August 6, 2025 • 41 mins
Colin talks about Cowboys owner Jerry Jones' ways of trying to get a deal done with Micah Parsons
He also talks to HOF offensive lineman Joe Thomas about the Browns QB conundrum, what he likes about Shedeur Sanders, why older quarterbacks hate taking hits, and more
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 3 (00:26):
There we go. It is a Wednesday. It is our
number two.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Joe Thomas, one of the all time greats the Hall
of Fame, and Ducty in the class at twenty twenty three,
one of the top four five six left tackles of
all time.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
We'll be joining us. He calls the.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Preseason games for the Cleveland Browns, which this year are fascinating.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
So I was thinking about this.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
J Mack is saying, how can you defend Jerry Jones
when he's negotiating with Michael Parsons. So the reason I
do like, I'm kind of split fifty to fifty. I
don't always side with a player. But Jerry Jones is
discussing negotiations. He is openly discussing negotiations. Michael Parsons says
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a year left in his contract in Cincinnati. They won't
even we don't even start the conversation. Mike Brown hides
from you.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
Oh so that's the bar, the Cincinnati Bengals of the bar.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
You have no legal obligation to sign somebody do a
contract a year early. We've got a CBA, We've got
all this stuff figured out there. You're now The other
one is, well, Micah has outperformed his contract.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
No he hasn't.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
He's a pro bowler in the top of the first round.
The player selected either before or after him, Rareshaun Slater,
left tackle, more valuable position, arguably also been a pro bowler.
Now he got paid, but he didn't out perform as contract.
You're a top fifteen player, you're a pro bowler. You
should be, especially if you're in And I think left tackles,
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and I said this yesterday, quarterbacks the most important position
in football.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Left tackle.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Second, if you get a left tackle like Mishaan Slater,
you sign him.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Edge rushers, uh, quarterback.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Left tackle dominant interior d lineman over edge rusher. There
aren't any I mean, we can all who's the best
defensive interior lineman ever? Regi White second best, Aaron Donald
third best, Chris Jones is up there, like there's not
many great interior defensive line. There's a lot of great
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edge rusher. The league's got eight to ten good ones.
There's a kid named Jared Verse for the Rams. That
kid is he not even top five yet he looks
like it can be Lawrence Taylor in a year. So
I like Micah, but Jerry is openly discussing the contract
a year early.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
And Micah has.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Been an excellent player, but the ID is wildly outperforming
his contract.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
No, he's not.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
He's he has been a hit. You view first round
picks as hits or misses. He is an absolute hit.
He's clearly Jerry's open to paying him because he's negotiating.
If your company comes to you a year before and hey,
let's talk about a contract that's happened to me once
in my career, you end up signing it early, earlier
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than you normally would. That's a good sign. They like you,
but you know they're I don't think. Here's Jerry Jones
this week on the Micah Parsons negotiations.
Speaker 5 (03:29):
I bought the Dallas Cowboys with a handshake. Took about
thirty seconds and gave the number, shook hands. The details
we worked out later. As a matter of fact, one
of the details involved a lot of money and we
had to flip a coin over that. But the fundamental
I'm buying and you're going to sell it to me
for that range. That's done, and those are done with
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eye contact and handshake. In the case of a player
or contract, you have to have it in writing. All
parties do have a contract in writing. Yet we're still
talking about and renegotiating it.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
Yeah, got a contract. We're a year out, we're talking
about it. And player contracts are different. That's why you
have a CBA. You don't have a CBA on buying
a team, you know, even though it's a bigger deal,
A lot of deal.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
I don't care if it's.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
A Facebook buying Instagram, a lot of that stuff. I mean,
I remember, I can tell you a company I used
to work at, in the company I currently work at,
they had a deal. They probably agreed initially over a table,
you know, in a big office with the oak table
and chairs, and they priace that down and then then
they said, okay, lawyers, you figured out we've agreed to it.
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And player contracts are a little different with that. Joe
Thomas the all time great left tackle for the Cleveland Browns,
one of the best ever calling the Browns preseason games.
So my lead story today was, there's this bubbling story
I'm hearing that I think is fairly ridiculous, that the
Browns are sabotaging chaduor Sanders. My only practicing with the
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ones one day, and I reminded the audience that Josh
Dobbs played with the Vikings without a practice, Baker Mayfield
played with Sean McMahon the Rams with one practice, and
Shadeur's been at Mini camps OTA's training.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
He'll be fine.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
But I have to ask you, Joe, you've probably heard
these claims too, that some people think the Browns don't
want him to succeed. Is it a small story or
is it bigger than it should be?
Speaker 6 (05:33):
Well, it's bigger than it should be because Shador Sanders
is a huge star. He was one of the biggest
stars in college football for several years and the biggest
story of the draft was him falling all the way
to the fifth round and the Brown's taking him. And
he's got a lot of people that really believe in him.
They're huge fans of him from when he was in college,
and they want to see him succeed. And what's the
best way for him to succeed is if he just
was planted as the day one starter.
Speaker 7 (05:54):
As soon as he walks through the door.
Speaker 6 (05:56):
In Cleveland, he gets all the reps and no matter
what happens, you put him out there and starting guy.
But that's not what Cleveland drafted him with a mindset
of right, they got him in the fifth round is
a great value. They've got a bunch of other quarterbacks
on the roster and they want to give equal playing
time and equal reps to everybody not named Joe Flacco
to see who's going to separate themselves so that as
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you get later in training camp, now you've got a
little bit more of a pecking order of where your
quarterbacks are, and you.
Speaker 7 (06:22):
Give that guy a little bit more reps.
Speaker 6 (06:23):
So right now, it's just a matter of the situation
that he's in with Dylan Gabriel and Kenny Pickett and themselves,
where there's flitting reps between all those guys. And I
get it if you're a shadoras anders to, and then
you want to see him get all the reps and
you're mad and you're going to come up with a
conspiracy theory, like the Browns don't want him to win
and they don't want him to be the starting quarterback.
Speaker 7 (06:40):
But really the reality is this is just a situation.
Speaker 6 (06:42):
He's competing with two other young guys to see who's
going to be the one that comes out of after
the first or second preseason game as the clear number
two option, and then he gets a few more reps.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
So there was an it was interesting.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
I was I don't know who was doing the interview,
but I heard Brock pretty talking about this in the
last twenty four hours. He talked about and brought pretty
six to one and Purty's like about forty percent of
the time, I don't see where I'm throwing it. That's
my first my first look, I can't see where I'm
throwing it. Tua has talked about this, like there are
times I can't see offensive linemen like Joe Thomas or
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six seven right. And so I was never a Dylan
Gabriel believer. I watched him at Oregon. It might take
his folks. He's small, so I always thought I would
have drafted Shaudu or just on size and accuracy, and
by the way, Dylan Gabriel played with better teammates at
Oregon than Shaduor did, and was more accurate at Colorado
with the battle line of no run game. Right now,
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from what you've seen, okay, I'm talking, you've seen it
live or you've seen it, is Dylan ahead of Shadu
or do you believe he is?
Speaker 7 (07:49):
I don't think he is. I think Shadeur is ahead
of Dylan right now. Wow. Dylan clearly has some things
that he does really well.
Speaker 6 (07:54):
Obviously, his mobility, his ability to get outside the pocket,
make plays when you can see because he doesn't have
to worry about throwing from in the pocket. But the
challenge of being a short quarterback, especially in the NFL
and NFL passing offenses, is that you have to throw
to a spot a lot of times. You have to
build that trust and that understanding of looking at the
structure of the defense, knowing where the ball needs to go,
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and then having some blind faith that when you throw
it to that spot, your guy's going to be there.
And that takes a lot more time than if you
are being able to see the guy actually coming open.
You're able to see the windows and so far Chadur
has I think, in my opinion, outplayed Dylan at this
point in training camp, because Dylan's had some struggles with accuracy,
and Chadur, although it's not been great with the procedural
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side of things, when he's up there under the center
and he's trying to make calls and adjustments at the
line of scrimmage, he's getting everybody lined up the snap
count when.
Speaker 7 (08:44):
The ball gets snapped.
Speaker 6 (08:45):
He's been pretty accurate and pretty impressive with some of
the big time plays that he's made. And I think
that's why a lot of Browns fans are really excited
to see him on Friday, as he's going to be
the starter against the Panthers in their preseason game. Because
he's a gamer, right and so gamers they rise to
that occasion and we expect to see some great plays
out of him on Friday, some of those wow moments
that he's become known for.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
So that's really interesting, Joe.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
So, because I'm I can only go on clips, but
when I watch Dylan Gabriel, there are times he gets
lost behind the offensive line.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
I can't see him. I mean literally, and this is
not a knock on the kid.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
This was This was my big question coming into I
want my ideal quarterback size. Josh Allen's an outlier. Most
guys aren't that big. It's like Justin Herbert six' five.
STURDY i just think it, Matters so. LISTEN i didn't
like the speeding. TICKETS i didn't like LEGENDARY i didn't
like that. Stuff but by and, large it seems Like
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shader is pretty pretty. LIKABLE i mean it. IS i
mean the, vibe body. LANGUAGE i mean to, me he's
like a nice. Kid his judgment can be the speeding,
tickets you, know bother me as. SOMEBODY i don't even
like when guys put their hat on, backwards so speeding
tickets really bother. Me how is he what's the vibe
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around like?
Speaker 4 (10:03):
It what is he?
Speaker 1 (10:04):
Like oh, Boy, joe that is. Trouble so what is
his vibe at? Practice it's been, Great.
Speaker 6 (10:11):
AND i think anybody that's been his teammate At colorado
or before that and now with The Cleveland browns will
say that he's doing the right. Things when he's out.
There he's incredible in. Meetings he shows up, early he stays,
late he's watching the. Film he's being diligent with his note,
taking and SO i Think Shador, sanders the, player the
leader inside that locker, room has been awesome to your,
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point like he's gained some.
Speaker 7 (10:33):
Attention, one he's a huge. Star so anything you.
Speaker 6 (10:36):
Do off the, field he's got to start to understand
he's going to have extra eyeballs on, him extra, scrutiny
and so some of the speeding tickets and those other,
things like all it does is just bring bad attention to.
You and you don't need any of those distractions as
you're trying to win this starting quarterback. Job but as
far as when he's been in the, building the guys
are really loving him here In.
Speaker 7 (10:53):
Cleveland SO.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
I said this About Aaron. RODGERS i, said there's certain
things that are. TRUE i, said when you're an older
quarterback and you've got A Super bowl and you've got your,
money Like Aaron, rodgers there are things you do you're
not willing to do that you were at thirty, one
and that is get hit a. Lot and if you
don't trust your old, Line aaron's not gonna sit back
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there and take one in the Teeth like it's not
going to. Happen so with The, jets a lot of
short passes he. DIDN'T i don't blame. Him Eli manning
didn't want to get hit at the. End brady was practicing.
Falling LIKE i get, It. Steve this is Why i've
never Bought pittsburgh For. Aaron they have struggled for six
years with the old. LINE pff has The jets all
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line better Than pittsburgh's last year and going into this,
year And aaron didn't trust The jets all. Line SO
i want you to talk about that older, quarterbacks and
you played with a lot of, them did you notice
that the younger quarterback will sit in there or maybe
he can. Escape but older quarterbacks do see the world
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differently after they've been in this league eight to ten.
Speaker 7 (12:04):
Years, yeah young, quarterbacks they don't know any, better.
Speaker 6 (12:08):
Right their youth is their, ignorance and it serves them
well because they're willing to stand in there and they're
willing to take those hits right in the. Chops and
at first it might not hurt too much because you
see the success that it brings when you are able
to hang on just other half a second. Longer you're
delivering the football down the field and you're throwing the touchdown.
Pass but as you become an older, player you know
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your body just can't handle those, hits and so you
do try to get the ball out. Quicker you try
to speed up that process in your. Mind but the challenge,
is how DO i speed up that process without speeding
up my footwork too?
Speaker 7 (12:39):
Far where Now i'm out of.
Speaker 6 (12:40):
Rhythm i'm taking footwork And i'm stepping up into these
throws and the receivers are not out of their brakes,
yet and so you want to make sure that your
timing of your drop and the routes are still in.
Combination but you also do need to at certain times
be able to hang in in there and wait for
that receiver to get to that next window so you
can deliver the. Football and you got to just, accept,
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Hey i'm gonna get hit on this, one but the
team needs me right. Here AND i think that remains
to be seen a little bit With Aaron rodgers because
he's never been a guy that loved being hit.
Speaker 7 (13:08):
Him he's never been a huge, guy but he's always
had great.
Speaker 6 (13:10):
Feet he's always been able to extend the play get
out of the pocket with his, athleticism and we really
didn't see that with The jets and so, far coming
out of The steelers screening, camp there's been some conversation
about him not really showing great, mobility not showing an
ability to escape the, pocket escape the, rush and that
comes into question then about how much is he willing
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to be able to just stand in there and extend
the play if he can't do it with his feet
anymore and he's not willing to take the hits in the.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Pocket all, right we're gonna circle back To. Cleveland my
prediction Was flacco is the. STARTER i said this before.
Camp they're going to move off picket at some point
to get a draft picked next, year maybe a six
or seventh, rounder and the young guys will both be
on the ROSTER a his, backups that's my, take and
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they're going to get. Both the young guys are going
to get in preseason. Now Dylan gabriel's banged, up So
shadur could take the lead with a good One. Friday
So i'm Going, Flacco shadure And dylan that's my. Order
And pickett will be. Moved somebody will lose a. Quarterback
he's a capable, backup and we still Have Toshaan, watson
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but that's you know he's not gonna. Play what if
you had to guess an order with three or four
quarterbacks In?
Speaker 3 (14:22):
Cleveland what is?
Speaker 7 (14:24):
IT i think you're onto something right.
Speaker 6 (14:27):
There i'm not sure That Kenny Pickett i'm gonna take
it To vegas that he's getting, traded but it certainly makes.
Sense Right he's a guy that's got, Experience he's a
first round draft. Choice, clearly this league relies on great quarterback,
play and if you don't work out on one, spot
if you still got that, talent you're going to at
least get one or two more.
Speaker 7 (14:43):
Chances SO i can see him being.
Speaker 6 (14:46):
Traded And i'm definitely thinking That shauder when the season,
comes is going to be that number two, guy because
depending on how the season shakes, out there's going to
be a point in the middle possibly where they're, saying all,
Right flacco has done a good, job but we're not
score enough points and we want to get an opportunity.
Speaker 7 (15:02):
To look at one of these younger.
Speaker 6 (15:03):
Guys AND i think at that point you're going to, say,
hey we want to have reps With.
Speaker 7 (15:07):
Shadoor we want to see. Him can he be that?
Speaker 6 (15:10):
Playmaker can he be that gamer that he was in
college that we saw in, preseason maybe because they got
to figure out going in the next season with their
two first round draft, choices if that's going to be
a quarterback or do we have the quarterback spot figured
out and we got that solved and we can use
that on weapons around. Him so that's a very important
question that's outstanding still that they need to answer at
some point this.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
Season, well great stuff From Joe, thomas The hall Of,
famer ten Time pro bowl, er a top five or
six left Tackle i've ever seen. Play it is great seeing.
You we appreciate the insight your feet on the ground
there AND i appreciate.
Speaker 5 (15:40):
It.
Speaker 7 (15:40):
Bud, yeah thanks for having me on kin you.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
Bad that's really.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
Interesting so you, know we asked, him you've seen him both,
play and he said he Likes shador Over Dylan, gabriel
AND i said before the, Draft dylan looks small and
the clips still all the AND i watch Every browns,
clip every brown CLIP i. Get there are TIMES i
lose it AND i can't see. Him i'm not blaming the,
kid but He dylan also played At. Oregon oregon's GOT
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nfl guys, everywhere so that that's an advantage, Right, uh
you can throw a lot of either way balls In
oregon and their. Touchdowns colorado had a battle, line no run,
game And shador had to throw on the run a.
Lot he had to throw a beat fast a. Lot
and SO i think over, time, uh that size. MATTERS
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i think what happens is a guy like a guy
Like Russell wilson comes into the league and has success
at five eleven six foot and everybody's, like you, know,
yeah a little, guy and everybody, gets, oh let's Draft
Johnny Manziel and the best little QUARTERBACK i saw WHEN
i was a kid growing up was Fran tarkins and
played At georgia and The.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
Vikings most quarterbacks were like six. Four there were big.
Guys they're big.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Guys uh and and And Johnny mandil didn't work And russell.
Did BUT i Mean tua has come out and said
a lot of TIMES i can't see that brought pretty.
Interview it's like forty percent of the Time i'm, Throwing
i'm just trusting a receiver that that's the reality of
Being And brock is six foot six foot, one SO
i Think shaduur is. Taller i've also seen multiple pieces of.
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Video When shaduur has his helmet, off this is kind of.
Weird but when he has his helmet, off whe he's
in street, clothes And i've seen him standing around, people
and he's a big. Kid I'm i'm six one and
a half And i've seen him standing next to coaches
THAT i. Know we're six feet and he's clearly bigger than.
That he's bigger than. Me he's taller than, me And
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i'm and and SO i think that stuff. MATTERS i
think over the course of reps and practice and you
get a clear line of, SIGHT i think it. Matters
So Joe thomas Said flacco And, Shaduur that's WHAT i.
Think Kenny Piicketts. Soufie you want to if you're drafting two,
quarterbacks you want to see if they can. Play what's
the point the show's not going to?
Speaker 3 (17:55):
Play? Flaco is we know What Kenny pickett?
Speaker 4 (17:59):
Is you don't.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
Know you don't know What Dylan gabriel is or shit
or in a real. GAME i want to see. IT
i drafted. HIM i want to see.
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Speaker 1 (18:58):
Best cleveland Has browns Play friday Against, carolina and because
of multiple injuries and they don't need to See Joe flacco,
play chadur will get the. NOD i can't wait to
watch It friday Against. Carolina jmack with The.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
News this is The Herd Line.
Speaker 8 (19:18):
News i'm gonna start this hour with a small team
from The midwest known as The Kansas City. Chiefs they've
had a pretty decent run during this near dynastic stretch
Here Colin Patrick mahomes TOLD Usa today there's stuff we've
got to get better, at especially. Myself this plays on
the football field THAT i didn't make last, year That
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i've made in previous. Years at the end of the,
Day i'm gonna do whatever it takes to, win whether
that's passing for a lot of yards not.
Speaker 4 (19:44):
Passing for a lot of. Yards BUT i think.
Speaker 8 (19:46):
IF i play, better that's gonna make it better for the.
Team well said by a great. Leader, obviously his receiver
stunk last year and they should be much much improved this.
Year i'm gonna hate some crow when this team makes.
Speaker 4 (19:59):
It, layouts AREN'T I, no.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
It's the division's. Tough you, know it's funny they're. There
you KNOW i said this. Earlier the Minute brady, retired
everybody was just ready to Say mahomes is the BEST.
A brady played him in The Super, bowl blew him.
Out brady played him in THE afc playoff game In
arrowhead beat. Him but you, know it shouldn't be lost
on anybody That mahomes has been blown out twice In Super.
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Bowls brady loses Every Super bowl he Lost David tyree,
Catch Mario manningham catch The Philly. Special one of the
great things About brady he just doesn't get blown out
ever in Those Super. Bowls he wins or he loses
close and and and there's a. Variation there's a variable With.
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Mahomes and just just before we you, know And i'm
not just saying this Because brady's At, fox BUT i
know we're ready with mahomes success to just annoyed. Him.
King just just Remember brady on the way out had
the last, word way out of his, Prime way way
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out of his.
Speaker 8 (21:07):
Prime is this your way of Saying mahomes is coming
off a really bad year where he was not a
top four quarterback in the.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
League pretty?
Speaker 4 (21:15):
TRUE i, mean it's pretty.
Speaker 8 (21:16):
TRUE i know certain chiefs fans of this network are
losing their mind hearing, that But i'm, sorry it's just the.
Speaker 4 (21:22):
Facts let's move.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
On to That brady didn't have one of the great
offensive coaches in league.
Speaker 8 (21:28):
History, Well josh, McDaniels, right he was phenomenal as a
head coach in. Debt oh, no he was terrible and
fired almost. Instantly, okay let's move on to The. Rams
Colin Devonte adams was on The pivot podcast and talked
about the most interesting first round pick from this.
Speaker 4 (21:45):
Year's, Draft Jacksonville Travis.
Speaker 10 (21:46):
Hunter i'm not even concerned so much if he can
do it over the course of a game or a.
Season it's more, like how long is his career going to?
Be if he's playing that many, snaps.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
You gotta put.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
UP i want to see him on. Offense you, know
in the, seventies maybe you put him at corner, First
but TODAY i need twelve, targets ten, catches And i'd
READ i WOULD i had him in returning. KICKS i
would have him doing as much AS i could to
guarantee if he gets four, kickoffs he gets twelve TARGET
i want the ball in his. Hands you can be
(22:22):
a great, corner Soa Saft gardner And Patrick shirtan Before
Sean payton doesn't mean you're a playoff. Team you can
win games much more easily on the offensive side than
the defensive. SIDE i can't wait to watch. Him you,
know this is really.
Speaker 8 (22:36):
Interesting there's a huge disconnect between fans and players on
This Travis hunter. Thing BECAUSE i REMEMBER i hosted and
had a player in here and he was, like no way.
Speaker 4 (22:45):
Can Travis hunter play both?
Speaker 8 (22:47):
Ways now you Got Devonte adams, saying, yeah that's not gonna.
Work other players have come out and, said, yeah this
is not a good. Idea, meanwhile fans are, like he
could do, it why? Not like they just don't Understand,
colin that this is going to be little mission impossible
For Travis hunter to tackle and defend and then quick
turnaround and now you're running routes and Catching like you,
said what ten ten balls on twelve?
Speaker 4 (23:08):
Targets it's.
Speaker 8 (23:09):
It you can't do it and be successful for a
full season or.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
Career i'll tell you what it's easier to do that
then pitch at an all star level and be an
all star power hitter like Shoe Heyo tani that, there people,
wave this is easier the football. Part i'd rather, say
how about? This can you throw at a major league
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level and Get major League baseball hitters? Out or can
you make a tackle on a running?
Speaker 4 (23:39):
Back what is with?
Speaker 1 (23:40):
That?
Speaker 4 (23:41):
Look a tackle on a running? Back?
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Colin have you seen what what show He otani is?
Doing doesn't even make sense that he's A he's literally
an all star, pitcher all star bas, eater all star power,
Hitter All star average. Hitter you're saying That Travis hunter
couldn't return, punts be a, receiver and occasionally you'd put
him in on pass.
Speaker 8 (24:03):
Cover, wait he hasn't done it yet in the. Pros
let's see if he. CAN i don't think he could do.
IT i think it's way more taxing on your body Than.
Otani were you bat three or four times a, game,
Right that's what's so hard about.
Speaker 4 (24:14):
That the pitching is every what three or four? Days kyle.
Speaker 8 (24:17):
IT i think If Travis hunter pulled it, off that's
way tougher than what o'tani's doing at a high. Level
like he could do it and get cooked and be
a terrible. Quarterback but to do it at a high,
LEVEL i Think Travis hunter.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
Lot baseball is more skilled than football. Pitching it's an
art form hitting at the major league. Level you have
to be in the batting cage for a decade before
you ever get into a major dag. Cage Antonio gage
made The hall Of. Fame he didn't play college. Football
he was.
Speaker 8 (24:46):
Just a tight end and he wasn't playing both. Ways
you know what else is inn art form? Tackling Derrick
Henry okay go look that go look up that.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
Art there's there's One Derek call.
Speaker 8 (24:55):
And there's One christian, McCaffrey and there's One Saquon, barkley
and there's One James. Cook, like come on tackling these, Guys,
COLIN i think you're. Way we need to get somebody
From jacksonville on the show next week if.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
Possible all, right next, Up. Colin final.
Speaker 8 (25:08):
Story The colts just announced That Anthony richardson will get
the first crack at the starting. Job he will start
in these first preseason game this.
Speaker 4 (25:18):
Weekend Daniel jones.
Speaker 8 (25:20):
Aka Danny dimes is the backup and buried here in
the notes third.
Speaker 4 (25:25):
String are you ready for?
Speaker 8 (25:26):
It Riley, leonard your favorite Former Duke Notre dame quarterback
breathing down the neck Of Vanilla vic Aka Daniel.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
Dimes what are they saying About Riley leonard's.
Speaker 4 (25:37):
Camp they're not saying anything because he's a non.
Speaker 8 (25:41):
Factor it's all About Anthony richardson Versus Daniel. Jones if
anything On Riley. Leonard they're still talking about that drive
that he, had okay to open the.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
Championship remember a couple of years ago when people made
fun of me On Joe. Milton remember that that was
a Big. Joe well he was In New england the
backup and.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
Right, YEAH i, said.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
You, guys just watch the kid's got a. Cannon great
kid can. Work if you heard The Joe milton, stories very.
Interesting go look Up Joe.
Speaker 8 (26:15):
Milton, yeah hold on, THAT i, MEAN i MEAN i
maybe i'p late to the. Game Joe MILTON nfl stats
he played in one game was twenty two or twenty?
Nine get me a good in area? Seven twenty two
of twenty?
Speaker 3 (26:26):
Nine what is? He Joe?
Speaker 4 (26:27):
Montana, well is it like a week eighteen?
Speaker 2 (26:29):
Game?
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Bro?
Speaker 4 (26:30):
WHAT i don't?
Speaker 5 (26:31):
Know what DO i?
Speaker 3 (26:31):
See two of twenty? NINE i don't care if it's week.
Speaker 8 (26:35):
Thirty he's throwing against ups drivers In december in a
meaningless game that The patriots.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
Go look at Where Joe milton is currently. At by the, Way.
Speaker 4 (26:46):
Joe milton is currently on The Dallas.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
Cowboys interesting ONE nfl, start one eleven passer.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
Rating you just go ahead and laugh at My riley.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
Laughing i'm JUST i.
Speaker 8 (26:57):
Know they took advantage Of Jerry, jones who loves to
overpay for guys like the wide receiver they got From.
CAROLINA i forget his. Name they got a third round,
pick bring him on. Down now they Got.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
Joe MILLWILL i will die on this.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
Hill Joe milton deserves a shot to be the guy
in this league on some team could be a terrible.
Team he deserves a. Shot there is something there with that.
Speaker 4 (27:19):
Kid are you his? Agent AND i like don't.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
Know i'm just.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
Saying i'm not. Saying i'm just. SAYING i watched sixty
quarterbacks play year in this.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
League annually.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
Sixty Joe milton's had ONE nfl. Start his passer rating
was one to.
Speaker 4 (27:32):
Eleven. Boom, Okay Joe milton Or Zach. Wilson who who
would you?
Speaker 3 (27:35):
Start i'd Been Joe.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
Milton, yes ALL i got was a bunch of eye
rolls on the.
Speaker 4 (27:43):
Interweb, Okay Joe milton Or Hendon?
Speaker 3 (27:46):
Hooker Joe? Milton what you just.
Speaker 8 (27:50):
Like it that he's like six y six and. CHISELED
i like.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
THAT i like that he's a great, athlete coachable with
a rocket. Arm that's WHAT i like called traits this.
Guy J mack with the, News well.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
That's the, news and thanks for stopping by the Herd Line.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
News he was In New. England he played in a preseason.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
Game i'm, LIKE i don't. KNOW i, mean that looks
like a guy that could play in this. LEAGUE i
got a lot of. Pushback Uncle colin does not forget
those slights on. Quarterbacks coming up, next a quarterback That
i'd like to see. WORK i don't think he's gonna,
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work but he would have a much greater chance to
have been. Great but he keeps getting an he keeps
getting nothing but the wrong landing.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
Spot And i'll tell you who that quarterback. Is it's
Not Joe.
Speaker 4 (28:47):
Milton.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
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Speaker 1 (29:18):
You, know the from time to, time if you're a,
sportscaster somebody will come up and, say, oh my son
or my daughter want to be a. Sportscaster any, Advice
and my advice is always, like go to. YouTube i
didn't have YouTube the distribution models that kids have now are.
AMAZING i MEAN i used to have to send out
a little cassette tape To Country western stations SO i
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could maybe do a weekend Shift Merle haggard songs next
on ninety six dot Five The. FROG i, mean that's
the way the world was. Now just go On, instagram
go on. YouTube there's no. Excuse somebody will find. You
and that's the WAY i kind of feel with, quarterback
like And i'll give you an, Example Justin. Fields he's
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a really nice, kid AND i think he does have,
talent but he doesn't have Like Andrew Luck Jaden daniels
talent where he can overcome the wrong, coach the wrong.
System Andrew Luck goes eleven and five as a rookie
roster was. Awful Jaden daniels last year goes twelve and
five roster was mostly. Bad those are the first two
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guys Since John, elway in my, opinion that can just
overcome anything right out of the. Gate in THE nfl
first year did not have things going necessarily all their.
Way AND i would admit That Justin fields has not
had the best set of. Circumstances three, teams multiple defensive.
COACHES i think he'd be better if he Got sean
McVay Or Andy. Reid but here's the reason WHY i
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don't necessarily buy him is that if he was truly,
special McVeigh would call him up to back Up stafford
because they're going to go draft a, quarterback Or Andy
reid would call, him Or shanahan would want is that
the reality with you will always find a. WAY i
Use Josh allen all the. Time Josh. Allen you, know high,
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school high school in the middle of nowhere In. California
he didn't get any college. Offers he goes To, wyoming
he gets blown out every time they face teams Like
oregon And. IOWA i watch those get blown, out blown.
Speaker 3 (31:21):
Out high.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
School nobody saw him play zero star at, college almost
nobody saw him. Play wyoming was bad and everybody in
the league was flying To. Wyoming smart offensive coaches will
identify you.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
Eventually that's Why Baker.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
MAYFIELD i may have had issues With Baker, mayfield BUT
i always said he's a top twenty quarterback talent on the. Planet,
eventually mcveigh's, like get out. Here, Eventually Liam cohen IS
i like that. Guy Sam. Darnold Kyle shanahan's, like get,
ME i don't care what happened In carolina and The
jets offensive coach get. Me Then kevin O'Connell offensive, coach
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get Me Sam darnold and they wanted to resign. Him
defensive coaches don't have the ability to figure OUT o
lines and.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
Quarterbacks they just. DON'T i, Mean i've said.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
IT i Think Pete carroll Likes Geno smith much more
than the offensive coaches and the league. Doing gino's. Fine
but one of the reasons THAT i question justin. Fields
we got Enough Ohio state, Stuff we had ENOUGH nfl.
Tape where are the offensive coaches? Going just get him
in the building over, Here it'll.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
WORK i, Mean.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
Donald's career was a. MESS i Mean caroline and The
jets Was i'm seeing. Ghosts shanahan reportedly McVeigh liked. Him
kevin O'Connell, like the smart offensive guys are, LIKE i
like that.
Speaker 3 (32:43):
Guy you go look At Patrick. Mahomes When Patrick mahomes get.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
A losing college, record losing, record he was WHY i
saw him play like once in college he was? Wild
but who liked? Him Andy, Reid John, gruden shan on.
Pay it was the offensive coaches that were, like get
me that college kid with a losing record in an
average college. Conference so it's not THAT i don't Think
Justin fields has. Talent he does good kid has TO
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i don't think he sees the field very. Well i've
said it's About Zach. Wilson some guys just don't see the.
Field some guys Like mahomes sees the. Field mahomes can
see something and let go of the ball within a half.
Second It's Jayden daniels has, that like cognitively, athletically it's
weird how good it. Is, Uh AND i just don't
see that With justin Or Zach. Wilson but one of the,
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reasons Like SAMUEL. L jackson bounced Around hollywood, forever then
he becomes a. Superstar eventually you'll have A Quentin. Tarantino
you will find somebody that goes that guy is. Good
if you never make it In, hollywood it wasn't meant to.
Be somebody will find.
Speaker 9 (33:50):
You.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
Eventually somebody's gonna find. You and my question With justin
feels it one of these offensive, coaches he keeps going
to defensive Coach jets defense Coach Aaron glenn defensive. Coach defensive.
Coach they don't have the feel of offensive. Coaches so
it's just it's it's not LIKE i don't like. Him
it's just is there is there people lined up like
(34:11):
you could say whatever you want About Kirk. Cousins shanahan likes,
Him kevin O'Connell likes. Him you, know like like there
Are Raheem morris Was sean mcvay's best. Friend Raheem morris
goes To, atlanta they go get and make a bid
and Get Kirk. Cousins some of that's McVay in McVay
probably likes. Him so whether you like him or, not
a lot of offensive coaches Like Kirk. Cousins they. Do
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speaking of great, Quarterbacks Josh Allen Hard Knocks Buffalo bills
finally like an interesting team In Hard knocks they don't
have any. Controversy SO i don't know how interesting it,
is but here was a little sample Of Josh allen
on Hardwa Hard.
Speaker 11 (34:50):
Knocks being mentioned FOR mvp means your team is doing really,
well probably in the hunt for the, playoffs and you're doing.
Job it doesn't change my life to have that accolade
or to have more of those. Accolades the only thing
That i'm worried about is doing EVERYTHING i can to
bring A Lombardi trophy.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
HERE i contend that the highest Rated Super bowl of
all time would be The Buffalo bills and The Detroit,
lions so kind of in a way rooting for, that
the long standing Losing Detroit lions and The, bills who
have actually had a lot of great teams that can't.
WIND i find right now the easiest team in the
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league to root for is The Buffalo. BILLS i get
if they had Two Super bowls With Jim, KELLY i
wouldn't feel his. Way but it's like my wife used
to have to. Work she was in Corporate, america and
she always said the nicest people she'd ever met were In.
Buffalo she's, like it's an underrated place to. Live it's
the nicest people in the. World and you don't have
a heart or a soul if you're not rooting For
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buffalo to win A Super. Bowl you have to, like
here's the. Thing detroit is easy to root. Against they've
been in, competent, Right it's like it's not like they've
gotten bad. Breaks, Now buffalo has been really, Competent sean,
McDermott Jim. KELLY i mean great, Players Marv. Levy they've
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had good, coaches they've had great, quarterbacks they've had good.
Gms they've had great. Teams they just ran into The cowboy.
Dynasty they ran into great. Teams so it's if you
look at all of sports In North, america there are two.
Teams AND i don't know a lot about, hockey but
it does feel like The Toronto Maple, leafs it's about
(36:34):
time they want To Stanley, cup you, know like like
they've Been they've had enough. Quality that's a big. Sat
you can't get a ticket to a game In. Toronto
it's about time they. Won and it's ironic To. Toronto there's
a little drive over To. Buffalo BUT i feel that
The Bills lions at the highest scoring game in the
league last year at ninety. Points If i'm rooting for
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A Super, bowl AND i don't, Really i'm rooting for good. Games,
lions WHO i think take us that? Back And Buffalo.
Bills AND i said, THIS i was seen as sort
of A Brady. HOMER i am kind of fatigued with
The Lebron james. Story it's nothing Against, lebron but Like
i'm a little fatigued with. IT i, MEAN i know
(37:15):
he's a big, story BUT i got a little. Fatigue
Like brandy To, tampa to me was. FASCINATING i was
a new. STORY i was kind of over Grumpy. Belichick you,
Know tom had to watch what he. Said you, Know
edelman's getting. Over it's an efficient. Offense it's not that
much fun to. Watch Like buffalo is a great, watch
and they're a great watch because of one. Guy it's
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not the schemes of. McDermott they're a great they're a
great team to watch With. Buffalo BUT i do think
since twenty, eighteen the resume cannot be. Denied Josh allen
has more touchdowns than Even Patrick. Mahomes SO i think
you have to be careful about reducing people. Down Like
i've said this before About Charles. Barkley barkley's one of
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the RARE nba Players i've ever. Seen he was great in,
transition he was great in the low, block and he
was great shooting the, jumper Like Michael, jordan not much
of a three point. Shooter michael was great in transition
and could be really, good but he wasn't really a
low block.
Speaker 3 (38:11):
Performer michael was.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
A mid range, assassin the greatest mid range player of all,
time and he could finish at the. Rim but he
didn't put him on the low block a. Lot when
it was a kind of a center. League barkley could
go low with that you, know sizable. Butt he was
great in. Transition he could shoot. Threes he didn't won a. Title,
Now barkley didn't have the best practice. Habits But charles
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is an all. Timer charles is an all. Timer Dan
marino's an all, timer prettiest throw over the. Football not
every great. Guy If Derek jeter goes to The Kansas City,
royals he probably does not win A World.
Speaker 3 (38:46):
Series so you know the landing.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
THING i will say this To buffalo's, credit AND i
think this they deserve credit for. This it's not a wealthy,
town although all the owners are. Wealthy they've gone out
to build a new, stadium and part of the stadium
build you're seeing it In Hard, knocks is to cut
down the. Wind and Now Josh allen's got a very strong.
Arm but that is really an underrated move by The Buffalo.
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Bills they're, like, listen we have the first or best
quarterback on the, planet and he's got about six more
years of prime. Football let's try to have him throwing
in blizzards less. Frequently it's not a little. Thing they
went to the science and they're, like, listen.
Speaker 4 (39:32):
When you Have.
Speaker 1 (39:32):
Josh, allen the only way he can be. Neutralized it's
Not Steve, spagnola it's Not Bill. Belichick he Owned. Belichick
go look At Josh allen Against. Belichick he owned.
Speaker 3 (39:45):
Him the only.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
Thing that neutralizes the all time great quarterbacks is bad.
Weather that's. It and So, buffalo to their, credit said we're,
Gonna we're. Gonna we gotta make it easier For we
don't want to go into a game against an inferior
court on a team of the good pass. Rush And
josh can't remember a few years how many years ago
was it when there was a nor'easter and was it
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In buffalo Or? Foxborough it Was Mac jones Against Josh.
ALLEN i don't even know where the game was it.
Was it may have been In. Foxborough it was horrible
weather and it was like a good game BETWEEN i
think it Was Mac jones And Josh. ALLEN i swear
my memory hasn't hasn't, Faded and it was like bad
weather hurts the superstar quarterback And buffalo's, like, yea we're
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gonna fix the weather. Thing credit to them so and
credit To Josh, allen WHO i do think is more
talented Than Patrick. Mahomes But mahomes inherited and you read
and that's just a. Difference that's the. Difference it's Bo
Nick Sean, Payton that's the. Difference So jay mac CAN
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i push back on?
Speaker 6 (40:52):
Something?
Speaker 8 (40:52):
Sure see you said the best Super bowl would Be
Bill's lions or the highest, rated the most.
Speaker 4 (40:57):
Interesting what IF i Said Bills.
Speaker 8 (41:00):
Niners you get two, coasts you Get Kyle.
Speaker 4 (41:04):
Shanahan looking to exercise.
Speaker 8 (41:05):
Demons you've got the dead last pick in the, draft
rock party Against Josh. ALLEN i Think Niners bills would
be an unbelievable contrasting styles in quarterbacks and. Coaches offensive
coach first defensive coach in The Super.
Speaker 1 (41:20):
Bowl The niners are The yankees of The West. Coast
they have a huge, following so The niners will always
get a GOOD tv. Rating but Brock perty is not.
Dynamic oh, shit op. THIS i think The lions are
a little bit like The. Cubs remember The Cubs Indians
World Series Lovable?
Speaker 4 (41:39):
Losers yeah, YEAH i mean that's The lions to.
Speaker 6 (41:43):
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Joe Thomas, one of the all time greats the Hall
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one of the top four five six left tackles of
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Speaker 3 (00:39):
We'll be joining us. He calls the.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Preseason games for the Cleveland Browns, which this year are fascinating.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
So I was thinking about this.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
J Mack is saying, how can you defend Jerry Jones
when he's negotiating with Michael Parsons. So the reason I
do like, I'm kind of split fifty to fifty. I
don't always side with a player. But Jerry Jones is
discussing negotiations. He is openly discussing negotiations. Michael Parsons says
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a year left in his contract in Cincinnati. They won't
even we don't even start the conversation. Mike Brown hides
from you.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
Oh so that's the bar, the Cincinnati Bengals of the bar.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
You have no legal obligation to sign somebody do a
contract a year early. We've got a CBA, We've got
all this stuff figured out there. You're now The other
one is, well, Micah has outperformed his contract.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
No he hasn't.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
He's a pro bowler in the top of the first round.
The player selected either before or after him, Rareshaun Slater,
left tackle, more valuable position, arguably also been a pro bowler.
Now he got paid, but he didn't out perform as contract.
You're a top fifteen player, you're a pro bowler. You
should be, especially if you're in And I think left tackles,
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and I said this yesterday, quarterbacks the most important position
in football.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Left tackle.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Second, if you get a left tackle like Mishaan Slater,
you sign him.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Edge rushers, uh, quarterback.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Left tackle dominant interior d lineman over edge rusher. There
aren't any I mean, we can all who's the best
defensive interior lineman ever? Regi White second best, Aaron Donald
third best, Chris Jones is up there, like there's not
many great interior defensive line. There's a lot of great
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edge rusher. The league's got eight to ten good ones.
There's a kid named Jared Verse for the Rams. That
kid is he not even top five yet he looks
like it can be Lawrence Taylor in a year. So
I like Micah, but Jerry is openly discussing the contract
a year early.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
And Micah has.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Been an excellent player, but the ID is wildly outperforming
his contract.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
No, he's not.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
He's he has been a hit. You view first round
picks as hits or misses. He is an absolute hit.
He's clearly Jerry's open to paying him because he's negotiating.
If your company comes to you a year before and hey,
let's talk about a contract that's happened to me once
in my career, you end up signing it early, earlier
(03:16):
than you normally would. That's a good sign. They like you,
but you know they're I don't think. Here's Jerry Jones
this week on the Micah Parsons negotiations.
Speaker 5 (03:29):
I bought the Dallas Cowboys with a handshake. Took about
thirty seconds and gave the number, shook hands. The details
we worked out later. As a matter of fact, one
of the details involved a lot of money and we
had to flip a coin over that. But the fundamental
I'm buying and you're going to sell it to me
for that range. That's done, and those are done with
(03:51):
eye contact and handshake. In the case of a player
or contract, you have to have it in writing. All
parties do have a contract in writing. Yet we're still
talking about and renegotiating it.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
Yeah, got a contract. We're a year out, we're talking
about it. And player contracts are different. That's why you
have a CBA. You don't have a CBA on buying
a team, you know, even though it's a bigger deal,
A lot of deal.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
I don't care if it's.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
A Facebook buying Instagram, a lot of that stuff. I mean,
I remember, I can tell you a company I used
to work at, in the company I currently work at,
they had a deal. They probably agreed initially over a table,
you know, in a big office with the oak table
and chairs, and they priace that down and then then
they said, okay, lawyers, you figured out we've agreed to it.
(04:42):
And player contracts are a little different with that. Joe
Thomas the all time great left tackle for the Cleveland Browns,
one of the best ever calling the Browns preseason games.
So my lead story today was, there's this bubbling story
I'm hearing that I think is fairly ridiculous, that the
Browns are sabotaging chaduor Sanders. My only practicing with the
(05:04):
ones one day, and I reminded the audience that Josh
Dobbs played with the Vikings without a practice, Baker Mayfield
played with Sean McMahon the Rams with one practice, and
Shadeur's been at Mini camps OTA's training.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
He'll be fine.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
But I have to ask you, Joe, you've probably heard
these claims too, that some people think the Browns don't
want him to succeed. Is it a small story or
is it bigger than it should be?
Speaker 6 (05:33):
Well, it's bigger than it should be because Shador Sanders
is a huge star. He was one of the biggest
stars in college football for several years and the biggest
story of the draft was him falling all the way
to the fifth round and the Brown's taking him. And
he's got a lot of people that really believe in him.
They're huge fans of him from when he was in college,
and they want to see him succeed. And what's the
best way for him to succeed is if he just
was planted as the day one starter.
Speaker 7 (05:54):
As soon as he walks through the door.
Speaker 6 (05:56):
In Cleveland, he gets all the reps and no matter
what happens, you put him out there and starting guy.
But that's not what Cleveland drafted him with a mindset
of right, they got him in the fifth round is
a great value. They've got a bunch of other quarterbacks
on the roster and they want to give equal playing
time and equal reps to everybody not named Joe Flacco
to see who's going to separate themselves so that as
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you get later in training camp, now you've got a
little bit more of a pecking order of where your
quarterbacks are, and you.
Speaker 7 (06:22):
Give that guy a little bit more reps.
Speaker 6 (06:23):
So right now, it's just a matter of the situation
that he's in with Dylan Gabriel and Kenny Pickett and themselves,
where there's flitting reps between all those guys. And I
get it if you're a shadoras anders to, and then
you want to see him get all the reps and
you're mad and you're going to come up with a
conspiracy theory, like the Browns don't want him to win
and they don't want him to be the starting quarterback.
Speaker 7 (06:40):
But really the reality is this is just a situation.
Speaker 6 (06:42):
He's competing with two other young guys to see who's
going to be the one that comes out of after
the first or second preseason game as the clear number
two option, and then he gets a few more reps.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
So there was an it was interesting.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
I was I don't know who was doing the interview,
but I heard Brock pretty talking about this in the
last twenty four hours. He talked about and brought pretty
six to one and Purty's like about forty percent of
the time, I don't see where I'm throwing it. That's
my first my first look, I can't see where I'm
throwing it. Tua has talked about this, like there are
times I can't see offensive linemen like Joe Thomas or
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six seven right. And so I was never a Dylan
Gabriel believer. I watched him at Oregon. It might take
his folks. He's small, so I always thought I would
have drafted Shaudu or just on size and accuracy, and
by the way, Dylan Gabriel played with better teammates at
Oregon than Shaduor did, and was more accurate at Colorado
with the battle line of no run game. Right now,
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from what you've seen, okay, I'm talking, you've seen it
live or you've seen it, is Dylan ahead of Shadu
or do you believe he is?
Speaker 7 (07:49):
I don't think he is. I think Shadeur is ahead
of Dylan right now. Wow. Dylan clearly has some things
that he does really well.
Speaker 6 (07:54):
Obviously, his mobility, his ability to get outside the pocket,
make plays when you can see because he doesn't have
to worry about throwing from in the pocket. But the
challenge of being a short quarterback, especially in the NFL
and NFL passing offenses, is that you have to throw
to a spot a lot of times. You have to
build that trust and that understanding of looking at the
structure of the defense, knowing where the ball needs to go,
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and then having some blind faith that when you throw
it to that spot, your guy's going to be there.
And that takes a lot more time than if you
are being able to see the guy actually coming open.
You're able to see the windows and so far Chadur
has I think, in my opinion, outplayed Dylan at this
point in training camp, because Dylan's had some struggles with accuracy,
and Chadur, although it's not been great with the procedural
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side of things, when he's up there under the center
and he's trying to make calls and adjustments at the
line of scrimmage, he's getting everybody lined up the snap
count when.
Speaker 7 (08:44):
The ball gets snapped.
Speaker 6 (08:45):
He's been pretty accurate and pretty impressive with some of
the big time plays that he's made. And I think
that's why a lot of Browns fans are really excited
to see him on Friday, as he's going to be
the starter against the Panthers in their preseason game. Because
he's a gamer, right and so gamers they rise to
that occasion and we expect to see some great plays
out of him on Friday, some of those wow moments
that he's become known for.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
So that's really interesting, Joe.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
So, because I'm I can only go on clips, but
when I watch Dylan Gabriel, there are times he gets
lost behind the offensive line.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
I can't see him. I mean literally, and this is
not a knock on the kid.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
This was This was my big question coming into I
want my ideal quarterback size. Josh Allen's an outlier. Most
guys aren't that big. It's like Justin Herbert six' five.
STURDY i just think it, Matters so. LISTEN i didn't
like the speeding. TICKETS i didn't like LEGENDARY i didn't
like that. Stuff but by and, large it seems Like
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shader is pretty pretty. LIKABLE i mean it. IS i
mean the, vibe body. LANGUAGE i mean to, me he's
like a nice. Kid his judgment can be the speeding,
tickets you, know bother me as. SOMEBODY i don't even
like when guys put their hat on, backwards so speeding
tickets really bother. Me how is he what's the vibe
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around like?
Speaker 4 (10:03):
It what is he?
Speaker 1 (10:04):
Like oh, Boy, joe that is. Trouble so what is
his vibe at? Practice it's been, Great.
Speaker 6 (10:11):
AND i think anybody that's been his teammate At colorado
or before that and now with The Cleveland browns will
say that he's doing the right. Things when he's out.
There he's incredible in. Meetings he shows up, early he stays,
late he's watching the. Film he's being diligent with his note,
taking and SO i Think Shador, sanders the, player the
leader inside that locker, room has been awesome to your,
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point like he's gained some.
Speaker 7 (10:33):
Attention, one he's a huge. Star so anything you.
Speaker 6 (10:36):
Do off the, field he's got to start to understand
he's going to have extra eyeballs on, him extra, scrutiny
and so some of the speeding tickets and those other,
things like all it does is just bring bad attention to.
You and you don't need any of those distractions as
you're trying to win this starting quarterback. Job but as
far as when he's been in the, building the guys
are really loving him here In.
Speaker 7 (10:53):
Cleveland SO.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
I said this About Aaron. RODGERS i, said there's certain
things that are. TRUE i, said when you're an older
quarterback and you've got A Super bowl and you've got your,
money Like Aaron, rodgers there are things you do you're
not willing to do that you were at thirty, one
and that is get hit a. Lot and if you
don't trust your old, Line aaron's not gonna sit back
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there and take one in the Teeth like it's not
going to. Happen so with The, jets a lot of
short passes he. DIDN'T i don't blame. Him Eli manning
didn't want to get hit at the. End brady was practicing.
Falling LIKE i get, It. Steve this is Why i've
never Bought pittsburgh For. Aaron they have struggled for six
years with the old. LINE pff has The jets all
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line better Than pittsburgh's last year and going into this,
year And aaron didn't trust The jets all. Line SO
i want you to talk about that older, quarterbacks and
you played with a lot of, them did you notice
that the younger quarterback will sit in there or maybe
he can. Escape but older quarterbacks do see the world
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differently after they've been in this league eight to ten.
Speaker 7 (12:04):
Years, yeah young, quarterbacks they don't know any, better.
Speaker 6 (12:08):
Right their youth is their, ignorance and it serves them
well because they're willing to stand in there and they're
willing to take those hits right in the. Chops and
at first it might not hurt too much because you
see the success that it brings when you are able
to hang on just other half a second. Longer you're
delivering the football down the field and you're throwing the touchdown.
Pass but as you become an older, player you know
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your body just can't handle those, hits and so you
do try to get the ball out. Quicker you try
to speed up that process in your. Mind but the challenge,
is how DO i speed up that process without speeding
up my footwork too?
Speaker 7 (12:39):
Far where Now i'm out of.
Speaker 6 (12:40):
Rhythm i'm taking footwork And i'm stepping up into these
throws and the receivers are not out of their brakes,
yet and so you want to make sure that your
timing of your drop and the routes are still in.
Combination but you also do need to at certain times
be able to hang in in there and wait for
that receiver to get to that next window so you
can deliver the. Football and you got to just, accept,
(13:01):
Hey i'm gonna get hit on this, one but the
team needs me right. Here AND i think that remains
to be seen a little bit With Aaron rodgers because
he's never been a guy that loved being hit.
Speaker 7 (13:08):
Him he's never been a huge, guy but he's always
had great.
Speaker 6 (13:10):
Feet he's always been able to extend the play get
out of the pocket with his, athleticism and we really
didn't see that with The jets and so, far coming
out of The steelers screening, camp there's been some conversation
about him not really showing great, mobility not showing an
ability to escape the, pocket escape the, rush and that
comes into question then about how much is he willing
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to be able to just stand in there and extend
the play if he can't do it with his feet
anymore and he's not willing to take the hits in the.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Pocket all, right we're gonna circle back To. Cleveland my
prediction Was flacco is the. STARTER i said this before.
Camp they're going to move off picket at some point
to get a draft picked next, year maybe a six
or seventh, rounder and the young guys will both be
on the ROSTER a his, backups that's my, take and
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they're going to get. Both the young guys are going
to get in preseason. Now Dylan gabriel's banged, up So
shadur could take the lead with a good One. Friday
So i'm Going, Flacco shadure And dylan that's my. Order
And pickett will be. Moved somebody will lose a. Quarterback
he's a capable, backup and we still Have Toshaan, watson
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but that's you know he's not gonna. Play what if
you had to guess an order with three or four
quarterbacks In?
Speaker 3 (14:22):
Cleveland what is?
Speaker 7 (14:24):
IT i think you're onto something right.
Speaker 6 (14:27):
There i'm not sure That Kenny Pickett i'm gonna take
it To vegas that he's getting, traded but it certainly makes.
Sense Right he's a guy that's got, Experience he's a
first round draft. Choice, clearly this league relies on great quarterback,
play and if you don't work out on one, spot
if you still got that, talent you're going to at
least get one or two more.
Speaker 7 (14:43):
Chances SO i can see him being.
Speaker 6 (14:46):
Traded And i'm definitely thinking That shauder when the season,
comes is going to be that number two, guy because
depending on how the season shakes, out there's going to
be a point in the middle possibly where they're, saying all,
Right flacco has done a good, job but we're not
score enough points and we want to get an opportunity.
Speaker 7 (15:02):
To look at one of these younger.
Speaker 6 (15:03):
Guys AND i think at that point you're going to, say,
hey we want to have reps With.
Speaker 7 (15:07):
Shadoor we want to see. Him can he be that?
Speaker 6 (15:10):
Playmaker can he be that gamer that he was in
college that we saw in, preseason maybe because they got
to figure out going in the next season with their
two first round draft, choices if that's going to be
a quarterback or do we have the quarterback spot figured
out and we got that solved and we can use
that on weapons around. Him so that's a very important
question that's outstanding still that they need to answer at
some point this.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
Season, well great stuff From Joe, thomas The hall Of,
famer ten Time pro bowl, er a top five or
six left Tackle i've ever seen. Play it is great seeing.
You we appreciate the insight your feet on the ground
there AND i appreciate.
Speaker 5 (15:40):
It.
Speaker 7 (15:40):
Bud, yeah thanks for having me on kin you.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
Bad that's really.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
Interesting so you, know we asked, him you've seen him both,
play and he said he Likes shador Over Dylan, gabriel
AND i said before the, Draft dylan looks small and
the clips still all the AND i watch Every browns,
clip every brown CLIP i. Get there are TIMES i
lose it AND i can't see. Him i'm not blaming the,
kid but He dylan also played At. Oregon oregon's GOT
(16:05):
nfl guys, everywhere so that that's an advantage, Right, uh
you can throw a lot of either way balls In
oregon and their. Touchdowns colorado had a battle, line no run,
game And shador had to throw on the run a.
Lot he had to throw a beat fast a. Lot
and SO i think over, time, uh that size. MATTERS
(16:25):
i think what happens is a guy like a guy
Like Russell wilson comes into the league and has success
at five eleven six foot and everybody's, like you, know,
yeah a little, guy and everybody, gets, oh let's Draft
Johnny Manziel and the best little QUARTERBACK i saw WHEN
i was a kid growing up was Fran tarkins and
played At georgia and The.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
Vikings most quarterbacks were like six. Four there were big.
Guys they're big.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Guys uh and and And Johnny mandil didn't work And russell.
Did BUT i Mean tua has come out and said
a lot of TIMES i can't see that brought pretty.
Interview it's like forty percent of the Time i'm, Throwing
i'm just trusting a receiver that that's the reality of
Being And brock is six foot six foot, one SO
i Think shaduur is. Taller i've also seen multiple pieces of.
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Video When shaduur has his helmet, off this is kind of.
Weird but when he has his helmet, off whe he's
in street, clothes And i've seen him standing around, people
and he's a big. Kid I'm i'm six one and
a half And i've seen him standing next to coaches
THAT i. Know we're six feet and he's clearly bigger than.
That he's bigger than. Me he's taller than, me And
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i'm and and SO i think that stuff. MATTERS i
think over the course of reps and practice and you
get a clear line of, SIGHT i think it. Matters
So Joe thomas Said flacco And, Shaduur that's WHAT i.
Think Kenny Piicketts. Soufie you want to if you're drafting two,
quarterbacks you want to see if they can. Play what's
the point the show's not going to?
Speaker 3 (17:55):
Play? Flaco is we know What Kenny pickett?
Speaker 4 (17:59):
Is you don't.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
Know you don't know What Dylan gabriel is or shit
or in a real. GAME i want to see. IT
i drafted. HIM i want to see.
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Speaker 1 (18:58):
Best cleveland Has browns Play friday Against, carolina and because
of multiple injuries and they don't need to See Joe flacco,
play chadur will get the. NOD i can't wait to
watch It friday Against. Carolina jmack with The.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
News this is The Herd Line.
Speaker 8 (19:18):
News i'm gonna start this hour with a small team
from The midwest known as The Kansas City. Chiefs they've
had a pretty decent run during this near dynastic stretch
Here Colin Patrick mahomes TOLD Usa today there's stuff we've
got to get better, at especially. Myself this plays on
the football field THAT i didn't make last, year That
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i've made in previous. Years at the end of the,
Day i'm gonna do whatever it takes to, win whether
that's passing for a lot of yards not.
Speaker 4 (19:44):
Passing for a lot of. Yards BUT i think.
Speaker 8 (19:46):
IF i play, better that's gonna make it better for the.
Team well said by a great. Leader, obviously his receiver
stunk last year and they should be much much improved this.
Year i'm gonna hate some crow when this team makes.
Speaker 4 (19:59):
It, layouts AREN'T I, no.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
It's the division's. Tough you, know it's funny they're. There
you KNOW i said this. Earlier the Minute brady, retired
everybody was just ready to Say mahomes is the BEST.
A brady played him in The Super, bowl blew him.
Out brady played him in THE afc playoff game In
arrowhead beat. Him but you, know it shouldn't be lost
on anybody That mahomes has been blown out twice In Super.
(20:25):
Bowls brady loses Every Super bowl he Lost David tyree,
Catch Mario manningham catch The Philly. Special one of the
great things About brady he just doesn't get blown out
ever in Those Super. Bowls he wins or he loses
close and and and there's a. Variation there's a variable With.
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Mahomes and just just before we you, know And i'm
not just saying this Because brady's At, fox BUT i
know we're ready with mahomes success to just annoyed. Him.
King just just Remember brady on the way out had
the last, word way out of his, Prime way way
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out of his.
Speaker 8 (21:07):
Prime is this your way of Saying mahomes is coming
off a really bad year where he was not a
top four quarterback in the.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
League pretty?
Speaker 4 (21:15):
TRUE i, mean it's pretty.
Speaker 8 (21:16):
TRUE i know certain chiefs fans of this network are
losing their mind hearing, that But i'm, sorry it's just the.
Speaker 4 (21:22):
Facts let's move.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
On to That brady didn't have one of the great
offensive coaches in league.
Speaker 8 (21:28):
History, Well josh, McDaniels, right he was phenomenal as a
head coach in. Debt oh, no he was terrible and
fired almost. Instantly, okay let's move on to The. Rams
Colin Devonte adams was on The pivot podcast and talked
about the most interesting first round pick from this.
Speaker 4 (21:45):
Year's, Draft Jacksonville Travis.
Speaker 10 (21:46):
Hunter i'm not even concerned so much if he can
do it over the course of a game or a.
Season it's more, like how long is his career going to?
Be if he's playing that many, snaps.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
You gotta put.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
UP i want to see him on. Offense you, know
in the, seventies maybe you put him at corner, First
but TODAY i need twelve, targets ten, catches And i'd
READ i WOULD i had him in returning. KICKS i
would have him doing as much AS i could to
guarantee if he gets four, kickoffs he gets twelve TARGET
i want the ball in his. Hands you can be
(22:22):
a great, corner Soa Saft gardner And Patrick shirtan Before
Sean payton doesn't mean you're a playoff. Team you can
win games much more easily on the offensive side than
the defensive. SIDE i can't wait to watch. Him you,
know this is really.
Speaker 8 (22:36):
Interesting there's a huge disconnect between fans and players on
This Travis hunter. Thing BECAUSE i REMEMBER i hosted and
had a player in here and he was, like no way.
Speaker 4 (22:45):
Can Travis hunter play both?
Speaker 8 (22:47):
Ways now you Got Devonte adams, saying, yeah that's not gonna.
Work other players have come out and, said, yeah this
is not a good. Idea, meanwhile fans are, like he
could do, it why? Not like they just don't Understand,
colin that this is going to be little mission impossible
For Travis hunter to tackle and defend and then quick
turnaround and now you're running routes and Catching like you,
said what ten ten balls on twelve?
Speaker 4 (23:08):
Targets it's.
Speaker 8 (23:09):
It you can't do it and be successful for a
full season or.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
Career i'll tell you what it's easier to do that
then pitch at an all star level and be an
all star power hitter like Shoe Heyo tani that, there people,
wave this is easier the football. Part i'd rather, say
how about? This can you throw at a major league
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level and Get major League baseball hitters? Out or can
you make a tackle on a running?
Speaker 4 (23:39):
Back what is with?
Speaker 1 (23:40):
That?
Speaker 4 (23:41):
Look a tackle on a running? Back?
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Colin have you seen what what show He otani is?
Doing doesn't even make sense that he's A he's literally
an all star, pitcher all star bas, eater all star power,
Hitter All star average. Hitter you're saying That Travis hunter
couldn't return, punts be a, receiver and occasionally you'd put
him in on pass.
Speaker 8 (24:03):
Cover, wait he hasn't done it yet in the. Pros
let's see if he. CAN i don't think he could do.
IT i think it's way more taxing on your body Than.
Otani were you bat three or four times a, game,
Right that's what's so hard about.
Speaker 4 (24:14):
That the pitching is every what three or four? Days kyle.
Speaker 8 (24:17):
IT i think If Travis hunter pulled it, off that's
way tougher than what o'tani's doing at a high. Level
like he could do it and get cooked and be
a terrible. Quarterback but to do it at a high,
LEVEL i Think Travis hunter.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
Lot baseball is more skilled than football. Pitching it's an
art form hitting at the major league. Level you have
to be in the batting cage for a decade before
you ever get into a major dag. Cage Antonio gage
made The hall Of. Fame he didn't play college. Football
he was.
Speaker 8 (24:46):
Just a tight end and he wasn't playing both. Ways
you know what else is inn art form? Tackling Derrick
Henry okay go look that go look up that.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
Art there's there's One Derek call.
Speaker 8 (24:55):
And there's One christian, McCaffrey and there's One Saquon, barkley
and there's One James. Cook, like come on tackling these, Guys,
COLIN i think you're. Way we need to get somebody
From jacksonville on the show next week if.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
Possible all, right next, Up. Colin final.
Speaker 8 (25:08):
Story The colts just announced That Anthony richardson will get
the first crack at the starting. Job he will start
in these first preseason game this.
Speaker 4 (25:18):
Weekend Daniel jones.
Speaker 8 (25:20):
Aka Danny dimes is the backup and buried here in
the notes third.
Speaker 4 (25:25):
String are you ready for?
Speaker 8 (25:26):
It Riley, leonard your favorite Former Duke Notre dame quarterback
breathing down the neck Of Vanilla vic Aka Daniel.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
Dimes what are they saying About Riley leonard's.
Speaker 4 (25:37):
Camp they're not saying anything because he's a non.
Speaker 8 (25:41):
Factor it's all About Anthony richardson Versus Daniel. Jones if
anything On Riley. Leonard they're still talking about that drive
that he, had okay to open the.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
Championship remember a couple of years ago when people made
fun of me On Joe. Milton remember that that was
a Big. Joe well he was In New england the
backup and.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
Right, YEAH i, said.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
You, guys just watch the kid's got a. Cannon great
kid can. Work if you heard The Joe milton, stories very.
Interesting go look Up Joe.
Speaker 8 (26:15):
Milton, yeah hold on, THAT i, MEAN i MEAN i
maybe i'p late to the. Game Joe MILTON nfl stats
he played in one game was twenty two or twenty?
Nine get me a good in area? Seven twenty two
of twenty?
Speaker 3 (26:26):
Nine what is? He Joe?
Speaker 4 (26:27):
Montana, well is it like a week eighteen?
Speaker 2 (26:29):
Game?
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Bro?
Speaker 4 (26:30):
WHAT i don't?
Speaker 5 (26:31):
Know what DO i?
Speaker 3 (26:31):
See two of twenty? NINE i don't care if it's week.
Speaker 8 (26:35):
Thirty he's throwing against ups drivers In december in a
meaningless game that The patriots.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
Go look at Where Joe milton is currently. At by the, Way.
Speaker 4 (26:46):
Joe milton is currently on The Dallas.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
Cowboys interesting ONE nfl, start one eleven passer.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
Rating you just go ahead and laugh at My riley.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
Laughing i'm JUST i.
Speaker 8 (26:57):
Know they took advantage Of Jerry, jones who loves to
overpay for guys like the wide receiver they got From.
CAROLINA i forget his. Name they got a third round,
pick bring him on. Down now they Got.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
Joe MILLWILL i will die on this.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
Hill Joe milton deserves a shot to be the guy
in this league on some team could be a terrible.
Team he deserves a. Shot there is something there with that.
Speaker 4 (27:19):
Kid are you his? Agent AND i like don't.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
Know i'm just.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
Saying i'm not. Saying i'm just. SAYING i watched sixty
quarterbacks play year in this.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
League annually.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
Sixty Joe milton's had ONE nfl. Start his passer rating
was one to.
Speaker 4 (27:32):
Eleven. Boom, Okay Joe milton Or Zach. Wilson who who
would you?
Speaker 3 (27:35):
Start i'd Been Joe.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
Milton, yes ALL i got was a bunch of eye
rolls on the.
Speaker 4 (27:43):
Interweb, Okay Joe milton Or Hendon?
Speaker 3 (27:46):
Hooker Joe? Milton what you just.
Speaker 8 (27:50):
Like it that he's like six y six and. CHISELED
i like.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
THAT i like that he's a great, athlete coachable with
a rocket. Arm that's WHAT i like called traits this.
Guy J mack with the, News well.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
That's the, news and thanks for stopping by the Herd Line.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
News he was In New. England he played in a preseason.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
Game i'm, LIKE i don't. KNOW i, mean that looks
like a guy that could play in this. LEAGUE i
got a lot of. Pushback Uncle colin does not forget
those slights on. Quarterbacks coming up, next a quarterback That
i'd like to see. WORK i don't think he's gonna,
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work but he would have a much greater chance to
have been. Great but he keeps getting an he keeps
getting nothing but the wrong landing.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
Spot And i'll tell you who that quarterback. Is it's
Not Joe.
Speaker 4 (28:47):
Milton.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
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Speaker 1 (29:18):
You, know the from time to, time if you're a,
sportscaster somebody will come up and, say, oh my son
or my daughter want to be a. Sportscaster any, Advice
and my advice is always, like go to. YouTube i
didn't have YouTube the distribution models that kids have now are.
AMAZING i MEAN i used to have to send out
a little cassette tape To Country western stations SO i
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could maybe do a weekend Shift Merle haggard songs next
on ninety six dot Five The. FROG i, mean that's
the way the world was. Now just go On, instagram
go on. YouTube there's no. Excuse somebody will find. You
and that's the WAY i kind of feel with, quarterback
like And i'll give you an, Example Justin. Fields he's
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a really nice, kid AND i think he does have,
talent but he doesn't have Like Andrew Luck Jaden daniels
talent where he can overcome the wrong, coach the wrong.
System Andrew Luck goes eleven and five as a rookie
roster was. Awful Jaden daniels last year goes twelve and
five roster was mostly. Bad those are the first two
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guys Since John, elway in my, opinion that can just
overcome anything right out of the. Gate in THE nfl
first year did not have things going necessarily all their.
Way AND i would admit That Justin fields has not
had the best set of. Circumstances three, teams multiple defensive.
COACHES i think he'd be better if he Got sean
McVay Or Andy. Reid but here's the reason WHY i
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don't necessarily buy him is that if he was truly,
special McVeigh would call him up to back Up stafford
because they're going to go draft a, quarterback Or Andy
reid would call, him Or shanahan would want is that
the reality with you will always find a. WAY i
Use Josh allen all the. Time Josh. Allen you, know high,
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school high school in the middle of nowhere In. California
he didn't get any college. Offers he goes To, wyoming
he gets blown out every time they face teams Like
oregon And. IOWA i watch those get blown, out blown.
Speaker 3 (31:21):
Out high.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
School nobody saw him play zero star at, college almost
nobody saw him. Play wyoming was bad and everybody in
the league was flying To. Wyoming smart offensive coaches will
identify you.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
Eventually that's Why Baker.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
MAYFIELD i may have had issues With Baker, mayfield BUT
i always said he's a top twenty quarterback talent on the. Planet,
eventually mcveigh's, like get out. Here, Eventually Liam cohen IS
i like that. Guy Sam. Darnold Kyle shanahan's, like get,
ME i don't care what happened In carolina and The
jets offensive coach get. Me Then kevin O'Connell offensive, coach
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get Me Sam darnold and they wanted to resign. Him
defensive coaches don't have the ability to figure OUT o
lines and.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
Quarterbacks they just. DON'T i, Mean i've said.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
IT i Think Pete carroll Likes Geno smith much more
than the offensive coaches and the league. Doing gino's. Fine
but one of the reasons THAT i question justin. Fields
we got Enough Ohio state, Stuff we had ENOUGH nfl.
Tape where are the offensive coaches? Going just get him
in the building over, Here it'll.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
WORK i, Mean.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
Donald's career was a. MESS i Mean caroline and The
jets Was i'm seeing. Ghosts shanahan reportedly McVeigh liked. Him
kevin O'Connell, like the smart offensive guys are, LIKE i
like that.
Speaker 3 (32:43):
Guy you go look At Patrick. Mahomes When Patrick mahomes get.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
A losing college, record losing, record he was WHY i
saw him play like once in college he was? Wild
but who liked? Him Andy, Reid John, gruden shan on.
Pay it was the offensive coaches that were, like get
me that college kid with a losing record in an
average college. Conference so it's not THAT i don't Think
Justin fields has. Talent he does good kid has TO
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i don't think he sees the field very. Well i've
said it's About Zach. Wilson some guys just don't see the.
Field some guys Like mahomes sees the. Field mahomes can
see something and let go of the ball within a half.
Second It's Jayden daniels has, that like cognitively, athletically it's
weird how good it. Is, Uh AND i just don't
see that With justin Or Zach. Wilson but one of the,
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reasons Like SAMUEL. L jackson bounced Around hollywood, forever then
he becomes a. Superstar eventually you'll have A Quentin. Tarantino
you will find somebody that goes that guy is. Good
if you never make it In, hollywood it wasn't meant to.
Be somebody will find.
Speaker 9 (33:50):
You.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
Eventually somebody's gonna find. You and my question With justin
feels it one of these offensive, coaches he keeps going
to defensive Coach jets defense Coach Aaron glenn defensive. Coach defensive.
Coach they don't have the feel of offensive. Coaches so
it's just it's it's not LIKE i don't like. Him
it's just is there is there people lined up like
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you could say whatever you want About Kirk. Cousins shanahan likes,
Him kevin O'Connell likes. Him you, know like like there
Are Raheem morris Was sean mcvay's best. Friend Raheem morris
goes To, atlanta they go get and make a bid
and Get Kirk. Cousins some of that's McVay in McVay
probably likes. Him so whether you like him or, not
a lot of offensive coaches Like Kirk. Cousins they. Do
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speaking of great, Quarterbacks Josh Allen Hard Knocks Buffalo bills
finally like an interesting team In Hard knocks they don't
have any. Controversy SO i don't know how interesting it,
is but here was a little sample Of Josh allen
on Hardwa Hard.
Speaker 11 (34:50):
Knocks being mentioned FOR mvp means your team is doing really,
well probably in the hunt for the, playoffs and you're doing.
Job it doesn't change my life to have that accolade
or to have more of those. Accolades the only thing
That i'm worried about is doing EVERYTHING i can to
bring A Lombardi trophy.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
HERE i contend that the highest Rated Super bowl of
all time would be The Buffalo bills and The Detroit,
lions so kind of in a way rooting for, that
the long standing Losing Detroit lions and The, bills who
have actually had a lot of great teams that can't.
WIND i find right now the easiest team in the
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league to root for is The Buffalo. BILLS i get
if they had Two Super bowls With Jim, KELLY i
wouldn't feel his. Way but it's like my wife used
to have to. Work she was in Corporate, america and
she always said the nicest people she'd ever met were In.
Buffalo she's, like it's an underrated place to. Live it's
the nicest people in the. World and you don't have
a heart or a soul if you're not rooting For
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buffalo to win A Super. Bowl you have to, like
here's the. Thing detroit is easy to root. Against they've
been in, competent, Right it's like it's not like they've
gotten bad. Breaks, Now buffalo has been really, Competent sean,
McDermott Jim. KELLY i mean great, Players Marv. Levy they've
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had good, coaches they've had great, quarterbacks they've had good.
Gms they've had great. Teams they just ran into The cowboy.
Dynasty they ran into great. Teams so it's if you
look at all of sports In North, america there are two.
Teams AND i don't know a lot about, hockey but
it does feel like The Toronto Maple, leafs it's about
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time they want To Stanley, cup you, know like like
they've Been they've had enough. Quality that's a big. Sat
you can't get a ticket to a game In. Toronto
it's about time they. Won and it's ironic To. Toronto there's
a little drive over To. Buffalo BUT i feel that
The Bills lions at the highest scoring game in the
league last year at ninety. Points If i'm rooting for
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A Super, bowl AND i don't, Really i'm rooting for good. Games,
lions WHO i think take us that? Back And Buffalo.
Bills AND i said, THIS i was seen as sort
of A Brady. HOMER i am kind of fatigued with
The Lebron james. Story it's nothing Against, lebron but Like
i'm a little fatigued with. IT i, MEAN i know
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he's a big, story BUT i got a little. Fatigue
Like brandy To, tampa to me was. FASCINATING i was
a new. STORY i was kind of over Grumpy. Belichick you,
Know tom had to watch what he. Said you, Know
edelman's getting. Over it's an efficient. Offense it's not that
much fun to. Watch Like buffalo is a great, watch
and they're a great watch because of one. Guy it's
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not the schemes of. McDermott they're a great they're a
great team to watch With. Buffalo BUT i do think
since twenty, eighteen the resume cannot be. Denied Josh allen
has more touchdowns than Even Patrick. Mahomes SO i think
you have to be careful about reducing people. Down Like
i've said this before About Charles. Barkley barkley's one of
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the RARE nba Players i've ever. Seen he was great in,
transition he was great in the low, block and he
was great shooting the, jumper Like Michael, jordan not much
of a three point. Shooter michael was great in transition
and could be really, good but he wasn't really a
low block.
Speaker 3 (38:11):
Performer michael was.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
A mid range, assassin the greatest mid range player of all,
time and he could finish at the. Rim but he
didn't put him on the low block a. Lot when
it was a kind of a center. League barkley could
go low with that you, know sizable. Butt he was
great in. Transition he could shoot. Threes he didn't won a. Title,
Now barkley didn't have the best practice. Habits But charles
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is an all. Timer charles is an all. Timer Dan
marino's an all, timer prettiest throw over the. Football not
every great. Guy If Derek jeter goes to The Kansas City,
royals he probably does not win A World.
Speaker 3 (38:46):
Series so you know the landing.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
THING i will say this To buffalo's, credit AND i
think this they deserve credit for. This it's not a wealthy,
town although all the owners are. Wealthy they've gone out
to build a new, stadium and part of the stadium
build you're seeing it In Hard, knocks is to cut
down the. Wind and Now Josh allen's got a very strong.
Arm but that is really an underrated move by The Buffalo.
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Bills they're, like, listen we have the first or best
quarterback on the, planet and he's got about six more
years of prime. Football let's try to have him throwing
in blizzards less. Frequently it's not a little. Thing they
went to the science and they're, like, listen.
Speaker 4 (39:32):
When you Have.
Speaker 1 (39:32):
Josh, allen the only way he can be. Neutralized it's
Not Steve, spagnola it's Not Bill. Belichick he Owned. Belichick
go look At Josh allen Against. Belichick he owned.
Speaker 3 (39:45):
Him the only.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
Thing that neutralizes the all time great quarterbacks is bad.
Weather that's. It and So, buffalo to their, credit said we're,
Gonna we're. Gonna we gotta make it easier For we
don't want to go into a game against an inferior
court on a team of the good pass. Rush And
josh can't remember a few years how many years ago
was it when there was a nor'easter and was it
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In buffalo Or? Foxborough it Was Mac jones Against Josh.
ALLEN i don't even know where the game was it.
Was it may have been In. Foxborough it was horrible
weather and it was like a good game BETWEEN i
think it Was Mac jones And Josh. ALLEN i swear
my memory hasn't hasn't, Faded and it was like bad
weather hurts the superstar quarterback And buffalo's, like, yea we're
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gonna fix the weather. Thing credit to them so and
credit To Josh, allen WHO i do think is more
talented Than Patrick. Mahomes But mahomes inherited and you read
and that's just a. Difference that's the. Difference it's Bo
Nick Sean, Payton that's the. Difference So jay mac CAN
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i push back on?
Speaker 6 (40:52):
Something?
Speaker 8 (40:52):
Sure see you said the best Super bowl would Be
Bill's lions or the highest, rated the most.
Speaker 4 (40:57):
Interesting what IF i Said Bills.
Speaker 8 (41:00):
Niners you get two, coasts you Get Kyle.
Speaker 4 (41:04):
Shanahan looking to exercise.
Speaker 8 (41:05):
Demons you've got the dead last pick in the, draft
rock party Against Josh. ALLEN i Think Niners bills would
be an unbelievable contrasting styles in quarterbacks and. Coaches offensive
coach first defensive coach in The Super.
Speaker 1 (41:20):
Bowl The niners are The yankees of The West. Coast
they have a huge, following so The niners will always
get a GOOD tv. Rating but Brock perty is not.
Dynamic oh, shit op. THIS i think The lions are
a little bit like The. Cubs remember The Cubs Indians
World Series Lovable?
Speaker 4 (41:39):
Losers yeah, YEAH i mean that's The lions to.
Speaker 6 (41:43):
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