October 6, 2025 • 41 mins
In this week’s "Where Colin Was Right, Where Colin Was Wrong," Colin takes a victory lap on his take about the New York Yankees but admits he missed the mark on the Detroit Lions
Colin believes players like Baker Mayfield wouldn't be the where they are now without all the struggles he had to deal with
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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listening to Fox Sports Radio. All right, welcome back, hour two.
It is a Monday. We are live in Los Angeles.
Beautiful weather in Chicago was eighty flu In here it
was seventy five, So Chicago weather, you know, it's always better,
but nonetheless it was. We've had some great weather in America.
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We have a long summer, which generally means a harsher wind,
right thing fras on out here. You sure you went
to the Chargers game yesterday, the yet very friendly fans.
Chargers were rolling.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
And your boy Quinton Johnson fumbles in the game.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Totally flipping. No, it's it was amazing some of these
games this weekend. How about I mean, we haven't talked
about UCLA beating Penn State. That's the biggest win for UCLA.
The last time they won a game like that was
Josh Rosen beating A and M. How about like forty
four forty one shootout? That was a wild game.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Man, James Franklin, is he still employed by ben State
and it's going on?
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Defended him for a long time. Here we go, it's
Colin right, Colin wrong in a Monday, and here we
go where Colin was right. I told you the Eagles
may not be solvable. Folks, Saquon Barkley, you're not getting
a yard before he's getting hit. I think Nick Sirianni
is very coordinator dependent. Aj Brown, mister invisible forty three
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total yards. Saquon had six carries all game. Not only
does coaching matter, I've been preaching this, coordinators matter. Look
at the Niners with Robert Sola and a bunch of
young guys and Fred Warner. This is not a player's
issue in Philly. It's a coordinator issue.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Where Colin was raw.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Well, the best football coach in the world is Jim Harball.
Stick with that, but boy, that didn't look like it yesterday.
Ten penalties, that's after last week having fourteen against the Giants. Listen,
they don't have their offensive coordinators. Justin Herbert is in
big trouble. But if Kansas City wins tonight, and I
think they will. The Chiefs, the Broncos, and the Chargers
will all be knotted up at three to two in
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the AFC West. I know they're injury plague, but the
Chargers look directionless as of now. Where Colin was right,
I picked New England to make the playoffs. I said
they would be the double the win total team and
they're three and two and face the Saints, the Titans,
and the Browns coming up. Mike Frable is one of
the smartest coaches in the league, and I think, listen
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the last four starts. Drake May's got six cuddies in
one pick, so, like a lot of young quarterbacks, he's
got to clean some stuff up. But this is what
I thought they would be the Jets. The Dolphins were
circling the drain without a real culture. I knew Vrabel
would get it right very fast. I think he's even
ahead of schedule. Where Colin was wrong, Raiders are one
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and four and I thought they would be a solid
offensive team. And I'm not a huge fan of Geno Smith,
but I didn't think they'd be thirtieth in scoring. Gino's
been awful, The defense didn't have any sacks yesterday, which
is you know that's raiders usually can pressure the quarterback.
Gino Smith's comeback story. It's not going to be Darnold
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or Baker or Daniel Jones. He's not that good. Second
worst point differential in the NFL. I thought with Chip
Pete and Gino, they would be a viable team capable
of beating anybody in their division. And I'm not sure
if they're capable of winning over the next month. Where
Colin was right, Miami Blew was seventeen. Nothing lead to Carolina.
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This goes back the hipster head coach, zero toughness, zero culture,
and I think you lose games late when you don't
know what you are. You can have talent, what are
they And I said Mike Vrabel his schemes are toughness.
This team, I never ever know quite what they are
outside of really fast at wide receiver. So I mean
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think about this. They were out gained on the ground
by Carolina two hundred and thirty nine yards to nineteen.
They are the opposite of the Patriots under Vrabel.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
Where Colin was raw.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Yeah, I got a little over dramatic. I overreacted when
I said the Lions' new coordinators could be has Matt
spill Yeah, I was wrong. Jared Goff has he thrown
an incompletion In the last couple of weeks. He's completed
like seventy five percent of their throws. Listen upstairs. They
got too many good players, best backfield, best offensive line.
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They've won the last four games like a college team
by sixteen points. Johnny Martin is calling a smart game,
and it goes back to something that you have to
believe in. Dan Campbell created the culture and this general
manager in this front office. They do not miss on
a lot of draft picks. They may go in the
trade deadline and get a corner. Keep your eyes on
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the Detroit Lions getting some secondary help at the trade deadline.
Rams and Lions, keep your eye on that.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
I said the Yankees are a good team, but they're
not great because they're so uneven. They have been blown
out twice by Toronto. They have an average bullpen, they
strike out way too much. They're completely home run dependent,
and Aaron Judge and John Carlos Stanton are great players,
but in the postseason you don't get as many bad pitches.
They don't play small ball. The Dodgers have a stack roster,
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but can play small ball and grind out at bats.
This is a good team, but everybody bangs on Aaron Boone.
This is an uneven roster. They've surrendered twenty three runs
in two games. What is a manager supposed to The
Yankees are a good team, but they're too uneven to
be great. Where Colin was raw, Well, my Penn State
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Texas meet for the National championship prediction, I'm gonna go
with not gonna happen. Ucla played a nearly flawless first
three quarters and drew Aller and arch Manning that were
at very high profile quarterbacks. Arch is really struggling and
drew Aller. Not a lot of juice, Nico Iamaliava. Let's
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give him credit. We were all beating up on that kid.
UCLA's coaches, Jerry Neuheisel, leaned into his athletic ability. So
the Texas offense and the Penn State defense we thought
could be great or a mess. Where Colin was right.
Where Colin was wrong on a Monday, Well, our buddy
Matt Hasselbeck, how about that the halftime speech up in Seattle.
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He's still up in the Pacific Northwest. So the Seahawks
invited their fifty greatest players ever. Matt had no idea
it would be the greatest NFL game. Maybe in two years.
Brady and Manning met seventeen times, they never combined for
thirty five points each. I watched that game yesterday. I
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was saying this, Matt, first impressions are unfair. If you
took out Sam and New York and Baker in Cleveland
and you just watched them for the first time, you
would think you are watching top five quarterbacks in the league.
I was I going to tell you right now, I'm
not sure if Baker's not the MVP, what was your
in person your impression having quarterbacks in this league for
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a long time of what you watched yesterday live.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
Well, I think those experiences that both of those quarterbacks
had early in their careers have hardened them and given
them the grit and the determination and that like, I
don't give a rip factor that they have in these games.
Big throws, downfield, hostile environment, two minute drives, you know,
all that kind of stuff. I think Baker his grit.
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This team is taking on his personality and to do
it without Mike Evans without your starting running back leaning
on a rookie wide receiver the way he did incredibly impressive.
But I don't think Baker Mayfield would be who he
is today had he not gone through the valleys and
the disappointments that he went through early in his career.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Yeah, you know, there's a difference between playing with a
chip on your shoulder and it disrupts your play, you're reckless,
and then playing with a chip on your shoulder under
control and you get paid. You got some money, you're
happily married, you have good teammates. You can still have
that chip on your shoulder. It's like Michael Jordan always
had the chip, but he didn't have to score sixty.
He could pass to Steve Kerb but he's still had
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a chip. And Sam's interesting because Sam had a reckless
and accuracy issue. I never I didn't know if you
could clean that up. I watched Sam Darnold, and I
see somebody who's coachable and has put the time in.
Did you ever think, I mean, Baker Olwys to a ball.
Did you ever think Donald would be this accurate, this
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consistently as a player.
Speaker 5 (09:05):
That was never my my concern was Sam Donald.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
My concern was Sam Donald coming out of college is
his eyes were never really in the right place.
Speaker 5 (09:12):
But that's a young player. I mean, he was very young.
Speaker 4 (09:15):
He was one of the youngest guys in his class.
I think when he came, when he was in the
league for like two or three years, he was younger
than some of the quarterbacks coming out in the draft
after him. Yeah, And so like those are fixable things.
I think the athleticism has always been there. That's not
the that's not the factor. It's these other things. You know,
whether it's focused, Like you talk about that intensity with Baker.
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Baker has this great ability of like almost getting into
it with a d lineman, like in their face they're
Jawn and then like the forty second clock starts, and
then by second twenty five on the clock, he flips
the switch and he's like a golfer approaching his next
sand weed shot. He's got this great focus right after
you know, John and competing and all that kind of stuff,
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And that's sometimes hard, a hard thing to balance. And
I think you know, a guy like Sam Darnold, he's
so good, so talented, having an incredible year, but just
having that ability to maybe like slow things down in
the biggest moments. That's where he'll take his game to
the very, very next level.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
So I watched Philadelphia and my take is, you can
watch Robert solo what he has done to the Niners
defense with Fred Warner. They lose Bosa, they lose Hafunga,
they lose Greenlaw. Defense is great, and you're like, wow,
how Robert sala is that Not only do coaches matter,
coordinators matter, And I think Sirianni's always been coordinator dependent.
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That's not a criticism, it's a reality. Most guys, most
head coaches aren't Shanahan with schemes. They're not. And I
watched Philadelphia. What really bothered me forty five yards rushing.
I mean they only had a handful of carries in
the second half. I'll ask you, what is Philadelphia's offensive
identity today? I have no That's.
Speaker 5 (10:54):
Yeah, that's the thing. They know what it is and
they got to stick to it.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
They got to stay off Twitter, stay off talk radio,
you know those kinds of things.
Speaker 5 (11:00):
I think Saquon had like six carries. I think as
a team they.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
Maybe had eleven, and really like Sean Payton and the
Broncos don't deserve a lot of credit here also, But
I just think that Philly needs to just be proud
of who they are. Like I think, you know, sometimes
you're trying to feed disgruntled players just a little bit,
trying to keep everybody happy. Listen, when you have success
and you win, there's enough credit to go around.
Speaker 5 (11:22):
There's enough football to go around.
Speaker 4 (11:23):
I think Saquon I appreciate how they' getting involved in
the passing game, but you're giving the defense too much
credit if you just say, oh, they're going to quote
unquote stack the box against Saquon.
Speaker 5 (11:34):
Make them prove that they can stop the run. That
would be my advice to Philly.
Speaker 4 (11:37):
Make every team you play prove that they are as
physical as they are lining up to be with guys
in the box. And they're talented. Listen, they're talented in
the passing game. I just don't think you need to
force it. If you're a great receiver and you're a
great tight end, the ball will find you. Just stick
to who you are. Philly, you're the best team in
football last year for a reason. Don't forget it, and
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don't buy into the hype on the outside noise.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
There are moments in any young quarterback's life, in any
young team's life, that you could look back on your
career Matt and go, Okay. I remember we were playing
the Lions. We trailed in the fourth. I came back
and won it. I looked at that win for Drake May.
He may not even remember it in ten years. But
I didn't think it would happen this quick. I thought
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they'd make the playoffs, and I thought he'd be good.
But you watched the Pittsburgh game and you're like, he's
not there yet, the offense is not there. I thought
that win was not about Buffalo, Buffalo fume of the ball.
I thought it was about Drake May and Mike Rabel, like, okay,
this is plan a flag. Buffalo doesn't lose at home.
I wonder if they're ahead of their schedule. What was
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your thoughts, Yeah, they're ahead of their schedule. I think
an X factor for me, though, was Stefon Diggs. Stefon
Diggs has come in.
Speaker 4 (12:50):
The New England media had been tough on him, like
where his targets, where's his yards? He doesn't show up,
He's getting out played by other receivers. They came in there,
and I felt like there was an intensity to Stefan Diggs.
Josh McDaniels was trying to get him the ball. Drake
May was trying to get him the ball on time
or scrambling. It was almost like we're doing this for
ggsy kind of a deal, and like there's something really
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special when you do that for a teammate that you respect,
and especially when the media has been beaten up on him,
and so like, I just thought, listen for the Patriots.
No other team in the NFL feels this way, but
I feel like for the Patriots, they're like, man, could
we play Buffalo all the time, because like that's the
intensity they need from the passing game, that really is.
Speaker 5 (13:30):
And they drafted Drake May for a reason.
Speaker 4 (13:32):
They wanted their own version of Josh Allen and like
that doesn't really exist, but they saw something with the
third pick overall in that draft and they said, you
know what, we think that this guy could be that.
Speaker 5 (13:44):
You know, they tried.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
The Mac Jones thing and they were like, yeah, you're good,
but you're not Josh Allen. We're looking for Josh Allen
and we'll take the risk for the upside. And I
think Drake May has everybody in New England fired up.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
Yeah, so I had real questions about Brian Schottenheimer. But
it's interesting when Zeke left, Zach Martin left, Tyron Smith left,
Des Bryant left, Amari Cooper left. There's always been this
thing like, oh boy who, and yet Dak doesn't have
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any of them right now, doesn't have Micah, doesn't even
have CD LAMB. And I know it's the Jets. I
it's the best I've ever seen him play. And I
wonder I said this earlier. It's almost like the Darnald
Baker Dak thing that you get ten thousand hours and
you've got your money and you're securing yourself and the
game slows down. But I mean, I've never seen Dak
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play like this. I think he's carrying an average roster.
I mean they don't have a number one receiver. I'm
not sure they have a two. I don't think they
have a dominant running back. I think the on line
is missing starters. Have you ever seen Dak this good?
Explain it to me.
Speaker 5 (14:55):
Well, I don't overreact.
Speaker 4 (14:57):
I mean he had you know, two goal line touchdown
passes inside the also and it was the Jets, and
when your defense is as bad as theirs is, sometimes
you know your passing numbers feel a little bit better. However,
this is absolutely the best that I've seen Dak Prescott look,
the best I've seen him play, and I think for me,
I think this is the most I've seen him as
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a leader on the team, Like literally up and down
the sideline the whole game. The confidence in lockstep with
the play caller, Like this is exactly what the Cowboys.
Speaker 5 (15:27):
Have been paying for.
Speaker 4 (15:29):
He is going to be the guy that is going
to have to put the team on his back later
in the season when the schedule gets tougher, when the
games mean more. So I am excited about that, the
MVP chance and all that kind of stuff. I think
we're getting way, way, way ahead of ourselves. But from
the first day of the season this year, I thought
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Dak looked different physically, and I think it's showing up
and how he plays.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
I want to end with this because it's a weird trend.
I have this theory, Matt. Are you ready for my
theory on this? Here's my thing. Between TikTok and Instagram,
everything's performative. I mean, you can't even go to dinner.
People at restaurants are taking pictures of food. You can't
go to a nice vacation. It's a thousand pictures. And
there's this need to be cool, right like, especially for
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people in their twenties. And I think it's bleeding into
sports where this constant need to be performative. And we
had another running back. This is the third player to
do this, the second and two weeks dropped the ball
at the goal line. And my take is he knows
who the goal line is. This is a young player
who's finally getting to play. It's performative. This is what
is happening in society. You can't go to a restaurant.
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People are taking pictures of food. How do they look?
I mean this ad Mitchell, the kid for the Jets.
That's my takeaway because I don't even know what I
would say. I said earlier, football so hard, even at practice.
It's so disrespectful to your teammates. To get a seventy
yard run as a bad team in the NFL is
unheard of. What would you are you saying? What do
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you make of this weird trend?
Speaker 4 (17:04):
It is weird, but listen, I don't think fundamentals get
coached nearly as much as they did thirty forty fifty
years ago.
Speaker 5 (17:10):
Like, we just don't do it, you.
Speaker 4 (17:11):
Know, you just kind of you so about scheme and
ex's and o's. We don't coach coach fundamentals. You know,
when I got to when I got into the NFL,
one of the things I noticed is that, you know,
that staff was coming from the forty nine ers with
Jerry Rice and those guys, and the rule there was
you had to finish until the camera was off of you.
So it was it wasn't even just played through the whistle.
You had to finish until the camera.
Speaker 5 (17:30):
Was off of you.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
That's not what it was like at the end of
my career, not at all. However, at the end of
my career, at least at the end of my career
in Seattle, Pete Carroll was the head coach.
Speaker 5 (17:38):
He was great.
Speaker 4 (17:38):
He said, hey, guys, I want you to practice your
end zone celebrations and tell a friend okay, and make
sure that the friend approves that it's like a cool
enough end zone celebration. But also what he was doing
is was he was sort of putting it through a
filter of make sure it's legal. We don't want a
fifteen yard penalty because you punt the ball into the
stands or you don't get on the goalpost all of
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a sudden, Oh, I didn't know that was a penalty.
And so like it was creative by Pete Carroll to
kind of like coach these little I don't know, like
details of fundamentals and the rules without being like.
Speaker 5 (18:11):
Hey, finished through the goal line.
Speaker 4 (18:13):
I mean, I saw Charles Woodson do a thing on
the Fox pregame show where he was like, finish to
the goal line.
Speaker 5 (18:16):
It's not like we're not saying it, You're not hearing it.
Speaker 4 (18:19):
I just think with this generation, like you're saying you
got to get more creative, much like Pete Carroll did.
Speaker 5 (18:24):
I thought he did a great job with it.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
How was the halftime speech in front of seventy thousand people?
Were you a little bit nervous?
Speaker 4 (18:29):
A little I don't know if I was nervous, But
I had a plan in my head. I was going
to invite all the top fifty players up onto the
stage with me, kind of like Mike Ruzione style, and
lead him in a chant. And I'm getting the rap
and I'm getting the rap and there's one set of
stairs and some of the guys like Earl Thomas and
Marshaun Lynch Camp Chancellor, they got no problem with stairs.
Some of the older guys that played with Chuck Knox,
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I wasn't sure their.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
Knees could do the stairs or no stairs.
Speaker 5 (18:54):
It was a blast though.
Speaker 4 (18:55):
That's a great it's a great stadium, a great fan base,
my opinion, the best. We just need the Seahawks to
start playing better at home. I can't explain that part
that needs to get fixed.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Yeah, well they're losing the good team San Francisco and Tampa.
That was an old timer. It's great seeing you and
happy for you. Thanks man, Look at the kid.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
Uh oh, you know you didn't have a ton.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Of hair then either.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
No, I didn't.
Speaker 4 (19:18):
I was back I was getting carted back then in Seattle. Oh,
thanks for having me. Let's see Matt Hasselbeck. That was
a good football game. That was just an insane football game, Jamak.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
He was at a game. I sat home on the
couch and it was not a good slate yesterday. Well,
when you play two Monday night games and then you
have the Rams Niners plan on Thursday, those if you
would have had the Rams Niners plan in the late
game with the Bucks in Seattle and then into New
England Buffalo. It would have been great. But the more
games you take away from Sunday you get a pretty bleak.
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I mean, the Bears didn't play and they've become a
fascinating team. Oh well, I'm a man of the people.
What can I say. I like to go out the games,
be among you know, the masses.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
Yes now, I will say no Lamari yesterday, Josh Allen
played at night, and Patrick Mahomes is tonight. Yeah, those
are pretty much the three core guys. Burrows obviously hurt
when you take away the four best quarterbacks.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
I'll tay this o J Mack. It's pretty clear. Let's
be fair. Drake make him play.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Drake make it play. Also, Justin Herbert does not have
any protection.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
No, no, I'm just talking young guys. All I care
about young quarterback Jayden Daniels. You saw yesterday.
Speaker 5 (20:21):
He's a bat, he's good.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Bon Knicks can play, Mike may him play. So we
have three hits from that class. We're waiting on Caleb,
who's clearly gotten better with a legit coach, and Penix
has been hot and cold. But you and I like
football when quarterback plays good. So that's my take is
root for Baker Mayfield and Sam to be reborn, root
for bon Nicks and Drake. I mean, Danzel Jones is
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maybe the best story in the league right now. Honestly,
you know who you don't want to watch the Jets,
So I root. People think, oh, you don't eat Baker.
I would vote Hi MVP today.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
To be clear, Justin Fields has not been awful. He's
I think seven touchdowns, zero pick.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Little little sat patting.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
It's the fumbles. They lead the league in miss tackles.
Like things are just yeah, not good.
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Speaker 1 (21:54):
Yeah. Oh, we're back asleep at the wheel. No, I'm
just looking at the yesterday in the Giants game. I
wondered if it had ever happened. Yesterday in the New
York Giants game, the Giants had a turnover on five
straight possessions. Never happened before. And it's a mighty Saints defense, Yankees, Giants, Jets,
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and then the Bills lose dumpster fire. By the way,
Brandon Staley is the defensive coordinator for the Saints. He's
done something. They've been competitive, right. We called this on Friday. No,
you called it. I wouldn't touch that. Okay, I'll take
j Mack read the news.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
This is the herd Line news.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
All right. We're starting positive this hour. And that's the
Detroit Lions who are cooking right now.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
Cooker. They lost to the Packers in the opener. They've
been dominant ever since.
Speaker 7 (22:53):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
And the duo, the dynamic duo of David Montgomery and
Jamier Gibbs. These guys are good Man. Montgomery scored Gibs
Gordon Montgomery threw one. Is the fourteenth game both of
them the scored a touchdown.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
When when's the last time we had a running back
duo this good. I'm surprised.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
Like Saquon is a one man show, a lot of
these teams are one man shows.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
Get a second running back. This is smart football. Neither
of them wear down anyways.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Is the first time that anybody has done this since
Emmett and Darryl Johnston with the Cowboys. That's how dominant
Montgomery and Gidson been. Colin Lyon looks.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
Like these teams they go and get a running back
and then they wear him out. And the truth is,
I mean I've said this about the Niners before, like
they should be drafting running backs. You want to get
McCaffrey about thirteen to fourteen touches, not at twenty five. Now, Yeah,
you just can't do it. I mean, we know his
career and by the way, you can use him as
a decoy. I mean, again, I am four to McCaffrey
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touching it, but I want him touching it in the
red zone. I want him touching it on third and
fourth down. There's no need for second down carries for
Christian McCaffrey. So I just think Detroit they're just so smart.
This should be the trend to me is that you
have two running backs. I think the Rams wanting it,
but Blake Koram hasn't hit. They had Kyron Williams and
he's a smaller back and they thought, okay, we'll have
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another back in Korum just hasn't work.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Saquan needs a wingman. He just looks like the same guy.
I'll say this Montgomery. I'm fairly certain this is like
his third deep. Remember he was like a touchdown guy elsewhere,
like Gibbs, by the way, has been sick Jack.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
Another team is Buffalo. James Cook is great. Let's get
James Cook about six to seven fewer touches a game.
Chargers tried it with Nause Harrison Hampton. Now they're both hurt.
But I think a trend in the NFL as everybody
bangs on running backs. It's the last position in football
you can tackle from any angle and any spot on
the field. They're unprotected, so they come flying through that
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line safeties. Linebackers can go with their knees, can go
with their shoulders, their heads and My take is dual
running backs should be the trend going things.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
Je's one of this with Grease Hall and Braylen Allen
and Alan's hurt again.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
All is a fumble machine. By the way.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Lions Chiefs next week Sunday Night. But age, let me
get there's no line yet because Che's played a night.
Where's it at at Kansas City? I think I'd take
Detroit spicy.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
You're giving me a dominant run game against no run
game so I can keep Mahomes off the field.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
Yeah, and Mahomes on a short week because they played
to night aga.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
I like Detroit there. I bet you. The line is
probably it's gonna be Lions minus two and a half.
I doubt the Chiefs are gonna be that big of
a dog at home, all right. I think I like
the Lions match up well with them.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
Lions win that, and I think they've got to be
a top three team in.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
The league, right. I think there'll beat some bad teams.
Colin Let's I'm not you and I agree there are bad,
truly bad teams in this league. Yeah, there are no
great teams. There are great The Detroit Lions offense is great. Yeah,
I mean play calling o line, running back room tight
ends amor on Saint Brown. The Chiefs defense has it,
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the Rams defense, they have their moments. They look great,
but there are no great teams. Distance. He's tough.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
Let's move on to oh Jackson Dart. I was told
last week he's something. They've got something, Colin. I mean,
we look at this highlight. He's just running oops. I
mean like you could play the yack Andy sax music.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
He's just he was not good.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
I tried to tell you guys about this. Now I'll
give dark credit afterward. He totally owned his garbage performance.
Here he is.
Speaker 8 (26:22):
I told as many guys I can in the locker room,
this one's on me, and I'm gonna get better. And
you know, I expect myself to play better in these
games and to win them.
Speaker 5 (26:31):
I'm the leader of the offense, so.
Speaker 8 (26:34):
I think that, you know, anytime that those things happen,
you know, it kind of falls back on, you know,
the leaders, and I take that responsibility.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
He owned it. He was bad. Respect Where do you
get those glasses? Jorganza? Come on, he's a good looking kid.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
He's a handsome guy. He's got you know, he's copy
of my hairstyle. At least got the open shirt. The
necklace a little bit too much. I want my guys
buttoned up. I like me Jalen Hurts with briefcase. You
like the Dap Shah put the just kidding around. Jackson
Dart seems like a cool guy. Seems like he's got
the locker room.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
People like him. The media like owned his stuff. I
have no problem with it. I like young guys that
own their stuff.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
As the heads up rookie quarterback Thursday Night Football, I
saw that against the Eagles.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
A brutal spot and Philly's not gonna be happy.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
With that loss.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
That's a rough spot. What's the line on that? A billion?
I think as eight at least a touchdown. I think
Eagles smash spot.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Final story, Colin, we got to give your boys Sean
Peyton some problems. Sean Payton passed Bill Parcells for sixteenth
on the all time wins list with one hundred and
seventy threes, now tied with John Harbaugh John.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
Harbaugh for third most among activists. Check that fourth quarter
coaching Denver. I'm telling you right now, Denver's got the
most underrated roster in the league. You know, everybody got
Peyton got rid of everybody, but you know who he
didn't get rid of, the general manager. This is a
good roster. They have drafted well. Harvey can play, Mims
can play. They've gone on Sutton, big spot. He looked big,
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he d well. Sutton had a first half drop. I
gotta move Denver up. I think Denver's for real. I
the second half of that game, There's no question second
half of that game, who the better coach, better quarterback,
better team was. Denver was absolutely the better tea You
saying Sean Payton's a better coach than Nick Sirianni, I
think Peyton's great. Peyton rubs some people the wrong way.
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But when you watch that game, and again, bo Nicks
has twenty two stars, you're watching that game, man, they
are impossible to predict. That emotion sets different people. They
are hard, I mean, and they're smart. They roll the
pocket out with bon Nicks all the time. They I
don't think people quite understand this. Bonnicks is one of
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the better athletes at quarterback in the league. Dude can
move like fast.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
You've been on this so you like the Broncos. Bonnick's
rookie quarterback or contract. You like the Colts right now,
Daniel Jones not a Max Steel knowing like New England rookie,
also Sam Darnold, Baker Mayfield. They're not making fifty sixty
million a year.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
That's right, that's how you look. You look at the
best rosters in the NFL right now. They're all the
best teams for Denver, I think the Colt roster. If
you look at Seattle's roster, Tampa, why because you're not
paying the quarterback sixty large. Yeah, I mean and Buffalo.
We've been saying this now for multiple weeks. That defense
for Buffalo in the back end, they got a lot
of holes, a lot of holes.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
Josh of Fortune, let's put on the screen most wins
among active coaches, Andy Reid, by far is number one,
followed by Tomlin, Harbaugh and company.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
Now we can't get her on the screen. Technical differ, Yeah, okay, yeah,
but you're right, they're all they're all and they're all
different styles. Yeah, I mean, Andy Reid's been around for
a while. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:46):
J Mack with the news, Well that's the news, and
thanks for stopping by the herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
The uh, I just I can't get over I really
am struggling how to figure out why players are dropping
the ball, And the only thing I can come up
with is we just live in a more performative society
where young people are constantly on camera. I mean, they're
people like not one or two. There's dozens of young
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people who have like taken a picture of themselves on
a cliff and died. Yeah, ye like like that.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
That's not like one or two, Like it happens regularly.
Here's the worst part, Colin. After the happen to ad
Mitchell and the Colts, don't you think every team.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
In the league.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
The coach went to the team was like, guys, don't
freaking do this? Isn't that normal coaching? Like, hey, everybody
saw the Colts blue their game because of that. I
don't want to see any of that crap. It seems
like that's a.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
Logical move by the coach. How did again and not
do that? It's just remarkable. You have to be so
selfish to me that, you know, how hard are you?
And the brotherhood practice every day? Like I mean, football
is one of those sports where you practice a time
and you don't play very much. You know, in baseball,
there's a game every night hockey and NBA eighty two games.
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In football, you have seven times to practice is for
the games now. So when you get to the games, bro,
we're just asking you for fifty offensive play a game.
Plays a game, Be an adult, be a grown up,
be a teammate, be a decent person.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
De Mercado third string running back right Ben said, Finley
gets a chance to play, and Mitchell's like, I think
a third string receiver. It was only playing because Pierce
was out, So we're not talking about start. You're not
seeing cd Lamb do this crap right, You're not seeing
Justin Jefferson.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
But you would think the backup players, knowing this is
a rare opportunity due to injury to play, would be
more aware of Man, I got to be coachable. I
got to be a great teammate because I'm not as
talented as cdee Lamb. I'm not as talented as James Connor.
So I'm going to be the best teammate I can be.
It's one thing if a star does something, you're like, well,
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he does deliver thirteen touchdowns a year and nineteen yards
of catch. By the way, Harrison had another big moment.
Marvin Harris. Oh is that catch?
Speaker 7 (32:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (32:01):
That was nice?
Speaker 1 (32:02):
That was nice crazy.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
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Speaker 2 (32:14):
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Speaker 1 (32:22):
Regional action Seahawks Jags is good. Check local listings for
the game in your area. Sunday on Fox. You were
five and one, I was three and two. Jags Tonight
money line. I would it's not to me at three.
I would take Kansas City at three and a half.
But I don't trust the Jags in a big spot.
You can't just go into Jacksonville and try to get
a W. It's not that easy anymore. Colin scary. So
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my number one rule with new head coaches, college or pro.
I don't expect you to win immediately, but I'm gonna
watch your side of the ball. We Alway said about Lincoln.
USC's offense has been good, so don't don't blame that.
Brandon Staley the defense, he's a defensive guy. The defense
got bad with the Chargers. So Aaron Glenn's a defensive guy,
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a secondary guy goes to the Jets. The secondary sauce
Gardner is worse than it was last year. They're the
second worst tackling team in the league. He's a defensive coach. Yes,
they don't have a single takeaway all season. First time
in NFL history a team's gone five weeks with no takeaways.
How is that possible? What did they play Brady five times?
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How is that possible? No takeaways? Can't tackle, no pressures
thirtieth in pressures, they do nothing well. So his side
of the ball is atrocious. Actually, justin Field's stats are
pretty good, but they're dropping him in five and seven
step drops way too much. Justin Field should play like
bow Nicks and Denver like move They move bow Knicks
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because bow Nicks is not six to five. They move
him out of the pocket a lot. They create passing lanes.
Justin Field should be moving around. He's not a drop
back behind a bad pass pro line quarterback. It's like,
figure it out. This is the easy stuff in this league.
Role justin fields out thirty thirty five percent of the time.
Denver is moving bo Nicks constantly Philadelphia when they're really
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well coached moves Jalen Hurts out of the pocket. So
I don't think I mean, I zero to five and bad.
And my concern is he can't get his side of
the ball right. I mean, I'll defend guys forever, but
you got to get your side right. Like Belichick in Carolina,
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the defense is worse than the offense. Aaron Glenn is
he firerable? I mean, I don't know what to do,
but here he is.
Speaker 5 (34:51):
After when you get in games like this, when something
bad happens, like the response isn't you know where we.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
Need to be?
Speaker 5 (34:59):
And again I got look at myself on that and
I got to do something to fix that. And we're
all in this together. But I do know this, man,
It all starts with me.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
I do know that.
Speaker 5 (35:08):
So we gotta fix it. We gotta fix it.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
The other thing is I talk about a lot to
judge a coach A in the rebuild, what is your
side of the ball look like? Awful? Secondly, what happened
to the place you left? The Lions defense is better.
It's better so that there is an infrastructure. If you
go look right now at the New York Jets, look
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at how many people are flourishing that used to be Jets.
Sam Darnald and Todd Bowles met yesterday in the Pacific Northwest,
former Jets. So I mean Adam Gase was bad period.
Todd Bowles was good in a bad organization. So I
mean like Robert Sala is flourishing in San Francisco, Sam
Donald's flourishing, Todd Bowles is flourishing, Davante Adams is getting open.
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So a lot of this is I mean, I think
Sauce Gardner is a better player than he's playing right
now for the Jets. Now, I think he's a guy
that needs liberal officiating because he is a gravvy player.
He's not a burner, he's not Deon Sanders. He's a
grabby guy's long and gravvy, doesn't want to defend the run.
But he's gotten worse. So I think you're looking at
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and again, I don't know what you do. The Jets
have a tendency to hire instead of spending big money.
The Chargers for years couldn't get coach right. When did
they They went and bought in Jim Harbaugh. The Jets
often get like Sala's never been a head coach, and
Adam Gase has never been a head coach and Aaron
Glenn's never been a head coach. They don't want. They
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don't want the ego. They don't want the successful coach. Folks,
if you can hire, think about the new coaches that
are working. Let's think about the new coaches that are working. Harbaugh,
Vrabel and Sean Payton. Andy Reid worked by and large,
Find a guy that's in his coaching prime. That means
he's not in his sixth Try to find somebody in there,
usually forties to fifty eight in their coaching prime, with
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a lot of energy, that has been successful in previous stops,
like Rabel was the Some of these predictions are easy.
Rabel was going to work in New England, okay. Harbaugh
was gonna work and he has with the Chargers. Sean
Payton was going to work in Denver. You know, New
York's a big market. So it's hard because you don't
I mean, it's a loud market, it's a reactionary market,
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and you're giving a guy who's never been a head coach, Like,
what do you think it's gonna look like?
Speaker 2 (37:31):
So Colin, I don't want to go overboard and say,
fire Aaron Glenn. We're not there yet. It's five games,
but you're spot on with the defense trending badly. Let
me ask you, if they keep at the bottom of
the standings and they're gonna have the number one pick,
all of a sudden, you got these good quarterbacks.
Speaker 1 (37:47):
Dante Moore, Carson Deck. I would draft Dante Moore tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
But does does Dante Moore say?
Speaker 1 (37:52):
I don't want to go to Doug That's a great point.
Let's talk about Dante Moore. So if all the players
in college football it's a little early to do mock drafts,
the most hortant position in football is quarterback. Dante Moore
at Oregon looks like a home run guy. I am
dead serious. Dantey Moore's my kid. I might go back
to school. Hold on, so do not go to the
New York Jets.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
So that's where this whole harball of Rabel stuff comes
into play.
Speaker 1 (38:16):
I'm just spitballing names here.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
In the last hour with some Jets friends. I'm gonna
say one name that came up to me. Offensive mind,
good history, but you know not everybody's gonna like the name.
What do you think if the Jets can say they
get the number one pick is Mike McCarthy.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
The kind of guy. He went to Dallas with Dak
they were an eleven window night dealt with Jerry Jones.
He can deal with high maintenance. He won it with
Aaron Rodgers in Green Bays. I would take Mike McCarthy
over a guy who's never been a head coach in
a heartbeat right now. He's not Rabel and he's not
hardwa He did Packers, Cowboys, He's done high pressure, high
iconic franchise coach.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
He's on the market nobody yet Let's see. I mean
Mike McDaniel gets run out.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
I'm not. I'm not running over with men, women and
children to get Mike McCarthy. You know Mike McDaniel. The
other thing, I mean yesterday was an incredible The Baker
Mayfield story is amazing, and I mean Matt Hasselbeck was
talking about this everybody. We all as parents want our
kids to have an easier life than we did, right Like,
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we all want that as parents. It's it's but it's
it's I mean, this is something I would talk about
in therapy, like how do you make your kids know
you know they're supported and they're loved, but you know,
not give them too easy of a life, because Baker
Mayfield is a great example of who succeeds in this life,
and it's people that have overcome crap. And it's probably
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incredibly painful to watch your kids go through those times.
But you know, whether it's suspended at school or getting
cut from the team, every parent wants to have their
kids have this easy life. And I used to tell
when I would go talk to college classes, I'm like,
don't go to Fox or ESPN. Go to a crappy
local market in Midland, Texas and you have to edit
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your own tape and you don't make any money, and
your car runs out of grass and you live in
a part of town that you don't always feel great about.
That's how you build character. And when I watch Baker
Mayfield those Cleveland years and Freddie Kishen and bouncing around
and going to Los Angeles with one day of practice,
there's nothing wrong with having a chip on your shoulder.
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Michael Jordan had it until the last day. But as
long as it's a functional chip on the shoulder right now, Baker,
all those hard times and all those doubters and walking
on in college. He's really smartly using that chip on
the shoulder, but it's not defining him like he's ticked off.
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He wants to get in your face. He wants to
trash talk more than I love. But that's the difference.
Baker came into this league and because Cleveland wouldn't support him,
and he was battling who Hugh Jackson and his ego,
and he was battling John Dorsey and he was just
dealing with a lot of nonsense. You put him in
functional Tampa. Todd Bowles, no ego, lets him run the offense.
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Jason Light great GM. You know the family is not
hovering over the franchise. I've always said Tampa always had players,
but until Brady and Baker, they just couldn't get the
quarterback right. They've always had good players. I covered them
thirty years ago. We always had players. So it's just
it's one of those things where it's a hard message.
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But like all the stuff you deal with in your
teen years in twenty and twenty one, twenty two, twenty three,
if you've got the resilience, it pays off. The bad
years for Baker is why Baker could be the MVP
of the league this season. Power three Next
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listening to Fox Sports Radio. All right, welcome back, hour two.
It is a Monday. We are live in Los Angeles.
Beautiful weather in Chicago was eighty flu In here it
was seventy five, So Chicago weather, you know, it's always better,
but nonetheless it was. We've had some great weather in America.
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We have a long summer, which generally means a harsher wind,
right thing fras on out here. You sure you went
to the Chargers game yesterday, the yet very friendly fans.
Chargers were rolling.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
And your boy Quinton Johnson fumbles in the game.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Totally flipping. No, it's it was amazing some of these
games this weekend. How about I mean, we haven't talked
about UCLA beating Penn State. That's the biggest win for UCLA.
The last time they won a game like that was
Josh Rosen beating A and M. How about like forty
four forty one shootout? That was a wild game.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Man, James Franklin, is he still employed by ben State
and it's going on?
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Defended him for a long time. Here we go, it's
Colin right, Colin wrong in a Monday, and here we
go where Colin was right. I told you the Eagles
may not be solvable. Folks, Saquon Barkley, you're not getting
a yard before he's getting hit. I think Nick Sirianni
is very coordinator dependent. Aj Brown, mister invisible forty three
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total yards. Saquon had six carries all game. Not only
does coaching matter, I've been preaching this, coordinators matter. Look
at the Niners with Robert Sola and a bunch of
young guys and Fred Warner. This is not a player's
issue in Philly. It's a coordinator issue.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Where Colin was raw.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Well, the best football coach in the world is Jim Harball.
Stick with that, but boy, that didn't look like it yesterday.
Ten penalties, that's after last week having fourteen against the Giants. Listen,
they don't have their offensive coordinators. Justin Herbert is in
big trouble. But if Kansas City wins tonight, and I
think they will. The Chiefs, the Broncos, and the Chargers
will all be knotted up at three to two in
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the AFC West. I know they're injury plague, but the
Chargers look directionless as of now. Where Colin was right,
I picked New England to make the playoffs. I said
they would be the double the win total team and
they're three and two and face the Saints, the Titans,
and the Browns coming up. Mike Frable is one of
the smartest coaches in the league, and I think, listen
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the last four starts. Drake May's got six cuddies in
one pick, so, like a lot of young quarterbacks, he's
got to clean some stuff up. But this is what
I thought they would be the Jets. The Dolphins were
circling the drain without a real culture. I knew Vrabel
would get it right very fast. I think he's even
ahead of schedule. Where Colin was wrong, Raiders are one
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and four and I thought they would be a solid
offensive team. And I'm not a huge fan of Geno Smith,
but I didn't think they'd be thirtieth in scoring. Gino's
been awful, The defense didn't have any sacks yesterday, which
is you know that's raiders usually can pressure the quarterback.
Gino Smith's comeback story. It's not going to be Darnold
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or Baker or Daniel Jones. He's not that good. Second
worst point differential in the NFL. I thought with Chip
Pete and Gino, they would be a viable team capable
of beating anybody in their division. And I'm not sure
if they're capable of winning over the next month. Where
Colin was right, Miami Blew was seventeen. Nothing lead to Carolina.
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This goes back the hipster head coach, zero toughness, zero culture,
and I think you lose games late when you don't
know what you are. You can have talent, what are
they And I said Mike Vrabel his schemes are toughness.
This team, I never ever know quite what they are
outside of really fast at wide receiver. So I mean
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think about this. They were out gained on the ground
by Carolina two hundred and thirty nine yards to nineteen.
They are the opposite of the Patriots under Vrabel.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
Where Colin was raw.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Yeah, I got a little over dramatic. I overreacted when
I said the Lions' new coordinators could be has Matt
spill Yeah, I was wrong. Jared Goff has he thrown
an incompletion In the last couple of weeks. He's completed
like seventy five percent of their throws. Listen upstairs. They
got too many good players, best backfield, best offensive line.
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They've won the last four games like a college team
by sixteen points. Johnny Martin is calling a smart game,
and it goes back to something that you have to
believe in. Dan Campbell created the culture and this general
manager in this front office. They do not miss on
a lot of draft picks. They may go in the
trade deadline and get a corner. Keep your eyes on
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the Detroit Lions getting some secondary help at the trade deadline.
Rams and Lions, keep your eye on that.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
I said the Yankees are a good team, but they're
not great because they're so uneven. They have been blown
out twice by Toronto. They have an average bullpen, they
strike out way too much. They're completely home run dependent,
and Aaron Judge and John Carlos Stanton are great players,
but in the postseason you don't get as many bad pitches.
They don't play small ball. The Dodgers have a stack roster,
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but can play small ball and grind out at bats.
This is a good team, but everybody bangs on Aaron Boone.
This is an uneven roster. They've surrendered twenty three runs
in two games. What is a manager supposed to The
Yankees are a good team, but they're too uneven to
be great. Where Colin was raw, Well, my Penn State
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Texas meet for the National championship prediction, I'm gonna go
with not gonna happen. Ucla played a nearly flawless first
three quarters and drew Aller and arch Manning that were
at very high profile quarterbacks. Arch is really struggling and
drew Aller. Not a lot of juice, Nico Iamaliava. Let's
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give him credit. We were all beating up on that kid.
UCLA's coaches, Jerry Neuheisel, leaned into his athletic ability. So
the Texas offense and the Penn State defense we thought
could be great or a mess. Where Colin was right.
Where Colin was wrong on a Monday, Well, our buddy
Matt Hasselbeck, how about that the halftime speech up in Seattle.
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He's still up in the Pacific Northwest. So the Seahawks
invited their fifty greatest players ever. Matt had no idea
it would be the greatest NFL game. Maybe in two years.
Brady and Manning met seventeen times, they never combined for
thirty five points each. I watched that game yesterday. I
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was saying this, Matt, first impressions are unfair. If you
took out Sam and New York and Baker in Cleveland
and you just watched them for the first time, you
would think you are watching top five quarterbacks in the league.
I was I going to tell you right now, I'm
not sure if Baker's not the MVP, what was your
in person your impression having quarterbacks in this league for
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a long time of what you watched yesterday live.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
Well, I think those experiences that both of those quarterbacks
had early in their careers have hardened them and given
them the grit and the determination and that like, I
don't give a rip factor that they have in these games.
Big throws, downfield, hostile environment, two minute drives, you know,
all that kind of stuff. I think Baker his grit.
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This team is taking on his personality and to do
it without Mike Evans without your starting running back leaning
on a rookie wide receiver the way he did incredibly impressive.
But I don't think Baker Mayfield would be who he
is today had he not gone through the valleys and
the disappointments that he went through early in his career.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Yeah, you know, there's a difference between playing with a
chip on your shoulder and it disrupts your play, you're reckless,
and then playing with a chip on your shoulder under
control and you get paid. You got some money, you're
happily married, you have good teammates. You can still have
that chip on your shoulder. It's like Michael Jordan always
had the chip, but he didn't have to score sixty.
He could pass to Steve Kerb but he's still had
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a chip. And Sam's interesting because Sam had a reckless
and accuracy issue. I never I didn't know if you
could clean that up. I watched Sam Darnold, and I
see somebody who's coachable and has put the time in.
Did you ever think, I mean, Baker Olwys to a ball.
Did you ever think Donald would be this accurate, this
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consistently as a player.
Speaker 5 (09:05):
That was never my my concern was Sam Donald.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
My concern was Sam Donald coming out of college is
his eyes were never really in the right place.
Speaker 5 (09:12):
But that's a young player. I mean, he was very young.
Speaker 4 (09:15):
He was one of the youngest guys in his class.
I think when he came, when he was in the
league for like two or three years, he was younger
than some of the quarterbacks coming out in the draft
after him. Yeah, And so like those are fixable things.
I think the athleticism has always been there. That's not
the that's not the factor. It's these other things. You know,
whether it's focused, Like you talk about that intensity with Baker.
(09:35):
Baker has this great ability of like almost getting into
it with a d lineman, like in their face they're
Jawn and then like the forty second clock starts, and
then by second twenty five on the clock, he flips
the switch and he's like a golfer approaching his next
sand weed shot. He's got this great focus right after
you know, John and competing and all that kind of stuff,
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And that's sometimes hard, a hard thing to balance. And
I think you know, a guy like Sam Darnold, he's
so good, so talented, having an incredible year, but just
having that ability to maybe like slow things down in
the biggest moments. That's where he'll take his game to
the very, very next level.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
So I watched Philadelphia and my take is, you can
watch Robert solo what he has done to the Niners
defense with Fred Warner. They lose Bosa, they lose Hafunga,
they lose Greenlaw. Defense is great, and you're like, wow,
how Robert sala is that Not only do coaches matter,
coordinators matter, And I think Sirianni's always been coordinator dependent.
(10:35):
That's not a criticism, it's a reality. Most guys, most
head coaches aren't Shanahan with schemes. They're not. And I
watched Philadelphia. What really bothered me forty five yards rushing.
I mean they only had a handful of carries in
the second half. I'll ask you, what is Philadelphia's offensive
identity today? I have no That's.
Speaker 5 (10:54):
Yeah, that's the thing. They know what it is and
they got to stick to it.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
They got to stay off Twitter, stay off talk radio,
you know those kinds of things.
Speaker 5 (11:00):
I think Saquon had like six carries. I think as
a team they.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
Maybe had eleven, and really like Sean Payton and the
Broncos don't deserve a lot of credit here also, But
I just think that Philly needs to just be proud
of who they are. Like I think, you know, sometimes
you're trying to feed disgruntled players just a little bit,
trying to keep everybody happy. Listen, when you have success
and you win, there's enough credit to go around.
Speaker 5 (11:22):
There's enough football to go around.
Speaker 4 (11:23):
I think Saquon I appreciate how they' getting involved in
the passing game, but you're giving the defense too much
credit if you just say, oh, they're going to quote
unquote stack the box against Saquon.
Speaker 5 (11:34):
Make them prove that they can stop the run. That
would be my advice to Philly.
Speaker 4 (11:37):
Make every team you play prove that they are as
physical as they are lining up to be with guys
in the box. And they're talented. Listen, they're talented in
the passing game. I just don't think you need to
force it. If you're a great receiver and you're a
great tight end, the ball will find you. Just stick
to who you are. Philly, you're the best team in
football last year for a reason. Don't forget it, and
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don't buy into the hype on the outside noise.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
There are moments in any young quarterback's life, in any
young team's life, that you could look back on your
career Matt and go, Okay. I remember we were playing
the Lions. We trailed in the fourth. I came back
and won it. I looked at that win for Drake May.
He may not even remember it in ten years. But
I didn't think it would happen this quick. I thought
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they'd make the playoffs, and I thought he'd be good.
But you watched the Pittsburgh game and you're like, he's
not there yet, the offense is not there. I thought
that win was not about Buffalo, Buffalo fume of the ball.
I thought it was about Drake May and Mike Rabel, like, okay,
this is plan a flag. Buffalo doesn't lose at home.
I wonder if they're ahead of their schedule. What was
(12:44):
your thoughts, Yeah, they're ahead of their schedule. I think
an X factor for me, though, was Stefon Diggs. Stefon
Diggs has come in.
Speaker 4 (12:50):
The New England media had been tough on him, like
where his targets, where's his yards? He doesn't show up,
He's getting out played by other receivers. They came in there,
and I felt like there was an intensity to Stefan Diggs.
Josh McDaniels was trying to get him the ball. Drake
May was trying to get him the ball on time
or scrambling. It was almost like we're doing this for
ggsy kind of a deal, and like there's something really
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special when you do that for a teammate that you respect,
and especially when the media has been beaten up on him,
and so like, I just thought, listen for the Patriots.
No other team in the NFL feels this way, but
I feel like for the Patriots, they're like, man, could
we play Buffalo all the time, because like that's the
intensity they need from the passing game, that really is.
Speaker 5 (13:30):
And they drafted Drake May for a reason.
Speaker 4 (13:32):
They wanted their own version of Josh Allen and like
that doesn't really exist, but they saw something with the
third pick overall in that draft and they said, you
know what, we think that this guy could be that.
Speaker 5 (13:44):
You know, they tried.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
The Mac Jones thing and they were like, yeah, you're good,
but you're not Josh Allen. We're looking for Josh Allen
and we'll take the risk for the upside. And I
think Drake May has everybody in New England fired up.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
Yeah, so I had real questions about Brian Schottenheimer. But
it's interesting when Zeke left, Zach Martin left, Tyron Smith left,
Des Bryant left, Amari Cooper left. There's always been this
thing like, oh boy who, and yet Dak doesn't have
(14:17):
any of them right now, doesn't have Micah, doesn't even
have CD LAMB. And I know it's the Jets. I
it's the best I've ever seen him play. And I
wonder I said this earlier. It's almost like the Darnald
Baker Dak thing that you get ten thousand hours and
you've got your money and you're securing yourself and the
game slows down. But I mean, I've never seen Dak
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play like this. I think he's carrying an average roster.
I mean they don't have a number one receiver. I'm
not sure they have a two. I don't think they
have a dominant running back. I think the on line
is missing starters. Have you ever seen Dak this good?
Explain it to me.
Speaker 5 (14:55):
Well, I don't overreact.
Speaker 4 (14:57):
I mean he had you know, two goal line touchdown
passes inside the also and it was the Jets, and
when your defense is as bad as theirs is, sometimes
you know your passing numbers feel a little bit better. However,
this is absolutely the best that I've seen Dak Prescott look,
the best I've seen him play, and I think for me,
I think this is the most I've seen him as
(15:17):
a leader on the team, Like literally up and down
the sideline the whole game. The confidence in lockstep with
the play caller, Like this is exactly what the Cowboys.
Speaker 5 (15:27):
Have been paying for.
Speaker 4 (15:29):
He is going to be the guy that is going
to have to put the team on his back later
in the season when the schedule gets tougher, when the
games mean more. So I am excited about that, the
MVP chance and all that kind of stuff. I think
we're getting way, way, way ahead of ourselves. But from
the first day of the season this year, I thought
(15:49):
Dak looked different physically, and I think it's showing up
and how he plays.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
I want to end with this because it's a weird trend.
I have this theory, Matt. Are you ready for my
theory on this? Here's my thing. Between TikTok and Instagram,
everything's performative. I mean, you can't even go to dinner.
People at restaurants are taking pictures of food. You can't
go to a nice vacation. It's a thousand pictures. And
there's this need to be cool, right like, especially for
(16:17):
people in their twenties. And I think it's bleeding into
sports where this constant need to be performative. And we
had another running back. This is the third player to
do this, the second and two weeks dropped the ball
at the goal line. And my take is he knows
who the goal line is. This is a young player
who's finally getting to play. It's performative. This is what
is happening in society. You can't go to a restaurant.
(16:38):
People are taking pictures of food. How do they look?
I mean this ad Mitchell, the kid for the Jets.
That's my takeaway because I don't even know what I
would say. I said earlier, football so hard, even at practice.
It's so disrespectful to your teammates. To get a seventy
yard run as a bad team in the NFL is
unheard of. What would you are you saying? What do
(17:01):
you make of this weird trend?
Speaker 4 (17:04):
It is weird, but listen, I don't think fundamentals get
coached nearly as much as they did thirty forty fifty
years ago.
Speaker 5 (17:10):
Like, we just don't do it, you.
Speaker 4 (17:11):
Know, you just kind of you so about scheme and
ex's and o's. We don't coach coach fundamentals. You know,
when I got to when I got into the NFL,
one of the things I noticed is that, you know,
that staff was coming from the forty nine ers with
Jerry Rice and those guys, and the rule there was
you had to finish until the camera was off of you.
So it was it wasn't even just played through the whistle.
You had to finish until the camera.
Speaker 5 (17:30):
Was off of you.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
That's not what it was like at the end of
my career, not at all. However, at the end of
my career, at least at the end of my career
in Seattle, Pete Carroll was the head coach.
Speaker 5 (17:38):
He was great.
Speaker 4 (17:38):
He said, hey, guys, I want you to practice your
end zone celebrations and tell a friend okay, and make
sure that the friend approves that it's like a cool
enough end zone celebration. But also what he was doing
is was he was sort of putting it through a
filter of make sure it's legal. We don't want a
fifteen yard penalty because you punt the ball into the
stands or you don't get on the goalpost all of
(18:00):
a sudden, Oh, I didn't know that was a penalty.
And so like it was creative by Pete Carroll to
kind of like coach these little I don't know, like
details of fundamentals and the rules without being like.
Speaker 5 (18:11):
Hey, finished through the goal line.
Speaker 4 (18:13):
I mean, I saw Charles Woodson do a thing on
the Fox pregame show where he was like, finish to
the goal line.
Speaker 5 (18:16):
It's not like we're not saying it, You're not hearing it.
Speaker 4 (18:19):
I just think with this generation, like you're saying you
got to get more creative, much like Pete Carroll did.
Speaker 5 (18:24):
I thought he did a great job with it.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
How was the halftime speech in front of seventy thousand people?
Were you a little bit nervous?
Speaker 4 (18:29):
A little I don't know if I was nervous, But
I had a plan in my head. I was going
to invite all the top fifty players up onto the
stage with me, kind of like Mike Ruzione style, and
lead him in a chant. And I'm getting the rap
and I'm getting the rap and there's one set of
stairs and some of the guys like Earl Thomas and
Marshaun Lynch Camp Chancellor, they got no problem with stairs.
Some of the older guys that played with Chuck Knox,
(18:51):
I wasn't sure their.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
Knees could do the stairs or no stairs.
Speaker 5 (18:54):
It was a blast though.
Speaker 4 (18:55):
That's a great it's a great stadium, a great fan base,
my opinion, the best. We just need the Seahawks to
start playing better at home. I can't explain that part
that needs to get fixed.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Yeah, well they're losing the good team San Francisco and Tampa.
That was an old timer. It's great seeing you and
happy for you. Thanks man, Look at the kid.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
Uh oh, you know you didn't have a ton.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Of hair then either.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
No, I didn't.
Speaker 4 (19:18):
I was back I was getting carted back then in Seattle. Oh,
thanks for having me. Let's see Matt Hasselbeck. That was
a good football game. That was just an insane football game, Jamak.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
He was at a game. I sat home on the
couch and it was not a good slate yesterday. Well,
when you play two Monday night games and then you
have the Rams Niners plan on Thursday, those if you
would have had the Rams Niners plan in the late
game with the Bucks in Seattle and then into New
England Buffalo. It would have been great. But the more
games you take away from Sunday you get a pretty bleak.
(19:50):
I mean, the Bears didn't play and they've become a
fascinating team. Oh well, I'm a man of the people.
What can I say. I like to go out the games,
be among you know, the masses.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
Yes now, I will say no Lamari yesterday, Josh Allen
played at night, and Patrick Mahomes is tonight. Yeah, those
are pretty much the three core guys. Burrows obviously hurt
when you take away the four best quarterbacks.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
I'll tay this o J Mack. It's pretty clear. Let's
be fair. Drake make him play.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Drake make it play. Also, Justin Herbert does not have
any protection.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
No, no, I'm just talking young guys. All I care
about young quarterback Jayden Daniels. You saw yesterday.
Speaker 5 (20:21):
He's a bat, he's good.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Bon Knicks can play, Mike may him play. So we
have three hits from that class. We're waiting on Caleb,
who's clearly gotten better with a legit coach, and Penix
has been hot and cold. But you and I like
football when quarterback plays good. So that's my take is
root for Baker Mayfield and Sam to be reborn, root
for bon Nicks and Drake. I mean, Danzel Jones is
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maybe the best story in the league right now. Honestly,
you know who you don't want to watch the Jets,
So I root. People think, oh, you don't eat Baker.
I would vote Hi MVP today.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
To be clear, Justin Fields has not been awful. He's
I think seven touchdowns, zero pick.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Little little sat patting.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
It's the fumbles. They lead the league in miss tackles.
Like things are just yeah, not good.
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Speaker 1 (21:54):
Yeah. Oh, we're back asleep at the wheel. No, I'm
just looking at the yesterday in the Giants game. I
wondered if it had ever happened. Yesterday in the New
York Giants game, the Giants had a turnover on five
straight possessions. Never happened before. And it's a mighty Saints defense, Yankees, Giants, Jets,
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and then the Bills lose dumpster fire. By the way,
Brandon Staley is the defensive coordinator for the Saints. He's
done something. They've been competitive, right. We called this on Friday. No,
you called it. I wouldn't touch that. Okay, I'll take
j Mack read the news.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
This is the herd Line news.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
All right. We're starting positive this hour. And that's the
Detroit Lions who are cooking right now.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
Cooker. They lost to the Packers in the opener. They've
been dominant ever since.
Speaker 7 (22:53):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
And the duo, the dynamic duo of David Montgomery and
Jamier Gibbs. These guys are good Man. Montgomery scored Gibs
Gordon Montgomery threw one. Is the fourteenth game both of
them the scored a touchdown.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
When when's the last time we had a running back
duo this good. I'm surprised.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
Like Saquon is a one man show, a lot of
these teams are one man shows.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
Get a second running back. This is smart football. Neither
of them wear down anyways.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Is the first time that anybody has done this since
Emmett and Darryl Johnston with the Cowboys. That's how dominant
Montgomery and Gidson been. Colin Lyon looks.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
Like these teams they go and get a running back
and then they wear him out. And the truth is,
I mean I've said this about the Niners before, like
they should be drafting running backs. You want to get
McCaffrey about thirteen to fourteen touches, not at twenty five. Now, Yeah,
you just can't do it. I mean, we know his
career and by the way, you can use him as
a decoy. I mean, again, I am four to McCaffrey
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touching it, but I want him touching it in the
red zone. I want him touching it on third and
fourth down. There's no need for second down carries for
Christian McCaffrey. So I just think Detroit they're just so smart.
This should be the trend to me is that you
have two running backs. I think the Rams wanting it,
but Blake Koram hasn't hit. They had Kyron Williams and
he's a smaller back and they thought, okay, we'll have
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another back in Korum just hasn't work.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Saquan needs a wingman. He just looks like the same guy.
I'll say this Montgomery. I'm fairly certain this is like
his third deep. Remember he was like a touchdown guy elsewhere,
like Gibbs, by the way, has been sick Jack.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
Another team is Buffalo. James Cook is great. Let's get
James Cook about six to seven fewer touches a game.
Chargers tried it with Nause Harrison Hampton. Now they're both hurt.
But I think a trend in the NFL as everybody
bangs on running backs. It's the last position in football
you can tackle from any angle and any spot on
the field. They're unprotected, so they come flying through that
(24:47):
line safeties. Linebackers can go with their knees, can go
with their shoulders, their heads and My take is dual
running backs should be the trend going things.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
Je's one of this with Grease Hall and Braylen Allen
and Alan's hurt again.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
All is a fumble machine. By the way.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Lions Chiefs next week Sunday Night. But age, let me
get there's no line yet because Che's played a night.
Where's it at at Kansas City? I think I'd take
Detroit spicy.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
You're giving me a dominant run game against no run
game so I can keep Mahomes off the field.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
Yeah, and Mahomes on a short week because they played
to night aga.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
I like Detroit there. I bet you. The line is
probably it's gonna be Lions minus two and a half.
I doubt the Chiefs are gonna be that big of
a dog at home, all right. I think I like
the Lions match up well with them.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
Lions win that, and I think they've got to be
a top three team in.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
The league, right. I think there'll beat some bad teams.
Colin Let's I'm not you and I agree there are bad,
truly bad teams in this league. Yeah, there are no
great teams. There are great The Detroit Lions offense is great. Yeah,
I mean play calling o line, running back room tight
ends amor on Saint Brown. The Chiefs defense has it,
(25:55):
the Rams defense, they have their moments. They look great,
but there are no great teams. Distance. He's tough.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
Let's move on to oh Jackson Dart. I was told
last week he's something. They've got something, Colin. I mean,
we look at this highlight. He's just running oops. I
mean like you could play the yack Andy sax music.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
He's just he was not good.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
I tried to tell you guys about this. Now I'll
give dark credit afterward. He totally owned his garbage performance.
Here he is.
Speaker 8 (26:22):
I told as many guys I can in the locker room,
this one's on me, and I'm gonna get better. And
you know, I expect myself to play better in these
games and to win them.
Speaker 5 (26:31):
I'm the leader of the offense, so.
Speaker 8 (26:34):
I think that, you know, anytime that those things happen,
you know, it kind of falls back on, you know,
the leaders, and I take that responsibility.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
He owned it. He was bad. Respect Where do you
get those glasses? Jorganza? Come on, he's a good looking kid.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
He's a handsome guy. He's got you know, he's copy
of my hairstyle. At least got the open shirt. The
necklace a little bit too much. I want my guys
buttoned up. I like me Jalen Hurts with briefcase. You
like the Dap Shah put the just kidding around. Jackson
Dart seems like a cool guy. Seems like he's got
the locker room.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
People like him. The media like owned his stuff. I
have no problem with it. I like young guys that
own their stuff.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
As the heads up rookie quarterback Thursday Night Football, I
saw that against the Eagles.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
A brutal spot and Philly's not gonna be happy.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
With that loss.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
That's a rough spot. What's the line on that? A billion?
I think as eight at least a touchdown. I think
Eagles smash spot.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Final story, Colin, we got to give your boys Sean
Peyton some problems. Sean Payton passed Bill Parcells for sixteenth
on the all time wins list with one hundred and
seventy threes, now tied with John Harbaugh John.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
Harbaugh for third most among activists. Check that fourth quarter
coaching Denver. I'm telling you right now, Denver's got the
most underrated roster in the league. You know, everybody got
Peyton got rid of everybody, but you know who he
didn't get rid of, the general manager. This is a
good roster. They have drafted well. Harvey can play, Mims
can play. They've gone on Sutton, big spot. He looked big,
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he d well. Sutton had a first half drop. I
gotta move Denver up. I think Denver's for real. I
the second half of that game, There's no question second
half of that game, who the better coach, better quarterback,
better team was. Denver was absolutely the better tea You
saying Sean Payton's a better coach than Nick Sirianni, I
think Peyton's great. Peyton rubs some people the wrong way.
(28:27):
But when you watch that game, and again, bo Nicks
has twenty two stars, you're watching that game, man, they
are impossible to predict. That emotion sets different people. They
are hard, I mean, and they're smart. They roll the
pocket out with bon Nicks all the time. They I
don't think people quite understand this. Bonnicks is one of
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the better athletes at quarterback in the league. Dude can
move like fast.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
You've been on this so you like the Broncos. Bonnick's
rookie quarterback or contract. You like the Colts right now,
Daniel Jones not a Max Steel knowing like New England rookie,
also Sam Darnold, Baker Mayfield. They're not making fifty sixty
million a year.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
That's right, that's how you look. You look at the
best rosters in the NFL right now. They're all the
best teams for Denver, I think the Colt roster. If
you look at Seattle's roster, Tampa, why because you're not
paying the quarterback sixty large. Yeah, I mean and Buffalo.
We've been saying this now for multiple weeks. That defense
for Buffalo in the back end, they got a lot
of holes, a lot of holes.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
Josh of Fortune, let's put on the screen most wins
among active coaches, Andy Reid, by far is number one,
followed by Tomlin, Harbaugh and company.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
Now we can't get her on the screen. Technical differ, Yeah, okay, yeah,
but you're right, they're all they're all and they're all
different styles. Yeah, I mean, Andy Reid's been around for
a while. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:46):
J Mack with the news, Well that's the news, and
thanks for stopping by the herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
The uh, I just I can't get over I really
am struggling how to figure out why players are dropping
the ball, And the only thing I can come up
with is we just live in a more performative society
where young people are constantly on camera. I mean, they're
people like not one or two. There's dozens of young
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people who have like taken a picture of themselves on
a cliff and died. Yeah, ye like like that.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
That's not like one or two, Like it happens regularly.
Here's the worst part, Colin. After the happen to ad
Mitchell and the Colts, don't you think every team.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
In the league.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
The coach went to the team was like, guys, don't
freaking do this? Isn't that normal coaching? Like, hey, everybody
saw the Colts blue their game because of that. I
don't want to see any of that crap. It seems
like that's a.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
Logical move by the coach. How did again and not
do that? It's just remarkable. You have to be so
selfish to me that, you know, how hard are you?
And the brotherhood practice every day? Like I mean, football
is one of those sports where you practice a time
and you don't play very much. You know, in baseball,
there's a game every night hockey and NBA eighty two games.
(31:05):
In football, you have seven times to practice is for
the games now. So when you get to the games, bro,
we're just asking you for fifty offensive play a game.
Plays a game, Be an adult, be a grown up,
be a teammate, be a decent person.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
De Mercado third string running back right Ben said, Finley
gets a chance to play, and Mitchell's like, I think
a third string receiver. It was only playing because Pierce
was out, So we're not talking about start. You're not
seeing cd Lamb do this crap right, You're not seeing
Justin Jefferson.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
But you would think the backup players, knowing this is
a rare opportunity due to injury to play, would be
more aware of Man, I got to be coachable. I
got to be a great teammate because I'm not as
talented as cdee Lamb. I'm not as talented as James Connor.
So I'm going to be the best teammate I can be.
It's one thing if a star does something, you're like, well,
(31:53):
he does deliver thirteen touchdowns a year and nineteen yards
of catch. By the way, Harrison had another big moment.
Marvin Harris. Oh is that catch?
Speaker 7 (32:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (32:01):
That was nice?
Speaker 1 (32:02):
That was nice crazy.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
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Speaker 2 (32:14):
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or Matthew Stafford and the Rams battle the Ravens, or other.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
Regional action Seahawks Jags is good. Check local listings for
the game in your area. Sunday on Fox. You were
five and one, I was three and two. Jags Tonight
money line. I would it's not to me at three.
I would take Kansas City at three and a half.
But I don't trust the Jags in a big spot.
You can't just go into Jacksonville and try to get
a W. It's not that easy anymore. Colin scary. So
(32:48):
my number one rule with new head coaches, college or pro.
I don't expect you to win immediately, but I'm gonna
watch your side of the ball. We Alway said about Lincoln.
USC's offense has been good, so don't don't blame that.
Brandon Staley the defense, he's a defensive guy. The defense
got bad with the Chargers. So Aaron Glenn's a defensive guy,
(33:10):
a secondary guy goes to the Jets. The secondary sauce
Gardner is worse than it was last year. They're the
second worst tackling team in the league. He's a defensive coach. Yes,
they don't have a single takeaway all season. First time
in NFL history a team's gone five weeks with no takeaways.
How is that possible? What did they play Brady five times?
(33:34):
How is that possible? No takeaways? Can't tackle, no pressures
thirtieth in pressures, they do nothing well. So his side
of the ball is atrocious. Actually, justin Field's stats are
pretty good, but they're dropping him in five and seven
step drops way too much. Justin Field should play like
bow Nicks and Denver like move They move bow Knicks
(33:56):
because bow Nicks is not six to five. They move
him out of the pocket a lot. They create passing lanes.
Justin Field should be moving around. He's not a drop
back behind a bad pass pro line quarterback. It's like,
figure it out. This is the easy stuff in this league.
Role justin fields out thirty thirty five percent of the time.
Denver is moving bo Nicks constantly Philadelphia when they're really
(34:21):
well coached moves Jalen Hurts out of the pocket. So
I don't think I mean, I zero to five and bad.
And my concern is he can't get his side of
the ball right. I mean, I'll defend guys forever, but
you got to get your side right. Like Belichick in Carolina,
(34:43):
the defense is worse than the offense. Aaron Glenn is
he firerable? I mean, I don't know what to do,
but here he is.
Speaker 5 (34:51):
After when you get in games like this, when something
bad happens, like the response isn't you know where we.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
Need to be?
Speaker 5 (34:59):
And again I got look at myself on that and
I got to do something to fix that. And we're
all in this together. But I do know this, man,
It all starts with me.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
I do know that.
Speaker 5 (35:08):
So we gotta fix it. We gotta fix it.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
The other thing is I talk about a lot to
judge a coach A in the rebuild, what is your
side of the ball look like? Awful? Secondly, what happened
to the place you left? The Lions defense is better.
It's better so that there is an infrastructure. If you
go look right now at the New York Jets, look
(35:34):
at how many people are flourishing that used to be Jets.
Sam Darnald and Todd Bowles met yesterday in the Pacific Northwest,
former Jets. So I mean Adam Gase was bad period.
Todd Bowles was good in a bad organization. So I
mean like Robert Sala is flourishing in San Francisco, Sam
Donald's flourishing, Todd Bowles is flourishing, Davante Adams is getting open.
(35:57):
So a lot of this is I mean, I think
Sauce Gardner is a better player than he's playing right
now for the Jets. Now, I think he's a guy
that needs liberal officiating because he is a gravvy player.
He's not a burner, he's not Deon Sanders. He's a
grabby guy's long and gravvy, doesn't want to defend the run.
But he's gotten worse. So I think you're looking at
(36:20):
and again, I don't know what you do. The Jets
have a tendency to hire instead of spending big money.
The Chargers for years couldn't get coach right. When did
they They went and bought in Jim Harbaugh. The Jets
often get like Sala's never been a head coach, and
Adam Gase has never been a head coach and Aaron
Glenn's never been a head coach. They don't want. They
(36:42):
don't want the ego. They don't want the successful coach. Folks,
if you can hire, think about the new coaches that
are working. Let's think about the new coaches that are working. Harbaugh,
Vrabel and Sean Payton. Andy Reid worked by and large,
Find a guy that's in his coaching prime. That means
he's not in his sixth Try to find somebody in there,
usually forties to fifty eight in their coaching prime, with
(37:06):
a lot of energy, that has been successful in previous stops,
like Rabel was the Some of these predictions are easy.
Rabel was going to work in New England, okay. Harbaugh
was gonna work and he has with the Chargers. Sean
Payton was going to work in Denver. You know, New
York's a big market. So it's hard because you don't
I mean, it's a loud market, it's a reactionary market,
(37:27):
and you're giving a guy who's never been a head coach, Like,
what do you think it's gonna look like?
Speaker 2 (37:31):
So Colin, I don't want to go overboard and say,
fire Aaron Glenn. We're not there yet. It's five games,
but you're spot on with the defense trending badly. Let
me ask you, if they keep at the bottom of
the standings and they're gonna have the number one pick,
all of a sudden, you got these good quarterbacks.
Speaker 1 (37:47):
Dante Moore, Carson Deck. I would draft Dante Moore tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
But does does Dante Moore say?
Speaker 1 (37:52):
I don't want to go to Doug That's a great point.
Let's talk about Dante Moore. So if all the players
in college football it's a little early to do mock drafts,
the most hortant position in football is quarterback. Dante Moore
at Oregon looks like a home run guy. I am
dead serious. Dantey Moore's my kid. I might go back
to school. Hold on, so do not go to the
New York Jets.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
So that's where this whole harball of Rabel stuff comes
into play.
Speaker 1 (38:16):
I'm just spitballing names here.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
In the last hour with some Jets friends. I'm gonna
say one name that came up to me. Offensive mind,
good history, but you know not everybody's gonna like the name.
What do you think if the Jets can say they
get the number one pick is Mike McCarthy.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
The kind of guy. He went to Dallas with Dak
they were an eleven window night dealt with Jerry Jones.
He can deal with high maintenance. He won it with
Aaron Rodgers in Green Bays. I would take Mike McCarthy
over a guy who's never been a head coach in
a heartbeat right now. He's not Rabel and he's not
hardwa He did Packers, Cowboys, He's done high pressure, high
iconic franchise coach.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
He's on the market nobody yet Let's see. I mean
Mike McDaniel gets run out.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
I'm not. I'm not running over with men, women and
children to get Mike McCarthy. You know Mike McDaniel. The
other thing, I mean yesterday was an incredible The Baker
Mayfield story is amazing, and I mean Matt Hasselbeck was
talking about this everybody. We all as parents want our
kids to have an easier life than we did, right Like,
(39:14):
we all want that as parents. It's it's but it's
it's I mean, this is something I would talk about
in therapy, like how do you make your kids know
you know they're supported and they're loved, but you know,
not give them too easy of a life, because Baker
Mayfield is a great example of who succeeds in this life,
and it's people that have overcome crap. And it's probably
(39:35):
incredibly painful to watch your kids go through those times.
But you know, whether it's suspended at school or getting
cut from the team, every parent wants to have their
kids have this easy life. And I used to tell
when I would go talk to college classes, I'm like,
don't go to Fox or ESPN. Go to a crappy
local market in Midland, Texas and you have to edit
(39:56):
your own tape and you don't make any money, and
your car runs out of grass and you live in
a part of town that you don't always feel great about.
That's how you build character. And when I watch Baker
Mayfield those Cleveland years and Freddie Kishen and bouncing around
and going to Los Angeles with one day of practice,
there's nothing wrong with having a chip on your shoulder.
(40:16):
Michael Jordan had it until the last day. But as
long as it's a functional chip on the shoulder right now, Baker,
all those hard times and all those doubters and walking
on in college. He's really smartly using that chip on
the shoulder, but it's not defining him like he's ticked off.
(40:37):
He wants to get in your face. He wants to
trash talk more than I love. But that's the difference.
Baker came into this league and because Cleveland wouldn't support him,
and he was battling who Hugh Jackson and his ego,
and he was battling John Dorsey and he was just
dealing with a lot of nonsense. You put him in
functional Tampa. Todd Bowles, no ego, lets him run the offense.
(41:00):
Jason Light great GM. You know the family is not
hovering over the franchise. I've always said Tampa always had players,
but until Brady and Baker, they just couldn't get the
quarterback right. They've always had good players. I covered them
thirty years ago. We always had players. So it's just
it's one of those things where it's a hard message.
(41:21):
But like all the stuff you deal with in your
teen years in twenty and twenty one, twenty two, twenty three,
if you've got the resilience, it pays off. The bad
years for Baker is why Baker could be the MVP
of the league this season. Power three Next
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