Colin talks about the most optimistic NFL fan base and the list might surprise you
The list of QBs that our worth the most points
Joel Klatt stops by The Herd to talk about Arch Manning and the Longhorns losing to Ohio State, Bill Belichick's horrible loss in his college debut against TCU, how Miami looked in their win over Notre Dame, and more.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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listening to Fox Sports Radio. All right, here we go.
It is a Wednesday. NFL opens tomorrow Dallas. We'll get
clobbered by the Philadelphia Eagles. And then Friday. I think
I like the Chargers and a mild up set over
Andy Reid. I know, going against Mahomes who has now
a brand new offensive line, lost their best interior lineman. Remember,
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Kansas City has been blown out twice in Super Bowls.
It doesn't always end well for the Chiefs. It generally
starts very well. But it is a five straight days
of football starting Thursday.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
So it is.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
It is out Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday we have
great football.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Monday.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Bears hosting the Vikings is an unbelievable game. Has there
ever been a game that you cared more about? Where
a place that you've never lived and you don't really
know much about the quarterbacks, how good they are. I
can't wait to watch that game, I'm telling you. In Chicago,
we looked at that hopometer rating by the Athletic where
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fans are pulled. Chicago's like middle upper of the pack.
People in Chicago they are fired up. They when you
have tough winners, you're grateful and appreciative of the good times.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Huh Arctic winters.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
So I think Chicago feels pretty good about it. But
in the Packers, by the way, interesting it was pre
Mica trade, but they were the best organization that didn't
have massive optimism. Denver finished number one.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Hey.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
By the way, in that Vikings game, can I bet
JJ McCarthy points.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
On the opening drive.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
You know, Kevin O'Connell is coming out with some great
script and stuff. Monday night they got just right down
the field for points guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
So something was released today. We've always said Vegas is
truth serum. Vegas cares about one thing, getting it right.
So they listed the quarterbacks who are worth the most
points in the NFL. Josh Allen's number one, Patrick Mahomes
number two. And I think this goes down to something
I touched on yesterday Nobody disputes that Mahomes is unbelievable,
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but it does feel like some of his greatness is
schemed up and designed by Andy Reid. When you watch
Josh Allen in the playoffs, and they did that quarterback
sneak that looked like they drew it up at halftime,
they just kind of made it up. And when they
couldn't get first downs. If Josh Allen isn't Superman, if
he's not wearing a cape, Buffalo does not win those
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big games. And since twenty eighteen, number one and two
in the league in terms of total touchdowns is number
one Josh Allen and number two Mahomes. I would put
Allen to me. In terms of points the most valuable
singular player in the NFL, Jalen Hurts finished four higher
than I would have protected. But Jalen Hurts because of
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the tush push, gets first downs, moves the chains, keeps
the ball away from your quarterback. You know it's Burrow,
It's I mean, but again, Burrow has Jamar Chase Zach
Taylor an offensive coach. Mahomes has an offensive coach. Jalen
Hurts has the best offensive line. You start looking at
all these quarterbacks. Josh Allen O line's okay, who's his
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number one receiver? Defensive coach? Most of these got Justin
Herbert's number six. Well it helps, he's got, you know, Harball,
Dak Prescott say what you want is always had offensive coaches.
Jared Goff's got a great line. Jaden Daniels says Terry McLaurin,
he'll have Debo better old line than you think. And
Cliff Kingsbury c. J. Stroud when healthy, has very good
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receiving weapons. The one guy on that list Lamar Jackson
as Dereck Henry excellent O line. The one guy on
that list that kind of has to put a cape
on is Josh Allen. It is it is his franchise,
so I think he is against the spread. Vegas agrees
that is the most valuable quarterback. Dak is higher than
I would have guessed. Jalen Hurts is as well. But
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I sort of get Jalen Hurts as a complimentary piece
to that offense. But his ability to pick up first
downs with his legs and on the tush push it.
You know, you just end up winning the field position
battle a lot in Philadelphia. So that's where we stand
so this weekend. One of my complaints about college football
through the years is that there are not.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Enough big games.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
So when people freaked out about the college football playoff,
you know, going to twelve or fourteen games, my takeaway
is the schedules will get better.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
You can lose.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Texas lost, They're still, in my mind opinion, an overwhelming
favorite to make the playoff. Clemson lost at home close
to LSU. I still think they'll make the playoff. And
to talk about a weekend one including Bill Belichick's dud,
Joel Klatt, the voice of college football, is joining us
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on the herd.
Speaker 5 (05:19):
What's up, dude.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
It is great to see you. You know how you doing.
I'm doing well.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Jay Mack and I talked about this earlier that there's
this sense that, hey, let's the hype for arch Manning
was great, and I would say the hype for Caleb
Williams at SC was insane. Yea quinn Ewers five star
high school. The hype at the big programs for star
quarterbacks is always huge. Yeah, there are no Ohio State
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quarterbacks that don't have to win openers, especially at home.
So I think the criticism it wasn't that he lost.
It's what it looked like. Yeah, I think that's fair.
And listen, he did not play well.
Speaker 5 (06:00):
I was surprised at the inaccuracy. I thought that he
would be more accurate. But I will say, listen, in hindsight,
he had never thrown a college pass outside of Austin,
you know, and so like starting on the road is hard,
much less against Ohio State and that environment and a
defense that I got to tell you call him like
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their ability to change looks confuse the offensive. It was fantastic.
Matt Patricia deserves a ton of credit for what happened
in that game. And I would say this, there was
some of those new starters for Ohio State that came
out there and played better than the guys that left.
You know, like Jermaine Matthews at corner was sensational. Rvel
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Reese the linebacker looks like he's going to be a
dominant player at the second level.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Ohio State probably has the best corners in the country.
Speaker 5 (06:49):
Yeah, I think Igbinosen played really well. And then Jermaine
Matthews on the other side looks like here And I
was actually so on Thursday night, I was with Lathan Ransom,
who was a safety last year won a national championship.
Really good player, has done a nice job in camp
in the NFL. And I was just talking to him
and I asked him, I said, hey, of the young guys, like,
who do you think is ready to be in Ohio Sate?
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A silver bullet, you know, as they say, part of
the brotherhood. And he goes, he said, I was just
at practice and he said, I think Jermaine Matthews might
be the best corner that I've seen on the practice
field in a long time. And that's from a guy
that's been on the practice field. He's seen it at
Ohio State, and he certainly played that way speaking of
Jermaine Matthews. But back to Arch really quickly, I think
that what we failed to realize was just how big
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the stage was going to be in particular that opponent.
And because of that, I'm really not worried about Arch
in Texas. I really, I really am not.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
So I'll give you an example.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
So NFL guys, So Belichick's kid coached at Washington defensive
side last year, the Huskies in the Big Ten were
number two against the pass and like number sixteen or
seventeen against the run. And the reason I mentioned that
is NFL defensive coordinators you have to be good against.
Speaker 5 (08:05):
The pass, have to.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Yeah, at college stop the run. You may only face
one great quarterback a year. So Matt Patricia is dialing
up stuff that is trying to flummix in his career,
Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson. So my take is Arch
saw defensive coverages and schemes that will far surpass perhaps
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anything he'll see the rest of the year. That is
Quah Knock on the SEC. But Matt Patricia from Belichick
is designing NFL coordinators you got to stop the pass, Yes, rightly, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (08:39):
I agree with that, And I mean that played out
in the numbers. By the way, Texas ran it okay
and should have run it more with him. Maybe he
should have run it more with Arch and used his athleticism.
Sark actually even mentioned exactly what you're talking about in
a different way after the game when he was asked
about the struggles offensively and more specifically Arch's struggles, and
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he and he said, he said, listen, Ohio State's ability
to disguise coverage wasn't just good, it was elite.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
In the first Hash looked confused of course.
Speaker 5 (09:12):
I mean his last start was against Mississippi State at
home way back early last year. Mississippi State was the
worst team in the SEC. So the jump in competition
of what he saw was massive.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Okay, So I thought Ryan Day smartly and appropriately got
conservative after the first two drives. He sat and looked
at Arch's feet and his mechanics, and he got on
that headset and said, guys, we've got bad field position.
Let's just play the field position game. We're going to
win this game, I thought, Julian saying, and Jmack pushed back. Yesterday,
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his numbers weren't great. He had a couple of drops,
he had bad field position.
Speaker 5 (09:48):
Don't tell me. Jmack went stat sheet on you.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
He did.
Speaker 6 (09:52):
Data guy.
Speaker 5 (09:53):
All I know is this my analytics guy over here.
Mike always told me, what are we doing?
Speaker 2 (09:59):
I think you. I thought he was really comfortable.
Speaker 5 (10:01):
Julian was incredibly comfortable and very solid. And they even
said to Jinny after the game and then in his
postgame press conferences that they intentionally played it safe and
could have opened it up. This is the scary part
about Ohio State. If you're the rest of the Big
Ten right now and maybe even the rest of the country.
Not only did the defense look as good or better
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in particular in the secondary, but the offense didn't have
to do anything to go beat Texas. That was the
most conservative offensive game plan that you will see the
rest of the year for Ohio State, and they won
the game against Texas.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
And by the way, they're going to do this this
year because Matt Patricia is going to really limit what
teams can do. Between Ohio State secondary and Matt Patricia,
they're very lucky. This is a year you can get
away with an inexperienced quarterback.
Speaker 5 (10:54):
I think so too.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
I got great corners of the Ohio State linebackers, and
I got the best defensive coordinator probably in the sport.
Speaker 5 (11:01):
I think both teams just saw the best defense they'll
face all year because Texas's defense is an elite defense.
And so even the struggles in the run game, you know,
I think that Ohio State will be able to run
it a little bit more. But to your point about
just to go back to Julian sand for a moment,
he looked very poised and hyper accurate. Even his number
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stat sheet guy over here he wants to blame this.
How about the drops. Claire had a drop, so Smith
had two drops. Innis dropped a beautiful ball down the
sideline that would have terrible.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
Field position after they stopped the bush push. Bad field position.
Speaker 5 (11:36):
As when I watch a guy like Julian saying, here's
what I'm looking for, Like, how long did it take
him to deliver the ball? Was he holding it? No,
he wasn't. No, where were his eyes? Was he scanning
the entire field? No, his eyes were going to the
exact right spot right off theasity. The velocity was there,
the accuracy was there. Even when he didn't throw it
to Smith on that fourth and one, the ball he
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did throw to Max Claire was right on the money
and Claire just dropped it. That would have extended that drive.
So I think if you're Ryan Day in Ohio State,
you feel really good, not just because you got the win,
but the two things that you were wondering about, how
is this Patricia marriage gonna work out well? Excellent? Yeah,
in particular with Caleb Downs at safety and his knowledge
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and ability at safety. And then your young quarterback went
out there in a giant stage against the best defense
that he's going to face all year long and played
really solid football.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Yeah, I know.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
I'm Michigan fans are feeling great about themselves. I didn't
like what they looked like. I think Bryce Underwood's insanely talented.
Speaker 5 (12:36):
I was impressed with Bryce.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
No, he's you know, he's the real deal.
Speaker 5 (12:39):
Yeah for sure.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Yeah, he's really good. I got questions about Michigan. I
don't have any about Ohio State. So I've always said,
I'm a guy that's about substance.
Speaker 5 (12:49):
Are you called me a Mason?
Speaker 1 (12:52):
I'm laying bricks every day, volleyball guy.
Speaker 5 (12:56):
Bill your foundations over here here I am. Don't give
me status sheets. I want to see tangible evidence.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
That's right. But I like Miami.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
I like a little sizzle with my steak, and I
think college.
Speaker 5 (13:09):
I found myself, Wait, wait, which one are you? Are
you substance?
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Wait about that doesn't mean I can't unbutton this puppy
one more button and let my hair down.
Speaker 5 (13:21):
A little, get a little aggressive with.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Rooting for Miami? Did you I found myself pulling for Miami.
Speaker 5 (13:28):
It was a fun game to watch. I'll tell you this.
I thought that the acc in general, with the way
with the way Miami looked and the way that Florida
State looked. And here's what I thought was the biggest
revelation from the Notre Dame Miami game is that Notre
Dame didn't make the dumb mistake in terms of game management.
You know, they went out there and they made the
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plays necessary. And Carson Beck looked really good last year.
Let's let's not forget now. Let's take Carson Beck for
a moment. Carson Beck last year. Did he play great? No,
he didn't, and he had the elbow injury, which I
was concerned about just because it's a tough elbow injury,
so you're wanting to see his accuracy in his veloci.
I thought it was really solid. And then you get
the sense too, it's like, hey, let's remember, Georgia's wide
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receivers were terrible. They led the country in drops last year,
and a lot of the blame went to Carson Beck
and it shouldn't have. He shouldered a lot of the
blame for the way Georgia played offensively, and really it
was more about the guys around him, and that was
evident set on Sunday night. I guess it was when
he was playing against Notre Dame.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Again.
Speaker 5 (14:32):
I don't have many questions about both of those teams.
Notre Dame is really good Quarterbackjj.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
Car Now they're both playoff teams. The difference is Notre
Dame Miami's offensive front.
Speaker 5 (14:44):
They were good.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Yeah, like Penn State good Mario. Notre Dame down Mario.
Speaker 5 (14:48):
Chris Ball has built up those lines of scrimmage and
they played incredible I thought on both sides. And so
just think, let's pull back for a moment in the ACC.
Let's just take a quick overview of the ACC. Even
though Clemson lost, I still think like, Okay, that's still
a really good team. That was a great game Saturday,
that dominates Florida State. All of a sudden, are they
Are they back? Yeah? Probably the way that they look
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the marriage between Gus Melzon and Cassanos to their quarterback,
that looks fantastic. And then now you have to think
to yourself, is Miami actually leveling up? Are they actually
going to do what we think that they should be
doing after the way that they've built their roster over
the last couple of years. If they start winning these
types of games, all of a sudden, Miami is a
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bona fide ACC contender, playoff.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Content now Miami schedule is a little tricky. They got
Florida's they got Florida. That schedule suddenly it's a lot
harder than it looked before. That Notre Dame game they did,
those Florida schools maybe better than we think.
Speaker 5 (15:46):
I totally agree with you, ye, and yet I would say, like,
let's give Marcus Freeman a Notre Dame that could be
the better team you know of the Florida and Florida
state Like they just beat Notre Dame. Name is no slouch,
there's no doubt.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
Okay, again.
Speaker 5 (16:05):
I find wait, well, I need to be read. Is
this substance or sizzle? What should I be prepared for?
Speaker 1 (16:11):
A mason can occasionally jump on a speedboat.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
You can do both.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
A plumber can drive an occasional convertible and maybe masonry
twenty four to seven. But occasionally I like to have
a little fun.
Speaker 5 (16:25):
All right, let's go.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Bill Belichick.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
And this is a this is a it's a cautionary
tale in life.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
If you want to grow, don't seek comfort.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
I got three Belichicks, I got two Lombardes, I got
girlfriends in the program. Jamie Collins played with him, never
coached this staff is a staff that is comfortable for Bill.
It's familiar faces and familiar voices, and it's friends and
it's allies. And that's fine, but that's not what is
working with Andy Reid in Kansas City. He didn't always
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have to love Eric b Enemy. He can disagree with spags.
I find this Carolina thing about Bill is this staff
did not the longer they played the worst Carolina like
they had their first offensive.
Speaker 5 (17:18):
I think that that's I think that's too much. You
think that's overheated. I think it is. I think it's
an overreact. Too many kids on the staff. I think
he had too many new players, Okay, you know, I
mean he had seventy new players.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
I mean that that game they did nothing well.
Speaker 5 (17:38):
I mean the first series they go down and.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Score six plays seven players. I mean, come on, you
got to do better than that. You've totally understand and listen,
there's nobody there.
Speaker 5 (17:48):
The things that they struggled with in a lot of
ways are fixable, Okay, like like being gap sound on defense,
that's fixable. Quarterback making a terrible decision on that route
that leads to the pick six. You know, those are things.
And here's the other part of this is that I
don't think that there's going to be a lineup that
will change more from week one to week two, week
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two to week three than North Carolina because he's going
to evaluate the film and he's not going to just
say like, well, we got to play this kid because
he's been in the program. And so I'm not going
to push the panic button on North Carolina because the
expectation for North Carolina was never going to be that
they were going to be great right away.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
But it wasn't to get humiliated.
Speaker 7 (18:31):
I know.
Speaker 5 (18:31):
But TCU is a really good team there. Josh Hoover
threw for over three hundred yards a game last year. No,
TCU was a nine win team. But you're on the road.
I saw road quarterbacks disintegrate. He ate them alive. I
saw young quarterbacks disintegrate, not just road quarterbacks disintegrate. I
think that the biggest the biggest tell for whether a
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guy will play well is experience, and Hoover has the experience. Listen,
I'm not trying to say North Carolina is going to
be great, but if you look at their schedule, the
two toughest games are clearly Clemson later and this TCU game.
This was the second best team they're going to face
all year long. They have to do it week one
with seventy new players. I don't think it's going to
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look a lot better. I mean they're going to look
better against Charlotte and Richmond and ucf CAL. I mean
that is not a daunting schedule. I still think that
they can get in the five or six one. I
don't think I'm being unfair, But what's your expectation? That's
my question is like, if you're not being unfair, what
were you expecting them to win nine games?
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Well, then, yeah, it was expecting them to be competitive.
I thought TCU would win the game. I told Jmack this.
I thought tc would win eighteen starters, better staff.
Speaker 5 (19:44):
But but don't you get what I'm trying to say.
If you think they were going to be competitive with TCU,
then then you're telling me that you expect them to
win nine games this year. I think that that's an
outlandish expectation for what they're what they are, by the way,
I don't think this is not Dion by the way,
in his first year, who had Shador and Travis Hunter
and they had real talent. They're trying to build this
from scratch. So I'm just gonna I'm gonna wait and
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see for THEE. Belichick.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
I don't think I'm unfair when I bring up you know,
Belichick's got kids in Labardey's cap.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
This is why I'm not being fair.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
I've seen general managers in the NFL not allow their coaches.
John Snyder had a problem with Pete Carroll and his son.
He didn't want him, he didn't want him as a scout.
Pete put him on the staff. That was a fissure
in the relationship years ago of Marty Schottenheimer wanted to
put his son on and I think the GM was
Aj Smith. I don't think i'm taking a shot here.
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When you when you start putting your kids on the staff,
sometimes it works. Owners and GM's are very reluctant to
do that. They fair, But I think I'm being totally
fair on that. I think that's fair.
Speaker 5 (20:47):
I just am I'm not gonna throw dirt on this
one yet, because again I think that this was a
perfect storm of the wrong opponent at the wrong time
for this team. This team is likely to be the
team that develops the most from Week one to Week six.
Or seven in this season and so and again with
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that schedule. If you were expecting them to look competent
and being a close game in a competitive game, that
means you're telling me that they were going to win
nine games. I just don't think that it was that roster,
all right. I mean you walked me into that a
few years ago. I remember I said Nick Saban. I
was like, Alabama's got a Nick Saban problem. I'm not
going to do that to Bill. Let me ask you this,
I'm not going to do it. I you remember that,
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You remember that. I still hear about the Bama fans
still still bring that up. How you doing now, Bama?
Speaker 1 (21:38):
If I yeah, Bam, I zip it. Let me tell
you something. I get into this discussion. Who did I
Who was I talking to about this?
Speaker 5 (21:48):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (21:48):
My buddy?
Speaker 1 (21:48):
John Middlecoff said, the South is different. The intensity of
SEC football is different even than Big ten. And they
love Big ten football. But in what way crowd environment
or or I mean it is in Chicago they love
Big ten football. They talk Cubs, they talk Bears. In
the South, there is fans I'm talking about. There is
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one topic in the South for twelve months, it's SEC football.
Speaker 5 (22:12):
No, I agree with that, and it is.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
They judge recruiting. That is that is twelve days of
sports talk the columnists. Is Kleen de Boar potentially the
wrong personality fit? In fact, maybe when there was a
story out this two weeks ago that when people went
to that Washington team with Pennix and they went and
they and they kind of scouted the staff, everybody said, boy,
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you got a made here. There's no pressure and Washington
loves their football. Yeah, I've wought Jim mcelwaine, a friend
of mine, goes down to Florida, Urban Meyer, physically worn
out at Florida, goes get me up North. I don't
know if Kalen de Boar is built for Bama in
the SEC. And I think Bama, even more than Georgia,
is the pressure cooker.
Speaker 5 (22:57):
I think Klin is an excellent coaches record for itself.
I agree to your point about fit. I think that
there there could be something to that because it is
a different animal and in particular there and more specifically
with with who he's replacing. Right, I mean, this is
this is a no win for Kaitlin de Boor. That
being said, here's the alarming part about what happened on
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Saturday is that Alabama rolled out there. It's not like
they turned it over five or six times and ended
up getting beat.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
In the ball.
Speaker 5 (23:26):
They were the They were the team that got beat physically,
they got beat schematically. They were the team that got
beat by speed. They were the slower team. And here's
the one that that really shocked me. Where was the effort.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
There's some there's some pieces of video out there that
are alarming.
Speaker 5 (23:46):
For sixteen years, that team had a top three or
four roster in the sport, and they played with a
sense of urgency that was unlike any other team. They
they played like their life depended on it, like they
were like their next breath of air depended on their effort.
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Part of that was the competition built into the roster
because they knew if they didn't do that, the kid
behind him was just as good and would take their spot.
And the other part of that was the level of
expectation surrounding practice and preparation for the week. Here's where
I think that Nick Saban and Kaylin de Board differ
the most is the urgency during the week. I think
Kaylin approaches it a little bit more West Coast NFL style. Hey,
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take care of your business. We trust our plan, we
trust our quality players. Let's go out there and put
it on display. And when he's got experienced guys in
a quality offensive line like he had with Washington and Pinnix,
with Roma Dunze on the outside and those quality players, man,
it's beautiful and it works really, really well. Now when
he doesn't have that, and the offensive line, which is
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supposed to be good, starts getting decimated and a young
quarterback that doesn't have the confidence is running for his life.
Plus the game plan is wrong. Did you know that
Ryan Williams spent ninety percent of his snaps in the
slot last year was twenty percent of his snaps. He
is an outside receiver and a beautiful outside receiver when
he's in space, operating in one.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
Talent receiver in the country after Jeremiah Smith.
Speaker 5 (25:14):
I totally agree with that. And they were putting him
in the slot. And he's not a slot guy, all right.
He's not Tyreek in the slot or Jackson Smith and
Jigba in the slot. Where he's his game is about
shiftiness and short area quickness. He's also not a guy
like Jeremiah Smith. Who's six four two and twenty pounds,
who can go across the middle, and he's not going
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to get punished by safeties. No, no, No, He's a guy
that doesn't have that short area quickness. He's a fluid,
straight line, beautiful route runner, wide receiver, and he was
getting punished by those safeties to the point that he
can't finish the game. So the game plan was wrong.
The offensive line was terrible, the young quarterback was overwhelmed.
Their effort was bad, they were out physicaled, their defense
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was bad. They couldn't stop the run. Where does Alabama go?
If I'm not panicked about Texas, I am panicked to
ten for Alabama because now, all of a sudden, that
Alabama team is just a shell of its former self.
By the way, I'm I'm gonna take Oklahoma over Michigan
this weekend.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Okay, yeah, I.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
Replacing Jim Harbaugh is difficult, and I certainly and we
have to be honest about this.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
I know we have.
Speaker 5 (26:23):
You're America's honesty broke.
Speaker 8 (26:24):
Well.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
I like this. I think most people view that as true.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
If you look at the history of Michigan and Notre
Dame or Michigan and Ohio State. And this gets people
all rankled up because they love me and ann Arbor,
I am one of them. Didn't go to the school
fly over it regularly, never went there. They loved me
and I have said Ohio State's the better football program.
Well yeah, yeah, Michigan's got the better medical center, it's
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got the better law school. Michigan the better, right, right,
But Ohio State is the only SEC team north.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
The fans, the talk, the relentlessness, the comet, Ohio is.
Speaker 5 (27:01):
More than that. Ohio State has never had a sustained dip,
you know, like they have been great for twenty five
or thirty.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
So I'm going to throw this out and this may
hurt one of the new guys that they hired on
your show in the afternoon. I think Ohio State's can
own this series for the next ten years. Well, it's
hard to say when they're owing four and they're life
not hard for this honesty broke, isn't it. Ohio State
is going to run that series for a decade.
Speaker 5 (27:25):
Okay, I mean Michigan would beg to differ at this point.
Here's the thing that with this week's game for Michigan
is let's go back to where we started this entire conversation.
What's the one thing that we overlooked with arch Manning.
Playing on the road in a difficult environment for the
first time is incredibly hard. You don't know what you
don't know as a young quarterback. I can tell you
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from firsthand. I remember vividly my first start on the road.
It was at Kansas State in two thousand and three,
and that was a Kansas State team coached by Bill
Snyder that would go on to win the Big Twelve.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
And how'd you do?
Speaker 5 (27:56):
We lost?
Speaker 2 (27:57):
And how do you do?
Speaker 5 (27:58):
I did not play well and I did a lot
of things that were uncharacteristic. I set three formations wrong.
I went the wrong way on a run play, just
because you're you're dealing with emotions and you're dealing with
things and adrenaline that you've never dealt with before on
the football field. And that's something that Bryce Underwood is
going to have to deal with this week when he
goes to Oklahoma, and that environment is going to be outstanding. Plus,
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he's not going to see some vanilla New Mexico defense.
He's going to see Brent Finnable's defense on the other side,
which is aggressive, they'll change their looks. They get the
call in late. It's not going to be clean pictures.
So if Michigan can't just run the football at Oklahoma,
then it could be difficult. Because I do know one
thing about Michigan's offensive line. They're elite run blockers, average
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pass blockers. If they fall behind at all and venables
in that crowd and that pressure starts getting ratchet up,
then Bryce Underwood might be under a lot of dress
come Saturday night.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
By the way, I'm Underwood's great. I do I know
now that the kid at USC, the freshman, he looks
good too. Yeah, he's good. I'm not down to play.
It was a school Missouri. It doesn't have a rich history,
but is on their way.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
It was it. It was you know, you didn't ask
me about my first start.
Speaker 5 (29:12):
Oh I'm sorry, Colin, what was your first start?
Speaker 1 (29:14):
I didn't play college, Okay, I was already becoming a
beacon of honesty as a broadcaster at Eastern Washing That's right. Yeah,
there were opportunities, but I chose broadcasting well and you
eventually you chose correctly. We ended up at the same place.
Speaker 5 (29:28):
Yes, yes, we did well, and you're you're on the throne.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
New set.
Speaker 5 (29:33):
This is a beautiful set.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
It really is.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
It's it's a lot, it's a it's a it's a
lot of management.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
It's a lot of a lot of pressure, a lot
of man And I'm like arch Manning, I'm hitting the layup.
Speaker 5 (29:44):
So far you are your experience about your first rodeo.
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Speaker 1 (30:28):
Okay, by the way, I have some information I can't
give you and some that I can you know, J Max.
Sometimes when you're in this position of authority in America,
you get information. You can't tell the audience everything, but
I will tell you. We just discovered the rating for
the Texas Ohio State college football game. I cannot give
you the rating it.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
I cannot believe the number.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
It is the most washed Week one game in the
history of college football. And this is why I was
such a proponent of the playoff, as that you're gonna
get teams that say, I mean, by the way, both
these teams will probably be in the playoff, Notre Dame
in Miami, They'll both be in.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
The playoff, LSU Clemson. So it was an unbelieved week.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
Wait until you see the number they're rating this puppy
gout it is. I mean, I was blown away by it.
And so it's the most watched week and you had
to watch until the end because that Texas got that touchdown,
there was just enough time to make it interesting. I
do wonder what would have happened if Texas got the
touchdown on a tush push. Does that change? Does Ryan
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Day get a little more aggressive in play calling once
they stopped him there? I kind of felt like, you know,
Ohio State kind of felt like, Okay, we dodged the
bullet there, We're good. But the wow, it is arguably well,
it's the best opening weekend in the history of college football.
Notre Dame Miami was incredible, LSU, Clemson great. I mean
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the dud TCU even that one got me the mid
third quarter. Belichick's debut, but wow, going to tell you
it got like an NFL number.
Speaker 4 (32:03):
What do you think this does for Arch Manning? Are
we going to see him on TV every week now?
Because this is a lot of this had to do
with Arch Manning.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
No, I think Ohio State and Texas are two of
the top four brands in the sport.
Speaker 4 (32:13):
But I think the appetite to see this kid, what
has he got?
Speaker 2 (32:16):
He's a Manning.
Speaker 4 (32:16):
You know, we've seen him before, but this is his
show now. I think he's much watched must watch TV,
even with these three duds that he's.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
Got to Well, you know what, that's part of the
process of being a star quarterback. When people when people
came out and said, I can't believe Caleb Williams is
getting crushed because he painted his fingernails.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
If you're going to be the number one pick.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
And I remember when Baker Mayfield and Peter King said
I was too tough on Baker Mayfield. He's gonna be
the number one pick in the draft. He's a quarterback.
I'm gonna be tough on him. And by the way,
he always took it well. I mean we went back
and forth, but that's part of the process of being
if he's great, he is eligible to come out. He's
been in the program. I mean because he entered early
to the program. He was an early in roll league,
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so he's already been there like three years. And he's
a Manning so I'm not worried about and he's a
smart kid.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
He can handle.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
I didn't love multiple ad campaigns. I did not love
that at all.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
But he's kind of like six million in Nio money.
I just didn't love that. I always thought Brady did
it right.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
I want to see production and trophies before I get
a bunch of ads. I think you're just but it's money,
and I get it. Brady was a pro. I mean,
Arch is a college kid making yeah, but he's the Manning.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
Kids are different.
Speaker 4 (33:26):
Do you do you think you're turning down six million
dollars if you're twenty one years old.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
No, I just think I just think the Mannings are different.
They live in a different space. Everything they touch on
money maybe well, I mean if you count Omaha Productions
and Eli's got a business Adelion Cooper's at cooper as
a business which is a fascinating business about hotels in
the South and on college campuses. That family all in
it's probably worth a billion dollars.
Speaker 4 (33:49):
You know, when you're a young kid, you want to
be your own man. Right, you leave home, you go
to college. I'm my own guy. I don't need my parents' money.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
Come on, well you're also a man, yeah, but I
would say you're a manning and stuff.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
You and I are like that.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
I think there are certain families in this country, like
I mean, I'm seriously about you know, this is not
analogous perfectly, but like the Rockefeller kids, or there are
certain East Coast families where you're part of a little
bit of a financial dynasty, or or you know, West
Coast families in entertainment.
Speaker 4 (34:21):
Ronnie James, right, I heard a lot of stories he
goes to USC and he was making tons of money
playing video games. He was like a gamer, and he like,
why are you playing video games till two in the morning?
Because I want to make my own money. That's the
stories people say that he was saying he wants to
make his own he doesn't want dad's money. Can't I
cannot knock cards for the money.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
I can knock givenocking him.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
I'm just saying it doesn't bother me that he's being criticized,
because that is Texas quarterbacks are under the spot. It's
Notre Dame quarterbacks. It's Yankee shortstops. It's one year with nil.
Here's the downside to all the soft cookie dough soft
sports writers that cover college football. Once you pay the
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players they're professional, the criticism ramps up.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
I used to always be like.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
I'm not going to really harshly criticize a college quarterback
until he's eligible for the draft. You're making five large
as a sophomore at Texas, you're a pro. Carson Beck
was clean, Carson Beck is a pro athlete. It was
fair to rip in at Georgia.
Speaker 4 (35:22):
It's fair to praise him now and has changed everything.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
You're getting paid five million. You're making more than everybody
but the head coach on the staff. You can be criticized.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
Now you want to.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
Take the money, I'm for it, But this idea that
it's all the same. Now, basically, Lane Kiffin had it right.
Nil is free agency. That's what anil is. It's professional fore.
Speaker 4 (35:42):
Tennessee quarterback who left for Ucla. That was free agency.
That was in the spring. He just bolted Tennessee to Ucla.
Stinks up the joint. Hey Nico, come on bro, all right,
why have an la answer Hurd?
Speaker 6 (35:55):
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Speaker 2 (36:06):
Wait until you.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
See that number, that rating for Ohio State, Texas, America.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
So is it older? Is it a larger number than
my age? You know, I just I can rent a car.
It would be a super Bowl. I'm kidding.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
I'm just saying. I don't spend a ton of time
worrying about that. But I when I guessed the number,
and I was way off. I mean, just the pregame shows,
Big Noon and game day combine massive numbers, so the
audiences are just exploding everywhere. For college football, it's a buye.
There's certain sports like I like the MLS, but once
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they went to Apple, there's no casual viewers. They don't
pop up on my feed. Like that's not a buy anymore.
I think college football is a BUYE. Jmack with a
news No, No.
Speaker 4 (36:55):
This is the herdline news Steelers Jets Week one.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
Justin Fields.
Speaker 4 (37:02):
Hey, he hears the media talking about the revenge angle,
but he says, hey, man, this is just another football game.
Speaker 7 (37:09):
The storyline's crazy. I mean, that's that's why the NFL
said us up for Week one just for that. But
I mean, yeah, it's cool. Could to you know, kind
of see that and you know it's gonna be fun,
you know, going to Agains see the guys on Sunday.
So I'm a big believer and everything happens for a reason.
Like I said, I was in a spot last year
where I was able to see the game from a
different perspective. I learned a lot, thank you know, Russ
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and just just all the other vests there, so not
at all.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
I kind of like the Jets or put Sauce Gardner,
put him on DK Metcalf, take him out of the game,
and put some pressure with that defensive front on the
old Aaron Rodgers Field is remember Fields went four and
two with the Steelers. Yeah, if you extrapolate those numbers out,
he would have been a borderline Pro Bowl quarterback in
the NFC, but.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
He was in the AFC with the Jets or Steamers.
Speaker 4 (37:53):
The crummy Jets news is avt Vera Tucker, the kid
from USC, excellent offensive and hurdle multiple this shirt a lot.
Sounds like he might be out for the season with
the torn Pack. He's getting his second opinion. I don't
want to speak any more of it.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
Let's move on. Uh, let's go to the Lions.
Speaker 4 (38:08):
Colin, Ben Johnson and Aaron Glenn depart Detroit. Everybody's worried.
Jared Goff says, hey man, we're gonna be fine. Ahead
of the matchup against Micah Parsons and the Packers.
Speaker 8 (38:20):
Bigas been wrong before, right, you know who knows? We'll
see I think, yeah, they're a good team, they added
a good player, and we're all zero and zero. It's
confusing because I don't even know where where do we
stand externally. I don't know what people you know, and
I don't really care, but like, are we supposed to
be good?
Speaker 5 (38:36):
Are we supposed to be bad.
Speaker 8 (38:37):
Are we all these different storylines and so we don't.
You can't ride that roller coaster.
Speaker 5 (38:41):
And we don't.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
Yeah, I you know, the Green Bay Packers, We're all
still asking the same question. Is Jordan Love really good?
And I don't think anybody knows the answer.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
I don't. I think.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
I think he's tall, moves well with a whip for
an arm, and I like the way he plays more
far than Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
He'll throw picks, he doesn't care.
Speaker 1 (39:02):
He's got a little Andrew loking a little far if
he can be a little reckless, but he doesn't care.
He just stands back there with a lot of confidence
and lets it go.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
I like him.
Speaker 1 (39:10):
But at the end of last year, probably hurt didn't
play particularly well.
Speaker 4 (39:14):
Yeah, and the little surprise Packers are savored by Moore.
I thought they'd be at least three year at home.
One of my favorite games.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
I like Green Bay. We'd be talking about that game
eight a lot. Green Bay is one of my favorite
picks of the week.
Speaker 4 (39:25):
On Friday, final story Collins a college football Now, I
want to save some time for this LSU Clemson was crazy.
So Clemson did well in the first quarter and a
half and then LSU took over and Clemson was inept.
So afterward, Dabo Sweeney and Brian Kelly traded Barbes in
the postgame presser.
Speaker 2 (39:42):
You need to listen to this.
Speaker 3 (39:45):
Down the last play right out of the gate. It's
like getting the final exam Day one a class. They
made a sixty five, We made a fifty eight. NY
one of us were great.
Speaker 10 (39:57):
I thought we dominated him in the second half. So
he's either a really good greater for you know, giving
himself a fifty eight, or he's a really hard greater
on us, or he didn't see the second half, which
that might be the case.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
He might not have wanted to see the second half. Woo.
Brian Kelly talking tough.
Speaker 1 (40:18):
Well, I mean I thought LSU was clearly the better team.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
Second half, Dominos waiting up halftime. Adjustments are big in sports.
Are you going to the locker room?
Speaker 4 (40:26):
You make adjustments, and LSU dominated the second half.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
Nusmeyer made every throw club. Maybe Brian Kelly's right.
Speaker 1 (40:33):
People may think that's, you know, kind of jerky, but
I think he's right.
Speaker 4 (40:36):
Well, there was some is Brian Kelly on the hot
seat under the buyouts expensive, but he was catching some
heat in the preseason. Are they good and they go
into Clemson that's a great and totally control the second half.
He's not wrong. LSU was the better team.
Speaker 1 (40:50):
Garrettnssmeyer may have had the best weekend of every quarterback
to go on the road. The prospect I thought Garrett
Nusmeyer played. That's again I know experience, but that's a
tough environment you going as an underdog. I mean they
were I don't know what the line was was. It
was like Clemson was favored by more than a few.
Speaker 4 (41:09):
Bruce Feldman coming on the show, he's all in on
Clemson saying they're great.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
I didn't see it, Colin. I didn't see any greatness
with Glutson.
Speaker 4 (41:17):
No.
Speaker 2 (41:18):
Jmax with the news, Well that's the news, and thanks
for stopping by the.
Speaker 6 (41:23):
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Speaker 1 (41:25):
I'm going to talk you into taking Harbaugh and the points,
which one ravens or forty nine ers. Baltimore's got a
better roster than Buffalo.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
At a way to spend my money than I think.
Speaker 1 (41:37):
I like Jose Harbaugh's this weekend Our three News
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It is a Wednesday. NFL opens tomorrow Dallas. We'll get
clobbered by the Philadelphia Eagles. And then Friday. I think
I like the Chargers and a mild up set over
Andy Reid. I know, going against Mahomes who has now
a brand new offensive line, lost their best interior lineman. Remember,
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Kansas City has been blown out twice in Super Bowls.
It doesn't always end well for the Chiefs. It generally
starts very well. But it is a five straight days
of football starting Thursday.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
So it is.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
It is out Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday we have
great football.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Monday.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Bears hosting the Vikings is an unbelievable game. Has there
ever been a game that you cared more about? Where
a place that you've never lived and you don't really
know much about the quarterbacks, how good they are. I
can't wait to watch that game, I'm telling you. In Chicago,
we looked at that hopometer rating by the Athletic where
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fans are pulled. Chicago's like middle upper of the pack.
People in Chicago they are fired up. They when you
have tough winners, you're grateful and appreciative of the good times.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Huh Arctic winters.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
So I think Chicago feels pretty good about it. But
in the Packers, by the way, interesting it was pre
Mica trade, but they were the best organization that didn't
have massive optimism. Denver finished number one.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Hey.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
By the way, in that Vikings game, can I bet
JJ McCarthy points.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
On the opening drive.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
You know, Kevin O'Connell is coming out with some great
script and stuff. Monday night they got just right down
the field for points guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
So something was released today. We've always said Vegas is
truth serum. Vegas cares about one thing, getting it right.
So they listed the quarterbacks who are worth the most
points in the NFL. Josh Allen's number one, Patrick Mahomes
number two. And I think this goes down to something
I touched on yesterday Nobody disputes that Mahomes is unbelievable,
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but it does feel like some of his greatness is
schemed up and designed by Andy Reid. When you watch
Josh Allen in the playoffs, and they did that quarterback
sneak that looked like they drew it up at halftime,
they just kind of made it up. And when they
couldn't get first downs. If Josh Allen isn't Superman, if
he's not wearing a cape, Buffalo does not win those
(02:51):
big games. And since twenty eighteen, number one and two
in the league in terms of total touchdowns is number
one Josh Allen and number two Mahomes. I would put
Allen to me. In terms of points the most valuable
singular player in the NFL, Jalen Hurts finished four higher
than I would have protected. But Jalen Hurts because of
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the tush push, gets first downs, moves the chains, keeps
the ball away from your quarterback. You know it's Burrow,
It's I mean, but again, Burrow has Jamar Chase Zach
Taylor an offensive coach. Mahomes has an offensive coach. Jalen
Hurts has the best offensive line. You start looking at
all these quarterbacks. Josh Allen O line's okay, who's his
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number one receiver? Defensive coach? Most of these got Justin
Herbert's number six. Well it helps, he's got, you know, Harball,
Dak Prescott say what you want is always had offensive coaches.
Jared Goff's got a great line. Jaden Daniels says Terry McLaurin,
he'll have Debo better old line than you think. And
Cliff Kingsbury c. J. Stroud when healthy, has very good
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receiving weapons. The one guy on that list Lamar Jackson
as Dereck Henry excellent O line. The one guy on
that list that kind of has to put a cape
on is Josh Allen. It is it is his franchise,
so I think he is against the spread. Vegas agrees
that is the most valuable quarterback. Dak is higher than
I would have guessed. Jalen Hurts is as well. But
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I sort of get Jalen Hurts as a complimentary piece
to that offense. But his ability to pick up first
downs with his legs and on the tush push it.
You know, you just end up winning the field position
battle a lot in Philadelphia. So that's where we stand
so this weekend. One of my complaints about college football
through the years is that there are not.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Enough big games.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
So when people freaked out about the college football playoff,
you know, going to twelve or fourteen games, my takeaway
is the schedules will get better.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
You can lose.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Texas lost, They're still, in my mind opinion, an overwhelming
favorite to make the playoff. Clemson lost at home close
to LSU. I still think they'll make the playoff. And
to talk about a weekend one including Bill Belichick's dud,
Joel Klatt, the voice of college football, is joining us
(05:18):
on the herd.
Speaker 5 (05:19):
What's up, dude.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
It is great to see you. You know how you doing.
I'm doing well.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Jay Mack and I talked about this earlier that there's
this sense that, hey, let's the hype for arch Manning
was great, and I would say the hype for Caleb
Williams at SC was insane. Yea quinn Ewers five star
high school. The hype at the big programs for star
quarterbacks is always huge. Yeah, there are no Ohio State
(05:46):
quarterbacks that don't have to win openers, especially at home.
So I think the criticism it wasn't that he lost.
It's what it looked like. Yeah, I think that's fair.
And listen, he did not play well.
Speaker 5 (06:00):
I was surprised at the inaccuracy. I thought that he
would be more accurate. But I will say, listen, in hindsight,
he had never thrown a college pass outside of Austin,
you know, and so like starting on the road is hard,
much less against Ohio State and that environment and a
defense that I got to tell you call him like
(06:21):
their ability to change looks confuse the offensive. It was fantastic.
Matt Patricia deserves a ton of credit for what happened
in that game. And I would say this, there was
some of those new starters for Ohio State that came
out there and played better than the guys that left.
You know, like Jermaine Matthews at corner was sensational. Rvel
(06:42):
Reese the linebacker looks like he's going to be a
dominant player at the second level.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Ohio State probably has the best corners in the country.
Speaker 5 (06:49):
Yeah, I think Igbinosen played really well. And then Jermaine
Matthews on the other side looks like here And I
was actually so on Thursday night, I was with Lathan Ransom,
who was a safety last year won a national championship.
Really good player, has done a nice job in camp
in the NFL. And I was just talking to him
and I asked him, I said, hey, of the young guys, like,
who do you think is ready to be in Ohio Sate?
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A silver bullet, you know, as they say, part of
the brotherhood. And he goes, he said, I was just
at practice and he said, I think Jermaine Matthews might
be the best corner that I've seen on the practice
field in a long time. And that's from a guy
that's been on the practice field. He's seen it at
Ohio State, and he certainly played that way speaking of
Jermaine Matthews. But back to Arch really quickly, I think
that what we failed to realize was just how big
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the stage was going to be in particular that opponent.
And because of that, I'm really not worried about Arch
in Texas. I really, I really am not.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
So I'll give you an example.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
So NFL guys, So Belichick's kid coached at Washington defensive
side last year, the Huskies in the Big Ten were
number two against the pass and like number sixteen or
seventeen against the run. And the reason I mentioned that
is NFL defensive coordinators you have to be good against.
Speaker 5 (08:05):
The pass, have to.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Yeah, at college stop the run. You may only face
one great quarterback a year. So Matt Patricia is dialing
up stuff that is trying to flummix in his career,
Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson. So my take is Arch
saw defensive coverages and schemes that will far surpass perhaps
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anything he'll see the rest of the year. That is
Quah Knock on the SEC. But Matt Patricia from Belichick
is designing NFL coordinators you got to stop the pass, Yes, rightly, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (08:39):
I agree with that, And I mean that played out
in the numbers. By the way, Texas ran it okay
and should have run it more with him. Maybe he
should have run it more with Arch and used his athleticism.
Sark actually even mentioned exactly what you're talking about in
a different way after the game when he was asked
about the struggles offensively and more specifically Arch's struggles, and
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he and he said, he said, listen, Ohio State's ability
to disguise coverage wasn't just good, it was elite.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
In the first Hash looked confused of course.
Speaker 5 (09:12):
I mean his last start was against Mississippi State at
home way back early last year. Mississippi State was the
worst team in the SEC. So the jump in competition
of what he saw was massive.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Okay, So I thought Ryan Day smartly and appropriately got
conservative after the first two drives. He sat and looked
at Arch's feet and his mechanics, and he got on
that headset and said, guys, we've got bad field position.
Let's just play the field position game. We're going to
win this game, I thought, Julian saying, and Jmack pushed back. Yesterday,
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his numbers weren't great. He had a couple of drops,
he had bad field position.
Speaker 5 (09:48):
Don't tell me. Jmack went stat sheet on you.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
He did.
Speaker 6 (09:52):
Data guy.
Speaker 5 (09:53):
All I know is this my analytics guy over here.
Mike always told me, what are we doing?
Speaker 2 (09:59):
I think you. I thought he was really comfortable.
Speaker 5 (10:01):
Julian was incredibly comfortable and very solid. And they even
said to Jinny after the game and then in his
postgame press conferences that they intentionally played it safe and
could have opened it up. This is the scary part
about Ohio State. If you're the rest of the Big
Ten right now and maybe even the rest of the country.
Not only did the defense look as good or better
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in particular in the secondary, but the offense didn't have
to do anything to go beat Texas. That was the
most conservative offensive game plan that you will see the
rest of the year for Ohio State, and they won
the game against Texas.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
And by the way, they're going to do this this
year because Matt Patricia is going to really limit what
teams can do. Between Ohio State secondary and Matt Patricia,
they're very lucky. This is a year you can get
away with an inexperienced quarterback.
Speaker 5 (10:54):
I think so too.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
I got great corners of the Ohio State linebackers, and
I got the best defensive coordinator probably in the sport.
Speaker 5 (11:01):
I think both teams just saw the best defense they'll
face all year because Texas's defense is an elite defense.
And so even the struggles in the run game, you know,
I think that Ohio State will be able to run
it a little bit more. But to your point about
just to go back to Julian sand for a moment,
he looked very poised and hyper accurate. Even his number
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stat sheet guy over here he wants to blame this.
How about the drops. Claire had a drop, so Smith
had two drops. Innis dropped a beautiful ball down the
sideline that would have terrible.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
Field position after they stopped the bush push. Bad field position.
Speaker 5 (11:36):
As when I watch a guy like Julian saying, here's
what I'm looking for, Like, how long did it take
him to deliver the ball? Was he holding it? No,
he wasn't. No, where were his eyes? Was he scanning
the entire field? No, his eyes were going to the
exact right spot right off theasity. The velocity was there,
the accuracy was there. Even when he didn't throw it
to Smith on that fourth and one, the ball he
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did throw to Max Claire was right on the money
and Claire just dropped it. That would have extended that drive.
So I think if you're Ryan Day in Ohio State,
you feel really good, not just because you got the win,
but the two things that you were wondering about, how
is this Patricia marriage gonna work out well? Excellent? Yeah,
in particular with Caleb Downs at safety and his knowledge
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and ability at safety. And then your young quarterback went
out there in a giant stage against the best defense
that he's going to face all year long and played
really solid football.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Yeah, I know.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
I'm Michigan fans are feeling great about themselves. I didn't
like what they looked like. I think Bryce Underwood's insanely talented.
Speaker 5 (12:36):
I was impressed with Bryce.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
No, he's you know, he's the real deal.
Speaker 5 (12:39):
Yeah for sure.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Yeah, he's really good. I got questions about Michigan. I
don't have any about Ohio State. So I've always said,
I'm a guy that's about substance.
Speaker 5 (12:49):
Are you called me a Mason?
Speaker 1 (12:52):
I'm laying bricks every day, volleyball guy.
Speaker 5 (12:56):
Bill your foundations over here here I am. Don't give
me status sheets. I want to see tangible evidence.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
That's right. But I like Miami.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
I like a little sizzle with my steak, and I
think college.
Speaker 5 (13:09):
I found myself, Wait, wait, which one are you? Are
you substance?
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Wait about that doesn't mean I can't unbutton this puppy
one more button and let my hair down.
Speaker 5 (13:21):
A little, get a little aggressive with.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Rooting for Miami? Did you I found myself pulling for Miami.
Speaker 5 (13:28):
It was a fun game to watch. I'll tell you this.
I thought that the acc in general, with the way
with the way Miami looked and the way that Florida
State looked. And here's what I thought was the biggest
revelation from the Notre Dame Miami game is that Notre
Dame didn't make the dumb mistake in terms of game management.
You know, they went out there and they made the
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plays necessary. And Carson Beck looked really good last year.
Let's let's not forget now. Let's take Carson Beck for
a moment. Carson Beck last year. Did he play great? No,
he didn't, and he had the elbow injury, which I
was concerned about just because it's a tough elbow injury,
so you're wanting to see his accuracy in his veloci.
I thought it was really solid. And then you get
the sense too, it's like, hey, let's remember, Georgia's wide
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receivers were terrible. They led the country in drops last year,
and a lot of the blame went to Carson Beck
and it shouldn't have. He shouldered a lot of the
blame for the way Georgia played offensively, and really it
was more about the guys around him, and that was
evident set on Sunday night. I guess it was when
he was playing against Notre Dame.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Again.
Speaker 5 (14:32):
I don't have many questions about both of those teams.
Notre Dame is really good Quarterbackjj.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
Car Now they're both playoff teams. The difference is Notre
Dame Miami's offensive front.
Speaker 5 (14:44):
They were good.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Yeah, like Penn State good Mario. Notre Dame down Mario.
Speaker 5 (14:48):
Chris Ball has built up those lines of scrimmage and
they played incredible I thought on both sides. And so
just think, let's pull back for a moment in the ACC.
Let's just take a quick overview of the ACC. Even
though Clemson lost, I still think like, Okay, that's still
a really good team. That was a great game Saturday,
that dominates Florida State. All of a sudden, are they
Are they back? Yeah? Probably the way that they look
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the marriage between Gus Melzon and Cassanos to their quarterback,
that looks fantastic. And then now you have to think
to yourself, is Miami actually leveling up? Are they actually
going to do what we think that they should be
doing after the way that they've built their roster over
the last couple of years. If they start winning these
types of games, all of a sudden, Miami is a
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bona fide ACC contender, playoff.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Content now Miami schedule is a little tricky. They got
Florida's they got Florida. That schedule suddenly it's a lot
harder than it looked before. That Notre Dame game they did,
those Florida schools maybe better than we think.
Speaker 5 (15:46):
I totally agree with you, ye, and yet I would say, like,
let's give Marcus Freeman a Notre Dame that could be
the better team you know of the Florida and Florida
state Like they just beat Notre Dame. Name is no slouch,
there's no doubt.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
Okay, again.
Speaker 5 (16:05):
I find wait, well, I need to be read. Is
this substance or sizzle? What should I be prepared for?
Speaker 1 (16:11):
A mason can occasionally jump on a speedboat.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
You can do both.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
A plumber can drive an occasional convertible and maybe masonry
twenty four to seven. But occasionally I like to have
a little fun.
Speaker 5 (16:25):
All right, let's go.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Bill Belichick.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
And this is a this is a it's a cautionary
tale in life.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
If you want to grow, don't seek comfort.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
I got three Belichicks, I got two Lombardes, I got
girlfriends in the program. Jamie Collins played with him, never
coached this staff is a staff that is comfortable for Bill.
It's familiar faces and familiar voices, and it's friends and
it's allies. And that's fine, but that's not what is
working with Andy Reid in Kansas City. He didn't always
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have to love Eric b Enemy. He can disagree with spags.
I find this Carolina thing about Bill is this staff
did not the longer they played the worst Carolina like
they had their first offensive.
Speaker 5 (17:18):
I think that that's I think that's too much. You
think that's overheated. I think it is. I think it's
an overreact. Too many kids on the staff. I think
he had too many new players, Okay, you know, I
mean he had seventy new players.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
I mean that that game they did nothing well.
Speaker 5 (17:38):
I mean the first series they go down and.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Score six plays seven players. I mean, come on, you
got to do better than that. You've totally understand and listen,
there's nobody there.
Speaker 5 (17:48):
The things that they struggled with in a lot of
ways are fixable, Okay, like like being gap sound on defense,
that's fixable. Quarterback making a terrible decision on that route
that leads to the pick six. You know, those are things.
And here's the other part of this is that I
don't think that there's going to be a lineup that
will change more from week one to week two, week
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two to week three than North Carolina because he's going
to evaluate the film and he's not going to just
say like, well, we got to play this kid because
he's been in the program. And so I'm not going
to push the panic button on North Carolina because the
expectation for North Carolina was never going to be that
they were going to be great right away.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
But it wasn't to get humiliated.
Speaker 7 (18:31):
I know.
Speaker 5 (18:31):
But TCU is a really good team there. Josh Hoover
threw for over three hundred yards a game last year. No,
TCU was a nine win team. But you're on the road.
I saw road quarterbacks disintegrate. He ate them alive. I
saw young quarterbacks disintegrate, not just road quarterbacks disintegrate. I
think that the biggest the biggest tell for whether a
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guy will play well is experience, and Hoover has the experience. Listen,
I'm not trying to say North Carolina is going to
be great, but if you look at their schedule, the
two toughest games are clearly Clemson later and this TCU game.
This was the second best team they're going to face
all year long. They have to do it week one
with seventy new players. I don't think it's going to
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look a lot better. I mean they're going to look
better against Charlotte and Richmond and ucf CAL. I mean
that is not a daunting schedule. I still think that
they can get in the five or six one. I
don't think I'm being unfair, But what's your expectation? That's
my question is like, if you're not being unfair, what
were you expecting them to win nine games?
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Well, then, yeah, it was expecting them to be competitive.
I thought TCU would win the game. I told Jmack this.
I thought tc would win eighteen starters, better staff.
Speaker 5 (19:44):
But but don't you get what I'm trying to say.
If you think they were going to be competitive with TCU,
then then you're telling me that you expect them to
win nine games this year. I think that that's an
outlandish expectation for what they're what they are, by the way,
I don't think this is not Dion by the way,
in his first year, who had Shador and Travis Hunter
and they had real talent. They're trying to build this
from scratch. So I'm just gonna I'm gonna wait and
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see for THEE. Belichick.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
I don't think I'm unfair when I bring up you know,
Belichick's got kids in Labardey's cap.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
This is why I'm not being fair.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
I've seen general managers in the NFL not allow their coaches.
John Snyder had a problem with Pete Carroll and his son.
He didn't want him, he didn't want him as a scout.
Pete put him on the staff. That was a fissure
in the relationship years ago of Marty Schottenheimer wanted to
put his son on and I think the GM was
Aj Smith. I don't think i'm taking a shot here.
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When you when you start putting your kids on the staff,
sometimes it works. Owners and GM's are very reluctant to
do that. They fair, But I think I'm being totally
fair on that. I think that's fair.
Speaker 5 (20:47):
I just am I'm not gonna throw dirt on this
one yet, because again I think that this was a
perfect storm of the wrong opponent at the wrong time
for this team. This team is likely to be the
team that develops the most from Week one to Week six.
Or seven in this season and so and again with
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that schedule. If you were expecting them to look competent
and being a close game in a competitive game, that
means you're telling me that they were going to win
nine games. I just don't think that it was that roster,
all right. I mean you walked me into that a
few years ago. I remember I said Nick Saban. I
was like, Alabama's got a Nick Saban problem. I'm not
going to do that to Bill. Let me ask you this,
I'm not going to do it. I you remember that,
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You remember that. I still hear about the Bama fans
still still bring that up. How you doing now, Bama?
Speaker 1 (21:38):
If I yeah, Bam, I zip it. Let me tell
you something. I get into this discussion. Who did I
Who was I talking to about this?
Speaker 5 (21:48):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (21:48):
My buddy?
Speaker 1 (21:48):
John Middlecoff said, the South is different. The intensity of
SEC football is different even than Big ten. And they
love Big ten football. But in what way crowd environment
or or I mean it is in Chicago they love
Big ten football. They talk Cubs, they talk Bears. In
the South, there is fans I'm talking about. There is
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one topic in the South for twelve months, it's SEC football.
Speaker 5 (22:12):
No, I agree with that, and it is.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
They judge recruiting. That is that is twelve days of
sports talk the columnists. Is Kleen de Boar potentially the
wrong personality fit? In fact, maybe when there was a
story out this two weeks ago that when people went
to that Washington team with Pennix and they went and
they and they kind of scouted the staff, everybody said, boy,
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you got a made here. There's no pressure and Washington
loves their football. Yeah, I've wought Jim mcelwaine, a friend
of mine, goes down to Florida, Urban Meyer, physically worn
out at Florida, goes get me up North. I don't
know if Kalen de Boar is built for Bama in
the SEC. And I think Bama, even more than Georgia,
is the pressure cooker.
Speaker 5 (22:57):
I think Klin is an excellent coaches record for itself.
I agree to your point about fit. I think that
there there could be something to that because it is
a different animal and in particular there and more specifically
with with who he's replacing. Right, I mean, this is
this is a no win for Kaitlin de Boor. That
being said, here's the alarming part about what happened on
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Saturday is that Alabama rolled out there. It's not like
they turned it over five or six times and ended
up getting beat.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
In the ball.
Speaker 5 (23:26):
They were the They were the team that got beat physically,
they got beat schematically. They were the team that got
beat by speed. They were the slower team. And here's
the one that that really shocked me. Where was the effort.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
There's some there's some pieces of video out there that
are alarming.
Speaker 5 (23:46):
For sixteen years, that team had a top three or
four roster in the sport, and they played with a
sense of urgency that was unlike any other team. They
they played like their life depended on it, like they
were like their next breath of air depended on their effort.
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Part of that was the competition built into the roster
because they knew if they didn't do that, the kid
behind him was just as good and would take their spot.
And the other part of that was the level of
expectation surrounding practice and preparation for the week. Here's where
I think that Nick Saban and Kaylin de Board differ
the most is the urgency during the week. I think
Kaylin approaches it a little bit more West Coast NFL style. Hey,
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take care of your business. We trust our plan, we
trust our quality players. Let's go out there and put
it on display. And when he's got experienced guys in
a quality offensive line like he had with Washington and Pinnix,
with Roma Dunze on the outside and those quality players, man,
it's beautiful and it works really, really well. Now when
he doesn't have that, and the offensive line, which is
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supposed to be good, starts getting decimated and a young
quarterback that doesn't have the confidence is running for his life.
Plus the game plan is wrong. Did you know that
Ryan Williams spent ninety percent of his snaps in the
slot last year was twenty percent of his snaps. He
is an outside receiver and a beautiful outside receiver when
he's in space, operating in one.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
Talent receiver in the country after Jeremiah Smith.
Speaker 5 (25:14):
I totally agree with that. And they were putting him
in the slot. And he's not a slot guy, all right.
He's not Tyreek in the slot or Jackson Smith and
Jigba in the slot. Where he's his game is about
shiftiness and short area quickness. He's also not a guy
like Jeremiah Smith. Who's six four two and twenty pounds,
who can go across the middle, and he's not going
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to get punished by safeties. No, no, No, He's a guy
that doesn't have that short area quickness. He's a fluid,
straight line, beautiful route runner, wide receiver, and he was
getting punished by those safeties to the point that he
can't finish the game. So the game plan was wrong.
The offensive line was terrible, the young quarterback was overwhelmed.
Their effort was bad, they were out physicaled, their defense
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was bad. They couldn't stop the run. Where does Alabama go?
If I'm not panicked about Texas, I am panicked to
ten for Alabama because now, all of a sudden, that
Alabama team is just a shell of its former self.
By the way, I'm I'm gonna take Oklahoma over Michigan
this weekend.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Okay, yeah, I.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
Replacing Jim Harbaugh is difficult, and I certainly and we
have to be honest about this.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
I know we have.
Speaker 5 (26:23):
You're America's honesty broke.
Speaker 8 (26:24):
Well.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
I like this. I think most people view that as true.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
If you look at the history of Michigan and Notre
Dame or Michigan and Ohio State. And this gets people
all rankled up because they love me and ann Arbor,
I am one of them. Didn't go to the school
fly over it regularly, never went there. They loved me
and I have said Ohio State's the better football program.
Well yeah, yeah, Michigan's got the better medical center, it's
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got the better law school. Michigan the better, right, right,
But Ohio State is the only SEC team north.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
The fans, the talk, the relentlessness, the comet, Ohio is.
Speaker 5 (27:01):
More than that. Ohio State has never had a sustained dip,
you know, like they have been great for twenty five
or thirty.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
So I'm going to throw this out and this may
hurt one of the new guys that they hired on
your show in the afternoon. I think Ohio State's can
own this series for the next ten years. Well, it's
hard to say when they're owing four and they're life
not hard for this honesty broke, isn't it. Ohio State
is going to run that series for a decade.
Speaker 5 (27:25):
Okay, I mean Michigan would beg to differ at this point.
Here's the thing that with this week's game for Michigan
is let's go back to where we started this entire conversation.
What's the one thing that we overlooked with arch Manning.
Playing on the road in a difficult environment for the
first time is incredibly hard. You don't know what you
don't know as a young quarterback. I can tell you
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from firsthand. I remember vividly my first start on the road.
It was at Kansas State in two thousand and three,
and that was a Kansas State team coached by Bill
Snyder that would go on to win the Big Twelve.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
And how'd you do?
Speaker 5 (27:56):
We lost?
Speaker 2 (27:57):
And how do you do?
Speaker 5 (27:58):
I did not play well and I did a lot
of things that were uncharacteristic. I set three formations wrong.
I went the wrong way on a run play, just
because you're you're dealing with emotions and you're dealing with
things and adrenaline that you've never dealt with before on
the football field. And that's something that Bryce Underwood is
going to have to deal with this week when he
goes to Oklahoma, and that environment is going to be outstanding. Plus,
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he's not going to see some vanilla New Mexico defense.
He's going to see Brent Finnable's defense on the other side,
which is aggressive, they'll change their looks. They get the
call in late. It's not going to be clean pictures.
So if Michigan can't just run the football at Oklahoma,
then it could be difficult. Because I do know one
thing about Michigan's offensive line. They're elite run blockers, average
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pass blockers. If they fall behind at all and venables
in that crowd and that pressure starts getting ratchet up,
then Bryce Underwood might be under a lot of dress
come Saturday night.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
By the way, I'm Underwood's great. I do I know
now that the kid at USC, the freshman, he looks
good too. Yeah, he's good. I'm not down to play.
It was a school Missouri. It doesn't have a rich history,
but is on their way.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
It was it. It was you know, you didn't ask
me about my first start.
Speaker 5 (29:12):
Oh I'm sorry, Colin, what was your first start?
Speaker 1 (29:14):
I didn't play college, Okay, I was already becoming a
beacon of honesty as a broadcaster at Eastern Washing That's right. Yeah,
there were opportunities, but I chose broadcasting well and you
eventually you chose correctly. We ended up at the same place.
Speaker 5 (29:28):
Yes, yes, we did well, and you're you're on the throne.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
New set.
Speaker 5 (29:33):
This is a beautiful set.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
It really is.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
It's it's a lot, it's a it's a it's a
lot of management.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
It's a lot of a lot of pressure, a lot
of man And I'm like arch Manning, I'm hitting the layup.
Speaker 5 (29:44):
So far you are your experience about your first rodeo.
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Speaker 1 (30:28):
Okay, by the way, I have some information I can't
give you and some that I can you know, J Max.
Sometimes when you're in this position of authority in America,
you get information. You can't tell the audience everything, but
I will tell you. We just discovered the rating for
the Texas Ohio State college football game. I cannot give
you the rating it.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
I cannot believe the number.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
It is the most washed Week one game in the
history of college football. And this is why I was
such a proponent of the playoff, as that you're gonna
get teams that say, I mean, by the way, both
these teams will probably be in the playoff, Notre Dame
in Miami, They'll both be in.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
The playoff, LSU Clemson. So it was an unbelieved week.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
Wait until you see the number they're rating this puppy
gout it is. I mean, I was blown away by it.
And so it's the most watched week and you had
to watch until the end because that Texas got that touchdown,
there was just enough time to make it interesting. I
do wonder what would have happened if Texas got the
touchdown on a tush push. Does that change? Does Ryan
(31:31):
Day get a little more aggressive in play calling once
they stopped him there? I kind of felt like, you know,
Ohio State kind of felt like, Okay, we dodged the
bullet there, We're good. But the wow, it is arguably well,
it's the best opening weekend in the history of college football.
Notre Dame Miami was incredible, LSU, Clemson great. I mean
(31:52):
the dud TCU even that one got me the mid
third quarter. Belichick's debut, but wow, going to tell you
it got like an NFL number.
Speaker 4 (32:03):
What do you think this does for Arch Manning? Are
we going to see him on TV every week now?
Because this is a lot of this had to do
with Arch Manning.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
No, I think Ohio State and Texas are two of
the top four brands in the sport.
Speaker 4 (32:13):
But I think the appetite to see this kid, what
has he got?
Speaker 2 (32:16):
He's a Manning.
Speaker 4 (32:16):
You know, we've seen him before, but this is his
show now. I think he's much watched must watch TV,
even with these three duds that he's.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
Got to Well, you know what, that's part of the
process of being a star quarterback. When people when people
came out and said, I can't believe Caleb Williams is
getting crushed because he painted his fingernails.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
If you're going to be the number one pick.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
And I remember when Baker Mayfield and Peter King said
I was too tough on Baker Mayfield. He's gonna be
the number one pick in the draft. He's a quarterback.
I'm gonna be tough on him. And by the way,
he always took it well. I mean we went back
and forth, but that's part of the process of being
if he's great, he is eligible to come out. He's
been in the program. I mean because he entered early
to the program. He was an early in roll league,
(32:57):
so he's already been there like three years. And he's
a Manning so I'm not worried about and he's a
smart kid.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
He can handle.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
I didn't love multiple ad campaigns. I did not love
that at all.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
But he's kind of like six million in Nio money.
I just didn't love that. I always thought Brady did
it right.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
I want to see production and trophies before I get
a bunch of ads. I think you're just but it's money,
and I get it. Brady was a pro. I mean,
Arch is a college kid making yeah, but he's the Manning.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
Kids are different.
Speaker 4 (33:26):
Do you do you think you're turning down six million
dollars if you're twenty one years old.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
No, I just think I just think the Mannings are different.
They live in a different space. Everything they touch on
money maybe well, I mean if you count Omaha Productions
and Eli's got a business Adelion Cooper's at cooper as
a business which is a fascinating business about hotels in
the South and on college campuses. That family all in
it's probably worth a billion dollars.
Speaker 4 (33:49):
You know, when you're a young kid, you want to
be your own man. Right, you leave home, you go
to college. I'm my own guy. I don't need my parents' money.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
Come on, well you're also a man, yeah, but I
would say you're a manning and stuff.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
You and I are like that.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
I think there are certain families in this country, like
I mean, I'm seriously about you know, this is not
analogous perfectly, but like the Rockefeller kids, or there are
certain East Coast families where you're part of a little
bit of a financial dynasty, or or you know, West
Coast families in entertainment.
Speaker 4 (34:21):
Ronnie James, right, I heard a lot of stories he
goes to USC and he was making tons of money
playing video games. He was like a gamer, and he like,
why are you playing video games till two in the morning?
Because I want to make my own money. That's the
stories people say that he was saying he wants to
make his own he doesn't want dad's money. Can't I
cannot knock cards for the money.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
I can knock givenocking him.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
I'm just saying it doesn't bother me that he's being criticized,
because that is Texas quarterbacks are under the spot. It's
Notre Dame quarterbacks. It's Yankee shortstops. It's one year with nil.
Here's the downside to all the soft cookie dough soft
sports writers that cover college football. Once you pay the
(35:01):
players they're professional, the criticism ramps up.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
I used to always be like.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
I'm not going to really harshly criticize a college quarterback
until he's eligible for the draft. You're making five large
as a sophomore at Texas, you're a pro. Carson Beck
was clean, Carson Beck is a pro athlete. It was
fair to rip in at Georgia.
Speaker 4 (35:22):
It's fair to praise him now and has changed everything.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
You're getting paid five million. You're making more than everybody
but the head coach on the staff. You can be criticized.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
Now you want to.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
Take the money, I'm for it, But this idea that
it's all the same. Now, basically, Lane Kiffin had it right.
Nil is free agency. That's what anil is. It's professional fore.
Speaker 4 (35:42):
Tennessee quarterback who left for Ucla. That was free agency.
That was in the spring. He just bolted Tennessee to Ucla.
Stinks up the joint. Hey Nico, come on bro, all right,
why have an la answer Hurd?
Speaker 6 (35:55):
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Speaker 2 (36:06):
Wait until you.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
See that number, that rating for Ohio State, Texas, America.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
So is it older? Is it a larger number than
my age? You know, I just I can rent a car.
It would be a super Bowl. I'm kidding.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
I'm just saying. I don't spend a ton of time
worrying about that. But I when I guessed the number,
and I was way off. I mean, just the pregame shows,
Big Noon and game day combine massive numbers, so the
audiences are just exploding everywhere. For college football, it's a buye.
There's certain sports like I like the MLS, but once
(36:43):
they went to Apple, there's no casual viewers. They don't
pop up on my feed. Like that's not a buy anymore.
I think college football is a BUYE. Jmack with a
news No, No.
Speaker 4 (36:55):
This is the herdline news Steelers Jets Week one.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
Justin Fields.
Speaker 4 (37:02):
Hey, he hears the media talking about the revenge angle,
but he says, hey, man, this is just another football game.
Speaker 7 (37:09):
The storyline's crazy. I mean, that's that's why the NFL
said us up for Week one just for that. But
I mean, yeah, it's cool. Could to you know, kind
of see that and you know it's gonna be fun,
you know, going to Agains see the guys on Sunday.
So I'm a big believer and everything happens for a reason.
Like I said, I was in a spot last year
where I was able to see the game from a
different perspective. I learned a lot, thank you know, Russ
(37:30):
and just just all the other vests there, so not
at all.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
I kind of like the Jets or put Sauce Gardner,
put him on DK Metcalf, take him out of the game,
and put some pressure with that defensive front on the
old Aaron Rodgers Field is remember Fields went four and
two with the Steelers. Yeah, if you extrapolate those numbers out,
he would have been a borderline Pro Bowl quarterback in
the NFC, but.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
He was in the AFC with the Jets or Steamers.
Speaker 4 (37:53):
The crummy Jets news is avt Vera Tucker, the kid
from USC, excellent offensive and hurdle multiple this shirt a lot.
Sounds like he might be out for the season with
the torn Pack. He's getting his second opinion. I don't
want to speak any more of it.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
Let's move on. Uh, let's go to the Lions.
Speaker 4 (38:08):
Colin, Ben Johnson and Aaron Glenn depart Detroit. Everybody's worried.
Jared Goff says, hey man, we're gonna be fine. Ahead
of the matchup against Micah Parsons and the Packers.
Speaker 8 (38:20):
Bigas been wrong before, right, you know who knows? We'll
see I think, yeah, they're a good team, they added
a good player, and we're all zero and zero. It's
confusing because I don't even know where where do we
stand externally. I don't know what people you know, and
I don't really care, but like, are we supposed to
be good?
Speaker 5 (38:36):
Are we supposed to be bad.
Speaker 8 (38:37):
Are we all these different storylines and so we don't.
You can't ride that roller coaster.
Speaker 5 (38:41):
And we don't.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
Yeah, I you know, the Green Bay Packers, We're all
still asking the same question. Is Jordan Love really good?
And I don't think anybody knows the answer.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
I don't. I think.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
I think he's tall, moves well with a whip for
an arm, and I like the way he plays more
far than Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
He'll throw picks, he doesn't care.
Speaker 1 (39:02):
He's got a little Andrew loking a little far if
he can be a little reckless, but he doesn't care.
He just stands back there with a lot of confidence
and lets it go.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
I like him.
Speaker 1 (39:10):
But at the end of last year, probably hurt didn't
play particularly well.
Speaker 4 (39:14):
Yeah, and the little surprise Packers are savored by Moore.
I thought they'd be at least three year at home.
One of my favorite games.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
I like Green Bay. We'd be talking about that game
eight a lot. Green Bay is one of my favorite
picks of the week.
Speaker 4 (39:25):
On Friday, final story Collins a college football Now, I
want to save some time for this LSU Clemson was crazy.
So Clemson did well in the first quarter and a
half and then LSU took over and Clemson was inept.
So afterward, Dabo Sweeney and Brian Kelly traded Barbes in
the postgame presser.
Speaker 2 (39:42):
You need to listen to this.
Speaker 3 (39:45):
Down the last play right out of the gate. It's
like getting the final exam Day one a class. They
made a sixty five, We made a fifty eight. NY
one of us were great.
Speaker 10 (39:57):
I thought we dominated him in the second half. So
he's either a really good greater for you know, giving
himself a fifty eight, or he's a really hard greater
on us, or he didn't see the second half, which
that might be the case.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
He might not have wanted to see the second half. Woo.
Brian Kelly talking tough.
Speaker 1 (40:18):
Well, I mean I thought LSU was clearly the better team.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
Second half, Dominos waiting up halftime. Adjustments are big in sports.
Are you going to the locker room?
Speaker 4 (40:26):
You make adjustments, and LSU dominated the second half.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
Nusmeyer made every throw club. Maybe Brian Kelly's right.
Speaker 1 (40:33):
People may think that's, you know, kind of jerky, but
I think he's right.
Speaker 4 (40:36):
Well, there was some is Brian Kelly on the hot
seat under the buyouts expensive, but he was catching some
heat in the preseason. Are they good and they go
into Clemson that's a great and totally control the second half.
He's not wrong. LSU was the better team.
Speaker 1 (40:50):
Garrettnssmeyer may have had the best weekend of every quarterback
to go on the road. The prospect I thought Garrett
Nusmeyer played. That's again I know experience, but that's a
tough environment you going as an underdog. I mean they
were I don't know what the line was was. It
was like Clemson was favored by more than a few.
Speaker 4 (41:09):
Bruce Feldman coming on the show, he's all in on
Clemson saying they're great.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
I didn't see it, Colin. I didn't see any greatness
with Glutson.
Speaker 4 (41:17):
No.
Speaker 2 (41:18):
Jmax with the news, Well that's the news, and thanks
for stopping by the.
Speaker 6 (41:23):
Herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (41:25):
I'm going to talk you into taking Harbaugh and the points,
which one ravens or forty nine ers. Baltimore's got a
better roster than Buffalo.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
At a way to spend my money than I think.
Speaker 1 (41:37):
I like Jose Harbaugh's this weekend Our three News
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