October 29, 2025 • 42 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Here we go. It's Wednesday. It's our two. Joel Clatton
five minutes. He's got Ohio State, Penn State.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
This weekend.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
It is The Herd live in Chicago. So on Tuesdays,
I do Hurd hierarchy. One of the reasons I've had
the Kansas City Chiefs number one for a month in
Herd hierarchy is the best way I would explain how
I view the Kansas City Chiefs is the same way
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I view the company Apple. I don't always love the
stock price, but I trust the leadership and like the company,
don't always love the stock price. Not every product works.
And I'm looking at Kansas City this morning. Their last
time they won a Super Bowl, they averaged twenty two
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points a game. This year they're averaging twenty six. And
Apple or the Chiefs ability to fix problems quickly. Like
their run game early this year was awful. Oh, I
watched that last week. Pretty good. Their O line lost
Joe Tooney was not good early. It's ranked fourth by
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PFF today. Their wide receiver group six weeks ago kind
of a mess. Now I think it's the deepest in
the sport. I've said this about the Rams and McVeigh.
They just fixed stuff fast. The Kansas City Chiefs. I
don't always love the stock price or the products. Trust
the management. I trust the company. Chicago Bears Ben Johnson.
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Last year Bears were dead last in offense. Right now
they're top twelve, and we still think they're inconsistent quarterback.
So I know they have the right coach. So everybody
has dips. It could be Meta, it could be Microsoft,
it could be the Kansas City Chiefs.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
Say this for Sean Payton rebuilt them.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Sean Payton, remember the Rams a couple of years ago.
Sean Payton rebuilt with the dead cap money of Russell Wilson.
They're still paying. Rebuilt them in a year, still paying
dead cap money. Kyle Shanan, to his credit, using a
backup quarterback. Eight high end starters gone still viable, still
in the playoff picture. I think it's mostly offensive guys.
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I always say this, I can always tell when a
guy doesn't have real confidence. I mean, you can go
to the gym, have the big chest, you're going to
have the big truck. Well, when a guy is rich
and doesn't like change, he doesn't trust himself, forget what
he's projecting out. He didn't trust himself. Okay, Andy Reid
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trusts himself. Sean McVeigh, Kyle Shanahan, Sean Payton, they rebuild
all the time, they move off stuff all the time,
and it's not working. That's the ultimate confidence it. They
just had to get that. They had to get Rashid
Rice back. I mean they still don't have their left
tackle O lines ranked fourth. If you really do trust yourself,
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you're okay to rebuild stuff because you know you may miss,
but you're more likely to hit. It's like when Sean
Payton was calling out Russell Wilson. He didn't have Bonnicks yet,
but he knew it was a big quarterback draft coming up,
and he knew he was going to get one of
those quarterbacks. And he got the one he liked and
would turn it around. And he did, and he made
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the playoffs in a division with Herbert and Mahomes. And
with that, Joel Clatt, the voice of college football, is
now joining us. He's got Penn State at Ohio State
this weekend. So you know these universities, they always squawk
about their running out of money.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
Boy, the nil. How are we gonna make the nil work?
Speaker 1 (04:14):
And then they buy out James Franklin and Brian Kelly
at LSU, So he got plenty of money. We were
talking about this. So Florida's got an opening, LSU's got
an opening, Penn State's got an opening. Now I think
a lot of it. Brian Kelly always felt Midwest to me,
not Southern. I didn't love the fit. But Urban Meyer
went down and won Natty's at Florida, and he's more Midwest.
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If you said there was a the hottest coach in
the country, LSU, Florida, Penn State, Is there a best
job of those three?
Speaker 3 (04:47):
Yeah? I think LSU is and Colin.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
I would go a step further and say I think
LSU is a top three job.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
In the entire sport.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
I think only Texas and maybe all Ohio State are
better than LSU. I think LSU is a better job
than BAMA. I think it's arguable between LSU and Georgia,
They've got incredible resources. The recruiting pipeline is right there.
You're in the middle of everything in terms of recruiting.
They have tradition, guys can win national championship there. So
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it comes down to fit. I mean, why does Edozeron
fit at LSU and not Brian Kelly. I think it's
what you were just talking about about being rigid. You know,
ed Ojeron, you know, went down there and he was
flexible and did some things that maybe he was uncomfortable with,
and all of a sudden they turned into the best
offense in the history of college football in twenty nineteen
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with Joe Burrow and Brian Kelly. I mean, it was
the moment he stepped onto that basketball court and gave
the fake Southern accent. I couldn't unsee that or unhear that.
So every time I saw him in an LSU shirt
or hat, I couldn't unhear the fake accent. It was
never a good fit and the authentic his city was
never really there at LSU. Now starting to come out,
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a lot of the former players are chirping on social
media and you're trying to decipher what that is and
peek under the hood a little bit. But fit is
very important. Back to your question about like best jobs,
I do think that LSU is the best one of
this cycle and Colin. I would say that these three
with Florida and Penn State, I think are three of
the top ten jobs in all of college football. And
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I can't remember. Maybe I'm just being recency biased here.
I can't remember a time when we had this level
of openings, in particular in October.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
That's never happened.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
We can talk about the timing of these firings as well,
but these are massive jobs that are all looking for
like the A list guy, and I would actually make
an argument that the talent pool is more thin than
it's ever been. You know, this is going to produce
a bit of an arms race. Lane Kiffin likely will
end up being the highest paid coach in college football
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because of this. Dan Lanning will likely end up being
a fifteen million dollars or a year coach because of this,
whether they stay in their respective spots or move. I
think LSU is going to call Urban and Nick Saban
because why wouldn't you I think they're going to call
Dan Lanning and they're going to offer him the moon.
LSU has a lot of money. This is what people,
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I don't think understand. It's a little bit more quiet
than other places around the country, but they've got those
billionaires down there, trust me, and they've got a lot
of resources and money will not be the reason that
they miss on a coach here. But what they should
be thinking about is what we were just talking about,
which is fit. Who's the best fit for LSU, because
if you get the fit right, that's a place that
can win the national championship.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
So two games this weekend are fascinating. If UFC loses
it in Nebraska and Vanderbilt beats Texas, Sark and Lincoln.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
Riley are going to get major heat.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Now, Sark's got a bit of a pass because arch
Manning hurt may not play right. I saw some Sark
rumors come out about the NFL. I had said this
two months ago, like, I think he's the best candidate
out there from the college game is Sark. But I
think Texas is arguably the best job. So I would
stay in Austin. But just let's just look ahead, and
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I know I always talk to USC but last time
you were on, you said it's better now, and I said, okay,
the offense was good four years ago. The offense was
smart and clever, and quarterback play was good. They were
very good at home four years ago, and they can't
win games on the road, and they're a much better program.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
That's so surface, so certain. Maybe I'm surface, I'm in television.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Maybe just the makeup in the Maybe if they lose
to Nebraska, would.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
You acknowledge is it's not better than three years ago? Yes?
Speaker 4 (08:39):
Yeah, this is a great litmus test of I guess
our positions on this. You talked about like the offense
being clever and creative, that's because they had to be
because they weren't balanced. Now they're balanced and against the
teams that they can retain that balance, they are very
good now. Was Illinois good matchup for them?
Speaker 5 (09:01):
No?
Speaker 3 (09:01):
And Notre Dame.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
No.
Speaker 4 (09:02):
And that's where they need to continue to get better.
I believe they're on the trajectory towards getting better in
those areas, to be better at the line of scrimmage.
But but what's different now is that they will and
are committed to running the football and they should be
able to run it against Nebraska. Nebraska's ranked fifteenth in
the Big Ten. Stop in the run, and if you
allow Lincoln Riley and Jade Mayava to have a run game,
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they will pick you apart. This is why it's different
now and it's much more sustainable. The one worry would
be like, is there defense going to be able to
stop the run of Nebraska. I think Nebraska's okay running
the football. They'll certainly try to test the interior of
that defensive line. But this has much more sustainability, and
the trajectory for USC is a lot more positive now
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than it was even when they had Kayleb Williams, because
with Kayleb Williams, it was smoking mirrors Colin. It was
all surface, it was lipstick, it was vanity. Now there's
some substance there because of the balance that they play
with on the offensive side, and if they retain that
against Nebrassca, they'll win this weekend.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
There's there's not a doubt in my mind.
Speaker 4 (10:03):
In fact, I would take them and give the six
and a half because I don't think Nebraska stops the
run and there's no way that USC is going to
score under thirty five points if they're balanced. And if
you're telling me Dylan RelA is going to score thirty
or more points against USC, I would. I just don't
think that that's going to take place.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
So I watched last week.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
I watched Alabama and South Carolina play, and though it
was an a losing cause, I think I draft the
South Carolina quarterback first because I see juice. I've always
said that's about quarterback play. When I watch a college guy,
you got to give me one wow trait. I've got
to go wow.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
No, So South Carolina, right, you're wrong again, You're wrong again.
Ty Simpson has no juice. He's doing no juice. Watch it,
Watch his intermediate throws. Watch him control the game from
the pocket, Colin, Colin, he is just who wins Super Bowls.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
Guys that control through the game from the pocket control
the game. Now, you have to do those things first.
See this is this is and I bring this up
all the time, this is math. You gotta have algebra
one under your belt before you can go to algebra
two and then calculus and to all that. You got
to bake the cake first before you put frosting on it.
You want to go and you want to put the
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wedding topper on it and get all the frivolous frosting.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
On the cake. But you got to understand you've got
to make the cake first. And listen.
Speaker 4 (11:28):
Sellers is a terrific player and he'll certainly be thought
of highly in the NFL draft. I think he's going
to be a top ten pick. I'm not saying that
he's bad, but I'm just saying if you compare their games,
the game that Ty Simpson plays directly correlates to the
National Football League. He will go in and he will
have success. He is a bow Knicks or a Joe
Burrow style of guy that can go in there and
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make those throws right away with anticipation and accuracy. I
would also put another guy in there, Fernando Mendoza is
going to have a ton of success in the NFL
because of what he does from a foundational standpoint. His
accuracy is his anticipation, his intellect. Sellers is a wonderful player.
But you take a look around the NFL at all
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these places that draft traits at quarterback versus drafting quarterbacks,
and it never ends up well for them. They're turning
over offensive coordinators they're turning over head coaches. It never
really works. Maybe that guy will succeed down the road.
But to me, the first pick in the draft is
going to become a discussion between Mendoza at Indiana and
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Ty Simpson at Alabama. Sellers is wonderful, but he doesn't
control the game from the pocket like those two do.
If you look at the last you know, ever since
Tom Brady won his Super Bowl, you look at the
quarterbacks that win the Super Bowl, look at their college careers,
look at the style that they play, look at what
they do, their experience. They have over thirty starts combined.
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You know, I think the average number of starts for
the guys that have won Super Bowl since the early
two thousands is like twenty nine and a half is
the average number of starts in college. So you're looking
for an experienced guy you can go out there control
it from the pocket.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
So that that's what I would say about that.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
I mean, look at the trades. So you keep wanting
to draft Kayleb Williams and then now you bag on
Kayleb Williams and you're all over Ben Johnson.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
Well, no, I like Drake May and Jaden Daniels and
bow Nicks.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
I liked all of them. I thought all of those
guys could control the game from the pocket.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
I like Jayden daniels movement. I like bo Nick's athletic ability.
I actually like Drake May's athletic But those are pluses.
Those are like the that's the frosting. It's like, great,
Now you tell me you got a cake, and now
you can put some frosting on it. Now I'm in
Let me ask you, if Ohio State, so Michigan wins
the Natty, then Ohio State wins the Natty. If Ohio
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State and their defense is clearly the best in the country, yeah,
if Ohio State or Indiana wins the National Championship, what
does it say about the Big Ten CEC comp What
does it say?
Speaker 3 (14:02):
You know?
Speaker 4 (14:03):
I get I get this question a lot, and I
think that it boils down to this. I think at
at the top end, the Big Ten has the best
teams in college football. Indiana and Ohio State, you know,
kind of leading the track there as far as depth goes.
In the middle of the conference, you can make an
argument that the SEC is better. Now, I do think
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that some of those teams get overvalued as compared to
the top middle of the Big Ten. For instance, these
four teams I feel like do not get the love
that they should Iowa, Washington, Michigan, and USC. Those teams
are better than the AP would suggest. They're better than
the narrative would suggest, than the other network would certainly suggest.
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But the middle of the the SEC is is very
good and very deep, and it makes it incredibly difficult
to go out there and win every single week. What
I start getting frustrated with in this whole conversation is
that you go in overtime if your Texas against can
and Mississippi State, and you're sitting there and it's like,
hold on a second, you can't just tell me that
every win in that conference because it's on the road,
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is a quality win, and Texas all of a sudden
retains their position, even moves up in the apeople. Meanwhile,
Iowa is playing great football. They were just tied with
Indiana in the last two minutes of their game in
kinnick a couple of weeks ago, a few weeks ago,
thirteen thirteen, and Iowa can't get ranked. So that's where
the perception maybe is a little off. Top into the
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big ten, better middle of the sec better deeper, and
that's both of those things can be true.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
You know, it's interesting because of Phil Knight's money. I
wouldn't leave Oregon for LSU, even though I think LSU
is a better job. I wouldn't leave Ole Miss for Florida.
There's way more pressure, and I think you can have
a team that's almost as talent rich as long as
you have one or two nil guys. I wouldn't leave.
There's only about four programs. I would never leave Ohio State.
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I would never leave. I don't think there's a better
job than Texas. If I got LSU rolling, I wouldn't leave.
Same with Georgia.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
Fama.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
What do you do if you're Lane Kiffin? Because you
could get Florida or LSU. What do you do if
you're Lane Kiffin. He's still young, he's reinvented himself. Ole
Miss is a very good job. It's not a great job,
it's a very good job. I would stay because I
think he's viewed as the architect of the next ten years,
and he's bounced around a lot, and I think for
his personality and what he's done, it's a neat fit.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
Would you leave? Would you leave if you were Lane?
Speaker 4 (16:38):
I mean, LSU is intriguing, right. I just think like
LSU is a step above. I think that you have
to overachieve at ole Miss. You've got to do things
that the program has never done to reach your ultimate
goals and to win at the top end of college
football in a lot of respects. You know, the best
years of ole Miss football at least in recent vintage
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or what we're seeing right now.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
And does he want better than that?
Speaker 4 (17:05):
You know, and go to LSU, and we know that
LSU can go and put together rosters year in and
year out that compete at the top end not only
the SEC, but also of the country and win a
national championship. I do think it comes down to resources.
And like I said, I think that LSU has top
two or three resources financially in college football. I know
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a couple of their boosters. They have deep, deep pockets,
and in this day and age, that's what you have
to have. That's why Dan Lanning loves Oregon that in
a few other things. I think Dan Lanning and his
family love Eugene. You know, Dan told me one time,
He's like, you know, what's kind of nice is I
can go to dinner in Eugene and you can't go
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to dinner. I mean that's something I know that resonates,
you know, calling with you is like the quality of
life in Eugene is very good. And it's not like
he's not able to build a team that can go
and perform at the top end college football, maybe even
win the national championship. Heck, they might win the national
championship this year. Yeah, I mean, we don't even you know,
we need to see how that team continues to develop
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and play in this month of November, although they're November
is going to be pretty difficult for them. So I
don't think Dan Lanning will leave, but I think Lane will.
I think Lane is is. If I had to bet
Lane Kiffin is your next coach at LSU, Wow, that's powerful.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
That'd be an interesting watch, wouldn'mit? It would be do
you say, hey, let me throw this out there. I
know it's just a conjecture. I think Sark works in
the NFL. I think he does.
Speaker 4 (18:37):
Yeah, so you said, listen, Obviously he's coached there and
done it successfully. When he was a coordinator at Atlanta,
he was great. Ryan Day would be another guy has
as NFL background. Remember he was on a couple of
Chips staffs at San Francisco and in Philadelphia.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
How about this argument that Texas is a great job,
but the best jobs in the world. Texas is arguably
the best colleg job, but the best jobs in the
world at football are NFL jobs. When you have solid
ownership and a star quarterback, your asist, your assistance, don't
leave because NFL pays more and the pensions are great
for coaches, so you can maintain a staff. You may lose,
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you know, McVeigh, may lose an offensive guy once in
a while, but you can maintain a lot of your staff.
And if you've got a Bob Kraft, if you've got
a cron key, or you've got solid ownership Steve Bushetti,
You're not gonna have a lot of turnover. I mean,
I could see Sark going and just saying, if you
you know, like Hardball left for Herbert, that was a
smart move. I could see Sark going if they blew
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out Sean McDermott loses first round of the playoffs, I
would leave Texas for Buffalo and Josh Allen, Right, I.
Speaker 4 (19:46):
Mean, I understand I understand that it's certainly maybe more attractive,
more comfortable. To your point, it's not going to be
a money issue. I will say there's two things, and
I understand I live in the college football space, but
there's two things specifically that are different at the college
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level that are not an option at the NFL level,
not an option. Number one is that you could impact
these kids' lives to a greater degree. Sure, so you
can influence these guys, and if that's something that drives
you and you're passionate about, then college is the.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
Place for you. I think that you would agree with that. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (20:28):
The next thing is is that in college you are
the quarterback. Bill Belichick is revered and considered one of
the great coaches in the history of the NFL. And
yet when we think about the Patriots in their run,
who do we bring up first?
Speaker 3 (20:45):
Yeah, Brady, Tom Brady.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
When you think of Nick Saban's run at Alabama, revered
greatest coach in the history at college football, who do
you think of first? When I say Alabama Saban, Nick Saban,
you see, your legend status is not really available in
the NFL. I think they view that as more career things.
Even with Andy Reid. Andy Reid when he finally retires, Yes,
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he's going to be in the Hall of Fame. They
might even put a statue of him up outside of Arrowhead.
What are people gonna say, though, well, he didn't win
it without Patrick Mahomes. You see, at college you can
be a legend. If Ryan Day wins multiple championships at
Ohio State for the rest of his life and beyond
into the ages, he will always go down with Woody
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Hayes as the only two guys that won multiple championships
at Ohio State. Oh think about this, Think about how
many great players U c l A had.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
It's the John Wooden era. That's right, That's exactly right.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
Al Thinder and Bill Walton and like two of the
two maybe the two best college players ever. Look at
Shryzhevsky and Duke. I was just gonna say, coach j Duke.
And so it comes down to the two eyes. Influence
over kids and immortality that those are two things that
you don't get.
Speaker 4 (22:00):
At the NFL level. Now, they might leave, but it
would be for comfort. It would be for Josh Allen.
That's more comfortable, you know, that's more stable. I don't
have to deal with all of this stuff. But if
you want influence and you want immortality, you stay in college.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
I mean I think Yukon basketball. I think Jim Calhoun
and Hurley. There you go, and they've had sixty NBA players.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
Maybe.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
Yeah, good stuff, Klatt, what to finish strong? I really
appreciate that. I didn't like your quarterback take, but everything
else was pretty good.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
I love it. I love it. Great to see you,
my man. Have a good day, all right, Joel. Klatt's
doing the Penn State Ohio State game this weekend. No,
that's a good point.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
You can affect people's lives and you're you know, you're
more the legend.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
I like it.
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Speaker 8 (24:00):
All right, let's start with George Pickens. Colin really savvy.
Moved by Jerry Jones to bring on Pickens, kind of
a by lo from Pittsburgh. But guess what, it's gone amazing.
He hasn't been a locker room distraction, but.
Speaker 5 (24:12):
Colin, hey, they got to pay him if they want
to keep him.
Speaker 8 (24:16):
And interestingly, as much as Jerry Jones has talked about
this team, reports indicate that Dallas has yet to engage
with Pickens's reps on an extension talk. I listen if
you don't want to go overboard. It's obviously mid season.
Pickens is cooking. I called the Cowboys the Bengals of
the NFC.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
That's starting to look true.
Speaker 8 (24:38):
Right you get Burrow, T Higgins and Chase and now
you got Dak, Pickens and Lamb.
Speaker 5 (24:43):
I don't know what Jerry does here. This is not
an easy decision.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
Well, it's got a little Austin Reeves feel to it.
Is that Austin Reeves offers duplication on things you already
have from people that do it better. Luke is better
with the ball in his hands than Austin Reeves. Lebron's
better in the ball in his hands than Austin Reeves.
Do I need a third guy? Ceed Lamb is better
at separating the George Pickens. Ceedee Lamb is better deep
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than George Pickens. Why do I need duplication? I would
rather move it. And because he's gonna have a big
year with this offense, and Dak he's gonna have a
nice year. Can I get a third or fourth round
back for him? He's been a good guy, he's been
a good teammate. He's been wildly productive. I'm not saying
you don't sign him. I'm saying I always think I
want to pay. Here's the way I would look at it,
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j MC. I want to pay different skill sets in
the NFL. I want to pay a quarterback who distributes
the ball. I want to pay a left tackle who
protects the insurance policy for the quarterback. I want to
pay somebody big money who can catch the ball and
run with it. I want to pay somebody who can
attack the quarterback. I want to pay somebody who can
cover the best weapon. I get really uncomfortable if I
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was a GM paying two people who do the same thing.
Speaker 8 (25:58):
Well, so the RAM went out and got Davante Adams
and we basically crowned them. Oh my gosh, they're amazing.
They have Davante and Puka. I would say, pick Lamb.
I have to slow down. They're not paying Pooka. He's
a fifth round pick.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
There By the time they pay Puka, Devonte's gone. They're
not paying two people.
Speaker 5 (26:17):
Financially, you're invested.
Speaker 8 (26:18):
You're two over indexed into some wide receivers.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
What I'm saying is yes, because Ceiny Lamb's a one
I can go and they've got what they What I
would say is, in this draft, I would draft another receiver.
They need an edge rusher in a corner. Then I
would draft a receiver or a tight end. You can
get that for much less pay. So it's like the Lakers.
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They're over indexing on guys that can score with a
ball in their hands. They're under indexing on rim protection
and wing athleticism. So when you're when you're talking about
paying big money, I want a team that has everything.
But when you're talking big money, the Chiefs do it right.
Travis gets it, Mahomes get it. They even let Joe
Tony go, and then Chris Jones gets it.
Speaker 5 (27:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
So and and basically they would not pay Tyreek Hill
because their take goes we already got one guy that
gives us ten target to nine catches.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
That's Kelsey any blocks.
Speaker 8 (27:17):
Okay, so let me ask you, So a lot of
the basic shows out there are gonna be like Jack's
playing like an MVP. Well, I could argue Dak is
the same guy he's always been. What has changed is
he now has Pickens and Lamb and that is manipulating
the defense.
Speaker 5 (27:31):
I mean, you could pick your poison here, Colin.
Speaker 8 (27:33):
If you're gonna leave Pickens one on one on the outside,
he's gonna win ninety percent of those battles. He's huge,
he's got great hands, great catch radius. And then you
know what, are you gonna leave Lamb open one on one?
He's gonna cook most of the DB's in this league.
So I would say Dak looks like an MVP candidate
because of the addition of Pickens. I don't think it's Shottenheimer.
I think it's probably Pickens and Lamb.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
Would you agree, well, I think the value to Pickens,
and it's a good argument, is that with him and
CD both on the field, you can't cheat. Yeah, on
the run game, and that's why Javonte one game is
exploding for Dallas. I like Javonte Williams, But the reality is,
when CD is out, you can cheat a little. When
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CD and Pickens are together, you can't cheat at all.
I think these are healthy debates. I mean the Bengals,
I mean the Bengals played Jamar Chase and the T
Higgins and the Joe Burrow And why is their defense
so bad? Because they don't there. I just think you
have to be very, very careful. I mean either Rams
moved off Cooper, they'll move off Devontae Adams. Not this year,
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maybe not next year, but the year after. So you
have to be careful about paying the same position twice.
Speaker 8 (28:41):
So let's say Jerry watch this segment. Hey guys, guys,
so what do we do with Pickens? I would say,
Jay and C Consultings say, you know what your offense
is set if you pay Pickens Colin the offensive line's
banged up, but everybody should return.
Speaker 5 (28:52):
Tight end you're good, running back, you're good.
Speaker 8 (28:54):
You could go draft five or six defensive players and
maybe you get three starters, and all.
Speaker 5 (28:58):
Of a sudden, I think the was if they keep
Pickens can turn this around kind of quickly.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
Well, ask yourself this, when when Ceedee Lamb was out,
Dak had ten touchdowns and no interceptions and that's Ceedee Lamb. Yeah,
So George Pickens, do you think it's a surprise that
he's much better with a better quarterback in Dak than he.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
Was in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
My take is George Pickens is not Jamar Chase or
justin Jefferson, where he excels with anybody. He got frustrated
in Pittsburgh. The reason Pickens is so good as Dak
the quarterback makes the receiver. The receiver doesn't make the quarterback.
Go to Larry Fitzgerald's career, he was always really good.
But when he had Carson Palmer or he has his
Kurt Warner, he has his best quarterbacks. I bet if
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you go to Larry Fitzgerald's numbers, they were better than
the backups.
Speaker 8 (29:50):
So what if I yeah, what if I told you
that Pickens was the old Navy to Jamar Chase's J
Crew will give you eighty percent of the quality at
much cheaper cost. Because I think Pickens is probably like
a top twelve receiver.
Speaker 5 (30:04):
In the league. Colin, He's not that far off fifteen.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
I mean, yeah, I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
I like him.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
I'm not gonnaire T Higgins, T Higgins. I like T's temperament.
Speaker 8 (30:17):
Okay, all right, let's move on Minnesota Vikings, Colin. They
are starting J. J. McCarthy this week. He's very, you know,
injury prone. I guess he's played in two games in
two seasons. Well, he's matching up with former Michigan teammate
Aiden Hutchison, and they go back aways.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
It'll be exciting.
Speaker 9 (30:37):
You know, we have a great relationship and I got
probably got to shot him at Texas this week at
some point, letting him know. And no, I'm super excited.
He's a great competitor, great player, and I'm looking forward
to now. You know, me and JJ will get our
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first matchup if you want to call it that, but no,
it's gonna be It's gonna be fun. I'm sure we'll
laugh a little bit out there, and yeah, it'll be great.
Speaker 5 (31:10):
Yeah, I eight and a half. It feels like Lions
are passed, right, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
I mean if the Lions won thirty to seventeen, I
wouldn't be shocked. I feel the same way about Baltimore tomorrow.
If you told me Baltimore just came in and whacked Miami,
which I think they're gonna do. I mean, I looked
at the schedule this week and there were two underdogs.
I like one of them is the Commanders. It's another
heavy favorite weekend and trading deadline. Some of these bad
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teams are gonna be moving pieces. They're gonna get worse.
Speaker 8 (31:39):
Let me ask this, Darris, Christian Darris, how think Vikings
offensive line's been so hurt. I mean Wentz is dead.
I mean he's done for the season. I just I
don't know if they can hold up against Hutchinson. Because
that Lions front McNeil's back, they're pretty good. I think
I'm with you. I think I like the Lions. All right,
final story, let's pivot to the NBA. Colin, I told
you about the same. Well, Tyrese Maxie went off again
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last night. You were early on this guy. He put
up thirty nine points at tennis sist against the hapless
Wizards Philly four.
Speaker 5 (32:10):
And oh, Colin, keep.
Speaker 8 (32:12):
An eye on the Sixers. We don't have to talk
about Joel Embiide. We could just talk about Maxie and Edgecomb.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
Oh yo.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
What's happened is they are now driven by their back court.
Look at the scores, and Edgecomb and Tyrese Maxie have
one thing in common. They are first step demons. Those guys.
You don't even have to know NBA basketball. I've watched
the six Ers twice. Watch Edgecomb and Tyrese Maxi. They
beat everybody on the first step. They jump off the television.
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So the great thing for Darryl Moury is for years
you've kind of felt a little captive with Joel Embiid's help.
You like him, but it's like is he healthy now?
The Sixers are a back court first franchise and both
these guys are rockets. They are great first step attackers.
Speaker 8 (33:04):
Look at this Tyrese Maxie, it's only four games, leads
the NBA in scoring at thirty seven in a game.
Speaker 5 (33:10):
Colin, this is you know.
Speaker 8 (33:12):
One of the biggest things you could do come draft
time was hey, who was on Calipari didn't score a
lot on the Kentucky teams and then popped in the
NBA later and you just had to find a guard.
Tyrese Maxie was on those Kentucky teams, and he was
like Barry, He wasn't the superstar. He looks like a superstar.
John Caliparry held guys back in college.
Speaker 5 (33:31):
I remember you talked about.
Speaker 3 (33:32):
It a lot.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
Well, no, in fairness to Califari, five of them come on,
well no, but in fairness to Calipari, they're eighteen years
old and a lot of guys, I mean Sga. The
Clippers didn't even know Sga was going to be that good.
Like everybody knew Sga could play. He went to Kentucky
and Calipari doesn't recruit steps, but some guys mature. I mean,
I remember Kevin Knox at Kentucky. I'm like, that guy
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is gonna be great. He topped out early, SGA took
years to develop. So I'm not gonna beat up on
Calipari a lot of his guys. We're just when guys
go one and done, you don't get the best of them.
Speaker 3 (34:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (34:04):
Yeah, but if Tyre's maxew went twenty first in the draft,
if I name some of these guards went ahead of him,
you would vomit in your mouth.
Speaker 5 (34:10):
I mean, the sixer's got a massive steal.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
Don't think get McCain back next month.
Speaker 8 (34:16):
Caine's coming back. Paul George, you know PG thirteen. I
think Podcast P whatever we're calling him now, he's back, by.
Speaker 5 (34:22):
The way, Podcast P. Have you listened to his podcast?
Speaker 8 (34:25):
Pall? How is it?
Speaker 3 (34:25):
How is it good?
Speaker 2 (34:26):
Good?
Speaker 3 (34:26):
I don't know. Shmack with the news, Well that's.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
The news, and thanks for stopping by the Heard Line News.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
You know, it is funny talking to Joel Klatt all
these colleges. How are we gonna pay anybody with nil?
We don't have any money here. Yeah, we're gonna write
a sixty million dollar check for James Franklin, fifty five
for Brian Kelly. They always have money. It's like political parties.
They're constantly sending you stuff. Oh man, we need money.
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They always got money. Universities, Oh, whereas are real cutbacks?
Have you see the endowments of Ivy League schools? They've
always got cash.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
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Speaker 2 (35:36):
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Speaker 1 (35:38):
J Mack is He's mad because Michael Jordan and now
Charles Barkley both criticize modern players for not playing. Jordan
and Barkley are not criticizing players for their style. They're
criticizing them because they're a little soft. The media doesn't
hold them accountable. The NBA media wants access over clicks.
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They want access, and so Michael Jordan came out and
basically said load management is nonsense. Now, it started with
Greg Popovich. For the record, it did start with him.
And I've said I'll always defend young seven footers and
old stars taken ten games off. I'll always defend that.
But if you're in, like you're SGA right now, and
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he is, he's playing most of the international guys, SGA,
He's playing all the games. So I think load management
drives me crazy. But if you took out like two guys,
take out Kawhi Leonard, like, just take Kawhi out, we
wouldn't talk about it nearly as much. Like Ant plays,
Tatum plays, SGA plays.
Speaker 5 (36:39):
All the guys in the twenties they play all the time.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
That's what I'm saying. So load management is, you know,
it's kind of gone. It's a little overwrought that people
are going crazy. The big guys who get banged up,
they're like, hey, my body's not built for it. I
will defend those guys, and the old lebron guys all defend.
But I think you know, we do. The media does this.
The political media does it all the time. It's the
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end of times. Load management drives me nuts. But if
you took just Ko Why out, it wouldn't feel quite
as bad percent.
Speaker 5 (37:12):
By the way, NFL media does not do this.
Speaker 8 (37:14):
You know, all they're doing is celebrating Daniel Jones and
celebrating the Colts greatness and Baker Mayfield teams that they
don't usually pomp up. I don't NBA media like Michael
Jordan and NBC get in bed with the NBA and
now we're blasting load management.
Speaker 5 (37:27):
Of all the things.
Speaker 8 (37:28):
To talk about. In week two, Jordan takes this, Oh,
let me take shots at the car at the modern
era like this. Well, I'll hold back before I say
some curse words. It's just frustrated to see Jordan do that,
like talk about all the good stuff happening.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
Well, we are in the media. As I've said before,
the media talks about plane crashes, not plane landing. You
don't send a reporter to an airport in Indianapolis and
say one hundred and forty flights came in today, all
landed perfectly. That's not news, right, So there are things
in the media to go say, what a great bunch
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of players is not news. Michael Jordan's saying, I think
load management's nonsense makes news and Charles Barkley makes news.
By the way, I never have a problem with ex
athletes coming in. In fact, the opposite is usually true.
Ex athletes pander to their buddies who play. I like
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that Jordan and Barkley are willing to go this part.
Speaker 3 (38:30):
I don't like that.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
That's very rare, even in the NFL, which has got
a lot of great analysts. You know somebody that used
to work at Fox now at the other place he
could he's pretty hard on NFL players, and he's viewed
as the one analyst that's really really hard on players.
Speaker 8 (38:46):
I don't know who that is, but hey, if you
want to pivot from NBA, can I just touch on
something Klatt said real quick? So he said that the
LSU job is definitely better than Penn State Colin. I
just I'm gonna put this out there. If you look
at the current rankings, there's eight SEC teams in the
top twenty. Go look at the LSU schedule the next
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couple of years. It's like so difficult to win. I
know there's so many good players in that region. I
know there's a lot of money. I'm just telling you
if you want to coach college football win, you would
take the Penn State job over LSU. There's so many
good players in Pennsylvania and you're not losing them to
pit We're not going to Temple. You're getting them at
Penn State. I think there's a great opportunity there. If
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I were if you offered me LSU and the money
was similar, I'm taking Penn State in a heartbeat.
Speaker 1 (39:33):
Sorry, yeah, I mean, listen, there's a lot of value, like,
for instance, if I when I decided to move mostly
from LA to Chicago and drove the decision. So I
mean seriously, so a lot of it is are my
kids in school? It's not all money. If you're being
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let's say Penn State offers ten million, LSU twelve, So
my thing is where are my kids in how old
are my kids? Are we empty nesters? Then I'll just
go for the money. If we're not, where are my
kids in school? Does my wife have a very strong
social network that she doesn't want to leave?
Speaker 3 (40:10):
Because when you're.
Speaker 1 (40:11):
Getting offered those big jobs, I mean you can win
a lot of jobs at a lot of games. At
Penn State, I think LS used the better job in
terms of talent. I mean less Miles won of Natty
save in winn Naty at Orizearon won of Naty. That's
three guys. So Penn State doesn't have that resume. But again,
I think sometimes we do a bad job. We think
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it's all about the money. I always said Texas is
a great job. Part of it is Austin, Texas. By
college standards, it's a top seven or eight college town.
Ann Arbor's a great college town. Athens, Georgie. I'd much
rather live in Athens than Tuscaloosa. I think Athens is
a great It's a great college town. I mean University
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of Washington. You're go to live in a big city.
Jean's a good college town. There's a lot of places
that I don't even want to get a flat tire
in that have college football programs, right, And I admit
I've never been to Happy Valley.
Speaker 5 (41:09):
You've been, I haven't been there. I haven't been to.
Speaker 8 (41:11):
Baton Rouge except when we went to the Super Bowl.
So I don't know the college towns as well. But
you know, I had Tim Brando on my podcast, great announcer,
I know you know him. Yeah, he does not think
Lane Kiffin is going to be leaving Old Miss. Apparently
Ole Miss has a lot of money. You know they'll
bill just change you for Lane Kiffins.
Speaker 1 (41:28):
My question is this, if you can make whatever Lane
makes nine million at Old Miss, and you can make
eleven five, but you have to start over at LSU
with enormous pressure.
Speaker 5 (41:41):
I nat your pressure.
Speaker 3 (41:42):
I would stay.
Speaker 1 (41:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (41:43):
By the way, floridigators, there's a lot of pressure at
that job too, because they feel like they're falling behind
a little bit. Again, some people want pressure. I like
to joke the Stephen Jackson line, I make love to pressure.
But I'm taking the Penn State job over the LSU job.
And I know there's a lot of fertile ground for
app in the LSU area, but Collin Penn State is
not Choppliver.
Speaker 5 (42:03):
I'm telling you that schedule, it is winnable. You win
nine games next year.
Speaker 3 (42:06):
And the Nittany Lion in free popcorn.
Speaker 1 (42:10):
The Oregon job, because of Phil Knight's become a great job,
unbelievable facilities. Now the state has no players in it,
so you have to get enough plane to go get players.
But you know Mark Fus proven that at Gonzaga. Now
you got to get more football than basketball players. But
you can win anywhere if you have the right system,
the right assistance, the right capital. So I just think
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if I'm winning ten and getting into the playoff, it'll
miss I'm staying. I'm probably I'm probably staying.
Speaker 3 (42:42):
Power three coming up.
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Here we go. It's Wednesday. It's our two. Joel Clatton
five minutes. He's got Ohio State, Penn State.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
This weekend.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
It is The Herd live in Chicago. So on Tuesdays,
I do Hurd hierarchy. One of the reasons I've had
the Kansas City Chiefs number one for a month in
Herd hierarchy is the best way I would explain how
I view the Kansas City Chiefs is the same way
(00:57):
I view the company Apple. I don't always love the
stock price, but I trust the leadership and like the company,
don't always love the stock price. Not every product works.
And I'm looking at Kansas City this morning. Their last
time they won a Super Bowl, they averaged twenty two
(01:19):
points a game. This year they're averaging twenty six. And
Apple or the Chiefs ability to fix problems quickly. Like
their run game early this year was awful. Oh, I
watched that last week. Pretty good. Their O line lost
Joe Tooney was not good early. It's ranked fourth by
(01:40):
PFF today. Their wide receiver group six weeks ago kind
of a mess. Now I think it's the deepest in
the sport. I've said this about the Rams and McVeigh.
They just fixed stuff fast. The Kansas City Chiefs. I
don't always love the stock price or the products. Trust
the management. I trust the company. Chicago Bears Ben Johnson.
(02:04):
Last year Bears were dead last in offense. Right now
they're top twelve, and we still think they're inconsistent quarterback.
So I know they have the right coach. So everybody
has dips. It could be Meta, it could be Microsoft,
it could be the Kansas City Chiefs.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
Say this for Sean Payton rebuilt them.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Sean Payton, remember the Rams a couple of years ago.
Sean Payton rebuilt with the dead cap money of Russell Wilson.
They're still paying. Rebuilt them in a year, still paying
dead cap money. Kyle Shanan, to his credit, using a
backup quarterback. Eight high end starters gone still viable, still
in the playoff picture. I think it's mostly offensive guys.
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I always say this, I can always tell when a
guy doesn't have real confidence. I mean, you can go
to the gym, have the big chest, you're going to
have the big truck. Well, when a guy is rich
and doesn't like change, he doesn't trust himself, forget what
he's projecting out. He didn't trust himself. Okay, Andy Reid
(03:10):
trusts himself. Sean McVeigh, Kyle Shanahan, Sean Payton, they rebuild
all the time, they move off stuff all the time,
and it's not working. That's the ultimate confidence it. They
just had to get that. They had to get Rashid
Rice back. I mean they still don't have their left
tackle O lines ranked fourth. If you really do trust yourself,
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you're okay to rebuild stuff because you know you may miss,
but you're more likely to hit. It's like when Sean
Payton was calling out Russell Wilson. He didn't have Bonnicks yet,
but he knew it was a big quarterback draft coming up,
and he knew he was going to get one of
those quarterbacks. And he got the one he liked and
would turn it around. And he did, and he made
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the playoffs in a division with Herbert and Mahomes. And
with that, Joel Clatt, the voice of college football, is
now joining us. He's got Penn State at Ohio State
this weekend. So you know these universities, they always squawk
about their running out of money.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
Boy, the nil. How are we gonna make the nil work?
Speaker 1 (04:14):
And then they buy out James Franklin and Brian Kelly
at LSU, So he got plenty of money. We were
talking about this. So Florida's got an opening, LSU's got
an opening, Penn State's got an opening. Now I think
a lot of it. Brian Kelly always felt Midwest to me,
not Southern. I didn't love the fit. But Urban Meyer
went down and won Natty's at Florida, and he's more Midwest.
(04:38):
If you said there was a the hottest coach in
the country, LSU, Florida, Penn State, Is there a best
job of those three?
Speaker 3 (04:47):
Yeah? I think LSU is and Colin.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
I would go a step further and say I think
LSU is a top three job.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
In the entire sport.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
I think only Texas and maybe all Ohio State are
better than LSU. I think LSU is a better job
than BAMA. I think it's arguable between LSU and Georgia,
They've got incredible resources. The recruiting pipeline is right there.
You're in the middle of everything in terms of recruiting.
They have tradition, guys can win national championship there. So
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it comes down to fit. I mean, why does Edozeron
fit at LSU and not Brian Kelly. I think it's
what you were just talking about about being rigid. You know,
ed Ojeron, you know, went down there and he was
flexible and did some things that maybe he was uncomfortable with,
and all of a sudden they turned into the best
offense in the history of college football in twenty nineteen
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with Joe Burrow and Brian Kelly. I mean, it was
the moment he stepped onto that basketball court and gave
the fake Southern accent. I couldn't unsee that or unhear that.
So every time I saw him in an LSU shirt
or hat, I couldn't unhear the fake accent. It was
never a good fit and the authentic his city was
never really there at LSU. Now starting to come out,
(06:03):
a lot of the former players are chirping on social
media and you're trying to decipher what that is and
peek under the hood a little bit. But fit is
very important. Back to your question about like best jobs,
I do think that LSU is the best one of
this cycle and Colin. I would say that these three
with Florida and Penn State, I think are three of
the top ten jobs in all of college football. And
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I can't remember. Maybe I'm just being recency biased here.
I can't remember a time when we had this level
of openings, in particular in October.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
That's never happened.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
We can talk about the timing of these firings as well,
but these are massive jobs that are all looking for
like the A list guy, and I would actually make
an argument that the talent pool is more thin than
it's ever been. You know, this is going to produce
a bit of an arms race. Lane Kiffin likely will
end up being the highest paid coach in college football
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because of this. Dan Lanning will likely end up being
a fifteen million dollars or a year coach because of this,
whether they stay in their respective spots or move. I
think LSU is going to call Urban and Nick Saban
because why wouldn't you I think they're going to call
Dan Lanning and they're going to offer him the moon.
LSU has a lot of money. This is what people,
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I don't think understand. It's a little bit more quiet
than other places around the country, but they've got those
billionaires down there, trust me, and they've got a lot
of resources and money will not be the reason that
they miss on a coach here. But what they should
be thinking about is what we were just talking about,
which is fit. Who's the best fit for LSU, because
if you get the fit right, that's a place that
can win the national championship.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
So two games this weekend are fascinating. If UFC loses
it in Nebraska and Vanderbilt beats Texas, Sark and Lincoln.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
Riley are going to get major heat.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Now, Sark's got a bit of a pass because arch
Manning hurt may not play right. I saw some Sark
rumors come out about the NFL. I had said this
two months ago, like, I think he's the best candidate
out there from the college game is Sark. But I
think Texas is arguably the best job. So I would
stay in Austin. But just let's just look ahead, and
(08:06):
I know I always talk to USC but last time
you were on, you said it's better now, and I said, okay,
the offense was good four years ago. The offense was
smart and clever, and quarterback play was good. They were
very good at home four years ago, and they can't
win games on the road, and they're a much better program.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
That's so surface, so certain. Maybe I'm surface, I'm in television.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Maybe just the makeup in the Maybe if they lose
to Nebraska, would.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
You acknowledge is it's not better than three years ago? Yes?
Speaker 4 (08:39):
Yeah, this is a great litmus test of I guess
our positions on this. You talked about like the offense
being clever and creative, that's because they had to be
because they weren't balanced. Now they're balanced and against the
teams that they can retain that balance, they are very
good now. Was Illinois good matchup for them?
Speaker 5 (09:01):
No?
Speaker 3 (09:01):
And Notre Dame.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
No.
Speaker 4 (09:02):
And that's where they need to continue to get better.
I believe they're on the trajectory towards getting better in
those areas, to be better at the line of scrimmage.
But but what's different now is that they will and
are committed to running the football and they should be
able to run it against Nebraska. Nebraska's ranked fifteenth in
the Big Ten. Stop in the run, and if you
allow Lincoln Riley and Jade Mayava to have a run game,
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they will pick you apart. This is why it's different
now and it's much more sustainable. The one worry would
be like, is there defense going to be able to
stop the run of Nebraska. I think Nebraska's okay running
the football. They'll certainly try to test the interior of
that defensive line. But this has much more sustainability, and
the trajectory for USC is a lot more positive now
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than it was even when they had Kayleb Williams, because
with Kayleb Williams, it was smoking mirrors Colin. It was
all surface, it was lipstick, it was vanity. Now there's
some substance there because of the balance that they play
with on the offensive side, and if they retain that
against Nebrassca, they'll win this weekend.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
There's there's not a doubt in my mind.
Speaker 4 (10:03):
In fact, I would take them and give the six
and a half because I don't think Nebraska stops the
run and there's no way that USC is going to
score under thirty five points if they're balanced. And if
you're telling me Dylan RelA is going to score thirty
or more points against USC, I would. I just don't
think that that's going to take place.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
So I watched last week.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
I watched Alabama and South Carolina play, and though it
was an a losing cause, I think I draft the
South Carolina quarterback first because I see juice. I've always
said that's about quarterback play. When I watch a college guy,
you got to give me one wow trait. I've got
to go wow.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
No, So South Carolina, right, you're wrong again, You're wrong again.
Ty Simpson has no juice. He's doing no juice. Watch it,
Watch his intermediate throws. Watch him control the game from
the pocket, Colin, Colin, he is just who wins Super Bowls.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
Guys that control through the game from the pocket control
the game. Now, you have to do those things first.
See this is this is and I bring this up
all the time, this is math. You gotta have algebra
one under your belt before you can go to algebra
two and then calculus and to all that. You got
to bake the cake first before you put frosting on it.
You want to go and you want to put the
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wedding topper on it and get all the frivolous frosting.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
On the cake. But you got to understand you've got
to make the cake first. And listen.
Speaker 4 (11:28):
Sellers is a terrific player and he'll certainly be thought
of highly in the NFL draft. I think he's going
to be a top ten pick. I'm not saying that
he's bad, but I'm just saying if you compare their games,
the game that Ty Simpson plays directly correlates to the
National Football League. He will go in and he will
have success. He is a bow Knicks or a Joe
Burrow style of guy that can go in there and
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make those throws right away with anticipation and accuracy. I
would also put another guy in there, Fernando Mendoza is
going to have a ton of success in the NFL
because of what he does from a foundational standpoint. His
accuracy is his anticipation, his intellect. Sellers is a wonderful player.
But you take a look around the NFL at all
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these places that draft traits at quarterback versus drafting quarterbacks,
and it never ends up well for them. They're turning
over offensive coordinators they're turning over head coaches. It never
really works. Maybe that guy will succeed down the road.
But to me, the first pick in the draft is
going to become a discussion between Mendoza at Indiana and
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Ty Simpson at Alabama. Sellers is wonderful, but he doesn't
control the game from the pocket like those two do.
If you look at the last you know, ever since
Tom Brady won his Super Bowl, you look at the
quarterbacks that win the Super Bowl, look at their college careers,
look at the style that they play, look at what
they do, their experience. They have over thirty starts combined.
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You know, I think the average number of starts for
the guys that have won Super Bowl since the early
two thousands is like twenty nine and a half is
the average number of starts in college. So you're looking
for an experienced guy you can go out there control
it from the pocket.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
So that that's what I would say about that.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
I mean, look at the trades. So you keep wanting
to draft Kayleb Williams and then now you bag on
Kayleb Williams and you're all over Ben Johnson.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
Well, no, I like Drake May and Jaden Daniels and
bow Nicks.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
I liked all of them. I thought all of those
guys could control the game from the pocket.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
I like Jayden daniels movement. I like bo Nick's athletic ability.
I actually like Drake May's athletic But those are pluses.
Those are like the that's the frosting. It's like, great,
Now you tell me you got a cake, and now
you can put some frosting on it. Now I'm in
Let me ask you, if Ohio State, so Michigan wins
the Natty, then Ohio State wins the Natty. If Ohio
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State and their defense is clearly the best in the country, yeah,
if Ohio State or Indiana wins the National Championship, what
does it say about the Big Ten CEC comp What
does it say?
Speaker 3 (14:02):
You know?
Speaker 4 (14:03):
I get I get this question a lot, and I
think that it boils down to this. I think at
at the top end, the Big Ten has the best
teams in college football. Indiana and Ohio State, you know,
kind of leading the track there as far as depth goes.
In the middle of the conference, you can make an
argument that the SEC is better. Now, I do think
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that some of those teams get overvalued as compared to
the top middle of the Big Ten. For instance, these
four teams I feel like do not get the love
that they should Iowa, Washington, Michigan, and USC. Those teams
are better than the AP would suggest. They're better than
the narrative would suggest, than the other network would certainly suggest.
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But the middle of the the SEC is is very
good and very deep, and it makes it incredibly difficult
to go out there and win every single week. What
I start getting frustrated with in this whole conversation is
that you go in overtime if your Texas against can
and Mississippi State, and you're sitting there and it's like,
hold on a second, you can't just tell me that
every win in that conference because it's on the road,
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is a quality win, and Texas all of a sudden
retains their position, even moves up in the apeople. Meanwhile,
Iowa is playing great football. They were just tied with
Indiana in the last two minutes of their game in
kinnick a couple of weeks ago, a few weeks ago,
thirteen thirteen, and Iowa can't get ranked. So that's where
the perception maybe is a little off. Top into the
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big ten, better middle of the sec better deeper, and
that's both of those things can be true.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
You know, it's interesting because of Phil Knight's money. I
wouldn't leave Oregon for LSU, even though I think LSU
is a better job. I wouldn't leave Ole Miss for Florida.
There's way more pressure, and I think you can have
a team that's almost as talent rich as long as
you have one or two nil guys. I wouldn't leave.
There's only about four programs. I would never leave Ohio State.
(15:58):
I would never leave. I don't think there's a better
job than Texas. If I got LSU rolling, I wouldn't leave.
Same with Georgia.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
Fama.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
What do you do if you're Lane Kiffin? Because you
could get Florida or LSU. What do you do if
you're Lane Kiffin. He's still young, he's reinvented himself. Ole
Miss is a very good job. It's not a great job,
it's a very good job. I would stay because I
think he's viewed as the architect of the next ten years,
and he's bounced around a lot, and I think for
his personality and what he's done, it's a neat fit.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
Would you leave? Would you leave if you were Lane?
Speaker 4 (16:38):
I mean, LSU is intriguing, right. I just think like
LSU is a step above. I think that you have
to overachieve at ole Miss. You've got to do things
that the program has never done to reach your ultimate
goals and to win at the top end of college
football in a lot of respects. You know, the best
years of ole Miss football at least in recent vintage
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or what we're seeing right now.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
And does he want better than that?
Speaker 4 (17:05):
You know, and go to LSU, and we know that
LSU can go and put together rosters year in and
year out that compete at the top end not only
the SEC, but also of the country and win a
national championship. I do think it comes down to resources.
And like I said, I think that LSU has top
two or three resources financially in college football. I know
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a couple of their boosters. They have deep, deep pockets,
and in this day and age, that's what you have
to have. That's why Dan Lanning loves Oregon that in
a few other things. I think Dan Lanning and his
family love Eugene. You know, Dan told me one time,
He's like, you know, what's kind of nice is I
can go to dinner in Eugene and you can't go
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to dinner. I mean that's something I know that resonates,
you know, calling with you is like the quality of
life in Eugene is very good. And it's not like
he's not able to build a team that can go
and perform at the top end college football, maybe even
win the national championship. Heck, they might win the national
championship this year. Yeah, I mean, we don't even you know,
we need to see how that team continues to develop
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and play in this month of November, although they're November
is going to be pretty difficult for them. So I
don't think Dan Lanning will leave, but I think Lane will.
I think Lane is is. If I had to bet
Lane Kiffin is your next coach at LSU, Wow, that's powerful.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
That'd be an interesting watch, wouldn'mit? It would be do
you say, hey, let me throw this out there. I
know it's just a conjecture. I think Sark works in
the NFL. I think he does.
Speaker 4 (18:37):
Yeah, so you said, listen, Obviously he's coached there and
done it successfully. When he was a coordinator at Atlanta,
he was great. Ryan Day would be another guy has
as NFL background. Remember he was on a couple of
Chips staffs at San Francisco and in Philadelphia.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
How about this argument that Texas is a great job,
but the best jobs in the world. Texas is arguably
the best colleg job, but the best jobs in the
world at football are NFL jobs. When you have solid
ownership and a star quarterback, your asist, your assistance, don't
leave because NFL pays more and the pensions are great
for coaches, so you can maintain a staff. You may lose,
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you know, McVeigh, may lose an offensive guy once in
a while, but you can maintain a lot of your staff.
And if you've got a Bob Kraft, if you've got
a cron key, or you've got solid ownership Steve Bushetti,
You're not gonna have a lot of turnover. I mean,
I could see Sark going and just saying, if you
you know, like Hardball left for Herbert, that was a
smart move. I could see Sark going if they blew
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out Sean McDermott loses first round of the playoffs, I
would leave Texas for Buffalo and Josh Allen, Right, I.
Speaker 4 (19:46):
Mean, I understand I understand that it's certainly maybe more attractive,
more comfortable. To your point, it's not going to be
a money issue. I will say there's two things, and
I understand I live in the college football space, but
there's two things specifically that are different at the college
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level that are not an option at the NFL level,
not an option. Number one is that you could impact
these kids' lives to a greater degree. Sure, so you
can influence these guys, and if that's something that drives
you and you're passionate about, then college is the.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
Place for you. I think that you would agree with that. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (20:28):
The next thing is is that in college you are
the quarterback. Bill Belichick is revered and considered one of
the great coaches in the history of the NFL. And
yet when we think about the Patriots in their run,
who do we bring up first?
Speaker 3 (20:45):
Yeah, Brady, Tom Brady.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
When you think of Nick Saban's run at Alabama, revered
greatest coach in the history at college football, who do
you think of first? When I say Alabama Saban, Nick Saban,
you see, your legend status is not really available in
the NFL. I think they view that as more career things.
Even with Andy Reid. Andy Reid when he finally retires, Yes,
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he's going to be in the Hall of Fame. They
might even put a statue of him up outside of Arrowhead.
What are people gonna say, though, well, he didn't win
it without Patrick Mahomes. You see, at college you can
be a legend. If Ryan Day wins multiple championships at
Ohio State for the rest of his life and beyond
into the ages, he will always go down with Woody
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Hayes as the only two guys that won multiple championships
at Ohio State. Oh think about this, Think about how
many great players U c l A had.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
It's the John Wooden era. That's right, That's exactly right.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
Al Thinder and Bill Walton and like two of the
two maybe the two best college players ever. Look at
Shryzhevsky and Duke. I was just gonna say, coach j Duke.
And so it comes down to the two eyes. Influence
over kids and immortality that those are two things that
you don't get.
Speaker 4 (22:00):
At the NFL level. Now, they might leave, but it
would be for comfort. It would be for Josh Allen.
That's more comfortable, you know, that's more stable. I don't
have to deal with all of this stuff. But if
you want influence and you want immortality, you stay in college.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
I mean I think Yukon basketball. I think Jim Calhoun
and Hurley. There you go, and they've had sixty NBA players.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
Maybe.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
Yeah, good stuff, Klatt, what to finish strong? I really
appreciate that. I didn't like your quarterback take, but everything
else was pretty good.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
I love it. I love it. Great to see you,
my man. Have a good day, all right, Joel. Klatt's
doing the Penn State Ohio State game this weekend. No,
that's a good point.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
You can affect people's lives and you're you know, you're
more the legend.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
I like it.
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Speaker 8 (24:00):
All right, let's start with George Pickens. Colin really savvy.
Moved by Jerry Jones to bring on Pickens, kind of
a by lo from Pittsburgh. But guess what, it's gone amazing.
He hasn't been a locker room distraction, but.
Speaker 5 (24:12):
Colin, hey, they got to pay him if they want
to keep him.
Speaker 8 (24:16):
And interestingly, as much as Jerry Jones has talked about
this team, reports indicate that Dallas has yet to engage
with Pickens's reps on an extension talk. I listen if
you don't want to go overboard. It's obviously mid season.
Pickens is cooking. I called the Cowboys the Bengals of
the NFC.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
That's starting to look true.
Speaker 8 (24:38):
Right you get Burrow, T Higgins and Chase and now
you got Dak, Pickens and Lamb.
Speaker 5 (24:43):
I don't know what Jerry does here. This is not
an easy decision.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
Well, it's got a little Austin Reeves feel to it.
Is that Austin Reeves offers duplication on things you already
have from people that do it better. Luke is better
with the ball in his hands than Austin Reeves. Lebron's
better in the ball in his hands than Austin Reeves.
Do I need a third guy? Ceed Lamb is better
at separating the George Pickens. Ceedee Lamb is better deep
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than George Pickens. Why do I need duplication? I would
rather move it. And because he's gonna have a big
year with this offense, and Dak he's gonna have a
nice year. Can I get a third or fourth round
back for him? He's been a good guy, he's been
a good teammate. He's been wildly productive. I'm not saying
you don't sign him. I'm saying I always think I
want to pay. Here's the way I would look at it,
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j MC. I want to pay different skill sets in
the NFL. I want to pay a quarterback who distributes
the ball. I want to pay a left tackle who
protects the insurance policy for the quarterback. I want to
pay somebody big money who can catch the ball and
run with it. I want to pay somebody who can
attack the quarterback. I want to pay somebody who can
cover the best weapon. I get really uncomfortable if I
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was a GM paying two people who do the same thing.
Speaker 8 (25:58):
Well, so the RAM went out and got Davante Adams
and we basically crowned them. Oh my gosh, they're amazing.
They have Davante and Puka. I would say, pick Lamb.
I have to slow down. They're not paying Pooka. He's
a fifth round pick.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
There By the time they pay Puka, Devonte's gone. They're
not paying two people.
Speaker 5 (26:17):
Financially, you're invested.
Speaker 8 (26:18):
You're two over indexed into some wide receivers.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
What I'm saying is yes, because Ceiny Lamb's a one
I can go and they've got what they What I
would say is, in this draft, I would draft another receiver.
They need an edge rusher in a corner. Then I
would draft a receiver or a tight end. You can
get that for much less pay. So it's like the Lakers.
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They're over indexing on guys that can score with a
ball in their hands. They're under indexing on rim protection
and wing athleticism. So when you're when you're talking about
paying big money, I want a team that has everything.
But when you're talking big money, the Chiefs do it right.
Travis gets it, Mahomes get it. They even let Joe
Tony go, and then Chris Jones gets it.
Speaker 5 (27:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
So and and basically they would not pay Tyreek Hill
because their take goes we already got one guy that
gives us ten target to nine catches.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
That's Kelsey any blocks.
Speaker 8 (27:17):
Okay, so let me ask you, So a lot of
the basic shows out there are gonna be like Jack's
playing like an MVP. Well, I could argue Dak is
the same guy he's always been. What has changed is
he now has Pickens and Lamb and that is manipulating
the defense.
Speaker 5 (27:31):
I mean, you could pick your poison here, Colin.
Speaker 8 (27:33):
If you're gonna leave Pickens one on one on the outside,
he's gonna win ninety percent of those battles. He's huge,
he's got great hands, great catch radius. And then you
know what, are you gonna leave Lamb open one on one?
He's gonna cook most of the DB's in this league.
So I would say Dak looks like an MVP candidate
because of the addition of Pickens. I don't think it's Shottenheimer.
I think it's probably Pickens and Lamb.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
Would you agree, well, I think the value to Pickens,
and it's a good argument, is that with him and
CD both on the field, you can't cheat. Yeah, on
the run game, and that's why Javonte one game is
exploding for Dallas. I like Javonte Williams, But the reality is,
when CD is out, you can cheat a little. When
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CD and Pickens are together, you can't cheat at all.
I think these are healthy debates. I mean the Bengals,
I mean the Bengals played Jamar Chase and the T
Higgins and the Joe Burrow And why is their defense
so bad? Because they don't there. I just think you
have to be very, very careful. I mean either Rams
moved off Cooper, they'll move off Devontae Adams. Not this year,
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maybe not next year, but the year after. So you
have to be careful about paying the same position twice.
Speaker 8 (28:41):
So let's say Jerry watch this segment. Hey guys, guys,
so what do we do with Pickens? I would say,
Jay and C Consultings say, you know what your offense
is set if you pay Pickens Colin the offensive line's
banged up, but everybody should return.
Speaker 5 (28:52):
Tight end you're good, running back, you're good.
Speaker 8 (28:54):
You could go draft five or six defensive players and
maybe you get three starters, and all.
Speaker 5 (28:58):
Of a sudden, I think the was if they keep
Pickens can turn this around kind of quickly.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
Well, ask yourself this, when when Ceedee Lamb was out,
Dak had ten touchdowns and no interceptions and that's Ceedee Lamb. Yeah,
So George Pickens, do you think it's a surprise that
he's much better with a better quarterback in Dak than he.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
Was in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
My take is George Pickens is not Jamar Chase or
justin Jefferson, where he excels with anybody. He got frustrated
in Pittsburgh. The reason Pickens is so good as Dak
the quarterback makes the receiver. The receiver doesn't make the quarterback.
Go to Larry Fitzgerald's career, he was always really good.
But when he had Carson Palmer or he has his
Kurt Warner, he has his best quarterbacks. I bet if
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you go to Larry Fitzgerald's numbers, they were better than
the backups.
Speaker 8 (29:50):
So what if I yeah, what if I told you
that Pickens was the old Navy to Jamar Chase's J
Crew will give you eighty percent of the quality at
much cheaper cost. Because I think Pickens is probably like
a top twelve receiver.
Speaker 5 (30:04):
In the league. Colin, He's not that far off fifteen.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
I mean, yeah, I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
I like him.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
I'm not gonnaire T Higgins, T Higgins. I like T's temperament.
Speaker 8 (30:17):
Okay, all right, let's move on Minnesota Vikings, Colin. They
are starting J. J. McCarthy this week. He's very, you know,
injury prone. I guess he's played in two games in
two seasons. Well, he's matching up with former Michigan teammate
Aiden Hutchison, and they go back aways.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
It'll be exciting.
Speaker 9 (30:37):
You know, we have a great relationship and I got
probably got to shot him at Texas this week at
some point, letting him know. And no, I'm super excited.
He's a great competitor, great player, and I'm looking forward
to now. You know, me and JJ will get our
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first matchup if you want to call it that, but no,
it's gonna be It's gonna be fun. I'm sure we'll
laugh a little bit out there, and yeah, it'll be great.
Speaker 5 (31:10):
Yeah, I eight and a half. It feels like Lions
are passed, right, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
I mean if the Lions won thirty to seventeen, I
wouldn't be shocked. I feel the same way about Baltimore tomorrow.
If you told me Baltimore just came in and whacked Miami,
which I think they're gonna do. I mean, I looked
at the schedule this week and there were two underdogs.
I like one of them is the Commanders. It's another
heavy favorite weekend and trading deadline. Some of these bad
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teams are gonna be moving pieces. They're gonna get worse.
Speaker 8 (31:39):
Let me ask this, Darris, Christian Darris, how think Vikings
offensive line's been so hurt. I mean Wentz is dead.
I mean he's done for the season. I just I
don't know if they can hold up against Hutchinson. Because
that Lions front McNeil's back, they're pretty good. I think
I'm with you. I think I like the Lions. All right,
final story, let's pivot to the NBA. Colin, I told
you about the same. Well, Tyrese Maxie went off again
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last night. You were early on this guy. He put
up thirty nine points at tennis sist against the hapless
Wizards Philly four.
Speaker 5 (32:10):
And oh, Colin, keep.
Speaker 8 (32:12):
An eye on the Sixers. We don't have to talk
about Joel Embiide. We could just talk about Maxie and Edgecomb.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
Oh yo.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
What's happened is they are now driven by their back court.
Look at the scores, and Edgecomb and Tyrese Maxie have
one thing in common. They are first step demons. Those guys.
You don't even have to know NBA basketball. I've watched
the six Ers twice. Watch Edgecomb and Tyrese Maxi. They
beat everybody on the first step. They jump off the television.
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So the great thing for Darryl Moury is for years
you've kind of felt a little captive with Joel Embiid's help.
You like him, but it's like is he healthy now?
The Sixers are a back court first franchise and both
these guys are rockets. They are great first step attackers.
Speaker 8 (33:04):
Look at this Tyrese Maxie, it's only four games, leads
the NBA in scoring at thirty seven in a game.
Speaker 5 (33:10):
Colin, this is you know.
Speaker 8 (33:12):
One of the biggest things you could do come draft
time was hey, who was on Calipari didn't score a
lot on the Kentucky teams and then popped in the
NBA later and you just had to find a guard.
Tyrese Maxie was on those Kentucky teams, and he was
like Barry, He wasn't the superstar. He looks like a superstar.
John Caliparry held guys back in college.
Speaker 5 (33:31):
I remember you talked about.
Speaker 3 (33:32):
It a lot.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
Well, no, in fairness to Califari, five of them come on,
well no, but in fairness to Calipari, they're eighteen years
old and a lot of guys, I mean Sga. The
Clippers didn't even know Sga was going to be that good.
Like everybody knew Sga could play. He went to Kentucky
and Calipari doesn't recruit steps, but some guys mature. I mean,
I remember Kevin Knox at Kentucky. I'm like, that guy
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is gonna be great. He topped out early, SGA took
years to develop. So I'm not gonna beat up on
Calipari a lot of his guys. We're just when guys
go one and done, you don't get the best of them.
Speaker 3 (34:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (34:04):
Yeah, but if Tyre's maxew went twenty first in the draft,
if I name some of these guards went ahead of him,
you would vomit in your mouth.
Speaker 5 (34:10):
I mean, the sixer's got a massive steal.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
Don't think get McCain back next month.
Speaker 8 (34:16):
Caine's coming back. Paul George, you know PG thirteen. I
think Podcast P whatever we're calling him now, he's back, by.
Speaker 5 (34:22):
The way, Podcast P. Have you listened to his podcast?
Speaker 8 (34:25):
Pall? How is it?
Speaker 3 (34:25):
How is it good?
Speaker 2 (34:26):
Good?
Speaker 3 (34:26):
I don't know. Shmack with the news, Well that's.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
The news, and thanks for stopping by the Heard Line News.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
You know, it is funny talking to Joel Klatt all
these colleges. How are we gonna pay anybody with nil?
We don't have any money here. Yeah, we're gonna write
a sixty million dollar check for James Franklin, fifty five
for Brian Kelly. They always have money. It's like political parties.
They're constantly sending you stuff. Oh man, we need money.
(34:57):
They always got money. Universities, Oh, whereas are real cutbacks?
Have you see the endowments of Ivy League schools? They've
always got cash.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
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Speaker 2 (35:09):
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Speaker 8 (35:19):
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Speaker 2 (35:36):
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Speaker 1 (35:38):
J Mack is He's mad because Michael Jordan and now
Charles Barkley both criticize modern players for not playing. Jordan
and Barkley are not criticizing players for their style. They're
criticizing them because they're a little soft. The media doesn't
hold them accountable. The NBA media wants access over clicks.
(35:58):
They want access, and so Michael Jordan came out and
basically said load management is nonsense. Now, it started with
Greg Popovich. For the record, it did start with him.
And I've said I'll always defend young seven footers and
old stars taken ten games off. I'll always defend that.
But if you're in, like you're SGA right now, and
(36:19):
he is, he's playing most of the international guys, SGA,
He's playing all the games. So I think load management
drives me crazy. But if you took out like two guys,
take out Kawhi Leonard, like, just take Kawhi out, we
wouldn't talk about it nearly as much. Like Ant plays,
Tatum plays, SGA plays.
Speaker 5 (36:39):
All the guys in the twenties they play all the time.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
That's what I'm saying. So load management is, you know,
it's kind of gone. It's a little overwrought that people
are going crazy. The big guys who get banged up,
they're like, hey, my body's not built for it. I
will defend those guys, and the old lebron guys all defend.
But I think you know, we do. The media does this.
The political media does it all the time. It's the
(37:03):
end of times. Load management drives me nuts. But if
you took just Ko Why out, it wouldn't feel quite
as bad percent.
Speaker 5 (37:12):
By the way, NFL media does not do this.
Speaker 8 (37:14):
You know, all they're doing is celebrating Daniel Jones and
celebrating the Colts greatness and Baker Mayfield teams that they
don't usually pomp up. I don't NBA media like Michael
Jordan and NBC get in bed with the NBA and
now we're blasting load management.
Speaker 5 (37:27):
Of all the things.
Speaker 8 (37:28):
To talk about. In week two, Jordan takes this, Oh,
let me take shots at the car at the modern
era like this. Well, I'll hold back before I say
some curse words. It's just frustrated to see Jordan do that,
like talk about all the good stuff happening.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
Well, we are in the media. As I've said before,
the media talks about plane crashes, not plane landing. You
don't send a reporter to an airport in Indianapolis and
say one hundred and forty flights came in today, all
landed perfectly. That's not news, right, So there are things
in the media to go say, what a great bunch
(38:03):
of players is not news. Michael Jordan's saying, I think
load management's nonsense makes news and Charles Barkley makes news.
By the way, I never have a problem with ex
athletes coming in. In fact, the opposite is usually true.
Ex athletes pander to their buddies who play. I like
(38:27):
that Jordan and Barkley are willing to go this part.
Speaker 3 (38:30):
I don't like that.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
That's very rare, even in the NFL, which has got
a lot of great analysts. You know somebody that used
to work at Fox now at the other place he
could he's pretty hard on NFL players, and he's viewed
as the one analyst that's really really hard on players.
Speaker 8 (38:46):
I don't know who that is, but hey, if you
want to pivot from NBA, can I just touch on
something Klatt said real quick? So he said that the
LSU job is definitely better than Penn State Colin. I
just I'm gonna put this out there. If you look
at the current rankings, there's eight SEC teams in the
top twenty. Go look at the LSU schedule the next
(39:06):
couple of years. It's like so difficult to win. I
know there's so many good players in that region. I
know there's a lot of money. I'm just telling you
if you want to coach college football win, you would
take the Penn State job over LSU. There's so many
good players in Pennsylvania and you're not losing them to
pit We're not going to Temple. You're getting them at
Penn State. I think there's a great opportunity there. If
(39:29):
I were if you offered me LSU and the money
was similar, I'm taking Penn State in a heartbeat.
Speaker 1 (39:33):
Sorry, yeah, I mean, listen, there's a lot of value, like,
for instance, if I when I decided to move mostly
from LA to Chicago and drove the decision. So I
mean seriously, so a lot of it is are my
kids in school? It's not all money. If you're being
(39:54):
let's say Penn State offers ten million, LSU twelve, So
my thing is where are my kids in how old
are my kids? Are we empty nesters? Then I'll just
go for the money. If we're not, where are my
kids in school? Does my wife have a very strong
social network that she doesn't want to leave?
Speaker 3 (40:10):
Because when you're.
Speaker 1 (40:11):
Getting offered those big jobs, I mean you can win
a lot of jobs at a lot of games. At
Penn State, I think LS used the better job in
terms of talent. I mean less Miles won of Natty
save in winn Naty at Orizearon won of Naty. That's
three guys. So Penn State doesn't have that resume. But again,
I think sometimes we do a bad job. We think
(40:34):
it's all about the money. I always said Texas is
a great job. Part of it is Austin, Texas. By
college standards, it's a top seven or eight college town.
Ann Arbor's a great college town. Athens, Georgie. I'd much
rather live in Athens than Tuscaloosa. I think Athens is
a great It's a great college town. I mean University
(40:57):
of Washington. You're go to live in a big city.
Jean's a good college town. There's a lot of places
that I don't even want to get a flat tire
in that have college football programs, right, And I admit
I've never been to Happy Valley.
Speaker 5 (41:09):
You've been, I haven't been there. I haven't been to.
Speaker 8 (41:11):
Baton Rouge except when we went to the Super Bowl.
So I don't know the college towns as well. But
you know, I had Tim Brando on my podcast, great announcer,
I know you know him. Yeah, he does not think
Lane Kiffin is going to be leaving Old Miss. Apparently
Ole Miss has a lot of money. You know they'll
bill just change you for Lane Kiffins.
Speaker 1 (41:28):
My question is this, if you can make whatever Lane
makes nine million at Old Miss, and you can make
eleven five, but you have to start over at LSU
with enormous pressure.
Speaker 5 (41:41):
I nat your pressure.
Speaker 3 (41:42):
I would stay.
Speaker 1 (41:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (41:43):
By the way, floridigators, there's a lot of pressure at
that job too, because they feel like they're falling behind
a little bit. Again, some people want pressure. I like
to joke the Stephen Jackson line, I make love to pressure.
But I'm taking the Penn State job over the LSU job.
And I know there's a lot of fertile ground for
app in the LSU area, but Collin Penn State is
not Choppliver.
Speaker 5 (42:03):
I'm telling you that schedule, it is winnable. You win
nine games next year.
Speaker 3 (42:06):
And the Nittany Lion in free popcorn.
Speaker 1 (42:10):
The Oregon job, because of Phil Knight's become a great job,
unbelievable facilities. Now the state has no players in it,
so you have to get enough plane to go get players.
But you know Mark Fus proven that at Gonzaga. Now
you got to get more football than basketball players. But
you can win anywhere if you have the right system,
the right assistance, the right capital. So I just think
(42:33):
if I'm winning ten and getting into the playoff, it'll
miss I'm staying. I'm probably I'm probably staying.
Speaker 3 (42:42):
Power three coming up.
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