September 29, 2025 • 41 mins
Colin delivers his weekly segment: "Where Colin Was Right, Where Colin Was Wrong", owning up to his miss on the Dallas Cowboys, but standing firm on his take about San Francisco 49ers QB Brock Purdy
Matt Hasselbeck stops by The Herd to talk about the Rams come from behind win over the Colts, the youth of the Packers, Lamar Jackson continuing to lose to the Chiefs, and more.
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
All right. Here we go our two and a Monday lot,
going on to Monday night football games tonight. Colin right
wrong in a second, Matt Hasselback, Cooper Degene, I know
I felt at Jean. You know, listen, I have a
little I got a little French. Now. This show gives
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Cup all weekend. You know I know my stuffs international flair. Okjmac.
Can I just say another thing? Well, I'm not even
gonna I'm not I'm gonna go there.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
That's one of my favorites.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Can I say one thing?
Speaker 1 (01:07):
You know?
Speaker 3 (01:07):
You sure, Canon, it's your show, go for it. What
do you want to say?
Speaker 1 (01:11):
No? No, No, I'm gonna wait till now. I'm gonna wait speech.
You can say whatever you want.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
Come on, let's hear no, no, no, I'm gonna do it
in about fifteen minutes. Oh maybe thirty minutes. Right here
we go.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Colin Wright, Colin wrong, plenty of both in a Monday
where Colin was right. I said last week with Baltimore,
I don't want to hear its injuries. I'm not sure
what they do well defensively. They weren't good on Monday
night and they're not good now. That's the best game
Patrick Mahomes has played in a long time. Look at
what Kansas City did seven yards of play. Kansas City's rebuilding,
their own line, has no run game, Travis Kelcey. You
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get about one big play a game, and they don't
have a number one receiver. I mean, Mahomes hasn't played
that well in so long. So it's not like Kansas
City doesn't have injuries. Rashie Rice isn't playing. This is
Worthy's first game back. They lost their best offensive linemen.
They have no real consistent game Baltimore. I said it
last week. I think it's time to panic. You may
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need more than just getting guys healthy on the defensive.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Side, where Colin was rogged.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Outside of the Bears game, Brian Schottenheimer has looked buttoned up.
I know the Cowboys are won two and one, but
they're getting the ball to the right people. I mean,
this is the best I've seen Dak play in eight years.
You got to get you gotta get Brian Schottenheimer some
credit for it. They didn't have Cede Lamb and they
mixed them. They mixed it up very well. Again, their
clock management was better than Green Bay. Some of that's
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just Dak's been around. He's a smart guy. But I
will say they're wildly entertaining to watch. They're in every game.
They should have beaten if not for a CD Lamb drop,
they should have beaten Philadelphia. I thought this team was
going to be absolutely potentially the second third worst team
in the league, and they're a They're a pretty fun
team to watch, and Dak has played out of his mind.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Oh brought pretty or mac Jones, You tell me there's
a difference. Wasn't the knock on brock pretty out of college?
He was a bit small and reckless. Well, so far
this year, four tds four picks. He's got more turnovers
than total touchdowns. I know the Niners had some drops,
but they also had a couple of guys make catches
that could have been potentially intercepted that they not made
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the catch, So he did not play well. Again, he's
banged up. I understand that these are professional athletes. It's
the NFL. Everybody's banged up by week three and four.
I don't see the massive gap. I think Perty's better
than Mac Jones, but I don't see the forty five
million dollar.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Gap where Colin was wrong.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
That is the best game offensively I have seen the
Steelers play in maybe six years. Honestly, Aaron was tremendous.
The back shoulder throws, the tempo. I mean the Steelers
have had an offensive line issue in a run game
issue since Big Ben's second to last year. DK Metcalf
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and Aaron really connected. Steelers had six sacks and a
lot of that. The Vikings old lines all banged out.
But I don't want to hear about it. All I
know is when I watched that game, that was a
twenty twenty five offense, a number one receiver, a consistent
run game, good pass pro Aaron deserves credit they have.
He is leading this offense and he deserves credit because
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if you're a Steeler fan, when's the last time you
saw a third down, a game plan, a run game
that consistent. And Minnesota's got real players. Brian Floor is
a great DC. Where Colin was right, Well, I've said
Matt Stafford maybe the best thrower of a football in
the world. He put on a clinic yesterday. I mean
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I have him in the Super Bowl bubble. He and
Pooka are arguably the best quarterback wide receiver combo even
too two Atwell, who was a bus they kept around
for a year, ended up having the game winner McVeigh
Plus Stafford and that defense, this is a real team.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
Indianapolis is no joke.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
They got they have a roster, but Stafford game winning
drives just absolutely beautiful to watch. He is the best
pocket quarterback we've had in.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
A long time.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
Where Colin was raw.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
Yeah, I got a.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Little ahead of myself on USC first real challenge, got
pushed around by Illinois. The same Illinois team that had
one hundred and sixty total yards against Indiana had over
five hundred. Everybody's banging on Lincoln Riley because they scored
so quickly. Well, you don't want to get cute on
the road. They just looked lost. They got burned on
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this Philly special. They didn't consistently generate a pass rush.
I don't know what it is, but the longer D'Anton lynn,
a great d coordinator is in USC, the softer the
defense gets and I I think he's done a great
job with Jaden Miyob at the quarterback, but defensively the
back end is atrocious.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
Sam Darnold is elite. He's the winningest quarterback in the
league since the beginning of last year. This year completing
seventy percent of his throws one hundred and six passer rating.
What I like this team is Green Bay young Offensively,
This is an incredibly young roster. Donald moves from Minnesota.
They jam him in. They go from Kevin O'Connell and
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Justin jeffersonto a bunch of kids. He's had two game
winning drives in four games. He is a great fit.
For years and years, I said, I watched Sam Darnold play.
He won in high school at USC, at Minnesota and Seattle.
Who's winning with the Panthers and the Jets. This guy
can play where Colin was right. Dante Moore. If I
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had a number one pick in the draft, I would
pick Dante Moore the quarterback for Oregon. This kid the poise,
the stoicism, that is a loud road environment. Oregon's a
young team. He is phenomenal. I said last week, I'm
gonna take Oregon. Dante is next level. Some of these throws.
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This kid is really good. And all the quarterbacks we
thought were gonna be great coming into the season. Drew Aller,
Kate Pleubnick. That's the number one pick in the draft.
This this kid is if he wants to come out,
he may not, but this kid, this kid is really
good to go on the road to be his age
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and he's just not.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
Bothered at all.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
I get if you're a thirty two year old NFL quarterback,
but that's intimidating. That is an intimidating place you on
the road in overtime and he's making throws off platform.
Wow with that. Matt Hasselback, he loved to throw off.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
Platform to his coach's chagrin.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Sometimes this league is this league is nuts.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
This this league is nuts.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
I want to start with Matt Stafford, because Indy kind
of gave this game away. When I watch Matt Stafford play,
I'm not I'm taking if you just said, okay, you
can't move out of the pocket, you sit in the
pocket and you have to throw. I'm not sure there's
three guys that have ever been better throwing from the pocket.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
What do you see with Stafford?
Speaker 5 (08:11):
Yeah, well I agree, and he did give the game away.
Speaker 6 (08:13):
But no, listen, Matthew Stafford was the question coming into
this season, like his health was the question. They've got
this great roster, but he's thirty seven years old and
he's got this back injuries, walking around like he's constipated
for four weeks and we're like, oh, shoot, like this
he's not gonna be able to play this year. And
he comes out he looks amazing. It doesn't surprise me
that he looks amazing throwing the ball, but he looks
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amazing like moving in the pocket, you know, like torquing
his body, all those different things.
Speaker 5 (08:39):
I mean, look out, look out, NFC.
Speaker 6 (08:41):
This is a team, and this is a quarterback that
does not fear the Philadelphia Eagles. So I think matchup wise,
what he's got going with Puca and DeVante. I think
this is a real threat to winning it all in
the NFC because of Matthew Stafford.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
So I want to go back and talk about the Packers,
So I said, Pump the Brakes. Listen older teams like
McVeigh and Stafford, and these are veteran teams. They know
how to close out games. The Eagles have a lot
of older guys, the Chiefs do Buffalo. Green Bay's a
bunch of kids, I said. Matt Lafleor is the coach,
he's a chaperone. It's like a college team. There are
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a bunch of kids. They don't know how to close
out games. They're clock management. There's a reason Dallas's clock
management's pretty good. Dak's really smart and he's been doing
this for a decade. I think Green Bay's fine. I
think part of this is Matt. There's still They've been
the youngest team in the league for three years. They're
just trying to figure out how to close these games
against inferior opponents.
Speaker 5 (09:37):
Yeah, well, it's a young league.
Speaker 6 (09:38):
And I also think, like no one's really talking about this,
but the two minute operation has changed everything because of
the new k ball rule, kickers, field goal kickers.
Speaker 5 (09:47):
Their rains just changed. Like when I was playing, I
was the holder or the backup holder most of my career.
Speaker 6 (09:52):
You had to get to the thirty three yard line.
That is no longer the line. And if you have
these kickers, they could kick a sixty five yarder. So
the two minute operation for quarterbacks, the new kickoff, the
dynamic kickoff, and you got these quarterbacks who can spread
it all around the field. I think you're gonna see
more exciting late game teams out of it, but they're
not really out of it late late in the game.
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I thought, offensively, both offenses were pretty awesome. I thought
the defenses, this will be a tough one to watch
for both teams today.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
So I said, it's weird, there's been I mean, like
I always felt like golf and baseball are sports because
there's a lot of lag time that sometimes in golf,
you know, I've seen great players like Greg Norman just evaporate,
or in baseball, I've seen great players like a Rod
go into a series, it gets into his head and
he can't hit. But in football, basketball, hockey, the sports
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are fast, you know. I mean there's another snap, another shot,
But I look at Lamar Jackson and I honestly think
Kansas City's a bit in his head. I think he
overthinks it. I mean, off, you take away the script
the first series. You know, he just I mean, is it.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
Or is it this? Matt Spags is a great coach.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
He's now got six or seven games against him, He's
got the beats on him.
Speaker 4 (11:08):
Maybe is it that? I mean, what is wrong with
Lamar and the Chiefs?
Speaker 7 (11:12):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (11:12):
I do.
Speaker 6 (11:13):
Listen, I think there are some defensive coordinators that they
don't feel.
Speaker 5 (11:16):
They don't fear certain great players.
Speaker 6 (11:19):
Lamar Jackson is no doubt a great player, but for
whatever reasons, East Bagnolo and the Chiefs, I don't think
they fear him like the rest of the league does.
In fact, I would put Mike Tomlin and the Steelers
in that boat too. Those might be the only two
the rest of the league fears him. So this is
a tough matchup for him.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
You know.
Speaker 6 (11:36):
And I think that, Like I just remember when I
was in Seattle, there were we felt like we could
beat anybody. We felt good going up against, you know,
Ray Lewis's defense, the Ravens, like we felt good about them.
But like there were some teams we didn't feel good about,
like Mike Martz, The Greatest Show on Turf going up
against his teams, like we just never felt good about that.
Ir Locker and the Bears. That wasn't a good matchup
for us for whatever reason. The Chiefs, they feel like
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they've got a system and a game plan that works
with the Ravens, and it's tough when it's such a
rivalry game, and I wonder, I guess I would wonder
if Lamar feels.
Speaker 5 (12:09):
Like he's got to put the team on his back
when he goes up against the Patrick Mahomes. That's what
I would wonder.
Speaker 6 (12:14):
Because I think he's capable of just playing his normal
game from the pocket, not taking so many sacks. But
sometimes when he tries to put the team on his
back and use his legs too much, I don't think
it's the best thing for him. He's an MVP quarterback
as a thrower from the pocket if he wants.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
To be so.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
I thought in the early game that was the most
complete Steeler offense I have seen in years, And I
thought Aaron looked lively. He had a bounce. I thought,
you know, they're running the ball now a little bit
they did. And my take is, does Aaron deserve credit
for that? Because Pittsburgh can't get the on line of
the run game right for seven years and Aaron arrives
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and it's like you can always say it's luck, but
they're now winning games that I don't know.
Speaker 4 (12:58):
I just thought, what is it? Aaron looked.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Maybe it's the guinness he had before. I thought he
looked really, I thought he looked ten years younger.
Speaker 6 (13:05):
Honestly, Yeah, you joke about the guinness. But I do
think there's something about great elite quarterbacks who are doing
it into their forties.
Speaker 5 (13:11):
You got to like not get bored.
Speaker 6 (13:13):
And I think that environment probably like like was exciting
for him.
Speaker 5 (13:17):
Getting DK Metcalf.
Speaker 6 (13:18):
Involved, I think unlocks this offense quite a bit. But
in that Arthur Smith offense, there's a lot of leeway
on the quarterback.
Speaker 5 (13:25):
Like a lot of plays, it could be a.
Speaker 6 (13:27):
Run, it could be a pass, kind of up to
the quarterback to decide the play caller kind of calls both.
And you're an artist, not a blacksmith in terms of
how you paint your canvas as a quarterback, and Aaron
Rodgers is great at that. I think leaning into more
run game on those check with me is probably does
help the offensive line and ultimately helps the team. They
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looked really good. Their division doesn't look good, so this
looks like a playoff team. I just hope that, you know,
they're in the honeymoon phase right now with Mike Tomlin
and Aaron Rodgers. I hope that they continue on this
path and don't go kind of on that New York
Jets path of last year and kind of forget how
to help all eleven guys be successful, most of all
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up front with the offensive line.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
Okay, I want to talk a couple young quarterbacks. First
of all, Drake may We said he was justin Herbert,
but he didn't have the snaps he's got. The coach,
Will Campbell looks like it's gonna work. The rest of
the O line little shaky. The running game is good.
I don't know I watched Drake may now I've watched
him the last three weeks. That looks like a hit.
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That looks like a franchise quarterback to me, what say you? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (14:34):
Definitely still learning though.
Speaker 6 (14:35):
I mean three weeks ago they destroyed Miami down in Miami.
Two weeks ago, they played Pittsburgh and they played way
better than the Steelers. They just turned the ball over
five times, and Drake was a part of two of those,
and so like that's you know, I don't care how
great you are from the twenty to the twenty. If
you're turning the ball over, that's not winning football. So
he got that corrected. They got that corrected. That was
a total beatdown against Carolina. That's kind of what I
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think people are excited about. So this is a team
to watch, Mike Vrabel. When you get the head coach right,
get the quarterback right, you know, everything else kind of
falls into line usually. So they got a big matchup.
I think it's at Buffalo this week. Look out for
this team. This was a team in a rebuild mode.
They could very well be a wildcard team this year.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
So Jackson Dart they generated and drew up several running plays.
Was that because they saw weakness in the defense or
was that because they didn't trust him in the pocket.
I mean it worked, But what was your takeaway in
the Giants game plan?
Speaker 6 (15:32):
Yeah, Brian Daball is not afraid to run the quarterback,
and I actually think designed runs are the way to
do it.
Speaker 5 (15:37):
You know. I think you ran the ball ten times,
seven were on designed runs.
Speaker 6 (15:40):
I think it caught the Chargers by surprise, the uscataboo
as a lead blocker.
Speaker 5 (15:44):
I think it's.
Speaker 6 (15:45):
Safer to do it that way. The element of surprise
was there. It's not going to be there the rest
of the year, though. Now everyone's seen it and they know.
I think for a young quarterback. For me in particular,
I remember when I would kind of have these like
anxiousness or nerves or excitement going into a game. I
always felt better once I took a hit, and so
that might have been part of it, like, hey, let's
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get a designed run. Let him take a hit that
he knows is coming, and then he'll feel part of
the game. What happened was the runs worked, and they
worked really well, and that first drive was epic. I
think there's an excitement in New York right now. I
think day Ball. I mean he was practically trying to
kiss Jackson guard after the game. That was pretty pretty amazing.
So I think they're really excited. I think, you know,
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they got a thing going here. I would just caution
you those design runs.
Speaker 5 (16:29):
People are ready for it, but there's other ways to
do it.
Speaker 6 (16:33):
You know, I think they should copy a little bit
of the jayde and Daniels Quarterback Run Game and use
that for Jackson Guard. I think that'd be a great
kind of like step two in the process for him
with the QB run game.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
So I want to go back to Thursday and talk
Darnold and the Seahawks with you, combined with Minnesota. So
Minnesota made him an offer reportedly, but you know say
and I don't.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
I would have left if I was Sam. It's like
I love Kevin O'Connell, but I want to be a
franchise guy. And the bottom line is JJ McCarthy was
drafted and they're going to play him. But I watched
Minnesota yesterday with Carson Wentz and I'm watching Sam Donald Thursday.
Speaker 4 (17:07):
I've always thought he was elite.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
He won in high school USC Minnesota Seattle, and I
don't think anybody can win with the Jets and the Panthers.
Are you surprised? I mean, Seattle is young, They're like
Green Bay young on offense. Are you surprised it's been
this smooth for Sam Well.
Speaker 5 (17:23):
John Sneiner has done a great job.
Speaker 6 (17:24):
But listen, if Gino Smith hadn't forced his way out
of Seattle, then Sam Donald would still be on the
Minnesota Vikings. I mean that's or at least he wanted
to be a Seattle Seahawks. I mean that's the reality.
But no, he wanted to be with Clint Kubiak. Clint
Kubiak was on Kyle Shanahan's staff when Sam Donald went
there to be a Niner, to be a backup and
kind of take a you know, take a step back
to take two steps forward in his career, much like
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Mac Jones did this year.
Speaker 5 (17:47):
And he hit it off with his play caller.
Speaker 6 (17:48):
When you have play caller and quarterback really loving each other,
really finishing each other's sentences, that's when it clicks. And
this offense is perfect for him. It's the same offense
that Kevin O'Connell was trying to run. It's run game focused,
it's play action focused. It's really Kyle Shanahan's offense with
a Clink Kubiak twist, and it's clicking. And like you said,
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this is a very young team, a talented defense. They
don't have the blue chip weapons like other teams do.
They have JSN, but truly and honestly I think this
is a team that said, hey, let's take a twenty
seven year old quarterback with some scars from Carolina from
the Jets, and let's use those scars to be a
battle tested quarterback when it matters. And I think that's
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what you're seeing out of Sam Darnold.
Speaker 4 (18:32):
His numbers are great and a fun watch too. Sam
is fun to watch. He's just got enough.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
He's guy I always said when he came out, he's
got just enough reckless that you got to put some
structure in for him.
Speaker 4 (18:44):
But Andrew Luck was reckless.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
I mean, Josh Allen Early was reckless. A lot of
these guys that you know. I mean, it worked in
high school and college, it works a lot of times
in the pros.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
It is I understand.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
Guys who sometimes wing it because it's worked most of
their life.
Speaker 6 (18:58):
Well, there's a difference between like going through your progression,
you say, you know, you go one, two and then
take off and run or try to use your legs.
I think what Sam's done a great job of this
year is he's gotten through number five in his progression.
Speaker 5 (19:09):
He'll go one, two, three, four, five and then run.
Speaker 6 (19:12):
And even when he does run, it's two hands on
the ball, eyes downfield, not looking at the rush, and
that's where success happens.
Speaker 5 (19:19):
And even when the play is broken down, some of.
Speaker 6 (19:21):
Their most explosive plays this year have been when he
has started to scramble, eyes downfield and he'll take a
shot downfield to a JSN or someone like that.
Speaker 5 (19:30):
And that's quarterbacking.
Speaker 6 (19:31):
That's elite level NFL quarterback quarterbacking.
Speaker 5 (19:35):
Not high school freshman.
Speaker 6 (19:37):
Football college quarterback quarterbacking. There is a difference, and that's
what it is.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
Matt Hasselbeck has always on a Monday crushed it. Thanks Bud,
say it, jam Mac. Did you wanted to criticize Jackson Dart?
I don't think it's the time or the day, but
seems to me I'd watched the Jets the night before
I got to cocky Jackson Dart. All all I know
is when I watched it, I try to think often
how a fan would think. If I was a Giants
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fan and I'm watching all these young guys, I'm thinking,
you know, I mean, Panics was terrible last weekend. You know,
he's already been an Atlanta's system for a year and
a half and he was terrible.
Speaker 4 (20:12):
He was good yesterday.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
My take is for a first start at home pressure Chargers, pretty.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
Impressive, I thought, well, okay, so first of all, first
impressions matter greatly, Coen, Right, we know that first of
you meet somebody for the first time. Oh, that person's impressive.
Close your eyes for a moment, and I'm going to
give you this stat line. You tell me what you
think for a first time starter. Thirteen of twenty for
one hundred and eleven yards passing fifty four yards rushing. Okay,
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disconnect from the team. The quarterback Aunty of that if
I told you that was his first start, you'd be like,
I need to see way more.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Colin.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
They had one drive that went over fifty yards the
entire game, and it was the scripted drive to open
the game with a great touchdown run by.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
The first start against Jesse Minter, who has made a
lot of quarterbacks last year. Look incompetent first start New York,
Jesse Mentor I'll just take the scripted drive in no turnovers.
Speaker 4 (21:08):
I'll be totally happy.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
Yeah, I just wonder how much of it was. Hey man,
Joe Old goes down early. You're now all was backing
up Slater. So now both you have backup tackles, really
a third trigger on the right side, and justin Herbert
was just under duress running for his life, didn't really
have much of a chance. Latin McConkey one catch. I mean, listen,
this was an outlier. If you want to make something
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of it, you can. I'm just telling you, like I don't.
We don't know if Jackson darts the guy.
Speaker 4 (21:35):
Is that fair to say. I'm not saying he's the guy.
I said, the word is promising it. If I'm a.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Giants fan, I'm like, Okay, the Mets disappointed me and
broke my heart again. Do you know the Mets didn't
win a single game this year going into the ninth trailing,
they didn't have a single only team in baseball?
Speaker 3 (21:51):
Come on, is that really?
Speaker 4 (21:51):
Oh no, it's like whatever the number was, it's insane.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
They're like the Jets. Basically. The Mets are like the Jets,
just career losers basically.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
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Speaker 1 (22:57):
Wild one last night, George he was on a heater. Listen,
George Pickens is always good. But I mean you have
to look around the league right now. If you give
most quarterbacks time to throw, they're gonna eat you alive.
And Dak Prescott and Jordan Love, I mean the six
TD's no picks, and there's two or three things that
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are true. Field goal kickers have much greater range, more
people are blocking kicks, and the quality and depth of
quarterback talent in this league is it's really good. More
and more of these first round quarterbacks are working.
Speaker 4 (23:33):
Drake he's a hit.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
Pennis had a bad week and then had a really
good week. So I mean, I think the quarterback level
in this league, in terms of overall talent, it's pretty good.
I don't remember a time where there were this many
good young quarterbacks. I mean, Sam Darnold's still twenty seven,
and you guys mocked me for years on it, and
I kept saying, he's got elite traits, coachable, tough, little reckless.
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I always better than Carson Wentz, not as good as
Andrew Luck, but somewhere in that space if he gets
good coaching. And I mean the quarterbacks that we criticized,
like Kyler Murray are super talented. It used to be
you just criticize the quarterback and he couldn't play. A
lot of the quarterbacks people beat up on, like Jared
Goff can't move very well. That's one of the ones
you're criticizing. Kyler Murray drives me crazy. Kyler Murray's talented.
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So in these young guys. It used to be if
you could get one big time franchise quarterback a draft,
we used to talking about, oh, the Marino Alway Draft.
We've had two quarterback draft classes in the last like
five years, or like five guys hit. I mean Jalen Hurts,
the second rounder, he's hit. J Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
No, no turn on the news. This is the herd
line news.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
I'm still waiting for your top ten quarterback list, Colin
at the quarter mark of the season, because three of
those guys were busts at their first stop and now
they're flourishing. Let's get art, however, with a superstar quarterback,
and that's justin Herbert Man. He was beat up brutal
this week down both of his starting tackles. He got
hit twelve times yesterday, felt like more than that. A
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duel carter was in his face on every meaningful down.
Here's Harbaugh talking about the need to change that offensive
line issue.
Speaker 4 (25:20):
That's very concerning.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
We'll go back and look in.
Speaker 4 (25:23):
We've got to get better.
Speaker 8 (25:24):
We we got to put him in a better position.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
Don't think he was in here.
Speaker 8 (25:28):
He's been in a good position.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
We work on it, We get better, get back to
work and.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
Regroup.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Wethink he's been hit twenty six times in the last
two weeks.
Speaker 4 (25:41):
Now.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
This is starting to remind me a little bit of
big Ben and cam where and Josh Allen early is
that he can withstand it now. But these are punitive.
These are the kind of things that take you it
from being old at thirty four thirty three to being young.
Matt Stafford, who I love, sat in the pocket behind
bad old lines for years and match thirty seven it
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looks like Brady did at forty four. Justin Herbert's great,
but he is getting They have got to get the
old line right. Some of it's bad luck. Joe Alt
is high ankle sprain. He will be back, but for
big guys, high ankle sprains or a problem.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
So I'm looking at their next opponent because last week
was Broncos. We know they get after the quarterback and
this be goes Giants. But is it the offensive lineers
at the opponents? So next up Washington Commanders. Dan Quinn
loves to blitz. The blitz is not getting home as
much as they would like. I personally think Chargers will
be okay next week. Chargers Washington's interesting because if Washington
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loses this, I would expect Jaden Daniels back.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
Right.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
They fall to two and three from NFC Championship to
two and three Now, I know Daniels hasn't played for
a couple of weeks, but the Washington defense, did you
see what Michael Pennix did to them. I think it's
a get right spot for Herbert Colin. Your thoughts on
the offensive line. Is it a major concern or Hey,
it's a week to week league. Like the Dolphins in
Week six they stink they can't get.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
To the quarterback.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
Yeah, I mean, I just think the Chargers defense will
keep them in a lot of games. I think this
was a bad matchup. I said last week, stay away
from the Packers game and stay away from the Chargers game.
Those were two I just said. And I said stay
away from the Bills Saints game. Is that New Orleans
was humiliated. They're pro athletes. They were gonna play well.
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The Giants D line. With the O line issues and
Herbert getting hit, I said on Friday Show, this is
gonna be low scoring and ugly, and so this is
this league is tough, and like Minnesota is a well
coached team. Minnesota looked awful offensively against Pittsburgh.
Speaker 4 (27:39):
Wide.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
They were missing three offensive line starters, so they couldn't adjust.
Kevin O'Connell smart and he couldn't adjust, they couldn't run.
Speaker 4 (27:45):
The ball, so you're stuck.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
So I just thought this was a combination of the bear.
The Giants defense is great upfront, and they once Joe
all got hurt.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
Game over trenches matter. All right, let's move on to
the Eagles. Colin, you touched on this earlier. A nice
little ninety second riff from you on Cooper Dejene and
this bogus, laughable fifteen yard taunting penalty. It was basically
the Allen Iverson stepover. If everybody remembers the tailo thing.
For those listening on.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
The radio, person was way more obnoxious. I mean, Iverson
kind of made a point that one felt like football
guy gets up and walks and by the way moves
his left leg up. He wasn't trying to sit there.
This was not like Scottie Pippen against the Knicks. That's
not what this was.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
I just I need to say, Cooper Djen is a
bad you know what, Okay, this guy is awesome. He
is probably one of the best young defensive backs in
the league.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
Colin.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
Not only is he a hitting machine, but he's a playmaker.
He's always around me. He's like a ballhawk. He's like
a He's a an ed reed Ish type player. He
wraps up. He's a great tackler. It's an easy guy
to root for. And I know you've seen you know,
I'm a hoops guy. You've seen his high school basketball reel. Right,
He's a dunking machine back in high school. Like, this
is a superior athlete. How about the Eagles drafting Cooper
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dejen and Quinjon Mitchell. Mitchell was unbelievable yesterday. This is
an Eagles team that's pretty nasty twenty and one.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
Their issue is offensively, they have horrible halfs. Like they're
trying to get aj Brown the ball and they can't
nine target seven yards.
Speaker 4 (29:20):
They're trying and they can't do it.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
By the way, did you see a Jalen hurt not
Jalen Hurts AJ Brown Instagram thing that he posted yesterday. Yeah,
he's not in a good place. Final story count to
college football. I know you were in Champagne for what
was supposed to be a celebratory Trojans winning. I don't know, man,
Lincoln Riley's defense let down.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
USC did have an.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
Awesome comeback in the fourth quarter. Yeah, but they ended
up losing.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
The bottom line on this, you can blame Lincoln Riley
because they scored too quickly at the.
Speaker 4 (29:51):
End of the game. That's not the issue.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
When you're on the road with college kids and you
can score, score, you're not dealing with a thirteen year
NFL veteran at quarterback. This is not Stafford and McVay.
If you can score or score. But defensively, they've gotten
worse and they've got size. They nil they went and
bought a defensive line, They got no push, they got
pushed around.
Speaker 4 (30:15):
They look tired at the end of the first half.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
And I don't know if it's stylistic or it's because
of the way they practice, but Illinois that got completely
humiliated by Indiana had over five hundred yards.
Speaker 4 (30:28):
I was at the game.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
Illinois does not have the kind of offense that should
have five hundred yards against any team in the Big Ten.
Speaker 4 (30:35):
It's not that kind of offense.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
You know, these nineteen twenty year old guys, they see
Illinois got their doors blown off, and they're like, oh,
we're going in six point favorites or whatever it was,
and they got all cocky. I'll just say this, I
think Jordan Mayava I think you probably called this actually yeah, yeah, yeah,
that's sorry, Jade Maiava. I think he's better than Arts Manning.
I'm not even kidding. I'm watching this kid. He's making
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plays left and right. He looks like a pro.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
You were missing they had their tight ends in the slot.
They were missing their number two receiver for ninety percent
of the game.
Speaker 4 (31:08):
Lemons amazing.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
But I mean he made in this game, and I
was sitting with USC people. He made four or five
and this is one of them. Unbelievable throats he is.
I don't think he's a huge pro prospect. He's he
doesn't have a huge arm. He's more of a placement quarterback.
He doesn't have a ton of horsepower.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
Six three two fifteen, man, I know looks better than Smeyer.
I would take him over Club Nick in a heartbeat.
It'sign close.
Speaker 4 (31:35):
You're not right.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
This guy looks good. Man. Well, well let's see what
he does against you know, uh, Michigan in a few weeks.
But I was impressed by the quarterback.
Speaker 4 (31:45):
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Speaker 2 (31:46):
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Speaker 7 (31:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (31:51):
I just couldn't.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
I could not get over how bad USC's defensive front was.
Thank God for Eric Gentry making a couple of players,
or it could have gotten worse.
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Speaker 1 (32:29):
So cam Ward is struggling. He's talented, but it is
hard to be a rookie quarterback. And Jackson Darts feeling
pretty good about himself. Last year was a big quarterback class,
and we said we thought most of these guys outside
of JJ McCarthy was the one I didn't really buy.
Speaker 4 (32:45):
But I liked everybody at certain levels.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
I loved Caleb and Jayden Daniels, and I really like
Pennix and bow Nicks, and I thought Drake May also
was gonna make it. So Drake May won again yesterday,
three touchdowns one hundred and fifty five passer rating. You
can look at the highlights, size, temperament, accuracy, mobility. He's
top six right now in total yards, in total touchdowns,
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and he doesn't have a ton to work with. PFF
in their preseason evaluation had New England as the second
worst wide receiver group. So to me, head coach Will
Campbell looks like he's gonna work. Head coach left tackle
quarterback renew year season tickets. It looks like they found
the guy. Special teams are excellent. So I would say
if you look over last years first round quarterbacks, here
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is the report card. Caleb looks promising. Jaden and Drake
May in my opinion, are hits. Michael Pennix inconsistent like Caleb,
but very promising. JJ McCarthy wasn't.
Speaker 4 (33:49):
A huge fan.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
I have real doubts. He looks overwhelmed. Bo Nicks who
plays tonight. I think that is another hit. He's been
a shaky September quarterback, but good otherwise.
Speaker 4 (33:58):
And here's Mike Vrabel, his young QB.
Speaker 8 (34:02):
Just throw to the guy that's open in the progression
as soon as he's open, and then if not quickly
progressed through those are the things that that quarterbacks have
to do, and they have to have a command of it.
Speaker 5 (34:13):
And we we did that.
Speaker 8 (34:15):
If we continue just to believe in the quarterback that
he's going to throw it to the guy who's open
in the progression, that good things will happen.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
Okay, So I like getting up and having a football
game on. Now that I live in Chicago most of
the year, I don't like waiting till noon. When I
used to live out East waiting to one, it was
like honey news, mow the lawn.
Speaker 4 (34:35):
Yeah, get me out of here.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
Now I gotta wait till noon. So I love international games.
Uh you know, bonjou, smoke all day, wear socks, dress,
socks to bed whatever. I'll turn French if I have
to get more early games. I am a fan of it,
especially a fan if you're a Steeler and you watched
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Aaron Rodgers yesterday. Like I've been saying this for years,
Tomlin's fine. The defense will make plays. They spend a
bunch of money on it. It's not a real chaotic franchise.
They can't run the ball. Their pass pro is shaky.
I thought yesterday blew me away one hundred and thirty
rushing yards, Aaron had only four balls hit the ground.
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He and DK Metcalf clearly work. And again, this is
against the real team. We're not talking Jets and Bengals here.
It's a real defense with a real coordinator. So their
offense has been struggling for seven years and it was
certainly the best offensive performance. And I'm not just talking stats.
I'm talking pass pro run game, facing a real team,
time to throw a connectivity with a star receiver. I mean,
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Russell Wilson had a couple of big games last year.
Speaker 4 (35:45):
They didn't feel like this.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
So it's the first time I have watched the Steelers offense,
I'm honestly in years, and I was like, oh, they
could win a playoff game. It's twenty twenty five. That's
a real offense. So, I mean, they've got a star receiver,
a smart veteran quarterback. They're good on third down, they
run the ball, there was holes, they were good in
(36:09):
the red zone. I mean it was this is not
the Steelers I've watched for the last six years.
Speaker 4 (36:15):
So and Brian Flores, I.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
Mean, honestly, you know, I felt like it was like
that dysfunctional family member came out for a family vacation
and you're like, oh, he's got a job. He's not
wearing a band T shirt. He's got a sweater on
and a cute girlfriend. He's talking about setting up a
roth Ira. You're like the dysfunctional brother in the family's
(36:38):
all grown up. I felt like I watched the grown
up offense. I you know, listen, and I've been critical
of Aaron.
Speaker 4 (36:45):
Aaron looked great. I was. I was blown away with Aaron.
It's my favorite bet of the week. I started on one,
but uh yeah, j Mac rolls his eyes. You didn't
win that one either.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
But I told you stay away from the Bills, stay
away from the Chargers, stay away from the back to
get out of those are traps. But I, I mean,
you and I have been critical of Aaron Rodgers, but
we have to be fair in this business. He looked
really young and really vibrant and really good.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
Did he not?
Speaker 4 (37:13):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (37:13):
I did with on the Vikings and Rogers looked good.
So they clearly knew that he was going to be
in trouble under pressure, right, everybody knew that They released
the ball. I think it was the quickest Rogers had
released it this season. Everything was boom boom, get rid
of the ball instantly. None of this's like hang around
and go through progressions, and Rogers delivered like it was
a good game plan. I will admit Minnesota's offensive line
(37:35):
killed them in that game. When we get our intkey
eighty yard touchdown to DK Metcalf to make it well.
Speaker 4 (37:41):
That's that's fourteen three. That's not fluke.
Speaker 3 (37:43):
Come on, eighty yards, it's the longest touchdown of the
season so far. That's fluky. They're not replicating that. You
know that lucky play, and I know that sounds dismissive.
It was twenty four to six. Stealers killed him. We
were way wrong. I was wrong.
Speaker 5 (37:57):
Carson wentz.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
By the way Carson wentz. Is there a quarter controversy
of Minnesota anymore?
Speaker 2 (38:01):
Huh huh?
Speaker 4 (38:03):
What would JJ McCarthy done against that pass rush? I
mean it was I.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
Don't want to make excuses though, like the Vikings could
not adjust, they didn't have the personnel.
Speaker 3 (38:13):
Well, by the way, a lot of people going after
Kevin O'Connell. Here, Vikings, dopey Vikings fans. Hey, I don't know,
Kevin O'Connell.
Speaker 5 (38:20):
What's happening?
Speaker 3 (38:21):
Like people are just overreacting. Carson Wentz did not look
like he was ready. I think he got sack six times.
Colin a lot of poor decisions in the pocket. I
also want to talk about this. Let's talk Bears and
Raiders first. Okay, please?
Speaker 4 (38:32):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (38:32):
So it was an interesting game the Bears Raiders was interesting.
Speaker 4 (38:36):
It was really ugly.
Speaker 1 (38:37):
It was the opposite of last night, which was really
beautiful offensive football and great quarterback play. So Gino was hideous.
Gino Smith had three turnovers. I still can't figure out.
Pete Carroll literally can't sleep at night if you throw
one interception. Pete can't stand turnovers. He likes Gino Gino,
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how many do you have?
Speaker 7 (38:58):
Now?
Speaker 2 (38:58):
Seven?
Speaker 1 (38:59):
So Gino was atrocious and the Bears needed a block
field goal to win.
Speaker 4 (39:07):
With four turnovers from their defense.
Speaker 1 (39:10):
So my takeaway though, when you watch the Bears play
is I think you have to be honest about this.
I don't think Ben and Caleb are ever. I mean,
like Brock Purdy and Shanahan. What Brock Purty does is
what Shanahan wants him to do, right, And I thought
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Sam Darnold and Kevin O'Connell that's how he wants his
quarterback to play where you've got some ceiling and upside.
Speaker 4 (39:37):
Yeah, like I think, I think Caleb.
Speaker 1 (39:40):
The most impressive thing to me was that Caleb was
making hard throws over the middle of the field, which
a lot of smaller quarterbacks can't. He's not small. But
it's not just that he completed the ball. Is he
kept his eyes downfield when he was running. He slid
at the right time, but he made them over like
that throw right there to Roma Dunze. This is a
big time Matt Stafford throw. It's not just throws up
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the sideline. He said that they could not block Max Crosby,
they could not block him, and Caleb knew they couldn't
block him, and Caleb knew they couldn't block him. So
that's in Caleb's head. They're on the road. They had
I mean that they they had penalties so to win
in artistically and Caleb making big boy throws down the
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middle of the field with Crosby bearing down on you.
Speaker 4 (40:29):
Here's Caleb after the win.
Speaker 7 (40:31):
I think those moments that you know we're we're born
for that I'm born for, and I think being able
to portray the belief that you know, guys, this is
all we got and this is all we need. We're,
you know, in a in a position where we're not
in a favorite position.
Speaker 4 (40:47):
We're down.
Speaker 7 (40:49):
It's it's all eleven of us on the field and
we got to go do a job. And so I
think just a belief, the trust, the hard work that
we put in, those are the moments that you that
you wish for.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
I'm gonna throw this out there, though, is that I
do feel like Roma Dunzee and Caleb have a connection.
Cole comment who was with him last year, they have
a connection. I mean Luther Burden, it's hit and miss
DJ Moore can feel like he disappears throughout the Force
four games of the year, and guys get dinged up
and we don't know the health of everybody. Sometimes the
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guy gets dinged up on the second series and the
coaches don't want you to know. So I don't want
to try to guess or speculate. I think they could
move one of their skilled people to get a little
better defensively, because sometimes I feel like they have too
many players that Caleb has to get the ball to,
and clearly he and Roma Dunze fit
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
All right. Here we go our two and a Monday lot,
going on to Monday night football games tonight. Colin right
wrong in a second, Matt Hasselback, Cooper Degene, I know
I felt at Jean. You know, listen, I have a
little I got a little French. Now. This show gives
you a lot of international sophistication. We have espresso during
the show, three croissants in the back. Come on, Lin,
(00:50):
some domestic only show. I'm you know, I watched Ryder
Cup all weekend. You know I know my stuffs international flair. Okjmac.
Can I just say another thing? Well, I'm not even
gonna I'm not I'm gonna go there.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
That's one of my favorites.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Can I say one thing?
Speaker 1 (01:07):
You know?
Speaker 3 (01:07):
You sure, Canon, it's your show, go for it. What
do you want to say?
Speaker 1 (01:11):
No? No, No, I'm gonna wait till now. I'm gonna wait speech.
You can say whatever you want.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
Come on, let's hear no, no, no, I'm gonna do it
in about fifteen minutes. Oh maybe thirty minutes. Right here
we go.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Colin Wright, Colin wrong, plenty of both in a Monday
where Colin was right. I said last week with Baltimore,
I don't want to hear its injuries. I'm not sure
what they do well defensively. They weren't good on Monday
night and they're not good now. That's the best game
Patrick Mahomes has played in a long time. Look at
what Kansas City did seven yards of play. Kansas City's rebuilding,
their own line, has no run game, Travis Kelcey. You
(01:43):
get about one big play a game, and they don't
have a number one receiver. I mean, Mahomes hasn't played
that well in so long. So it's not like Kansas
City doesn't have injuries. Rashie Rice isn't playing. This is
Worthy's first game back. They lost their best offensive linemen.
They have no real consistent game Baltimore. I said it
last week. I think it's time to panic. You may
(02:04):
need more than just getting guys healthy on the defensive.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Side, where Colin was rogged.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Outside of the Bears game, Brian Schottenheimer has looked buttoned up.
I know the Cowboys are won two and one, but
they're getting the ball to the right people. I mean,
this is the best I've seen Dak play in eight years.
You got to get you gotta get Brian Schottenheimer some
credit for it. They didn't have Cede Lamb and they
mixed them. They mixed it up very well. Again, their
clock management was better than Green Bay. Some of that's
(02:31):
just Dak's been around. He's a smart guy. But I
will say they're wildly entertaining to watch. They're in every game.
They should have beaten if not for a CD Lamb drop,
they should have beaten Philadelphia. I thought this team was
going to be absolutely potentially the second third worst team
in the league, and they're a They're a pretty fun
team to watch, and Dak has played out of his mind.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Oh brought pretty or mac Jones, You tell me there's
a difference. Wasn't the knock on brock pretty out of college?
He was a bit small and reckless. Well, so far
this year, four tds four picks. He's got more turnovers
than total touchdowns. I know the Niners had some drops,
but they also had a couple of guys make catches
that could have been potentially intercepted that they not made
(03:16):
the catch, So he did not play well. Again, he's
banged up. I understand that these are professional athletes. It's
the NFL. Everybody's banged up by week three and four.
I don't see the massive gap. I think Perty's better
than Mac Jones, but I don't see the forty five
million dollar.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Gap where Colin was wrong.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
That is the best game offensively I have seen the
Steelers play in maybe six years. Honestly, Aaron was tremendous.
The back shoulder throws, the tempo. I mean the Steelers
have had an offensive line issue in a run game
issue since Big Ben's second to last year. DK Metcalf
(03:58):
and Aaron really connected. Steelers had six sacks and a
lot of that. The Vikings old lines all banged out.
But I don't want to hear about it. All I
know is when I watched that game, that was a
twenty twenty five offense, a number one receiver, a consistent
run game, good pass pro Aaron deserves credit they have.
He is leading this offense and he deserves credit because
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if you're a Steeler fan, when's the last time you
saw a third down, a game plan, a run game
that consistent. And Minnesota's got real players. Brian Floor is
a great DC. Where Colin was right, Well, I've said
Matt Stafford maybe the best thrower of a football in
the world. He put on a clinic yesterday. I mean
(04:42):
I have him in the Super Bowl bubble. He and
Pooka are arguably the best quarterback wide receiver combo even
too two Atwell, who was a bus they kept around
for a year, ended up having the game winner McVeigh
Plus Stafford and that defense, this is a real team.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
Indianapolis is no joke.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
They got they have a roster, but Stafford game winning
drives just absolutely beautiful to watch. He is the best
pocket quarterback we've had in.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
A long time.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
Where Colin was raw.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
Yeah, I got a.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Little ahead of myself on USC first real challenge, got
pushed around by Illinois. The same Illinois team that had
one hundred and sixty total yards against Indiana had over
five hundred. Everybody's banging on Lincoln Riley because they scored
so quickly. Well, you don't want to get cute on
the road. They just looked lost. They got burned on
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this Philly special. They didn't consistently generate a pass rush.
I don't know what it is, but the longer D'Anton lynn,
a great d coordinator is in USC, the softer the
defense gets and I I think he's done a great
job with Jaden Miyob at the quarterback, but defensively the
back end is atrocious.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
Sam Darnold is elite. He's the winningest quarterback in the
league since the beginning of last year. This year completing
seventy percent of his throws one hundred and six passer rating.
What I like this team is Green Bay young Offensively,
This is an incredibly young roster. Donald moves from Minnesota.
They jam him in. They go from Kevin O'Connell and
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Justin jeffersonto a bunch of kids. He's had two game
winning drives in four games. He is a great fit.
For years and years, I said, I watched Sam Darnold play.
He won in high school at USC, at Minnesota and Seattle.
Who's winning with the Panthers and the Jets. This guy
can play where Colin was right. Dante Moore. If I
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had a number one pick in the draft, I would
pick Dante Moore the quarterback for Oregon. This kid the poise,
the stoicism, that is a loud road environment. Oregon's a
young team. He is phenomenal. I said last week, I'm
gonna take Oregon. Dante is next level. Some of these throws.
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This kid is really good. And all the quarterbacks we
thought were gonna be great coming into the season. Drew Aller,
Kate Pleubnick. That's the number one pick in the draft.
This this kid is if he wants to come out,
he may not, but this kid, this kid is really
good to go on the road to be his age
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and he's just not.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
Bothered at all.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
I get if you're a thirty two year old NFL quarterback,
but that's intimidating. That is an intimidating place you on
the road in overtime and he's making throws off platform.
Wow with that. Matt Hasselback, he loved to throw off.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
Platform to his coach's chagrin.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Sometimes this league is this league is nuts.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
This this league is nuts.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
I want to start with Matt Stafford, because Indy kind
of gave this game away. When I watch Matt Stafford play,
I'm not I'm taking if you just said, okay, you
can't move out of the pocket, you sit in the
pocket and you have to throw. I'm not sure there's
three guys that have ever been better throwing from the pocket.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
What do you see with Stafford?
Speaker 5 (08:11):
Yeah, well I agree, and he did give the game away.
Speaker 6 (08:13):
But no, listen, Matthew Stafford was the question coming into
this season, like his health was the question. They've got
this great roster, but he's thirty seven years old and
he's got this back injuries, walking around like he's constipated
for four weeks and we're like, oh, shoot, like this
he's not gonna be able to play this year. And
he comes out he looks amazing. It doesn't surprise me
that he looks amazing throwing the ball, but he looks
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amazing like moving in the pocket, you know, like torquing
his body, all those different things.
Speaker 5 (08:39):
I mean, look out, look out, NFC.
Speaker 6 (08:41):
This is a team, and this is a quarterback that
does not fear the Philadelphia Eagles. So I think matchup wise,
what he's got going with Puca and DeVante. I think
this is a real threat to winning it all in
the NFC because of Matthew Stafford.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
So I want to go back and talk about the Packers,
So I said, Pump the Brakes. Listen older teams like
McVeigh and Stafford, and these are veteran teams. They know
how to close out games. The Eagles have a lot
of older guys, the Chiefs do Buffalo. Green Bay's a
bunch of kids, I said. Matt Lafleor is the coach,
he's a chaperone. It's like a college team. There are
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a bunch of kids. They don't know how to close
out games. They're clock management. There's a reason Dallas's clock
management's pretty good. Dak's really smart and he's been doing
this for a decade. I think Green Bay's fine. I
think part of this is Matt. There's still They've been
the youngest team in the league for three years. They're
just trying to figure out how to close these games
against inferior opponents.
Speaker 5 (09:37):
Yeah, well, it's a young league.
Speaker 6 (09:38):
And I also think, like no one's really talking about this,
but the two minute operation has changed everything because of
the new k ball rule, kickers, field goal kickers.
Speaker 5 (09:47):
Their rains just changed. Like when I was playing, I
was the holder or the backup holder most of my career.
Speaker 6 (09:52):
You had to get to the thirty three yard line.
That is no longer the line. And if you have
these kickers, they could kick a sixty five yarder. So
the two minute operation for quarterbacks, the new kickoff, the
dynamic kickoff, and you got these quarterbacks who can spread
it all around the field. I think you're gonna see
more exciting late game teams out of it, but they're
not really out of it late late in the game.
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I thought, offensively, both offenses were pretty awesome. I thought
the defenses, this will be a tough one to watch
for both teams today.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
So I said, it's weird, there's been I mean, like
I always felt like golf and baseball are sports because
there's a lot of lag time that sometimes in golf,
you know, I've seen great players like Greg Norman just evaporate,
or in baseball, I've seen great players like a Rod
go into a series, it gets into his head and
he can't hit. But in football, basketball, hockey, the sports
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are fast, you know. I mean there's another snap, another shot,
But I look at Lamar Jackson and I honestly think
Kansas City's a bit in his head. I think he
overthinks it. I mean, off, you take away the script
the first series. You know, he just I mean, is it.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
Or is it this? Matt Spags is a great coach.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
He's now got six or seven games against him, He's
got the beats on him.
Speaker 4 (11:08):
Maybe is it that? I mean, what is wrong with
Lamar and the Chiefs?
Speaker 7 (11:12):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (11:12):
I do.
Speaker 6 (11:13):
Listen, I think there are some defensive coordinators that they
don't feel.
Speaker 5 (11:16):
They don't fear certain great players.
Speaker 6 (11:19):
Lamar Jackson is no doubt a great player, but for
whatever reasons, East Bagnolo and the Chiefs, I don't think
they fear him like the rest of the league does.
In fact, I would put Mike Tomlin and the Steelers
in that boat too. Those might be the only two
the rest of the league fears him. So this is
a tough matchup for him.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
You know.
Speaker 6 (11:36):
And I think that, Like I just remember when I
was in Seattle, there were we felt like we could
beat anybody. We felt good going up against, you know,
Ray Lewis's defense, the Ravens, like we felt good about them.
But like there were some teams we didn't feel good about,
like Mike Martz, The Greatest Show on Turf going up
against his teams, like we just never felt good about that.
Ir Locker and the Bears. That wasn't a good matchup
for us for whatever reason. The Chiefs, they feel like
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they've got a system and a game plan that works
with the Ravens, and it's tough when it's such a
rivalry game, and I wonder, I guess I would wonder
if Lamar feels.
Speaker 5 (12:09):
Like he's got to put the team on his back
when he goes up against the Patrick Mahomes. That's what
I would wonder.
Speaker 6 (12:14):
Because I think he's capable of just playing his normal
game from the pocket, not taking so many sacks. But
sometimes when he tries to put the team on his
back and use his legs too much, I don't think
it's the best thing for him. He's an MVP quarterback
as a thrower from the pocket if he wants.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
To be so.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
I thought in the early game that was the most
complete Steeler offense I have seen in years, And I
thought Aaron looked lively. He had a bounce. I thought,
you know, they're running the ball now a little bit
they did. And my take is, does Aaron deserve credit
for that? Because Pittsburgh can't get the on line of
the run game right for seven years and Aaron arrives
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and it's like you can always say it's luck, but
they're now winning games that I don't know.
Speaker 4 (12:58):
I just thought, what is it? Aaron looked.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Maybe it's the guinness he had before. I thought he
looked really, I thought he looked ten years younger.
Speaker 6 (13:05):
Honestly, Yeah, you joke about the guinness. But I do
think there's something about great elite quarterbacks who are doing
it into their forties.
Speaker 5 (13:11):
You got to like not get bored.
Speaker 6 (13:13):
And I think that environment probably like like was exciting
for him.
Speaker 5 (13:17):
Getting DK Metcalf.
Speaker 6 (13:18):
Involved, I think unlocks this offense quite a bit. But
in that Arthur Smith offense, there's a lot of leeway
on the quarterback.
Speaker 5 (13:25):
Like a lot of plays, it could be a.
Speaker 6 (13:27):
Run, it could be a pass, kind of up to
the quarterback to decide the play caller kind of calls both.
And you're an artist, not a blacksmith in terms of
how you paint your canvas as a quarterback, and Aaron
Rodgers is great at that. I think leaning into more
run game on those check with me is probably does
help the offensive line and ultimately helps the team. They
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looked really good. Their division doesn't look good, so this
looks like a playoff team. I just hope that, you know,
they're in the honeymoon phase right now with Mike Tomlin
and Aaron Rodgers. I hope that they continue on this
path and don't go kind of on that New York
Jets path of last year and kind of forget how
to help all eleven guys be successful, most of all
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up front with the offensive line.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
Okay, I want to talk a couple young quarterbacks. First
of all, Drake may We said he was justin Herbert,
but he didn't have the snaps he's got. The coach,
Will Campbell looks like it's gonna work. The rest of
the O line little shaky. The running game is good.
I don't know I watched Drake may now I've watched
him the last three weeks. That looks like a hit.
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That looks like a franchise quarterback to me, what say you? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (14:34):
Definitely still learning though.
Speaker 6 (14:35):
I mean three weeks ago they destroyed Miami down in Miami.
Two weeks ago, they played Pittsburgh and they played way
better than the Steelers. They just turned the ball over
five times, and Drake was a part of two of those,
and so like that's you know, I don't care how
great you are from the twenty to the twenty. If
you're turning the ball over, that's not winning football. So
he got that corrected. They got that corrected. That was
a total beatdown against Carolina. That's kind of what I
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think people are excited about. So this is a team
to watch, Mike Vrabel. When you get the head coach right,
get the quarterback right, you know, everything else kind of
falls into line usually. So they got a big matchup.
I think it's at Buffalo this week. Look out for
this team. This was a team in a rebuild mode.
They could very well be a wildcard team this year.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
So Jackson Dart they generated and drew up several running plays.
Was that because they saw weakness in the defense or
was that because they didn't trust him in the pocket.
I mean it worked, But what was your takeaway in
the Giants game plan?
Speaker 6 (15:32):
Yeah, Brian Daball is not afraid to run the quarterback,
and I actually think designed runs are the way to
do it.
Speaker 5 (15:37):
You know. I think you ran the ball ten times,
seven were on designed runs.
Speaker 6 (15:40):
I think it caught the Chargers by surprise, the uscataboo
as a lead blocker.
Speaker 5 (15:44):
I think it's.
Speaker 6 (15:45):
Safer to do it that way. The element of surprise
was there. It's not going to be there the rest
of the year, though. Now everyone's seen it and they know.
I think for a young quarterback. For me in particular,
I remember when I would kind of have these like
anxiousness or nerves or excitement going into a game. I
always felt better once I took a hit, and so
that might have been part of it, like, hey, let's
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get a designed run. Let him take a hit that
he knows is coming, and then he'll feel part of
the game. What happened was the runs worked, and they
worked really well, and that first drive was epic. I
think there's an excitement in New York right now. I
think day Ball. I mean he was practically trying to
kiss Jackson guard after the game. That was pretty pretty amazing.
So I think they're really excited. I think, you know,
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they got a thing going here. I would just caution
you those design runs.
Speaker 5 (16:29):
People are ready for it, but there's other ways to
do it.
Speaker 6 (16:33):
You know, I think they should copy a little bit
of the jayde and Daniels Quarterback Run Game and use
that for Jackson Guard. I think that'd be a great
kind of like step two in the process for him
with the QB run game.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
So I want to go back to Thursday and talk
Darnold and the Seahawks with you, combined with Minnesota. So
Minnesota made him an offer reportedly, but you know say
and I don't.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
I would have left if I was Sam. It's like
I love Kevin O'Connell, but I want to be a
franchise guy. And the bottom line is JJ McCarthy was
drafted and they're going to play him. But I watched
Minnesota yesterday with Carson Wentz and I'm watching Sam Donald Thursday.
Speaker 4 (17:07):
I've always thought he was elite.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
He won in high school USC Minnesota Seattle, and I
don't think anybody can win with the Jets and the Panthers.
Are you surprised? I mean, Seattle is young, They're like
Green Bay young on offense. Are you surprised it's been
this smooth for Sam Well.
Speaker 5 (17:23):
John Sneiner has done a great job.
Speaker 6 (17:24):
But listen, if Gino Smith hadn't forced his way out
of Seattle, then Sam Donald would still be on the
Minnesota Vikings. I mean that's or at least he wanted
to be a Seattle Seahawks. I mean that's the reality.
But no, he wanted to be with Clint Kubiak. Clint
Kubiak was on Kyle Shanahan's staff when Sam Donald went
there to be a Niner, to be a backup and
kind of take a you know, take a step back
to take two steps forward in his career, much like
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Mac Jones did this year.
Speaker 5 (17:47):
And he hit it off with his play caller.
Speaker 6 (17:48):
When you have play caller and quarterback really loving each other,
really finishing each other's sentences, that's when it clicks. And
this offense is perfect for him. It's the same offense
that Kevin O'Connell was trying to run. It's run game focused,
it's play action focused. It's really Kyle Shanahan's offense with
a Clink Kubiak twist, and it's clicking. And like you said,
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this is a very young team, a talented defense. They
don't have the blue chip weapons like other teams do.
They have JSN, but truly and honestly I think this
is a team that said, hey, let's take a twenty
seven year old quarterback with some scars from Carolina from
the Jets, and let's use those scars to be a
battle tested quarterback when it matters. And I think that's
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what you're seeing out of Sam Darnold.
Speaker 4 (18:32):
His numbers are great and a fun watch too. Sam
is fun to watch. He's just got enough.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
He's guy I always said when he came out, he's
got just enough reckless that you got to put some
structure in for him.
Speaker 4 (18:44):
But Andrew Luck was reckless.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
I mean, Josh Allen Early was reckless. A lot of
these guys that you know. I mean, it worked in
high school and college, it works a lot of times
in the pros.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
It is I understand.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
Guys who sometimes wing it because it's worked most of
their life.
Speaker 6 (18:58):
Well, there's a difference between like going through your progression,
you say, you know, you go one, two and then
take off and run or try to use your legs.
I think what Sam's done a great job of this
year is he's gotten through number five in his progression.
Speaker 5 (19:09):
He'll go one, two, three, four, five and then run.
Speaker 6 (19:12):
And even when he does run, it's two hands on
the ball, eyes downfield, not looking at the rush, and
that's where success happens.
Speaker 5 (19:19):
And even when the play is broken down, some of.
Speaker 6 (19:21):
Their most explosive plays this year have been when he
has started to scramble, eyes downfield and he'll take a
shot downfield to a JSN or someone like that.
Speaker 5 (19:30):
And that's quarterbacking.
Speaker 6 (19:31):
That's elite level NFL quarterback quarterbacking.
Speaker 5 (19:35):
Not high school freshman.
Speaker 6 (19:37):
Football college quarterback quarterbacking. There is a difference, and that's
what it is.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
Matt Hasselbeck has always on a Monday crushed it. Thanks Bud,
say it, jam Mac. Did you wanted to criticize Jackson Dart?
I don't think it's the time or the day, but
seems to me I'd watched the Jets the night before
I got to cocky Jackson Dart. All all I know
is when I watched it, I try to think often
how a fan would think. If I was a Giants
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fan and I'm watching all these young guys, I'm thinking,
you know, I mean, Panics was terrible last weekend. You know,
he's already been an Atlanta's system for a year and
a half and he was terrible.
Speaker 4 (20:12):
He was good yesterday.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
My take is for a first start at home pressure Chargers, pretty.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
Impressive, I thought, well, okay, so first of all, first
impressions matter greatly, Coen, Right, we know that first of
you meet somebody for the first time. Oh, that person's impressive.
Close your eyes for a moment, and I'm going to
give you this stat line. You tell me what you
think for a first time starter. Thirteen of twenty for
one hundred and eleven yards passing fifty four yards rushing. Okay,
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disconnect from the team. The quarterback Aunty of that if
I told you that was his first start, you'd be like,
I need to see way more.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Colin.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
They had one drive that went over fifty yards the
entire game, and it was the scripted drive to open
the game with a great touchdown run by.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
The first start against Jesse Minter, who has made a
lot of quarterbacks last year. Look incompetent first start New York,
Jesse Mentor I'll just take the scripted drive in no turnovers.
Speaker 4 (21:08):
I'll be totally happy.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
Yeah, I just wonder how much of it was. Hey man,
Joe Old goes down early. You're now all was backing
up Slater. So now both you have backup tackles, really
a third trigger on the right side, and justin Herbert
was just under duress running for his life, didn't really
have much of a chance. Latin McConkey one catch. I mean, listen,
this was an outlier. If you want to make something
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of it, you can. I'm just telling you, like I don't.
We don't know if Jackson darts the guy.
Speaker 4 (21:35):
Is that fair to say. I'm not saying he's the guy.
I said, the word is promising it. If I'm a.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Giants fan, I'm like, Okay, the Mets disappointed me and
broke my heart again. Do you know the Mets didn't
win a single game this year going into the ninth trailing,
they didn't have a single only team in baseball?
Speaker 3 (21:51):
Come on, is that really?
Speaker 4 (21:51):
Oh no, it's like whatever the number was, it's insane.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
They're like the Jets. Basically. The Mets are like the Jets,
just career losers basically.
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Speaker 1 (22:57):
Wild one last night, George he was on a heater. Listen,
George Pickens is always good. But I mean you have
to look around the league right now. If you give
most quarterbacks time to throw, they're gonna eat you alive.
And Dak Prescott and Jordan Love, I mean the six
TD's no picks, and there's two or three things that
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are true. Field goal kickers have much greater range, more
people are blocking kicks, and the quality and depth of
quarterback talent in this league is it's really good. More
and more of these first round quarterbacks are working.
Speaker 4 (23:33):
Drake he's a hit.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
Pennis had a bad week and then had a really
good week. So I mean, I think the quarterback level
in this league, in terms of overall talent, it's pretty good.
I don't remember a time where there were this many
good young quarterbacks. I mean, Sam Darnold's still twenty seven,
and you guys mocked me for years on it, and
I kept saying, he's got elite traits, coachable, tough, little reckless.
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I always better than Carson Wentz, not as good as
Andrew Luck, but somewhere in that space if he gets
good coaching. And I mean the quarterbacks that we criticized,
like Kyler Murray are super talented. It used to be
you just criticize the quarterback and he couldn't play. A
lot of the quarterbacks people beat up on, like Jared
Goff can't move very well. That's one of the ones
you're criticizing. Kyler Murray drives me crazy. Kyler Murray's talented.
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So in these young guys. It used to be if
you could get one big time franchise quarterback a draft,
we used to talking about, oh, the Marino Alway Draft.
We've had two quarterback draft classes in the last like
five years, or like five guys hit. I mean Jalen Hurts,
the second rounder, he's hit. J Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
No, no turn on the news. This is the herd
line news.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
I'm still waiting for your top ten quarterback list, Colin
at the quarter mark of the season, because three of
those guys were busts at their first stop and now
they're flourishing. Let's get art, however, with a superstar quarterback,
and that's justin Herbert Man. He was beat up brutal
this week down both of his starting tackles. He got
hit twelve times yesterday, felt like more than that. A
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duel carter was in his face on every meaningful down.
Here's Harbaugh talking about the need to change that offensive
line issue.
Speaker 4 (25:20):
That's very concerning.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
We'll go back and look in.
Speaker 4 (25:23):
We've got to get better.
Speaker 8 (25:24):
We we got to put him in a better position.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
Don't think he was in here.
Speaker 8 (25:28):
He's been in a good position.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
We work on it, We get better, get back to
work and.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
Regroup.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Wethink he's been hit twenty six times in the last
two weeks.
Speaker 4 (25:41):
Now.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
This is starting to remind me a little bit of
big Ben and cam where and Josh Allen early is
that he can withstand it now. But these are punitive.
These are the kind of things that take you it
from being old at thirty four thirty three to being young.
Matt Stafford, who I love, sat in the pocket behind
bad old lines for years and match thirty seven it
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looks like Brady did at forty four. Justin Herbert's great,
but he is getting They have got to get the
old line right. Some of it's bad luck. Joe Alt
is high ankle sprain. He will be back, but for
big guys, high ankle sprains or a problem.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
So I'm looking at their next opponent because last week
was Broncos. We know they get after the quarterback and
this be goes Giants. But is it the offensive lineers
at the opponents? So next up Washington Commanders. Dan Quinn
loves to blitz. The blitz is not getting home as
much as they would like. I personally think Chargers will
be okay next week. Chargers Washington's interesting because if Washington
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loses this, I would expect Jaden Daniels back.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
Right.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
They fall to two and three from NFC Championship to
two and three Now, I know Daniels hasn't played for
a couple of weeks, but the Washington defense, did you
see what Michael Pennix did to them. I think it's
a get right spot for Herbert Colin. Your thoughts on
the offensive line. Is it a major concern or Hey,
it's a week to week league. Like the Dolphins in
Week six they stink they can't get.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
To the quarterback.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
Yeah, I mean, I just think the Chargers defense will
keep them in a lot of games. I think this
was a bad matchup. I said last week, stay away
from the Packers game and stay away from the Chargers game.
Those were two I just said. And I said stay
away from the Bills Saints game. Is that New Orleans
was humiliated. They're pro athletes. They were gonna play well.
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The Giants D line. With the O line issues and
Herbert getting hit, I said on Friday Show, this is
gonna be low scoring and ugly, and so this is
this league is tough, and like Minnesota is a well
coached team. Minnesota looked awful offensively against Pittsburgh.
Speaker 4 (27:39):
Wide.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
They were missing three offensive line starters, so they couldn't adjust.
Kevin O'Connell smart and he couldn't adjust, they couldn't run.
Speaker 4 (27:45):
The ball, so you're stuck.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
So I just thought this was a combination of the bear.
The Giants defense is great upfront, and they once Joe
all got hurt.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
Game over trenches matter. All right, let's move on to
the Eagles. Colin, you touched on this earlier. A nice
little ninety second riff from you on Cooper Dejene and
this bogus, laughable fifteen yard taunting penalty. It was basically
the Allen Iverson stepover. If everybody remembers the tailo thing.
For those listening on.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
The radio, person was way more obnoxious. I mean, Iverson
kind of made a point that one felt like football
guy gets up and walks and by the way moves
his left leg up. He wasn't trying to sit there.
This was not like Scottie Pippen against the Knicks. That's
not what this was.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
I just I need to say, Cooper Djen is a
bad you know what, Okay, this guy is awesome. He
is probably one of the best young defensive backs in
the league.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
Colin.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
Not only is he a hitting machine, but he's a playmaker.
He's always around me. He's like a ballhawk. He's like
a He's a an ed reed Ish type player. He
wraps up. He's a great tackler. It's an easy guy
to root for. And I know you've seen you know,
I'm a hoops guy. You've seen his high school basketball reel. Right,
He's a dunking machine back in high school. Like, this
is a superior athlete. How about the Eagles drafting Cooper
(29:02):
dejen and Quinjon Mitchell. Mitchell was unbelievable yesterday. This is
an Eagles team that's pretty nasty twenty and one.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
Their issue is offensively, they have horrible halfs. Like they're
trying to get aj Brown the ball and they can't
nine target seven yards.
Speaker 4 (29:20):
They're trying and they can't do it.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
By the way, did you see a Jalen hurt not
Jalen Hurts AJ Brown Instagram thing that he posted yesterday. Yeah,
he's not in a good place. Final story count to
college football. I know you were in Champagne for what
was supposed to be a celebratory Trojans winning. I don't know, man,
Lincoln Riley's defense let down.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
USC did have an.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
Awesome comeback in the fourth quarter. Yeah, but they ended
up losing.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
The bottom line on this, you can blame Lincoln Riley
because they scored too quickly at the.
Speaker 4 (29:51):
End of the game. That's not the issue.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
When you're on the road with college kids and you
can score, score, you're not dealing with a thirteen year
NFL veteran at quarterback. This is not Stafford and McVay.
If you can score or score. But defensively, they've gotten
worse and they've got size. They nil they went and
bought a defensive line, They got no push, they got
pushed around.
Speaker 4 (30:15):
They look tired at the end of the first half.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
And I don't know if it's stylistic or it's because
of the way they practice, but Illinois that got completely
humiliated by Indiana had over five hundred yards.
Speaker 4 (30:28):
I was at the game.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
Illinois does not have the kind of offense that should
have five hundred yards against any team in the Big Ten.
Speaker 4 (30:35):
It's not that kind of offense.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
You know, these nineteen twenty year old guys, they see
Illinois got their doors blown off, and they're like, oh,
we're going in six point favorites or whatever it was,
and they got all cocky. I'll just say this, I
think Jordan Mayava I think you probably called this actually yeah, yeah, yeah,
that's sorry, Jade Maiava. I think he's better than Arts Manning.
I'm not even kidding. I'm watching this kid. He's making
(30:57):
plays left and right. He looks like a pro.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
You were missing they had their tight ends in the slot.
They were missing their number two receiver for ninety percent
of the game.
Speaker 4 (31:08):
Lemons amazing.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
But I mean he made in this game, and I
was sitting with USC people. He made four or five
and this is one of them. Unbelievable throats he is.
I don't think he's a huge pro prospect. He's he
doesn't have a huge arm. He's more of a placement quarterback.
He doesn't have a ton of horsepower.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
Six three two fifteen, man, I know looks better than Smeyer.
I would take him over Club Nick in a heartbeat.
It'sign close.
Speaker 4 (31:35):
You're not right.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
This guy looks good. Man. Well, well let's see what
he does against you know, uh, Michigan in a few weeks.
But I was impressed by the quarterback.
Speaker 4 (31:45):
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Speaker 2 (31:46):
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Speaker 7 (31:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (31:51):
I just couldn't.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
I could not get over how bad USC's defensive front was.
Thank God for Eric Gentry making a couple of players,
or it could have gotten worse.
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Speaker 1 (32:29):
So cam Ward is struggling. He's talented, but it is
hard to be a rookie quarterback. And Jackson Darts feeling
pretty good about himself. Last year was a big quarterback class,
and we said we thought most of these guys outside
of JJ McCarthy was the one I didn't really buy.
Speaker 4 (32:45):
But I liked everybody at certain levels.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
I loved Caleb and Jayden Daniels, and I really like
Pennix and bow Nicks, and I thought Drake May also
was gonna make it. So Drake May won again yesterday,
three touchdowns one hundred and fifty five passer rating. You
can look at the highlights, size, temperament, accuracy, mobility. He's
top six right now in total yards, in total touchdowns,
(33:11):
and he doesn't have a ton to work with. PFF
in their preseason evaluation had New England as the second
worst wide receiver group. So to me, head coach Will
Campbell looks like he's gonna work. Head coach left tackle
quarterback renew year season tickets. It looks like they found
the guy. Special teams are excellent. So I would say
if you look over last years first round quarterbacks, here
(33:36):
is the report card. Caleb looks promising. Jaden and Drake
May in my opinion, are hits. Michael Pennix inconsistent like Caleb,
but very promising. JJ McCarthy wasn't.
Speaker 4 (33:49):
A huge fan.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
I have real doubts. He looks overwhelmed. Bo Nicks who
plays tonight. I think that is another hit. He's been
a shaky September quarterback, but good otherwise.
Speaker 4 (33:58):
And here's Mike Vrabel, his young QB.
Speaker 8 (34:02):
Just throw to the guy that's open in the progression
as soon as he's open, and then if not quickly
progressed through those are the things that that quarterbacks have
to do, and they have to have a command of it.
Speaker 5 (34:13):
And we we did that.
Speaker 8 (34:15):
If we continue just to believe in the quarterback that
he's going to throw it to the guy who's open
in the progression, that good things will happen.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
Okay, So I like getting up and having a football
game on. Now that I live in Chicago most of
the year, I don't like waiting till noon. When I
used to live out East waiting to one, it was
like honey news, mow the lawn.
Speaker 4 (34:35):
Yeah, get me out of here.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
Now I gotta wait till noon. So I love international games.
Uh you know, bonjou, smoke all day, wear socks, dress,
socks to bed whatever. I'll turn French if I have
to get more early games. I am a fan of it,
especially a fan if you're a Steeler and you watched
(34:58):
Aaron Rodgers yesterday. Like I've been saying this for years,
Tomlin's fine. The defense will make plays. They spend a
bunch of money on it. It's not a real chaotic franchise.
They can't run the ball. Their pass pro is shaky.
I thought yesterday blew me away one hundred and thirty
rushing yards, Aaron had only four balls hit the ground.
(35:19):
He and DK Metcalf clearly work. And again, this is
against the real team. We're not talking Jets and Bengals here.
It's a real defense with a real coordinator. So their
offense has been struggling for seven years and it was
certainly the best offensive performance. And I'm not just talking stats.
I'm talking pass pro run game, facing a real team,
time to throw a connectivity with a star receiver. I mean,
(35:43):
Russell Wilson had a couple of big games last year.
Speaker 4 (35:45):
They didn't feel like this.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
So it's the first time I have watched the Steelers offense,
I'm honestly in years, and I was like, oh, they
could win a playoff game. It's twenty twenty five. That's
a real offense. So, I mean, they've got a star receiver,
a smart veteran quarterback. They're good on third down, they
run the ball, there was holes, they were good in
(36:09):
the red zone. I mean it was this is not
the Steelers I've watched for the last six years.
Speaker 4 (36:15):
So and Brian Flores, I.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
Mean, honestly, you know, I felt like it was like
that dysfunctional family member came out for a family vacation
and you're like, oh, he's got a job. He's not
wearing a band T shirt. He's got a sweater on
and a cute girlfriend. He's talking about setting up a
roth Ira. You're like the dysfunctional brother in the family's
(36:38):
all grown up. I felt like I watched the grown
up offense. I you know, listen, and I've been critical
of Aaron.
Speaker 4 (36:45):
Aaron looked great. I was. I was blown away with Aaron.
It's my favorite bet of the week. I started on one,
but uh yeah, j Mac rolls his eyes. You didn't
win that one either.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
But I told you stay away from the Bills, stay
away from the Chargers, stay away from the back to
get out of those are traps. But I, I mean,
you and I have been critical of Aaron Rodgers, but
we have to be fair in this business. He looked
really young and really vibrant and really good.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
Did he not?
Speaker 4 (37:13):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (37:13):
I did with on the Vikings and Rogers looked good.
So they clearly knew that he was going to be
in trouble under pressure, right, everybody knew that They released
the ball. I think it was the quickest Rogers had
released it this season. Everything was boom boom, get rid
of the ball instantly. None of this's like hang around
and go through progressions, and Rogers delivered like it was
a good game plan. I will admit Minnesota's offensive line
(37:35):
killed them in that game. When we get our intkey
eighty yard touchdown to DK Metcalf to make it well.
Speaker 4 (37:41):
That's that's fourteen three. That's not fluke.
Speaker 3 (37:43):
Come on, eighty yards, it's the longest touchdown of the
season so far. That's fluky. They're not replicating that. You
know that lucky play, and I know that sounds dismissive.
It was twenty four to six. Stealers killed him. We
were way wrong. I was wrong.
Speaker 5 (37:57):
Carson wentz.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
By the way Carson wentz. Is there a quarter controversy
of Minnesota anymore?
Speaker 2 (38:01):
Huh huh?
Speaker 4 (38:03):
What would JJ McCarthy done against that pass rush? I
mean it was I.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
Don't want to make excuses though, like the Vikings could
not adjust, they didn't have the personnel.
Speaker 3 (38:13):
Well, by the way, a lot of people going after
Kevin O'Connell. Here, Vikings, dopey Vikings fans. Hey, I don't know,
Kevin O'Connell.
Speaker 5 (38:20):
What's happening?
Speaker 3 (38:21):
Like people are just overreacting. Carson Wentz did not look
like he was ready. I think he got sack six times.
Colin a lot of poor decisions in the pocket. I
also want to talk about this. Let's talk Bears and
Raiders first. Okay, please?
Speaker 4 (38:32):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (38:32):
So it was an interesting game the Bears Raiders was interesting.
Speaker 4 (38:36):
It was really ugly.
Speaker 1 (38:37):
It was the opposite of last night, which was really
beautiful offensive football and great quarterback play. So Gino was hideous.
Gino Smith had three turnovers. I still can't figure out.
Pete Carroll literally can't sleep at night if you throw
one interception. Pete can't stand turnovers. He likes Gino Gino,
(38:57):
how many do you have?
Speaker 7 (38:58):
Now?
Speaker 2 (38:58):
Seven?
Speaker 1 (38:59):
So Gino was atrocious and the Bears needed a block
field goal to win.
Speaker 4 (39:07):
With four turnovers from their defense.
Speaker 1 (39:10):
So my takeaway though, when you watch the Bears play
is I think you have to be honest about this.
I don't think Ben and Caleb are ever. I mean,
like Brock Purdy and Shanahan. What Brock Purty does is
what Shanahan wants him to do, right, And I thought
(39:31):
Sam Darnold and Kevin O'Connell that's how he wants his
quarterback to play where you've got some ceiling and upside.
Speaker 4 (39:37):
Yeah, like I think, I think Caleb.
Speaker 1 (39:40):
The most impressive thing to me was that Caleb was
making hard throws over the middle of the field, which
a lot of smaller quarterbacks can't. He's not small. But
it's not just that he completed the ball. Is he
kept his eyes downfield when he was running. He slid
at the right time, but he made them over like
that throw right there to Roma Dunze. This is a
big time Matt Stafford throw. It's not just throws up
(40:03):
the sideline. He said that they could not block Max Crosby,
they could not block him, and Caleb knew they couldn't
block him, and Caleb knew they couldn't block him. So
that's in Caleb's head. They're on the road. They had
I mean that they they had penalties so to win
in artistically and Caleb making big boy throws down the
(40:24):
middle of the field with Crosby bearing down on you.
Speaker 4 (40:29):
Here's Caleb after the win.
Speaker 7 (40:31):
I think those moments that you know we're we're born
for that I'm born for, and I think being able
to portray the belief that you know, guys, this is
all we got and this is all we need. We're,
you know, in a in a position where we're not
in a favorite position.
Speaker 4 (40:47):
We're down.
Speaker 7 (40:49):
It's it's all eleven of us on the field and
we got to go do a job. And so I
think just a belief, the trust, the hard work that
we put in, those are the moments that you that
you wish for.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
I'm gonna throw this out there, though, is that I
do feel like Roma Dunzee and Caleb have a connection.
Cole comment who was with him last year, they have
a connection. I mean Luther Burden, it's hit and miss
DJ Moore can feel like he disappears throughout the Force
four games of the year, and guys get dinged up
and we don't know the health of everybody. Sometimes the
(41:22):
guy gets dinged up on the second series and the
coaches don't want you to know. So I don't want
to try to guess or speculate. I think they could
move one of their skilled people to get a little
better defensively, because sometimes I feel like they have too
many players that Caleb has to get the ball to,
and clearly he and Roma Dunze fit
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