September 11, 2025 • 41 mins
Greg Cosell joins The Herd to talk the Thursday Night game between the Packers and Commanders, the issues with the Chiefs passing game, the moves the Eagles are making so early in the season, and more.
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Speaker 1 (00:27):
Here we go. It is hour two. It is a Thursday.
The Green Bay Packers are three and a half point
favorites tonight against the Washington Commanders. I think, I said
in my Hurt Hierarchy, the most impressive team I saw
in Week one was green Bay. Defensively, Micah only played
forty forty percent of the snaps. I thought they got
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Rashaan Gary. I thought they opened up matchups for other players.
I thought their offense looked good. I think green Bay
drafts so well. Their wide receiver and tight end talent
is exemplary. Whereas Philadelphia, we know they have a stack roster.
But I thought there were running lanes that the Cowboys found.
I thought both Ceedee Lamb and George Pickens separated from
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the especially Ceedee Lamb separated from his corner coverage. I
thought green Bay looked as good as anybody. And then
there's the other side of the coin Monday Night Football,
where the Bears looked really bad in the second half,
but until the fourth quarter, JJ McCarthy looked lost. And
with that Greg Cosel joining us as he's done for
a decade plus NFL films forty six years. So listen,
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the layups weren't there, the overthrowers were there. The one
positive takeaway I had with Caleb, Greg was that on
that first series a lot of underneath stuff. He didn't
get lured into throwing the ball down the field. With
Brian Flores, he kind of took what they gave him.
He moved, he made one nice throw to Romadnze, but
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it did feel like he wasn't seeing the field particularly
well well and he was missing on some layups. What
did the films say with Caleb Week one?
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Yeah, and I think that's fair, And I think that
early in the game it was probably by design that
they wanted him to take checkdowns and if that was available,
to get the ball out. But I went through that
tape pretty carefully. So what I decided to do Colin
was to read a couple of things that I typed
because that's what I do when I watch tape, I
take really detailed notes.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
So here's what I said. A couple of things.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
I said, Williams at this point in his development is
not a refined or advanced anticipation thrower. Then I also said,
Williams at this point does not play with the needed
clarity from the pocket that is demanded to effectively work
through progressions and deliver the ball within structure and timing.
And those things really showed up. Now again I'm watching
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this particular tape. I'm not making a judgment about his
entire future, but he's got things that need to be
clearly worked on.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
I'm sure they're working on them.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
He also has a habit discussed this last year as well.
He has a habit of climbing the pocket when there's
no pressure.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
So what he does is he creates his own pressure.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
And the result of all of this is there's too
many what we call turndowns throws that are there that
he does not make. And in any given week, Colin,
and you know this, can he make special plays because
he has a great arm and throws a beautiful ball.
Although he missed a lot of throws with poor accuracy
in this game, but he has a beautiful arm, and
he's obviously very mobile and can make plays outside of structure.
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But that's not the way you can live in the NFL,
as you know, week to week.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
So JJ McCarthy, let's just take out the pick six
in the first three quarters. What did he do in
the fourth that could materialize the rest of the season,
because clearly he gained confidence. You know what I said
Monday or Tuesday, I said, there's a little Baker Mayfield
that he plays with great emotion. Michael Pennix, for instance,
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does not. He didn't. Michael Pennix drops Tua, doesn't play
with huge emotion. But when I watched Baker and JJ McCarthy,
when JJ McCarthy hit Justin Jefferson fourth quarter on the sideline, literally,
his accuracy and velocity seemed to improve. He plays on
the sideline after the game. He's a very emotional player.
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So what did he do in the fourth that you
think he can replicate going forward?
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Well, it's funny you mentioned that throw that seventeen yard
are on the outcut to Jefferson, which was actually his
best throw. It was a far hashed, deep sideline throw,
sitting on his back foot and driving the ball. But
you know, watching that game, it made me think so
much about the connection between the offensive coordinator and the
quarterback because we're looking right now at Aaron Jones touchdown.
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That was a scheme to play and it worked. So
when a coordinator calls a play and the primary receiver
is open and the play breaks down the defense the
way you anticipate when you make the play call and
the quarterback execcutes it, which is what you want. By
the way, that's what every coordinator wants. Where do we
give the credit? Is the credit to the coordinator? Is
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the credit to the quarterback? You know, executing well designed plays?
Look what Sam Donold did in Minnesota last year and
now JJ McCarthy will reap the benefits of Kevin O'Connell
being one of the best in the league at being
able to do this.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
Now, obviously you want your quarterback to.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
Have confidence and feel like you can drop back and
make those throws. But it always makes me think about
the connection between the play caller and the quarterback.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
All Right, Kansas City is a home dog to Philadelphia,
and if they lose their own too, and that means
your chances of making the playoffs are about twelve percent.
So we'll get to Justin Herbert later. I just want
to I want to talk Kansas City. And this has
been like a year and a half. It's been about
a year problem. It feels like, to me, what are
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you seeing on film? Why does this offense is not
as domin on third down? It's less consistent? What do
you see?
Speaker 3 (06:05):
And again I can't tell you the reasons because I'm
not there, but what the film shows is they do
not have any true structured timing intermediate passing game. So
it's a lot of quick rhythm short throws, and it's
Mahomes making Mahomes plays where he gets out of the
pocket and either runs, which by the way, is a
significant part of their offense is scrambling, or he gets
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out of the pocket and makes great throws as he
did late in the game when he hit Brown I
think it was for forty nine yards and it appeared
as if they might come back and win that game.
But there's really not been And this goes back a year,
year and a half, Colin, there has not really been
a structured intermediate passing game.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
I mean they don't score a lot of points.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
The last two years, I think they've averaged about twenty two,
maybe twenty three.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
Their defense has been phenomenal.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
Their defense has been in the top five in points
allowed the last two years. So it's been kind of
an odd offense to watch. But we're all waiting because
he's done it so many times for Patrick Mahomes to
make special plays, and you know what, he'll make them.
The question is will there be enough of them now
over the course of seventeen games.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
I want to talk Green Bay. They play tonight, they
host Washington or field Goal Plus Favorite. So they were
the most impressive team to me that I watched offense, defense,
coaching structure. They have so many good tight end wide
receiver players that are not They're still on rookie contracts,
so a lot of their young players are not yet
entering their prime. They are so so talented and so young.
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So let's start with Jordan Love. What's funny, Greg, if
you ask most Packer fans going into the season, just
Packer fans, and you said, is Jordan Love great? I
think it's very split, don't We don't quite know what
he is? And my argument is he doesn't make a
lot of mistakes. He's got a live arm and live legs.
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There's a lot like what does the film.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
Say, Well, I think we know what he is and
you've just kind of hit it.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
You're dealing with a quarterback that's probably in terms of
physical traits now top six, seven eight in the league
for sure. And with more and more experience, he'll become
better at understanding when he can make throws when he
shouldn't make throws.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
He'll play within the context of a given game.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
But it's funny watching that tape both sides of the ball.
I was actually more struck by what Jeff Haffley did
on defense. Now, it might be a totally different defense
against Jane Daniels than Jared Goff because they are different players.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
So we don't know that.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
But the thing is they did as good a job
as I can recall with what we call late coverage rotation,
where the picture they showed before the snap of the
ball and they picture that they showed after the snap
of the ball was so totally different. And not just
with one guy we're all with safety move I'm talking
about with three or four guys moving totally changing the
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picture Now.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
As I said, Goff's a pure pocket player.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
It might be a totally different deal tonight against jayde Daniels.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
But I thought Jeff Haffley did a great job with them.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
By the way, they pretty much only rushed four all game,
hardly any blitzing, so they generated pressure with their down four.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
Yeah, and he only played about forty five percent of
the snap so that'll probably get up to sixty seventy. Yeah,
So that'll get up to probably seventy five percent of
the snaps tonight. Okay, Justin Field's played as well as
he's played. But let's talk Aaron Rodgers. Yeah, so they
don't have a great run game. I was called I
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once again. This is the seventh straight year of the
old line. But was there anything watching Aaron? Let's talk Aaron.
Was there anything that struck you about Aaron that that
impressed you or do you think I mean he was
hadn't been good and openers the previous three years.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
It was an odd game, and I'll tell you why.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
There were a lot of assignment mistakes by the Jets
and coverage. Either assignment mistakes or the design of the
play caused players to get out of position and so
it was a tough game to make a true evaluation
of Aaron Rodgers. I mean, he made a couple of
really good throws, obviously, but they were just you know,
it was really well schemed offensively at times, and then
the Jets just had some mistakes that you can't make,
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and it gave him a lot of pitch and catch throws.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
So, just being honest, it.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
Was not a game where I came away thinking good
or bad. We know we can make throws, that's not
an issue.
Speaker 4 (10:24):
But in terms of ky did he look great?
Speaker 3 (10:27):
There are a lot of wide open receivers, so you know,
I think a lot of quarterbacks could have probably made
the throws.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Yeah. Okay, so now I want to go to a
game that not a lot of people watched. But it
was funny because I rarely can I predict a game
to look a certain way. I can pick a winner occasionally,
but I said, Texan DRAMs, the defenses are going to
dominate each other. It's going to be incredibly low scoring.
It'll be incredibly ugly. That said, I thought Stafford actually
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played well despite the fact their old line was banged up.
What did the tape say on Stafford? Again? The score
doesn't tell the whole story story. What did the film
say with Stafford against a great Texans aggressive defense.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
Yeah, and again, Sean McVay is so good with his formations,
his use of motions, the way he expands own coverage
creates voice and windows for Stafford. But Stafford, I mean,
there's still not as pretty a thrower in the league
as Matthew Stafford. And he made a couple of throws
that were just big, big time throws, and you need
to do that through the course of a game. But
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they do such a good job overall with how they
put together their offense. The motion they use the tight
end and what we call short first motion to expand coverage,
and then they work the middle of the field exceptionally
well I mean Stafford. Look, you can always say if
a quarterback's protected, he's going to throw the ball well, you.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
Know, to the best of that quarterback's ability.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
But if Stafford's protected, because he's such an elite throw
over the football, he can just make really big time throws.
And he made one late in the game, a back
shoulder to Divine to Adams versus Stingly.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
That was as good as you're going to see.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Okay, here's a guy. The numbers may not impress you,
but Jay Mack and I talked about this. I was
kind of blown away by cam Ward. You had to
watch the game, but he made a couple of times
and I'm like, Okay, Denver's pass rush maybe the best
in the league. It was a sea of orange on
virtually every snap.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
I thought cam Ward seeing the field and accurately delivering
the ball, considering the pass rush, considering the altitude, it's
an opener. I saw a lot I liked with cam Ward.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
I thought they were ups and downs, and I think
the ball placement has to become a little more precise.
You know, people got caught up in drops. There were
really only three drops. You know, when you throw a
ball and it hits a guy's fingertips, it's not a drop.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
So but he I thought he.
Speaker 4 (12:59):
Read the field pretty well.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
The one thing that he has to learn, and many
young quarterbacks this is not specific to cam Ward, and
by the way, I like cam Ward, as you know,
but one of the things he has to learn. Because
they actually did a really good job the coaching staff,
particularly in the first half, with their route designs. There
are a lot of opportunities. He has to learn in
the NFL what pressure is and what pressure isn't because
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in the NFL there's more bodies around you than in
college football, Colin as you know, because I know you
watch a ton of college football as well, so a
lot of quarterbacks when they get in the league, they
don't really have an innate feel for what pressure is.
And if a body gets close, but it's not really
pressure by NFL standards, they move and they break themselves down.
And he did that a few times and lost some
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big play opportunities. And then one thing helps for sure
learn is you can't retreat backwards. He had a couple
of times where he retreated backwards. You can't do that
in the NFL. You know that maybe Lamar Jackson's the
only guy.
Speaker 4 (13:58):
That can retreat backwards.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
So I thought it was ups and downs, but overall
I thought he stayed in the game well, like he
didn't get the sense that he was overwhelmed by the game.
But he's going to have to I think increase his tempo,
his mental tempo a little bit against the NFL faster defenses.
But I would say probably more positive than negative. But
it wasn't outstanding.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
You know, there is a I've always said this, I
have always feel I always felt that if the Ravens win,
my gut feeling if I didn't watch the game, which
I would of course, but my gut feeling would be well,
Lamar Jackson probably played pretty well. But if the Bills
win a big game, I'm like, well, Josh Allen was superman.
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But I'm told you say that that's a little bit
of a myth that their offenses at Josh Allen.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
Well, it's funny because they made a decision last year
that it couldn't be Josh Allen every week. It's tough
to play that way, by the way, every week, to
expect your quarterback to be superman and win every week.
This game dictated that, no question. And in the fourth quarter,
just a fourth quarter alone, Colin, he was sixteen for
twenty one for two hundred and fifty one yards.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
That's the fourth quarter. But the game dictated that.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
But last year they made a conscious decision to be
more balanced. And I don't remember the exact number, but
in terms of run pass ratio, they were like second or.
Speaker 4 (15:23):
Third in the league last year.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
In terms of their running game, so last year, it
was not the Josh Allen Show unless a game dictated that.
And obviously the game on Sunday Night dictated that, and
he made some big, big time throws. And what's really
interesting about Josh Allen is he's developed this sense of
understanding when he doesn't have to force the ball and
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when the game dictates that, hey, I've got to make throws.
And you know, he's developed that with experience. I think
this is his eighth year now, and he's a very
calm composed quarterback.
Speaker 4 (15:56):
But this game demanded that he make throws.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
The throw he made to Josh Palmer on the final
drive and then recognizing the zero coverage and hitting Coleman
for twenty five yards to make it a chip shot
field goal.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
Just two really good plays.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
All Right, we're gonna wrap it up with Justin Herbert.
Let's start with this before the big play. Yeah, what
have you seen? Now? What have you seen in terms
of what is Harbawd done to Herbert where it is
absolutely better for Justin than what he had with Brandon Staley? Like,
what is Harbaugh done specifically for Justin?
Speaker 3 (16:33):
Well, there's a lot that comes from Harbaugh and I'm sure,
Greg Roman, because they play a lot with the fallback
Scott and Matlack, who's a d end in college. So
they play out of twenty one personnel two backs, but
it's a fullback, not a running back.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
They're really heavy on play action.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
I think they had the best play action percentage in
the league this past week Week one. They did a
lot of that a year ago, and play action, particularly
when the quarterback is under center, to me, is a
much better way to deploy play action.
Speaker 4 (17:02):
Than in the gun.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
They're now using more motion as a part of their offense,
so there's a lot of factors that go into helping
your quarterback get clear, define reads. And the play that
I wanted to show and this came from Week one
against the Chiefs, and this is such a really good
example of the kind of.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
Things they do. And it was a chess match kind.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
Of play because when you play Steve Spagnolo and we
can take a look at the play now. It was
actually the touchdown pass to Quentin Johnston, so we can
take a look at it here.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
It is.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
This is the chess match play because when you place spags,
you get a lot of sort of zero coverage looks
and you know you're going to get that. So you're
going to see Herbert in the gun here there at
their twenty three yard line. It's going to be a
two by two set to start. It won't stay like that, Okay,
So what do you see? What does Herbert see? Initially
he sees two deep safeties, a two shell coverage. Now
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what's going to happen here, and this is what I
was talking about with the motion element. You're going to
see Ladma Cony on the right side of the formation
work across the formation. He's going to go in motion
and they'll see what the reaction is. Now they're going
to snap the ball before he gets all the way across,
so we're going to freeze it and you'll see. But
he's going to get all the way across the formation. Now,
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what's going to happen with the safeties? Because no corner
runs with him, the safeties bump over. So now you're
going to see the route combination. It's really it's three
man combination.
Speaker 4 (18:26):
To the top of the field.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
The critical piece here is McConkey works outside of Johnston.
So what do you get now with Johnston, He's going
to run an overrout but now because of the way
the Chiefs are playing this, he's going to run his
overrout against the safety Hicks. You'll take that any day
of the week. They got exactly what they wanted. It's
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really kind of what we call zero coverage because there's
no other deep safety here. So it becomes pitch and
catch because you get what you want Johnston, who can
run and is big against the safety. So beautiful design.
A great example of the chess match at work. And look, Colin,
I think you'd agree. You know, obviously people talk about
Herbert not winning quote unquote big playoff games, but in
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terms of sheer physical talent, you're dealing with a guy
that's top five in the league.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
Yeah, no question. Greg Cosel forty five, forty six years
at NFL Films as always on Thursday.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
Thanks Greg, Thanks con appreciate it. You know we.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
Always you know, throughout the course of a season people
put top ten lists a quarterback. And it was interesting
to hear Greg talk about Jordan Love. He's like in
terms of traits, arm size, movement, he's top five or six.
So we've hit on a green Bay's hit another quarterback.
But we are getting to a point. If cam Ward
is as good as we think, bo Nix is working,
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I think Drake May will work. JJ McCarthy looked pretty
interesting to me in the fourth quarter. Michael Pennix is
clearly a starting quarterback in the NFL. The hit. It's
always been fifty percent of quarterbacks in the first round
don't hit. But if you go to the last three
big quarterback classes, it's about seventy five percent, and next
year is another big class. And I think part of
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that isn't just the player.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
Some of it is.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
I think part of it is we have significantly better
and more offensive coaching today than fifteen years ago. The
hit rate for first round quarterbacks, I mean Jayden Daniels hit,
I would say after the JJ McCarthy fourth quarter hit,
bo Nicks hit Penni's absolutely a hit. Drake May didn't
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play well. I think he'll be fine. Hold on, Colin,
I'm sorry, I.
Speaker 5 (20:37):
Just have to ask.
Speaker 6 (20:38):
I heard you say, yes, they love Jordan Love in
Week one, but I thought I heard you say with
traits and all this stuff co Celtics, he's in the
top five to six among quarterbacks.
Speaker 5 (20:47):
Is that overall or just for certain things?
Speaker 1 (20:50):
No traits are size, mobility, arm. He's absolutely I mean,
he's got a great arm, and he's super athletic, and
he's big. His traits are and are not Josh Allen.
Speaker 6 (21:04):
Are we putting Jordan love In like among the top
ten quarterbacks?
Speaker 5 (21:08):
For sure?
Speaker 1 (21:08):
Now in terms of traits traits, okay, okay, the best
trades in the league are Josh Allen, huge, huge arm,
super mobile. Well, if he's the best traits traits, yeah,
well no, No, Mahomes has a huge arm, so does her
big enough the difference, Yeah, but you're talking traits in
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terms about athletic ability. Mahomes is more athletic. Justin's much
more mechanical. That's an easy one. Every scout will tell
you that Justin is still a bit mechanical. Mahomes is
the opposite of mechanical.
Speaker 6 (21:40):
Malmes and his dad Bod I mean, yes, mechanically, yes,
but I.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
Heard he's not a scoot. Yeah, but he is a
mechanical thrower. That's just what he is. Panics, by the way,
is a little bit like when it with Panics. He
is a pocket passer, but he's not, and he's a
fluid thrower. But in terms of trade, we're talking arm
size movement. Oh, I think Jordan Love's absolutely great.
Speaker 5 (22:04):
Interesting.
Speaker 6 (22:05):
Yeah, I like Love a lot, but I almost wonder
if we're going a little overboard off one week, because
remember there were a lot of questions about him coming
in this summer.
Speaker 5 (22:15):
How good is Jordan Love.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
Well, we know it.
Speaker 5 (22:17):
He was her last year.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
But it's interesting to note at the end of last year,
I think the numbers were, was it, nine touchdowns no
picks in his last four starts. There was something we
talked about the other day. So he doesn't one of
the things you get with Jordan Love, and this is
very rare. Aaron Rodgers had this, Mahomes had this where
you get the risk he'll make those back shoulder throws.
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He'll make those throws where nobody's quite open. But you
don't get a lot of interceptions with Mahomes. He did
ducky in the lack.
Speaker 6 (22:47):
Sorry, Jordan Love got lucky last week against the Lions.
Dropped interception big time. Well, well, but that luck.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
Remember every quarterback has dropped passes, Every quarterback has dropped picks.
If you look at Love's last ten starts, he just
doesn't throw a lot of interceptions, so he gets to
the and is willing to throw the ball dangerous seem throws.
I mean he'll throw the ball in the coverage. Don't
get picked a lot.
Speaker 6 (23:11):
I know we're only hour two, but you gotta take
on tonight's game.
Speaker 4 (23:14):
A score.
Speaker 5 (23:15):
It sounds like no, no, no, no.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
I like green Bay all right, three and a half.
I would take I think it's a close game. I
would say, my take is it's twenty seven. I would
not bet the game. I think it's twenty seven to
twenty three green Bay.
Speaker 6 (23:30):
Okay, alright, so the over and the I like that.
I'll go twenty four away. Fourteen Packers last eight.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Jordan Love starts half a season in a good division,
eleven touchdowns, no picks. That's not a small sample size.
So I know Mahomes was one of those guys. Aaron
Rodgers in his prime would run around, make throws, throws
in the coverage, and Aaron wouldn't throw picks, and Mahomes
wouldn't throw pay That's very rare. Usually you get the
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far where big arm moving, but you get picks with it.
Sam Darnold again really athletic. You get interceptions. Jordan's wrong.
I mean, just now, some of that's go floor. Some
of that is, you know, just the structure and the
coaching in Green Bay.
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Bro. Tom Brady joining Us Dundy previewing that Eagles Chiefs
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Speaker 4 (25:17):
News, Turn on the news.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
This is the headline news.
Speaker 5 (25:26):
Speaking of Phil Big Colin.
Speaker 6 (25:27):
Let's go to tonight's matchup Packers and Commanders. Jaden daniels Man.
What a rookie season and he looked good last week.
I didn't think he looked great, but also running the
football was very effective. One thing he hasn't done yet
in his career is play at Lambo Field.
Speaker 5 (25:43):
Tonight he gets a.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Shot be able to play a night game in Lambeaufill.
Speaker 8 (25:49):
You know, growing up you hear about the history of
Green Bay and everything, So I'm super excited to go
on that stadium and be able to experience that.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
Well, he has not only delivered, but it's surpassed through
eighteen games. Well, I mean, if you count playoffs, it's
over twenty. I in my lifetime, I have never seen
a quarterback this good, this early. Not John Elway, which
I vaguely remember, and not Andrew Locke, not Trevor Lawrence.
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This is the best quarterback through twenty games I have
seen in my entire life. Boys accuracy, mobility, smarts, leadership,
He's number one.
Speaker 6 (26:30):
Wait me, is it twenty starts? Because Patrick Mahomes sat
out a year and then when he came in year two,
he was unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
Patrick Mahomes had Tyreek Hill, Travis Kelsey, Andy Reid. He
was I would say more dynamic in terms of great plays,
but in terms of pre snap accuracy, fourth quarter, I mean,
I guess, I guess second place would be Patrick Mahomes.
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But Patrick sat for a that's a fair comment. Patrick
did sit for a year. So if you want to
count that, we'd probably do Mahomes one, twenty starts, Mahomes one.
I wonder what the numbers are Mahomes twenty starts Jaden
Daniels now Jaden again, bad roster, you know, defensive head coach,
you'd have to count that. But I want if you
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took the first twenty starts Mahomes, Jadan Daniels, what do
they look like?
Speaker 5 (27:22):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (27:23):
Obviously number three has to be Mark Sanchez, who took
the Jets as a rookie to the AFC Championship game.
Speaker 5 (27:29):
I remember, yes, obviously, real quick note tonight.
Speaker 6 (27:32):
I'm just telling you, guys, if you're watching closely, keep
an eye on this kid Cooper of the Packers, the linebacker.
I have a feeling, no inside information that he's going
to be spying Jaden Daniels. They will not let him
get loose and if you can keep Daniels in the
pocket and contain, I don't know that they can win
on the outside enough. Does Deebo Samuel scare you? He
was good in week one, but I don't know that
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he scares you in terms of separation.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
And I like the both both Terry McLaurin, yeah, who
signed late and Micah who was traded late. Watched them
have an impact. You know in week one we talked
more debo. Watch Micah play much more, far more snaps
and watch Terry McLaurin have a bigger Week two.
Speaker 5 (28:14):
It's a great Thursday night game. What are we doing next? Colin?
Speaker 4 (28:17):
What do we do?
Speaker 1 (28:17):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (28:18):
It's Josh Allen, who did not have a great start
to his career. I think fifty two percent as a
rookie throwing, but obviously he was tremendous in the Week
one victory.
Speaker 5 (28:28):
Heading into week two, he'll take on my.
Speaker 6 (28:29):
Jets who have a tough run against him, and Sauce
Gardner is looking forward to the matchup not at all.
Speaker 8 (28:37):
I don't really enjoy it, you know, you ever, as
a corner, you never really enjoyed playing against like running
quarterbacks who are quarterbacks that's capable of using their legs
and stuff like that. So, man, I'm looking forward to it.
Speaker 5 (28:50):
You know, he's a competitor, easy, he's a guy.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
The advantage to playing the advantage for the Buffalo Bills
and the Baltimore Ravens, and to some degree, like a
Jalen Hurts from Mahomes. It's harder to play man and
man defense. You're almost forced into playing zone because you
can't have cornerbacks turn their back. So one of the
great things about having an athletic quarterback, the big advantages
is you can kind of predict the coverage you'll see
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before the snap. It's very hard to play man and
man against Lamar Jackson or Josh Allen.
Speaker 6 (29:21):
Josh Allen, we have a couple numbers for you. In
the last three meetings with the Jets. Not great for
my Jets. Allen is undefeated with nine total touchdowns in
one pick.
Speaker 5 (29:30):
Now, listen, the Jets were a dumpter fire last year.
They fired sala whatever.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
Allen's been great against the Dolphins, Patriots and Jets. That's
not a Jets problem. He has dominated the division, great
against everyone.
Speaker 6 (29:43):
So you see the line six and a half. If
I get a seven. If you want to give me
a seven, I'm taking it with the Jets. I do
believe their run game which we saw against Pittsburgh. They're
gonna be able to run just like Baltimore did all
over Buffalo.
Speaker 5 (29:55):
And keep this close. Quick note color.
Speaker 6 (29:57):
The rookie that the Jets drafted in the top ten,
Membo from Missouri, number one graded right tackle in football
in Week one. Wow, he was tremendous and sometimes he
was maxed up against a gentleman named TJ.
Speaker 4 (30:10):
Watt.
Speaker 5 (30:11):
Okay, it's very interesting.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
So the Ohio State left tackle is excellent sens. Yeah,
so this is not a small thing.
Speaker 5 (30:20):
Oh wait, wait, you talk a Jets. So Fashanu went
to a Penn State, Penn State, Penn State.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
But the Jets now, for the foreseeable future and for
at least the next three to four years, have elite
tackles and are not paying them on a second contract.
So this is not a small thing because Justin Field
does not have a big money deal with the Jets.
So what it tells you is, right now, if the
Jets play well, and I was more impressed with the
Jets than I was Pittsburgh despite losing, Folks, This is
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not a small thing.
Speaker 5 (30:48):
And they got a young receiver.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
There does appear that the Jets have foundational tackles if
they want to resign them for the next ten years.
And there's not seven teams in the league that can
say that's a huge And it's also an attractive thing
if you went the free agent route for a quarterback,
an older quarterback. What did Tom Brady when he went
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to Tampa. His whole thing was, I like the old line.
You gotta get a right tackle. Jason Light got Tristan Wurfs,
Matt Stafford came to one of the reasons he came
to the Rams haveven Stein Wright tackle Andrew Whitworth left tackle.
So I mean, that's one of the attractive things in
the free agent market for quarterback. You can stay with
justin field, but if you went big game hunting, you
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can sell to a free agent older quarterback foundational tackles.
I like, that's a really attractive thing to Jets now.
Speaker 6 (31:41):
And they drafted the kid Tipman, the center from the
Big Ten. He's been kicked inside because of injuries. Listen,
young players Jets a Garrett Wilson, Breest Hall, Braylan Allen.
Speaker 5 (31:50):
They got a lot of young talent on this team.
You know that.
Speaker 6 (31:52):
Like you said, the quarterback is the missing piece. Final story,
Colin is the Dallas Cowboys cede lamb Rough opener against
Philly with four drops. George Pickens only saw four targets.
Remember he's in a contract year. A lot of people
waiting for him to start schirping. He had three catches
for thirty yards in the opener. Pickens has had some
problems in the past, but he seems unbothered by the
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lack of targets.
Speaker 9 (32:17):
I'm not really worry about to touch it is catches
all this stuff. I'm just trying to stay open Fortyeen.
Like I said, I'm trying to focus on like the
first win from my mind says for the team. Bro,
just get us a win. That's what I want to
feel first. So definitely get us a win.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
Can I give you a prop bet to consider?
Speaker 4 (32:35):
Please do?
Speaker 1 (32:36):
Why don't you go look at the over under on
CD LAMB catches this week?
Speaker 4 (32:41):
All right?
Speaker 1 (32:42):
What is Dak Prescott gonna do? He is gonna go.
Dak Prescott is gonna go big to CD Lamb to prove.
Don't worry about the drops, Bro, that's just what Dak
Prescott does. Watch Dak Prescott go heavy twelve targets to
CD Lamb.
Speaker 4 (33:00):
I like that.
Speaker 6 (33:01):
The only concern is the Giants pass rush could be
a problem.
Speaker 5 (33:06):
And I don't know if that.
Speaker 6 (33:07):
Means dump offs or tight ends. But I like where
you read is because Lamb. You know, he was Lamb basted.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
He's a great and go Look. So we think very
highly of the Eagles corners, do we not? We think
highly of them? Well, yeah, Ceedee Lamb had as much
separation as anybody week one, so Ceedee Lamb is getting open.
He had a bad opener. I think he also had
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like seven catches, so he had a bunch of drops,
but he had a lot of catches. Keep your eye
on Ceedee Lamb reclamation. He will be big in this game.
Speaker 5 (33:41):
I like it.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
Jmack with the news, the.
Speaker 4 (33:46):
News, and thanks for stopping.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
By The Herd Line News, Nick Saban is talking and
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Speaker 1 (34:02):
Tom Brady Last Hour. So I have speculated that if
Miami keeps losing, they can move Tyreek Hill and get picks.
And I Chris Greer's been their GM for a long time.
The roster is not good enough. I mean, if the
Cowboys can move Micah Parsons, then you know Miami can
move Tyreek Hill. And my takeaway is keep your eye
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in Philadelphia and AJ Brown. The last twenty games, nobody
has run the ball more than Philadelphia. The soul of
the offense is Saquon Barkley, the O line in Jalen Hurts.
I would argue they used tight ends about as effectively
as everybody else. So right now, Nick Seriani and Jalen
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Hurts have come out to publicly say I know he
only had one target. We are very proud of AJ
Brown for understanding. It was just one of those kookie
games where we didn't throw to a wide receiver but
one target. To me, the AJ Brown feels very much
like the Randy Moss New England Miami game. It's not
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about catches, it even target him. So here is a
J Brown on Sirianni and Jalen Hurts sending him flowers saying, hey, man,
we appreciate you understanding. You only got one catch.
Speaker 4 (35:19):
Oh, I didn't like it. I'm not honestly.
Speaker 9 (35:21):
I mean, it's cool to make an example out of it,
but I'm not in it for participation trophies.
Speaker 4 (35:26):
No, I don't like.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
Nah, I'm cool. I'm cool on that.
Speaker 4 (35:30):
I'm not answering that's a set up question. I'm not
answering that. I'll be honest about it.
Speaker 9 (35:35):
I'm not answering that.
Speaker 4 (35:36):
But I'm gonna focus on myself. I'm like my effort
and what I do.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
So and just remember New England needs a number one.
New England was slow, sluggish, and deliberate in Week one. Offensively,
Mike Frable has worked with AJ Brown, right, And remember
New England's a very young team, right. They're a pretty
young team because they're going to, you know, the draft
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picks are going to play, so they're going to have
a lot of young starters. What they don't necessarily need
is draft picks, right, What they need is somebody that
can come in and produce because that offense, Drake May's young, right, Like,
young players are going to have a better chance to
play for New England than a more established team with
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star players. So I think AJ Brown in New England
is in play. I think a J. Brown and Tyreek
Hill to Kansas City is in play. Greg Cosell came
on earlier and said they just don't have dependable intermediate
routes in Kansas City. Well, is that going to change?
They didn't happen last year, and Rashid Rice is still
five weeks away and Xavier Worthy is now hurt. So
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I and again, if Dallas would give up Micah Parsons
right before the season, don't be shocked if AJ Brown
and Nick Siriani is saying all the right stuff. Nick says, oh,
we're we're gonna get in the ball this week.
Speaker 10 (36:57):
They don't seeker about we always want to get the
ball too, you know, uh six and eleven, and we're
always trying to and so you know, we'll do an
even better job as coaches trying to make sure that
that happens. But what I do think, you know, and
that obviously starts with me, But what I do think
that we were on offense was very efficient. You know,
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the ball was moving forward consistently.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
I think what's also very clear is since last year's
bye week, nobody has thrown the ball less than the
Philadelphia Eagles. So remember A J. Brown only had three
receptions in the Super Bowl against Kansas City. This offense
has changed, and they just doubled down on it because
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they just made a trade for Tank Bigsby, the power
running back from Jacksonville. So it tells me that Howie
Roseman and they went and got another receiver right before
the season. So it feels like Howie Roseman, who is
much more proactive than react, and they went and got
Dotson last year as the AJ Brown drama was surfacing
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in the locker room. So it feels like to me,
Howie Roseman, why is he making all these moves in
mid August? They how do you? And by the way,
why did he give up a fifth and a sixth
rounder for Tank Bixby. My first takeaway that a fifth
and a sixth for a backup running back? Does Howie
Roseman believe because I'm going to get a fifth and
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a six back if I move AJ Brown or more.
That was one of those rare Howie Roseman moves. I'm like,
whoa dude, dud, dude, dude. And I know people who
have negotiated with Howie. He likes to win the trade
like everybody else. I thought a fifth and a sixth
was by Howie standards more than gracious? Does he know
he's going to get draft picks back?
Speaker 5 (38:46):
Just a thought, Colin? Can I challenge you a little
bit on this?
Speaker 1 (38:49):
All right? I'm fine?
Speaker 4 (38:50):
So what do you think?
Speaker 6 (38:51):
Let me let me just remind you when the Eagles
acquired AJ Brown, they got a first and it looks
like a fourth round pick eighteenth.
Speaker 5 (38:58):
Overall and one hundred and first overall, and.
Speaker 6 (39:01):
Then they had to pay him and they got to two.
Speaker 5 (39:03):
Super Bowls with him.
Speaker 6 (39:04):
Okay, what's a reasonable expectation if the Patriots called that,
you think would it would take to acquire a J.
Speaker 1 (39:11):
Brown second round pick? No?
Speaker 5 (39:14):
What come on?
Speaker 1 (39:16):
Man?
Speaker 6 (39:16):
So the reason they gonna pay offense I have to
well know him. Actually, he's he's under contract. There's an
out after twenty six, so he still has basically one
year left before.
Speaker 5 (39:26):
You can get off his contract. So you don't definitely
have to.
Speaker 1 (39:29):
Pay any would give up I would give up a
second and a fifth.
Speaker 4 (39:32):
Okay.
Speaker 6 (39:33):
So the problem with the Eagles if you lose AJ Brown,
everybody is just going to play zone defense against you.
Speaker 1 (39:40):
Right now, you have to play a lot of man
timeout time out. I'm gonna have two excellent backs the
best old line, a quarterback that runs. They use the
tight end as effectively as anybody in the sport. Dotson
Donovan Smith. That is still top three in the league
in offensive components. Davonte Smith is a one.
Speaker 5 (40:00):
Did you say Dotson?
Speaker 6 (40:01):
Come on, man, He's not is a one if you
mean by like one, a one hundred pound wide receiver.
I don't know he's a solid two, but I do
think a J. Brown like he can you can't play
man defense against him. He is unstoppable against man. Because
he's so, they don't they are.
Speaker 1 (40:17):
They don't throw the ball to him in their last
two games four three three receptions in the Super Bowl
one target.
Speaker 6 (40:25):
Well the Super Bowl game script, they were up like
three touchdowns most of the way, So I get that
done his.
Speaker 1 (40:30):
Since the bye, they throw the ball fewer times than
anybody in the league, including teams with bad quarterbacks.
Speaker 5 (40:37):
I'll just hat.
Speaker 1 (40:38):
Bigsby's acquisition tells me they want to double down on
the run game.
Speaker 5 (40:43):
Well, they do.
Speaker 6 (40:43):
Will Shipley, the backup who's good, has some kind of
rib injury.
Speaker 5 (40:47):
He's gonna be out for a minute.
Speaker 6 (40:48):
But Colin, I just I don't even think they'd be
number two in the NFC, if you trade AJ Brown,
I think they fall significantly like they acquired him, and
he was a lynchpin to getting to two Super Bowls.
Speaker 1 (40:59):
If I should find most important Eagles, I would say
saque One Hurts, two, Jalen Carter, three.
Speaker 5 (41:11):
Lane Johnson.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
Maybe I would say, well, I would say the two
tackles four and five. I'm not even considerate, and I
would argue, I mean, he's not a top five crucial
player for them.
Speaker 5 (41:23):
Okay, so hold on.
Speaker 6 (41:24):
Last year he missed a game. I think it was
a Tampa Bay game and they had no offense. They
got smothered in Tampa, like they need a J.
Speaker 4 (41:32):
Brown.
Speaker 6 (41:32):
Without him, they are definitely not elite in the NFC.
I don't even know that they are eleven win team
without maybe not even ten. He is that significant to them.
And look what happened when he left Tennessee. They fell
off a cliff.
Speaker 1 (41:44):
Tennessee didn't have any Saquon Barkley, they didn't have Jalen Hurts,
they didn't have that offensive line, a J. Brown, they
didn't have Devonte Smith, our three Tom Brady.
Speaker 4 (41:54):
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Here we go. It is hour two. It is a Thursday.
The Green Bay Packers are three and a half point
favorites tonight against the Washington Commanders. I think, I said
in my Hurt Hierarchy, the most impressive team I saw
in Week one was green Bay. Defensively, Micah only played
forty forty percent of the snaps. I thought they got
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Rashaan Gary. I thought they opened up matchups for other players.
I thought their offense looked good. I think green Bay
drafts so well. Their wide receiver and tight end talent
is exemplary. Whereas Philadelphia, we know they have a stack roster.
But I thought there were running lanes that the Cowboys found.
I thought both Ceedee Lamb and George Pickens separated from
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the especially Ceedee Lamb separated from his corner coverage. I
thought green Bay looked as good as anybody. And then
there's the other side of the coin Monday Night Football,
where the Bears looked really bad in the second half,
but until the fourth quarter, JJ McCarthy looked lost. And
with that Greg Cosel joining us as he's done for
a decade plus NFL films forty six years. So listen,
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the layups weren't there, the overthrowers were there. The one
positive takeaway I had with Caleb, Greg was that on
that first series a lot of underneath stuff. He didn't
get lured into throwing the ball down the field. With
Brian Flores, he kind of took what they gave him.
He moved, he made one nice throw to Romadnze, but
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it did feel like he wasn't seeing the field particularly
well well and he was missing on some layups. What
did the films say with Caleb Week one?
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Yeah, and I think that's fair, And I think that
early in the game it was probably by design that
they wanted him to take checkdowns and if that was available,
to get the ball out. But I went through that
tape pretty carefully. So what I decided to do Colin
was to read a couple of things that I typed
because that's what I do when I watch tape, I
take really detailed notes.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
So here's what I said. A couple of things.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
I said, Williams at this point in his development is
not a refined or advanced anticipation thrower. Then I also said,
Williams at this point does not play with the needed
clarity from the pocket that is demanded to effectively work
through progressions and deliver the ball within structure and timing.
And those things really showed up. Now again I'm watching
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this particular tape. I'm not making a judgment about his
entire future, but he's got things that need to be
clearly worked on.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
I'm sure they're working on them.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
He also has a habit discussed this last year as well.
He has a habit of climbing the pocket when there's
no pressure.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
So what he does is he creates his own pressure.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
And the result of all of this is there's too
many what we call turndowns throws that are there that
he does not make. And in any given week, Colin,
and you know this, can he make special plays because
he has a great arm and throws a beautiful ball.
Although he missed a lot of throws with poor accuracy
in this game, but he has a beautiful arm, and
he's obviously very mobile and can make plays outside of structure.
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But that's not the way you can live in the NFL,
as you know, week to week.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
So JJ McCarthy, let's just take out the pick six
in the first three quarters. What did he do in
the fourth that could materialize the rest of the season,
because clearly he gained confidence. You know what I said
Monday or Tuesday, I said, there's a little Baker Mayfield
that he plays with great emotion. Michael Pennix, for instance,
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does not. He didn't. Michael Pennix drops Tua, doesn't play
with huge emotion. But when I watched Baker and JJ McCarthy,
when JJ McCarthy hit Justin Jefferson fourth quarter on the sideline, literally,
his accuracy and velocity seemed to improve. He plays on
the sideline after the game. He's a very emotional player.
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So what did he do in the fourth that you
think he can replicate going forward?
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Well, it's funny you mentioned that throw that seventeen yard
are on the outcut to Jefferson, which was actually his
best throw. It was a far hashed, deep sideline throw,
sitting on his back foot and driving the ball. But
you know, watching that game, it made me think so
much about the connection between the offensive coordinator and the
quarterback because we're looking right now at Aaron Jones touchdown.
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That was a scheme to play and it worked. So
when a coordinator calls a play and the primary receiver
is open and the play breaks down the defense the
way you anticipate when you make the play call and
the quarterback execcutes it, which is what you want. By
the way, that's what every coordinator wants. Where do we
give the credit? Is the credit to the coordinator? Is
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the credit to the quarterback? You know, executing well designed plays?
Look what Sam Donold did in Minnesota last year and
now JJ McCarthy will reap the benefits of Kevin O'Connell
being one of the best in the league at being
able to do this.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
Now, obviously you want your quarterback to.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
Have confidence and feel like you can drop back and
make those throws. But it always makes me think about
the connection between the play caller and the quarterback.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
All Right, Kansas City is a home dog to Philadelphia,
and if they lose their own too, and that means
your chances of making the playoffs are about twelve percent.
So we'll get to Justin Herbert later. I just want
to I want to talk Kansas City. And this has
been like a year and a half. It's been about
a year problem. It feels like, to me, what are
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you seeing on film? Why does this offense is not
as domin on third down? It's less consistent? What do
you see?
Speaker 3 (06:05):
And again I can't tell you the reasons because I'm
not there, but what the film shows is they do
not have any true structured timing intermediate passing game. So
it's a lot of quick rhythm short throws, and it's
Mahomes making Mahomes plays where he gets out of the
pocket and either runs, which by the way, is a
significant part of their offense is scrambling, or he gets
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out of the pocket and makes great throws as he
did late in the game when he hit Brown I
think it was for forty nine yards and it appeared
as if they might come back and win that game.
But there's really not been And this goes back a year,
year and a half, Colin, there has not really been
a structured intermediate passing game.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
I mean they don't score a lot of points.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
The last two years, I think they've averaged about twenty two,
maybe twenty three.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
Their defense has been phenomenal.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
Their defense has been in the top five in points
allowed the last two years. So it's been kind of
an odd offense to watch. But we're all waiting because
he's done it so many times for Patrick Mahomes to
make special plays, and you know what, he'll make them.
The question is will there be enough of them now
over the course of seventeen games.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
I want to talk Green Bay. They play tonight, they
host Washington or field Goal Plus Favorite. So they were
the most impressive team to me that I watched offense, defense,
coaching structure. They have so many good tight end wide
receiver players that are not They're still on rookie contracts,
so a lot of their young players are not yet
entering their prime. They are so so talented and so young.
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So let's start with Jordan Love. What's funny, Greg, if
you ask most Packer fans going into the season, just
Packer fans, and you said, is Jordan Love great? I
think it's very split, don't We don't quite know what
he is? And my argument is he doesn't make a
lot of mistakes. He's got a live arm and live legs.
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There's a lot like what does the film.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
Say, Well, I think we know what he is and
you've just kind of hit it.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
You're dealing with a quarterback that's probably in terms of
physical traits now top six, seven eight in the league
for sure. And with more and more experience, he'll become
better at understanding when he can make throws when he
shouldn't make throws.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
He'll play within the context of a given game.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
But it's funny watching that tape both sides of the ball.
I was actually more struck by what Jeff Haffley did
on defense. Now, it might be a totally different defense
against Jane Daniels than Jared Goff because they are different players.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
So we don't know that.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
But the thing is they did as good a job
as I can recall with what we call late coverage rotation,
where the picture they showed before the snap of the
ball and they picture that they showed after the snap
of the ball was so totally different. And not just
with one guy we're all with safety move I'm talking
about with three or four guys moving totally changing the
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picture Now.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
As I said, Goff's a pure pocket player.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
It might be a totally different deal tonight against jayde Daniels.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
But I thought Jeff Haffley did a great job with them.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
By the way, they pretty much only rushed four all game,
hardly any blitzing, so they generated pressure with their down four.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
Yeah, and he only played about forty five percent of
the snap so that'll probably get up to sixty seventy. Yeah,
So that'll get up to probably seventy five percent of
the snaps tonight. Okay, Justin Field's played as well as
he's played. But let's talk Aaron Rodgers. Yeah, so they
don't have a great run game. I was called I
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once again. This is the seventh straight year of the
old line. But was there anything watching Aaron? Let's talk Aaron.
Was there anything that struck you about Aaron that that
impressed you or do you think I mean he was
hadn't been good and openers the previous three years.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
It was an odd game, and I'll tell you why.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
There were a lot of assignment mistakes by the Jets
and coverage. Either assignment mistakes or the design of the
play caused players to get out of position and so
it was a tough game to make a true evaluation
of Aaron Rodgers. I mean, he made a couple of
really good throws, obviously, but they were just you know,
it was really well schemed offensively at times, and then
the Jets just had some mistakes that you can't make,
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and it gave him a lot of pitch and catch throws.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
So, just being honest, it.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
Was not a game where I came away thinking good
or bad. We know we can make throws, that's not
an issue.
Speaker 4 (10:24):
But in terms of ky did he look great?
Speaker 3 (10:27):
There are a lot of wide open receivers, so you know,
I think a lot of quarterbacks could have probably made
the throws.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Yeah. Okay, so now I want to go to a
game that not a lot of people watched. But it
was funny because I rarely can I predict a game
to look a certain way. I can pick a winner occasionally,
but I said, Texan DRAMs, the defenses are going to
dominate each other. It's going to be incredibly low scoring.
It'll be incredibly ugly. That said, I thought Stafford actually
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played well despite the fact their old line was banged up.
What did the tape say on Stafford? Again? The score
doesn't tell the whole story story. What did the film
say with Stafford against a great Texans aggressive defense.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
Yeah, and again, Sean McVay is so good with his formations,
his use of motions, the way he expands own coverage
creates voice and windows for Stafford. But Stafford, I mean,
there's still not as pretty a thrower in the league
as Matthew Stafford. And he made a couple of throws
that were just big, big time throws, and you need
to do that through the course of a game. But
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they do such a good job overall with how they
put together their offense. The motion they use the tight
end and what we call short first motion to expand coverage,
and then they work the middle of the field exceptionally
well I mean Stafford. Look, you can always say if
a quarterback's protected, he's going to throw the ball well, you.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
Know, to the best of that quarterback's ability.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
But if Stafford's protected, because he's such an elite throw
over the football, he can just make really big time throws.
And he made one late in the game, a back
shoulder to Divine to Adams versus Stingly.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
That was as good as you're going to see.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Okay, here's a guy. The numbers may not impress you,
but Jay Mack and I talked about this. I was
kind of blown away by cam Ward. You had to
watch the game, but he made a couple of times
and I'm like, Okay, Denver's pass rush maybe the best
in the league. It was a sea of orange on
virtually every snap.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
I thought cam Ward seeing the field and accurately delivering
the ball, considering the pass rush, considering the altitude, it's
an opener. I saw a lot I liked with cam Ward.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
I thought they were ups and downs, and I think
the ball placement has to become a little more precise.
You know, people got caught up in drops. There were
really only three drops. You know, when you throw a
ball and it hits a guy's fingertips, it's not a drop.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
So but he I thought he.
Speaker 4 (12:59):
Read the field pretty well.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
The one thing that he has to learn, and many
young quarterbacks this is not specific to cam Ward, and
by the way, I like cam Ward, as you know,
but one of the things he has to learn. Because
they actually did a really good job the coaching staff,
particularly in the first half, with their route designs. There
are a lot of opportunities. He has to learn in
the NFL what pressure is and what pressure isn't because
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in the NFL there's more bodies around you than in
college football, Colin as you know, because I know you
watch a ton of college football as well, so a
lot of quarterbacks when they get in the league, they
don't really have an innate feel for what pressure is.
And if a body gets close, but it's not really
pressure by NFL standards, they move and they break themselves down.
And he did that a few times and lost some
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big play opportunities. And then one thing helps for sure
learn is you can't retreat backwards. He had a couple
of times where he retreated backwards. You can't do that
in the NFL. You know that maybe Lamar Jackson's the
only guy.
Speaker 4 (13:58):
That can retreat backwards.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
So I thought it was ups and downs, but overall
I thought he stayed in the game well, like he
didn't get the sense that he was overwhelmed by the game.
But he's going to have to I think increase his tempo,
his mental tempo a little bit against the NFL faster defenses.
But I would say probably more positive than negative. But
it wasn't outstanding.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
You know, there is a I've always said this, I
have always feel I always felt that if the Ravens win,
my gut feeling if I didn't watch the game, which
I would of course, but my gut feeling would be well,
Lamar Jackson probably played pretty well. But if the Bills
win a big game, I'm like, well, Josh Allen was superman.
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But I'm told you say that that's a little bit
of a myth that their offenses at Josh Allen.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
Well, it's funny because they made a decision last year
that it couldn't be Josh Allen every week. It's tough
to play that way, by the way, every week, to
expect your quarterback to be superman and win every week.
This game dictated that, no question. And in the fourth quarter,
just a fourth quarter alone, Colin, he was sixteen for
twenty one for two hundred and fifty one yards.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
That's the fourth quarter. But the game dictated that.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
But last year they made a conscious decision to be
more balanced. And I don't remember the exact number, but
in terms of run pass ratio, they were like second or.
Speaker 4 (15:23):
Third in the league last year.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
In terms of their running game, so last year, it
was not the Josh Allen Show unless a game dictated that.
And obviously the game on Sunday Night dictated that, and
he made some big, big time throws. And what's really
interesting about Josh Allen is he's developed this sense of
understanding when he doesn't have to force the ball and
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when the game dictates that, hey, I've got to make throws.
And you know, he's developed that with experience. I think
this is his eighth year now, and he's a very
calm composed quarterback.
Speaker 4 (15:56):
But this game demanded that he make throws.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
The throw he made to Josh Palmer on the final
drive and then recognizing the zero coverage and hitting Coleman
for twenty five yards to make it a chip shot
field goal.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
Just two really good plays.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
All Right, we're gonna wrap it up with Justin Herbert.
Let's start with this before the big play. Yeah, what
have you seen? Now? What have you seen in terms
of what is Harbawd done to Herbert where it is
absolutely better for Justin than what he had with Brandon Staley? Like,
what is Harbaugh done specifically for Justin?
Speaker 3 (16:33):
Well, there's a lot that comes from Harbaugh and I'm sure,
Greg Roman, because they play a lot with the fallback
Scott and Matlack, who's a d end in college. So
they play out of twenty one personnel two backs, but
it's a fullback, not a running back.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
They're really heavy on play action.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
I think they had the best play action percentage in
the league this past week Week one. They did a
lot of that a year ago, and play action, particularly
when the quarterback is under center, to me, is a
much better way to deploy play action.
Speaker 4 (17:02):
Than in the gun.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
They're now using more motion as a part of their offense,
so there's a lot of factors that go into helping
your quarterback get clear, define reads. And the play that
I wanted to show and this came from Week one
against the Chiefs, and this is such a really good
example of the kind of.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
Things they do. And it was a chess match kind.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
Of play because when you play Steve Spagnolo and we
can take a look at the play now. It was
actually the touchdown pass to Quentin Johnston, so we can
take a look at it here.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
It is.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
This is the chess match play because when you place spags,
you get a lot of sort of zero coverage looks
and you know you're going to get that. So you're
going to see Herbert in the gun here there at
their twenty three yard line. It's going to be a
two by two set to start. It won't stay like that, Okay,
So what do you see? What does Herbert see? Initially
he sees two deep safeties, a two shell coverage. Now
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what's going to happen here, and this is what I
was talking about with the motion element. You're going to
see Ladma Cony on the right side of the formation
work across the formation. He's going to go in motion
and they'll see what the reaction is. Now they're going
to snap the ball before he gets all the way across,
so we're going to freeze it and you'll see. But
he's going to get all the way across the formation. Now,
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what's going to happen with the safeties? Because no corner
runs with him, the safeties bump over. So now you're
going to see the route combination. It's really it's three
man combination.
Speaker 4 (18:26):
To the top of the field.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
The critical piece here is McConkey works outside of Johnston.
So what do you get now with Johnston, He's going
to run an overrout but now because of the way
the Chiefs are playing this, he's going to run his
overrout against the safety Hicks. You'll take that any day
of the week. They got exactly what they wanted. It's
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really kind of what we call zero coverage because there's
no other deep safety here. So it becomes pitch and
catch because you get what you want Johnston, who can
run and is big against the safety. So beautiful design.
A great example of the chess match at work. And look, Colin,
I think you'd agree. You know, obviously people talk about
Herbert not winning quote unquote big playoff games, but in
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terms of sheer physical talent, you're dealing with a guy
that's top five in the league.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
Yeah, no question. Greg Cosel forty five, forty six years
at NFL Films as always on Thursday.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
Thanks Greg, Thanks con appreciate it. You know we.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
Always you know, throughout the course of a season people
put top ten lists a quarterback. And it was interesting
to hear Greg talk about Jordan Love. He's like in
terms of traits, arm size, movement, he's top five or six.
So we've hit on a green Bay's hit another quarterback.
But we are getting to a point. If cam Ward
is as good as we think, bo Nix is working,
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I think Drake May will work. JJ McCarthy looked pretty
interesting to me in the fourth quarter. Michael Pennix is
clearly a starting quarterback in the NFL. The hit. It's
always been fifty percent of quarterbacks in the first round
don't hit. But if you go to the last three
big quarterback classes, it's about seventy five percent, and next
year is another big class. And I think part of
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that isn't just the player.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
Some of it is.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
I think part of it is we have significantly better
and more offensive coaching today than fifteen years ago. The
hit rate for first round quarterbacks, I mean Jayden Daniels hit,
I would say after the JJ McCarthy fourth quarter hit,
bo Nicks hit Penni's absolutely a hit. Drake May didn't
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play well. I think he'll be fine. Hold on, Colin,
I'm sorry, I.
Speaker 5 (20:37):
Just have to ask.
Speaker 6 (20:38):
I heard you say, yes, they love Jordan Love in
Week one, but I thought I heard you say with
traits and all this stuff co Celtics, he's in the
top five to six among quarterbacks.
Speaker 5 (20:47):
Is that overall or just for certain things?
Speaker 1 (20:50):
No traits are size, mobility, arm. He's absolutely I mean,
he's got a great arm, and he's super athletic, and
he's big. His traits are and are not Josh Allen.
Speaker 6 (21:04):
Are we putting Jordan love In like among the top
ten quarterbacks?
Speaker 5 (21:08):
For sure?
Speaker 1 (21:08):
Now in terms of traits traits, okay, okay, the best
trades in the league are Josh Allen, huge, huge arm,
super mobile. Well, if he's the best traits traits, yeah,
well no, No, Mahomes has a huge arm, so does her
big enough the difference, Yeah, but you're talking traits in
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terms about athletic ability. Mahomes is more athletic. Justin's much
more mechanical. That's an easy one. Every scout will tell
you that Justin is still a bit mechanical. Mahomes is
the opposite of mechanical.
Speaker 6 (21:40):
Malmes and his dad Bod I mean, yes, mechanically, yes,
but I.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
Heard he's not a scoot. Yeah, but he is a
mechanical thrower. That's just what he is. Panics, by the way,
is a little bit like when it with Panics. He
is a pocket passer, but he's not, and he's a
fluid thrower. But in terms of trade, we're talking arm
size movement. Oh, I think Jordan Love's absolutely great.
Speaker 5 (22:04):
Interesting.
Speaker 6 (22:05):
Yeah, I like Love a lot, but I almost wonder
if we're going a little overboard off one week, because
remember there were a lot of questions about him coming
in this summer.
Speaker 5 (22:15):
How good is Jordan Love.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
Well, we know it.
Speaker 5 (22:17):
He was her last year.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
But it's interesting to note at the end of last year,
I think the numbers were, was it, nine touchdowns no
picks in his last four starts. There was something we
talked about the other day. So he doesn't one of
the things you get with Jordan Love, and this is
very rare. Aaron Rodgers had this, Mahomes had this where
you get the risk he'll make those back shoulder throws.
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He'll make those throws where nobody's quite open. But you
don't get a lot of interceptions with Mahomes. He did
ducky in the lack.
Speaker 6 (22:47):
Sorry, Jordan Love got lucky last week against the Lions.
Dropped interception big time. Well, well, but that luck.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
Remember every quarterback has dropped passes, Every quarterback has dropped picks.
If you look at Love's last ten starts, he just
doesn't throw a lot of interceptions, so he gets to
the and is willing to throw the ball dangerous seem throws.
I mean he'll throw the ball in the coverage. Don't
get picked a lot.
Speaker 6 (23:11):
I know we're only hour two, but you gotta take
on tonight's game.
Speaker 4 (23:14):
A score.
Speaker 5 (23:15):
It sounds like no, no, no, no.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
I like green Bay all right, three and a half.
I would take I think it's a close game. I
would say, my take is it's twenty seven. I would
not bet the game. I think it's twenty seven to
twenty three green Bay.
Speaker 6 (23:30):
Okay, alright, so the over and the I like that.
I'll go twenty four away. Fourteen Packers last eight.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Jordan Love starts half a season in a good division,
eleven touchdowns, no picks. That's not a small sample size.
So I know Mahomes was one of those guys. Aaron
Rodgers in his prime would run around, make throws, throws
in the coverage, and Aaron wouldn't throw picks, and Mahomes
wouldn't throw pay That's very rare. Usually you get the
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far where big arm moving, but you get picks with it.
Sam Darnold again really athletic. You get interceptions. Jordan's wrong.
I mean, just now, some of that's go floor. Some
of that is, you know, just the structure and the
coaching in Green Bay.
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Speaker 1 (25:01):
Bro. Tom Brady joining Us Dundy previewing that Eagles Chiefs
game Sunday at Fox. Some games just feel big. That's
one of them. Jmack with the.
Speaker 4 (25:17):
News, Turn on the news.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
This is the headline news.
Speaker 5 (25:26):
Speaking of Phil Big Colin.
Speaker 6 (25:27):
Let's go to tonight's matchup Packers and Commanders. Jaden daniels Man.
What a rookie season and he looked good last week.
I didn't think he looked great, but also running the
football was very effective. One thing he hasn't done yet
in his career is play at Lambo Field.
Speaker 5 (25:43):
Tonight he gets a.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Shot be able to play a night game in Lambeaufill.
Speaker 8 (25:49):
You know, growing up you hear about the history of
Green Bay and everything, So I'm super excited to go
on that stadium and be able to experience that.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
Well, he has not only delivered, but it's surpassed through
eighteen games. Well, I mean, if you count playoffs, it's
over twenty. I in my lifetime, I have never seen
a quarterback this good, this early. Not John Elway, which
I vaguely remember, and not Andrew Locke, not Trevor Lawrence.
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This is the best quarterback through twenty games I have
seen in my entire life. Boys accuracy, mobility, smarts, leadership,
He's number one.
Speaker 6 (26:30):
Wait me, is it twenty starts? Because Patrick Mahomes sat
out a year and then when he came in year two,
he was unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
Patrick Mahomes had Tyreek Hill, Travis Kelsey, Andy Reid. He
was I would say more dynamic in terms of great plays,
but in terms of pre snap accuracy, fourth quarter, I mean,
I guess, I guess second place would be Patrick Mahomes.
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But Patrick sat for a that's a fair comment. Patrick
did sit for a year. So if you want to
count that, we'd probably do Mahomes one, twenty starts, Mahomes one.
I wonder what the numbers are Mahomes twenty starts Jaden
Daniels now Jaden again, bad roster, you know, defensive head coach,
you'd have to count that. But I want if you
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took the first twenty starts Mahomes, Jadan Daniels, what do
they look like?
Speaker 5 (27:22):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (27:23):
Obviously number three has to be Mark Sanchez, who took
the Jets as a rookie to the AFC Championship game.
Speaker 5 (27:29):
I remember, yes, obviously, real quick note tonight.
Speaker 6 (27:32):
I'm just telling you, guys, if you're watching closely, keep
an eye on this kid Cooper of the Packers, the linebacker.
I have a feeling, no inside information that he's going
to be spying Jaden Daniels. They will not let him
get loose and if you can keep Daniels in the
pocket and contain, I don't know that they can win
on the outside enough. Does Deebo Samuel scare you? He
was good in week one, but I don't know that
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he scares you in terms of separation.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
And I like the both both Terry McLaurin, yeah, who
signed late and Micah who was traded late. Watched them
have an impact. You know in week one we talked
more debo. Watch Micah play much more, far more snaps
and watch Terry McLaurin have a bigger Week two.
Speaker 5 (28:14):
It's a great Thursday night game. What are we doing next? Colin?
Speaker 4 (28:17):
What do we do?
Speaker 1 (28:17):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (28:18):
It's Josh Allen, who did not have a great start
to his career. I think fifty two percent as a
rookie throwing, but obviously he was tremendous in the Week
one victory.
Speaker 5 (28:28):
Heading into week two, he'll take on my.
Speaker 6 (28:29):
Jets who have a tough run against him, and Sauce
Gardner is looking forward to the matchup not at all.
Speaker 8 (28:37):
I don't really enjoy it, you know, you ever, as
a corner, you never really enjoyed playing against like running
quarterbacks who are quarterbacks that's capable of using their legs
and stuff like that. So, man, I'm looking forward to it.
Speaker 5 (28:50):
You know, he's a competitor, easy, he's a guy.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
The advantage to playing the advantage for the Buffalo Bills
and the Baltimore Ravens, and to some degree, like a
Jalen Hurts from Mahomes. It's harder to play man and
man defense. You're almost forced into playing zone because you
can't have cornerbacks turn their back. So one of the
great things about having an athletic quarterback, the big advantages
is you can kind of predict the coverage you'll see
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before the snap. It's very hard to play man and
man against Lamar Jackson or Josh Allen.
Speaker 6 (29:21):
Josh Allen, we have a couple numbers for you. In
the last three meetings with the Jets. Not great for
my Jets. Allen is undefeated with nine total touchdowns in
one pick.
Speaker 5 (29:30):
Now, listen, the Jets were a dumpter fire last year.
They fired sala whatever.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
Allen's been great against the Dolphins, Patriots and Jets. That's
not a Jets problem. He has dominated the division, great
against everyone.
Speaker 6 (29:43):
So you see the line six and a half. If
I get a seven. If you want to give me
a seven, I'm taking it with the Jets. I do
believe their run game which we saw against Pittsburgh. They're
gonna be able to run just like Baltimore did all
over Buffalo.
Speaker 5 (29:55):
And keep this close. Quick note color.
Speaker 6 (29:57):
The rookie that the Jets drafted in the top ten,
Membo from Missouri, number one graded right tackle in football
in Week one. Wow, he was tremendous and sometimes he
was maxed up against a gentleman named TJ.
Speaker 4 (30:10):
Watt.
Speaker 5 (30:11):
Okay, it's very interesting.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
So the Ohio State left tackle is excellent sens. Yeah,
so this is not a small thing.
Speaker 5 (30:20):
Oh wait, wait, you talk a Jets. So Fashanu went
to a Penn State, Penn State, Penn State.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
But the Jets now, for the foreseeable future and for
at least the next three to four years, have elite
tackles and are not paying them on a second contract.
So this is not a small thing because Justin Field
does not have a big money deal with the Jets.
So what it tells you is, right now, if the
Jets play well, and I was more impressed with the
Jets than I was Pittsburgh despite losing, Folks, This is
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not a small thing.
Speaker 5 (30:48):
And they got a young receiver.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
There does appear that the Jets have foundational tackles if
they want to resign them for the next ten years.
And there's not seven teams in the league that can
say that's a huge And it's also an attractive thing
if you went the free agent route for a quarterback,
an older quarterback. What did Tom Brady when he went
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to Tampa. His whole thing was, I like the old line.
You gotta get a right tackle. Jason Light got Tristan Wurfs,
Matt Stafford came to one of the reasons he came
to the Rams haveven Stein Wright tackle Andrew Whitworth left tackle.
So I mean, that's one of the attractive things in
the free agent market for quarterback. You can stay with
justin field, but if you went big game hunting, you
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can sell to a free agent older quarterback foundational tackles.
I like, that's a really attractive thing to Jets now.
Speaker 6 (31:41):
And they drafted the kid Tipman, the center from the
Big Ten. He's been kicked inside because of injuries. Listen,
young players Jets a Garrett Wilson, Breest Hall, Braylan Allen.
Speaker 5 (31:50):
They got a lot of young talent on this team.
You know that.
Speaker 6 (31:52):
Like you said, the quarterback is the missing piece. Final story,
Colin is the Dallas Cowboys cede lamb Rough opener against
Philly with four drops. George Pickens only saw four targets.
Remember he's in a contract year. A lot of people
waiting for him to start schirping. He had three catches
for thirty yards in the opener. Pickens has had some
problems in the past, but he seems unbothered by the
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lack of targets.
Speaker 9 (32:17):
I'm not really worry about to touch it is catches
all this stuff. I'm just trying to stay open Fortyeen.
Like I said, I'm trying to focus on like the
first win from my mind says for the team. Bro,
just get us a win. That's what I want to
feel first. So definitely get us a win.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
Can I give you a prop bet to consider?
Speaker 4 (32:35):
Please do?
Speaker 1 (32:36):
Why don't you go look at the over under on
CD LAMB catches this week?
Speaker 4 (32:41):
All right?
Speaker 1 (32:42):
What is Dak Prescott gonna do? He is gonna go.
Dak Prescott is gonna go big to CD Lamb to prove.
Don't worry about the drops, Bro, that's just what Dak
Prescott does. Watch Dak Prescott go heavy twelve targets to
CD Lamb.
Speaker 4 (33:00):
I like that.
Speaker 6 (33:01):
The only concern is the Giants pass rush could be
a problem.
Speaker 5 (33:06):
And I don't know if that.
Speaker 6 (33:07):
Means dump offs or tight ends. But I like where
you read is because Lamb. You know, he was Lamb basted.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
He's a great and go Look. So we think very
highly of the Eagles corners, do we not? We think
highly of them? Well, yeah, Ceedee Lamb had as much
separation as anybody week one, so Ceedee Lamb is getting open.
He had a bad opener. I think he also had
(33:33):
like seven catches, so he had a bunch of drops,
but he had a lot of catches. Keep your eye
on Ceedee Lamb reclamation. He will be big in this game.
Speaker 5 (33:41):
I like it.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
Jmack with the news, the.
Speaker 4 (33:46):
News, and thanks for stopping.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
By The Herd Line News, Nick Saban is talking and
more thoughts on AJ Brown next the Herd.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays
and noone Easter, not a Empacific.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
Tom Brady Last Hour. So I have speculated that if
Miami keeps losing, they can move Tyreek Hill and get picks.
And I Chris Greer's been their GM for a long time.
The roster is not good enough. I mean, if the
Cowboys can move Micah Parsons, then you know Miami can
move Tyreek Hill. And my takeaway is keep your eye
(34:23):
in Philadelphia and AJ Brown. The last twenty games, nobody
has run the ball more than Philadelphia. The soul of
the offense is Saquon Barkley, the O line in Jalen Hurts.
I would argue they used tight ends about as effectively
as everybody else. So right now, Nick Seriani and Jalen
(34:44):
Hurts have come out to publicly say I know he
only had one target. We are very proud of AJ
Brown for understanding. It was just one of those kookie
games where we didn't throw to a wide receiver but
one target. To me, the AJ Brown feels very much
like the Randy Moss New England Miami game. It's not
(35:07):
about catches, it even target him. So here is a
J Brown on Sirianni and Jalen Hurts sending him flowers saying, hey, man,
we appreciate you understanding. You only got one catch.
Speaker 4 (35:19):
Oh, I didn't like it. I'm not honestly.
Speaker 9 (35:21):
I mean, it's cool to make an example out of it,
but I'm not in it for participation trophies.
Speaker 4 (35:26):
No, I don't like.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
Nah, I'm cool. I'm cool on that.
Speaker 4 (35:30):
I'm not answering that's a set up question. I'm not
answering that. I'll be honest about it.
Speaker 9 (35:35):
I'm not answering that.
Speaker 4 (35:36):
But I'm gonna focus on myself. I'm like my effort
and what I do.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
So and just remember New England needs a number one.
New England was slow, sluggish, and deliberate in Week one. Offensively,
Mike Frable has worked with AJ Brown, right, And remember
New England's a very young team, right. They're a pretty
young team because they're going to, you know, the draft
(36:02):
picks are going to play, so they're going to have
a lot of young starters. What they don't necessarily need
is draft picks, right, What they need is somebody that
can come in and produce because that offense, Drake May's young, right, Like,
young players are going to have a better chance to
play for New England than a more established team with
(36:22):
star players. So I think AJ Brown in New England
is in play. I think a J. Brown and Tyreek
Hill to Kansas City is in play. Greg Cosell came
on earlier and said they just don't have dependable intermediate
routes in Kansas City. Well, is that going to change?
They didn't happen last year, and Rashid Rice is still
five weeks away and Xavier Worthy is now hurt. So
(36:45):
I and again, if Dallas would give up Micah Parsons
right before the season, don't be shocked if AJ Brown
and Nick Siriani is saying all the right stuff. Nick says, oh,
we're we're gonna get in the ball this week.
Speaker 10 (36:57):
They don't seeker about we always want to get the
ball too, you know, uh six and eleven, and we're
always trying to and so you know, we'll do an
even better job as coaches trying to make sure that
that happens. But what I do think, you know, and
that obviously starts with me, But what I do think
that we were on offense was very efficient. You know,
(37:19):
the ball was moving forward consistently.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
I think what's also very clear is since last year's
bye week, nobody has thrown the ball less than the
Philadelphia Eagles. So remember A J. Brown only had three
receptions in the Super Bowl against Kansas City. This offense
has changed, and they just doubled down on it because
(37:43):
they just made a trade for Tank Bigsby, the power
running back from Jacksonville. So it tells me that Howie
Roseman and they went and got another receiver right before
the season. So it feels like Howie Roseman, who is
much more proactive than react, and they went and got
Dotson last year as the AJ Brown drama was surfacing
(38:05):
in the locker room. So it feels like to me,
Howie Roseman, why is he making all these moves in
mid August? They how do you? And by the way,
why did he give up a fifth and a sixth
rounder for Tank Bixby. My first takeaway that a fifth
and a sixth for a backup running back? Does Howie
Roseman believe because I'm going to get a fifth and
(38:25):
a six back if I move AJ Brown or more.
That was one of those rare Howie Roseman moves. I'm like,
whoa dude, dud, dude, dude. And I know people who
have negotiated with Howie. He likes to win the trade
like everybody else. I thought a fifth and a sixth
was by Howie standards more than gracious? Does he know
he's going to get draft picks back?
Speaker 5 (38:46):
Just a thought, Colin? Can I challenge you a little
bit on this?
Speaker 1 (38:49):
All right? I'm fine?
Speaker 4 (38:50):
So what do you think?
Speaker 6 (38:51):
Let me let me just remind you when the Eagles
acquired AJ Brown, they got a first and it looks
like a fourth round pick eighteenth.
Speaker 5 (38:58):
Overall and one hundred and first overall, and.
Speaker 6 (39:01):
Then they had to pay him and they got to two.
Speaker 5 (39:03):
Super Bowls with him.
Speaker 6 (39:04):
Okay, what's a reasonable expectation if the Patriots called that,
you think would it would take to acquire a J.
Speaker 1 (39:11):
Brown second round pick? No?
Speaker 5 (39:14):
What come on?
Speaker 1 (39:16):
Man?
Speaker 6 (39:16):
So the reason they gonna pay offense I have to
well know him. Actually, he's he's under contract. There's an
out after twenty six, so he still has basically one
year left before.
Speaker 5 (39:26):
You can get off his contract. So you don't definitely
have to.
Speaker 1 (39:29):
Pay any would give up I would give up a
second and a fifth.
Speaker 4 (39:32):
Okay.
Speaker 6 (39:33):
So the problem with the Eagles if you lose AJ Brown,
everybody is just going to play zone defense against you.
Speaker 1 (39:40):
Right now, you have to play a lot of man
timeout time out. I'm gonna have two excellent backs the
best old line, a quarterback that runs. They use the
tight end as effectively as anybody in the sport. Dotson
Donovan Smith. That is still top three in the league
in offensive components. Davonte Smith is a one.
Speaker 5 (40:00):
Did you say Dotson?
Speaker 6 (40:01):
Come on, man, He's not is a one if you
mean by like one, a one hundred pound wide receiver.
I don't know he's a solid two, but I do
think a J. Brown like he can you can't play
man defense against him. He is unstoppable against man. Because
he's so, they don't they are.
Speaker 1 (40:17):
They don't throw the ball to him in their last
two games four three three receptions in the Super Bowl
one target.
Speaker 6 (40:25):
Well the Super Bowl game script, they were up like
three touchdowns most of the way, So I get that
done his.
Speaker 1 (40:30):
Since the bye, they throw the ball fewer times than
anybody in the league, including teams with bad quarterbacks.
Speaker 5 (40:37):
I'll just hat.
Speaker 1 (40:38):
Bigsby's acquisition tells me they want to double down on
the run game.
Speaker 5 (40:43):
Well, they do.
Speaker 6 (40:43):
Will Shipley, the backup who's good, has some kind of
rib injury.
Speaker 5 (40:47):
He's gonna be out for a minute.
Speaker 6 (40:48):
But Colin, I just I don't even think they'd be
number two in the NFC, if you trade AJ Brown,
I think they fall significantly like they acquired him, and
he was a lynchpin to getting to two Super Bowls.
Speaker 1 (40:59):
If I should find most important Eagles, I would say
saque One Hurts, two, Jalen Carter, three.
Speaker 5 (41:11):
Lane Johnson.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
Maybe I would say, well, I would say the two
tackles four and five. I'm not even considerate, and I
would argue, I mean, he's not a top five crucial
player for them.
Speaker 5 (41:23):
Okay, so hold on.
Speaker 6 (41:24):
Last year he missed a game. I think it was
a Tampa Bay game and they had no offense. They
got smothered in Tampa, like they need a J.
Speaker 4 (41:32):
Brown.
Speaker 6 (41:32):
Without him, they are definitely not elite in the NFC.
I don't even know that they are eleven win team
without maybe not even ten. He is that significant to them.
And look what happened when he left Tennessee. They fell
off a cliff.
Speaker 1 (41:44):
Tennessee didn't have any Saquon Barkley, they didn't have Jalen Hurts,
they didn't have that offensive line, a J. Brown, they
didn't have Devonte Smith, our three Tom Brady.
Speaker 4 (41:54):
That
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