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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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our two and a Thursday, Greg Cosell, less than five minutes.
It's the Herd. Wherever you may be, We're in Chicago, Jmat.
Cooper Flag made his NBAW last night. Nobody's talking about
it because Wemby went forty points in a thirty minutes.
We played Cooper Flagg the duke kid. He's reduced to
the duke kid now ten points, ten rebounds while.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
He started like ho for two and a half with
like zero in one assists as a starting point guard Colens.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Did you notice it?
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Years ago? There was a show that started called Succession.
First two or three episodes wonky, people like what is this?
Middle late of season one, everybody went it was a
good show here, two, three, four, five and win an Emmys.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
I see what we're doing here?
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Stuff you gotta let it bake.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
And by the way, speaking of baking, one bin Yama,
I mean remember last year we ripped him for taking
all those three pointers. Yeah, well now we know why
he wasn't shooting him because he.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Wasn't strong enough.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
He now looks like a totally different human. Colin I'm
still in awe of what I saw last night.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Yeah, so Cooper flag number one, he reclassified. He should
be a freshman. At Duke. Number two is Dallas asked
him to play point guard. He's a wing. Number three
is he was guarded mostly by Stefan Castle of the
Spurs All rookie team, great defender and number four. He
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was probably nervous, right, so judging him is like judging
a restaurant on opening night. You're still trying to work
out the kings. So again, at Duke, he also had
two All acc guards who are now in the NBA,
so he didn't have to initiate offense, and they asked
him to do that against Tafon Castle. So it's just
point guard and wing in the NBA are two different positions. Sorry,
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he wasn't sho heo tawny last night, hitting three bombs
and striking out ten and six innings. He's going to
be a great player. Dallas got overwhelmed. They don't have
Kyrie Irving. Wemby is unstoppable this point going forward. And
here was Jason Kidd on Cooper Flag's performance.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
He played well. Not aline stat line is not going
to say that, but no one in this room is
sitting in that and his shoes. And so I think
he again, as a rookie, define the way that he plays.
I'm not going to sit here and change his thought process.
He's going to be one of the best players to
play this game. So for him to see as a
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rookie how they're playing him, to be able to go
back and watch the tape because he's going to see
it again.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Yeah, he's going to be fine. Some things need to bake,
give the restaurant a couple of weeks to work out
the kings. He's going to be fine. And with that
forty six years NFL films, it is a Thursday at
second hour. It's Greg Cosel. I want to go immediately
because the game that I thought was so compelling was
Bonnicks against Jackson Dart Denver getting behind rooring back and
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I have been a bo Knicks fan, I don't think
right now he's a great deep ball thrower, and I
do think between Courtland, Sutton and Mims they have deep
ball targets. So he's been trailing a lot. It's been ugly,
it's been clunky. How do you view bow Knicks watching
that game against the Giants.
Speaker 5 (03:36):
I think, quite frankly, Colin, this has been an up
and down season for Nicks.
Speaker 6 (03:40):
It's been very uneven.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Now.
Speaker 5 (03:41):
There are times I watch their pass game and I
think this is a very condensed pass game. I feel
like there's not a lot to it, which is surprising
to say, given its Sean Payton. Now again, he knows
his quarterback better than you and I do. But I
just feel like we're not seeing Nicks the same way
we saw him last because I remember one of the
things that really stood out to me a year ago
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was his ability to make throws between the numbers at
the intermediate levels with a lot of juice. And we're
not seeing very much of that this year at all,
and a lot of the good plays he's making later
in games. We saw it against the Eagles, we saw
it last week against the Giants. He's throwing fade balls
to good receivers where Sutton makes plays. MIM's made a
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play in the game against the Giants, but we're just
not seeing the same kinds of throws that we saw
year ago. I don't have an explanation for that other
than they're not there on the tape right now.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Jackson Dart's playing with a ton of confidence. What are
you seeing there that you like or don't?
Speaker 5 (04:43):
Yeah, I think that that staff's doing a really good job,
particularly on first down. You know, first down is always
the best down to throw on because you're more likely
to get more predictable coverages, more predictable looks. I think
they're doing a really good job with him defining that
for him, because he does tend to be a little
frenetic and chaotic, he tends to move. The play we
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just saw is obviously a coverage breakdown, but his legs
are a big, big factor.
Speaker 6 (05:09):
The concern you.
Speaker 5 (05:10):
Have with him is I think he's been in the
blue ten and every game he started, and he's going
to have to learn. He's going to have to learn
that it's very difficult to play this way all the
time in the NFL. But I think he has good traits.
I'm curious to see as he develops. I mean, just
think of someone like Drake May. Now he doesn't throw
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it as well as Drake May does, but someone like
Drake May. Look how comfortable he's gotten this year and
the fact that when he runs it's calculated, it doesn't
look for netic and he looks very comfortable in the pocket.
Dart is by no means at that level, but he
certainly hasn't played as much as Drake May has.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Let's talk Drake May. So he's on a bit of
a heater right now, and we always love his size
and his mobility. Is there anything that you look at
and go wow? With Rabel and Josh McDaniel he is
noticeably better blank.
Speaker 5 (06:02):
Well, I think one thing, And by the way, I've
always been a big believer that when you have a
young quarterback, you want an NFL coach coaching him that
has a resume in the league. You don't want a
young kid who doesn't have a resume. And obviously that's
Josh McDaniels, and they're clearly doing.
Speaker 6 (06:17):
A great job.
Speaker 5 (06:18):
But I think two things with Drake May have really
stood out to me. Number One, and I didn't think
This showed up on his college tape. I think his
ball placement this year has been really good, and I
think coming out of college a lot of us had
concerns that he was a little erratic with his ball location.
Speaker 6 (06:35):
It's been very, very good.
Speaker 5 (06:36):
The other thing that I think stands out on film
this year about Drake may and it's a trait that
I think is essential for a quarterback is pocket movement.
Speaker 6 (06:44):
Not scrambling, not.
Speaker 5 (06:45):
Running out of the pocket, Colin, but playing within the pocket.
Let's say the size of smaller than a boxing ring,
but where you move within, you step up, you slide right,
you slide left, you climb. I think he's done that really,
really well. And the trade that goes with that that's
critical is keeping your eyes up. You don't drop your
eyes and look at the rush. You feel pressure, you
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never see pressure.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Let's go to Mahomes, a veteran quarterback. I was talking
to J mack earlier. I said this receiving core Worthy,
Rice Hollywood Brown is a little twitchy, and I think
Mahomes is smart enough to say a lot of these guys.
It reminds me the Niners about three years ago with
Debo and Kittle, and McCaffrey just get the ball out. Sure,
let them make people miss. I look at this thing
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and I watch Mahomes and he seems very intentional. He
wants to get that puppy out fast. That's what it
looks like to me.
Speaker 5 (07:41):
Well, it's funny you say that, because that's exactly what
I've been thinking watching him the last number of weeks.
And so very often what I do call and is
I watch tape and I see something, and then I
check a stat I never start with the stats. I
always want to start with the tape. And so I'm
noticing as I watch tape that, boy, this offense looks
really rhythmic, which it has and always, as you well know,
we've discussed that over the years. And so I looked
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up from snap to throw he's number one in the league,
and how quick it comes out.
Speaker 6 (08:08):
Wow, So what you see.
Speaker 5 (08:11):
Is correct, and what I saw on tape is correct.
All of a sudden, this pass game is very rhythmic,
and I think Rice will only help that because Rice
is not really a burner. Rice in many ways works
the same area of the field as Kelsey. He kind
of works between the numbers in the short short to
intermediate areas, and he gives Mahomes a quick place to
deliver the football. And Patrick in these last couple of
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weeks has really played at a super efficient level. Maybe
not the way we think of him, but at a
super efficient level. And I guarantee Andy Reid is not
bothered by that at all.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
Speaking to Niners, I think Shanahan could be coach of
the year. Totally resourceful. No Kittle McCaffrey have thirty touches
last week or thirty one. They're waiting for Iyuk to
come back. Deebo's now a commander. Mac Jones actually sneaky
moves once in a while, shows his mobility, but not
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as much as Perty. When you look at their offense today,
they've had to be very resourceful. I mean, Bosa, sure
fun green Law, they're doing the most of what they have.
What is their offense right now in San Francisco? What
do you see?
Speaker 6 (09:18):
Well?
Speaker 5 (09:19):
I think they wanted to be run first, which always
is the way Kyle Shanahan starts. And I thought last
week was a great example. Because you have to beat
your opponent every week. Obviously you have an overriding philosophy.
Speaker 6 (09:31):
You've heard really good offensive coaches talk about that.
Speaker 5 (09:33):
I've heard Sean mcvagh talk about that, But then you
also script that philosophy to your opponent. And last week
against Atlanta, not a big front, they ran the ball
inside and it was their best running performance of the season.
Sixty five percent of McCaffrey's runs were inside between the tackles.
And do not discount the impact that George Kittle makes
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as a blocker, and not even on blocks.
Speaker 6 (09:56):
Let's say he's playside, because.
Speaker 5 (09:58):
What I noticed watching the film cap even when he
was a backside blocker, he can block defensive ends one
on one, and you know what.
Speaker 6 (10:05):
That allowed them to.
Speaker 5 (10:06):
Do double team on the inside and move people on
the inside. And McCaffrey obviously had the big game. He
had a ton of ten plus yard runs. And also
he's got over five hundred yards receiving already, so he's
on pace for over one thousand receiving yards.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Yeah, I want to talk about Dallas. We got into
this discussion the other day. I said, one of the
advantages sometimes and maybe the Cowboys knew this, but one
of the advantages of George Pickens and Cede Lamb is
that I think it's actually helped their run game. You
can't cheat as a safety because Pickens right, Ceedee Lamb
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separates a true number one. Pickens is more of a
catching radius yards after k very strong player. But when
I watched them on the field, it does feel like
and this is not a great old line. It's not
Detroit or a Denver or Nicholes. My take is Pickens
and I don't know if it was an intended unintended benefit,
Pickens and Ceedee Lamb actually helped the run game because
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the shock of the season to me is this isn't
a great old line. This isn't this isn't even the
Bears interior line. Dallas is running the ball better.
Speaker 5 (11:14):
Why really, Well, well, I think it's the way you
can deploy Pickens and Lamb because Pickens is a true
what we call boundary X.
Speaker 6 (11:23):
He is the single.
Speaker 5 (11:24):
Receiver to the short side of the field. And you
just saw how important that is. Just think back to
last week at the end of the first half. Okay,
they gained seventy seven yards on two plays at the
end of the first half. There's the first one, okay,
and that was what he was, the boundary X, and
you throw it up to him on a fade ball
and he beats Lattimore. Now what this allows Lamb to
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do in the context of this offense is Lamb now
is the movement receiver. You can line him up anywhere
you put him in motion. He gets free access. He
can run multiple route concepts from multiple splits.
Speaker 6 (11:57):
So you have two receivers now who are.
Speaker 5 (12:00):
Are really really good at what they do, and Dak's
playing at a really high level. We just saw the
Lamb touchdown, which was an unbelievable play, by the way,
because that ball on that particular ut concept never goes
to that receiver, but the defense dictated as such. And
the one thing I've really noticed on film, Colin and
this blew me away play action. So I looked up
the numbers. You know what Prescott's numbers are on play
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action this year.
Speaker 6 (12:23):
It's going to blow you away. He's sixty for seventy
one on play.
Speaker 5 (12:27):
Action, which is close to eighty five, close to eighty
five percent, with seven touchdowns on play action at his
seventy one throws and no interceptions. So their play action
pass game is just off the charts.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
A quarterback that is struggling. But again, I thought the
cults were a better team last week. Justin Herbert has
lost three or four. And I know Harbaugh get coach,
and I know Justin's good. My take is I can't
judge him right now. I do think they'll turn it
around when they get everybody back, but they don't have
a run game. I mean, what are you seeing? I
feel a litty bad for Herbert.
Speaker 5 (13:02):
Yeah, there's a disconnect there in my view. And again
I never rip coaches. They know their players better than
I do. But you're dealing with a poor offensive line,
certainly at the tackle position, and I'm sure all To
will be back, if not tonight, certainly next week. But
you're dealing with a poor O line and Herbert has
thrown more passes than any quarterback in the league.
Speaker 6 (13:22):
That's a disconnect.
Speaker 5 (13:23):
So it's very, very difficult to play that way with
a poor O line, poor poor pass protection, and a
quarterback that has too many dropbacks. Now, last week, they
got behind twenty three to three at the half, and
obviously they came out in the second.
Speaker 6 (13:36):
Half and felt that they had to throw.
Speaker 5 (13:38):
But even before Joe Walt got hurt, this offense did
not look I think what we expected it to look like.
There's been too many dropbacks, and even with all there,
it's still not a great old line. So they may
feel they don't have a running back now that o
Marion Hampton is out, they may feel they don't have
a Bellweather running back. And this is the best way
they can play. As I said, they know their players
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better than I. But I just think you can't ask
Justin Herbert to drop back this many times behind that
offensive line.
Speaker 6 (14:07):
It's just bad things are going to happen.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
So Mike Tomlin was upset when the Bengals acquired Joe
Flacco from Cleveland, and now we know why. Flaco has
a history on short rest of beating Tomlin. We've talked
about old Brady and Old Aaron and old Stafford. Sure,
but I watch old Joe Flacco, and that's a guy
that is incomfortable. He gets the playbook after about three practices.
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I mean, what did you say? I find it fun
and easy to watch.
Speaker 7 (14:37):
Oh.
Speaker 5 (14:37):
I love Joe. He's from South Jersey, so I know him.
I know it's family. He's just a guy that you know.
It's funny. I had a chance to really spend time
with him a number of years ago here at NFL films,
and he just.
Speaker 6 (14:48):
He looks at the position.
Speaker 5 (14:49):
I don't want to say like it's easy, but he
doesn't overcomplicate it. And that's one reason you always see
him throw it in the one on ones. You know,
to him, it's the NFL. If it's one on one,
you throw it.
Speaker 6 (14:58):
You know, you talk to.
Speaker 5 (14:59):
Him, it's like, well, if the safety does that, well
then I'm going to throw it over there. If the
safety does something else, I'll throw it somewhere else. I mean,
he's always very sort of simplistic and how he sees things,
and he will always throw the one on ones, and
he will always throw the ball between the numbers, which
are really difficult throws. We know, every once in a
while he makes a throw that you go, Joe, why
do you make that throw?
Speaker 6 (15:19):
But that's because he's always so aggressive.
Speaker 5 (15:21):
And you know, I want to show a play which
was from the last game, that Thursday night game against Pittsburgh,
which to me is just classic Flacco, where not that
the game's easy, but just the way he sees it. Okay,
So this is a thirty seven yard pass on third
and forty Yoshivas and you'll see as we break this
down just the way Joe sees the game. I mean,
the way any quarterback should really On this play, he's
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in the gun here. It's going to be a two
by two set, and we're going to show you where
Chasin Higgins are because they're the key guys here, so
they are critical. Now what they're going to run are
essentially what we call mirrored shallow crossers. They're both running
shallow crossing routes. Now the safety's here, and this makes
perfect sense. Its third down. They're going to drive down
to try to take away Chasin Higgins. They're kind of
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bracket double type situations. That makes perfect sense. So now
Joe's going to see that. So now what does he have?
He is Yoshavas one on one against Darius Slay. So
this is just what I'm talking about. The safety's dropped down,
there's the one on one. That's who you throw it to.
And I guarantee Joe would talk about it just like that.
He'd say, yeah, that's who you throw it to because
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it's one on one and you know that's a third
and four and it's thirty seven yards. But that's the
way he plays the game. He just sees it cleanly.
Of course he's played a lot of football.
Speaker 6 (16:34):
And you mentioned getting a playbook in three days.
Speaker 5 (16:36):
There's probably not a lot in a playbook column that
Joe Flecco hasn't seen.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Yeah, Greg Cosel forty six years NFL Films. Thanks Greg,
Thanks Colin.
Speaker 6 (16:45):
Appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
Tonight Thursday Night Football, we'll talk about that. I got
some thoughts on the Knicks. I watched the entire Knicks
Cavs game. Aaron Rodgers. Is it his leadership? Is it
his intelligence? People are complicating that in that NBA store
Kashptel FBI earlier between a poker ring that sounds like
casino meets rounders to come handful of NBA people involved
(17:11):
in prop bets and the unders. It is a wild story.
These are accusations. The coach, Chauncey billups in Portland temporary leave.
Terry Roser the player in Miami temporary leave. He was
also nursing an injury. So two active current a coach
and a player I've been jettison for the time being
(17:35):
in the NBA.
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Speaker 1 (18:18):
Dave Roberts, Dodger manager, top of Next Hour. I watched
the entire Knicks Calves game last night and it reminded
me a lot of last season. Karl Anthony Towns a
couple of dumbfowls early that in the fourth goes off.
Does what he does offensively is a crazy talent. They
kind of separate and beat the Calves. Jalen Brunson didn't
play particularly great. I didn't shoot the ball that well
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had the ball in his hands. They've got several players
Deuce McBride, og Bridges who are capable of hitting fifteen
to eighteen points on any given night. The Knicks are
a very good team. My question, same with the Calves,
is are they good enough. They're a good team. I
could do the little less Jimmy fallon pretending he loves
(19:01):
the NBA. But outside of that, they're a good team.
They're a good watch. They have an elite point guard.
I see teamwork. They're Villanova of the NBA. I see passion.
They play hard. They've got multiple guys who can hit
shots if you need him. I do think Carl Anthony
Towns and Brunton on the floor together gives you a
defensive hole that in the East will not be enough
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of a hole to get beat on most nights. It
won't be exposed in the East. But I do feel
like watching them, they're like six years ago watching a
really dominant or really good Big twelve football team in
the Western conferences, the SEC. I don't think they match
up with the NBA's best. They're good. I feel like
I watched the team that I saw last year. I
see teamwork, I see passion, I see elite point guard.
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I see Karl Anthony Towns absolutely crazy elite talent. Here
was Brunson after the win over the Cavs.
Speaker 10 (19:51):
I think the most important thing that we do is
to come with a clear mind and open to learning,
open to get in better years different you know, obviously
we have a lot of returning guys and stuff like that,
so that may be the same, but things are different,
and it's all about how you adapt and how you
adjust and.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
Learning on the flies. It's gonna be good for us.
Speaker 8 (20:13):
It's gonna be keep us fresh.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
Yeah, I was watching it last night, and the Knicks
have become a good franchise. I would not have gotten
rid of TIBs. I think it was a fifty to
fifty split with fans. Mike Brown's more than capable, been
around the league, nice guy, smart guy, players like him
Tibbs and can be a little rougher. I didn't think
Tibbs was overly creative offensively. But Brunson's got the ball
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in his hands all the time. The offense is Jalen Brunson.
And this is not college where the coach is dictating
what you're run. The game is so fast and fluid.
The offense is Jalen Brunson. When he's hot, it's a handful.
When he's not, like last night, it can be a
bit clunky and they have to rely on og or
Bridges or cat to take over early in the fourth.
That's what they are. They're good, and that's good enough
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probably in the East, to get into the conference finals
if they're healthy. Jmack with the news.
Speaker 8 (21:10):
This is the herd Line News.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
All right, let's go to the NFL and the Tampa
Bay Buccaneers. One of the better stories the first quarter
of the season.
Speaker 11 (21:18):
Here.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
Colin took a tough loss against Detroit on Monday Night football.
But man, I'm looking at that injury report. Oh boy,
it's not looking good against the Saints this weekend. Baker
Mayfield has chimed in on letting the media know what
he thinks about the New Orleans Saints.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
Hasn't exactly been clean play from their part when we
play them. It's a physical game. It is what it is.
You expected division rival. Yeah, I like that. He just
throws it out there. They're cheap shot artists.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Well, remember Lattimore and Evans used to go out it.
But Latimore has been shipped out of town. He's not
there anymore. By the way, Mike Evans obviously out. Sounds
like he's gonna miss almost the entire season. Godwin not
back yet. He came back briefly, they got hurt again
at Bucky Irving. My guy who carries me in fantasy,
gonna miss again. I mean, I thought Tampa Bay would
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be the side here. Anything from you on this Buck Saints, No, I.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Think the lines about right. If Tampa was healthy, I
think they'd work them. It's not a great slate this weekend.
I've had really back to back great weeks, and it's
not a great numbers week. It's a lot of crossing
your fingers. I like a lot of favorites this week,
but the favorites I like are beat up. So I
do not think this is a good week for numbers.
(22:37):
I think I think Saturday is a much better week.
Last two weeks, I've eaten it up four and one,
four and one. I don't like the numbers. There's two games
I like a lot. So it's just one of those
where you watch tonight. I'll look at the injury report.
You cross your fingers on Sunday, guys are healthy, I
may take Tampa. I'll just wait.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Yeah, basically, you toss out Thursday night and toss out Monday.
Since it's a ten and a half twelve and a
half points, so now you're down basically to eleven games
because there's six teams on a buy and I like
two numbers. I'll have to wait for them. You haven't
told me, because you know, you keep this stuff close
to the vest when you're running hot, when you're cold.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
You're asking me for advice. But anyways, let's go to
Justin Jefferson.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Colin and the Minnesota Vikings, the best gritty in the NFL.
Justin Jefferson, he's having a great start to his career.
Crazy number here, he's played with eight different quarterbacks. Justin
Jefferson enters Thursday Night Football needing just forty to surpass
Julio Jones as the fastest player to reach eight thousand
receiving yards. Julio did an eighty five. Jefferson playing in
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his eighty fourth tonight. Somehow the Chargers are taking money here.
This was three most of the week, now three and
a half. Yeah, I don't have much here. I got
a couple buddies going to the game, but I don't
know that this is even that interesting of a game.
If it was McCarthy against Harball, I would be into it.
But this Carson Wentz experience. Man, we talked about it yesterday.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
This is not a good quarterback right.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
Well, and the Chargers are just a shadow of what
they would be. Is you're really getting sort of the
B team offensively, and you can't ask any quarterback in
this league, including Mahomes, to throw it fifty five times
a game. It's just not fair, that's not I've said
this with Mahomes, I'll give you thirty three throws a game.
With most quarterbacks in the NFL, including Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnold,
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like guys who are getting going to get Pro Bowl consideration,
twenty eight times a game is about what you want
your quarterback throwing. If they're throwing thirty eight, that means
you trail. If you're throwing forty eight, it means you're desperate.
So asking him to throw closer to fifty eight throws
and fifty six throws and fifty five throws, that tells
you Harbor doesn't want to do that. Harbaugh go back
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to JJ McCarthy at Michigan. He rarely went an entire
half where he didn't throw the ball at all. So
they're playing a game they don't want to play right now.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Yeah, I mean, we still the Hampton's not back this
Joe Alt stuff.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
I'm almost sick of reading about it.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
I'll just say I think the dog have been barking
on Thursday Night football this season. Remember last week obviously,
uh Bengals beat the Steelers, So just just be careful
before laying it with the Chargers.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
Final story.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Can let's go to a little NFL beef? We need
more of these, They're fun. Yesterday we broke down the
Sean Payton wore of words with Russell Wilson. Russ jumped
on social media to call Peyton's comments classless.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
Invoking the bounty Gate scandal, which always cuts deep.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Well, now Sean Payton is backtracked from his comments and saying,
my bad, it was taken out of context.
Speaker 12 (25:32):
That was strictly about dark I mean, and that was
in no way, shape or form anything that was.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
Directed at Russ.
Speaker 12 (25:45):
So and I might be able to see how he
might perceive that, but coming off that win and watching
how he played, yeah, that that wasn't any intention at all.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
Yeah I said that. Not really, They're just different. They're
just different personalities and that's okay. I mean, one guy's
hot wire, he's raw, and it's like the Lebron Westbrook
thing we talked about, the mistake is by the front
office of the Lakers. Those are two different personalities totally.
Lebron's more calculated and measured. He's got great self awareness
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when it comes to basketball, and you know, Westbrook's going
one hundred miles an hour. Russell Westbrook would admit that,
has admitted that he plays the way he plays, and
they're just not complimentary players and their personalities are different,
and so we always blame the player, you know, and
like sometimes it's the front office. I think when Sean
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Payton took that job, my take was, Oh, that Russell
thing's not going to work. Knowing both of them a
little bit, I'm like, that's not gonna work. So you know,
it's just, yeah, listen, I've had to work with people
that I don't connect with. Just take the high road,
don't punch down, move on. I think if if Sean
could have taken that back, he probably would have. But
he's just he's wrang. Sewan's gonna tell you what he thinks.
Speaker 6 (27:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
Jmck with the news, Well that's the news, and thanks
for stopping that.
Speaker 8 (27:13):
The herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Greg Cosell Chris Simms. Today, Dave Roberts, Dodgers manager, I
talked about this. I think Toronto's a tough matchup for
the Dodgers because Toronto scores runs and hits the ball
and gets on base. I thought that about Milwaukee. Toronto's
a more talented version of Milwaukee with Lad Guerrero and
George Springer, who's, you know, one of the great clutch
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hitters the last ten years in baseball postseason clutch hitters.
So Dave Roberts will join us. But it is interesting,
as somebody who spent a lot of time in California
over the last eight nine years, there's this animosity toward
the Dodgers, and I'm like, I can remember when I
lived out East and worked for the other place. The
Yankees and Red Sox owned the offseason, and it was
considered elevating baseball. Oh, what a joyful more Red Sox
(28:00):
the Yankees again battling for the pennant. I didn't have
a problem with it. It was fun. It was fun
to be part of it. I would come home every
day workout and my little home gym, turned the TV
on and watch talk radio and sports radio talking about
the Yankees. And the Red Sox, and it felt like
Duke Caroline and basketball or Raven Steelers rivalry ten years
fifteen years ago. But everybody now, just like people fear
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what they think is pulling away from them in society
and business in life, they hate what they fear. And
I think the feeling is with the LA economy and
the attractive weather. It's one thing if New York is
winning and overpaying for it, everybody in New York, even
the rich, have to sacrifice. But in La, if you're rich,
you know what I mean, the weather's perfect, the economy's good,
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the Pacific Ocean. There's a little bit of anti California
sentiment about everything, their politics, their sports. And it would
be much easier to hate the Dodgers if they had
a bunch of jerks, or if they had a bunch
of egos, or they were doing what the Astros did,
or they were the Kardashians flashing their wealth. But I
said this, Max Munsey got cut by the A's and
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I think he's the all time postseason home run leader
in Dodger history, like ahead of Steve Garvey. Uh So,
you know, I don't, I mean, you're Colin, you lived
in California. You you I'm just telling you knowing people
that cover them. When you see the guys around town,
they're just guys, They're just just it's funny.
Speaker 11 (29:27):
In La.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
The sports stars are very chill. Matt Stafford's chill. La
Kings are chill. The Dodgers, the Rams, uh. I don't
think it's an unlikable team. Astros, I got it. Some
Yankee teams, I get it. Coming up next? Is it
leadership talent? What is it with Aaron and the Steelers?
I've got to take next third.
Speaker 8 (29:49):
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Speaker 2 (29:59):
Tomorrow, the World Series begins on Fox as Shoe Otani
and the reigning champion Dodgers take on the lad Junior
in the Blue Jays. Game one of the World Series.
Coverage begins tomorrow, seven Eastern on Fox.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
All Right, Dodgers are nine and one in the postseason.
I thought the Milwaukee Series was shocking. The Brewers hit
one eighteen. That's not gonna happen with Toronto. But it's
a historic run. And if the Dodgers win, they officially
classify as a dynasty. And what's scary for everybody else
is Roki and Yoshi uh and Otani hasn't even played
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particularly well and most of the postseason Mookie Betts is
in his prime. They got some older guys, for sure,
but it's a lot of these players are young and
not even in their prime yet. By the way, on
the gambling story with the FBI, the way I look
at all of this stuff, the reality of a free
society is it allows people to make really poor choices.
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And I don't want to live in a society with
perpetual stop signs. If you can't monitor your eating and
your alcohol and your cannabis and you're gambling, many of
us can, most of us. So when you live in
a society with the freedoms and the liberties that America has,
it does allow a lot of poor choices. Don't make them, Okay,
(31:19):
That's how I look at all this stuff. I don't
want to live in a rigid society or a society
that's constantly telling me you can't do that, Nor do
I want to be friends with people who are precious
and idealistic and unrealistic. I had a cocktail. Last night,
I didn't have two. I had a beautiful dinner and
a cocktail, and then I put it down and watch
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the NBA for the next two hours. And I feel
bad for people that make poor choices. But this is
the downside to being in a society that'll have so
many freedoms and opportunities. People screw themselves up. People do
not do a good job of managing themselves. Not all people,
maybe not a majority of people, but as we this
morning with the FBI story, plenty of people. Okay, So
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I saw a headline today. Aaron Rodgers is a different
kind of leader. One the Steelers needed, maloney. He's competent.
That's all this offense is about. Aaron's competent. Go back
to Big Ben twenty twenty, twenty twenty one. Do you
remember those teams. They couldn't run the ball, and I
remember a lot of punts. Then they pivoted to Kenny
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Pickett twenty two and twenty three. They couldn't pass the ball,
and I remember a lot of punts. And then they
pivoted to Justin Fields and Russell Wilson last year, and
they couldn't do anything, and they were atrocious in the
red zone. This team is good in the red zone better,
and they're pretty good on third down, and they run
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it a little better and they don't throw it down
the field a ton. But they're just competent. This is
not about leadership. It's about a grown up who's been around.
Aaron moves better than people give him credit for. He's
doing a good job of using the size of his
top four targets. And that's what this really is. It's
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his passer rating right now. One to five is the
highest for any Steeler quarterback ever. So old Big Ben
it was ugly. They couldn't run, and then Canny Pickett
that was ugly. They couldn't pass. Last year, they couldn't
do anything. In fact, the two quarterbacks they let go
up from last year are zero and nine this year.
And Mike Tomlin won ten games with the guys last year.
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So Mike Tomlin just needed competency. It's not about leadership.
Aaron makes good decisions. He still moves, okay, he really does.
He's not Drake may Or, he's not bow Nicks. He
moves fine, and he's confident and he loves football and
he talks football, and Mike Tomlin addresses that.
Speaker 7 (33:50):
He loved it. It's who he is. He loves the process,
he loves the talk ball, he loves to educate his
teammates to get on the same page. He doesn't tire
in terms of seeking resolution to issues. It's just a
lot of good things about him, other than obviously his
physical talents and skills that have been really impressive. And again,
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as I mentioned, not that I'm not shocked, not that
I'm shocked by it, but it's still highly appreciated.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
The only thing I worry about, I mean Aaron Rodgers
at this point is precious cargo. Like when he makes
a great play. Please, if you're a three hundred and
forty pound lineman Broderick Jones, please don't rush over and
tackle Aaron Rodgers. And it's like one of those packages
you said, and you know you put the ribbon around
it like fragile. Aaron talked about that.
Speaker 11 (34:41):
The only tackle I had the other night was Broderick.
So better than that, I'm feeling pretty good. Rod is
always the first one to come find me after a play.
It could be like the first big pass down to
DK on third down, He's coming and dapping me up
and what you don't see in the video is right
after the throw, he's coming order me and shaking me
and shaking me, and like I text him, I said, man,
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I love your energy. Yes, I love everything you're about.
We also, I'm forty one. Okay, you can't be out
there and tackling me.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
Yeah, he's a bit precious Cargo. I actually love the
Steelers in this spot this weekend. This is one of
my favorite numbers that's come down. And the reason I
like it is because Mike Tomlin as an underdog at home,
chip on his shoulder, Aaron, you know, he wants to
play well against the Packers and Green Bay's playing with
their food. They haven't been overly impressive, even though the
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Colts and the Packers are the only teams with only
one loss. So it's a great spot. I think it's
one of the real entertaining games of the week. I
think the two games I really want to watch. I
think this game is interesting. I think if Lamar Jackson plays,
we can look at the schedule. I think if Lamar
Jackson plays, that game of the Bears is really really interesting.
And and I'll say this, I think the Giants at
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Philadelphia is interesting. The Giants are real. What you're seeing
with the Giants is not a mirage. Sometimes in February September,
when the weather's good, teams look real, glossy and speedy
and quick in front. Miami Dolphins do that, but then October, November, December,
it gets cold. You got to run the football, you
need pass protection, your quarterback needs to have a stronger arm,
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and they kind of regress. I think the New York
Giants are real, and I think they'll get Philadelphia a
real game. I think Jackson Dart has been surprising. It
is not a great It is not a great schedule
this weekend. There are a lot of quarterbacks hurt. But
I just read this from Jeff Zriebeek. He's a reporter.
Lamar Jackson is practicing second straight day. Seem to be
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working at a similar rate as of yesterday. So I
think that the Chicago Bears have won four straight Jay Mack,
and they've been beating kind of the dregs of the NFL.
This would be an impressive win. Baltimore's getting healthy. I
will say this, and we talked about it earlier, because
there's a microscope on Caleb Williams. If you look at
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his first six games with Ben Johnson and Jared goff
in Detroit's first six games, and Detroit had Piney Suwel
an amor on Saint Brown and a very good old line.
It's the same. The difference is we didn't watch golf early.
We're watching Caleb. I think it's a really good game.
I think the numbers inflated. Do you think with a
healthy Ravens team and the one thing they have that
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Chicago is four and two, of course they want to win.
Baltimore feels like they have to win the next five
games they play. That's why I like the Ravens here.
Speaker 3 (37:30):
Yeah, I'm with you.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
It seems like the Bears are getting not only just lucky,
but the turnovers are breaking their way. They have like
thirteen turnovers plus thirteen in the last four games, like
come on and the quarterbacks.
Speaker 3 (37:41):
They fa Spencer Rattler.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
Jaden Daniels in the Rain, the Immortal Geno Smith, and
then Dak Prescott in the game Ceedee Lamb went down
and if you remember, they had like two or three turnovers.
Speaker 3 (37:52):
I believe in the red zone in that game the
Cowboys did. So I'm with you. I like the Ravens. Colin,
you're making me nervous here.
Speaker 11 (37:58):
Man.
Speaker 3 (37:59):
You're on a and you don't like the games.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
I mean, if you're not seeing stuff you like this weekend,
what are the rest of us gonna do?
Speaker 3 (38:05):
And I'm not with you on Pittsburgh though.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
I don't see what you're seeing there besides the Mike
Tomlin as an underdog at home. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
I will say this about Caleb Williams is he has
been under such a microscope. When he replaced Spencer rattleryd Oklahoma.
I remember the game and you're like, oh my god,
this kid is really special. And then he goes to
USC and he just he puts up huge numbers. Then
he goes to Chicago and I think he's getting better.
I think it doesn't always look pretty. And I tend
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to watch quarterbacks and coaches their body language. Ben Johnson
clearly gets frustrated with him, but Caleb this week talked
about Ben in their relationship.
Speaker 13 (38:42):
There are things that I can be better at. There
are things that I'm going to be better at. There
are things that you know that that you know weren't
hitting a day, and you know you just have those
days sometime and It's nice that we have a defense.
We have a special teams, a punter or whatever you
want to say, kicker that can put us ahead, that
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can help us win games, a run game that can
you know, control the game. And so, you know, we
get this figured out on my side, we'll be a
you know, we'll be putting up a lot of points
to be very dangerous.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
Big story today the NBA, the FBI, J McK and
I talked about that. It is, these are accusations. It's
not a good day for Chauncey Billups, who I always
thought was one of the more kind of mature players
coaches in the NBA. Not a great day. I will
say there was some internet video of Terry Rosier with Miami.
(39:37):
That stuff surfaced last year, and you know there were
a lot of people saying this is weird video, like
it looks intentional. Do you remember you remember seeing that?
Speaker 3 (39:46):
Yeah, certainly.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
Now I will say the his his agent came out
or his lawyer, sorry, Arrozier came out and is staunchly
defending Hey. He talked to the FBI multiple times in
twenty three, the NBA interviewed him for.
Speaker 8 (39:58):
Over a year.
Speaker 2 (39:59):
He's been clear by the league. That video is extremely
suspicious when you watch it, But I don't know what
to make a rosier. Just to be clear, you did
make a good point. The bill up stuff is totally
separate from gambling on the NBA. That's the poker game, yes,
with the alleged mafia. And there are some videos circulating
that that you know from Reddit and stuff, that are
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worth watching. I'll just say that in regard to those
poker games.
Speaker 3 (40:23):
But I don't know.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
Do you think Adam Silver is like really nervous about this?
I mean, well, I think Hill just got in bed
with Calshi. You know, the prediction market. So the sports
leagues are intertwined with gambling. You know that, of course
they are. Yeah, and and so you know, I don't
I'm not going to get on my high horse. I
think transparency like this, I've said, these are these are
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actually good days, Like let's let's find the bad actors.
But it's Lakosa Nostra is involved, like thirteen members of
LaCOSA Nostra.
Speaker 3 (40:53):
Not great, no, but I listen.
Speaker 1 (40:56):
Then they've done documentaries on Henry Hill Boston College in
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our two and a Thursday, Greg Cosell, less than five minutes.
It's the Herd. Wherever you may be, We're in Chicago, Jmat.
Cooper Flag made his NBAW last night. Nobody's talking about
it because Wemby went forty points in a thirty minutes.
We played Cooper Flagg the duke kid. He's reduced to
the duke kid now ten points, ten rebounds while.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
He started like ho for two and a half with
like zero in one assists as a starting point guard Colens.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Did you notice it?
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Years ago? There was a show that started called Succession.
First two or three episodes wonky, people like what is this?
Middle late of season one, everybody went it was a
good show here, two, three, four, five and win an Emmys.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
I see what we're doing here?
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Stuff you gotta let it bake.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
And by the way, speaking of baking, one bin Yama,
I mean remember last year we ripped him for taking
all those three pointers. Yeah, well now we know why
he wasn't shooting him because he.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Wasn't strong enough.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
He now looks like a totally different human. Colin I'm
still in awe of what I saw last night.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Yeah, so Cooper flag number one, he reclassified. He should
be a freshman. At Duke. Number two is Dallas asked
him to play point guard. He's a wing. Number three
is he was guarded mostly by Stefan Castle of the
Spurs All rookie team, great defender and number four. He
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was probably nervous, right, so judging him is like judging
a restaurant on opening night. You're still trying to work
out the kings. So again, at Duke, he also had
two All acc guards who are now in the NBA,
so he didn't have to initiate offense, and they asked
him to do that against Tafon Castle. So it's just
point guard and wing in the NBA are two different positions. Sorry,
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he wasn't sho heo tawny last night, hitting three bombs
and striking out ten and six innings. He's going to
be a great player. Dallas got overwhelmed. They don't have
Kyrie Irving. Wemby is unstoppable this point going forward. And
here was Jason Kidd on Cooper Flag's performance.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
He played well. Not aline stat line is not going
to say that, but no one in this room is
sitting in that and his shoes. And so I think
he again, as a rookie, define the way that he plays.
I'm not going to sit here and change his thought process.
He's going to be one of the best players to
play this game. So for him to see as a
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rookie how they're playing him, to be able to go
back and watch the tape because he's going to see
it again.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Yeah, he's going to be fine. Some things need to bake,
give the restaurant a couple of weeks to work out
the kings. He's going to be fine. And with that
forty six years NFL films, it is a Thursday at
second hour. It's Greg Cosel. I want to go immediately
because the game that I thought was so compelling was
Bonnicks against Jackson Dart Denver getting behind rooring back and
(03:16):
I have been a bo Knicks fan, I don't think
right now he's a great deep ball thrower, and I
do think between Courtland, Sutton and Mims they have deep
ball targets. So he's been trailing a lot. It's been ugly,
it's been clunky. How do you view bow Knicks watching
that game against the Giants.
Speaker 5 (03:36):
I think, quite frankly, Colin, this has been an up
and down season for Nicks.
Speaker 6 (03:40):
It's been very uneven.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Now.
Speaker 5 (03:41):
There are times I watch their pass game and I
think this is a very condensed pass game. I feel
like there's not a lot to it, which is surprising
to say, given its Sean Payton. Now again, he knows
his quarterback better than you and I do. But I
just feel like we're not seeing Nicks the same way
we saw him last because I remember one of the
things that really stood out to me a year ago
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was his ability to make throws between the numbers at
the intermediate levels with a lot of juice. And we're
not seeing very much of that this year at all,
and a lot of the good plays he's making later
in games. We saw it against the Eagles, we saw
it last week against the Giants. He's throwing fade balls
to good receivers where Sutton makes plays. MIM's made a
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play in the game against the Giants, but we're just
not seeing the same kinds of throws that we saw
year ago. I don't have an explanation for that other
than they're not there on the tape right now.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Jackson Dart's playing with a ton of confidence. What are
you seeing there that you like or don't?
Speaker 5 (04:43):
Yeah, I think that that staff's doing a really good job,
particularly on first down. You know, first down is always
the best down to throw on because you're more likely
to get more predictable coverages, more predictable looks. I think
they're doing a really good job with him defining that
for him, because he does tend to be a little
frenetic and chaotic, he tends to move. The play we
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just saw is obviously a coverage breakdown, but his legs
are a big, big factor.
Speaker 6 (05:09):
The concern you.
Speaker 5 (05:10):
Have with him is I think he's been in the
blue ten and every game he started, and he's going
to have to learn. He's going to have to learn
that it's very difficult to play this way all the
time in the NFL. But I think he has good traits.
I'm curious to see as he develops. I mean, just
think of someone like Drake May. Now he doesn't throw
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it as well as Drake May does, but someone like
Drake May. Look how comfortable he's gotten this year and
the fact that when he runs it's calculated, it doesn't
look for netic and he looks very comfortable in the pocket.
Dart is by no means at that level, but he
certainly hasn't played as much as Drake May has.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Let's talk Drake May. So he's on a bit of
a heater right now, and we always love his size
and his mobility. Is there anything that you look at
and go wow? With Rabel and Josh McDaniel he is
noticeably better blank.
Speaker 5 (06:02):
Well, I think one thing, And by the way, I've
always been a big believer that when you have a
young quarterback, you want an NFL coach coaching him that
has a resume in the league. You don't want a
young kid who doesn't have a resume. And obviously that's
Josh McDaniels, and they're clearly doing.
Speaker 6 (06:17):
A great job.
Speaker 5 (06:18):
But I think two things with Drake May have really
stood out to me. Number One, and I didn't think
This showed up on his college tape. I think his
ball placement this year has been really good, and I
think coming out of college a lot of us had
concerns that he was a little erratic with his ball location.
Speaker 6 (06:35):
It's been very, very good.
Speaker 5 (06:36):
The other thing that I think stands out on film
this year about Drake may and it's a trait that
I think is essential for a quarterback is pocket movement.
Speaker 6 (06:44):
Not scrambling, not.
Speaker 5 (06:45):
Running out of the pocket, Colin, but playing within the pocket.
Let's say the size of smaller than a boxing ring,
but where you move within, you step up, you slide right,
you slide left, you climb. I think he's done that really,
really well. And the trade that goes with that that's
critical is keeping your eyes up. You don't drop your
eyes and look at the rush. You feel pressure, you
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never see pressure.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Let's go to Mahomes, a veteran quarterback. I was talking
to J mack earlier. I said this receiving core Worthy,
Rice Hollywood Brown is a little twitchy, and I think
Mahomes is smart enough to say a lot of these guys.
It reminds me the Niners about three years ago with
Debo and Kittle, and McCaffrey just get the ball out. Sure,
let them make people miss. I look at this thing
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and I watch Mahomes and he seems very intentional. He
wants to get that puppy out fast. That's what it
looks like to me.
Speaker 5 (07:41):
Well, it's funny you say that, because that's exactly what
I've been thinking watching him the last number of weeks.
And so very often what I do call and is
I watch tape and I see something, and then I
check a stat I never start with the stats. I
always want to start with the tape. And so I'm
noticing as I watch tape that, boy, this offense looks
really rhythmic, which it has and always, as you well know,
we've discussed that over the years. And so I looked
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up from snap to throw he's number one in the league,
and how quick it comes out.
Speaker 6 (08:08):
Wow, So what you see.
Speaker 5 (08:11):
Is correct, and what I saw on tape is correct.
All of a sudden, this pass game is very rhythmic,
and I think Rice will only help that because Rice
is not really a burner. Rice in many ways works
the same area of the field as Kelsey. He kind
of works between the numbers in the short short to
intermediate areas, and he gives Mahomes a quick place to
deliver the football. And Patrick in these last couple of
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weeks has really played at a super efficient level. Maybe
not the way we think of him, but at a
super efficient level. And I guarantee Andy Reid is not
bothered by that at all.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
Speaking to Niners, I think Shanahan could be coach of
the year. Totally resourceful. No Kittle McCaffrey have thirty touches
last week or thirty one. They're waiting for Iyuk to
come back. Deebo's now a commander. Mac Jones actually sneaky
moves once in a while, shows his mobility, but not
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as much as Perty. When you look at their offense today,
they've had to be very resourceful. I mean, Bosa, sure
fun green Law, they're doing the most of what they have.
What is their offense right now in San Francisco? What
do you see?
Speaker 6 (09:18):
Well?
Speaker 5 (09:19):
I think they wanted to be run first, which always
is the way Kyle Shanahan starts. And I thought last
week was a great example. Because you have to beat
your opponent every week. Obviously you have an overriding philosophy.
Speaker 6 (09:31):
You've heard really good offensive coaches talk about that.
Speaker 5 (09:33):
I've heard Sean mcvagh talk about that, But then you
also script that philosophy to your opponent. And last week
against Atlanta, not a big front, they ran the ball
inside and it was their best running performance of the season.
Sixty five percent of McCaffrey's runs were inside between the tackles.
And do not discount the impact that George Kittle makes
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as a blocker, and not even on blocks.
Speaker 6 (09:56):
Let's say he's playside, because.
Speaker 5 (09:58):
What I noticed watching the film cap even when he
was a backside blocker, he can block defensive ends one
on one, and you know what.
Speaker 6 (10:05):
That allowed them to.
Speaker 5 (10:06):
Do double team on the inside and move people on
the inside. And McCaffrey obviously had the big game. He
had a ton of ten plus yard runs. And also
he's got over five hundred yards receiving already, so he's
on pace for over one thousand receiving yards.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Yeah, I want to talk about Dallas. We got into
this discussion the other day. I said, one of the
advantages sometimes and maybe the Cowboys knew this, but one
of the advantages of George Pickens and Cede Lamb is
that I think it's actually helped their run game. You
can't cheat as a safety because Pickens right, Ceedee Lamb
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separates a true number one. Pickens is more of a
catching radius yards after k very strong player. But when
I watched them on the field, it does feel like
and this is not a great old line. It's not
Detroit or a Denver or Nicholes. My take is Pickens
and I don't know if it was an intended unintended benefit,
Pickens and Ceedee Lamb actually helped the run game because
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the shock of the season to me is this isn't
a great old line. This isn't this isn't even the
Bears interior line. Dallas is running the ball better.
Speaker 5 (11:14):
Why really, Well, well, I think it's the way you
can deploy Pickens and Lamb because Pickens is a true
what we call boundary X.
Speaker 6 (11:23):
He is the single.
Speaker 5 (11:24):
Receiver to the short side of the field. And you
just saw how important that is. Just think back to
last week at the end of the first half. Okay,
they gained seventy seven yards on two plays at the
end of the first half. There's the first one, okay,
and that was what he was, the boundary X, and
you throw it up to him on a fade ball
and he beats Lattimore. Now what this allows Lamb to
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do in the context of this offense is Lamb now
is the movement receiver. You can line him up anywhere
you put him in motion. He gets free access. He
can run multiple route concepts from multiple splits.
Speaker 6 (11:57):
So you have two receivers now who are.
Speaker 5 (12:00):
Are really really good at what they do, and Dak's
playing at a really high level. We just saw the
Lamb touchdown, which was an unbelievable play, by the way,
because that ball on that particular ut concept never goes
to that receiver, but the defense dictated as such. And
the one thing I've really noticed on film, Colin and
this blew me away play action. So I looked up
the numbers. You know what Prescott's numbers are on play
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action this year.
Speaker 6 (12:23):
It's going to blow you away. He's sixty for seventy
one on play.
Speaker 5 (12:27):
Action, which is close to eighty five, close to eighty
five percent, with seven touchdowns on play action at his
seventy one throws and no interceptions. So their play action
pass game is just off the charts.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
A quarterback that is struggling. But again, I thought the
cults were a better team last week. Justin Herbert has
lost three or four. And I know Harbaugh get coach,
and I know Justin's good. My take is I can't
judge him right now. I do think they'll turn it
around when they get everybody back, but they don't have
a run game. I mean, what are you seeing? I
feel a litty bad for Herbert.
Speaker 5 (13:02):
Yeah, there's a disconnect there in my view. And again
I never rip coaches. They know their players better than
I do. But you're dealing with a poor offensive line,
certainly at the tackle position, and I'm sure all To
will be back, if not tonight, certainly next week. But
you're dealing with a poor O line and Herbert has
thrown more passes than any quarterback in the league.
Speaker 6 (13:22):
That's a disconnect.
Speaker 5 (13:23):
So it's very, very difficult to play that way with
a poor O line, poor poor pass protection, and a
quarterback that has too many dropbacks. Now, last week, they
got behind twenty three to three at the half, and
obviously they came out in the second.
Speaker 6 (13:36):
Half and felt that they had to throw.
Speaker 5 (13:38):
But even before Joe Walt got hurt, this offense did
not look I think what we expected it to look like.
There's been too many dropbacks, and even with all there,
it's still not a great old line. So they may
feel they don't have a running back now that o
Marion Hampton is out, they may feel they don't have
a Bellweather running back. And this is the best way
they can play. As I said, they know their players
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better than I. But I just think you can't ask
Justin Herbert to drop back this many times behind that
offensive line.
Speaker 6 (14:07):
It's just bad things are going to happen.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
So Mike Tomlin was upset when the Bengals acquired Joe
Flacco from Cleveland, and now we know why. Flaco has
a history on short rest of beating Tomlin. We've talked
about old Brady and Old Aaron and old Stafford. Sure,
but I watch old Joe Flacco, and that's a guy
that is incomfortable. He gets the playbook after about three practices.
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I mean, what did you say? I find it fun
and easy to watch.
Speaker 7 (14:37):
Oh.
Speaker 5 (14:37):
I love Joe. He's from South Jersey, so I know him.
I know it's family. He's just a guy that you know.
It's funny. I had a chance to really spend time
with him a number of years ago here at NFL films,
and he just.
Speaker 6 (14:48):
He looks at the position.
Speaker 5 (14:49):
I don't want to say like it's easy, but he
doesn't overcomplicate it. And that's one reason you always see
him throw it in the one on ones. You know,
to him, it's the NFL. If it's one on one,
you throw it.
Speaker 6 (14:58):
You know, you talk to.
Speaker 5 (14:59):
Him, it's like, well, if the safety does that, well
then I'm going to throw it over there. If the
safety does something else, I'll throw it somewhere else. I mean,
he's always very sort of simplistic and how he sees things,
and he will always throw the one on ones, and
he will always throw the ball between the numbers, which
are really difficult throws. We know, every once in a
while he makes a throw that you go, Joe, why
do you make that throw?
Speaker 6 (15:19):
But that's because he's always so aggressive.
Speaker 5 (15:21):
And you know, I want to show a play which
was from the last game, that Thursday night game against Pittsburgh,
which to me is just classic Flacco, where not that
the game's easy, but just the way he sees it. Okay,
So this is a thirty seven yard pass on third
and forty Yoshivas and you'll see as we break this
down just the way Joe sees the game. I mean,
the way any quarterback should really On this play, he's
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in the gun here. It's going to be a two
by two set, and we're going to show you where
Chasin Higgins are because they're the key guys here, so
they are critical. Now what they're going to run are
essentially what we call mirrored shallow crossers. They're both running
shallow crossing routes. Now the safety's here, and this makes
perfect sense. Its third down. They're going to drive down
to try to take away Chasin Higgins. They're kind of
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bracket double type situations. That makes perfect sense. So now
Joe's going to see that. So now what does he have?
He is Yoshavas one on one against Darius Slay. So
this is just what I'm talking about. The safety's dropped down,
there's the one on one. That's who you throw it to.
And I guarantee Joe would talk about it just like that.
He'd say, yeah, that's who you throw it to because
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it's one on one and you know that's a third
and four and it's thirty seven yards. But that's the
way he plays the game. He just sees it cleanly.
Of course he's played a lot of football.
Speaker 6 (16:34):
And you mentioned getting a playbook in three days.
Speaker 5 (16:36):
There's probably not a lot in a playbook column that
Joe Flecco hasn't seen.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Yeah, Greg Cosel forty six years NFL Films. Thanks Greg,
Thanks Colin.
Speaker 6 (16:45):
Appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
Tonight Thursday Night Football, we'll talk about that. I got
some thoughts on the Knicks. I watched the entire Knicks
Cavs game. Aaron Rodgers. Is it his leadership? Is it
his intelligence? People are complicating that in that NBA store
Kashptel FBI earlier between a poker ring that sounds like
casino meets rounders to come handful of NBA people involved
(17:11):
in prop bets and the unders. It is a wild story.
These are accusations. The coach, Chauncey billups in Portland temporary leave.
Terry Roser the player in Miami temporary leave. He was
also nursing an injury. So two active current a coach
and a player I've been jettison for the time being
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in the NBA.
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Speaker 1 (18:18):
Dave Roberts, Dodger manager, top of Next Hour. I watched
the entire Knicks Calves game last night and it reminded
me a lot of last season. Karl Anthony Towns a
couple of dumbfowls early that in the fourth goes off.
Does what he does offensively is a crazy talent. They
kind of separate and beat the Calves. Jalen Brunson didn't
play particularly great. I didn't shoot the ball that well
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had the ball in his hands. They've got several players
Deuce McBride, og Bridges who are capable of hitting fifteen
to eighteen points on any given night. The Knicks are
a very good team. My question, same with the Calves,
is are they good enough. They're a good team. I
could do the little less Jimmy fallon pretending he loves
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the NBA. But outside of that, they're a good team.
They're a good watch. They have an elite point guard.
I see teamwork. They're Villanova of the NBA. I see passion.
They play hard. They've got multiple guys who can hit
shots if you need him. I do think Carl Anthony
Towns and Brunton on the floor together gives you a
defensive hole that in the East will not be enough
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of a hole to get beat on most nights. It
won't be exposed in the East. But I do feel
like watching them, they're like six years ago watching a
really dominant or really good Big twelve football team in
the Western conferences, the SEC. I don't think they match
up with the NBA's best. They're good. I feel like
I watched the team that I saw last year. I
see teamwork, I see passion, I see elite point guard.
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I see Karl Anthony Towns absolutely crazy elite talent. Here
was Brunson after the win over the Cavs.
Speaker 10 (19:51):
I think the most important thing that we do is
to come with a clear mind and open to learning,
open to get in better years different you know, obviously
we have a lot of returning guys and stuff like that,
so that may be the same, but things are different,
and it's all about how you adapt and how you
adjust and.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
Learning on the flies. It's gonna be good for us.
Speaker 8 (20:13):
It's gonna be keep us fresh.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
Yeah, I was watching it last night, and the Knicks
have become a good franchise. I would not have gotten
rid of TIBs. I think it was a fifty to
fifty split with fans. Mike Brown's more than capable, been
around the league, nice guy, smart guy, players like him
Tibbs and can be a little rougher. I didn't think
Tibbs was overly creative offensively. But Brunson's got the ball
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in his hands all the time. The offense is Jalen Brunson.
And this is not college where the coach is dictating
what you're run. The game is so fast and fluid.
The offense is Jalen Brunson. When he's hot, it's a handful.
When he's not, like last night, it can be a
bit clunky and they have to rely on og or
Bridges or cat to take over early in the fourth.
That's what they are. They're good, and that's good enough
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probably in the East, to get into the conference finals
if they're healthy. Jmack with the news.
Speaker 8 (21:10):
This is the herd Line News.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
All right, let's go to the NFL and the Tampa
Bay Buccaneers. One of the better stories the first quarter
of the season.
Speaker 11 (21:18):
Here.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
Colin took a tough loss against Detroit on Monday Night football.
But man, I'm looking at that injury report. Oh boy,
it's not looking good against the Saints this weekend. Baker
Mayfield has chimed in on letting the media know what
he thinks about the New Orleans Saints.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
Hasn't exactly been clean play from their part when we
play them. It's a physical game. It is what it is.
You expected division rival. Yeah, I like that. He just
throws it out there. They're cheap shot artists.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Well, remember Lattimore and Evans used to go out it.
But Latimore has been shipped out of town. He's not
there anymore. By the way, Mike Evans obviously out. Sounds
like he's gonna miss almost the entire season. Godwin not
back yet. He came back briefly, they got hurt again
at Bucky Irving. My guy who carries me in fantasy,
gonna miss again. I mean, I thought Tampa Bay would
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be the side here. Anything from you on this Buck Saints, No, I.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Think the lines about right. If Tampa was healthy, I
think they'd work them. It's not a great slate this weekend.
I've had really back to back great weeks, and it's
not a great numbers week. It's a lot of crossing
your fingers. I like a lot of favorites this week,
but the favorites I like are beat up. So I
do not think this is a good week for numbers.
(22:37):
I think I think Saturday is a much better week.
Last two weeks, I've eaten it up four and one,
four and one. I don't like the numbers. There's two games
I like a lot. So it's just one of those
where you watch tonight. I'll look at the injury report.
You cross your fingers on Sunday, guys are healthy, I
may take Tampa. I'll just wait.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Yeah, basically, you toss out Thursday night and toss out Monday.
Since it's a ten and a half twelve and a
half points, so now you're down basically to eleven games
because there's six teams on a buy and I like
two numbers. I'll have to wait for them. You haven't
told me, because you know, you keep this stuff close
to the vest when you're running hot, when you're cold.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
You're asking me for advice. But anyways, let's go to
Justin Jefferson.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Colin and the Minnesota Vikings, the best gritty in the NFL.
Justin Jefferson, he's having a great start to his career.
Crazy number here, he's played with eight different quarterbacks. Justin
Jefferson enters Thursday Night Football needing just forty to surpass
Julio Jones as the fastest player to reach eight thousand
receiving yards. Julio did an eighty five. Jefferson playing in
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his eighty fourth tonight. Somehow the Chargers are taking money here.
This was three most of the week, now three and
a half. Yeah, I don't have much here. I got
a couple buddies going to the game, but I don't
know that this is even that interesting of a game.
If it was McCarthy against Harball, I would be into it.
But this Carson Wentz experience. Man, we talked about it yesterday.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
This is not a good quarterback right.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
Well, and the Chargers are just a shadow of what
they would be. Is you're really getting sort of the
B team offensively, and you can't ask any quarterback in
this league, including Mahomes, to throw it fifty five times
a game. It's just not fair, that's not I've said
this with Mahomes, I'll give you thirty three throws a game.
With most quarterbacks in the NFL, including Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnold,
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like guys who are getting going to get Pro Bowl consideration,
twenty eight times a game is about what you want
your quarterback throwing. If they're throwing thirty eight, that means
you trail. If you're throwing forty eight, it means you're desperate.
So asking him to throw closer to fifty eight throws
and fifty six throws and fifty five throws, that tells
you Harbor doesn't want to do that. Harbaugh go back
(24:43):
to JJ McCarthy at Michigan. He rarely went an entire
half where he didn't throw the ball at all. So
they're playing a game they don't want to play right now.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Yeah, I mean, we still the Hampton's not back this
Joe Alt stuff.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
I'm almost sick of reading about it.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
I'll just say I think the dog have been barking
on Thursday Night football this season. Remember last week obviously,
uh Bengals beat the Steelers, So just just be careful
before laying it with the Chargers.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
Final story.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Can let's go to a little NFL beef? We need
more of these, They're fun. Yesterday we broke down the
Sean Payton wore of words with Russell Wilson. Russ jumped
on social media to call Peyton's comments classless.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
Invoking the bounty Gate scandal, which always cuts deep.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Well, now Sean Payton is backtracked from his comments and saying,
my bad, it was taken out of context.
Speaker 12 (25:32):
That was strictly about dark I mean, and that was
in no way, shape or form anything that was.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
Directed at Russ.
Speaker 12 (25:45):
So and I might be able to see how he
might perceive that, but coming off that win and watching
how he played, yeah, that that wasn't any intention at all.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
Yeah I said that. Not really, They're just different. They're
just different personalities and that's okay. I mean, one guy's
hot wire, he's raw, and it's like the Lebron Westbrook
thing we talked about, the mistake is by the front
office of the Lakers. Those are two different personalities totally.
Lebron's more calculated and measured. He's got great self awareness
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when it comes to basketball, and you know, Westbrook's going
one hundred miles an hour. Russell Westbrook would admit that,
has admitted that he plays the way he plays, and
they're just not complimentary players and their personalities are different,
and so we always blame the player, you know, and
like sometimes it's the front office. I think when Sean
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Payton took that job, my take was, Oh, that Russell
thing's not going to work. Knowing both of them a
little bit, I'm like, that's not gonna work. So you know,
it's just, yeah, listen, I've had to work with people
that I don't connect with. Just take the high road,
don't punch down, move on. I think if if Sean
could have taken that back, he probably would have. But
he's just he's wrang. Sewan's gonna tell you what he thinks.
Speaker 6 (27:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
Jmck with the news, Well that's the news, and thanks
for stopping that.
Speaker 8 (27:13):
The herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Greg Cosell Chris Simms. Today, Dave Roberts, Dodgers manager, I
talked about this. I think Toronto's a tough matchup for
the Dodgers because Toronto scores runs and hits the ball
and gets on base. I thought that about Milwaukee. Toronto's
a more talented version of Milwaukee with Lad Guerrero and
George Springer, who's, you know, one of the great clutch
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hitters the last ten years in baseball postseason clutch hitters.
So Dave Roberts will join us. But it is interesting,
as somebody who spent a lot of time in California
over the last eight nine years, there's this animosity toward
the Dodgers, and I'm like, I can remember when I
lived out East and worked for the other place. The
Yankees and Red Sox owned the offseason, and it was
considered elevating baseball. Oh, what a joyful more Red Sox
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the Yankees again battling for the pennant. I didn't have
a problem with it. It was fun. It was fun
to be part of it. I would come home every
day workout and my little home gym, turned the TV
on and watch talk radio and sports radio talking about
the Yankees. And the Red Sox, and it felt like
Duke Caroline and basketball or Raven Steelers rivalry ten years
fifteen years ago. But everybody now, just like people fear
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what they think is pulling away from them in society
and business in life, they hate what they fear. And
I think the feeling is with the LA economy and
the attractive weather. It's one thing if New York is
winning and overpaying for it, everybody in New York, even
the rich, have to sacrifice. But in La, if you're rich,
you know what I mean, the weather's perfect, the economy's good,
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the Pacific Ocean. There's a little bit of anti California
sentiment about everything, their politics, their sports. And it would
be much easier to hate the Dodgers if they had
a bunch of jerks, or if they had a bunch
of egos, or they were doing what the Astros did,
or they were the Kardashians flashing their wealth. But I
said this, Max Munsey got cut by the A's and
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I think he's the all time postseason home run leader
in Dodger history, like ahead of Steve Garvey. Uh So,
you know, I don't, I mean, you're Colin, you lived
in California. You you I'm just telling you knowing people
that cover them. When you see the guys around town,
they're just guys, They're just just it's funny.
Speaker 11 (29:27):
In La.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
The sports stars are very chill. Matt Stafford's chill. La
Kings are chill. The Dodgers, the Rams, uh. I don't
think it's an unlikable team. Astros, I got it. Some
Yankee teams, I get it. Coming up next? Is it
leadership talent? What is it with Aaron and the Steelers?
I've got to take next third.
Speaker 8 (29:49):
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Speaker 2 (29:59):
Tomorrow, the World Series begins on Fox as Shoe Otani
and the reigning champion Dodgers take on the lad Junior
in the Blue Jays. Game one of the World Series.
Coverage begins tomorrow, seven Eastern on Fox.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
All Right, Dodgers are nine and one in the postseason.
I thought the Milwaukee Series was shocking. The Brewers hit
one eighteen. That's not gonna happen with Toronto. But it's
a historic run. And if the Dodgers win, they officially
classify as a dynasty. And what's scary for everybody else
is Roki and Yoshi uh and Otani hasn't even played
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particularly well and most of the postseason Mookie Betts is
in his prime. They got some older guys, for sure,
but it's a lot of these players are young and
not even in their prime yet. By the way, on
the gambling story with the FBI, the way I look
at all of this stuff, the reality of a free
society is it allows people to make really poor choices.
(30:57):
And I don't want to live in a society with
perpetual stop signs. If you can't monitor your eating and
your alcohol and your cannabis and you're gambling, many of
us can, most of us. So when you live in
a society with the freedoms and the liberties that America has,
it does allow a lot of poor choices. Don't make them, Okay,
(31:19):
That's how I look at all this stuff. I don't
want to live in a rigid society or a society
that's constantly telling me you can't do that, Nor do
I want to be friends with people who are precious
and idealistic and unrealistic. I had a cocktail. Last night,
I didn't have two. I had a beautiful dinner and
a cocktail, and then I put it down and watch
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the NBA for the next two hours. And I feel
bad for people that make poor choices. But this is
the downside to being in a society that'll have so
many freedoms and opportunities. People screw themselves up. People do
not do a good job of managing themselves. Not all people,
maybe not a majority of people, but as we this
morning with the FBI story, plenty of people. Okay, So
(32:04):
I saw a headline today. Aaron Rodgers is a different
kind of leader. One the Steelers needed, maloney. He's competent.
That's all this offense is about. Aaron's competent. Go back
to Big Ben twenty twenty, twenty twenty one. Do you
remember those teams. They couldn't run the ball, and I
remember a lot of punts. Then they pivoted to Kenny
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Pickett twenty two and twenty three. They couldn't pass the ball,
and I remember a lot of punts. And then they
pivoted to Justin Fields and Russell Wilson last year, and
they couldn't do anything, and they were atrocious in the
red zone. This team is good in the red zone better,
and they're pretty good on third down, and they run
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it a little better and they don't throw it down
the field a ton. But they're just competent. This is
not about leadership. It's about a grown up who's been around.
Aaron moves better than people give him credit for. He's
doing a good job of using the size of his
top four targets. And that's what this really is. It's
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his passer rating right now. One to five is the
highest for any Steeler quarterback ever. So old Big Ben
it was ugly. They couldn't run, and then Canny Pickett
that was ugly. They couldn't pass. Last year, they couldn't
do anything. In fact, the two quarterbacks they let go
up from last year are zero and nine this year.
And Mike Tomlin won ten games with the guys last year.
(33:31):
So Mike Tomlin just needed competency. It's not about leadership.
Aaron makes good decisions. He still moves, okay, he really does.
He's not Drake may Or, he's not bow Nicks. He
moves fine, and he's confident and he loves football and
he talks football, and Mike Tomlin addresses that.
Speaker 7 (33:50):
He loved it. It's who he is. He loves the process,
he loves the talk ball, he loves to educate his
teammates to get on the same page. He doesn't tire
in terms of seeking resolution to issues. It's just a
lot of good things about him, other than obviously his
physical talents and skills that have been really impressive. And again,
(34:14):
as I mentioned, not that I'm not shocked, not that
I'm shocked by it, but it's still highly appreciated.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
The only thing I worry about, I mean Aaron Rodgers
at this point is precious cargo. Like when he makes
a great play. Please, if you're a three hundred and
forty pound lineman Broderick Jones, please don't rush over and
tackle Aaron Rodgers. And it's like one of those packages
you said, and you know you put the ribbon around
it like fragile. Aaron talked about that.
Speaker 11 (34:41):
The only tackle I had the other night was Broderick.
So better than that, I'm feeling pretty good. Rod is
always the first one to come find me after a play.
It could be like the first big pass down to
DK on third down, He's coming and dapping me up
and what you don't see in the video is right
after the throw, he's coming order me and shaking me
and shaking me, and like I text him, I said, man,
(35:02):
I love your energy. Yes, I love everything you're about.
We also, I'm forty one. Okay, you can't be out
there and tackling me.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
Yeah, he's a bit precious Cargo. I actually love the
Steelers in this spot this weekend. This is one of
my favorite numbers that's come down. And the reason I
like it is because Mike Tomlin as an underdog at home,
chip on his shoulder, Aaron, you know, he wants to
play well against the Packers and Green Bay's playing with
their food. They haven't been overly impressive, even though the
(35:30):
Colts and the Packers are the only teams with only
one loss. So it's a great spot. I think it's
one of the real entertaining games of the week. I
think the two games I really want to watch. I
think this game is interesting. I think if Lamar Jackson plays,
we can look at the schedule. I think if Lamar
Jackson plays, that game of the Bears is really really interesting.
And and I'll say this, I think the Giants at
(35:51):
Philadelphia is interesting. The Giants are real. What you're seeing
with the Giants is not a mirage. Sometimes in February September,
when the weather's good, teams look real, glossy and speedy
and quick in front. Miami Dolphins do that, but then October, November, December,
it gets cold. You got to run the football, you
need pass protection, your quarterback needs to have a stronger arm,
(36:14):
and they kind of regress. I think the New York
Giants are real, and I think they'll get Philadelphia a
real game. I think Jackson Dart has been surprising. It
is not a great It is not a great schedule
this weekend. There are a lot of quarterbacks hurt. But
I just read this from Jeff Zriebeek. He's a reporter.
Lamar Jackson is practicing second straight day. Seem to be
(36:36):
working at a similar rate as of yesterday. So I
think that the Chicago Bears have won four straight Jay Mack,
and they've been beating kind of the dregs of the NFL.
This would be an impressive win. Baltimore's getting healthy. I
will say this, and we talked about it earlier, because
there's a microscope on Caleb Williams. If you look at
(36:57):
his first six games with Ben Johnson and Jared goff
in Detroit's first six games, and Detroit had Piney Suwel
an amor on Saint Brown and a very good old line.
It's the same. The difference is we didn't watch golf early.
We're watching Caleb. I think it's a really good game.
I think the numbers inflated. Do you think with a
healthy Ravens team and the one thing they have that
(37:19):
Chicago is four and two, of course they want to win.
Baltimore feels like they have to win the next five
games they play. That's why I like the Ravens here.
Speaker 3 (37:30):
Yeah, I'm with you.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
It seems like the Bears are getting not only just lucky,
but the turnovers are breaking their way. They have like
thirteen turnovers plus thirteen in the last four games, like
come on and the quarterbacks.
Speaker 3 (37:41):
They fa Spencer Rattler.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
Jaden Daniels in the Rain, the Immortal Geno Smith, and
then Dak Prescott in the game Ceedee Lamb went down
and if you remember, they had like two or three turnovers.
Speaker 3 (37:52):
I believe in the red zone in that game the
Cowboys did. So I'm with you. I like the Ravens. Colin,
you're making me nervous here.
Speaker 11 (37:58):
Man.
Speaker 3 (37:59):
You're on a and you don't like the games.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
I mean, if you're not seeing stuff you like this weekend,
what are the rest of us gonna do?
Speaker 3 (38:05):
And I'm not with you on Pittsburgh though.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
I don't see what you're seeing there besides the Mike
Tomlin as an underdog at home. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
I will say this about Caleb Williams is he has
been under such a microscope. When he replaced Spencer rattleryd Oklahoma.
I remember the game and you're like, oh my god,
this kid is really special. And then he goes to
USC and he just he puts up huge numbers. Then
he goes to Chicago and I think he's getting better.
I think it doesn't always look pretty. And I tend
(38:31):
to watch quarterbacks and coaches their body language. Ben Johnson
clearly gets frustrated with him, but Caleb this week talked
about Ben in their relationship.
Speaker 13 (38:42):
There are things that I can be better at. There
are things that I'm going to be better at. There
are things that you know that that you know weren't
hitting a day, and you know you just have those
days sometime and It's nice that we have a defense.
We have a special teams, a punter or whatever you
want to say, kicker that can put us ahead, that
(39:03):
can help us win games, a run game that can
you know, control the game. And so, you know, we
get this figured out on my side, we'll be a
you know, we'll be putting up a lot of points
to be very dangerous.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
Big story today the NBA, the FBI, J McK and
I talked about that. It is, these are accusations. It's
not a good day for Chauncey Billups, who I always
thought was one of the more kind of mature players
coaches in the NBA. Not a great day. I will
say there was some internet video of Terry Rosier with Miami.
(39:37):
That stuff surfaced last year, and you know there were
a lot of people saying this is weird video, like
it looks intentional. Do you remember you remember seeing that?
Speaker 3 (39:46):
Yeah, certainly.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
Now I will say the his his agent came out
or his lawyer, sorry, Arrozier came out and is staunchly
defending Hey. He talked to the FBI multiple times in
twenty three, the NBA interviewed him for.
Speaker 8 (39:58):
Over a year.
Speaker 2 (39:59):
He's been clear by the league. That video is extremely
suspicious when you watch it, But I don't know what
to make a rosier. Just to be clear, you did
make a good point. The bill up stuff is totally
separate from gambling on the NBA. That's the poker game, yes,
with the alleged mafia. And there are some videos circulating
that that you know from Reddit and stuff, that are
(40:19):
worth watching. I'll just say that in regard to those
poker games.
Speaker 3 (40:23):
But I don't know.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
Do you think Adam Silver is like really nervous about this?
I mean, well, I think Hill just got in bed
with Calshi. You know, the prediction market. So the sports
leagues are intertwined with gambling. You know that, of course
they are. Yeah, and and so you know, I don't
I'm not going to get on my high horse. I
think transparency like this, I've said, these are these are
(40:45):
actually good days, Like let's let's find the bad actors.
But it's Lakosa Nostra is involved, like thirteen members of
LaCOSA Nostra.
Speaker 3 (40:53):
Not great, no, but I listen.
Speaker 1 (40:56):
Then they've done documentaries on Henry Hill Boston College in
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