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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 3 (00:26):
We're back our number two here on the Herd. It's
me Jason McIntyre in for Colin Cowherd, joined by Rachel Nichols.
We have Albert Rear coming up. Alberbreer just a mountain
of information. The guy's amazing and listen. I know it's
football season for college in NFL, but you know I
(00:47):
love me some NBA and Rachel loves the NBA. Two
We have a fun, spicy NBA topic for later in
the hours, just a few minutes. NFL fans, don't worry
and give it. How people seem to feel about this guy,
I think they're gonna like our take on.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
Yeah, a little conversation going on with that.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Yes, yes, yes, it'll be fun. But that's later in
the hour. That Greg Jennings, my guy. Greg Jennings, bodybuilder
slash former NFL wide receiver. He's going to be in
the final hour. Greg Jennings is like Arnold. Honestly, he
is so jacked right now. The guy's a machine.
Speaker 5 (01:22):
All right.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
So earlier this week we did my Super Bowl tiers
and the forty nine ers in the top tier really
ticked everyone off.
Speaker 5 (01:30):
Understandable chiefs Roy Tier three. So I was like, why.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Don't we do it for college football? Sure, staff is like, yeah,
on board, got it. Here we go College Football National
Championship Tiers. Let's start with the group we're calling the
Head of the Class. By the way, Head of the Class.
Shout out to my brother. We would watch that show
in the nineties all the time.
Speaker 6 (01:51):
It was that.
Speaker 5 (01:51):
I think, yes, Robin, give it. Thank you, Rachel.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
All right, Head of the Class. Top college football contenders.
Should be no surprise that Clemson is up there. If
you listen to Bruce Fellman when he was on this week,
they're stacked. They have one of the best defensive lines
in the country. They have sixteen starters back.
Speaker 5 (02:06):
Clemson's in there.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Ohio State defending champs, have the best player in the country,
Jeremiah Smith. Caleb Downs, an elite defender Penn State Ratuons,
drew Aller and eventually James Franklin's.
Speaker 5 (02:17):
Gonna win a big game? Am I right? Is that
gonna happen?
Speaker 6 (02:20):
Now?
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Alabama surprised some people. Someone in the morning meeting, was
I Alabama?
Speaker 5 (02:24):
Jay? You sure, folks? Alabama?
Speaker 3 (02:27):
From the notes, five star quarterback Ty Simpson has been
waiting on the bench for a few years to take
over for Jalen Milroe. Does that not sound like Arts
Manning or what? This is a really good team and
I'm a buyer in Kaylen de boor I didn't know
that Belichick. Rachel had that earlier. Belichick was going to
Washington before he got to UNC. Guess who was at Washington.
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Kayland wore smart as hell. I like Alabama to make
the playoff and contend for the Natty. All right, let's
go to the next group called the Honor Roll, something
I was on I think in seventh grade and not
more after that, the Otto role. Obviously, Georgia Bulldogs are
going to be there. However, they are replacing fifteen starters,
so I do think there's a pullback. I know they
don't replace, they reload. Don't worry with five stars, They're
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in the mix. I don't see them winning it, but
they'll be in the mix. Notre Dame I like a
lot is a by on Marcus Freeman. I think he's
an elite coach and I think the NFL comes calling
very very soon.
Speaker 5 (03:23):
I love their ground game.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
Quarterback is a question, but my guy, I have a
couple of Notre Dame insiders who are very plugged in.
They like the quarterback a lot. Oregon Ducks is a
bit of a mystery. This is again as a buy
on a coach, Dan Lanning, He's gonna have them competitive.
Speaker 5 (03:39):
I gotta be honest.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
I haven't heard a damn thing about Oregon since Ohio
State smoked them seventy four zero or whatever it is
and that Rose Bull Do you remember that game? That
was unbelievable what Ohio State did to them. But Oregon,
Dan Lanning, will be fine. And then the Texas Long
Orange hook them. Arch Banning and company. I think they
lose this weekend and go on a bit of a
heater against bad teams. So Texas is in the mix
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on the honor roll. And finally we have a waitlisted
I was waitlisted at one university. When I applied, I
got into eight I was weight listed at the other
and the waitlist here is LSU with nuss Meyer at quarterback.
We'll see what they're made of in the opener against Clemson.
The you the team of my youth. Yes, I owned
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the Miami starter jacket. I'm not gonna lie. It was
so fire when I was in seventh grade.
Speaker 5 (04:30):
But I like the U.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
I just don't love Carson Beck a lot, like the
coaching staff, and I think Notre Dame gets them this weekend.
My guys Sellers the quarterback at South Carolina. I think
they're gonna be spicy. He's the guy I would watch
coming out of nowhere to like go number one. Maybe
he carries the game Cocks to the playoff. And finally,
Mike dark Horse that Texas Tech Red Raiders. I was
in Vegas last week. I bet some teams in college football.
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Texas Tech to make the playoff was one of my
long shot bets. I love what they did in the portal.
Speaker 5 (04:58):
There's your college football tiers from your boy. All right,
let's bring in.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
Our guest, Albert Breer, mister Monday Morning Quarterback, as is
always obligatory. I have to ask him about Ohio State
right out of the gate breer. Are you disappointed I
didn't have the buck Eyes winning at all?
Speaker 5 (05:18):
Already?
Speaker 2 (05:20):
All who'd you have?
Speaker 3 (05:21):
So?
Speaker 2 (05:21):
I was looking at my phone.
Speaker 5 (05:22):
You weren't even paying attention, been paying attention?
Speaker 2 (05:26):
That's not me, No, no, no, I had Oh d
you want him in the top two though I was
paying attention for that.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
Thank you? Okay, So I think they could be very good.
But I do think Penn State probably gets him this year.
Clemson's loaded, and Alabama is the team I bet to
win the Natty or you bet Alabama?
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Yeah, all right, we'll see, we'll see.
Speaker 6 (05:44):
Like I like, I think Ohio State is one of
those teams where I think it will be a lot
better November than we are in September. It's I mean,
fourteen guys drafted more than that made NFL rosters to
watch a replace. There's a question, of course at quarterback.
I think the game on Saturday is going to be
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a rock fight. I think both teams have excellent, excellent
defenses that from when I've heard, are way ahead of
the offenses right now. But yeah, I mean, like the
way the thing's set up now, where you know you
can have some bumps early and still survive to make
the playoff.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
I think they'll be in good shape going into December.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
Now, there's a rumor on a message board that you
will be at the game this weekend. And I also
saw you'll probably be in the locker room, maybe doing
the coin toss or something like that, because you're.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
I will be in the locker room, but I will
be in the stadium. I do have access for that.
Speaker 6 (06:40):
I guess that's a big issue this week, right, Like,
I'll be okay, I'll be in the stadium, so yeah, yeah, no.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
It's I'm excited to get out there. Man.
Speaker 6 (06:48):
It'll be my two sons first game there with two,
which is going to be pretty cool.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
Yeah, all right, final college football. Got to ask about
arch Manning. I keep asking every guest this week. Do
we know if he's good? I mean, yeah, I'm enough
with the UTSA highlights, Okay, can we wait to see
him live bullets against a good team with a smart defense.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Yeah, you know, it's.
Speaker 6 (07:08):
Interesting, actually, JMC I asked around about him, you know,
going back to.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
You know, like May, when you started to see him.
Speaker 6 (07:16):
Popping up as the number one overall pick in mock drafts,
and you know, with all due respect to him, I
can't remember that ever happening before where you had a
guy who has two college stars being projected in the
next year's draft to that level. So you know, the
guys who are on the ground, who do the school
calls and have been in Austin, you would all say, like,
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the physical tools are there.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
He's a great kid.
Speaker 6 (07:40):
You know, he's been raised right, so there are a
lot of like great pieces to.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Put together there.
Speaker 6 (07:45):
But I mean, I think the leap that everybody's making
here is they assume that he's got all the stuff
that Peyton and eel I had and so they're making
that leap where they say he's Peyton and Eli plus athleticism,
And I don't know that's really respectful.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
To how difficult.
Speaker 6 (08:02):
It is to see the game, to think the game
the way that Peyton and Eli did. And that doesn't
mean that Arch won't get there, But there's a process
in getting there.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
You know.
Speaker 6 (08:11):
Part of it is playing against better competition, which will
happen on Saturday for him. Part of it is, you know,
when teams get six, seven, eight games of game tape
on you, you know, figuring out what you do well,
what you don't do well, and now they're able to
game plan more specifically, can you CounterPunch? You know, there's
still a lot that we have left to find out
about Arch Manning. And I think he'd agree with this,
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like I, as far as I've never talked to him before,
but far as what I know about the kid, I
think you'd agree that there's still a lot left unknown
about what he's going to.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Be as a quarterback.
Speaker 6 (08:45):
And unfortunately, you know the way all this stuff works today,
we're never going to give a kid like that the opportunity.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
To to just let that happen naturally, but you kind
of wish that it could.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
Yeah, no shot of that. All right, let's shift our
focus to the NFL. Let's I don't love talking about
the Cowboys. They sink right, They're the longest drought in
a conference championship game in the NFC by a mile.
And then you Michael Parson showing up at the airport.
I'm gonna get a second opinion on my back. His
brother is tweeting out this is going twelve rounds. I mean,
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at what point does this turn from circus to kind
of like some Shakespearean act where it's really just sad
and depressive.
Speaker 6 (09:25):
Yeah, I mean, I would say that, like a lot
of this is kind of you know, what Jerry's invited
over the last few years, the way He's handled a
lot of these contract negotiations.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
The pacing of.
Speaker 6 (09:35):
It actually isn't much different than the negotiation with Zach
Martin two years ago, with the negotiation with Ceedee Lamb
and Dak Prescott last year, where you know, offers were
made very early in the off season and then there
was you know, basically radio silence. The team goes to
California for camp, there's not much movement, and then at
the very end there's a push to get a deal done.
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Now we'll see what happens and what result from that
final push to get the deal done.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
You know.
Speaker 6 (10:03):
But I'd say there are you know, a couple of
key differences between this one and those. You know, one
certainly is you know, the the public rankor that this
sort of taking place over the course the last three
or four months where a lot of this stuff has
gotten out there.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
And become kind of nasty in the public forum.
Speaker 6 (10:21):
Whether it's between you know, Jerry and the agent David Mulligetta,
whether it's between Micah and the team itself. Obviously, there's
this stuff at the stadium that last preseason game with
the nachos and the lying on the training table, So
this one's gotten more public publicly nasty than than than
those before it. The other difference is just kind of
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how these guys are seen in the locker room, you know.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
And I would.
Speaker 6 (10:47):
Say, you know, Dak and CD and Zach Martin were
all beloved figures in the locker room, and I don't
know that it's quite that way with Micah. Now it
doesn't have to be. He's a great player, you know.
He's a motivated player, you know, and I think that
if you pay him, he's going to be worth every penny.
But that does add a different twist to the tenor negotiations,
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and so.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
I can see them getting a deal done in the
next week.
Speaker 6 (11:12):
I could also see this, you know, turning into something
that drags into the season where you know, all of
a sudden, Michaeh. Parson's back is acting up or his
ankle is acting up, and.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
You just kind of have this like.
Speaker 6 (11:26):
Weird sideways sort of season from one of your very
best players, which of course can put the rest of
the team in a tough spot too.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
Yeah, at what point, I mean, Micah probably has a
little more AMMO to empty the clip. I mean, he
could simply go on his own podcast and go off, yeah,
and shift the attention from Jerry. He could control the narrative.
Jerry can meet the media as much as he wants.
I mean, I know he's a billionaire and he's the owner.
I think Micah has the leverage here. Let me get
on the screen, Albert. We looked at the twenty twenty
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one draft, all the best players in the first round
and Jamar Chase signed Davante Smith extension. All these guys
got their deals early held. The Davanta Smith deal has
done seventeen months ago. Okay, there's one guy on the
list who doesn't have a deal. Doesn't this even further ammo,
Like Jerry doesn't know what the hell he's doing.
Speaker 6 (12:18):
But again, like this is sort of the way that
they've handled it, like, and I think that's part of it,
is he does know what he's doing, you know what
I mean. Like, and I think there's a piece of it,
Like for a lot of these owners, it's keeping the
money in your own pocket for as long as you
can and that could be an element here. It's control
over workforce, which is something Jerry's talked about in the
public forum and in the private forum too, of the
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of the of the ownership meetings.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Wait wait, hold on one of the leaders.
Speaker 6 (12:45):
In the pack when it comes to that stuff, and
making sure that everybody knows who's in charge, you know.
And then I think there's also the entertainment aspect to it,
you know. And I I a couple of years ago,
I would have told you were crazy for saying these things.
And I thought people were kind of off base when
they did say it. But the more it's happened this way,
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and the less aggressive that they've gotten about doing deals
in the months of June and July, the more I thought, like,
maybe there is you know, a side benefit that he
sees in this whole thing, that they're going to be
in the A block and a lot of you know
a lot of shows like this one, you know, like
that they're going to be the most important thing over
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the summer. I mean, will you really be talking about
the Cowboys right now if it weren't for this, No,
j mac No, I mean it's sort of I don't know.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
I mean that maybe because the coaching changed. But they didn't.
Speaker 6 (13:37):
I mean, all due respect Brian Schottenheimer, this wasn't like
a headline grabbing higher.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
You know, Dak's coming back for another year.
Speaker 6 (13:44):
I just I don't know if there's anything that will
capture the imagination of the public that's going on there
right now. And so if you want to be a
real conspiracy theory theorist about this, you could look at
it and say, Jerry's going to get a deal done
his way early or you're going to have.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
To wait until late.
Speaker 6 (14:02):
And the headlines may be part of the benefit for
for Jerry when it comes to all that.
Speaker 5 (14:07):
Okay, So Albert, you're a smart guy.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
You've been in radio, TV writing, you cover the league forever.
Do you want to win headlines and be in the
A bloc in July and August? Or do you want
to be in playoff games that matter in January and
get into the game in February?
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Like, well, you know what my answer is exactly, And.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
That's the only reason I'm pushing back now. You said
an interesting phrase. I almost didn't like it where you
said control over players. So are any are any other
owners speaking in that tone like that? Vibe, Hey, we
got to let them know who's in charge. Or is
that just a Jerry I think that.
Speaker 6 (14:44):
I mean most of them think that way. I get
if you want to the truth of it, most of
them think that way. I mean, that's why there are
so many rules in the CBA that pertain to this
sort of stuff, you know, like whether it's franchise tags,
is strengthening the rules over holding out. I mean, guys
have to pay fifty thousand a day for days they
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miss in training camp, you know, And that's why players
have had to get more creative and doing things like
holding So like if you don't think your owner has
has has that in the back of his head and
how you can maintain control over his workforce, like you
are either you know, rooting for one of the teams,
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the rare guy like that, or you have your head
in the clouds about the way these guys operate.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Just reality of it, you know what I mean.
Speaker 6 (15:33):
Like so, I think Jerry's a little bit more forceful
about it, and Jerry's probably one of the more vocal
guys inside the meeting room, but it exists everywhere, and
it's all over the CBA. You know, there's so many
different things in the CBA that the point to it,
even the length of it, you know what I mean,
Like doing a ten year deal where you have the
opt outs, Like what is that? That's control over workforce?
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So I mean, I know that's sort of a corporate
term for it, but it's exactly what it is.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
Yeah, I mean, Jerry can go to the table and
say we have you for the next three years.
Speaker 5 (16:02):
You can't do anything, come play.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
And honestly, I'm at the point whereer, you know, I'm
not rich or wealthy. If I were a rich guy
and I sided with Michael Parson, I'd say, Micah, I
got you. I'll float some of your lifestyle. I don't
want you going a plane. Get your contract. You deserve it,
You've earned it, just like everybody else in your draft class.
Go screw listening to him. I mean again, maybe that's
a little aggressive.
Speaker 6 (16:24):
On my part, but I mean, but that's the thing is, like,
so what Jerry's told him is like, we have you
for the next three years. Well why do they have
him for the next three years? Because for the next
three years because they have the last year of his contract.
Franchise Tag one, Franchise Tag two. And so those are
mechanisms of control, you know, And I mean there are
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teams that are more aggressive, so they don't have to
use those mechanisms of control because they don't want it
to come to that point with their players. You know,
in a lot of cases, you have a good relationship
with your player and you just don't want it to
come to that. You may believe that you should control
over your workforce, but you know, the Eagles are a
great example of it, Like where you mentioned DeVante Smith,
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like they never just things, never like came even close
to coming to a head with him because you did
him so early.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
You know, Aj Brown, They revised his contract, they.
Speaker 6 (17:16):
Gave him, you know, a big bump when when he
had outplayed the contracts he initially signed. So there are
definitely ways to avoid it. There are definitely teams that
don't want to exert it. Jerry's just never been afraid
to exert these sorts of mechanisms.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
And again, like that whole thing like I have.
Speaker 6 (17:37):
You for the next three years, even though you're only
under contract for the next year, is of course, you know,
a pretty clear way of explaining to your player, like
even after your contract expires, I still have you because
of the rules that we put in.
Speaker 5 (17:55):
I don't like that.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
I mean, maybe the w NBA player should talukp to
the NFL guys and be like, hey, hey, oh you guys,
this is the playbook, is what we're gonna do. But
the other thing looking at that, Ray Shawn Slater got
a new contract July twenty seventh, two weeks later torn
patella out for the year. He doesn't have to worry
about anything. Albert got he got his money. Hey, don't
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rush back. We're good, you got your contract. We're happy
like I'm.
Speaker 6 (18:20):
I mean, Cale McGarry's another one that's not his high profile,
but he got hurt in Atlanta, I think, a few
days after his contract. There are tons of examples of it,
for sure, and that's that's part of the leverage that
owners have, is fear that something like this is going
to happen. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (18:34):
So if I'm Micah, hey man, I just saw what
happened to McGary. What happens later, I'm sorry. I don't
want to go out there. My back is hurt. I mean, honestly,
you have to.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
If you're Dak Prescott and you probably know him as
well as anybody who covers teams. At some point he
has to think, hey, man, I got paid.
Speaker 5 (18:49):
I don't care. We're not winning the super Bowl. We're
not sniffing it.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
I mean, I think the Eagles have a better chance
to repeat than Dallas does even getting.
Speaker 5 (18:55):
To the playoffs. And I think Dak is probably fine
with that. Hey I'm wealthy, I've.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
Got generation wealth, I got my girl, I got my kid.
Speaker 5 (19:02):
I'm fine.
Speaker 6 (19:03):
I don't care.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
At some point, you just have to not care, because
if the owner doesn't seem to care, why.
Speaker 5 (19:07):
Should the quarterback. I'm just gonna go play and make money.
And that's it.
Speaker 6 (19:11):
Yeah, I mean, I see what you're saying. I mean,
but there's also like you only have so many years
to to to to maximize your time in the field,
you know, how you're going to be remembered and all
of that different stuff.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
And I think, you know, Dak's not.
Speaker 6 (19:25):
Really wired that way where it's where it's like, okay, like, well,
like my owner is as all and as I am,
so I'm not going to put as much into it.
Like I just I have a hard time envisioning ever
seeing anything that anything like that happening with that particular
guy like Dak Prescott's not that way, but I would
agree that, like it doesn't always send the best message
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to your locker room when you're doing these sorts of things,
you know. I mean, I think in a lot of ways,
these contract negotiations send messages to the locker room. And
I think, you know, for example, like Terry McLaurin in Washington,
I think one of the tricky things about that one is,
and and was over the course of the last few months,
was like, I mean, if you're if you're in a
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negotiation with somebody who isn't all that well liked or
well respected in the locker room, and there's a dispute, well,
I think guys kind of, you know, just look the
other way on it.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
But if it's a guy like a McLaurin, like.
Speaker 6 (20:20):
They're gonna be guys in the locker room, they're gonna
look at it and say, like, you messed with that guy,
And now that they've paid him, they can point and say,
you know what, we took care of him.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Like it was. It got a little messy, but in
the end we were we were able to find a.
Speaker 6 (20:33):
Solution and he's happy and we're happy, and that's the
kind of guy that we pay. So, you know, I think,
more often than more often than people realize, players keep
score by contract, players keep score by money, and so
you know, they're paying attention to the way that you
handle these sorts of negotiations because they know if one
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of the biggest stars in the team can be treated
a certain way, well, and they're certainly not going to
be exempt from it.
Speaker 5 (21:01):
All right, let's move off the Cowboys. I know management
will love that. I do have to ask.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
I'm taking some heat in Chicago, Albert Okay, yeah, they're
upset with me, Kyle Long. Is they taking jabs at
me like this Caleb Williams Ben Johnson stuff. Again, I'm
listening to the quotes and I'm looking at the actions
of Ben Johnson, and I'm just telling you, from my
point of view, something's going on there. It doesn't feel
like it's off to a good start. They've had like
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four or five months together, and the messaging from Ben. Now,
maybe this is his personality. I don't know what's upbringing.
I don't know his background. It just doesn't seem positive.
And then they signed pagent to a random out of nowhere.
This guy came out of nowhere and they just signed
him to a deal. I'm like, what is happening? So
to maybe talk talk Bears fans off the ledge or
side with me either one.
Speaker 6 (21:49):
I think he's being I think I think Ben's being
intentionally tough on on on Caleb Williams, Like, I think
that's that that that's really the long and short of it.
And this has been being himself and this is the
way he coaches, and you know, as far as I
can tell, like Caleb has been on board with it.
And it produced some really ugly days early in training camp,
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like it did not look good. But if you talked
to Ben about it, what he would tell you is
we were going through a process where we wanted to
feed him through a fire hose.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
And give him as much as we.
Speaker 6 (22:23):
Possibly could, overload him with information, overload him with scheme,
and then come back and narrow down what he's doing
and figure out what he does well and what he
doesn't do well, so all of this stuff that he
doesn't do well out and build an offense around his strengths.
And so I think, like you juxtapose the early days
(22:43):
in camp against the second preseason game, and you see
a guy who was playing much faster. You see a
guy who's playing much more confidently because they had figured
out exactly what he does best. They've they've honed in
on that, and then they really sort of find too
some of the stuff as far as how fast he's playing.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
How quick the ball is getting out, all of that.
Speaker 6 (23:05):
And I know it didn't look quite the same against
Kansas City. He wasn't quite as sharp against Kansas City
in the last preseason game. But I think this has
gone according to plan, and you know, we'll have to
see what it looks like when the regular season starts.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
But I think people who've been around Ben would remind you.
Speaker 6 (23:22):
Like they had days like this with Jared Goff in
training camp in Detroit, and nobody made us big a
deal out of it because golf was already a proven commodity.
We already had an idea of what golf is. You know,
we'll see if it works with the younger guy.
Speaker 5 (23:35):
Huh. That's positive and upbeat, and I like it.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
I appreciate it. I do have to ask Caleb kind
of had the run of the show last year. He
could do whatever he wanted. He was watching film by himself, reportedly, Well,
guess what the year prior at USC, he was also
just doing his own thing, a lot of backyard football, right,
So two years of just hey, freelance, make a play,
go go get us some points.
Speaker 5 (23:57):
How tough is it going to be to go from that?
To follow my lead?
Speaker 3 (24:02):
Drop read react quickly like it's probably at least a
year with Ben before we see anything close to what
he wants.
Speaker 6 (24:09):
Right.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Well, it's a mentality change, you know.
Speaker 6 (24:12):
I mean, you're you're trying to coach a playing style
out of somebody, and that's not an easy thing to do,
you know.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
I think beyond just that, like in.
Speaker 6 (24:20):
College, like he was asked in a lot of cases
to be the best player on the field, and I
think you saw that reflected in the way that he played.
It was a lot of big play hunting, a lot
of passing up the the the easy stuff. And what
they're trying to teach him to do is play the
(24:42):
game and and and play quarterback and and in a
more between the lines sort of ways instead of constantly
coloring outside the lines. You can run and scramble to
create throws. In the NFL, you can't do it all
the time. And I think I'm a Homes because you
want a story on Pat and Pat and I talked
about this, you know, earlier in the month. Is like,
(25:07):
if you look at his numbers, Mahomes' numbers, he averaged
over ten carries a game when he was at Texas Tech.
That number for his NFL career is under four per game.
And that's a very intentional thing that for Mahomes is
going from having to be the best player on the
field on almost every play too.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
I've got good teammates around me.
Speaker 6 (25:28):
I can trust them, I can get the ball in
their hands, and then when I need to be superman,
I can always put the cape on. That's what they're
trying to get Caleb to do in Chicago is there
are going to be certain plays where we just want
to have your hands at ten and two on the
wheel and just run the offense. And we know that,
we know that you're capable of the bigger stuff when
we need it, but it can't be all the time.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
And I think there.
Speaker 6 (25:49):
Were points last year we saw what happens when he's
trying to be that guy all the time, and they're
trying to dial that back and say, just play quarterback
four times out of five, and then that fifth time
you can go and show everybody exactly what you're capable.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
Your analogy for Caleb got me thinking of the great
movie Old School, where Will Ferrell, you know, used to
be a party animal. Then he's really resigned to the
birds and his wife's like, we don't want to see
old Frank the tank and then he just comes out.
Speaker 5 (26:16):
And he's beer bong and or funneling whatever the kids
call it. Anyways. Albert Breer Monday Morning Quarterback.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
Great stuff as always, Hey, good luck to your buck
guyes this weekend.
Speaker 5 (26:25):
I loaded up. I could use a new car, so
let's go buck guys.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
You money on them?
Speaker 5 (26:31):
Yeah, a couple of bucks like it.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
I like it.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
It's been a while.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
Yeah, yeah, we'll do all right, Albert, thank you? All right,
great stuff from Albert Brier. All right. Coming up next,
Rachel tells us who fans think is the most annoying
player in the NFL. I'm gonna guess it's a cowboy.
But that's just a guess. That's next.
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Rich, phenomenal stuff from that. Albert Brier. The guy's good,
he really is. And when he goes on his camp tours,
he comes to my town to cover a team and
always texts me he is, Oh, let's go to buy He's.
Speaker 5 (28:11):
A really nice guy.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
Let's go to Rachel Nichols with the news. No, no, no.
Speaker 5 (28:17):
Turn on the news.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
This is the herd line news.
Speaker 4 (28:21):
Jason fans have voted Aaron Rodgers the most annoying football
player in the NFL. Yes, that's from a poll conducted
by the Action Network. Rogers received a whopping twenty four
percent of the total vote. They also broke it down
by fan base, and the numbers there are even more stark.
Twenty one of the NFL's thirty two fan bases rate
(28:43):
Rogers as the most annoying, including the fan base in
Green Bay, the fan base in Pittsburgh, where he currently plays,
and the fan base of the New York Jets, of
which you are a card carrying member. So, for you,
is Aaron Rodgers the most annoying player in the NFL?
Speaker 2 (28:59):
You know?
Speaker 4 (29:01):
Was it?
Speaker 5 (29:01):
Let me hear the rest? Were there any runner ups
or anything?
Speaker 2 (29:04):
So we have we have here.
Speaker 4 (29:05):
You can see on the screen healthy Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (29:10):
By the way, with them, I feel like the reasons
are different.
Speaker 5 (29:12):
This is my opinion. You tell me yours.
Speaker 4 (29:14):
I think the reasons with Travis particularly and Patrick kind
of by proxy, is that there's a lot of football
fans who are obviously sick of the Taylor Stift angle.
Speaker 5 (29:22):
Or the whatever angle.
Speaker 4 (29:24):
Aaron, in my opinion, it seems to be more of
how he has handled pims wealth. Travis, by the way,
his jersey sales since he got engaged up two hundred percent. Wow,
So not every fan is annoyed with him. Yeah, apparently
every fan is annoyed.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
And let's be real with some of these polls, I
mean action that we're probably talked to. I'm five thousand
people and they didn't talk to five million.
Speaker 5 (29:46):
But I don't.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
Totally disagree with Aaron Rodgers being the most annoying. I
can't even I'm scrambling to think of a second. I mean,
Odell Beckham isn't even in the league. Was he was
he in the league last year? I mean, how is
he on the list? But yeah, Aaron Rodgers, I wonder
I would love to hear his thoughts on that. Oh,
you think that Pittsburgh media will ask him.
Speaker 4 (30:08):
I wonder if Pat mcfee'l ask him.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
Oh, that's right, Hey, you were voted a most annoying
player in the league. Your thoughts, Aaron, Oh, it's an honor.
I'm going to go back into a dark When you
go to a darkness retreat, you kind of alienate. Like
seventy five people had not heard of a darkness I
had not before he said he was doing.
Speaker 5 (30:24):
I was like, what the hell is a darkness retreat?
Speaker 3 (30:26):
Yeah, I mean maybe he'll turn up at Burning Man this.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
Have you been to Burning Man?
Speaker 4 (30:30):
By the way, I am very proud to say not
only have I never been to Burning Man, I haven't
looked at anything from Burning Man. I just feel like
dirt my hands just hearing you talk about Burning Man.
Speaker 3 (30:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (30:43):
I told my buddies I would some guys win. A
couple of years ago.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
I was like, I'll I'll helicopter in for a night,
but there's no way I'm staying in the desert helicopter.
I could see Aaron Rodgers just going to Burning Man
and living it up, because he's that kind of guy.
Speaker 4 (30:55):
You know that peanuts character fig Pen. Yes, that's what
I think of when I think Burnings. Yes, let's talk
a little Molik Neighbors. He had an incredible rookie year,
but that toe injury limited his off season work. He
has a back issue that kept him sidelined sideline for
a month training camp. The Neighbors said that despite being
banged up, quote, when it's game time and those lights
are on, my body is going to turn it on.
Speaker 5 (31:18):
So do you think j Max that.
Speaker 4 (31:20):
His numbers are gonna I mean his numbers were amazing.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (31:24):
Look last season he missed two games, right, and his quarterback,
Daniel Jones was released in the middle of the season.
And yet look at this most receptions he ranked second
ever in NFL history.
Speaker 5 (31:37):
Do you feel like he can top it this year? Oh?
Speaker 6 (31:40):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (31:41):
Top that?
Speaker 3 (31:41):
Well, he's got a better quarterback. He probably has a
better backup.
Speaker 5 (31:44):
I mean he was.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
Catching passes from that guy de Vito.
Speaker 5 (31:46):
Yes, right, who's now that guy de Vito? De Vito's
on the Patriots.
Speaker 4 (31:49):
Yeah, he got picked up by the Patriots.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
So I rode Neighbors to a fantasy championship last year
in my big money league. It was amazing and I
didn't even know he's in like jeopardy of is he
gonna miss time?
Speaker 2 (32:00):
This is not good.
Speaker 5 (32:01):
Oh oh, he's okay.
Speaker 4 (32:02):
He said it's a minor back injury.
Speaker 5 (32:04):
That was his quote. Is there such a thing?
Speaker 2 (32:06):
You know what?
Speaker 4 (32:06):
I like to say, there is no such thing as
a minor back injury. But you know, he's he has
been a gamer even when he's been hurt.
Speaker 5 (32:14):
He was hurt a lot.
Speaker 4 (32:15):
Not just he missed two games, but he was hurt
and sort of practices and missed among of practices last year,
and he showed up at game talk.
Speaker 5 (32:22):
That's not great.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
I mean, who's your second skill position player, Tyrone Tracy
the running back. I mean, that's not good. And they
got a brutal schedule early. If Neighbors has to miss
any time, this team is cooked. I mean we already
think they are. Oh boy, that's not good. Get healthy,
Malik out, go Moss.
Speaker 4 (32:40):
Some guys, you look at this on episode that already
the full screen. All right, let's look at the Bills
quarterback situation is in a little bit better shape, right,
Josh Allen winning the MVP last year, so clearly he's
doing a ton of things right. But he recently said
he knows this style of play has to quote evolved.
In specific, he said he needs to be taking fewer hits.
(33:01):
He said, quote just being smarter, sliding, getting at a bound,
throwing ball away a little bit quicker, and not taking
those extra one or two hits a game that start
adding up. So j Mack his sack totals have actually
been going down each of the last three seasons, and
he said it's been making feel better in the off season.
He's there in the MVP, though, I mean, do you
think all of this is this really where he needs
(33:22):
to quote evolve. Do you think it's going to make
a difference if he's taking less hits.
Speaker 5 (33:25):
It's interesting.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
So a buddy of mine, the hardcore gambler, was making
money by he would bet under totals for rushing for
Josh Allen early in the season because Buffalo made it
pretty clear, we don't need you running in September October. Yeah,
big games November, December, January, save it for then, so
he would run more late in the season.
Speaker 5 (33:46):
He's their best option.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
I just wonder if he's saying, you know what, I'm
just going to save my running until the playoffs. Now,
at this point, we got nothing to prove. We're going
to be a one, two or three seed. Let's just
sit because in January, when he tucks and runs, like
just like Ellen Hurts and Lamar Jackson, it's an unstoppable
play the defense, Like, if you're in man and you
got your back turn to the quarterback, you're in trouble. Yeah,
And if you're in zone, he's going to pick you apart.
(34:08):
So I mean, I like this attitude.
Speaker 5 (34:12):
Alan just has to He's just got to beat the
Chiefs in the playoffs. That's it. That's the last thing
him and Lamar have left to do. That's what it
feels like. I mean, this is all great.
Speaker 4 (34:19):
It's always nice to try to fine tune and now
here's your game, you know, in all the different ways.
But his running is so much of his strength, right,
so there's going to be hitsy too. I mean that's
just how it works wellcause Glamar's at the top of
the list of guys taking those kinds of hits. So
that's how it is.
Speaker 5 (34:33):
It's just you gotta bear down in the in the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
I don't know if they track slides, but I feel
like Jalen Hurts slides way more yes than Josh Allen,
who's like six' five and can absorb hits from. Linebacker
so uh, yeah good luck To Josh allen this.
Speaker 5 (34:46):
Year rachel with the.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
News well that's the, news and thanks for stopping by
The herd Line.
Speaker 5 (34:52):
News all, right listen this next.
Speaker 3 (34:54):
Topic so there's AN nba team that really is catering
to their, superstar but they have a second superstar and
they're not really showing him the.
Speaker 5 (35:04):
Love this is becoming an. Issue that's next.
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Speaker 3 (35:34):
Five All, right this is a fun. Topic, obviously it's
THE nfl. Season it's football, season and the NBA's on
the shelf till Like october when they start the season.
Speaker 5 (35:47):
Last week Of. October BUT i saw this yesterday on Ig.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
Luka doncic is playing In, EuroBasket which is huge this.
Speaker 5 (35:57):
Summer It's joki is playing all the stars.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
Internationally this is the place Where yannis slapped one of
his teammates In greece upside the, head And Luka doncic
was photographed with two people you may, recognize and that
would Be Genie buss And Rob. Polenka you see that
they traveled To europe For EuroBasket to See, luca their.
(36:23):
Guy you guys obviously are On. Instagram i'm sure every
single person listening to the show. Is and you've Seen
lebron not get invited to That luca, dinner not get any,
love no contract. Extension AND i haven't seen any photos
With genie And. Lebron he's playing basketball with his kids
in the, Driveway he's playing a lot of golf with
(36:46):
his Guys Maverick carter and. Company AND i have to,
wonder you guys Know i'm A lebron guy through and.
Speaker 5 (36:53):
THROUGH i will Say i've been saying it for.
Speaker 3 (36:55):
Years lebron when he won the championship with The, lakers
became the goat Past Michael.
Speaker 5 (36:59):
Jordan i'm Sure rachel and others. Disagree it's.
Speaker 3 (37:01):
Fine it's a subjective. DISCUSSION i Think lebron's the. GOAT
i also think right now he has to be stewing
beyond belief of what's going down with The. LAKERS i
want to remind you, guys The lakers were the third
seed in The west last, year and that's trading ad. Midseason,
reportedly they did not run it By lebron. Beforehand they
(37:24):
bring On. Luca he's, hurt missus. Time they're still. Third
lebron's second Team ALL nba and he can't get an,
extension he can't get any, love and they're sucking up
To Luka. Doncic, Now, rachel you've been around THE nba
for a long. Time you Know lebron in his, camp
and we. Agree this is not the worst thing in the.
(37:45):
World this is kind of standard operating. Procedure if you're A,
gm a big wheeler on a, team you go To,
EuroBasket see your Star. Jokich, obviously The nuggets are going
to be well.
Speaker 5 (37:54):
Represented BUT i just have.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
To wonder When lebron is sitting there on the seventeenth
and has going card school.
Speaker 5 (38:02):
There With luca In europe AND i can't.
Speaker 3 (38:04):
Get a, HANGOUT i can't get.
Speaker 5 (38:05):
Anything CAN i get a call AND.
Speaker 3 (38:08):
I just want To i'm not ready to like feel
bad For, lebron But i'm just.
Speaker 5 (38:12):
Curious what's going?
Speaker 3 (38:13):
Through is?
Speaker 6 (38:14):
It?
Speaker 3 (38:14):
Well what do you?
Speaker 4 (38:15):
WANT geni best to invite him over for like a
knitting places something?
Speaker 5 (38:18):
Up what happened? Here what is your?
Speaker 3 (38:20):
PREFERENCE i Want lebron to get the love you want
him to get IT i Want let's.
Speaker 5 (38:25):
Let's break this. Down, okay you're a.
Speaker 4 (38:26):
Basket as you, noted all The nuggets brass went to
go See jokic at your, basket, right this is happening
all over THE. Nba Chauncey billups showed up In poland
to Watch Denny Obvidot LIKE i, mean you do not
have to be A lucadancic level player for your team
(38:46):
to come. Over it's just become what you do if
you're AN nba.
Speaker 5 (38:49):
Team so that this photo to me is absolutely nothing.
Nothing and by the.
Speaker 4 (38:54):
Way this whole idea That lebron is jealous Of, luca
it's just not. True, Okay lebron really Likes luka Dancc
luca has always Shown lebron great. Deference luca has been
very clear he modeled his entire game After Lebron. James
the two of them get along just. Fine and in,
fact When lebron's Agent Rich paul put out that statement
(39:16):
in the middle of summer that got everybody all crazy
where he, said, Oh lebron has to take care of
his future even though The lakers are taking care of
their future and all that. Stuff Rich paul actually Called
Luka doncas's people before he even called The lakers to, say,
hey this has nothing to do with. You so that's
the degree to which The lebron camp is. Okay with
The luca, camp everything's. Fine There where the issue comes,
(39:39):
in and you mentioned it is the contract.
Speaker 5 (39:41):
Extension that's what all of this is. About that's what the.
Speaker 4 (39:45):
Coming welcome home had on social, media and this In
cleveland And i'm at the practice court at The clippers
And i'm here in my old house And akron and
all of. That that is a reaction to the fact
that The lakers have decided they do not want to
extend his contract past this. Season, understandable and their reasoning
(40:06):
is we have a player now who is a generational,
superstar not yet A lebron level, superstar by the, way
but nobody is, yet, Right there's no one else in
THE nba who is A lebron level Yet.
Speaker 5 (40:17):
Luca is one of the next best.
Speaker 4 (40:18):
Teaker gets, there, Right so they Have Luka doncic who
is fifteen years younger Than, lebron and they have to
worry about his next three or four. Years so first
worry about that was will he re sign with?
Speaker 5 (40:33):
Us because he could.
Speaker 6 (40:34):
Have left this.
Speaker 4 (40:34):
Summer so that dinner that you're talking about That lebron
quote wasn't invited. To he wasn't invited because that was
a recruiting dinner For Luka. Doncic BUT i had that
Was Rob blanka brought a binder to that interview to
DISCUSS i.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
Mean to that.
Speaker 5 (40:48):
Dinner he brought a binder to.
Speaker 4 (40:50):
Dinner and the whole point was here's what we plan to,
Do here's how we want to use, you all of
that kind of.
Speaker 5 (40:55):
Stuff that's what that dinner.
Speaker 3 (40:56):
Was now do you think at that Dinner luca at
any point, said, YEAH i don't see a lot Of lebron.
Here what's the game plan for the greatest player IN nba.
Speaker 5 (41:02):
HISTORY i do not think he did.
Speaker 4 (41:04):
THAT i think That Lebron james doesn't understand why for
the first time in his, career he has to play
out the final year of his. Contract he doesn't understand
why he's An ALL nba level player and he's being left.
Hanging and by the, way he has a real point.
Speaker 5 (41:19):
There but The.
Speaker 4 (41:20):
Lakers have a point that they need to keep their
cap sheet clear past next year to find a, younger
big time major star to pair With luca for the foreseeable,
future as opposed to giving fifty million dollars to a
then forty.
Speaker 5 (41:34):
Two years Old, no not that. All it all makes
sense on both. Sides no one's wrong.
Speaker 3 (41:38):
Here it's just it's like it's, complicated if that makes,
sense because remember The lakers Needed lebron what they did
With kobe at the, end they were a. Disaster lebron
pulled them out of the, wilderness brought him a, title
and now they're not really showing him the.
Speaker 5 (41:52):
Love no. Knitting no Knitting jason did in write him
to knit final hour the drama In.
Speaker 3 (41:58):
Dallas of, course they continue
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We have a fun, spicy NBA topic for later in
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and give it. How people seem to feel about this guy,
I think they're gonna like our take on.
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Yeah, a little conversation going on with that.
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Yes, yes, yes, it'll be fun. But that's later in
the hour. That Greg Jennings, my guy. Greg Jennings, bodybuilder
slash former NFL wide receiver. He's going to be in
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Speaker 5 (01:22):
All right.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
So earlier this week we did my Super Bowl tiers
and the forty nine ers in the top tier really
ticked everyone off.
Speaker 5 (01:30):
Understandable chiefs Roy Tier three. So I was like, why.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Don't we do it for college football? Sure, staff is like, yeah,
on board, got it. Here we go College Football National
Championship Tiers. Let's start with the group we're calling the
Head of the Class. By the way, Head of the Class.
Shout out to my brother. We would watch that show
in the nineties all the time.
Speaker 6 (01:51):
It was that.
Speaker 5 (01:51):
I think, yes, Robin, give it. Thank you, Rachel.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
All right, Head of the Class. Top college football contenders.
Should be no surprise that Clemson is up there. If
you listen to Bruce Fellman when he was on this week,
they're stacked. They have one of the best defensive lines
in the country. They have sixteen starters back.
Speaker 5 (02:06):
Clemson's in there.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Ohio State defending champs, have the best player in the country,
Jeremiah Smith. Caleb Downs, an elite defender Penn State Ratuons,
drew Aller and eventually James Franklin's.
Speaker 5 (02:17):
Gonna win a big game? Am I right? Is that
gonna happen?
Speaker 6 (02:20):
Now?
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Alabama surprised some people. Someone in the morning meeting, was
I Alabama?
Speaker 5 (02:24):
Jay? You sure, folks? Alabama?
Speaker 3 (02:27):
From the notes, five star quarterback Ty Simpson has been
waiting on the bench for a few years to take
over for Jalen Milroe. Does that not sound like Arts
Manning or what? This is a really good team and
I'm a buyer in Kaylen de boor I didn't know
that Belichick. Rachel had that earlier. Belichick was going to
Washington before he got to UNC. Guess who was at Washington.
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Kayland wore smart as hell. I like Alabama to make
the playoff and contend for the Natty. All right, let's
go to the next group called the Honor Roll, something
I was on I think in seventh grade and not
more after that, the Otto role. Obviously, Georgia Bulldogs are
going to be there. However, they are replacing fifteen starters,
so I do think there's a pullback. I know they
don't replace, they reload. Don't worry with five stars, They're
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in the mix. I don't see them winning it, but
they'll be in the mix. Notre Dame I like a
lot is a by on Marcus Freeman. I think he's
an elite coach and I think the NFL comes calling
very very soon.
Speaker 5 (03:23):
I love their ground game.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
Quarterback is a question, but my guy, I have a
couple of Notre Dame insiders who are very plugged in.
They like the quarterback a lot. Oregon Ducks is a
bit of a mystery. This is again as a buy
on a coach, Dan Lanning, He's gonna have them competitive.
Speaker 5 (03:39):
I gotta be honest.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
I haven't heard a damn thing about Oregon since Ohio
State smoked them seventy four zero or whatever it is
and that Rose Bull Do you remember that game? That
was unbelievable what Ohio State did to them. But Oregon,
Dan Lanning, will be fine. And then the Texas Long
Orange hook them. Arch Banning and company. I think they
lose this weekend and go on a bit of a
heater against bad teams. So Texas is in the mix
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on the honor roll. And finally we have a waitlisted
I was waitlisted at one university. When I applied, I
got into eight I was weight listed at the other
and the waitlist here is LSU with nuss Meyer at quarterback.
We'll see what they're made of in the opener against Clemson.
The you the team of my youth. Yes, I owned
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the Miami starter jacket. I'm not gonna lie. It was
so fire when I was in seventh grade.
Speaker 5 (04:30):
But I like the U.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
I just don't love Carson Beck a lot, like the
coaching staff, and I think Notre Dame gets them this weekend.
My guys Sellers the quarterback at South Carolina. I think
they're gonna be spicy. He's the guy I would watch
coming out of nowhere to like go number one. Maybe
he carries the game Cocks to the playoff. And finally,
Mike dark Horse that Texas Tech Red Raiders. I was
in Vegas last week. I bet some teams in college football.
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Texas Tech to make the playoff was one of my
long shot bets. I love what they did in the portal.
Speaker 5 (04:58):
There's your college football tiers from your boy. All right,
let's bring in.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
Our guest, Albert Breer, mister Monday Morning Quarterback, as is
always obligatory. I have to ask him about Ohio State
right out of the gate breer. Are you disappointed I
didn't have the buck Eyes winning at all?
Speaker 5 (05:18):
Already?
Speaker 2 (05:20):
All who'd you have?
Speaker 3 (05:21):
So?
Speaker 2 (05:21):
I was looking at my phone.
Speaker 5 (05:22):
You weren't even paying attention, been paying attention?
Speaker 2 (05:26):
That's not me, No, no, no, I had Oh d
you want him in the top two though I was
paying attention for that.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
Thank you? Okay, So I think they could be very good.
But I do think Penn State probably gets him this year.
Clemson's loaded, and Alabama is the team I bet to
win the Natty or you bet Alabama?
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Yeah, all right, we'll see, we'll see.
Speaker 6 (05:44):
Like I like, I think Ohio State is one of
those teams where I think it will be a lot
better November than we are in September. It's I mean,
fourteen guys drafted more than that made NFL rosters to
watch a replace. There's a question, of course at quarterback.
I think the game on Saturday is going to be
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a rock fight. I think both teams have excellent, excellent
defenses that from when I've heard, are way ahead of
the offenses right now. But yeah, I mean, like the
way the thing's set up now, where you know you
can have some bumps early and still survive to make
the playoff.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
I think they'll be in good shape going into December.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
Now, there's a rumor on a message board that you
will be at the game this weekend. And I also
saw you'll probably be in the locker room, maybe doing
the coin toss or something like that, because you're.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
I will be in the locker room, but I will
be in the stadium. I do have access for that.
Speaker 6 (06:40):
I guess that's a big issue this week, right, Like,
I'll be okay, I'll be in the stadium, so yeah, yeah, no.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
It's I'm excited to get out there. Man.
Speaker 6 (06:48):
It'll be my two sons first game there with two,
which is going to be pretty cool.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
Yeah, all right, final college football. Got to ask about
arch Manning. I keep asking every guest this week. Do
we know if he's good? I mean, yeah, I'm enough
with the UTSA highlights, Okay, can we wait to see
him live bullets against a good team with a smart defense.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Yeah, you know, it's.
Speaker 6 (07:08):
Interesting, actually, JMC I asked around about him, you know,
going back to.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
You know, like May, when you started to see him.
Speaker 6 (07:16):
Popping up as the number one overall pick in mock drafts,
and you know, with all due respect to him, I
can't remember that ever happening before where you had a
guy who has two college stars being projected in the
next year's draft to that level. So you know, the
guys who are on the ground, who do the school
calls and have been in Austin, you would all say, like,
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the physical tools are there.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
He's a great kid.
Speaker 6 (07:40):
You know, he's been raised right, so there are a
lot of like great pieces to.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Put together there.
Speaker 6 (07:45):
But I mean, I think the leap that everybody's making
here is they assume that he's got all the stuff
that Peyton and eel I had and so they're making
that leap where they say he's Peyton and Eli plus athleticism,
And I don't know that's really respectful.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
To how difficult.
Speaker 6 (08:02):
It is to see the game, to think the game
the way that Peyton and Eli did. And that doesn't
mean that Arch won't get there, But there's a process
in getting there.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
You know.
Speaker 6 (08:11):
Part of it is playing against better competition, which will
happen on Saturday for him. Part of it is, you know,
when teams get six, seven, eight games of game tape
on you, you know, figuring out what you do well,
what you don't do well, and now they're able to
game plan more specifically, can you CounterPunch? You know, there's
still a lot that we have left to find out
about Arch Manning. And I think he'd agree with this,
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like I, as far as I've never talked to him before,
but far as what I know about the kid, I
think you'd agree that there's still a lot left unknown
about what he's going to.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Be as a quarterback.
Speaker 6 (08:45):
And unfortunately, you know the way all this stuff works today,
we're never going to give a kid like that the opportunity.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
To to just let that happen naturally, but you kind
of wish that it could.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
Yeah, no shot of that. All right, let's shift our
focus to the NFL. Let's I don't love talking about
the Cowboys. They sink right, They're the longest drought in
a conference championship game in the NFC by a mile.
And then you Michael Parson showing up at the airport.
I'm gonna get a second opinion on my back. His
brother is tweeting out this is going twelve rounds. I mean,
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at what point does this turn from circus to kind
of like some Shakespearean act where it's really just sad
and depressive.
Speaker 6 (09:25):
Yeah, I mean, I would say that, like a lot
of this is kind of you know, what Jerry's invited
over the last few years, the way He's handled a
lot of these contract negotiations.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
The pacing of.
Speaker 6 (09:35):
It actually isn't much different than the negotiation with Zach
Martin two years ago, with the negotiation with Ceedee Lamb
and Dak Prescott last year, where you know, offers were
made very early in the off season and then there
was you know, basically radio silence. The team goes to
California for camp, there's not much movement, and then at
the very end there's a push to get a deal done.
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Now we'll see what happens and what result from that
final push to get the deal done.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
You know.
Speaker 6 (10:03):
But I'd say there are you know, a couple of
key differences between this one and those. You know, one
certainly is you know, the the public rankor that this
sort of taking place over the course the last three
or four months where a lot of this stuff has
gotten out there.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
And become kind of nasty in the public forum.
Speaker 6 (10:21):
Whether it's between you know, Jerry and the agent David Mulligetta,
whether it's between Micah and the team itself. Obviously, there's
this stuff at the stadium that last preseason game with
the nachos and the lying on the training table, So
this one's gotten more public publicly nasty than than than
those before it. The other difference is just kind of
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how these guys are seen in the locker room, you know.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
And I would.
Speaker 6 (10:47):
Say, you know, Dak and CD and Zach Martin were
all beloved figures in the locker room, and I don't
know that it's quite that way with Micah. Now it
doesn't have to be. He's a great player, you know.
He's a motivated player, you know, and I think that
if you pay him, he's going to be worth every penny.
But that does add a different twist to the tenor negotiations,
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and so.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
I can see them getting a deal done in the
next week.
Speaker 6 (11:12):
I could also see this, you know, turning into something
that drags into the season where you know, all of
a sudden, Michaeh. Parson's back is acting up or his
ankle is acting up, and.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
You just kind of have this like.
Speaker 6 (11:26):
Weird sideways sort of season from one of your very
best players, which of course can put the rest of
the team in a tough spot too.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
Yeah, at what point, I mean, Micah probably has a
little more AMMO to empty the clip. I mean, he
could simply go on his own podcast and go off, yeah,
and shift the attention from Jerry. He could control the narrative.
Jerry can meet the media as much as he wants.
I mean, I know he's a billionaire and he's the owner.
I think Micah has the leverage here. Let me get
on the screen, Albert. We looked at the twenty twenty
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one draft, all the best players in the first round
and Jamar Chase signed Davante Smith extension. All these guys
got their deals early held. The Davanta Smith deal has
done seventeen months ago. Okay, there's one guy on the
list who doesn't have a deal. Doesn't this even further ammo,
Like Jerry doesn't know what the hell he's doing.
Speaker 6 (12:18):
But again, like this is sort of the way that
they've handled it, like, and I think that's part of it,
is he does know what he's doing, you know what
I mean. Like, and I think there's a piece of it,
Like for a lot of these owners, it's keeping the
money in your own pocket for as long as you
can and that could be an element here. It's control
over workforce, which is something Jerry's talked about in the
public forum and in the private forum too, of the
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of the of the ownership meetings.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Wait wait, hold on one of the leaders.
Speaker 6 (12:45):
In the pack when it comes to that stuff, and
making sure that everybody knows who's in charge, you know.
And then I think there's also the entertainment aspect to it,
you know. And I I a couple of years ago,
I would have told you were crazy for saying these things.
And I thought people were kind of off base when
they did say it. But the more it's happened this way,
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and the less aggressive that they've gotten about doing deals
in the months of June and July, the more I thought, like,
maybe there is you know, a side benefit that he
sees in this whole thing, that they're going to be
in the A block and a lot of you know
a lot of shows like this one, you know, like
that they're going to be the most important thing over
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the summer. I mean, will you really be talking about
the Cowboys right now if it weren't for this, No,
j mac No, I mean it's sort of I don't know.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
I mean that maybe because the coaching changed. But they didn't.
Speaker 6 (13:37):
I mean, all due respect Brian Schottenheimer, this wasn't like
a headline grabbing higher.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
You know, Dak's coming back for another year.
Speaker 6 (13:44):
I just I don't know if there's anything that will
capture the imagination of the public that's going on there
right now. And so if you want to be a
real conspiracy theory theorist about this, you could look at
it and say, Jerry's going to get a deal done
his way early or you're going to have.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
To wait until late.
Speaker 6 (14:02):
And the headlines may be part of the benefit for
for Jerry when it comes to all that.
Speaker 5 (14:07):
Okay, So Albert, you're a smart guy.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
You've been in radio, TV writing, you cover the league forever.
Do you want to win headlines and be in the
A bloc in July and August? Or do you want
to be in playoff games that matter in January and
get into the game in February?
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Like, well, you know what my answer is exactly, And.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
That's the only reason I'm pushing back now. You said
an interesting phrase. I almost didn't like it where you
said control over players. So are any are any other
owners speaking in that tone like that? Vibe, Hey, we
got to let them know who's in charge. Or is
that just a Jerry I think that.
Speaker 6 (14:44):
I mean most of them think that way. I get
if you want to the truth of it, most of
them think that way. I mean, that's why there are
so many rules in the CBA that pertain to this
sort of stuff, you know, like whether it's franchise tags,
is strengthening the rules over holding out. I mean, guys
have to pay fifty thousand a day for days they
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miss in training camp, you know, And that's why players
have had to get more creative and doing things like
holding So like if you don't think your owner has
has has that in the back of his head and
how you can maintain control over his workforce, like you
are either you know, rooting for one of the teams,
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the rare guy like that, or you have your head
in the clouds about the way these guys operate.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Just reality of it, you know what I mean.
Speaker 6 (15:33):
Like so, I think Jerry's a little bit more forceful
about it, and Jerry's probably one of the more vocal
guys inside the meeting room, but it exists everywhere, and
it's all over the CBA. You know, there's so many
different things in the CBA that the point to it,
even the length of it, you know what I mean,
Like doing a ten year deal where you have the
opt outs, Like what is that? That's control over workforce?
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So I mean, I know that's sort of a corporate
term for it, but it's exactly what it is.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
Yeah, I mean, Jerry can go to the table and
say we have you for the next three years.
Speaker 5 (16:02):
You can't do anything, come play.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
And honestly, I'm at the point whereer, you know, I'm
not rich or wealthy. If I were a rich guy
and I sided with Michael Parson, I'd say, Micah, I
got you. I'll float some of your lifestyle. I don't
want you going a plane. Get your contract. You deserve it,
You've earned it, just like everybody else in your draft class.
Go screw listening to him. I mean again, maybe that's
a little aggressive.
Speaker 6 (16:24):
On my part, but I mean, but that's the thing is, like,
so what Jerry's told him is like, we have you
for the next three years. Well why do they have
him for the next three years? Because for the next
three years because they have the last year of his contract.
Franchise Tag one, Franchise Tag two. And so those are
mechanisms of control, you know, And I mean there are
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teams that are more aggressive, so they don't have to
use those mechanisms of control because they don't want it
to come to that point with their players. You know,
in a lot of cases, you have a good relationship
with your player and you just don't want it to
come to that. You may believe that you should control
over your workforce, but you know, the Eagles are a
great example of it, Like where you mentioned DeVante Smith,
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like they never just things, never like came even close
to coming to a head with him because you did
him so early.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
You know, Aj Brown, They revised his contract, they.
Speaker 6 (17:16):
Gave him, you know, a big bump when when he
had outplayed the contracts he initially signed. So there are
definitely ways to avoid it. There are definitely teams that
don't want to exert it. Jerry's just never been afraid
to exert these sorts of mechanisms.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
And again, like that whole thing like I have.
Speaker 6 (17:37):
You for the next three years, even though you're only
under contract for the next year, is of course, you know,
a pretty clear way of explaining to your player, like
even after your contract expires, I still have you because
of the rules that we put in.
Speaker 5 (17:55):
I don't like that.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
I mean, maybe the w NBA player should talukp to
the NFL guys and be like, hey, hey, oh you guys,
this is the playbook, is what we're gonna do. But
the other thing looking at that, Ray Shawn Slater got
a new contract July twenty seventh, two weeks later torn
patella out for the year. He doesn't have to worry
about anything. Albert got he got his money. Hey, don't
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rush back. We're good, you got your contract. We're happy
like I'm.
Speaker 6 (18:20):
I mean, Cale McGarry's another one that's not his high profile,
but he got hurt in Atlanta, I think, a few
days after his contract. There are tons of examples of it,
for sure, and that's that's part of the leverage that
owners have, is fear that something like this is going
to happen. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (18:34):
So if I'm Micah, hey man, I just saw what
happened to McGary. What happens later, I'm sorry. I don't
want to go out there. My back is hurt. I mean, honestly,
you have to.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
If you're Dak Prescott and you probably know him as
well as anybody who covers teams. At some point he
has to think, hey, man, I got paid.
Speaker 5 (18:49):
I don't care. We're not winning the super Bowl. We're
not sniffing it.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
I mean, I think the Eagles have a better chance
to repeat than Dallas does even getting.
Speaker 5 (18:55):
To the playoffs. And I think Dak is probably fine
with that. Hey I'm wealthy, I've.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
Got generation wealth, I got my girl, I got my kid.
Speaker 5 (19:02):
I'm fine.
Speaker 6 (19:03):
I don't care.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
At some point, you just have to not care, because
if the owner doesn't seem to care, why.
Speaker 5 (19:07):
Should the quarterback. I'm just gonna go play and make money.
And that's it.
Speaker 6 (19:11):
Yeah, I mean, I see what you're saying. I mean,
but there's also like you only have so many years
to to to to maximize your time in the field,
you know, how you're going to be remembered and all
of that different stuff.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
And I think, you know, Dak's not.
Speaker 6 (19:25):
Really wired that way where it's where it's like, okay, like, well,
like my owner is as all and as I am,
so I'm not going to put as much into it.
Like I just I have a hard time envisioning ever
seeing anything that anything like that happening with that particular
guy like Dak Prescott's not that way, but I would
agree that, like it doesn't always send the best message
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to your locker room when you're doing these sorts of things,
you know. I mean, I think in a lot of ways,
these contract negotiations send messages to the locker room. And
I think, you know, for example, like Terry McLaurin in Washington,
I think one of the tricky things about that one is,
and and was over the course of the last few months,
was like, I mean, if you're if you're in a
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negotiation with somebody who isn't all that well liked or
well respected in the locker room, and there's a dispute, well,
I think guys kind of, you know, just look the
other way on it.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
But if it's a guy like a McLaurin, like.
Speaker 6 (20:20):
They're gonna be guys in the locker room, they're gonna
look at it and say, like, you messed with that guy,
And now that they've paid him, they can point and say,
you know what, we took care of him.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Like it was. It got a little messy, but in
the end we were we were able to find a.
Speaker 6 (20:33):
Solution and he's happy and we're happy, and that's the
kind of guy that we pay. So, you know, I think,
more often than more often than people realize, players keep
score by contract, players keep score by money, and so
you know, they're paying attention to the way that you
handle these sorts of negotiations because they know if one
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of the biggest stars in the team can be treated
a certain way, well, and they're certainly not going to
be exempt from it.
Speaker 5 (21:01):
All right, let's move off the Cowboys. I know management
will love that. I do have to ask.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
I'm taking some heat in Chicago, Albert Okay, yeah, they're
upset with me, Kyle Long. Is they taking jabs at
me like this Caleb Williams Ben Johnson stuff. Again, I'm
listening to the quotes and I'm looking at the actions
of Ben Johnson, and I'm just telling you, from my
point of view, something's going on there. It doesn't feel
like it's off to a good start. They've had like
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four or five months together, and the messaging from Ben. Now,
maybe this is his personality. I don't know what's upbringing.
I don't know his background. It just doesn't seem positive.
And then they signed pagent to a random out of nowhere.
This guy came out of nowhere and they just signed
him to a deal. I'm like, what is happening? So
to maybe talk talk Bears fans off the ledge or
side with me either one.
Speaker 6 (21:49):
I think he's being I think I think Ben's being
intentionally tough on on on Caleb Williams, Like, I think
that's that that that's really the long and short of it.
And this has been being himself and this is the
way he coaches, and you know, as far as I
can tell, like Caleb has been on board with it.
And it produced some really ugly days early in training camp,
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like it did not look good. But if you talked
to Ben about it, what he would tell you is
we were going through a process where we wanted to
feed him through a fire hose.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
And give him as much as we.
Speaker 6 (22:23):
Possibly could, overload him with information, overload him with scheme,
and then come back and narrow down what he's doing
and figure out what he does well and what he
doesn't do well, so all of this stuff that he
doesn't do well out and build an offense around his strengths.
And so I think, like you juxtapose the early days
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in camp against the second preseason game, and you see
a guy who was playing much faster. You see a
guy who's playing much more confidently because they had figured
out exactly what he does best. They've they've honed in
on that, and then they really sort of find too
some of the stuff as far as how fast he's playing.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
How quick the ball is getting out, all of that.
Speaker 6 (23:05):
And I know it didn't look quite the same against
Kansas City. He wasn't quite as sharp against Kansas City
in the last preseason game. But I think this has
gone according to plan, and you know, we'll have to
see what it looks like when the regular season starts.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
But I think people who've been around Ben would remind you.
Speaker 6 (23:22):
Like they had days like this with Jared Goff in
training camp in Detroit, and nobody made us big a
deal out of it because golf was already a proven commodity.
We already had an idea of what golf is. You know,
we'll see if it works with the younger guy.
Speaker 5 (23:35):
Huh. That's positive and upbeat, and I like it.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
I appreciate it. I do have to ask Caleb kind
of had the run of the show last year. He
could do whatever he wanted. He was watching film by himself, reportedly, Well,
guess what the year prior at USC, he was also
just doing his own thing, a lot of backyard football, right,
So two years of just hey, freelance, make a play,
go go get us some points.
Speaker 5 (23:57):
How tough is it going to be to go from that?
To follow my lead?
Speaker 3 (24:02):
Drop read react quickly like it's probably at least a
year with Ben before we see anything close to what
he wants.
Speaker 6 (24:09):
Right.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Well, it's a mentality change, you know.
Speaker 6 (24:12):
I mean, you're you're trying to coach a playing style
out of somebody, and that's not an easy thing to do,
you know.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
I think beyond just that, like in.
Speaker 6 (24:20):
College, like he was asked in a lot of cases
to be the best player on the field, and I
think you saw that reflected in the way that he played.
It was a lot of big play hunting, a lot
of passing up the the the easy stuff. And what
they're trying to teach him to do is play the
(24:42):
game and and and play quarterback and and in a
more between the lines sort of ways instead of constantly
coloring outside the lines. You can run and scramble to
create throws. In the NFL, you can't do it all
the time. And I think I'm a Homes because you
want a story on Pat and Pat and I talked
about this, you know, earlier in the month. Is like,
(25:07):
if you look at his numbers, Mahomes' numbers, he averaged
over ten carries a game when he was at Texas Tech.
That number for his NFL career is under four per game.
And that's a very intentional thing that for Mahomes is
going from having to be the best player on the
field on almost every play too.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
I've got good teammates around me.
Speaker 6 (25:28):
I can trust them, I can get the ball in
their hands, and then when I need to be superman,
I can always put the cape on. That's what they're
trying to get Caleb to do in Chicago is there
are going to be certain plays where we just want
to have your hands at ten and two on the
wheel and just run the offense. And we know that,
we know that you're capable of the bigger stuff when
we need it, but it can't be all the time.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
And I think there.
Speaker 6 (25:49):
Were points last year we saw what happens when he's
trying to be that guy all the time, and they're
trying to dial that back and say, just play quarterback
four times out of five, and then that fifth time
you can go and show everybody exactly what you're capable.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
Your analogy for Caleb got me thinking of the great
movie Old School, where Will Ferrell, you know, used to
be a party animal. Then he's really resigned to the
birds and his wife's like, we don't want to see
old Frank the tank and then he just comes out.
Speaker 5 (26:16):
And he's beer bong and or funneling whatever the kids
call it. Anyways. Albert Breer Monday Morning Quarterback.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
Great stuff as always, Hey, good luck to your buck
guyes this weekend.
Speaker 5 (26:25):
I loaded up. I could use a new car, so
let's go buck guys.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
You money on them?
Speaker 5 (26:31):
Yeah, a couple of bucks like it.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
I like it.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
It's been a while.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
Yeah, yeah, we'll do all right, Albert, thank you? All right,
great stuff from Albert Brier. All right. Coming up next,
Rachel tells us who fans think is the most annoying
player in the NFL. I'm gonna guess it's a cowboy.
But that's just a guess. That's next.
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Speaker 2 (27:54):
That's Covino and.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
Rich, phenomenal stuff from that. Albert Brier. The guy's good,
he really is. And when he goes on his camp tours,
he comes to my town to cover a team and
always texts me he is, Oh, let's go to buy He's.
Speaker 5 (28:11):
A really nice guy.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
Let's go to Rachel Nichols with the news. No, no, no.
Speaker 5 (28:17):
Turn on the news.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
This is the herd line news.
Speaker 4 (28:21):
Jason fans have voted Aaron Rodgers the most annoying football
player in the NFL. Yes, that's from a poll conducted
by the Action Network. Rogers received a whopping twenty four
percent of the total vote. They also broke it down
by fan base, and the numbers there are even more stark.
Twenty one of the NFL's thirty two fan bases rate
(28:43):
Rogers as the most annoying, including the fan base in
Green Bay, the fan base in Pittsburgh, where he currently plays,
and the fan base of the New York Jets, of
which you are a card carrying member. So, for you,
is Aaron Rodgers the most annoying player in the NFL?
Speaker 2 (28:59):
You know?
Speaker 4 (29:01):
Was it?
Speaker 5 (29:01):
Let me hear the rest? Were there any runner ups
or anything?
Speaker 2 (29:04):
So we have we have here.
Speaker 4 (29:05):
You can see on the screen healthy Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (29:10):
By the way, with them, I feel like the reasons
are different.
Speaker 5 (29:12):
This is my opinion. You tell me yours.
Speaker 4 (29:14):
I think the reasons with Travis particularly and Patrick kind
of by proxy, is that there's a lot of football
fans who are obviously sick of the Taylor Stift angle.
Speaker 5 (29:22):
Or the whatever angle.
Speaker 4 (29:24):
Aaron, in my opinion, it seems to be more of
how he has handled pims wealth. Travis, by the way,
his jersey sales since he got engaged up two hundred percent. Wow,
So not every fan is annoyed with him. Yeah, apparently
every fan is annoyed.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
And let's be real with some of these polls, I
mean action that we're probably talked to. I'm five thousand
people and they didn't talk to five million.
Speaker 5 (29:46):
But I don't.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
Totally disagree with Aaron Rodgers being the most annoying. I
can't even I'm scrambling to think of a second. I mean,
Odell Beckham isn't even in the league. Was he was
he in the league last year? I mean, how is
he on the list? But yeah, Aaron Rodgers, I wonder
I would love to hear his thoughts on that. Oh,
you think that Pittsburgh media will ask him.
Speaker 4 (30:08):
I wonder if Pat mcfee'l ask him.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
Oh, that's right, Hey, you were voted a most annoying
player in the league. Your thoughts, Aaron, Oh, it's an honor.
I'm going to go back into a dark When you
go to a darkness retreat, you kind of alienate. Like
seventy five people had not heard of a darkness I
had not before he said he was doing.
Speaker 5 (30:24):
I was like, what the hell is a darkness retreat?
Speaker 3 (30:26):
Yeah, I mean maybe he'll turn up at Burning Man this.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
Have you been to Burning Man?
Speaker 4 (30:30):
By the way, I am very proud to say not
only have I never been to Burning Man, I haven't
looked at anything from Burning Man. I just feel like
dirt my hands just hearing you talk about Burning Man.
Speaker 3 (30:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (30:43):
I told my buddies I would some guys win. A
couple of years ago.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
I was like, I'll I'll helicopter in for a night,
but there's no way I'm staying in the desert helicopter.
I could see Aaron Rodgers just going to Burning Man
and living it up, because he's that kind of guy.
Speaker 4 (30:55):
You know that peanuts character fig Pen. Yes, that's what
I think of when I think Burnings. Yes, let's talk
a little Molik Neighbors. He had an incredible rookie year,
but that toe injury limited his off season work. He
has a back issue that kept him sidelined sideline for
a month training camp. The Neighbors said that despite being
banged up, quote, when it's game time and those lights
are on, my body is going to turn it on.
Speaker 5 (31:18):
So do you think j Max that.
Speaker 4 (31:20):
His numbers are gonna I mean his numbers were amazing.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (31:24):
Look last season he missed two games, right, and his quarterback,
Daniel Jones was released in the middle of the season.
And yet look at this most receptions he ranked second
ever in NFL history.
Speaker 5 (31:37):
Do you feel like he can top it this year? Oh?
Speaker 6 (31:40):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (31:41):
Top that?
Speaker 3 (31:41):
Well, he's got a better quarterback. He probably has a
better backup.
Speaker 5 (31:44):
I mean he was.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
Catching passes from that guy de Vito.
Speaker 5 (31:46):
Yes, right, who's now that guy de Vito? De Vito's
on the Patriots.
Speaker 4 (31:49):
Yeah, he got picked up by the Patriots.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
So I rode Neighbors to a fantasy championship last year
in my big money league. It was amazing and I
didn't even know he's in like jeopardy of is he
gonna miss time?
Speaker 2 (32:00):
This is not good.
Speaker 5 (32:01):
Oh oh, he's okay.
Speaker 4 (32:02):
He said it's a minor back injury.
Speaker 5 (32:04):
That was his quote. Is there such a thing?
Speaker 2 (32:06):
You know what?
Speaker 4 (32:06):
I like to say, there is no such thing as
a minor back injury. But you know, he's he has
been a gamer even when he's been hurt.
Speaker 5 (32:14):
He was hurt a lot.
Speaker 4 (32:15):
Not just he missed two games, but he was hurt
and sort of practices and missed among of practices last year,
and he showed up at game talk.
Speaker 5 (32:22):
That's not great.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
I mean, who's your second skill position player, Tyrone Tracy
the running back. I mean, that's not good. And they
got a brutal schedule early. If Neighbors has to miss
any time, this team is cooked. I mean we already
think they are. Oh boy, that's not good. Get healthy,
Malik out, go Moss.
Speaker 4 (32:40):
Some guys, you look at this on episode that already
the full screen. All right, let's look at the Bills
quarterback situation is in a little bit better shape, right,
Josh Allen winning the MVP last year, so clearly he's
doing a ton of things right. But he recently said
he knows this style of play has to quote evolved.
In specific, he said he needs to be taking fewer hits.
(33:01):
He said, quote just being smarter, sliding, getting at a bound,
throwing ball away a little bit quicker, and not taking
those extra one or two hits a game that start
adding up. So j Mack his sack totals have actually
been going down each of the last three seasons, and
he said it's been making feel better in the off season.
He's there in the MVP, though, I mean, do you
think all of this is this really where he needs
(33:22):
to quote evolve. Do you think it's going to make
a difference if he's taking less hits.
Speaker 5 (33:25):
It's interesting.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
So a buddy of mine, the hardcore gambler, was making
money by he would bet under totals for rushing for
Josh Allen early in the season because Buffalo made it
pretty clear, we don't need you running in September October. Yeah,
big games November, December, January, save it for then, so
he would run more late in the season.
Speaker 5 (33:46):
He's their best option.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
I just wonder if he's saying, you know what, I'm
just going to save my running until the playoffs. Now,
at this point, we got nothing to prove. We're going
to be a one, two or three seed. Let's just
sit because in January, when he tucks and runs, like
just like Ellen Hurts and Lamar Jackson, it's an unstoppable
play the defense, Like, if you're in man and you
got your back turn to the quarterback, you're in trouble. Yeah,
And if you're in zone, he's going to pick you apart.
(34:08):
So I mean, I like this attitude.
Speaker 5 (34:12):
Alan just has to He's just got to beat the
Chiefs in the playoffs. That's it. That's the last thing
him and Lamar have left to do. That's what it
feels like. I mean, this is all great.
Speaker 4 (34:19):
It's always nice to try to fine tune and now
here's your game, you know, in all the different ways.
But his running is so much of his strength, right,
so there's going to be hitsy too. I mean that's
just how it works wellcause Glamar's at the top of
the list of guys taking those kinds of hits. So
that's how it is.
Speaker 5 (34:33):
It's just you gotta bear down in the in the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
I don't know if they track slides, but I feel
like Jalen Hurts slides way more yes than Josh Allen,
who's like six' five and can absorb hits from. Linebacker
so uh, yeah good luck To Josh allen this.
Speaker 5 (34:46):
Year rachel with the.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
News well that's the, news and thanks for stopping by
The herd Line.
Speaker 5 (34:52):
News all, right listen this next.
Speaker 3 (34:54):
Topic so there's AN nba team that really is catering
to their, superstar but they have a second superstar and
they're not really showing him the.
Speaker 5 (35:04):
Love this is becoming an. Issue that's next.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
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Speaker 3 (35:34):
Five All, right this is a fun. Topic, obviously it's
THE nfl. Season it's football, season and the NBA's on
the shelf till Like october when they start the season.
Speaker 5 (35:47):
Last week Of. October BUT i saw this yesterday on Ig.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
Luka doncic is playing In, EuroBasket which is huge this.
Speaker 5 (35:57):
Summer It's joki is playing all the stars.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
Internationally this is the place Where yannis slapped one of
his teammates In greece upside the, head And Luka doncic
was photographed with two people you may, recognize and that
would Be Genie buss And Rob. Polenka you see that
they traveled To europe For EuroBasket to See, luca their.
(36:23):
Guy you guys obviously are On. Instagram i'm sure every
single person listening to the show. Is and you've Seen
lebron not get invited to That luca, dinner not get any,
love no contract. Extension AND i haven't seen any photos
With genie And. Lebron he's playing basketball with his kids
in the, Driveway he's playing a lot of golf with
(36:46):
his Guys Maverick carter and. Company AND i have to,
wonder you guys Know i'm A lebron guy through and.
Speaker 5 (36:53):
THROUGH i will Say i've been saying it for.
Speaker 3 (36:55):
Years lebron when he won the championship with The, lakers
became the goat Past Michael.
Speaker 5 (36:59):
Jordan i'm Sure rachel and others. Disagree it's.
Speaker 3 (37:01):
Fine it's a subjective. DISCUSSION i Think lebron's the. GOAT
i also think right now he has to be stewing
beyond belief of what's going down with The. LAKERS i
want to remind you, guys The lakers were the third
seed in The west last, year and that's trading ad. Midseason,
reportedly they did not run it By lebron. Beforehand they
(37:24):
bring On. Luca he's, hurt missus. Time they're still. Third
lebron's second Team ALL nba and he can't get an,
extension he can't get any, love and they're sucking up
To Luka. Doncic, Now, rachel you've been around THE nba
for a long. Time you Know lebron in his, camp
and we. Agree this is not the worst thing in the.
(37:45):
World this is kind of standard operating. Procedure if you're A,
gm a big wheeler on a, team you go To,
EuroBasket see your Star. Jokich, obviously The nuggets are going
to be well.
Speaker 5 (37:54):
Represented BUT i just have.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
To wonder When lebron is sitting there on the seventeenth
and has going card school.
Speaker 5 (38:02):
There With luca In europe AND i can't.
Speaker 3 (38:04):
Get a, HANGOUT i can't get.
Speaker 5 (38:05):
Anything CAN i get a call AND.
Speaker 3 (38:08):
I just want To i'm not ready to like feel
bad For, lebron But i'm just.
Speaker 5 (38:12):
Curious what's going?
Speaker 3 (38:13):
Through is?
Speaker 6 (38:14):
It?
Speaker 3 (38:14):
Well what do you?
Speaker 4 (38:15):
WANT geni best to invite him over for like a
knitting places something?
Speaker 5 (38:18):
Up what happened? Here what is your?
Speaker 3 (38:20):
PREFERENCE i Want lebron to get the love you want
him to get IT i Want let's.
Speaker 5 (38:25):
Let's break this. Down, okay you're a.
Speaker 4 (38:26):
Basket as you, noted all The nuggets brass went to
go See jokic at your, basket, right this is happening
all over THE. Nba Chauncey billups showed up In poland
to Watch Denny Obvidot LIKE i, mean you do not
have to be A lucadancic level player for your team
(38:46):
to come. Over it's just become what you do if
you're AN nba.
Speaker 5 (38:49):
Team so that this photo to me is absolutely nothing.
Nothing and by the.
Speaker 4 (38:54):
Way this whole idea That lebron is jealous Of, luca
it's just not. True, Okay lebron really Likes luka Dancc
luca has always Shown lebron great. Deference luca has been
very clear he modeled his entire game After Lebron. James
the two of them get along just. Fine and in,
fact When lebron's Agent Rich paul put out that statement
(39:16):
in the middle of summer that got everybody all crazy
where he, said, Oh lebron has to take care of
his future even though The lakers are taking care of
their future and all that. Stuff Rich paul actually Called
Luka doncas's people before he even called The lakers to, say,
hey this has nothing to do with. You so that's
the degree to which The lebron camp is. Okay with
The luca, camp everything's. Fine There where the issue comes,
(39:39):
in and you mentioned it is the contract.
Speaker 5 (39:41):
Extension that's what all of this is. About that's what the.
Speaker 4 (39:45):
Coming welcome home had on social, media and this In
cleveland And i'm at the practice court at The clippers
And i'm here in my old house And akron and
all of. That that is a reaction to the fact
that The lakers have decided they do not want to
extend his contract past this. Season, understandable and their reasoning
(40:06):
is we have a player now who is a generational,
superstar not yet A lebron level, superstar by the, way
but nobody is, yet, Right there's no one else in
THE nba who is A lebron level Yet.
Speaker 5 (40:17):
Luca is one of the next best.
Speaker 4 (40:18):
Teaker gets, there, Right so they Have Luka doncic who
is fifteen years younger Than, lebron and they have to
worry about his next three or four. Years so first
worry about that was will he re sign with?
Speaker 5 (40:33):
Us because he could.
Speaker 6 (40:34):
Have left this.
Speaker 4 (40:34):
Summer so that dinner that you're talking about That lebron
quote wasn't invited. To he wasn't invited because that was
a recruiting dinner For Luka. Doncic BUT i had that
Was Rob blanka brought a binder to that interview to
DISCUSS i.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
Mean to that.
Speaker 5 (40:48):
Dinner he brought a binder to.
Speaker 4 (40:50):
Dinner and the whole point was here's what we plan to,
Do here's how we want to use, you all of
that kind of.
Speaker 5 (40:55):
Stuff that's what that dinner.
Speaker 3 (40:56):
Was now do you think at that Dinner luca at
any point, said, YEAH i don't see a lot Of lebron.
Here what's the game plan for the greatest player IN nba.
Speaker 5 (41:02):
HISTORY i do not think he did.
Speaker 4 (41:04):
THAT i think That Lebron james doesn't understand why for
the first time in his, career he has to play
out the final year of his. Contract he doesn't understand
why he's An ALL nba level player and he's being left.
Hanging and by the, way he has a real point.
Speaker 5 (41:19):
There but The.
Speaker 4 (41:20):
Lakers have a point that they need to keep their
cap sheet clear past next year to find a, younger
big time major star to pair With luca for the foreseeable,
future as opposed to giving fifty million dollars to a
then forty.
Speaker 5 (41:34):
Two years Old, no not that. All it all makes
sense on both. Sides no one's wrong.
Speaker 3 (41:38):
Here it's just it's like it's, complicated if that makes,
sense because remember The lakers Needed lebron what they did
With kobe at the, end they were a. Disaster lebron
pulled them out of the, wilderness brought him a, title
and now they're not really showing him the.
Speaker 5 (41:52):
Love no. Knitting no Knitting jason did in write him
to knit final hour the drama In.
Speaker 3 (41:58):
Dallas of, course they continue
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