August 11, 2025 • 40 mins
Colin tells you why he was right about Chargers head coach Jim Harbaugh and why he was wrong on Arch Manning.
Plus, he talks to 3-time Pro Bowl QB Matt Hasselbeck about the Bears decision to sit quarterback Caleb Williams and what this tells us about his development under new head coach Ben Johnson
He gives his thoughts on Aaron Rodgers now being on the tier 3 QB list this season
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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hour two.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
We're ready to roll. We are live. It is the Herd.
Matt Hasselbeck's around the corner. Quarterbacks, all of them flip
girls planning, Mahomes is planning. Everybody but Aaron and Matt Stafford.
They're not playing. And we'll get to the Matt Stafford
back injury on that. It was fun. I sat and
watched the Bears and Dolphins. I watched the Jets and
the Packers. Boy, Jets looked like it's one of the
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great teams ever assembled in Lambeau. It's all us funny.
How good the Jets look in August.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
It's just amazing. And they got Jones coming off the
pup list. That's the kid at f who was awesome
two years ago, missed all of the last year. I'm
just telling you that defense has a chance to be
nasty the front seven. Sauce Gardner got paid. He's happy.
The defense will be a problem.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
No, I am Pauth, Aaron Glenn's defensive coach. I don't
doubt that. Here you go, all right, we do it
every Monday. It's more fun, obviously when we have football.
Colin right, Colin wrong, and here we go.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Jim Harball a couple of years ago when he drafted
Joe Alt. Remember last year's draft, and everybody said, oh
I should have taken a receiver. Well Tate, we defended him.
We said, no, go Joe Alt. And Joe Alt is
saving the season. Rashaun Slater's out for the year at
left tackle. They can move Joe Alt, who I've been
told has had a great camp. They can now move
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him to the left tackle. Mackai Becton maybe goes to
right tackle. But this is why he's the anti Mike McDaniel.
It's all about building center guard tackles out, not wide
receivers in. And that Joe all Pick everybody wanted to
receive or they got Lad McConkey in the second round.
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They were fine that Joe altpick could have saved the season.
Where Colin was wrong, Well, arch Mannings family is saying
he's staying at Texas two more years. So I will
take for now a wrong. I think if he slices
up Ohio State there is going to be incredible momentum.
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I think he's really good. I didn't watch a ton
of them. I thought he was better than Quinn Ewers
more athletic throws a better ball. For now, I'll take
a wrong. I think it's the right thing to say.
In the Mannings usually say the right thing, so I'll
take this l.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
Joe Shed Dolphin's reporter reporting that culture, accountability, and physicality
are what Mike McDaniels is preaching in this camp.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
What a shock.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
That's exactly what we've been saying, and it gotten We've
gotten pushed back from Dolphin fans. My take is lot
of sizzle three years into this coaching reign. Where's the stake,
where's the meat and the sandwich? They're not physical, Tyreek
Hill sort of says and does what he wants. What
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makes McVeigh or Shanahan or Andy Reid's special is their
teams are physical and they can be Finesse. Finally, I
at least appreciate the coach acknowledging what.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
The issue is where Colin was wrong.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Fifty NFL executives and coaches came out in Mike Sando's
annual survey, and they've got bow Knicks tied for the
twentieth best quarterback in the league, below Geno Smith. You know,
Smith's been in this league eleven years. He's made the
playoff once. Bo Nicks has been in the year in
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the NFL, one year in a division. Last year with
Herbert Harbaugh and he Mahomes in the AF scene, he
made the playoffs. I Sean Payton and I love bow
Nicks were apparently on an island because they even have
him below Tua, who's smaller, not his athletic, more injury prone,
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and I'd say bo Nick slightly has a better arm.
I don't get it.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Well, not to pick on anybody, but the last two
years people have been telling me quinn yours is something,
and I keep saying I don't see the great traits.
Five of eighteen two fumble sacked twice. I didn't get it.
At Texas, I don't get it. I don't see what
everybody sees.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
No.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
I know he dropped to the seventh round, but before
the draft people were talking second, third, fourth, I don't
see it. You gotta have a trait. I go wow
with not a great anticipatory thrower. You know, he kind
of slings it. Did not look like he was I mean,
he looked like it's a long way to go. And
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that's what I've been saying for two years.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Where Colin was wrong, I.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Thought Jackson dark was better than an anticipating I thought
he threw with anticipation. I always thought he was pretty athletic.
I thought he looked really poised. I thought he looked
really comfortable, you know, like a Bonnicks. Maybe a little
more athletic than I gave him credit for. But you know,
when he got drafted, I said, I probably wouldn't give
up picks that draft him in the first round, but
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you have to be pretty happy. Twelve to nineteen, one
hundred and fifty four yards again, looked comfortable playing with
the backup offensive lineman, good arm strength. I thought he
was impressive. I thought he was really impressive. Where Colin
was right, I don't want to hear about Anthony Richardson's age, Okay,
he's hurt again. Nobody cares about age and experience. You're
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in year three. You got to be able to play.
And so I had said this going into the season.
He has Shane Steichen, one of the really bright offensive minds,
and he regressed last year, so he was a boomer,
a bus pick. I just think by this time you
can't be taking those hits, and it feels like a.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
Miss where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Even the NBA is acknowledging with their Christmas and Opening
Day schedules, the league is lobsided. The Christmas games are
the San Antonio Spurs against the thunder Rockets, Lakers, MAVs, Warriors,
t Wolves Denver. They have one Eastern Conference game and.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
It's the Knicks.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
The West is so much better than the East. Honest
to god, it feels like the SEC in the Pac twelve.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
For about fifteen years.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
Even their opening night games are a hundred percent Western
Conference teams. And that's with big brands out East Philly,
New York, Heat, Celtics. So we've said this before. You
put Lebron in the Lakers out East, Oh, they can compete.
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Luca Lebron Austin Reeves could compete to get to the
Eastern Conference finals. They're a five seed probably maybe a
six to a seven in the West. And with that, oh,
I'm interesting interested excuse me and Matt hassel Back eighteen
years in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
I'm very interesting in and you are interesting, Colin.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
You are.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
It's supposed to be a little Okay, first, I'm going
to start with them jealous because you and I love this.
Took the train and went to a Nate barghozis a
great comedian in Boston last night you just got back.
I think he's absolutely outrageously funny. So I'm just gonna
say right now, I'm not only jealous of your pro
career but your comedic choices. So congratulations. You're a little
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road weary, and I appreciate that.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
Yeah, I'm good, I'm good.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
But listen, you were at the Live tour, so it's
not like you had a boring I mean, come on,
let's lie here, okay.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
So I said, it's okay if you don't want to
pay play Caleb Williams. But I do think it was
a little strategic. Burrow played, Mahomes played Spencer Ratler played
everybody but Tom Brady played like the whole world played
this weekend, and it was almost like he was saying,
you know, he's not quite there. I don't need another
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week of heat from the Chicago media. He took a
lot of snaps in practice. It felt a little strategic.
Speaker 5 (08:32):
Di not.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
Yeah, I sort of agree.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
I mean, everything that Caleb Williams does because he was
the first pick overall, because they basically got rid of
everyone around him last year, built the team around him
this year, everything he does is under the microscope. So yeah,
I'm sure there is some of that protecting him. There's
also something with joint practices now where coaches don't feel
like they need to play their ones in the preseason
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game because they get those reps in a controlled environment
where guys don't take hits with the quarterback, where's a
different color jersey and you know you're keeping your guy healthy.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
And I think that might be part of this.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
Also, if there wasn't a joint practice, I think he
would have played in the game.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Okay, So I said this sort of about Jackson Dart.
You and your generation got thrown to the Wolves. You
didn't have ten thousand snaps by the time you were fourteen.
Jackson dart is a three year starter in the SEC
with Lane Kiffen. It's had private coaching seven on seven.
I don't want to hear about you know, we're gonna
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work him in. It's like, you know what, Matt, they
got a great left tackle, a number one receiver. I
think Brian Dabole is a pretty darn good offensive coach.
I maybe you give Russell the first start. This is
not Anthony Richardson forty one college starts in the SEC
with Lane Kiffin. Why would you not just figure out
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if the kid can play.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
Yeah, I hear what you're saying, and I'm actually just peeking.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
At some of the ages of some of the rookie quarterbacks.
I mean, just because the guy's a rookie doesn't mean
he's the youngest guy. Bo Nix is twenty five years
old as an example.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
But no, I did I did.
Speaker 4 (10:13):
I grew up in the era of you know, you
sit on the bench for a while. I mean Tom
Brady did that, Aaron Rodgers did that. I know that
was my experience as well. I think the New York
Giants have been burned and so they are really sticking
to the plan They've invested heavily in veteran quarterbacks, in
leadership and processed, driven guys who've been there, done it,
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made mistakes, had success in Jameis Winston and Russell Wilson.
So I think they're going to be slow and measured
and patient with Jackson Dart, who they do like a lot.
But I do, but I don't think he's ready. And
I do think the best plan is to start a
guy like Russell Wilson and let Jackson watch.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
But here's the danger.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
Don't just have him sit there and watch, train him
and prepare him to play the way that Patrick Mahomes
was trained in preparing to play when he was sitting
back watching Alex Smith start during his rookie year at
the Kansas City Chiefs. There's activeness to the passivity of
being the backup if you do it right.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
So I watched every snap Shador Sanders took, and I
know there's a lot I don't know, film study, galvanizing teammates,
coach ability, pre snap stuff. I've always understood that's thirty
thirty five forty percent of quarterback.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
I don't see that, but I do see.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
How comfortable are you frenetic Are you comfortable, are you confident?
Do you move well? All the stuff that I'm allowed
to see. I think Chadur's college trades transfer to the NFL.
I think he was accurate. I think he's more. I'm
tired of hearing he's a pocket guy. He moves I
have highlights. He moves fine. I don't know how is off.
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I don't know film, but I was impressed with him.
Why should I not be?
Speaker 4 (12:07):
Yeah, I think there's a lot of encouraging things there.
I mean on the field, he's a guy that looks
like he belongs. I don't think he's going to be
their starting quarterback this year. I think Joe Flacker will
be their starting quarterback. And it's just a weird situation
because they've got four guys and someone's got to go.
You would think, well, Kenny Pickett's missed so much time
in training camp, he really hasn't been around. And then
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the young quarterback Gabriel, he's you know, he's been injured also,
So this is this is an opportunity for Shudre. My
big question is will the Cleveland Browns have the courage
to keep four quarterbacks? And courage is the word I'm
using because it's like no one else does that.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
It doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
But you know, Ray Rhodes, one of my old head coaches,
used to say, hey, we're going to kill a mosquito
with a sledgehammer at this position. And it's like, you know,
that's not the best way to kill a mosquito, but.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
I get the point.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
We're going to overdo it.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
And I think this is a quarterback that has this
is a team that has gone without a quarterback for
so long that they might just say, hey, listen, it's
that important of a position. We like what we have here,
the traits that he's showing. Let's hold on to him
and develop him on the field. He doesn't give me
pause at all. He doesn't worry me at all off
the field, and what he's like in the locker room,
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that's the part that I just don't know. There are
some red flags, but it's hard for me to sit
here and judge that from where I'm sitting. But I
just know that, you know, being the backup quarterback to
someone like Joe Flacco, you're probably not going to have
a guy walking with you on your entrance getting off
the bus. This year, it's going to be a different
feeling from being the star quarterback in college to potentially,
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you know, the second third or maybe even fourth string
quarterback for the Cleveland Browns.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
So burrole played. I don't want Aaron Rodgers playing behind
backup offensive lineman at his age.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
I don't want Kirk Cousins playing. We'll get Stafford in
about three minutes, but I just want to ask burrole
played in my whole almost played. Did you want to
when you were not at your last year but I'm
talking about maybe four years left to play, so you
don't want to get hit and you know the game
and you know the reads, But did you want to
be out there in pre season?
Speaker 3 (14:14):
Yeah? Absolutely I wanted to play.
Speaker 4 (14:17):
And like when Mike Hongrin was the head coach, like
we basically had this kind of agreement and he basically
was like, all right, you can play until you take
a hit, like until you take an unnecessary hit, until
you take a hit.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
You know.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
The tough thing for me.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
As a starting quarterback, I would feel bad for my
offensive lineman because they had to stay in the game
as long as I was in the game. And so like,
you know, I'm putting them at risk. Maybe I'm not
at risk, but I'm putting them at risk, you know.
Speaker 5 (14:41):
And so like.
Speaker 4 (14:41):
Usually I think, like after about a quarter, you're feeling like, okay,
it's time to go now. The one thing that I
did like and I thought was really good in terms
of process is I liked, you know, coming in at halftime,
getting used to that halftime break, and then coming back
out and having a drive or right before the end
of the first half, getting a chance to work on
two minute with all your new hand signals, with any
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players that are new players on your team. Those things
are really valuable that you don't get to simulate in practice,
but sure you want to compete, you want to be
out there, and usually you need the coaches to say no, no,
no time for you to sit down.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
You don't get to play anymore today.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
So Matt Stafford, he's not even dressing for practice. And
as I've aged, I feel pretty good. My back isn't great.
I wake up, need to stretch. Matt Stafford's got a
back injury. He's taken a lot of hits, most of
them in Detroit. Is that worry you a little?
Speaker 3 (15:42):
Well, you're back. It doesn't surprise me. First off. Okay,
sitting is the new smoking.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
You sit all day long, so your back probably feels
like trash. No, I am concerned about Matthew Stafford's back.
I had a bad back injury in two thousand and eight.
Usually you can tell how bad accords back injury is
by if the team sends him to California to see
doctor Bob Watkins. If they do that, you know it's serious.
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Now it's a little harder here because he's already in LA.
But no, I'm concerned. I'm definitely concerned if you take
the factors of his age and all those types of things. Listen,
in eight, I hurt my back in a preseason game
against Taradown and the Minnesota Vikings.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
It was just like this weird thing. It wasn't that bad,
but it never got better. It like never got better
that entire year.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
And you know, the closest thing I could equate it
to is like you burn your mouth, like on a
hot piece of pizza or something, and it just it
doesn't get better quick. And that's kind of what the
back injury typically is. There's all different types of back injuries,
but they just don't seem to get better quick and
then even if they do get better, you've missed all
this time of like heavy weight training or physicality that
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goes into your off season, and you're just not the
version of yourself that you normally are. So I'd be
very concerned if I was a Rams fan right now,
just because Stafford is value well and it's just not
a great place to be.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
I've been there.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
Okay, So JJ McCarthy made one really good throw, it
was a heater, and then in another throw he badly
overthrew an open receiver and it was a heater. And
I've heard these comments they're trying to get him to
do some off speed stuff everything. Remember when Kaepernick was
and that was the knock, like everything's a fastball. And
I think to myself, I mean he's been playing since
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he was probably seven. Like they're teaching them how to
play quarterback.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
I look at that and I think.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
You don't hear very often we're a first round quarterback.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
You're trying to get, you know, trying to the tempo
of the speed of the ball. I'm like, that's I mean,
Kevin O'Connell is probably a great teacher, but what do
I what do I. I watched him and I thought
it's fine, but like there is kind of one speed.
What do I make of those comments?
Speaker 4 (17:50):
Well, he's got good coaches and Kevin O'Connell and Josh mccownt.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
We trust those guys.
Speaker 4 (17:55):
But to me, I would say, you got to use
the other clubs in your bag. It can't be driver
three with two iron, four four iron. Sometimes there's a
there's a there's a nine iron in there, there's this,
there's a sand wedge. I mean, uh, there's there's phrases
in the quarterback room like KYP know your personnel. If
you're throwing to certain guys, he's got to be a
different club. Sometimes you're throwing over defenders instead of through lanes.
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And so those are all things that I think come
with experience. He played a lot at Michigan, didn't throw
the ball a ton at Michigan. But I think what
JJ McCarthy has, he's got the intangibles that you cannot coach.
I think you can coach the what club in the
bag are you use it?
Speaker 3 (18:32):
I think you can coach that.
Speaker 4 (18:34):
I'm someone who would buy on the Minnesota Vikings right now.
I think this is a good team I think this
quarterback will have a good year. But certainly the analogy
that you used with a young Colin Kaepernick, I think
that's a great example of a guy that you know
has a great arm, a very strong arm, can throw
a tight spiral, throw it far, but the clubs in
the bag is certainly a thing.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Matt Hasselbeck road weary, I mean just literally racing to
the in front of his screen to get on the
on the show, buddy, and I always appreciate that.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
The effort awesome. See you, Colin? All right?
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Uh, Matt Hasselback, Yeah, it's I I think his comment
on Shador his mind. Sixty percent of this quarterback position
we can all see. We don't see the forty percent,
and that is Should's got to be really good at that.
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Dak Is, Jalen hurts Is Brock perty is because they're not.
Their traits aren't exceptional. Should's traits aren't exceptional. But if
I have to hear again, he's just a pocket guy. No,
he's not. He can move, He moves better than a
lot of quarterbacks in this league. And he's also it
matters he's in his athletic prime for the next seven years.
He's in his athletic prime. So uh, I thought it
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was pretty good. I thought he looked like it did
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Speaker 1 (20:42):
So this is interesting. From the the Athletic Mike Sandos
Annual Quarterback Survey, he asks fifty executives, GMS, assistant gms,
some coaches, some coordinators. It's very thorough. It's a wide
swath of different opinions here. What's interesting the entire offseason
for bow Knicks has been you know, Sean Payton loves
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him everybody that goes to the Broncos. His teammates love him.
Yet in this survey Tier one, two, three, four, five
level quarterbacks, bow Knicks only gets four Tier two votes.
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Drake May and Kayla Williams both get five, and Kayla
Williams at this point it's hard to find good news,
and Drake May doesn't look right now close to bow
Nicks in terms of production. So it's almost like the
NFL is saying, yeah, Sean Payton's great. Bo Nicks has
a very very low ceiling.
Speaker 5 (21:49):
Now.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
Jayden Daniels got seventeen Tier one votes, Bonnicks got none.
Jaden Daniels got thirty one Tier two votes, Bonicks got four,
and bo Nicks had more touchdowns, more passing touchdowns, more completions,
tougher division, tougher conference, and made the playoffs. So what
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the NFL execs are telling you is, Jaden Daniels is
a superstar. Bo Nicks has a really good coach. J
mckla news, Turn on the news.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
This is the herd Line News all right, let's go
to a quarterback in the AFC column. The number one
overall picked Cam Ward. He made his preseason debut against
the Tampa Bay Buccaneers Saturday. Ward was a crisp five
of eight for sixty seven yards, connected a few times
with Calvin Ridley, they had a nice touchdown drive. Coach
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Brian Callahan knows there's more work to be done. Despite
the impressive showing.
Speaker 6 (22:49):
Camp certainly hasn't arrived yet. You know, we got a
lot of things still we're working on. I thought it
was a good start for him. Encouraging was productive, But yeah,
there's a there's a couple.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
Of things that were keep grinding on.
Speaker 6 (23:01):
I think, still working on getting the ball out fast,
still working on the timing part of it. There's certainly
plenty of things that we're still working on with Cam.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
I thought he looked really comfortable.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
Yeah, yeah, I don't think he has much to work
with at wide receiver. He doesn't have a one or two.
He's got a bunch of threes and fours.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
But I don't know.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
I think he's just I think you and I would
both agree it just looks right. He's got an offensive coach.
I think his offensive line is fine. I feel like
they never have enough, even when they had aj Brown.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
I always feel like.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
The Titans are weapon light, right, But I thought he
looked good.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Interesting that he was the number one overall pick. We
only get him to to him ninety minutes into the show. Meanwhile,
fifth round pick Shader Sanders is in a tunneled chatter
video that goes viral. Everybody's breaking down all this passes
Cam Moore doing it quietly, Colin. I spent some time
looking into the Titans' schedule, which is a reason I'm
bullish on them. So ten of their final fifteen opponents
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are not favored to make the playoffs, meaning they have
them currently out of the playoffs. They're back end of
the schedule, final fifteen ten of They're gonna be like
a tight point spread in those games. Colin, this is
a team I think we legitimately need to watch. Remember
last year Will Levis four pick sixes. I think the
Titans led the NFL and turnovers. This could shockingly be
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a ten win team in Tennessee with Kimball.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
Yeah, I mean, I think the division you play in
goes along. I mean it helped jayde Daniels that he
got Dallas twice and the New York Giants twice, Like
it does help. And I also think, you know, you
play in that division, not a lot of you got
some dome games. You got warm weather road games. I mean,
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and say what you want. It is harder for a
young quarterback or any quarterback to play lousy weather, you know. So,
I mean it's kind of a warm weather conference. There's
no dominant team, there's no dominant defense in the conference. Well,
and if you start looking at if you start looking
at a lot of those teams around him, he's not
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He could be playing with leads or very close games.
So and you and I both like Callahan. I think
he knows what he's doing. I think you know the
Titans need If you told me the Titans like had
a number one, had had a neighbors like like had
a legitimate number one, even Aladdin McConkey, like a slot
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guy that's gonna get eighty catches, like, I would feel different.
I just think they're gonna they're gonna have to win
twenty one twenty a lot.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
Yeah, Well, these first two games are really brutal out
of the gate. They got to go to Denver at altitude.
I think that's the biggest spread of Week one. I
think I saw seven and a half. Then they host
the Rams. Maybe they catch him napping after that. I
don't want to say it's smooth sailing. I'm I'm down
on the coast. Cullin and I when you were out Friday,
I floated this, what if the Colts get the number
one pick in the draft, does Arch Manning come out
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to go to Indy where Peyton his uncle kind of
sort of thrive. I think the Colts are going to
be bad. I'm really down on them after that preseason
game and some of the stuff I've been reading. I
think that division the Titans could win. It could win
the division. Well it's not crazy. A lot of people
like Houston, Well they should.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
They have a proven coach, a playoff coach, and a
playoff quarterback.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
How's that offensive line there, buddy? All right, let's move
on to the second story. Let's go to the Cowboys.
They have the league's highest paid quarterback in Dak Prescott.
But that's not the signal caller Jerry Jones was praising
ahead of their preseason game against the Rams. I'm sure
you saw this video, here's who Jerry believes he got
for a steal.
Speaker 5 (26:50):
I really have to pinch myself that we got him
after the last game that he had starting there for
New England. I'm just excited that we had a chance
to get him and he hasn't. Just a point where
just more and more encouraged about what we're saying.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
That's your boy, Joe Milton. Where's a scene of nineteen
for D forty three? Shador got a little poster. Where's
Joe Milton's poster. I'll say this, dude's got an arm.
He's a little inconsistent, but he's got an arm. He's
a lot like sounds a lot like me. Anyways, the
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final story NBA, cal look at this late August, We've
got NBA because it's Luka Doncic. Now, I know you're
not paying attention to EuroBasket right now, but Luca was
absolutely cooking for Slovenia. Nineteen points five assists in just
twenty four minutes. And then it gets interesting. There is
a report, as Luca Doncic's teammates praised his leadership and
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the new look Luca, there's a report that he is
down thirty pounds this summer. Now, I don't know how
accurate that could be. Could you lose thirty pounds in
the summer if you're not doing like one of the
GLP drugs. He looks thinner, but he was on fire
in EuroBasket. He looked amazing. Or then season's closing in
for Luca.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
Yeah, no, we've said this, Luke. This is like year two.
Luca is he was unstoppable. He was. He was forty
a night if he wanted to score that. And because
he's in great shape, he'll play more minutes and he'll
want the ball more. This will be the first year
in Lebron's career where you will notice how much better
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the best player on a team is than Lebron, because
Lebron's not going to get the ball in his hands
nearly as much. Last year was lumpy Luca.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
I'll stop it.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
I mean it was he. I mean, if you lose
thirty pounds a pro athlete, he didn't weigh three hundred,
you know, I mean, so, I mean he look at it.
Just look at his upper body. He looks much thinner.
He's going to play more minutes and he's going to
dominate the ball like he couldn't dominate the ball. Last year,
he couldn't beat people off the dribble. First year he
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had like twenty five dunks. Last year I had won.
He was a different player. This Luca will be noticeably
better than Lebron. Lebron will average twenty two a game
and Luca's going to average thirty.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
Yeah, listen, I'm excited. I know he's not a big
media guy, but a lot of reports he's going to
be moving into the South Bay out here in La
colin If I can get him on the show, come on,
I know you'd be thrilled. Right, come on, I'll be
seeing him at the dunkin Donuts, the beverage shops. You
know he likes his sweet tooth. I cannot wait for
Luca to dominate the season. Yeah, J Mack with a news.
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Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
herd line.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
Now, Matt Hasselbeck was money. We have Chris Sims coming
up in the next hour. It is I Also, I
was talking this weekend and I think I have two
more opportunities. I think Wednesday or Thursday, I have two
more opportunities. Let's make it Wednesday. To alter my NFL predictions. Now,
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I always do it on Thursday of opening night. That's
my final opportunity. And so I think the starting quarterbacks
in the league got some snaps. Now I don't think
they're going to get as many. Nobody's going to get hurt.
So on Wednesday, I will give you my updated version
with one more left. And last year, if I recall
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my updated version and my season opening version, there was
only one one change. But one of the changes I'm
thinking of making is having Green Bay win the division.
And all off season I've said I don't even know
what to do with the Packers. Chicago's noisy, JJ McCarthy's noisy,
and Detroit looked awful the only time I've watched them
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looked awful. There is something. There's a lot of different
ways to win a division in the NFL. One of
them is continuity and quiet, and boy, green Bay has
been cool. Why I don't care what they looked like
with the Jets, it doesn't mean anything to me. They
had double digit wins last year and Jordan Love was
hurt early and banged up late.
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Speaker 1 (31:36):
The best roster in the league that doesn't have the
knowledge that they have a really high end quarterback arguably
is Minnesota. I mean Detroit, great roster, golf can sling it,
Philadelphia great roster. We know Jalen can play, Baltimore, great roster,
Kansas City a great roster quarterbacks. Minnesota's got a great roster,
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they don't know if they have the right quarterback. And
the one thing I will say, and I watched JJ McCarthy,
I've always said this, I don't think Michigan, like Alabama
with saving kind of prepared him.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
For the NFL.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
Always played with the lead, rarely got hit, great running game,
didn't throw a ton, didn't have to get in shootouts,
always had the best coach and roster.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
I thought he was Okay.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
It does feel like this entire preseason has been about
him gaining his confidence, and I think self doubt is
something we all have, but for quarterbacks and surgeons when
you go into the emergency room, I'm not looking for that.
I need almost a delusional level of playing confidence, not arrogance,
but real confidence. And you know, I think they're trying
(32:44):
to build him up, and I think that's a tough spot.
It's a very good roster. Again, it's it may not
be Philly or Baltimore, it's close. It's definitely in that
Denver area where you're like not a lot of holes, yeah,
a lot and maybe missed no number one receiver in Denver.
Maybe they're missing, you know, and I don't know, do
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they have a number one corner in Minnesota. Maybe maybe not,
but they're not missing much. Here was JJ McCarthy after
this weekend's a preseason game.
Speaker 8 (33:13):
Phil like KO just thought of this as checking another box,
like he really wanted to see the operation and just
you know, the fundamentals and doing the simple things.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
At a high level.
Speaker 8 (33:22):
And I feel like we did that today. It was
a huge kind of growing rep that I felt, like,
you know, just in Jex's confidence in my veins going
to the next one.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
So there's there's a little bit it feels like a
little bit of a baby Steps process. This is not
a Baby Steps coach. It's not a baby Steps roster.
It's not a baby Steps receiving cart. This is a
super Bowl roster. Detroit, Philadelphia are super Bowl rosters. Baltimore,
Kansas City, Buffalo, those are super Bowl rosters. I think
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Minnesota is and so you know, I mean Kevin O'Connell.
We already know they were willing to sign Sam Darnold
for the right number. So that's that's pretty obvious. They
that's not that has been reported. They told Sam right
number will resign. You you know, he got fifteen more
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million a year or ten million more year with Seattle
no state tax in Washington. That's a good move. Like
I Sam should have taken that and be the guy
without somebody breathing down his neck. But it's a this
is a super Bowl roster. The edit thing I've heard
a lot about in the reporting by people I think
are really good in Minnesota is, you know, everything's a fastball.
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We want to scale that back. It's got kind of
a Kaepernick feel where it's like, you know, Kaepernick came
in and it was like I mean, it was like
Noan Ryan. If the breaking ball was off it was
it wasn't a good outing Like we always knew he
threw fast. McCarthy's got he's got zip on it. Here's
hassel Back on that whole tempo and developing an off
speed throw.
Speaker 4 (34:57):
I think what JJ McCarthy has, he's got the intangibles
that you cannot coach. I think you can coach what
club in the bag or you use it. I think
you can coach that. I'm someone who would buy on
the Minnesota Vikings right now. I think this is a
good team. I think this quarterback will have a good year.
But certainly the analogy that you used with a young
Colin Kaepernick, I think that's a great example of a
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guy that you know has a great arm, a very
strong arm, can throw a tight spiral, throw it far.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
But the club's in the bag is certainly a thing.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
So it is interesting because he is an often discussed player.
Aaron Rodgers in the Athletic Poll. If you're just tuning in,
you have it watched today. The Athletic has a fifty
person survey annually from Mike Sando. It's great and by
the way these things fluctuate. A few years ago, Deshaan
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Watson was up there and now you know, like tier
TWOI ish, so these things fluctuate and it's mostly very,
very predictable. Aaron Rodgers was sixteenth, So Aaron Rodgers was
in tier three. I think that's where he is. He
is now a pocket quarterback. He's not taking staffs in
the preseason. I think he's a beautiful he's a pretty quarterback,
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but he didn't want to take hits, and I think,
you know, Matt Stafford is willing to sit in the pocket.
That's also why Matt Stafford may have a bad back
right now. But if that's where Aaron Rodgers is, when
I hear this Steel City Savior, guys take the name away,
sixteenth is in line with.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
Drake May.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
You know, like Drake May is not even in arguably
his athletic prime. So right now, Aaron in the preseason,
he's a headset guy. He's not taking a hit guy.
So I don't think that's a knock on him. The
NFL executives think he's right in the middle of the pack,
and that's what I've said. The one thing about Aaron
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and I do not blame him at all. Let me
he doesn't want to take a hit. So there's going
to be stuff like Shador Sanders had a moment a
Saturday or Friday when he was going to take a
hit and he stood in there and made the throw.
Not everybody's going to do that old quarter of ba
Ali Manning didn't want to do that at the end.
Tom didn't want to do that at the end. So
what's interesting about Tier three you're watching or listening to
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my show. Trevor Lawrence and Aaron Rodgers are both in
Tier three. So let me ask you. You're a general manager,
you can choose either for the next two years to
lead your franchise. Who would you choose? I would choose
Trevor Lawrence. He's in his athletic prime. He's still going
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to sit in that pocket and take a hit. He's
totally committed in the off season. Not a shot at Aaron,
but he's mostly committed. And I think that stuff matters.
And I think at this point Trevor is a much
better athlete Trevor than Runstill, so even in the Tier
three and you kind of say, oh, I would take
bow Nicks over Aaron, I think he's much more athletic
at this point, and he's also more malleable, more coachable.
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At this point, He's totally committed in the offseason, spent
the off season a lot of it with Drew Brees.
So even in this tier three that Aaron zad I
would take Trevor to start today, I would take Bonnicks
to start. I would take Drake May to start. Bryce
young Is I'm just I need more, I need another
half season. But I would say even though here he's
top of Tier three with with Kyler Murray, if I
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was going to pin down all those gms and say
two years commit to the quarterbacks, I think he'd be
at the bottom of tier three. So I think when
Pittsburgh fans are seeing Aaron as a.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
Savior, be very careful.
Speaker 1 (38:40):
Could I say this, Russell Wilson is the top quarterback
in Tier four. Is Aaron today closer to Russell Wilson
than he is Bonnicks? I think he is in terms
of doesn't have his fastball athletically, and I don't think
he wants to sit and take big shots. So that's
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an underrated part of being quarterback. And by the way,
since twenty twenty two. This is with Matt Lafleur and
the Jets, and you know, so this is two different teams.
Aaron Rodgers has a worse completion percentage than Daniel Jones,
and fewer touchdown passes than Derek Carr, and a lower
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passer rating than Russell Wilson. So you may cringe when
I say he's closer to Russell than Bo, but that's
what the numbers say. And one of those years is
with Matt Lafleur in Green Bay's offensive line. So this
is not a knock on Aaron. I think the athletic
got it right. I think Aaron and Russell are kind
of in that sixteen seventeen eighteen spot. So whereas nobody
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in New York sees Russell as the savior, I think
there are people in Pittsburgh that see Aaron is the savior.
And it's like no, no, no, that's not Happiness is directly
correlate or connected to expectations. If you look at Aaron
and think, here's a realistic err in yere, Let's get
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fifteen starts, twenty four touchdowns, nine picks, and you go
nine and eight. They may not do that. That feels
you're not gonna mean rushing touchdowns. He's going to complete
sixty three sixty four lead the NFL, and throwaways that's eight, nine,
(40:26):
nine and eight feels like realistic
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Here we go, it's
hour two.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
We're ready to roll. We are live. It is the Herd.
Matt Hasselbeck's around the corner. Quarterbacks, all of them flip
girls planning, Mahomes is planning. Everybody but Aaron and Matt Stafford.
They're not playing. And we'll get to the Matt Stafford
back injury on that. It was fun. I sat and
watched the Bears and Dolphins. I watched the Jets and
the Packers. Boy, Jets looked like it's one of the
(00:49):
great teams ever assembled in Lambeau. It's all us funny.
How good the Jets look in August.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
It's just amazing. And they got Jones coming off the
pup list. That's the kid at f who was awesome
two years ago, missed all of the last year. I'm
just telling you that defense has a chance to be
nasty the front seven. Sauce Gardner got paid. He's happy.
The defense will be a problem.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
No, I am Pauth, Aaron Glenn's defensive coach. I don't
doubt that. Here you go, all right, we do it
every Monday. It's more fun, obviously when we have football.
Colin right, Colin wrong, and here we go.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Jim Harball a couple of years ago when he drafted
Joe Alt. Remember last year's draft, and everybody said, oh
I should have taken a receiver. Well Tate, we defended him.
We said, no, go Joe Alt. And Joe Alt is
saving the season. Rashaun Slater's out for the year at
left tackle. They can move Joe Alt, who I've been
told has had a great camp. They can now move
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him to the left tackle. Mackai Becton maybe goes to
right tackle. But this is why he's the anti Mike McDaniel.
It's all about building center guard tackles out, not wide
receivers in. And that Joe all Pick everybody wanted to
receive or they got Lad McConkey in the second round.
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They were fine that Joe altpick could have saved the season.
Where Colin was wrong, Well, arch Mannings family is saying
he's staying at Texas two more years. So I will
take for now a wrong. I think if he slices
up Ohio State there is going to be incredible momentum.
(02:24):
I think he's really good. I didn't watch a ton
of them. I thought he was better than Quinn Ewers
more athletic throws a better ball. For now, I'll take
a wrong. I think it's the right thing to say.
In the Mannings usually say the right thing, so I'll
take this l.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
Joe Shed Dolphin's reporter reporting that culture, accountability, and physicality
are what Mike McDaniels is preaching in this camp.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
What a shock.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
That's exactly what we've been saying, and it gotten We've
gotten pushed back from Dolphin fans. My take is lot
of sizzle three years into this coaching reign. Where's the stake,
where's the meat and the sandwich? They're not physical, Tyreek
Hill sort of says and does what he wants. What
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makes McVeigh or Shanahan or Andy Reid's special is their
teams are physical and they can be Finesse. Finally, I
at least appreciate the coach acknowledging what.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
The issue is where Colin was wrong.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Fifty NFL executives and coaches came out in Mike Sando's
annual survey, and they've got bow Knicks tied for the
twentieth best quarterback in the league, below Geno Smith. You know,
Smith's been in this league eleven years. He's made the
playoff once. Bo Nicks has been in the year in
(03:54):
the NFL, one year in a division. Last year with
Herbert Harbaugh and he Mahomes in the AF scene, he
made the playoffs. I Sean Payton and I love bow
Nicks were apparently on an island because they even have
him below Tua, who's smaller, not his athletic, more injury prone,
(04:15):
and I'd say bo Nick slightly has a better arm.
I don't get it.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Well, not to pick on anybody, but the last two
years people have been telling me quinn yours is something,
and I keep saying I don't see the great traits.
Five of eighteen two fumble sacked twice. I didn't get it.
At Texas, I don't get it. I don't see what
everybody sees.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
No.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
I know he dropped to the seventh round, but before
the draft people were talking second, third, fourth, I don't
see it. You gotta have a trait. I go wow
with not a great anticipatory thrower. You know, he kind
of slings it. Did not look like he was I mean,
he looked like it's a long way to go. And
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that's what I've been saying for two years.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Where Colin was wrong, I.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Thought Jackson dark was better than an anticipating I thought
he threw with anticipation. I always thought he was pretty athletic.
I thought he looked really poised. I thought he looked
really comfortable, you know, like a Bonnicks. Maybe a little
more athletic than I gave him credit for. But you know,
when he got drafted, I said, I probably wouldn't give
up picks that draft him in the first round, but
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you have to be pretty happy. Twelve to nineteen, one
hundred and fifty four yards again, looked comfortable playing with
the backup offensive lineman, good arm strength. I thought he
was impressive. I thought he was really impressive. Where Colin
was right, I don't want to hear about Anthony Richardson's age, Okay,
he's hurt again. Nobody cares about age and experience. You're
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in year three. You got to be able to play.
And so I had said this going into the season.
He has Shane Steichen, one of the really bright offensive minds,
and he regressed last year, so he was a boomer,
a bus pick. I just think by this time you
can't be taking those hits, and it feels like a.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
Miss where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Even the NBA is acknowledging with their Christmas and Opening
Day schedules, the league is lobsided. The Christmas games are
the San Antonio Spurs against the thunder Rockets, Lakers, MAVs, Warriors,
t Wolves Denver. They have one Eastern Conference game and.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
It's the Knicks.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
The West is so much better than the East. Honest
to god, it feels like the SEC in the Pac twelve.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
For about fifteen years.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
Even their opening night games are a hundred percent Western
Conference teams. And that's with big brands out East Philly,
New York, Heat, Celtics. So we've said this before. You
put Lebron in the Lakers out East, Oh, they can compete.
(07:07):
Luca Lebron Austin Reeves could compete to get to the
Eastern Conference finals. They're a five seed probably maybe a
six to a seven in the West. And with that, oh,
I'm interesting interested excuse me and Matt hassel Back eighteen
years in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
I'm very interesting in and you are interesting, Colin.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
You are.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
It's supposed to be a little Okay, first, I'm going
to start with them jealous because you and I love this.
Took the train and went to a Nate barghozis a
great comedian in Boston last night you just got back.
I think he's absolutely outrageously funny. So I'm just gonna
say right now, I'm not only jealous of your pro
career but your comedic choices. So congratulations. You're a little
(07:53):
road weary, and I appreciate that.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
Yeah, I'm good, I'm good.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
But listen, you were at the Live tour, so it's
not like you had a boring I mean, come on,
let's lie here, okay.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
So I said, it's okay if you don't want to
pay play Caleb Williams. But I do think it was
a little strategic. Burrow played, Mahomes played Spencer Ratler played
everybody but Tom Brady played like the whole world played
this weekend, and it was almost like he was saying,
you know, he's not quite there. I don't need another
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week of heat from the Chicago media. He took a
lot of snaps in practice. It felt a little strategic.
Speaker 5 (08:32):
Di not.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
Yeah, I sort of agree.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
I mean, everything that Caleb Williams does because he was
the first pick overall, because they basically got rid of
everyone around him last year, built the team around him
this year, everything he does is under the microscope. So yeah,
I'm sure there is some of that protecting him. There's
also something with joint practices now where coaches don't feel
like they need to play their ones in the preseason
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game because they get those reps in a controlled environment
where guys don't take hits with the quarterback, where's a
different color jersey and you know you're keeping your guy healthy.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
And I think that might be part of this.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
Also, if there wasn't a joint practice, I think he
would have played in the game.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Okay, So I said this sort of about Jackson Dart.
You and your generation got thrown to the Wolves. You
didn't have ten thousand snaps by the time you were fourteen.
Jackson dart is a three year starter in the SEC
with Lane Kiffen. It's had private coaching seven on seven.
I don't want to hear about you know, we're gonna
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work him in. It's like, you know what, Matt, they
got a great left tackle, a number one receiver. I
think Brian Dabole is a pretty darn good offensive coach.
I maybe you give Russell the first start. This is
not Anthony Richardson forty one college starts in the SEC
with Lane Kiffin. Why would you not just figure out
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if the kid can play.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
Yeah, I hear what you're saying, and I'm actually just peeking.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
At some of the ages of some of the rookie quarterbacks.
I mean, just because the guy's a rookie doesn't mean
he's the youngest guy. Bo Nix is twenty five years
old as an example.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
But no, I did I did.
Speaker 4 (10:13):
I grew up in the era of you know, you
sit on the bench for a while. I mean Tom
Brady did that, Aaron Rodgers did that. I know that
was my experience as well. I think the New York
Giants have been burned and so they are really sticking
to the plan They've invested heavily in veteran quarterbacks, in
leadership and processed, driven guys who've been there, done it,
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made mistakes, had success in Jameis Winston and Russell Wilson.
So I think they're going to be slow and measured
and patient with Jackson Dart, who they do like a lot.
But I do, but I don't think he's ready. And
I do think the best plan is to start a
guy like Russell Wilson and let Jackson watch.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
But here's the danger.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
Don't just have him sit there and watch, train him
and prepare him to play the way that Patrick Mahomes
was trained in preparing to play when he was sitting
back watching Alex Smith start during his rookie year at
the Kansas City Chiefs. There's activeness to the passivity of
being the backup if you do it right.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
So I watched every snap Shador Sanders took, and I
know there's a lot I don't know, film study, galvanizing teammates,
coach ability, pre snap stuff. I've always understood that's thirty
thirty five forty percent of quarterback.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
I don't see that, but I do see.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
How comfortable are you frenetic Are you comfortable, are you confident?
Do you move well? All the stuff that I'm allowed
to see. I think Chadur's college trades transfer to the NFL.
I think he was accurate. I think he's more. I'm
tired of hearing he's a pocket guy. He moves I
have highlights. He moves fine. I don't know how is off.
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I don't know film, but I was impressed with him.
Why should I not be?
Speaker 4 (12:07):
Yeah, I think there's a lot of encouraging things there.
I mean on the field, he's a guy that looks
like he belongs. I don't think he's going to be
their starting quarterback this year. I think Joe Flacker will
be their starting quarterback. And it's just a weird situation
because they've got four guys and someone's got to go.
You would think, well, Kenny Pickett's missed so much time
in training camp, he really hasn't been around. And then
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the young quarterback Gabriel, he's you know, he's been injured also,
So this is this is an opportunity for Shudre. My
big question is will the Cleveland Browns have the courage
to keep four quarterbacks? And courage is the word I'm
using because it's like no one else does that.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
It doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
But you know, Ray Rhodes, one of my old head coaches,
used to say, hey, we're going to kill a mosquito
with a sledgehammer at this position. And it's like, you know,
that's not the best way to kill a mosquito, but.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
I get the point.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
We're going to overdo it.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
And I think this is a quarterback that has this
is a team that has gone without a quarterback for
so long that they might just say, hey, listen, it's
that important of a position. We like what we have here,
the traits that he's showing. Let's hold on to him
and develop him on the field. He doesn't give me
pause at all. He doesn't worry me at all off
the field, and what he's like in the locker room,
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that's the part that I just don't know. There are
some red flags, but it's hard for me to sit
here and judge that from where I'm sitting. But I
just know that, you know, being the backup quarterback to
someone like Joe Flacco, you're probably not going to have
a guy walking with you on your entrance getting off
the bus. This year, it's going to be a different
feeling from being the star quarterback in college to potentially,
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you know, the second third or maybe even fourth string
quarterback for the Cleveland Browns.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
So burrole played. I don't want Aaron Rodgers playing behind
backup offensive lineman at his age.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
I don't want Kirk Cousins playing. We'll get Stafford in
about three minutes, but I just want to ask burrole
played in my whole almost played. Did you want to
when you were not at your last year but I'm
talking about maybe four years left to play, so you
don't want to get hit and you know the game
and you know the reads, But did you want to
be out there in pre season?
Speaker 3 (14:14):
Yeah? Absolutely I wanted to play.
Speaker 4 (14:17):
And like when Mike Hongrin was the head coach, like
we basically had this kind of agreement and he basically
was like, all right, you can play until you take
a hit, like until you take an unnecessary hit, until
you take a hit.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
You know.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
The tough thing for me.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
As a starting quarterback, I would feel bad for my
offensive lineman because they had to stay in the game
as long as I was in the game. And so like,
you know, I'm putting them at risk. Maybe I'm not
at risk, but I'm putting them at risk, you know.
Speaker 5 (14:41):
And so like.
Speaker 4 (14:41):
Usually I think, like after about a quarter, you're feeling like, okay,
it's time to go now. The one thing that I
did like and I thought was really good in terms
of process is I liked, you know, coming in at halftime,
getting used to that halftime break, and then coming back
out and having a drive or right before the end
of the first half, getting a chance to work on
two minute with all your new hand signals, with any
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players that are new players on your team. Those things
are really valuable that you don't get to simulate in practice,
but sure you want to compete, you want to be
out there, and usually you need the coaches to say no, no,
no time for you to sit down.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
You don't get to play anymore today.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
So Matt Stafford, he's not even dressing for practice. And
as I've aged, I feel pretty good. My back isn't great.
I wake up, need to stretch. Matt Stafford's got a
back injury. He's taken a lot of hits, most of
them in Detroit. Is that worry you a little?
Speaker 3 (15:42):
Well, you're back. It doesn't surprise me. First off. Okay,
sitting is the new smoking.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
You sit all day long, so your back probably feels
like trash. No, I am concerned about Matthew Stafford's back.
I had a bad back injury in two thousand and eight.
Usually you can tell how bad accords back injury is
by if the team sends him to California to see
doctor Bob Watkins. If they do that, you know it's serious.
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Now it's a little harder here because he's already in LA.
But no, I'm concerned. I'm definitely concerned if you take
the factors of his age and all those types of things. Listen,
in eight, I hurt my back in a preseason game
against Taradown and the Minnesota Vikings.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
It was just like this weird thing. It wasn't that bad,
but it never got better. It like never got better
that entire year.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
And you know, the closest thing I could equate it
to is like you burn your mouth, like on a
hot piece of pizza or something, and it just it
doesn't get better quick. And that's kind of what the
back injury typically is. There's all different types of back injuries,
but they just don't seem to get better quick and
then even if they do get better, you've missed all
this time of like heavy weight training or physicality that
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goes into your off season, and you're just not the
version of yourself that you normally are. So I'd be
very concerned if I was a Rams fan right now,
just because Stafford is value well and it's just not
a great place to be.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
I've been there.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
Okay, So JJ McCarthy made one really good throw, it
was a heater, and then in another throw he badly
overthrew an open receiver and it was a heater. And
I've heard these comments they're trying to get him to
do some off speed stuff everything. Remember when Kaepernick was
and that was the knock, like everything's a fastball. And
I think to myself, I mean he's been playing since
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he was probably seven. Like they're teaching them how to
play quarterback.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
I look at that and I think.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
You don't hear very often we're a first round quarterback.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
You're trying to get, you know, trying to the tempo
of the speed of the ball. I'm like, that's I mean,
Kevin O'Connell is probably a great teacher, but what do
I what do I. I watched him and I thought
it's fine, but like there is kind of one speed.
What do I make of those comments?
Speaker 4 (17:50):
Well, he's got good coaches and Kevin O'Connell and Josh mccownt.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
We trust those guys.
Speaker 4 (17:55):
But to me, I would say, you got to use
the other clubs in your bag. It can't be driver
three with two iron, four four iron. Sometimes there's a
there's a there's a nine iron in there, there's this,
there's a sand wedge. I mean, uh, there's there's phrases
in the quarterback room like KYP know your personnel. If
you're throwing to certain guys, he's got to be a
different club. Sometimes you're throwing over defenders instead of through lanes.
(18:18):
And so those are all things that I think come
with experience. He played a lot at Michigan, didn't throw
the ball a ton at Michigan. But I think what
JJ McCarthy has, he's got the intangibles that you cannot coach.
I think you can coach the what club in the
bag are you use it?
Speaker 3 (18:32):
I think you can coach that.
Speaker 4 (18:34):
I'm someone who would buy on the Minnesota Vikings right now.
I think this is a good team I think this
quarterback will have a good year. But certainly the analogy
that you used with a young Colin Kaepernick, I think
that's a great example of a guy that you know
has a great arm, a very strong arm, can throw
a tight spiral, throw it far, but the clubs in
the bag is certainly a thing.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Matt Hasselbeck road weary, I mean just literally racing to
the in front of his screen to get on the
on the show, buddy, and I always appreciate that.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
The effort awesome. See you, Colin? All right?
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Uh, Matt Hasselback, Yeah, it's I I think his comment
on Shador his mind. Sixty percent of this quarterback position
we can all see. We don't see the forty percent,
and that is Should's got to be really good at that.
(19:29):
Dak Is, Jalen hurts Is Brock perty is because they're not.
Their traits aren't exceptional. Should's traits aren't exceptional. But if
I have to hear again, he's just a pocket guy. No,
he's not. He can move, He moves better than a
lot of quarterbacks in this league. And he's also it
matters he's in his athletic prime for the next seven years.
He's in his athletic prime. So uh, I thought it
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was pretty good. I thought he looked like it did
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Speaker 1 (20:42):
So this is interesting. From the the Athletic Mike Sandos
Annual Quarterback Survey, he asks fifty executives, GMS, assistant gms,
some coaches, some coordinators. It's very thorough. It's a wide
swath of different opinions here. What's interesting the entire offseason
for bow Knicks has been you know, Sean Payton loves
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him everybody that goes to the Broncos. His teammates love him.
Yet in this survey Tier one, two, three, four, five
level quarterbacks, bow Knicks only gets four Tier two votes.
(21:28):
Drake May and Kayla Williams both get five, and Kayla
Williams at this point it's hard to find good news,
and Drake May doesn't look right now close to bow
Nicks in terms of production. So it's almost like the
NFL is saying, yeah, Sean Payton's great. Bo Nicks has
a very very low ceiling.
Speaker 5 (21:49):
Now.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
Jayden Daniels got seventeen Tier one votes, Bonnicks got none.
Jaden Daniels got thirty one Tier two votes, Bonicks got four,
and bo Nicks had more touchdowns, more passing touchdowns, more completions,
tougher division, tougher conference, and made the playoffs. So what
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the NFL execs are telling you is, Jaden Daniels is
a superstar. Bo Nicks has a really good coach. J
mckla news, Turn on the news.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
This is the herd Line News all right, let's go
to a quarterback in the AFC column. The number one
overall picked Cam Ward. He made his preseason debut against
the Tampa Bay Buccaneers Saturday. Ward was a crisp five
of eight for sixty seven yards, connected a few times
with Calvin Ridley, they had a nice touchdown drive. Coach
(22:44):
Brian Callahan knows there's more work to be done. Despite
the impressive showing.
Speaker 6 (22:49):
Camp certainly hasn't arrived yet. You know, we got a
lot of things still we're working on. I thought it
was a good start for him. Encouraging was productive, But yeah,
there's a there's a couple.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
Of things that were keep grinding on.
Speaker 6 (23:01):
I think, still working on getting the ball out fast,
still working on the timing part of it. There's certainly
plenty of things that we're still working on with Cam.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
I thought he looked really comfortable.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
Yeah, yeah, I don't think he has much to work
with at wide receiver. He doesn't have a one or two.
He's got a bunch of threes and fours.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
But I don't know.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
I think he's just I think you and I would
both agree it just looks right. He's got an offensive coach.
I think his offensive line is fine. I feel like
they never have enough, even when they had aj Brown.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
I always feel like.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
The Titans are weapon light, right, But I thought he
looked good.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Interesting that he was the number one overall pick. We
only get him to to him ninety minutes into the show. Meanwhile,
fifth round pick Shader Sanders is in a tunneled chatter
video that goes viral. Everybody's breaking down all this passes
Cam Moore doing it quietly, Colin. I spent some time
looking into the Titans' schedule, which is a reason I'm
bullish on them. So ten of their final fifteen opponents
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are not favored to make the playoffs, meaning they have
them currently out of the playoffs. They're back end of
the schedule, final fifteen ten of They're gonna be like
a tight point spread in those games. Colin, this is
a team I think we legitimately need to watch. Remember
last year Will Levis four pick sixes. I think the
Titans led the NFL and turnovers. This could shockingly be
(24:29):
a ten win team in Tennessee with Kimball.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
Yeah, I mean, I think the division you play in
goes along. I mean it helped jayde Daniels that he
got Dallas twice and the New York Giants twice, Like
it does help. And I also think, you know, you
play in that division, not a lot of you got
some dome games. You got warm weather road games. I mean,
(24:54):
and say what you want. It is harder for a
young quarterback or any quarterback to play lousy weather, you know. So,
I mean it's kind of a warm weather conference. There's
no dominant team, there's no dominant defense in the conference. Well,
and if you start looking at if you start looking
at a lot of those teams around him, he's not
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He could be playing with leads or very close games.
So and you and I both like Callahan. I think
he knows what he's doing. I think you know the
Titans need If you told me the Titans like had
a number one, had had a neighbors like like had
a legitimate number one, even Aladdin McConkey, like a slot
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guy that's gonna get eighty catches, like, I would feel different.
I just think they're gonna they're gonna have to win
twenty one twenty a lot.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
Yeah, Well, these first two games are really brutal out
of the gate. They got to go to Denver at altitude.
I think that's the biggest spread of Week one. I
think I saw seven and a half. Then they host
the Rams. Maybe they catch him napping after that. I
don't want to say it's smooth sailing. I'm I'm down
on the coast. Cullin and I when you were out Friday,
I floated this, what if the Colts get the number
one pick in the draft, does Arch Manning come out
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to go to Indy where Peyton his uncle kind of
sort of thrive. I think the Colts are going to
be bad. I'm really down on them after that preseason
game and some of the stuff I've been reading. I
think that division the Titans could win. It could win
the division. Well it's not crazy. A lot of people
like Houston, Well they should.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
They have a proven coach, a playoff coach, and a
playoff quarterback.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
How's that offensive line there, buddy? All right, let's move
on to the second story. Let's go to the Cowboys.
They have the league's highest paid quarterback in Dak Prescott.
But that's not the signal caller Jerry Jones was praising
ahead of their preseason game against the Rams. I'm sure
you saw this video, here's who Jerry believes he got
for a steal.
Speaker 5 (26:50):
I really have to pinch myself that we got him
after the last game that he had starting there for
New England. I'm just excited that we had a chance
to get him and he hasn't. Just a point where
just more and more encouraged about what we're saying.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
That's your boy, Joe Milton. Where's a scene of nineteen
for D forty three? Shador got a little poster. Where's
Joe Milton's poster. I'll say this, dude's got an arm.
He's a little inconsistent, but he's got an arm. He's
a lot like sounds a lot like me. Anyways, the
(27:26):
final story NBA, cal look at this late August, We've
got NBA because it's Luka Doncic. Now, I know you're
not paying attention to EuroBasket right now, but Luca was
absolutely cooking for Slovenia. Nineteen points five assists in just
twenty four minutes. And then it gets interesting. There is
a report, as Luca Doncic's teammates praised his leadership and
(27:50):
the new look Luca, there's a report that he is
down thirty pounds this summer. Now, I don't know how
accurate that could be. Could you lose thirty pounds in
the summer if you're not doing like one of the
GLP drugs. He looks thinner, but he was on fire
in EuroBasket. He looked amazing. Or then season's closing in
for Luca.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
Yeah, no, we've said this, Luke. This is like year two.
Luca is he was unstoppable. He was. He was forty
a night if he wanted to score that. And because
he's in great shape, he'll play more minutes and he'll
want the ball more. This will be the first year
in Lebron's career where you will notice how much better
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the best player on a team is than Lebron, because
Lebron's not going to get the ball in his hands
nearly as much. Last year was lumpy Luca.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
I'll stop it.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
I mean it was he. I mean, if you lose
thirty pounds a pro athlete, he didn't weigh three hundred,
you know, I mean, so, I mean he look at it.
Just look at his upper body. He looks much thinner.
He's going to play more minutes and he's going to
dominate the ball like he couldn't dominate the ball. Last year,
he couldn't beat people off the dribble. First year he
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had like twenty five dunks. Last year I had won.
He was a different player. This Luca will be noticeably
better than Lebron. Lebron will average twenty two a game
and Luca's going to average thirty.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
Yeah, listen, I'm excited. I know he's not a big
media guy, but a lot of reports he's going to
be moving into the South Bay out here in La
colin If I can get him on the show, come on,
I know you'd be thrilled. Right, come on, I'll be
seeing him at the dunkin Donuts, the beverage shops. You
know he likes his sweet tooth. I cannot wait for
Luca to dominate the season. Yeah, J Mack with a news.
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Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
herd line.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
Now, Matt Hasselbeck was money. We have Chris Sims coming
up in the next hour. It is I Also, I
was talking this weekend and I think I have two
more opportunities. I think Wednesday or Thursday, I have two
more opportunities. Let's make it Wednesday. To alter my NFL predictions. Now,
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I always do it on Thursday of opening night. That's
my final opportunity. And so I think the starting quarterbacks
in the league got some snaps. Now I don't think
they're going to get as many. Nobody's going to get hurt.
So on Wednesday, I will give you my updated version
with one more left. And last year, if I recall
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my updated version and my season opening version, there was
only one one change. But one of the changes I'm
thinking of making is having Green Bay win the division.
And all off season I've said I don't even know
what to do with the Packers. Chicago's noisy, JJ McCarthy's noisy,
and Detroit looked awful the only time I've watched them
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looked awful. There is something. There's a lot of different
ways to win a division in the NFL. One of
them is continuity and quiet, and boy, green Bay has
been cool. Why I don't care what they looked like
with the Jets, it doesn't mean anything to me. They
had double digit wins last year and Jordan Love was
hurt early and banged up late.
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Speaker 1 (31:36):
The best roster in the league that doesn't have the
knowledge that they have a really high end quarterback arguably
is Minnesota. I mean Detroit, great roster, golf can sling it,
Philadelphia great roster. We know Jalen can play, Baltimore, great roster,
Kansas City a great roster quarterbacks. Minnesota's got a great roster,
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they don't know if they have the right quarterback. And
the one thing I will say, and I watched JJ McCarthy,
I've always said this, I don't think Michigan, like Alabama
with saving kind of prepared him.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
For the NFL.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
Always played with the lead, rarely got hit, great running game,
didn't throw a ton, didn't have to get in shootouts,
always had the best coach and roster.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
I thought he was Okay.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
It does feel like this entire preseason has been about
him gaining his confidence, and I think self doubt is
something we all have, but for quarterbacks and surgeons when
you go into the emergency room, I'm not looking for that.
I need almost a delusional level of playing confidence, not arrogance,
but real confidence. And you know, I think they're trying
(32:44):
to build him up, and I think that's a tough spot.
It's a very good roster. Again, it's it may not
be Philly or Baltimore, it's close. It's definitely in that
Denver area where you're like not a lot of holes, yeah,
a lot and maybe missed no number one receiver in Denver.
Maybe they're missing, you know, and I don't know, do
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they have a number one corner in Minnesota. Maybe maybe not,
but they're not missing much. Here was JJ McCarthy after
this weekend's a preseason game.
Speaker 8 (33:13):
Phil like KO just thought of this as checking another box,
like he really wanted to see the operation and just
you know, the fundamentals and doing the simple things.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
At a high level.
Speaker 8 (33:22):
And I feel like we did that today. It was
a huge kind of growing rep that I felt, like,
you know, just in Jex's confidence in my veins going
to the next one.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
So there's there's a little bit it feels like a
little bit of a baby Steps process. This is not
a Baby Steps coach. It's not a baby Steps roster.
It's not a baby Steps receiving cart. This is a
super Bowl roster. Detroit, Philadelphia are super Bowl rosters. Baltimore,
Kansas City, Buffalo, those are super Bowl rosters. I think
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Minnesota is and so you know, I mean Kevin O'Connell.
We already know they were willing to sign Sam Darnold
for the right number. So that's that's pretty obvious. They
that's not that has been reported. They told Sam right
number will resign. You you know, he got fifteen more
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million a year or ten million more year with Seattle
no state tax in Washington. That's a good move. Like
I Sam should have taken that and be the guy
without somebody breathing down his neck. But it's a this
is a super Bowl roster. The edit thing I've heard
a lot about in the reporting by people I think
are really good in Minnesota is, you know, everything's a fastball.
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We want to scale that back. It's got kind of
a Kaepernick feel where it's like, you know, Kaepernick came
in and it was like I mean, it was like
Noan Ryan. If the breaking ball was off it was
it wasn't a good outing Like we always knew he
threw fast. McCarthy's got he's got zip on it. Here's
hassel Back on that whole tempo and developing an off
speed throw.
Speaker 4 (34:57):
I think what JJ McCarthy has, he's got the intangibles
that you cannot coach. I think you can coach what
club in the bag or you use it. I think
you can coach that. I'm someone who would buy on
the Minnesota Vikings right now. I think this is a
good team. I think this quarterback will have a good year.
But certainly the analogy that you used with a young
Colin Kaepernick, I think that's a great example of a
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guy that you know has a great arm, a very
strong arm, can throw a tight spiral, throw it far.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
But the club's in the bag is certainly a thing.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
So it is interesting because he is an often discussed player.
Aaron Rodgers in the Athletic Poll. If you're just tuning in,
you have it watched today. The Athletic has a fifty
person survey annually from Mike Sando. It's great and by
the way these things fluctuate. A few years ago, Deshaan
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Watson was up there and now you know, like tier
TWOI ish, so these things fluctuate and it's mostly very,
very predictable. Aaron Rodgers was sixteenth, So Aaron Rodgers was
in tier three. I think that's where he is. He
is now a pocket quarterback. He's not taking staffs in
the preseason. I think he's a beautiful he's a pretty quarterback,
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but he didn't want to take hits, and I think,
you know, Matt Stafford is willing to sit in the pocket.
That's also why Matt Stafford may have a bad back
right now. But if that's where Aaron Rodgers is, when
I hear this Steel City Savior, guys take the name away,
sixteenth is in line with.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
Drake May.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
You know, like Drake May is not even in arguably
his athletic prime. So right now, Aaron in the preseason,
he's a headset guy. He's not taking a hit guy.
So I don't think that's a knock on him. The
NFL executives think he's right in the middle of the pack,
and that's what I've said. The one thing about Aaron
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and I do not blame him at all. Let me
he doesn't want to take a hit. So there's going
to be stuff like Shador Sanders had a moment a
Saturday or Friday when he was going to take a
hit and he stood in there and made the throw.
Not everybody's going to do that old quarter of ba
Ali Manning didn't want to do that at the end.
Tom didn't want to do that at the end. So
what's interesting about Tier three you're watching or listening to
(37:17):
my show. Trevor Lawrence and Aaron Rodgers are both in
Tier three. So let me ask you. You're a general manager,
you can choose either for the next two years to
lead your franchise. Who would you choose? I would choose
Trevor Lawrence. He's in his athletic prime. He's still going
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to sit in that pocket and take a hit. He's
totally committed in the off season. Not a shot at Aaron,
but he's mostly committed. And I think that stuff matters.
And I think at this point Trevor is a much
better athlete Trevor than Runstill, so even in the Tier
three and you kind of say, oh, I would take
bow Nicks over Aaron, I think he's much more athletic
at this point, and he's also more malleable, more coachable.
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At this point, He's totally committed in the offseason, spent
the off season a lot of it with Drew Brees.
So even in this tier three that Aaron zad I
would take Trevor to start today, I would take Bonnicks
to start. I would take Drake May to start. Bryce
young Is I'm just I need more, I need another
half season. But I would say even though here he's
top of Tier three with with Kyler Murray, if I
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was going to pin down all those gms and say
two years commit to the quarterbacks, I think he'd be
at the bottom of tier three. So I think when
Pittsburgh fans are seeing Aaron as a.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
Savior, be very careful.
Speaker 1 (38:40):
Could I say this, Russell Wilson is the top quarterback
in Tier four. Is Aaron today closer to Russell Wilson
than he is Bonnicks? I think he is in terms
of doesn't have his fastball athletically, and I don't think
he wants to sit and take big shots. So that's
(39:02):
an underrated part of being quarterback. And by the way,
since twenty twenty two. This is with Matt Lafleur and
the Jets, and you know, so this is two different teams.
Aaron Rodgers has a worse completion percentage than Daniel Jones,
and fewer touchdown passes than Derek Carr, and a lower
(39:23):
passer rating than Russell Wilson. So you may cringe when
I say he's closer to Russell than Bo, but that's
what the numbers say. And one of those years is
with Matt Lafleur in Green Bay's offensive line. So this
is not a knock on Aaron. I think the athletic
got it right. I think Aaron and Russell are kind
of in that sixteen seventeen eighteen spot. So whereas nobody
(39:44):
in New York sees Russell as the savior, I think
there are people in Pittsburgh that see Aaron is the savior.
And it's like no, no, no, that's not Happiness is directly
correlate or connected to expectations. If you look at Aaron
and think, here's a realistic err in yere, Let's get
(40:04):
fifteen starts, twenty four touchdowns, nine picks, and you go
nine and eight. They may not do that. That feels
you're not gonna mean rushing touchdowns. He's going to complete
sixty three sixty four lead the NFL, and throwaways that's eight, nine,
(40:26):
nine and eight feels like realistic
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