October 14, 2020 • 40 mins
Why we don't cheer for the Titans like the Ravens
Tom Brady is still getting pushback for yelling at teammates
Le'Veon Bell being cut is proof RBs age fast
There's a reason Aaron Rodgers and Matt LaFleur are getting along
Guest: Nick Wright
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of the world champion Los Angeles Lakers feel it in
the air. Here to Winners Town. It was a Hollywood season,
so they deserve it. And now Lebron's gloating. We'll get
to that in a basic gloating stage, and I'm here
for it. Let me start with this first. Impressions matter,
and we all know that I'm I'm not telling you
something you don't know. First impressions matter. The first time
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you meet somebody, you see somebody. First impressions matter. So
what is the difference between Baltimore the Ravens. We all
love him, we all everybody loves the Ravens. Everybody's in
on the Ravens, me included. What's the difference between them
and the Tennessee Titans, who we all kind of roll
our eyes and dismiss. They both have a good head coach,
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they both live and die with a running game. The
pass rush for both is man So it must be
the quarterback that is the big difference. It's Lamar is
amazing in Tannehills can of a stiff Okay, so first
impressions matter. Our first impression of Ryan Tannehill is is
Miami is so so five hundred eight and eight. Our
first impression is Lamar is Oh my god, he's fast
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with than Michael Vick. Oh my god. Let's go to
the last seventeen games, because Ryan Tannehill has only been
a starter for seventeen games in Tennessee with this staff.
Oh oh my, it's the same quarterback. Tannehill actually has
a little better TD to interception ratio. More passing yards,
higher completion percentage, better passior. Oh. By the way, in
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that s Lamar can run though, that's funny because in
that stretch, Lamar has seven rushing touchdowns, Tannehill six. And
by the way, they played in a playoff game in
Baltimore when they actually had crowds in the NFL, and
Ryan Tannehill won and outplayed him. Now, I'm not in
any way saying Ryan Tannehill is Lamar Jackson, but first
impressions kind of matter, right, And our impression of Tennessee
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for years has been nine and seven, nine and seven,
nine and seven, and then you combine that with Ryan
Tannehill first impression and it's like he's kind of an
eight and eight guy. No, no, no, with this team
and this coach and Derrick Henry and this support system
and that offensive coordinators really good. No, Ryan Tannehills, he's
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the top twelve quarterback in the league, as is Lamar Jackson.
Ryan Tannehill is not some pocket stiff who can't run.
He had forty two rushing yards last night on four
rushes in a touchdown. And Lamar Jackson, similarly, is not
just some guy that runs around and can't pass. But
if you look at the numbers last night against Sean McDermott,
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one of the best defensive minds in the NFL, one
hundred and thirty passer rating twenty one to twenty eight,
three touchdowns, no picks, and he was mobile. Tennessee has
been so nine and seven and so boring for so long,
the Marcus Mariota years. We've just come to expect they're
a little better than average. And Ryan Tannil in Miami
was is kind of average. Now we need to reboot this.
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Because we all love Baltimore, me included, and we all
dismissed Tennessee, and we all love Lamar, and we all
dismiss Ryan Tannil. I'm talking about me. Maybe we need
to reboot this. Maybe they're the same running games, quarterbacks
that can move and throw. Very good coordinators, I mean
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Baltimore's offensive coordinator, Greg Roman is a legendary coordinator who
took Colin Kaepernick to Lamar. He's got this system down
pat very hard to defend. Who's the best young offensive
coordinator in football? A lot of people think it's the
guy with the Titans. So you know, sometimes you just
have to get away from what you believed first impressions
are very very powerful. And I watched Tennessee last night,
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and I'm like, what's the difference between them and the Ravens.
I don't I don't know if there is. I don't
know if Tannehill with this staff and this coach and
Derrick Henry in this environment and this offensive coordinator, I
don't see a massive gap. Now. I think Lamar is
a little more explosive, but I saw him playing a
playoff game, and I watched Tennail last night. In seventeen games,
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he's thirteen and four and I've seen him go up
against good quarterbacks. All I know is we have to
rethink what we think about Tennessee because Buffalo's good and
Tennessee last night did not have eight starters and two
assistant coaches and they housed them. Buffalo is not going
to lose that badly all year. They're not going to
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lose to the Patriots like that. They're not going to
lose next Monday Night to the Chiefs like that. Buffalo
will not lose like that the rest of the year.
Tennessee's for real. We dismiss them. We love Baltimore. I'd
argue it's the same team, one's just cooler. When don't
we just talk about more? All right? So I used
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to live right near Boston, and I used to live
in Tampa, so I have a sense of kind of
the sensibility of Boston in Connecticut, very principled, prep schools,
very academic, very rigid, very political. And I lived in
Tampa for a couple of years. Tampa's loose and ebor
city and fun and cocktail's early pote had the most
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strip clubs per capita in America when I was there.
Whatevers the alsize lightning. But my concern when Tom Brady
went from Boston to Tampa, joy as my witness, was
not about changing wide receivers. It was not about changing addresses,
it was not about changing coordinators, It was not about
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it was about the sensibility. It was changing cultures. Tom's
a winner, Tampa's losers. And we're already now three and
a half, four days removed from Tom yelling at teammates
twenty what what game was that? It was Thursday? So
we're six days removed from Tom yelling at teammates and
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it is still a story. They're still asking them about it.
They're still talking about it. This was my concern. It's
easy to change uniforms, it's easy to change receivers, it's
easy to change offenses. Try turning losers the winners. New
England is about academics and detailed and button up this year.
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The New England Patriots. And by the way, they have
a brand new quarterback. They should have a bunch of
offensive penalties. You know how many they have? Three Tampa's
got Tom Brady. Jameis Winston is no longer there. They
will clean it up. You know how many offensive penalties
they have? Eight times that twenty five. The standards are different,
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and Tom's trying to change the standards. Bruce Arians was
asked yesterday again about Brady yelling just be yourself. I
don't I don't have any problem with it, or at
least I don't have to go back there and cust
him out. They've already got an air fall by the
time I get over there. So, um, Tom's gonna be Tom.
I'm not gonna ask him to be somebody different. He
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does a good job of patting him on the back too.
He might explode, but he's gonna go down there and
pat him on the back and get him gone. Yeah,
they don't remember that. They remember this video and it's
amazing how much Flack Brady's taken over this folks. Michael
Jordan went to the Wizards, he was easily their best player.
Do you remember how much pushback Michael Jordan, the greatest
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basketball player of all time, got when he went to
the Wizards. He's mean, Michael doesn't understand young players. He
played with all sorts of young players in Chicago. Michael
was a winner. The Wizards were losers and he could
never overcome it. When Lebron first got to the Lakers,
they were a mess and it was all these young
kids and Lebron came in and had standards. This this
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Lebron is out. He doesn't under They got rid of
all the young players. By the way, when Michael Jordan
first got to the Chicago Bulls, remember the funny line
during the ten part documentary they called him the Cocaine
the Traveling Cocaine Circus. It was a bunch of drug
guys and a bunch of guys that wanted point, and
Michael Jordan walked in. He's like, no, no no, no, no, no,
this I come from North Carolina. I got aspirational dreams here.
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Michael's a winner. His business as a winner, his basketball
as a winner. He was a winner in college, he
was a winner in high school. He was a winner
in the pro. Michael's a winner. But Michael couldn't change
all those Bull players. He couldn't. They just wanted to
score points. He couldn't change him. He had to get
rid of them. And he couldn't change the Wizards and Lebron.
He couldn't change those early Laker players. He had to
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get him shipped off. This has always been my number
one concern with Brady. He'll figure out the wide receiver.
He and Mike Evans already get along great. He'll figure
out Leonard Fournette. He'll figure out the rookie right tackle.
He'll figure out Todd Bulls in the defense. He'll figure
out Bruce Arians. They have twenty five penalties New England.
They have a new quarterback too. Cam Newton had about
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four practices three offensive penalties. Changing cultures is hard. Being
content is the enemy of great. Tampa's always been sort
of pretty good. Draft nine and seven, eight and eight
penalty at nine penalty game, nine penalty games in New England,
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they just don't happen. If they do, they don't happen
the next week. So I think it's really interesting that
we are now almost a week remove from a ten
second Tom Brady outburst and we're still talking about it.
He had those all the time in New England. He
had two of those last year in New England. Win.
Talk about it because the standards in New England, Boston,
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that region are higher for football and sports. The Celtics win,
the Bruins can win, the Red Sox have won, the
Patriots have won. The culture of Boston is you shout,
you scream, you get it right, you yell, you win,
and it's understood. It's part of the fabric of success.
In Tampa, Tom barks in an offensive lineman. Six days later, Tommy,
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what did you make it? Tommy? Oone it people. That's
how you get crap done in sports. Games are live.
You can't sit down and put your arm around. Let's
have a long talk with dad. Gotta be on the
field in nine seconds. Bark, let's go get it done,
get it corrected. I want that. This is what happens
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in sports. Michael yelled, the late Kobe yelled. Charles Barkley yelled,
Steve Kerrs yelled, Kevin Durant's yelled, Brady's yelled, Peyton Manning's yelled,
and Patrick Mahomes has it yelled yet? Buddy will in
the next ten years? Good stuff? Still whining about that
in Tampa? This is poor Tommy yelled at somebody coming
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up next outside of Lebron. Where you land in sports matters?
I think mostly we know that, but we know it
more this morning than we did yesterday because of one
NFL player and what's happened to his career. We'll talk
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So Lavian Bell got released by the New York Jets.
Let me let me unpack this a little bit, because
I actually think he's been a good soldier there. I mean,
he'd you know, sometimes he goes to Twitter instead of
talking to the boss. But it's twenty twenty. He didn't grumble.
He is Actually he's not quite elite anymore. Next Generation
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stats tell you since the start of last season, despite
the fact the old line's bad, they take that into consideration.
He's kind of in the Todd Gurley class, the Peyton Barber,
the Davante Freeman. He's not what he used to be.
Running backs get old. It's not just the Jets offensive line.
He doesn't have the burst. They were saying in camp.
He looked slow. The kid they drafted out of Florida
behind him looks to have more of a more movement.
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I like Lavian Bell. I've had him on the show.
I think he's a but I think the cautionary tale
of this, and the Jets put him out to thirty
one teams. They just wanted a seventh round pick. They
couldn't get it, so it's there's no market for him.
Very interesting. Antonio Brown, in my opinion, was the best
receiver in the NFL when he left Pittsburgh. His career's
over Lavian Bell was a top three running back. He
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can catch it, he can run it, and his career
is kind of like flattened out right or it's over.
I don't think it's over, but there's not much left.
Take Lebron James out of it. Every athlete in America
take Lebron out of it. And you could say that
occasionally for international soccer, for Ronaldo or a Messi, but
for ninety nine point nine percent of talk show hosts
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and athletes, where your land matters and who you're surrounded
by really matters. Tucker Carlson's the hottest thing on cable TV.
He was invisible for ten years. I'm not sure it's
like witness protection. Where'd he go? He ended up on
Fox News. Oh, there are a lot of a lot
of people watch that. Now he's a star. He was
invisible for ten years. Bill O'Reilly was invisible for ten
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years before he got there and had a twenty year
cable run. The reality is outside of Lebron James and
maybe Oprah. Okay, where are your land matters? Who you're
supported by. If you're a skilled person in the NFL,
do not leave Andy Reid take less money. If you
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got Sean Payton. If you have Russell Wilson, if you
have Aaron Rodgers, take a little less money. You don't
leave Russell Wilson as a wide receiver. You shouldn't leave
Aaron Rodgers. Don't leave Andy Reid, do not leave Sean Payton,
and don't leave the Pittsburgh Steelers. Antonio Brown had the
perfect team. It was a top three offensive line and
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the best deep ball thrower in the league, Primahomes. It
was perfect. I got my issues with big band, too
much drama. Woe is me? Ben can still sail a
ball over a running back in the flat like like
nobody else can, but on deep balls, and how do
you throw deep balls if you have time to throw?
Pittsburgh had a great offensive line. Lavian Bell had that
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style where he sat and he waited for the offensive.
It didn't look like any other running back. It was
just perfect for both of them. It was perfect. This
is a franchise in Pittsburgh that has had three coaches
since nineteen sixty nine. The Jets have had three in
six years. Take Lebron, James Out. Lavian should have never left.
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A b shouldn't never left. And I'm not saying it
was all their fault. Big Ben's a handful, but man
ab to me still should be the best receiver in
the league, and Lavian Bell should still be a top
five running back. They were magic. But you go to
the Jets, you go to the wrong team, and it's
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amazing how often it can all unravel. Thirty one teams
Jets called reportedly all of them not a taker for
a seventh round pick for Lavan Bell. It's a because
I love watching him play. Joy Taylor with the news, No, no,
this is the herd Line news. Aaron Rodgers has been
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putting up MVP level numbers this season. I don't think
he's been. Has he been? He hasn't down a pick yet,
and he hasn't been sacked yet. He has no no interceptions,
thirteen touchdowns, no interceptions. He has led the Packers to
in four no start and Matt Lathloor couldn't say enough
good things about his quarterbacks performance so far. He said,
I think our quarterbacks playing at a really high level
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right now, well like he has his entire career, but
he's playing really really lights out and we're just playing
good team football. Anytime there's what steams a controversial decision
or whatever you have to answer the questions. But I
like where we're at right now, and there's a lot
in front of us. I know that, well, they play
a really good defense this week, and one of I
think the best coordinator in the NFL is either I'll
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just say Todd Bowles is in my top two. So
this is gonna this is not gonna be um. So
they've faced the Packers this year of it's the thirtieth
ranked defense, the twenty ninth to twenty eighth, and the
twenty sixth. Now they faced the second. No, this will
be a good test for the real test for green back.
And I was very wrong about the backers and it
It wasn't really that I doubted Aaron Rodgers, because I'd
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never doubted Aaron, right. I didn't think they're gonna be bad.
We just didn't here We're gonna be thirteenth, right, No,
And I thought that the controversy in the off season,
with the with the draft and with Jordan Love and
all the questions that surrounded it, it just kind of
felt like this might be one of the relationship between
Matt with Lauren. Aaron Rodgers might not be as as
cheeky as we right, you know it has it appeared
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to be. You know, they're saying everything's cool, but why
is this happening? And yeah, they're playing amazing football right now.
I'm this weekend of games is great. Oh, this is
the so Cleveland Pittsburgh's great. Aaron against Tom is great.
Buffalo Kansas City Money Night is great. There's another game
I like. I actually think the Ram San Francisco is
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gonna end up being really really good because they were
so bad last week. The Niners were. They were so
bad that line's only like a field goal. Now watch
San Francisco and teams get embarrassed. Good teams, watch them
come back and give the Rams fits this week. I
still think Russell Wilson is leading the MVP conversation just
because he's overcoming more easily. But Aaron Rodgers is definitely
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second right there with him. Yes, So the Eagles have
the challenge of taking on Lamar Jackson and the Ravens
this weekends, and defensive coordinator Jim Schwartz talks about how
difficult it is to plan for a player is dynamic
as Lamar Jackson. Lamar Jackson's probably the most dangerous player
in the league. Because there are times you can do
everything on everything right on defense and can't catch him.
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I think that you got to have a resilient attitude
when you play him, and you know that a playmaker
like him is going to make some plays. You just
have to limit his big plays. Yeah, that's all go away.
Just don't let the previous play beat you again, because
he's gonna pop, he's gonna he's gonna burn you at
some point. This is uh, this, this looks like a
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loss for the for the Eagles. I love this is
one of my Blazing five picks, is it? I like
Baltimore a lot this week. Okay, um, yeah, they lost
those Steelers last weekend obviously thirty eight to twenty nine.
But this is that. That's rough to go off of
a loss like that to the Steelers into Baltimore. This
is this. So the Eagles schedule coming up, obviously, they
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have the they just lost those Steelers. They have the Ravens,
so they have the Giants week after that, so that
could be a nice little get back game and then
the Cowboys that's in division game. I think Philadelphia is
better than Dallas. I think They're defense will decide that game.
So I take Philadelphia over Dallas. Yeah, I do not.
I disagree with you there, but then they play the
Giants again, and then they have the Browns, so then
it gets a lot more difficult after that. It's just
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it's it's been a really rough start for the Eagles
and to to come off of that Steelers loss into
the Baltimore Ravens, who uh played great this last week,
and obviously you have Lamar Jackson and I don't know,
I'm think it could be a rough stretch for the Eagles.
It's weird. Um, I like a lot of great quarterbacks.
I'm starting to see a trend in the NFL. And
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I've always loved underdogs, but man, there's a lot of
favorites this week. There's a lot of Mahomes only has
to give up a field goal here, and Lamar only
has to give up a touchdown here. I don't know,
I've just I've always been to take the underdog guy,
but I yeah, you usually do. But you start looking
around the league and I need despite what happened to
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Kansas City last week, and I'm like, but there were
a lot of blowouts last weekend. Yeah, I'll tell you something.
We gotta we gotta revisit what Tennessee is because Tennessee
in Baltimore. To me, I don't see a big gap.
They were they were really impressive, but I think eight players,
two coaches blew out a really good Buffalo team. Finally,
Ben Roethlisberger was critical of his performance Sunday against the Eagles,
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saying he needs to connect more on deep throws, and
Mike Tomlin believes ben self criticism this year sims from
getting a new perspective on the game after sitting out
for most of nineteen. Sometimes, you know when you have
the perspective that he's that he has now you know
he watched the bulk of football excuse me in twenty nineteen.
And oftentimes when you get removed from your role and
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you get to watch it from a different perspective, it
might change or your perspective one on performance and evaluation
they're off. I think that Ben has been really impressive
since he's back. I don't know what to expect from him.
He's a completion percentage has gone up. He looks good,
he looks like he's a little thinner, he's in better shape.
He's sixty thousand and sixteen yards, ten touchdowns and one
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interceptions with a lot of young receivers. He's been good.
By the way, let me help all you TV executives
that hang around all day and get big contracts and
just eat donuts. When Mike Tomlin retires, hire him on television.
He is, he is gonna be so good on He
talks in eight second sound bites. He's literally like if
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you in football, when you're an analyst, if you have
to talk in eight second sound bites. He is literally
been doing it for twenty years. He also just he
has the ability to go from such a like intense,
like like quietly intense person. Yeah, so when he gets
in front of the microphone, it's like this explosion of energy.
It's such a John Gruden was that John talked in
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eight second sound bites. That's why John Gruden was a
television star. Mike Tomlin is group. Yeah, he's he's a
defensive version of John Gruden. Joy with the news. Well
that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the herd, liebe,
maybe Nick Wright won't be as obnoxious this week. Kansas
City got rolled at home. I'll get to that in
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a second. What's it like to lose football? Game. So
I don't know. For twenty years, I didn't know what
it was like in Kansas, in New England, living up
there in Connecticut. Let's not waste any time. Brought to
you by Mercedes Band is the best or nothing? You
know what I'm gonna I'm not gonna start with the Chiefs.
There's no reason to rub it in that. Friends don't
rub it into friends. I'm not even gonna go to Mahomes. Initially,
that didn't look very good to me. There's a lot
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of trouble in Kansas City, obviously, but let's start with this. Yeah,
he's certainly not Tannehill, who I heard her this morning. Yeah,
he's Mames. No Tannehill. You're right, go ahead, start wherever
you want, Okay. Lebron's legacy, most people are saying, yeah,
he was always just like Tiger Woods. Winning another golf tournament.
It doesn't change his legacy or anything. You know, great,
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it's great, whatever I can. I kind of that's kind
of my feeling on it. But you do think this
is sort of adding a little bit more than a
little bit to Lebron's legacy? Of course, yeah, I mean,
of course it is the guy's thirty five years old.
He's in year seventeen, and he just shot fifty nine
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percent in the finals. He was better on twos in
this finals column than any player is earning these playoffs
than any player has been in any playoffs ever. So
think about that. Lebron was better on twos than any
Shaquille O'Neal playoff run. What all he was doing was
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dunking on Rick Smiths's head. So yeah, that I know.
We live in this world where Michael Jordan can gain
more legacy points for having a documentary come out than
Lebron can for winning a damn title. But I'm not
gonna abide by it, and I'm not gonna let folks
act like, oh, this was a fat accompany. No one
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doubted this team when some of my favorite media personalities
picked against them in every single round. Well, let me
let me say this. I mean, now Lebron's out there now, Nick,
he is gloating, he's on social media's yet lighting his cigar.
I mean, isn't he above all that nonsense? No? And
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I thought, listen, everyone's focused on the and I want
my damn respect. And that was a great line. But
the next part I thought was the most telling, because
what he immediately followed that up with is I've never
missed a playoff game, and that is an unprecedented and
unbelievable streak. Two hundred and sixty out of two hundred
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and sixty times his teams have had to tip off
for the NBA playoffs, he has been out there. Not
one twisted ankle, not one dislocated shoulder, not one time
was he not there for his team. And listen, I
think it's relatively easy early in your career when you
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are trying to prove yourself, to make sure the very
least all always be there. Not to compare myself to Lebron,
but I will, just for a moment. I've never missed
a day of television ever. I've never taken an extra
vacation day the show wasn't off. I've never called in
sick because I'm still trying to make my way. But
at one point, you know, God willing, if I'm ever
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Colin Cowherd, maybe I also will be vacationing. And you
talk quite often, who knows Lebron don't do that. Lebron's
just there. He's like, I don't know who else is
gonna be there. But I am going to be there
every single day for my team, and I'm going to
for the last decade, every year except for the year
he tour is growing, play in the final game of
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this season and leave no question whatsoever who the best
player still is. You know, it's interesting. I was saying
this bubble was a lot of things, but it made
me honestly, because I do think leadership is part of
being great, just like quarterback play. Nobody ever talks about
pre snap reads, and I think that's why Russell Wilson
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is like the best football player in the earth. Mahomes
just has more quarterback talent, but Russell's literally audibling out
of trouble, like he doesn't even taking completions. Now, Lebron's
leadership in the bubble was unbelievable, And after this bubble,
I never thought I would say this. I think the
gap is greater between Lebron and this second player as
he goes into his eighteenth year. I mean, and I
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never thought I would say that. I honestly think. Second,
you do well think about this. So you said the
seconds Kauai. Yes, I think Kad would be the obvious choice,
but we got it. What Katie, are we getting It's
thirty two years old coming off and Achilles, it's tough.
The gap between Lebron, let's call it Kauai and Kauai
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is greater than the gap between Kauai and the ex
best player, the eighth best player, Luca don Chich the
tenth best player, Jimmy Butler. Like, think about that, the
gap between This is where you use Tiger Woods as
an example earlier, at one point in his career, the
gap between Tiger and the second best golfer in the
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world was bigger than the gap between the second best golfer,
Phil Nicholson and the twentieth best golfer who is Savy Biasaros,
whoever the hell it was, that only seems to be growing,
and Sevy by stars probably was a little old by them.
But you know what I'm talking about, Like that only
seems to be growing, and so I do think I listen,
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Lebron does not need six rings to be better than
Michael Jordan. But for those folks that say he will,
you've got to recognize if right now, Colin, if I
sets over under on rings at five, not five and
a half at five, which side are you taking What
do you think is more likely he never wins another
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one or he wins two. I think it's clearly the over.
I think if you set it at five, you have
to take the over, because how are you going to
bet on him not winning another ring? How are you
going to bet on him win a worst case scenario
for him? When he's forty, he can be a rich
man's Jason Kidd. Yeah, and Jason Kid's the forty second
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greatest player of all time, and he can just be
that forever if he wants to. So. I just I
don't know how his game is going to age entirely,
but I know, barring horrifying injury, it's going to age beautifully.
Two football topics. Number One. I always had one concern
about Brady intense, detailed, buttoned up environment. He's an overachiever, aspirational,
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and he goes to cocktails at five thirty Lucy Goosey
Ebor City Fund, Tampa. I didn't care about changing offenses
or coaches. What I cared about is the culture in
Tampa has a very low standard and having lived in Connecticut,
the culture is academic. It's prep schools. The Bruins win
the Red Sox when the Patriots, when the Celtics win,
winning is absolutely there is no content. You win or
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you're a loser. And in Tampa you get to the
playoffs to celebrate, and he yells at a teammate. Six
days later, people are still asking about yelling at a teammate.
I think it is something I do. Think this is
going to be a struggle. Am I wrong? No? So
I agree with almost everything you said. I don't know
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if I'd lumped the Celtics in with the winners. They
have won title since the Berlin Wall, so they're kind
of holding the rest of it again. But otherwise you're
spot on. So a couple of things here, Colin. One
is this, while there was so much covetching last year
about Brady didn't have weapons, he doesn't have enough help.
He doesn't have enough help. What he did have was
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the most detail oriented, well coached, precise team in the league.
And now he's in tamp He's got all these weapons,
and they're constantly in third and fifteen because the center
headbuts a guy and it's not sitting so well with him.
Where I will defend Tom's teammates to a degree, is
this if you are going to demand perfection or execution
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or attention to detail from your teammates, it's probably best
that the only two categories that you lead the lead
egan not be pick sixes and forgetting what down it is.
So maybe Brady should be a little better if he's
gonna dog cuss his teammates. But in general, I agree
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with you. That felt kind of cheap but funny. Nonetheless, Okay, finally,
I don't know, you know, we're getting kind of used
to mahomes falling into these crevass and these deficits. In
this past weekend, he couldn't get out of it. And listen,
we know Kansas City, he's got a lot of brain
power and offense and a lot of talent, and their
coordinators always get head jobs. But uh, you know, a
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little sloppy to me. You know, one of these holes
you couldn't dig out? Aren't you a little trouble? Little
trouble by what you saw Ginser Raiders. Oh I'm I'm
bummed because they had a real shot at twenty one
straight wins, which is the oh three oh four Patriots
record once they got through Baltimore, that was on the table. Instead,
it snaps at thirteen, so they're gonna have to start
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a new streak, the streak of never losing a football
game by more than one score since Momes is over
those still alive, So I'll take some solace in that. Also,
I thought it was very cute how many people were
very once they lost the Raiders. Oh, and you know
who's next, Josh Allen and the Buffalo Bills. Watch out
the next face of the AFC. And then they get
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their teeth kicked down their throat on national television by
Ryan dan Hill and company. And we're just gonna, you know,
ignore that for a bit. So I listen. The Chiefs
offensive line has to be better. Yes, the defense against
the Raiders played the worst game it's played in two years,
so they need to snap back into it. But I
think right now it is a little in vogue to say, oh,
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you know, the Chiefs and then maybe a little overrated.
I would just venture to the audience or anyone thinking
that if I say I will take the Chiefs, you
can have any other team in the AFC. Is that
a deal you're taking? My guess is no, because they
did dominate the Ravens. I know Colin you're all of
a sudden you really like Tennessee prior to last night.
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They're three wins and come by and combine six points.
So I'm going to hold out evaluation on them, and
we'll get to see them play the Buffalo Bills here
this coming Monday night. So all still take the Chiefs
versus the AFC field and we'll see all it works out.
But unfortunately, they're not gonna go sixteen and oh I
thought they could. They're not gonna win twenty one straight.
I think fourteen and two is probably gonna have to
be enough. I mean, look at him. The Chiefs are
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winning Super Bowls and the Lakers are winning. Look at him.
This is when my teams win. I'm humble. I'm just
very gracious. I mean, he has a good six months
and look at him here. Oh yeah, yeah, you have
been You have been handling Russell Wilson's MVP year with
nothing but Grayson A Plum. There's been no I told
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you souls at any point. Check the tapes, America unbelievable
to get out of here. All right, Nick, Right, first
things first, I'll see your letter. All right, Well, it's
nice when your team's win. If it's got Lakers winning
lebron when he won a lot of You want a
lot of bets, personal bets, Yeah, I mean Nick, Nick
has a right to close right now. He was right
about the Clippers. He's right about the Lakers, right about
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the Chiefs. Last year, it's been he's had a good
six month run. Yes, nobody can eight month run. He's
at you know, coming up next, they're getting along great.
But there's a reason Aaron and his coach are getting
along great. We'll talk about that coming up. Be sure
to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays and noon
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the winter, only available at Walmart Michelin Endurance XT silicone
wiper blades. They last two times longer than other blades.
So Hollywood couples almost always end in divorce, but they
start really well. And what happens is two good looking
people because you know, what basically actors do is they
pretend for a living. And so they go on a
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movie set and she she's pretending to do something and
he's pretending to be a pirate, and they do they're pretending,
and then they sometimes hook up and have kids who
are baby pretenders and everything's going great, and the careers
are great as they pretend to be stuff they're really not.
They don't really write it, they just perform it, and
they're good looking and their cheekbones are perfect. And then
one of their careers kind of woo and then they
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don't like each other because you know actors. Then instead
of pretending, they really get a divorce because all of
a sudden there's bumps in the road and it's not
perfect and the careers aren't on fire, and everybody doesn't
love them and they're not adored. And what am I
talking about? Smart, good looking, successful people. It's very easy
to get along because people just stand at your feet
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and tell you how great you are. And Aaron Rodgers
and Matt Lafloor I saw a story this morning. They're
just getting along great. Well, yeah, because they don't throw
interceptions or get sacked. Because they played four crappy defenses.
They've faced the thirtieth, twenty ninth, twenty eight, and twenty
six ranked defense and they've scored thirty plus points in
all their games. Of course, Aaron Rodgers and Matt Lafloor
are getting along. If they weren't getting along, you'd have
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real problems. You know when Mike McCarthy and Aaron Rodgers
never argued, you know when you never heard about their
relationship going south the year they won the Super Bowl,
in the year after they went fifteen and one. In fact,
I've got an actual quote here Aaron Rodgers, and I'm
not picking on him, but he loved Mike McCarthy early.
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In fact, his quote was, you know, starting in two
and ten, that was a year they won the Super Bowl.
Thursday afternoon, Mike and I would spend anywhere from ninety
minutes to four hours talk about football in life, lessons, thoughts,
and dreams. I really appreciated that time with Mike getting
to know him on a personal level. Mike McCarthy and
Aaron would spend four hours together just talking about life
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and stuff because in two years, nobody could really beat them.
I want to see Green Bay an aeron this weekend
faced Tampa. That's a real defense. Aaron's gonna get sacked,
he may get intercepted. They're gonna have a lot of
three and outs, and it's going to be ugly. And
that's when a Hollywood couple can last after the bomb
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his career Dovetail. She's the shining star in Hollywood and
he's now a character actor and can't get jobs. Then
let's see how you get along. Let's see how these
guys get along when they're not thirteen and three last year,
and let's see how they get along, because they didn't
get along very well when Jordan Love got drafted. They
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got along at the end of last year. And they're
getting along now and they're playing bad defenses and everything
is great. And I am not saying they can't win
the game, and I am not saying they won't get along.
But everybody gets along when your career's on fire and
you're winning. And by the way, Brady tolerated all that
Belichick stuff. Did you ever notice this until until all
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of a sudden they couldn't find a wide receiver for
Tom started getting frustrated, and they lost to Tennessee, and
his pick sixes went up because his receivers couldn't separate,
and Edelman's drops the last two years in New England skyrocketed,
and Grunt got old, and suddenly, eighteen years of listening
to his mentor Bill Bellett, check he want to listen
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to it quite as much. It wasn't as much fun.
If Patrick Mahomes looks pretty good and Lamar looks pretty good.
In the AFC is better and Buffalo is better, and
Edelman's dropping it and Gronk is old, and we can't
draft a wide receiver, and suddenly Bill didn't get along
and Tom didn't get along, like they didn't want to
hear Bill barking him all the time and call him
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out in front of the team, and everybody gets along.
When it's great and you're winning. In the NFL, it's
like Jay Glazer always says, there's two different leagues. It's
the year driving to the stadium knowing you're gonna win today,
or there's driving to the stadium know you need to
play perfect to win today. One's a great life in
the other one is miserable. It's a miserable existence in
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the NFL driving to the stadium knowing And by the way,
when Aaron's and I'm not blaming Aaron, but when he
and McCarthy started losing games and Aaron couldn't win as
many playoff games, then all of a sudden, those four
hour conversations where they talked about life and dreams turned
into about sixty minutes of uncomfortable all right, yeah, okay,
yeah you bet m I gotta go. Come on twenty ten.
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He's talking about, Oh he's spen four hours together. Yeah,
you went fifteen and one. Then the previous year. You
want a super Bowl? Everybody. Everybody gets along in the
NFL that way, everybody Tom and Belichick when they're Randy
Moss and Welker and super Bowls and scorn and Tom's numbers,
and they got along great. Not so great when Hedelman
started dropping it and Gronk started getting old. Okay, Joel
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Klatt and Will Blackman next hour. Will is a Wyan
Somalia is very smart, and Joel Klatt he just thinks
he knows a lot about college football. Somebody at this
company has got to set Joel Clatt straight. This is
my job, this is what I've been born to do.
Take Joel Clatt and kind of shame. This is the
way you should think. He doesn't want to listen. But
I hope you enjoyed that. Plus, Emmanuel Sanders is stopping
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by today. Danny Green, who on games one night in
LA they couldn't stand him. The next night they him.
Danny Greene missed a little three pointer, no good. Next night,
wearing a crown. We love him. That's coming up.
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It is great to have you in. Joey Taylor is
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of the world champion Los Angeles Lakers feel it in
the air. Here to Winners Town. It was a Hollywood season,
so they deserve it. And now Lebron's gloating. We'll get
to that in a basic gloating stage, and I'm here
for it. Let me start with this first. Impressions matter,
and we all know that I'm I'm not telling you
something you don't know. First impressions matter. The first time
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you meet somebody, you see somebody. First impressions matter. So
what is the difference between Baltimore the Ravens. We all
love him, we all everybody loves the Ravens. Everybody's in
on the Ravens, me included. What's the difference between them
and the Tennessee Titans, who we all kind of roll
our eyes and dismiss. They both have a good head coach,
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they both live and die with a running game. The
pass rush for both is man So it must be
the quarterback that is the big difference. It's Lamar is
amazing in Tannehills can of a stiff Okay, so first
impressions matter. Our first impression of Ryan Tannehill is is
Miami is so so five hundred eight and eight. Our
first impression is Lamar is Oh my god, he's fast
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with than Michael Vick. Oh my god. Let's go to
the last seventeen games, because Ryan Tannehill has only been
a starter for seventeen games in Tennessee with this staff.
Oh oh my, it's the same quarterback. Tannehill actually has
a little better TD to interception ratio. More passing yards,
higher completion percentage, better passior. Oh. By the way, in
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that s Lamar can run though, that's funny because in
that stretch, Lamar has seven rushing touchdowns, Tannehill six. And
by the way, they played in a playoff game in
Baltimore when they actually had crowds in the NFL, and
Ryan Tannehill won and outplayed him. Now, I'm not in
any way saying Ryan Tannehill is Lamar Jackson, but first
impressions kind of matter, right, And our impression of Tennessee
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for years has been nine and seven, nine and seven,
nine and seven, and then you combine that with Ryan
Tannehill first impression and it's like he's kind of an
eight and eight guy. No, no, no, with this team
and this coach and Derrick Henry and this support system
and that offensive coordinators really good. No, Ryan Tannehills, he's
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the top twelve quarterback in the league, as is Lamar Jackson.
Ryan Tannehill is not some pocket stiff who can't run.
He had forty two rushing yards last night on four
rushes in a touchdown. And Lamar Jackson, similarly, is not
just some guy that runs around and can't pass. But
if you look at the numbers last night against Sean McDermott,
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one of the best defensive minds in the NFL, one
hundred and thirty passer rating twenty one to twenty eight,
three touchdowns, no picks, and he was mobile. Tennessee has
been so nine and seven and so boring for so long,
the Marcus Mariota years. We've just come to expect they're
a little better than average. And Ryan Tannil in Miami
was is kind of average. Now we need to reboot this.
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Because we all love Baltimore, me included, and we all
dismissed Tennessee, and we all love Lamar, and we all
dismiss Ryan Tannil. I'm talking about me. Maybe we need
to reboot this. Maybe they're the same running games, quarterbacks
that can move and throw. Very good coordinators, I mean
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Baltimore's offensive coordinator, Greg Roman is a legendary coordinator who
took Colin Kaepernick to Lamar. He's got this system down
pat very hard to defend. Who's the best young offensive
coordinator in football? A lot of people think it's the
guy with the Titans. So you know, sometimes you just
have to get away from what you believed first impressions
are very very powerful. And I watched Tennessee last night,
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and I'm like, what's the difference between them and the Ravens.
I don't I don't know if there is. I don't
know if Tannehill with this staff and this coach and
Derrick Henry in this environment and this offensive coordinator, I
don't see a massive gap. Now. I think Lamar is
a little more explosive, but I saw him playing a
playoff game, and I watched Tennail last night. In seventeen games,
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he's thirteen and four and I've seen him go up
against good quarterbacks. All I know is we have to
rethink what we think about Tennessee because Buffalo's good and
Tennessee last night did not have eight starters and two
assistant coaches and they housed them. Buffalo is not going
to lose that badly all year. They're not going to
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lose to the Patriots like that. They're not going to
lose next Monday Night to the Chiefs like that. Buffalo
will not lose like that the rest of the year.
Tennessee's for real. We dismiss them. We love Baltimore. I'd
argue it's the same team, one's just cooler. When don't
we just talk about more? All right? So I used
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to live right near Boston, and I used to live
in Tampa, so I have a sense of kind of
the sensibility of Boston in Connecticut, very principled, prep schools,
very academic, very rigid, very political. And I lived in
Tampa for a couple of years. Tampa's loose and ebor
city and fun and cocktail's early pote had the most
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strip clubs per capita in America when I was there.
Whatevers the alsize lightning. But my concern when Tom Brady
went from Boston to Tampa, joy as my witness, was
not about changing wide receivers. It was not about changing addresses,
it was not about changing coordinators, It was not about
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it was about the sensibility. It was changing cultures. Tom's
a winner, Tampa's losers. And we're already now three and
a half, four days removed from Tom yelling at teammates
twenty what what game was that? It was Thursday? So
we're six days removed from Tom yelling at teammates and
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it is still a story. They're still asking them about it.
They're still talking about it. This was my concern. It's
easy to change uniforms, it's easy to change receivers, it's
easy to change offenses. Try turning losers the winners. New
England is about academics and detailed and button up this year.
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The New England Patriots. And by the way, they have
a brand new quarterback. They should have a bunch of
offensive penalties. You know how many they have? Three Tampa's
got Tom Brady. Jameis Winston is no longer there. They
will clean it up. You know how many offensive penalties
they have? Eight times that twenty five. The standards are different,
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and Tom's trying to change the standards. Bruce Arians was
asked yesterday again about Brady yelling just be yourself. I
don't I don't have any problem with it, or at
least I don't have to go back there and cust
him out. They've already got an air fall by the
time I get over there. So, um, Tom's gonna be Tom.
I'm not gonna ask him to be somebody different. He
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does a good job of patting him on the back too.
He might explode, but he's gonna go down there and
pat him on the back and get him gone. Yeah,
they don't remember that. They remember this video and it's
amazing how much Flack Brady's taken over this folks. Michael
Jordan went to the Wizards, he was easily their best player.
Do you remember how much pushback Michael Jordan, the greatest
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basketball player of all time, got when he went to
the Wizards. He's mean, Michael doesn't understand young players. He
played with all sorts of young players in Chicago. Michael
was a winner. The Wizards were losers and he could
never overcome it. When Lebron first got to the Lakers,
they were a mess and it was all these young
kids and Lebron came in and had standards. This this
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Lebron is out. He doesn't under They got rid of
all the young players. By the way, when Michael Jordan
first got to the Chicago Bulls, remember the funny line
during the ten part documentary they called him the Cocaine
the Traveling Cocaine Circus. It was a bunch of drug
guys and a bunch of guys that wanted point, and
Michael Jordan walked in. He's like, no, no no, no, no, no,
this I come from North Carolina. I got aspirational dreams here.
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Michael's a winner. His business as a winner, his basketball
as a winner. He was a winner in college, he
was a winner in high school. He was a winner
in the pro. Michael's a winner. But Michael couldn't change
all those Bull players. He couldn't. They just wanted to
score points. He couldn't change him. He had to get
rid of them. And he couldn't change the Wizards and Lebron.
He couldn't change those early Laker players. He had to
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get him shipped off. This has always been my number
one concern with Brady. He'll figure out the wide receiver.
He and Mike Evans already get along great. He'll figure
out Leonard Fournette. He'll figure out the rookie right tackle.
He'll figure out Todd Bulls in the defense. He'll figure
out Bruce Arians. They have twenty five penalties New England.
They have a new quarterback too. Cam Newton had about
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four practices three offensive penalties. Changing cultures is hard. Being
content is the enemy of great. Tampa's always been sort
of pretty good. Draft nine and seven, eight and eight
penalty at nine penalty game, nine penalty games in New England,
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they just don't happen. If they do, they don't happen
the next week. So I think it's really interesting that
we are now almost a week remove from a ten
second Tom Brady outburst and we're still talking about it.
He had those all the time in New England. He
had two of those last year in New England. Win.
Talk about it because the standards in New England, Boston,
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that region are higher for football and sports. The Celtics win,
the Bruins can win, the Red Sox have won, the
Patriots have won. The culture of Boston is you shout,
you scream, you get it right, you yell, you win,
and it's understood. It's part of the fabric of success.
In Tampa, Tom barks in an offensive lineman. Six days later, Tommy,
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what did you make it? Tommy? Oone it people. That's
how you get crap done in sports. Games are live.
You can't sit down and put your arm around. Let's
have a long talk with dad. Gotta be on the
field in nine seconds. Bark, let's go get it done,
get it corrected. I want that. This is what happens
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in sports. Michael yelled, the late Kobe yelled. Charles Barkley yelled,
Steve Kerrs yelled, Kevin Durant's yelled, Brady's yelled, Peyton Manning's yelled,
and Patrick Mahomes has it yelled yet? Buddy will in
the next ten years? Good stuff? Still whining about that
in Tampa? This is poor Tommy yelled at somebody coming
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up next outside of Lebron. Where you land in sports matters?
I think mostly we know that, but we know it
more this morning than we did yesterday because of one
NFL player and what's happened to his career. We'll talk
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after they wrote that they thought I nailed it, guyko Ween.
So Lavian Bell got released by the New York Jets.
Let me let me unpack this a little bit, because
I actually think he's been a good soldier there. I mean,
he'd you know, sometimes he goes to Twitter instead of
talking to the boss. But it's twenty twenty. He didn't grumble.
He is Actually he's not quite elite anymore. Next Generation
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stats tell you since the start of last season, despite
the fact the old line's bad, they take that into consideration.
He's kind of in the Todd Gurley class, the Peyton Barber,
the Davante Freeman. He's not what he used to be.
Running backs get old. It's not just the Jets offensive line.
He doesn't have the burst. They were saying in camp.
He looked slow. The kid they drafted out of Florida
behind him looks to have more of a more movement.
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I like Lavian Bell. I've had him on the show.
I think he's a but I think the cautionary tale
of this, and the Jets put him out to thirty
one teams. They just wanted a seventh round pick. They
couldn't get it, so it's there's no market for him.
Very interesting. Antonio Brown, in my opinion, was the best
receiver in the NFL when he left Pittsburgh. His career's
over Lavian Bell was a top three running back. He
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can catch it, he can run it, and his career
is kind of like flattened out right or it's over.
I don't think it's over, but there's not much left.
Take Lebron James out of it. Every athlete in America
take Lebron out of it. And you could say that
occasionally for international soccer, for Ronaldo or a Messi, but
for ninety nine point nine percent of talk show hosts
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and athletes, where your land matters and who you're surrounded
by really matters. Tucker Carlson's the hottest thing on cable TV.
He was invisible for ten years. I'm not sure it's
like witness protection. Where'd he go? He ended up on
Fox News. Oh, there are a lot of a lot
of people watch that. Now he's a star. He was
invisible for ten years. Bill O'Reilly was invisible for ten
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years before he got there and had a twenty year
cable run. The reality is outside of Lebron James and
maybe Oprah. Okay, where are your land matters? Who you're
supported by. If you're a skilled person in the NFL,
do not leave Andy Reid take less money. If you
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got Sean Payton. If you have Russell Wilson, if you
have Aaron Rodgers, take a little less money. You don't
leave Russell Wilson as a wide receiver. You shouldn't leave
Aaron Rodgers. Don't leave Andy Reid, do not leave Sean Payton,
and don't leave the Pittsburgh Steelers. Antonio Brown had the
perfect team. It was a top three offensive line and
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the best deep ball thrower in the league, Primahomes. It
was perfect. I got my issues with big band, too
much drama. Woe is me? Ben can still sail a
ball over a running back in the flat like like
nobody else can, but on deep balls, and how do
you throw deep balls if you have time to throw?
Pittsburgh had a great offensive line. Lavian Bell had that
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style where he sat and he waited for the offensive.
It didn't look like any other running back. It was
just perfect for both of them. It was perfect. This
is a franchise in Pittsburgh that has had three coaches
since nineteen sixty nine. The Jets have had three in
six years. Take Lebron, James Out. Lavian should have never left.
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A b shouldn't never left. And I'm not saying it
was all their fault. Big Ben's a handful, but man
ab to me still should be the best receiver in
the league, and Lavian Bell should still be a top
five running back. They were magic. But you go to
the Jets, you go to the wrong team, and it's
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amazing how often it can all unravel. Thirty one teams
Jets called reportedly all of them not a taker for
a seventh round pick for Lavan Bell. It's a because
I love watching him play. Joy Taylor with the news, No, no,
this is the herd Line news. Aaron Rodgers has been
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putting up MVP level numbers this season. I don't think
he's been. Has he been? He hasn't down a pick yet,
and he hasn't been sacked yet. He has no no interceptions,
thirteen touchdowns, no interceptions. He has led the Packers to
in four no start and Matt Lathloor couldn't say enough
good things about his quarterbacks performance so far. He said,
I think our quarterbacks playing at a really high level
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right now, well like he has his entire career, but
he's playing really really lights out and we're just playing
good team football. Anytime there's what steams a controversial decision
or whatever you have to answer the questions. But I
like where we're at right now, and there's a lot
in front of us. I know that, well, they play
a really good defense this week, and one of I
think the best coordinator in the NFL is either I'll
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just say Todd Bowles is in my top two. So
this is gonna this is not gonna be um. So
they've faced the Packers this year of it's the thirtieth
ranked defense, the twenty ninth to twenty eighth, and the
twenty sixth. Now they faced the second. No, this will
be a good test for the real test for green back.
And I was very wrong about the backers and it
It wasn't really that I doubted Aaron Rodgers, because I'd
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never doubted Aaron, right. I didn't think they're gonna be bad.
We just didn't here We're gonna be thirteenth, right, No,
And I thought that the controversy in the off season,
with the with the draft and with Jordan Love and
all the questions that surrounded it, it just kind of
felt like this might be one of the relationship between
Matt with Lauren. Aaron Rodgers might not be as as
cheeky as we right, you know it has it appeared
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to be. You know, they're saying everything's cool, but why
is this happening? And yeah, they're playing amazing football right now.
I'm this weekend of games is great. Oh, this is
the so Cleveland Pittsburgh's great. Aaron against Tom is great.
Buffalo Kansas City Money Night is great. There's another game
I like. I actually think the Ram San Francisco is
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gonna end up being really really good because they were
so bad last week. The Niners were. They were so
bad that line's only like a field goal. Now watch
San Francisco and teams get embarrassed. Good teams, watch them
come back and give the Rams fits this week. I
still think Russell Wilson is leading the MVP conversation just
because he's overcoming more easily. But Aaron Rodgers is definitely
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second right there with him. Yes, So the Eagles have
the challenge of taking on Lamar Jackson and the Ravens
this weekends, and defensive coordinator Jim Schwartz talks about how
difficult it is to plan for a player is dynamic
as Lamar Jackson. Lamar Jackson's probably the most dangerous player
in the league. Because there are times you can do
everything on everything right on defense and can't catch him.
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I think that you got to have a resilient attitude
when you play him, and you know that a playmaker
like him is going to make some plays. You just
have to limit his big plays. Yeah, that's all go away.
Just don't let the previous play beat you again, because
he's gonna pop, he's gonna he's gonna burn you at
some point. This is uh, this, this looks like a
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loss for the for the Eagles. I love this is
one of my Blazing five picks, is it? I like
Baltimore a lot this week. Okay, um, yeah, they lost
those Steelers last weekend obviously thirty eight to twenty nine.
But this is that. That's rough to go off of
a loss like that to the Steelers into Baltimore. This
is this. So the Eagles schedule coming up, obviously, they
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have the they just lost those Steelers. They have the Ravens,
so they have the Giants week after that, so that
could be a nice little get back game and then
the Cowboys that's in division game. I think Philadelphia is
better than Dallas. I think They're defense will decide that game.
So I take Philadelphia over Dallas. Yeah, I do not.
I disagree with you there, but then they play the
Giants again, and then they have the Browns, so then
it gets a lot more difficult after that. It's just
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it's it's been a really rough start for the Eagles
and to to come off of that Steelers loss into
the Baltimore Ravens, who uh played great this last week,
and obviously you have Lamar Jackson and I don't know,
I'm think it could be a rough stretch for the Eagles.
It's weird. Um, I like a lot of great quarterbacks.
I'm starting to see a trend in the NFL. And
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I've always loved underdogs, but man, there's a lot of
favorites this week. There's a lot of Mahomes only has
to give up a field goal here, and Lamar only
has to give up a touchdown here. I don't know,
I've just I've always been to take the underdog guy,
but I yeah, you usually do. But you start looking
around the league and I need despite what happened to
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Kansas City last week, and I'm like, but there were
a lot of blowouts last weekend. Yeah, I'll tell you something.
We gotta we gotta revisit what Tennessee is because Tennessee
in Baltimore. To me, I don't see a big gap.
They were they were really impressive, but I think eight players,
two coaches blew out a really good Buffalo team. Finally,
Ben Roethlisberger was critical of his performance Sunday against the Eagles,
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saying he needs to connect more on deep throws, and
Mike Tomlin believes ben self criticism this year sims from
getting a new perspective on the game after sitting out
for most of nineteen. Sometimes, you know when you have
the perspective that he's that he has now you know
he watched the bulk of football excuse me in twenty nineteen.
And oftentimes when you get removed from your role and
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you get to watch it from a different perspective, it
might change or your perspective one on performance and evaluation
they're off. I think that Ben has been really impressive
since he's back. I don't know what to expect from him.
He's a completion percentage has gone up. He looks good,
he looks like he's a little thinner, he's in better shape.
He's sixty thousand and sixteen yards, ten touchdowns and one
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interceptions with a lot of young receivers. He's been good.
By the way, let me help all you TV executives
that hang around all day and get big contracts and
just eat donuts. When Mike Tomlin retires, hire him on television.
He is, he is gonna be so good on He
talks in eight second sound bites. He's literally like if
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you in football, when you're an analyst, if you have
to talk in eight second sound bites. He is literally
been doing it for twenty years. He also just he
has the ability to go from such a like intense,
like like quietly intense person. Yeah, so when he gets
in front of the microphone, it's like this explosion of energy.
It's such a John Gruden was that John talked in
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eight second sound bites. That's why John Gruden was a
television star. Mike Tomlin is group. Yeah, he's he's a
defensive version of John Gruden. Joy with the news. Well
that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the herd, liebe,
maybe Nick Wright won't be as obnoxious this week. Kansas
City got rolled at home. I'll get to that in
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a second. What's it like to lose football? Game. So
I don't know. For twenty years, I didn't know what
it was like in Kansas, in New England, living up
there in Connecticut. Let's not waste any time. Brought to
you by Mercedes Band is the best or nothing? You
know what I'm gonna I'm not gonna start with the Chiefs.
There's no reason to rub it in that. Friends don't
rub it into friends. I'm not even gonna go to Mahomes. Initially,
that didn't look very good to me. There's a lot
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of trouble in Kansas City, obviously, but let's start with this. Yeah,
he's certainly not Tannehill, who I heard her this morning. Yeah,
he's Mames. No Tannehill. You're right, go ahead, start wherever
you want, Okay. Lebron's legacy, most people are saying, yeah,
he was always just like Tiger Woods. Winning another golf tournament.
It doesn't change his legacy or anything. You know, great,
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it's great, whatever I can. I kind of that's kind
of my feeling on it. But you do think this
is sort of adding a little bit more than a
little bit to Lebron's legacy? Of course, yeah, I mean,
of course it is the guy's thirty five years old.
He's in year seventeen, and he just shot fifty nine
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percent in the finals. He was better on twos in
this finals column than any player is earning these playoffs
than any player has been in any playoffs ever. So
think about that. Lebron was better on twos than any
Shaquille O'Neal playoff run. What all he was doing was
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dunking on Rick Smiths's head. So yeah, that I know.
We live in this world where Michael Jordan can gain
more legacy points for having a documentary come out than
Lebron can for winning a damn title. But I'm not
gonna abide by it, and I'm not gonna let folks
act like, oh, this was a fat accompany. No one
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doubted this team when some of my favorite media personalities
picked against them in every single round. Well, let me
let me say this. I mean, now Lebron's out there now, Nick,
he is gloating, he's on social media's yet lighting his cigar.
I mean, isn't he above all that nonsense? No? And
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I thought, listen, everyone's focused on the and I want
my damn respect. And that was a great line. But
the next part I thought was the most telling, because
what he immediately followed that up with is I've never
missed a playoff game, and that is an unprecedented and
unbelievable streak. Two hundred and sixty out of two hundred
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and sixty times his teams have had to tip off
for the NBA playoffs, he has been out there. Not
one twisted ankle, not one dislocated shoulder, not one time
was he not there for his team. And listen, I
think it's relatively easy early in your career when you
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are trying to prove yourself, to make sure the very
least all always be there. Not to compare myself to Lebron,
but I will, just for a moment. I've never missed
a day of television ever. I've never taken an extra
vacation day the show wasn't off. I've never called in
sick because I'm still trying to make my way. But
at one point, you know, God willing, if I'm ever
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Colin Cowherd, maybe I also will be vacationing. And you
talk quite often, who knows Lebron don't do that. Lebron's
just there. He's like, I don't know who else is
gonna be there. But I am going to be there
every single day for my team, and I'm going to
for the last decade, every year except for the year
he tour is growing, play in the final game of
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this season and leave no question whatsoever who the best
player still is. You know, it's interesting. I was saying
this bubble was a lot of things, but it made
me honestly, because I do think leadership is part of
being great, just like quarterback play. Nobody ever talks about
pre snap reads, and I think that's why Russell Wilson
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is like the best football player in the earth. Mahomes
just has more quarterback talent, but Russell's literally audibling out
of trouble, like he doesn't even taking completions. Now, Lebron's
leadership in the bubble was unbelievable, And after this bubble,
I never thought I would say this. I think the
gap is greater between Lebron and this second player as
he goes into his eighteenth year. I mean, and I
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never thought I would say that. I honestly think. Second,
you do well think about this. So you said the
seconds Kauai. Yes, I think Kad would be the obvious choice,
but we got it. What Katie, are we getting It's
thirty two years old coming off and Achilles, it's tough.
The gap between Lebron, let's call it Kauai and Kauai
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is greater than the gap between Kauai and the ex
best player, the eighth best player, Luca don Chich the
tenth best player, Jimmy Butler. Like, think about that, the
gap between This is where you use Tiger Woods as
an example earlier, at one point in his career, the
gap between Tiger and the second best golfer in the
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world was bigger than the gap between the second best golfer,
Phil Nicholson and the twentieth best golfer who is Savy Biasaros,
whoever the hell it was, that only seems to be growing,
and Sevy by stars probably was a little old by them.
But you know what I'm talking about, Like that only
seems to be growing, and so I do think I listen,
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Lebron does not need six rings to be better than
Michael Jordan. But for those folks that say he will,
you've got to recognize if right now, Colin, if I
sets over under on rings at five, not five and
a half at five, which side are you taking What
do you think is more likely he never wins another
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one or he wins two. I think it's clearly the over.
I think if you set it at five, you have
to take the over, because how are you going to
bet on him not winning another ring? How are you
going to bet on him win a worst case scenario
for him? When he's forty, he can be a rich
man's Jason Kidd. Yeah, and Jason Kid's the forty second
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greatest player of all time, and he can just be
that forever if he wants to. So. I just I
don't know how his game is going to age entirely,
but I know, barring horrifying injury, it's going to age beautifully.
Two football topics. Number One. I always had one concern
about Brady intense, detailed, buttoned up environment. He's an overachiever, aspirational,
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and he goes to cocktails at five thirty Lucy Goosey
Ebor City Fund, Tampa. I didn't care about changing offenses
or coaches. What I cared about is the culture in
Tampa has a very low standard and having lived in Connecticut,
the culture is academic. It's prep schools. The Bruins win
the Red Sox when the Patriots, when the Celtics win,
winning is absolutely there is no content. You win or
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you're a loser. And in Tampa you get to the
playoffs to celebrate, and he yells at a teammate. Six
days later, people are still asking about yelling at a teammate.
I think it is something I do. Think this is
going to be a struggle. Am I wrong? No? So
I agree with almost everything you said. I don't know
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if I'd lumped the Celtics in with the winners. They
have won title since the Berlin Wall, so they're kind
of holding the rest of it again. But otherwise you're
spot on. So a couple of things here, Colin. One
is this, while there was so much covetching last year
about Brady didn't have weapons, he doesn't have enough help.
He doesn't have enough help. What he did have was
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the most detail oriented, well coached, precise team in the league.
And now he's in tamp He's got all these weapons,
and they're constantly in third and fifteen because the center
headbuts a guy and it's not sitting so well with him.
Where I will defend Tom's teammates to a degree, is
this if you are going to demand perfection or execution
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or attention to detail from your teammates, it's probably best
that the only two categories that you lead the lead
egan not be pick sixes and forgetting what down it is.
So maybe Brady should be a little better if he's
gonna dog cuss his teammates. But in general, I agree
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with you. That felt kind of cheap but funny. Nonetheless, Okay, finally,
I don't know, you know, we're getting kind of used
to mahomes falling into these crevass and these deficits. In
this past weekend, he couldn't get out of it. And listen,
we know Kansas City, he's got a lot of brain
power and offense and a lot of talent, and their
coordinators always get head jobs. But uh, you know, a
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little sloppy to me. You know, one of these holes
you couldn't dig out? Aren't you a little trouble? Little
trouble by what you saw Ginser Raiders. Oh I'm I'm
bummed because they had a real shot at twenty one
straight wins, which is the oh three oh four Patriots
record once they got through Baltimore, that was on the table. Instead,
it snaps at thirteen, so they're gonna have to start
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a new streak, the streak of never losing a football
game by more than one score since Momes is over
those still alive, So I'll take some solace in that. Also,
I thought it was very cute how many people were
very once they lost the Raiders. Oh, and you know
who's next, Josh Allen and the Buffalo Bills. Watch out
the next face of the AFC. And then they get
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their teeth kicked down their throat on national television by
Ryan dan Hill and company. And we're just gonna, you know,
ignore that for a bit. So I listen. The Chiefs
offensive line has to be better. Yes, the defense against
the Raiders played the worst game it's played in two years,
so they need to snap back into it. But I
think right now it is a little in vogue to say, oh,
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you know, the Chiefs and then maybe a little overrated.
I would just venture to the audience or anyone thinking
that if I say I will take the Chiefs, you
can have any other team in the AFC. Is that
a deal you're taking? My guess is no, because they
did dominate the Ravens. I know Colin you're all of
a sudden you really like Tennessee prior to last night.
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They're three wins and come by and combine six points.
So I'm going to hold out evaluation on them, and
we'll get to see them play the Buffalo Bills here
this coming Monday night. So all still take the Chiefs
versus the AFC field and we'll see all it works out.
But unfortunately, they're not gonna go sixteen and oh I
thought they could. They're not gonna win twenty one straight.
I think fourteen and two is probably gonna have to
be enough. I mean, look at him. The Chiefs are
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winning Super Bowls and the Lakers are winning. Look at him.
This is when my teams win. I'm humble. I'm just
very gracious. I mean, he has a good six months
and look at him here. Oh yeah, yeah, you have
been You have been handling Russell Wilson's MVP year with
nothing but Grayson A Plum. There's been no I told
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you souls at any point. Check the tapes, America unbelievable
to get out of here. All right, Nick, Right, first
things first, I'll see your letter. All right, Well, it's
nice when your team's win. If it's got Lakers winning
lebron when he won a lot of You want a
lot of bets, personal bets, Yeah, I mean Nick, Nick
has a right to close right now. He was right
about the Clippers. He's right about the Lakers, right about
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the Chiefs. Last year, it's been he's had a good
six month run. Yes, nobody can eight month run. He's
at you know, coming up next, they're getting along great.
But there's a reason Aaron and his coach are getting
along great. We'll talk about that coming up. Be sure
to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays and noon
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So Hollywood couples almost always end in divorce, but they
start really well. And what happens is two good looking
people because you know, what basically actors do is they
pretend for a living. And so they go on a
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movie set and she she's pretending to do something and
he's pretending to be a pirate, and they do they're pretending,
and then they sometimes hook up and have kids who
are baby pretenders and everything's going great, and the careers
are great as they pretend to be stuff they're really not.
They don't really write it, they just perform it, and
they're good looking and their cheekbones are perfect. And then
one of their careers kind of woo and then they
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don't like each other because you know actors. Then instead
of pretending, they really get a divorce because all of
a sudden there's bumps in the road and it's not
perfect and the careers aren't on fire, and everybody doesn't
love them and they're not adored. And what am I
talking about? Smart, good looking, successful people. It's very easy
to get along because people just stand at your feet
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and tell you how great you are. And Aaron Rodgers
and Matt Lafloor I saw a story this morning. They're
just getting along great. Well, yeah, because they don't throw
interceptions or get sacked. Because they played four crappy defenses.
They've faced the thirtieth, twenty ninth, twenty eight, and twenty
six ranked defense and they've scored thirty plus points in
all their games. Of course, Aaron Rodgers and Matt Lafloor
are getting along. If they weren't getting along, you'd have
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real problems. You know when Mike McCarthy and Aaron Rodgers
never argued, you know when you never heard about their
relationship going south the year they won the Super Bowl,
in the year after they went fifteen and one. In fact,
I've got an actual quote here Aaron Rodgers, and I'm
not picking on him, but he loved Mike McCarthy early.
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In fact, his quote was, you know, starting in two
and ten, that was a year they won the Super Bowl.
Thursday afternoon, Mike and I would spend anywhere from ninety
minutes to four hours talk about football in life, lessons, thoughts,
and dreams. I really appreciated that time with Mike getting
to know him on a personal level. Mike McCarthy and
Aaron would spend four hours together just talking about life
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and stuff because in two years, nobody could really beat them.
I want to see Green Bay an aeron this weekend
faced Tampa. That's a real defense. Aaron's gonna get sacked,
he may get intercepted. They're gonna have a lot of
three and outs, and it's going to be ugly. And
that's when a Hollywood couple can last after the bomb
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his career Dovetail. She's the shining star in Hollywood and
he's now a character actor and can't get jobs. Then
let's see how you get along. Let's see how these
guys get along when they're not thirteen and three last year,
and let's see how they get along, because they didn't
get along very well when Jordan Love got drafted. They
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got along at the end of last year. And they're
getting along now and they're playing bad defenses and everything
is great. And I am not saying they can't win
the game, and I am not saying they won't get along.
But everybody gets along when your career's on fire and
you're winning. And by the way, Brady tolerated all that
Belichick stuff. Did you ever notice this until until all
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of a sudden they couldn't find a wide receiver for
Tom started getting frustrated, and they lost to Tennessee, and
his pick sixes went up because his receivers couldn't separate,
and Edelman's drops the last two years in New England skyrocketed,
and Grunt got old, and suddenly, eighteen years of listening
to his mentor Bill Bellett, check he want to listen
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to it quite as much. It wasn't as much fun.
If Patrick Mahomes looks pretty good and Lamar looks pretty good.
In the AFC is better and Buffalo is better, and
Edelman's dropping it and Gronk is old, and we can't
draft a wide receiver, and suddenly Bill didn't get along
and Tom didn't get along, like they didn't want to
hear Bill barking him all the time and call him
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out in front of the team, and everybody gets along.
When it's great and you're winning. In the NFL, it's
like Jay Glazer always says, there's two different leagues. It's
the year driving to the stadium knowing you're gonna win today,
or there's driving to the stadium know you need to
play perfect to win today. One's a great life in
the other one is miserable. It's a miserable existence in
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the NFL driving to the stadium knowing And by the way,
when Aaron's and I'm not blaming Aaron, but when he
and McCarthy started losing games and Aaron couldn't win as
many playoff games, then all of a sudden, those four
hour conversations where they talked about life and dreams turned
into about sixty minutes of uncomfortable all right, yeah, okay,
yeah you bet m I gotta go. Come on twenty ten.
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He's talking about, Oh he's spen four hours together. Yeah,
you went fifteen and one. Then the previous year. You
want a super Bowl? Everybody. Everybody gets along in the
NFL that way, everybody Tom and Belichick when they're Randy
Moss and Welker and super Bowls and scorn and Tom's numbers,
and they got along great. Not so great when Hedelman
started dropping it and Gronk started getting old. Okay, Joel
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Klatt and Will Blackman next hour. Will is a Wyan
Somalia is very smart, and Joel Klatt he just thinks
he knows a lot about college football. Somebody at this
company has got to set Joel Clatt straight. This is
my job, this is what I've been born to do.
Take Joel Clatt and kind of shame. This is the
way you should think. He doesn't want to listen. But
I hope you enjoyed that. Plus, Emmanuel Sanders is stopping
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by today. Danny Green, who on games one night in
LA they couldn't stand him. The next night they him.
Danny Greene missed a little three pointer, no good. Next night,
wearing a crown. We love him. That's coming up.
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