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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Here we go our two Thursday, Greg Cosel for five minutes.
You love football, bet football, fantasy football, just gonna get smarter,
Greg Cosel, five minutes. That's The Herd Live in La.
Wherever you may be, and however you may be listening
and watching a lot of choices. Thanks for making that
part of your day. Gotta tell you, the story's now percolating.
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I'm reading one from Jeff Howe of The Athletic on Belichick.
People of Tom Landry got fired, Andy Reid, he got fired.
Belichick's not untouchable.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
You know, we haven't talked about the game we like
best this week in the NFL. You know, usually there's
one that pops up, Colin.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Like the Patriot game or is it time zero points
three points a week before that? Yeah, So the Athletic
Jeff how quote. There's a school of thought that suggests
Bill Belichick has earned the right to go out on
his own accord. The architect of the greatest dynasty in
NFL history can coach as long as he wants. Robert
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Kraft doesn't subscribe to it. By the way, you're foolish
in any industry unless you own the business to think
that way. Everybody's replaceable. And Belichick, by the way, his brand.
Belichick now would cut Belichick, that's his brand. Moving off
players a year early. Belichick wouldn't respect a coach who
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didn't cut Belichick. The coach in a pivoting to offense NFL,
he looks like a dinosaur. He cut a Sante Samuel
on Christmas. Stop with the heartstring stuff. You can move
off Bill Belichick, Landry and Andy Reid fired the longer
he coaches. There is an inescapable, unescapable, whatever it is. Truth.
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He doesn't win big without Brady. Look at the graphic
we put on television. He is a below five hundred
coach without Tommy, and he's great in winning rings with him.
This is not a Joe Gibbs story. Three super Bowls,
three different quarterbacks, the mastermind of all of them. He
can't pivot off Tom, which makes us realize Tom was
much better than we thought. But I'm not giving you
a legacy pass when your brand always was cut a
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guy early, not late. Craft isn't demanding they be great
and win Super Bowls? How about just demanding they're not
boring and dull and bad and offensively And this is
something if you paid attention, that's been bad for seven
or eight years. It's why Tommy left. Tommy wouldn't have
left if he had Mike Evans, Chris Godwin in tow
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no way. He was screaming at his receivers get open, six, seven, eight,
nine drafts in a row. Outside of Gronk couldn't hit
on offensive skill people. Even Julian Edelman, Owa's respectful sees
the issue.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
I think he needs a little help on the offensive side.
I mean, you look at the defensive picks. They all
look pretty good. I mean, they always come out and
they perform. And I hate talking about coach like this,
but we have whift on a lot of offensive skill
position players, you know, starting from I don't want to
call guys out, but there are three four receivers when
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I was playing that we got in top rounds. Now
you're looking and I say, what's going on here? That's
not a first round, right, I don't. I don't know
what's going on. So I think he would be the
first to tell you that he's he's had some screw ups.
He's a very accountable guy. And I do think that
you know that they probably do need a little more
help on the offensive side of scouting.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Mike Vrabel's name has been suggested. He'd probably be a
front runner, very respected in Foxborough. But I suggested this
at the beginning of last year. Give me get out
of here with this legacy stuff. Like Belichick's entire brand
was cut early, not late. He cut a Sante Samuel
on Christmas. A Sante said on the phone before Belichick
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hung up, Merry Christmas, Bill, you can fire Bill in February.
It's not the end of the world, Landry, Andy Reid,
it happens, Greg Cosel forty four years not saying it will,
but it wouldn't be outrageous. So young people in any
industry improve, They even say. I learned this years ago
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with my kids. Young kids learn languages better than older people.
I don't know exactly the brain chemistry. But sometimes we
have to say listen, I see something. It's not working,
but I see something, whereas Mac Jones, I don't see anything.
I do look at Justin fields and go there's a
lot of wow there can he just sustain it week
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after week. So he's played better, Greg, What does the
tape say on Justin?
Speaker 5 (05:17):
Very interesting because the last two weeks he's clearly played
better against Denver obviously not a very good defense, but
the Bears did a lot of play action movement with fields,
play action boot got him out of the pocket. They
ran half field reeds. He was very very effective this
past game, which was last Thursday night against the Commanders.
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It was more playing in the pocket and he did
some really good things reading it out. The touchdown that
we just saw to Moore was a really good example
of that, the one for about twenty yards into the
left void, the left corner void. So he played better
from the pocket. You're seeing incremental improvement. It'll be very
interesting this week, Colin. You never know what you're going
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to get from Brian Florida's defense. It could be high pressure,
it could be high frequency blitz. He could back off
and play zone. You just don't know, so this is
going to be a really intriguing challenge for Justin Fields.
But there's been incremental improvement in his game. And as
you've discussed many times and we've discussed, he's a talented kid.
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Oh yeah, he can throw the ball really well. He's
six three, two thirty. He's got great movement. You just
have to put him in a situation where he can
see it well and see it better, and then he
can play with a little more confidence.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
I know most people did not get up early on
the West Coast and watch the Bills Jags. I did
and I listen. I've always been a Trevor Lawrence guy.
I love the kid. I thought he made a couple
of throws. You could hear the whip from here in London.
Speaker 5 (06:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
I think he's playing last couple of weeks. I think
he's playing really well. I think he had, like Lamar Jackson,
his receivers dropping football's what's the tape say on Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 5 (06:58):
Yeah. I thought in this particular game exceptionally well and
I think he's played well all season. He has not
been the problem with the Jaguars when the offense has sputtered.
I thought he was outstanding on third down in this game.
He was nine to ten for one hundred and fourteen yards,
and the key thing was eight of those nine completions
resulted in first downs. And believe it or not, I
think his arm's gotten a little juici or over the
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last year. And I don't know if that's a comfort level.
I don't know if that's a fundamental technique thing, because
they had to work on that last year when Doug
Peterson and staff got there. They had to work on
his lower body technique in his drop has set in
his delivery and maybe that's the reason. But the ball
came out with some really good juice this week. He
sees things well, he knows where to go with the football.
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To be honest with you, I thought in that game,
I thought it was high level quarterback play on both sides.
I watched the tape and I thought it was high
level quarterback play on both sides. But there's no question
Trevor Lawrence is playing really, really well.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Yeah. By the way, Josh Allen, any time you have
a London game or a Thursday night game, team never
looks right. And I thought Buffalo was just out of
the sync I thought Josh was fine. The tapes said
he was fine.
Speaker 5 (08:08):
Yep, tape said he was really good. You know, of course,
they want to try to run the football, and they
could not do it in this game. Their run game
really lacked any kind of synchronicity to it at all.
It didn't look right. But Alan played really really well.
Look when he threw that deep ball, the interception by
Williams that was on Diggs. Diggs has to make that
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catch or at least make sure it's not an interception.
That was a well thrown ball, touch underthrown, but Diggs
has to go up and make that catch. He's your
number one receiver. But he made some really really good throws,
played extremely well. Like I said, it was high level
quarterback play. That's what the tape said. It was high
level quarterback play on both sides. But there's no question
Trevor Lawrence is becoming a fun watch.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
So I said this earlier this week. I think the
Lions are the Cowboys is that we look at the coach,
Mike McCarthy and Dan Campbell and there's still some people
pushing back and we think Dak is great, but Jared
Goff's actually a better distributor of the football. We talk
about that question. We talk about the great Cowboy o line.
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Detroit's is probably better. We talk about a great pass rusher,
Micah Hutchinson's also unbelievable. And I look at them and
I think they're basically the Cowboys with better players and
less hype. I I mean, I Jared Goff and Ben Johnson.
We know coordinators matter. This is about it as well
as they ever played, isn't it.
Speaker 5 (09:31):
Oh, And you're one hundred percent right. I mean, you
watch the Lions tape and it is really a joy
to watch because the way they run their route concepts,
the spacing of their route concepts, the way they present
clear defined reads and throws. For Jared Goff, you and
I have discussed Scoff many times. You know, he's from
the Bay Area, as you know, he's a pretty thrower
of the football. You know, he's a much better thrower
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than Dak Prescott to begin with, just in terms of
pure throwing of the football. And then you see the
way that offense is structured and s and design, and
it's really a thing of beauty at times. The Cowboys
their offense, you know, again on tape it's a little
bit of a struggle. We've talked about Dak at this
point in his career, he's a ball distributor and an executor.
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He needs to do that better than he's doing it now.
But that offense is not as well schemed as the
Lions offense. It doesn't present him with the kinds of
reads and throws that the Lions present.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
GoF By the way Cooper Cup comes back it, there
are times I think they almost depend on Cooper Cup
too much. I wouldn't be surprised they just let Van
Jefferson go. I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't make
an offer for a Jerry Judy or one of the
Vikings guys. If the Vikings are moving off. You know,
this season, I watch Cup and I'm like, as good
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as Puka Nakua is. There are times that looks like
Stafford's paying attention to nobody else on the entire team.
What does the film say on that?
Speaker 5 (10:53):
Yeah, Well, Nikup is not as good a receiver as Cup.
Obviously he did extremely well, but Cup's special in terms
of his raw running ability, his understanding of pace and tempo,
his understanding of how at the top of his route
stem to stick his foot in the ground and get
a corner to react a certain way. He did that
beautifully against Darius Slay, I believe on his thirty nine
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yarder where he beats Slay, it was just a beautiful
route at the top of his route stem, and you
can move him all throughout the formation. He's not just
a slot. Yeah, it's always hard to know where the
quarterback colin. I mean, we can sort of make that
speculative judgment that a quarterback relies on a receiver too much.
But Cup is just so good and he just seems
to be open. He just seems to be available. He
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makes himself available. It'll be interesting to see going forward
because their run game has been a little up and down,
ye know, and they need a run game. They quite honestly,
they need a run game. And they're O line is
just not good enough to sustain a pass game if
you're going to need Stafford to drop back forty times.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
So, you know, it's interesting. Lamar Jackson came into this
league and he was so dynamic as a runner that
he's never been kind of given the respect he deserves
as a thrower. And I think he's gotten better and
better at it. He's gotten stronger, a little more patient. Again,
we go back to young people grow. They may make
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big leaps from twenty one to twenty three, twenty three
to twenty six years old. I watch Lamar. When I
watch him, I'm like, I think he's I think he's
the best he's ever been. His receivers can't catch. What
does the film say.
Speaker 5 (12:29):
I gotta tell you, you know, people might look at
his numbers and the score of that game without watching
the tape. And I watch that tape in great detail
because I'm kind of fascinated with the new offense what
it's going to look like. But I thought the score
did not reflect it at all. But I thought Jackson
played at a high level within the structure of the
pass game. He played from the pocket with efficiency, He
read coverage, He delivered the ball to the right receiver
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at the right time with the right kind of throw.
You know, those were legit drops. Those were not drops
where you know we say, oh, the receiver got hand
on it, he should catch it. Those were legit drops
with perfect throws. They should have scored four or five
touchdowns in that game. Yep, he played really at a
high high level in that game, and I think they're
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ironing out some of their route concepts. You know, I
spoke about the spacing with the Lions. I think that's
what Todd Monkin's trying to do with his route concepts.
But they're not it's not quite working yet. Receivers are
a little too close together. It's just not quite in
sync the way it will be over time. But Lamar
played really, really well. He was fun to watch.
Speaker 6 (13:33):
You know.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
I said it this week that if you look at
what's working in the NFL, clever is McDaniels, Kyle McVeigh,
some of the stuff Baltimore is doing and will continue
to do, clever is working. I watched Dallas and I
it just it's kind of a boring watch it. I mean,
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I know that doesn't matter. But San Francisco, in Tree, Miami,
the Rams, Yeah, I can't ever predict what they're doing,
the motion, the multiple sets. Yeah. What does the film
say about dak in this offense?
Speaker 5 (14:12):
Yeah, well we just mentioned that they're a tough offense
to watch, and I'm just speaking from film, and I'm
going to be very curious to see what they do
going forward, because you know, in some ways, and again
this is just my interpretation of it. Some might disagree.
I feel like with the way the NFL is moving,
and you just hit upon it that they're a little
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old schools.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (14:34):
By the way, if you have unbelievably great talent, sure
can that work. Because you and I both know there's
ten ways to play. I mean, there's not one way
to play, but it has to reflect what you have
in terms of talent. So we'll see going forward. But
I love what you said about those other teams. I
mean you talk about the use of motion, and keep
in mind when you use motion and you have a
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ton of formation variation, that puts a burden on your
quarterback as well. We all think, oh, that makes it
hard for the defense, but don't forget the quarterback has
to call all those plays in the huddle. There's a
lot of moving parts, there's a lot of different formation looks.
The quarterback has to understand all that. And again, you're
anticipating a certain response from the defense when you do
certain things, but you might not get that exact response Colin,
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and the quarterback within a second has to understand that
there's a difference there. And that's why someone like purity,
and we can get into him in a moment if
you like. But someone like Purdy is so much better
than people think because as we all do, we just
look at physical traits and there's no question he doesn't
have a hose. But I got to tell you the
other thing too, as we get more into it, is
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his ball's coming out this year with a little more juice.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
Yeah. Yeah, Now, let's talk Brock Purtty because I said
yesterday he's good. I don't know if he's very good,
but some of these throws are big time throws.
Speaker 5 (15:51):
That's correct. And let's understand you know something else what
I just said. You know, coordinators, coaches, they work, as
you know, sixteen seventeen hours a day putting in their
game plans. That's what they do, and for the most part,
they expect it to be executed as scheme. Now, there's
always going to be a few plays in a game
defense wins and it doesn't work out the way you
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want it to work out. Sure, but it's the job
of the quarterback to execute what is being done, okay,
and what is being installed. Brock Purdy is executing what
is being installed on a play to play snap to
snap quarter to quarter, game after a game level, at
a really high level of execution. That's what you want
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your quarterback to do. We can sit and debate the traits,
but I tell you what, you know, what's a trait.
A trait is being able within this two to three
seconds that you have when you take the snap, drop
back and deliver the ball. To be able to do
that correctly snap after snap, that's a trait.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Well, you know, it's interesting if you go back to
last four years, Joe Burrow has struggled in September and
early October, even the Super Bowl year, and my takeaway
is he's had two major surgeries and a camf injury,
and for whatever reasons it could be a coincidence. He scuffed.
I watched that game against Arizona and I'm like, Okay,
here goes Joe Burrow. That's what I said. He made
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the throws, he went over the top, he stepped into it.
I don't know. I looked at Cincinnati and I'm like,
I put him in my top ten. At the end
of this week, I put him ten. I'm like, folks,
I've seen this story before. Bengals struggled, Burrows banged up.
I don't know. I watched last week and I thought
they're back to be in the Bengals. That was my take.
Speaker 5 (17:38):
Yeah, he looked like what we've come to expect Borrow
to look like, right is That's basically what we're saying.
And there was a very rhythmic feel to their pass game. Now.
I think coaching helped a lot too, because early in
the game they gave him basic greeds, simple stuff, which
is really smart, so we could hit that back, football
could come out. The offensive line would not be an issue,
so we didn't have to worry about that because the
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offensive line is still not great. And then he settled
in the game really well. And when he moves I
always feel like his movement Colin isn't really secondary action movement.
It's kind of calculated pocket movement. Yeah, you know, even
though he might leave the pocket a little bits, he's
not running around like a Josh Allen or even a Mahomes.
It just looks very composed and calculated. Wuld't you agree?
Speaker 1 (18:21):
Yeah? And I think Joe. I think Joe maybe it's
Dad's a coach. He is the rare athlete. He's better
on third down, he can get I always said he
had a little Tony romo. He can get at times
a little loose and fun and play. You know, he's
gonna experiment with Jamar Chase. But if it's third and
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four and he's got to throw a football, right, I'm
not sure the league has a more accurate deliver of
the football up that sideline. I think he's brilliant.
Speaker 5 (18:49):
Yeah, and he just knows where to go. That's the
other thing. He knows where to go. You know when
you mentioned a long touchdown to Chase, that's going to
be our play. Yeah, well that's our play this week.
So let's take a look because one of the things
about this play as we look at this long touchdown
is a lot of people need to understand that quarterbacks
don't have to read five guys on given plays. You know,
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it's what's called functional knowledge. You see him in the
gun here. Okay, Now what you're gonna get here is
you're going to get Irwin on the boundary side of
the field. Run a little curl or sit route. Okay,
You're gonna have Chase with a reduced split. That's important.
He's gonna run the deep over route. So now basically
Borrow's going to be reading. That's safety. Okay, that's what
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he needs to look at. Is that safety going to
sit on Erwin's curl route or is he going to
get depth and try to get underneath the over route
to deep over out by Chase. Well, you see him sit.
Look at his body language. You see him sit on
Erwin's curl route. Now there's the deep over out by
Chase that we spoke about. Now the positioning of Chase
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with the other safety. The other safety is not going
to be a factor on this throw. He's running a
deep over away from him. So all Burrow has to
do to see what that boundary safety does. And he
sat so now he knows he can go over the top.
So he basically had to read one defender on this
given play. And you could see from this angle that
that's where he's looking, and then he goes over the top.
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He actually threw it a little too far inside and
Chase made an unbelievable catch. He probably should have taken
him across the field a little more. But just to
give people the sense that quarterbacks don't have to read
five six different players, it's all functional knowledge based on
the route concept.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
Greg co Sell has always magic. We're all smarter. Great
seeing you.
Speaker 5 (20:34):
Again, great Cown, thanks really appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
You bet. Yeah. So Rock Purty's good, The film says,
Rock Purty's good again, very good. We have nothing, we
have no knowledge of, no Kyle Shanahan. It's a little
like Tua. I've seen with Tua. I've seen him with
Brian Flores, I've seen him being taken out and now
Mike McDaniel. So with Tua, I've got another co another system,
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and he's okay, and he's great with this. I suspect
Perty's a little like Tua with the system and the talent.
He's great. If he gave him a defensive coach, took
away some weapons, pretty be okay. Tua was very okay
pre McDaniel. So again, Herbert overcomes the thirty second ranked
old line. Herbert overcomes a bad coach. That's not what
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Tua and Perty are in my opinion.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
So we get Purty. I agree, but the Borough one
is a little more difficult.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Colin, do you think so?
Speaker 3 (21:30):
Do you think he's officially back? Because he touched a
terrible Arizona secondary, he got shredded by Daniel Jones and
basically everyone else they faced. Yes, okay, because that's gonna
impact your Seattle Cincinnati pick. That to me is becoming
a fascinating game because I respect a bunch of guys
I talked to about gambling, and they're divided on it.
Usually that's a walk away from me. But I feel
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like I'm pot committed to one side, and.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
It's the Seattle side, and I'm a Northwest kid heading
there this weekend. I should be all over Seattle. But
the Cincinnati I watch is the Cincinnati that has marched.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
But that's just one. That's just one game against a
terrible Arizona defense.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
American Idol eight seconds. That's a star.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
By the way, Cincinnati had a box six right in there,
so they did only have twenty seven. But you think
Seattle's gonna let Jamar Chase go off like that? They're
just gonna let him go. They're not gonna maybe double
team him or.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
Jamar Chase is better than any of their corners.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
You were in love with the cornerback last year, Woolen,
who is incredible?
Speaker 1 (22:24):
Yeah so am I I get what about Witherspoon, He's
very good?
Speaker 3 (22:27):
How many Blitzer for Jamal Adams twenty just make Joe
Burrow run Like that's all Adams.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Is coming off the cause like you're talking yourself into
the Seahawks.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
No, I just it's tough, man. This is what I
love about, bouncing stuff off you, and you know you
say stuff to kind of Oh, I gotta think about that. Yeah,
mostly it's me impacting you.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
But yeah, mostly that's how I see it too. I
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Speaker 2 (24:16):
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Speaker 3 (24:19):
I'm sure you saw this over the weekend. Stefan Diggs
during that loss of the Jags in London. Digs kind
of lost his mind on the sideline, busting up a tablet,
person off a storm heated. You know they look bad
in the loss. Josh Alleno defending his wide receiver.
Speaker 6 (24:37):
I know a lot of people are throwing different ideas
of what he was mad at on the sideline. You know,
he was mad at himself for running the wrong release
on a route. You know, so he's a he's a competitor.
He's a fiery competitor. I'm tired of hearing all this
nonsense from people because it's a lot of guys in
the league that have that same fire that don't get
talked about. But you know, he's he's a lot of
our juice on the sideline, you know, making sure that
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the offensive staying up and as energized as possible, and
we feed off of that.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
I like that. I like passion, you like digulars. Allen's response.
I like the response to I saw that and my
takeaway was a boy. And then Josh Allen's like, no,
he ran the wrong route, he was ticked off it himself.
I like people who get mad at themselves. I hold
themselves accountable.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
I like these things with dicks. He likes these.
Speaker 6 (25:21):
Well.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
He's very emotional, not a passion emotional. So you brought
a company before Passionate people is what You're trying to
find people that care about it as much.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
As you do. So you remember the summer when I
said the Buffalo Bill's window for the Super Bowl was closing. Well,
it's gonna float this. I don't hear anybody else talking
about it because we like to see around corners, and.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
Yes we do so.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
Uh, you know, Josh Allen got a big, big deal.
You know what his cap pit goes from this year
to next year? What eighteen million this year jumps to
forty seven million next year. In this she's similar to
the Patrick Mahome situation when they had to offload who
was that wide receiver they had to.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
Wak Tyreek Hill.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
Yeah, Josh Allen's caphit significant jump. You know who else
has a big jump. Stefan Diggs jumped from fourteen to
twenty seven. I will go out on a limb not
worried about being wrong. Diggs is not on the Buffalo Bills, nest.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
I don't think it's crazy. Yeah, I think once you
I mean, listen, the Chiefs had to get rid of
Tyreek Hill. I think they drafted Kincaid. It looks like
a great tight end. I think they'll draft I think
they drafted a receiver this year. I believe they'll draft
another one. Yeah, I don't think that's crazy and.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
By the way, sideline stuff is just noise.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
I would have no problem with Stefan Diggs. Keep your
eye on the Rams.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
Well, I don't know about the Rams. I'm thinking quarterbacks
on a rookie deal.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Right.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
That's where Diggs went from Minnesota to Buffalo when Allen
was on the cheap. So if you're CJ. Stroud, Hey, Stefan,
how you doing, buddy, come on down, Anthony Richardson, there's good.
I'm just telling you Diggs is going to have a market.
I mean, the guy's awesome, right, you like that? I
see that Grid? No, I do McIntire is on one today.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
No, I think you're I think this is And for
the record, this is sort of a he's kind of
a Randy Moss where he doesn't deteriorate the locker room.
You get three four years out of Stefan Diggs and
then over time maybe he can wear some people out
or whatever. But like he's gonna be, he's got probably
three to four great years left. I'd take him in
he wears another one New England. If you put Stefan
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Digs in New you're not paying the quarterback and they're
probably going to draft another quarterback. They have no playmakers.
So now all of a sudden, Juju Smith is a
two or of three. Devonte Parker's a three. Then the
receiving core feels different. Their problem is basically they have
a bunch of number three starters. If it's a baseball term,
Patriots have no ace and don't have a two. Stefan
(27:33):
Diggs solves a lot of problems for New England. And
you're not paying Mac and it looks like you're going
to restart the quarterback clock potentially next year. To me,
New England can't draft skill players. Go buy those, go
trade for him.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
It's not a bat.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
I worked with Randy Moss. Did it not?
Speaker 6 (27:50):
Well?
Speaker 3 (27:50):
They had had this guy, a quarterback named Brady who
was decent. Mac Jones is not in class. Next up
Kellen Moore in the Chargers. Uh, their offense is rolling
this year. He did spend five years in Dallas. Many
They face off Monday night in an awesome game. Cowboys
safety jay Ron Curse says he expects both sides to
put on a show.
Speaker 8 (28:12):
I'm pretty sure he wants to go out there and
put it on us. But you know, you've got to
put into perspective what we just went through on Sunday
and how we're temping that to get out there and
get our next game on the road, so we can
go out there and kind of just get this space
out of our mouths. So you know, I'm pretty sure
he's chumping at it and we're jumping at it as well.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
That's one of the best Monday night football games going
into what I remember, this game is gigantic for the Cowboys.
If Kellen Moore has them running in circles. Mike McCarthy
is officially on the hot seat. We said before the
season started, Mike was on a very precarious hot seat.
(28:52):
Oh that thing is an inferno if they not only
get beat, but it's a clever showcase. As Greg Cosel said,
the film tells Dallas's offense is old school, it's dull.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
Remember I texted you one of those gifts over the
weekend during the Cowboys.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
And little bit, Yeah, I don't even know.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
When the guy was sitting in a chair and there's
a fire around him, He's like, this is fine. That
was during the McCarthy game. By the way, did you
see Kittle and the Niners. He told this story about
how they were watching the Lions last Sunday and they
did that reverse play and Laporta was wide open, and
Kittle says, I texted the OC and we're like, we
got it. We have just played. Why aren't we using it?
And they ran it that night. In that Dallas defense
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pushes up. They're very aggressive. You know this, the defensive line,
the linebackers, everybody gets sucked in. Chargers Kellen Morganna dial
up some special stuff. By the way, Layton vander Esch
looks like he's injured, doesn't know if he's gonna go,
oh boy, that's not good. Chargers two and a half.
I don't I don't think that line is going to
be there much longer.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
Where do you think it's going?
Speaker 3 (29:52):
I think it's going to the Chargers. How is Alas
Dallas that good?
Speaker 2 (29:55):
Are we sure?
Speaker 1 (29:57):
You know? Again? I think I just know this. The Chargers,
if Bosa plays, have good pass rushers, and Dallas has
shown an inability to play from behind. Go ask the
Raiders what Khalil Mack was like. So if the Chargers
get out to a ten to nothing lead and play
from behind with that Charger pass rush, that's the field.
(30:19):
Like you're from Dallas. You gotta score first, you gotta
get Dallas has shown no ability, Yeah, to play from behind,
because but Dak, when forced to throw, is an average thrower.
He needs a lead or a run game. Dak's at
his best when it's third and two, second before and
he can throw. If Dak's third and eleven, Dack's bad,
and at this point in his career, he's not a
(30:40):
good third and eleven quarterback.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
Yeah, I like Chargers a lot. Final story, They Houston
Astros clinched their spot in the ALCS with a three
to two win over the Twins last night, their seventh
consecutive trip to the Championship Series. Justin Verlander gave a
passionate and expletive filled speech to his team after the double.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
Boy, this is this is one of these seasons.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
You know nothing?
Speaker 5 (31:03):
Whatever?
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Why early we battled through injuries, We grinded.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
I wasn't even here seventh time, seventh time. All right,
don't look at don't take that for granted.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
On seven every.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
Poppies, say what you want, Dodger fans. They win a
lot of big series and big games. What's that look?
Speaker 3 (31:36):
I'm not I'm out on these cheaters.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
Come on, cheating.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
What we called the Patriots cheaters after Deflake Gates.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
I didn't, Oh please, I didn't.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
You never said they were cheating.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
By the way, you ever had a glass of wine
written it off your taxes? But it really wasn't a
right on.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
The Astros were begging a drum in center field to
alert people what the heck's going on?
Speaker 1 (31:57):
Come on, a lot of flexible morality and need.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
The Yankees to go defensing and get a rod in
the front office for the Yanks. We need to fix
that and knock these guys down.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
I don't five years clean and still winning, but they.
Speaker 3 (32:09):
Just maybe they just adjusted their cheating.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
Maybe a janitor banged into a drama a garbage can
made some noise. A lot of conspiracy theorists on Reddit.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
Is our regular Houston sports fan in your ear right
now defends cheating fraud. I'm villain.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
Are good guys five years clean, five years clean, They're
still winning all these big games.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
Until the next expose comes out that they're bending the rules.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
People make little flexible moral mistakes.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
Much to do about nothing, surely, coin.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
I think I like the way Houston plays. How about
I'll tell you right now if you sold me Houston
Phillies World Series. Oh my god, go Phillies please. Well,
I think I would root for Bryce Harper too. But
if you gave me Philly, Bryce Harper and the Phillies
and and and the Bank against Houston in the World Series.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
All the Braves have their number one guy going tonight
the picture.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
Well, Braves are not going to go down easily.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
Go Phillies.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
Flex as your mentor, let's just say people get flexible.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
Wait, so I'm a you're my mentor? And Nixon? How
many other mentors? Like?
Speaker 1 (33:17):
What do you?
Speaker 6 (33:17):
What do you go?
Speaker 3 (33:18):
Like? A school going on here?
Speaker 1 (33:20):
J Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
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Speaker 9 (33:32):
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Speaker 5 (33:51):
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Speaker 3 (34:01):
Start Saturday Strong with a big New Saturday on Fox.
It all gets started with Big Neon kickoff at ten am,
coming to you live from South Bend. Thenter noon, JJ
McCartney leads undefeated in second ranked Michigan against Syddia.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
I don't know how. I don't know where he goes
in the NFL draft. He's an interesting player. What do
you mean. I think he's a good player.
Speaker 3 (34:22):
Remember in the mock I had him top ten last
week and people were freaking out, like what is this?
Apparently nobody else has him top ten yet.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
All right, we'll see. So this is the story. Michigan
football head coach Jim Harbaugh is on the verge of
signing a lucrative contract extension. They were about ready to
run him out a few years ago. It is funny
all the critics of Harball, they're all running and hiding. Now.
You can't find anybody on the internet that now is
(34:49):
critical of Jim Harbaugh. He now owns Ohio State. I
think it's the best team in the country I've seen. PJ.
Fleck said last week, he said, I've been coaching fifteen years.
That's the best college football I've ever seen. They do
not have a weakness. In fact, the strange part about Harball,
the former quarterback I couldn't figure out for years, is
at Michigan, why can't he get a great quarterback? He
got Andrew Luck at Stanford. He figured out everywhere San
(35:12):
Diego his first job, he had it, He made Kaepernick better.
Why can't he get a quarterback at Michigan home of
Tom Brady? And he finally did. But I will say
this is I think people think NFL jobs are better
than head coaching jobs. And I've told people this for
years in this little business I do. Local jobs are
(35:32):
better than national jobs. Unless you're Joe Buck, or you're
Kevin Burkhardt right, or you're Jim Nantz. You're better to
be the voice of Michigan football, in Michigan basketball, the
voice of Oklahoma football and basketball. If you can get
the top job at a network, take that Michigan football
is better than ninety nine percent of all jobs in
the world. You don't get the lunacy of SEC fans
(35:53):
or the unrealistic expectations at Ohio State. You don't have
to live in the middle of nowhere. Ann Arbor's got
a world class medical center, it's got arts, it's a
cool place to live. It's the cold version of Austin, Texas.
It's a sophisticated small town. Harbaugh's got his dad living
right across the street seeing his grandkids. So this is
a great job. People say, what about the Bears and
(36:15):
Kayleb Williams. In the history of the Bears, they've never
been able to get quarterback right, not once, name their
great quarterbacks. Thanks, they don't have one best receiver ever,
they don't have one of those either. It's a defensive culture.
They'd probably screw up Kayleb Williams. Well, what about Washington
defensive coach, new ownership, what about Washington? You have to
(36:36):
be in a division with the Philadelphia They're great. My
takeaway is Kansas City's the best gig in the NFL.
Hunt family great, GM. You got a quarterback in his prime,
Andy Reid's not retiring that you take the Chargers have
a coach and now he's winning justin Herbert good GM.
(36:57):
Tom tellsco who drafts, Well, that's fascinating. D It dries
up real quick. What about Dallas. The owner loves Dak.
Dak's now at BB minus quarterback. It's not a great job.
I mean, if you in the NFL, you have things
that you don't have in college. I got no salary cap.
I can recruit and land and bring into school three
quarterbacks a year. I don't have a crazy, impulsive owner.
(37:19):
I don't have any of that stuff. I got the
NC double A. Yeah, they're toothless. I mean, what do
they really matter? Basically, the NC DOUBLEA just follows a
newspaper reporter who wants a decade, breaks the story, and
then they go snoop around and suspend you for a game.
They're toothless. So and I think the NC double A
could be going away in football. So I just don't think.
I don't think there are five football jobs in the
(37:41):
world better than Michigan and Ohio State's a great job.
But you know they ran John Cooper off. He was
winning like ten games a year. Michigan will accept you
when you have a bad season. I mean they gave
rich Rod. They almost gave rich Rod another season, like
they gave Brady Holk another season than I would have.
Ohio stated will run you off. If you're if you're
going to the Rose Bowl back in the day, and
(38:02):
that doesn't make it a bad job, but it doesn't
make it as good as There is some lack of
lunacy at Michigan where they'll give you an extra year
or two. And I think Harball is much more valuable
to the college game that he is the NFL game.
I just don't think there are many great NFL jobs,
and when they are great, you're an injury to your
(38:24):
quarterback away from being a bad job. Mahomes gets hurt
out for a year, that job's not the same job
because now I got to pay for Mahomes and I
don't get him, so it doesn't In college, Michigan gets
two four star quarterbacks. They can both play. One tends
to elevate above the other, but they can probably both play.
And there's not a gigantic gap starter to backup. Now
(38:44):
there is with Caleb Williams or shaduer Sanders to the backup,
but most college quarterbacks, even at Michigan, they're better than
the backup. But the backup can play as a four
star kid, a high school star who's been in the
program two years. So there we are, right there. So
I think Michigan harball, all the critics crickets apparently a
power outage in the south, a power outage in Columbus, Ohio.
(39:07):
Where are all the critics of harball?
Speaker 3 (39:09):
Colin which job do you think? It takes more time
and energy and a probably time away from your family,
coaching NFL or coaching college college.
Speaker 1 (39:19):
Yeah, but you got to remember Michigan's a brand. I'm
not here at Minnesota. I don't have to bang the drum. Hey,
we're Michigan. They call you, pick the phone up. It's
easier to recruit at Michigan, Ohio State, Notre Dame USC.
Charlie Weiss wasn't a great recruiter. He was landing playing.
Paul Hackett bombed at USC. He got Carson Palmer and
Troy Polomolo. USC recruits itself about seventy five percent of
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recruiting at USCA Clay Helton got five star guys. So
Michigan's always had. Brady Hoak had talent. He need to
know what to do with it. But hardball took Brady
Hoak's talent and won ten games year one. Bob Stoops
took There was a guy that a coached at Oklahoma Blake.
I think it was John Blake. It was a John Blake,
a rare Oklahoma miss I mean that Barry Sweats or
(40:03):
Bud Wilkerson, Bob Stoops, Lincoln right, everybody, Brett Venable's looks
like it's gonna work. Everybody works at Oklahoma. They had
one coach who didn't work. Bob Stoops took it over
second year one of Natty. So these big brands, it's
hard to recruit, but they do a lot of the
lifting for you. Michigan closes a lot of the kid
flies up, he goes to a Michigan game in the
(40:23):
Big House, and he signs. He commits in the locker
room after the game. That happens a lot at Michigan.
Speaker 3 (40:29):
We also know that even though that kid is committing,
you still got to keep recruiting him because people are
coming after him. You know, it's sharks in the water
all the time. I do want to ask, you know,
hard balls kind of runs hot in places three four
five years and then he's out the door onto the
next one, three four five years, onto the next one.
He's been at Michigan for a minute now. He did graduate.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
I think he graduated for well, I think people like
him As they age, the governor comes down a little bit.
I don't think he's quite as intent as he was
five years ago. Scott kids, he's got his dad living
next door. His wife probably keeps him in his place.
I mean, it's just it's a whole different when you're
a young coach trying to become something. It's different than
(41:10):
you are a rich, veteran coach with something like It's
a different ballgame for him. He sees the world differently
as kids matter more. He's not that he's not ascending,
but he's ascending now within Michigan. You know, he was
like San Diego, Stanford, NFL. I feel like Jim's like, yeah,
it's a probably as good a job. He's a Michigan man.
Speaker 3 (41:30):
The one that I could see open that I think
he would jump at would be the Chargers if that
job opens to you know, I think that's a.
Speaker 1 (41:35):
Great great you know who else would be calling the Chargers?
Not Lincoln Riley, everybody, Okay, better than like ninety five.
I'm just saying that job's gonna have a lot of
people lining up, and I think I think Jim's I
think it may end here in Michigan. Hour three, next,
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Here we go our two Thursday, Greg Cosel for five minutes.
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Wherever you may be, and however you may be listening
and watching a lot of choices. Thanks for making that
part of your day. Gotta tell you, the story's now percolating.
(00:51):
I'm reading one from Jeff Howe of The Athletic on Belichick.
People of Tom Landry got fired, Andy Reid, he got fired.
Belichick's not untouchable.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
You know, we haven't talked about the game we like
best this week in the NFL. You know, usually there's
one that pops up, Colin.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Like the Patriot game or is it time zero points
three points a week before that? Yeah, So the Athletic
Jeff how quote. There's a school of thought that suggests
Bill Belichick has earned the right to go out on
his own accord. The architect of the greatest dynasty in
NFL history can coach as long as he wants. Robert
(01:30):
Kraft doesn't subscribe to it. By the way, you're foolish
in any industry unless you own the business to think
that way. Everybody's replaceable. And Belichick, by the way, his brand.
Belichick now would cut Belichick, that's his brand. Moving off
players a year early. Belichick wouldn't respect a coach who
(01:53):
didn't cut Belichick. The coach in a pivoting to offense NFL,
he looks like a dinosaur. He cut a Sante Samuel
on Christmas. Stop with the heartstring stuff. You can move
off Bill Belichick, Landry and Andy Reid fired the longer
he coaches. There is an inescapable, unescapable, whatever it is. Truth.
(02:14):
He doesn't win big without Brady. Look at the graphic
we put on television. He is a below five hundred
coach without Tommy, and he's great in winning rings with him.
This is not a Joe Gibbs story. Three super Bowls,
three different quarterbacks, the mastermind of all of them. He
can't pivot off Tom, which makes us realize Tom was
much better than we thought. But I'm not giving you
a legacy pass when your brand always was cut a
(02:38):
guy early, not late. Craft isn't demanding they be great
and win Super Bowls? How about just demanding they're not
boring and dull and bad and offensively And this is
something if you paid attention, that's been bad for seven
or eight years. It's why Tommy left. Tommy wouldn't have
left if he had Mike Evans, Chris Godwin in tow
(03:00):
no way. He was screaming at his receivers get open, six, seven, eight,
nine drafts in a row. Outside of Gronk couldn't hit
on offensive skill people. Even Julian Edelman, Owa's respectful sees
the issue.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
I think he needs a little help on the offensive side.
I mean, you look at the defensive picks. They all
look pretty good. I mean, they always come out and
they perform. And I hate talking about coach like this,
but we have whift on a lot of offensive skill
position players, you know, starting from I don't want to
call guys out, but there are three four receivers when
(03:40):
I was playing that we got in top rounds. Now
you're looking and I say, what's going on here? That's
not a first round, right, I don't. I don't know
what's going on. So I think he would be the
first to tell you that he's he's had some screw ups.
He's a very accountable guy. And I do think that
you know that they probably do need a little more
help on the offensive side of scouting.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Mike Vrabel's name has been suggested. He'd probably be a
front runner, very respected in Foxborough. But I suggested this
at the beginning of last year. Give me get out
of here with this legacy stuff. Like Belichick's entire brand
was cut early, not late. He cut a Sante Samuel
on Christmas. A Sante said on the phone before Belichick
(04:26):
hung up, Merry Christmas, Bill, you can fire Bill in February.
It's not the end of the world, Landry, Andy Reid,
it happens, Greg Cosel forty four years not saying it will,
but it wouldn't be outrageous. So young people in any
industry improve, They even say. I learned this years ago
(04:49):
with my kids. Young kids learn languages better than older people.
I don't know exactly the brain chemistry. But sometimes we
have to say listen, I see something. It's not working,
but I see something, whereas Mac Jones, I don't see anything.
I do look at Justin fields and go there's a
lot of wow there can he just sustain it week
(05:10):
after week. So he's played better, Greg, What does the
tape say on Justin?
Speaker 5 (05:17):
Very interesting because the last two weeks he's clearly played
better against Denver obviously not a very good defense, but
the Bears did a lot of play action movement with fields,
play action boot got him out of the pocket. They
ran half field reeds. He was very very effective this
past game, which was last Thursday night against the Commanders.
(05:37):
It was more playing in the pocket and he did
some really good things reading it out. The touchdown that
we just saw to Moore was a really good example
of that, the one for about twenty yards into the
left void, the left corner void. So he played better
from the pocket. You're seeing incremental improvement. It'll be very
interesting this week, Colin. You never know what you're going
(05:59):
to get from Brian Florida's defense. It could be high pressure,
it could be high frequency blitz. He could back off
and play zone. You just don't know, so this is
going to be a really intriguing challenge for Justin Fields.
But there's been incremental improvement in his game. And as
you've discussed many times and we've discussed, he's a talented kid.
(06:19):
Oh yeah, he can throw the ball really well. He's
six three, two thirty. He's got great movement. You just
have to put him in a situation where he can
see it well and see it better, and then he
can play with a little more confidence.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
I know most people did not get up early on
the West Coast and watch the Bills Jags. I did
and I listen. I've always been a Trevor Lawrence guy.
I love the kid. I thought he made a couple
of throws. You could hear the whip from here in London.
Speaker 5 (06:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
I think he's playing last couple of weeks. I think
he's playing really well. I think he had, like Lamar Jackson,
his receivers dropping football's what's the tape say on Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 5 (06:58):
Yeah. I thought in this particular game exceptionally well and
I think he's played well all season. He has not
been the problem with the Jaguars when the offense has sputtered.
I thought he was outstanding on third down in this game.
He was nine to ten for one hundred and fourteen yards,
and the key thing was eight of those nine completions
resulted in first downs. And believe it or not, I
think his arm's gotten a little juici or over the
(07:19):
last year. And I don't know if that's a comfort level.
I don't know if that's a fundamental technique thing, because
they had to work on that last year when Doug
Peterson and staff got there. They had to work on
his lower body technique in his drop has set in
his delivery and maybe that's the reason. But the ball
came out with some really good juice this week. He
sees things well, he knows where to go with the football.
(07:43):
To be honest with you, I thought in that game,
I thought it was high level quarterback play on both sides.
I watched the tape and I thought it was high
level quarterback play on both sides. But there's no question
Trevor Lawrence is playing really, really well.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Yeah. By the way, Josh Allen, any time you have
a London game or a Thursday night game, team never
looks right. And I thought Buffalo was just out of
the sync I thought Josh was fine. The tapes said
he was fine.
Speaker 5 (08:08):
Yep, tape said he was really good. You know, of course,
they want to try to run the football, and they
could not do it in this game. Their run game
really lacked any kind of synchronicity to it at all.
It didn't look right. But Alan played really really well.
Look when he threw that deep ball, the interception by
Williams that was on Diggs. Diggs has to make that
(08:28):
catch or at least make sure it's not an interception.
That was a well thrown ball, touch underthrown, but Diggs
has to go up and make that catch. He's your
number one receiver. But he made some really really good throws,
played extremely well. Like I said, it was high level
quarterback play. That's what the tape said. It was high
level quarterback play on both sides. But there's no question
Trevor Lawrence is becoming a fun watch.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
So I said this earlier this week. I think the
Lions are the Cowboys is that we look at the coach,
Mike McCarthy and Dan Campbell and there's still some people
pushing back and we think Dak is great, but Jared
Goff's actually a better distributor of the football. We talk
about that question. We talk about the great Cowboy o line.
(09:10):
Detroit's is probably better. We talk about a great pass rusher,
Micah Hutchinson's also unbelievable. And I look at them and
I think they're basically the Cowboys with better players and
less hype. I I mean, I Jared Goff and Ben Johnson.
We know coordinators matter. This is about it as well
as they ever played, isn't it.
Speaker 5 (09:31):
Oh, And you're one hundred percent right. I mean, you
watch the Lions tape and it is really a joy
to watch because the way they run their route concepts,
the spacing of their route concepts, the way they present
clear defined reads and throws. For Jared Goff, you and
I have discussed Scoff many times. You know, he's from
the Bay Area, as you know, he's a pretty thrower
of the football. You know, he's a much better thrower
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than Dak Prescott to begin with, just in terms of
pure throwing of the football. And then you see the
way that offense is structured and s and design, and
it's really a thing of beauty at times. The Cowboys
their offense, you know, again on tape it's a little
bit of a struggle. We've talked about Dak at this
point in his career, he's a ball distributor and an executor.
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He needs to do that better than he's doing it now.
But that offense is not as well schemed as the
Lions offense. It doesn't present him with the kinds of
reads and throws that the Lions present.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
GoF By the way Cooper Cup comes back it, there
are times I think they almost depend on Cooper Cup
too much. I wouldn't be surprised they just let Van
Jefferson go. I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't make
an offer for a Jerry Judy or one of the
Vikings guys. If the Vikings are moving off. You know,
this season, I watch Cup and I'm like, as good
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as Puka Nakua is. There are times that looks like
Stafford's paying attention to nobody else on the entire team.
What does the film say on that?
Speaker 5 (10:53):
Yeah, Well, Nikup is not as good a receiver as Cup.
Obviously he did extremely well, but Cup's special in terms
of his raw running ability, his understanding of pace and tempo,
his understanding of how at the top of his route
stem to stick his foot in the ground and get
a corner to react a certain way. He did that
beautifully against Darius Slay, I believe on his thirty nine
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yarder where he beats Slay, it was just a beautiful
route at the top of his route stem, and you
can move him all throughout the formation. He's not just
a slot. Yeah, it's always hard to know where the
quarterback colin. I mean, we can sort of make that
speculative judgment that a quarterback relies on a receiver too much.
But Cup is just so good and he just seems
to be open. He just seems to be available. He
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makes himself available. It'll be interesting to see going forward
because their run game has been a little up and down,
ye know, and they need a run game. They quite honestly,
they need a run game. And they're O line is
just not good enough to sustain a pass game if
you're going to need Stafford to drop back forty times.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
So, you know, it's interesting. Lamar Jackson came into this
league and he was so dynamic as a runner that
he's never been kind of given the respect he deserves
as a thrower. And I think he's gotten better and
better at it. He's gotten stronger, a little more patient. Again,
we go back to young people grow. They may make
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big leaps from twenty one to twenty three, twenty three
to twenty six years old. I watch Lamar. When I
watch him, I'm like, I think he's I think he's
the best he's ever been. His receivers can't catch. What
does the film say.
Speaker 5 (12:29):
I gotta tell you, you know, people might look at
his numbers and the score of that game without watching
the tape. And I watch that tape in great detail
because I'm kind of fascinated with the new offense what
it's going to look like. But I thought the score
did not reflect it at all. But I thought Jackson
played at a high level within the structure of the
pass game. He played from the pocket with efficiency, He
read coverage, He delivered the ball to the right receiver
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at the right time with the right kind of throw.
You know, those were legit drops. Those were not drops
where you know we say, oh, the receiver got hand
on it, he should catch it. Those were legit drops
with perfect throws. They should have scored four or five
touchdowns in that game. Yep, he played really at a
high high level in that game, and I think they're
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ironing out some of their route concepts. You know, I
spoke about the spacing with the Lions. I think that's
what Todd Monkin's trying to do with his route concepts.
But they're not it's not quite working yet. Receivers are
a little too close together. It's just not quite in
sync the way it will be over time. But Lamar
played really, really well. He was fun to watch.
Speaker 6 (13:33):
You know.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
I said it this week that if you look at
what's working in the NFL, clever is McDaniels, Kyle McVeigh,
some of the stuff Baltimore is doing and will continue
to do, clever is working. I watched Dallas and I
it just it's kind of a boring watch it. I mean,
(13:56):
I know that doesn't matter. But San Francisco, in Tree, Miami,
the Rams, Yeah, I can't ever predict what they're doing,
the motion, the multiple sets. Yeah. What does the film
say about dak in this offense?
Speaker 5 (14:12):
Yeah, well we just mentioned that they're a tough offense
to watch, and I'm just speaking from film, and I'm
going to be very curious to see what they do
going forward, because you know, in some ways, and again
this is just my interpretation of it. Some might disagree.
I feel like with the way the NFL is moving,
and you just hit upon it that they're a little
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old schools.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (14:34):
By the way, if you have unbelievably great talent, sure
can that work. Because you and I both know there's
ten ways to play. I mean, there's not one way
to play, but it has to reflect what you have
in terms of talent. So we'll see going forward. But
I love what you said about those other teams. I
mean you talk about the use of motion, and keep
in mind when you use motion and you have a
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ton of formation variation, that puts a burden on your
quarterback as well. We all think, oh, that makes it
hard for the defense, but don't forget the quarterback has
to call all those plays in the huddle. There's a
lot of moving parts, there's a lot of different formation looks.
The quarterback has to understand all that. And again, you're
anticipating a certain response from the defense when you do
certain things, but you might not get that exact response Colin,
(15:17):
and the quarterback within a second has to understand that
there's a difference there. And that's why someone like purity,
and we can get into him in a moment if
you like. But someone like Purdy is so much better
than people think because as we all do, we just
look at physical traits and there's no question he doesn't
have a hose. But I got to tell you the
other thing too, as we get more into it, is
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his ball's coming out this year with a little more juice.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
Yeah. Yeah, Now, let's talk Brock Purtty because I said
yesterday he's good. I don't know if he's very good,
but some of these throws are big time throws.
Speaker 5 (15:51):
That's correct. And let's understand you know something else what
I just said. You know, coordinators, coaches, they work, as
you know, sixteen seventeen hours a day putting in their
game plans. That's what they do, and for the most part,
they expect it to be executed as scheme. Now, there's
always going to be a few plays in a game
defense wins and it doesn't work out the way you
(16:13):
want it to work out. Sure, but it's the job
of the quarterback to execute what is being done, okay,
and what is being installed. Brock Purdy is executing what
is being installed on a play to play snap to
snap quarter to quarter, game after a game level, at
a really high level of execution. That's what you want
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your quarterback to do. We can sit and debate the traits,
but I tell you what, you know, what's a trait.
A trait is being able within this two to three
seconds that you have when you take the snap, drop
back and deliver the ball. To be able to do
that correctly snap after snap, that's a trait.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Well, you know, it's interesting if you go back to
last four years, Joe Burrow has struggled in September and
early October, even the Super Bowl year, and my takeaway
is he's had two major surgeries and a camf injury,
and for whatever reasons it could be a coincidence. He scuffed.
I watched that game against Arizona and I'm like, Okay,
here goes Joe Burrow. That's what I said. He made
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the throws, he went over the top, he stepped into it.
I don't know. I looked at Cincinnati and I'm like,
I put him in my top ten. At the end
of this week, I put him ten. I'm like, folks,
I've seen this story before. Bengals struggled, Burrows banged up.
I don't know. I watched last week and I thought
they're back to be in the Bengals. That was my take.
Speaker 5 (17:38):
Yeah, he looked like what we've come to expect Borrow
to look like, right is That's basically what we're saying.
And there was a very rhythmic feel to their pass game. Now.
I think coaching helped a lot too, because early in
the game they gave him basic greeds, simple stuff, which
is really smart, so we could hit that back, football
could come out. The offensive line would not be an issue,
so we didn't have to worry about that because the
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offensive line is still not great. And then he settled
in the game really well. And when he moves I
always feel like his movement Colin isn't really secondary action movement.
It's kind of calculated pocket movement. Yeah, you know, even
though he might leave the pocket a little bits, he's
not running around like a Josh Allen or even a Mahomes.
It just looks very composed and calculated. Wuld't you agree?
Speaker 1 (18:21):
Yeah? And I think Joe. I think Joe maybe it's
Dad's a coach. He is the rare athlete. He's better
on third down, he can get I always said he
had a little Tony romo. He can get at times
a little loose and fun and play. You know, he's
gonna experiment with Jamar Chase. But if it's third and
(18:41):
four and he's got to throw a football, right, I'm
not sure the league has a more accurate deliver of
the football up that sideline. I think he's brilliant.
Speaker 5 (18:49):
Yeah, and he just knows where to go. That's the
other thing. He knows where to go. You know when
you mentioned a long touchdown to Chase, that's going to
be our play. Yeah, well that's our play this week.
So let's take a look because one of the things
about this play as we look at this long touchdown
is a lot of people need to understand that quarterbacks
don't have to read five guys on given plays. You know,
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it's what's called functional knowledge. You see him in the
gun here. Okay, Now what you're gonna get here is
you're going to get Irwin on the boundary side of
the field. Run a little curl or sit route. Okay,
You're gonna have Chase with a reduced split. That's important.
He's gonna run the deep over route. So now basically
Borrow's going to be reading. That's safety. Okay, that's what
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he needs to look at. Is that safety going to
sit on Erwin's curl route or is he going to
get depth and try to get underneath the over route
to deep over out by Chase. Well, you see him sit.
Look at his body language. You see him sit on
Erwin's curl route. Now there's the deep over out by
Chase that we spoke about. Now the positioning of Chase
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with the other safety. The other safety is not going
to be a factor on this throw. He's running a
deep over away from him. So all Burrow has to
do to see what that boundary safety does. And he
sat so now he knows he can go over the top.
So he basically had to read one defender on this
given play. And you could see from this angle that
that's where he's looking, and then he goes over the top.
(20:15):
He actually threw it a little too far inside and
Chase made an unbelievable catch. He probably should have taken
him across the field a little more. But just to
give people the sense that quarterbacks don't have to read
five six different players, it's all functional knowledge based on
the route concept.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
Greg co Sell has always magic. We're all smarter. Great
seeing you.
Speaker 5 (20:34):
Again, great Cown, thanks really appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
You bet. Yeah. So Rock Purty's good, The film says,
Rock Purty's good again, very good. We have nothing, we
have no knowledge of, no Kyle Shanahan. It's a little
like Tua. I've seen with Tua. I've seen him with
Brian Flores, I've seen him being taken out and now
Mike McDaniel. So with Tua, I've got another co another system,
(21:01):
and he's okay, and he's great with this. I suspect
Perty's a little like Tua with the system and the talent.
He's great. If he gave him a defensive coach, took
away some weapons, pretty be okay. Tua was very okay
pre McDaniel. So again, Herbert overcomes the thirty second ranked
old line. Herbert overcomes a bad coach. That's not what
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Tua and Perty are in my opinion.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
So we get Purty. I agree, but the Borough one
is a little more difficult.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Colin, do you think so?
Speaker 3 (21:30):
Do you think he's officially back? Because he touched a
terrible Arizona secondary, he got shredded by Daniel Jones and
basically everyone else they faced. Yes, okay, because that's gonna
impact your Seattle Cincinnati pick. That to me is becoming
a fascinating game because I respect a bunch of guys
I talked to about gambling, and they're divided on it.
Usually that's a walk away from me. But I feel
(21:51):
like I'm pot committed to one side, and.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
It's the Seattle side, and I'm a Northwest kid heading
there this weekend. I should be all over Seattle. But
the Cincinnati I watch is the Cincinnati that has marched.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
But that's just one. That's just one game against a
terrible Arizona defense.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
American Idol eight seconds. That's a star.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
By the way, Cincinnati had a box six right in there,
so they did only have twenty seven. But you think
Seattle's gonna let Jamar Chase go off like that? They're
just gonna let him go. They're not gonna maybe double
team him or.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
Jamar Chase is better than any of their corners.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
You were in love with the cornerback last year, Woolen,
who is incredible?
Speaker 1 (22:24):
Yeah so am I I get what about Witherspoon, He's
very good?
Speaker 3 (22:27):
How many Blitzer for Jamal Adams twenty just make Joe
Burrow run Like that's all Adams.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Is coming off the cause like you're talking yourself into
the Seahawks.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
No, I just it's tough, man. This is what I
love about, bouncing stuff off you, and you know you
say stuff to kind of Oh, I gotta think about that. Yeah,
mostly it's me impacting you.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
But yeah, mostly that's how I see it too. I
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Cincinnati found their groove. This game is urgent. They're in
a very tough division. Every game matters now. After a
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and the Commanders, with extra prep off a blowout loss humiliated,
(23:25):
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Speaker 2 (24:16):
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Speaker 3 (24:19):
I'm sure you saw this over the weekend. Stefan Diggs
during that loss of the Jags in London. Digs kind
of lost his mind on the sideline, busting up a tablet,
person off a storm heated. You know they look bad
in the loss. Josh Alleno defending his wide receiver.
Speaker 6 (24:37):
I know a lot of people are throwing different ideas
of what he was mad at on the sideline. You know,
he was mad at himself for running the wrong release
on a route. You know, so he's a he's a competitor.
He's a fiery competitor. I'm tired of hearing all this
nonsense from people because it's a lot of guys in
the league that have that same fire that don't get
talked about. But you know, he's he's a lot of
our juice on the sideline, you know, making sure that
(24:59):
the offensive staying up and as energized as possible, and
we feed off of that.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
I like that. I like passion, you like digulars. Allen's response.
I like the response to I saw that and my
takeaway was a boy. And then Josh Allen's like, no,
he ran the wrong route, he was ticked off it himself.
I like people who get mad at themselves. I hold
themselves accountable.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
I like these things with dicks. He likes these.
Speaker 6 (25:21):
Well.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
He's very emotional, not a passion emotional. So you brought
a company before Passionate people is what You're trying to
find people that care about it as much.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
As you do. So you remember the summer when I
said the Buffalo Bill's window for the Super Bowl was closing. Well,
it's gonna float this. I don't hear anybody else talking
about it because we like to see around corners, and.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
Yes we do so.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
Uh, you know, Josh Allen got a big, big deal.
You know what his cap pit goes from this year
to next year? What eighteen million this year jumps to
forty seven million next year. In this she's similar to
the Patrick Mahome situation when they had to offload who
was that wide receiver they had to.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
Wak Tyreek Hill.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
Yeah, Josh Allen's caphit significant jump. You know who else
has a big jump. Stefan Diggs jumped from fourteen to
twenty seven. I will go out on a limb not
worried about being wrong. Diggs is not on the Buffalo Bills, nest.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
I don't think it's crazy. Yeah, I think once you
I mean, listen, the Chiefs had to get rid of
Tyreek Hill. I think they drafted Kincaid. It looks like
a great tight end. I think they'll draft I think
they drafted a receiver this year. I believe they'll draft
another one. Yeah, I don't think that's crazy and.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
By the way, sideline stuff is just noise.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
I would have no problem with Stefan Diggs. Keep your
eye on the Rams.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
Well, I don't know about the Rams. I'm thinking quarterbacks
on a rookie deal.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Right.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
That's where Diggs went from Minnesota to Buffalo when Allen
was on the cheap. So if you're CJ. Stroud, Hey, Stefan,
how you doing, buddy, come on down, Anthony Richardson, there's good.
I'm just telling you Diggs is going to have a market.
I mean, the guy's awesome, right, you like that? I
see that Grid? No, I do McIntire is on one today.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
No, I think you're I think this is And for
the record, this is sort of a he's kind of
a Randy Moss where he doesn't deteriorate the locker room.
You get three four years out of Stefan Diggs and
then over time maybe he can wear some people out
or whatever. But like he's gonna be, he's got probably
three to four great years left. I'd take him in
he wears another one New England. If you put Stefan
(27:13):
Digs in New you're not paying the quarterback and they're
probably going to draft another quarterback. They have no playmakers.
So now all of a sudden, Juju Smith is a
two or of three. Devonte Parker's a three. Then the
receiving core feels different. Their problem is basically they have
a bunch of number three starters. If it's a baseball term,
Patriots have no ace and don't have a two. Stefan
(27:33):
Diggs solves a lot of problems for New England. And
you're not paying Mac and it looks like you're going
to restart the quarterback clock potentially next year. To me,
New England can't draft skill players. Go buy those, go
trade for him.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
It's not a bat.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
I worked with Randy Moss. Did it not?
Speaker 6 (27:50):
Well?
Speaker 3 (27:50):
They had had this guy, a quarterback named Brady who
was decent. Mac Jones is not in class. Next up
Kellen Moore in the Chargers. Uh, their offense is rolling
this year. He did spend five years in Dallas. Many
They face off Monday night in an awesome game. Cowboys
safety jay Ron Curse says he expects both sides to
put on a show.
Speaker 8 (28:12):
I'm pretty sure he wants to go out there and
put it on us. But you know, you've got to
put into perspective what we just went through on Sunday
and how we're temping that to get out there and
get our next game on the road, so we can
go out there and kind of just get this space
out of our mouths. So you know, I'm pretty sure
he's chumping at it and we're jumping at it as well.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
That's one of the best Monday night football games going
into what I remember, this game is gigantic for the Cowboys.
If Kellen Moore has them running in circles. Mike McCarthy
is officially on the hot seat. We said before the
season started, Mike was on a very precarious hot seat.
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Oh that thing is an inferno if they not only
get beat, but it's a clever showcase. As Greg Cosel said,
the film tells Dallas's offense is old school, it's dull.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
Remember I texted you one of those gifts over the
weekend during the Cowboys.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
And little bit, Yeah, I don't even know.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
When the guy was sitting in a chair and there's
a fire around him, He's like, this is fine. That
was during the McCarthy game. By the way, did you
see Kittle and the Niners. He told this story about
how they were watching the Lions last Sunday and they
did that reverse play and Laporta was wide open, and
Kittle says, I texted the OC and we're like, we
got it. We have just played. Why aren't we using it?
And they ran it that night. In that Dallas defense
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pushes up. They're very aggressive. You know this, the defensive line,
the linebackers, everybody gets sucked in. Chargers Kellen Morganna dial
up some special stuff. By the way, Layton vander Esch
looks like he's injured, doesn't know if he's gonna go,
oh boy, that's not good. Chargers two and a half.
I don't I don't think that line is going to
be there much longer.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
Where do you think it's going?
Speaker 3 (29:52):
I think it's going to the Chargers. How is Alas
Dallas that good?
Speaker 2 (29:55):
Are we sure?
Speaker 1 (29:57):
You know? Again? I think I just know this. The Chargers,
if Bosa plays, have good pass rushers, and Dallas has
shown an inability to play from behind. Go ask the
Raiders what Khalil Mack was like. So if the Chargers
get out to a ten to nothing lead and play
from behind with that Charger pass rush, that's the field.
(30:19):
Like you're from Dallas. You gotta score first, you gotta
get Dallas has shown no ability, Yeah, to play from behind,
because but Dak, when forced to throw, is an average thrower.
He needs a lead or a run game. Dak's at
his best when it's third and two, second before and
he can throw. If Dak's third and eleven, Dack's bad,
and at this point in his career, he's not a
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good third and eleven quarterback.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
Yeah, I like Chargers a lot. Final story, They Houston
Astros clinched their spot in the ALCS with a three
to two win over the Twins last night, their seventh
consecutive trip to the Championship Series. Justin Verlander gave a
passionate and expletive filled speech to his team after the double.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
Boy, this is this is one of these seasons.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
You know nothing?
Speaker 5 (31:03):
Whatever?
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Why early we battled through injuries, We grinded.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
I wasn't even here seventh time, seventh time. All right,
don't look at don't take that for granted.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
On seven every.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
Poppies, say what you want, Dodger fans. They win a
lot of big series and big games. What's that look?
Speaker 3 (31:36):
I'm not I'm out on these cheaters.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
Come on, cheating.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
What we called the Patriots cheaters after Deflake Gates.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
I didn't, Oh please, I didn't.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
You never said they were cheating.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
By the way, you ever had a glass of wine
written it off your taxes? But it really wasn't a
right on.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
The Astros were begging a drum in center field to
alert people what the heck's going on?
Speaker 1 (31:57):
Come on, a lot of flexible morality and need.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
The Yankees to go defensing and get a rod in
the front office for the Yanks. We need to fix
that and knock these guys down.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
I don't five years clean and still winning, but they.
Speaker 3 (32:09):
Just maybe they just adjusted their cheating.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
Maybe a janitor banged into a drama a garbage can
made some noise. A lot of conspiracy theorists on Reddit.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
Is our regular Houston sports fan in your ear right
now defends cheating fraud. I'm villain.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
Are good guys five years clean, five years clean, They're
still winning all these big games.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
Until the next expose comes out that they're bending the rules.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
People make little flexible moral mistakes.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
Much to do about nothing, surely, coin.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
I think I like the way Houston plays. How about
I'll tell you right now if you sold me Houston
Phillies World Series. Oh my god, go Phillies please. Well,
I think I would root for Bryce Harper too. But
if you gave me Philly, Bryce Harper and the Phillies
and and and the Bank against Houston in the World Series.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
All the Braves have their number one guy going tonight
the picture.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
Well, Braves are not going to go down easily.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
Go Phillies.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
Flex as your mentor, let's just say people get flexible.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
Wait, so I'm a you're my mentor? And Nixon? How
many other mentors? Like?
Speaker 1 (33:17):
What do you?
Speaker 6 (33:17):
What do you go?
Speaker 3 (33:18):
Like? A school going on here?
Speaker 1 (33:20):
J Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
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Speaker 9 (33:32):
Hey, I'm Doug Gottlieb. The podcast is called All Ball.
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more about the stories about what made these people love
their sport and all the interesting interactions along the way.
We talked to coaches, we talked to players, We tell
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Speaker 5 (33:51):
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Speaker 3 (34:01):
Start Saturday Strong with a big New Saturday on Fox.
It all gets started with Big Neon kickoff at ten am,
coming to you live from South Bend. Thenter noon, JJ
McCartney leads undefeated in second ranked Michigan against Syddia.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
I don't know how. I don't know where he goes
in the NFL draft. He's an interesting player. What do
you mean. I think he's a good player.
Speaker 3 (34:22):
Remember in the mock I had him top ten last
week and people were freaking out, like what is this?
Apparently nobody else has him top ten yet.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
All right, we'll see. So this is the story. Michigan
football head coach Jim Harbaugh is on the verge of
signing a lucrative contract extension. They were about ready to
run him out a few years ago. It is funny
all the critics of Harball, they're all running and hiding. Now.
You can't find anybody on the internet that now is
(34:49):
critical of Jim Harbaugh. He now owns Ohio State. I
think it's the best team in the country I've seen. PJ.
Fleck said last week, he said, I've been coaching fifteen years.
That's the best college football I've ever seen. They do
not have a weakness. In fact, the strange part about Harball,
the former quarterback I couldn't figure out for years, is
at Michigan, why can't he get a great quarterback? He
got Andrew Luck at Stanford. He figured out everywhere San
(35:12):
Diego his first job, he had it, He made Kaepernick better.
Why can't he get a quarterback at Michigan home of
Tom Brady? And he finally did. But I will say
this is I think people think NFL jobs are better
than head coaching jobs. And I've told people this for
years in this little business I do. Local jobs are
(35:32):
better than national jobs. Unless you're Joe Buck, or you're
Kevin Burkhardt right, or you're Jim Nantz. You're better to
be the voice of Michigan football, in Michigan basketball, the
voice of Oklahoma football and basketball. If you can get
the top job at a network, take that Michigan football
is better than ninety nine percent of all jobs in
the world. You don't get the lunacy of SEC fans
(35:53):
or the unrealistic expectations at Ohio State. You don't have
to live in the middle of nowhere. Ann Arbor's got
a world class medical center, it's got arts, it's a
cool place to live. It's the cold version of Austin, Texas.
It's a sophisticated small town. Harbaugh's got his dad living
right across the street seeing his grandkids. So this is
a great job. People say, what about the Bears and
(36:15):
Kayleb Williams. In the history of the Bears, they've never
been able to get quarterback right, not once, name their
great quarterbacks. Thanks, they don't have one best receiver ever,
they don't have one of those either. It's a defensive culture.
They'd probably screw up Kayleb Williams. Well, what about Washington
defensive coach, new ownership, what about Washington? You have to
(36:36):
be in a division with the Philadelphia They're great. My
takeaway is Kansas City's the best gig in the NFL.
Hunt family great, GM. You got a quarterback in his prime,
Andy Reid's not retiring that you take the Chargers have
a coach and now he's winning justin Herbert good GM.
(36:57):
Tom tellsco who drafts, Well, that's fascinating. D It dries
up real quick. What about Dallas. The owner loves Dak.
Dak's now at BB minus quarterback. It's not a great job.
I mean, if you in the NFL, you have things
that you don't have in college. I got no salary cap.
I can recruit and land and bring into school three
quarterbacks a year. I don't have a crazy, impulsive owner.
(37:19):
I don't have any of that stuff. I got the
NC double A. Yeah, they're toothless. I mean, what do
they really matter? Basically, the NC DOUBLEA just follows a
newspaper reporter who wants a decade, breaks the story, and
then they go snoop around and suspend you for a game.
They're toothless. So and I think the NC double A
could be going away in football. So I just don't think.
I don't think there are five football jobs in the
(37:41):
world better than Michigan and Ohio State's a great job.
But you know they ran John Cooper off. He was
winning like ten games a year. Michigan will accept you
when you have a bad season. I mean they gave
rich Rod. They almost gave rich Rod another season, like
they gave Brady Holk another season than I would have.
Ohio stated will run you off. If you're if you're
going to the Rose Bowl back in the day, and
(38:02):
that doesn't make it a bad job, but it doesn't
make it as good as There is some lack of
lunacy at Michigan where they'll give you an extra year
or two. And I think Harball is much more valuable
to the college game that he is the NFL game.
I just don't think there are many great NFL jobs,
and when they are great, you're an injury to your
(38:24):
quarterback away from being a bad job. Mahomes gets hurt
out for a year, that job's not the same job
because now I got to pay for Mahomes and I
don't get him, so it doesn't In college, Michigan gets
two four star quarterbacks. They can both play. One tends
to elevate above the other, but they can probably both play.
And there's not a gigantic gap starter to backup. Now
(38:44):
there is with Caleb Williams or shaduer Sanders to the backup,
but most college quarterbacks, even at Michigan, they're better than
the backup. But the backup can play as a four
star kid, a high school star who's been in the
program two years. So there we are, right there. So
I think Michigan harball, all the critics crickets apparently a
power outage in the south, a power outage in Columbus, Ohio.
(39:07):
Where are all the critics of harball?
Speaker 3 (39:09):
Colin which job do you think? It takes more time
and energy and a probably time away from your family,
coaching NFL or coaching college college.
Speaker 1 (39:19):
Yeah, but you got to remember Michigan's a brand. I'm
not here at Minnesota. I don't have to bang the drum. Hey,
we're Michigan. They call you, pick the phone up. It's
easier to recruit at Michigan, Ohio State, Notre Dame USC.
Charlie Weiss wasn't a great recruiter. He was landing playing.
Paul Hackett bombed at USC. He got Carson Palmer and
Troy Polomolo. USC recruits itself about seventy five percent of
(39:43):
recruiting at USCA Clay Helton got five star guys. So
Michigan's always had. Brady Hoak had talent. He need to
know what to do with it. But hardball took Brady
Hoak's talent and won ten games year one. Bob Stoops
took There was a guy that a coached at Oklahoma Blake.
I think it was John Blake. It was a John Blake,
a rare Oklahoma miss I mean that Barry Sweats or
(40:03):
Bud Wilkerson, Bob Stoops, Lincoln right, everybody, Brett Venable's looks
like it's gonna work. Everybody works at Oklahoma. They had
one coach who didn't work. Bob Stoops took it over
second year one of Natty. So these big brands, it's
hard to recruit, but they do a lot of the
lifting for you. Michigan closes a lot of the kid
flies up, he goes to a Michigan game in the
(40:23):
Big House, and he signs. He commits in the locker
room after the game. That happens a lot at Michigan.
Speaker 3 (40:29):
We also know that even though that kid is committing,
you still got to keep recruiting him because people are
coming after him. You know, it's sharks in the water
all the time. I do want to ask, you know,
hard balls kind of runs hot in places three four
five years and then he's out the door onto the
next one, three four five years, onto the next one.
He's been at Michigan for a minute now. He did graduate.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
I think he graduated for well, I think people like
him As they age, the governor comes down a little bit.
I don't think he's quite as intent as he was
five years ago. Scott kids, he's got his dad living
next door. His wife probably keeps him in his place.
I mean, it's just it's a whole different when you're
a young coach trying to become something. It's different than
(41:10):
you are a rich, veteran coach with something like It's
a different ballgame for him. He sees the world differently
as kids matter more. He's not that he's not ascending,
but he's ascending now within Michigan. You know, he was
like San Diego, Stanford, NFL. I feel like Jim's like, yeah,
it's a probably as good a job. He's a Michigan man.
Speaker 3 (41:30):
The one that I could see open that I think
he would jump at would be the Chargers if that
job opens to you know, I think that's a.
Speaker 1 (41:35):
Great great you know who else would be calling the Chargers?
Not Lincoln Riley, everybody, Okay, better than like ninety five.
I'm just saying that job's gonna have a lot of
people lining up, and I think I think Jim's I
think it may end here in Michigan. Hour three, next,
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