November 28, 2023 • 41 mins
Colin unveils his Herd Hierarchy after week 12 of the NFL season
He also officially presents the WORST loss of the NBA season thus far
Guest: Nick Wright
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
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On a Tuesday, Jim Harbaugh discussions later this hour. I'm
so fired up about Jim Harbaugh right now. Coach of
America's team. Very exciting times. America's team is no longer
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the Cowboys, It's the Michigan Wolverine.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Yeah. I can't tell if Harbor is going to be
the next Bill's coach or charges coach.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
I'm just kind of waffling between the two.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
No reason to leave college football. He's the king.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
That's a great point, except for that money thing that
was clapped earlier with all the NFL folks is making a.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Big, big bang.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Yeah, and crazy owners that fire you if you don't
win immediately.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
What about the crazy boosters in college football?
Speaker 1 (01:13):
That's more southern thing, don't you think it's see look
at Ohio State. Well, yeahs trying to run Ryan Day
out of town.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
That's crazy.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Well again, that's the lunatics. That's not most lunatic fringe. Yeah,
most people are not that, all right, it's the herd hierarchy.
Top ten teams in the NFL. You're you're gonna blanch it.
Maybe a couple of them. But here we go, heard hierarchy.
Speaker 5 (01:40):
Time, Now go the top ten NFL teams according to
College number.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Ten Right now today, Denver is a top ten team.
Five and oh since Week seven. For the five teams
they've beaten, have winning records, allowing sixteen points a game,
best turnover differential in the league. Excellent backs, power football,
young young, athletic defense, good enough receivers Mims Cortland, Sutton,
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Jerry Judy, Dulcic coming back at tight end. Twenty touchdowns,
four picks for Russell Wilson this morning. That is a
top ten team in the NFL. Number nine Buffalo. Listen,
they're crazy, but six of their losses are by six points.
They are what they were three years ago. Josh Allen
leads the NFL with twenty four touchdown passes and thirteen
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picks and sixteen total giveaways. They're one of the more
penalized teams in the NFL. In fact, I think they're
the most penalized team. This is what they are. They're
not buttoned up. I called them the Mike Tyson Just
depends on who they fight. They'll knock you out in
the first round or lose a close fight late because
they're bad on the details. But you can't tell me
they're not a top ten team in the league. They
had Philadelphia beaten about three different times in that football
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game in Philadelphia number eight Miami. I have my issues
with them. The speedboat of the NFL. They're one in
three against teams that are five hundred. Are better, but
we have to be fair. If I'm gonna support Russell
Wilson with Sean Payton, I gotta support TUA with Mike McDaniels.
TUA under Mike McDaniels sixteen wins, eight losses, sixty seven
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percent completion percentage, passer rating at one zero four point six.
It's a good team. They don't have the defensive Denver,
but Tua with this coach and these weapons, feels like
a playoff team to me. Miami at eight. Number seven
Detroit love their offensive line and ability to control the
clock with the run game. Jared Goff's gotten sloppy in
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the last couple of weeks. They have a hole on
this team that is going to take him out of
the Super Bowl running. They're bad on the back end
of their defense, and I'm not sure this coaching staff
can solve it. They're just not They don't have the
personnel in the back end. They're like the Chargers. They
can outplay and lose because they give up cheap stuff
on the back end. But they have the number one
ranked offensive line, the number two total offense. They can
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win shootout, and they are capable of winning a playoff game.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Detroit number six.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
I like Jacksonville, least penalized team in the NFL. Only
unefeated team on the road this year. Do you know
that six and zero on the road? That says something
six and oh on the road this year? I like Jacksonville.
Do I think they can win a Super Bowl?
Speaker 6 (04:18):
No?
Speaker 1 (04:18):
That's my top four teams in the league. My top
four teams. I think are super Bowl teams. Jacksonville can
win on the road, star quarterback, clever offensive coach. I
got him at six, number five. Dallas, they crush the
teams they should. You do get credit for that. Now
they've played the easiest schedule in the NFL and they've
beaten up on the dregs of the league. But again
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you get credit for that. Their remaining five games are
much much tougher. They play Seattle Eagles, Bills, Dolphins, Lions.
Let's be fair with Dak. Over his last six games,
he's been terrific. Eighteen tds, two picks. We gotta be
fair the Ceedee Lamb Dak combination. He's got a Burrow,
Jamar Chase Field to it. It's big boy football. Dallas
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at number five, number four, and here my super Bowl teams, Baltimore.
I may have them one spot low. Listen, Baltimore's got
the number one rush offense and the number two scoring defense.
I like them. They're fast, they're physical opposing quarterbacks. Passer
rating seventy two, lowest in the league. Again, I may
have them a spot low, but I think if they
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played my number three team tomorrow, I take my number
three teams. So Baltimore's at four, Number three in Kansas
City by an inch. Keep your eye on Rashi Rice.
Looks like he could be their number one receiver. So
I've said I think they have a bunch of threes.
Rashi Rice, he was a second round kid, may become
the number one. They also showed they can score in
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the second half. They've also, let's be fair, with Kansas
City played the second hardest schedule. I still have doubts
about their second half offense. It was the Raiders, but
Rashi Rice, his growth is really interesting. Number two San Francisco.
When Trent Williams plays, they win eight and one. They
leave the NFL and turnover differential. I think they have
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the most weapons in the NFL. Philadelphia beats everybody narrowly.
They can blow people out. If they have their people,
they blow people out. Debo Christian Kittle, I yuk. Those
are dudes, and I think they can beat you in
multiple ways. So I have San Francisco at number two.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Number one.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Listen Philadelphia thirty one consecutive weeks. They've had the best
record in the league. It's choppy, it's inartistic, but they're
seven and one in one score games their O line
D line combination is excellent. They are not a perfect team.
You can beat them downfield. My top four teams are
the teams I believe this morning should be favorites and
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can hoist a trophy. Philadelphia one, San Francisco two, Kansas
City three, and Baltimore four. I don't know what to
do with Baltimore. I think for the second week in
a row, I take his I probably have them low.
I do not think Dallas hoist a trophy, but I
think they're the closest team to not doing it. With
Jacksonville that could potentially do it, but won't Jamak Your
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initial thought.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
Oh my goodness. So I was looking around my desk.
I need a flag to throw. So I all like
if it was his tissue box, Calbert, what are you?
We're the Pittsburgh Steelers. Were the Houston Texans?
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Twelve?
Speaker 4 (07:19):
No, no, no, this this doesn't work.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
Come out, This doesn't even This is Detroit Lions at seven.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
All right, let me name Let me just name the
quarterbacks on this list, not the teams. Jalen Hurts, you
love Purty mahomes Lamar Jackson, dak Trevor, Lawrence goff to
a Josh Allen, Russell Wilson, Kenny Pikett.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
Oh, so what was just naming the best quarterbacks of
the best team.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
I don't know right now, best quarterback mostly wins the division.
Interest you can't listen, Mike Tomlin Coach of the Year.
There's no way I can put Denver right now. You
have to unsee September. Denver is playing. They've beaten Kansas City,
they've beaten Buffalo, They're beating good.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
So now this sample size is like four or five games,
so we're basically That's why Denvers had.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
A place where it used to work. Nobody had courage.
They would just list standings. That's not how I roll here.
I'm telling you the best teams this week. Let's go
to a reasonable opinion. Nick Wright, Okay, well what did
you make of it? Jay? He's outraged that Kenny Pickett
didn't wedge his way in. Where are you?
Speaker 4 (08:24):
Well?
Speaker 6 (08:25):
Listen, I think you're a little high on the Broncos supply.
So here's a fun thing the Broncos, and then we
can work kind of backwards from there. The Broncos preseason
projected win total was eight and a half. They are
going to win eight or nine games right where they
were supposed to, and everyone's going to consider it a
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massive success because of how awful they were the first
five weeks of the year. And I give Sean Bayton
credit for pulling them out of the death spiral they
appeared to be in. But I don't think the Broncos
are legit. I think they are more pre tender than cuntender.
And that's not just for the Super Bowl. That's for
the playoffs. So I listen, everyone is just in love
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with the Buffalo Bills. Nine is obviously too high. Yes,
they are dangerous on a week to week basis, but
they are dangerous for themselves and for their opponent. They
seem to have a lame duck coach. But after that,
I think you did a very solid job here. My
only I'm not going to argue with you anymore about
the Chiefs. I'll just let you keep planting your flag.
There's a lot of teams better than them, and then
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they'll win the Super Bowl. You said something about the
Ravens Colin that you might have them a touch low.
I think you have them a touch high. I would
flip flop them in Dallas. I don't know about you.
I was watching Sunday night. The Ravens were up thirteen
to three on a hapless Chargers team, and I thought, oh,
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Baltimore absolutely could lose this game. Like of all the
really really good teams, they're the only one that a
ten point lead doesn't feel safe, and so I feel
like Baltimore is going to at some point in the
postseason have a game similar to the one Sunday where
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the offense just doesn't get going and they find a
way to lose. So the Ravens, to me, I would
have the Cowboys ahead of them. The Cowboys have played
poorly in my opinion, once all year twice if you
include the Cardinals game, but everyone has a hiccup game.
The Niners game, they played really poorly. Aside from that,
they look like a great team. Obviously, the Chiefs are excellent,
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and the Niners and Eagles win healthy for the Niners
and Eagles under any circumstances are excellent. So I think
for the most part, this is a you know, a
better than typical herd hierarchy. But the Broncos are about
to lose three straight and so I don't think they're
a top ten team. Three straight road games coming up, Colin,
they're gonna be dogs in all of them. I think
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they're gonna lose three straight.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Oh boy, let me ask you this. So I said
about Justin Fields, if you'll thirty three starts, if you
went to a stand up comedian for thirty three minutes
and you didn't laugh much, he's not that funny after
thirty three starts. What I saw CJ. Stroud do in
the first start, second start, it's like obviously accuracy seeing
the field like it's over right. We don't. I do
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think he'll get another chance, but like in Chicago, it's
over right. You have the draft Caleb.
Speaker 6 (11:22):
Well, and Well certainly like the Bears now are just
the biggest games for the Bears all year, the remaining
Panthers games. They need the Panthers to finish with the
worst record. The Panthers will probably help him out with that.
And then yes, obviously you draft Caleb Williams. And then
I I'm not ready to say Justin Fields can't work.
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I am ready to say he's not going to work
in Chicago. I said this before the deadline. It didn't happen,
but I wonder if it could happen this offseason, Colin,
what do you think of this? And there are other
people have speculated of this connection. Justin Fields for a
second round pick to Atlanta. Yes, Atlanta is indoors yep.
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Ton of speed and talent.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
On offense yep.
Speaker 6 (12:10):
They say they have a better defense than people think
that you could run an offense that works for him.
They don't have the quarterback there. It's not gonna be
Ritter for Atlanta. It's kind of a by low opportunity
in for Chicago, you get, you know, the forty fifth
pick of the draft to keep rebuilding your team. That's
the environment Colin that I think he had, because he.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Does show flashes.
Speaker 6 (12:34):
Yes, the reason it's hard for me to just give
up on him is I am more convinced Kenny Pickett
will never be an above average starter than Fields, even
though Pickett has had far more success, because Pickett never
makes me say wow, look at that Justin does. But
Justin also makes some terrible mistakes and has a lot
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of holes in his game.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
But still there.
Speaker 6 (12:58):
He's so big, he's so strong, and so gifted physically,
and I saw, you know, he's had some really good
moments as a passer as well. I wouldn't want to
give up on him. But if you're the Bears, you
obviously have to draft Caleb. If you end up with
the number one.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
Pick, think about this, Nick, they have two firsts. If
you could get a second, they'd have two seconds. They
already have a third and two fourths. That number four pick.
If you get Caleb, you could trade down six seven
spots still get an elite player and didn't get another
one their future one.
Speaker 6 (13:30):
If you's not that bad and they have a ton
of money. And listen what you just said. I heard
today on a very very popular podcast, What's Right with
Nick Right Tuesdays and Thursdays. You can get it wherever
you get your podcast that exact scenario, which is you draft. Listen.
If they were to end up with one and three,
I would draft Caleb and Marvin Harrison junior. But they're
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not going to end up with three. Their pick is
going to be five or six. They that's you, that's
you know, Joe All. There's the pins olignment, but they
used the tenth pick last year on an O alignment.
I love the idea for Chicago of drafting Caleb, trading
down from their own pick to acquire an additional first
rounder next year and really trying to rebuild with a
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bunch of blue Chippers. I think that you have Dj Moore.
I thought they paid a premium for Montes Sweat, but
then they did get him signed. You have a you know,
at least a potentially bright future, and you'll get something
for Justin. So I think that is absolutely the pack.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
I want to talk Cowboys for a second, because you
and I have always been a little bit of a pretender,
big brand, little hype, beat the bad teams, not the
good ones. But it's interesting about Mike McCarthy, and I
defended him. I said, knock on Mike McCarthy is late
game management, clock management, play calling. Yep, Kyle Shanahan's brilliant
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lost a twenty eight to three Super Bowl lead bad
play calling. Sean McVey gets dragged for it. Ball made
a mistake against the Chargers this weekend, Andy Reid and
Philly got crushed for it. Is that almost every coach
gets crushed for that unless you have a star quarterback
that just makes plays. So with Farv, Rogers and Dak
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they've all had arguably great years, sometimes their greatest. With
McCarthy and that what he gets dragged for. Is what
even McVeigh and Andy Reid get dragged for. It's hard,
it's fast, it's late game, there's analytics, there's pressure, and
that Mike McCarthy and Dak now have gone from being
overvalued to a tad undervalued in this league.
Speaker 6 (15:36):
That's how I felt going into the year, and it's why, Listen,
you're right that I have been, you know, over the
time that we've known each other, mostly a Cowboys skeptic.
But this year, with that defense, with I thought Dak
was poised for a bounce back season. Listen, Dak for
his career is fifth in NFL history and touchdown interception ratio.
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He has one year where he's a high interception guy,
and people started acting like that's who he's always been.
It's not who he's always been. So, you know, before
the year, I picked Dallas to win the conference. Obviously,
right now San Francisco it looks like they can't meet them,
and Philly has had the better season, but I think
Dallas is right there with those teams and as far
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as McCarthy goes, and I was having this discussion the
other day, those of us and I am at the
forefront of it that Pickett coaches for they're not aggressive enough,
or the clock management.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
Things like this.
Speaker 6 (16:35):
We're yet to find the perfect coach. It's not like
though there's any of us can be Like he's the
one who gets it right all the time. So like
Dan Campbell is great on fourth downs, but on actual
game management, clock management stuff has been lacking. We thought
our hero was going to be Brandon Staley. That didn't
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go well at all because he had a few fourth
downs go again he stopped doing it. Andy, like you said,
the two most brilliant play designer guys that we've ever
seen I shouldn't say we've ever seen, but the coaching
right now, Shanahan and Andy Reid struggle massively with some
of the game management stuff. Mike McDaniel, who everybody loves,
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if you remember the end of that playoff game last year,
he struggled with some of that stuff. And now he
had Skyler Thompson. You don't kill him for it, but
that's the only sample we have of him in that
super high leverage moment. I am coming around to this idea.
You know, maybe there isn't the perfect coach out there.
Maybe if the guys who get the most out of
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their players are going to struggle in this. The guys
who are great on the analytics stuff maybe aren't always
getting the most out of their players. Here's what I know.
The Cowboys are about to for the third straight season
win twelve or more games. Less than a dozen teams
in NFL history.
Speaker 4 (17:55):
Have done that.
Speaker 6 (17:56):
You can't do that without a good coach, quarterback, combo
and at the very least day of that and Dak
in a weird year, Dak if he balls out on
National TV on Thursday and then beats the Eagles on
National TV the next week, Dak Prescott very well might
end up being the leader for MVP going into the
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final few weeks of the season.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
So I don't remember if this was a topic. Oh,
this was a topic when you united a podcast, and
I want to revisit this.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
I got a lot of crap for years, and I
kind of leaned into it because I did believe it.
But I thought it was funny on the hat backward stuff.
And my takeaway is that Wednesday presser Bank sponsor, face
of the franchise most important presser after a game. I
understand you showered. It's a bit of a mess.
Speaker 4 (18:41):
I'll give you a.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
Little pass that Wednesday presser. Jalen Hurts is the most
quarterback eel presidential quarterback I've ever seen in my life.
He is virtually manicured, says the right stuff, succinct to
the point, no excuses. And I watch Philadelphia in the
second half. They're winning with maturity, They're winning with decision making.
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And I even as a Chiefs fan, when Mahomes broke
onto the scene, what we were blown away with is
that he was the same quarterback, winning, losing trailingly. It
never changed Hurts, maybe only the second guy, Brady Elway,
kind of in that class decision making, intelligence, resilience. I'm
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fascinated by him. And even you, as a Mahomes guy,
are we undervaluing how great Hurts is in these crisis moments.
Speaker 6 (19:36):
Yeah, I mean I think I think I certainly have
in the past, So there's a lot there. So you
mentioned Mahomes. One of my favorite Mahomes anecdotes ever, is
during the epic Josh Allen duel in the divisional round game,
the thirteen second game that, by the way, broke the
Bills franchise as I predicted years ago, and everyone laughed
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at me, would set that aside. He had one of
those devices on that measures your heart rate, and his
heart rate only spiked when the Chiefs offense.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
Was off the field.
Speaker 6 (20:11):
He was most calm when he would had the ball,
and most nervous when he didn't, when he wasn't in control,
when it's like, oh, this is out of my hands
and there is a And that always to me was
telling like, oh, his confidence is not fake. And there
was going around Twitter this weekend an interview from Jalen
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right before the draft where and I think it was
Jeremy Shapp I apologize if I get the interviewer wrong,
said to him as college record and said to him,
you know you only lost four times your whole college career.
You know it's going to be different in the NFL.
And Jalen not cocky, but very earnestly says, well, we'll see,
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and he seemed to just truly believe.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Well, I don't know.
Speaker 6 (21:00):
I've always been a winner, so I think I'll go
ahead and keep being a winner. And I did not
think Jalen played well at all in the first half
of the Chiefs game or the first half of the
Bills game. I thought he played poorly throughout big stretches
of those games, but then he comes through and makes
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the biggest plays, and his teammates believe he's going to
come through. And to me, it is so different. And
when you mentioned the press conference, I have watched now
and I'm not trying to pile on the bills because
I thought Josh Allen played awesome on Sunday. He just
came up on the wrong side of it. But I've
watched Josh Allen now for the better part of a
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month and a half, have escalating existential crises at these
press conferences, talk about being in low positive talk about
now I want to get too high. Well, you know
we're up against it, and you can see it on
his face and Jalen, now maybe it's because he hasn't
had a rough stretch and just even in wins is
just this is what we need to do better, this
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is what we did well. I know what the mission is,
and I do think for the leader of any industry
that cool earned confidence permeates the team. Where now the
Eagles are the only team in the league right now
other than Kansas City, that at every point of every
game believe not quite sure how we're gonna do it,
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but we're gonna find a way to win, and that
is top down leadership. Now, if they could just get
their coach to stop being a child on the sideline
and taunting fans and oppositions, I might actually like the Eagles,
but Sirianni ruins it for me.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
Nick Wright. As always, first things first on fire Good
see anybody see you, buddy? Yeah, Sirianni's young. He he's
a little sometimes out of control.
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Speaker 4 (23:12):
You can't pull the pin on a grenade and just
do that. Can you give us a hint? The sport.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
A lot of things going on right now behind the scenes.
You know, a team's getting ready to have sign to
justin fields. As you alluded, I've got ten.
Speaker 4 (23:26):
I've got ten teams in one field. You can laugh
all you want, I'm telling you there's a market all right.
Let's start with uh, Frank Reich.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
Obviously he was canned eleven games into his first season
with Carolina. I know the owner of the billionaire, he's
taken a lot of heat, understandably, so he's disappointment with
the development of Bryce Young is a big factor. But
here he is explaining his decision of fire Frank Reich.
Speaker 8 (23:47):
There's a lot that goes into you know what the
success on the field is every week, one of rosters
on the scheme, how you practice a lot of things.
And obviously we can be better in all faces of that.
Us a product on the field, it's just not good
enough right now. It just isn't and so we have
to try to make every one of those faces better,
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and whatever it takes to make it better, we're going
to try to do.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
Forget forget being a football team. If you ran a
company and you had six CEOs in seven years, would
you think it was well run? I mean, you can
you can rationalize all these decisions. This is not a
good day, it's not a good move. You can't keep
running through it. No top candidate wants anything to do
with this organization. Pittsburgh Steelers, in my entire life, have
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had three coaches. Nol Cower Tomlin. Now, sometimes they're loyal
to a fault. They got rid of Matt Canada. We
could go probably the right move, but that's how you
run a business. Green Bay generally takes their time on coaches.
Let them bake a little.
Speaker 4 (24:45):
Well, you know me, I'm gonna push back.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
So it's not like the Steelers were running one in
ten and they just rolled up kept rolling out the
same coach.
Speaker 4 (24:52):
Tepper had a good quote.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
He said, I have patience, but that comes with progress
and performance.
Speaker 4 (24:58):
And let's be real, we could pull back the curt
a little bit.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
If I had come on the show and the ratings
had gone down and we were arguing, I wouldn't still
be here.
Speaker 6 (25:05):
You know.
Speaker 4 (25:05):
That's the truth.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
If there were problems, you would have been like, hey,
this isn't working. We move on, and I gotta give
the guy a little credit, like it wasn't working with right,
there's zero progress.
Speaker 4 (25:15):
Well, race Young doesn't look any better in week twelve
than he did in week one.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
Okay, but this is probably well, I don't even think
it's probably it's the worst offensive roster in the league.
They're going from a certain offense to a different offense,
and the GM didn't get them the right players for
this offense, so they're just trying to make it up
with a rookie quarterback as they go. They don't have
the personnel. This is like the Patriots with Warmer Weather.
They're one of the slowest teams in the league. They
got no playmakers everywhere. Belichick's not winning. This is what
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when you don't have playmakers in twenty twenty three. It's
not nineteen seventy three. Belichick looks like he's lost his touch. Belichick,
they don't have any playmakers. The only way for Carolina
and New England to score is like thirteen play drives,
and you can't do it with a rookie quarterback or
mac Jones because they make too many mistakes.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
So I'm looking up the Texans. They started zero to two,
right CJ. Stroud did not look good. Okay, he has
made growth. The team has developed progress. It's not like
the roster changed material.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
But tang Dell Nico Collins, they've.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
Actually they in week one theybody but.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
Again, they're speed players, they're playmakers. I mean, Carolina doesn't
have a single player, a breakaway player, like, not one
there is now. Now I'm not saying Reich's up for
Coach of the Year, but this roster is offensively I
would say this New England has a better offensive roster
than this.
Speaker 4 (26:36):
Oh stop it, who are they?
Speaker 9 (26:38):
Who?
Speaker 4 (26:38):
New England is the anybody? But that's also Belichick is
pulled in the string.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
I think there's a little receiving course better than Carolina's,
and I don't think much of New England's. I mean
it's it's I don't.
Speaker 4 (26:49):
Want to waste anybody's time. We going to break down
those two crap offenses.
Speaker 6 (26:53):
But I don't know.
Speaker 4 (26:54):
I'm not totally defending Temper, but I don't know Colin.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
Progress matters and and performance matters, and Frank Reich was
underachieving all right.
Speaker 4 (27:01):
Next story, there was an interesting moment on the sidelines.
Oh look at this.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
During Bill's Eagles for the TV viewing audience, Shaq Lawson
got up in the face of an Eagles fan. Uh and,
and Shaq Lawson was jawjacking with this punk. You know
this guy wanted to go viral, obviously, this meatball. Lowson
issued an apology on social media, saying that the fan
made threatening remarks about him and his family.
Speaker 4 (27:23):
That does not excuse his actions.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
Now, there's another thing that happened in the NBA last
night with Russell Westbrook.
Speaker 4 (27:29):
We haven't talked about yet. We will get to that.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
Listen, this player fan stuff is tricky. I'm not there's
not a right enter rong.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
I'm overwhelmingly supportive of players. I do think you should
just stay away, but I don't like pe way just
stay away. Well, I mean, I've been at games with
obnoxious fans. I think it's I've said this before. If
I owned a team, I get rid of obnoxious fans.
See yah, there's some of these stadiums are gonna be
half empty if you knew that. No, come on, man,
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one percent of fans are jerks. This guy's just looking
for trouble. I'd boot him out of the stadium and
say watch us on this.
Speaker 4 (28:02):
Is there a line?
Speaker 1 (28:03):
Yeah, no, no, no, no. I don't think Westbrooker shack loss
and should. I think it's easy to say ignore it,
ignore it. And obviously Russell Westbrook has really struggled with
this mature but I also think it's obnoxious. And I've
sat next to fans that are obnoxious and I'd throw
them out of the arena. I'd have no problem. The
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idea the customer's always right. No, no, no, Sometimes the
customers are jerking, you throw them out of the rest.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
Everybody agrees with that, But what about the player, like
shack laws, Well, yes.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
I think it's always I mean, I don't think you
should ever respond to that stuff ever, but it's it's easier.
These are twenty three year old athletes and twenty five
year old athletes, and people get personal and say things.
I mean, I've I've I've been at stadiums, I've heard it.
I think stadiums need to do a better job of
throwing fans out, and you know, I so, I'm I.
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I am always on the side of throw the fan
out over the player being really deeply bother. That said,
Westbrook has a brand, he's got shoe deals, and he
can't get in the space of that. You have to
just say you're a schmuck. I'm out. But I don't, like,
I'm not going to support these fans that do that crap.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
I'm no what on a personal level, I know you're
a man of the community. You're out and about glad
handing like you're a mayor of the town. Have you
ever had a guy start talking track to you and
get in your face and say anything.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
Probably at some point, I just how do you handle that?
I just walk away.
Speaker 4 (29:28):
I just don't get I don't need a bigger man.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
Well. I also don't hang out in areas with people
that are you know that like that? So I mean,
but if I did, it's just you smile, walk away.
Let fans need to win, right They're out there busting
their hump. They're spending them what little money they have.
They get in bad moods. You give them three beers.
They do dumb stuff. I don't like it, but I think, listen,
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we have a great life. Westbrook has a great life.
Shack loss and has a great life. Chances are that
fan doesn't have his quality of life is that those
people do, so like, just let him do their thing.
I'm gonna again, the responsibility for me is on the
front offices and the ownership groups to get rid of
jerky fans. I would have get them out. And I
think it's a very If you go to an NBA game,
there may be nine people in that arena that are inappropriate,
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and there's twenty two thousand in the arena. It's a
tiny number. Most fans are just they're down there. And
by the way, they're easy to spot any game you
go to by the second year, second court there half
the time they come into the stadium all liquored up,
so you can spot them instantly. I would just say, hey,
appreciate it, money back.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
See you be honest, a total candor. Has there been
a moment where you were like, man, I wish this
guy would say something.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
I wish I just don't get into that.
Speaker 4 (30:39):
You know, you don't get it. Just it just doesn't
I'll be honest. There's been a couple of times.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
You know, basketball, yeah, but you're you're a gun show guy.
I'm not. You're out there with your basketball.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
Well, I mean.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
Sometimes on the basketball court guys will jokingly then.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
You're playing in a supporting event I'm talking about.
Speaker 4 (30:54):
I came back maybe a little too hard, Yeah, and
a couple.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
Of people laughed, and the guy got he got in
my I was like, dude, you were joking on me.
Speaker 4 (31:02):
Why can't I come back at you.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
You can't be the guy who can only you know,
dish it out and not take it.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
If you can't, we got wouldn't compare your rec league
game to the situation in New York. That's a star
player and a drunk fan. I'm I'm not at no,
Miah mosgof Thursday night in the playoffs. Anyway, next story.
Speaker 4 (31:20):
The Giants have.
Speaker 3 (31:21):
Managed back to back wins with Tommy DeVito at QB
Danny Jones recovering from the a cl GM. Joe Shane
said they expect Daniel to be the quarterback one healthy,
but but they will be looking closely at their quarterback
room in this offseason.
Speaker 10 (31:38):
I think we're gonna have to do something in the quarterback,
whether it's free agency or or the draft. I mean,
just where we are, Tyrod's contracts up, you know, de
Vito is obviously on our contract, and Daniel, you know,
we don't know when he's gonna be ready. So, you know,
just from an off season program standpoint, you know, I
think that'll be a position that we'll we'll have to
look again. There's different avenues free agency or the draft,
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but we'll have to address it at some point justin field.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
Yeah, So they're going to be drafting right now, somewhere
in the eight to fifteen range. I don't think they're
going to go for like a quarterback there, so Justin
fields is.
Speaker 4 (32:14):
That's my prediction. He would be a name to watch.
Fits the profile of a guy Daboll.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
Could work with. Yeah, I don't think it's a bad take.
Jmack with the news.
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Speaker 1 (33:52):
People don't know what to do when they see something
that's new and different, and Jim Harbaugh is that all
those Ohio State Buckeye fans railing and laughing and mocking
Jim Harbaugh now have the second best coach in the rivalry.
Nothing against Ryan Day, but he can't beat Harball and
certainly there's no proof he could get to a Super Bowl. Harball, though,
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had a moment yesterday and I kind of agree with it,
and I kind of don't about the intensity of the
rivalry Ohio State and Michigan.
Speaker 11 (34:26):
The student athletes that are they are you know, young kids,
young adults that are playing this game, and all we
asked them to do is go out there and play
their very best. I think that is it's very manufactured
for the TV show that that people want to want
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to watch and see. But it's not healthy. It's not
healthy for the for the student athletes on either side.
When you're trying to put that much, you know, somebody's practically,
you know, thinking it's life or death.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
Now, in principle, I do agree with Harball, and I
think ninety nine percent of fans get it. But one
of the things the media does get right and we
miss a lot, is how we treat college athletes. We're
not nearly as harsh on them, nor should we be.
We're just not as harsh on college sophomores juniors. Maybe
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once they get drafted it changes or as they get
ready for the draft process. But I will say the
difference between the basketball and football culture in America, I
like the football. I prefer the latter. Our basketball culture
is perpetual coddling. It's not healthy. It creates immature players,
and the percentages of busts in the NBA draft are
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through the roof the football culture. They're coached hard, occasionally
screamed at, ridiculed, mocked, mostly in a reasonable fashion. They
are the media doesn't really take out the sledgehammer very rarely,
very infrequently on college guys, but it does create players
who are hardened, coachable, and mature. I think the basketball
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culture in America is in a crisis. I watched John
Morant's personal life Zion, and I say to myself, what's
wrong with it? They're talented? Have they been coddled, given
too much too early? I don't have answers. But what
college football's culture does create, and it's not always pretty,
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is mostly mature players ready to produce, producing now at
the top programs, and eternally grateful for the opportunity. Harbe
is right, some people can't handle it. It is not
life or death. But in America, I would take the
current football culture over the basketball culture, which Steve Kerr
recently talked about the aau In said it's actually a
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negative for players' growth college basketball guys. In fact, basketball
players don't even have to go to college. The top
four picks in this past draft were from four different leagues.
I'm not sure if that's a great thing. Maybe it is,
maybe it isn't. But I like our football culture. At times,
a small percentage of people go over the top. But
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I think it's a very small group of people. And
by and large, I like the college system. I like
what it creates. I like what it produces, coachable young men,
willing to play hard, emotionally, physically, ready to produce like
a C. J. Stroud the minute they arrive. Now for
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last night's most embarrassing NBA loss, And it wasn't the
Lakers getting shelled. It wasn't by the Sixers. No, it
was the paper clips, as Jason calls them. The Denver
Nuggets didn't have the best player in the league, Jokic,
nor their second best player, Jamal Murray, or their third
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best player Aaron Gordon. The Clippers had all four of
their stars Kawhi Paul George Harden. Westbrook. Not only did
they lose to Denver, they fell apart in the fourth
quarter with all their go to stars and had only
four field goals. DeAndre Jordan last night twenty one points. Dude,
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I didn't even know he played anymore. Anybody who thought
this hardened Westbrook thing was going to work. No reason
for me to make it personal. You fanboys just keep
taking L's year after year. They're below average shooting threes
twenty fifth and assists per game. Neither really wants to
defend on a regular basis. Westbrook Harden on the floor
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together is a minus forty three, the worst combo on
the team. Again, no reason to make it personal, but
I can assure you not everybody in this organization known
as the LA Clippers loved all these moves, especially Harden.
Chemistry matters, sharing the ball matters, committing the defense matters.
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After the game, Russell Westbrook had an incident with a fan. Again,
I don't like how fans Street Westbrook. I'm not a
huge fan of the player, but he's a human being.
He works his tail off, he plays hard all the time,
and fans can go absolutely over the top. Westbrook talked
about the moment after.
Speaker 9 (39:25):
You know, fansy, they can say whatever they want. You know,
I'm not gonna say it now because it's not appropriate,
But I'm just protecting myself just unfortunately transty. They can't
get away with saying anything, and I won't personally, I
won't allow it to coronto. You know, people say anything,
you know, getting away with it, but.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
I won't stand for it now. In fairness, Westbrook went
to the staff and said, earlier this year, I'll come
off the bench. I thought that was a team move.
You know Harden wouldn't do that. But again, the worst
loss last night was not the Lakers. When you have
your four stars and you're playing backups for Denver and
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they don't have their best three players, and not only
did the Denver Nuggets beat you, they destroy you in
the fourth quarter. Jerry West is still connected to the Clippers.
You cannot convince me Jerry West supported the hardened to
the Clippers move. I don't believe it. I don't believe it.
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All his years understanding chemistry and balance, no way he
supported it. I just you can't. You can't talk me
into that unless I seen the sign document that Jerry
West defended it. But it's not working. And last night
as bad. No Jokics, no Murray, no Gordon DeAndre Jordan
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lighting it of. They brought him into be a locker
room guy, not even play all right, findal hour. We
got a lot of stuff. We've got stuff happening our
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On a Tuesday, Jim Harbaugh discussions later this hour. I'm
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America's team. Very exciting times. America's team is no longer
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the Cowboys, It's the Michigan Wolverine.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Yeah. I can't tell if Harbor is going to be
the next Bill's coach or charges coach.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
I'm just kind of waffling between the two.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
No reason to leave college football. He's the king.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
That's a great point, except for that money thing that
was clapped earlier with all the NFL folks is making a.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Big, big bang.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Yeah, and crazy owners that fire you if you don't
win immediately.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
What about the crazy boosters in college football?
Speaker 1 (01:13):
That's more southern thing, don't you think it's see look
at Ohio State. Well, yeahs trying to run Ryan Day
out of town.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
That's crazy.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Well again, that's the lunatics. That's not most lunatic fringe. Yeah,
most people are not that, all right, it's the herd hierarchy.
Top ten teams in the NFL. You're you're gonna blanch it.
Maybe a couple of them. But here we go, heard hierarchy.
Speaker 5 (01:40):
Time, Now go the top ten NFL teams according to
College number.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Ten Right now today, Denver is a top ten team.
Five and oh since Week seven. For the five teams
they've beaten, have winning records, allowing sixteen points a game,
best turnover differential in the league. Excellent backs, power football,
young young, athletic defense, good enough receivers Mims Cortland, Sutton,
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Jerry Judy, Dulcic coming back at tight end. Twenty touchdowns,
four picks for Russell Wilson this morning. That is a
top ten team in the NFL. Number nine Buffalo. Listen,
they're crazy, but six of their losses are by six points.
They are what they were three years ago. Josh Allen
leads the NFL with twenty four touchdown passes and thirteen
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picks and sixteen total giveaways. They're one of the more
penalized teams in the NFL. In fact, I think they're
the most penalized team. This is what they are. They're
not buttoned up. I called them the Mike Tyson Just
depends on who they fight. They'll knock you out in
the first round or lose a close fight late because
they're bad on the details. But you can't tell me
they're not a top ten team in the league. They
had Philadelphia beaten about three different times in that football
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game in Philadelphia number eight Miami. I have my issues
with them. The speedboat of the NFL. They're one in
three against teams that are five hundred. Are better, but
we have to be fair. If I'm gonna support Russell
Wilson with Sean Payton, I gotta support TUA with Mike McDaniels.
TUA under Mike McDaniels sixteen wins, eight losses, sixty seven
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percent completion percentage, passer rating at one zero four point six.
It's a good team. They don't have the defensive Denver,
but Tua with this coach and these weapons, feels like
a playoff team to me. Miami at eight. Number seven
Detroit love their offensive line and ability to control the
clock with the run game. Jared Goff's gotten sloppy in
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the last couple of weeks. They have a hole on
this team that is going to take him out of
the Super Bowl running. They're bad on the back end
of their defense, and I'm not sure this coaching staff
can solve it. They're just not They don't have the
personnel in the back end. They're like the Chargers. They
can outplay and lose because they give up cheap stuff
on the back end. But they have the number one
ranked offensive line, the number two total offense. They can
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win shootout, and they are capable of winning a playoff game.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Detroit number six.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
I like Jacksonville, least penalized team in the NFL. Only
unefeated team on the road this year. Do you know
that six and zero on the road? That says something
six and oh on the road this year? I like Jacksonville.
Do I think they can win a Super Bowl?
Speaker 6 (04:18):
No?
Speaker 1 (04:18):
That's my top four teams in the league. My top
four teams. I think are super Bowl teams. Jacksonville can
win on the road, star quarterback, clever offensive coach. I
got him at six, number five. Dallas, they crush the
teams they should. You do get credit for that. Now
they've played the easiest schedule in the NFL and they've
beaten up on the dregs of the league. But again
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you get credit for that. Their remaining five games are
much much tougher. They play Seattle Eagles, Bills, Dolphins, Lions.
Let's be fair with Dak. Over his last six games,
he's been terrific. Eighteen tds, two picks. We gotta be
fair the Ceedee Lamb Dak combination. He's got a Burrow,
Jamar Chase Field to it. It's big boy football. Dallas
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at number five, number four, and here my super Bowl teams, Baltimore.
I may have them one spot low. Listen, Baltimore's got
the number one rush offense and the number two scoring defense.
I like them. They're fast, they're physical opposing quarterbacks. Passer
rating seventy two, lowest in the league. Again, I may
have them a spot low, but I think if they
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played my number three team tomorrow, I take my number
three teams. So Baltimore's at four, Number three in Kansas
City by an inch. Keep your eye on Rashi Rice.
Looks like he could be their number one receiver. So
I've said I think they have a bunch of threes.
Rashi Rice, he was a second round kid, may become
the number one. They also showed they can score in
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the second half. They've also, let's be fair, with Kansas
City played the second hardest schedule. I still have doubts
about their second half offense. It was the Raiders, but
Rashi Rice, his growth is really interesting. Number two San Francisco.
When Trent Williams plays, they win eight and one. They
leave the NFL and turnover differential. I think they have
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the most weapons in the NFL. Philadelphia beats everybody narrowly.
They can blow people out. If they have their people,
they blow people out. Debo Christian Kittle, I yuk. Those
are dudes, and I think they can beat you in
multiple ways. So I have San Francisco at number two.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Number one.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Listen Philadelphia thirty one consecutive weeks. They've had the best
record in the league. It's choppy, it's inartistic, but they're
seven and one in one score games their O line
D line combination is excellent. They are not a perfect team.
You can beat them downfield. My top four teams are
the teams I believe this morning should be favorites and
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can hoist a trophy. Philadelphia one, San Francisco two, Kansas
City three, and Baltimore four. I don't know what to
do with Baltimore. I think for the second week in
a row, I take his I probably have them low.
I do not think Dallas hoist a trophy, but I
think they're the closest team to not doing it. With
Jacksonville that could potentially do it, but won't Jamak Your
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initial thought.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
Oh my goodness. So I was looking around my desk.
I need a flag to throw. So I all like
if it was his tissue box, Calbert, what are you?
We're the Pittsburgh Steelers. Were the Houston Texans?
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Twelve?
Speaker 4 (07:19):
No, no, no, this this doesn't work.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
Come out, This doesn't even This is Detroit Lions at seven.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
All right, let me name Let me just name the
quarterbacks on this list, not the teams. Jalen Hurts, you
love Purty mahomes Lamar Jackson, dak Trevor, Lawrence goff to
a Josh Allen, Russell Wilson, Kenny Pikett.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
Oh, so what was just naming the best quarterbacks of
the best team.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
I don't know right now, best quarterback mostly wins the division.
Interest you can't listen, Mike Tomlin Coach of the Year.
There's no way I can put Denver right now. You
have to unsee September. Denver is playing. They've beaten Kansas City,
they've beaten Buffalo, They're beating good.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
So now this sample size is like four or five games,
so we're basically That's why Denvers had.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
A place where it used to work. Nobody had courage.
They would just list standings. That's not how I roll here.
I'm telling you the best teams this week. Let's go
to a reasonable opinion. Nick Wright, Okay, well what did
you make of it? Jay? He's outraged that Kenny Pickett
didn't wedge his way in. Where are you?
Speaker 4 (08:24):
Well?
Speaker 6 (08:25):
Listen, I think you're a little high on the Broncos supply.
So here's a fun thing the Broncos, and then we
can work kind of backwards from there. The Broncos preseason
projected win total was eight and a half. They are
going to win eight or nine games right where they
were supposed to, and everyone's going to consider it a
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massive success because of how awful they were the first
five weeks of the year. And I give Sean Bayton
credit for pulling them out of the death spiral they
appeared to be in. But I don't think the Broncos
are legit. I think they are more pre tender than cuntender.
And that's not just for the Super Bowl. That's for
the playoffs. So I listen, everyone is just in love
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with the Buffalo Bills. Nine is obviously too high. Yes,
they are dangerous on a week to week basis, but
they are dangerous for themselves and for their opponent. They
seem to have a lame duck coach. But after that,
I think you did a very solid job here. My
only I'm not going to argue with you anymore about
the Chiefs. I'll just let you keep planting your flag.
There's a lot of teams better than them, and then
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they'll win the Super Bowl. You said something about the
Ravens Colin that you might have them a touch low.
I think you have them a touch high. I would
flip flop them in Dallas. I don't know about you.
I was watching Sunday night. The Ravens were up thirteen
to three on a hapless Chargers team, and I thought, oh,
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Baltimore absolutely could lose this game. Like of all the
really really good teams, they're the only one that a
ten point lead doesn't feel safe, and so I feel
like Baltimore is going to at some point in the
postseason have a game similar to the one Sunday where
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the offense just doesn't get going and they find a
way to lose. So the Ravens, to me, I would
have the Cowboys ahead of them. The Cowboys have played
poorly in my opinion, once all year twice if you
include the Cardinals game, but everyone has a hiccup game.
The Niners game, they played really poorly. Aside from that,
they look like a great team. Obviously, the Chiefs are excellent,
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and the Niners and Eagles win healthy for the Niners
and Eagles under any circumstances are excellent. So I think
for the most part, this is a you know, a
better than typical herd hierarchy. But the Broncos are about
to lose three straight and so I don't think they're
a top ten team. Three straight road games coming up, Colin,
they're gonna be dogs in all of them. I think
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they're gonna lose three straight.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Oh boy, let me ask you this. So I said
about Justin Fields, if you'll thirty three starts, if you
went to a stand up comedian for thirty three minutes
and you didn't laugh much, he's not that funny after
thirty three starts. What I saw CJ. Stroud do in
the first start, second start, it's like obviously accuracy seeing
the field like it's over right. We don't. I do
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think he'll get another chance, but like in Chicago, it's
over right. You have the draft Caleb.
Speaker 6 (11:22):
Well, and Well certainly like the Bears now are just
the biggest games for the Bears all year, the remaining
Panthers games. They need the Panthers to finish with the
worst record. The Panthers will probably help him out with that.
And then yes, obviously you draft Caleb Williams. And then
I I'm not ready to say Justin Fields can't work.
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I am ready to say he's not going to work
in Chicago. I said this before the deadline. It didn't happen,
but I wonder if it could happen this offseason, Colin,
what do you think of this? And there are other
people have speculated of this connection. Justin Fields for a
second round pick to Atlanta. Yes, Atlanta is indoors yep.
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Ton of speed and talent.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
On offense yep.
Speaker 6 (12:10):
They say they have a better defense than people think
that you could run an offense that works for him.
They don't have the quarterback there. It's not gonna be
Ritter for Atlanta. It's kind of a by low opportunity
in for Chicago, you get, you know, the forty fifth
pick of the draft to keep rebuilding your team. That's
the environment Colin that I think he had, because he.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Does show flashes.
Speaker 6 (12:34):
Yes, the reason it's hard for me to just give
up on him is I am more convinced Kenny Pickett
will never be an above average starter than Fields, even
though Pickett has had far more success, because Pickett never
makes me say wow, look at that Justin does. But
Justin also makes some terrible mistakes and has a lot
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of holes in his game.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
But still there.
Speaker 6 (12:58):
He's so big, he's so strong, and so gifted physically,
and I saw, you know, he's had some really good
moments as a passer as well. I wouldn't want to
give up on him. But if you're the Bears, you
obviously have to draft Caleb. If you end up with
the number one.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
Pick, think about this, Nick, they have two firsts. If
you could get a second, they'd have two seconds. They
already have a third and two fourths. That number four pick.
If you get Caleb, you could trade down six seven
spots still get an elite player and didn't get another
one their future one.
Speaker 6 (13:30):
If you's not that bad and they have a ton
of money. And listen what you just said. I heard
today on a very very popular podcast, What's Right with
Nick Right Tuesdays and Thursdays. You can get it wherever
you get your podcast that exact scenario, which is you draft. Listen.
If they were to end up with one and three,
I would draft Caleb and Marvin Harrison junior. But they're
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not going to end up with three. Their pick is
going to be five or six. They that's you, that's
you know, Joe All. There's the pins olignment, but they
used the tenth pick last year on an O alignment.
I love the idea for Chicago of drafting Caleb, trading
down from their own pick to acquire an additional first
rounder next year and really trying to rebuild with a
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bunch of blue Chippers. I think that you have Dj Moore.
I thought they paid a premium for Montes Sweat, but
then they did get him signed. You have a you know,
at least a potentially bright future, and you'll get something
for Justin. So I think that is absolutely the pack.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
I want to talk Cowboys for a second, because you
and I have always been a little bit of a pretender,
big brand, little hype, beat the bad teams, not the
good ones. But it's interesting about Mike McCarthy, and I
defended him. I said, knock on Mike McCarthy is late
game management, clock management, play calling. Yep, Kyle Shanahan's brilliant
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lost a twenty eight to three Super Bowl lead bad
play calling. Sean McVey gets dragged for it. Ball made
a mistake against the Chargers this weekend, Andy Reid and
Philly got crushed for it. Is that almost every coach
gets crushed for that unless you have a star quarterback
that just makes plays. So with Farv, Rogers and Dak
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they've all had arguably great years, sometimes their greatest. With
McCarthy and that what he gets dragged for. Is what
even McVeigh and Andy Reid get dragged for. It's hard,
it's fast, it's late game, there's analytics, there's pressure, and
that Mike McCarthy and Dak now have gone from being
overvalued to a tad undervalued in this league.
Speaker 6 (15:36):
That's how I felt going into the year, and it's why, Listen,
you're right that I have been, you know, over the
time that we've known each other, mostly a Cowboys skeptic.
But this year, with that defense, with I thought Dak
was poised for a bounce back season. Listen, Dak for
his career is fifth in NFL history and touchdown interception ratio.
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He has one year where he's a high interception guy,
and people started acting like that's who he's always been.
It's not who he's always been. So, you know, before
the year, I picked Dallas to win the conference. Obviously,
right now San Francisco it looks like they can't meet them,
and Philly has had the better season, but I think
Dallas is right there with those teams and as far
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as McCarthy goes, and I was having this discussion the
other day, those of us and I am at the
forefront of it that Pickett coaches for they're not aggressive enough,
or the clock management.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
Things like this.
Speaker 6 (16:35):
We're yet to find the perfect coach. It's not like
though there's any of us can be Like he's the
one who gets it right all the time. So like
Dan Campbell is great on fourth downs, but on actual
game management, clock management stuff has been lacking. We thought
our hero was going to be Brandon Staley. That didn't
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go well at all because he had a few fourth
downs go again he stopped doing it. Andy, like you said,
the two most brilliant play designer guys that we've ever
seen I shouldn't say we've ever seen, but the coaching
right now, Shanahan and Andy Reid struggle massively with some
of the game management stuff. Mike McDaniel, who everybody loves,
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if you remember the end of that playoff game last year,
he struggled with some of that stuff. And now he
had Skyler Thompson. You don't kill him for it, but
that's the only sample we have of him in that
super high leverage moment. I am coming around to this idea.
You know, maybe there isn't the perfect coach out there.
Maybe if the guys who get the most out of
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their players are going to struggle in this. The guys
who are great on the analytics stuff maybe aren't always
getting the most out of their players. Here's what I know.
The Cowboys are about to for the third straight season
win twelve or more games. Less than a dozen teams
in NFL history.
Speaker 4 (17:55):
Have done that.
Speaker 6 (17:56):
You can't do that without a good coach, quarterback, combo
and at the very least day of that and Dak
in a weird year, Dak if he balls out on
National TV on Thursday and then beats the Eagles on
National TV the next week, Dak Prescott very well might
end up being the leader for MVP going into the
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final few weeks of the season.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
So I don't remember if this was a topic. Oh,
this was a topic when you united a podcast, and
I want to revisit this.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
I got a lot of crap for years, and I
kind of leaned into it because I did believe it.
But I thought it was funny on the hat backward stuff.
And my takeaway is that Wednesday presser Bank sponsor, face
of the franchise most important presser after a game. I
understand you showered. It's a bit of a mess.
Speaker 4 (18:41):
I'll give you a.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
Little pass that Wednesday presser. Jalen Hurts is the most
quarterback eel presidential quarterback I've ever seen in my life.
He is virtually manicured, says the right stuff, succinct to
the point, no excuses. And I watch Philadelphia in the
second half. They're winning with maturity, They're winning with decision making.
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And I even as a Chiefs fan, when Mahomes broke
onto the scene, what we were blown away with is
that he was the same quarterback, winning, losing trailingly. It
never changed Hurts, maybe only the second guy, Brady Elway,
kind of in that class decision making, intelligence, resilience. I'm
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fascinated by him. And even you, as a Mahomes guy,
are we undervaluing how great Hurts is in these crisis moments.
Speaker 6 (19:36):
Yeah, I mean I think I think I certainly have
in the past, So there's a lot there. So you
mentioned Mahomes. One of my favorite Mahomes anecdotes ever, is
during the epic Josh Allen duel in the divisional round game,
the thirteen second game that, by the way, broke the
Bills franchise as I predicted years ago, and everyone laughed
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at me, would set that aside. He had one of
those devices on that measures your heart rate, and his
heart rate only spiked when the Chiefs offense.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
Was off the field.
Speaker 6 (20:11):
He was most calm when he would had the ball,
and most nervous when he didn't, when he wasn't in control,
when it's like, oh, this is out of my hands
and there is a And that always to me was
telling like, oh, his confidence is not fake. And there
was going around Twitter this weekend an interview from Jalen
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right before the draft where and I think it was
Jeremy Shapp I apologize if I get the interviewer wrong,
said to him as college record and said to him,
you know you only lost four times your whole college career.
You know it's going to be different in the NFL.
And Jalen not cocky, but very earnestly says, well, we'll see,
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and he seemed to just truly believe.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Well, I don't know.
Speaker 6 (21:00):
I've always been a winner, so I think I'll go
ahead and keep being a winner. And I did not
think Jalen played well at all in the first half
of the Chiefs game or the first half of the
Bills game. I thought he played poorly throughout big stretches
of those games, but then he comes through and makes
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the biggest plays, and his teammates believe he's going to
come through. And to me, it is so different. And
when you mentioned the press conference, I have watched now
and I'm not trying to pile on the bills because
I thought Josh Allen played awesome on Sunday. He just
came up on the wrong side of it. But I've
watched Josh Allen now for the better part of a
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month and a half, have escalating existential crises at these
press conferences, talk about being in low positive talk about
now I want to get too high. Well, you know
we're up against it, and you can see it on
his face and Jalen, now maybe it's because he hasn't
had a rough stretch and just even in wins is
just this is what we need to do better, this
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is what we did well. I know what the mission is,
and I do think for the leader of any industry
that cool earned confidence permeates the team. Where now the
Eagles are the only team in the league right now
other than Kansas City, that at every point of every
game believe not quite sure how we're gonna do it,
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but we're gonna find a way to win, and that
is top down leadership. Now, if they could just get
their coach to stop being a child on the sideline
and taunting fans and oppositions, I might actually like the Eagles,
but Sirianni ruins it for me.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
Nick Wright. As always, first things first on fire Good
see anybody see you, buddy? Yeah, Sirianni's young. He he's
a little sometimes out of control.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
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Speaker 1 (22:59):
And have some breaking news next hour. Getting a few
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Speaker 7 (23:06):
No turns, This is the Herdline news.
Speaker 4 (23:12):
You can't pull the pin on a grenade and just
do that. Can you give us a hint? The sport.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
A lot of things going on right now behind the scenes.
You know, a team's getting ready to have sign to
justin fields. As you alluded, I've got ten.
Speaker 4 (23:26):
I've got ten teams in one field. You can laugh
all you want, I'm telling you there's a market all right.
Let's start with uh, Frank Reich.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
Obviously he was canned eleven games into his first season
with Carolina. I know the owner of the billionaire, he's
taken a lot of heat, understandably, so he's disappointment with
the development of Bryce Young is a big factor. But
here he is explaining his decision of fire Frank Reich.
Speaker 8 (23:47):
There's a lot that goes into you know what the
success on the field is every week, one of rosters
on the scheme, how you practice a lot of things.
And obviously we can be better in all faces of that.
Us a product on the field, it's just not good
enough right now. It just isn't and so we have
to try to make every one of those faces better,
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and whatever it takes to make it better, we're going
to try to do.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
Forget forget being a football team. If you ran a
company and you had six CEOs in seven years, would
you think it was well run? I mean, you can
you can rationalize all these decisions. This is not a
good day, it's not a good move. You can't keep
running through it. No top candidate wants anything to do
with this organization. Pittsburgh Steelers, in my entire life, have
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had three coaches. Nol Cower Tomlin. Now, sometimes they're loyal
to a fault. They got rid of Matt Canada. We
could go probably the right move, but that's how you
run a business. Green Bay generally takes their time on coaches.
Let them bake a little.
Speaker 4 (24:45):
Well, you know me, I'm gonna push back.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
So it's not like the Steelers were running one in
ten and they just rolled up kept rolling out the
same coach.
Speaker 4 (24:52):
Tepper had a good quote.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
He said, I have patience, but that comes with progress
and performance.
Speaker 4 (24:58):
And let's be real, we could pull back the curt
a little bit.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
If I had come on the show and the ratings
had gone down and we were arguing, I wouldn't still
be here.
Speaker 6 (25:05):
You know.
Speaker 4 (25:05):
That's the truth.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
If there were problems, you would have been like, hey,
this isn't working. We move on, and I gotta give
the guy a little credit, like it wasn't working with right,
there's zero progress.
Speaker 4 (25:15):
Well, race Young doesn't look any better in week twelve
than he did in week one.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
Okay, but this is probably well, I don't even think
it's probably it's the worst offensive roster in the league.
They're going from a certain offense to a different offense,
and the GM didn't get them the right players for
this offense, so they're just trying to make it up
with a rookie quarterback as they go. They don't have
the personnel. This is like the Patriots with Warmer Weather.
They're one of the slowest teams in the league. They
got no playmakers everywhere. Belichick's not winning. This is what
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when you don't have playmakers in twenty twenty three. It's
not nineteen seventy three. Belichick looks like he's lost his touch. Belichick,
they don't have any playmakers. The only way for Carolina
and New England to score is like thirteen play drives,
and you can't do it with a rookie quarterback or
mac Jones because they make too many mistakes.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
So I'm looking up the Texans. They started zero to two,
right CJ. Stroud did not look good. Okay, he has
made growth. The team has developed progress. It's not like
the roster changed material.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
But tang Dell Nico Collins, they've.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
Actually they in week one theybody but.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
Again, they're speed players, they're playmakers. I mean, Carolina doesn't
have a single player, a breakaway player, like, not one
there is now. Now I'm not saying Reich's up for
Coach of the Year, but this roster is offensively I
would say this New England has a better offensive roster
than this.
Speaker 4 (26:36):
Oh stop it, who are they?
Speaker 9 (26:38):
Who?
Speaker 4 (26:38):
New England is the anybody? But that's also Belichick is
pulled in the string.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
I think there's a little receiving course better than Carolina's,
and I don't think much of New England's. I mean
it's it's I don't.
Speaker 4 (26:49):
Want to waste anybody's time. We going to break down
those two crap offenses.
Speaker 6 (26:53):
But I don't know.
Speaker 4 (26:54):
I'm not totally defending Temper, but I don't know Colin.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
Progress matters and and performance matters, and Frank Reich was
underachieving all right.
Speaker 4 (27:01):
Next story, there was an interesting moment on the sidelines.
Oh look at this.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
During Bill's Eagles for the TV viewing audience, Shaq Lawson
got up in the face of an Eagles fan. Uh and,
and Shaq Lawson was jawjacking with this punk. You know
this guy wanted to go viral, obviously, this meatball. Lowson
issued an apology on social media, saying that the fan
made threatening remarks about him and his family.
Speaker 4 (27:23):
That does not excuse his actions.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
Now, there's another thing that happened in the NBA last
night with Russell Westbrook.
Speaker 4 (27:29):
We haven't talked about yet. We will get to that.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
Listen, this player fan stuff is tricky. I'm not there's
not a right enter rong.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
I'm overwhelmingly supportive of players. I do think you should
just stay away, but I don't like pe way just
stay away. Well, I mean, I've been at games with
obnoxious fans. I think it's I've said this before. If
I owned a team, I get rid of obnoxious fans.
See yah, there's some of these stadiums are gonna be
half empty if you knew that. No, come on, man,
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one percent of fans are jerks. This guy's just looking
for trouble. I'd boot him out of the stadium and
say watch us on this.
Speaker 4 (28:02):
Is there a line?
Speaker 1 (28:03):
Yeah, no, no, no, no. I don't think Westbrooker shack loss
and should. I think it's easy to say ignore it,
ignore it. And obviously Russell Westbrook has really struggled with
this mature but I also think it's obnoxious. And I've
sat next to fans that are obnoxious and I'd throw
them out of the arena. I'd have no problem. The
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idea the customer's always right. No, no, no, Sometimes the
customers are jerking, you throw them out of the rest.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
Everybody agrees with that, But what about the player, like
shack laws, Well, yes.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
I think it's always I mean, I don't think you
should ever respond to that stuff ever, but it's it's easier.
These are twenty three year old athletes and twenty five
year old athletes, and people get personal and say things.
I mean, I've I've I've been at stadiums, I've heard it.
I think stadiums need to do a better job of
throwing fans out, and you know, I so, I'm I.
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I am always on the side of throw the fan
out over the player being really deeply bother. That said,
Westbrook has a brand, he's got shoe deals, and he
can't get in the space of that. You have to
just say you're a schmuck. I'm out. But I don't, like,
I'm not going to support these fans that do that crap.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
I'm no what on a personal level, I know you're
a man of the community. You're out and about glad
handing like you're a mayor of the town. Have you
ever had a guy start talking track to you and
get in your face and say anything.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
Probably at some point, I just how do you handle that?
I just walk away.
Speaker 4 (29:28):
I just don't get I don't need a bigger man.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
Well. I also don't hang out in areas with people
that are you know that like that? So I mean,
but if I did, it's just you smile, walk away.
Let fans need to win, right They're out there busting
their hump. They're spending them what little money they have.
They get in bad moods. You give them three beers.
They do dumb stuff. I don't like it, but I think, listen,
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we have a great life. Westbrook has a great life.
Shack loss and has a great life. Chances are that
fan doesn't have his quality of life is that those
people do, so like, just let him do their thing.
I'm gonna again, the responsibility for me is on the
front offices and the ownership groups to get rid of
jerky fans. I would have get them out. And I
think it's a very If you go to an NBA game,
there may be nine people in that arena that are inappropriate,
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and there's twenty two thousand in the arena. It's a
tiny number. Most fans are just they're down there. And
by the way, they're easy to spot any game you
go to by the second year, second court there half
the time they come into the stadium all liquored up,
so you can spot them instantly. I would just say, hey,
appreciate it, money back.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
See you be honest, a total candor. Has there been
a moment where you were like, man, I wish this
guy would say something.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
I wish I just don't get into that.
Speaker 4 (30:39):
You know, you don't get it. Just it just doesn't
I'll be honest. There's been a couple of times.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
You know, basketball, yeah, but you're you're a gun show guy.
I'm not. You're out there with your basketball.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
Well, I mean.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
Sometimes on the basketball court guys will jokingly then.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
You're playing in a supporting event I'm talking about.
Speaker 4 (30:54):
I came back maybe a little too hard, Yeah, and
a couple.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
Of people laughed, and the guy got he got in
my I was like, dude, you were joking on me.
Speaker 4 (31:02):
Why can't I come back at you.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
You can't be the guy who can only you know,
dish it out and not take it.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
If you can't, we got wouldn't compare your rec league
game to the situation in New York. That's a star
player and a drunk fan. I'm I'm not at no,
Miah mosgof Thursday night in the playoffs. Anyway, next story.
Speaker 4 (31:20):
The Giants have.
Speaker 3 (31:21):
Managed back to back wins with Tommy DeVito at QB
Danny Jones recovering from the a cl GM. Joe Shane
said they expect Daniel to be the quarterback one healthy,
but but they will be looking closely at their quarterback
room in this offseason.
Speaker 10 (31:38):
I think we're gonna have to do something in the quarterback,
whether it's free agency or or the draft. I mean,
just where we are, Tyrod's contracts up, you know, de
Vito is obviously on our contract, and Daniel, you know,
we don't know when he's gonna be ready. So, you know,
just from an off season program standpoint, you know, I
think that'll be a position that we'll we'll have to
look again. There's different avenues free agency or the draft,
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but we'll have to address it at some point justin field.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
Yeah, So they're going to be drafting right now, somewhere
in the eight to fifteen range. I don't think they're
going to go for like a quarterback there, so Justin
fields is.
Speaker 4 (32:14):
That's my prediction. He would be a name to watch.
Fits the profile of a guy Daboll.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
Could work with. Yeah, I don't think it's a bad take.
Jmack with the news.
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Speaker 1 (33:52):
People don't know what to do when they see something
that's new and different, and Jim Harbaugh is that all
those Ohio State Buckeye fans railing and laughing and mocking
Jim Harbaugh now have the second best coach in the rivalry.
Nothing against Ryan Day, but he can't beat Harball and
certainly there's no proof he could get to a Super Bowl. Harball, though,
(34:16):
had a moment yesterday and I kind of agree with it,
and I kind of don't about the intensity of the
rivalry Ohio State and Michigan.
Speaker 11 (34:26):
The student athletes that are they are you know, young kids,
young adults that are playing this game, and all we
asked them to do is go out there and play
their very best. I think that is it's very manufactured
for the TV show that that people want to want
(34:47):
to watch and see. But it's not healthy. It's not
healthy for the for the student athletes on either side.
When you're trying to put that much, you know, somebody's practically,
you know, thinking it's life or death.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
Now, in principle, I do agree with Harball, and I
think ninety nine percent of fans get it. But one
of the things the media does get right and we
miss a lot, is how we treat college athletes. We're
not nearly as harsh on them, nor should we be.
We're just not as harsh on college sophomores juniors. Maybe
(35:26):
once they get drafted it changes or as they get
ready for the draft process. But I will say the
difference between the basketball and football culture in America, I
like the football. I prefer the latter. Our basketball culture
is perpetual coddling. It's not healthy. It creates immature players,
and the percentages of busts in the NBA draft are
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through the roof the football culture. They're coached hard, occasionally
screamed at, ridiculed, mocked, mostly in a reasonable fashion. They
are the media doesn't really take out the sledgehammer very rarely,
very infrequently on college guys, but it does create players
who are hardened, coachable, and mature. I think the basketball
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culture in America is in a crisis. I watched John
Morant's personal life Zion, and I say to myself, what's
wrong with it? They're talented? Have they been coddled, given
too much too early? I don't have answers. But what
college football's culture does create, and it's not always pretty,
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is mostly mature players ready to produce, producing now at
the top programs, and eternally grateful for the opportunity. Harbe
is right, some people can't handle it. It is not
life or death. But in America, I would take the
current football culture over the basketball culture, which Steve Kerr
recently talked about the aau In said it's actually a
(36:55):
negative for players' growth college basketball guys. In fact, basketball
players don't even have to go to college. The top
four picks in this past draft were from four different leagues.
I'm not sure if that's a great thing. Maybe it is,
maybe it isn't. But I like our football culture. At times,
a small percentage of people go over the top. But
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I think it's a very small group of people. And
by and large, I like the college system. I like
what it creates. I like what it produces, coachable young men,
willing to play hard, emotionally, physically, ready to produce like
a C. J. Stroud the minute they arrive. Now for
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last night's most embarrassing NBA loss, And it wasn't the
Lakers getting shelled. It wasn't by the Sixers. No, it
was the paper clips, as Jason calls them. The Denver
Nuggets didn't have the best player in the league, Jokic,
nor their second best player, Jamal Murray, or their third
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best player Aaron Gordon. The Clippers had all four of
their stars Kawhi Paul George Harden. Westbrook. Not only did
they lose to Denver, they fell apart in the fourth
quarter with all their go to stars and had only
four field goals. DeAndre Jordan last night twenty one points. Dude,
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I didn't even know he played anymore. Anybody who thought
this hardened Westbrook thing was going to work. No reason
for me to make it personal. You fanboys just keep
taking L's year after year. They're below average shooting threes
twenty fifth and assists per game. Neither really wants to
defend on a regular basis. Westbrook Harden on the floor
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together is a minus forty three, the worst combo on
the team. Again, no reason to make it personal, but
I can assure you not everybody in this organization known
as the LA Clippers loved all these moves, especially Harden.
Chemistry matters, sharing the ball matters, committing the defense matters.
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After the game, Russell Westbrook had an incident with a fan. Again,
I don't like how fans Street Westbrook. I'm not a
huge fan of the player, but he's a human being.
He works his tail off, he plays hard all the time,
and fans can go absolutely over the top. Westbrook talked
about the moment after.
Speaker 9 (39:25):
You know, fansy, they can say whatever they want. You know,
I'm not gonna say it now because it's not appropriate,
But I'm just protecting myself just unfortunately transty. They can't
get away with saying anything, and I won't personally, I
won't allow it to coronto. You know, people say anything,
you know, getting away with it, but.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
I won't stand for it now. In fairness, Westbrook went
to the staff and said, earlier this year, I'll come
off the bench. I thought that was a team move.
You know Harden wouldn't do that. But again, the worst
loss last night was not the Lakers. When you have
your four stars and you're playing backups for Denver and
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they don't have their best three players, and not only
did the Denver Nuggets beat you, they destroy you in
the fourth quarter. Jerry West is still connected to the Clippers.
You cannot convince me Jerry West supported the hardened to
the Clippers move. I don't believe it. I don't believe it.
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All his years understanding chemistry and balance, no way he
supported it. I just you can't. You can't talk me
into that unless I seen the sign document that Jerry
West defended it. But it's not working. And last night
as bad. No Jokics, no Murray, no Gordon DeAndre Jordan
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lighting it of. They brought him into be a locker
room guy, not even play all right, findal hour. We
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