October 7, 2025 • 41 mins
Colin reveals his latest Herd Hierarchy, ranking the Top 10 NFL teams heading into Week 6, and makes a bold case for the Detroit Lions as the best team in the league right now.
Plus, special guest Nick Wright from First Things First joins the show to passionately defend Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs, while also proclaiming Dak Prescott as an MVP leader.
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
Here we go. It's our two. We are firing on
all cylinder. It is great to be here today. It
is a Tuesday, a rod last hour. Yanks season on
the brink. Tonight, Dodgers up to nothing. Milwaukee's a machine,
probably gonna get a Brewer's Dodgers NLCS. That's interesting. I'll
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take that. Jmac. In the first hour, I stated that
Jacksonville will not, despite a glossy four and one record,
make the Herd hierarchy. I have them at eleven out
of respect for Trevor Lawrence. They are ridiculous and were
outplayed and out gained, and I don't think the team
that wins the game is always the best team. So
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I just said that I can respect somebody and you
can win a game, but Kansas City was a better
team last night, and with that, I'm gonna move into
my herd hierarchy, which for the record, is one of
my best ever. Here we go.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Heard hierarchy, im go. The top ten NFL teams according
to College number.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Ten most underrated team in the league. I've been on
it for a month, as the colt should have beaten
the Rams lead the NFL in point differential few as
Sacks surrendered most efficient scoring offense. I mean, they barely
had the ball against the Raiders and they drop a
forty burger. Their offensive line slowed down the Rams defensive front.
They've got a ceiling. It's Daniel Jones. They've got a ceiling.
But they're gonna end up hosting a playoff game and
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they're going again somebody like Kansas City or Denver. And
I'm telling you right now, you don't want to play
this team. Jonathan Tator, behind that old line, behind that
play calling, behind Warren and Pittman, and this is a
good team. This is a good roster Colts at ten,
number nine. Here's what worries me about the Rams. They
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are very Puka Nakua reliant on offense. And the problem
is both they're running backs Blake Krum and Kyron Williams
have ball security issues and McVeigh didn't trust them, so
that's not going away. They have got to develop tight
end and DeVante Adams fast. Yes, their offense leads the
NFL in yards for play at six point four. They're
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a very good team, but I gotta watch them the
next two weeks they had. They had the Niners game
and blew it and the Colts out played in Rams
at nine. Number eight, I think Kyle Shanahan is having
his best year as a coach. I mean, they don't
have Purty You, Jennings, Nick Bosa. They're three and zero
in the road. Mac Jones looks like a pro bowler.
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This is great coaching. Now, they're the only team averaging
forty yard forty passes a game. Now think about that
with Mac Jones. There's no substitute teacher here. They're asking
Mac to throw it forty times a game. Christian McCaffrey
touching it more than I want him to cross your
fingers on his help. But coaching matters, and Shanahan could
be coach of the Year right now. He's coaching his
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butt off. Number seven Bills don't look right. They just
defensively can't stop the run. I don't worry about the offense.
I don't, but they just don't have that force, that
jet fuel they've had in recent years. They can't stop
the run. And I just when I watch him against
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New England, I'm like, boy, New England closed the gap
kind of quickly, didn't they. I thought New England was
going to get there in about it another three or
four games against the Bills. So I have him at seven.
Don't worry about green Bay? Can we stop with a
Jordan Love criticism? Eight touchdowns, one pick in one hundred
and thirteen passer rating. They're a young team that can't
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figure out a way to close out inferior teams. Twice
Seattle's the second youngest team. Seattle's thrown games away against
the Niners and Buccaneers. Young teams struggle in close games
until they figure out how to win. Mike is having
a year. The schedule, Get Carolina is coming up, the Bengals, Arizona.
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They're gonna go on a heater. They are just fine.
Green Bay at six, number five, Listen the Chiefs. They're
good better team. Last night seven point six yards of
play a team that had averaged seven point five yards
of play, had won thirty three straight games. Mahomes threw
a pick six because he did not see Devin Lloyd.
He didn't see him. Mahomes is great, unbelievable. Keep your
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eye when Rashi Rice comes back. Brishard Smith, the young
player out of Miami, Worthy Kelsey. This wide receiving corps
is going to get really good, really fast. They had
a bad pick six. This team is good situationally, they're outstanding.
They're great when they get down to the red zone.
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I don't buy it. If you're selling stock on Kansas City,
I am buying all of it today. Number four Philadelphia, Listen.
You can't be twenty nineteen yards per play and be
a top two or three team. I don't care about
their roster. They've got an offensive coordinator issue now. Once
they get into the red zone because of the tush push,
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it's pretty fearsome. And they don't you know. I mean,
Jalen Hurts most pass attempts by any quarterback without a pick.
He doesn't make a lot of mistakes, but they are
struggling to get their best players the ball. That is
a coaching issue. AJ Brown needs thirteen targets. Barkley needs
thirteen to fifteen carries. You had six this weekend a
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Philly at four, number three Denver two combined losses four points.
Denver's roster's good. We all know the good rosters in
this league. Nobody just mentions Denver. They lead the NFL
in sacks, the number two scoring defense. No team in
the league does a better job of protecting their quarterback
and getting to the yours. Pone Nicks never get sacked
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five times all year, and pone Nicks is a way
better athlete than anybody wants to admiss. And now they face.
Denver faces six straight teams without a winning record, So
watch out. Denver is getting better by the week. We
picked him to beat Philly and Philly and they did
number two. I'm gonna give it to Tampa folks, going
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to Seattle and putting on that offensive clinic in Mecca,
Agbuka folks, we have a star period. We got an
offensive rookie of the year. Baker Mayfield stills a chip
on his shoulder, but he's using it as fueled to
get him fired up. He's not reckless, He's not throwing interceptions.
He's played. He's always been a smart kid. He's playing
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very smart football and they're doing it without Bucky Irving
and Mike Evans. So this team's doing that, not fully
loaded Tampa two Number one. I don't think the NFL
has a great team, but the NFL does have a
complete offense O line, running back, room, tight end, wide receiver, quarterback.
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Detroit's offense is absolutely devastating and it's built to beat
really superstar quarterbacks. Were too good quarterbacks, I mean Jared
Goff right now. It is pitch and catch. It looks
like a seven on seven summer drill. And this is
what they're doing that they haven't done in previous years.
Second in sacks, third in takeaways. Their defense is not great,
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but they're taking the ball away. I do not think
we have a great team right now in the league,
but I do think Detroit offensively is about as good
as you can be in twenty twenty five. With an
expensive quarterback and a rigid cap. That's about as good
as an offense could look. That is my herd hierarchy.
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Jacksonville at eleven, that was a ridiculous win. Kansas City
is better and Nick Wright week Days. First things first
is joining us live. Wow Wow Wow, what that was great?
Speaker 3 (08:21):
No, it was great.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
First of all, let me apologize to the audience for
a moment. If I look a little sweaty, it's because
I am. And when you hear guys who love what
they do for a living say, oh, I you know,
I'd rather be at work, it's not only because we
love what we do, because there's no first things first today.
It's because, as it happens, the days we have off work,
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our wives as signed us things like yard work.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
Colin.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
I live in the middle of Manhattan. I don't have
a yard yet.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
I've been out in.
Speaker 4 (08:52):
Whatever our yard is for ninety minutes digging out plants.
I don't even know I'm sweating still thirty minutes later.
I don't know why I'm still sweating. I'm not built
for manual labor. I'm gonna tell you that right now.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
I got no makeup.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
I've been out in the eating so okay.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
But that which is why the hierarchy column was such
a pleasant surprise. Because I was a little sad last night.
But I here's why. So let me this is a
very weird reversal. Let me give the concerns about the
chiefs and then respond to what you said, they they
what makes the Chiefs special is they don't blow games
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like last night. While they maybe don't blow teams out
as often as the Lions or the Bills over the
last few years, they have a fourteen to nothing lead,
they win that game, and so that was disappointing and
the penalties.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
And the special teams mistakes.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
That was a bad loss that could you know, could
have hurt them in the state. It does hurt them
in the standings and seeding all of that. But your
bigger picture point, which is over the last two and
a half games, from the second half of the Giant
game right now.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
That offense looks the best it has looked yep in
three years.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
Yep.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
And they're getting Rashi Rice back. Patrick finally trusts his
offensive line yep. And is once Rashi comes back, it
will be the best collection of pass catchers they've had
since Tyreek was on the team.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
So all of that is super positive.
Speaker 4 (10:22):
They need a more consistent running game and they need
a better pass rush without having to send a blitz,
you know.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
But go ahead, There is one thing, and I said this,
you have to make choices as a team. So when
you pay Chris Jones and Mahomes and Kelsey. What they
have right now is they have a youth problem, and
they're putting guys on special teams and they're trying to
teach him how to play football. And it's just by
the way, Buffalo. You've got to make choices. They can't
defend their run because Detroit's front office is great and
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because they've hit on so many stars in the first round.
Detroit's offense is literally a Pro Bowl offense. But it's hard,
and so I think they're playing. I watched them last night,
and I'm like, these are correctable mistakes. When these guys
have played twelve NFL games or fifteen, they're just making
twenty three year old guy mistakes. Jacksonville's mistakes. I've watched
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that for twenty years. That's who they are.
Speaker 4 (11:15):
Yeah, well listen, and you know I love Trevor, and
last night was the full Trevor experience, the past to
Brian Thomas, the running reminding you of Clemson, and then
just some plays that I really thought Troy Aikman might
be like, guys, I need to take a quarter off.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
I can't watch it. I can't deal with it.
Speaker 4 (11:33):
Like Troy gets so frustrated at really talented quarterbacks missing layups,
and so you got the full thing. That was the
best win for Jacksonville since they beat everyone's future Hall
of Famer Justin Herbert in a playoff game, and so
I give them, you know, I give them a lot
of credit.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
I agree with you on the Chiefs.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
Let me say something about the Broncos real quick, because
I find the Broncos and the Packers to be in
a very similar situation. Okay, great defenses, yes, really sharp coaches.
Obviously Lafour hasn't accomplished with Sean Baton has, but they're
both excellent coaches, and their two quarterbacks are two of
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the most influential and interesting players in the league this
year because if they get solid turnover free play from
their quarterbacks, those are super dangerous teams. Now, I believe
in Love's upside more than bo Knicks's, but Love also
is more likely to have a.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
Three interception game than bo Nicks.
Speaker 4 (12:37):
Right, And so the Broncos, if the Bo Knicks for
three quarters against Philly did nothing and then in the
fourth quarter did everything, if they can just get eighty
percent of what he gave him in the fourth quarter,
they're legit. I'm skeptical of that, but if they can,
they're legit, and shout out to you and Baker. I
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just can't wait until he's back the show. It's going
to be such a beautiful moment.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
You know.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
I'm so excited.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
You know what. So people, I think you know this
about me, I do, but the audience doesn't know this
about me. I have gray hair now, and an important
thing for me is to be I like to be
part of people's success story. Young people, Danny Parkins or
you like Jay Mack. I like, that's fun. That's when
you're a gray hair that's the responsibility because people help me.
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So people think that I've rooted against Baker and I
didn't like Cleveland Baker. I thought he was too cocky.
I love Tampa Baker. I love him. He's one of
my favorite players. I said yesterday I'd vote him MVP.
Dak er him. And the thing I like about Baker
is that I think a chip on your shoulder Michael
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had it to the end, Brady had it till the
end is valuable. Don't let it turn you into a
grudge holder or a reckless player. Baker has gotten rid
of the reckless and I when I watch him. I
said this yesterday. If you'd never seen Donald in New
York or Baker in Cleveland, and you watch Sunday, you
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would have thought they were Brady and Manning.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
It was a great game. It was a great game
and a great duel. And it is Listen, you are.
You are part of Baker's story, and like for good
or for bad, your part of his story and your criticisms.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
While at the time, you know, we argued about it.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
Then I thought, you know, we're maybe harsher than I
would have done. They weren't rooted in fake and falsehood,
like they were rooted in something real. He matured and
also continued to improve. And part of the stuff that
rubs people the wrong way is also part of the
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reason you can get cut by the Panthers and still
believe I'm awesome and I'm going to prove to the
world I'm awesome.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
A less confident player that would.
Speaker 4 (15:06):
Have broken them. And so this is a great and
you're listen, he deservedly right now would be the league MVP.
Dak is trying to follow the Joe Burrow path. Last
year of the teams that mediocre but my numbers are unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
Baker's been unreal, and there is I.
Speaker 4 (15:23):
Want to say something about that, because you said he
got rid of the reckless. There is still some reckless,
but it is with so many explosives you can deal
with it. And this is actually kind of a Josh
Allen piece because Josh over the last two years got
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rid of the turnovers and also really cut down on
the explosive deep passes, which has made the team more
efficient and more reliable. But it's also why now they
are oddly less equipped to deal with if he turns
it over. Three years ago, if he turned it over,
they were like, okay, we built that into the game plan,
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and he's got We're gonna have a three play, eighty
yard touchdown drive coming up next. He for the If
you are Baker, you can average one pick a game
like you did last year because you lead the league
in touchdown passes. You can have some turnovers if you
have a bunch of explosives. If you're going to be
conservative with it, then you really got to take care
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of the ball.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
So generally, with quarterbacks, if you consider their career a
book with let's say fifteen chapters being fifteen years, the
average the Great Ones play. You know, mahomes. By the
start of chapter two, year two, you're like, well, okay,
that doesn't look like anybody else. Brady was probably chapter four,
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Josh Allen chapter three, Lamar late chapter one, You're like, yeah, boy,
that's gonna be a problem. And I was thinking about
this the other day. Dak is in a very real
weird spot because I didn't I thought he was over
hyped early. I thought he had the best O line
and the best running back, and then he got Amari Cooper.
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I think I've figured Dak out. And it's like chapter eleven,
and here's what it is. I know, I've never thought
of a quarterback. It took me eleven chapters. Zach Martin left,
Des left, Amari left, Zeke left, Mike McCarthy left, Jason
Garrett left, everybody leaves him, and every time he wins
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double digit games. And now he's got Schottenheimer arguably his weakest,
most unproven head coach. He looks unbelievable. He doesn't have
a number one receiver or a number one tight end.
The O line is still in a rebuild. The running
back room's better than last year, but not elite, not Detroit.
I think it took me years to figure out. Is
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that everybody has a superpower. With Jalen Hurts, it's his strength.
With Josh Allen, it's his size. With Maho, it's a lot,
but it's arm talent. Same with Stafford. With Dak, it's
a combination of IQ and EQ. He is so self aware,
so egoless with the biggest ego owner. Is that I
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watched Dak and I'm like, god, it took me twelve
chapters to figure him out. Is that in this circus
known as the Cowboys, he is the grown up. He
is he is the constant studying for yes.
Speaker 4 (18:29):
So let me add something to that, because listen, Dak
has been phenomenal, phenomenal, And the first two weeks of
the year he had like a bad passer rating and
his numbers weren't that good, And that was a good
test of our do people actually watch games if they were.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
If they were like, oh, Dak's been okay.
Speaker 4 (18:46):
Dak has been awesome from the first game, of the
first pass of the first game to right now, like
that Eagles game, he was phenomenal. I don't care what
his numbers were. He was phenomenal. He's been great, So
to add to that, because you know, I'm a big
believer with quarterbacks that there definitively is such a thing
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as you know, a big game quarterback. Guys who elevate
in the biggest spots and guys who shrank all of it.
Dak's biggest criticism, fair or not. I think it's been
mostly fair. Has been in the biggest spots, under the
most pressure, he doesn't play his best. So it absolutely
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narratively would make sense that this year, the year that
going into it, he's been under arguably the least pressure,
the team had the least expectations. As they trade Micah,
there's a rookie head coach, nobody's putting the Cowboys in
the super Bowl, that he can play as freely as
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he's ever played. He's on something of like, for the
first time in a very long time, a reputational free
role this year where if the Cowboys are bad, it's
not on him because the defense has been so awful,
and when they're good, he's got to do it all.
And so he is playing, to me with less tension
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and stress than maybe any other moment of his career.
And he's been phenomenal, like truly phenomenal. If it were true,
if we didn't care about reputation or resume, one could
argue that the three leading MVP candidates at the quarter
pole of the season would be Baker Mayfield, Dak Prescott,
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and I can't believe I'm saying this, Daniel Jones, like
those three guys. Like again, if it was totally context,
lists would probably be the three candidates, and credit to
all of them. And Dak's been great and he makes
the Cowboys scary because the Cowboys right now are a
team that can definitively lose to anyone.
Speaker 5 (20:56):
When you have a defense that bad, anyone can beat you,
and can beat anyone when you haven't offense that good,
even when they're missing Cede Lamb, they can beat anyone.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
It makes them really interesting in a year. I did
not expect they would.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
Be the finally on the Eagles. I've said this before.
Sometimes in life you have a problem. It's like this
is hard to figure out why me and my wife
are fighting, and you have to go to therapy. And
then there's the problems where you're like, oh, yeah, that's easy.
The Eagles are twelve and oho since last year, when
they throw it less than twenty five times, throw the
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ball less, run more. That's always the answer. In Philadelphia,
Saquon Barkley touched at six times Sunday and they were
leading by two touchdowns. Is this the moment when Eagle
fans have to acknowledge that Siriani's been kind of writing
on the coattails of a great GM and a highly
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functional quarterback.
Speaker 4 (21:56):
So there's a lot here, man, And I'm glad you
brought up, you know, marriage counseling, because I heard the
story yesterday that Jalen Aj and Saquon got together and
hashed out what's been going on. And then I heard
the end of the report, which is the meeting lasted
for a little over two hours. And you know what
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I said, And people can get mad, and Eagle fans
can tweet this and aggregate it and say, oh, Nick's
being unfair.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
They know I'm right. Two hour meeting too long. You know,
the marriage counseling is fifty five minutes. Your whole life's
on the line. Anything that is not resolved by minute
forty five is not getting.
Speaker 4 (22:40):
Resolved minute ninety eight. So that I didn't love that report.
I was like, all right, that's first thing. Second thing
is and I'll bring up marriage again. It seems like
Kevin Petullo keeps over correcting in various directions, like when
your wife gets mad at you, it's like, you don't
buy me fly anymore, and then you bring her flowers
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every day for a week and by the end of
the week she's like, all right, enough, you're overdoing it.
I said, like, the problem was we're not passing. Were
not passing enough. So in a game you're leading, you
call two design second half runs. So the Eagles are
objectively colin an excellent team. They have an excellent roster.
They have the most expensive offense in the history of
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the NFL, and they have a top five offensive line,
a top five running back, top five.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
Receivers, and a really good quarterback.
Speaker 4 (23:34):
I don't know where you want to rank it, but
which makes it so unfathomable that in their last six
halves of football they have either had less than eight
yards rushing or eight yards passing in three.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
Of them, yeah half.
Speaker 6 (23:53):
In the last they've only played how many halves all
year to ten halves all year? And in three of
the last six they have been totally non exists on
one side, you know, in one facet of the game.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
And here is why I think it is fair to
be a little concern.
Speaker 4 (24:11):
It reminds me a bit of two years ago when
they started ten and one, but it was so angsty
and every game they won, but it was like yeah,
but yeah, but and what that led to was a
historic collapse where they went from ten to one to
losing six of their final seven and basically.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
Giving up in the playoff game.
Speaker 4 (24:34):
I don't think that's coming here for Philly, but I
do think they need to have the ability to just
have one normal offensive game, and they seem to be
struggling with that.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
Yard work is fascinating. In Manhattan. There's not a lot
of yards.
Speaker 4 (24:53):
I mean the central I'm saying, no city we've got
like we've got Listen, I'm very fortunate we have nice
little outdoor spaces here, but it's it doesn't there's we have.
I'd set the over under of plants or in this
house or on the outside at forty seven and a
half and somehow I was assigned digging them out and
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I and I kind of wanted to look at her
and be like, babe, I love you so much. But
you do know who you married, right, that's like, am
I a guy that really exudes?
Speaker 3 (25:24):
Yard work is my strength? So no, I'm still sweating.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
I don't know. I might have to We were off
the air today. We're supposed to be back tomorrow. I
might have to call in sick. I don't know if
I'm going to recover.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
This is tough.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
I tell my wife about twice a year when she
asked me to do yard work. I'm like, honey, I've
got to entertain America tomorrow excutally.
Speaker 4 (25:43):
Right, I've got to listen, and I'm simulating the economy.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
I can hire a professional to do this.
Speaker 4 (25:51):
It's their job and it helps everyone, including me.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
All Right, I'll see you, Colin. I gotta I gotta
go plant a tree in the cement.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
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fifth round pick. So the Bengals want a new quarterback.
Shadeur Sanders is now the Cleveland Browns back up to
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Dylan Gabriel. So we said Ken Pickett would get moved,
and I and we we thought that Pickett would get
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Flacco would start. So they've seen enough of Flacco, and uh,
you know, Flacco may give them too good of a
chance to win, so let's move him away and let's
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use the young guys. So we are a chadere senders
sighting on a field near you in the next couple
of weeks. I suppose by the.
Speaker 9 (27:29):
Way Brown's Steelers, they're calling this one of the worst
spots for Cleveland coming off London.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
No bye, no, no, it's in Pittsburgh off of by.
It's my second favorite bet of the week. I told
you I already have my blazing five.
Speaker 9 (27:42):
That's crazy.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
The Steeler game jumps off the board. Like last week
I told you the Colts.
Speaker 9 (27:47):
I'm like, remember last week the Rams jumped off the board.
The Colt did.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
The Steelers is one of two games that doesn't make sense.
The Steelers.
Speaker 9 (27:58):
It's just unfair. They get two weeks b and then
the Browns are coming off a bye with a rookie
for London with a rookie quarterback. Maybe Shadour plays this week.
Will he be miming calls when he gets to the
line of scrimmage. He's not gonna be barking. He's gonna
be miming.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
Well, if we don't have Lamar and Burrow, we need
quarterback stories of interest and that would be interesting.
Speaker 9 (28:14):
Can we not do Shador? How about this? We do
a draft of quarterbacks we don't have to talk about.
I get first pick Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
I'd like, I'd like talking about winning quarterbacks, all of them.
I may do a Daniel Jones segment next.
Speaker 9 (28:28):
Now that kid, get yeah, let's do that.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
J Mack with a news no no hear on the news.
Speaker 9 (28:35):
This is the herd line news more exciting than an
NFL trade. That's the Yankees Blue Jays Series Big One
tonight on FS one. The Yanks have been outscored twenty
three to eight in the first two games. They're facing
elimination tonight, with former Cy Young winner Shane Bieber taking
him ound for the Blue Jays. I'll take the Yanks.
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I know you want Toronto to win this.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
I don't. I don't want anything. I've said the Yankees
are an uneven team that's home run dependent, and that
means Aaron Judge is going to have to come up.
Aaron Judges had a good series, but he's gonna have
to come up in a huge spot and get a
huge hit. He hasn't proven he can do that yet.
There's a lot of stress on him. There's a lot
of Because o Tani, there's not stress. He's got Freddy
Freeman and Mookie Betts in great starting pitching and they
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field well, and they oh Tani's great. But you feel
like there's seven other guys, Max Munci, Taoscar Hernandez. You
never feel like it's the weight of the world is
on Sho Hay's shoulders. Last night it was Will Smith
and you know Blake Snell. And it's different with the Yankees.
You need Aaron Judge to hit bombs in the eighth
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inning with Tuan to win the game.
Speaker 9 (29:45):
Let me ask you for this show content and national interest.
Who do you want to advance in these two series
today on FS one Mariners Tigers, lou Ja's Yankees. Who
do you want to see advance of the next round?
Speaker 1 (29:58):
Yankees Mariners.
Speaker 9 (30:00):
Right, let's move on to the next story. I like
that Penn State. Oh my gosh, Colin, this Penn State
lost to UCLA is getting glossed over a lot. Somehow
Franklin's dodging a bullet here because the card was weak.
There's Baseball playoffs, there's NFL. I mean, listen, James Franklin
talked to the media about the state of his program.
Speaker 7 (30:17):
This sounds bleak, fair question. I believe in Penn State,
I believe in our players. I believe in the men
in the LASH building, men and women in the Lash building.
And I believe in myself. And obviously, you know, after
the last two games, we're going to get these types
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of questions.
Speaker 9 (30:38):
I get it. Fun fact, UCLA did not lead any
of their opponents at any point all season. Yeah, they
were up twenty seven to seven.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
And also changed coaches, and sometimes you put play calling
in different hands, and you have young coaches who maybe
were suppressed a little bit by the ex head coach.
You never know, but I will tell you this, their
play calling was excellent. Jerry Neuheisel, I thought, I just
thought they came out with much more energy. I watched
that game. I thought they had much more energy. Nico Iamaliava.
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They put the ball in his hands and they leaned
into his athletic ability. He was terrific.
Speaker 9 (31:17):
Colin, are you a DJ? Why are you spinning so much?
They said, there's no way to spin this. For Penn State,
this is awful. This is rock bottom. Nico. Remember the
first three weeks they were like, Oh, what a joke
that guy is. Why did he transfer? And now he
beats Penn State. I mean, Colin, I'm looking at the schedule.
Penn State still has to go to Ohio State, they
have to go to Iowa. That's not a lock. They'll
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probably win that, and they host Indiana. Indiana's pretty good.
They got an NFL quarterback. If Penn State doesn't make
the playoff, do you think Franklin gets fired? They opened
the country. I think they opened his number two in
the country, riter number.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
Now he doesn't get fired. You're having to spend so
much money on facilities, and NIL gonna buy him out.
That's why these guys, all these Lincoln Riley's in trouble
and Brian Kelly's in trouble. The NIL is saving these coaches.
You can't just buy him out anymore. You're spending twenty
five million. How many times can you go to donors
and ask him for another thirty five to forty five
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million dollars. The NIL has been the best thing all
these coaches that grumbled about it. See the big picture.
It's saving your butt.
Speaker 9 (32:23):
Let me ask you about Drew Aller.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
By the way, Franklin's buyout, My staff found out fifty million.
Speaker 9 (32:28):
That's not that's pocket change for the Penn State crowd.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
No, it's not. That's Come on, there's not a cell
phone tower within two hours of that campus in the
middle of.
Speaker 9 (32:37):
Noah Peyton take the Broncos to the playoffs after they
brought out Russell Wilson in his deal. You could do
this in college football.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Man.
Speaker 9 (32:44):
So, by the way, Drew Aller, do we want to
talk about his NFL prospects here?
Speaker 1 (32:47):
He's not a first round quarterback?
Speaker 9 (32:49):
Is he a second or third or fourth? I mean
his passing high yards this season is two hundred and nine.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
He's got the size, he's got an arm. I don't
know what's happened, but he doesn't play with a lot
of command or a lot of energy.
Speaker 9 (33:01):
He's low energy.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
Again, you watch him on the field with Dante Moore,
it's like close. But again, Dante Moore's Oregon's whole programs
about juice in them.
Speaker 9 (33:12):
There's just shades of Christian Hackenberg. You remember him.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
He's better than Christian?
Speaker 9 (33:16):
Yeah he is?
Speaker 5 (33:16):
Yeh.
Speaker 9 (33:17):
Final story, Colin, So another football weekend was crazy in
the NFL. But our staff put together this is pretty crazy.
I did not even notice this. Six teams came back
from double digit deficits to win this week. Six The
Broncos were down fourteen, Commanders were down ten, Jags down fourteen.
Last night, Panthers were down seventeen to nothing, Saints were
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down eleven, Titans were down eighteen. That is kind of insane.
Now underdogs went nine and five, not against the spread,
straight up, underdogs were barking this weekend. Is this just
the end of the favorites dominating? Is this the top
is coming back? Give me a macro analysis of how
the hell this happens.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
Well, it's an offensive league. We've got a lot of interest.
I mean, even Bryce Young, everybody critical. Bryce Young can play.
Spencer Ratler can play to some level. We go Bryce
Young can play when he's down to d Also, remember
right now, it's a very warm fall. The weather's perfect
right now. I mean's Seattle. Do you see that game? Seattle? Like, good,
take your shirt off. Perfect weather. So you have a
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very warm fall that always benefits the offense. You have
a lot of defensive players banged up. Why because defensive
players get hurt more than offensive players. So you have
a lot of thin defenses. Perfect weather. Excellent coordinator play
in the NFL. Right now, we have the most smart
offensive coordinators in the history of the league. And they're
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dialing up good plays. And the Buffalo when's the last
time you saw snow in Buffalo? They're playing New England,
and I'm like, I'm like, god, take your shirt off.
Fun night, in Buffalo. So it's good weather, good coordinators,
and a lot of banged up defenses.
Speaker 9 (34:55):
Soarrico even made a joke. He was like, it's eighty
two on the lake whatever lake is in Buffalo. Erie
on it was like eighty degrees in Buffalo. This past
week was eighty in Chicago. Where's their advance? Don't they
have like some advantage? Hmm, this is weird. Do you
back underdogs this week? You said you got your blazing
five locked? Are you going favorites or dogs?
Speaker 1 (35:14):
I like the Seilers, that's the favorite. I like there's
some dogs barking this week.
Speaker 9 (35:19):
Is that like one of these put your kids college
tuition fund on the ceiler?
Speaker 1 (35:22):
Oh, there's no such thing. I had the Chiefs last night,
and I thought I had it one.
Speaker 9 (35:26):
I have to tell you about the Jags. I did
have a great week, but you know, we can't all
be like Jamach.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
Thank god. J Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
Herd line. News Man.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
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Speaker 2 (35:45):
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Speaker 9 (35:54):
A huge day of college football kicks off with Big
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top ranked Ohio State against Illinois. Then at three thirty
it's TCU versus Case State, and under the lights at
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all begins with Big Noon Saturday only on Fox.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
Yeah, last weekend it didn't have a lot of big billing,
but a couple of games ended up being crazy good.
Speaker 9 (36:20):
How about my Texas Tech Red Raiders. Remember when I
said they were going to the playoffs this August? I
think I was filling in for you. A lot of
people laughed at me, Colin, they are looking good.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
Well, it's a week conference. So here's the playoff picture
as of today, and I think most of it will stand.
Pat Kansas City, I think will make the playoffs in
the AFC. Right now, for our radio audience, it's I'll
read them an order of seed Colts Bills, Steelers. Don't
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laugh at the Steelers. The rest of the divisions all
beat up Chargers, Jags, Denver and New England. I think
it holds. I I don't think the AFC South is
going to have two teams, and I trust Indianapolis over
the Jags. All of the Jags are a fun watch.
I think Kansas City makes it in eventually, and I
do think the Chargers get it right when Joe Alt
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comes back in the NFC. In the order right now,
it's Philly, San Francisco, Tampa, Detroit, Green Bay, Seattle, Minnesota.
I don't think Minnesota is going to make it take
them out, put the Rams in. I think Washington. I
don't know what to do with Washington. You were at
that game Sunday and Jayden Daniels look very good. I
don't love their roster. I would say Minnesota and Jacksonville
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I think are Gonzo. But it doesn't take long. We're
only five games into the season, and I think the
truth comes out. You know the best coaches, you know
the best quarterbacks. I mean the Chargers obviously are faulding
apart physically. San Francisco has been winning despite faulding apart physically.
Shanahan deserves Coach of the Year credit here. He's having
a great year coaching. They're asking Mac Jones until forty
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times a game with a bad old line and none.
Speaker 9 (37:59):
Of his targets. By the way, Niners are getting points
at Tampa. This who's a quarterback? Mac Jones? Are pretty
Does it matter to you?
Speaker 1 (38:08):
I would prefer the less turnover prone quarterback Mac Jones.
Speaker 9 (38:12):
The other thing Washington. As you mentioned, they are at
Chicago this week, Okay, I McLaurin. They return.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
Yeah, I thought this line was This was my This
Pittsburgh's my second favorite.
Speaker 9 (38:23):
Bet.
Speaker 1 (38:23):
I'm not going to say my first favorite till the
Blazing five. This was my third favorite beat. I like Washington.
Speaker 9 (38:29):
I think that's it. Tell people to line I'm seeing
three and a half, but I have a feeling that's
going to be going up.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
It's at Washington.
Speaker 9 (38:37):
Uh no, it's I think it's at Chicago, is it? Yeah? Interesting?
I like Washington in that show. No, No, is that
Washington Monday Night Football? Oh geez, that's slammed.
Speaker 1 (38:46):
Done at Washington Monday Night Football. The very feeling good
about themselves and also you say to yourself, well, the
Bears are off a bye. When teams that are playing
well come off a bye, it can really be helpful
to get rest. But if you're not quite right off
a bye. Does it necessarily matter?
Speaker 9 (39:07):
By the way, how did Ben Johnson and Jared Goff
do in the NFC Championship game against Dan Quinn's defense?
Not good? Washington body bagged him. Not in the NFC
playoffs last remember it was like forty five thirty one
GoF struggle. I have a feeling Caleb could be in
some trouble in this one against Washington. Defense is like
no name dudes, Bobby Wagner.
Speaker 1 (39:27):
And Justin Herbert, great pressure, all up.
Speaker 9 (39:30):
In his grill. I'm with you. I like Washington there.
And also that's Broncos in London. That's definitely well and viewing.
I don't like betting those London games. You just get
a different team. Like obviously Denver's like a five and
a half or six point favorite.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
They could beat to my thirty.
Speaker 9 (39:48):
Yeah, but they may let down after the Willy win.
Did you see Sean Payton was driving the bus around
Philadelphia like flexing the Broncos afterward.
Speaker 1 (39:54):
I'm like, well, I looked at that line and I said,
I am staying away now. I Do I think it's
a coaching match, absolutely do I think the jetsul line
will struggle to protect against Denver. Absolutely, but beating Philadelphia.
Remember a couple of years ago that everybody that played
San Francisco the next week lost. Yes, that's kind of
a stacked San Francisco team. You beat Philadelphia and you
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have a pretty young team in Denver. Would it shock
you if they went on the road to London and
got had a.
Speaker 9 (40:22):
Little fun against a Jets team that is it is
to do and they're terrible to me, is a trap game.
In fact, the number is not as high. What's the
number on I think you said you're right five and
a half sears, So ask.
Speaker 1 (40:36):
Yourself this if you're a if you bet Denver beats
Philly and Philly dominates the second half. Jets are atrocious
and the lines five and a half.
Speaker 9 (40:48):
They see, it's weird, like all of a sudden, Bonnicks
has to cover a number as opposed to being an underdog,
a plucky underdog. Now you got to go and win
by margin.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
I don't know, so that line is that is a
trap bet.
Speaker 9 (41:00):
There's some good games I'm seeing this Seattle game, Seattle
losing to Tampa messed me up. Their defense got torch torched,
and Jacksonville has some playmakers colling. That's a Fox game now,
but remember Jacksonville. That's a long I think that's the
longest trip in the country.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
Seattle to Jacksonville, KY, short week, come off their biggest
win maybe ever. Watch Jacksonville turnover prone off their biggest win,
a day less to prepare. Seattle in a bad mood
could have won. Thinks they should have won. I like Sattle,
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like Sam Darker and the Mariners.
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Here we go. It's our two. We are firing on
all cylinder. It is great to be here today. It
is a Tuesday, a rod last hour. Yanks season on
the brink. Tonight, Dodgers up to nothing. Milwaukee's a machine,
probably gonna get a Brewer's Dodgers NLCS. That's interesting. I'll
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take that. Jmac. In the first hour, I stated that
Jacksonville will not, despite a glossy four and one record,
make the Herd hierarchy. I have them at eleven out
of respect for Trevor Lawrence. They are ridiculous and were
outplayed and out gained, and I don't think the team
that wins the game is always the best team. So
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I just said that I can respect somebody and you
can win a game, but Kansas City was a better
team last night, and with that, I'm gonna move into
my herd hierarchy, which for the record, is one of
my best ever. Here we go.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Heard hierarchy, im go. The top ten NFL teams according
to College number.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Ten most underrated team in the league. I've been on
it for a month, as the colt should have beaten
the Rams lead the NFL in point differential few as
Sacks surrendered most efficient scoring offense. I mean, they barely
had the ball against the Raiders and they drop a
forty burger. Their offensive line slowed down the Rams defensive front.
They've got a ceiling. It's Daniel Jones. They've got a ceiling.
But they're gonna end up hosting a playoff game and
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they're going again somebody like Kansas City or Denver. And
I'm telling you right now, you don't want to play
this team. Jonathan Tator, behind that old line, behind that
play calling, behind Warren and Pittman, and this is a
good team. This is a good roster Colts at ten,
number nine. Here's what worries me about the Rams. They
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are very Puka Nakua reliant on offense. And the problem
is both they're running backs Blake Krum and Kyron Williams
have ball security issues and McVeigh didn't trust them, so
that's not going away. They have got to develop tight
end and DeVante Adams fast. Yes, their offense leads the
NFL in yards for play at six point four. They're
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a very good team, but I gotta watch them the
next two weeks they had. They had the Niners game
and blew it and the Colts out played in Rams
at nine. Number eight, I think Kyle Shanahan is having
his best year as a coach. I mean, they don't
have Purty You, Jennings, Nick Bosa. They're three and zero
in the road. Mac Jones looks like a pro bowler.
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This is great coaching. Now, they're the only team averaging
forty yard forty passes a game. Now think about that
with Mac Jones. There's no substitute teacher here. They're asking
Mac to throw it forty times a game. Christian McCaffrey
touching it more than I want him to cross your
fingers on his help. But coaching matters, and Shanahan could
be coach of the Year right now. He's coaching his
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butt off. Number seven Bills don't look right. They just
defensively can't stop the run. I don't worry about the offense.
I don't, but they just don't have that force, that
jet fuel they've had in recent years. They can't stop
the run. And I just when I watch him against
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New England, I'm like, boy, New England closed the gap
kind of quickly, didn't they. I thought New England was
going to get there in about it another three or
four games against the Bills. So I have him at seven.
Don't worry about green Bay? Can we stop with a
Jordan Love criticism? Eight touchdowns, one pick in one hundred
and thirteen passer rating. They're a young team that can't
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figure out a way to close out inferior teams. Twice
Seattle's the second youngest team. Seattle's thrown games away against
the Niners and Buccaneers. Young teams struggle in close games
until they figure out how to win. Mike is having
a year. The schedule, Get Carolina is coming up, the Bengals, Arizona.
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They're gonna go on a heater. They are just fine.
Green Bay at six, number five, Listen the Chiefs. They're
good better team. Last night seven point six yards of
play a team that had averaged seven point five yards
of play, had won thirty three straight games. Mahomes threw
a pick six because he did not see Devin Lloyd.
He didn't see him. Mahomes is great, unbelievable. Keep your
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eye when Rashi Rice comes back. Brishard Smith, the young
player out of Miami, Worthy Kelsey. This wide receiving corps
is going to get really good, really fast. They had
a bad pick six. This team is good situationally, they're outstanding.
They're great when they get down to the red zone.
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I don't buy it. If you're selling stock on Kansas City,
I am buying all of it today. Number four Philadelphia, Listen.
You can't be twenty nineteen yards per play and be
a top two or three team. I don't care about
their roster. They've got an offensive coordinator issue now. Once
they get into the red zone because of the tush push,
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it's pretty fearsome. And they don't you know. I mean,
Jalen Hurts most pass attempts by any quarterback without a pick.
He doesn't make a lot of mistakes, but they are
struggling to get their best players the ball. That is
a coaching issue. AJ Brown needs thirteen targets. Barkley needs
thirteen to fifteen carries. You had six this weekend a
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Philly at four, number three Denver two combined losses four points.
Denver's roster's good. We all know the good rosters in
this league. Nobody just mentions Denver. They lead the NFL
in sacks, the number two scoring defense. No team in
the league does a better job of protecting their quarterback
and getting to the yours. Pone Nicks never get sacked
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five times all year, and pone Nicks is a way
better athlete than anybody wants to admiss. And now they face.
Denver faces six straight teams without a winning record, So
watch out. Denver is getting better by the week. We
picked him to beat Philly and Philly and they did
number two. I'm gonna give it to Tampa folks, going
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to Seattle and putting on that offensive clinic in Mecca,
Agbuka folks, we have a star period. We got an
offensive rookie of the year. Baker Mayfield stills a chip
on his shoulder, but he's using it as fueled to
get him fired up. He's not reckless, He's not throwing interceptions.
He's played. He's always been a smart kid. He's playing
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very smart football and they're doing it without Bucky Irving
and Mike Evans. So this team's doing that, not fully
loaded Tampa two Number one. I don't think the NFL
has a great team, but the NFL does have a
complete offense O line, running back, room, tight end, wide receiver, quarterback.
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Detroit's offense is absolutely devastating and it's built to beat
really superstar quarterbacks. Were too good quarterbacks, I mean Jared
Goff right now. It is pitch and catch. It looks
like a seven on seven summer drill. And this is
what they're doing that they haven't done in previous years.
Second in sacks, third in takeaways. Their defense is not great,
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but they're taking the ball away. I do not think
we have a great team right now in the league,
but I do think Detroit offensively is about as good
as you can be in twenty twenty five. With an
expensive quarterback and a rigid cap. That's about as good
as an offense could look. That is my herd hierarchy.
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Jacksonville at eleven, that was a ridiculous win. Kansas City
is better and Nick Wright week Days. First things first
is joining us live. Wow Wow Wow, what that was great?
Speaker 3 (08:21):
No, it was great.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
First of all, let me apologize to the audience for
a moment. If I look a little sweaty, it's because
I am. And when you hear guys who love what
they do for a living say, oh, I you know,
I'd rather be at work, it's not only because we
love what we do, because there's no first things first today.
It's because, as it happens, the days we have off work,
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our wives as signed us things like yard work.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
Colin.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
I live in the middle of Manhattan. I don't have
a yard yet.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
I've been out in.
Speaker 4 (08:52):
Whatever our yard is for ninety minutes digging out plants.
I don't even know I'm sweating still thirty minutes later.
I don't know why I'm still sweating. I'm not built
for manual labor. I'm gonna tell you that right now.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
I got no makeup.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
I've been out in the eating so okay.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
But that which is why the hierarchy column was such
a pleasant surprise. Because I was a little sad last night.
But I here's why. So let me this is a
very weird reversal. Let me give the concerns about the
chiefs and then respond to what you said, they they
what makes the Chiefs special is they don't blow games
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like last night. While they maybe don't blow teams out
as often as the Lions or the Bills over the
last few years, they have a fourteen to nothing lead,
they win that game, and so that was disappointing and
the penalties.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
And the special teams mistakes.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
That was a bad loss that could you know, could
have hurt them in the state. It does hurt them
in the standings and seeding all of that. But your
bigger picture point, which is over the last two and
a half games, from the second half of the Giant
game right now.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
That offense looks the best it has looked yep in
three years.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
Yep.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
And they're getting Rashi Rice back. Patrick finally trusts his
offensive line yep. And is once Rashi comes back, it
will be the best collection of pass catchers they've had
since Tyreek was on the team.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
So all of that is super positive.
Speaker 4 (10:22):
They need a more consistent running game and they need
a better pass rush without having to send a blitz,
you know.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
But go ahead, There is one thing, and I said this,
you have to make choices as a team. So when
you pay Chris Jones and Mahomes and Kelsey. What they
have right now is they have a youth problem, and
they're putting guys on special teams and they're trying to
teach him how to play football. And it's just by
the way, Buffalo. You've got to make choices. They can't
defend their run because Detroit's front office is great and
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because they've hit on so many stars in the first round.
Detroit's offense is literally a Pro Bowl offense. But it's hard,
and so I think they're playing. I watched them last night,
and I'm like, these are correctable mistakes. When these guys
have played twelve NFL games or fifteen, they're just making
twenty three year old guy mistakes. Jacksonville's mistakes. I've watched
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that for twenty years. That's who they are.
Speaker 4 (11:15):
Yeah, well listen, and you know I love Trevor, and
last night was the full Trevor experience, the past to
Brian Thomas, the running reminding you of Clemson, and then
just some plays that I really thought Troy Aikman might
be like, guys, I need to take a quarter off.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
I can't watch it. I can't deal with it.
Speaker 4 (11:33):
Like Troy gets so frustrated at really talented quarterbacks missing layups,
and so you got the full thing. That was the
best win for Jacksonville since they beat everyone's future Hall
of Famer Justin Herbert in a playoff game, and so
I give them, you know, I give them a lot
of credit.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
I agree with you on the Chiefs.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
Let me say something about the Broncos real quick, because
I find the Broncos and the Packers to be in
a very similar situation. Okay, great defenses, yes, really sharp coaches.
Obviously Lafour hasn't accomplished with Sean Baton has, but they're
both excellent coaches, and their two quarterbacks are two of
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the most influential and interesting players in the league this
year because if they get solid turnover free play from
their quarterbacks, those are super dangerous teams. Now, I believe
in Love's upside more than bo Knicks's, but Love also
is more likely to have a.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
Three interception game than bo Nicks.
Speaker 4 (12:37):
Right, And so the Broncos, if the Bo Knicks for
three quarters against Philly did nothing and then in the
fourth quarter did everything, if they can just get eighty
percent of what he gave him in the fourth quarter,
they're legit. I'm skeptical of that, but if they can,
they're legit, and shout out to you and Baker. I
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just can't wait until he's back the show. It's going
to be such a beautiful moment.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
You know.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
I'm so excited.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
You know what. So people, I think you know this
about me, I do, but the audience doesn't know this
about me. I have gray hair now, and an important
thing for me is to be I like to be
part of people's success story. Young people, Danny Parkins or
you like Jay Mack. I like, that's fun. That's when
you're a gray hair that's the responsibility because people help me.
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So people think that I've rooted against Baker and I
didn't like Cleveland Baker. I thought he was too cocky.
I love Tampa Baker. I love him. He's one of
my favorite players. I said yesterday I'd vote him MVP.
Dak er him. And the thing I like about Baker
is that I think a chip on your shoulder Michael
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had it to the end, Brady had it till the
end is valuable. Don't let it turn you into a
grudge holder or a reckless player. Baker has gotten rid
of the reckless and I when I watch him. I
said this yesterday. If you'd never seen Donald in New
York or Baker in Cleveland, and you watch Sunday, you
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would have thought they were Brady and Manning.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
It was a great game. It was a great game
and a great duel. And it is Listen, you are.
You are part of Baker's story, and like for good
or for bad, your part of his story and your criticisms.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
While at the time, you know, we argued about it.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
Then I thought, you know, we're maybe harsher than I
would have done. They weren't rooted in fake and falsehood,
like they were rooted in something real. He matured and
also continued to improve. And part of the stuff that
rubs people the wrong way is also part of the
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reason you can get cut by the Panthers and still
believe I'm awesome and I'm going to prove to the
world I'm awesome.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
A less confident player that would.
Speaker 4 (15:06):
Have broken them. And so this is a great and
you're listen, he deservedly right now would be the league MVP.
Dak is trying to follow the Joe Burrow path. Last
year of the teams that mediocre but my numbers are unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
Baker's been unreal, and there is I.
Speaker 4 (15:23):
Want to say something about that, because you said he
got rid of the reckless. There is still some reckless,
but it is with so many explosives you can deal
with it. And this is actually kind of a Josh
Allen piece because Josh over the last two years got
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rid of the turnovers and also really cut down on
the explosive deep passes, which has made the team more
efficient and more reliable. But it's also why now they
are oddly less equipped to deal with if he turns
it over. Three years ago, if he turned it over,
they were like, okay, we built that into the game plan,
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and he's got We're gonna have a three play, eighty
yard touchdown drive coming up next. He for the If
you are Baker, you can average one pick a game
like you did last year because you lead the league
in touchdown passes. You can have some turnovers if you
have a bunch of explosives. If you're going to be
conservative with it, then you really got to take care
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of the ball.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
So generally, with quarterbacks, if you consider their career a
book with let's say fifteen chapters being fifteen years, the
average the Great Ones play. You know, mahomes. By the
start of chapter two, year two, you're like, well, okay,
that doesn't look like anybody else. Brady was probably chapter four,
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Josh Allen chapter three, Lamar late chapter one, You're like, yeah, boy,
that's gonna be a problem. And I was thinking about
this the other day. Dak is in a very real
weird spot because I didn't I thought he was over
hyped early. I thought he had the best O line
and the best running back, and then he got Amari Cooper.
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I think I've figured Dak out. And it's like chapter eleven,
and here's what it is. I know, I've never thought
of a quarterback. It took me eleven chapters. Zach Martin left,
Des left, Amari left, Zeke left, Mike McCarthy left, Jason
Garrett left, everybody leaves him, and every time he wins
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double digit games. And now he's got Schottenheimer arguably his weakest,
most unproven head coach. He looks unbelievable. He doesn't have
a number one receiver or a number one tight end.
The O line is still in a rebuild. The running
back room's better than last year, but not elite, not Detroit.
I think it took me years to figure out. Is
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that everybody has a superpower. With Jalen Hurts, it's his strength.
With Josh Allen, it's his size. With Maho, it's a lot,
but it's arm talent. Same with Stafford. With Dak, it's
a combination of IQ and EQ. He is so self aware,
so egoless with the biggest ego owner. Is that I
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watched Dak and I'm like, god, it took me twelve
chapters to figure him out. Is that in this circus
known as the Cowboys, he is the grown up. He
is he is the constant studying for yes.
Speaker 4 (18:29):
So let me add something to that, because listen, Dak
has been phenomenal, phenomenal, And the first two weeks of
the year he had like a bad passer rating and
his numbers weren't that good, And that was a good
test of our do people actually watch games if they were.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
If they were like, oh, Dak's been okay.
Speaker 4 (18:46):
Dak has been awesome from the first game, of the
first pass of the first game to right now, like
that Eagles game, he was phenomenal. I don't care what
his numbers were. He was phenomenal. He's been great, So
to add to that, because you know, I'm a big
believer with quarterbacks that there definitively is such a thing
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as you know, a big game quarterback. Guys who elevate
in the biggest spots and guys who shrank all of it.
Dak's biggest criticism, fair or not. I think it's been
mostly fair. Has been in the biggest spots, under the
most pressure, he doesn't play his best. So it absolutely
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narratively would make sense that this year, the year that
going into it, he's been under arguably the least pressure,
the team had the least expectations. As they trade Micah,
there's a rookie head coach, nobody's putting the Cowboys in
the super Bowl, that he can play as freely as
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he's ever played. He's on something of like, for the
first time in a very long time, a reputational free
role this year where if the Cowboys are bad, it's
not on him because the defense has been so awful,
and when they're good, he's got to do it all.
And so he is playing, to me with less tension
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and stress than maybe any other moment of his career.
And he's been phenomenal, like truly phenomenal. If it were true,
if we didn't care about reputation or resume, one could
argue that the three leading MVP candidates at the quarter
pole of the season would be Baker Mayfield, Dak Prescott,
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and I can't believe I'm saying this, Daniel Jones, like
those three guys. Like again, if it was totally context,
lists would probably be the three candidates, and credit to
all of them. And Dak's been great and he makes
the Cowboys scary because the Cowboys right now are a
team that can definitively lose to anyone.
Speaker 5 (20:56):
When you have a defense that bad, anyone can beat you,
and can beat anyone when you haven't offense that good,
even when they're missing Cede Lamb, they can beat anyone.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
It makes them really interesting in a year. I did
not expect they would.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
Be the finally on the Eagles. I've said this before.
Sometimes in life you have a problem. It's like this
is hard to figure out why me and my wife
are fighting, and you have to go to therapy. And
then there's the problems where you're like, oh, yeah, that's easy.
The Eagles are twelve and oho since last year, when
they throw it less than twenty five times, throw the
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ball less, run more. That's always the answer. In Philadelphia,
Saquon Barkley touched at six times Sunday and they were
leading by two touchdowns. Is this the moment when Eagle
fans have to acknowledge that Siriani's been kind of writing
on the coattails of a great GM and a highly
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functional quarterback.
Speaker 4 (21:56):
So there's a lot here, man, And I'm glad you
brought up, you know, marriage counseling, because I heard the
story yesterday that Jalen Aj and Saquon got together and
hashed out what's been going on. And then I heard
the end of the report, which is the meeting lasted
for a little over two hours. And you know what
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I said, And people can get mad, and Eagle fans
can tweet this and aggregate it and say, oh, Nick's
being unfair.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
They know I'm right. Two hour meeting too long. You know,
the marriage counseling is fifty five minutes. Your whole life's
on the line. Anything that is not resolved by minute
forty five is not getting.
Speaker 4 (22:40):
Resolved minute ninety eight. So that I didn't love that report.
I was like, all right, that's first thing. Second thing
is and I'll bring up marriage again. It seems like
Kevin Petullo keeps over correcting in various directions, like when
your wife gets mad at you, it's like, you don't
buy me fly anymore, and then you bring her flowers
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every day for a week and by the end of
the week she's like, all right, enough, you're overdoing it.
I said, like, the problem was we're not passing. Were
not passing enough. So in a game you're leading, you
call two design second half runs. So the Eagles are
objectively colin an excellent team. They have an excellent roster.
They have the most expensive offense in the history of
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the NFL, and they have a top five offensive line,
a top five running back, top five.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
Receivers, and a really good quarterback.
Speaker 4 (23:34):
I don't know where you want to rank it, but
which makes it so unfathomable that in their last six
halves of football they have either had less than eight
yards rushing or eight yards passing in three.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
Of them, yeah half.
Speaker 6 (23:53):
In the last they've only played how many halves all
year to ten halves all year? And in three of
the last six they have been totally non exists on
one side, you know, in one facet of the game.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
And here is why I think it is fair to
be a little concern.
Speaker 4 (24:11):
It reminds me a bit of two years ago when
they started ten and one, but it was so angsty
and every game they won, but it was like yeah,
but yeah, but and what that led to was a
historic collapse where they went from ten to one to
losing six of their final seven and basically.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
Giving up in the playoff game.
Speaker 4 (24:34):
I don't think that's coming here for Philly, but I
do think they need to have the ability to just
have one normal offensive game, and they seem to be
struggling with that.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
Yard work is fascinating. In Manhattan. There's not a lot
of yards.
Speaker 4 (24:53):
I mean the central I'm saying, no city we've got
like we've got Listen, I'm very fortunate we have nice
little outdoor spaces here, but it's it doesn't there's we have.
I'd set the over under of plants or in this
house or on the outside at forty seven and a
half and somehow I was assigned digging them out and
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I and I kind of wanted to look at her
and be like, babe, I love you so much. But
you do know who you married, right, that's like, am
I a guy that really exudes?
Speaker 3 (25:24):
Yard work is my strength? So no, I'm still sweating.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
I don't know. I might have to We were off
the air today. We're supposed to be back tomorrow. I
might have to call in sick. I don't know if
I'm going to recover.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
This is tough.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
I tell my wife about twice a year when she
asked me to do yard work. I'm like, honey, I've
got to entertain America tomorrow excutally.
Speaker 4 (25:43):
Right, I've got to listen, and I'm simulating the economy.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
I can hire a professional to do this.
Speaker 4 (25:51):
It's their job and it helps everyone, including me.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
All Right, I'll see you, Colin. I gotta I gotta
go plant a tree in the cement.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
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fifth round pick. So the Bengals want a new quarterback.
Shadeur Sanders is now the Cleveland Browns back up to
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Dylan Gabriel. So we said Ken Pickett would get moved,
and I and we we thought that Pickett would get
moved and Gabriel and Shade would get their chances. Eventually
Flacco would start. So they've seen enough of Flacco, and uh,
you know, Flacco may give them too good of a
chance to win, so let's move him away and let's
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use the young guys. So we are a chadere senders
sighting on a field near you in the next couple
of weeks. I suppose by the.
Speaker 9 (27:29):
Way Brown's Steelers, they're calling this one of the worst
spots for Cleveland coming off London.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
No bye, no, no, it's in Pittsburgh off of by.
It's my second favorite bet of the week. I told
you I already have my blazing five.
Speaker 9 (27:42):
That's crazy.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
The Steeler game jumps off the board. Like last week
I told you the Colts.
Speaker 9 (27:47):
I'm like, remember last week the Rams jumped off the board.
The Colt did.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
The Steelers is one of two games that doesn't make sense.
The Steelers.
Speaker 9 (27:58):
It's just unfair. They get two weeks b and then
the Browns are coming off a bye with a rookie
for London with a rookie quarterback. Maybe Shadour plays this week.
Will he be miming calls when he gets to the
line of scrimmage. He's not gonna be barking. He's gonna
be miming.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
Well, if we don't have Lamar and Burrow, we need
quarterback stories of interest and that would be interesting.
Speaker 9 (28:14):
Can we not do Shador? How about this? We do
a draft of quarterbacks we don't have to talk about.
I get first pick Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
I'd like, I'd like talking about winning quarterbacks, all of them.
I may do a Daniel Jones segment next.
Speaker 9 (28:28):
Now that kid, get yeah, let's do that.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
J Mack with a news no no hear on the news.
Speaker 9 (28:35):
This is the herd line news more exciting than an
NFL trade. That's the Yankees Blue Jays Series Big One
tonight on FS one. The Yanks have been outscored twenty
three to eight in the first two games. They're facing
elimination tonight, with former Cy Young winner Shane Bieber taking
him ound for the Blue Jays. I'll take the Yanks.
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I know you want Toronto to win this.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
I don't. I don't want anything. I've said the Yankees
are an uneven team that's home run dependent, and that
means Aaron Judge is going to have to come up.
Aaron Judges had a good series, but he's gonna have
to come up in a huge spot and get a
huge hit. He hasn't proven he can do that yet.
There's a lot of stress on him. There's a lot
of Because o Tani, there's not stress. He's got Freddy
Freeman and Mookie Betts in great starting pitching and they
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field well, and they oh Tani's great. But you feel
like there's seven other guys, Max Munci, Taoscar Hernandez. You
never feel like it's the weight of the world is
on Sho Hay's shoulders. Last night it was Will Smith
and you know Blake Snell. And it's different with the Yankees.
You need Aaron Judge to hit bombs in the eighth
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inning with Tuan to win the game.
Speaker 9 (29:45):
Let me ask you for this show content and national interest.
Who do you want to advance in these two series
today on FS one Mariners Tigers, lou Ja's Yankees. Who
do you want to see advance of the next round?
Speaker 1 (29:58):
Yankees Mariners.
Speaker 9 (30:00):
Right, let's move on to the next story. I like
that Penn State. Oh my gosh, Colin, this Penn State
lost to UCLA is getting glossed over a lot. Somehow
Franklin's dodging a bullet here because the card was weak.
There's Baseball playoffs, there's NFL. I mean, listen, James Franklin
talked to the media about the state of his program.
Speaker 7 (30:17):
This sounds bleak, fair question. I believe in Penn State,
I believe in our players. I believe in the men
in the LASH building, men and women in the Lash building.
And I believe in myself. And obviously, you know, after
the last two games, we're going to get these types
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of questions.
Speaker 9 (30:38):
I get it. Fun fact, UCLA did not lead any
of their opponents at any point all season. Yeah, they
were up twenty seven to seven.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
And also changed coaches, and sometimes you put play calling
in different hands, and you have young coaches who maybe
were suppressed a little bit by the ex head coach.
You never know, but I will tell you this, their
play calling was excellent. Jerry Neuheisel, I thought, I just
thought they came out with much more energy. I watched
that game. I thought they had much more energy. Nico Iamaliava.
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They put the ball in his hands and they leaned
into his athletic ability. He was terrific.
Speaker 9 (31:17):
Colin, are you a DJ? Why are you spinning so much?
They said, there's no way to spin this. For Penn State,
this is awful. This is rock bottom. Nico. Remember the
first three weeks they were like, Oh, what a joke
that guy is. Why did he transfer? And now he
beats Penn State. I mean, Colin, I'm looking at the schedule.
Penn State still has to go to Ohio State, they
have to go to Iowa. That's not a lock. They'll
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probably win that, and they host Indiana. Indiana's pretty good.
They got an NFL quarterback. If Penn State doesn't make
the playoff, do you think Franklin gets fired? They opened
the country. I think they opened his number two in
the country, riter number.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
Now he doesn't get fired. You're having to spend so
much money on facilities, and NIL gonna buy him out.
That's why these guys, all these Lincoln Riley's in trouble
and Brian Kelly's in trouble. The NIL is saving these coaches.
You can't just buy him out anymore. You're spending twenty
five million. How many times can you go to donors
and ask him for another thirty five to forty five
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million dollars. The NIL has been the best thing all
these coaches that grumbled about it. See the big picture.
It's saving your butt.
Speaker 9 (32:23):
Let me ask you about Drew Aller.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
By the way, Franklin's buyout, My staff found out fifty million.
Speaker 9 (32:28):
That's not that's pocket change for the Penn State crowd.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
No, it's not. That's Come on, there's not a cell
phone tower within two hours of that campus in the
middle of.
Speaker 9 (32:37):
Noah Peyton take the Broncos to the playoffs after they
brought out Russell Wilson in his deal. You could do
this in college football.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Man.
Speaker 9 (32:44):
So, by the way, Drew Aller, do we want to
talk about his NFL prospects here?
Speaker 1 (32:47):
He's not a first round quarterback?
Speaker 9 (32:49):
Is he a second or third or fourth? I mean
his passing high yards this season is two hundred and nine.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
He's got the size, he's got an arm. I don't
know what's happened, but he doesn't play with a lot
of command or a lot of energy.
Speaker 9 (33:01):
He's low energy.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
Again, you watch him on the field with Dante Moore,
it's like close. But again, Dante Moore's Oregon's whole programs
about juice in them.
Speaker 9 (33:12):
There's just shades of Christian Hackenberg. You remember him.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
He's better than Christian?
Speaker 9 (33:16):
Yeah he is?
Speaker 5 (33:16):
Yeh.
Speaker 9 (33:17):
Final story, Colin, So another football weekend was crazy in
the NFL. But our staff put together this is pretty crazy.
I did not even notice this. Six teams came back
from double digit deficits to win this week. Six The
Broncos were down fourteen, Commanders were down ten, Jags down fourteen.
Last night, Panthers were down seventeen to nothing, Saints were
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down eleven, Titans were down eighteen. That is kind of insane.
Now underdogs went nine and five, not against the spread,
straight up, underdogs were barking this weekend. Is this just
the end of the favorites dominating? Is this the top
is coming back? Give me a macro analysis of how
the hell this happens.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
Well, it's an offensive league. We've got a lot of interest.
I mean, even Bryce Young, everybody critical. Bryce Young can play.
Spencer Ratler can play to some level. We go Bryce
Young can play when he's down to d Also, remember
right now, it's a very warm fall. The weather's perfect
right now. I mean's Seattle. Do you see that game? Seattle? Like, good,
take your shirt off. Perfect weather. So you have a
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very warm fall that always benefits the offense. You have
a lot of defensive players banged up. Why because defensive
players get hurt more than offensive players. So you have
a lot of thin defenses. Perfect weather. Excellent coordinator play
in the NFL. Right now, we have the most smart
offensive coordinators in the history of the league. And they're
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dialing up good plays. And the Buffalo when's the last
time you saw snow in Buffalo? They're playing New England,
and I'm like, I'm like, god, take your shirt off.
Fun night, in Buffalo. So it's good weather, good coordinators,
and a lot of banged up defenses.
Speaker 9 (34:55):
Soarrico even made a joke. He was like, it's eighty
two on the lake whatever lake is in Buffalo. Erie
on it was like eighty degrees in Buffalo. This past
week was eighty in Chicago. Where's their advance? Don't they
have like some advantage? Hmm, this is weird. Do you
back underdogs this week? You said you got your blazing
five locked? Are you going favorites or dogs?
Speaker 1 (35:14):
I like the Seilers, that's the favorite. I like there's
some dogs barking this week.
Speaker 9 (35:19):
Is that like one of these put your kids college
tuition fund on the ceiler?
Speaker 1 (35:22):
Oh, there's no such thing. I had the Chiefs last night,
and I thought I had it one.
Speaker 9 (35:26):
I have to tell you about the Jags. I did
have a great week, but you know, we can't all
be like Jamach.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
Thank god. J Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
Herd line. News Man.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
There's a lot of stuff happening a rod next hour.
It's the Herd.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
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Speaker 9 (35:54):
A huge day of college football kicks off with Big
Noons Saturday on Fox. As Phenom, You're Remiah Smith lead's
top ranked Ohio State against Illinois. Then at three thirty
it's TCU versus Case State, and under the lights at
seven thirty, Kansas takes on ninth rank Texas Tech. It
all begins with Big Noon Saturday only on Fox.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
Yeah, last weekend it didn't have a lot of big billing,
but a couple of games ended up being crazy good.
Speaker 9 (36:20):
How about my Texas Tech Red Raiders. Remember when I
said they were going to the playoffs this August? I
think I was filling in for you. A lot of
people laughed at me, Colin, they are looking good.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
Well, it's a week conference. So here's the playoff picture
as of today, and I think most of it will stand.
Pat Kansas City, I think will make the playoffs in
the AFC. Right now, for our radio audience, it's I'll
read them an order of seed Colts Bills, Steelers. Don't
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laugh at the Steelers. The rest of the divisions all
beat up Chargers, Jags, Denver and New England. I think
it holds. I I don't think the AFC South is
going to have two teams, and I trust Indianapolis over
the Jags. All of the Jags are a fun watch.
I think Kansas City makes it in eventually, and I
do think the Chargers get it right when Joe Alt
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comes back in the NFC. In the order right now,
it's Philly, San Francisco, Tampa, Detroit, Green Bay, Seattle, Minnesota.
I don't think Minnesota is going to make it take
them out, put the Rams in. I think Washington. I
don't know what to do with Washington. You were at
that game Sunday and Jayden Daniels look very good. I
don't love their roster. I would say Minnesota and Jacksonville
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I think are Gonzo. But it doesn't take long. We're
only five games into the season, and I think the
truth comes out. You know the best coaches, you know
the best quarterbacks. I mean the Chargers obviously are faulding
apart physically. San Francisco has been winning despite faulding apart physically.
Shanahan deserves Coach of the Year credit here. He's having
a great year coaching. They're asking Mac Jones until forty
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times a game with a bad old line and none.
Speaker 9 (37:59):
Of his targets. By the way, Niners are getting points
at Tampa. This who's a quarterback? Mac Jones? Are pretty
Does it matter to you?
Speaker 1 (38:08):
I would prefer the less turnover prone quarterback Mac Jones.
Speaker 9 (38:12):
The other thing Washington. As you mentioned, they are at
Chicago this week, Okay, I McLaurin. They return.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
Yeah, I thought this line was This was my This
Pittsburgh's my second favorite.
Speaker 9 (38:23):
Bet.
Speaker 1 (38:23):
I'm not going to say my first favorite till the
Blazing five. This was my third favorite beat. I like Washington.
Speaker 9 (38:29):
I think that's it. Tell people to line I'm seeing
three and a half, but I have a feeling that's
going to be going up.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
It's at Washington.
Speaker 9 (38:37):
Uh no, it's I think it's at Chicago, is it? Yeah? Interesting?
I like Washington in that show. No, No, is that
Washington Monday Night Football? Oh geez, that's slammed.
Speaker 1 (38:46):
Done at Washington Monday Night Football. The very feeling good
about themselves and also you say to yourself, well, the
Bears are off a bye. When teams that are playing
well come off a bye, it can really be helpful
to get rest. But if you're not quite right off
a bye. Does it necessarily matter?
Speaker 9 (39:07):
By the way, how did Ben Johnson and Jared Goff
do in the NFC Championship game against Dan Quinn's defense?
Not good? Washington body bagged him. Not in the NFC
playoffs last remember it was like forty five thirty one
GoF struggle. I have a feeling Caleb could be in
some trouble in this one against Washington. Defense is like
no name dudes, Bobby Wagner.
Speaker 1 (39:27):
And Justin Herbert, great pressure, all up.
Speaker 9 (39:30):
In his grill. I'm with you. I like Washington there.
And also that's Broncos in London. That's definitely well and viewing.
I don't like betting those London games. You just get
a different team. Like obviously Denver's like a five and
a half or six point favorite.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
They could beat to my thirty.
Speaker 9 (39:48):
Yeah, but they may let down after the Willy win.
Did you see Sean Payton was driving the bus around
Philadelphia like flexing the Broncos afterward.
Speaker 1 (39:54):
I'm like, well, I looked at that line and I said,
I am staying away now. I Do I think it's
a coaching match, absolutely do I think the jetsul line
will struggle to protect against Denver. Absolutely, but beating Philadelphia.
Remember a couple of years ago that everybody that played
San Francisco the next week lost. Yes, that's kind of
a stacked San Francisco team. You beat Philadelphia and you
(40:16):
have a pretty young team in Denver. Would it shock
you if they went on the road to London and
got had a.
Speaker 9 (40:22):
Little fun against a Jets team that is it is
to do and they're terrible to me, is a trap game.
In fact, the number is not as high. What's the
number on I think you said you're right five and
a half sears, So ask.
Speaker 1 (40:36):
Yourself this if you're a if you bet Denver beats
Philly and Philly dominates the second half. Jets are atrocious
and the lines five and a half.
Speaker 9 (40:48):
They see, it's weird, like all of a sudden, Bonnicks
has to cover a number as opposed to being an underdog,
a plucky underdog. Now you got to go and win
by margin.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
I don't know, so that line is that is a
trap bet.
Speaker 9 (41:00):
There's some good games I'm seeing this Seattle game, Seattle
losing to Tampa messed me up. Their defense got torch torched,
and Jacksonville has some playmakers colling. That's a Fox game now,
but remember Jacksonville. That's a long I think that's the
longest trip in the country.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
Seattle to Jacksonville, KY, short week, come off their biggest
win maybe ever. Watch Jacksonville turnover prone off their biggest win,
a day less to prepare. Seattle in a bad mood
could have won. Thinks they should have won. I like Sattle,
(41:35):
like Sam Darker and the Mariners.
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