Colin tells you why he was right about Aaron Rodgers with the Steelers and wrong about Cowboys quarterback Dak Prescott
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Speaker 3 (00:26):
Here we go. It's hour two. It is a Monday.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Matt Hasselback five minutes away.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
It's The Herd.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
We're live in Chicago tonight, Monday Night Football. I think
the Raiders and Chargers is gonna be really interesting. I
think it's close. Kansas City gets a break. Denver gave
a game away and either the Raiders or the Chargers
are losing tonight. So a little bit of a break
for the Kansas City Chiefs, who have been the reigning
dynasty in this league. But we got young quarterbacks struggling
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the Pittsburgh Steelers.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
What are they? Jmac?
Speaker 1 (00:57):
What a fun, fun weekend. It was like college football weekend.
Chicago is losing patients fast with Caleb Williams.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
Yeah, kind of like Clemson's losing faith quickly in their coach.
We gotta get to that on Wednesday with Clatt if
he drops.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
By, here we go Colin Wright, Colin wrong on a Monday,
plenty of both.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Let's begin where Colin was right. Well, the Chiefs.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
We predicted that they would be thin offensively, and they
may make the playoffs, but it will only be as
a wild card team.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
They're just not as explosive.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Some of that is the Rashi Rice suspension and that
Xavier Worthy injury. I think they will get better offensively,
but Travis Kelsey's last two weeks he heard a teammate
and then dropped that Cats, which became almost a pick six.
They cannot run the ball. The Holmes, as I said earlier,
is like keeping the lights on in this shopping mall.
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He's the only thing that's working. So we called this regression.
You probably called it too. Where Colin was wrong. I
didn't think Caleb Williams was necessarily going to be a superstar.
I didn't think it would look like this. His passer
rating now is lower than Spencer Rattler. And we know
it's not Ben Johnson because his first two opening drives
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he's two for two or two touchdowns. So when he's
on script, he's been excellent, but ad libs too much,
holds the ball too long, which is a problem for
some young quarterbacks, and then too often just throws it
to nobody.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
It is much worse than I would have thought.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Where Colin was right, I.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Said, Aaron Rodgers to the Steelers will look like a
glossier version of Aaron Rodgers to the Jets.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
They won't be able to run the ball.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
It'll be a team that makes mistakes and loses games
they should win. And the defense, though expensive, won't be
as dominant as you think it could be. And oh yeah,
Aaron after the game, just like he didn't, New York
is already calling out teammates.
Speaker 5 (03:03):
Cayle's the best kid ever. But he probably should have
just stayed in the flat there he knows it, I mean,
or he was kind of stealing it from Pat, or
just catch you put it away, score a touchdown. But
Cal's the best kid, and you know it sucks because
he's such a great kid. But unfortunately that whole sequence,
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you know, took points off the board.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Yeah, okay, where Colin was wrong.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
I had Denver winning the AFC West. They were sloppy
against Tennessee. They gave the game away against Indianapolis, Daniel
Jones carved them up.
Speaker 5 (03:44):
Man.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
They have really bad, dumb penalties, a lot of self
inflicted mistakes. You know, I love bo Nicks, but his
interception in the fourth quarter, they could have sealed the
game with a touchdown there. And again there were just
gassed defensively. And the Colts have talent Warren and Pittman
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and Pearce and Jonathan Taylor. The Colts have talent, especially
on offense. But I Denver has not looked good through
two weeks, where.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
When I put green Bay number one of my herd higherarchy,
people said, how can you do that?
Speaker 3 (04:19):
They're not that good. You're overreacting.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Then they went out two nights later and crushed the
Washington Commanders. Green Bay is absolutely the most complete team
in the league. Yes, better than Philadelphia because they've got
better and deeper young tight end and wide receiver talent.
Micah found a perfect team. They have depth, they have
the quarterback. I think green Bay defensively, this is the
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best Packer defense and certainly the most aggressive I can
remember seeing where Colin was raw the Texas Longhorns. I
had them in the National Championship against Penn State and
they are struggling offensively arch Manning and this offense is unwatchable.
They could not put u TEP away. Now they're missing
a couple of receivers and a couple of running backs.
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They've got injuries, but I mean, who are we kidting here?
UTEP doesn't have a player that Texas would recruit, and
they've got the biggest nil cachet in the business. I
don't know if it's mechanics or confidence, but arch Manning
is officially.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Off where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Mike McDaniel oh and two job in jeopardy, and I
think both Chris Jear the GM, Chris Greer the GM,
and Mike McDaniel probably need to be replaced. The roster
isn't good. The O lines a perpetual problem. I mean again,
special teams were even bad against the Patriots. The cultures wrecked.
The Bills are up next on Thursday Night Football, so
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presumably they're oh and three. From the very beginning, I
questioned if it was all about the sizzle and was
I getting any stake, And as of today, I don't
think I am where Colin was right. Football feels dead
when Nico im Aliava transferred from Tennessee. I said, what
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are you doing? Tennessee's a football factory. They got NFL
dudes everywhere. You don't transfer out of Tennessee to UCLA.
That's a huge mistake. And it was again. I'm not
saying Tennessee is Georgia, but Tennessee is a football factory.
They care, they're committed. UCLA's football nil is at the
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very bottom of the Big ten. So it's a cautionary tale.
I feel terrible for the kid. I think he got
bad advice. I think he's really talented, but getting routed
by New Mexico and if you watch the game, it
could have been worse.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
Is not good with that.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Matt Hasselbeck eighteen years and the NFL is joining US live.
You know, Matt, it's interesting. I watched Philadelphia last night.
It just cracks me up. They're four and oh since
last season when they throw for under one hundred yards,
which usually if you just look at a box score,
you're like, oh, this is a mess. Burn the film,
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it's almost like Philadelphia that passing often gets them out
of their rhythm. AJ Brown had five catches for twenty
seven yards. There is something about they're very comfortable playing big, strong,
ugly football. It feels like to me they kind of
love what they are. What do you see?
Speaker 6 (07:24):
Yeah, I see a good football team.
Speaker 7 (07:26):
And you know, I said this last year to you,
and you know, it's first and ten for everybody else.
It doesn't feel like first and ten for Philly because
of how good they are at the tush push, you know. Like,
so that gets a lot of attention, But I just
think it's an identity of who they want to be offensively.
And you know, when you play a great quarterback like
I remember doing this a lot, and go up against
a Peyton Manning or Tom Brady or somebody, part of
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your offensive philosophy is to just keep.
Speaker 6 (07:50):
That guy on the bench.
Speaker 7 (07:52):
Yes, and so like it's okay, you literally say it
in the meetings, like we're not going to try to
throw for three hundred yards this week or not, We're
going to just try to run for one hundred. Like
it's the mindset. It's not so much about the actual numbers,
but it's the mindset. We're gonna keep their great quarterback
on the bench. Not only does that help your defense,
I believe it actually frustrates that great quarterback and helps
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him and his offense get out of their own rhythm.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
So I want to talk about so you know, listen Detroit,
Ben Johnson leaves. It felt like Detroit said, all right,
we're gonna bounce a little bit here. And and I've
always defended team. It's not Jimmy Johnson. It's not my
job to make sure you're the game's close. But it
did feel like Detroit wanted to make a point by
bearing the Bears.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
Did it not?
Speaker 1 (08:39):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (08:39):
I did.
Speaker 7 (08:40):
I mean it almost felt personal, and I know it
wasn't personal, but you know, I think this is probably
the lesson for me in this game.
Speaker 6 (08:46):
You know, Ben Johnson said, Hey, I'm.
Speaker 7 (08:47):
Going to try to downplay the fact that I'm going
back to Detroit. You know, I'm going to let you
know cause I don't want my team to feel that pressure.
I disagree with that that that that philosophy. I mean,
I remember being, you know, on the Green Bay Packers
with Mike Hongrin is the head coach. When we would
go back to San Fran, his old thing, like he
just elevated the energy in the entire building, the same
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thing when he was in Seattle.
Speaker 6 (09:09):
We'd go back to Green Bay.
Speaker 7 (09:10):
You see it with other different, you know, coaches when
they go back to coaching against their old program, against
their own team, their old team. Like just the excitement,
the energy that it brings. It's almost like a playoff
atmosphere inside the building, sort of like Wednesday to Friday,
Wednesday to Saturday. And I think that's the better approach.
And you know, the Bears just look flat. Detroit treated
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it like Dan Campbell. You knew he would treat it.
And they came out and they looked like the team
that they were last year.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
You know, listen, you know this and I know this.
We've been married for a while. Is marriage is sacrifice
and it's.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
Fit, you know.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
And it's like you see these Hollywood power couples and
they both have great careers and it doesn't work right.
It's not they're bad people. I look at Ben Johnson,
who is a timing and structure coach. He's got some Shanahan.
He likes structure and timing. And I look at Caleb,
and Caleb after those opening drives, you know, he when
he moves out of the pocket, sometimes his head is down.
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He's looking for yards. And I know it's early Matt.
But it feels like from a fit standpoint, this may
not be perfect, It may not work.
Speaker 6 (10:18):
Well for Caleb.
Speaker 7 (10:19):
You better make it work because this is the best
play caller and head coach and quarterback whisper that you
could be with. And you know, he did have a
really good preseason game and the theme of that game
was rhythm. And by rhythm, you're meaning how many hitches
the quarterback takes in the pocket. Is it one, two,
three balls out or is it just one?
Speaker 6 (10:38):
The balls out?
Speaker 7 (10:39):
And some of the great quarterbacks that play in an
offense like this, that's kind of how you, I guess,
would evaluate.
Speaker 6 (10:44):
It when you're just watching it.
Speaker 7 (10:47):
You know, I think the other thing that you would
just say to Ben Johnson and de Kayla, like what
I would say to Caleb about Ben Johnson, just forget
whatever you learned in high school and college, forget whatever
got you here, and take this like beginner's mental. I'm
going to do it exactly the way that you're asking
me to do it, because if there is like some
sort of like you know, I'm doing it one way
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and the coach wants me to do it another way,
it's not going to work.
Speaker 6 (11:10):
And they're gonna move on.
Speaker 7 (11:12):
He didn't draft you. You you were there before him,
and so you better buy in and be all the
way on his program in terms of rhythm and timing, accuracy,
all those types of things. And I think he can,
but that would be the advice. You better be all
in all the time and just do it his way.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Let me simp So I watched Michael Penix and JJ
McCarthy and let me simplify it. Penix gets rid of
the ball fast, fast and accurate, and he's got a
defensive head coach. And then I look at JJ McCarthy
with the brilliant Kevin O'Connell, and he holds the ball
and he doesn't get rid of it fast. And I
do wonder if how much what percentage of quarterback play
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in this league is get it out of your hands?
Because Pennix is just see it boom out, and JJ
and Caleb and especially JJ, he doesn't let it go.
He doesn't let it rip. That he looks overwhelmed, that
he loses confidence. And I mean when I watch Panics,
I'm like, oh that works, That's what he did in college.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
It's see it, let it rip. Trust your confidence?
Speaker 1 (12:16):
Is that part of JJ's problem is he's just not
letting it go.
Speaker 7 (12:20):
Yeah, I think you're you're spot on with Penix. You say,
see it and let it rip. I think it's more like,
anticipate it and let it rip. You got to throw
it almost before you see it. And I think that's
one of the things that Michael Penix did great at
the University of Washington. He doesn't necessarily rely on his
athleticism and legs.
Speaker 6 (12:36):
He relies on his eyes, his.
Speaker 7 (12:38):
Anticipatory reactions, and then his accurate throws. So for sure,
I think the two young quarterbacks we talked about earlier,
Caleb and JJ, like they got to let it go quicker.
Going back to the rhythm and the timing. You got
to let it go on one hitch, five and one
hitch instead of five and two hitches. Sometimes young quarterbacks
can be a weight and see thrower. I want to
wait and see and then I'm gonna let it go
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and then you know, obviously there's some like just mandatory
things for quarterbacks on an outbreaking route, you can never
leave it inside.
Speaker 6 (13:09):
You talked about confidence.
Speaker 7 (13:10):
I think when you hold onto the ball, it doesn't
necessarily hurt your confidence as a quarterback. It hurts the
confidence of the offensive line. They might have done a
decent job in pass protection, but because you held on
and hitched it a couple, you know, one too many times,
it feels like they gave up a pressure when quite honestly,
maybe they didn't even give up a pressure.
Speaker 6 (13:28):
It just was you holding on to it.
Speaker 7 (13:29):
So that's something that you know, the young quarterbacks I
think struggle with I know I struggled with it. But
you look at the game's best quarterbacks over time, they
get the ball out on time and helps their team,
you know, stay on track.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
I was talking about this with my buddy John Middlcoff
last night. Is I listen, sometimes as a quarterback you
get hurt. It's not your fault, you get blindsided. But
when a quarterback like Joe Burrell or a Justin Fields
get hurt time and time again, and Eli Manning never does.
I do think a lot of a quarterback's health over
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the course of a career is are you good pre snap?
Do you see the blitzes coming, Do you get rid
of the ball quickly? Do you understand your personnel and
where to slide protection.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
And where not to?
Speaker 1 (14:16):
I don't think every injury for Joe Burrow is always
on the bad old line for the Bengals. I don't know,
it just feels like to me, we always blame the
O line, and it seems like the Brady's and the
elis they get down or they don't get hurt.
Speaker 7 (14:33):
Yeah, you're I mean, listen, protect the team by protecting yourself.
I mean you're onto something here. Obviously, this last injury
Yon Burrows. You know, I'm not saying it's his fault,
but you know, as a franchise quarterback, which he clearly
is one of the great players in the game of
all time, already, there's something too not being hurt. There's
something too not ending the season on IR, you know,
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like the great quarterbacks. You mentioned some guys, but whether
it's Brady or Breeze or Manning or Stafford, you know,
how many seasons do they end on IR. I think
that's something that they learn. You know, you see Tom Brady,
Peyton Manning, they throw a pick, are they going after it?
Making the tackle? Sometimes they live to play another play.
They just get down. So I think it'd be very
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easy to sort of blame the Bengals. All the Bengals
aren't spending enough money. They're not building you know, I
could blame the Bengals for maybe not building the.
Speaker 6 (15:22):
Whole roster properly but offensively.
Speaker 7 (15:25):
If they're going to give him the weapons talking about
Joe Burrow that they're given to him, I think one
of the best things that he could learn to do
going forward is understand that, hey, by protecting myself, by
learning to live for the next play, I'm really doing
my part to protect the team. And you know, I
love Joe. I love his style. He takes a bunch
of sacks, his eyes are downfield, he makes a bunch
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of big plays. He's willing to put his body on
the line. But at the same time, I think understanding
your value to the team, that might be an area
where you know he's gonna want to you know, I
think play a little bit more like those guys you
mentioned at Peyton Manning and Eli Manning because of his
value to the team.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
Finally, Mac Jones had his best game as a pro.
He had no George Kittle, Brandon aiyuk I said the
playbook by Shanahan should be called Quarterback for Dummies. It's
like everybody gets it. I mean Mac Jones did not
have a big arm. He's not super athletic. They asked
him to throw thirty nine times on the road. That
I mean like the Eagles with Jalen Hurst want him
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to throw at twenty three. It's almost double the throws.
And so I look at it yesterday and I'm like,
Mac Jones looked great. I mean, what does Kyle do
in terms of simplicity. He's got backup tight ends. You
know who are they? He's got to have some cheat code?
Speaker 3 (16:43):
Does he not? For quarterbacks?
Speaker 7 (16:45):
Well, if you were to talk to quarterbacks around the league,
I think you would hear this.
Speaker 6 (16:49):
I think you would hear that.
Speaker 7 (16:50):
Kyle Shanahan and Matt Lafloor are the guys that they
would want to go play for. And you see guys
try to resurrect their career by going and spending a
year with those kind of guys.
Speaker 6 (17:00):
And there are other guys.
Speaker 7 (17:01):
I'm sure Daniel Jones spent some time with Kevin O'Connell,
like there's other guys. But you saw what Sam Darnold
did when he went to San Franz, was there as
a backup, kind of resurrected his career. I'm sure that's
what mac Jones thought. Hey, listen, I'm gonna go do
that now. Am I going to overreact because of a
good game against the Saints? Like, No, not necessarily, but
this is why mac Jones chose to go there. This
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is why quarterbacks around the league sort of are jealous
about the play caller, the scheme. That is Kyle Shanahan,
that is Matt Lafleur. But to overreact and think that
maybe somehow, you know, like Brock Purties not like the
real difference maker on that team, like to me, I
think he is.
Speaker 6 (17:43):
But it goes hand in hand with a.
Speaker 7 (17:45):
Great play caller, great play designer, which they clearly have
in San fran.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
I got to ask you this one more thing.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
I don't know your injury history, but I said, whoever
Dak Prescott's surgeon is he didn't get paid enough.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
Dak is so rich, venated, his mobility.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
Is back, it's rookie or second ear Dak and his confidence,
his body language like Dak looked unbelievable yesterday, and the
Giants d line's pretty good and they don't you know,
ce d Lamps obviously a special talent, like he's really good.
But it's not a great personnel group up front for him.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
I always thought pro athletes off surgery had to play
their way back into confidence. I'm kind of blown away
by Dak through two weeks. Can you explain it?
Speaker 6 (18:33):
Yeah, I've heard you say it. It's the eye test.
Speaker 7 (18:35):
You see a guy right away, you can tell what
kind off season he had, you know, and there's off
seasons that you have that aren't really successful. I mean,
I remember I had one of those, I think eight
oh nine, and just like I didn't I looked at
myself and I didn't feel fast, I didn't feel explosive,
I didn't feel powerful. You've heard Dak Prescott talk about
this this talk about that this year, saying like, I
didn't like how I was last year, especially.
Speaker 6 (18:56):
As a runner, and so he's worked on that.
Speaker 7 (18:58):
I think he looks different physically, he looks different running
the ball.
Speaker 6 (19:01):
He's been great. He's been great.
Speaker 7 (19:03):
And I know this for a fact as a as
a player, as a quarterback, especially when you feel great
about your offseason training, when you feel strong and fit
and powerful and explosive, you feel confident, like you feel
confident as a player, you feel called you just feel different,
and I think your teammates feel it, and I think
there's an emotional intelligence that kind of like rubs off
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on the sidelines. If you watch Dak this year, he's
not like sitting on the bench, you know, getting drinks
and water and gatorad.
Speaker 6 (19:30):
And all that stuff.
Speaker 7 (19:30):
The whole time he's on his feet, he's dapping up
his teammates, he's walking up and down offense, defense, o line,
He's engaged. I just think that to me, that screams
like a guy that had a great offseason. Whatever he did,
it was great, and I think he should continue to
do that.
Speaker 6 (19:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
I mean I asked him to throw against that front
for the Giants fifty two times, and yet he still
had at the end of the game the energy to
peel all to throw fifty two times. In the NFL,
that is the calorie burn itself is insane. He peels
off or run in overtime and I'm like, dude, that
is all time stuff.
Speaker 7 (20:05):
That is Yeah, and having his legs is an important
piece to the puzzle of who he is as a player.
When he came in that rookie year, when he replaced
Tony Romo, he gave them a little bit of a
boost with the mobility, with the naked bootlegs and that
one scramble that just breaks the defense back when they
call the right play. So you know, that's an important thing.
And this is a dangerous team with a great kicker.
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They're saying his range is like seventy yards.
Speaker 6 (20:28):
Look look out for Dallas.
Speaker 7 (20:30):
They're a lot better than people thought before the season.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
All right, Matt hassel Beck as olhways, great stuff on
a Monday.
Speaker 6 (20:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
I mean you go, look, folks, when you ask a
quarterback to throw fifty two times in a pass rush
of the Giants and they're still scrambling for the first
down late, it's impressive. Matt Hasselbeck, thank you for stopping
by on a Monday. We still got a lot to
talk about. Mark Schlereth on that Bronco giveaway game, brutal.
I didn't think yesterday was a great day for officials.
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By the way, Dean Blandino came out on the said,
I'm over it. It's a very hard play. I think
that that's going to seize. That's going to be the
end of the toush push in the off season when
they when they raise their hands for a vote. When
the officials say we can't really officiate it, we can't
really clearly see it. I think that's I mean, that's
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the bottom line. A league starts with rules any sport
if I don't care what sport you are, if you're
creating the UFC twenty five years ago rules, and then
you have officials, right, here's our rules. Here's the people
who will officiate it, will teach them. Then we have
the athletes. When the rules and the officials are at
odds and the officials are saying, you know, we just
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can't see where's the ball. I mean, the Philadelphia looks
like they're nudging off sides and getting a false start
and nobody's calling it.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
That will be the end of it.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
Because Philadelphia can say we invented it, nobody can stop it.
But if the officials are struggling to officiate a play,
that's dangerous, and I think that'll be the end the
toush push in the offseason.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
Well wait a second, Yeah, for years the officials were like,
we don't know what it catches. I mean, the bobbling,
all this stuff. This is a little easier, Colin, just
because they ran it seven times yesterday and Chiefs fans
can't stop it. They're very upset. They're crying, why don't
we just put a chip in the football. That is
the easiest thing you can possibly do to get a
great spot. But people have been talking about this for years.
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And by the way, can't the officials just huddle up
and be like, hey, let's have it. Let's have an
official meeting. And this is how we uh we we
adjust to what the toush push is and we make
sure we do a better job of it.
Speaker 6 (22:34):
I don't like outlawing the.
Speaker 4 (22:36):
Best play in football, the most automatic, unstoppable play.
Speaker 6 (22:39):
I don't know why the rest just can't be better.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
I don't love it either. But and for the record,
other teams have tried it and failed. He does not
look the same with everybody else.
Speaker 4 (22:50):
I seen JJ McCarthy's trying last night. He's like, I
don't know what I'm doing. Like he looks scared to
kill Williams.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
Forget it. He doesn't know what he's doing. It's not
I mean, I know, it's interesting.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
So Travis Jason Kelsey retires best center in a decade,
and the tush push doesn't go backwards because what Jalen
Hurts is is the strongest quarterback pound for pound probably
in league history. There's been a lot of big guys
and a lot of tall guys and fast guys. How
many quarterbacks you know do a six hundred and sixty
pound leg press, and I think a huge component to this.
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He is shorter, he's stout, he's smaller. He gets an
incredible push. Now, their O line is excellent, but they
just lost the best center in a decade in the
sport and the tush push remains unstoppable. So it was
not Kelsey, It's Jalen Hurts who makes that puppy work.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
By the way, the Chiefs have Creed Humphrey, one of
the best centers in the league. Why don't they run
our Dutchess Lust's just give it us out there, Pat, huh.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
No, it's on.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
Jalen Hurts is just a weird combination of you know,
diminutive size. So you can't get Josh Allen's the most
talented quarterback in the league. Justin Herbert. I've seen him try. Well,
they're six five. People can headhunt with Hertz head down,
huge leg strength.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
There's nothing you can do. I mean, there's literally nothing
you can.
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Speaker 2 (25:07):
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Speaker 4 (25:13):
Let's revisit the Detroit Chicago game, Colin, because Ben Johnson
went home back to the lions Den since leaving for
the Bears this offseason and they got waxed. I mean, listen,
not his fault, but they got destroyed. Anyway, Brian branch
on the back end of the Detroit defense, he made
a great play yesterday He talked about getting revenge against
Ben in the post game.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
Very motivated.
Speaker 8 (25:35):
We know coming into this game that this is personal
really all these game personals, and but this one was
just we felt like we've been you know, betrayed from
the staff to the players, and you know, we we
love Ben.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
We still love Ben.
Speaker 8 (25:54):
He's a great, you know, coach, he has a he's
a great mastermind. But yeah, it was time to get
out to him.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
Yeah, and it went downhill really fast. And for the record,
I mean watching amor On Saint Brown and Jared Goff.
When you can work with a player like two committed
guys Goff and Amoran Saint Brown, and you can work
together for years and years because there's so much movement
jaymck in this league, quarterbacks and coaches and coordinators and
so even though Golf lost his coordinator, it's Jared Goff
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and amor On Saint Brown. You can see the time
they have dedicated to the craft. Those guys know where
each other is going to be and that is a
that right now is one of the best combos in
the league. Amor On Saint Brown was a fourth round
pick and Jared Goff, you know, got jettison by the Rams.
But I mean, I'll say this about Detroit, Dude, they
got weapons. They have drafted well because they got speed
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everywhere on this team.
Speaker 4 (26:47):
All right, So let's remember Bear's secondary was banged up,
got cooked against JJ McCarty in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
All right, so you knew golf was going.
Speaker 6 (26:54):
To go off.
Speaker 4 (26:55):
We talked about this. This was the biggest bet of
the weekend, easy lay up. The question is which Detroit
team is.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
The real one?
Speaker 4 (27:02):
The one that got spanked in Green Bay where they
didn't have any touchdowns until the final like three minutes,
or the one that opened a can and dropped fifty
five on the Bears. Where Which is the real Detroit
team this year? Or is it somewhere in.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
The middle cup, Yeah, I think it's I think it
is a team that when Jared got because remember they
drafted interior offensive linemen and so offensive starters don't play
a ton.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
Offensive lines don't play a ton in the preseason.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
So you could make an argument is that Detroit opened
up against the best team in the league in Green Bay,
who was returning most of their team plus Michaeh Parsons.
So you had, you know, a Green Bay team that's
young but has played together against the Detroit team rebuilding
their interior line, and.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
It got ugly fast.
Speaker 6 (27:48):
Right.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
My take is as the offensive line develops, they're running backs,
their receivers, GoF, they're too talented not to score. I
don't know how good they are in the back end defensively,
but if Detroit can get the offensive line right, and
they have drafted incredibly well under this GM, is that
they're going to score points. They may lose shootouts, but
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Detroit is more than capable of scoring.
Speaker 4 (28:11):
Okay, all right, so not to look too far ahead.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
But Week three, Detroit.
Speaker 4 (28:16):
Lions at the Baltimore Ravens Outdoors Monday Night Football. This
week great not great Colin. The last time they met,
it was an absolute massacre. And the line I'm seeing
is Ravens minus six. Yeah, I think that's a smash spot.
I'm sorry. Outdoors, they're different. They had Ben Johnson last
time they went, and they got their butts kick. So
(28:37):
let's just let's settle down on Detroit and in fifty burger. Yeah,
they're gonna get hammered in Baltimore. Next up, what are
we doing here? Oh New York Giants Cowboys? Hell of
a game. Listen, two teams that aren't going anywhere.
Speaker 6 (28:49):
But it was fun.
Speaker 4 (28:50):
Billion lead changes in the fourth quarter, thrilling victory for Dallas.
They did not cover the spread though I like them big.
How about Russell Wilson bold out in fifty yards three
tuddies and we're not gonna hear about Jackson dart for
another all week. Malik Neighbors pointed out Russell Wilson's resilience,
adding he's capable of more. I don't know how much
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more he can do than four fifty and three tudies.
I mean, listen that moon ball that he throwing it
through four of them. And first of all, what's up
with the Cowboys back into the defense?
Speaker 3 (29:22):
They didn't realize it until overtime.
Speaker 4 (29:23):
Hey, we need a safety over the top, guys. That
was a great finish, fun game. Giants could have used
Dub there because I mean.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
The difference between Dak and Russell because they were both
amazing as Russell made the big mistake late and Dak
did not. Yeah, that was word of the game because
it could have gone. I mean, there were multiple times
in this game I thought the Giants were gonna win.
Three or four different times I thought the Giants had
it sealed and Dak would come back and drive him down. So,
and I'll tell you this. The Giants. We've said this,
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j Maack. The Giants have talent. Oh, they've got a
couple of receivers that can run.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
Yeah, you know, I don't want to hear.
Speaker 6 (29:59):
The nine existant.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Okay, Now, now, without Andrew Thomas, their left tackle situation
is dire.
Speaker 4 (30:05):
They benched an offensive lineman after first rate penalty, They
got some problems. Secondary was not great. But as you
pointed out earlier, hey, Dak was dealing. Oh that's two
weeks in a row. He's made some hell of a throws. Listen,
I know it's early. Dak looks like a top ten quarterback.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
Right now, if by if we take it anything about
my predictions, Dallas is significantly better than I predicted, and
Denver has looked worse. Now, Denver did win a game over,
but Denver's looks sloppy and mistake filled. With Sean Payton,
they've been disappointing to me. They gave the game away yesterday.
(30:43):
So Denver's not nearly as good as I predicted, and
Dallas has been significantly better. I was literally after the
Mica trade, my take was, we'll go draft a quarterback
and draft the next micap. This is the best Dak
I've seen, probably since year two.
Speaker 6 (30:59):
He has so oh he was an MVP finalistic.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
I know he was, but he is running like young
Dak on the rookie contract. That's what he looks like
right now.
Speaker 4 (31:08):
It helps a Davonte Williams that little turn back the clock. Actually,
I thought week one was just luck. Came off a
big surgery. Yep, yeah, he looked good. Final story, Colin
is the Monday night football doubleheader. Bucks are in the
opener against the Texans and then the big one at
night at ten pm Eastern start.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
Colin.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
I don't know how you feel about that.
Speaker 6 (31:28):
Good thing.
Speaker 4 (31:28):
You're not on the East Coast, but brock Bauers expected
to play tonight. Pete Carroll said he looked great over
the weekend. That's a huge get back. Chargers are minus
three and a half. I don't I haven't bet this
game yet. I'm actually leaning Raiders getting the hook.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
I like Houston minus the points in the opener, I
think is the strongest play of the night.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
I would take it.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
I think Houston is gonna win and cover. I don't
know these division rivalry games. I think the Raiders at
home will play very tough, and I think it's a
three point game. I'll take the Chargers to win, but
I would take the Raiders in the point.
Speaker 4 (32:04):
Yeah, it feels like a twenty three to twenty type game.
Speaker 6 (32:07):
Whoever has the ball last.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
The Chargers face Denver next, So if they could beat
Kansas City and the Raiders and then get Denver next,
so this is a This is a great spot for
the Chargers to do some separating from Kansas City.
Speaker 4 (32:23):
What are we gonna do quarterback rankings this season? You
should do an in season one. And I'm sorry Burrow
has to be out because he's not actually playing, because I'm.
Speaker 6 (32:31):
Just telling you justin Herbert to me, it's only one game.
Speaker 4 (32:34):
If he shows out well tonight, I think he could
take that Burroughs spot as fourth best quarterback.
Speaker 6 (32:39):
I mean, Herbert looked.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
That's good. I love Joe Burrow.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
You love Joe Burrow, but Joe Burrow now is injury prone,
and that's exactly. Those are two words you have to acknowledge.
Justin Fields, by the way, is banged up again. Justin
well fair or not. Justin Fields puts himself in those positions.
So I always said, that's about Sam Darnold, who I loved.
Sam was reckless. Sam is not nearly as reckless as
he was four years ago. He was putting himself in
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bad spots. And I mean I loved Andrew Locke, loved him,
but Andrew didn't play for another down. Andrew, I mean
he used to say, I don't feel like the game
starts until I've been hit. That's okay for a defensive end.
I don't want my quarterback having that mindset. So I
think with Joe Burrow, I mean, we've got to be
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honest about this. He the thing you love about him
is he just never takes his eyes from downfield. In
a relentless pass rush. He will sit in there and
take shot after shot. Tony Romo did this.
Speaker 3 (33:38):
I mean, yet there's too late to tear it.
Speaker 4 (33:41):
Up and be like, listen, this is what we've got
to do. You see what the Eagles did. They got
an offensive line and they got Jalen Hurts. We need
to put everything we've got into the offensive line. If
we got to give away Higgins, I think you got
to give away Higgins. I mean, honestly, if you're not
protecting your two hundred and seventy five million dollar investment,
what are you doing?
Speaker 1 (33:59):
Totally agree the offensive line is your insurance policy for
the Bentley the quarterbacks to Bentley, the o lines, the
insurance policy. I mean, it's really what it is. It's
not glamorous, but you gotta pay for it. Jmack with the.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
News, Well, that's the news, and thanks for stopping by
the lie.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
I don't know, you can blame who you want, but
I want to talk about this next. How can the
Pittsburgh Steelers not understand a basic kickoff rule which really
gave the Seahawks momentum and the game.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
They gave them a free touchdown. That's next.
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Speaker 3 (35:07):
Cowboys Bears. That sounds like a big one. You try
to get me in trouble during a Reid laughing. Rams
Eagles will be unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
That will benev I'm telling you the pass rush that
the Rams put out there, and they don't have to
bring extra people. They just bring four guys and they
get a tremendous pass rush off the edge.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
So it's uh, you know, Jalen hurts, but you.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
Know Philadelphia again, Philadelphia's passing game gets in the way
of their offensive rhythm. So that that will be a
great game. Two great games on Fox Sunday. So I
don't know what to make of the Steelers. So there's
a basic rule in the NFL. We have a new
kickoff and I don't want to hear well, there's a
lot of new kickoff rules. Here's the easy one. If
you kickoff and the ball lands between the twenty or
(35:54):
the back of the end zone, you gotta down it
right like you have to return it or down it.
It's a ball. At Pittsburgh rookie Caleb Johnson apparently didn't
know the rules. I don't think he touched it. But
Seattle knew live ball, so the road team certainly knew.
The kickoff team knew it was a live ball. But
once again, Mike Tomlin one of the criticisms, he's a
(36:19):
little loose on the details, heavy into motivation, always gets
his guys fired up. They're not good in the details. Oh,
by the way, why can't they get the offensive line right?
That's probably the most detailed unit on a football team,
the symmetry and the chemistry and the cohesion on the
offensive line. Steelers can't get the offensive line right.
Speaker 3 (36:41):
Aaron right.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
And the second thing that worries me, this is the
most expensive defense in the league and they're terrible. They
given up four hundred yards a game in thirty one points.
Now again, one of those was a freebie they gave
to the Seahawks on the kickoff. Aaron Rodgers had a
couple of picks. They weren't great. The one in the
end zone was a bad deflection, and Aaron got a
little diff offensive when people came after him about the
(37:02):
week two loss.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
It's weak two. Come on, then, come on, come on,
it's weak two.
Speaker 5 (37:08):
I mean, like it's good for us last week. Probably
there's some people who are feeling feeling pretty good because
everybody outside the Billy is talking about how great we
were on offense and thirty four points. That's the league.
You can't ride the eyes or ride the lows. You know,
you got to refocus every single week and be a professional.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
Yeah, I don't mind the interceptions. I mean the one
was a bad deflection in the end zone. The other
one he's throwing the ball deep down the field and
he also had the throat of the tight end in
the red zone. He also had the throat of DK metcalf.
Were great throws, that is so Aaron. The question is
how often do you get into the red zone? Because
the Steelers can't run. And this is what I had
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said from the very beginning is Pittsburgh is going to
be a glossier, better, more refined version of the Jets.
They won't have a defendable run game. The protection will
be hitt and miss. They have a couple of young
Jets do and now the Steelers do a couple of
young offfensive lineman kind of you know they're building the
centers great from West Virginia Fraser, but you know they're
kind of figuring out what they are. They can't get
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the on line right. So defensively, everybody said before the season, Oh,
they're going all in on this team, all in on defense.
Jalen Ramsey's been pretty good. The defense stinks and you
can't be giving away touchdowns in this league.
Speaker 3 (38:21):
So it's it's.
Speaker 1 (38:23):
And listen, Aaron at this point in his career. And
that's why I said, dude, sit the year out, retire,
or go to Minnesota. This is not a great fit
for Aaron. Older quarterbacks need one or two things. Ample
and consistent protection. Pittsburgh can't provide that, and a consistent
run game. Pittsburgh average three yards of rush. So by
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the way, Sam Darnold, Sam had a bad pick. Sam
can have picks, but Sam Donold second week in a row,
either one or was driving for the winning touchdowns. So
as you watched the Minnesota Vikings last night, they wanted
to sign re sign Sam Darnold, and you're watching what's
going on in Minnesota, and you're watching Seattle. Seattle's pretty
(39:08):
good football team right now. The Steelers are twenty ninth
in time per drive, and so there was a say, oh,
Aaron's going to solve the quarterback issues. They can't sustain
possessions because they can't run the football, and that was
an issue.
Speaker 3 (39:22):
Again.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
There's certain things Aaron does very well. He sows a
beautiful back shoulder ball. He's got great velocity. He moves
poorly but for his age adequately. But you know, they
don't protect, they don't run the ball. And so what
happens is this Pittsburgh Steeler defense and you saw this yesterday,
is on the field too long. That's what you saw
against the Jets when you can't run the football. I
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don't know if the right now, because remember Philadelphia had
to let go of some defensive players. As you start playing,
paying more and more of your star players, so Eagles
had to move off players. But the good news is
they control possessions. The tush push allows the Eagles to
continue drives. So time of possession in Philadelphia is usually
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pretty good.
Speaker 3 (40:08):
What does that do?
Speaker 1 (40:09):
Defenses are always better when they're on the field less.
Right now, in Kansas City, you're asking yourself Kansas City's
defense justin Herbert aded alive.
Speaker 3 (40:19):
Well, Kansas City doesn't have a run game, so.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
Against Justin Herbert in the second half, that Kansas City
defense is on the field too much. So nothing makes
a talented defense look worse than being on the field.
So you watch the have you noticed in the first
two games for Kansas City the defense is better in
the first half than the second.
Speaker 3 (40:38):
Why the Chiefs can't run the ball.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
So you know your defensive guys run the field for
forty five steps, fifty five steps, they get tired. So
and so once again, the Steelers twenty ninth in time
per drive, thirtieth in rushing yards per attempt. So we said,
Aaron's not going to solve their issues at this point
in his career. He needs certain things to be provided.
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The Jets couldn't and the Steelers can't. So this is
what they are, and this defense for Pittsburgh. When you
can't run the ball, remember the seasons now longer than
it's ever been, defensive players statistically get hurt more so
the key to a great defense is often a very
good sustained run game. So a defense in later portions
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of the game, you said, you saw how tired the
Cowboy defense was of.
Speaker 3 (41:28):
The New York Giants defense. You'd only put defensive players
on the field. They have to predict what's happening. They
don't know what the play is. It's exhausting.
Speaker 1 (41:37):
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Speaker 1 (00:32):
We're live in Chicago tonight, Monday Night Football. I think
the Raiders and Chargers is gonna be really interesting. I
think it's close. Kansas City gets a break. Denver gave
a game away and either the Raiders or the Chargers
are losing tonight. So a little bit of a break
for the Kansas City Chiefs, who have been the reigning
dynasty in this league. But we got young quarterbacks struggling
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the Pittsburgh Steelers.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
What are they? Jmac?
Speaker 1 (00:57):
What a fun, fun weekend. It was like college football weekend.
Chicago is losing patients fast with Caleb Williams.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
Yeah, kind of like Clemson's losing faith quickly in their coach.
We gotta get to that on Wednesday with Clatt if
he drops.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
By, here we go Colin Wright, Colin wrong on a Monday,
plenty of both.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Let's begin where Colin was right. Well, the Chiefs.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
We predicted that they would be thin offensively, and they
may make the playoffs, but it will only be as
a wild card team.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
They're just not as explosive.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Some of that is the Rashi Rice suspension and that
Xavier Worthy injury. I think they will get better offensively,
but Travis Kelsey's last two weeks he heard a teammate
and then dropped that Cats, which became almost a pick six.
They cannot run the ball. The Holmes, as I said earlier,
is like keeping the lights on in this shopping mall.
(01:54):
He's the only thing that's working. So we called this regression.
You probably called it too. Where Colin was wrong. I
didn't think Caleb Williams was necessarily going to be a superstar.
I didn't think it would look like this. His passer
rating now is lower than Spencer Rattler. And we know
it's not Ben Johnson because his first two opening drives
(02:17):
he's two for two or two touchdowns. So when he's
on script, he's been excellent, but ad libs too much,
holds the ball too long, which is a problem for
some young quarterbacks, and then too often just throws it
to nobody.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
It is much worse than I would have thought.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Where Colin was right, I.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Said, Aaron Rodgers to the Steelers will look like a
glossier version of Aaron Rodgers to the Jets.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
They won't be able to run the ball.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
It'll be a team that makes mistakes and loses games
they should win. And the defense, though expensive, won't be
as dominant as you think it could be. And oh yeah,
Aaron after the game, just like he didn't, New York
is already calling out teammates.
Speaker 5 (03:03):
Cayle's the best kid ever. But he probably should have
just stayed in the flat there he knows it, I mean,
or he was kind of stealing it from Pat, or
just catch you put it away, score a touchdown. But
Cal's the best kid, and you know it sucks because
he's such a great kid. But unfortunately that whole sequence,
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you know, took points off the board.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Yeah, okay, where Colin was wrong.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
I had Denver winning the AFC West. They were sloppy
against Tennessee. They gave the game away against Indianapolis, Daniel
Jones carved them up.
Speaker 5 (03:44):
Man.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
They have really bad, dumb penalties, a lot of self
inflicted mistakes. You know, I love bo Nicks, but his
interception in the fourth quarter, they could have sealed the
game with a touchdown there. And again there were just
gassed defensively. And the Colts have talent Warren and Pittman
(04:04):
and Pearce and Jonathan Taylor. The Colts have talent, especially
on offense. But I Denver has not looked good through
two weeks, where.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
When I put green Bay number one of my herd higherarchy,
people said, how can you do that?
Speaker 3 (04:19):
They're not that good. You're overreacting.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Then they went out two nights later and crushed the
Washington Commanders. Green Bay is absolutely the most complete team
in the league. Yes, better than Philadelphia because they've got
better and deeper young tight end and wide receiver talent.
Micah found a perfect team. They have depth, they have
the quarterback. I think green Bay defensively, this is the
(04:44):
best Packer defense and certainly the most aggressive I can
remember seeing where Colin was raw the Texas Longhorns. I
had them in the National Championship against Penn State and
they are struggling offensively arch Manning and this offense is unwatchable.
They could not put u TEP away. Now they're missing
a couple of receivers and a couple of running backs.
(05:05):
They've got injuries, but I mean, who are we kidting here?
UTEP doesn't have a player that Texas would recruit, and
they've got the biggest nil cachet in the business. I
don't know if it's mechanics or confidence, but arch Manning
is officially.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Off where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Mike McDaniel oh and two job in jeopardy, and I
think both Chris Jear the GM, Chris Greer the GM,
and Mike McDaniel probably need to be replaced. The roster
isn't good. The O lines a perpetual problem. I mean again,
special teams were even bad against the Patriots. The cultures wrecked.
The Bills are up next on Thursday Night Football, so
(05:46):
presumably they're oh and three. From the very beginning, I
questioned if it was all about the sizzle and was
I getting any stake, And as of today, I don't
think I am where Colin was right. Football feels dead
when Nico im Aliava transferred from Tennessee. I said, what
(06:07):
are you doing? Tennessee's a football factory. They got NFL
dudes everywhere. You don't transfer out of Tennessee to UCLA.
That's a huge mistake. And it was again. I'm not
saying Tennessee is Georgia, but Tennessee is a football factory.
They care, they're committed. UCLA's football nil is at the
(06:27):
very bottom of the Big ten. So it's a cautionary tale.
I feel terrible for the kid. I think he got
bad advice. I think he's really talented, but getting routed
by New Mexico and if you watch the game, it
could have been worse.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
Is not good with that.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Matt Hasselbeck eighteen years and the NFL is joining US live.
You know, Matt, it's interesting. I watched Philadelphia last night.
It just cracks me up. They're four and oh since
last season when they throw for under one hundred yards,
which usually if you just look at a box score,
you're like, oh, this is a mess. Burn the film,
(07:05):
it's almost like Philadelphia that passing often gets them out
of their rhythm. AJ Brown had five catches for twenty
seven yards. There is something about they're very comfortable playing big, strong,
ugly football. It feels like to me they kind of
love what they are. What do you see?
Speaker 6 (07:24):
Yeah, I see a good football team.
Speaker 7 (07:26):
And you know, I said this last year to you,
and you know, it's first and ten for everybody else.
It doesn't feel like first and ten for Philly because
of how good they are at the tush push, you know. Like,
so that gets a lot of attention, But I just
think it's an identity of who they want to be offensively.
And you know, when you play a great quarterback like
I remember doing this a lot, and go up against
a Peyton Manning or Tom Brady or somebody, part of
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your offensive philosophy is to just keep.
Speaker 6 (07:50):
That guy on the bench.
Speaker 7 (07:52):
Yes, and so like it's okay, you literally say it
in the meetings, like we're not going to try to
throw for three hundred yards this week or not, We're
going to just try to run for one hundred. Like
it's the mindset. It's not so much about the actual numbers,
but it's the mindset. We're gonna keep their great quarterback
on the bench. Not only does that help your defense,
I believe it actually frustrates that great quarterback and helps
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him and his offense get out of their own rhythm.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
So I want to talk about so you know, listen Detroit,
Ben Johnson leaves. It felt like Detroit said, all right,
we're gonna bounce a little bit here. And and I've
always defended team. It's not Jimmy Johnson. It's not my
job to make sure you're the game's close. But it
did feel like Detroit wanted to make a point by
bearing the Bears.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
Did it not?
Speaker 1 (08:39):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (08:39):
I did.
Speaker 7 (08:40):
I mean it almost felt personal, and I know it
wasn't personal, but you know, I think this is probably
the lesson for me in this game.
Speaker 6 (08:46):
You know, Ben Johnson said, Hey, I'm.
Speaker 7 (08:47):
Going to try to downplay the fact that I'm going
back to Detroit. You know, I'm going to let you
know cause I don't want my team to feel that pressure.
I disagree with that that that that philosophy. I mean,
I remember being, you know, on the Green Bay Packers
with Mike Hongrin is the head coach. When we would
go back to San Fran, his old thing, like he
just elevated the energy in the entire building, the same
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thing when he was in Seattle.
Speaker 6 (09:09):
We'd go back to Green Bay.
Speaker 7 (09:10):
You see it with other different, you know, coaches when
they go back to coaching against their old program, against
their own team, their old team. Like just the excitement,
the energy that it brings. It's almost like a playoff
atmosphere inside the building, sort of like Wednesday to Friday,
Wednesday to Saturday. And I think that's the better approach.
And you know, the Bears just look flat. Detroit treated
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it like Dan Campbell. You knew he would treat it.
And they came out and they looked like the team
that they were last year.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
You know, listen, you know this and I know this.
We've been married for a while. Is marriage is sacrifice
and it's.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
Fit, you know.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
And it's like you see these Hollywood power couples and
they both have great careers and it doesn't work right.
It's not they're bad people. I look at Ben Johnson,
who is a timing and structure coach. He's got some Shanahan.
He likes structure and timing. And I look at Caleb,
and Caleb after those opening drives, you know, he when
he moves out of the pocket, sometimes his head is down.
(10:06):
He's looking for yards. And I know it's early Matt.
But it feels like from a fit standpoint, this may
not be perfect, It may not work.
Speaker 6 (10:18):
Well for Caleb.
Speaker 7 (10:19):
You better make it work because this is the best
play caller and head coach and quarterback whisper that you
could be with. And you know, he did have a
really good preseason game and the theme of that game
was rhythm. And by rhythm, you're meaning how many hitches
the quarterback takes in the pocket. Is it one, two,
three balls out or is it just one?
Speaker 6 (10:38):
The balls out?
Speaker 7 (10:39):
And some of the great quarterbacks that play in an
offense like this, that's kind of how you, I guess,
would evaluate.
Speaker 6 (10:44):
It when you're just watching it.
Speaker 7 (10:47):
You know, I think the other thing that you would
just say to Ben Johnson and de Kayla, like what
I would say to Caleb about Ben Johnson, just forget
whatever you learned in high school and college, forget whatever
got you here, and take this like beginner's mental. I'm
going to do it exactly the way that you're asking
me to do it, because if there is like some
sort of like you know, I'm doing it one way
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and the coach wants me to do it another way,
it's not going to work.
Speaker 6 (11:10):
And they're gonna move on.
Speaker 7 (11:12):
He didn't draft you. You you were there before him,
and so you better buy in and be all the
way on his program in terms of rhythm and timing, accuracy,
all those types of things. And I think he can,
but that would be the advice. You better be all
in all the time and just do it his way.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Let me simp So I watched Michael Penix and JJ
McCarthy and let me simplify it. Penix gets rid of
the ball fast, fast and accurate, and he's got a
defensive head coach. And then I look at JJ McCarthy
with the brilliant Kevin O'Connell, and he holds the ball
and he doesn't get rid of it fast. And I
do wonder if how much what percentage of quarterback play
(11:52):
in this league is get it out of your hands?
Because Pennix is just see it boom out, and JJ
and Caleb and especially JJ, he doesn't let it go.
He doesn't let it rip. That he looks overwhelmed, that
he loses confidence. And I mean when I watch Panics,
I'm like, oh that works, That's what he did in college.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
It's see it, let it rip. Trust your confidence?
Speaker 1 (12:16):
Is that part of JJ's problem is he's just not
letting it go.
Speaker 7 (12:20):
Yeah, I think you're you're spot on with Penix. You say,
see it and let it rip. I think it's more like,
anticipate it and let it rip. You got to throw
it almost before you see it. And I think that's
one of the things that Michael Penix did great at
the University of Washington. He doesn't necessarily rely on his
athleticism and legs.
Speaker 6 (12:36):
He relies on his eyes, his.
Speaker 7 (12:38):
Anticipatory reactions, and then his accurate throws. So for sure,
I think the two young quarterbacks we talked about earlier,
Caleb and JJ, like they got to let it go quicker.
Going back to the rhythm and the timing. You got
to let it go on one hitch, five and one
hitch instead of five and two hitches. Sometimes young quarterbacks
can be a weight and see thrower. I want to
wait and see and then I'm gonna let it go
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and then you know, obviously there's some like just mandatory
things for quarterbacks on an outbreaking route, you can never
leave it inside.
Speaker 6 (13:09):
You talked about confidence.
Speaker 7 (13:10):
I think when you hold onto the ball, it doesn't
necessarily hurt your confidence as a quarterback. It hurts the
confidence of the offensive line. They might have done a
decent job in pass protection, but because you held on
and hitched it a couple, you know, one too many times,
it feels like they gave up a pressure when quite honestly,
maybe they didn't even give up a pressure.
Speaker 6 (13:28):
It just was you holding on to it.
Speaker 7 (13:29):
So that's something that you know, the young quarterbacks I
think struggle with I know I struggled with it. But
you look at the game's best quarterbacks over time, they
get the ball out on time and helps their team,
you know, stay on track.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
I was talking about this with my buddy John Middlcoff
last night. Is I listen, sometimes as a quarterback you
get hurt. It's not your fault, you get blindsided. But
when a quarterback like Joe Burrell or a Justin Fields
get hurt time and time again, and Eli Manning never does.
I do think a lot of a quarterback's health over
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the course of a career is are you good pre snap?
Do you see the blitzes coming, Do you get rid
of the ball quickly? Do you understand your personnel and
where to slide protection.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
And where not to?
Speaker 1 (14:16):
I don't think every injury for Joe Burrow is always
on the bad old line for the Bengals. I don't know,
it just feels like to me, we always blame the
O line, and it seems like the Brady's and the
elis they get down or they don't get hurt.
Speaker 7 (14:33):
Yeah, you're I mean, listen, protect the team by protecting yourself.
I mean you're onto something here. Obviously, this last injury
Yon Burrows. You know, I'm not saying it's his fault,
but you know, as a franchise quarterback, which he clearly
is one of the great players in the game of
all time, already, there's something too not being hurt. There's
something too not ending the season on IR, you know,
(14:54):
like the great quarterbacks. You mentioned some guys, but whether
it's Brady or Breeze or Manning or Stafford, you know,
how many seasons do they end on IR. I think
that's something that they learn. You know, you see Tom Brady,
Peyton Manning, they throw a pick, are they going after it?
Making the tackle? Sometimes they live to play another play.
They just get down. So I think it'd be very
(15:16):
easy to sort of blame the Bengals. All the Bengals
aren't spending enough money. They're not building you know, I
could blame the Bengals for maybe not building the.
Speaker 6 (15:22):
Whole roster properly but offensively.
Speaker 7 (15:25):
If they're going to give him the weapons talking about
Joe Burrow that they're given to him, I think one
of the best things that he could learn to do
going forward is understand that, hey, by protecting myself, by
learning to live for the next play, I'm really doing
my part to protect the team. And you know, I
love Joe. I love his style. He takes a bunch
of sacks, his eyes are downfield, he makes a bunch
(15:46):
of big plays. He's willing to put his body on
the line. But at the same time, I think understanding
your value to the team, that might be an area
where you know he's gonna want to you know, I
think play a little bit more like those guys you
mentioned at Peyton Manning and Eli Manning because of his
value to the team.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
Finally, Mac Jones had his best game as a pro.
He had no George Kittle, Brandon aiyuk I said the
playbook by Shanahan should be called Quarterback for Dummies. It's
like everybody gets it. I mean Mac Jones did not
have a big arm. He's not super athletic. They asked
him to throw thirty nine times on the road. That
I mean like the Eagles with Jalen Hurst want him
(16:24):
to throw at twenty three. It's almost double the throws.
And so I look at it yesterday and I'm like,
Mac Jones looked great. I mean, what does Kyle do
in terms of simplicity. He's got backup tight ends. You
know who are they? He's got to have some cheat code?
Speaker 3 (16:43):
Does he not? For quarterbacks?
Speaker 7 (16:45):
Well, if you were to talk to quarterbacks around the league,
I think you would hear this.
Speaker 6 (16:49):
I think you would hear that.
Speaker 7 (16:50):
Kyle Shanahan and Matt Lafloor are the guys that they
would want to go play for. And you see guys
try to resurrect their career by going and spending a
year with those kind of guys.
Speaker 6 (17:00):
And there are other guys.
Speaker 7 (17:01):
I'm sure Daniel Jones spent some time with Kevin O'Connell,
like there's other guys. But you saw what Sam Darnold
did when he went to San Franz, was there as
a backup, kind of resurrected his career. I'm sure that's
what mac Jones thought. Hey, listen, I'm gonna go do
that now. Am I going to overreact because of a
good game against the Saints? Like, No, not necessarily, but
this is why mac Jones chose to go there. This
(17:24):
is why quarterbacks around the league sort of are jealous
about the play caller, the scheme. That is Kyle Shanahan,
that is Matt Lafleur. But to overreact and think that
maybe somehow, you know, like Brock Purties not like the
real difference maker on that team, like to me, I
think he is.
Speaker 6 (17:43):
But it goes hand in hand with a.
Speaker 7 (17:45):
Great play caller, great play designer, which they clearly have
in San fran.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
I got to ask you this one more thing.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
I don't know your injury history, but I said, whoever
Dak Prescott's surgeon is he didn't get paid enough.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
Dak is so rich, venated, his mobility.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
Is back, it's rookie or second ear Dak and his confidence,
his body language like Dak looked unbelievable yesterday, and the
Giants d line's pretty good and they don't you know,
ce d Lamps obviously a special talent, like he's really good.
But it's not a great personnel group up front for him.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
I always thought pro athletes off surgery had to play
their way back into confidence. I'm kind of blown away
by Dak through two weeks. Can you explain it?
Speaker 6 (18:33):
Yeah, I've heard you say it. It's the eye test.
Speaker 7 (18:35):
You see a guy right away, you can tell what
kind off season he had, you know, and there's off
seasons that you have that aren't really successful. I mean,
I remember I had one of those, I think eight
oh nine, and just like I didn't I looked at
myself and I didn't feel fast, I didn't feel explosive,
I didn't feel powerful. You've heard Dak Prescott talk about
this this talk about that this year, saying like, I
didn't like how I was last year, especially.
Speaker 6 (18:56):
As a runner, and so he's worked on that.
Speaker 7 (18:58):
I think he looks different physically, he looks different running
the ball.
Speaker 6 (19:01):
He's been great. He's been great.
Speaker 7 (19:03):
And I know this for a fact as a as
a player, as a quarterback, especially when you feel great
about your offseason training, when you feel strong and fit
and powerful and explosive, you feel confident, like you feel
confident as a player, you feel called you just feel different,
and I think your teammates feel it, and I think
there's an emotional intelligence that kind of like rubs off
(19:23):
on the sidelines. If you watch Dak this year, he's
not like sitting on the bench, you know, getting drinks
and water and gatorad.
Speaker 6 (19:30):
And all that stuff.
Speaker 7 (19:30):
The whole time he's on his feet, he's dapping up
his teammates, he's walking up and down offense, defense, o line,
He's engaged. I just think that to me, that screams
like a guy that had a great offseason. Whatever he did,
it was great, and I think he should continue to
do that.
Speaker 6 (19:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
I mean I asked him to throw against that front
for the Giants fifty two times, and yet he still
had at the end of the game the energy to
peel all to throw fifty two times. In the NFL,
that is the calorie burn itself is insane. He peels
off or run in overtime and I'm like, dude, that
is all time stuff.
Speaker 7 (20:05):
That is Yeah, and having his legs is an important
piece to the puzzle of who he is as a player.
When he came in that rookie year, when he replaced
Tony Romo, he gave them a little bit of a
boost with the mobility, with the naked bootlegs and that
one scramble that just breaks the defense back when they
call the right play. So you know, that's an important thing.
And this is a dangerous team with a great kicker.
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They're saying his range is like seventy yards.
Speaker 6 (20:28):
Look look out for Dallas.
Speaker 7 (20:30):
They're a lot better than people thought before the season.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
All right, Matt hassel Beck as olhways, great stuff on
a Monday.
Speaker 6 (20:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
I mean you go, look, folks, when you ask a
quarterback to throw fifty two times in a pass rush
of the Giants and they're still scrambling for the first
down late, it's impressive. Matt Hasselbeck, thank you for stopping
by on a Monday. We still got a lot to
talk about. Mark Schlereth on that Bronco giveaway game, brutal.
I didn't think yesterday was a great day for officials.
(20:57):
By the way, Dean Blandino came out on the said,
I'm over it. It's a very hard play. I think
that that's going to seize. That's going to be the
end of the toush push in the off season when
they when they raise their hands for a vote. When
the officials say we can't really officiate it, we can't
really clearly see it. I think that's I mean, that's
(21:18):
the bottom line. A league starts with rules any sport
if I don't care what sport you are, if you're
creating the UFC twenty five years ago rules, and then
you have officials, right, here's our rules. Here's the people
who will officiate it, will teach them. Then we have
the athletes. When the rules and the officials are at
odds and the officials are saying, you know, we just
(21:39):
can't see where's the ball. I mean, the Philadelphia looks
like they're nudging off sides and getting a false start
and nobody's calling it.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
That will be the end of it.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
Because Philadelphia can say we invented it, nobody can stop it.
But if the officials are struggling to officiate a play,
that's dangerous, and I think that'll be the end the
toush push in the offseason.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
Well wait a second, Yeah, for years the officials were like,
we don't know what it catches. I mean, the bobbling,
all this stuff. This is a little easier, Colin, just
because they ran it seven times yesterday and Chiefs fans
can't stop it. They're very upset. They're crying, why don't
we just put a chip in the football. That is
the easiest thing you can possibly do to get a
great spot. But people have been talking about this for years.
(22:21):
And by the way, can't the officials just huddle up
and be like, hey, let's have it. Let's have an
official meeting. And this is how we uh we we
adjust to what the toush push is and we make
sure we do a better job of it.
Speaker 6 (22:34):
I don't like outlawing the.
Speaker 4 (22:36):
Best play in football, the most automatic, unstoppable play.
Speaker 6 (22:39):
I don't know why the rest just can't be better.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
I don't love it either. But and for the record,
other teams have tried it and failed. He does not
look the same with everybody else.
Speaker 4 (22:50):
I seen JJ McCarthy's trying last night. He's like, I
don't know what I'm doing. Like he looks scared to
kill Williams.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
Forget it. He doesn't know what he's doing. It's not
I mean, I know, it's interesting.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
So Travis Jason Kelsey retires best center in a decade,
and the tush push doesn't go backwards because what Jalen
Hurts is is the strongest quarterback pound for pound probably
in league history. There's been a lot of big guys
and a lot of tall guys and fast guys. How
many quarterbacks you know do a six hundred and sixty
pound leg press, and I think a huge component to this.
(23:23):
He is shorter, he's stout, he's smaller. He gets an
incredible push. Now, their O line is excellent, but they
just lost the best center in a decade in the
sport and the tush push remains unstoppable. So it was
not Kelsey, It's Jalen Hurts who makes that puppy work.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
By the way, the Chiefs have Creed Humphrey, one of
the best centers in the league. Why don't they run
our Dutchess Lust's just give it us out there, Pat, huh.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
No, it's on.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
Jalen Hurts is just a weird combination of you know,
diminutive size. So you can't get Josh Allen's the most
talented quarterback in the league. Justin Herbert. I've seen him try. Well,
they're six five. People can headhunt with Hertz head down,
huge leg strength.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
There's nothing you can do. I mean, there's literally nothing
you can.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
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Speaker 4 (25:13):
Let's revisit the Detroit Chicago game, Colin, because Ben Johnson
went home back to the lions Den since leaving for
the Bears this offseason and they got waxed. I mean, listen,
not his fault, but they got destroyed. Anyway, Brian branch
on the back end of the Detroit defense, he made
a great play yesterday He talked about getting revenge against
Ben in the post game.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
Very motivated.
Speaker 8 (25:35):
We know coming into this game that this is personal
really all these game personals, and but this one was
just we felt like we've been you know, betrayed from
the staff to the players, and you know, we we
love Ben.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
We still love Ben.
Speaker 8 (25:54):
He's a great, you know, coach, he has a he's
a great mastermind. But yeah, it was time to get
out to him.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
Yeah, and it went downhill really fast. And for the record,
I mean watching amor On Saint Brown and Jared Goff.
When you can work with a player like two committed
guys Goff and Amoran Saint Brown, and you can work
together for years and years because there's so much movement
jaymck in this league, quarterbacks and coaches and coordinators and
so even though Golf lost his coordinator, it's Jared Goff
(26:23):
and amor On Saint Brown. You can see the time
they have dedicated to the craft. Those guys know where
each other is going to be and that is a
that right now is one of the best combos in
the league. Amor On Saint Brown was a fourth round
pick and Jared Goff, you know, got jettison by the Rams.
But I mean, I'll say this about Detroit, Dude, they
got weapons. They have drafted well because they got speed
(26:46):
everywhere on this team.
Speaker 4 (26:47):
All right, So let's remember Bear's secondary was banged up,
got cooked against JJ McCarty in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
All right, so you knew golf was going.
Speaker 6 (26:54):
To go off.
Speaker 4 (26:55):
We talked about this. This was the biggest bet of
the weekend, easy lay up. The question is which Detroit
team is.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
The real one?
Speaker 4 (27:02):
The one that got spanked in Green Bay where they
didn't have any touchdowns until the final like three minutes,
or the one that opened a can and dropped fifty
five on the Bears. Where Which is the real Detroit
team this year? Or is it somewhere in.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
The middle cup, Yeah, I think it's I think it
is a team that when Jared got because remember they
drafted interior offensive linemen and so offensive starters don't play
a ton.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
Offensive lines don't play a ton in the preseason.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
So you could make an argument is that Detroit opened
up against the best team in the league in Green Bay,
who was returning most of their team plus Michaeh Parsons.
So you had, you know, a Green Bay team that's
young but has played together against the Detroit team rebuilding
their interior line, and.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
It got ugly fast.
Speaker 6 (27:48):
Right.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
My take is as the offensive line develops, they're running backs,
their receivers, GoF, they're too talented not to score. I
don't know how good they are in the back end defensively,
but if Detroit can get the offensive line right, and
they have drafted incredibly well under this GM, is that
they're going to score points. They may lose shootouts, but
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Detroit is more than capable of scoring.
Speaker 4 (28:11):
Okay, all right, so not to look too far ahead.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
But Week three, Detroit.
Speaker 4 (28:16):
Lions at the Baltimore Ravens Outdoors Monday Night Football. This
week great not great Colin. The last time they met,
it was an absolute massacre. And the line I'm seeing
is Ravens minus six. Yeah, I think that's a smash spot.
I'm sorry. Outdoors, they're different. They had Ben Johnson last
time they went, and they got their butts kick. So
(28:37):
let's just let's settle down on Detroit and in fifty burger. Yeah,
they're gonna get hammered in Baltimore. Next up, what are
we doing here? Oh New York Giants Cowboys? Hell of
a game. Listen, two teams that aren't going anywhere.
Speaker 6 (28:49):
But it was fun.
Speaker 4 (28:50):
Billion lead changes in the fourth quarter, thrilling victory for Dallas.
They did not cover the spread though I like them big.
How about Russell Wilson bold out in fifty yards three
tuddies and we're not gonna hear about Jackson dart for
another all week. Malik Neighbors pointed out Russell Wilson's resilience,
adding he's capable of more. I don't know how much
(29:12):
more he can do than four fifty and three tudies.
I mean, listen that moon ball that he throwing it
through four of them. And first of all, what's up
with the Cowboys back into the defense?
Speaker 3 (29:22):
They didn't realize it until overtime.
Speaker 4 (29:23):
Hey, we need a safety over the top, guys. That
was a great finish, fun game. Giants could have used
Dub there because I mean.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
The difference between Dak and Russell because they were both
amazing as Russell made the big mistake late and Dak
did not. Yeah, that was word of the game because
it could have gone. I mean, there were multiple times
in this game I thought the Giants were gonna win.
Three or four different times I thought the Giants had
it sealed and Dak would come back and drive him down. So,
and I'll tell you this. The Giants. We've said this,
(29:51):
j Maack. The Giants have talent. Oh, they've got a
couple of receivers that can run.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
Yeah, you know, I don't want to hear.
Speaker 6 (29:59):
The nine existant.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Okay, Now, now, without Andrew Thomas, their left tackle situation
is dire.
Speaker 4 (30:05):
They benched an offensive lineman after first rate penalty, They
got some problems. Secondary was not great. But as you
pointed out earlier, hey, Dak was dealing. Oh that's two
weeks in a row. He's made some hell of a throws. Listen,
I know it's early. Dak looks like a top ten quarterback.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
Right now, if by if we take it anything about
my predictions, Dallas is significantly better than I predicted, and
Denver has looked worse. Now, Denver did win a game over,
but Denver's looks sloppy and mistake filled. With Sean Payton,
they've been disappointing to me. They gave the game away yesterday.
(30:43):
So Denver's not nearly as good as I predicted, and
Dallas has been significantly better. I was literally after the
Mica trade, my take was, we'll go draft a quarterback
and draft the next micap. This is the best Dak
I've seen, probably since year two.
Speaker 6 (30:59):
He has so oh he was an MVP finalistic.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
I know he was, but he is running like young
Dak on the rookie contract. That's what he looks like
right now.
Speaker 4 (31:08):
It helps a Davonte Williams that little turn back the clock. Actually,
I thought week one was just luck. Came off a
big surgery. Yep, yeah, he looked good. Final story, Colin
is the Monday night football doubleheader. Bucks are in the
opener against the Texans and then the big one at
night at ten pm Eastern start.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
Colin.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
I don't know how you feel about that.
Speaker 6 (31:28):
Good thing.
Speaker 4 (31:28):
You're not on the East Coast, but brock Bauers expected
to play tonight. Pete Carroll said he looked great over
the weekend. That's a huge get back. Chargers are minus
three and a half. I don't I haven't bet this
game yet. I'm actually leaning Raiders getting the hook.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
I like Houston minus the points in the opener, I
think is the strongest play of the night.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
I would take it.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
I think Houston is gonna win and cover. I don't
know these division rivalry games. I think the Raiders at
home will play very tough, and I think it's a
three point game. I'll take the Chargers to win, but
I would take the Raiders in the point.
Speaker 4 (32:04):
Yeah, it feels like a twenty three to twenty type game.
Speaker 6 (32:07):
Whoever has the ball last.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
The Chargers face Denver next, So if they could beat
Kansas City and the Raiders and then get Denver next,
so this is a This is a great spot for
the Chargers to do some separating from Kansas City.
Speaker 4 (32:23):
What are we gonna do quarterback rankings this season? You
should do an in season one. And I'm sorry Burrow
has to be out because he's not actually playing, because I'm.
Speaker 6 (32:31):
Just telling you justin Herbert to me, it's only one game.
Speaker 4 (32:34):
If he shows out well tonight, I think he could
take that Burroughs spot as fourth best quarterback.
Speaker 6 (32:39):
I mean, Herbert looked.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
That's good. I love Joe Burrow.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
You love Joe Burrow, but Joe Burrow now is injury prone,
and that's exactly. Those are two words you have to acknowledge.
Justin Fields, by the way, is banged up again. Justin
well fair or not. Justin Fields puts himself in those positions.
So I always said, that's about Sam Darnold, who I loved.
Sam was reckless. Sam is not nearly as reckless as
he was four years ago. He was putting himself in
(33:05):
bad spots. And I mean I loved Andrew Locke, loved him,
but Andrew didn't play for another down. Andrew, I mean
he used to say, I don't feel like the game
starts until I've been hit. That's okay for a defensive end.
I don't want my quarterback having that mindset. So I
think with Joe Burrow, I mean, we've got to be
(33:25):
honest about this. He the thing you love about him
is he just never takes his eyes from downfield. In
a relentless pass rush. He will sit in there and
take shot after shot. Tony Romo did this.
Speaker 3 (33:38):
I mean, yet there's too late to tear it.
Speaker 4 (33:41):
Up and be like, listen, this is what we've got
to do. You see what the Eagles did. They got
an offensive line and they got Jalen Hurts. We need
to put everything we've got into the offensive line. If
we got to give away Higgins, I think you got
to give away Higgins. I mean, honestly, if you're not
protecting your two hundred and seventy five million dollar investment,
what are you doing?
Speaker 1 (33:59):
Totally agree the offensive line is your insurance policy for
the Bentley the quarterbacks to Bentley, the o lines, the
insurance policy. I mean, it's really what it is. It's
not glamorous, but you gotta pay for it. Jmack with the.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
News, Well, that's the news, and thanks for stopping by
the lie.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
I don't know, you can blame who you want, but
I want to talk about this next. How can the
Pittsburgh Steelers not understand a basic kickoff rule which really
gave the Seahawks momentum and the game.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
They gave them a free touchdown. That's next.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
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Speaker 4 (34:45):
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Speaker 3 (35:07):
Cowboys Bears. That sounds like a big one. You try
to get me in trouble during a Reid laughing. Rams
Eagles will be unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
That will benev I'm telling you the pass rush that
the Rams put out there, and they don't have to
bring extra people. They just bring four guys and they
get a tremendous pass rush off the edge.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
So it's uh, you know, Jalen hurts, but you.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
Know Philadelphia again, Philadelphia's passing game gets in the way
of their offensive rhythm. So that that will be a
great game. Two great games on Fox Sunday. So I
don't know what to make of the Steelers. So there's
a basic rule in the NFL. We have a new
kickoff and I don't want to hear well, there's a
lot of new kickoff rules. Here's the easy one. If
you kickoff and the ball lands between the twenty or
(35:54):
the back of the end zone, you gotta down it
right like you have to return it or down it.
It's a ball. At Pittsburgh rookie Caleb Johnson apparently didn't
know the rules. I don't think he touched it. But
Seattle knew live ball, so the road team certainly knew.
The kickoff team knew it was a live ball. But
once again, Mike Tomlin one of the criticisms, he's a
(36:19):
little loose on the details, heavy into motivation, always gets
his guys fired up. They're not good in the details. Oh,
by the way, why can't they get the offensive line right?
That's probably the most detailed unit on a football team,
the symmetry and the chemistry and the cohesion on the
offensive line. Steelers can't get the offensive line right.
Speaker 3 (36:41):
Aaron right.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
And the second thing that worries me, this is the
most expensive defense in the league and they're terrible. They
given up four hundred yards a game in thirty one points.
Now again, one of those was a freebie they gave
to the Seahawks on the kickoff. Aaron Rodgers had a
couple of picks. They weren't great. The one in the
end zone was a bad deflection, and Aaron got a
little diff offensive when people came after him about the
(37:02):
week two loss.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
It's weak two. Come on, then, come on, come on,
it's weak two.
Speaker 5 (37:08):
I mean, like it's good for us last week. Probably
there's some people who are feeling feeling pretty good because
everybody outside the Billy is talking about how great we
were on offense and thirty four points. That's the league.
You can't ride the eyes or ride the lows. You know,
you got to refocus every single week and be a professional.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
Yeah, I don't mind the interceptions. I mean the one
was a bad deflection in the end zone. The other
one he's throwing the ball deep down the field and
he also had the throat of the tight end in
the red zone. He also had the throat of DK metcalf.
Were great throws, that is so Aaron. The question is
how often do you get into the red zone? Because
the Steelers can't run. And this is what I had
(37:47):
said from the very beginning is Pittsburgh is going to
be a glossier, better, more refined version of the Jets.
They won't have a defendable run game. The protection will
be hitt and miss. They have a couple of young
Jets do and now the Steelers do a couple of
young offfensive lineman kind of you know they're building the
centers great from West Virginia Fraser, but you know they're
kind of figuring out what they are. They can't get
(38:07):
the on line right. So defensively, everybody said before the season, Oh,
they're going all in on this team, all in on defense.
Jalen Ramsey's been pretty good. The defense stinks and you
can't be giving away touchdowns in this league.
Speaker 3 (38:21):
So it's it's.
Speaker 1 (38:23):
And listen, Aaron at this point in his career. And
that's why I said, dude, sit the year out, retire,
or go to Minnesota. This is not a great fit
for Aaron. Older quarterbacks need one or two things. Ample
and consistent protection. Pittsburgh can't provide that, and a consistent
run game. Pittsburgh average three yards of rush. So by
(38:47):
the way, Sam Darnold, Sam had a bad pick. Sam
can have picks, but Sam Donold second week in a row,
either one or was driving for the winning touchdowns. So
as you watched the Minnesota Vikings last night, they wanted
to sign re sign Sam Darnold, and you're watching what's
going on in Minnesota, and you're watching Seattle. Seattle's pretty
(39:08):
good football team right now. The Steelers are twenty ninth
in time per drive, and so there was a say, oh,
Aaron's going to solve the quarterback issues. They can't sustain
possessions because they can't run the football, and that was
an issue.
Speaker 3 (39:22):
Again.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
There's certain things Aaron does very well. He sows a
beautiful back shoulder ball. He's got great velocity. He moves
poorly but for his age adequately. But you know, they
don't protect, they don't run the ball. And so what
happens is this Pittsburgh Steeler defense and you saw this yesterday,
is on the field too long. That's what you saw
against the Jets when you can't run the football. I
(39:45):
don't know if the right now, because remember Philadelphia had
to let go of some defensive players. As you start playing,
paying more and more of your star players, so Eagles
had to move off players. But the good news is
they control possessions. The tush push allows the Eagles to
continue drives. So time of possession in Philadelphia is usually
(40:07):
pretty good.
Speaker 3 (40:08):
What does that do?
Speaker 1 (40:09):
Defenses are always better when they're on the field less.
Right now, in Kansas City, you're asking yourself Kansas City's
defense justin Herbert aded alive.
Speaker 3 (40:19):
Well, Kansas City doesn't have a run game, so.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
Against Justin Herbert in the second half, that Kansas City
defense is on the field too much. So nothing makes
a talented defense look worse than being on the field.
So you watch the have you noticed in the first
two games for Kansas City the defense is better in
the first half than the second.
Speaker 3 (40:38):
Why the Chiefs can't run the ball.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
So you know your defensive guys run the field for
forty five steps, fifty five steps, they get tired. So
and so once again, the Steelers twenty ninth in time
per drive, thirtieth in rushing yards per attempt. So we said,
Aaron's not going to solve their issues at this point
in his career. He needs certain things to be provided.
(41:03):
The Jets couldn't and the Steelers can't. So this is
what they are, and this defense for Pittsburgh. When you
can't run the ball, remember the seasons now longer than
it's ever been, defensive players statistically get hurt more so
the key to a great defense is often a very
good sustained run game. So a defense in later portions
(41:25):
of the game, you said, you saw how tired the
Cowboy defense was of.
Speaker 3 (41:28):
The New York Giants defense. You'd only put defensive players
on the field. They have to predict what's happening. They
don't know what the play is. It's exhausting.
Speaker 1 (41:37):
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