October 27, 2025 • 41 mins
The latest installment of “Where Colin Was Right, Where Colin Was Wrong” — featuring why Colin nailed his take on the Philadelphia Eagles’ offense and what he got wrong about LSU head coach Brian Kelly.
He’s also joined by three-time Pro Bowl quarterback Matt Hasselbeck to discuss Chicago Bears QB Caleb Williams and his continued struggles in Ben Johnson’s offense following a disappointing loss to the Baltimore Ravens
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All right, j Mac, you know, right and wrong is
staple on this show. Indeed, and sometimes, unlike Yoshi, I
surrender a meatball and it gets hit out of the stadium.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
So here we go to Monday. Colin right, Colin wrong?
Where Colin was right?
Speaker 1 (01:13):
I told you I told you earlier this year, and
I told you last year. AJ Brown, there's drama Jalen Hurtz,
head down grinder. You're not going to deal with any
of it. They had their best offensive game by a
long shot without aj Brown. Maybe it's coincidental, or maybe
the only thing that gets in the way of a
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great locker room is drama, and there's a little bit
of drama, it gets people sidetracked. But the Eagles I
watched yesterday looked like the Eagles that got to a
Super Bowl last year, where Colin was raw. Yeah, I
kicked Buffalo out of the hurt hierarchy.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
My bad. They're still good.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
What was remarkable is that Josh Allen only at nineteen
pass as. They looked like the real deal. You know,
what do you need to say when Josh is feeling it.
I don't think Caroline is as terrible as everybody wants
to say. I think Caroline is okay. But gotta be honest.
That was impressive where Colin was right. Mike Vrabel and
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New England first play six and two. This will mark
the fourth straight year that my double their win total
pick will come to fruition.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
They're still in the rebuild.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
They still need to meet at consistent pass rusher another
perimeter weapon, but they're well coached. And Drake may Man
does that look good just the eye test, accurate size,
but he moves, knows when to slide.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Yeah, we were right on that one where Colin was raw.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
I thought Brian Kelly would work at LSU. I thought
it was a weird fit. That whole you know, Southern
Twain thing he had I thought was weird. But I
mean the guy won everywhere at orzran one and Natty
at LSU, and Brian is a good coach pre LSU.
He won big at three different programs. Smart guy. But
you know what, it just goes to show that fit matters.
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And this was always I think you knew this. It
was a weird fit where Colin was right said it
last year when the Indianapolis local media was saying, you
gotta fire Chris Ballard the GM, and I'm like, are
you guys crazy? If you watch the games, they're bad
at quarterback, they're good everywhere else. They're all lines good, Taylor,
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Pierce Pittman. I mean, they could use another pass rusher.
They're probably one cornerback shy, but the whole NFL could
use another cornerback. This is a well constructed team.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
That jet. The sky was never falling. In this league.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
If you don't have quarterback right, it makes everybody else
look incompetent. The GM and the coach are excellent. They
just needed a trigger man. And I would be shocked
if they don't sign Daniel Jones to an extension.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Where Colin was wrong.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
The Celtics are winless without Jason Tatum, and Jalen Brown's
even playing well. Listen, the last several years, the point
differential didn't change that much.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
In fact, the.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
Offense was better when he didn't play. Now, I didn't
think the team was better, but they've been fine without
Jason Tatum for several years. Right now, their offense thirtieth
in the NBA, dead last. So I mean, listen, we
know he's a good player, good kid. In the short term,
they were fine without Jason Tatum. In the long term,
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it is ugly because Jalen Brown's playing well.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Jaylen Brown always plays well.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
Where Colin was right, Colorado got baked again fifty three
to seven, lost to Utah down forty three to nothing
at half. Listen, I said Deon Sanders was great to
get attention. Dion Sanders was good for energy and some recruiting.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
He's not an.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Elite football coach. They're one and four in the Big twelve.
You know, again, not every coach is just about w's.
I think at Colorado with some of their revenue issues,
nil World, I think Dion was a good choice.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
But we always said.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
This staff, I mean that, come on, I mean, you
have to be one thousand percent committed to coaching to
be really, really even good at it, and I just
never thought Dion was that level of a coach. Where
Colin was right, I have never waivered on Justin Herbert.
Top five quarterback period and right now, second in touchdown
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passes in the NFL, first in passing yards, with a
number three running back back up everywhere on the offensive line,
he's faced twenty more pressures than the next quarterback in
the NFL. They are five and three. They just blew
out the Viking. And again, he is doing it with
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most of the offense either gone or not playing at
one hundred.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Percent, where Colin was raw.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Okay, I'm making an exception with quarterbacks wearing their hat
on backwards. Justin was at a Laker game with singer
and model Madison Beer. Listen, I'm sorry, I'm a true romantic.
I'm sorry. Everything in life has exceptions. It was his
off day. I mean he didn't have practice.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
I mean he look at it.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
It's like a hero. I mean everybody in life has
to make one exception. Okay, I made a big exception,
and oh my bad.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
I'm a true romantic.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
I see, you know a lot more than just Valentine's
Day cards going forward. So I'm going to make a
little tiny exception with quarterbacks and their hat on backwards.
Influencer artist, Hey, it's an artist. Maybe maybe he's becoming
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a little more ad libby and with that Matt Hasselback
eighteen years in the NFL. Listen, I have a lot
of kids, and I have rules.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
I am.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
I'll make a second an exception on quarterbacks.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
I like you and herlb it. Hey, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
Romantic is that the right word?
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Listen for him. He's got such beautiful hair. Though it's
kind of like a headband. He's just like keeping it back.
He's like Jim McMahon in that headband. Said Roselle, I mean,
look at that beautiful hair.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
It's amazing.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
He has a lot of beautiful things there and that
his hair.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
You're such a romantic. You're such a romantic.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Oh gosh, I know. All right.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
So I'm watching the Packers last night and I said
this during the break about half hour ago, and j
Mack rolled his eyes and I said, listen, stop telling
me Jordan Loves up and coming.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
That's elite. R moobilly.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
I think he's got a little he got a little
mahomes and in where he can do the underneath stuff.
You can put him on script. But I'm sorry, Matt.
He is just one of those guys that the ball
looks different. It's just he's such a natural, fluid guy.
What do you see.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
Yeah, he's awesome. Listen, it's so weird what the Packers
have done. They went from far to Rogers to Love
so seamlessly. In a world where no one can get
the quarterback, right, those three guys kind of sort of
started playing like each other.
Speaker 4 (08:30):
I think Jordan Love plays a lot like Aaron Rodgers,
you know.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
And I know Matt Lafleur is there same coaches Rogers
finished with, and that's who's training him up.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
He's great.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
I think one of the best things about him is
his calmness, his demeanor when the moments get huge, he's
got a Jalen Hurts vibe about him, like yeah, yeah,
this is really cool.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
This is fun.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
I get to go play against Aaron Rodgers at Lambeau,
no big deal. Yeah we're gonna do a jersey swap later.
Like that's awesome, Like it's incredible to have that level
of you know, like, this is a guy he probably
grew up watching, and now everywhere he goes in Green
Bay people love Aaron Rodgers. A lot of those guys
have super Bowl rings on their fingers are at home
because Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
Helped him get it.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
And yet he's like, yeah, it's cool, Like I'm going
in with my guys that might really be his guys.
They're all hugging before the game, and I'm going to
be like, yeah, this is my team now, I got it.
I'm looking forward to this.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
I love that about him.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
And yeah, sure, like all the throwing and all that stuff,
he's got that as well.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
There's no doubt about that.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Listen, everybody could beat up on Aaron Rodgers. But there's
sometimes you go to a company and the company has
a culture and there's only so much you can do
within that culture. And this is a spend their money
on defense, a defensive head coach, they're still on fourth
and three, punting it or kicking field goals. I think
Aaron's doing kind of about as much as a forty
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one year old quarterback can do with Pittsburgh's offense.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Or am I wrong?
Speaker 5 (09:48):
No?
Speaker 3 (09:49):
And they're the Pittsburgh Steelers, like they're never going to change.
They're bigger than any one player. I don't care who
the player is. For decades now. Aaron Rodgers breathed life
into that offense and that excitement. I think the def
just is in matching the intensity, they're not matching the
level of execution. They spend a lot of money in
that defense. I don't know if you know that, but
they're not playing like it. And I think in that
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game there were just so many efficient runs from the Packers,
especially late in the game.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
And by efficient run, I mean.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
Like if it's second and two and you run the
ball for three yards, like that's perfect, that's called an
efficient run, and so like, not every run has to
be an explosive run, but when it's a running down,
we're moving the chains. That's where the Packers couldn't help
their quarterback out. They couldn't help out Aaron Rodgers on
the other side of the ball. So no, I mean,
this is still a playoff team in my mind because
their division is so bad and they can figure it out.
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But the leadership in that locker room in Pittsburgh has
to step up and say, hey, guys, listen, this is
where the Pittsburgh Steelers. We're known for our defense, Like,
let's be known for it in a good way, not
in the way that, hey, we're letting down.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
Our Hall of Fame quarterback.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
So this happens in the NBA.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
It happens in the NFL, not that frequently, but from
time to time, a really great player leaves and so
does some drama and the team plays better. And I've
seen it happen in the NBA. It's not just all
about you know, great players. Chemistry is so undervalue. You
live with these guys for eight nine months. AJ Brown
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doesn't play. The offense looked like the Super Bowl offense,
and it's like, I like AJ Brown, I love him,
But is it a coincidence they were that good yesterday?
Speaker 3 (11:25):
But they didn't play the Giants? I mean, so, I mean,
I mean, you know, it's a rivalry game.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
The Giants.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
Listen, the Giants had too many mental errors, mental mistakes
on defense. They let Saquon Barkley go for the first
touchdown of the game. I think AJ bark I think
AJ Brown is an incredible player and very important in
Phillies offense to all their success. They didn't need him yesterday.
They played out standing without him yesterday. But they also
rushed the ball for like almost three hundred yards. Dallas
Goddard is a weapon. He showed up big time again.
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You know, the Giants didn't do a great job of
trying to stop him, and then other people stepped up.
Like late in the game, they're going all out blitz.
Jalen Hurts is forced to throw the ball. He throws
a beautiful pass to Dotson. He goes up in mosses
somebody like this. This is a complete team. This is probably,
you know, a lot of people's favorite to be the
Super Bowl representative for the NFC. I think this is
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a team that I believe in. I've believed in them
for a long time. The drama they seem to be
used to it. There's there's something about the mental toughness
of this team. But yes, I would agree you don't
want an energy vampire on the sidelines, and diva wide
receivers can do that. In this case, I don't think
aj Brown is that. I think his importance to the
team is value to the team is real.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
You know, I was thinking about this this morning. Is
that just because a baker and a chef are in
the kitchen, they have two different skill sets. One baking
is following you know, recipes, and you know, chef is
a little of this and a little of that and
a pinch of that. Is that quarterbacks we all just
think big strong pros. Oh okay, that's not it. Some
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guys are timing and rhythm quarterbacks, and some coaches are
timing and rhythm coaches. And then you get Cam Newton
or you get kind of far. I guess you could
say he's just kind of listen, I'm gonna have libs
some of this stuff. I watch Ben Johnson and I
watch Caleb on script. That's one quarterback, but the other
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twelve possessions.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
I'm not trying to be.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
Harsh, but it just doesn't it shouldn't be this hard, Matt,
should it?
Speaker 3 (13:29):
Well, I think Caleb Williams is still a work in progress.
He's a young quarterback, and you know, like I get
what you're saying, Like the baker and the chef, the
scouts are gonna love this guy. He has wow plays
and explosive plays that are just like amazing, Like you
can't coach that. You can't find it anywhere. That's what
scouts love. But what coaches love is consistency. I put
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myself in that boat too. I want consistency. I just
want you to do it the right way. And I
think Caleb is trying. He's trying to throw on time.
He's trying desperately not to take sacks, but in the
process kind of like what Will Levis.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
Did last year. He was trying so hard not to
take sacks.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
He's you know, intentional grounding here and there. He's hurting
his team in other ways. He's missing guys that are
wide open and so listen. I'm not trying to throw stones.
I just think he's a work in progress. But to me,
so far, what I see, I think Ben Johnson is
here to stay as a great head coach. Will it
work out with these two guys, I'm not so sure.
Speaker 4 (14:24):
I'm not so sure.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
The wild plays might be enough for Ben Johnson to say, hey,
I believe in my ability as a coach.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
I can mold this guy.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
But at the same time, the Bears are a talented
team and they want to be winning games. They don't
want to be losing to the Baltimore Ravens the way
they did yesterday.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
I got to give credit. I know it's not a
flashy story. I thought Tyler Hunt me as a backup.
That's about as well as a backup can play. I mean, honestly,
I kept waiting for a mistake. I kept figuring, Okay,
he's a backup I was. I mean, I looked at him,
and I'm like, that's a professional athlete. I could not
believe how efficient he was. Or is it the Bears
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defense is overrated.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
I actually think he's a really good player and he's
a great fit to back up Lamar.
Speaker 4 (15:07):
I think he could be somebody's starter.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
Last year he didn't play great, and I'm not sure
why because every year before that he was very, very impressive.
To me, I think he's one of the I don't know.
I would love to coach him. I think he's a
fun player to watch. I think he does everything right.
He plays on time, you know, I don't know if
there's a huge fan club for him, but I'm in
it if there is one.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
So sometimes, you know, it's so funny about this league.
We've seen Baker and Donald reinvent themselves. Daniel Jones was
so bad with the Giants. It's hard to unsee it.
So Kyle Shanahan, you know, he saw the Sam Donald,
the Caroline and the Jets, and he's like, no, no, I
see it. I see the talent. He brings him out,
and then Sam changes. I looked at Daniel Jones and
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I'm totally wrong.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
I'm like, I.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
Can't unsee it. He's too stiff. I know he's a big,
strong guy, but he's too stiff. It looks it's too hard.
Are you shocked? I mean, I think Indy's going to
give him an extension. I think you have to. Are
you shocked by it? No, I'm not shocked at all.
In fact, I feel like I called this.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
This is you know, he went and spent some time
with the Minnesota Vikings, like, you know, similar to what
Sam Darnold did with the forty nine ers, similar to
what really to what Mac Jones.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
Is trying to do right now. And he showed up
and everything I.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
Heard in Indianapolis from day one, they were like, look out,
I know, we drafted a guy really high in the
first round, but Daniel Jones is going to be our starter.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
He's been unbelievably impressive and top to bottom. I don't
care who you talk.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
To, from ownership on all the way down, people have
been saying from day one like, this is going to
be our guy.
Speaker 4 (16:43):
This is going to be our guy. Reminds them of
a lot.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
Of the characteristics that they had and some of the
other great quarterbacks that they had there in the past.
So listen, this is maybe one of the best teams
in football and no one's given him credit.
Speaker 4 (16:54):
I think it's starting to come.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
They got a huge one coming up against Pittsburgh that'll
be a challenge, but if they go and beat Pittsburgh,
I think there's no denying it. We could talk about
Daniel Jones as a possible MVP candidate, if not his
teammate Jonathan Taylor, and we could talk about the Indianapolis
Colts possibly being the one seed in the afc UH
with a you know, with a first round by and
hosting playoff games in a dome stadium.
Speaker 4 (17:16):
Look out for the Indianapolis Colts. They're for real.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
Yeah. I okay, So a full disclosure. I saw bo
Nicks play twice in College Live and I was a
huge fan, and I covered Oregon for a long time,
so I just liked the program. And I'm a huge
Sean Payton guy because I worked with him at Fox
per a year and I just think he's really bright
and has a million ideas. Not all of them right,
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but he's got a million ideas. I'm watching them first
of all, between Sutton and Mims and Franklin and this
this kid from Illinois. Those guys are like long, they
run well, they can stretch the field.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
I'm just telling you.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
When I, as a consumer watched Denver, I just see
athletes everywhere.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Weigh in on that offense.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
Bow and Sean, well, they got a great defense and
then that helps the offense. And Sewn is very confident,
knows exactly what he wants to do, has done it
for a long time, and as a quarterback, he's exactly
the kind of guy you didn't want to play for.
I think what bow Nix is so great at and
a lot of people you know, and I would say
every coach I ever had would say, hey, quarterbacks, you
make so much money because of what we expect you
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to do on third down, red zone in two minutes.
And that's where bo Nicks to me, has been outstanding.
Third down, even fourth down. He's been incredible with his arm,
with his legs, with his mind, just really impressive. And
you think about that draft class. The draft class that
last year was Jaden Daniels. This year everyone's talking about
Drake may Both those guys are outstanding. But Bo Necks
he's right there. He's right there both last year and
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this year. And some people will like, oh, he's streaky. Yeah,
guess what when he's when he's on fire, he's on fire.
Similar I don't want to say it, but similar to
Drew Brees and a little bit unstoppable.
Speaker 4 (18:55):
Like the defense.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
I don't know what you do differently, And this this
tandem with Sean Payton like it's it's legit.
Speaker 4 (19:03):
Are they a super Bowl contender?
Speaker 2 (19:05):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (19:05):
If they can come out of their division, if they
could win that division, they can win the super Bowl.
That's a great division. So I'm a believer in bo Nicks.
I don't know how you can't be Yeah, you.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Know, It's funny.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
I'm watching Green Bay last night and I'm watching Denver yesterday,
and they just these coaches Lafleura and Peyton have a
way and I don't. And I'm going to ask you
this that whenever they need a clever play, I'm always
amazed when Andy Reid gets Sky Moore not only a
touchdown of the Super Bowl, he's opened by twenty yards at.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
The nine yard line. You're like, how the hell do
you do that? How do you fool everybody?
Speaker 1 (19:38):
How many times did you with like a Mike holmgrin,
How many times did you go into a game? How
many plays did you have that were like, okay, we
need a touchdown? How many do you go into a game?
Because I swear to God, these offensive coaches, the best guys,
just have a way of dialing up a play and
it's not just open, it's easily open in this tiny
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congestion space.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
Yeah, Like listen, I might be like bursting your bubble
here a little bit. But like sometimes you'll put a
play in for a team. Let's just say you're Sean
Payton and the Broncos. You put a play in for
the Raiders and you'd ended up not calling it, but like, man,
that would have been of a great, great play, and
you keep practicing it for like a week, two weeks,
three weeks, four weeks, and now you're going to use
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it against the next opponent like five weeks later, and
it works on them, and they're like, oh, they schemed
up this defense. And it's like, you know, the funny
thing is the name of that play is Raider, because
we put it against it for the Raiders like five
weeks ago. We've just been practicing for so long we
finally got the stupid thing called that call sheets so
stinking big, you can't you know, sometimes you just don't
get to all of them, and so like yeah, it's
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like sometimes like oh, we schemed them up, Like we
didn't put it in for this team.
Speaker 6 (20:48):
You know.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
I think the Philly Special might have even been that
kind of a play the Eagles that put it in
way earlier in the season. So the last game of
the seasons the Super Bowl, and Nick Foles says to
Doug Peterson be like, hey.
Speaker 4 (20:59):
You want to run pH Special?
Speaker 3 (21:00):
Like I've been practicing this thing all year, Like, let's
just go ahead and run.
Speaker 4 (21:03):
It so that that happens.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
I see plays happen all the time, and I'm like,
I doubt they put that in for this team.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Well you did burst my bubble.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
But it's great information and it's anytime I see that,
I'm like, what a brilliant coach. And I'm like, yeah,
it's just like in the dust bin in the back
room and you pull it out because you need.
Speaker 4 (21:20):
It, you know, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
All right, great stuff.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
Matt hassell back on a Monday, Thanks Bud, all right,
see you. Yeah, that's such good information because Lafleur had
one of those last night against the Steelers, and.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
I'm like, man, that guy's a genius.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
You may have he may have had that thing that
the Lions in the opener and he didn't get to it.
And boy, Sean Payton and Andy Reid, they just you
get into these fourth and ones or a two point conversion.
It's like, yeah, it's gonna work. It's gonna work. And
I love the fact that he likes Tyler Huntley too.
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I'm watching the Ravens. I'm like, you've never seen Tyler
Huntley play. You're like, oh, I could build around that guy.
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Carson Palmer last hour, Game three of the World Series Tonight,
Josh Paige stops Meyer show great college football voice in
the final hour.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
LSU's like, it's.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
A really interesting if you were Lane Kiffin and you
were offered LSU or Florida, who would you take? I
would take Florida because Lane's a Florida guy. But LSU
is considered by many to be, along with Georgia maybe Texas,
the best college football job because of all the high
school talent. With an hour of the campus, Lane Kifvin's
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gonna have options including staying at Old Miss. They're gonna
make the playoff now, they got three or four games
left or mostly at home. So Lane Kiffin is going
to make the playoff. Reinvented himself.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
Good for him. Jmack with the news. Now this is
the herd Line news.
Speaker 6 (23:31):
All right, Colin, we got to start with an ugly
story in the NFL, and that's the Baltimore Ravens skirting
the injury reports stuff all week with this Lamar Jackson.
This has gotten ugly and they're gonna get slapped on
the wrist for it.
Speaker 8 (23:44):
So it's weird.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
Colin.
Speaker 6 (23:45):
Friday, we were on the show, Lamar Jackson was listed
as a full participant in practice.
Speaker 8 (23:51):
John Harbaugh said he practiced in full.
Speaker 6 (23:53):
So then on Saturday, the Ravens said, oh, that was
our mistake. He was actually limited in practice and he
was with the scout team. And then all of a sudden,
it's like Lamar's not playing, and Colin, I don't know
how you I know, You're like, hey, it's no big deal.
Games with shit, blah blah blah. They're playing with the
minds of the of the Chicago Bears, keeping them guessing
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whether it's Lamar or snow Pudley Kyle.
Speaker 8 (24:17):
This is bad.
Speaker 6 (24:17):
Here's John Harbaugh explaining it.
Speaker 9 (24:21):
It's an honest mistake. I mean, he really is an
honest mistake. I can tell you this. Nobody's trying to
hide anything. I mean, there's no advantage. There's no advantage
to be gained, you know.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
With that.
Speaker 9 (24:32):
In their defense, you know, he practiced a full practice.
I think they felt like because he did the same
number of reps, it was a full practice. But when
you dig in and you read the rule, at the
end of the day, it wasn't right. So that's what
it was. That's why as soon as we found out,
we changed it.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
I don't want to be cynical media guy. Oh really, Okay,
I believe him.
Speaker 8 (24:53):
He's the only coach in the league.
Speaker 6 (24:54):
What fifteen twenty years and he's like, oh, when you
read the rule.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
I didn't know the rule.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
San Francisco forty nine Ers players did not know the
overtime rule in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 8 (25:06):
It's been changed. Come on, stop it, Andrew. Reports have
come on. This has been around for a while. I
know they're a good organization. MC collin I is a
little sketchy.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
This idea that everybody knows everything. I literally have been
in TV for twenty five years. I could never direct
a show. I don't even know what knob to push
the idea that every coach knows everything about every They
don't they That's why half of these coordinators get jobs
and they just flail. They don't have the little tiny
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leak between coordinator and head coach. They can't do it.
I know everybody out there is this is what we do.
We're all we're like sharks attacking chum.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
When John Harbaugh is like, yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
We we didn't know, and that we found out, we
immediately changed it. I think he's not bsing. I think
he's telling the truth. Friday when most people are doing
their you know, walk through the date before the weekend begins. Hey,
we're locked in the plan, we got everything. Lamar's practicing
in full and then he doesn't play.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Listen.
Speaker 6 (26:08):
The Falcons are dodging a bullet here because they did
the same crap with Drake London, who didn't miss any
practice all week and then all of a sudden sits
out the game.
Speaker 8 (26:16):
I mean, Colin, you know this.
Speaker 6 (26:18):
The league is hugely propelled by fantasy football and gambling,
and a lot of people are making decisions on that
and betting early in the week, and maybe one of
the people all this.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
Come out you you are hugely propelled well and betting.
Speaker 8 (26:31):
And people are doing this. It's not one person.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
Millions of people go to games. They don't get it.
Be coordinators. So what, I don't care If I'm an
NFL franchise, I don't give a care. I don't give
a rip about fantasy football players.
Speaker 6 (26:42):
The league has rules in place because they know how
valuable fantasy and gambling.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
Oh you know.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
My rule has always been I don't think injury reports
should be published period. I think it's a terrible idea
to tell opponents the weakness. The other thing, it was
a hamstring injury. Two injuries in my life hamstring injuries
and calf injuries. Well, let me add groin injuries. You're like, oh,
I'm good. You wake up the next morning, you stretch
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and you're like, crap.
Speaker 8 (27:09):
I just you and me, But not twenty five year
old guy.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
They're Opposite's true, they're more finely tuned. I have literally
pulled my groin because I had I had my groin pulled.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
I remember this years ago.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
In a broadcast and an athlete said, bro, you're gonna
pull the other side if you don't just do not
do anything athletic, And I'm out here thinking, yeah whatever.
Two days later made it worse. Calf injuries, hammy injuries.
These are finely tuned athletes. Sometimes you go to Bettett
Fiel's good, you wake up. You can literally pull your
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calf in your sleep. So I don't think I do not.
I'm not gonna be cynical guy on Ravens like I
don't think they knew.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
I think it happens.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
I think players change their minds Lamar could say, okay,
goo practice, but how hard did he go at practice?
Speaker 2 (28:01):
You don't know that.
Speaker 6 (28:03):
But we're on the very opposite sides of the fence.
And now we'll move on to speaking of bad. It's
the San Francisco forty nine ers. They were down bad.
We had this in headlines Friday. This was a layup
Texans roll a listless San Francisco team. Colin they had
zero first downs. I believe with ninety seconds left in
the first half, they could not move the football. Semac
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had very low usage rate. I think he had like
seventy yards total here's Kyle Shanahan not thrilled with his
team's effort.
Speaker 5 (28:32):
Not much the sugarcoat there. I was roll disappointed in
how he looked for all four quarters on first half
was unacceptable and second half didn get much better. So
not much to say about it except that we'll look
it on the plane and figure out all the things
that we know we can correct and that we did
mess up. But I expect the guys coming tomorrow with
a chip on their shoulder ready to get back to war.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
What's interesting is after wins I took the Texans this week.
After wins, Shanahan's teams, for some reasons, don't perform necessarily
at their best level.
Speaker 6 (29:06):
I mean, they are so beat up, but still though
to let the Texans have like.
Speaker 8 (29:10):
Four hundred yards of offense.
Speaker 6 (29:12):
No Nico Collins and I think he was throwing a
three Iowa state geist. Just a bunch of young receivers,
and it's like that that was eye opening Colin. I'm
just wondering teams don't punt games, but there were a
couple of games Sunday that felt like, Ah, we're not
locked in, We're gonna let this one go. Do you
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think this is just a blipper of the Niners in trouble.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
Go look at that. You know you have the Niners
winning the division. I did not, and I did not
for the exact reason that's transpired, which is their old,
expensive and brittle and when old teams get hurt, it
takes them longer to recover. Young teams like Seattle or
Green Bay can get banged up. Two weeks later the
guys playing, So who do the Niners play next?
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Keep your on the.
Speaker 8 (29:53):
New York Giants. Go ahead, I double dog there.
Speaker 6 (29:57):
You can take Jackson Dart with him without Cam'skataboo. By
the way, Giants fans, I did try to get Scataboo
in the show the groosly broken ankle. He's done for
the year. The Giants are unwatchable. I think Brian Dabole
is coaching for his job here in the next couple
weeks calling, I.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
Know you disagree. You like the dable dark Combo have.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
To fly all the way cross country to face a
team that just got humiliated.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
All right, yeah, well we'll.
Speaker 6 (30:22):
See what they got. Final story calls to the NBA.
I listen, I had to get this one in your guy.
Austin Reeves with one of the great performances we've seen
in the early season. Fifty one points. Colin, no Luca,
no Lebron, just a heavy dose of Austin Reeves fifty one,
eleven and nine. What are performance? Strangely, you were quiet
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on social media when Reeves was cooking. I didn't know
if you just wanted to just to wait to do
it on the show.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
I mean, Sacramento is known for such a such a
rigid defense.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
We go all right.
Speaker 6 (30:55):
Anyways, here's Austin Reeves talking about the night of his.
Speaker 10 (30:58):
Career, especially on a night where you don't have Look,
you don't have Brown, you don't have Jackson. Let you know,
you gotta go out there and be big for the team. Now,
wasn't in my head thinking you gotta go score to fifty.
It was do whatever you can do to help.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
The team win.
Speaker 6 (31:12):
How about this efficiency? You love the word efficiency?
Speaker 2 (31:16):
Love it?
Speaker 6 (31:16):
Fifty one points on twenty two shots. It's glorious.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
Hall in Westbrook? Why why the win? Who Russell Westbrook? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (31:25):
And a non factor and irrelevant came off the bench.
Maybe you had a dozen points and Austin Reeves fifty one.
You know, I know you like Cooper Flag and some
of these other hot, young, shiny new objects. Just keep
an eye on Austin Reeves. If it ends with Lebron
this season, can Reeves be the two and they get
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in like some other good players.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
No, I've been on this for years. He is on
a championship team. He's a four. Oh on a good
playoff team. He's a three. Remember that Minnesota series. You
want to see that a game?
Speaker 8 (31:59):
How many time weld against Anthony Edwards? Yes, he undenying.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
I wasn't the only person he struggled against.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
J Mack with the news. Well that's the news, and
thanks for stopping back the herd line news.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
For the record, Austin Reeves isn't necessarily a great fit
with Luca because Luca needs the ball. Austin needs the ball,
so Lebron needs the ball. If I was the Lakers,
I would move Austin Reeves trade deadline. He can be
maximized somewhere else much more effectively. That's not a knock
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on Austin Reeves. He's really good with the ball in
his hands. Luca skinny, Luca should have the ball in
his hands. I said this before the season started. I
said it's gonna be a problem. Lebron's much better with
ball than off ball, Skinny Luca.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
Get him the ball and get out of the way.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
So I think Austin Reeves's there's too much redundancy. When
Lebron gets back, Lebron needs ball, Luca, he needs ball.
I would get somebody who's more off ball. That's my take.
And Austin Reeves, I mean, I'm the Lakers last night.
I'm like loving it. I want everybody in the world
to see this guy. Hey, that guy. There are teams
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in the league that need somebody like I said Number
two with the ball. Lakers don't. And here's the air thing.
Not only are international players the best five players in
the NBA, they're the best five players by a mile.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
I mean, there's.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
Nobody else like Wemby. There's no domestic player like Wenby.
There's no domestic player like Luca. Forget Sga and Jannis
Skinny Luca. There's no comp in the States Wemby, there's
no comp on the Earth. But I think Austin Reeves
has value. But I think it's a redundancy issue with
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the Lakers. He is really good with the ball in
his hands, So there you go.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
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Speaker 6 (34:14):
Tonight, it's Game three of the World Series. As the
scene shifts to la or Vlad Junior in the Blue
Jays take on show, Hey Otani and the Dodgers. Game
three of the World Series. Coverage begins tonight at seven
pm Eastern four Pacific on Fox.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
I'll take the Dodgers.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
Glass Now has pitched thirteen in the third innings in
the postseason, giving up one earned run. His stuff is nasty,
but like Snell, you know, he's a guy that had
some injuries in his career. They didn't pitch him a
ton necessarily during the regular season. He has got filthy stuff.
So Toronto is a handful. Series is one one. Jay's
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had a nine run inning in Game one, but Yoshi
shut him down. Listen, great pitching beats great hitting. I'll
take the Dodgers and Glass Now tonight. For the record,
let me just throw this out there. I don't want
I don't want this to be lost about the whole
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bow Knicks thing, like I love bow Knicks. A lot
of people in the league I'd talked to were very
hot and cold on him, didn't think he had a
good enough arm. I don't think that's a problem. And
I also think guy's arms get stronger. Aaron Rodgers at
Cal was not Aaron Rodgers with the Packers. His arm
got stronger, So bow Knicks since the start of last season.
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For all the critics of bow Knicks. First in the
NFL completions on third down, third down is a big
boy down. That's for the grownups. That's like the Drew
Breeze down. That's the Brady down. That's the Mahomes down.
First in the NFL completions on third down, also top
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four in the league in a red zone touchdowns is
some of Sean Payton, Yes, some of it is Sean Payne.
Some of the Mahomes greatness in the red zone is
Andy Reid, some of Brady Josh McDaniels like, yes, of course,
But Matt Hasselback earlier today on what he sees from
bow Necks.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
With Bownicks is so great at and a lot of people,
you know, and I would say every coach I ever
had would say, hey, quarterbacks. You make so much money
because of what we expect you to do on third down,
red zone in two minutes. And that's where Bonnicks to me,
has been outstanding. Some people will like, oh, he's streaky. Yeah,
guess what when he's when he's on fire, he's on fire.
Similar I don't want to say it, but similar to
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Drew Brees and a little bit unstoppable, like the defense.
I don't know what you do differently, and this this
tandem was Sean Payton like, it's it's legit.
Speaker 4 (36:52):
Are they a super Bowl contender?
Speaker 3 (36:54):
Yeah, if they can come out of their division, if
they could win that division, they can win the super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
Yeah, it's you know, I think guys especially want to
be right, and so if they didn't think bon Nicks
would be good, they're not interested in getting it right.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
They want to be right.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
And so a lot of people that didn't like bon Nicks,
especially guys, they're not going to admit it. Well, it's
the receivers on Sean Payton, the dude eighteen under. It's
pretty surgical, it's pretty special. He will uncork an ugly one.
He had an early interception against Dallas that was brutal.
He's young, you're two, it's October, but I.
Speaker 2 (37:37):
Mean he is.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
People struggle to get past him being you know what,
was he the sixth quarterback taking or fifth quarterback? People
just can't get past that. I said in that quarterback
draft class, JJ McCarthy was the one I didn't get.
I got Drake, I got Caleb, I got Jayden, I
got Panix. I was a big bon Nicks guy. And
there's no getting around he's outstanding. I want to say
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this again, is that for the last probably seven or
eight years, I was very critical of the Lakers. I
didn't think they had a very strong ownership group. Then
they brought in the Dodgers, who already owned a part.
The Dodgers owner came in and bought the Lakers, and
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so it's a whole new ballgame. My feeling on the
Lakers is totally different ballgame. Money's not a factor. They'll
be run like the Dodgers, which is vision long term.
But one of the things last night that's already been highlighted.
They have said in twenty twenty six they want to
go big game hunting. The opposite of big game hunting
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is signing Austin Reeves to an extension at forty million
a year. That's the opposite. He's a number three or
a number four. It's a very good player. There are
three teams in this league who are good to pretty good,
and they need some that can have their ball in
their hands and initiate offense. The Rockets, the Celtics in Miami.
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I would call all three and find somebody that can
be an athletic wing. Lebron needs the ball. Luca needs
the ball. You do not need another guy who's an
average defender who needs the ball. Lebron at this point
needs the ball. Average defender Luca's entire career really needs
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the ball. Average defender. Austin Reeves is your third guy.
Austin gives you the effort defensively. Not a great defensive player.
He tries, and he's a good athlete. But it's just
redundancy and the old Laker ownership I think would have
been afraid to pull the trigger. If I'm running the Lakers,
I love what Austin Reeves did last night. I'd go
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to your social I'd just put it on for three days.
If you can move Austin Reeves to like the Celtics,
or like the Rockets or Miami, a team that needs
somebody to initiate the offense and get somebody that is
off ball, because the Lakers are not a good rim protector.
I mean, even DeAndre Ayton's athletic not a very good
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defensive player. Reeves isn't a very good defensive player, Lucas
not a very good defensive player. Lebron at this point's
not a very good defensive player. Redundancy, Your best players
are all offensive guys. Move Austin Reeves. He's a good
player on this team. You've got him, just better versions.
So through three games, the Lakers have already shown you
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a little bit of what they are, which is a
bad defensive team. They're a bottom ten defensive team. You
got four guys who are much better on the offensive
end than the defensive end. What are you doing, so,
Austin Reeves, you move into a team that needs offense
and get an athletic, you know, like a nas red guy,
like energy, defense, toughness, size, that's what you need. You
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don't need another guy that needs the ball in their
hands and can't make a stop.
Speaker 6 (41:02):
So, you know, Colin, you sound a lot like the
pundits after the Dallas Mavericks traded for Kyrie to partner
Kyrie with Luca, they went to the finals. Colin, so,
I think Austin Reeves is going to be just fine
alongside Luca.
Speaker 8 (41:15):
The only way.
Speaker 6 (41:16):
They're moving him is if Giannis is coming to the Lakers.
That's the only way. I don't know that Milwaukee would
be interested in Reeves. He would be a fan favorite,
very Midwest flavor given his background. But I'm not giving
up Austin Reeves.
Speaker 2 (41:28):
Yeah. Well, another thing we disagree on
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All right, j Mac, you know, right and wrong is
staple on this show. Indeed, and sometimes, unlike Yoshi, I
surrender a meatball and it gets hit out of the stadium.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
So here we go to Monday. Colin right, Colin wrong?
Where Colin was right?
Speaker 1 (01:13):
I told you I told you earlier this year, and
I told you last year. AJ Brown, there's drama Jalen Hurtz,
head down grinder. You're not going to deal with any
of it. They had their best offensive game by a
long shot without aj Brown. Maybe it's coincidental, or maybe
the only thing that gets in the way of a
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great locker room is drama, and there's a little bit
of drama, it gets people sidetracked. But the Eagles I
watched yesterday looked like the Eagles that got to a
Super Bowl last year, where Colin was raw. Yeah, I
kicked Buffalo out of the hurt hierarchy.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
My bad. They're still good.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
What was remarkable is that Josh Allen only at nineteen
pass as. They looked like the real deal. You know,
what do you need to say when Josh is feeling it.
I don't think Caroline is as terrible as everybody wants
to say. I think Caroline is okay. But gotta be honest.
That was impressive where Colin was right. Mike Vrabel and
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New England first play six and two. This will mark
the fourth straight year that my double their win total
pick will come to fruition.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
They're still in the rebuild.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
They still need to meet at consistent pass rusher another
perimeter weapon, but they're well coached. And Drake may Man
does that look good just the eye test, accurate size,
but he moves, knows when to slide.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Yeah, we were right on that one where Colin was raw.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
I thought Brian Kelly would work at LSU. I thought
it was a weird fit. That whole you know, Southern
Twain thing he had I thought was weird. But I
mean the guy won everywhere at orzran one and Natty
at LSU, and Brian is a good coach pre LSU.
He won big at three different programs. Smart guy. But
you know what, it just goes to show that fit matters.
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And this was always I think you knew this. It
was a weird fit where Colin was right said it
last year when the Indianapolis local media was saying, you
gotta fire Chris Ballard the GM, and I'm like, are
you guys crazy? If you watch the games, they're bad
at quarterback, they're good everywhere else. They're all lines good, Taylor,
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Pierce Pittman. I mean, they could use another pass rusher.
They're probably one cornerback shy, but the whole NFL could
use another cornerback. This is a well constructed team.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
That jet. The sky was never falling. In this league.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
If you don't have quarterback right, it makes everybody else
look incompetent. The GM and the coach are excellent. They
just needed a trigger man. And I would be shocked
if they don't sign Daniel Jones to an extension.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Where Colin was wrong.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
The Celtics are winless without Jason Tatum, and Jalen Brown's
even playing well. Listen, the last several years, the point
differential didn't change that much.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
In fact, the.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
Offense was better when he didn't play. Now, I didn't
think the team was better, but they've been fine without
Jason Tatum for several years. Right now, their offense thirtieth
in the NBA, dead last. So I mean, listen, we
know he's a good player, good kid. In the short term,
they were fine without Jason Tatum. In the long term,
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it is ugly because Jalen Brown's playing well.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Jaylen Brown always plays well.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
Where Colin was right, Colorado got baked again fifty three
to seven, lost to Utah down forty three to nothing
at half. Listen, I said Deon Sanders was great to
get attention. Dion Sanders was good for energy and some recruiting.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
He's not an.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Elite football coach. They're one and four in the Big twelve.
You know, again, not every coach is just about w's.
I think at Colorado with some of their revenue issues,
nil World, I think Dion was a good choice.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
But we always said.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
This staff, I mean that, come on, I mean, you
have to be one thousand percent committed to coaching to
be really, really even good at it, and I just
never thought Dion was that level of a coach. Where
Colin was right, I have never waivered on Justin Herbert.
Top five quarterback period and right now, second in touchdown
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passes in the NFL, first in passing yards, with a
number three running back back up everywhere on the offensive line,
he's faced twenty more pressures than the next quarterback in
the NFL. They are five and three. They just blew
out the Viking. And again, he is doing it with
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most of the offense either gone or not playing at
one hundred.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Percent, where Colin was raw.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Okay, I'm making an exception with quarterbacks wearing their hat
on backwards. Justin was at a Laker game with singer
and model Madison Beer. Listen, I'm sorry, I'm a true romantic.
I'm sorry. Everything in life has exceptions. It was his
off day. I mean he didn't have practice.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
I mean he look at it.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
It's like a hero. I mean everybody in life has
to make one exception. Okay, I made a big exception,
and oh my bad.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
I'm a true romantic.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
I see, you know a lot more than just Valentine's
Day cards going forward. So I'm going to make a
little tiny exception with quarterbacks and their hat on backwards.
Influencer artist, Hey, it's an artist. Maybe maybe he's becoming
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a little more ad libby and with that Matt Hasselback
eighteen years in the NFL. Listen, I have a lot
of kids, and I have rules.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
I am.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
I'll make a second an exception on quarterbacks.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
I like you and herlb it. Hey, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
Romantic is that the right word?
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Listen for him. He's got such beautiful hair. Though it's
kind of like a headband. He's just like keeping it back.
He's like Jim McMahon in that headband. Said Roselle, I mean,
look at that beautiful hair.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
It's amazing.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
He has a lot of beautiful things there and that
his hair.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
You're such a romantic. You're such a romantic.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Oh gosh, I know. All right.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
So I'm watching the Packers last night and I said
this during the break about half hour ago, and j
Mack rolled his eyes and I said, listen, stop telling
me Jordan Loves up and coming.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
That's elite. R moobilly.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
I think he's got a little he got a little
mahomes and in where he can do the underneath stuff.
You can put him on script. But I'm sorry, Matt.
He is just one of those guys that the ball
looks different. It's just he's such a natural, fluid guy.
What do you see.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
Yeah, he's awesome. Listen, it's so weird what the Packers
have done. They went from far to Rogers to Love
so seamlessly. In a world where no one can get
the quarterback, right, those three guys kind of sort of
started playing like each other.
Speaker 4 (08:30):
I think Jordan Love plays a lot like Aaron Rodgers,
you know.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
And I know Matt Lafleur is there same coaches Rogers
finished with, and that's who's training him up.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
He's great.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
I think one of the best things about him is
his calmness, his demeanor when the moments get huge, he's
got a Jalen Hurts vibe about him, like yeah, yeah,
this is really cool.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
This is fun.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
I get to go play against Aaron Rodgers at Lambeau,
no big deal. Yeah we're gonna do a jersey swap later.
Like that's awesome, Like it's incredible to have that level
of you know, like, this is a guy he probably
grew up watching, and now everywhere he goes in Green
Bay people love Aaron Rodgers. A lot of those guys
have super Bowl rings on their fingers are at home
because Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
Helped him get it.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
And yet he's like, yeah, it's cool, Like I'm going
in with my guys that might really be his guys.
They're all hugging before the game, and I'm going to
be like, yeah, this is my team now, I got it.
I'm looking forward to this.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
I love that about him.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
And yeah, sure, like all the throwing and all that stuff,
he's got that as well.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
There's no doubt about that.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Listen, everybody could beat up on Aaron Rodgers. But there's
sometimes you go to a company and the company has
a culture and there's only so much you can do
within that culture. And this is a spend their money
on defense, a defensive head coach, they're still on fourth
and three, punting it or kicking field goals. I think
Aaron's doing kind of about as much as a forty
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one year old quarterback can do with Pittsburgh's offense.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Or am I wrong?
Speaker 5 (09:48):
No?
Speaker 3 (09:49):
And they're the Pittsburgh Steelers, like they're never going to change.
They're bigger than any one player. I don't care who
the player is. For decades now. Aaron Rodgers breathed life
into that offense and that excitement. I think the def
just is in matching the intensity, they're not matching the
level of execution. They spend a lot of money in
that defense. I don't know if you know that, but
they're not playing like it. And I think in that
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game there were just so many efficient runs from the Packers,
especially late in the game.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
And by efficient run, I mean.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
Like if it's second and two and you run the
ball for three yards, like that's perfect, that's called an
efficient run, and so like, not every run has to
be an explosive run, but when it's a running down,
we're moving the chains. That's where the Packers couldn't help
their quarterback out. They couldn't help out Aaron Rodgers on
the other side of the ball. So no, I mean,
this is still a playoff team in my mind because
their division is so bad and they can figure it out.
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But the leadership in that locker room in Pittsburgh has
to step up and say, hey, guys, listen, this is
where the Pittsburgh Steelers. We're known for our defense, Like,
let's be known for it in a good way, not
in the way that, hey, we're letting down.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
Our Hall of Fame quarterback.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
So this happens in the NBA.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
It happens in the NFL, not that frequently, but from
time to time, a really great player leaves and so
does some drama and the team plays better. And I've
seen it happen in the NBA. It's not just all
about you know, great players. Chemistry is so undervalue. You
live with these guys for eight nine months. AJ Brown
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doesn't play. The offense looked like the Super Bowl offense,
and it's like, I like AJ Brown, I love him,
But is it a coincidence they were that good yesterday?
Speaker 3 (11:25):
But they didn't play the Giants? I mean, so, I mean,
I mean, you know, it's a rivalry game.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
The Giants.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
Listen, the Giants had too many mental errors, mental mistakes
on defense. They let Saquon Barkley go for the first
touchdown of the game. I think AJ bark I think
AJ Brown is an incredible player and very important in
Phillies offense to all their success. They didn't need him yesterday.
They played out standing without him yesterday. But they also
rushed the ball for like almost three hundred yards. Dallas
Goddard is a weapon. He showed up big time again.
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You know, the Giants didn't do a great job of
trying to stop him, and then other people stepped up.
Like late in the game, they're going all out blitz.
Jalen Hurts is forced to throw the ball. He throws
a beautiful pass to Dotson. He goes up in mosses
somebody like this. This is a complete team. This is probably,
you know, a lot of people's favorite to be the
Super Bowl representative for the NFC. I think this is
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a team that I believe in. I've believed in them
for a long time. The drama they seem to be
used to it. There's there's something about the mental toughness
of this team. But yes, I would agree you don't
want an energy vampire on the sidelines, and diva wide
receivers can do that. In this case, I don't think
aj Brown is that. I think his importance to the
team is value to the team is real.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
You know, I was thinking about this this morning. Is
that just because a baker and a chef are in
the kitchen, they have two different skill sets. One baking
is following you know, recipes, and you know, chef is
a little of this and a little of that and
a pinch of that. Is that quarterbacks we all just
think big strong pros. Oh okay, that's not it. Some
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guys are timing and rhythm quarterbacks, and some coaches are
timing and rhythm coaches. And then you get Cam Newton
or you get kind of far. I guess you could
say he's just kind of listen, I'm gonna have libs
some of this stuff. I watch Ben Johnson and I
watch Caleb on script. That's one quarterback, but the other
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twelve possessions.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
I'm not trying to be.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
Harsh, but it just doesn't it shouldn't be this hard, Matt,
should it?
Speaker 3 (13:29):
Well, I think Caleb Williams is still a work in progress.
He's a young quarterback, and you know, like I get
what you're saying, Like the baker and the chef, the
scouts are gonna love this guy. He has wow plays
and explosive plays that are just like amazing, Like you
can't coach that. You can't find it anywhere. That's what
scouts love. But what coaches love is consistency. I put
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myself in that boat too. I want consistency. I just
want you to do it the right way. And I
think Caleb is trying. He's trying to throw on time.
He's trying desperately not to take sacks, but in the
process kind of like what Will Levis.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
Did last year. He was trying so hard not to
take sacks.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
He's you know, intentional grounding here and there. He's hurting
his team in other ways. He's missing guys that are
wide open and so listen. I'm not trying to throw stones.
I just think he's a work in progress. But to me,
so far, what I see, I think Ben Johnson is
here to stay as a great head coach. Will it
work out with these two guys, I'm not so sure.
Speaker 4 (14:24):
I'm not so sure.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
The wild plays might be enough for Ben Johnson to say, hey,
I believe in my ability as a coach.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
I can mold this guy.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
But at the same time, the Bears are a talented
team and they want to be winning games. They don't
want to be losing to the Baltimore Ravens the way
they did yesterday.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
I got to give credit. I know it's not a
flashy story. I thought Tyler Hunt me as a backup.
That's about as well as a backup can play. I mean, honestly,
I kept waiting for a mistake. I kept figuring, Okay,
he's a backup I was. I mean, I looked at him,
and I'm like, that's a professional athlete. I could not
believe how efficient he was. Or is it the Bears
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defense is overrated.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
I actually think he's a really good player and he's
a great fit to back up Lamar.
Speaker 4 (15:07):
I think he could be somebody's starter.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
Last year he didn't play great, and I'm not sure
why because every year before that he was very, very impressive.
To me, I think he's one of the I don't know.
I would love to coach him. I think he's a
fun player to watch. I think he does everything right.
He plays on time, you know, I don't know if
there's a huge fan club for him, but I'm in
it if there is one.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
So sometimes, you know, it's so funny about this league.
We've seen Baker and Donald reinvent themselves. Daniel Jones was
so bad with the Giants. It's hard to unsee it.
So Kyle Shanahan, you know, he saw the Sam Donald,
the Caroline and the Jets, and he's like, no, no, I
see it. I see the talent. He brings him out,
and then Sam changes. I looked at Daniel Jones and
(15:52):
I'm totally wrong.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
I'm like, I.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
Can't unsee it. He's too stiff. I know he's a big,
strong guy, but he's too stiff. It looks it's too hard.
Are you shocked? I mean, I think Indy's going to
give him an extension. I think you have to. Are
you shocked by it? No, I'm not shocked at all.
In fact, I feel like I called this.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
This is you know, he went and spent some time
with the Minnesota Vikings, like, you know, similar to what
Sam Darnold did with the forty nine ers, similar to
what really to what Mac Jones.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
Is trying to do right now. And he showed up
and everything I.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
Heard in Indianapolis from day one, they were like, look out,
I know, we drafted a guy really high in the
first round, but Daniel Jones is going to be our starter.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
He's been unbelievably impressive and top to bottom. I don't
care who you talk.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
To, from ownership on all the way down, people have
been saying from day one like, this is going to
be our guy.
Speaker 4 (16:43):
This is going to be our guy. Reminds them of
a lot.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
Of the characteristics that they had and some of the
other great quarterbacks that they had there in the past.
So listen, this is maybe one of the best teams
in football and no one's given him credit.
Speaker 4 (16:54):
I think it's starting to come.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
They got a huge one coming up against Pittsburgh that'll
be a challenge, but if they go and beat Pittsburgh,
I think there's no denying it. We could talk about
Daniel Jones as a possible MVP candidate, if not his
teammate Jonathan Taylor, and we could talk about the Indianapolis
Colts possibly being the one seed in the afc UH
with a you know, with a first round by and
hosting playoff games in a dome stadium.
Speaker 4 (17:16):
Look out for the Indianapolis Colts. They're for real.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
Yeah. I okay, So a full disclosure. I saw bo
Nicks play twice in College Live and I was a
huge fan, and I covered Oregon for a long time,
so I just liked the program. And I'm a huge
Sean Payton guy because I worked with him at Fox
per a year and I just think he's really bright
and has a million ideas. Not all of them right,
(17:40):
but he's got a million ideas. I'm watching them first
of all, between Sutton and Mims and Franklin and this
this kid from Illinois. Those guys are like long, they
run well, they can stretch the field.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
I'm just telling you.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
When I, as a consumer watched Denver, I just see
athletes everywhere.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Weigh in on that offense.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
Bow and Sean, well, they got a great defense and
then that helps the offense. And Sewn is very confident,
knows exactly what he wants to do, has done it
for a long time, and as a quarterback, he's exactly
the kind of guy you didn't want to play for.
I think what bow Nix is so great at and
a lot of people you know, and I would say
every coach I ever had would say, hey, quarterbacks, you
make so much money because of what we expect you
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to do on third down, red zone in two minutes.
And that's where bo Nicks to me, has been outstanding.
Third down, even fourth down. He's been incredible with his arm,
with his legs, with his mind, just really impressive. And
you think about that draft class. The draft class that
last year was Jaden Daniels. This year everyone's talking about
Drake may Both those guys are outstanding. But Bo Necks
he's right there. He's right there both last year and
(18:45):
this year. And some people will like, oh, he's streaky. Yeah,
guess what when he's when he's on fire, he's on fire.
Similar I don't want to say it, but similar to
Drew Brees and a little bit unstoppable.
Speaker 4 (18:55):
Like the defense.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
I don't know what you do differently, And this this
tandem with Sean Payton like it's it's legit.
Speaker 4 (19:03):
Are they a super Bowl contender?
Speaker 2 (19:05):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (19:05):
If they can come out of their division, if they
could win that division, they can win the super Bowl.
That's a great division. So I'm a believer in bo Nicks.
I don't know how you can't be Yeah, you.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Know, It's funny.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
I'm watching Green Bay last night and I'm watching Denver yesterday,
and they just these coaches Lafleura and Peyton have a
way and I don't. And I'm going to ask you
this that whenever they need a clever play, I'm always
amazed when Andy Reid gets Sky Moore not only a
touchdown of the Super Bowl, he's opened by twenty yards at.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
The nine yard line. You're like, how the hell do
you do that? How do you fool everybody?
Speaker 1 (19:38):
How many times did you with like a Mike holmgrin,
How many times did you go into a game? How
many plays did you have that were like, okay, we
need a touchdown? How many do you go into a game?
Because I swear to God, these offensive coaches, the best guys,
just have a way of dialing up a play and
it's not just open, it's easily open in this tiny
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congestion space.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
Yeah, Like listen, I might be like bursting your bubble
here a little bit. But like sometimes you'll put a
play in for a team. Let's just say you're Sean
Payton and the Broncos. You put a play in for
the Raiders and you'd ended up not calling it, but like, man,
that would have been of a great, great play, and
you keep practicing it for like a week, two weeks,
three weeks, four weeks, and now you're going to use
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it against the next opponent like five weeks later, and
it works on them, and they're like, oh, they schemed
up this defense. And it's like, you know, the funny
thing is the name of that play is Raider, because
we put it against it for the Raiders like five
weeks ago. We've just been practicing for so long we
finally got the stupid thing called that call sheets so
stinking big, you can't you know, sometimes you just don't
get to all of them, and so like yeah, it's
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like sometimes like oh, we schemed them up, Like we
didn't put it in for this team.
Speaker 6 (20:48):
You know.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
I think the Philly Special might have even been that
kind of a play the Eagles that put it in
way earlier in the season. So the last game of
the seasons the Super Bowl, and Nick Foles says to
Doug Peterson be like, hey.
Speaker 4 (20:59):
You want to run pH Special?
Speaker 3 (21:00):
Like I've been practicing this thing all year, Like, let's
just go ahead and run.
Speaker 4 (21:03):
It so that that happens.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
I see plays happen all the time, and I'm like,
I doubt they put that in for this team.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Well you did burst my bubble.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
But it's great information and it's anytime I see that,
I'm like, what a brilliant coach. And I'm like, yeah,
it's just like in the dust bin in the back
room and you pull it out because you need.
Speaker 4 (21:20):
It, you know, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
All right, great stuff.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
Matt hassell back on a Monday, Thanks Bud, all right,
see you. Yeah, that's such good information because Lafleur had
one of those last night against the Steelers, and.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
I'm like, man, that guy's a genius.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
You may have he may have had that thing that
the Lions in the opener and he didn't get to it.
And boy, Sean Payton and Andy Reid, they just you
get into these fourth and ones or a two point conversion.
It's like, yeah, it's gonna work. It's gonna work. And
I love the fact that he likes Tyler Huntley too.
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I'm watching the Ravens. I'm like, you've never seen Tyler
Huntley play. You're like, oh, I could build around that guy.
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Speaker 1 (22:41):
Carson Palmer last hour, Game three of the World Series Tonight,
Josh Paige stops Meyer show great college football voice in
the final hour.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
LSU's like, it's.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
A really interesting if you were Lane Kiffin and you
were offered LSU or Florida, who would you take? I
would take Florida because Lane's a Florida guy. But LSU
is considered by many to be, along with Georgia maybe Texas,
the best college football job because of all the high
school talent. With an hour of the campus, Lane Kifvin's
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gonna have options including staying at Old Miss. They're gonna
make the playoff now, they got three or four games
left or mostly at home. So Lane Kiffin is going
to make the playoff. Reinvented himself.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
Good for him. Jmack with the news. Now this is
the herd Line news.
Speaker 6 (23:31):
All right, Colin, we got to start with an ugly
story in the NFL, and that's the Baltimore Ravens skirting
the injury reports stuff all week with this Lamar Jackson.
This has gotten ugly and they're gonna get slapped on
the wrist for it.
Speaker 8 (23:44):
So it's weird.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
Colin.
Speaker 6 (23:45):
Friday, we were on the show, Lamar Jackson was listed
as a full participant in practice.
Speaker 8 (23:51):
John Harbaugh said he practiced in full.
Speaker 6 (23:53):
So then on Saturday, the Ravens said, oh, that was
our mistake. He was actually limited in practice and he
was with the scout team. And then all of a sudden,
it's like Lamar's not playing, and Colin, I don't know
how you I know, You're like, hey, it's no big deal.
Games with shit, blah blah blah. They're playing with the
minds of the of the Chicago Bears, keeping them guessing
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whether it's Lamar or snow Pudley Kyle.
Speaker 8 (24:17):
This is bad.
Speaker 6 (24:17):
Here's John Harbaugh explaining it.
Speaker 9 (24:21):
It's an honest mistake. I mean, he really is an
honest mistake. I can tell you this. Nobody's trying to
hide anything. I mean, there's no advantage. There's no advantage
to be gained, you know.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
With that.
Speaker 9 (24:32):
In their defense, you know, he practiced a full practice.
I think they felt like because he did the same
number of reps, it was a full practice. But when
you dig in and you read the rule, at the
end of the day, it wasn't right. So that's what
it was. That's why as soon as we found out,
we changed it.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
I don't want to be cynical media guy. Oh really, Okay,
I believe him.
Speaker 8 (24:53):
He's the only coach in the league.
Speaker 6 (24:54):
What fifteen twenty years and he's like, oh, when you
read the rule.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
I didn't know the rule.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
San Francisco forty nine Ers players did not know the
overtime rule in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 8 (25:06):
It's been changed. Come on, stop it, Andrew. Reports have
come on. This has been around for a while. I
know they're a good organization. MC collin I is a
little sketchy.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
This idea that everybody knows everything. I literally have been
in TV for twenty five years. I could never direct
a show. I don't even know what knob to push
the idea that every coach knows everything about every They
don't they That's why half of these coordinators get jobs
and they just flail. They don't have the little tiny
(25:39):
leak between coordinator and head coach. They can't do it.
I know everybody out there is this is what we do.
We're all we're like sharks attacking chum.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
When John Harbaugh is like, yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
We we didn't know, and that we found out, we
immediately changed it. I think he's not bsing. I think
he's telling the truth. Friday when most people are doing
their you know, walk through the date before the weekend begins. Hey,
we're locked in the plan, we got everything. Lamar's practicing
in full and then he doesn't play.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Listen.
Speaker 6 (26:08):
The Falcons are dodging a bullet here because they did
the same crap with Drake London, who didn't miss any
practice all week and then all of a sudden sits
out the game.
Speaker 8 (26:16):
I mean, Colin, you know this.
Speaker 6 (26:18):
The league is hugely propelled by fantasy football and gambling,
and a lot of people are making decisions on that
and betting early in the week, and maybe one of
the people all this.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
Come out you you are hugely propelled well and betting.
Speaker 8 (26:31):
And people are doing this. It's not one person.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
Millions of people go to games. They don't get it.
Be coordinators. So what, I don't care If I'm an
NFL franchise, I don't give a care. I don't give
a rip about fantasy football players.
Speaker 6 (26:42):
The league has rules in place because they know how
valuable fantasy and gambling.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
Oh you know.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
My rule has always been I don't think injury reports
should be published period. I think it's a terrible idea
to tell opponents the weakness. The other thing, it was
a hamstring injury. Two injuries in my life hamstring injuries
and calf injuries. Well, let me add groin injuries. You're like, oh,
I'm good. You wake up the next morning, you stretch
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and you're like, crap.
Speaker 8 (27:09):
I just you and me, But not twenty five year
old guy.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
They're Opposite's true, they're more finely tuned. I have literally
pulled my groin because I had I had my groin pulled.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
I remember this years ago.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
In a broadcast and an athlete said, bro, you're gonna
pull the other side if you don't just do not
do anything athletic, And I'm out here thinking, yeah whatever.
Two days later made it worse. Calf injuries, hammy injuries.
These are finely tuned athletes. Sometimes you go to Bettett
Fiel's good, you wake up. You can literally pull your
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calf in your sleep. So I don't think I do not.
I'm not gonna be cynical guy on Ravens like I
don't think they knew.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
I think it happens.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
I think players change their minds Lamar could say, okay,
goo practice, but how hard did he go at practice?
Speaker 2 (28:01):
You don't know that.
Speaker 6 (28:03):
But we're on the very opposite sides of the fence.
And now we'll move on to speaking of bad. It's
the San Francisco forty nine ers. They were down bad.
We had this in headlines Friday. This was a layup
Texans roll a listless San Francisco team. Colin they had
zero first downs. I believe with ninety seconds left in
the first half, they could not move the football. Semac
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had very low usage rate. I think he had like
seventy yards total here's Kyle Shanahan not thrilled with his
team's effort.
Speaker 5 (28:32):
Not much the sugarcoat there. I was roll disappointed in
how he looked for all four quarters on first half
was unacceptable and second half didn get much better. So
not much to say about it except that we'll look
it on the plane and figure out all the things
that we know we can correct and that we did
mess up. But I expect the guys coming tomorrow with
a chip on their shoulder ready to get back to war.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
What's interesting is after wins I took the Texans this week.
After wins, Shanahan's teams, for some reasons, don't perform necessarily
at their best level.
Speaker 6 (29:06):
I mean, they are so beat up, but still though
to let the Texans have like.
Speaker 8 (29:10):
Four hundred yards of offense.
Speaker 6 (29:12):
No Nico Collins and I think he was throwing a
three Iowa state geist. Just a bunch of young receivers,
and it's like that that was eye opening Colin. I'm
just wondering teams don't punt games, but there were a
couple of games Sunday that felt like, Ah, we're not
locked in, We're gonna let this one go. Do you
(29:32):
think this is just a blipper of the Niners in trouble.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
Go look at that. You know you have the Niners
winning the division. I did not, and I did not
for the exact reason that's transpired, which is their old,
expensive and brittle and when old teams get hurt, it
takes them longer to recover. Young teams like Seattle or
Green Bay can get banged up. Two weeks later the
guys playing, So who do the Niners play next?
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Keep your on the.
Speaker 8 (29:53):
New York Giants. Go ahead, I double dog there.
Speaker 6 (29:57):
You can take Jackson Dart with him without Cam'skataboo. By
the way, Giants fans, I did try to get Scataboo
in the show the groosly broken ankle. He's done for
the year. The Giants are unwatchable. I think Brian Dabole
is coaching for his job here in the next couple
weeks calling, I.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
Know you disagree. You like the dable dark Combo have.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
To fly all the way cross country to face a
team that just got humiliated.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
All right, yeah, well we'll.
Speaker 6 (30:22):
See what they got. Final story calls to the NBA.
I listen, I had to get this one in your guy.
Austin Reeves with one of the great performances we've seen
in the early season. Fifty one points. Colin, no Luca,
no Lebron, just a heavy dose of Austin Reeves fifty one,
eleven and nine. What are performance? Strangely, you were quiet
(30:45):
on social media when Reeves was cooking. I didn't know
if you just wanted to just to wait to do
it on the show.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
I mean, Sacramento is known for such a such a
rigid defense.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
We go all right.
Speaker 6 (30:55):
Anyways, here's Austin Reeves talking about the night of his.
Speaker 10 (30:58):
Career, especially on a night where you don't have Look,
you don't have Brown, you don't have Jackson. Let you know,
you gotta go out there and be big for the team. Now,
wasn't in my head thinking you gotta go score to fifty.
It was do whatever you can do to help.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
The team win.
Speaker 6 (31:12):
How about this efficiency? You love the word efficiency?
Speaker 2 (31:16):
Love it?
Speaker 6 (31:16):
Fifty one points on twenty two shots. It's glorious.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
Hall in Westbrook? Why why the win? Who Russell Westbrook? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (31:25):
And a non factor and irrelevant came off the bench.
Maybe you had a dozen points and Austin Reeves fifty one.
You know, I know you like Cooper Flag and some
of these other hot, young, shiny new objects. Just keep
an eye on Austin Reeves. If it ends with Lebron
this season, can Reeves be the two and they get
(31:45):
in like some other good players.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
No, I've been on this for years. He is on
a championship team. He's a four. Oh on a good
playoff team. He's a three. Remember that Minnesota series. You
want to see that a game?
Speaker 8 (31:59):
How many time weld against Anthony Edwards? Yes, he undenying.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
I wasn't the only person he struggled against.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
J Mack with the news. Well that's the news, and
thanks for stopping back the herd line news.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
For the record, Austin Reeves isn't necessarily a great fit
with Luca because Luca needs the ball. Austin needs the ball,
so Lebron needs the ball. If I was the Lakers,
I would move Austin Reeves trade deadline. He can be
maximized somewhere else much more effectively. That's not a knock
(32:34):
on Austin Reeves. He's really good with the ball in
his hands. Luca skinny, Luca should have the ball in
his hands. I said this before the season started. I
said it's gonna be a problem. Lebron's much better with
ball than off ball, Skinny Luca.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
Get him the ball and get out of the way.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
So I think Austin Reeves's there's too much redundancy. When
Lebron gets back, Lebron needs ball, Luca, he needs ball.
I would get somebody who's more off ball. That's my take.
And Austin Reeves, I mean, I'm the Lakers last night.
I'm like loving it. I want everybody in the world
to see this guy. Hey, that guy. There are teams
(33:16):
in the league that need somebody like I said Number
two with the ball. Lakers don't. And here's the air thing.
Not only are international players the best five players in
the NBA, they're the best five players by a mile.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
I mean, there's.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
Nobody else like Wemby. There's no domestic player like Wenby.
There's no domestic player like Luca. Forget Sga and Jannis
Skinny Luca. There's no comp in the States Wemby, there's
no comp on the Earth. But I think Austin Reeves
has value. But I think it's a redundancy issue with
(33:56):
the Lakers. He is really good with the ball in
his hands, So there you go.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
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Speaker 6 (34:14):
Tonight, it's Game three of the World Series. As the
scene shifts to la or Vlad Junior in the Blue
Jays take on show, Hey Otani and the Dodgers. Game
three of the World Series. Coverage begins tonight at seven
pm Eastern four Pacific on Fox.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
I'll take the Dodgers.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
Glass Now has pitched thirteen in the third innings in
the postseason, giving up one earned run. His stuff is nasty,
but like Snell, you know, he's a guy that had
some injuries in his career. They didn't pitch him a
ton necessarily during the regular season. He has got filthy stuff.
So Toronto is a handful. Series is one one. Jay's
(34:56):
had a nine run inning in Game one, but Yoshi
shut him down. Listen, great pitching beats great hitting. I'll
take the Dodgers and Glass Now tonight. For the record,
let me just throw this out there. I don't want
I don't want this to be lost about the whole
(35:17):
bow Knicks thing, like I love bow Knicks. A lot
of people in the league I'd talked to were very
hot and cold on him, didn't think he had a
good enough arm. I don't think that's a problem. And
I also think guy's arms get stronger. Aaron Rodgers at
Cal was not Aaron Rodgers with the Packers. His arm
got stronger, So bow Knicks since the start of last season.
(35:38):
For all the critics of bow Knicks. First in the
NFL completions on third down, third down is a big
boy down. That's for the grownups. That's like the Drew
Breeze down. That's the Brady down. That's the Mahomes down.
First in the NFL completions on third down, also top
(35:59):
four in the league in a red zone touchdowns is
some of Sean Payton, Yes, some of it is Sean Payne.
Some of the Mahomes greatness in the red zone is
Andy Reid, some of Brady Josh McDaniels like, yes, of course,
But Matt Hasselback earlier today on what he sees from
bow Necks.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
With Bownicks is so great at and a lot of people,
you know, and I would say every coach I ever
had would say, hey, quarterbacks. You make so much money
because of what we expect you to do on third down,
red zone in two minutes. And that's where Bonnicks to me,
has been outstanding. Some people will like, oh, he's streaky. Yeah,
guess what when he's when he's on fire, he's on fire.
Similar I don't want to say it, but similar to
(36:42):
Drew Brees and a little bit unstoppable, like the defense.
I don't know what you do differently, and this this
tandem was Sean Payton like, it's it's legit.
Speaker 4 (36:52):
Are they a super Bowl contender?
Speaker 3 (36:54):
Yeah, if they can come out of their division, if
they could win that division, they can win the super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
Yeah, it's you know, I think guys especially want to
be right, and so if they didn't think bon Nicks
would be good, they're not interested in getting it right.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
They want to be right.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
And so a lot of people that didn't like bon Nicks,
especially guys, they're not going to admit it. Well, it's
the receivers on Sean Payton, the dude eighteen under. It's
pretty surgical, it's pretty special. He will uncork an ugly one.
He had an early interception against Dallas that was brutal.
He's young, you're two, it's October, but I.
Speaker 2 (37:37):
Mean he is.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
People struggle to get past him being you know what,
was he the sixth quarterback taking or fifth quarterback? People
just can't get past that. I said in that quarterback
draft class, JJ McCarthy was the one I didn't get.
I got Drake, I got Caleb, I got Jayden, I
got Panix. I was a big bon Nicks guy. And
there's no getting around he's outstanding. I want to say
(38:02):
this again, is that for the last probably seven or
eight years, I was very critical of the Lakers. I
didn't think they had a very strong ownership group. Then
they brought in the Dodgers, who already owned a part.
The Dodgers owner came in and bought the Lakers, and
(38:24):
so it's a whole new ballgame. My feeling on the
Lakers is totally different ballgame. Money's not a factor. They'll
be run like the Dodgers, which is vision long term.
But one of the things last night that's already been highlighted.
They have said in twenty twenty six they want to
go big game hunting. The opposite of big game hunting
(38:45):
is signing Austin Reeves to an extension at forty million
a year. That's the opposite. He's a number three or
a number four. It's a very good player. There are
three teams in this league who are good to pretty good,
and they need some that can have their ball in
their hands and initiate offense. The Rockets, the Celtics in Miami.
(39:06):
I would call all three and find somebody that can
be an athletic wing. Lebron needs the ball. Luca needs
the ball. You do not need another guy who's an
average defender who needs the ball. Lebron at this point
needs the ball. Average defender Luca's entire career really needs
(39:28):
the ball. Average defender. Austin Reeves is your third guy.
Austin gives you the effort defensively. Not a great defensive player.
He tries, and he's a good athlete. But it's just
redundancy and the old Laker ownership I think would have
been afraid to pull the trigger. If I'm running the Lakers,
I love what Austin Reeves did last night. I'd go
(39:50):
to your social I'd just put it on for three days.
If you can move Austin Reeves to like the Celtics,
or like the Rockets or Miami, a team that needs
somebody to initiate the offense and get somebody that is
off ball, because the Lakers are not a good rim protector.
I mean, even DeAndre Ayton's athletic not a very good
(40:12):
defensive player. Reeves isn't a very good defensive player, Lucas
not a very good defensive player. Lebron at this point's
not a very good defensive player. Redundancy, Your best players
are all offensive guys. Move Austin Reeves. He's a good
player on this team. You've got him, just better versions.
So through three games, the Lakers have already shown you
(40:35):
a little bit of what they are, which is a
bad defensive team. They're a bottom ten defensive team. You
got four guys who are much better on the offensive
end than the defensive end. What are you doing, so,
Austin Reeves, you move into a team that needs offense
and get an athletic, you know, like a nas red guy,
like energy, defense, toughness, size, that's what you need. You
(40:58):
don't need another guy that needs the ball in their
hands and can't make a stop.
Speaker 6 (41:02):
So, you know, Colin, you sound a lot like the
pundits after the Dallas Mavericks traded for Kyrie to partner
Kyrie with Luca, they went to the finals. Colin, so,
I think Austin Reeves is going to be just fine
alongside Luca.
Speaker 8 (41:15):
The only way.
Speaker 6 (41:16):
They're moving him is if Giannis is coming to the Lakers.
That's the only way. I don't know that Milwaukee would
be interested in Reeves. He would be a fan favorite,
very Midwest flavor given his background. But I'm not giving
up Austin Reeves.
Speaker 2 (41:28):
Yeah. Well, another thing we disagree on
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