October 16, 2025 • 40 mins
Greg Cosell from NFL Films joins the show to break down the Kansas City Chiefs resurgence led by Patrick Mahomes and what’s behind their recent dominance. Colin and Greg also dissect the struggles of the Buffalo Bills and Josh Allen, uncovering the reasons why Buffalo’s high expectations are falling short this season
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Here we go. It's Thursday. Greg co sells around the corner.
Forty six years of NFL films. We are live. It's Chicago,
it's the Herd. Mariners still lead the Jays two to
one of the series, Dodgers and the Brewers resuming play.
You know, so tonight old guys Aaron Rodgers, quarterback for
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the Steelers, faces old guy Joe Flacco for Cincinnati at
pay Corps Stadium in Cincinnati. Years ago, I think it
was about two thousand and eight, Jerry Cooney met George
Foreman in Vegas and they called it two geezers at Caesars.
So I'm gonna call Aaron and Flacco tonight, two guys
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who were old and sore at pay Corps. I'm gonna
take Aaron and the Steelers twenty seven, twenty three, I
think it's a fairly competitive game. Here's Aaron Rodgers talking
about facing another forty year old quarterback. I think it's
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great to.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
Wait for all the old guys, you know. I know
that when I watch other sports.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Maybe it's because I'm the older guy, but I tend
to to pull for the older guys to to win,
to win championships. Aaron can go five and one tonight
with a win. Greg Cosel fifteen minutes, we all get smarter.
So many questions to ask. So I think in the
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last three weeks, I think Mahomes has been so good.
And I was saying it this week, only the Chiefs
can take Hollywood Brown and Juju's ms Schuster and all
of a sudden you're like, oh, these are dynamic players.
Now were these good? I've always held he's a bit
more gadget guy than he is volume guy. But when
you look at the Chiefs, is it Mahomes's magic or
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is it scheme? Because Hollywood Brown could go on thirty
teams and not make an impact, and yet it's a
couple of touchdowns on the Chiefs. Is it schemer Mahomes?
Speaker 4 (02:37):
Well, Colin, it's funny I thought last week in particular,
was very scheme based. I thought they had a really
good sense and it comes of course from Andy Reid
and Matt Nagi, a very good sense of what they
were getting from the Lions defense. And now don't forget
the Lions were playing with backup corners on the outside.
They were playing with a number of other backups as well,
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and I thought they had a really good few for
what they were going to get in certain situations.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
And I thought it was really scheme based.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
It wasn't a Mahomes game in the sense that, Wow,
he did some special things.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
I thought he executed at.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
A really high level a really well designed offense. I
thought the best individual play he made Colin was on
the first possession when he hit Smith Schuster on the
crosser that was not the primary receiver, that was the
backside crosser. And that was just one of those special
Mahomes plays because Kirby Joseph, who's very good as an
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interceptor reads quarterbacks, well, he was waiting right there and
I think he thought he was going to make a
play on the ball.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
But Mahomes with.
Speaker 4 (03:40):
The arm strength and just his understanding of spatial awareness,
which is as good as anyone we've seen. He just
made a big time throw. But that game was much
more to me watching the tape scheme based than wow,
look at these great individual plays.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
So let's talk about the team that was seen as
the nemesis, the arts nemesis, the primary rival of the Chiefs, Buffalo.
So my take is what you want to do in
the NFL is draft a quarterback, get the right quarterback,
and then make him comfortable weapons and protection. Drake London, Sure,
John Robinson, Michael Pennix. We can just say Buffalo's defense
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isn't very good. But I thought Pennix and London and Robinson,
I thought that was a pretty potent, especially indoors. That
was a pretty potent offense, was it not?
Speaker 3 (04:30):
It is?
Speaker 4 (04:31):
And the way they use b John Robinson is really good.
I mean B John Robinson in my view, is the
best running back in the league.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
But he's more than just a running back. They line
him up all over. This is a pistol offense.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
By the way they run pistol a very very high
percentage and the number one run that they have they're
an outside zone run team, which you run out of pistol.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
Seventy one of Bjohn's carries this year, of his eighty
three carries.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
Have come out of pistol and it's outside zone for
the most part, but they really use him in multiple ways.
The Bills don't really have a strong pass rush. They've
tried to upgrade it, but it's still not good enough
with a four man d line and offensively, Colin to me,
when you have Josh Allen, I think that your pass
game needs to be.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
A little more expansive.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
I know they don't have great receivers, but you know
what to me to construct a pass game tactically and
conceptually and the way you attack zone. I think they
need to do more things. You know, Josh Allener quarterback.
He can make throws. I almost feel like they're a
running football team and if the game demands, then it's
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time for Josh.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
But I don't think you can play like that every week.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
I think you need more consistency with what you do
conceptually in your pass game.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Yeah, no, I said it this week is that I
feel like Sean Payton squeezes every ounce out of bow nicks.
Ben Johnson has clearly gotten moret a Caleb than the
previous coach. Andy Reid does it with gadget players and backups.
I rarely watch Buffalo and go wow, that's creative. Offensively,
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I don't. I think they have some players I like,
but I don't see that. Speaking of Caleb, I didn't
think he was great on Monday night. I think there
are two things I worried about it. I agree with you, Yeah,
I watched him out of usc The two criticisms that
were valid consistent accuracy and playing with instructure. I think
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he's gotten better within structure. I think his accuracy is
still a major problem. How would you grade him on
Monday night's win.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
I would say that both of the things you said
are very valid. I think even some completions that he
hasn't been as sharp with his ball location as he
needs to be. That's an area he can must continue
to improve. He throws a beautiful ball, He's an easy thrower.
I think Ben Johnson has really designed some really good
things for him. Touchdown to Swift on third down was
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just a beautifully conceived and well designed play that presented
just an easy routine throw and then of course Swift
with the run after catch. But I think the ball location,
which is the better term now than just accuracy, the
ball location has to get more and more consistent because
there's a lot of inbreaking throws in the Ben Johnson offense,
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and you want to hit receivers on inbreaking throws where
they have run after catch, and he needs to get
better at that because that's foundationally much of what that
offense is in the pass game.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
So you and I have both always loved Justin Herbert
and that Chargers Colts game is going to be a
real game. Herbert made a play to Lad McConkey switching
hands with the ball. Is that what's fascinating about the Chargers. Now,
we know the coach is good, we know Herbert's great,
but they didn't have Quinton Johnson. They didn't have their
top two backs, they didn't have their tackles. So when
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you look at film on the Chargers, and sometimes fans
and immediate we can be unfair with this. There's just
things Greg they can't do now. So when I watched them,
I'm like, you know, Lad mcconky's great, No Quintin Johnson
no tackles third running back for the Chargers to win
that game, traveling three thousand miles, I was actually impressed.
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I thought it would be close now that Alt Hampton
Khalil Max coming back. When you watch the Chargers on film,
is there anything more Herbert and on Harbaugh can do
or this is just what they are now?
Speaker 4 (08:35):
Well, I think they played that game based on tape study,
not to expose the limitations of the offensive line, because
there were a lot of quick rhythm three step drop timing,
quick five step drop timing throws. He rarely dropped back deep,
he did not. He hardly ever threw the ball at
the intermediate and deeper levels. Everything was quick game, Colin,
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And I think your point's right. Right now, they're playing
with backup tackles. Bobby Hart played right tackle. They signed
him last week, he was there for five days and
he's starting at right tackle. So they played this game
not to expose their offensive line, and they played sixteen
snaps with three tight ends and actually ran the ball
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very effectively out of that And even this touchdown to
Vidal came out of three tight ends in the low
red zone.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
So right now, now it's coaching.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
Now you have to understand what you can do and
what you can't do and play accordingly.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
So Philadelphia, speaking of coaching, we've said this before Siriani's
more motivator than scheme guru. And when they had good
coordinator Stikeen and Steikin took over the play calling, they
were elite. He leaves the substitute, find a new OC.
It does not look good, arrys Bin. Then they get
Kellen Moore. It's better now they've made another replacement for
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a young man that was on the staff had never
called plays. I think they have a little bit of
a coaching crisis. People could point to in injuries, but
it's the NFL. Nobody's totally healthy. Don't they have to
Just if I just said to you they run the
ball fifty one times this week with a variety of people,
isn't it just as simple as, guys, here's what we are.
We're a run team. Is it any more complicated than.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
That, Well, not significantly so. But I think when you
watch their tape the last couple of years. Okay, don't
forget they had an historic season a year ago with
the run game. But I think when you watch the
tape and people around the league would echo this, they
were built on having arguably the best O line in
the league, a really good defensive front. Don't forget in
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twenty twenty two. You can talk stich and all you want.
They led the NFL in quarterback sacks and had about
thirty of them on third down. So they were a
team built in the trenches. It started with the O
line and the D line, and right now neither one
of those units is playing at even an average level.
So the question you then ask is where do they
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go from here? You know, get the running game back.
The old line has been poor this year, Colin, not
even average, but poor.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
So the question is what's next?
Speaker 4 (11:08):
Do you have to try to create, you know, to
use your term gimmick type plays on offense?
Speaker 3 (11:13):
What can you do on offense?
Speaker 4 (11:14):
You also, on offense always have to play to what
your quarterback is. And I think they've told you. I
don't think we have to guess this. I think they've
told you by how they play that they believe that
Jalen Hurts has pure dropback limitations, which by the way,
that tape does show. So the question is if they
can't run it, are they limited in what the answers are?
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You know, I don't know if we know the answer
one hundred percent, but I think they're kind of telling
you that they're uncertain where to go right now.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Okay, so I got Before we get to our big play,
I want to talk about Green Bay.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
So sure.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
I think Jordan Love is the best quarterback in the
league that nobody will admit is a good quarterback. He's
got the size of the arm movement. We all kind
of know that's a good quarterback. That's an average guy.
I think Jordan's a really good quarterback. But they're not
scoring a ton. They're in a lot of close games. Now,
my interpretation is this is the youngest offense in the league.
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It's almost collegiate. It's twenty three years and twenty four
and twenty five Seattles Shai a little bit of this.
Seattle's really young. They're finding themselves and sometimes this is
early for Jordan. It still doesn't play that many games.
What do you see now? People say, well, they lost here,
they're close here. I think Jordan Love is an exceptional quarterback.
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Not allan, but he's exceptional. What does the tape say?
Speaker 4 (12:38):
You know, it is only third year as a starter,
which is probably hard for people to believe. It's not
as if he's a ten year pro. You know, he's
a third year starter. I think one thing that I've
really noticed on tape, and when I watched him this week,
I even said to one of my guys, you know,
in the matchup room, I said.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
You know, I think he's a little bit less.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
Reckless now and he's become a little more efficient in
how he plays. Every once in a while, i'll throw
one and you go, maybe you shouldn't have done that.
But I think the way he's playing is a little
more refined, a little less reckless, a little more efficient.
So there's not as many big plays, which maybe is
the reason they're not necessarily scoring as many points. They've
gotten the run game going the last couple of weeks,
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but I think they're sort of settling into being a
team that can be that.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
Can win multiple ways.
Speaker 4 (13:23):
They can win with a run game, they can win
with efficient passing, they can win with big play passing,
and I think it will continue to come together. But
the tape really shows a quarterback that I believe is
just maturing.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
Yeah, So tonight Aaron Rodgers takes on Pittsburgh. Now, I
have defended Aaron. Pittsburgh's a very unique offense between Washington
and Hayward and Firemouth and DK metcalf. It looks like
an NBA front court. It's a gig. There's no small
gadgety guy. It is a big, strong, long receiving tight
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end group. And I think Aaron knows that there's matchup
off oportunities. I don't think yet it's a down the
field offense, and I think Aaron knows he's It doesn't
look like it to me, So I think Aaron smartly
is going, hey, listen, we're going to run the ball
fifteen yards an end, play good defense, get turnovers, especially
when we're playing second tier quarterbacks. The PFF grades and
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other grades are like, this is bad. And my take is, well,
personnel dictate scheme. So you tell me, is Aaron letting
go of it early because of age and concern for
health or does the tape show you this is what
they're going to be offensively?
Speaker 3 (14:35):
Well, I can't get into Aaron's head. I'm not sure
anybody wants to do that.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
But one thing does that the tape shows is they're
a very condensed passing game. They played last week with
a lot of six to ozero line personnel. The Darnell
Washington kid is just a tight end, is just a
huge guy in a terrific blocker. So they're really playing
a specific way, which leads you to believe that they
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either feel that that's the best way for Aaron to
play right now, or they don't have enough on the
outside where they feel like they can truly push it
down the field. But right now they're very, very condensed,
and they're winning games.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
That's the thing.
Speaker 4 (15:13):
So you know, you're not going to change until it's
demanded that you change. But he does not push the
ball down the field at all, Colin. I mean, that's
the reality. That's what the tape shows. It's really a
tight offense. It's very condensed.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Yeah, and they they really do. They're the biggest offense
in the league. I mean, Metcalf is the and I
mean they're just so big and physical, and I think
there's different ways to win in this league and that's
how they're going to have to win. Okay, So the
next couple of minutes, I've been so impressed with Drake
May and what's fascinating with young quarterbacks. You know bow
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Knicks last year in September as a rookie, you're like,
oh boy, and then in October you're like, Okay, this works.
Drake May has popped in the last three to four weeks.
I watch him. He's accurate, he's confident, he's all had
size and arm strength and movement. What on film are
you looking at with the Patriots kid and going Wow,
that sticks? That lands?
Speaker 4 (16:10):
When I watch him, I feel like there's such a
calculated way in which he plays. He's a very calm player.
He's an easy thrower. He's been phenomenal in two areas
that you really look at for young quarterbacks, that's third
down and versus blitz. But one trait that he clearly
has and a lot of young quarterbacks really struggle with
this is what I call pocket movement, which is different
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than leaving the pocket Colin. He moves around the pocket.
He keeps his eyes downfield. He does not drop his
eyes and look at the rush. He keeps his eyes downfield.
He moves within the pocket and then makes really good throws.
And you don't see a lot of young quarterbacks with
that given trait, because that's a very refined quarterback trait.
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But he just looks very comfortable. And you know you
talk about coaches. I know you talked about the Jets.
I heard you speak about that, what do you think
they should do? But you bring in a coach like
Josh McDaniels who's been doing it a long time with
a proven track record, knows how to work with quarterbacks.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
That's the way to me. You have to do it
with a young quarterback.
Speaker 4 (17:14):
And then you can design things too that present clean
looks and clean throws. And we can take a look
at the big play from this week. We're actually seeing
it right now, but we can see it again and
take a look at it.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
This was a great example of that.
Speaker 4 (17:28):
I mean, this was a shot play, and a shot
play is where teams want to push it down the
field when they get between the forties, they want to
take a shot down the field, and how do they
go about doing it? And this was just a great
example of that. They're going to put Drake May under center. Okay,
that's what you normally see with shot plays because there's
going to be a play action element to it, and
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then they're going to take Hunter Henry the tight end.
They're going to motion him across the formation, and what
you're going to end up with is it goes from
a two by two set to a three by one set.
So there's ultimately going to be three receivers to the
wide side of the field. Now, this will eventually impact
the safeties and we're going to see that as we
get further into the play. But let's now take a
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look at what this route concept is. Okay, you're going
to see a very common route concept on shot plays.
It's going to be a corner post and a crossing route.
It's essentially a two man route concept because you're going
to max protect. You're going to end up protecting here
with seven and that's what you do on shot plays
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is you want to make sure the quarterback off the
run action is secure in the pocket. So here you're
going to see the five offensive linemen. They're part of
the protection obviously, but then you've got two more. You've
got Hunter Henry who moved across the formation, and you've
got the third wide receiver, Mac Collins, so they secure
him in the pocket. It's seven man protection. So now
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let's just revisit the route concept. There's the crosser by
Kayshaun Body and here's the corner post by Douglas. Now
he does such a great job here because you know
what happens here. He gets that safety because now the
safety's rotated that single high safety. As soon as he
turns to the sideline, which he will based on the
corner element of the corner post, he's done because now
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he cannot play the post.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
So now I'm not going.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
To say this is an easy throw, Colin, because it's
you know, forty fifty yards down the field.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
But it's a.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
Defined, clean look and that's what you're trying to do
with young quarterbacks. And as I said, this was a
shot play, So this is what they wanted to get
the ball down the field. That was the number one
read here is to throw this ball. But I think
they're doing a really good job with him. There's a
lot of clean looks, clean throws, and he's just played
very calculated, very comfortable, and really has improved.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
I think each and every week.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
Greg co sal NFL films forty six years, as always
we get smarter.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
Thanks Greg, Thanks Colin, appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
For the record, I defended a broadcast for another network
that used to work at this network, and you notice
Greg Cosel said the same thing that broadcaster did, and
I've been saying this week is Caleb wasn't great. He
left about six completions potentially, you know, on the dirt,
and if not, maybe four and then three or four
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other balls. I mean, one of the great things about
Brady and you see that Herbert's really good at this.
In fact, Lad McConkey was talking about it this week,
is that when Herbert lets go with the ball, you
catch the ball. As a receiver moving in that direction,
you didn't. You don't have to wait for Herbert's ball
and you don't have to reach back for it. Accuracy
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is really important, duh. But that's like with Brady guys.
I mean, Edelman's not a four to three guy, but
Edelman runs like that. When he's at full speed and
the ball's in his hands going forward, you can turn
a four to four guy to a four to three guy.
Guys get really fast when they don't have to stop
to catch it. So Caleb's just got to be more
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consistently accurate. And I said when that film came out
in camp where he was getting very frustrated with accuracy.
He's aware of it. He knows it, you know. Jaden
Daniels I thought last year had that Bo Nicks had
it on short throws. Bow is very accurate. If he
gets the ball out to Mims or Franklin or Harvey
right in the sweet spot where I'm going. They don't
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throw hospital balls. There's a lot of things, there's a
lot of tricks. Don't throw balls that get guys hurt.
Don't throw balls where they have to go back and
they set themselves up. That's where Caleb's got to grow.
I do think he's playing and being coachable in structure
that part. I think he's shown clear strides over three weeks.
He may just never be a super accurate quarterback.
Speaker 5 (21:46):
Colin, how much of this is? It was an Island
game on Monday, right. I know there were two games
going on, but really the second half everybody was just
watching Caleb because.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
He played like he did Monday. At one pm on Sunday.
Speaker 5 (21:58):
I don't think there's any this discussion, Well, he missed
a couple throws. It feels like nitpicking. I'm not defending
Ben Johnson pushing back. It's just I thought Caleb was fine.
He's a second year quarterback in a brand new system.
He ain't gonna ever be Dusin Herbert. I'll tell you
that right now, listen.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
And he was fine.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
I said he was fine. Yeah, but let let's not
go beyond it. He was fine and they won. Washington
was driving for the winning the cover and fumbled, so
it's like it was fine. Yeah, you had a three
turnover advantage. You know that. Washington's not a great team
so far. I'm still not sure Jayden Daniels is one
hundred percent. I think he's close to it, but I
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don't think he's quite there.
Speaker 5 (22:38):
But it's interesting because they got the Saints, this weet
the Bears. Okay, line's coming down. There's some money coming
in on the Saints. Not a lot, but it's early.
I'm curious how Caleb handles a little success. Colin right,
his coach is defending him in the media. He beat
Jayden Daniels head to head.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
No, he's a very aspirational kid. He wants to be great.
He's a worker. I don't about any of that. And
you can see he's coachable because he is playing in structure.
That that part I'm seeing. But the accuracy thing, we
got to be honest, Like bow Nicks may never be
a great deep ball thrower, and Caleb maybe around sixty
two and a half percent sixty three with his horsepower,
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You're fine.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
But don't say never.
Speaker 5 (23:19):
Say never, because we were seeing Baker turning around, Darnold
turning around, to the point Daniel Jones. I mean, maybe
it's just six games or whatever, but Daniel Jones is
doing things we never saw him do with the Giants.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Remember he was Vanilla vic. He was just running because
he couldn't throw.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
Yeah, no, I think I thought it was an encouraging step.
And I'll say this. The thing about the Bears is
the last two games they won, they would have lost
those last year. They're winning this league. Is w's win
the game? You know this is not baseball where well
you know what, tomorrow we're going to use the bullpen
like win the game. Everything wins solves a lot in
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a locker room. Dave wants that always says that you
can lose two straight games, you can lose games. You
lose three straight, you start losing the locker room. And
so the Bears last year lost the room. They weren't
just losing games. So just winning games on a block
kick or a fumble. You know what, practice is better.
The drive to works better. There's less grumbling. People are
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getting not enough touches. But I still think I need
more Colston Lovelin in the offense. I think he's kind
of lost a little bit more. I want more Luther
Burden to get from Missouri. I think he's good. He
only had I think four catches.
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there was a lot of complaining, how can you pull
it out of Saint Louis? How can you not pull
it out of Saint Louis. LA didn't have an NFL franchise.
I think the Spanos is moving up was much tougher
from San Diego, which you had a diehard fan base
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up the I five. That was a tougher move, but
they had issues with local politicians, say Lewis is kind
of a dying American city. LA needed like a I mean,
it is Saint Louis Hartford. There are cities in America
that are not ascending and growing, and they're they're not
terribly economically vibrant. And there are cities that like New
York and Chicago and Philly and Boston in Atlanta and
(26:17):
Dallas and LA that are in San Francisco. So, I
you know, I think the reality was when you moved
Los Angeles, Stan Cronke on the team, and it's like,
how do you not do this? I mean for years
and years, Like Las Vegas, You're sitting there thinking no
state tax. It's a it'll be a great winter destination.
You know, you put them in a division. You've got
Denver and you've got Kansas City. Where are you going
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to go? If you have a December game, You're going
to go to Las Vegas or a November game. So
it's just it's interesting. Like the Warriors when I was
a kid, were great, then they went forever of being mediocre.
They're back as a you know, a hot franchise, number
one valuation right now in the NBA. JMAC with now yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
News, no turn on the news.
Speaker 6 (27:05):
This is the herd line news.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
Right cod.
Speaker 5 (27:08):
Let's start with the other New York football team, not
my Jets. Let's go to the Giants Jackson Dartan cam Scataboo.
They got the city taken by storm. The vibes are great.
I got some nicknames for these two. Uh shortly, but first, uh,
let's go to the young QB talking about the new
culture in New York.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
For the Giants, you know, the vibe is just you know,
we're trying to set a standard in.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
The locker room.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
You know, we're trying to play tough. We're trying to
you know, win it all costs.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
Yeah, Denver. Denver is interesting because the Giants ould line
is okay, They're coming off a big win and feeling themselves,
and Denver played poorly and one struggled with the New
York team. They shouldn't my my, my head is telling
me that Denver should win and Jackson Dart and Scataboo struggle.
Speaker 5 (27:58):
Yeah, I think I like where your head is at.
So a couple of nicknames are floating around about these
two guys. Right, there're two young white guys in the Giants.
Dart is handsome, right, he's got that look with the
with the headband going on. So I've seen exciting whites, uh.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
To describe Dart and Scataboo.
Speaker 5 (28:17):
And then someone else has suggested arm and hammer, you know,
like the baking soda. That's good, listen, people love these guys.
We had one of the hair ladies here at Fox
not ladies. She's younger, but she was at the Giants
Eagles game and she's like, Jason, what do you think
of cam Skataboo and she just said his energy just
being like around him. He is just like fun and
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happy and everybody likes that guy. So there's something going
on here. But I think it ends this weekend call.
I think the Broncos put it on him. I'll be
surprised if Jackson Dart survives this game, if he wants
to run like he has been because those Broncos linebackers
are some of the best.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
In the league.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
Yeah, and it's arm and hammer is funny. Sat Scataboo
is he went like in the fourth round. And it's
interesting because I watched a lot of Arizona State, I
watched him in college. I didn't think Jackson Dart was
a first round quarterback. I thought he was a second
round quarterback. Scataboo, I had no idea. So it's very
rare in the NFL when you draft two guys and
there's a lot of questions and they both deliver, both
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are better. Nobody thought Scataboo would be this Yeah. I mean,
I mean, listen, everybody in the league passed on him
three times, and many teams, you know, they passed on
him four times, So everybody's now an expert in hindsight
Scataboo is better than everybody thought. I went back after
that game last week and I went back and looked
at his draft previews, and I mean, there was a
lot people liked about him. But he is a line
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He's an interior linebacker that plays running back and that's
how he played.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Come on, he's awesome. Let me ask you this.
Speaker 5 (29:45):
This is a tough question at right now, as of
this juncture, middle of October twenty twenty five, would you
rather be the Giants or the Jets?
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Now take your time, don't you say old enough?
Speaker 5 (29:56):
The Jets obviously just Jackson dart at your quarterback.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Jets have nothing. Who would you rather be?
Speaker 1 (30:02):
Well, I've said before, the Giants have an elite defensive front.
The Jets are hit and miss. The Giants have their
left tackle. The Giants went healthy, have a star receiver,
apparently a franchise quarterback, and an offensive coach. Okay, Jets
have a coach who appears to be a coordinator.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
I'm gonna go with wrong answer.
Speaker 5 (30:25):
Jackson, dark franchise quarterback after what four games? Simmon down now, Colin,
come on, listen. He may flame out quickly. The Jets
are going to get the number one pick. You want
an elite superstar. We don't know the darts elite.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
You think he's got the potential to be elite.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
We don't know if Dante Moore is a great quarterback.
Speaker 5 (30:44):
Hey, mock draft came out today, Ty Simpson with it
going number one to the Jets. Alabama kid who I've
been hyping on the show.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
I'm just saying, I know Jets fans are down. Guys.
Speaker 5 (30:53):
It's the darkness before the light comes.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
Okay, it's dark right now. It looks bleak. Coward's making
fun of us every day. We're in a good spot.
Speaker 4 (31:00):
All right.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
Let's move on to the Niners.
Speaker 5 (31:02):
Colin finally a topic that J mack likes.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
Brock Purdy. Yes, he's back.
Speaker 5 (31:08):
Colin, one of the best quarterbacks in the league, returns
to practice, but he's limited. I am waiting for Ricky
Piersoll aka Rashi Rice to return to the lineup.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
We don't know. We don't know about Juwan Jennings.
Speaker 5 (31:20):
Obviously, Warner's down for the season and both as well.
Niners Falcons is interesting. Does it matter to you if
it's Party or McEnroe Jones.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
It doesn't necessarily. I'm more interested in Piersall and Iyuk.
It's you know, I feel like Mac Jones and Perdy
can both run the offense. I think Mac throws a
better ball. I think Perdy is a better you know,
he moves a little bit better. I think I like
San Francisco in this game. If they're reasonably healthy. They're
not going to be a great defense. Saula I love,
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but they're not going to be just They just don't
have the personnel right now. Warner's out, Boss out, Tafung's gone,
Funga's gone, green Law's gone. Are for really really high
end players.
Speaker 5 (32:02):
So the problem is the Falcons defensive pressure has been
amazing this year. It's not necessarily the draft of guys.
They just have depth. They keep coming in waves. They
seem to rattle Josh Allen on Monday Night Football, and
if Purdy's not one hundred percent with that toe, they
could be in some trouble this week.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
I'm reluctant to.
Speaker 5 (32:20):
Take the Falcons on the road, but that's an interesting
game Sunday Night Football, not like a Marquee game, but
could be good. Final story, Colin, let's go to the
Dolphins Browns game.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Now, how about this one? We have a weather.
Speaker 5 (32:31):
Report that is saying wins could be fifty to sixty
miles an hour. Now, listen, it's only Thursday, the game
is still Sunday.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
The National Weather.
Speaker 5 (32:43):
Service says this is certainly a system.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
Worth keeping an eye on. Ninety four percent chance of rain.
Speaker 5 (32:50):
Colin listen, I tried to tell people this week, Browns
and the under the young fellow Judkins from Ohio State
probably goes off against this Miami defense.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
And we know two and those South Florida boys.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
Well. Now, also not a bad week for Miami to
yesterday apologized for what he said after the game. So
it's a weird week for Miami. This is not built
for them, although I would you could certainly make a
case that it will force Miami to run the ball
and they have their moments.
Speaker 5 (33:23):
Not again, this Brown's defensive, no way. The run defense
of the Browns is exceptional, top five unit in the league. Listen,
seventeen to six Browns, something like that.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Dylan Gabriel's celebrating. Are you feeling that? Is this in
the hurt hierarchy?
Speaker 5 (33:40):
Not the hurt hierarchy, though blazing five.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
Tomorrow, this is one of the seven games I make
seven picks. I take five. This is one of the seven.
I would be on the home team here, but I don't.
I may have to. I don't like, I don't ever
like taking bad quarterback play and saying, well, the defense.
Bad quarterbacks fumble, Bad quarterbacks limit the playbook. Bad quarterbacks
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don't inspire teammates. I always you know, if I miss
on picks, it's often taking a talented quarterback getting points
that I mean that, that to me is more fun
to watch than bad. I have never bet Spencer Rattler
with the Saints. He doesn't win enough games. He's very average.
I just don't. I don't enjoy putting money and betting
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on teams hoping they don't make mistakes because I know
they have a low ceiling.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
So how about this.
Speaker 5 (34:31):
Have you seen a lot more from Jackson Dart than say,
Dylan Gabriel through a few handful of games.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
You know, one's a first round pick and one's a no.
Speaker 5 (34:41):
No, I'm just talking about what you've seen on the field.
Both have good offensive minds Dable and Stefanski.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
Yeah, it's not close. Jackson's a the better athlete. He
moves better. Yeah, I think Jackson's got a better arm
and moves better. I think Dylan Gabriel in a system
can complete passes, but I think Jackson Dart's the better athlete.
I don't think it's close. J. McK of the News, Well,
that's the news and thanks for stopping by the herd.
Lie that athletic ability for a quarterback for the first
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two years is essential. I mean a lot of the
star quarterbacks in this league, the Allen's, the Herberts, the Lamar,
A lot of these guys Josh Allen as they're learning,
I mean Bo Nicks last year run for first downs.
Caleb Williams, move the chains. Jaden Daniels move the chains.
There's a really high percentage of quarterbacks that hit in
this league. CJ. Stroud had a very good first year question.
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Since it's running for first downs in your first two years,
picking up moving chains while you're learning NFL defenses, it
would be hard to draft the Jared Goff today. It
would be hard to draft that. That's really an outlier.
It's you want guys that can move. Cade club Nick
from Clemson he can move. Dante More at Oregon he
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can move. So these defenses. The coaching in the NFL
is so much more sophisticated. You've got older players more
to coach. You're just getting older, smarter, more experienced players
that have more time. They don't take classes. You know,
they don't have a mid term or a final. So
while you're figuring out how to operate behind an NFL
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offensive line, it's nice to pick up first downs with
your legs.
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Dodgers Glass now going tonight for the Dodgers. They're back
home against Milwaukee and the Brewers have felt totally outclassed.
Oh Tani can't hit, it doesn't matter. The bullpens wobbly,
doesn't matter. They've gotten in s starting pitching from Yoshi
and Snell, so last now they got him from I
think Tampa he was one of these guys that struggles
to stay healthy but has great stuff. So he's going
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in Game three. O Tani I believe is going in
Game four on the mound. So the Dodgers look to
wrap up that series. Back in Los Angeles, I think
Milwaukee wins a game. They're too good not to. And
the Mariners last night got clobbered by the Blue Jays,
but a couple more games in Seattle, I thought it
was interesting. Greg Cosell, one of my criticisms has been
through the years is you know, once you pay your
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quarterback Mahomes or Josh Allen, there's gonna be holes in
the roster. I just think Kansas City does a better
job to patch the holes than Buffalo does. And Greg
Cosell earlier on once again Josh Allen feeling like he's
got to carry Buffalo's offense.
Speaker 4 (37:48):
I think that your past game needs to be a
little more expansive. I know they don't have great receivers,
but you know what to me to construct a pass
game tactically and conceptually, and the way you attack zone.
I think they need to do more things. You know,
Josh Allen, your quarterback, he can make throws. I almost
feel like they're a running football team and if the
(38:10):
game demands, then it's time for Josh. But you I
don't think you can play like that every week. I
think you need more consistency with what you do conceptually
in your pass game.
Speaker 1 (38:21):
Yeah, and this is something we've talked about that you
just don't look at Buffalo very often and think, wow,
creative juggernaut. And you do see that with Denver and
McVeigh and Shanahan and Kansas City. So I think Kansas
City puts Mahomes in a better position to succeed despite
the fact that they you know, they miss on draft
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picks too. Everybody does it wide receiver. You know, they're
a little long in the tooth with Travis Kelcey on offense,
but they just I think you can sum up Kansas
City with Juju Smith Schuster. He gets drafted, he's kind
of underwhelming, He goes to Kansas City, he's very valuable
in a Super Bowl winning run, and then he leaves.
He goes to New England and it doesn't work, and
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he goes back to Kansas City and it works again.
And some of its balms and some of it's just
Andy Reid. They do a really good job of taking
kind of solid players and making them more productive. And
so much of this league is not only drafting and developing,
it's being able to go find veteran players that fit
into your system. New England did a very good job
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of that during Bella Check's prime, Andy Reid veach. That's
what they do. They just find. I mean, look what
the culture doing this year with Daniel Jones. I mean,
did anybody really think he would be doing this? That
is a really smart offensive coach Shane Stiken taking him
and squeezing as many yards as he can out of him. So,
you know, great, even great players need support. I mean
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remember years ago to Lake Kobe Bryant when he was
going to Demand he wanted to be traded to Chicago.
He said, you got to get me another guy. When
they got in pau Gasol and he starts winning titles again.
You don't want obstacles, you don't want hurdles, And I
kind of feel like every couple of years, I feel like,
here we go again. Josh Allen's got to put the
cape on, and I think it's just tough. I don't
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you know, Kansas City to me, is an exceptional team,
the eye test, the coaching. I think Tampa is a
relentless team that's very good, not great. But I think
Kansas City is separated. I always thought, you know, Lamar
and Josh Allen could go toe to toe with Kansas City.
I do not feel that now. Buffalo, Kent, New England's
(40:28):
not ready. You know, the Denver and the Chargers, Khalil Mack,
Joe alt Hampton, somebody at the trade deadline like Alvin Kamara.
Maybe the Chargers are the other team that can. Julian
Edelman three times Super Bowl champ. He's got to love
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Here we go. It's Thursday. Greg co sells around the corner.
Forty six years of NFL films. We are live. It's Chicago,
it's the Herd. Mariners still lead the Jays two to
one of the series, Dodgers and the Brewers resuming play.
You know, so tonight old guys Aaron Rodgers, quarterback for
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the Steelers, faces old guy Joe Flacco for Cincinnati at
pay Corps Stadium in Cincinnati. Years ago, I think it
was about two thousand and eight, Jerry Cooney met George
Foreman in Vegas and they called it two geezers at Caesars.
So I'm gonna call Aaron and Flacco tonight, two guys
(01:13):
who were old and sore at pay Corps. I'm gonna
take Aaron and the Steelers twenty seven, twenty three, I
think it's a fairly competitive game. Here's Aaron Rodgers talking
about facing another forty year old quarterback. I think it's
(01:35):
great to.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
Wait for all the old guys, you know. I know
that when I watch other sports.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Maybe it's because I'm the older guy, but I tend
to to pull for the older guys to to win,
to win championships. Aaron can go five and one tonight
with a win. Greg Cosel fifteen minutes, we all get smarter.
So many questions to ask. So I think in the
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last three weeks, I think Mahomes has been so good.
And I was saying it this week, only the Chiefs
can take Hollywood Brown and Juju's ms Schuster and all
of a sudden you're like, oh, these are dynamic players.
Now were these good? I've always held he's a bit
more gadget guy than he is volume guy. But when
you look at the Chiefs, is it Mahomes's magic or
(02:27):
is it scheme? Because Hollywood Brown could go on thirty
teams and not make an impact, and yet it's a
couple of touchdowns on the Chiefs. Is it schemer Mahomes?
Speaker 4 (02:37):
Well, Colin, it's funny I thought last week in particular,
was very scheme based. I thought they had a really
good sense and it comes of course from Andy Reid
and Matt Nagi, a very good sense of what they
were getting from the Lions defense. And now don't forget
the Lions were playing with backup corners on the outside.
They were playing with a number of other backups as well,
(02:58):
and I thought they had a really good few for
what they were going to get in certain situations.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
And I thought it was really scheme based.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
It wasn't a Mahomes game in the sense that, Wow,
he did some special things.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
I thought he executed at.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
A really high level a really well designed offense. I
thought the best individual play he made Colin was on
the first possession when he hit Smith Schuster on the
crosser that was not the primary receiver, that was the
backside crosser. And that was just one of those special
Mahomes plays because Kirby Joseph, who's very good as an
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interceptor reads quarterbacks, well, he was waiting right there and
I think he thought he was going to make a
play on the ball.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
But Mahomes with.
Speaker 4 (03:40):
The arm strength and just his understanding of spatial awareness,
which is as good as anyone we've seen. He just
made a big time throw. But that game was much
more to me watching the tape scheme based than wow,
look at these great individual plays.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
So let's talk about the team that was seen as
the nemesis, the arts nemesis, the primary rival of the Chiefs, Buffalo.
So my take is what you want to do in
the NFL is draft a quarterback, get the right quarterback,
and then make him comfortable weapons and protection. Drake London, Sure,
John Robinson, Michael Pennix. We can just say Buffalo's defense
(04:18):
isn't very good. But I thought Pennix and London and Robinson,
I thought that was a pretty potent, especially indoors. That
was a pretty potent offense, was it not?
Speaker 3 (04:30):
It is?
Speaker 4 (04:31):
And the way they use b John Robinson is really good.
I mean B John Robinson in my view, is the
best running back in the league.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
But he's more than just a running back. They line
him up all over. This is a pistol offense.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
By the way they run pistol a very very high
percentage and the number one run that they have they're
an outside zone run team, which you run out of pistol.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
Seventy one of Bjohn's carries this year, of his eighty
three carries.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
Have come out of pistol and it's outside zone for
the most part, but they really use him in multiple ways.
The Bills don't really have a strong pass rush. They've
tried to upgrade it, but it's still not good enough
with a four man d line and offensively, Colin to me,
when you have Josh Allen, I think that your pass
game needs to be.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
A little more expansive.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
I know they don't have great receivers, but you know
what to me to construct a pass game tactically and
conceptually and the way you attack zone. I think they
need to do more things. You know, Josh Allener quarterback.
He can make throws. I almost feel like they're a
running football team and if the game demands, then it's
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time for Josh.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
But I don't think you can play like that every week.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
I think you need more consistency with what you do
conceptually in your pass game.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Yeah, no, I said it this week is that I
feel like Sean Payton squeezes every ounce out of bow nicks.
Ben Johnson has clearly gotten moret a Caleb than the
previous coach. Andy Reid does it with gadget players and backups.
I rarely watch Buffalo and go wow, that's creative. Offensively,
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I don't. I think they have some players I like,
but I don't see that. Speaking of Caleb, I didn't
think he was great on Monday night. I think there
are two things I worried about it. I agree with you, Yeah,
I watched him out of usc The two criticisms that
were valid consistent accuracy and playing with instructure. I think
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he's gotten better within structure. I think his accuracy is
still a major problem. How would you grade him on
Monday night's win.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
I would say that both of the things you said
are very valid. I think even some completions that he
hasn't been as sharp with his ball location as he
needs to be. That's an area he can must continue
to improve. He throws a beautiful ball, He's an easy thrower.
I think Ben Johnson has really designed some really good
things for him. Touchdown to Swift on third down was
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just a beautifully conceived and well designed play that presented
just an easy routine throw and then of course Swift
with the run after catch. But I think the ball location,
which is the better term now than just accuracy, the
ball location has to get more and more consistent because
there's a lot of inbreaking throws in the Ben Johnson offense,
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and you want to hit receivers on inbreaking throws where
they have run after catch, and he needs to get
better at that because that's foundationally much of what that
offense is in the pass game.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
So you and I have both always loved Justin Herbert
and that Chargers Colts game is going to be a
real game. Herbert made a play to Lad McConkey switching
hands with the ball. Is that what's fascinating about the Chargers. Now,
we know the coach is good, we know Herbert's great,
but they didn't have Quinton Johnson. They didn't have their
top two backs, they didn't have their tackles. So when
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you look at film on the Chargers, and sometimes fans
and immediate we can be unfair with this. There's just
things Greg they can't do now. So when I watched them,
I'm like, you know, Lad mcconky's great, No Quintin Johnson
no tackles third running back for the Chargers to win
that game, traveling three thousand miles, I was actually impressed.
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I thought it would be close now that Alt Hampton
Khalil Max coming back. When you watch the Chargers on film,
is there anything more Herbert and on Harbaugh can do
or this is just what they are now?
Speaker 4 (08:35):
Well, I think they played that game based on tape study,
not to expose the limitations of the offensive line, because
there were a lot of quick rhythm three step drop timing,
quick five step drop timing throws. He rarely dropped back deep,
he did not. He hardly ever threw the ball at
the intermediate and deeper levels. Everything was quick game, Colin,
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And I think your point's right. Right now, they're playing
with backup tackles. Bobby Hart played right tackle. They signed
him last week, he was there for five days and
he's starting at right tackle. So they played this game
not to expose their offensive line, and they played sixteen
snaps with three tight ends and actually ran the ball
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very effectively out of that And even this touchdown to
Vidal came out of three tight ends in the low
red zone.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
So right now, now it's coaching.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
Now you have to understand what you can do and
what you can't do and play accordingly.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
So Philadelphia, speaking of coaching, we've said this before Siriani's
more motivator than scheme guru. And when they had good
coordinator Stikeen and Steikin took over the play calling, they
were elite. He leaves the substitute, find a new OC.
It does not look good, arrys Bin. Then they get
Kellen Moore. It's better now they've made another replacement for
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a young man that was on the staff had never
called plays. I think they have a little bit of
a coaching crisis. People could point to in injuries, but
it's the NFL. Nobody's totally healthy. Don't they have to
Just if I just said to you they run the
ball fifty one times this week with a variety of people,
isn't it just as simple as, guys, here's what we are.
We're a run team. Is it any more complicated than.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
That, Well, not significantly so. But I think when you
watch their tape the last couple of years. Okay, don't
forget they had an historic season a year ago with
the run game. But I think when you watch the
tape and people around the league would echo this, they
were built on having arguably the best O line in
the league, a really good defensive front. Don't forget in
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twenty twenty two. You can talk stich and all you want.
They led the NFL in quarterback sacks and had about
thirty of them on third down. So they were a
team built in the trenches. It started with the O
line and the D line, and right now neither one
of those units is playing at even an average level.
So the question you then ask is where do they
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go from here? You know, get the running game back.
The old line has been poor this year, Colin, not
even average, but poor.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
So the question is what's next?
Speaker 4 (11:08):
Do you have to try to create, you know, to
use your term gimmick type plays on offense?
Speaker 3 (11:13):
What can you do on offense?
Speaker 4 (11:14):
You also, on offense always have to play to what
your quarterback is. And I think they've told you. I
don't think we have to guess this. I think they've
told you by how they play that they believe that
Jalen Hurts has pure dropback limitations, which by the way,
that tape does show. So the question is if they
can't run it, are they limited in what the answers are?
(11:37):
You know, I don't know if we know the answer
one hundred percent, but I think they're kind of telling
you that they're uncertain where to go right now.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Okay, so I got Before we get to our big play,
I want to talk about Green Bay.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
So sure.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
I think Jordan Love is the best quarterback in the
league that nobody will admit is a good quarterback. He's
got the size of the arm movement. We all kind
of know that's a good quarterback. That's an average guy.
I think Jordan's a really good quarterback. But they're not
scoring a ton. They're in a lot of close games. Now,
my interpretation is this is the youngest offense in the league.
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It's almost collegiate. It's twenty three years and twenty four
and twenty five Seattles Shai a little bit of this.
Seattle's really young. They're finding themselves and sometimes this is
early for Jordan. It still doesn't play that many games.
What do you see now? People say, well, they lost here,
they're close here. I think Jordan Love is an exceptional quarterback.
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Not allan, but he's exceptional. What does the tape say?
Speaker 4 (12:38):
You know, it is only third year as a starter,
which is probably hard for people to believe. It's not
as if he's a ten year pro. You know, he's
a third year starter. I think one thing that I've
really noticed on tape, and when I watched him this week,
I even said to one of my guys, you know,
in the matchup room, I said.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
You know, I think he's a little bit less.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
Reckless now and he's become a little more efficient in
how he plays. Every once in a while, i'll throw
one and you go, maybe you shouldn't have done that.
But I think the way he's playing is a little
more refined, a little less reckless, a little more efficient.
So there's not as many big plays, which maybe is
the reason they're not necessarily scoring as many points. They've
gotten the run game going the last couple of weeks,
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but I think they're sort of settling into being a
team that can be that.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
Can win multiple ways.
Speaker 4 (13:23):
They can win with a run game, they can win
with efficient passing, they can win with big play passing,
and I think it will continue to come together. But
the tape really shows a quarterback that I believe is
just maturing.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
Yeah, So tonight Aaron Rodgers takes on Pittsburgh. Now, I
have defended Aaron. Pittsburgh's a very unique offense between Washington
and Hayward and Firemouth and DK metcalf. It looks like
an NBA front court. It's a gig. There's no small
gadgety guy. It is a big, strong, long receiving tight
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end group. And I think Aaron knows that there's matchup
off oportunities. I don't think yet it's a down the
field offense, and I think Aaron knows he's It doesn't
look like it to me, So I think Aaron smartly
is going, hey, listen, we're going to run the ball
fifteen yards an end, play good defense, get turnovers, especially
when we're playing second tier quarterbacks. The PFF grades and
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other grades are like, this is bad. And my take is, well,
personnel dictate scheme. So you tell me, is Aaron letting
go of it early because of age and concern for
health or does the tape show you this is what
they're going to be offensively?
Speaker 3 (14:35):
Well, I can't get into Aaron's head. I'm not sure
anybody wants to do that.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
But one thing does that the tape shows is they're
a very condensed passing game. They played last week with
a lot of six to ozero line personnel. The Darnell
Washington kid is just a tight end, is just a
huge guy in a terrific blocker. So they're really playing
a specific way, which leads you to believe that they
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either feel that that's the best way for Aaron to
play right now, or they don't have enough on the
outside where they feel like they can truly push it
down the field. But right now they're very, very condensed,
and they're winning games.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
That's the thing.
Speaker 4 (15:13):
So you know, you're not going to change until it's
demanded that you change. But he does not push the
ball down the field at all, Colin. I mean, that's
the reality. That's what the tape shows. It's really a
tight offense. It's very condensed.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Yeah, and they they really do. They're the biggest offense
in the league. I mean, Metcalf is the and I
mean they're just so big and physical, and I think
there's different ways to win in this league and that's
how they're going to have to win. Okay, So the
next couple of minutes, I've been so impressed with Drake
May and what's fascinating with young quarterbacks. You know bow
(15:48):
Knicks last year in September as a rookie, you're like,
oh boy, and then in October you're like, Okay, this works.
Drake May has popped in the last three to four weeks.
I watch him. He's accurate, he's confident, he's all had
size and arm strength and movement. What on film are
you looking at with the Patriots kid and going Wow,
that sticks? That lands?
Speaker 4 (16:10):
When I watch him, I feel like there's such a
calculated way in which he plays. He's a very calm player.
He's an easy thrower. He's been phenomenal in two areas
that you really look at for young quarterbacks, that's third
down and versus blitz. But one trait that he clearly
has and a lot of young quarterbacks really struggle with
this is what I call pocket movement, which is different
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than leaving the pocket Colin. He moves around the pocket.
He keeps his eyes downfield. He does not drop his
eyes and look at the rush. He keeps his eyes downfield.
He moves within the pocket and then makes really good throws.
And you don't see a lot of young quarterbacks with
that given trait, because that's a very refined quarterback trait.
(16:55):
But he just looks very comfortable. And you know you
talk about coaches. I know you talked about the Jets.
I heard you speak about that, what do you think
they should do? But you bring in a coach like
Josh McDaniels who's been doing it a long time with
a proven track record, knows how to work with quarterbacks.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
That's the way to me. You have to do it
with a young quarterback.
Speaker 4 (17:14):
And then you can design things too that present clean
looks and clean throws. And we can take a look
at the big play from this week. We're actually seeing
it right now, but we can see it again and
take a look at it.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
This was a great example of that.
Speaker 4 (17:28):
I mean, this was a shot play, and a shot
play is where teams want to push it down the
field when they get between the forties, they want to
take a shot down the field, and how do they
go about doing it? And this was just a great
example of that. They're going to put Drake May under center. Okay,
that's what you normally see with shot plays because there's
going to be a play action element to it, and
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then they're going to take Hunter Henry the tight end.
They're going to motion him across the formation, and what
you're going to end up with is it goes from
a two by two set to a three by one set.
So there's ultimately going to be three receivers to the
wide side of the field. Now, this will eventually impact
the safeties and we're going to see that as we
get further into the play. But let's now take a
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look at what this route concept is. Okay, you're going
to see a very common route concept on shot plays.
It's going to be a corner post and a crossing route.
It's essentially a two man route concept because you're going
to max protect. You're going to end up protecting here
with seven and that's what you do on shot plays
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is you want to make sure the quarterback off the
run action is secure in the pocket. So here you're
going to see the five offensive linemen. They're part of
the protection obviously, but then you've got two more. You've
got Hunter Henry who moved across the formation, and you've
got the third wide receiver, Mac Collins, so they secure
him in the pocket. It's seven man protection. So now
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let's just revisit the route concept. There's the crosser by
Kayshaun Body and here's the corner post by Douglas. Now
he does such a great job here because you know
what happens here. He gets that safety because now the
safety's rotated that single high safety. As soon as he
turns to the sideline, which he will based on the
corner element of the corner post, he's done because now
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he cannot play the post.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
So now I'm not going.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
To say this is an easy throw, Colin, because it's
you know, forty fifty yards down the field.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
But it's a.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
Defined, clean look and that's what you're trying to do
with young quarterbacks. And as I said, this was a
shot play, So this is what they wanted to get
the ball down the field. That was the number one
read here is to throw this ball. But I think
they're doing a really good job with him. There's a
lot of clean looks, clean throws, and he's just played
very calculated, very comfortable, and really has improved.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
I think each and every week.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
Greg co sal NFL films forty six years, as always
we get smarter.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
Thanks Greg, Thanks Colin, appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
For the record, I defended a broadcast for another network
that used to work at this network, and you notice
Greg Cosel said the same thing that broadcaster did, and
I've been saying this week is Caleb wasn't great. He
left about six completions potentially, you know, on the dirt,
and if not, maybe four and then three or four
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other balls. I mean, one of the great things about
Brady and you see that Herbert's really good at this.
In fact, Lad McConkey was talking about it this week,
is that when Herbert lets go with the ball, you
catch the ball. As a receiver moving in that direction,
you didn't. You don't have to wait for Herbert's ball
and you don't have to reach back for it. Accuracy
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is really important, duh. But that's like with Brady guys.
I mean, Edelman's not a four to three guy, but
Edelman runs like that. When he's at full speed and
the ball's in his hands going forward, you can turn
a four to four guy to a four to three guy.
Guys get really fast when they don't have to stop
to catch it. So Caleb's just got to be more
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consistently accurate. And I said when that film came out
in camp where he was getting very frustrated with accuracy.
He's aware of it. He knows it, you know. Jaden
Daniels I thought last year had that Bo Nicks had
it on short throws. Bow is very accurate. If he
gets the ball out to Mims or Franklin or Harvey
right in the sweet spot where I'm going. They don't
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throw hospital balls. There's a lot of things, there's a
lot of tricks. Don't throw balls that get guys hurt.
Don't throw balls where they have to go back and
they set themselves up. That's where Caleb's got to grow.
I do think he's playing and being coachable in structure
that part. I think he's shown clear strides over three weeks.
He may just never be a super accurate quarterback.
Speaker 5 (21:46):
Colin, how much of this is? It was an Island
game on Monday, right. I know there were two games
going on, but really the second half everybody was just
watching Caleb because.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
He played like he did Monday. At one pm on Sunday.
Speaker 5 (21:58):
I don't think there's any this discussion, Well, he missed
a couple throws. It feels like nitpicking. I'm not defending
Ben Johnson pushing back. It's just I thought Caleb was fine.
He's a second year quarterback in a brand new system.
He ain't gonna ever be Dusin Herbert. I'll tell you
that right now, listen.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
And he was fine.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
I said he was fine. Yeah, but let let's not
go beyond it. He was fine and they won. Washington
was driving for the winning the cover and fumbled, so
it's like it was fine. Yeah, you had a three
turnover advantage. You know that. Washington's not a great team
so far. I'm still not sure Jayden Daniels is one
hundred percent. I think he's close to it, but I
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don't think he's quite there.
Speaker 5 (22:38):
But it's interesting because they got the Saints, this weet
the Bears. Okay, line's coming down. There's some money coming
in on the Saints. Not a lot, but it's early.
I'm curious how Caleb handles a little success. Colin right,
his coach is defending him in the media. He beat
Jayden Daniels head to head.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
No, he's a very aspirational kid. He wants to be great.
He's a worker. I don't about any of that. And
you can see he's coachable because he is playing in structure.
That that part I'm seeing. But the accuracy thing, we
got to be honest, Like bow Nicks may never be
a great deep ball thrower, and Caleb maybe around sixty
two and a half percent sixty three with his horsepower,
(23:17):
You're fine.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
But don't say never.
Speaker 5 (23:19):
Say never, because we were seeing Baker turning around, Darnold
turning around, to the point Daniel Jones. I mean, maybe
it's just six games or whatever, but Daniel Jones is
doing things we never saw him do with the Giants.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Remember he was Vanilla vic. He was just running because
he couldn't throw.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
Yeah, no, I think I thought it was an encouraging step.
And I'll say this. The thing about the Bears is
the last two games they won, they would have lost
those last year. They're winning this league. Is w's win
the game? You know this is not baseball where well
you know what, tomorrow we're going to use the bullpen
like win the game. Everything wins solves a lot in
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a locker room. Dave wants that always says that you
can lose two straight games, you can lose games. You
lose three straight, you start losing the locker room. And
so the Bears last year lost the room. They weren't
just losing games. So just winning games on a block
kick or a fumble. You know what, practice is better.
The drive to works better. There's less grumbling. People are
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getting not enough touches. But I still think I need
more Colston Lovelin in the offense. I think he's kind
of lost a little bit more. I want more Luther
Burden to get from Missouri. I think he's good. He
only had I think four catches.
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Speaker 1 (25:14):
I just saw where the Sportico came out with their
latest valuations of the most valuable NBA franchises and the
Warriors at eleven and a half billion dollars are the
most valuable NBA franchise. Lakers follow Nicks or in the
nine billion dollar range, So Clippers I think were fourth.
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It shows you the power of Los Angeles. Years ago,
in the Rams left Saint Louis to go to Los Angeles,
there was a lot of complaining, how can you pull
it out of Saint Louis? How can you not pull
it out of Saint Louis. LA didn't have an NFL franchise.
I think the Spanos is moving up was much tougher
from San Diego, which you had a diehard fan base
(25:55):
up the I five. That was a tougher move, but
they had issues with local politicians, say Lewis is kind
of a dying American city. LA needed like a I mean,
it is Saint Louis Hartford. There are cities in America
that are not ascending and growing, and they're they're not
terribly economically vibrant. And there are cities that like New
York and Chicago and Philly and Boston in Atlanta and
(26:17):
Dallas and LA that are in San Francisco. So, I
you know, I think the reality was when you moved
Los Angeles, Stan Cronke on the team, and it's like,
how do you not do this? I mean for years
and years, Like Las Vegas, You're sitting there thinking no
state tax. It's a it'll be a great winter destination.
You know, you put them in a division. You've got
Denver and you've got Kansas City. Where are you going
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to go? If you have a December game, You're going
to go to Las Vegas or a November game. So
it's just it's interesting. Like the Warriors when I was
a kid, were great, then they went forever of being mediocre.
They're back as a you know, a hot franchise, number
one valuation right now in the NBA. JMAC with now yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
News, no turn on the news.
Speaker 6 (27:05):
This is the herd line news.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
Right cod.
Speaker 5 (27:08):
Let's start with the other New York football team, not
my Jets. Let's go to the Giants Jackson Dartan cam Scataboo.
They got the city taken by storm. The vibes are great.
I got some nicknames for these two. Uh shortly, but first, uh,
let's go to the young QB talking about the new
culture in New York.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
For the Giants, you know, the vibe is just you know,
we're trying to set a standard in.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
The locker room.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
You know, we're trying to play tough. We're trying to
you know, win it all costs.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
Yeah, Denver. Denver is interesting because the Giants ould line
is okay, They're coming off a big win and feeling themselves,
and Denver played poorly and one struggled with the New
York team. They shouldn't my my, my head is telling
me that Denver should win and Jackson Dart and Scataboo struggle.
Speaker 5 (27:58):
Yeah, I think I like where your head is at.
So a couple of nicknames are floating around about these
two guys. Right, there're two young white guys in the Giants.
Dart is handsome, right, he's got that look with the
with the headband going on. So I've seen exciting whites, uh.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
To describe Dart and Scataboo.
Speaker 5 (28:17):
And then someone else has suggested arm and hammer, you know,
like the baking soda. That's good, listen, people love these guys.
We had one of the hair ladies here at Fox
not ladies. She's younger, but she was at the Giants
Eagles game and she's like, Jason, what do you think
of cam Skataboo and she just said his energy just
being like around him. He is just like fun and
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happy and everybody likes that guy. So there's something going
on here. But I think it ends this weekend call.
I think the Broncos put it on him. I'll be
surprised if Jackson Dart survives this game, if he wants
to run like he has been because those Broncos linebackers
are some of the best.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
In the league.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
Yeah, and it's arm and hammer is funny. Sat Scataboo
is he went like in the fourth round. And it's
interesting because I watched a lot of Arizona State, I
watched him in college. I didn't think Jackson Dart was
a first round quarterback. I thought he was a second
round quarterback. Scataboo, I had no idea. So it's very
rare in the NFL when you draft two guys and
there's a lot of questions and they both deliver, both
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are better. Nobody thought Scataboo would be this Yeah. I mean,
I mean, listen, everybody in the league passed on him
three times, and many teams, you know, they passed on
him four times, So everybody's now an expert in hindsight
Scataboo is better than everybody thought. I went back after
that game last week and I went back and looked
at his draft previews, and I mean, there was a
lot people liked about him. But he is a line
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He's an interior linebacker that plays running back and that's
how he played.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Come on, he's awesome. Let me ask you this.
Speaker 5 (29:45):
This is a tough question at right now, as of
this juncture, middle of October twenty twenty five, would you
rather be the Giants or the Jets?
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Now take your time, don't you say old enough?
Speaker 5 (29:56):
The Jets obviously just Jackson dart at your quarterback.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Jets have nothing. Who would you rather be?
Speaker 1 (30:02):
Well, I've said before, the Giants have an elite defensive front.
The Jets are hit and miss. The Giants have their
left tackle. The Giants went healthy, have a star receiver,
apparently a franchise quarterback, and an offensive coach. Okay, Jets
have a coach who appears to be a coordinator.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
I'm gonna go with wrong answer.
Speaker 5 (30:25):
Jackson, dark franchise quarterback after what four games? Simmon down now, Colin,
come on, listen. He may flame out quickly. The Jets
are going to get the number one pick. You want
an elite superstar. We don't know the darts elite.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
You think he's got the potential to be elite.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
We don't know if Dante Moore is a great quarterback.
Speaker 5 (30:44):
Hey, mock draft came out today, Ty Simpson with it
going number one to the Jets. Alabama kid who I've
been hyping on the show.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
I'm just saying, I know Jets fans are down. Guys.
Speaker 5 (30:53):
It's the darkness before the light comes.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
Okay, it's dark right now. It looks bleak. Coward's making
fun of us every day. We're in a good spot.
Speaker 4 (31:00):
All right.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
Let's move on to the Niners.
Speaker 5 (31:02):
Colin finally a topic that J mack likes.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
Brock Purdy. Yes, he's back.
Speaker 5 (31:08):
Colin, one of the best quarterbacks in the league, returns
to practice, but he's limited. I am waiting for Ricky
Piersoll aka Rashi Rice to return to the lineup.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
We don't know. We don't know about Juwan Jennings.
Speaker 5 (31:20):
Obviously, Warner's down for the season and both as well.
Niners Falcons is interesting. Does it matter to you if
it's Party or McEnroe Jones.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
It doesn't necessarily. I'm more interested in Piersall and Iyuk.
It's you know, I feel like Mac Jones and Perdy
can both run the offense. I think Mac throws a
better ball. I think Perdy is a better you know,
he moves a little bit better. I think I like
San Francisco in this game. If they're reasonably healthy. They're
not going to be a great defense. Saula I love,
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but they're not going to be just They just don't
have the personnel right now. Warner's out, Boss out, Tafung's gone,
Funga's gone, green Law's gone. Are for really really high
end players.
Speaker 5 (32:02):
So the problem is the Falcons defensive pressure has been
amazing this year. It's not necessarily the draft of guys.
They just have depth. They keep coming in waves. They
seem to rattle Josh Allen on Monday Night Football, and
if Purdy's not one hundred percent with that toe, they
could be in some trouble this week.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
I'm reluctant to.
Speaker 5 (32:20):
Take the Falcons on the road, but that's an interesting
game Sunday Night Football, not like a Marquee game, but
could be good. Final story, Colin, let's go to the
Dolphins Browns game.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Now, how about this one? We have a weather.
Speaker 5 (32:31):
Report that is saying wins could be fifty to sixty
miles an hour. Now, listen, it's only Thursday, the game
is still Sunday.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
The National Weather.
Speaker 5 (32:43):
Service says this is certainly a system.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
Worth keeping an eye on. Ninety four percent chance of rain.
Speaker 5 (32:50):
Colin listen, I tried to tell people this week, Browns
and the under the young fellow Judkins from Ohio State
probably goes off against this Miami defense.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
And we know two and those South Florida boys.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
Well. Now, also not a bad week for Miami to
yesterday apologized for what he said after the game. So
it's a weird week for Miami. This is not built
for them, although I would you could certainly make a
case that it will force Miami to run the ball
and they have their moments.
Speaker 5 (33:23):
Not again, this Brown's defensive, no way. The run defense
of the Browns is exceptional, top five unit in the league. Listen,
seventeen to six Browns, something like that.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Dylan Gabriel's celebrating. Are you feeling that? Is this in
the hurt hierarchy?
Speaker 5 (33:40):
Not the hurt hierarchy, though blazing five.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
Tomorrow, this is one of the seven games I make
seven picks. I take five. This is one of the seven.
I would be on the home team here, but I don't.
I may have to. I don't like, I don't ever
like taking bad quarterback play and saying, well, the defense.
Bad quarterbacks fumble, Bad quarterbacks limit the playbook. Bad quarterbacks
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don't inspire teammates. I always you know, if I miss
on picks, it's often taking a talented quarterback getting points
that I mean that, that to me is more fun
to watch than bad. I have never bet Spencer Rattler
with the Saints. He doesn't win enough games. He's very average.
I just don't. I don't enjoy putting money and betting
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on teams hoping they don't make mistakes because I know
they have a low ceiling.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
So how about this.
Speaker 5 (34:31):
Have you seen a lot more from Jackson Dart than say,
Dylan Gabriel through a few handful of games.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
You know, one's a first round pick and one's a no.
Speaker 5 (34:41):
No, I'm just talking about what you've seen on the field.
Both have good offensive minds Dable and Stefanski.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
Yeah, it's not close. Jackson's a the better athlete. He
moves better. Yeah, I think Jackson's got a better arm
and moves better. I think Dylan Gabriel in a system
can complete passes, but I think Jackson Dart's the better athlete.
I don't think it's close. J. McK of the News, Well,
that's the news and thanks for stopping by the herd.
Lie that athletic ability for a quarterback for the first
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two years is essential. I mean a lot of the
star quarterbacks in this league, the Allen's, the Herberts, the Lamar,
A lot of these guys Josh Allen as they're learning,
I mean Bo Nicks last year run for first downs.
Caleb Williams, move the chains. Jaden Daniels move the chains.
There's a really high percentage of quarterbacks that hit in
this league. CJ. Stroud had a very good first year question.
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Since it's running for first downs in your first two years,
picking up moving chains while you're learning NFL defenses, it
would be hard to draft the Jared Goff today. It
would be hard to draft that. That's really an outlier.
It's you want guys that can move. Cade club Nick
from Clemson he can move. Dante More at Oregon he
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can move. So these defenses. The coaching in the NFL
is so much more sophisticated. You've got older players more
to coach. You're just getting older, smarter, more experienced players
that have more time. They don't take classes. You know,
they don't have a mid term or a final. So
while you're figuring out how to operate behind an NFL
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offensive line, it's nice to pick up first downs with
your legs.
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Dodgers Glass now going tonight for the Dodgers. They're back
home against Milwaukee and the Brewers have felt totally outclassed.
Oh Tani can't hit, it doesn't matter. The bullpens wobbly,
doesn't matter. They've gotten in s starting pitching from Yoshi
and Snell, so last now they got him from I
think Tampa he was one of these guys that struggles
to stay healthy but has great stuff. So he's going
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in Game three. O Tani I believe is going in
Game four on the mound. So the Dodgers look to
wrap up that series. Back in Los Angeles, I think
Milwaukee wins a game. They're too good not to. And
the Mariners last night got clobbered by the Blue Jays,
but a couple more games in Seattle, I thought it
was interesting. Greg Cosell, one of my criticisms has been
through the years is you know, once you pay your
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quarterback Mahomes or Josh Allen, there's gonna be holes in
the roster. I just think Kansas City does a better
job to patch the holes than Buffalo does. And Greg
Cosell earlier on once again Josh Allen feeling like he's
got to carry Buffalo's offense.
Speaker 4 (37:48):
I think that your past game needs to be a
little more expansive. I know they don't have great receivers,
but you know what to me to construct a pass
game tactically and conceptually, and the way you attack zone.
I think they need to do more things. You know,
Josh Allen, your quarterback, he can make throws. I almost
feel like they're a running football team and if the
(38:10):
game demands, then it's time for Josh. But you I
don't think you can play like that every week. I
think you need more consistency with what you do conceptually
in your pass game.
Speaker 1 (38:21):
Yeah, and this is something we've talked about that you
just don't look at Buffalo very often and think, wow,
creative juggernaut. And you do see that with Denver and
McVeigh and Shanahan and Kansas City. So I think Kansas
City puts Mahomes in a better position to succeed despite
the fact that they you know, they miss on draft
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picks too. Everybody does it wide receiver. You know, they're
a little long in the tooth with Travis Kelcey on offense,
but they just I think you can sum up Kansas
City with Juju Smith Schuster. He gets drafted, he's kind
of underwhelming, He goes to Kansas City, he's very valuable
in a Super Bowl winning run, and then he leaves.
He goes to New England and it doesn't work, and
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he goes back to Kansas City and it works again.
And some of its balms and some of it's just
Andy Reid. They do a really good job of taking
kind of solid players and making them more productive. And
so much of this league is not only drafting and developing,
it's being able to go find veteran players that fit
into your system. New England did a very good job
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of that during Bella Check's prime, Andy Reid veach. That's
what they do. They just find. I mean, look what
the culture doing this year with Daniel Jones. I mean,
did anybody really think he would be doing this? That
is a really smart offensive coach Shane Stiken taking him
and squeezing as many yards as he can out of him. So,
you know, great, even great players need support. I mean
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remember years ago to Lake Kobe Bryant when he was
going to Demand he wanted to be traded to Chicago.
He said, you got to get me another guy. When
they got in pau Gasol and he starts winning titles again.
You don't want obstacles, you don't want hurdles, And I
kind of feel like every couple of years, I feel like,
here we go again. Josh Allen's got to put the
cape on, and I think it's just tough. I don't
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you know, Kansas City to me, is an exceptional team,
the eye test, the coaching. I think Tampa is a
relentless team that's very good, not great. But I think
Kansas City is separated. I always thought, you know, Lamar
and Josh Allen could go toe to toe with Kansas City.
I do not feel that now. Buffalo, Kent, New England's
(40:28):
not ready. You know, the Denver and the Chargers, Khalil Mack,
Joe alt Hampton, somebody at the trade deadline like Alvin Kamara.
Maybe the Chargers are the other team that can. Julian
Edelman three times Super Bowl champ. He's got to love
Drake May and more. Power three nine
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