October 9, 2025 • 41 mins
Colin talks about the possible disconnect between Raiders HC Pete Carroll and OC Chip Kelly
Then, NFL Films analyst Greg Cosell joins the show to dissect the Kansas City Chiefs’ 2-3 start, what’s slowing down Patrick Mahomes, and whether Andy Reid can turn things around
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Here we go, it's our two. We are love in
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Speaker 3 (00:37):
Five?
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Great to be in j Macgreg Cosels coming up. In
a couple of seconds, I saw something. I don't think
there's trouble in Paradise. Chip Kelly went to Ohio State
one and Natty went back to the NFL. He's now
the offensive coordinator for the Raiders. The Raiders are going
to be a fourth place team. They have Geno Smith.
Everybody predicted that. I don't think Gino's a great fit anywhere.
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He's a turnover Leyden quarterback and Pete hates that. But
Pete Carroll was talking about the run game. He wants
more of it.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
We got to run the football better, you know more.
And we're going to continue to work at it and
see if we can't continue to bring it to life.
The running game has been has looked well in order
right now. We needed to get more of them.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
That's part of it.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
That's just mixing football.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
That's how you go you do it.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
We don't want to ever rely on the quarterback has
to do the whole show and sitting in a shotgun
through the football. Never coach that way, and so we
have to mix our stuff so that we can use
our play action game.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Yeah, Pete wants Chip to run the football more. That's
why they picked Ashton Genty. That is Pete. Pete likes
defense in the run game. Geno Smith, they wanted Matt Stafford, Stafford,
Jose the Rams. I think Pete wanted Sam Donald reportedly,
not me, This is reported Tom Brady didn't want Sam Donald.
So I just think you're limited with Geno Smith. But
Pete knew him, was familiar. But you're limited. He's gonna
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throw a lot of picks and it's like a lot.
So my question with Pete is not energy. I had
no problem with a higher it's that his last few
defenses in Seattle were no good and Mike McDonald took
over and they're really good. Now, some of that's John
Snyder's draft picks, They've hitten a lot of them. But
you know, Jesse Minter shows up to an awful Chargers defense,
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it is good by week three. The next year, Mike
McDonald Seattle overnight defense is better. So there's an argument
that Pete hasn't reinvented himself defensively, and that's why he
was let go. I have no problem with Pete. I mean,
they spent most of their draft picks on offense. You know,
the TCU receivers been you know, third down guy Jenti's
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really good. Some offensive line picks that are okay. But
I think the question with the Raiders is do you
get the magic of Pete Carroll's defense, which we really
haven't seen since twenty seventeen. It's not the offense, Gino Smith,
lower your standards. It's not going to be great. Colton
Miller's hurt, brock Bauers banged up. The offense is just
going to be okay. Pete needs to get that defense.
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Humming and the Jesse Minders and Mike McDonald's have been
able to do that very very quickly. And I kind
of feel like one of the reasons Pete in the
end in Seattle. His side of the ball, And that's
where I always judge coaches, what are you doing with
your side of the ball, because I don't blame you.
If there's miss draft picks, I don't blame you. If
there's a mediocre to bad quarterback. What are you doing
with the Raiders defense? And right now, actually it's regressed
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from Antonio Pierce's defense. Some of that may be injuries,
but that's what I'm looking for with the Raiders, the
magic on the defensive side, especially in that division with
Herbert Bownicks, Peyton and Harbaugh and Andy Reid Mahomes. All right,
we go to Great Cosel forty six years NFL films.
You know, I would argue this week and people are
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pushing back. I said, you can mark it down. With
seven coordinators over the last ince since twenty seventeen, Jared
Goff is number one or number two at everything in
the NFL. Seven coordinators McVeigh, Dan Campbell, rebuilding Detroit, and
people are like, come on, Hall of Fame, and I
think some of it is. His first year was a bust,
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and the strong memories, first impressions and then Stafford's first
year in LA he won a super Bowl. It's like,
oh McVeigh punted him. But if you go to Stafford in,
Goff's numbers all right, since that trade, and remember Goff
had a rebuild for two years in Detroit, Goff's numbers
are better when you look at Detroit. Does Goff deserve
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more or less credit? Is it just about the run game?
The old liner? Do you watch golf and do you
say that's an elite quarterback?
Speaker 3 (04:45):
I would have leaned more toward that.
Speaker 5 (04:48):
I mean GoF in many ways Conin you know this
GoF is somewhat of a dinosaur the way people like
to talk about quarterbacks now, because he's a pocket quarterback.
He's not a playmate. He's not going to leave the
pocket and make those special plays. So GoF, as most
quarterbacks should be, is a function of a system. And
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he can execute a certain system at a really high level,
and he can make throws within that given system. What
he does, I believe, better than any quarterback in the
NFL is throw the ball between the numbers. He's a
window thrower, and let's say sixteen to twenty five yards,
Those are very difficult throws to make in the National
Football League, and he I think he's the best at it.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
But again he's in many respects.
Speaker 5 (05:35):
People look at the Mahomes, the Allens, the obviously Lamar,
even Burrow when he's healthy, moves around quite a bit
as a better athlete than a lot of people might think.
These are the quarterbacks we look to now, and Gof's
not that guy. He's essentially a pure pocket quarterback, but
at an extremely high level.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
So I thought Mahomes was really you know, he didn't
see Devin Lloyd. Sometimes you don't see and cluttered congested areas,
you just don't see a linebacker. And so I was
more troubled with Trevor Lawrence's fumble at the one or
his pick something. I mean, Brady threw a pick six
in a Super Bowl. Mahomes did not see Devin Lloyd.
He did not see him. But now I think the
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last two weeks with a bunch of young receivers and
new guys, I don't know what the film says. I
think Mahomes is really dialed in right now. And again,
this is not a great old line. They have no
running grade, they don't have a number one receiver, I
think he's playing exceptionally well, what's the film say?
Speaker 5 (06:35):
You know what, Colin, It's a very odd offense to
watch because there's very little rhythm and timing to the offense.
There's a lot of short throws. Those obviously have some rhythm.
When I say short throws within maybe six yards of
the line of scrimmage. Occasionally they'll take a deep shot.
There's almost no timing and rhythm intermediate passing game we
just spoke about shared goff there's none of that with
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the offense for the Chiefs, and we haven't seen that
maybe for a year a year and a half, and
then Mahomes.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
Makes special plays.
Speaker 5 (07:05):
His spatial awareness is as good as anybody we've ever seen,
his ability to move away from people, keep his eyes
downfield with unbelievable vision, maybe the best we've ever seen.
But from an offensive conceptual standpoint, you just don't see
a lot of rhythmic throws. As I said, let's say
between fifteen and twenty five yards. And I don't know why.
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I can't answer as to why you don't see that
what the issue is, but you just don't see it.
It's very much a random offense with can Mahomes make
plays and he's so good at it, and he's so
good on third down, particularly using his legs, that it's
a tough offense to defend because defenses have to change
the way they play.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
So I want to talk about Eagles Broncos, and I'll
start yeah with b Nicks, who Vic Fangio had his number.
And then in the fourth quarter between the play calling,
Bonnicks the ball out quick. Suddenly Denver got into a
rhythm and it was really pretty and it was chunk, chunk, chunk.
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What did bow Nicks and Sean Payton do in the
fourth that they couldn't do early.
Speaker 5 (08:15):
I don't know if it was so much that they
did anything dramatically different. I mean, obviously the third and
fifteen play was great. I mean that was a big
time play and that came against his own coverage. But
in the fourth quarter he also hit Cortland Sutton on
two back shoulder fades where Quinnon Mitchell had great coverage
and it was just good on good and Nick and
sudden and beating Mitchell. Those were just back shoulder That
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was match up football. You're seeing one of them right now.
They started to run the ball a little bit, which
they couldn't do early in the game. You know, Nicks
just hung in there and played. I mean I didn't
see watching that tape. I didn't come away feeling like wow,
all of a sudden boon, Nicks turned it on and
he played great. When you get in the past game
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and you know this Colin, you get matchup football. You
get schematic football where the scheme presents a clean, defined
read for the quarterback. But you also get matchup football
where it's one on one and your guy wins and
sometimes he doesn't win. I mean, Nicks made a great
throw on the second play of the game to Sudden
on a vertical rot where he got on top of
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Mitchell and Sudden dropped it. You know, so these things
happen as well. But So's he's a tough cover and
they put Mitchell on him in sudden one in the
fourth quarter.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
So Philadelphia is not doing anything particularly well. So let's
just let's just concentrate on this. I would argue, you know,
week one, they didn't even throw to aj Brown, But
in the last four weeks he's getting as many targets
statistically as justin Jefferson. So they're trying to get in
the ball and it's still not working. Rams the exception.
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So why don't Aj and Jalen Hurts work consistently Because
they're trying. The targets tell you they're trying.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
Well.
Speaker 5 (10:02):
First of all, let's start with what they have to
be based on what the quarterback is and what he isn't,
which they know in the building. By the way, the
quarterback has limitations in terms of where he can throw
the ball effectively.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
He's very good throwing it outside the numbers.
Speaker 5 (10:15):
We saw that in the Rams game a few weeks
ago when starting in the second half they did go
one oh one to Aj Brown versus the Rams corners,
who are not high level corners. But one thing Jalen
Hurts has never done particularly well. He's not a window throw.
He doesn't throw the ball between the numbers, as I
said we were talking earlier, fifteen to twenty five yards.
In fact, he's got the fewest attempts of any quarterback
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in the league throwing the ball between fifteen and twenty
five yards between the numbers.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
He doesn't see the game that way.
Speaker 5 (10:44):
They have to be a running football team, and right
now they're not running the ball at all.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
And the old line is hurt.
Speaker 5 (10:50):
It's banged up, and it's not played anywhere near as
well as it has the last three four years when
it was arguably the best in the league. I mean,
they gave the ball to Barkley five times in the
first half last week in a game they were winning,
and in the second half they gave it to him
one time. They have to be a running football team.
They are not a passing team. Even last year winning
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a Super Bowl, they were not a passing team. Jalen
Hurts had ten games last year Colin Wood. He threw
for less than two hundred yards. One of the best,
not the best. One of the best things about Hurtz
is he never turns it over. That's critical for how
they play. But as far as the passing game, it
has limitations. You know this, Every coach plays to his quarterback.
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So when you watch a team and see what they do,
think about what they do and then think about the quarterback.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
So there are fifteen quarterbacks right now in the NFL
with a passer rating over one hundred. There were six
two years.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
That's a lie.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
Yeah, So I think there's a lot of good offensive coaches.
I think there's a lot of zone. So for a
lot of these veteran guys like a Darnold or a
Baker or a Dack, you know, it's a throw it
to a spot Jared Goff and they're really good at
that very much as a right, right, But I mean,
Dak's pretty amazing. CD's out. I would argue they don't
even have a dependable number two receiver. It's more threes,
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they're tight end's okay. O line still feels like to me,
it's it's a little patchwork and it's okay. The film
may say something different. The run game is fine, it's
not special, And here's Dak putting up big numbers with
a bunch of kind of number three receivers and solid
tight ends. Not special. I mean, all these years and
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all these snaps, we didn't love the staff that was hired. Well,
maybe they're better than we thought. But what does the
film say on Dak because is there a quarterback in
the league doing more without special surrounding talent.
Speaker 5 (12:47):
Well, I think what Dak and we talked about this.
I remember we had this discussion two three years ago.
What Dak has evolved into as he's advanced in his
career and had a number of leg injuries. Is he
is an efficient distributor of football. He's a ball distributor,
He's an executor. He's very very good at it. That's
what his game is. And when you put him with
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a Brian Schottennheim, who's actually very good orchestrating an offense,
you get an efficient pass game. But the one place
where I might disagree with you a little bit is
I think their run game has been better than you think.
Javonte Williams is starting to look more like he did
coming out of North Carolina when he was in his
first year with the Broncos before all the leg injuries.
He's I think fourth or fifth in the league in rushing.
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He's pretty high up and he's averaging coast to six
yards of carry.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
And their run game now is very, very viable.
Speaker 5 (13:37):
It's a meaningful, significant part of what they do offensively.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Okay, I want to talk about, first of all, a
quarterback who I liked a lot who has grown quickly,
and then a team I like a lot that I
think the people are surprised by. So let's start with
Drake may Listen, I predicted they'd make the playoffs. I'm
a huge fan of rabel right. Let me be clear,
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I like Drake May a lot, but in the last
two to three weeks he's taken it to a different level.
And I still don't think they have elite personnel. I
like their backs, but I don't think they have elite
offensive personnel. Something has clicked. What is it?
Speaker 5 (14:19):
Well, it's funny because I actually think he's played this
way from week one. It's just they won a couple
of games recently and then makes it appear that he's
playing better. I think right from the beginning of this season, Colin,
he's been outstanding in areas you never expect a second
year quarterback to be good at. That's on third down.
He's been outstanding on third down. He's been outstanding versus pressure,
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and they're starting to throw the ball more on first down,
which is always the best down to throw because you
get much more predictable front looks, you get more predictable
coverage looks, you just get a better feel for the
quarterback when you call plays and it's first and ten
or normal down in distance situations. So I would argue,
and I agree with you one hundred percent. I think
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he's been really good from week one. It's just had
a big win on national TV on the road in
a very difficult place to play when he was really,
really efficient. So it just made it seem like he's
playing better recently. But I think he's played like this
since week one.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
So a team that and in this league when I
had text an occasional general manager, is that you can
do so many things right as a GM, but if
you don't have the quarterback right. People for years have
been on Chris Ballard in Indy and I've been saying
I followed the draft. I like their roster. I think
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it's good. I think they have good weapons. I think
they're O line. You can tell me about the film says,
but I think their O line is way above average.
And all of a sudden they get Daniel Jones playing well,
and I'm like, Okay, they've had the roster, had they
had the Rams beat two weeks ago, They've got the players.
But I think all of us are holding our breath
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on Daniel Jones. It just he looks a little stronger,
he looks more confident, his body language is better. What
is it with Stiching and Daniel Jones, Because I don't
think it's one of these, you know September early October
runs that Ryan Fitzpatrick had, you know, a couple of those.
It's like, no, I think this is going to last.
I think Daniel's pretty good now.
Speaker 5 (16:22):
I think Colin this speaks to the marriage of coaching
and quarterback play, which I've just come to believe is
so so important because when I watch this team, I
see Shane Stike and really presenting Jones with his route concepts,
with a lot of clean, define reads, so he's comfortable
turning the ball loose to the primary receiver. And one
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thing for people to notice with Daniel Jones is rarely,
and you saw this a lot with the Giants obviously,
but you rarely see him get stuck in the pocket
where it seems as if he has nowhere to throw
the football.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
He drops back.
Speaker 5 (16:56):
And he's decisive, and he's decisive because the receiver that
he looks at first, the primary, is available to him.
And I think that the scheming of an offense, of
a pass game, the way a coach calls a game
throughout the game, has so much to do with quarterbacks.
You know, when we see a quarterback throw to a
relatively open receiver and Jones.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
Has done a lot of that this year.
Speaker 5 (17:19):
We always say that's great quarterback play, but really he's
being set up for great quarterback play. And I think
the marriage has been outstanding and Jones has been so good,
especially on first down, where again we just spoke about
that they are really really good throwing the ball on
first down.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
There are two teams in this league that I like
a lot, and they're both very young, green Bay and Seattle.
And green Bay, as young teams are prone to do,
green Bay is struggling to figure out how to close
out games against inferior teams. Cleveland, Dallas. Seattle young teams
second youngest offense couldn't close it out although they were
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on the door step against the Niners, and they couldn't
close it out against Tampa. So I think Green Band
Seattle are very good. They may be a year away.
I don't think the Packers are. But when you watch
Sam Darnald and those losses to San Francisco or Tampa,
does it make you think, oh, turnovers not quite good
at same old Sam? Or are you watching? Are you
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watching Sam and you're thinking this is an elite top
ten twelve quarterback?
Speaker 5 (18:27):
I would look ten more toward what you just said
at the end of that. You know that interception he
threw last week, that was a classic Todd Bowles pressure
and they got in clean, Winfield got in clean, and
then he threw and hit the helmet of a defensive lineman.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
Now, I don't know if it would have been complete.
Speaker 5 (18:43):
Otherwise it probably wouldn't have been, but it probably wouldn't
have been an interception. But Donald, you know, you know Darnald,
and you know you've always liked him. He's a big,
physical guy. He throws the ball really well. Again, you're
dealing now with a system where he seems more decisive
than ever.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
And that's the key for him.
Speaker 5 (19:00):
Because he's not most quarterbacks, but it's more true of
some than others, and it's true of Darnold. The longer
he stays in the pocket, the worse he is. So
you have to design your system and your route concepts
against anticipated coverages so that he can hit that back
foot and deliver the football. So they've been able to
do that really, really well, and he's performed I think,
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at a really high level. And the other important point, Colin,
he's only been sacked six times in five games.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
They're O line this year.
Speaker 5 (19:31):
Charles Cross at the left tackle, a top ten pick,
is clearly having the best year of his career.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
Yeah, he came out highly coveted. All Right, we're gonna
we're gonna last next couple of minutes to wrap it up,
we're gonna talk Baker Mayfield. Right, So, I mean, let's
face at Tampa is a big playoffense and they're doing
it with this unbelievable rookie. But there what I like
about Baker is Baker's always had great confidence and trusted himself.
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And now even without Mike Evans or Bucky Irving, He's
got some weapons at BUCA. Looks like Rookie of the
Year stuff. He's a sensational talent. So this was one
of the best most entertaining games in the last couple
of years. It was an epic. It was an electric
game on a beautiful Pacific Northwest Sunday. What did you
see from Baker?
Speaker 5 (20:18):
Well, I think what there were tending completions in the
whole game by both quarterbacks.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
It was crazy.
Speaker 5 (20:24):
Baker's at the point in his career where he's incredibly
decisive because he throws and I know we've talked about
this over the years. He throws a great ball, a
way better ball than people might think because he's not
a big, imposing looking guy like he's not like Jared
Goff who just looks big and imposing. But he has
a really good arm, throws a great ball. He's always
been very aggressive throwing it too, with that mindset that
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he has. And as you get older, I think he
just knows just from playing, just from experience, you know,
getting more and more at back, so to speak, he
just has a better feel for when I can turn
it loose when and I don't have to turn it loose,
but he turns it loose when necessary. And he's got
a big arm, and he can make really difficult throws,
and he doesn't shy away from any difficult throw when
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the situation demands it. And again, I think he's now
with the same system, even though Liam Cohen isn't there.
It's essentially the same system as it was, and you
can tell he's extremely comfortable. And there are certain throws
always that stand out to me where it's a combination
of scheme and the throw. And if you want, we
can go right to the play that I want to
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show because I think this is a really good example
of it. So let's take a look at Baker from this.
This is from last week, and as I said, this
is just a really good combination of scheme and a
really good throw that just seems like, oh, he's open,
but it's not quite that simple. So we're going to
see him under center. And by the way, we don't
see a lot of quarterbacks under center, so it's the
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fact that he's under center is a big deal. And
it's what we call it three by one set. You
have three receivers to the wide side of the field
and that's Abuka up top is what we call the
boundary X. The single receiver to the short side of
the field. Now, what's he looking at Baker? Initially two
high safeties, but that's going to change. Now what they're
going to call here, and you're seeing more and more
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of this in the league call in motion.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
You're seeing motion.
Speaker 5 (22:17):
Shepherd is going to cross the formation and what jet
action whatever people want to call it, and then he's
going to release inside of Abuca. Now, notice that the
coverage has changed. It is now covered three, So it
went from too high to cover three, and Baker turns.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
His back a little bit because it's play action.
Speaker 5 (22:35):
So what you're going to get here is Shepherd the
motion receiver, running a vertical route, and you're going to
get a Buka running essentially a wheel route. So it's
two vertical routes. And what this is going to do
is it's going to put the corner. I think it's
Josh job here who's actually become a very good player,
but it's going to put him in conflict because you
can see his body is turned towards Shepherd running that
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vertical route because he knows that his safety is coming
from the other side. So now with his body turned
that way, he cannot play the wheel route at all
by Abuka. It's just he's in conflict. It's just too hard.
And then so what happens is you get a Buka
running the wheel in the deep third of the corner.
That's his responsibility, but he can't get there. Now, this
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is not an easy throw, by the way, because he
has to throw it over the top of that underneath defender,
which you're going to see here. So it might look
easy because it looks like a Buka is wide open, but.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
It's not easy.
Speaker 5 (23:32):
So again, this is just a perfect example again of
scheming and making good throws. And I think ultimately the
good passing games are about that.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Yep. Greg Cosel Thursday as Oola's we get smarter. Thanks Greg,
Thanks Colin and Mecca. Abuka is currently a sizeable favorite
to an Offensive Rookie of the Year and he went
to go nineteenth from FA my GM Jason, who's just
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done a terrific job in Tampa for a long time.
Speaker 6 (24:03):
I think at Mike Evans back soon, Bucky Irving will
be back.
Speaker 7 (24:06):
That's a dangerous Tampa.
Speaker 6 (24:07):
I mean, I can't see him in the super Bowl,
but they're gonna be contenders.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
You know, there are certain things. They have a good
enough O line. There are certain things that really matter
in January football. You know, like speed is always important,
but Miami was really fast. Speed's less important in January. Efficiency.
Power becomes because it's bad weather and it's windy, and
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you need like tough, resilient, physical, powerful players. That's why,
you know, you start looking at teams that win and
players that really become hallmark players. What's great about Abuca
is you can run him deep or you can run
him underneath. He can do multiple patterns he's not your
classic really fast. If he was fast, he would have
been a top seven pick because his game was flawless.
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But he's not a burner. He's just a total route tree,
mature adult. He's one of those guys like Homer on
Saint Brown rookie year. You're like, you think he's thirty three,
no diva, all grown up.
Speaker 7 (25:10):
You don't expect a lot of that.
Speaker 6 (25:11):
Strangely, the biggest question with Tampa might be their MVP candidate.
Speaker 8 (25:16):
Colin.
Speaker 7 (25:16):
I know, we love Baker. He's having a great year.
Speaker 6 (25:18):
He's among the league leaders in turnover worthy place, and
you know, so far they've broken his way. They're winning
games at the book buzzer by three, Colin, we know
at some point that is going to stop. And what
happens when they're losing those coin flip games not as dangerous.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
This was gonna be a positive Baker, Dad, I was
doing my best. You're really pivotal to the negativity right there.
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Speaker 7 (26:26):
This is the herd Line News, all right, Colin.
Speaker 6 (26:30):
Unfortunately, let's go back to the Blue Jays and there
win over the Yankees five to last night, eliminating the
once dominant Yankees from the postseason.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
But what year was that?
Speaker 6 (26:41):
I don't know if I can even read this. New
York wasn't even competitive in the final in the first
two games, getting out scored twenty three eight. The Yankees
now have a sixteen season championship drought, the third longest
in franchise history.
Speaker 7 (26:55):
Aaron Judge did his part as well.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
He hit very very well, yet he had a big moment.
He did, he did his part, but again they're totally
relying on him, just like last year. Garrett Cole doesn't
pitch against the Dodgers. They don't, they don't, they don't compete,
So they're just they're very top heavy. You know, they've
spent a lot of money and they've had the same
people in that front office for a long time.
Speaker 7 (27:16):
I heard Jeter say that, and I was like.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
The Steinbrenners are very comfortable with good.
Speaker 7 (27:22):
Are you comfortable with good?
Speaker 1 (27:23):
Well, if I spend as much money as the Yankees did,
I would argue they're not spending it as wisely as
Milwaukee or Seattle. Now, Seattle's going to get expensive here.
They got some guys in arbitration. So Seattle right now
is young in ascending, but they're on the cheap. They
won't be for long. But not everybody has the Dodgers payroll.
But you know, the Mets underachieved. I see the Mets underachieved.
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I don't think the Yankees underachieved. I think he could
be worse. You could be the Mets. Well, no, no,
if Garrett Cole was healthy with Max Free, I don't
know if you'd have won this series, but you'd be
a different looking team. You'd have two strong pitchers and
a couple of big power hitters. You're still not very
good defensively, you don't run the base as well, you
can't play small ball, you're uneven. But a lot of
this has Garrett Cole got hurt. Okay, now you now
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you're not the same team, and I think that you
know it's it's that's a big part of the sport.
Speaker 6 (28:13):
So do you want to relish in some Blue Jays
sound from last night?
Speaker 1 (28:16):
Or sure, let's go. I want to hear it. Hear it, Dali, Dali.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Yacke, let's go. Let's go.
Speaker 7 (28:33):
All right, we can put a bow in the season.
Now you heard your lad.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
Toronto, no bow.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
They're just on the wrapping in the president.
Speaker 6 (28:40):
Let's move on to the NFL to uh uh one
of your favorite quarterbacks.
Speaker 7 (28:44):
Man, he's getting a lot of heat on social media.
Speaker 6 (28:46):
I'm at the dolphins terrible start the loss to the Panthers.
Toua was asked by the Miami media about how he
deals with outside noise. Gotta say love this answer, Colin.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
I'm not on social media, Like I don't have any
of that.
Speaker 7 (29:01):
And then outside of that, like I go home, I
see my kids. Whether I throw five picks or five touchdowns, we.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
Win the game, we lose the game.
Speaker 7 (29:12):
I get to come home to my kids who are
happy to see me every time.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
Yeah, he's got his life center.
Speaker 6 (29:17):
That's the reality in life. Well, when you're a quarterback,
just a football player, he's a father.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
I know that. That sounds great.
Speaker 7 (29:27):
That's the reality.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
Well, I mean it's like, don't don't be You can't
be defined by your job. If you think Tom Brady,
you think quarterback, and you think Kobe Bryant, you think
basketball player. That is, when you are president, you're not
defined by your kids as much you're president. That's a
reality of jobs. I think what he said is wonderful.
I think it makes everybody feel warm and fuzzy. But
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the truth is, when you get paid a lot and
you're a professional athlete and the quarterback, you know your GM,
your coach, your owner, your fans, the people want you
to win a lot of games, and so you're gonna
get heat. I think it's great that he's centered, but
I'm not surprised he's centered. He's always been that kind
of guy. He's always a smart he's a big, broad,
smart guy, got convicted religious conviction, and he's always been
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a very balanced, good human being. But again again it's
what he said is true. But being a quarterback, part
of it is dealing with heat. It's hard, it is.
Speaker 6 (30:23):
And that's how he deals with it. He avoids social media.
Well that's smart, that's super nonsense. That's the dealing with
the heat from fans whatever.
Speaker 7 (30:31):
Like, hey, you get you.
Speaker 6 (30:32):
Never want to get too high, never want to get
too low. Yes, you lose to the panther say, man,
that's bad, that's not great. You know what they beat
the Jets two weeks ago?
Speaker 3 (30:39):
Was that great?
Speaker 7 (30:40):
I mean, like, I don't know. I mean I kind
of like what you was saying.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
No, I think it has absolutely redeemable value. I think
he's right, and I think he's centered. But it is
sports is cruel. It's demanding quarterbacks be thirty eight years
old when they break into the league. You've got to
be an adult. You are the CEO on the field,
and it's hard and the criticism's harsh. And uh, I'm
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glad that too, was centered because it is brutal.
Speaker 6 (31:06):
Chief's fifteen and two last year and Patrick Mahomes ended
the season getting his butt kicked by.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
The Eagles and criticized, criticized heavily.
Speaker 7 (31:13):
They went fifteen to two. Like, boy, you get win
the Super Bowl every year? Nobody Tom Brady didn't do that.
Speaker 6 (31:18):
Final story, Colin is the forty nine Ers quarterback room?
My goodness, what is going on? So brock perty did
not practice yesterday, still nursing that toe injury. Oh they're
saying mac Jones is going to start, but he got
dinged up. Remember against the Rams, They're they're calling it
a knee and an oblique. Mac is undefeated, but this
could be a tall order against the Bucks. They got
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extra time off. I'm seeing Juwan Jennings unlikely, pearsall unlikely.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
Is this going to be the eye this week?
Speaker 7 (31:50):
I know I was waiting for the injury report. I'm
trying to text the headline guy. Could we back off
the Niners?
Speaker 1 (31:55):
How do you injure a knee at practice? I mean
at quarterback?
Speaker 6 (31:59):
Well, if you do, you see the way he got
like drilled into the ground and his both of his
legs kind.
Speaker 7 (32:03):
Of moved funny.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
So it wasn't it practice? No, no, no, okay, I
thought my bat I thought it got hurt at practice.
Speaker 6 (32:09):
I mean, he's just limited with it. He's banged up.
You know, Macenroe, Jones, your guy. I had, like the
Niners here, if this touches three and a half, you know,
give me Shanahan all day.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
All right, Yeah, you're just you just can't commit. The
Baker in the Bucks.
Speaker 6 (32:24):
I like him, but they they're just they're getting lucky
every week.
Speaker 7 (32:27):
You have to admit that at the end of games.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
No, I didn't think last week was luck. I thought
it was great, Cordy.
Speaker 7 (32:32):
I've all, they kick a field goal.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
Well, they got a great classic Todd Bowles blitz call
and Baker was unbelievable.
Speaker 6 (32:39):
Wait, didn't the ball didn't Sam Darnold's pass go off
like a helmet and it.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
Was just like a congested and that that that created
that chaos was created by Todd Bowles. There's no such
thing as winning lucky in the NFL. That's that words nonsense.
Speaker 7 (32:54):
You don't think fumble luck is a thing?
Speaker 1 (32:56):
Yeah, but it goes both ways.
Speaker 7 (32:58):
It does, and everything's going campaspate.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
Okay, I don't think it is. Yeah, I'm gonna disagree
with that. J Mack with the.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
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Speaker 1 (33:09):
We know we had done all week. We haven't looked
at the schedule and kind of made our called our
upset chet. We usually at this time, it's Thursday, we
usually go out and say, okay, there's your up.
Speaker 6 (33:19):
So we've been pretty good at this. We're locked in
on baseball right now. I mean, we're not time for
this guy. We got to go over Brewers lineup card.
I mean, have you seen it.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
Today or no, I haven't. I'm going home today cleaning
the apartment and they're watching the Phillies Dodgers in the afternoon.
There is nothing better.
Speaker 6 (33:34):
Big night for Philadelphia sports. Right you got Phillies and
it's a huge night.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
Huge.
Speaker 7 (33:39):
I got to call in six tomorrow in Philadelphia.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
They're throwing, aren't there? Aren't they throwing their ace Phillies.
This I'm telling you right now, watch out tonight. Watch
out because last night they didn't do anything at the top.
Dodgers didn't do anything at the top of their order.
Watch out, Dodger fans. This is not over. Like you
can you can feel the Brewers Cubs is over. Before
it's over, I said yesterday the Jays were going to
beat the Yankees. The starting pitching could not get them out.
Speaker 7 (34:04):
Is oh Tani? He would go Game five?
Speaker 1 (34:06):
Right? I think so?
Speaker 7 (34:08):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (34:09):
But I think the Dodgers Phillies, Phillies would it would?
I picked him to win. It would not shock me
if they came back real quick. Different the pressures on
the Dodgers in the game five. Right now, Philadelphia is
coming in loose and free.
Speaker 7 (34:23):
How about the Phillies jerseys last night?
Speaker 6 (34:24):
Old, it might be the coolest jerseys and old they're
up there with those padres ones from the eighties, you know, because.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
Do you remember? You don't remember, but.
Speaker 6 (34:33):
I had the baseball cards with Mike Schmidt.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
How would I tell you the lineup for the Phillies
back in the seventies. How about no, Greg Lizinski, Baked McBride,
Larry Bowa, Dave Cash, Mike Schmidt.
Speaker 6 (34:45):
Schmidty, everybody knows Smitty. I think those other names are
just made up. You're just coming up with, like Harold
Smith at.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
The hot quarter. Bake McBride used to used to choke
up on his bat. Greg Lizinski the bowl batting fourth,
Mike Schmidt batted third. Pete Row came over.
Speaker 6 (35:00):
Eventually, we gotta get you on Jeopardy or something with this.
Seventies baseball, the old.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
Very reluctant, quiet Steve Carlton who would only cash with
Tim McCarver. Geezhi, A lot of you guys were out
there socializing. I was home memorizing baseball lineups in the seventies.
I was doing prep for The Herd when I was
like nine. Oh my goodness, it's the Herd.
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Speaker 6 (35:34):
A huge day of college football kicks off with Big
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ranked Ohios date against Illinois. Then at three thirty it's
TCU versus Case State, and under the Lights. At seven
point thirty, Kansas takes on ninth drank Texas Tech.
Speaker 7 (35:52):
It all begins with Big Noon Saturday, only on Fox.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
I'm telling you there's a big game this weekend. Keep
your eye on USC Michigan. This is a defining game.
USC already lost Illinois. They have to go to Notre
Dame and Oregon. They're not beating Oregon in Oatson, they
can compete. I think with Notre Dame. Although the car
of the quarterbacks playing out of his mind, I'm gonna
take USC close. I'm just telling you. Lincoln's offense is fine.
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But and I don't buy any of this. All these
big ten coach or these PAC twelve coaches, Oh the
travel and big ten coach, Oh the travel. Oh, get
over it. You have four roadies a year. Get over it.
I feel bad for the volleyball team that you know.
I mean, like some of these secondary teams that are
never in class that have to play like multiple games football.
He got four road games. The USC doesn't play road
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games at a conference much. He got four roadies. I
mean Washington had to go to Maryland. Well, you just
hosted Ohio State. So I don't want to hear about that.
But the criticism of Lincoln Roddy that's fair, is since
he's been at USC and at Oklahoma that he has
developed power run games. But the defenses aren't good. That
was a knock at Oklahoma. They weren't phys Brett Venables
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got hired and said, we need to be a catalyst
of change. Physically, we're not very good physically this game
against Michigan. If they lose and get pushed around, there's
no turning back from this. This is your opportunity to
change a narrative for a football program in LA.
Speaker 6 (37:17):
And ask you Oregon Indiana. I know it's not on
everybody's radar. It's like the third or fourth best game.
But sharpest college football guy no tells me Indiana is
to play here getting seven and a half for eight.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
How come Indiana know them good enough? How come Indiana
can be a six point dog at Outson. That's what
Ole Miss would be. But we view old misses up
here and we view Indiana sec gets the benefit of
the doubt. Yeah, okay, Indiana is old miss that the
line is telling you Ole Miss had played on a
neutral field. Indiana ol Miss a favorite by one, one
(37:49):
and a half because go look at the Oregon line.
Now at Ogsen Stadium, Indiana is a viable dog.
Speaker 7 (37:55):
I thought it would go up to eight. I was waiting.
But this kid, Mendoza, like he's six five. I looked
the part.
Speaker 6 (38:01):
This is his chance to like put his name in
the conversation for the NFL draft.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
Okay, so Urban Myers on tomorrow to talk about these games. Indiana,
Oregon is really interesting, USC Michigan is really interesting. So
it is funny about Baker Mayfield because of my history
with Baker Mayfield. But Tom Brady this week he does
a top ten. Brady is on the Baker train.
Speaker 3 (38:25):
Here it is the Bucks come in at number three.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
They go on the road to Seattle. Does anyone know
how hard it is to play there?
Speaker 6 (38:33):
And I see you.
Speaker 3 (38:34):
Baker talking that.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
You go, man, you play like that.
Speaker 3 (38:36):
You can always talk there.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
So he has him at number three. I had him
at number two behind Detroit. Listen, Generally, I don't like
my quarterback jawing with fans. I don't think it's really
an adult move. But I do think you have to
be honest with Baker, and that is his personality. It's
who he is. He's not the tallest, he's not the
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most athletic. A lot of his special is he's got
a really good arm. He does a beautiful deep ball.
He's athletic enough. Here's Greg Co selling what he's seeing
with Baker.
Speaker 5 (39:13):
Baker's at the point in his career where he's incredibly
decisive because he throws.
Speaker 3 (39:18):
And I know we've talked about this over the years.
Speaker 5 (39:20):
He throws a great ball, a way better ball than
people might think because he's not a big, imposing looking guy.
He's always been very aggressive throwing it too, with that
mindset that he has. And as you get older, I
think he just knows just from playing, just from experience,
you know, getting more and more at bat so to speak,
he just has a better feel for when I can
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turn it loose, and he can make really difficult throws.
And he doesn't shy away from any difficult throw in
the situation demands it.
Speaker 1 (39:50):
And for the record, a lot of our best quarterbacks
have been a little reckless. FARV Lway would throw it
into traffic far and Aaron Rodgers was one of the
first where you got the upside with no downside. Mahomes upside,
no downside. Josh Allen could used to be reckless. I mean,
you know, Brady was never a big interception guy. But
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Tom would let it loose, Andrew Luck, Joe Namath. You
go back, a lot of our best quarterbacks, they can
go sideways, they can take big shots. So I mean,
I I'm not gonna I don't want somebody that's not willing.
It's the old Bill Parcells was always like, if you're
not throwing occasional interceptions, I don't want safe guy. You've
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gotta you've got to throw it down the field. That
doesn't mean Bill Parcells was rooting for interceptions. But if
you're going nine for nine at practice every day and
you're in your you know, your red zone drills, you're
probably throwing it underneath constantly, like you gotta let it rip,
you gotta let it go. And and again, I don't
want Alex Smith to let it rip because he didn't
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have a huge arm. He knew what he could do.
Baker's got a big boy arm. Arnold's got a big arm.
Farv had a big arm. You almost owe it to yourself.
If you've got a great arm. Josh Allen's got a
great arm, you owe it to yourself to let it rip.
Alex Smith didn't. I don't want you taking those chances.
Matt Ryan didn't, Okay, I don't want you taking I mean,
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I don't think Jalen Hurts has a huge arm. I
want the underneath stuff. But if you got it, you
got the talent, let it rip. And Baker does, and yeah,
he's gonna have more turnover worthy plays. I can live
with it. I really can't. Brady's won Super Bowls where
I threw a pick six, and he's lost Super Bowls
Philadelphia where he was virtually perfect. Gotta make plays, Phil Simms,
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Here we go, it's our two. We are love in
Los Angeles Dodgers Phillies this afternoon, will we go to
a game?
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Five?
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Great to be in j Macgreg Cosels coming up. In
a couple of seconds, I saw something. I don't think
there's trouble in Paradise. Chip Kelly went to Ohio State
one and Natty went back to the NFL. He's now
the offensive coordinator for the Raiders. The Raiders are going
to be a fourth place team. They have Geno Smith.
Everybody predicted that. I don't think Gino's a great fit anywhere.
(01:01):
He's a turnover Leyden quarterback and Pete hates that. But
Pete Carroll was talking about the run game. He wants
more of it.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
We got to run the football better, you know more.
And we're going to continue to work at it and
see if we can't continue to bring it to life.
The running game has been has looked well in order
right now. We needed to get more of them.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
That's part of it.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
That's just mixing football.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
That's how you go you do it.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
We don't want to ever rely on the quarterback has
to do the whole show and sitting in a shotgun
through the football. Never coach that way, and so we
have to mix our stuff so that we can use
our play action game.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Yeah, Pete wants Chip to run the football more. That's
why they picked Ashton Genty. That is Pete. Pete likes
defense in the run game. Geno Smith, they wanted Matt Stafford, Stafford,
Jose the Rams. I think Pete wanted Sam Donald reportedly,
not me, This is reported Tom Brady didn't want Sam Donald.
So I just think you're limited with Geno Smith. But
Pete knew him, was familiar. But you're limited. He's gonna
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throw a lot of picks and it's like a lot.
So my question with Pete is not energy. I had
no problem with a higher it's that his last few
defenses in Seattle were no good and Mike McDonald took
over and they're really good. Now, some of that's John
Snyder's draft picks, They've hitten a lot of them. But
you know, Jesse Minter shows up to an awful Chargers defense,
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it is good by week three. The next year, Mike
McDonald Seattle overnight defense is better. So there's an argument
that Pete hasn't reinvented himself defensively, and that's why he
was let go. I have no problem with Pete. I mean,
they spent most of their draft picks on offense. You know,
the TCU receivers been you know, third down guy Jenti's
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really good. Some offensive line picks that are okay. But
I think the question with the Raiders is do you
get the magic of Pete Carroll's defense, which we really
haven't seen since twenty seventeen. It's not the offense, Gino Smith,
lower your standards. It's not going to be great. Colton
Miller's hurt, brock Bauers banged up. The offense is just
going to be okay. Pete needs to get that defense.
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Humming and the Jesse Minders and Mike McDonald's have been
able to do that very very quickly. And I kind
of feel like one of the reasons Pete in the
end in Seattle. His side of the ball, And that's
where I always judge coaches, what are you doing with
your side of the ball, because I don't blame you.
If there's miss draft picks, I don't blame you. If
there's a mediocre to bad quarterback. What are you doing
with the Raiders defense? And right now, actually it's regressed
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from Antonio Pierce's defense. Some of that may be injuries,
but that's what I'm looking for with the Raiders, the
magic on the defensive side, especially in that division with
Herbert Bownicks, Peyton and Harbaugh and Andy Reid Mahomes. All right,
we go to Great Cosel forty six years NFL films.
You know, I would argue this week and people are
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pushing back. I said, you can mark it down. With
seven coordinators over the last ince since twenty seventeen, Jared
Goff is number one or number two at everything in
the NFL. Seven coordinators McVeigh, Dan Campbell, rebuilding Detroit, and
people are like, come on, Hall of Fame, and I
think some of it is. His first year was a bust,
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and the strong memories, first impressions and then Stafford's first
year in LA he won a super Bowl. It's like,
oh McVeigh punted him. But if you go to Stafford in,
Goff's numbers all right, since that trade, and remember Goff
had a rebuild for two years in Detroit, Goff's numbers
are better when you look at Detroit. Does Goff deserve
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more or less credit? Is it just about the run game?
The old liner? Do you watch golf and do you
say that's an elite quarterback?
Speaker 3 (04:45):
I would have leaned more toward that.
Speaker 5 (04:48):
I mean GoF in many ways Conin you know this
GoF is somewhat of a dinosaur the way people like
to talk about quarterbacks now, because he's a pocket quarterback.
He's not a playmate. He's not going to leave the
pocket and make those special plays. So GoF, as most
quarterbacks should be, is a function of a system. And
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he can execute a certain system at a really high level,
and he can make throws within that given system. What
he does, I believe, better than any quarterback in the
NFL is throw the ball between the numbers. He's a
window thrower, and let's say sixteen to twenty five yards,
Those are very difficult throws to make in the National
Football League, and he I think he's the best at it.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
But again he's in many respects.
Speaker 5 (05:35):
People look at the Mahomes, the Allens, the obviously Lamar,
even Burrow when he's healthy, moves around quite a bit
as a better athlete than a lot of people might think.
These are the quarterbacks we look to now, and Gof's
not that guy. He's essentially a pure pocket quarterback, but
at an extremely high level.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
So I thought Mahomes was really you know, he didn't
see Devin Lloyd. Sometimes you don't see and cluttered congested areas,
you just don't see a linebacker. And so I was
more troubled with Trevor Lawrence's fumble at the one or
his pick something. I mean, Brady threw a pick six
in a Super Bowl. Mahomes did not see Devin Lloyd.
He did not see him. But now I think the
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last two weeks with a bunch of young receivers and
new guys, I don't know what the film says. I
think Mahomes is really dialed in right now. And again,
this is not a great old line. They have no
running grade, they don't have a number one receiver, I
think he's playing exceptionally well, what's the film say?
Speaker 5 (06:35):
You know what, Colin, It's a very odd offense to
watch because there's very little rhythm and timing to the offense.
There's a lot of short throws. Those obviously have some rhythm.
When I say short throws within maybe six yards of
the line of scrimmage. Occasionally they'll take a deep shot.
There's almost no timing and rhythm intermediate passing game we
just spoke about shared goff there's none of that with
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the offense for the Chiefs, and we haven't seen that
maybe for a year a year and a half, and
then Mahomes.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
Makes special plays.
Speaker 5 (07:05):
His spatial awareness is as good as anybody we've ever seen,
his ability to move away from people, keep his eyes
downfield with unbelievable vision, maybe the best we've ever seen.
But from an offensive conceptual standpoint, you just don't see
a lot of rhythmic throws. As I said, let's say
between fifteen and twenty five yards. And I don't know why.
(07:28):
I can't answer as to why you don't see that
what the issue is, but you just don't see it.
It's very much a random offense with can Mahomes make
plays and he's so good at it, and he's so
good on third down, particularly using his legs, that it's
a tough offense to defend because defenses have to change
the way they play.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
So I want to talk about Eagles Broncos, and I'll
start yeah with b Nicks, who Vic Fangio had his number.
And then in the fourth quarter between the play calling,
Bonnicks the ball out quick. Suddenly Denver got into a
rhythm and it was really pretty and it was chunk, chunk, chunk.
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What did bow Nicks and Sean Payton do in the
fourth that they couldn't do early.
Speaker 5 (08:15):
I don't know if it was so much that they
did anything dramatically different. I mean, obviously the third and
fifteen play was great. I mean that was a big
time play and that came against his own coverage. But
in the fourth quarter he also hit Cortland Sutton on
two back shoulder fades where Quinnon Mitchell had great coverage
and it was just good on good and Nick and
sudden and beating Mitchell. Those were just back shoulder That
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was match up football. You're seeing one of them right now.
They started to run the ball a little bit, which
they couldn't do early in the game. You know, Nicks
just hung in there and played. I mean I didn't
see watching that tape. I didn't come away feeling like wow,
all of a sudden boon, Nicks turned it on and
he played great. When you get in the past game
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and you know this Colin, you get matchup football. You
get schematic football where the scheme presents a clean, defined
read for the quarterback. But you also get matchup football
where it's one on one and your guy wins and
sometimes he doesn't win. I mean, Nicks made a great
throw on the second play of the game to Sudden
on a vertical rot where he got on top of
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Mitchell and Sudden dropped it. You know, so these things
happen as well. But So's he's a tough cover and
they put Mitchell on him in sudden one in the
fourth quarter.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
So Philadelphia is not doing anything particularly well. So let's
just let's just concentrate on this. I would argue, you know,
week one, they didn't even throw to aj Brown, But
in the last four weeks he's getting as many targets
statistically as justin Jefferson. So they're trying to get in
the ball and it's still not working. Rams the exception.
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So why don't Aj and Jalen Hurts work consistently Because
they're trying. The targets tell you they're trying.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
Well.
Speaker 5 (10:02):
First of all, let's start with what they have to
be based on what the quarterback is and what he isn't,
which they know in the building. By the way, the
quarterback has limitations in terms of where he can throw
the ball effectively.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
He's very good throwing it outside the numbers.
Speaker 5 (10:15):
We saw that in the Rams game a few weeks
ago when starting in the second half they did go
one oh one to Aj Brown versus the Rams corners,
who are not high level corners. But one thing Jalen
Hurts has never done particularly well. He's not a window throw.
He doesn't throw the ball between the numbers, as I
said we were talking earlier, fifteen to twenty five yards.
In fact, he's got the fewest attempts of any quarterback
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in the league throwing the ball between fifteen and twenty
five yards between the numbers.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
He doesn't see the game that way.
Speaker 5 (10:44):
They have to be a running football team, and right
now they're not running the ball at all.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
And the old line is hurt.
Speaker 5 (10:50):
It's banged up, and it's not played anywhere near as
well as it has the last three four years when
it was arguably the best in the league. I mean,
they gave the ball to Barkley five times in the
first half last week in a game they were winning,
and in the second half they gave it to him
one time. They have to be a running football team.
They are not a passing team. Even last year winning
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a Super Bowl, they were not a passing team. Jalen
Hurts had ten games last year Colin Wood. He threw
for less than two hundred yards. One of the best,
not the best. One of the best things about Hurtz
is he never turns it over. That's critical for how
they play. But as far as the passing game, it
has limitations. You know this, Every coach plays to his quarterback.
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So when you watch a team and see what they do,
think about what they do and then think about the quarterback.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
So there are fifteen quarterbacks right now in the NFL
with a passer rating over one hundred. There were six
two years.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
That's a lie.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
Yeah, So I think there's a lot of good offensive coaches.
I think there's a lot of zone. So for a
lot of these veteran guys like a Darnold or a
Baker or a Dack, you know, it's a throw it
to a spot Jared Goff and they're really good at
that very much as a right, right, But I mean,
Dak's pretty amazing. CD's out. I would argue they don't
even have a dependable number two receiver. It's more threes,
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they're tight end's okay. O line still feels like to me,
it's it's a little patchwork and it's okay. The film
may say something different. The run game is fine, it's
not special, And here's Dak putting up big numbers with
a bunch of kind of number three receivers and solid
tight ends. Not special. I mean, all these years and
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all these snaps, we didn't love the staff that was hired. Well,
maybe they're better than we thought. But what does the
film say on Dak because is there a quarterback in
the league doing more without special surrounding talent.
Speaker 5 (12:47):
Well, I think what Dak and we talked about this.
I remember we had this discussion two three years ago.
What Dak has evolved into as he's advanced in his
career and had a number of leg injuries. Is he
is an efficient distributor of football. He's a ball distributor,
He's an executor. He's very very good at it. That's
what his game is. And when you put him with
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a Brian Schottennheim, who's actually very good orchestrating an offense,
you get an efficient pass game. But the one place
where I might disagree with you a little bit is
I think their run game has been better than you think.
Javonte Williams is starting to look more like he did
coming out of North Carolina when he was in his
first year with the Broncos before all the leg injuries.
He's I think fourth or fifth in the league in rushing.
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He's pretty high up and he's averaging coast to six
yards of carry.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
And their run game now is very, very viable.
Speaker 5 (13:37):
It's a meaningful, significant part of what they do offensively.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Okay, I want to talk about, first of all, a
quarterback who I liked a lot who has grown quickly,
and then a team I like a lot that I
think the people are surprised by. So let's start with
Drake may Listen, I predicted they'd make the playoffs. I'm
a huge fan of rabel right. Let me be clear,
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I like Drake May a lot, but in the last
two to three weeks he's taken it to a different level.
And I still don't think they have elite personnel. I
like their backs, but I don't think they have elite
offensive personnel. Something has clicked. What is it?
Speaker 5 (14:19):
Well, it's funny because I actually think he's played this
way from week one. It's just they won a couple
of games recently and then makes it appear that he's
playing better. I think right from the beginning of this season, Colin,
he's been outstanding in areas you never expect a second
year quarterback to be good at. That's on third down.
He's been outstanding on third down. He's been outstanding versus pressure,
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and they're starting to throw the ball more on first down,
which is always the best down to throw because you
get much more predictable front looks, you get more predictable
coverage looks, you just get a better feel for the
quarterback when you call plays and it's first and ten
or normal down in distance situations. So I would argue,
and I agree with you one hundred percent. I think
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he's been really good from week one. It's just had
a big win on national TV on the road in
a very difficult place to play when he was really,
really efficient. So it just made it seem like he's
playing better recently. But I think he's played like this
since week one.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
So a team that and in this league when I
had text an occasional general manager, is that you can
do so many things right as a GM, but if
you don't have the quarterback right. People for years have
been on Chris Ballard in Indy and I've been saying
I followed the draft. I like their roster. I think
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it's good. I think they have good weapons. I think
they're O line. You can tell me about the film says,
but I think their O line is way above average.
And all of a sudden they get Daniel Jones playing well,
and I'm like, Okay, they've had the roster, had they
had the Rams beat two weeks ago, They've got the players.
But I think all of us are holding our breath
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on Daniel Jones. It just he looks a little stronger,
he looks more confident, his body language is better. What
is it with Stiching and Daniel Jones, Because I don't
think it's one of these, you know September early October
runs that Ryan Fitzpatrick had, you know, a couple of those.
It's like, no, I think this is going to last.
I think Daniel's pretty good now.
Speaker 5 (16:22):
I think Colin this speaks to the marriage of coaching
and quarterback play, which I've just come to believe is
so so important because when I watch this team, I
see Shane Stike and really presenting Jones with his route concepts,
with a lot of clean, define reads, so he's comfortable
turning the ball loose to the primary receiver. And one
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thing for people to notice with Daniel Jones is rarely,
and you saw this a lot with the Giants obviously,
but you rarely see him get stuck in the pocket
where it seems as if he has nowhere to throw
the football.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
He drops back.
Speaker 5 (16:56):
And he's decisive, and he's decisive because the receiver that
he looks at first, the primary, is available to him.
And I think that the scheming of an offense, of
a pass game, the way a coach calls a game
throughout the game, has so much to do with quarterbacks.
You know, when we see a quarterback throw to a
relatively open receiver and Jones.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
Has done a lot of that this year.
Speaker 5 (17:19):
We always say that's great quarterback play, but really he's
being set up for great quarterback play. And I think
the marriage has been outstanding and Jones has been so good,
especially on first down, where again we just spoke about
that they are really really good throwing the ball on
first down.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
There are two teams in this league that I like
a lot, and they're both very young, green Bay and Seattle.
And green Bay, as young teams are prone to do,
green Bay is struggling to figure out how to close
out games against inferior teams. Cleveland, Dallas. Seattle young teams
second youngest offense couldn't close it out although they were
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on the door step against the Niners, and they couldn't
close it out against Tampa. So I think Green Band
Seattle are very good. They may be a year away.
I don't think the Packers are. But when you watch
Sam Darnald and those losses to San Francisco or Tampa,
does it make you think, oh, turnovers not quite good
at same old Sam? Or are you watching? Are you
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watching Sam and you're thinking this is an elite top
ten twelve quarterback?
Speaker 5 (18:27):
I would look ten more toward what you just said
at the end of that. You know that interception he
threw last week, that was a classic Todd Bowles pressure
and they got in clean, Winfield got in clean, and
then he threw and hit the helmet of a defensive lineman.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
Now, I don't know if it would have been complete.
Speaker 5 (18:43):
Otherwise it probably wouldn't have been, but it probably wouldn't
have been an interception. But Donald, you know, you know Darnald,
and you know you've always liked him. He's a big,
physical guy. He throws the ball really well. Again, you're
dealing now with a system where he seems more decisive
than ever.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
And that's the key for him.
Speaker 5 (19:00):
Because he's not most quarterbacks, but it's more true of
some than others, and it's true of Darnold. The longer
he stays in the pocket, the worse he is. So
you have to design your system and your route concepts
against anticipated coverages so that he can hit that back
foot and deliver the football. So they've been able to
do that really, really well, and he's performed I think,
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at a really high level. And the other important point, Colin,
he's only been sacked six times in five games.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
They're O line this year.
Speaker 5 (19:31):
Charles Cross at the left tackle, a top ten pick,
is clearly having the best year of his career.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
Yeah, he came out highly coveted. All Right, we're gonna
we're gonna last next couple of minutes to wrap it up,
we're gonna talk Baker Mayfield. Right, So, I mean, let's
face at Tampa is a big playoffense and they're doing
it with this unbelievable rookie. But there what I like
about Baker is Baker's always had great confidence and trusted himself.
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And now even without Mike Evans or Bucky Irving, He's
got some weapons at BUCA. Looks like Rookie of the
Year stuff. He's a sensational talent. So this was one
of the best most entertaining games in the last couple
of years. It was an epic. It was an electric
game on a beautiful Pacific Northwest Sunday. What did you
see from Baker?
Speaker 5 (20:18):
Well, I think what there were tending completions in the
whole game by both quarterbacks.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
It was crazy.
Speaker 5 (20:24):
Baker's at the point in his career where he's incredibly
decisive because he throws and I know we've talked about
this over the years. He throws a great ball, a
way better ball than people might think because he's not
a big, imposing looking guy like he's not like Jared
Goff who just looks big and imposing. But he has
a really good arm, throws a great ball. He's always
been very aggressive throwing it too, with that mindset that
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he has. And as you get older, I think he
just knows just from playing, just from experience, you know,
getting more and more at back, so to speak, he
just has a better feel for when I can turn
it loose when and I don't have to turn it loose,
but he turns it loose when necessary. And he's got
a big arm, and he can make really difficult throws,
and he doesn't shy away from any difficult throw when
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the situation demands it. And again, I think he's now
with the same system, even though Liam Cohen isn't there.
It's essentially the same system as it was, and you
can tell he's extremely comfortable. And there are certain throws
always that stand out to me where it's a combination
of scheme and the throw. And if you want, we
can go right to the play that I want to
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show because I think this is a really good example
of it. So let's take a look at Baker from this.
This is from last week, and as I said, this
is just a really good combination of scheme and a
really good throw that just seems like, oh, he's open,
but it's not quite that simple. So we're going to
see him under center. And by the way, we don't
see a lot of quarterbacks under center, so it's the
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fact that he's under center is a big deal. And
it's what we call it three by one set. You
have three receivers to the wide side of the field
and that's Abuka up top is what we call the
boundary X. The single receiver to the short side of
the field. Now, what's he looking at Baker? Initially two
high safeties, but that's going to change. Now what they're
going to call here, and you're seeing more and more
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of this in the league call in motion.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
You're seeing motion.
Speaker 5 (22:17):
Shepherd is going to cross the formation and what jet
action whatever people want to call it, and then he's
going to release inside of Abuca. Now, notice that the
coverage has changed. It is now covered three, So it
went from too high to cover three, and Baker turns.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
His back a little bit because it's play action.
Speaker 5 (22:35):
So what you're going to get here is Shepherd the
motion receiver, running a vertical route, and you're going to
get a Buka running essentially a wheel route. So it's
two vertical routes. And what this is going to do
is it's going to put the corner. I think it's
Josh job here who's actually become a very good player,
but it's going to put him in conflict because you
can see his body is turned towards Shepherd running that
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vertical route because he knows that his safety is coming
from the other side. So now with his body turned
that way, he cannot play the wheel route at all
by Abuka. It's just he's in conflict. It's just too hard.
And then so what happens is you get a Buka
running the wheel in the deep third of the corner.
That's his responsibility, but he can't get there. Now, this
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is not an easy throw, by the way, because he
has to throw it over the top of that underneath defender,
which you're going to see here. So it might look
easy because it looks like a Buka is wide open, but.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
It's not easy.
Speaker 5 (23:32):
So again, this is just a perfect example again of
scheming and making good throws. And I think ultimately the
good passing games are about that.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Yep. Greg Cosel Thursday as Oola's we get smarter. Thanks Greg,
Thanks Colin and Mecca. Abuka is currently a sizeable favorite
to an Offensive Rookie of the Year and he went
to go nineteenth from FA my GM Jason, who's just
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done a terrific job in Tampa for a long time.
Speaker 6 (24:03):
I think at Mike Evans back soon, Bucky Irving will
be back.
Speaker 7 (24:06):
That's a dangerous Tampa.
Speaker 6 (24:07):
I mean, I can't see him in the super Bowl,
but they're gonna be contenders.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
You know, there are certain things. They have a good
enough O line. There are certain things that really matter
in January football. You know, like speed is always important,
but Miami was really fast. Speed's less important in January. Efficiency.
Power becomes because it's bad weather and it's windy, and
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you need like tough, resilient, physical, powerful players. That's why,
you know, you start looking at teams that win and
players that really become hallmark players. What's great about Abuca
is you can run him deep or you can run
him underneath. He can do multiple patterns he's not your
classic really fast. If he was fast, he would have
been a top seven pick because his game was flawless.
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But he's not a burner. He's just a total route tree,
mature adult. He's one of those guys like Homer on
Saint Brown rookie year. You're like, you think he's thirty three,
no diva, all grown up.
Speaker 7 (25:10):
You don't expect a lot of that.
Speaker 6 (25:11):
Strangely, the biggest question with Tampa might be their MVP candidate.
Speaker 8 (25:16):
Colin.
Speaker 7 (25:16):
I know, we love Baker. He's having a great year.
Speaker 6 (25:18):
He's among the league leaders in turnover worthy place, and
you know, so far they've broken his way. They're winning
games at the book buzzer by three, Colin, we know
at some point that is going to stop. And what
happens when they're losing those coin flip games not as dangerous.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
This was gonna be a positive Baker, Dad, I was
doing my best. You're really pivotal to the negativity right there.
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Speaker 7 (26:26):
This is the herd Line News, all right, Colin.
Speaker 6 (26:30):
Unfortunately, let's go back to the Blue Jays and there
win over the Yankees five to last night, eliminating the
once dominant Yankees from the postseason.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
But what year was that?
Speaker 6 (26:41):
I don't know if I can even read this. New
York wasn't even competitive in the final in the first
two games, getting out scored twenty three eight. The Yankees
now have a sixteen season championship drought, the third longest
in franchise history.
Speaker 7 (26:55):
Aaron Judge did his part as well.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
He hit very very well, yet he had a big moment.
He did, he did his part, but again they're totally
relying on him, just like last year. Garrett Cole doesn't
pitch against the Dodgers. They don't, they don't, they don't compete,
So they're just they're very top heavy. You know, they've
spent a lot of money and they've had the same
people in that front office for a long time.
Speaker 7 (27:16):
I heard Jeter say that, and I was like.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
The Steinbrenners are very comfortable with good.
Speaker 7 (27:22):
Are you comfortable with good?
Speaker 1 (27:23):
Well, if I spend as much money as the Yankees did,
I would argue they're not spending it as wisely as
Milwaukee or Seattle. Now, Seattle's going to get expensive here.
They got some guys in arbitration. So Seattle right now
is young in ascending, but they're on the cheap. They
won't be for long. But not everybody has the Dodgers payroll.
But you know, the Mets underachieved. I see the Mets underachieved.
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I don't think the Yankees underachieved. I think he could
be worse. You could be the Mets. Well, no, no,
if Garrett Cole was healthy with Max Free, I don't
know if you'd have won this series, but you'd be
a different looking team. You'd have two strong pitchers and
a couple of big power hitters. You're still not very
good defensively, you don't run the base as well, you
can't play small ball, you're uneven. But a lot of
this has Garrett Cole got hurt. Okay, now you now
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you're not the same team, and I think that you
know it's it's that's a big part of the sport.
Speaker 6 (28:13):
So do you want to relish in some Blue Jays
sound from last night?
Speaker 1 (28:16):
Or sure, let's go. I want to hear it. Hear it, Dali, Dali.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Yacke, let's go. Let's go.
Speaker 7 (28:33):
All right, we can put a bow in the season.
Now you heard your lad.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
Toronto, no bow.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
They're just on the wrapping in the president.
Speaker 6 (28:40):
Let's move on to the NFL to uh uh one
of your favorite quarterbacks.
Speaker 7 (28:44):
Man, he's getting a lot of heat on social media.
Speaker 6 (28:46):
I'm at the dolphins terrible start the loss to the Panthers.
Toua was asked by the Miami media about how he
deals with outside noise. Gotta say love this answer, Colin.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
I'm not on social media, Like I don't have any
of that.
Speaker 7 (29:01):
And then outside of that, like I go home, I
see my kids. Whether I throw five picks or five touchdowns, we.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
Win the game, we lose the game.
Speaker 7 (29:12):
I get to come home to my kids who are
happy to see me every time.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
Yeah, he's got his life center.
Speaker 6 (29:17):
That's the reality in life. Well, when you're a quarterback,
just a football player, he's a father.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
I know that. That sounds great.
Speaker 7 (29:27):
That's the reality.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
Well, I mean it's like, don't don't be You can't
be defined by your job. If you think Tom Brady,
you think quarterback, and you think Kobe Bryant, you think
basketball player. That is, when you are president, you're not
defined by your kids as much you're president. That's a
reality of jobs. I think what he said is wonderful.
I think it makes everybody feel warm and fuzzy. But
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the truth is, when you get paid a lot and
you're a professional athlete and the quarterback, you know your GM,
your coach, your owner, your fans, the people want you
to win a lot of games, and so you're gonna
get heat. I think it's great that he's centered, but
I'm not surprised he's centered. He's always been that kind
of guy. He's always a smart he's a big, broad,
smart guy, got convicted religious conviction, and he's always been
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a very balanced, good human being. But again again it's
what he said is true. But being a quarterback, part
of it is dealing with heat. It's hard, it is.
Speaker 6 (30:23):
And that's how he deals with it. He avoids social media.
Well that's smart, that's super nonsense. That's the dealing with
the heat from fans whatever.
Speaker 7 (30:31):
Like, hey, you get you.
Speaker 6 (30:32):
Never want to get too high, never want to get
too low. Yes, you lose to the panther say, man,
that's bad, that's not great. You know what they beat
the Jets two weeks ago?
Speaker 3 (30:39):
Was that great?
Speaker 7 (30:40):
I mean, like, I don't know. I mean I kind
of like what you was saying.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
No, I think it has absolutely redeemable value. I think
he's right, and I think he's centered. But it is
sports is cruel. It's demanding quarterbacks be thirty eight years
old when they break into the league. You've got to
be an adult. You are the CEO on the field,
and it's hard and the criticism's harsh. And uh, I'm
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glad that too, was centered because it is brutal.
Speaker 6 (31:06):
Chief's fifteen and two last year and Patrick Mahomes ended
the season getting his butt kicked by.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
The Eagles and criticized, criticized heavily.
Speaker 7 (31:13):
They went fifteen to two. Like, boy, you get win
the Super Bowl every year? Nobody Tom Brady didn't do that.
Speaker 6 (31:18):
Final story, Colin is the forty nine Ers quarterback room?
My goodness, what is going on? So brock perty did
not practice yesterday, still nursing that toe injury. Oh they're
saying mac Jones is going to start, but he got
dinged up. Remember against the Rams, They're they're calling it
a knee and an oblique. Mac is undefeated, but this
could be a tall order against the Bucks. They got
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extra time off. I'm seeing Juwan Jennings unlikely, pearsall unlikely.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
Is this going to be the eye this week?
Speaker 7 (31:50):
I know I was waiting for the injury report. I'm
trying to text the headline guy. Could we back off
the Niners?
Speaker 1 (31:55):
How do you injure a knee at practice? I mean
at quarterback?
Speaker 6 (31:59):
Well, if you do, you see the way he got
like drilled into the ground and his both of his
legs kind.
Speaker 7 (32:03):
Of moved funny.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
So it wasn't it practice? No, no, no, okay, I
thought my bat I thought it got hurt at practice.
Speaker 6 (32:09):
I mean, he's just limited with it. He's banged up.
You know, Macenroe, Jones, your guy. I had, like the
Niners here, if this touches three and a half, you know,
give me Shanahan all day.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
All right, Yeah, you're just you just can't commit. The
Baker in the Bucks.
Speaker 6 (32:24):
I like him, but they they're just they're getting lucky
every week.
Speaker 7 (32:27):
You have to admit that at the end of games.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
No, I didn't think last week was luck. I thought
it was great, Cordy.
Speaker 7 (32:32):
I've all, they kick a field goal.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
Well, they got a great classic Todd Bowles blitz call
and Baker was unbelievable.
Speaker 6 (32:39):
Wait, didn't the ball didn't Sam Darnold's pass go off
like a helmet and it.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
Was just like a congested and that that that created
that chaos was created by Todd Bowles. There's no such
thing as winning lucky in the NFL. That's that words nonsense.
Speaker 7 (32:54):
You don't think fumble luck is a thing?
Speaker 1 (32:56):
Yeah, but it goes both ways.
Speaker 7 (32:58):
It does, and everything's going campaspate.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
Okay, I don't think it is. Yeah, I'm gonna disagree
with that. J Mack with the.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
News well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
We know we had done all week. We haven't looked
at the schedule and kind of made our called our
upset chet. We usually at this time, it's Thursday, we
usually go out and say, okay, there's your up.
Speaker 6 (33:19):
So we've been pretty good at this. We're locked in
on baseball right now. I mean, we're not time for
this guy. We got to go over Brewers lineup card.
I mean, have you seen it.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
Today or no, I haven't. I'm going home today cleaning
the apartment and they're watching the Phillies Dodgers in the afternoon.
There is nothing better.
Speaker 6 (33:34):
Big night for Philadelphia sports. Right you got Phillies and
it's a huge night.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
Huge.
Speaker 7 (33:39):
I got to call in six tomorrow in Philadelphia.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
They're throwing, aren't there? Aren't they throwing their ace Phillies.
This I'm telling you right now, watch out tonight. Watch
out because last night they didn't do anything at the top.
Dodgers didn't do anything at the top of their order.
Watch out, Dodger fans. This is not over. Like you
can you can feel the Brewers Cubs is over. Before
it's over, I said yesterday the Jays were going to
beat the Yankees. The starting pitching could not get them out.
Speaker 7 (34:04):
Is oh Tani? He would go Game five?
Speaker 1 (34:06):
Right? I think so?
Speaker 7 (34:08):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (34:09):
But I think the Dodgers Phillies, Phillies would it would?
I picked him to win. It would not shock me
if they came back real quick. Different the pressures on
the Dodgers in the game five. Right now, Philadelphia is
coming in loose and free.
Speaker 7 (34:23):
How about the Phillies jerseys last night?
Speaker 6 (34:24):
Old, it might be the coolest jerseys and old they're
up there with those padres ones from the eighties, you know, because.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
Do you remember? You don't remember, but.
Speaker 6 (34:33):
I had the baseball cards with Mike Schmidt.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
How would I tell you the lineup for the Phillies
back in the seventies. How about no, Greg Lizinski, Baked McBride,
Larry Bowa, Dave Cash, Mike Schmidt.
Speaker 6 (34:45):
Schmidty, everybody knows Smitty. I think those other names are
just made up. You're just coming up with, like Harold
Smith at.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
The hot quarter. Bake McBride used to used to choke
up on his bat. Greg Lizinski the bowl batting fourth,
Mike Schmidt batted third. Pete Row came over.
Speaker 6 (35:00):
Eventually, we gotta get you on Jeopardy or something with this.
Seventies baseball, the old.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
Very reluctant, quiet Steve Carlton who would only cash with
Tim McCarver. Geezhi, A lot of you guys were out
there socializing. I was home memorizing baseball lineups in the seventies.
I was doing prep for The Herd when I was
like nine. Oh my goodness, it's the Herd.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
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Speaker 6 (35:34):
A huge day of college football kicks off with Big
Noon Saturday on Fox. As phenom Jeremiah Smith leads top
ranked Ohios date against Illinois. Then at three thirty it's
TCU versus Case State, and under the Lights. At seven
point thirty, Kansas takes on ninth drank Texas Tech.
Speaker 7 (35:52):
It all begins with Big Noon Saturday, only on Fox.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
I'm telling you there's a big game this weekend. Keep
your eye on USC Michigan. This is a defining game.
USC already lost Illinois. They have to go to Notre
Dame and Oregon. They're not beating Oregon in Oatson, they
can compete. I think with Notre Dame. Although the car
of the quarterbacks playing out of his mind, I'm gonna
take USC close. I'm just telling you. Lincoln's offense is fine.
(36:18):
But and I don't buy any of this. All these
big ten coach or these PAC twelve coaches, Oh the
travel and big ten coach, Oh the travel. Oh, get
over it. You have four roadies a year. Get over it.
I feel bad for the volleyball team that you know.
I mean, like some of these secondary teams that are
never in class that have to play like multiple games football.
He got four road games. The USC doesn't play road
(36:40):
games at a conference much. He got four roadies. I
mean Washington had to go to Maryland. Well, you just
hosted Ohio State. So I don't want to hear about that.
But the criticism of Lincoln Roddy that's fair, is since
he's been at USC and at Oklahoma that he has
developed power run games. But the defenses aren't good. That
was a knock at Oklahoma. They weren't phys Brett Venables
(37:00):
got hired and said, we need to be a catalyst
of change. Physically, we're not very good physically this game
against Michigan. If they lose and get pushed around, there's
no turning back from this. This is your opportunity to
change a narrative for a football program in LA.
Speaker 6 (37:17):
And ask you Oregon Indiana. I know it's not on
everybody's radar. It's like the third or fourth best game.
But sharpest college football guy no tells me Indiana is
to play here getting seven and a half for eight.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
How come Indiana know them good enough? How come Indiana
can be a six point dog at Outson. That's what
Ole Miss would be. But we view old misses up
here and we view Indiana sec gets the benefit of
the doubt. Yeah, okay, Indiana is old miss that the
line is telling you Ole Miss had played on a
neutral field. Indiana ol Miss a favorite by one, one
(37:49):
and a half because go look at the Oregon line.
Now at Ogsen Stadium, Indiana is a viable dog.
Speaker 7 (37:55):
I thought it would go up to eight. I was waiting.
But this kid, Mendoza, like he's six five. I looked
the part.
Speaker 6 (38:01):
This is his chance to like put his name in
the conversation for the NFL draft.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
Okay, so Urban Myers on tomorrow to talk about these games. Indiana,
Oregon is really interesting, USC Michigan is really interesting. So
it is funny about Baker Mayfield because of my history
with Baker Mayfield. But Tom Brady this week he does
a top ten. Brady is on the Baker train.
Speaker 3 (38:25):
Here it is the Bucks come in at number three.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
They go on the road to Seattle. Does anyone know
how hard it is to play there?
Speaker 6 (38:33):
And I see you.
Speaker 3 (38:34):
Baker talking that.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
You go, man, you play like that.
Speaker 3 (38:36):
You can always talk there.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
So he has him at number three. I had him
at number two behind Detroit. Listen, Generally, I don't like
my quarterback jawing with fans. I don't think it's really
an adult move. But I do think you have to
be honest with Baker, and that is his personality. It's
who he is. He's not the tallest, he's not the
(38:59):
most athletic. A lot of his special is he's got
a really good arm. He does a beautiful deep ball.
He's athletic enough. Here's Greg Co selling what he's seeing
with Baker.
Speaker 5 (39:13):
Baker's at the point in his career where he's incredibly
decisive because he throws.
Speaker 3 (39:18):
And I know we've talked about this over the years.
Speaker 5 (39:20):
He throws a great ball, a way better ball than
people might think because he's not a big, imposing looking guy.
He's always been very aggressive throwing it too, with that
mindset that he has. And as you get older, I
think he just knows just from playing, just from experience,
you know, getting more and more at bat so to speak,
he just has a better feel for when I can
(39:41):
turn it loose, and he can make really difficult throws.
And he doesn't shy away from any difficult throw in
the situation demands it.
Speaker 1 (39:50):
And for the record, a lot of our best quarterbacks
have been a little reckless. FARV Lway would throw it
into traffic far and Aaron Rodgers was one of the
first where you got the upside with no downside. Mahomes upside,
no downside. Josh Allen could used to be reckless. I mean,
you know, Brady was never a big interception guy. But
(40:12):
Tom would let it loose, Andrew Luck, Joe Namath. You
go back, a lot of our best quarterbacks, they can
go sideways, they can take big shots. So I mean,
I I'm not gonna I don't want somebody that's not willing.
It's the old Bill Parcells was always like, if you're
not throwing occasional interceptions, I don't want safe guy. You've
(40:33):
gotta you've got to throw it down the field. That
doesn't mean Bill Parcells was rooting for interceptions. But if
you're going nine for nine at practice every day and
you're in your you know, your red zone drills, you're
probably throwing it underneath constantly, like you gotta let it rip,
you gotta let it go. And and again, I don't
want Alex Smith to let it rip because he didn't
(40:55):
have a huge arm. He knew what he could do.
Baker's got a big boy arm. Arnold's got a big arm.
Farv had a big arm. You almost owe it to yourself.
If you've got a great arm. Josh Allen's got a
great arm, you owe it to yourself to let it rip.
Alex Smith didn't. I don't want you taking those chances.
Matt Ryan didn't, Okay, I don't want you taking I mean,
(41:16):
I don't think Jalen Hurts has a huge arm. I
want the underneath stuff. But if you got it, you
got the talent, let it rip. And Baker does, and yeah,
he's gonna have more turnover worthy plays. I can live
with it. I really can't. Brady's won Super Bowls where
I threw a pick six, and he's lost Super Bowls
Philadelphia where he was virtually perfect. Gotta make plays, Phil Simms,
(41:40):
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