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Welcome back. It is Wednesday, Joe Klatt less than five minutes.
It's The Herd. Wherever you may be, however you may
be listening. Thanks for making us part of your day.
Tom Brady stopping by to so tomorrow. You know, it
was really funny listening So in Chicago. I said this
all summer when I would listen to radio, it was Cubs,
Tom Ricketts, Cubs, a well run organization in the city,
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and it was Bear's talk. And obviously Caleb played a
pretty good first half and not a very good second
half and they lost at home to Minnesota. By the way,
Minnesota was favored. Minnesota's got a proven coach, Minnesota has
a better defense, Minnesota has a better organization. Minnesota, in
my opinion, has a better front office. Minnesota was favored.
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It was my sixth favorite bet of the week was Minnesota.
In my blazing five win three and two. The game
I went down to the last second with the staff
was Minnesota. I like Minnesota, and I didn't know what
JJ McCarthy would look look like. But I just think organizationally,
Minnesota has been good for a long time. They're like
Kansas City pre post Mahomes. Kansas City has been well
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run forever by the Hunt family, and Minnesota has been
pretty well run forever. It's just the Packers have probably
been better run, and so they and they've got you know, Lombardis,
so they get more credit and they're a bigger iconic
brand in America. But you know, it's it's interesting. There
was a caller apparently, I think it was a radio
show in Chicago that called and he said on the air.
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I didn't hear it, but I read about it was funny.
He said, you know what we need his new media
because you guys keep hyping up quarterbacks and you guys
kept in the media keep disappointing me. Well, let me
give you a heads up on that. NFL general managers
who make seven figures hit on first round quarterbacks at
about a fifty percent clip and they're paid to do it.
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Why it's hard. So much of quarterback success is tied
to variables and the coach and the circumstances. It is
not a small note that Josh Allen was drafted by
a Buffalo team that had made the playoffs the year
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before without him, and Mahomes went tenth to Andy Reid,
and Lamar Jackson was the thirty second pick, falling to
a team that had the last pick in the first round.
And oh, by the way, JJ McCarthy was the fifth
quarterback taken to the Stable Vikings. Bo Nicks was the
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sixth quarterback taken by Sean Payton. Aaron Rodgers drops to
the Stable Packers, who had Brett Farr. Dan Marino drops
to the winningest coach ever, Don Shula. This is not
a coincidence that so many number one picks have failed
because they go to lousy gms and lowsy owners and
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cheap organizations. So people are freaking out about Caleb Williams
say is, I don't know if it's gonna work, but
last year, I mean, look, he was on a third coach.
You think it's an advantage for Mahomes to go to
Andy Reid in the Hunt family and Baker Mayfield goes
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Hugh Jackson to the Browns now Baker eventually because he's
a really talented guy that works very hard, found his footing.
He even got to the playoffs. I won a playoff game
in Cleveland. But it's it's not you know, parenting's not fair,
and this isn't fair. Where you land matters. So I
have said before the season started, I said, Caleb will
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be the best version of Caleb. I don't know what
that looks like, but this is fair, not perfect. It's
still the same owners the GM that I'm hot and
cold on. They can never develop an offensive line consisty.
But I think Ben Johnson will make Caleb the best
Caleb can be as a pro quarterback. And that's all
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you can ask for.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
With that.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
Joel Klatt now joining US Live, you know, I will
say the criticism Joel of Caleb at USC from the
NFL people I talked to was, you know, his accuracy
is a little bit all over the map because his
feet are all over the map. As somebody that played
the position in college, your interpretation of some of his
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I mean some of his stuff was like layups and
he missed it badly. What did you see? Yeah, I mean,
I do think it's a footwork problem. And one of
the things at USC was rarely was the ball out
on time. And when you get to the NFL level,
everything comes down to timing and spacing or is the
ball on target and on time? And he can struggle
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with that because he has this belief in himself that
he's going to make the play with his athleticism, which
does show up by the way, still he still ran
for a touchdown and can elude the rush and get
himself in a position to go and make a play.
But Colin, the more concerning part is that when he
is in the pocket and he does have time, the
constant missing high or being just a little bit late.
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That has to improve. Now, I do think it's unfair
to grade him with a final evaluation in his very
first opportunity to play in a Ben Johnson offense. I
think you would agree with me on that. I don't
know what it's going to look like during the course
of the year. I would agree with you. I think
it's going to be the best version of whatever he
can be. But it's pretty clear to me that he's
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got to become a much better quarterback when it relates
to the timing and accuracy with which he plays in
the pocket, because at that level, your athleticism has to
be in second position has to be all right. Even Mahomes,
he controls the game first from the pocket and then
he wows us with his athleticism outside. That's what all
the great athletic quarterbacks have always been able to do,
is control the game from the pocket first. You know,
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as long as we're on that game. You did a
bunch of JJ McCarthy games, and at the college level,
he wasn't asked to carry a team. He had leads,
he had the best coach. So my concern was historically
when you come from a more comfortable position in college,
it's harder because that's not the NFL. It is you
practice is hard. He was almost terrified in the first
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three quarters, and then he hit a big Justin Jefferson
completion in the fourth quarter and it kind of changed
his confidence. And I said, you know what I saw,
I saw Baker Mayfield. Baker always played better. He was
at like a streaky shooter in basketball. If Baker hit
a big play, I was like, Okay, Baker's Chess came out,
Here's Velocity went out, and I said, God, is JJ
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McCarthy a little bit of a baker comp Yeah? I
mean your cake on just that opinion. Yeah, I mean
I like it. I really like it. They both share
the uncommon self belief that I think all great players
have to have, maybe if others don't even share it
that are around them. The other part of it is
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is that they have this competitive streak where it's like
they just need a scoreboard and a score and it
doesn't matter what the competition is, right, it could be
pick a ball, it could be what this happens to
be a Monday night football game, and it's like they
rise to the occasion in those moments. And that's certainly
what JJ was able to do in college, and that's
what we saw him do on Monday Night. Here's one
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thing that I would just point to that I think
if I'm Kevin O'Connell, I would go back and take
a look at this Michigan generally, and I used to
talk to Cheron Moore about this when he was the
play caller for Michigan. As JJ was maturing and becoming
the quarterback that we now see. They would get him
a completion early that was almost like a shooter going
to the foul line early in the game. Calling it
was just seeing the ball go through the hoop one time,
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getting that one completion where the ball comes off of
your hand and you're like, okay, I've got the timing,
I can see it, I've got the spacing. And then
once that happens, because you nailed it once he had
that completion to Jefferson. I believe it was on the
left side, a little play action pass. He's in rhythm,
he hits it, and he was a totally different player
after that. If you go back to those Michigan games,
almost every single opening series, within the first three snaps
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of the entire game, it wasn't a big shot down
the field. It was actually an easy completion like a
free throw that started to get JJ in rhythm. I
think if Minnesota started to utilize that type of strategy
rather than just run the football like they did early
in that game, they would get him in a rhythm
much sooner. So listen, when you have to replace a legend,
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coaching is so vital in college football, not that it
doesn't matter in pro football, but the pro football starts
with the quarterback, and often the GM is really important,
like Philly Howie Roseman. But in college, the coach recruits
the players. He's the coach and the GM, and replacing
Jim Harbaugh is no easy task. I thought Bryce Underwood,
I think he's really good, like I think he's really
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looks different. But I got to tell you, when I
watch Michigan the first couple of weeks, I don't I
don't see it. I feel like they're not quite now.
Give Oklahoma credit, materiir they found their quarterback. I think
they've got a lot of junior seniors on defense. Oklahoma,
there's a good Oklahoma team. We thought they would win.
Michigan doesn't quite feel the same Joel to me, you
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know him better than I do. It doesn't quite feel
the same. Perimeter wise, nobody scares you on that offense.
So I think both things can be true. And you
touched on this, so I'll give you credit on this.
Is that in Oklahoma fans they're you know, you got
to give the Sooners credit, and it's like, okay, okay,
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both can be true. I think that Michigan can be
struggling with their identity. On one hand, and on the
other hand, Oklahoma played great. I think both of those
things can equally be true. Now if you just were
to focus on the identity piece from the Michigan perspective,
here's what I see. I see a new offensive coordinator
in Chip Lindsay that has majored in more of a spread,
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albeit even finesse style attack in his career as a
college football coach. And now he comes in. And yet
what Cheron Moore really wants to retain from the been
Jim Harbaugh days is this physical mindset and philosophy that
they're going to run the football. And the two have
not gelled. Called down, they have not geled. Now can
it happen? Well maybe maybe is the question, but we
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haven't seen it yet. And I thought that the game
plan was not very good from Michigan. Way too much
side to side. And then here's a little inside football.
And I know we don't have film to show this,
but I should have given it to you guys. Way
too many condensed sets from the offense for Michigan. So
when you condense your formation, what does the defense do?
It condenses and immediately the safeties are going to be
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closer to the line of scrimmage. The corners are going
to be closer, so the support players and all the
players that you cannot account for in the run blocking
scheme are closer to the line of scrimmage. So it
becomes so much more difficult to just run the football
straight ahead when you're out of a condensed set.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
Ye.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Now, what Michigan did do well is they added extra
linement at time and they would bring on a sixth
and seventh extra offensive lineman. Now that's better than just
condensing your skill position players down. And the reason is
is because you're adding extra gaps. And then that's when
they finally broke off that long run coming out of halftime,
is that they had a extra offensive lineman and now
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Oklahoma didn't adjust and there was a gap free and
they bust a long run. So they're going to learn
from that. Here's what I would encourage Michigan to do,
as if I'm a coach. Condense the set in order
to throw the football. That way, you bring the defense
closer to the line of scrimmage. Now take your shots
and try to run right past them, and then to
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run the football. Make the look and the structure of
the defense more clear by spreading out. So if Chip
Lindsay wants to actually spread out a little bit and
then run power football with his five offensive lining up front,
I think that would help them. It would define the
look for the quarterback, It would help those offensive linemen
up front. But they certainly have an identity issue. And
I just want to say again, that doesn't mean Oklahoma
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didn't play great. Oklahoma played great, and I'm a believer
in Oklahoma moving forward. Live. Yeah, great quarterback, a coach
that's been in the sport a lot, and juniors and
seniors all over the defense. Oklahoma's good. It's a good team. Okay.
So I always believe what I'm about to say to
be true is that people out East are built different
than people out west. Out West, the weather's better. We
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don't get a lot of snow, we don't get a
lot of hail out East. I remember when I was
a kid, Big East basketball was not only better than
the Pac twelve, it was so much more intimidating and
physical because there is And by the way, when Jay
Wright was building Villanova, he would go to the DMV.
He'd get tough kids. Their dad were cops. It is
that let's be honest out out East, yet a bagel
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with cream cheese out West, they scoop out the carbs
in the bagel. I'm sorry, it's the green plate theory.
And so I watched you. By the way, I'm sitting
here with like a Southern California ten thinking to myself,
yes I'm soft calling. It gets below fifty five degrees
and I'm like, I can't handle this anymore. So what
you're saying is absolutely true at the detriment of my
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own personality. So one of my knocks on USC has
always been Pete Carroll understood this. So practices with Pete
Carroll were intense, like uncomfortable. The program has been soft.
I watched it doesn't mean they lack skill under Lane
or Sark or so. I watched USC this past weekend.
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I went to the game. They're fast, they're clever, there's direction,
they're twitchy. It is total Lincoln Riley like, there are
it is. You can't guess to play all sorts of movement.
And I walked out of the stadium and a USC
fan came up. He said, what do you think. I said, yeah,
I've seen that before. You can't you can't go on
the road in crappy weather in the Big ten and
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win because you're out Cleveringham. See, I think I would
disagree with you, though not in your sense that you
can't just finesse teams to death. But and I apologize
for you're not finishing your point. But I think I
I think USC is actually more in the right blueprint
of what they need to do to win. Let me explain.
Let me explain this to you because I think that
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I think that you'll like this a lot. Calm and
then take this to heart. If you look at the
way that Lincoln Riley won at Oklahoma, it was a
very specific blueprint. Okay, So if you take his head
coaching years at Oklahoma and you take that as as
a chunk, and you take all of college football, Oklahoma
was number one in the country and average average yards
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per rush. You wouldn't think that, would you, But they were.
And that was always the issue at USC is that
they never ran the ball as effectively as what Lincoln
did when he was at Oklahoma. That's what allowed Baker
to be Baker, and Kyler to be Kyler, and Jalen
Hurts and so on and so forth. And now guess
where USC six after two games, number one in the
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country in rush yards per attempt. Now, the brilliance of
Riley is that he married that with a passing game
that was also elite at Oklahoma. In fact, Baker Mayfield
finished third in the country throwing the football his last
year and en route to a Heisman Championship or Heisman Trophy.
Guess where Mayaba is right now, third in the country.
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So I would actually argue that this is the blueprint.
This is the Riley blueprint for how you win. They
ran it better Caleb's first year than they did his
second year, and then they leaned too heavily on the pass.
They can run the football well this wayman, Jordan guy
can run it. He's the JUCO National Player of the year.
He comes in. He's been really good at running back.
I'm actually bullish on USC. I think it's one of
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the more underrated teams in the country. They lost close
games a year ago, and I think they're going to
surprise the people over the next few weeks. By the way,
Sark got a little edgy, so we were saying it
this week. Jmak disagreed with me. But football is a
sport where guys wins all the time. Nobody plays clean
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college football, high school football. As I was throwing darts
all over the field in high school football, I would
wins occasionally because of the level of violence of football, right,
you remember those days. So my point is arch Manning
during the game for Texas wins and one of the
reporters asked, Sark, he's like he looked uncomfortable. And if
I was Sark, instead of getting defensive, I would have said,
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it's football, like my players are uncomfortable all the time.
But I did feel like the press conference was Sark.
It got a little edgy and didn't need to. And
I'm asking you, do you feel the pressure at Texas
this year? I do watching Sark, I feel that Sark
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feel the donors. There's a lot of you know, you
look at well, here's the Sark said, I'm gonna play
it for you. This, this, to me, didn't need to
happen here it is.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
Arch Manning seemed to be having some throwing pains by.
Speaker 4 (17:25):
The According to who arch Arch said that to you, No, oh,
according to who, it just looked like he was he
doesn't have any that is there an explanation to why
he was It looked like that.
Speaker 5 (17:37):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (17:38):
I've never filed I've never filmed any of you guys
when you're using the bathroom, so I don't know what
faces you make when you're doing.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
That odd whatever. Uh. I guess my point is Texas
is a pressure cooker. Yeah, yeah, like like And I
had a coach telling me this one time. He said, like,
the hardest place to play is with an impulsive owner
in the NFL. The second hardest place is Texas, like
mac Brown had to massage those donors every day. What
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do you make a sark the pressure in art. I
think that what you saw there was was Sark being protective.
I think that what you see is a culmination of
an off season of pressure and expectation being heaped on
a guy that hadn't really been a full time starter yet,
and his coach is trying to defend him. I think
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he got defensive, and he's trying to defend his player
and this kid who is still a kid and is
still young in his career and trying to develop. Your
point about win saying, I agree with now, I think
what makes it more worrisome is that he's win saying
while not throwing the football very accurately, and theirs speculation
of why is his arm angled down and what's going on?
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Is he is he hurt? So there's wild speculation, and
I think that Sark sees that. And to your point
about pressure cooker, it's certainly a pressurized a place to
coach and more specifically play. I would make the argument
that the two hardest positions to play in college football
are quarterback at Texas and quarterback at Ohio State, and
Arch is in that. And then you throw his last
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name and the expectations, and I think you see the
defensiveness of a coach trying to defend a quarterback that
is not reaching the expectations that have been shoveled on
him by the outside. Whether he liked it or not,
and whether you like the answer or not, I like
it if I'm Arch, and I think that's the point.
The point wasn't for the reporter, it wasn't for anyone
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else other than Arch. It was like it was basically
like saying, hey kid, I got your back no matter what,
and we're going to do this together. And so for
that purpose, I actually liked it. As a former quarterback,
if my coach would have said something like that, and
you know, take the head off of a reporter and
I'd be like, all right, now, I've got a guy
in the Foxhoul with me, and so from Arch's perspective,
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I'm sure he appreciated it. That's a good answer there, Klatt, Oh,
I appreciate that you did a pretty bringing the heat.
I'm bringing the heat. I'm you know, how are you doing?
Oh good, I'm looking at your top ten. I don't
have any problems with it. I mean you shouldn't. You shouldn't.
You know. The team that I think is really good
who Oregon? Well, they're always good, yeah, I know, but
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like they're different this year. So I'm preparing for the
Northwestern game this week, Oregon at Northwestern. I'm watching all
their film, and you know what stood out to me,
I'm like, that's that's it. That's what it's supposed to
look like. I know that they're always good, and they're
always fast, and they're a good team. This is a
team that's constructed that could be a great team. I
think Dante More is a step up from Bo Knicks
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and Dylan Gabriel, both draft picks, both really good players.
I think that their defense is a step up in
the way that it's constructed. They've got massive players on
the interior of their defensive line and really ferocious players
on the edge, good hybrid players in the back two levels.
When I turn on Oregon, I see the best team
in the country and I'm just I'm just saying right
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now that that looks like a team that could they
could win it all this year. You know, it is remarkable.
And maybe I say this pridefully because I worked in
the state of Oregon. It is unbelievable that a state
that has maybe three elite high school football players a year.
I mean, that's it. It's up tucked up in the
corner that you know. They don't have one hundred thousand
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seat stadium. They have a very very wealthy donor who's
all into their track team, their basketball. It's not just football.
But it is remarkable. In this country. Generally, the great
programs Georgia or you know, a Texas or a usc
or Ohio state you come from these rich recruiting grounds.
I always think that about Oregon. It is unbelievable. If
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I'd have said, you know, thirty years ago, you're not
going to believe this. Oregon may be the third best
program in the country, and I feel the same way.
Are you going to Austin at all this year? Do
you have an Austin game? I don't know if we'll
go to Austin, but I think that we'll have them
on the road. Remember the with the noon time slot,
it's tough to get them to kick at nine Ie.
They don't do it, No, and they don't need to
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they you know, I mean, Oregon football is something else.
I agree with you, though, I agree with you, and
by the way, they've overcome that that lack of natural
recruiting base by creating a brand and an attractiveness that
everyone around the country wants to be a part of.
And I think Dan Lanning is a big part of that.
And obviously the way that they've branded themselves over the
last couple of decades. I just I believe that of
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the teams that haven't won a national championship and you
wouldn't consider to be historical blue bloods, they're clearly the
next team. They're clearly the next team in line to
potentially win something. If you told me the last ten years,
and I'm counting everything, marketing, wins Bowl games, coaching, decision
making talent. If you said best programs in the country,
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and again a lot of it's just saban, you'd go
Alabama Ohio State, and current momentum matters too, Alabama Ohio State.
They're in an argument for third because class should be Georgia,
maybe you know, Clemson, kind of maybe Michigan with their
national championship, and then Oregon is right in there. But
Clemson didn't have the nil or the current trajectory, and
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so I mean I would put Oregon ahead of Clemson
simply because of Phil Knight, the trajectory, the recruiting prowess.
Oregon recruits better than Clemson on those rival ratings every year.
But I mean, it's amazing when you look at the
top five programs Oregon has to be in that they're
in that. Absolutely, I think that they're really good. They
are better than what they have been. They were the
number one team in the country and undefeated at beaten
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Ohio State, beaten Penn State last year, and they ran
into Jeremiah Smith and the Death Star Supernova in the
Rose Bowl, right, I mean, like that's a bad break
for them. This is a better version. I'm just telling you,
they're really good. Joe Klagg can't seen anybody. You as
well have a great day, dude. By the way, Micah
Parsons is talking and the packers are talking about Micah Parsons.
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This is the Herdline news, all right, Collin, big revenge
game Ben Johnson against Detroit, very familiar foes. Ben Johnson
obviously left Detroit to go to coach at Chicago and
the Bears travel to the Lions.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
Colin, I have two bets of the account. This is
one of them. I love this game.
Speaker 7 (25:24):
Dan Campbell talking about how it's a must win since
both teams lost their opener.
Speaker 5 (25:30):
Ben's my friend. He's always going to be my friend,
you know. But but nothing about that's going to change.
You know, we're going in getting ready to play Chicago.
We're gonna win this game, you know, we have to.
We got to find a way to clean things up
and do what we gotta do. And they're going to
try to do the same thing.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
So you like Detroit a lot in this game, despite
the coordinator snaffoos.
Speaker 7 (25:58):
Yes, there's some stuff. We'll get into it later in
the week. I don't want to give away all my picks.
I am just curious, like you, start looking at the
I saw a stat here the Minnesota Vikings had the
most pressures in the NFL in Week one, they had thirty.
So Flora's in the second half was like, we're dialing
up the blitz. Caleb Ain reading anything? You don't think
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Detroit's well aware that Chicago on a short week is
not going to have a lot of time to adjust.
And did you see the Chicago secondary got cooked by
McCarthy and they were already down some guys injuries ravaging
that group. Detroit better wide receiver unit, a lot scarier
with golf. I think the Lions might open a can
on them this weekend, all right, no agreement.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
I think those division games are always pretty I don't
think Detroit can open up a can right now on anybody.
I think they've got issues internally, so they're still rebuilding
the old line, you know, at home. Humiliated in Week one.
You know, the one rule I have is when teams
with competent quarterback play get humiliate and competent coaching, they
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almost always the following week played great. Chicago did not
get humiliated. They lost. Detroit in Green Bay was humiliated.
So Detroit's the Detroit's going to win this game. I
believe I just five and a half's a lot for
division game fair?
Speaker 7 (27:20):
Does that a ply to Miami and New England as well?
Or does two and not competent in your book?
Speaker 1 (27:27):
I don't know if the coaching is.
Speaker 7 (27:29):
Oo shots fired. Boy, there's a bolted war material out here. Coaches,
Let's move on to the Houston Texans colin Big game
on Monday.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
Love this one as well. I'm on it now. Yesterday
C J.
Speaker 7 (27:41):
Stroud called out teammates for lollygagging and if you thought
that was maybe too harsh, his head coach Tamiko Ryans
echoed that sentiment yesterday.
Speaker 8 (27:50):
It's never an entire group, that's the one thing about it.
So they're individuals that have their have their moments throughout
the week, and the lollygagging it's a term everybody want
to use.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
Now, we got to get out with some urgency.
Speaker 8 (28:04):
So the urgency piece from everybody has to pick up
from the offensive side of the ball. Right, the urgency
picks up and we'll be able to operate cleaner.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
I actually I think this is an interesting play. You
could argue the Bucks could have easily lost. They won barely,
but I think the Texans similarly, if not by a
great play by a Ram interior linebacker Houston was going
on to win the game and take the lead. And
I think that Rams defense got it was the best
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defense in the league, arguably in the last five weeks
of last year. They don't get penalized. They're young, they're athletic,
they have a pass rush. They have not missed on
defensive draft picks in several years with the Rams. I
think the Texans. I think the Rams defense is going
to make a lot of teams. Yeah, look like Houston
looked in Week one. I think they're gonna I mean
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they held Jalen Hurts. The last time Jalen Hurts struggled
was against the Rams at home. He had sixty yards passing.
I think Heughston. Teams that play the Rams bet them
the next week because they're better than they look, especially
early in the season in week one, you're not a
well oiled tuned machine. I like the Texans this week.
Speaker 7 (29:20):
Total agreement Colin just a quick stat I saw for
my buddy. So the Bucks last week against the Falcons
gave up one hundred and ninety one yards after the catch,
most by a mile in the league. Houston is going
to take big advantage of that. Nico Collins, the young
kid Higgins. They have some guys who can scoot on
the outside. I'm on the Texas here Monday night. And
final story Colin is Drake They and the Patriots.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
It was not pretty.
Speaker 7 (29:44):
They just scored one field goal after halftime in the
loss to the Raiders. Mike Vrabel went on the radio
this week and spoke about what he's looking for from
Drake May in week two.
Speaker 8 (29:54):
He wants to be at times perfect, and I need
to get past that.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
We all have to get past that.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
You need to be precise and not perfect.
Speaker 4 (30:03):
I just want the better performance, more consistent, and continue
to grow as a leader.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
That's the second time, yeah, he said it in preseason.
It's the second time Vrable has said made animated that
that's kind of an issue with Drake May, that he's
playing cautiously and that tends to be an above the
shoulders issue. So you know, Drake May is kind of
trying to be a pleaser and like do it perfectly,
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and it's like that's not the league. Like Tom Brady
is throwing pick sixes in Super Bowls. It's not about perfect.
You're going to struggle. I mean, Bo Nicks won a
game and was bad like that. That's part of the NFL.
Can you win when you're imperfect because almost everybody is.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
Yeah, I get that, but I would counter with, hey, Mike,
quick question. It was a one.
Speaker 7 (30:55):
Score game the entire time against the Raiders. Why did
Drake May throw forty six passes?
Speaker 1 (31:01):
What?
Speaker 7 (31:02):
That's insane? Forty six pass attempts for Drake May. I
don't get it. Like establish the run game, you're a
trenches guy like it. Just there's no reason in a
one score game Drake May should be jacketed forty six times.
That is a recipe for disaster for any young quarter.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
Agree. Yeah, and I think it is. I just I don't.
The one team that lost this week and didn't look
good was the Patriots, and I've said time out. They
are starting so many new people. They spent three hundred
million in free agency. So you have a new coach,
a new staff, you spent the most in free agency,
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many of your rookies are playing. This thing's gonna take
three to four weeks to sort itself out. Like I
am just pumped the brakes on selling all your stuck.
I mean, the Raiders had a new coach and a quarterback.
But they had the same offensive line. They didn't spend
a ton in free agency. A lot of the key
Raiders Max Crosby, Rock Bowers to Goby Myers, they all
came in New England. You got to give them, just
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give them September to find their footing. That's the one
team that lost in Week one and did not look
good that. I'm like, the humped the brakes. They're gonna
be a much better team.
Speaker 7 (32:13):
But then if that's the case, which everybody agrees, you're right,
don't you just kiss it?
Speaker 3 (32:18):
Keep it simple, right, dump boss? Nothing exotic like run
the ball like it's.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
Maybe a remember a reversus.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
I want something.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
What was the team last year in the NFL that
replaced everything like New englanded this year?
Speaker 3 (32:31):
Oh Commanders Washington, Yeah yea, and.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
They got house. They lost by seventeen in Week one
because nobody plays starters in the preseason. So last year
the Commanders, new owner, new coach, new coordinators, new quarterback.
They were bad. And then all of a sudden Week two, three, four,
You're like, Okay, it's it's they're letting it bake. I'm
not saying they're that good, but I'm saying when I
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watched that game, I'm like, they don't even know that
New England just they got two many moving parts. Wait,
you got to give them a month to figure it out.
J Mack with the.
Speaker 7 (33:06):
News, Well, that's the news, and thanks for stopping by
the Herdline News.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
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Speaker 1 (33:50):
We've said this, there are certain players in the NBA,
like Steph Curry, Magic Bird, a team you know, you know,
MJ you can build around. And there are other players
that are more icing on the cake Kawhi Leonard or
Kevin Durant, where foundationally they may not have the personality,
but if they enter a well formed cake, you know,
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like the Raptors or the Warriors, they're just what the
franchise needs to me. That's Mica in Green Bay. His
sacks will now close out close games in a very
offensive division. I felt a lot of what Micah did
in Dallas was either in a blowout win over the
Giants or at the time the inept Washington Commanders, or
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they were in games that were decided and Philadelphia already
led big is that he just in Dallas it was
just more icing, but not enough cake. Green Bay the
Cakes could And I've always felt this about KD. He
was good in Brooklyn, but they didn't know what they
were doing. But where he really worked was Oklahoma City
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and the Warriors. Phoenix. You want him to lead, he'll
get the points, but it doesn't Phoenix doesn't have their
act together in the NBA. So I think Micah is
one of those guys. He's gonna make everybody better. Rashaun
Gary is gonna be better, Lucas van Ness is gonna
be better, and Micah talked about making teammates better and
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opening up lanes.
Speaker 9 (35:16):
I told him, you know the other day when they
were talking to me about the snapcounts, like, I mean,
we can run gassers, we can be in practice and
you give me these plays. We can run to the ball.
And I was like, at the end of the day, like,
you gotta let me push through some things. You gotta
let me, like, you know, get tired and get war
out out there so that way I can become better
and get better from it. And you know that's when
they're like, Okay, your reps can go up, like you
gotta really like sometimes you gotta fight for your own
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right to play.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
And it's almost like being a great reliever in baseball.
When a really good team that's got good starting pitching
goes and gets a great closer at the deadline, if
you trail seven to two, what's the point of the
closer or a good DH, right like when men are
on base, he's even more or valuable than a solo jack.
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Like a great DH on a good team or a
great reliever on a solid pitching staff. That's what Micah provides.
And it's not that Michaeh wasn't statistically productive in Dallas,
but what did the sacks mean when they were getting
housed by Green Bay at home in the playfket what
did the sacks mean? Or when they were dominating bad
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Washington and bad New York, what do they mean? But
Kawhi Leonards baskets in Toronto for that one year meant
more than all his baskets for the Clippers, right because
Toronto had a really good organization GM coach roster. They
didn't have a get a bucket, get a stop guy.
So it felt like in the playoffs, every Kawhi basket
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in the fourth quarter just felt huge. A lot of
them are just forgettable with the Clippers because they're probably
about the fourth best team in the West. So I think, Micah,
with Green Bay, you're going to the plays will be
more memorable. They'll be in shootouts with the Vikings or
close games, you know, with a rival Minnesota or Chicago,
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and he's going to close it out. And I think
there's a time and a place for great players. And
I mean, like, listen, Charles Haley won rings in San Francisco,
then won I think three in Dallas. He was great
everywhere and those were two excellent organizations. His sacks always mattered,
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but it often doesn't work that way. You're a great
player and a bad franchise, and somebody like Howie Roseman
comes in like aj Brown, you know is on Tennessee.
They're not going to win a Super Bowl. They don't
have the offense, but we have. We already have the offense.
You can be the icing. The way it works in
the NFL now, defensive players mostly can only be icing.
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I mean Aaron Donald, as good as he was, it
was kind of Stafford and McVeigh that took them to
the Super Bowl. Donald was great. The rules now dictate
that it's hard to be the centerpiece of an organization
as a defensive player, but on a good team again
playing with a lead late, and that's what Green Bay
is going to do. I remember once talking to Bill
Pulling the Hall of Fame GM with the Colts, and
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he said, the minute we got Peyton Manning in house,
then we had to go draft an edge rusher. Because
we knew we were going to be leading games in
the fourth quarter four out of five Sundays. We knew
we would be playing with a lead with Peyton Manning,
our job was to get somebody that would close out
the win. That was the second most important person that
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wasn't wide receivers. It wasn't running backs, it was Peyton
and a game closing edge rusher. Well, when you look
at green Bay now, Matt Lafleur, a Jordan Love, really
good running games, strong receiver, tight end, talent, excellent. Green
Bay is going to lead ninety percent of the games
this year. That offense is going to be it is
going to be super productive. And it's still young. So
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Green Bay is going to have about a three year
stretch with all I mean, they haven't missed on a receiver,
a tight end. I mean, green Bay does miss on
offensive draft picks much So they're gonna be leading most
of their games Dallas this year. Truth is, they're going
to be trailing most of their games. So teams aren't
going to be throwing late. They're gonna be trying to
drain the clock. So Micah just wasn't going to be
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as valuable in Dallas as he is in green Bay.
It's the closer on a great baseball team that goes
into the eighth leading. That's the difference. So Mike in
Green Bay is a much better fit than he was
in Dallas. I mean, again, how many meaningless sacks does
Miles Garrett have Miles Garrett, I mean four. I mean,
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he's gonna make money anywhere. He's gonna be a Hall
of Famer everywhere. How much bigger would Miles Garrett be,
you know, playing for the Rams the Chiefs, he would
be pass rusher team trails late. I mean if you
put him on that way. That's why the Rams went
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and got von Miller. They had Aaron don They had it,
and they looked at it and they thought, Okay, Vaughn's
had injuries, Vaughn's a little older, but we're leading games late.
We need a closer next to Aaron because Aaron's getting
double in trouble team. That's why the Bills went and
got von Miller and overpaid for him. Their take was,
in our division, we're leading games in the fourth quarter
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against New England, against Miami and the Jets. The only
way we don't win these games in division if we
can't get our quarterback back on the field, so von
Miller will get enough sacks. In Buffalo, they overpaid him,
but their take was, we're gonna be leading the Patriots
twice a year in the fourth, the Dolphins twice a
year in the fourth. We got to get their offense
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off the field. Let's guarantee we get it back to
our quarter That's how you beat great quarterbacks. Make them
watch the game instead of take snaps. And so green
Bay's like, the only way you're gonna beat us in division.
You're not gonna slow our offense down much. But if
you can run the ball on us, or you do
you get on a heater. We got to get your
quarterback off the field and our quarterback back on the field.
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So there you go, Colin.
Speaker 7 (41:04):
Did you see how many yards Washington rushed for against
the New York Giants, Washington obviously facing the Packers on Thursday.
Speaker 1 (41:12):
How many two hundred and twenty yards on the ground?
Speaker 3 (41:15):
Two twenty.
Speaker 7 (41:17):
I think you've got to keep that offensive the Packers
off the field.
Speaker 3 (41:20):
I expect this.
Speaker 7 (41:21):
Kid Crosskey Merrit, the young rookie. Yes, fantasy darling, he
was good. Jaden had sixty eight yards. Austin Eckler are
reverse to Deebo. If Washington could add like a reliable
run game, that's an interesting I was not an element.
Speaker 3 (41:33):
I expected for them to pop.
Speaker 1 (41:35):
Yeah, that's the way you're going to beat green Bay. Yeah,
and that's why green Bay gets a bit of a
break that Detroit's rebuilding their own line, so Detroit was
built to beat him this year, Detroit's not really built
to beat him because their old line and run game
won't be as dominant. All Right, Mark Sanchez around the
corner and he's bringing footage, Mark bringing Tate boy. It's
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Speaker 1 (00:28):
Welcome back. It is Wednesday, Joe Klatt less than five minutes.
It's The Herd. Wherever you may be, however you may
be listening. Thanks for making us part of your day.
Tom Brady stopping by to so tomorrow. You know, it
was really funny listening So in Chicago. I said this
all summer when I would listen to radio, it was Cubs,
Tom Ricketts, Cubs, a well run organization in the city,
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and it was Bear's talk. And obviously Caleb played a
pretty good first half and not a very good second
half and they lost at home to Minnesota. By the way,
Minnesota was favored. Minnesota's got a proven coach, Minnesota has
a better defense, Minnesota has a better organization. Minnesota, in
my opinion, has a better front office. Minnesota was favored.
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It was my sixth favorite bet of the week was Minnesota.
In my blazing five win three and two. The game
I went down to the last second with the staff
was Minnesota. I like Minnesota, and I didn't know what
JJ McCarthy would look look like. But I just think organizationally,
Minnesota has been good for a long time. They're like
Kansas City pre post Mahomes. Kansas City has been well
(01:33):
run forever by the Hunt family, and Minnesota has been
pretty well run forever. It's just the Packers have probably
been better run, and so they and they've got you know, Lombardis,
so they get more credit and they're a bigger iconic
brand in America. But you know, it's it's interesting. There
was a caller apparently, I think it was a radio
show in Chicago that called and he said on the air.
(01:57):
I didn't hear it, but I read about it was funny.
He said, you know what we need his new media
because you guys keep hyping up quarterbacks and you guys
kept in the media keep disappointing me. Well, let me
give you a heads up on that. NFL general managers
who make seven figures hit on first round quarterbacks at
about a fifty percent clip and they're paid to do it.
(02:20):
Why it's hard. So much of quarterback success is tied
to variables and the coach and the circumstances. It is
not a small note that Josh Allen was drafted by
a Buffalo team that had made the playoffs the year
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before without him, and Mahomes went tenth to Andy Reid,
and Lamar Jackson was the thirty second pick, falling to
a team that had the last pick in the first round.
And oh, by the way, JJ McCarthy was the fifth
quarterback taken to the Stable Vikings. Bo Nicks was the
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sixth quarterback taken by Sean Payton. Aaron Rodgers drops to
the Stable Packers, who had Brett Farr. Dan Marino drops
to the winningest coach ever, Don Shula. This is not
a coincidence that so many number one picks have failed
because they go to lousy gms and lowsy owners and
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cheap organizations. So people are freaking out about Caleb Williams
say is, I don't know if it's gonna work, but
last year, I mean, look, he was on a third coach.
You think it's an advantage for Mahomes to go to
Andy Reid in the Hunt family and Baker Mayfield goes
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Hugh Jackson to the Browns now Baker eventually because he's
a really talented guy that works very hard, found his footing.
He even got to the playoffs. I won a playoff game
in Cleveland. But it's it's not you know, parenting's not fair,
and this isn't fair. Where you land matters. So I
have said before the season started, I said, Caleb will
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be the best version of Caleb. I don't know what
that looks like, but this is fair, not perfect. It's
still the same owners the GM that I'm hot and
cold on. They can never develop an offensive line consisty.
But I think Ben Johnson will make Caleb the best
Caleb can be as a pro quarterback. And that's all
(04:26):
you can ask for.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
With that.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
Joel Klatt now joining US Live, you know, I will
say the criticism Joel of Caleb at USC from the
NFL people I talked to was, you know, his accuracy
is a little bit all over the map because his
feet are all over the map. As somebody that played
the position in college, your interpretation of some of his
(04:49):
I mean some of his stuff was like layups and
he missed it badly. What did you see? Yeah, I mean,
I do think it's a footwork problem. And one of
the things at USC was rarely was the ball out
on time. And when you get to the NFL level,
everything comes down to timing and spacing or is the
ball on target and on time? And he can struggle
(05:10):
with that because he has this belief in himself that
he's going to make the play with his athleticism, which
does show up by the way, still he still ran
for a touchdown and can elude the rush and get
himself in a position to go and make a play.
But Colin, the more concerning part is that when he
is in the pocket and he does have time, the
constant missing high or being just a little bit late.
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That has to improve. Now, I do think it's unfair
to grade him with a final evaluation in his very
first opportunity to play in a Ben Johnson offense. I
think you would agree with me on that. I don't
know what it's going to look like during the course
of the year. I would agree with you. I think
it's going to be the best version of whatever he
can be. But it's pretty clear to me that he's
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got to become a much better quarterback when it relates
to the timing and accuracy with which he plays in
the pocket, because at that level, your athleticism has to
be in second position has to be all right. Even Mahomes,
he controls the game first from the pocket and then
he wows us with his athleticism outside. That's what all
the great athletic quarterbacks have always been able to do,
is control the game from the pocket first. You know,
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as long as we're on that game. You did a
bunch of JJ McCarthy games, and at the college level,
he wasn't asked to carry a team. He had leads,
he had the best coach. So my concern was historically
when you come from a more comfortable position in college,
it's harder because that's not the NFL. It is you
practice is hard. He was almost terrified in the first
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three quarters, and then he hit a big Justin Jefferson
completion in the fourth quarter and it kind of changed
his confidence. And I said, you know what I saw,
I saw Baker Mayfield. Baker always played better. He was
at like a streaky shooter in basketball. If Baker hit
a big play, I was like, Okay, Baker's Chess came out,
Here's Velocity went out, and I said, God, is JJ
(07:03):
McCarthy a little bit of a baker comp Yeah? I
mean your cake on just that opinion. Yeah, I mean
I like it. I really like it. They both share
the uncommon self belief that I think all great players
have to have, maybe if others don't even share it
that are around them. The other part of it is
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is that they have this competitive streak where it's like
they just need a scoreboard and a score and it
doesn't matter what the competition is, right, it could be
pick a ball, it could be what this happens to
be a Monday night football game, and it's like they
rise to the occasion in those moments. And that's certainly
what JJ was able to do in college, and that's
what we saw him do on Monday Night. Here's one
(07:46):
thing that I would just point to that I think
if I'm Kevin O'Connell, I would go back and take
a look at this Michigan generally, and I used to
talk to Cheron Moore about this when he was the
play caller for Michigan. As JJ was maturing and becoming
the quarterback that we now see. They would get him
a completion early that was almost like a shooter going
to the foul line early in the game. Calling it
was just seeing the ball go through the hoop one time,
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getting that one completion where the ball comes off of
your hand and you're like, okay, I've got the timing,
I can see it, I've got the spacing. And then
once that happens, because you nailed it once he had
that completion to Jefferson. I believe it was on the
left side, a little play action pass. He's in rhythm,
he hits it, and he was a totally different player
after that. If you go back to those Michigan games,
almost every single opening series, within the first three snaps
(08:31):
of the entire game, it wasn't a big shot down
the field. It was actually an easy completion like a
free throw that started to get JJ in rhythm. I
think if Minnesota started to utilize that type of strategy
rather than just run the football like they did early
in that game, they would get him in a rhythm
much sooner. So listen, when you have to replace a legend,
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coaching is so vital in college football, not that it
doesn't matter in pro football, but the pro football starts
with the quarterback, and often the GM is really important,
like Philly Howie Roseman. But in college, the coach recruits
the players. He's the coach and the GM, and replacing
Jim Harbaugh is no easy task. I thought Bryce Underwood,
I think he's really good, like I think he's really
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looks different. But I got to tell you, when I
watch Michigan the first couple of weeks, I don't I
don't see it. I feel like they're not quite now.
Give Oklahoma credit, materiir they found their quarterback. I think
they've got a lot of junior seniors on defense. Oklahoma,
there's a good Oklahoma team. We thought they would win.
Michigan doesn't quite feel the same Joel to me, you
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know him better than I do. It doesn't quite feel
the same. Perimeter wise, nobody scares you on that offense.
So I think both things can be true. And you
touched on this, so I'll give you credit on this.
Is that in Oklahoma fans they're you know, you got
to give the Sooners credit, and it's like, okay, okay,
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both can be true. I think that Michigan can be
struggling with their identity. On one hand, and on the
other hand, Oklahoma played great. I think both of those
things can equally be true. Now if you just were
to focus on the identity piece from the Michigan perspective,
here's what I see. I see a new offensive coordinator
in Chip Lindsay that has majored in more of a spread,
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albeit even finesse style attack in his career as a
college football coach. And now he comes in. And yet
what Cheron Moore really wants to retain from the been
Jim Harbaugh days is this physical mindset and philosophy that
they're going to run the football. And the two have
not gelled. Called down, they have not geled. Now can
it happen? Well maybe maybe is the question, but we
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haven't seen it yet. And I thought that the game
plan was not very good from Michigan. Way too much
side to side. And then here's a little inside football.
And I know we don't have film to show this,
but I should have given it to you guys. Way
too many condensed sets from the offense for Michigan. So
when you condense your formation, what does the defense do?
It condenses and immediately the safeties are going to be
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closer to the line of scrimmage. The corners are going
to be closer, so the support players and all the
players that you cannot account for in the run blocking
scheme are closer to the line of scrimmage. So it
becomes so much more difficult to just run the football
straight ahead when you're out of a condensed set.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
Ye.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Now, what Michigan did do well is they added extra
linement at time and they would bring on a sixth
and seventh extra offensive lineman. Now that's better than just
condensing your skill position players down. And the reason is
is because you're adding extra gaps. And then that's when
they finally broke off that long run coming out of halftime,
is that they had a extra offensive lineman and now
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Oklahoma didn't adjust and there was a gap free and
they bust a long run. So they're going to learn
from that. Here's what I would encourage Michigan to do,
as if I'm a coach. Condense the set in order
to throw the football. That way, you bring the defense
closer to the line of scrimmage. Now take your shots
and try to run right past them, and then to
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run the football. Make the look and the structure of
the defense more clear by spreading out. So if Chip
Lindsay wants to actually spread out a little bit and
then run power football with his five offensive lining up front,
I think that would help them. It would define the
look for the quarterback, It would help those offensive linemen
up front. But they certainly have an identity issue. And
I just want to say again, that doesn't mean Oklahoma
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didn't play great. Oklahoma played great, and I'm a believer
in Oklahoma moving forward. Live. Yeah, great quarterback, a coach
that's been in the sport a lot, and juniors and
seniors all over the defense. Oklahoma's good. It's a good team. Okay.
So I always believe what I'm about to say to
be true is that people out East are built different
than people out west. Out West, the weather's better. We
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don't get a lot of snow, we don't get a
lot of hail out East. I remember when I was
a kid, Big East basketball was not only better than
the Pac twelve, it was so much more intimidating and
physical because there is And by the way, when Jay
Wright was building Villanova, he would go to the DMV.
He'd get tough kids. Their dad were cops. It is
that let's be honest out out East, yet a bagel
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with cream cheese out West, they scoop out the carbs
in the bagel. I'm sorry, it's the green plate theory.
And so I watched you. By the way, I'm sitting
here with like a Southern California ten thinking to myself,
yes I'm soft calling. It gets below fifty five degrees
and I'm like, I can't handle this anymore. So what
you're saying is absolutely true at the detriment of my
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own personality. So one of my knocks on USC has
always been Pete Carroll understood this. So practices with Pete
Carroll were intense, like uncomfortable. The program has been soft.
I watched it doesn't mean they lack skill under Lane
or Sark or so. I watched USC this past weekend.
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I went to the game. They're fast, they're clever, there's direction,
they're twitchy. It is total Lincoln Riley like, there are
it is. You can't guess to play all sorts of movement.
And I walked out of the stadium and a USC
fan came up. He said, what do you think. I said, yeah,
I've seen that before. You can't you can't go on
the road in crappy weather in the Big ten and
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win because you're out Cleveringham. See, I think I would
disagree with you, though not in your sense that you
can't just finesse teams to death. But and I apologize
for you're not finishing your point. But I think I
I think USC is actually more in the right blueprint
of what they need to do to win. Let me explain.
Let me explain this to you because I think that
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I think that you'll like this a lot. Calm and
then take this to heart. If you look at the
way that Lincoln Riley won at Oklahoma, it was a
very specific blueprint. Okay, So if you take his head
coaching years at Oklahoma and you take that as as
a chunk, and you take all of college football, Oklahoma
was number one in the country and average average yards
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per rush. You wouldn't think that, would you, But they were.
And that was always the issue at USC is that
they never ran the ball as effectively as what Lincoln
did when he was at Oklahoma. That's what allowed Baker
to be Baker, and Kyler to be Kyler, and Jalen
Hurts and so on and so forth. And now guess
where USC six after two games, number one in the
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country in rush yards per attempt. Now, the brilliance of
Riley is that he married that with a passing game
that was also elite at Oklahoma. In fact, Baker Mayfield
finished third in the country throwing the football his last
year and en route to a Heisman Championship or Heisman Trophy.
Guess where Mayaba is right now, third in the country.
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So I would actually argue that this is the blueprint.
This is the Riley blueprint for how you win. They
ran it better Caleb's first year than they did his
second year, and then they leaned too heavily on the pass.
They can run the football well this wayman, Jordan guy
can run it. He's the JUCO National Player of the year.
He comes in. He's been really good at running back.
I'm actually bullish on USC. I think it's one of
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the more underrated teams in the country. They lost close
games a year ago, and I think they're going to
surprise the people over the next few weeks. By the way,
Sark got a little edgy, so we were saying it
this week. Jmak disagreed with me. But football is a
sport where guys wins all the time. Nobody plays clean
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college football, high school football. As I was throwing darts
all over the field in high school football, I would
wins occasionally because of the level of violence of football, right,
you remember those days. So my point is arch Manning
during the game for Texas wins and one of the
reporters asked, Sark, he's like he looked uncomfortable. And if
I was Sark, instead of getting defensive, I would have said,
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it's football, like my players are uncomfortable all the time.
But I did feel like the press conference was Sark.
It got a little edgy and didn't need to. And
I'm asking you, do you feel the pressure at Texas
this year? I do watching Sark, I feel that Sark
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feel the donors. There's a lot of you know, you
look at well, here's the Sark said, I'm gonna play
it for you. This, this, to me, didn't need to
happen here it is.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
Arch Manning seemed to be having some throwing pains by.
Speaker 4 (17:25):
The According to who arch Arch said that to you, No, oh,
according to who, it just looked like he was he
doesn't have any that is there an explanation to why
he was It looked like that.
Speaker 5 (17:37):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (17:38):
I've never filed I've never filmed any of you guys
when you're using the bathroom, so I don't know what
faces you make when you're doing.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
That odd whatever. Uh. I guess my point is Texas
is a pressure cooker. Yeah, yeah, like like And I
had a coach telling me this one time. He said, like,
the hardest place to play is with an impulsive owner
in the NFL. The second hardest place is Texas, like
mac Brown had to massage those donors every day. What
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do you make a sark the pressure in art. I
think that what you saw there was was Sark being protective.
I think that what you see is a culmination of
an off season of pressure and expectation being heaped on
a guy that hadn't really been a full time starter yet,
and his coach is trying to defend him. I think
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he got defensive, and he's trying to defend his player
and this kid who is still a kid and is
still young in his career and trying to develop. Your
point about win saying, I agree with now, I think
what makes it more worrisome is that he's win saying
while not throwing the football very accurately, and theirs speculation
of why is his arm angled down and what's going on?
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Is he is he hurt? So there's wild speculation, and
I think that Sark sees that. And to your point
about pressure cooker, it's certainly a pressurized a place to
coach and more specifically play. I would make the argument
that the two hardest positions to play in college football
are quarterback at Texas and quarterback at Ohio State, and
Arch is in that. And then you throw his last
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name and the expectations, and I think you see the
defensiveness of a coach trying to defend a quarterback that
is not reaching the expectations that have been shoveled on
him by the outside. Whether he liked it or not,
and whether you like the answer or not, I like
it if I'm Arch, and I think that's the point.
The point wasn't for the reporter, it wasn't for anyone
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else other than Arch. It was like it was basically
like saying, hey kid, I got your back no matter what,
and we're going to do this together. And so for
that purpose, I actually liked it. As a former quarterback,
if my coach would have said something like that, and
you know, take the head off of a reporter and
I'd be like, all right, now, I've got a guy
in the Foxhoul with me, and so from Arch's perspective,
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I'm sure he appreciated it. That's a good answer there, Klatt, Oh,
I appreciate that you did a pretty bringing the heat.
I'm bringing the heat. I'm you know, how are you doing?
Oh good, I'm looking at your top ten. I don't
have any problems with it. I mean you shouldn't. You shouldn't.
You know. The team that I think is really good
who Oregon? Well, they're always good, yeah, I know, but
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like they're different this year. So I'm preparing for the
Northwestern game this week, Oregon at Northwestern. I'm watching all
their film, and you know what stood out to me,
I'm like, that's that's it. That's what it's supposed to
look like. I know that they're always good, and they're
always fast, and they're a good team. This is a
team that's constructed that could be a great team. I
think Dante More is a step up from Bo Knicks
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and Dylan Gabriel, both draft picks, both really good players.
I think that their defense is a step up in
the way that it's constructed. They've got massive players on
the interior of their defensive line and really ferocious players
on the edge, good hybrid players in the back two levels.
When I turn on Oregon, I see the best team
in the country and I'm just I'm just saying right
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now that that looks like a team that could they
could win it all this year. You know, it is remarkable.
And maybe I say this pridefully because I worked in
the state of Oregon. It is unbelievable that a state
that has maybe three elite high school football players a year.
I mean, that's it. It's up tucked up in the
corner that you know. They don't have one hundred thousand
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seat stadium. They have a very very wealthy donor who's
all into their track team, their basketball. It's not just football.
But it is remarkable. In this country. Generally, the great
programs Georgia or you know, a Texas or a usc
or Ohio state you come from these rich recruiting grounds.
I always think that about Oregon. It is unbelievable. If
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I'd have said, you know, thirty years ago, you're not
going to believe this. Oregon may be the third best
program in the country, and I feel the same way.
Are you going to Austin at all this year? Do
you have an Austin game? I don't know if we'll
go to Austin, but I think that we'll have them
on the road. Remember the with the noon time slot,
it's tough to get them to kick at nine Ie.
They don't do it, No, and they don't need to
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they you know, I mean, Oregon football is something else.
I agree with you, though, I agree with you, and
by the way, they've overcome that that lack of natural
recruiting base by creating a brand and an attractiveness that
everyone around the country wants to be a part of.
And I think Dan Lanning is a big part of that.
And obviously the way that they've branded themselves over the
last couple of decades. I just I believe that of
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the teams that haven't won a national championship and you
wouldn't consider to be historical blue bloods, they're clearly the
next team. They're clearly the next team in line to
potentially win something. If you told me the last ten years,
and I'm counting everything, marketing, wins Bowl games, coaching, decision
making talent. If you said best programs in the country,
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and again a lot of it's just saban, you'd go
Alabama Ohio State, and current momentum matters too, Alabama Ohio State.
They're in an argument for third because class should be Georgia,
maybe you know, Clemson, kind of maybe Michigan with their
national championship, and then Oregon is right in there. But
Clemson didn't have the nil or the current trajectory, and
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so I mean I would put Oregon ahead of Clemson
simply because of Phil Knight, the trajectory, the recruiting prowess.
Oregon recruits better than Clemson on those rival ratings every year.
But I mean, it's amazing when you look at the
top five programs Oregon has to be in that they're
in that. Absolutely, I think that they're really good. They
are better than what they have been. They were the
number one team in the country and undefeated at beaten
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Ohio State, beaten Penn State last year, and they ran
into Jeremiah Smith and the Death Star Supernova in the
Rose Bowl, right, I mean, like that's a bad break
for them. This is a better version. I'm just telling you,
they're really good. Joe Klagg can't seen anybody. You as
well have a great day, dude. By the way, Micah
Parsons is talking and the packers are talking about Micah Parsons.
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Speaker 1 (24:49):
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Speaker 7 (25:04):
This is the Herdline news, all right, Collin, big revenge
game Ben Johnson against Detroit, very familiar foes. Ben Johnson
obviously left Detroit to go to coach at Chicago and
the Bears travel to the Lions.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
Colin, I have two bets of the account. This is
one of them. I love this game.
Speaker 7 (25:24):
Dan Campbell talking about how it's a must win since
both teams lost their opener.
Speaker 5 (25:30):
Ben's my friend. He's always going to be my friend,
you know. But but nothing about that's going to change.
You know, we're going in getting ready to play Chicago.
We're gonna win this game, you know, we have to.
We got to find a way to clean things up
and do what we gotta do. And they're going to
try to do the same thing.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
So you like Detroit a lot in this game, despite
the coordinator snaffoos.
Speaker 7 (25:58):
Yes, there's some stuff. We'll get into it later in
the week. I don't want to give away all my picks.
I am just curious, like you, start looking at the
I saw a stat here the Minnesota Vikings had the
most pressures in the NFL in Week one, they had thirty.
So Flora's in the second half was like, we're dialing
up the blitz. Caleb Ain reading anything? You don't think
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Detroit's well aware that Chicago on a short week is
not going to have a lot of time to adjust.
And did you see the Chicago secondary got cooked by
McCarthy and they were already down some guys injuries ravaging
that group. Detroit better wide receiver unit, a lot scarier
with golf. I think the Lions might open a can
on them this weekend, all right, no agreement.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
I think those division games are always pretty I don't
think Detroit can open up a can right now on anybody.
I think they've got issues internally, so they're still rebuilding
the old line, you know, at home. Humiliated in Week one.
You know, the one rule I have is when teams
with competent quarterback play get humiliate and competent coaching, they
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almost always the following week played great. Chicago did not
get humiliated. They lost. Detroit in Green Bay was humiliated.
So Detroit's the Detroit's going to win this game. I
believe I just five and a half's a lot for
division game fair?
Speaker 7 (27:20):
Does that a ply to Miami and New England as well?
Or does two and not competent in your book?
Speaker 1 (27:27):
I don't know if the coaching is.
Speaker 7 (27:29):
Oo shots fired. Boy, there's a bolted war material out here. Coaches,
Let's move on to the Houston Texans colin Big game
on Monday.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
Love this one as well. I'm on it now. Yesterday
C J.
Speaker 7 (27:41):
Stroud called out teammates for lollygagging and if you thought
that was maybe too harsh, his head coach Tamiko Ryans
echoed that sentiment yesterday.
Speaker 8 (27:50):
It's never an entire group, that's the one thing about it.
So they're individuals that have their have their moments throughout
the week, and the lollygagging it's a term everybody want
to use.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
Now, we got to get out with some urgency.
Speaker 8 (28:04):
So the urgency piece from everybody has to pick up
from the offensive side of the ball. Right, the urgency
picks up and we'll be able to operate cleaner.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
I actually I think this is an interesting play. You
could argue the Bucks could have easily lost. They won barely,
but I think the Texans similarly, if not by a
great play by a Ram interior linebacker Houston was going
on to win the game and take the lead. And
I think that Rams defense got it was the best
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defense in the league, arguably in the last five weeks
of last year. They don't get penalized. They're young, they're athletic,
they have a pass rush. They have not missed on
defensive draft picks in several years with the Rams. I
think the Texans. I think the Rams defense is going
to make a lot of teams. Yeah, look like Houston
looked in Week one. I think they're gonna I mean
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they held Jalen Hurts. The last time Jalen Hurts struggled
was against the Rams at home. He had sixty yards passing.
I think Heughston. Teams that play the Rams bet them
the next week because they're better than they look, especially
early in the season in week one, you're not a
well oiled tuned machine. I like the Texans this week.
Speaker 7 (29:20):
Total agreement Colin just a quick stat I saw for
my buddy. So the Bucks last week against the Falcons
gave up one hundred and ninety one yards after the catch,
most by a mile in the league. Houston is going
to take big advantage of that. Nico Collins, the young
kid Higgins. They have some guys who can scoot on
the outside. I'm on the Texas here Monday night. And
final story Colin is Drake They and the Patriots.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
It was not pretty.
Speaker 7 (29:44):
They just scored one field goal after halftime in the
loss to the Raiders. Mike Vrabel went on the radio
this week and spoke about what he's looking for from
Drake May in week two.
Speaker 8 (29:54):
He wants to be at times perfect, and I need
to get past that.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
We all have to get past that.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
You need to be precise and not perfect.
Speaker 4 (30:03):
I just want the better performance, more consistent, and continue
to grow as a leader.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
That's the second time, yeah, he said it in preseason.
It's the second time Vrable has said made animated that
that's kind of an issue with Drake May, that he's
playing cautiously and that tends to be an above the
shoulders issue. So you know, Drake May is kind of
trying to be a pleaser and like do it perfectly,
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and it's like that's not the league. Like Tom Brady
is throwing pick sixes in Super Bowls. It's not about perfect.
You're going to struggle. I mean, Bo Nicks won a
game and was bad like that. That's part of the NFL.
Can you win when you're imperfect because almost everybody is.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
Yeah, I get that, but I would counter with, hey, Mike,
quick question. It was a one.
Speaker 7 (30:55):
Score game the entire time against the Raiders. Why did
Drake May throw forty six passes?
Speaker 1 (31:01):
What?
Speaker 7 (31:02):
That's insane? Forty six pass attempts for Drake May. I
don't get it. Like establish the run game, you're a
trenches guy like it. Just there's no reason in a
one score game Drake May should be jacketed forty six times.
That is a recipe for disaster for any young quarter.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
Agree. Yeah, and I think it is. I just I don't.
The one team that lost this week and didn't look
good was the Patriots, and I've said time out. They
are starting so many new people. They spent three hundred
million in free agency. So you have a new coach,
a new staff, you spent the most in free agency,
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many of your rookies are playing. This thing's gonna take
three to four weeks to sort itself out. Like I
am just pumped the brakes on selling all your stuck.
I mean, the Raiders had a new coach and a quarterback.
But they had the same offensive line. They didn't spend
a ton in free agency. A lot of the key
Raiders Max Crosby, Rock Bowers to Goby Myers, they all
came in New England. You got to give them, just
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give them September to find their footing. That's the one
team that lost in Week one and did not look
good that. I'm like, the humped the brakes. They're gonna
be a much better team.
Speaker 7 (32:13):
But then if that's the case, which everybody agrees, you're right,
don't you just kiss it?
Speaker 3 (32:18):
Keep it simple, right, dump boss? Nothing exotic like run
the ball like it's.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
Maybe a remember a reversus.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
I want something.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
What was the team last year in the NFL that
replaced everything like New englanded this year?
Speaker 3 (32:31):
Oh Commanders Washington, Yeah yea, and.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
They got house. They lost by seventeen in Week one
because nobody plays starters in the preseason. So last year
the Commanders, new owner, new coach, new coordinators, new quarterback.
They were bad. And then all of a sudden Week two, three, four,
You're like, Okay, it's it's they're letting it bake. I'm
not saying they're that good, but I'm saying when I
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watched that game, I'm like, they don't even know that
New England just they got two many moving parts. Wait,
you got to give them a month to figure it out.
J Mack with the.
Speaker 7 (33:06):
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Speaker 1 (33:14):
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Speaker 1 (33:50):
We've said this, there are certain players in the NBA,
like Steph Curry, Magic Bird, a team you know, you know,
MJ you can build around. And there are other players
that are more icing on the cake Kawhi Leonard or
Kevin Durant, where foundationally they may not have the personality,
but if they enter a well formed cake, you know,
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like the Raptors or the Warriors, they're just what the
franchise needs to me. That's Mica in Green Bay. His
sacks will now close out close games in a very
offensive division. I felt a lot of what Micah did
in Dallas was either in a blowout win over the
Giants or at the time the inept Washington Commanders, or
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they were in games that were decided and Philadelphia already
led big is that he just in Dallas it was
just more icing, but not enough cake. Green Bay the
Cakes could And I've always felt this about KD. He
was good in Brooklyn, but they didn't know what they
were doing. But where he really worked was Oklahoma City
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and the Warriors. Phoenix. You want him to lead, he'll
get the points, but it doesn't Phoenix doesn't have their
act together in the NBA. So I think Micah is
one of those guys. He's gonna make everybody better. Rashaun
Gary is gonna be better, Lucas van Ness is gonna
be better, and Micah talked about making teammates better and
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opening up lanes.
Speaker 9 (35:16):
I told him, you know the other day when they
were talking to me about the snapcounts, like, I mean,
we can run gassers, we can be in practice and
you give me these plays. We can run to the ball.
And I was like, at the end of the day, like,
you gotta let me push through some things. You gotta
let me, like, you know, get tired and get war
out out there so that way I can become better
and get better from it. And you know that's when
they're like, Okay, your reps can go up, like you
gotta really like sometimes you gotta fight for your own
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right to play.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
And it's almost like being a great reliever in baseball.
When a really good team that's got good starting pitching
goes and gets a great closer at the deadline, if
you trail seven to two, what's the point of the
closer or a good DH, right like when men are
on base, he's even more or valuable than a solo jack.
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Like a great DH on a good team or a
great reliever on a solid pitching staff. That's what Micah provides.
And it's not that Michaeh wasn't statistically productive in Dallas,
but what did the sacks mean when they were getting
housed by Green Bay at home in the playfket what
did the sacks mean? Or when they were dominating bad
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Washington and bad New York, what do they mean? But
Kawhi Leonards baskets in Toronto for that one year meant
more than all his baskets for the Clippers, right because
Toronto had a really good organization GM coach roster. They
didn't have a get a bucket, get a stop guy.
So it felt like in the playoffs, every Kawhi basket
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in the fourth quarter just felt huge. A lot of
them are just forgettable with the Clippers because they're probably
about the fourth best team in the West. So I think, Micah,
with Green Bay, you're going to the plays will be
more memorable. They'll be in shootouts with the Vikings or
close games, you know, with a rival Minnesota or Chicago,
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and he's going to close it out. And I think
there's a time and a place for great players. And
I mean, like, listen, Charles Haley won rings in San Francisco,
then won I think three in Dallas. He was great
everywhere and those were two excellent organizations. His sacks always mattered,
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but it often doesn't work that way. You're a great
player and a bad franchise, and somebody like Howie Roseman
comes in like aj Brown, you know is on Tennessee.
They're not going to win a Super Bowl. They don't
have the offense, but we have. We already have the offense.
You can be the icing. The way it works in
the NFL now, defensive players mostly can only be icing.
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I mean Aaron Donald, as good as he was, it
was kind of Stafford and McVeigh that took them to
the Super Bowl. Donald was great. The rules now dictate
that it's hard to be the centerpiece of an organization
as a defensive player, but on a good team again
playing with a lead late, and that's what Green Bay
is going to do. I remember once talking to Bill
Pulling the Hall of Fame GM with the Colts, and
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he said, the minute we got Peyton Manning in house,
then we had to go draft an edge rusher. Because
we knew we were going to be leading games in
the fourth quarter four out of five Sundays. We knew
we would be playing with a lead with Peyton Manning,
our job was to get somebody that would close out
the win. That was the second most important person that
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wasn't wide receivers. It wasn't running backs, it was Peyton
and a game closing edge rusher. Well, when you look
at green Bay now, Matt Lafleur, a Jordan Love, really
good running games, strong receiver, tight end, talent, excellent. Green
Bay is going to lead ninety percent of the games
this year. That offense is going to be it is
going to be super productive. And it's still young. So
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Green Bay is going to have about a three year
stretch with all I mean, they haven't missed on a receiver,
a tight end. I mean, green Bay does miss on
offensive draft picks much So they're gonna be leading most
of their games Dallas this year. Truth is, they're going
to be trailing most of their games. So teams aren't
going to be throwing late. They're gonna be trying to
drain the clock. So Micah just wasn't going to be
(39:15):
as valuable in Dallas as he is in green Bay.
It's the closer on a great baseball team that goes
into the eighth leading. That's the difference. So Mike in
Green Bay is a much better fit than he was
in Dallas. I mean, again, how many meaningless sacks does
Miles Garrett have Miles Garrett, I mean four. I mean,
(39:37):
he's gonna make money anywhere. He's gonna be a Hall
of Famer everywhere. How much bigger would Miles Garrett be,
you know, playing for the Rams the Chiefs, he would
be pass rusher team trails late. I mean if you
put him on that way. That's why the Rams went
(39:57):
and got von Miller. They had Aaron don They had it,
and they looked at it and they thought, Okay, Vaughn's
had injuries, Vaughn's a little older, but we're leading games late.
We need a closer next to Aaron because Aaron's getting
double in trouble team. That's why the Bills went and
got von Miller and overpaid for him. Their take was,
in our division, we're leading games in the fourth quarter
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against New England, against Miami and the Jets. The only
way we don't win these games in division if we
can't get our quarterback back on the field, so von
Miller will get enough sacks. In Buffalo, they overpaid him,
but their take was, we're gonna be leading the Patriots
twice a year in the fourth, the Dolphins twice a
year in the fourth. We got to get their offense
(40:39):
off the field. Let's guarantee we get it back to
our quarter That's how you beat great quarterbacks. Make them
watch the game instead of take snaps. And so green
Bay's like, the only way you're gonna beat us in division.
You're not gonna slow our offense down much. But if
you can run the ball on us, or you do
you get on a heater. We got to get your
quarterback off the field and our quarterback back on the field.
(41:01):
So there you go, Colin.
Speaker 7 (41:04):
Did you see how many yards Washington rushed for against
the New York Giants, Washington obviously facing the Packers on Thursday.
Speaker 1 (41:12):
How many two hundred and twenty yards on the ground?
Speaker 3 (41:15):
Two twenty.
Speaker 7 (41:17):
I think you've got to keep that offensive the Packers
off the field.
Speaker 3 (41:20):
I expect this.
Speaker 7 (41:21):
Kid Crosskey Merrit, the young rookie. Yes, fantasy darling, he
was good. Jaden had sixty eight yards. Austin Eckler are
reverse to Deebo. If Washington could add like a reliable
run game, that's an interesting I was not an element.
Speaker 3 (41:33):
I expected for them to pop.
Speaker 1 (41:35):
Yeah, that's the way you're going to beat green Bay. Yeah,
and that's why green Bay gets a bit of a
break that Detroit's rebuilding their own line, so Detroit was
built to beat him this year, Detroit's not really built
to beat him because their old line and run game
won't be as dominant. All Right, Mark Sanchez around the
corner and he's bringing footage, Mark bringing Tate boy. It's
(41:57):
a beautiful day in Chicago, beautiful day their
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