September 16, 2025 • 41 mins
Colin ranks the top 10 teams in the NFL after week 2 and defends leaving the Chiefs off the Herd Hierarchy.
Nick Wright from First Things First joins the show to discuss the Chiefs 0-2 start and why the Eagles should be concerned about wide receiver AJ Brown.
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 1 (00:27):
Here we go, Welcome in our number two. Sorry, Nick
Wright's gonna be joining us in a couple of minutes.
So we're two weeks down. We head into week three.
Thursday Night, Buffalo is gonna hammer Miami.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
We're gonna have.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
That's probably gonna be a very fluid situation in Miami.
If you watched Mike McDaniel at the podium to the
first couple of weeks, like he looks unnerved, he has
lost his fast. Like the whole organization now is just
swimming in uncertainty. And so I think that will be decided.
Would if they get blown out, somebody may lose a job.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
That's what it feels like in Miami.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
All right, j Mac, It is the Herd hierarchy. Just
a heads up. The chiefs are not in it. I'll
explain that in a second, and here we go.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Heard hierarchy. Now go the top ten NFL teams according
to College number ten.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
I think the Indianapolis Colts have a much better roster
than people want to admit. They've already got a star
in Tyler Warren, Jonathan Taylor, Michael Pittman, Pierce offensive line
controlled the NFL leading team in sacks Denver. Denver could
not get the Daniel Jones first team in NFL history
that went ten for ten first ten possession. I've been
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on this for two years. I think they have an
excellent roster. They've drafted incredibly well. I like their players.
Jones plays at this B to B plus level. They're
gonna win this division. Colts at ten, number nine Commanders
now played Packers Thursday. They're gonna be fine because Terry
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McLaurin held out Jaden Daniels and they're one of six
teams without a giveaway this season. Like last year, they're
very efficient. They don't give it away. They just haven't
been able to get the offense right because McLaurin was
a holdout. Well, now off the Packer loss, they get
extra time Deebo and McLaurin. They play the Raiders, who
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just lost at home. I think Washington, I'm a buyer
here is going to this week look like the Washington
of last year.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
I like them.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
They're the oldest team in the league. They've got veteran leadership.
I like Washington at nine, number eight. I got to
give the forty nine ers credit. They're not even healthy.
Top ten in total offense, top ten in total defense,
two to zero, both wins on the road. That accounts
for something. They've been great on third down, one of
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the two teams picking up first downs at over a
fifty percent rate, and again Brandon Nayuk's hurt, George Kittle,
Brock Purty, Christian McCaffrey leads the NFL in touches right now.
So I'm always impressed when you can deal with injuries,
go on the road and win, I don't care who
you play.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
Niners at eight, number seven, Tampa Bay.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Again, they haven't played great football, but they've won two
road games, and dating back to last season, they've won
eight of their last nine regular season games. Baker Mayfield
since he arrived, leads the NFL in touchdown passes, second
in passing yard since twenty twenty three, and last night
was classic. They got a punt block, their special teams
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were a mess, and they go on the road and
win and so and they haven't had Tristan Wurse, they
haven't had Chris Godwin. So just like Washington, just like
some of these teams in front, when you can win
and you don't have some of your best players, like
San Francisco and Tampa, you're making.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
The hurt hierarchy. Number six, maybe I have them too low.
I'd put the Chargers.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
I do wonder if Hampton and Najie Harris when they're
gonna pop. Joe Alt's been great moving over to left tackle.
But let's be honest about the Chargers right now. Yeah,
their offense hasn't played well, and they've beaten the Chiefs,
and they've gone on the road and beaten the Raiders.
Justin Herbert under Jim Harbaugh thirty touchdowns and three picks.
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They don't have a lot of sizzle. But Quinton Johnson
emerging is a non bust and actually a legitimate deep threat.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
Matters a lot.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Number five.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
The Ravens.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
I worry about the back end of their defense, but
Lamar Jackson seven touchdowns, no picks in a passer rating
of one hundred and thirty six. I compared them last
hour to those great Atlanta Brave teams that won.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
A World Series.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
You can just pencil them in to win their division.
The GM, the coach, the owner, all great across the board.
Now their pass defense is going to bite them in
the you know what at some point this year. But
through two weeks, best offense in the league. Number four
the Bills. I worry about the back end of their defense,
which actually looks slow, but they're averaging thirty five and
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a half points a game, number one total offense in
the league. They actually run the football more than people
give them credit for.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
James Cook is really good.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
And their schedule is Tomato Cams, Dolphins, Saints, Patriots coming
up like Brady in this division. They're going to win
it as long as Josh Allen's in his prime. But
I again worry about the back end of this defense
because in the AFC there's too many good quarterbacks. The
Chiefs are going to get healthy. These games are going
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to be close. Number three the Rams. Their pass rush
is insane, highest graded offense, highest graidded passer in Matt Stafford.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
Again, this team least.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
Penalized in the NFL last year, and their defense was
the youngest eight sacks from six different players. I couldn't
even tell you the last time they missed on a
defensive draft pick. So I mean, they're zero to two
against the Eagles, nine to zero against everybody else in
their last eleven games. I have the Rams at three,
number two Philadelphia. Their passing game worries me. I mean
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they're the first team to go too and oh to
start a season without a passing touchdown in twenty five years,
So Jalen hurts. I mean AJ Brown has six catches
for about thirty five yards, So I don't know how
that's gonna work out. And you know, it almost feels
like now more often than not, they're reliant on the
Tousch push, but they're not playing offensively with a lot
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of tempo, and they don't they don't create fear. They
just sort of squish you for three and a half hours.
I have them at two, number one.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
Listen. I don't think Green Bay as a flaw.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
I think the cake was really good and then you
added the icing and Micah Parsons quarterback run game. Nobody
in the league drafts tight ends and wide receivers better
than green Bay.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
They're stacked and they're not paying any of them.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
So I think green Bay is by far and away
right now the best team in the league. I have
Kansas City at eleven. I have Denver troubling. They've been
sloppy at twelve again, I think the Chiefs will start
winning games now Xavier Worthy comes back. But I couldn't
say the last time the Chiefs were not in are
heard Hierarchy and with that, my friend Nick Wright joining
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us live.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
He by didn't like that Colts pick.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
It's bad.
Speaker 5 (07:40):
You mean you know, I mean, you're right, Colin, I
don't like. I don't like when you do bad things.
I have so much respect for you that, yeah, you're right.
I saw that, and you know what it reminded me of.
And you joh about their roster and Daniel Jones heard
Hierarchy twenty twenty four, Week three. Have you seen the
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Saints and Derek Carr start two?
Speaker 4 (08:05):
It? Oh, Alvin Kamara looks like young Alba Kamara.
Speaker 5 (08:09):
Soft division look out for New Orleans. I don't know
if they've won a game since then. I'm not saying
that's what's going to happen to the Colts, but it
feels very Saints have the best open to a season
and franchise history. Ish I do want, but and listen,
the Chiefs right now don't deserve If it's based purely
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on this season, lean out of the top ten. That's fine,
And I think it's what you're right, and I think
what you're saying is correct, which is they If this
were a team's most likely to win the Super Bowl ranking,
they would be firmly in the top ten. But it's
where they are right now, So I'm fine with that.
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I would like if I may, to spend a moment
on the Niners, because for you and I, it's really
been a fun last fifteen months watching the Niners because
you you know, folks like you and I were like, hey,
Jimmy Garoppolo's fine, probably not the bus driver there, And
folks are like, look at his winning percentage, and then
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he leaves there and he's a career back up.
Speaker 4 (09:17):
And then rock Perty comes.
Speaker 5 (09:18):
In and we're like, yeah, Brockberty's fine, but he's not
really the lead actor of the movie.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
Books like, hey, he left the Super Bowl field with
a lead. What do you give the manage respect. He
deserves his fifty million, And.
Speaker 5 (09:32):
Then you and I were like, well, maybe if he
didn't have all his weapons would be quite as good.
And then last year he doesn't and they win five games.
And then this year it's like, what if you replace
rock Perty with a guy everyone agrees can't play?
Speaker 4 (09:47):
How would that guy look?
Speaker 5 (09:48):
And that guy is the best game he's played in
three years? And now those same people are staring down
the barrel of am I gonna have to make the
argument that Mac Jones actually great?
Speaker 4 (10:00):
Or am I gonna have to fold my hand? And
you know what?
Speaker 5 (10:03):
They are looking at Mac Jones rookie year, Pro bowl
er ten wins. Maybe it's just you know, it took
a while to ripen. So I think the Niners Shanahan
deserves a lot of breadit for what he's done thus
far this.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
Season, I do it. Can I ask you one charger
question and then I'll give you a showback?
Speaker 3 (10:21):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (10:22):
I am.
Speaker 5 (10:24):
The thing I've liked the least about the Chiefs start
to their year is how much Patrick is running. He
saves that for the playoffs he gets, and now he's getting.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
I don't love that he feels like.
Speaker 5 (10:34):
He has to man, I feel like they are putting
Herbert in jeopardy early and often, and I don't love that.
And late last night, when the game is wrapped up,
they call a quarterback designed run, like I think he
is playing the best.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
Ball of his life, without question.
Speaker 5 (10:54):
I don't love them spending a first round pick on
a running back and justin Herbert's leading him in rush.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
I don't love that.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
No, and I think they've felt a receiver shy for three,
four or five years, and Keenan Allen has been. But
you know, Keenan's not going to play seventeen weeks. He won't,
He'll get banged up. So I just said this before
in Last Hour. I don't know what Nause, Harris and
Hampton become, but it's got to be better than this.
If you want to in the AFC, it's got to
be better than this. I would say this. I started
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my show saying this.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
It's years ago.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
A couple of years ago, I offered Baker to podcast
at the volume and he said no. But Colin and
I are frenemies. Were all good and so much of
what I see with Ben Johnson and Caleb, which is
two talented people that don't fit. Baker is perfect in
Tampa because Cleveland was all Hugh Jackson and Greg Williams
and the bitter Cleveland media, and he goes to sleepy
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Tampa and right now there is no argument he's a
top seven, eight, nine quarterback in the league, and I
think Tampa is a It's the perfect marriage, right like
it just no pressure. The media is helpful, they're not bitter.
What do you make of what you're watching?
Speaker 4 (12:05):
All right? So a few things.
Speaker 5 (12:06):
One is, maybe take another run at Baker with the
pod now that I'm part of the Volume team. Unlike
you guys, Baker and Iron frenemies, we're just actual friends.
I'd even be maybe be wanting to do an extra
pod a week if Bake shows doing it with me.
So we should talk about that. As far as your
top seven or eight right over the last two years, Colin, well,
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a year and two weeks since the beginning of last season,
he is top three or four in the NFL in
everything in yards, in touchdowns and rating and completion percentage.
Right now, Colin, if you were to do an MVP list,
he justin Herbert and Lamar in some order or another,
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probably the top three and I think Tampa has a
real shot. And listen, I picked Tampa to go to
the super Bowl in large part because I thought they
could have the number one seed. I think Philly and
Green Bays divisions are so much tougher than what Baker's
going to.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
Be dealing with.
Speaker 5 (13:08):
I think they could have an extraordinary season and starting
the year two games on the road, two games trailing late,
two games game winning drives.
Speaker 4 (13:18):
That's pretty special. Now to your point about.
Speaker 5 (13:21):
Cleveland, I think Cleveland could have been perfect for him,
and the fact like Cleveland was, his ruggedness and trash
talking and all of it should have fit Cleveland. But
the Browns, in their infinite wisdom, saw a player they
drafted number one overall win a playoff game for the
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Cleveland Browns in year three, then almost upset the Chiefs
in Arrowhead to go to the AFC title game. Yeah,
and a year later, because Odell's dad put out a
mixtape of missthrows, they were like, we can do better.
It's one of the biggest missteps any team has made
in the most important position in decades.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
You drafted the kid number one overall.
Speaker 5 (14:09):
He sets the rookie record for touchdown passes, after you
had gone one and thirty one the two years before
he got there. Year three, he's winning a playoff game
against Pittsburgh and you're done with him. It was bananas
what happened. And I'm so glad he is now establishing
himself and now staring at this coming off season one
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of those fifty five million dollars a year contracts, because
at the moment he's one of the two best bargains.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
And olds in the whole sport.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
Yeah, and now was saying this morning, there's ten two
and oh teams and ten oh to two teams, and
most of the and two teams are the teams that
every April lead the draft. Take the Chiefs out, They'll
make the playoffs. They're going to be fine. I think
they're fine. And I also think Houston's okay. They just
can't run block and CJ. Strouge running for his life,
so they Colts look better. Blah blah blah. But I
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do think there's a truth about the NFL with a
hard cap, that ownership matters, GMS matter, And I look
at the Chicago Bears and I said this yesterday. Wonderful
people get divorced and find their perfect mate. It doesn't
mean they're bad people, but fit is important. And Ben
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Johnson is a timing structure coach and Caleb is terrific
in opening drives and then he starts freelancing and it
doesn't look like it fits. It doesn't mean Caleb couldn't
work with Andy Reid, but I watched this Chicago thing
and I'm like, guys, it's not the coaching because on script,
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the two opening drives have been remarkable. But Caleb is
just too talented. There's too much horsepower, you know, to
put him in a box.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
Nick, I don't think it works. I don't think Ben
intil it works.
Speaker 5 (15:54):
So I here is my pushback on that one is
even and I saw your really great and I say
that sincerely, really great spot with Tom Brady last week
when you mentioned that your new kind of line of
demarcation is Thanksgiving year two and that you've sped it
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up from where you were previously, even by that kind
of expedited process. We're not there yet with Caleb. We're
certainly not there yet with Caleb and Ben, who have
two games together. My other pushback to what would be
Ben Johnson picked the Bears because of Caleb so he
must think that. I mean, he obviously watched Caleb knew
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who he was as a player, and said, yes, that's
where I want to go. So I think you are
being a little hasty in that regard that this won't work.
I do think work in progress is correct. I also
must tell you I feel personally a little silly secting
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Caleb Williams when right above his name on the bar
it says the Bears allowed fifty two points to the Lions.
I do think that probably was the bigger problem on
Sunday than Caleb freelancing a little bit.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
I said this is that if I used an example
of a young attorney goes to a law firm in
your hometown of Kansas City. He's ivy league, he's sharp,
but it's an old law firm with established partners, and
after about three years he's like, guys, I'm not getting
any cases. I'm gonna go to another law firm. Everybody
in the law firm would be like, totally get it.
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Even the partners totally get it. When Jalen Brunson leaves
the Mavericks, he likes, I need the ball in my hands, guys,
I need shots.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
Everybody's like, yeah, of course he does. Luke is the
better player.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
But AJ Brown plays Tennessee the most run centric team,
Philadelphia even more run centric. He's a top three receiver. Arguably,
he's an NBA player that can't get any shots. But
yet in the end, which is all about the shield
and unity in fun of the coach, it's like a
guy can't ask for a trade. I would totally support
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Aj Brown if he just said, guys, I love you.
I got five catches for thirty yards. This is a
terrible fit. Go throw to Devonte. Am I wrong on this?
Speaker 4 (18:18):
No, and I so a couple things. One is and
you should.
Speaker 5 (18:22):
I'll email it Tom if you want, because if you this,
I hadn't heard.
Speaker 4 (18:26):
You make this point. Aj Brown told us as much.
Speaker 5 (18:29):
Days after the Super Bowl, he posted an Instagram photo
talking about how and then he wrote in the caption,
and I'm paraphrasing, but about how the satisfaction of the
Super Bowl lasted two days. And then he said, and
again I'm paraphrasing, but it's almost a direct quote where
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I get my love for the game is what demoralizing
a defensive back is.
Speaker 4 (18:56):
Showing my excellence. He told us that's.
Speaker 5 (18:58):
Who he is, and that's part of the reason he's
become so great that while winning is fun, what he
plays for is, you know, dominating his matchup. And I
happen to think that if Ceedee.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
Lamb catches a ball.
Speaker 5 (19:15):
And if Travis Kelcey catches a ball, and the Eagles,
instead of being two and zero, are either zero to
two or even one in one. This is already a
huge story in Philadelphia because the fact of the matter
is their passing game, which remember last year when they
were already on a nine game winning streak. AJ Brown
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after the Carolina game said we need to improve on passing.
That then led to you know, the Jalen's big game
against the Steelers, AJ Reid on the sideline, all of it,
the whole thing. They were in the midst of. They
hadn't lost in months. He was frustrated. Now he's getting
less targets, less opportunity at any point in his career
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because they haven't lost.
Speaker 4 (20:02):
I think it is at a simmer.
Speaker 5 (20:05):
It will absolutely be at a full boil if they
play this style on Sunday and the Rams beat them.
And what I do think is noteworthy is unlike last
year when Saquon was in route to two thousand yards
and they were blowing people out. The Eagles deserve credit
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for getting those wins, but it's not as if if
AJ said, hey, we can be better on offense, he
would be wrong. Their offense had Their best offensive play
has been uh Jalen hurd scrambles and the tush push
where the entire team lines up off sides and the
guards false start with the NFL allows it like they
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have not been prolific right now. And I don't wouldn't frustrate.
I wouldn't mind if AJ or blame AJ if you
were frustrated.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
Yeah, finally, I said this yesterday, Joe Burrow, it gets
hurt a lot, and you can blame the ownership in
the old line, but Justin Fields gets hurt a lot,
and Justin Fields puts himself in harm way.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
Now Josh Allen can get away with it.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
But I watched Big Ben and Cam Newton huge man
six five sixty. I watched them age overnight why they
took shots. And I watched Joe Burrow. It's like, Joe,
you're you've got a normal frame. It's a six two
and a half is two twenty five man, I'm just
saying it is also incoming. I watched Eli Manning literally
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drop throw it away, pre snap reads, get out of hits, isrrect.
Speaker 4 (21:38):
This is Burrow.
Speaker 5 (21:39):
Yeah, so this is tricky because listen, it's primarily on
the Bengals. That offensive line's been bad for five years.
Speaker 4 (21:48):
It's there's the but.
Speaker 5 (21:52):
Burrow is so I'm so it's so interesting you said
big Ben because I evoked him in this same discussion
yesterday for a slightly different reason. Last year, right, take
the Chiefs with Patrick. The offensive line is a mess,
and Patrick begrudgingly, He's like, Okay, I guess it's going
to be bang bang bang out, dank and dunk, and
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you know I'm going to get rid of the ball.
Burrow is so intent and so excellent at what I
called yesterday big game hunting that he is. In week
one and in week two before the injury, he was
getting the snot kicked out of him Colin. And it
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wasn't like immediate pressure. It was he could have checked
it down, he could have gone away. He's trying to
hunt the big play, which you know he had five
thousand yards unbelievable year last year. You know, got MVP
votspite missing the playoffs, so he was rewarded for it.
But it wasn't shocking to me he got hurt. It
was sad. It makes you worried about him, but sometimes
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you have to protect yourself in different ways. And I
the reason I mentioned big Ben is in the pocket, Colin.
He plays a lot like Ben did, which is, there
might be people at my feet, I'm staying there.
Speaker 4 (23:14):
I'm gonna shake you off.
Speaker 5 (23:15):
But Big Ben was called Big Ben because he was
six five and a half, huge and impossible to bring down.
Burrow playing this style is just risky, and it's it again.
It feels almost like victim blame me, but your point
is correct some your If you're Joe Burrow, you know
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if I get hurt, the team is absolutely ruined. If
we don't hit this third and eight, we can recover
from it. And it's a shame that he now this
is where I'll leave it, Colin. He is likely going
to hold a record that no one else will ever
come close to and that no one else will which
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is next year he likely becomes the NFL's first ever
three times Comeback Player of the Year winner. And you
don't want that, And it's a shame for Joe because
he's such a great player.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Yeah, he's like a ten million dollar chandelier in an
empty mansion. They have no run game, so he's always
throwing on third and long. They don't protect him, they
don't spend money on defense, so he's only able to
win shootouts. You know, mahomes can win low scoring games.
I mean, they're tied with the Eagles ten ten and
a half. But there is something to be said about
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And again it's I'm not saying maybe it's eighty twenty
on the Bengals, but when guys are setting hurt over something.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
Yeah, and I'm going to.
Speaker 5 (24:44):
Give your producers one other job real quick. You just
said ten million dollars chandelier. There's a great meme that
describes that it's a Lamborghini parked in front of a traphouse.
Throw that on the screen for Colin at some point.
He'll like it because that's what the Bengals built.
Speaker 6 (25:00):
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Speaker 5 (25:00):
Chase Higgins is as nice of a trio as you
get everything else, as you know, leaky fawsts and crack foundations.
Speaker 4 (25:07):
It's no good.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
Good to see you, brother, all right, Nick?
Speaker 1 (25:09):
Right?
Speaker 3 (25:09):
Great stuff.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
Also, Last Hour Danny Parkins on the misery of being
a Bears fan, and Julian Edelman as well.
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Speaker 3 (25:58):
Sean mcfay is so intense as a coach.
Speaker 4 (26:01):
J mack.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
He got injured during the Tennessee game. Guitaurus plantar fasciidims,
whatever that is. I've heard of it, somebody injury. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
Mcveathis so painful apparently. Yeah, I mean we you know,
there are It just used to feel like years ago.
There's a lot of defensive coaches and there were a
couple of hot shot offensive coaches. You know, it could
be you know, a Bill Walsh or and Andy Reid
or a Don Coriel. And there were a handful of
really good offensive coaches, but it felt like there used
to be more defensive coaches. I mean, Sean mcvay's coaching tree,
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Andy Reid, there are so Shanahan, there are so many
good offensive coaches right now.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
I was I did a list last night.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
I was at home and I did a list of
quarterbacks I think are capable of getting to the playoffs.
And I came up with twenty one. And then I
didn't count mac Jones, Russell Wilson or Daniel Jones, who
all had great weekends. Nor did I count Pennix or
Drake May or cam Ward who look really good.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
But I don't annoyed them.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
We're getting to a saturation point if cam Ward can play,
and I think we both think he can. I'm a
big believer in Michael Pennix. I think Drake May is
gonna get there. I don't know what with Caleb or
JJ McCarthy. But I mean the fact that Russ, mac
Jones and Daniel Jones tore the league up, tore it
up Sunday tells you are offensive coaching right now. I
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mean I always felt in the NFL that are about
ten teams that needed a quarterback. I mean, is there
like six and we're going into a huge quarterback draft there.
I'm just watching Daniel Jones, Russell Wilson, Mac Jones tear
it up.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
I mean, not just play.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
Okay, Daniel Jones is ten for his first ten possessions
this year. There's some good quarterback play and excellent offensive coaching.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
That's all end state. J Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
This is the herd line News.
Speaker 8 (27:57):
Let's get started with the Houston Texans, those gig gigantic
frauds who let us down last night.
Speaker 6 (28:02):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
C J.
Speaker 6 (28:03):
Stroud has been putrid. And you know we got.
Speaker 8 (28:06):
A guy on staff here trying to sell me well,
the offensive line and the blocking tight end and Christian
Kirk and all these injuries.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
Stop it.
Speaker 6 (28:13):
Okay.
Speaker 9 (28:13):
C J.
Speaker 6 (28:14):
Stroud is four for eighteen on third down. Colin.
Speaker 8 (28:18):
The Texans are zero and three in They're zero for
three in the red zone. They their offense is a joke.
Right now, he knows the offense has to be better.
Here's Stroud at the podium.
Speaker 10 (28:27):
As a team, we all just stay together. Everybody's gonna
talk crazy and we suck. We did, we had and
at the end of the day, we got to stay
together and just mesh well. And you know, be honest,
I have hard conversations. But you know, I think right
now we need more confidence as a as an offense,
at least just confident playing better together. I think that's
a big thing.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
We're all, Yeah, they can't run the ball, so it's
a lot of third and long. They're not great for
new starters in pass protect so I mean it's I
was thinking this last night when you watched the game,
because I thought Houston would win. Houston blocked to pund
had several big passes downfield, had a huge return, but
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can't pick up a yard and the only team in
the league it's easier to complete a fifteen yard pass
than it is pick up two yards on a third
and two. They can't pick up short yards. They couldn't
against the Rams, they couldn't last night.
Speaker 8 (29:20):
It's not just the run, though Stroud is way off
targeting Colin. They're on the doorstep in the fourth quarter
and Stroud misses two throws that a top ten quarterback
mix and listen. We need to have an honest conversation
about c J.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
Stroud.
Speaker 8 (29:32):
Yes, he was great as a rookie, Bryce Young struggled
and what before him in the draft.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
C J.
Speaker 8 (29:37):
Strouder regressed last year and CJ. Stroud so far this
year against two teams were in the playoffs last year.
Given that he has looked awful right now, you can't
convince me he's a top fifteen quarterback in the league.
Speaker 6 (29:48):
I'm so, I'm not going.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
To hear it.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
Well, Baker ol played him last night's mile. Yeah, that's
inarguable Baker Mayfield right now now, I think Baker has
some advantages, a much better running back room even without
Tristan Wurf's better protection.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
That matters. Emoo.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
Buka is also going to be a star. Although he
had a drop last night.
Speaker 6 (30:08):
It was an if he was a defender, came over
a man.
Speaker 4 (30:11):
Great play.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
But but I will say Baker's got the better role
line without Tristan Wurfs and Baker's got I mean, they've
got like two or three nights running back. Bucky Everrying's good,
good running back.
Speaker 6 (30:20):
Okay, let's let me ask you. You love this game.
Speaker 8 (30:22):
We do in the offseason, but I think it bears mentioning.
If I told you for the next two years you
could have Jared Goff for CJ.
Speaker 6 (30:29):
Stroud, who are you taking? You got to think about that.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
I still like c J. Stroud.
Speaker 6 (30:36):
I think, my gosh, are you out of your mind?
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Jared Goff has two great backs, a great tight end,
a star receiver, and two legitimate Pro Bowl tackles.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
Well, what are you plan with? I mean CJ.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
Strouds John Damon, bad protections, Jordan Lover, c J.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
Strout, Jordan Love easy.
Speaker 6 (30:55):
You said Baker for sure?
Speaker 3 (30:57):
Right? You have Baker right now over Cjay.
Speaker 6 (30:59):
Now listen, I don't overreact.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
Okay, Shrevor Lawrence or c J.
Speaker 8 (31:03):
Stroud, CJ. Stroud, No way, uh uh. I will not
stand for that. I cannot wait till they play head
to head. I'm just telling you, Trevor Lawrence. Trevor Lawrence
is he's not living up to expectations, but he's not awful.
Speaker 11 (31:14):
C J.
Speaker 8 (31:14):
Stroud has shown a lot of awful on tape this year.
Kle look at last year. He's running into sacks and
I know the offensive line's not great.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
Man.
Speaker 4 (31:23):
C J.
Speaker 8 (31:23):
Stroud, let me down. Last night, Big Time. Let's move
on to the next story. Listen, this stinks. Jayden Daniel's
got an MRI after suffering a knee injury against the
Green Bay Packers, and his status for the Sunday game
against the Raiders is in jeopardy. Here's Dan Quinn on
his franchise quarterback.
Speaker 11 (31:41):
The strength part of things the movements, and that's step one.
John then on the field to change direction, the pivoting,
the moving, all of those would be the things to go.
So we'll just take it, you know, as it goes,
you know, through the week. But he'd have to see
all of the steps you know, along this week to
to hit those marks. The speed, the stopping, the change
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of direction, all of it.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
This is what we did worry about out of college.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
No, I've said, I think he's going to look a
lot like Lamar Jackson, not quite as fast, but a
better pockets roller. But my concern was I don't know
if he can stay healthy because he is Spinday, he
is light. So he got banged up for about two
weeks last year but played.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
And he's banged up again.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
I don't think it's not like a JJ McCarthy where
he can't stay healthy at all. But this I think
this was the concern, which is why Deebo Samuel is
a great get. But make sure the offensive line gets
built for the next several years. Because this is not
a guy who said this. When you have Tua who's
got a smaller frame, you got to have a good
old line. The Dolphins haven't. So like there's certain quarterbacks
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in this league Josh Allen Herbert, they can take hits.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
Jaden's not one of those guys. He needs protection.
Speaker 8 (32:53):
So if you're playing a long game in your Washington
I think you got to sit him out against the Raiders.
It's a non division on conference matchup. If you lose,
it's not the end of the world. It doesn't impact
you next week. However, you're in Atlanta, that's a team
that you could be battling for a wildcard Birds. I
think you need him after that Chargers, that's gonna be
a very tough game. I personally would sit him, and
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I think the line is telling you that they probably will.
Speaker 6 (33:17):
It's down to Washington minus three.
Speaker 8 (33:20):
This was headed towards six because obviously they're on extended
rest having played last Thursday. Raiders just played last night
and have to travel across the country. I think Mariota
can get this job done.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
Your thoughts, yeah, I mean I think when you lay
it out that way, it's early. I think they're gonna
be fine. They've already got to win over the Giants,
so and again, the Raiders are on a short week
that you can you can win with a backup, you
could win with Mariota. So I'm that's probably the play.
I think Washington's gonna be fine. I think this is
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just slowing down the Terry McLaurin Jaden Daniel's relationship, which
already felt like it was behind. So I think you
worry about that, But I don't worry about the coach,
the staff, the quarterback, the playmakers.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
I don't worry about that.
Speaker 6 (34:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (34:04):
So final note, Colin, So we have now five starting
quarterbacks who have been injured.
Speaker 6 (34:09):
It's been two weeks. Okay, you and I bimoan.
Speaker 8 (34:12):
When the NBA playoffs stars get hurt, Colin, this is
bad news for the league. Joe Burrow's the star. He's
out three months. Jaden Daniels is a budding star justin fields.
Speaker 6 (34:21):
You know whatever. Jets are unwatchable anyway.
Speaker 8 (34:23):
McCarthy that's not great, and Brock Perdy that's terrible. These
are one two. So this is basically but the playoff teams.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
Purdy is hurt again, McCarthy's hurt again, Burrow's hurt again.
Fields is hurt again. So four of those guys get
hurt regularly. No, that's not nothing against the league. The
four of those guys are always banged.
Speaker 8 (34:46):
No, I'm just saying it's bad for the league because now,
I mean, you're are you watching Marcus Mariota versus Gito Smith?
I mean, come on, that's not really watchable. Jade Dangiels
is playing.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
The games of the week are going to be Rams, Eagles, Rare's, Cowboys, Niners, Arizona.
I think the games that I want to watch are
not affected by those quarterbacks.
Speaker 8 (35:05):
I mean, I mean, I like Jayden Daniels, I mean
I like watching him.
Speaker 4 (35:07):
I like Joe.
Speaker 8 (35:08):
He's always in fun games. It's just I don't know
how you fix this. Quarterbacks are gonna get hurt.
Speaker 3 (35:13):
What do you want.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
Sixty play a year. That's the reason why. That's why
a team like Chicago pays the backup. When Sean Payton
got the Denver he paid Jared Stidham like twelve million.
Everybody went why, and it's like, well, that's what you
have to do. It's a legitimate position.
Speaker 8 (35:26):
The final story is Arch manning Colin. Listen, we're not
gonna beat up on the kid. He was not great
against UTEP. I think you were recruited by like the
likes of UTEP back in the day. Listen, Arch knows
he can be better. Here he is talking about it.
Speaker 12 (35:41):
I got I gotta play better. It's not good enough,
as y'all can see. I gotta play better for us too.
Maybe it slides against UTAB, but it's not gonna when
it's game's get sec. I gotta play better, going back
to basics, finishing throws, get my hips through, and just
focusing on it throughout the week of practice and learning it.
Ripping game.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
Are you mad at your house?
Speaker 12 (36:02):
A little bit?
Speaker 3 (36:04):
I'm just frustrated.
Speaker 12 (36:05):
I know him better than this.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
Now they're missing receivers and running backs. So right now
the defense is great, they are missing, you know, receivers
and backs. And it was a young offense anyway, with
four new starters in the offensive line, so the offense
was going to be a work in progress. To me,
it's more arm angles and confidence. It just doesn't look right,
and I think that's a big part of quarterback play.
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It either looks right that Julian saying for Ohio State
when they play it, it just looks right. He looked composed,
his feet were good, he didn't miss the layup. So
right now, a lot of it is aesthetics. It just
looks like he's struggling.
Speaker 8 (36:40):
I mean, look at that throw against Utip. Anyways, he
was eleven for twenty five for one hundred and sixty
five yards Colin. For this season, Archie Manning is completing
fifty five percent of his pass Two of those opponents
have been absolute jokers.
Speaker 3 (36:55):
Yeah, it's a thing. No, it has been.
Speaker 8 (36:59):
I mean, he's not a thing. It's over. We're not
talking about arts anymore. It's official producers.
Speaker 4 (37:04):
No more arts.
Speaker 6 (37:05):
Sorry, it's done. They're not He's not good.
Speaker 8 (37:07):
There's other quarterbacks we could talk about.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
There's no question lame in anybody cave club. Nick has struggled.
I'll tell you. Jade Mayov at USC Oh, come, I'm
telling you leaves the country right now. Ooh okay, what listen.
Speaker 8 (37:22):
I just looked up the line for you seventeen and
a half against Sparty. I mean, it's does Sparty even
feel a team at this point? What's going on here?
Speaker 3 (37:30):
I would watch USC's quarterback.
Speaker 6 (37:34):
I may have to go to a game. Maybe I'll
get the executives to take.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
Me to one the chef. I'm not joking when I
say this.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
If you don't think Lincoln Riley can coach, go look
at that quarterback last year and this year.
Speaker 3 (37:43):
He is a draftable quarterback.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
Now he is an NFL draftable quarterback where I don't
know he's totally draftable yet.
Speaker 9 (37:50):
Jmack with the News, Well that's the news, and thanks
for stopping back The Herd Line News Julian Edelman, Danny
Parkins the misery of a Bears fan that'll show up
in the last hour of The Herd.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
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Speaker 8 (38:12):
Start your Saturday strong with Big Noon Saturday, Utah and
Texas Tech battling for the top of the Big twelve.
Speaker 6 (38:18):
It all kicks off.
Speaker 8 (38:19):
At ten Eastern with Big Noon kickoffs live from Salt
Lake City. Then it's Texas Tech Utah only on Fox.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
Yeah, Texas techa program with a billionaire who's still all
that money.
Speaker 8 (38:32):
Yeah, hey, low key, this is a huge game. I
like Texas Tech to go to the playoff Colin Obviously,
Utah is great at home. Is a big time game.
It's kind of under the radar, but I think there's
a fantastic matchup.
Speaker 3 (38:44):
Utah's the most underrated college football program.
Speaker 6 (38:46):
For every few years. Yeah, but Texas Tech they've got.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
Been in two in their last eighteen bowl games or
something like. Utah is so well coached they are. Yeah,
I mean I'll take Utah and big games at home.
I'll take you Toah. By the way, here's the herd hierarchy.
I kept Kansas City out of it. It is not standings,
but it's closer to standings than it is projecting who's
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going to be in the Super Bowl. But I have Packers, Eagles, Rams,
Bill's Ravens, Chargers, Bucks, Niners. I still believe in the Commanders.
With Jayden Daniels, I think they just I think extra rest.
If Jaden Daniels played with extra you know, they played
on Thursday night, I think they'll start smoking here pretty quick.
Speaker 3 (39:26):
I think the.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
Colts are right now. I think you have to be
honest about it. Tyler warrens a star at tight end.
They have a lot of weapons that you know. I
was talking to Chris Ballad in the offseason. They had
joint practices with the Ravens and the Packers, and all
I'm going to say is he left those joint practices
thinking we got some players. I think the Colts roster.
I having on this for two years, I think the
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Colts roster is good. If Daniel Jones is going to
be to a B plus that that team's going to
win the divisions. They have the best roster in that division.
If Daniel Jones is this, they are winning that division.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
Absolutely.
Speaker 8 (40:01):
I know they'll never let us do it. But if
you really think they have the best roster in the division,
you can set ten best players versus Jaggs, and the
Jags got them and the tensions probably did.
Speaker 1 (40:09):
You watch Denver's defensive line, the best pass rush in
the league the last two years could not get to
Daniel Jones.
Speaker 6 (40:17):
I think they got him three times. But anyways, different less.
Speaker 8 (40:20):
Let me just quickly point out everything is coming up
Indianapolis since Indiana Fever got Caitlin Clark, they got you
got the Pacers making all these runs. You got Kaitlin Clark,
and now the Colts are too and zero all of
a sudden the Midwest. You moved to the Midwest, like
there's some kind of gravitational.
Speaker 6 (40:35):
Pull that Indiana is like becoming.
Speaker 1 (40:39):
Most the organizations have drafted well, the Pacers, the Colts
and the Fever, But in the end we spend so
much time, I mean, worrying about quarterbacks. But when you're
surrounded with Pittman and Taylor and Warren and you have
an excellent offensive line, Daniel Jones with Shane Steichen. Remember
Kevin O'Connell liked it. We've always said this about quarterbacks.
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What coaches like you? Shanahan like Donald, Kevin O'Connell like Donald.
They liked Donald. So the bottom line here is Shane
Steiken liked Daniel Jones, Kevin O'Connell liked him. I don't
think he's great. I think he's kind of a poor
man Alex Smith. But here's Nick right on the Chiefs
not being in.
Speaker 4 (41:24):
Right now.
Speaker 5 (41:25):
Don't deserve if it's based purely on this season, lean
out of the top ten. If this were a team's
most likely to win the super Bowl ranking, they would
be firmly in the top ten. But it's where they
are right now, so I'm fine with that.
Speaker 1 (41:41):
I've always said the top four teams and hurt hierarchy.
Those are teams capable of.
Speaker 3 (41:46):
Winning the super Bowl. Five on No.
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 1 (00:27):
Here we go, Welcome in our number two. Sorry, Nick
Wright's gonna be joining us in a couple of minutes.
So we're two weeks down. We head into week three.
Thursday Night, Buffalo is gonna hammer Miami.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
We're gonna have.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
That's probably gonna be a very fluid situation in Miami.
If you watched Mike McDaniel at the podium to the
first couple of weeks, like he looks unnerved, he has
lost his fast. Like the whole organization now is just
swimming in uncertainty. And so I think that will be decided.
Would if they get blown out, somebody may lose a job.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
That's what it feels like in Miami.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
All right, j Mac, It is the Herd hierarchy. Just
a heads up. The chiefs are not in it. I'll
explain that in a second, and here we go.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Heard hierarchy. Now go the top ten NFL teams according
to College number ten.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
I think the Indianapolis Colts have a much better roster
than people want to admit. They've already got a star
in Tyler Warren, Jonathan Taylor, Michael Pittman, Pierce offensive line
controlled the NFL leading team in sacks Denver. Denver could
not get the Daniel Jones first team in NFL history
that went ten for ten first ten possession. I've been
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on this for two years. I think they have an
excellent roster. They've drafted incredibly well. I like their players.
Jones plays at this B to B plus level. They're
gonna win this division. Colts at ten, number nine Commanders
now played Packers Thursday. They're gonna be fine because Terry
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McLaurin held out Jaden Daniels and they're one of six
teams without a giveaway this season. Like last year, they're
very efficient. They don't give it away. They just haven't
been able to get the offense right because McLaurin was
a holdout. Well, now off the Packer loss, they get
extra time Deebo and McLaurin. They play the Raiders, who
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just lost at home. I think Washington, I'm a buyer
here is going to this week look like the Washington
of last year.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
I like them.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
They're the oldest team in the league. They've got veteran leadership.
I like Washington at nine, number eight. I got to
give the forty nine ers credit. They're not even healthy.
Top ten in total offense, top ten in total defense,
two to zero, both wins on the road. That accounts
for something. They've been great on third down, one of
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the two teams picking up first downs at over a
fifty percent rate, and again Brandon Nayuk's hurt, George Kittle,
Brock Purty, Christian McCaffrey leads the NFL in touches right now.
So I'm always impressed when you can deal with injuries,
go on the road and win, I don't care who
you play.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
Niners at eight, number seven, Tampa Bay.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Again, they haven't played great football, but they've won two
road games, and dating back to last season, they've won
eight of their last nine regular season games. Baker Mayfield
since he arrived, leads the NFL in touchdown passes, second
in passing yard since twenty twenty three, and last night
was classic. They got a punt block, their special teams
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were a mess, and they go on the road and
win and so and they haven't had Tristan Wurse, they
haven't had Chris Godwin. So just like Washington, just like
some of these teams in front, when you can win
and you don't have some of your best players, like
San Francisco and Tampa, you're making.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
The hurt hierarchy. Number six, maybe I have them too low.
I'd put the Chargers.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
I do wonder if Hampton and Najie Harris when they're
gonna pop. Joe Alt's been great moving over to left tackle.
But let's be honest about the Chargers right now. Yeah,
their offense hasn't played well, and they've beaten the Chiefs,
and they've gone on the road and beaten the Raiders.
Justin Herbert under Jim Harbaugh thirty touchdowns and three picks.
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They don't have a lot of sizzle. But Quinton Johnson
emerging is a non bust and actually a legitimate deep threat.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
Matters a lot.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Number five.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
The Ravens.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
I worry about the back end of their defense, but
Lamar Jackson seven touchdowns, no picks in a passer rating
of one hundred and thirty six. I compared them last
hour to those great Atlanta Brave teams that won.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
A World Series.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
You can just pencil them in to win their division.
The GM, the coach, the owner, all great across the board.
Now their pass defense is going to bite them in
the you know what at some point this year. But
through two weeks, best offense in the league. Number four
the Bills. I worry about the back end of their defense,
which actually looks slow, but they're averaging thirty five and
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a half points a game, number one total offense in
the league. They actually run the football more than people
give them credit for.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
James Cook is really good.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
And their schedule is Tomato Cams, Dolphins, Saints, Patriots coming
up like Brady in this division. They're going to win
it as long as Josh Allen's in his prime. But
I again worry about the back end of this defense
because in the AFC there's too many good quarterbacks. The
Chiefs are going to get healthy. These games are going
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to be close. Number three the Rams. Their pass rush
is insane, highest graded offense, highest graidded passer in Matt Stafford.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
Again, this team least.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
Penalized in the NFL last year, and their defense was
the youngest eight sacks from six different players. I couldn't
even tell you the last time they missed on a
defensive draft pick. So I mean, they're zero to two
against the Eagles, nine to zero against everybody else in
their last eleven games. I have the Rams at three,
number two Philadelphia. Their passing game worries me. I mean
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they're the first team to go too and oh to
start a season without a passing touchdown in twenty five years,
So Jalen hurts. I mean AJ Brown has six catches
for about thirty five yards, So I don't know how
that's gonna work out. And you know, it almost feels
like now more often than not, they're reliant on the
Tousch push, but they're not playing offensively with a lot
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of tempo, and they don't they don't create fear. They
just sort of squish you for three and a half hours.
I have them at two, number one.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
Listen. I don't think Green Bay as a flaw.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
I think the cake was really good and then you
added the icing and Micah Parsons quarterback run game. Nobody
in the league drafts tight ends and wide receivers better
than green Bay.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
They're stacked and they're not paying any of them.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
So I think green Bay is by far and away
right now the best team in the league. I have
Kansas City at eleven. I have Denver troubling. They've been
sloppy at twelve again, I think the Chiefs will start
winning games now Xavier Worthy comes back. But I couldn't
say the last time the Chiefs were not in are
heard Hierarchy and with that, my friend Nick Wright joining
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us live.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
He by didn't like that Colts pick.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
It's bad.
Speaker 5 (07:40):
You mean you know, I mean, you're right, Colin, I
don't like. I don't like when you do bad things.
I have so much respect for you that, yeah, you're right.
I saw that, and you know what it reminded me of.
And you joh about their roster and Daniel Jones heard
Hierarchy twenty twenty four, Week three. Have you seen the
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Saints and Derek Carr start two?
Speaker 4 (08:05):
It? Oh, Alvin Kamara looks like young Alba Kamara.
Speaker 5 (08:09):
Soft division look out for New Orleans. I don't know
if they've won a game since then. I'm not saying
that's what's going to happen to the Colts, but it
feels very Saints have the best open to a season
and franchise history. Ish I do want, but and listen,
the Chiefs right now don't deserve If it's based purely
(08:32):
on this season, lean out of the top ten. That's fine,
And I think it's what you're right, and I think
what you're saying is correct, which is they If this
were a team's most likely to win the Super Bowl ranking,
they would be firmly in the top ten. But it's
where they are right now, So I'm fine with that.
(08:52):
I would like if I may, to spend a moment
on the Niners, because for you and I, it's really
been a fun last fifteen months watching the Niners because
you you know, folks like you and I were like, hey,
Jimmy Garoppolo's fine, probably not the bus driver there, And
folks are like, look at his winning percentage, and then
(09:14):
he leaves there and he's a career back up.
Speaker 4 (09:17):
And then rock Perty comes.
Speaker 5 (09:18):
In and we're like, yeah, Brockberty's fine, but he's not
really the lead actor of the movie.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
Books like, hey, he left the Super Bowl field with
a lead. What do you give the manage respect. He
deserves his fifty million, And.
Speaker 5 (09:32):
Then you and I were like, well, maybe if he
didn't have all his weapons would be quite as good.
And then last year he doesn't and they win five games.
And then this year it's like, what if you replace
rock Perty with a guy everyone agrees can't play?
Speaker 4 (09:47):
How would that guy look?
Speaker 5 (09:48):
And that guy is the best game he's played in
three years? And now those same people are staring down
the barrel of am I gonna have to make the
argument that Mac Jones actually great?
Speaker 4 (10:00):
Or am I gonna have to fold my hand? And
you know what?
Speaker 5 (10:03):
They are looking at Mac Jones rookie year, Pro bowl
er ten wins. Maybe it's just you know, it took
a while to ripen. So I think the Niners Shanahan
deserves a lot of breadit for what he's done thus
far this.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
Season, I do it. Can I ask you one charger
question and then I'll give you a showback?
Speaker 3 (10:21):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (10:22):
I am.
Speaker 5 (10:24):
The thing I've liked the least about the Chiefs start
to their year is how much Patrick is running. He
saves that for the playoffs he gets, and now he's getting.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
I don't love that he feels like.
Speaker 5 (10:34):
He has to man, I feel like they are putting
Herbert in jeopardy early and often, and I don't love that.
And late last night, when the game is wrapped up,
they call a quarterback designed run, like I think he
is playing the best.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
Ball of his life, without question.
Speaker 5 (10:54):
I don't love them spending a first round pick on
a running back and justin Herbert's leading him in rush.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
I don't love that.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
No, and I think they've felt a receiver shy for three,
four or five years, and Keenan Allen has been. But
you know, Keenan's not going to play seventeen weeks. He won't,
He'll get banged up. So I just said this before
in Last Hour. I don't know what Nause, Harris and
Hampton become, but it's got to be better than this.
If you want to in the AFC, it's got to
be better than this. I would say this. I started
(11:23):
my show saying this.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
It's years ago.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
A couple of years ago, I offered Baker to podcast
at the volume and he said no. But Colin and
I are frenemies. Were all good and so much of
what I see with Ben Johnson and Caleb, which is
two talented people that don't fit. Baker is perfect in
Tampa because Cleveland was all Hugh Jackson and Greg Williams
and the bitter Cleveland media, and he goes to sleepy
(11:46):
Tampa and right now there is no argument he's a
top seven, eight, nine quarterback in the league, and I
think Tampa is a It's the perfect marriage, right like
it just no pressure. The media is helpful, they're not bitter.
What do you make of what you're watching?
Speaker 4 (12:05):
All right? So a few things.
Speaker 5 (12:06):
One is, maybe take another run at Baker with the
pod now that I'm part of the Volume team. Unlike
you guys, Baker and Iron frenemies, we're just actual friends.
I'd even be maybe be wanting to do an extra
pod a week if Bake shows doing it with me.
So we should talk about that. As far as your
top seven or eight right over the last two years, Colin, well,
(12:27):
a year and two weeks since the beginning of last season,
he is top three or four in the NFL in
everything in yards, in touchdowns and rating and completion percentage.
Right now, Colin, if you were to do an MVP list,
he justin Herbert and Lamar in some order or another,
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probably the top three and I think Tampa has a
real shot. And listen, I picked Tampa to go to
the super Bowl in large part because I thought they
could have the number one seed. I think Philly and
Green Bays divisions are so much tougher than what Baker's
going to.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
Be dealing with.
Speaker 5 (13:08):
I think they could have an extraordinary season and starting
the year two games on the road, two games trailing late,
two games game winning drives.
Speaker 4 (13:18):
That's pretty special. Now to your point about.
Speaker 5 (13:21):
Cleveland, I think Cleveland could have been perfect for him,
and the fact like Cleveland was, his ruggedness and trash
talking and all of it should have fit Cleveland. But
the Browns, in their infinite wisdom, saw a player they
drafted number one overall win a playoff game for the
(13:43):
Cleveland Browns in year three, then almost upset the Chiefs
in Arrowhead to go to the AFC title game. Yeah,
and a year later, because Odell's dad put out a
mixtape of missthrows, they were like, we can do better.
It's one of the biggest missteps any team has made
in the most important position in decades.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
You drafted the kid number one overall.
Speaker 5 (14:09):
He sets the rookie record for touchdown passes, after you
had gone one and thirty one the two years before
he got there. Year three, he's winning a playoff game
against Pittsburgh and you're done with him. It was bananas
what happened. And I'm so glad he is now establishing
himself and now staring at this coming off season one
(14:32):
of those fifty five million dollars a year contracts, because
at the moment he's one of the two best bargains.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
And olds in the whole sport.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
Yeah, and now was saying this morning, there's ten two
and oh teams and ten oh to two teams, and
most of the and two teams are the teams that
every April lead the draft. Take the Chiefs out, They'll
make the playoffs. They're going to be fine. I think
they're fine. And I also think Houston's okay. They just
can't run block and CJ. Strouge running for his life,
so they Colts look better. Blah blah blah. But I
(15:00):
do think there's a truth about the NFL with a
hard cap, that ownership matters, GMS matter, And I look
at the Chicago Bears and I said this yesterday. Wonderful
people get divorced and find their perfect mate. It doesn't
mean they're bad people, but fit is important. And Ben
(15:20):
Johnson is a timing structure coach and Caleb is terrific
in opening drives and then he starts freelancing and it
doesn't look like it fits. It doesn't mean Caleb couldn't
work with Andy Reid, but I watched this Chicago thing
and I'm like, guys, it's not the coaching because on script,
(15:41):
the two opening drives have been remarkable. But Caleb is
just too talented. There's too much horsepower, you know, to
put him in a box.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
Nick, I don't think it works. I don't think Ben
intil it works.
Speaker 5 (15:54):
So I here is my pushback on that one is
even and I saw your really great and I say
that sincerely, really great spot with Tom Brady last week
when you mentioned that your new kind of line of
demarcation is Thanksgiving year two and that you've sped it
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up from where you were previously, even by that kind
of expedited process. We're not there yet with Caleb. We're
certainly not there yet with Caleb and Ben, who have
two games together. My other pushback to what would be
Ben Johnson picked the Bears because of Caleb so he
must think that. I mean, he obviously watched Caleb knew
(16:39):
who he was as a player, and said, yes, that's
where I want to go. So I think you are
being a little hasty in that regard that this won't work.
I do think work in progress is correct. I also
must tell you I feel personally a little silly secting
(17:00):
Caleb Williams when right above his name on the bar
it says the Bears allowed fifty two points to the Lions.
I do think that probably was the bigger problem on
Sunday than Caleb freelancing a little bit.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
I said this is that if I used an example
of a young attorney goes to a law firm in
your hometown of Kansas City. He's ivy league, he's sharp,
but it's an old law firm with established partners, and
after about three years he's like, guys, I'm not getting
any cases. I'm gonna go to another law firm. Everybody
in the law firm would be like, totally get it.
(17:36):
Even the partners totally get it. When Jalen Brunson leaves
the Mavericks, he likes, I need the ball in my hands, guys,
I need shots.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
Everybody's like, yeah, of course he does. Luke is the
better player.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
But AJ Brown plays Tennessee the most run centric team,
Philadelphia even more run centric. He's a top three receiver. Arguably,
he's an NBA player that can't get any shots. But
yet in the end, which is all about the shield
and unity in fun of the coach, it's like a
guy can't ask for a trade. I would totally support
(18:07):
Aj Brown if he just said, guys, I love you.
I got five catches for thirty yards. This is a
terrible fit. Go throw to Devonte. Am I wrong on this?
Speaker 4 (18:18):
No, and I so a couple things. One is and
you should.
Speaker 5 (18:22):
I'll email it Tom if you want, because if you this,
I hadn't heard.
Speaker 4 (18:26):
You make this point. Aj Brown told us as much.
Speaker 5 (18:29):
Days after the Super Bowl, he posted an Instagram photo
talking about how and then he wrote in the caption,
and I'm paraphrasing, but about how the satisfaction of the
Super Bowl lasted two days. And then he said, and
again I'm paraphrasing, but it's almost a direct quote where
(18:50):
I get my love for the game is what demoralizing
a defensive back is.
Speaker 4 (18:56):
Showing my excellence. He told us that's.
Speaker 5 (18:58):
Who he is, and that's part of the reason he's
become so great that while winning is fun, what he
plays for is, you know, dominating his matchup. And I
happen to think that if Ceedee.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
Lamb catches a ball.
Speaker 5 (19:15):
And if Travis Kelcey catches a ball, and the Eagles,
instead of being two and zero, are either zero to
two or even one in one. This is already a
huge story in Philadelphia because the fact of the matter
is their passing game, which remember last year when they
were already on a nine game winning streak. AJ Brown
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after the Carolina game said we need to improve on passing.
That then led to you know, the Jalen's big game
against the Steelers, AJ Reid on the sideline, all of it,
the whole thing. They were in the midst of. They
hadn't lost in months. He was frustrated. Now he's getting
less targets, less opportunity at any point in his career
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because they haven't lost.
Speaker 4 (20:02):
I think it is at a simmer.
Speaker 5 (20:05):
It will absolutely be at a full boil if they
play this style on Sunday and the Rams beat them.
And what I do think is noteworthy is unlike last
year when Saquon was in route to two thousand yards
and they were blowing people out. The Eagles deserve credit
(20:26):
for getting those wins, but it's not as if if
AJ said, hey, we can be better on offense, he
would be wrong. Their offense had Their best offensive play
has been uh Jalen hurd scrambles and the tush push
where the entire team lines up off sides and the
guards false start with the NFL allows it like they
(20:47):
have not been prolific right now. And I don't wouldn't frustrate.
I wouldn't mind if AJ or blame AJ if you
were frustrated.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
Yeah, finally, I said this yesterday, Joe Burrow, it gets
hurt a lot, and you can blame the ownership in
the old line, but Justin Fields gets hurt a lot,
and Justin Fields puts himself in harm way.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
Now Josh Allen can get away with it.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
But I watched Big Ben and Cam Newton huge man
six five sixty. I watched them age overnight why they
took shots. And I watched Joe Burrow. It's like, Joe,
you're you've got a normal frame. It's a six two
and a half is two twenty five man, I'm just
saying it is also incoming. I watched Eli Manning literally
(21:31):
drop throw it away, pre snap reads, get out of hits, isrrect.
Speaker 4 (21:38):
This is Burrow.
Speaker 5 (21:39):
Yeah, so this is tricky because listen, it's primarily on
the Bengals. That offensive line's been bad for five years.
Speaker 4 (21:48):
It's there's the but.
Speaker 5 (21:52):
Burrow is so I'm so it's so interesting you said
big Ben because I evoked him in this same discussion
yesterday for a slightly different reason. Last year, right, take
the Chiefs with Patrick. The offensive line is a mess,
and Patrick begrudgingly, He's like, Okay, I guess it's going
to be bang bang bang out, dank and dunk, and
(22:14):
you know I'm going to get rid of the ball.
Burrow is so intent and so excellent at what I
called yesterday big game hunting that he is. In week
one and in week two before the injury, he was
getting the snot kicked out of him Colin. And it
(22:35):
wasn't like immediate pressure. It was he could have checked
it down, he could have gone away. He's trying to
hunt the big play, which you know he had five
thousand yards unbelievable year last year. You know, got MVP
votspite missing the playoffs, so he was rewarded for it.
But it wasn't shocking to me he got hurt. It
was sad. It makes you worried about him, but sometimes
(22:59):
you have to protect yourself in different ways. And I
the reason I mentioned big Ben is in the pocket, Colin.
He plays a lot like Ben did, which is, there
might be people at my feet, I'm staying there.
Speaker 4 (23:14):
I'm gonna shake you off.
Speaker 5 (23:15):
But Big Ben was called Big Ben because he was
six five and a half, huge and impossible to bring down.
Burrow playing this style is just risky, and it's it again.
It feels almost like victim blame me, but your point
is correct some your If you're Joe Burrow, you know
(23:39):
if I get hurt, the team is absolutely ruined. If
we don't hit this third and eight, we can recover
from it. And it's a shame that he now this
is where I'll leave it, Colin. He is likely going
to hold a record that no one else will ever
come close to and that no one else will which
(24:00):
is next year he likely becomes the NFL's first ever
three times Comeback Player of the Year winner. And you
don't want that, And it's a shame for Joe because
he's such a great player.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Yeah, he's like a ten million dollar chandelier in an
empty mansion. They have no run game, so he's always
throwing on third and long. They don't protect him, they
don't spend money on defense, so he's only able to
win shootouts. You know, mahomes can win low scoring games.
I mean, they're tied with the Eagles ten ten and
a half. But there is something to be said about
(24:34):
And again it's I'm not saying maybe it's eighty twenty
on the Bengals, but when guys are setting hurt over something.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
Yeah, and I'm going to.
Speaker 5 (24:44):
Give your producers one other job real quick. You just
said ten million dollars chandelier. There's a great meme that
describes that it's a Lamborghini parked in front of a traphouse.
Throw that on the screen for Colin at some point.
He'll like it because that's what the Bengals built.
Speaker 6 (25:00):
Our own.
Speaker 5 (25:00):
Chase Higgins is as nice of a trio as you
get everything else, as you know, leaky fawsts and crack foundations.
Speaker 4 (25:07):
It's no good.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
Good to see you, brother, all right, Nick?
Speaker 1 (25:09):
Right?
Speaker 3 (25:09):
Great stuff.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
Also, Last Hour Danny Parkins on the misery of being
a Bears fan, and Julian Edelman as well.
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Speaker 3 (25:58):
Sean mcfay is so intense as a coach.
Speaker 4 (26:01):
J mack.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
He got injured during the Tennessee game. Guitaurus plantar fasciidims,
whatever that is. I've heard of it, somebody injury. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
Mcveathis so painful apparently. Yeah, I mean we you know,
there are It just used to feel like years ago.
There's a lot of defensive coaches and there were a
couple of hot shot offensive coaches. You know, it could
be you know, a Bill Walsh or and Andy Reid
or a Don Coriel. And there were a handful of
really good offensive coaches, but it felt like there used
to be more defensive coaches. I mean, Sean mcvay's coaching tree,
(26:35):
Andy Reid, there are so Shanahan, there are so many
good offensive coaches right now.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
I was I did a list last night.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
I was at home and I did a list of
quarterbacks I think are capable of getting to the playoffs.
And I came up with twenty one. And then I
didn't count mac Jones, Russell Wilson or Daniel Jones, who
all had great weekends. Nor did I count Pennix or
Drake May or cam Ward who look really good.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
But I don't annoyed them.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
We're getting to a saturation point if cam Ward can play,
and I think we both think he can. I'm a
big believer in Michael Pennix. I think Drake May is
gonna get there. I don't know what with Caleb or
JJ McCarthy. But I mean the fact that Russ, mac
Jones and Daniel Jones tore the league up, tore it
up Sunday tells you are offensive coaching right now. I
(27:25):
mean I always felt in the NFL that are about
ten teams that needed a quarterback. I mean, is there
like six and we're going into a huge quarterback draft there.
I'm just watching Daniel Jones, Russell Wilson, Mac Jones tear
it up.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
I mean, not just play.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
Okay, Daniel Jones is ten for his first ten possessions
this year. There's some good quarterback play and excellent offensive coaching.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
That's all end state. J Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
This is the herd line News.
Speaker 8 (27:57):
Let's get started with the Houston Texans, those gig gigantic
frauds who let us down last night.
Speaker 6 (28:02):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
C J.
Speaker 6 (28:03):
Stroud has been putrid. And you know we got.
Speaker 8 (28:06):
A guy on staff here trying to sell me well,
the offensive line and the blocking tight end and Christian
Kirk and all these injuries.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
Stop it.
Speaker 6 (28:13):
Okay.
Speaker 9 (28:13):
C J.
Speaker 6 (28:14):
Stroud is four for eighteen on third down. Colin.
Speaker 8 (28:18):
The Texans are zero and three in They're zero for
three in the red zone. They their offense is a joke.
Right now, he knows the offense has to be better.
Here's Stroud at the podium.
Speaker 10 (28:27):
As a team, we all just stay together. Everybody's gonna
talk crazy and we suck. We did, we had and
at the end of the day, we got to stay
together and just mesh well. And you know, be honest,
I have hard conversations. But you know, I think right
now we need more confidence as a as an offense,
at least just confident playing better together. I think that's
a big thing.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
We're all, Yeah, they can't run the ball, so it's
a lot of third and long. They're not great for
new starters in pass protect so I mean it's I
was thinking this last night when you watched the game,
because I thought Houston would win. Houston blocked to pund
had several big passes downfield, had a huge return, but
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can't pick up a yard and the only team in
the league it's easier to complete a fifteen yard pass
than it is pick up two yards on a third
and two. They can't pick up short yards. They couldn't
against the Rams, they couldn't last night.
Speaker 8 (29:20):
It's not just the run, though Stroud is way off
targeting Colin. They're on the doorstep in the fourth quarter
and Stroud misses two throws that a top ten quarterback
mix and listen. We need to have an honest conversation
about c J.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
Stroud.
Speaker 8 (29:32):
Yes, he was great as a rookie, Bryce Young struggled
and what before him in the draft.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
C J.
Speaker 8 (29:37):
Strouder regressed last year and CJ. Stroud so far this
year against two teams were in the playoffs last year.
Given that he has looked awful right now, you can't
convince me he's a top fifteen quarterback in the league.
Speaker 6 (29:48):
I'm so, I'm not going.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
To hear it.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
Well, Baker ol played him last night's mile. Yeah, that's
inarguable Baker Mayfield right now now, I think Baker has
some advantages, a much better running back room even without
Tristan Wurf's better protection.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
That matters. Emoo.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
Buka is also going to be a star. Although he
had a drop last night.
Speaker 6 (30:08):
It was an if he was a defender, came over
a man.
Speaker 4 (30:11):
Great play.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
But but I will say Baker's got the better role
line without Tristan Wurfs and Baker's got I mean, they've
got like two or three nights running back. Bucky Everrying's good,
good running back.
Speaker 6 (30:20):
Okay, let's let me ask you. You love this game.
Speaker 8 (30:22):
We do in the offseason, but I think it bears mentioning.
If I told you for the next two years you
could have Jared Goff for CJ.
Speaker 6 (30:29):
Stroud, who are you taking? You got to think about that.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
I still like c J. Stroud.
Speaker 6 (30:36):
I think, my gosh, are you out of your mind?
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Jared Goff has two great backs, a great tight end,
a star receiver, and two legitimate Pro Bowl tackles.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
Well, what are you plan with? I mean CJ.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
Strouds John Damon, bad protections, Jordan Lover, c J.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
Strout, Jordan Love easy.
Speaker 6 (30:55):
You said Baker for sure?
Speaker 3 (30:57):
Right? You have Baker right now over Cjay.
Speaker 6 (30:59):
Now listen, I don't overreact.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
Okay, Shrevor Lawrence or c J.
Speaker 8 (31:03):
Stroud, CJ. Stroud, No way, uh uh. I will not
stand for that. I cannot wait till they play head
to head. I'm just telling you, Trevor Lawrence. Trevor Lawrence
is he's not living up to expectations, but he's not awful.
Speaker 11 (31:14):
C J.
Speaker 8 (31:14):
Stroud has shown a lot of awful on tape this year.
Kle look at last year. He's running into sacks and
I know the offensive line's not great.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
Man.
Speaker 4 (31:23):
C J.
Speaker 8 (31:23):
Stroud, let me down. Last night, Big Time. Let's move
on to the next story. Listen, this stinks. Jayden Daniel's
got an MRI after suffering a knee injury against the
Green Bay Packers, and his status for the Sunday game
against the Raiders is in jeopardy. Here's Dan Quinn on
his franchise quarterback.
Speaker 11 (31:41):
The strength part of things the movements, and that's step one.
John then on the field to change direction, the pivoting,
the moving, all of those would be the things to go.
So we'll just take it, you know, as it goes,
you know, through the week. But he'd have to see
all of the steps you know, along this week to
to hit those marks. The speed, the stopping, the change
(32:02):
of direction, all of it.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
This is what we did worry about out of college.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
No, I've said, I think he's going to look a
lot like Lamar Jackson, not quite as fast, but a
better pockets roller. But my concern was I don't know
if he can stay healthy because he is Spinday, he
is light. So he got banged up for about two
weeks last year but played.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
And he's banged up again.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
I don't think it's not like a JJ McCarthy where
he can't stay healthy at all. But this I think
this was the concern, which is why Deebo Samuel is
a great get. But make sure the offensive line gets
built for the next several years. Because this is not
a guy who said this. When you have Tua who's
got a smaller frame, you got to have a good
old line. The Dolphins haven't. So like there's certain quarterbacks
(32:45):
in this league Josh Allen Herbert, they can take hits.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
Jaden's not one of those guys. He needs protection.
Speaker 8 (32:53):
So if you're playing a long game in your Washington
I think you got to sit him out against the Raiders.
It's a non division on conference matchup. If you lose,
it's not the end of the world. It doesn't impact
you next week. However, you're in Atlanta, that's a team
that you could be battling for a wildcard Birds. I
think you need him after that Chargers, that's gonna be
a very tough game. I personally would sit him, and
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I think the line is telling you that they probably will.
Speaker 6 (33:17):
It's down to Washington minus three.
Speaker 8 (33:20):
This was headed towards six because obviously they're on extended
rest having played last Thursday. Raiders just played last night
and have to travel across the country. I think Mariota
can get this job done.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
Your thoughts, yeah, I mean I think when you lay
it out that way, it's early. I think they're gonna
be fine. They've already got to win over the Giants,
so and again, the Raiders are on a short week
that you can you can win with a backup, you
could win with Mariota. So I'm that's probably the play.
I think Washington's gonna be fine. I think this is
(33:51):
just slowing down the Terry McLaurin Jaden Daniel's relationship, which
already felt like it was behind. So I think you
worry about that, But I don't worry about the coach,
the staff, the quarterback, the playmakers.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
I don't worry about that.
Speaker 6 (34:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (34:04):
So final note, Colin, So we have now five starting
quarterbacks who have been injured.
Speaker 6 (34:09):
It's been two weeks. Okay, you and I bimoan.
Speaker 8 (34:12):
When the NBA playoffs stars get hurt, Colin, this is
bad news for the league. Joe Burrow's the star. He's
out three months. Jaden Daniels is a budding star justin fields.
Speaker 6 (34:21):
You know whatever. Jets are unwatchable anyway.
Speaker 8 (34:23):
McCarthy that's not great, and Brock Perdy that's terrible. These
are one two. So this is basically but the playoff teams.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
Purdy is hurt again, McCarthy's hurt again, Burrow's hurt again.
Fields is hurt again. So four of those guys get
hurt regularly. No, that's not nothing against the league. The
four of those guys are always banged.
Speaker 8 (34:46):
No, I'm just saying it's bad for the league because now,
I mean, you're are you watching Marcus Mariota versus Gito Smith?
I mean, come on, that's not really watchable. Jade Dangiels
is playing.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
The games of the week are going to be Rams, Eagles, Rare's, Cowboys, Niners, Arizona.
I think the games that I want to watch are
not affected by those quarterbacks.
Speaker 8 (35:05):
I mean, I mean, I like Jayden Daniels, I mean
I like watching him.
Speaker 4 (35:07):
I like Joe.
Speaker 8 (35:08):
He's always in fun games. It's just I don't know
how you fix this. Quarterbacks are gonna get hurt.
Speaker 3 (35:13):
What do you want.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
Sixty play a year. That's the reason why. That's why
a team like Chicago pays the backup. When Sean Payton
got the Denver he paid Jared Stidham like twelve million.
Everybody went why, and it's like, well, that's what you
have to do. It's a legitimate position.
Speaker 8 (35:26):
The final story is Arch manning Colin. Listen, we're not
gonna beat up on the kid. He was not great
against UTEP. I think you were recruited by like the
likes of UTEP back in the day. Listen, Arch knows
he can be better. Here he is talking about it.
Speaker 12 (35:41):
I got I gotta play better. It's not good enough,
as y'all can see. I gotta play better for us too.
Maybe it slides against UTAB, but it's not gonna when
it's game's get sec. I gotta play better, going back
to basics, finishing throws, get my hips through, and just
focusing on it throughout the week of practice and learning it.
Ripping game.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
Are you mad at your house?
Speaker 12 (36:02):
A little bit?
Speaker 3 (36:04):
I'm just frustrated.
Speaker 12 (36:05):
I know him better than this.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
Now they're missing receivers and running backs. So right now
the defense is great, they are missing, you know, receivers
and backs. And it was a young offense anyway, with
four new starters in the offensive line, so the offense
was going to be a work in progress. To me,
it's more arm angles and confidence. It just doesn't look right,
and I think that's a big part of quarterback play.
(36:27):
It either looks right that Julian saying for Ohio State
when they play it, it just looks right. He looked composed,
his feet were good, he didn't miss the layup. So
right now, a lot of it is aesthetics. It just
looks like he's struggling.
Speaker 8 (36:40):
I mean, look at that throw against Utip. Anyways, he
was eleven for twenty five for one hundred and sixty
five yards Colin. For this season, Archie Manning is completing
fifty five percent of his pass Two of those opponents
have been absolute jokers.
Speaker 3 (36:55):
Yeah, it's a thing. No, it has been.
Speaker 8 (36:59):
I mean, he's not a thing. It's over. We're not
talking about arts anymore. It's official producers.
Speaker 4 (37:04):
No more arts.
Speaker 6 (37:05):
Sorry, it's done. They're not He's not good.
Speaker 8 (37:07):
There's other quarterbacks we could talk about.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
There's no question lame in anybody cave club. Nick has struggled.
I'll tell you. Jade Mayov at USC Oh, come, I'm
telling you leaves the country right now. Ooh okay, what listen.
Speaker 8 (37:22):
I just looked up the line for you seventeen and
a half against Sparty. I mean, it's does Sparty even
feel a team at this point? What's going on here?
Speaker 3 (37:30):
I would watch USC's quarterback.
Speaker 6 (37:34):
I may have to go to a game. Maybe I'll
get the executives to take.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
Me to one the chef. I'm not joking when I
say this.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
If you don't think Lincoln Riley can coach, go look
at that quarterback last year and this year.
Speaker 3 (37:43):
He is a draftable quarterback.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
Now he is an NFL draftable quarterback where I don't
know he's totally draftable yet.
Speaker 9 (37:50):
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for stopping back The Herd Line News Julian Edelman, Danny
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Speaker 2 (38:02):
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Speaker 8 (38:12):
Start your Saturday strong with Big Noon Saturday, Utah and
Texas Tech battling for the top of the Big twelve.
Speaker 6 (38:18):
It all kicks off.
Speaker 8 (38:19):
At ten Eastern with Big Noon kickoffs live from Salt
Lake City. Then it's Texas Tech Utah only on Fox.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
Yeah, Texas techa program with a billionaire who's still all
that money.
Speaker 8 (38:32):
Yeah, hey, low key, this is a huge game. I
like Texas Tech to go to the playoff Colin Obviously,
Utah is great at home. Is a big time game.
It's kind of under the radar, but I think there's
a fantastic matchup.
Speaker 3 (38:44):
Utah's the most underrated college football program.
Speaker 6 (38:46):
For every few years. Yeah, but Texas Tech they've got.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
Been in two in their last eighteen bowl games or
something like. Utah is so well coached they are. Yeah,
I mean I'll take Utah and big games at home.
I'll take you Toah. By the way, here's the herd hierarchy.
I kept Kansas City out of it. It is not standings,
but it's closer to standings than it is projecting who's
(39:09):
going to be in the Super Bowl. But I have Packers, Eagles, Rams,
Bill's Ravens, Chargers, Bucks, Niners. I still believe in the Commanders.
With Jayden Daniels, I think they just I think extra rest.
If Jaden Daniels played with extra you know, they played
on Thursday night, I think they'll start smoking here pretty quick.
Speaker 3 (39:26):
I think the.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
Colts are right now. I think you have to be
honest about it. Tyler warrens a star at tight end.
They have a lot of weapons that you know. I
was talking to Chris Ballad in the offseason. They had
joint practices with the Ravens and the Packers, and all
I'm going to say is he left those joint practices
thinking we got some players. I think the Colts roster.
I having on this for two years, I think the
(39:46):
Colts roster is good. If Daniel Jones is going to
be to a B plus that that team's going to
win the divisions. They have the best roster in that division.
If Daniel Jones is this, they are winning that division.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
Absolutely.
Speaker 8 (40:01):
I know they'll never let us do it. But if
you really think they have the best roster in the division,
you can set ten best players versus Jaggs, and the
Jags got them and the tensions probably did.
Speaker 1 (40:09):
You watch Denver's defensive line, the best pass rush in
the league the last two years could not get to
Daniel Jones.
Speaker 6 (40:17):
I think they got him three times. But anyways, different less.
Speaker 8 (40:20):
Let me just quickly point out everything is coming up
Indianapolis since Indiana Fever got Caitlin Clark, they got you
got the Pacers making all these runs. You got Kaitlin Clark,
and now the Colts are too and zero all of
a sudden the Midwest. You moved to the Midwest, like
there's some kind of gravitational.
Speaker 6 (40:35):
Pull that Indiana is like becoming.
Speaker 1 (40:39):
Most the organizations have drafted well, the Pacers, the Colts
and the Fever, But in the end we spend so
much time, I mean, worrying about quarterbacks. But when you're
surrounded with Pittman and Taylor and Warren and you have
an excellent offensive line, Daniel Jones with Shane Steichen. Remember
Kevin O'Connell liked it. We've always said this about quarterbacks.
(41:03):
What coaches like you? Shanahan like Donald, Kevin O'Connell like Donald.
They liked Donald. So the bottom line here is Shane
Steiken liked Daniel Jones, Kevin O'Connell liked him. I don't
think he's great. I think he's kind of a poor
man Alex Smith. But here's Nick right on the Chiefs
not being in.
Speaker 4 (41:24):
Right now.
Speaker 5 (41:25):
Don't deserve if it's based purely on this season, lean
out of the top ten. If this were a team's
most likely to win the super Bowl ranking, they would
be firmly in the top ten. But it's where they
are right now, so I'm fine with that.
Speaker 1 (41:41):
I've always said the top four teams and hurt hierarchy.
Those are teams capable of.
Speaker 3 (41:46):
Winning the super Bowl. Five on No.
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