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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Here we go, it's our two, Greg Hose. In a
couple of minutes, we are live in Chicago. It is
The Herd. Halloween tomorrow, Lamar Jackson Tonight, the Dodgers in
big trouble. The Lakers are in an interesting place, whereas
Austin Reeves without Lebron and without Luca new ownership is
putting up massive numbers. Could he be a great trade piece?
(00:50):
You know, I said this yesterday. Is between Lebron, Luca
and Austin Reeves. You have three guys that need the
ball in their hands. In fact, when Lebron plays in
Lebron that you should see Austin Reeves numbers. He's a
different player, so are they maximizing what he does?
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Now? It's last night.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
They beat Minnesota. Yeah, I don't take I don't even
talk a lot of NBA in October, November, and December.
Same with college basketball. So teams are haven't really figured
out their you know, defensive alignments. There's experimenting. There's a
lot of guys that are playing themselves into shape. But
it is a great space for the new Laker owners
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to be in. They have not extended Lebron reportedly he's
in his fields A little bit about that. But you know,
Austin Reeves, luc and JJ Reddick. If you said that's
the future of the Lakers, I still think they have
no rim protector. I don't think they're athletic enough on
the wing. I think sometimes Austin Reeves and Luca sort
of duplicate their straints. They get to the line, they
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can score. They're not great defenders. It's duplication, but it
is impressive. Here's he now, he missed fourteen shots, and
here's Austin.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
After they'll probably tell me I sucked because it's like
fourteen shots.
Speaker 5 (02:02):
Well, get back my brother and Lebron, everybody get back.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Great night. Austin Reeves all right with that?
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Forty six years working at NFL Films, he is always
our Thursday Encyclopedia. Greg Cosel is now joining us. All right,
let's let's let's dive into Kansas City in Buffalo. So
you know players who don't necessarily work in other places Hollywood,
Brown or don't work to the level Juju Smith Schuster
(02:30):
that do in Kansas City. We've talked about is it
just Andy, is it Mahomes? But I think Rashi Rice
is a one and I think Worthy.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
Is a two.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
But they do a really good job of fun making
everything kind of work right, like they just find a play.
I mean, sky Moore has a wide open touchdown in
the Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
I look at their I look at.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Their receiving room, and I'm like, man, there's a lot
of different types and sizes. What do you see right
now with Kansas City's off, I think.
Speaker 6 (03:01):
A lot goes into that colin as it often does
with good quarterbacks, great quarterbacks.
Speaker 7 (03:06):
Maholmes is one of the most fascinating.
Speaker 6 (03:08):
Quarterbacks that I think I've studied in all my years
evaluating quarterbacks. And it's the reason why there were some
people when he came out of college were.
Speaker 7 (03:17):
Uncertain as to what he would be as a pro.
Speaker 6 (03:19):
But the more and more you watch him, I don't
think we've ever seen a quarterback with his spatial awareness
and his vision. There's a term that I've heard called
fighter pilot's vision.
Speaker 7 (03:31):
And he kind of has that.
Speaker 6 (03:32):
He may be may have the best spatial awareness and
fighter pilot's vision that we've ever seen. And it's just
remarkable the way. I mean, the second half of the
game the other night on Monday Night was really all
of him making improvisational second reaction plays. That wasn't a
second half of playing within structure. Their best instructure play
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came in the first half when he hit Kelsey on
one of their staple flood concepts for I think thirty
plus yards. But he just has an unbelievable knack for
making these plays. Now, he'll leave throws on the field
and then he'll run around and make a play, and
it's just those are the kinds of things when you
watch him, you go, I wonder how they deal with that.
(04:14):
Do they just say great play, Patrick, or do they say, hey,
we had this play design and you didn't throw it,
and you know, next time throw it.
Speaker 7 (04:21):
I don't know how they deal with that.
Speaker 6 (04:23):
But he just has an uncanny ability that is arguably
the best we've ever seen.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
How does Buffalo's offense match up with Spags and the
Chief's defense.
Speaker 6 (04:33):
I tell you, Buffalo's offense the last number of weeks
has not been a great watch. And I'm just being
on a space purely on tape study. I don't think,
and I'm not saying this sarcastically, the way they've been playing,
I don't think they can beat this defense, this Chiefs
defense running the ball the way they have I'm not
saying they shouldn't run it, but running the ball with
that kind of production success and throwing tunnel screens and
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five yard passes. Josh Allen the last couple of weeks
has not looked like the Josh Allen were used to now.
He's been leaving the pocket prematurely. He's making too many plays,
random improvisations, and when they don't work, you end up
short circuiting your offense. So I think Josh Allen has
to get back to playing much more of the way
he did last year, where he was much more calmer,
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much more composed. This was not a very good game
for him this past week, but they didn't need it.
Speaker 7 (05:26):
He's going to have to.
Speaker 6 (05:26):
Play well in history, suggests Colin in this matchup that
he's going to have to drop back forty times. I mean,
that's the way this matchup has gone. They've played nine
times over what the last four years, and Josh Allen
has been great in almost all of those games. But
he's thrown the ball probably at least thirty plus times
in every one of those games. And I would not
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expect this game to be any different.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
All Right, I watched the Packers and the Steelers, let's talk.
For the last four to five years, Pittsburgh's defense has
been the most expensive. But in the second half against Seattle,
in the second half against Green Bay, against Joe Flacco,
I'm left wondering they're not even a good tackling team
at times?
Speaker 7 (06:07):
Tall right right?
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Is it scheme?
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Is it coaching? Is it personnel? What is wrong with
Pittsburgh's defense?
Speaker 7 (06:14):
I think you're dealing with two things when it comes.
Speaker 6 (06:16):
To the pass defense, because they give up the most
passing yards in the NFL. People probably thought the Cowboys,
but it's actually the Steelers. And I think they're struggling
with lack of pass rush, which would be a surprise,
and combine that with lack of quality corner play right now,
and when you have a lack of pass rush and
a lack of quality corner play. You've got an issue,
and that's what the main problem is right now.
Speaker 7 (06:38):
And obviously they've just come off.
Speaker 6 (06:40):
A game playing against Jordan Love, and Jordan Love he's
become a joy to watch because there's now a controlled
efficiency column to the way in which he plays. I mean,
he was a guy that was reckless a bit at
times through his first two years. I'm sure he will
be at times just because he's capable of making those
kinds of plays. But now there's kind of a controlled
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efficiency to the way in which he plays.
Speaker 7 (07:05):
There's a calculation.
Speaker 6 (07:07):
He's taking the throws that are there rather than chasing plays,
and that just helps your offense stay on schedule. And
you and I both know that Matt Lafleur at his
core would like to run the ball. And when it's
first and ten and they show you a six yard completion,
now Jordan Love is taking the six yard completion and
it's second and four, and now Matt Leaflour can run
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the ball. So he's really allowing mattel Laflor's offense to
really flourish the way they want it to be.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
So I want to talk about the Ravens.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
But before I talked strictly about the Ravens tonight, I
want to talk about Caleb against the Ravens.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
It was interesting.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
It was one of my blazing five picks, and when
I was told Lamar wasn't going to play, my take is, well,
it's in Baltimore.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
It's an NFC team.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Caleb has been outside of the opening drive a little erratic.
I think Baltimore can beat him. What did the tape say,
all these years doing it on Caleb against a finally
healthier Ravens defense.
Speaker 7 (08:08):
Yeah, I thought.
Speaker 6 (08:08):
Actually, Caleb showed some positive signs in this game. I
think they'll still be uneven moments and ups and downs,
but I think, and again, this is what I look
for when I watch Kale. I look for playing with
excellent timing and rhythm within structure, because that's really what
the Ben Johnson offense is. And Caleb at his core
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is not a true natural timing anticipation player, so it's
going to be baby steps. And I think there were
some signs of positive plays this week, some snapshots where
I said, as I.
Speaker 7 (08:41):
Was watching the tape, that's pretty good.
Speaker 6 (08:43):
Now a lot of people are probably going to look
at the interception which he was late with that throw.
He was late by two beats. It was a bad decision,
but also a dunes. They ran a really bad route.
He drifted rather than flattened, and he made it easy
for the corner Wiggans to undercut it. But I thought
there was positive signs this week, and we'll see. It's
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going to be a process, Colin, and I think I
think you almost have to accept that Caleb Williams is
really in his rookie season, not in his second season.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
Baltimore's defense is healthy. What do you see positively from that?
Speaker 6 (09:18):
I love the way they're using Kyle Hamilton now, he's
back being kind of there slot, overhanging, multi dimensional player.
They use him as a blitzer, they line him up
on the ball, off the ball, he's used on stunts as.
Speaker 7 (09:30):
Both a looper and a picker.
Speaker 6 (09:32):
I mean to me, he's really, in many ways the
key to what they're doing right now. And I'll tell
you the rookie from Marshall Green he's getting a ton
of snaps on the edge and he's showing up. But
to me, it's Kyle Hamilton who is really the main
guy right now he's such a unique player, and there's
more and more guys actually coming into the league like that.
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Seattle has won in nick A Minwari, who's basically the
same size as Kyle Hamilton and being deployed by Mike
McDonald who he had Kyle Hamilton a.
Speaker 7 (10:01):
Few years ago.
Speaker 6 (10:02):
So, but Kyle Hamilton, to me, really stands out when
you watch the tape of the of the Ravens defense.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
So this isn't great for Aj Brown, but he doesn't play,
and the Eagles offense is hummon.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
Now I love Devonte Smith. I mean, I listen. They
have really good personnel.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
But I've said this before, he's not necessarily an adversary.
But there are players that there are wide receivers and
quarterbacks or wide receivers that are loaners or kind of
guys on an island that don't fit a particular scheme.
And when I think of the Eagles, I always think
of the tushbush, which is an ugly collective. You know,
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it's two yards, it's ugly, it's inartistic. AJ Brown's beautiful,
he goes deep, he makes the great catch, you know,
so does he fit perfectly? Why were they so successful
last week without.
Speaker 6 (10:52):
Him, well, I would say this last week they were
back to the template of the way they performed last
season when they won the Super Keep in mind that
this team operates best when the run game is the
foundation and Jalen Hurts drop back, drops back less than
thirty times.
Speaker 7 (11:09):
That was the profile a week ago.
Speaker 6 (11:12):
They got the run game going, they rush for two
hundred and seventy six yards. Now, you're not going to
rush for two seventy six every week, But the point
is the run game was the guiding foundation of how
they played. I keep reminding people that last year during
the Super Bowl season, Jalen Hurts through for less than
two hundred yards nine or ten times. Jalen Hurts is
a phenomenal player in terms of he never turns it over,
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and they're phenomenal in the red zone, of which Jalen
Hurts is a major factor. They have the highest red
zone touchdown efficiency percentage in the league right now, and
they don't get there as much as a lot of teams,
but when they get there, they score. So they're at
their best when they play a certain way, and that
way does not really detail Jalen Hurts dropping back forty
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or forty five times, so there are going to be
games in which aj Brown does not necessarily.
Speaker 7 (12:01):
Get a lot of targets.
Speaker 6 (12:03):
This is just who the Eagles are on offense, and
when it works, they're really really good at it.
Speaker 7 (12:07):
But it's not built on dropping back and throwing the ball.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
So it's interesting.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
I know Shane Steichen's a great coach, and Daniel Jones
is having a waderful year and Jonathan Taylor's always been good,
but we don't talk offensive lines. And it was about
I don't remember when the game was, five weeks ago,
whenever it was they played, they played Denver, and that's
when I came out and said, folks, the Colts O
line is in that Detroit Philly space, like they are
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pushing people around. How when you watch the offense, who
are you going to give credit to? Because I mean,
the Rams beat them, but actually Indy had them beat, right,
what do you make of their offense?
Speaker 7 (12:52):
Well, you're right.
Speaker 6 (12:53):
About the old line, and I'm not an O line
you know, guru by any means, Colin, But when I
watched Quinn Nelson get out and pull, and I think
there's two guys you watch pull in this league, get
out front in Trent Williams and Quentin Nelson, and you go,
oh my god, how can people that big move like that?
Speaker 8 (13:07):
You know?
Speaker 6 (13:09):
But I think where they're so so good, and this
is Shane Steichen and I'm sure it's his influence is
on first down. I mean, we all think about Jonathan Taylor, right,
Isn't he the guy you think of when you think
of their offense? But right now, through eight weeks, Daniel
Jones has far and away the most first down passing
yards of any quarterback in the league. And I'm not
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sure people would think that way about this offense. They
think about Jonathan Taylor, by the way, he's terrific on
first down two, But Daniel Jones, with the schematics of
this pass game on first down, they've allowed Daniel Jones
to really flourish because the reds and the throws are defined.
It's always been the best down to throw on first down,
and they are really maximizing their ability.
Speaker 7 (13:53):
They've gained the most yards total on first down by
a wide margin.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
So it's interesting. I like the Texans to be the Niners.
Last week one of them aw's health. But I said
this when I watched C. J. Stroud and you give
him just that extra beat.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
I love what the ball looks like coming out of
his hands. It's beautiful, it really is. It just flies
out of his hands. It's got juice, it's accurate. And
what did you make of his performance against the Niners.
Speaker 6 (14:23):
Yeah, and he doesn't need to step into his throats
to throw a beautiful ball, which is a really good thing.
I thought last week he looked to me like he
did as a rookie when we all thought that he
was on his way to being, you know, maybe a
top five quarterback in the league. And last year was
very uneven and through the first six seven weeks this
season was very uneven. Now, granted, he played against the
defense that couldn't rush the quarterback particularly well, but he
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also made some very good throws in this game where
the pocket was squeezed and he was under pressure. So
this was the game where I, you know, and again
we don't know what's going to happen this week. Obviously
they play a very tough defense in the Broncos, so
you just don't know. But this was a game where
you say, if he can get back to playing like this,
then the Texans really have a chance to get back,
and I want to show you a play if we
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can get to our play from last week, that I
think really speaks to how well he played. If we
could use this one play, it's kind of a microcosm
of how we played last week. It was the thirty
yard touchdown to Xavier Hutchinson, and there's some really nice
elements to this play, particularly with how they designed it
and with Stroud. Now it was third down obviously, so
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third down is a money down. So now you're going
to see Stroud in the gun and what they are
going to do is they're going to take Braxton Barrios
and he's going to go in what we call short
burst motion outside.
Speaker 7 (15:38):
So they know with that motion that they're going to
get manned.
Speaker 6 (15:41):
The corner bumps out and you're going to see that
they're going to get the match up to the trip
side there.
Speaker 7 (15:47):
It's going to be man coverage. It will end up
being cover one.
Speaker 6 (15:50):
Because the safety to the short side of the field
is going to end up rotating into the post and
he's going to be the post safety in cover one.
So now what are they run is a route concept.
We're going to focus on two guys, Wayne and Hutchinson,
and they're going to run a concept that's in everybody's playbook.
Speaker 7 (16:06):
It's double dig It's a very common route concept.
Speaker 6 (16:10):
Now the forty nine ers on this particular play and
they did this throughout the game because they couldn't generate
any pressure.
Speaker 7 (16:17):
They rushed six here.
Speaker 6 (16:18):
And the reason they rush six is because they know
the back is going to have to end up being
part of the protection because of this six man pressure.
So they're still playing cover one though, so they're rushing six.
So now what you end up with is Hutchinson. He's
matched on his safety. So this is what you wanted.
You wanted this matchup and they got it. And this
is a beautiful throw. But now we're going to take
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a look at this colin from behind Stroud because you're
going to see just what I mean about being able
to throw from squeeze.
Speaker 7 (16:47):
Pockets and how good a throw this is.
Speaker 6 (16:49):
This is Michael Williams, who's a stand up rusher here,
and he's going to get inside and he's going to
get in Stroud's face. I mean, you talked about him
the way he can throw the ball. He doesn't even
need to step into this at all. And you can
see the matchup. And what makes this even more special
is he really has to throw this to a spot.
He has to throw this with anticipation right now. He
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can't wait for the receiver. Then it's too late, so
he's throwing this to a spot and you'll see the
pressure that Williams puts on him. This is big time
NFL quarterbacking right here. And by the way, this is
the kind of player Stroud has to be because even
though he's not a statue, you and I both know Colin,
at his core.
Speaker 7 (17:29):
He's a pocket player.
Speaker 6 (17:31):
You know, if he's going to be a great quarterback
in this league, it's going to have to be from
the pocket.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
Greg Cosel forty six years at NFL Films as always, Greg,
great stuff.
Speaker 7 (17:42):
Thanks, Colin, really appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
What's interesting about CJ.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
Stroud When he came out, his comp was Jared Goff,
and then he watched him against he was like Georgia
and he ran a little bit more like Jared Goff
with some wiggle. It's kind of what he is. It's
he throws absolutely one of the best. Mean Stafford throws
the prettiest ball in the league.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
I think c J.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
Stroud, Herbert Burrow when he's healthy, are right behind him,
Jared Goff. But when you watch sometimes it just looks
different with the great Ones, Aaron Rodgers, Dan Marino, it
looked different when C. J. Stroud can plant and not
even plant, it looks different. That's what I was saying
about the kid from Alabama, Ty Simpson. I don't see juice.
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It doesn't fly out. It doesn't look different. Drake may
ball looks different. It just comes out tight, low velocity, accurate.
It's hard to explain. It's it's the it. It just
looks different. Jack. Did you notice what he said about
the Buffalo Bills matchup against Kansas City.
Speaker 5 (18:43):
I'm not very aware.
Speaker 9 (18:45):
Yes, yes, can we rescind our bet on the No? No, no,
I still like it. It's interesting on Stroud so when
he has time to plant and throw. Great Niners have
no pass rush without huffs and Bosa Denver has the
most highest pressure.
Speaker 5 (18:58):
Rate in the league.
Speaker 7 (18:59):
Gum.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Yeah, so easy to have time to throw. It's a
stay away game for me. I want to watch it.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
I don't have a strong feeling. I had a strong
feeling last week. I like Houston over Niners. Don't have
a strong I was with you.
Speaker 7 (19:09):
It's funny.
Speaker 5 (19:10):
There's a couple go either way games.
Speaker 9 (19:11):
I put Colt Steelers in that because just the pits
history of Pittsburgh at home. But other than that, it
seems like blowout city across the board, Rams, Packers, Chargers,
all huge favorite Lions. Have you seen that line? I mean,
Vikings offensive line is in shambles. I mean it seems
like it's going to be blowouts or really close nip
and tuck games.
Speaker 5 (19:31):
Makes it tough for the gamblers coling.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Yeah, I think, and I said this last year. Last
year was the first time that I remember that the
bottom of the NFL felt like the bottom of the NBA.
Is that my two months in, you're like, it's not
really competitive? And I think there's a couple of reasons
for this. Number one is the league has become so
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quarterback reliant. If you don't have one, it is ugly fast.
And the other reason is because all the the owners
now are billionaires instead of one hundred millionaires, and they
are much more willing to blow up a staff at
a moment's notice. And so you're getting these revolving doors
and these turn styles in the front office. I mean
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it's not I mean, think about this Kansas City and
Detroit and the Rams and Green Bay. You kind of
know who's in the front office. They'll make an occasional
defensive coordinator change. The only team in this league that
makes a lot of moves and is good is Philadelphia.
They tend to be They'll move off a quarterback, they'll
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they do things that bad organizations do. But they are
so well owned and so smartly run that it's okay
for them. But and there's a lot of noise around
the Eagles, you know, like good teams, there's not a
lot of noise. I mean, you live in Los Angeles,
you can't see Rams players.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
They hide. You just don't.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
It's not a thing. And so the best teams are
usually a little quiet. They keep their gms, they keep
their scouting directors, they keep their coordinators. But it's just
I feel the same way the last two weeks. I
don't generally like taking favorites. I'm having to talk myself
in to the Washington commanders on Sunday night. I'm having
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to talk myself into it. Well, because I'm not gonna
take five favorites.
Speaker 5 (21:19):
Well, what about the Bears your Bears.
Speaker 9 (21:21):
By the way, they may face Jake Browning instead of
Joe Flacco. I don't know if you saw that news.
Joe Flacco's got an ac joint. Sprain and Jake Browning
maybe understand art the Bears a slight favorite. Bears are
a favorite, but that's gonna go up. Remember Jamar Chase
was like ticked off playing with Jake Browning. Flacco comes in,
He's getting nineteen targets a game. So yeah, Bears all
of a sudden, look interesting. I think you're right about
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the quarterbacks, man, and we're gonna find out. Can JJ
McCarthy play. We may find that out against a nutches
into company Sunday.
Speaker 5 (21:49):
I don't know the answer.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
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Speaker 1 (22:39):
Always so many surprises. In October, Toronto Blue Jays heading
back to Canada three to two lead. All the Dodgers'
one hundred million dollar bats have dried up in the
last two games.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
Here's Jmac with the news.
Speaker 7 (22:56):
No, no, turn on the news.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
This is the line news.
Speaker 9 (23:01):
All right, Colin, Let's start with our very own Tom Brady,
friend of the show, obviously announcer here at Fox. He
put together a weekly power rankings and wouldn't you believe it,
he's got an eye on Jordan Love as an MVP
dark horse.
Speaker 5 (23:18):
Tom Brady here he is talking about Jordan Love.
Speaker 11 (23:22):
Pittsburgh's one of the toughest places to play in the NFL.
In Green Bay troil most of the game before a
monster fourth quarter. That's the kind of calm under pressure
that I like to see from a young quarterback who
might be starting to ascend this season. Keep an eye
on Jordan Love is a dark horse in the MVP race.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
Yeah, I don't know if it's a dark horse. Now
I think I.
Speaker 5 (23:43):
Think, you know, he might winn the damn thing.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
Yeah, and I.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
Think he's really good. I think I think it's obvious now.
He had such a weird First of all, we didn't
watch him in college, unlike a lot of the guys.
Speaker 9 (23:54):
You were watching Utah State come So we.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
Didn't watch him in college. Then he didn't play for
three years. You couldn't get on. And in his first
five or six games, Matt Leafluor called him out at
the podium, and then he's very good in the last
seven or eight games, and then the next year he
gets hurt, and so we kind of came into this year.
It was like the old joke about is Joe Flacco
elite and you don't really know. Listen, turn the sound
(24:16):
down and I do this all the time. Turn this
sound down and watch Jordan Love movement, arm, accuracy, confidence,
He's just I mean, it's really weird. I was thinking
about this the other day. You start listing the ten
best quarterbacks in the league. We have so many good
(24:36):
quarterbacks now, I don't even know where to put Sam Darnold,
Where do I put Baker Mayfield?
Speaker 3 (24:41):
Where do I.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Put Dak Prescott? All of them to me are below
Jordan Love. I think he's just younger, healthier. I think
he's got equal the arm. I think he moves better
than most. What do you do with Daniel Jones? Now?
Speaker 3 (24:55):
What do you do with CJ. Stroud?
Speaker 1 (24:57):
The quality of quarterback play? Now, I don't even think
it's a slight. You could put Jordan Love at like nine,
and he is an MVP favorite, you know after.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
The weekend, Like it's just so good right now.
Speaker 9 (25:10):
So you know, we've talked about this the MVP discussion
nationally on radio, podcast TV. It's kind of weak. Brady
makes a good point here. Love is plus eighteen hundred
right now. That's actually a smart bet. And I'm gonna
tell you why. The Packers if they win the NFC
coll and get the number one seed, he's gonna be
either the winner or the runner up.
Speaker 5 (25:29):
That's how it works.
Speaker 9 (25:30):
The media votes for the quarterback on the best or
second best team in the league.
Speaker 5 (25:34):
How about this one? Are you ready?
Speaker 9 (25:36):
Week seventeen, Green Bay Packers host the Baltimore Ravens's good.
That could be for the MVP. If Jordan Love wins
that game in week seventeen, it's probably gonna be flex
to Sunday Night Football. That will be for the MVP. Now,
Lamar may not be able to win it because he's
missed some games, but Jordan Love puts up four touchdowns
on the Ravens defense and they win and lock up
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the number one. You know what I'm telling you, Jordan
loves winning the MVP. I think he's in that scenario.
Speaker 7 (26:02):
Obviously.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
Think about this.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
Think about the Packers have hit on three straight superstar quarterbacks.
Did they get them from Alabama, Ohio State, Notre Dame?
They got them from Southern miss Cow and Utah State.
That is doing your homework. Think about that. That's their
three star They didn't go to USC, they didn't go
to LSU, Southern Miss Cow and Utah State. Okay, that
(26:28):
is knowing what you're doing.
Speaker 5 (26:31):
Do you remember.
Speaker 9 (26:32):
Actually, I don't know if you've seen this, So some
meatball put together online a list of quarterbacks that the
Packers have had the last thirty years, and then the
rest of the division and the Lions have like twenty
five quarterbacks. The Vikings have like thirty it's hysterical and
the Packers have three. That's it for thirty years. Why
is the guy who did that a meet? Well, you
know he's trying to make some point about the Packers.
(26:53):
And I like making fun of people online who are
anonymous because they usually come after me. Final note, do
you remember Brock Perty was playing for the MV two
years ago against Lamar? I think it was Christmas night?
Do you remember that game? Perty had four picks. You
came on here and savage it and he lost the
MVP that night. He was right there. I think he
ended up third behind Dak and Lamar. But that's how
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it's gonna work. Jordan Love a good bet I think
for MVP. Next up com Let's go to the Minnesota Vikings.
They are trying to avoid a third straight loss.
Speaker 5 (27:22):
Man.
Speaker 9 (27:23):
That Chargers game was bad last Thursday. JJ McCarthy is
back at full health. The ankle's all good. He's gonna
start against the Lions. I'm fascinated McCarthy. He feels confident
in his ankle heading into Sunday.
Speaker 4 (27:35):
Everything in my past, you know how I went about things.
It was always like if I felt, you know, ten
percent fifteen percent. I was gonna go out there and
give it my all, but understanding, you know how this
league works and you know how everything operates. I was
just listening, you know, to my trainers and coach O'Connell,
and you know, obeying orders at the end of the day.
But I think it was the smartest thing possible. And
I feel great. I feel like myself again. I feel
(27:57):
like I, you know, have those mobility things that I
was concerned about, you know, going into last week, in
the prior weeks.
Speaker 8 (28:04):
So yeah, ready to go.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
For the record.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
We always root for quarterbacks on this show because the
quality of play is better and because the guys get
hurt all the time. I am hoping this is a
twenty eight to twenty seven shootout.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
I don't care who wins.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
I want to see the Kevin O'Connell's too good of
a coach to be scrambling to find like Shane Stikeen
with Anthony Richardson, You're like, this guy's too good of
a coach. Give him somebody he can elevate. I want
to see JJ McCarthy flourish this weekend. I don't know
if you will, but playing, you know, Detroit at home
is a track team, but I'm rooting for him, not
(28:39):
rooting against him. The league at one o'clock window on Sunday,
I can only take so many bad quarterbacks, So.
Speaker 9 (28:47):
I'm looking at the injury report we're waiting for today.
But the offensive line for the Vikings is one to
watch Colin. If they don't have it against Hutcheson and McNeil,
they're in trouble. And I this is there's a lot
of noise or do you pay.
Speaker 5 (28:59):
Attention the Vikings.
Speaker 9 (29:00):
There's a lot of people right now kind of upset
with Kevin O'Connell, who apparently was ready for satanhood before
the season and now it's like, hold up, hold up.
You guys had Daniel Jones and Sam Darnold on the roster,
they're both going to the playoffs and we're stuck with
McCarthy and broken Carson Wentz. So there are people like
upset right now with the Vikings. I don't totally get
it because I believe.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
In o'connelle well, okay, just a reminder, it's hard. Everybody
wanted Chris Ballard fired last year the GM and then
you watch him now with a confident quarterback and you're like, God,
they're mauling good teams. They're dominating because they've been drafting well.
They just couldn't find the quarterback. Kevin O'Connell's a great
top ten coach. Agree, you don't get the quarterback right.
(29:43):
Everybody looks dumb in the organization. Everybody Kevin Stefanski is
a great coach. They can't get the quarterback right. So
I my take in all this stuff is Kevin Stefanski,
Kevin O'Connell. I said this before. I can love a company,
but not love the current stock price. Can love a coach,
don't like his current quarterbackers situation. Kevin O'Connell's great, Stefanski's great.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
They don't ever goe yet.
Speaker 9 (30:08):
Final story, Colin is another one of your favorites. We'd
love to talk about guys you like on this show.
Drake May What a season he's having six and two.
He's really cooking on the deep ball. One of the
best deep ball throwers in the league this season. Now,
as I keep pointing out, they are beating some of
the cellar dwellers around the NFL. Here's Falcons DC Jeff Ulbrich,
(30:30):
who by the way, was with the Jets last year
and it was a little bit about Drake May. Here
he is talking about the young most.
Speaker 8 (30:35):
Challenge being the AFC East for four years. Got very
familiar with Drake, especially the last couple and he's way
better than I wanted him to be. He feels like
a mini Josh Allen, like a younger Josh Allen in
a lot of ways. His mobility, his arm strength, the
way he can take a game over with both fastest
of the game. So he's going to be a He's
(30:57):
a problem.
Speaker 9 (30:59):
Now, before you scoff at the mini Josh Allen comment,
our crack staff put together a matchup of Drake May's
first twenty starts against Josh Allen's Are you ready calling?
Speaker 3 (31:09):
No, I can guarantee you Yeah, Drake May's are better. Yeah.
It doesn't stark me at all.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
I mean I came from a better conference, he had
better competition, he was a more refined project prospect, so
it didn't surprise me. Yeah, and I don't think it's crazy.
I think Drake May is going to be a multiple
time Pro Bowl or doesn't surprise me. I think he's
justin Herbert East Coast version.
Speaker 5 (31:31):
That's not bad. You know saying I like Colin. So
I remember I was higher on May.
Speaker 9 (31:36):
Than Daniels coming out of the draft, and I was
I looked wrong, but I wasn't wrong.
Speaker 5 (31:40):
I was just early.
Speaker 9 (31:41):
Drake May is legit and frankly he's having as good
as season now as Jaden Daniels had last year.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
And he's a bigger guy that gets hurt less than
that matters. That's why a lot of.
Speaker 9 (31:50):
Concussion ten three times this season. So we gotta button
that up.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
But these young guys don't know how to slide. Drake
May last week brutal, like dude slide practice. Tom Brady
used to practice getting sacked. It's not asking much, but
Drake Mate practices how to slide.
Speaker 3 (32:07):
It's not a big ask or you're gonna get hurt.
J mcklanews, Okay, well that's the news, and thanks for
stopping by the.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
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Speaker 3 (32:15):
Well, you know I was.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
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little quarterback candy comp also Diana Russini breaking news potentially
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Speaker 1 (32:49):
All Right, j Mac, Halloween is tomorrow. Our staff already
gets into it. You can see all the ghosts hovering.
If you're listening on radio, you should turn on FS one.
All the ghosts hover ring in and out of our set.
So everybody's all fired up for this, and I thought,
you know, we'll give a little bit back.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
I like candy.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
I'm just knocking out, just knocked out a little kit
cat bar here. Oh gross, Oh my god. It's great
life saver gummies.
Speaker 9 (33:14):
Yes, I.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
Don't care what they say about red dye. I love it.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
I've got a couple snickers here, So we're gonna do it.
You give me a quarterback and I will give you
his candy com all right.
Speaker 9 (33:27):
Can't which Halloween candy is?
Speaker 1 (33:29):
Patrick momes easiest one, Reese's Peanut butter Cup, most popular, best.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
In the game right now. Patrick leaves the.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
NFL in total touchdowns and ranke second total yards this
year on a heater that is easily by the way
the most ordered Halloween candy by a long shot.
Speaker 9 (33:49):
As a kids say very nd. Which Halloween candy is Monicks?
Speaker 3 (33:54):
Bonicks is dark chocolate?
Speaker 5 (33:56):
I love him.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
I think it's an acquired taste. I'm not sure if
anybody else even likes it. I'm like eighty seven percent,
ninety two percent? What do I care?
Speaker 3 (34:05):
I mean?
Speaker 1 (34:06):
During his five game winning streak in the fourth quarter alone,
thirteen touchdowns, two picks, bonex baby bow beautiful?
Speaker 3 (34:13):
All right?
Speaker 9 (34:14):
Which Halloween candy is a Baker Mayfield warhead?
Speaker 1 (34:19):
Very intense, but you learn to love it. I mean, listen,
he leaves the NFL with eighty two touchdown passes since
joining the Bucks. He can be a little reckless. It
takes a while to get used to it. But you
know what, You're down a couple of those warheads.
Speaker 3 (34:35):
You're all in? All right?
Speaker 5 (34:37):
Which Halloween candy is Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
He's complex, and so is this candy the TUTSI rollpop.
It's got a hardened exterior, but it's totally different inside,
completely different inside.
Speaker 3 (34:53):
Listen, the Steelers are.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
Going to average twenty five a game, right, that's what
they're doing right now. That's their best in five six years.
So the TUTSI roll pop again. I'm not saying it's
great for your teeth. I'm not saying, but the outside
in the inside, it's very complex.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
It's two different candy.
Speaker 9 (35:11):
That's a good one. Which Halloween candy is Jalen Hurts
candy corn?
Speaker 1 (35:17):
A lot of people love it something, it's totally overrated.
He's won twenty two of us twenty of his last
twenty two games, so it's dependable.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
It's always there.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
But they have one of the highest third and out
percentages in the NFL. So you're either with it or
you're not at all. Love me some candy corner.
Speaker 5 (35:39):
Which Halloween candy is Matthew Stafford?
Speaker 3 (35:42):
We both love Stafford.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
He's all reliable, like the Hershey bar, you know what
you're getting, right, never bad. Leads the NFL in touchdown
passes and big plays, second highest quidded passer. I mean,
it goes with almost anything. A fifth round wide receiver,
a fifth round running back, an undrafted left tackle, the
(36:05):
classic thirty seven year old still good.
Speaker 5 (36:09):
Which Halloween candy is? Your guy?
Speaker 1 (36:10):
Caleb Williams, My god, the butterfinger sounds good, but is it?
Speaker 3 (36:18):
Yeah? I'm not sure if it is.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
I mean he's nine to fifteen completion percentage declined this season,
ranks twenty fourth.
Speaker 9 (36:28):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (36:28):
I used to get stuff in my teeth.
Speaker 9 (36:30):
I'm weird after taste. I don't know if I like it.
I like butterfinger, right, finally call him? Which Halloween candy is?
Trevor Lawrence? The staff came up with this mystery airhead.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
What you're never quite sure what you just experience?
Speaker 3 (36:49):
Well, what is it?
Speaker 1 (36:50):
He leaves the NFL with seventy four turnovers since he
entered the league, and his record is twenty six and
forty one.
Speaker 3 (36:58):
It's good, No, it's not. What is it?
Speaker 1 (37:02):
I'm not sure he's talented. He turns the ball over.
I don't know what to make it.
Speaker 3 (37:07):
Trevor Lawrence or the mystery airhead?
Speaker 9 (37:11):
Yeah, good stuff. I can't believe you don't like candy corn.
Bro come on, candy corn is so good.
Speaker 3 (37:16):
It's a little bit like candle wax, a little bit.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
How. I'm a texture guy. I can't there's certain textures
I can't do.
Speaker 5 (37:26):
I gotta be honest.
Speaker 9 (37:27):
I'm shocked that Reese's Peanut butter cups are like the
most popular by a mile.
Speaker 5 (37:32):
I had no clue those are I just yeah, Wow,
that's sunning.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
All right, here's the NFL schedule a JMAX this weekend.
I usually ask you on Thursdays, I want the big upset.
Oh boy, I don't see a big upset.
Speaker 9 (37:50):
Why don't we cross them off the list? It's the
Rams are not losing, right, They're not losing to the Saints.
Speaker 1 (37:55):
And the Chargers aren't losing against the Titan I just correct.
Speaker 9 (37:58):
And the Packers are not losing to the Panthers. So
let's cross those off. Can you find one now?
Speaker 1 (38:06):
Like?
Speaker 5 (38:06):
Can you make a case for the Vikings in the division?
Speaker 3 (38:10):
No?
Speaker 5 (38:11):
I can't see it either.
Speaker 3 (38:12):
I'll tell you.
Speaker 5 (38:14):
You're gonna get you go first.
Speaker 1 (38:16):
I the Raiders beating the Jaguars in Vegas?
Speaker 5 (38:19):
Is that really an upset? I mean and a half?
Speaker 1 (38:21):
Well, I mean, i'll tell you what I think. This
would be a huge upset, but the odds makers don't.
I think if the Steelers beat the Colts it's a
huge upset.
Speaker 3 (38:29):
But the line's three.
Speaker 9 (38:30):
Well, you want a huge upset, I'll give it to
you now.
Speaker 5 (38:32):
You're not gonna like it.
Speaker 9 (38:34):
But the Atlanta Falcons were at six and a half
of money has come in on the Falcons on the
road against the Patriots.
Speaker 5 (38:41):
Drake London's expected.
Speaker 9 (38:42):
Back, Michael Pennock's expected back, and there's some numbers on teams.
You used to do this where a team will lose
big as a favorite, and then they come back the
next week and they pull an upset, you know, Raheem
Morris fires up the troops and.
Speaker 5 (38:56):
They get their act together.
Speaker 9 (38:57):
By the way, the Patriots haven't faced anybody good lately,
Colin An, So maybe you can make a case for
the Falcons, but it's outdoors.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
You know what's interesting about the NFL is that Tom
Brady and Joe Flacco and Matt Stafford and now Jared
Goff it feels like a little bit of an older
quarterback is that once again it is proving in this league.
I mean Brady couldn't run, Flacco doesn't move, Golf doesn't
move at all. Aaron Rodgers having a very good year. Right,
(39:28):
We fall in love with athletic ability. How are these
old guys working at such a high level. Cause ninety
percent a quarterback play is sitting in the pocket, pre
snap reads, getting your guys in the right place. It's
it's it is a above the shoulders is about seventy
(39:48):
five percent. Flacco could drop forty this weekend. You would
not be shocked. So it's like when I watched Flacco,
it's so instructive. You watch Flacco, you watch Stafford, you
watched old Brady, and you're watching old Aaron Rodgers. The
Steemers offense has been so inefficient and so clunky and outdated.
(40:08):
Now it brings in a forty one year old and
they're great in the red zone. Why because Aaron has
seen every defense. So we fall in love with all
the horsepower.
Speaker 3 (40:17):
Folks.
Speaker 1 (40:17):
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Here we go, it's our two, Greg Hose. In a
couple of minutes, we are live in Chicago. It is
The Herd. Halloween tomorrow, Lamar Jackson Tonight, the Dodgers in
big trouble. The Lakers are in an interesting place, whereas
Austin Reeves without Lebron and without Luca new ownership is
putting up massive numbers. Could he be a great trade piece?
(00:50):
You know, I said this yesterday. Is between Lebron, Luca
and Austin Reeves. You have three guys that need the
ball in their hands. In fact, when Lebron plays in
Lebron that you should see Austin Reeves numbers. He's a
different player, so are they maximizing what he does?
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Now? It's last night.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
They beat Minnesota. Yeah, I don't take I don't even
talk a lot of NBA in October, November, and December.
Same with college basketball. So teams are haven't really figured
out their you know, defensive alignments. There's experimenting. There's a
lot of guys that are playing themselves into shape. But
it is a great space for the new Laker owners
(01:28):
to be in. They have not extended Lebron reportedly he's
in his fields A little bit about that. But you know,
Austin Reeves, luc and JJ Reddick. If you said that's
the future of the Lakers, I still think they have
no rim protector. I don't think they're athletic enough on
the wing. I think sometimes Austin Reeves and Luca sort
of duplicate their straints. They get to the line, they
(01:49):
can score. They're not great defenders. It's duplication, but it
is impressive. Here's he now, he missed fourteen shots, and
here's Austin.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
After they'll probably tell me I sucked because it's like
fourteen shots.
Speaker 5 (02:02):
Well, get back my brother and Lebron, everybody get back.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Great night. Austin Reeves all right with that?
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Forty six years working at NFL Films, he is always
our Thursday Encyclopedia. Greg Cosel is now joining us. All right,
let's let's let's dive into Kansas City in Buffalo. So
you know players who don't necessarily work in other places Hollywood,
Brown or don't work to the level Juju Smith Schuster
(02:30):
that do in Kansas City. We've talked about is it
just Andy, is it Mahomes? But I think Rashi Rice
is a one and I think Worthy.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
Is a two.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
But they do a really good job of fun making
everything kind of work right, like they just find a play.
I mean, sky Moore has a wide open touchdown in
the Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
I look at their I look at.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Their receiving room, and I'm like, man, there's a lot
of different types and sizes. What do you see right
now with Kansas City's off, I think.
Speaker 6 (03:01):
A lot goes into that colin as it often does
with good quarterbacks, great quarterbacks.
Speaker 7 (03:06):
Maholmes is one of the most fascinating.
Speaker 6 (03:08):
Quarterbacks that I think I've studied in all my years
evaluating quarterbacks. And it's the reason why there were some
people when he came out of college were.
Speaker 7 (03:17):
Uncertain as to what he would be as a pro.
Speaker 6 (03:19):
But the more and more you watch him, I don't
think we've ever seen a quarterback with his spatial awareness
and his vision. There's a term that I've heard called
fighter pilot's vision.
Speaker 7 (03:31):
And he kind of has that.
Speaker 6 (03:32):
He may be may have the best spatial awareness and
fighter pilot's vision that we've ever seen. And it's just
remarkable the way. I mean, the second half of the
game the other night on Monday Night was really all
of him making improvisational second reaction plays. That wasn't a
second half of playing within structure. Their best instructure play
(03:53):
came in the first half when he hit Kelsey on
one of their staple flood concepts for I think thirty
plus yards. But he just has an unbelievable knack for
making these plays. Now, he'll leave throws on the field
and then he'll run around and make a play, and
it's just those are the kinds of things when you
watch him, you go, I wonder how they deal with that.
(04:14):
Do they just say great play, Patrick, or do they say, hey,
we had this play design and you didn't throw it,
and you know, next time throw it.
Speaker 7 (04:21):
I don't know how they deal with that.
Speaker 6 (04:23):
But he just has an uncanny ability that is arguably
the best we've ever seen.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
How does Buffalo's offense match up with Spags and the
Chief's defense.
Speaker 6 (04:33):
I tell you, Buffalo's offense the last number of weeks
has not been a great watch. And I'm just being
on a space purely on tape study. I don't think,
and I'm not saying this sarcastically, the way they've been playing,
I don't think they can beat this defense, this Chiefs
defense running the ball the way they have I'm not
saying they shouldn't run it, but running the ball with
that kind of production success and throwing tunnel screens and
(04:57):
five yard passes. Josh Allen the last couple of weeks
has not looked like the Josh Allen were used to now.
He's been leaving the pocket prematurely. He's making too many plays,
random improvisations, and when they don't work, you end up
short circuiting your offense. So I think Josh Allen has
to get back to playing much more of the way
he did last year, where he was much more calmer,
(05:20):
much more composed. This was not a very good game
for him this past week, but they didn't need it.
Speaker 7 (05:26):
He's going to have to.
Speaker 6 (05:26):
Play well in history, suggests Colin in this matchup that
he's going to have to drop back forty times. I mean,
that's the way this matchup has gone. They've played nine
times over what the last four years, and Josh Allen
has been great in almost all of those games. But
he's thrown the ball probably at least thirty plus times
in every one of those games. And I would not
(05:46):
expect this game to be any different.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
All Right, I watched the Packers and the Steelers, let's talk.
For the last four to five years, Pittsburgh's defense has
been the most expensive. But in the second half against Seattle,
in the second half against Green Bay, against Joe Flacco,
I'm left wondering they're not even a good tackling team
at times?
Speaker 7 (06:07):
Tall right right?
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Is it scheme?
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Is it coaching? Is it personnel? What is wrong with
Pittsburgh's defense?
Speaker 7 (06:14):
I think you're dealing with two things when it comes.
Speaker 6 (06:16):
To the pass defense, because they give up the most
passing yards in the NFL. People probably thought the Cowboys,
but it's actually the Steelers. And I think they're struggling
with lack of pass rush, which would be a surprise,
and combine that with lack of quality corner play right now,
and when you have a lack of pass rush and
a lack of quality corner play. You've got an issue,
and that's what the main problem is right now.
Speaker 7 (06:38):
And obviously they've just come off.
Speaker 6 (06:40):
A game playing against Jordan Love, and Jordan Love he's
become a joy to watch because there's now a controlled
efficiency column to the way in which he plays. I mean,
he was a guy that was reckless a bit at
times through his first two years. I'm sure he will
be at times just because he's capable of making those
kinds of plays. But now there's kind of a controlled
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efficiency to the way in which he plays.
Speaker 7 (07:05):
There's a calculation.
Speaker 6 (07:07):
He's taking the throws that are there rather than chasing plays,
and that just helps your offense stay on schedule. And
you and I both know that Matt Lafleur at his
core would like to run the ball. And when it's
first and ten and they show you a six yard completion,
now Jordan Love is taking the six yard completion and
it's second and four, and now Matt Leaflour can run
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the ball. So he's really allowing mattel Laflor's offense to
really flourish the way they want it to be.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
So I want to talk about the Ravens.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
But before I talked strictly about the Ravens tonight, I
want to talk about Caleb against the Ravens.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
It was interesting.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
It was one of my blazing five picks, and when
I was told Lamar wasn't going to play, my take is, well,
it's in Baltimore.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
It's an NFC team.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Caleb has been outside of the opening drive a little erratic.
I think Baltimore can beat him. What did the tape say,
all these years doing it on Caleb against a finally
healthier Ravens defense.
Speaker 7 (08:08):
Yeah, I thought.
Speaker 6 (08:08):
Actually, Caleb showed some positive signs in this game. I
think they'll still be uneven moments and ups and downs,
but I think, and again, this is what I look
for when I watch Kale. I look for playing with
excellent timing and rhythm within structure, because that's really what
the Ben Johnson offense is. And Caleb at his core
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is not a true natural timing anticipation player, so it's
going to be baby steps. And I think there were
some signs of positive plays this week, some snapshots where
I said, as I.
Speaker 7 (08:41):
Was watching the tape, that's pretty good.
Speaker 6 (08:43):
Now a lot of people are probably going to look
at the interception which he was late with that throw.
He was late by two beats. It was a bad decision,
but also a dunes. They ran a really bad route.
He drifted rather than flattened, and he made it easy
for the corner Wiggans to undercut it. But I thought
there was positive signs this week, and we'll see. It's
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going to be a process, Colin, and I think I
think you almost have to accept that Caleb Williams is
really in his rookie season, not in his second season.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
Baltimore's defense is healthy. What do you see positively from that?
Speaker 6 (09:18):
I love the way they're using Kyle Hamilton now, he's
back being kind of there slot, overhanging, multi dimensional player.
They use him as a blitzer, they line him up
on the ball, off the ball, he's used on stunts as.
Speaker 7 (09:30):
Both a looper and a picker.
Speaker 6 (09:32):
I mean to me, he's really, in many ways the
key to what they're doing right now. And I'll tell
you the rookie from Marshall Green he's getting a ton
of snaps on the edge and he's showing up. But
to me, it's Kyle Hamilton who is really the main
guy right now he's such a unique player, and there's
more and more guys actually coming into the league like that.
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Seattle has won in nick A Minwari, who's basically the
same size as Kyle Hamilton and being deployed by Mike
McDonald who he had Kyle Hamilton a.
Speaker 7 (10:01):
Few years ago.
Speaker 6 (10:02):
So, but Kyle Hamilton, to me, really stands out when
you watch the tape of the of the Ravens defense.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
So this isn't great for Aj Brown, but he doesn't play,
and the Eagles offense is hummon.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
Now I love Devonte Smith. I mean, I listen. They
have really good personnel.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
But I've said this before, he's not necessarily an adversary.
But there are players that there are wide receivers and
quarterbacks or wide receivers that are loaners or kind of
guys on an island that don't fit a particular scheme.
And when I think of the Eagles, I always think
of the tushbush, which is an ugly collective. You know,
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it's two yards, it's ugly, it's inartistic. AJ Brown's beautiful,
he goes deep, he makes the great catch, you know,
so does he fit perfectly? Why were they so successful
last week without.
Speaker 6 (10:52):
Him, well, I would say this last week they were
back to the template of the way they performed last
season when they won the Super Keep in mind that
this team operates best when the run game is the
foundation and Jalen Hurts drop back, drops back less than
thirty times.
Speaker 7 (11:09):
That was the profile a week ago.
Speaker 6 (11:12):
They got the run game going, they rush for two
hundred and seventy six yards. Now, you're not going to
rush for two seventy six every week, But the point
is the run game was the guiding foundation of how
they played. I keep reminding people that last year during
the Super Bowl season, Jalen Hurts through for less than
two hundred yards nine or ten times. Jalen Hurts is
a phenomenal player in terms of he never turns it over,
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and they're phenomenal in the red zone, of which Jalen
Hurts is a major factor. They have the highest red
zone touchdown efficiency percentage in the league right now, and
they don't get there as much as a lot of teams,
but when they get there, they score. So they're at
their best when they play a certain way, and that
way does not really detail Jalen Hurts dropping back forty
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or forty five times, so there are going to be
games in which aj Brown does not necessarily.
Speaker 7 (12:01):
Get a lot of targets.
Speaker 6 (12:03):
This is just who the Eagles are on offense, and
when it works, they're really really good at it.
Speaker 7 (12:07):
But it's not built on dropping back and throwing the ball.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
So it's interesting.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
I know Shane Steichen's a great coach, and Daniel Jones
is having a waderful year and Jonathan Taylor's always been good,
but we don't talk offensive lines. And it was about
I don't remember when the game was, five weeks ago,
whenever it was they played, they played Denver, and that's
when I came out and said, folks, the Colts O
line is in that Detroit Philly space, like they are
(12:36):
pushing people around. How when you watch the offense, who
are you going to give credit to? Because I mean,
the Rams beat them, but actually Indy had them beat, right,
what do you make of their offense?
Speaker 7 (12:52):
Well, you're right.
Speaker 6 (12:53):
About the old line, and I'm not an O line
you know, guru by any means, Colin, But when I
watched Quinn Nelson get out and pull, and I think
there's two guys you watch pull in this league, get
out front in Trent Williams and Quentin Nelson, and you go,
oh my god, how can people that big move like that?
Speaker 8 (13:07):
You know?
Speaker 6 (13:09):
But I think where they're so so good, and this
is Shane Steichen and I'm sure it's his influence is
on first down. I mean, we all think about Jonathan Taylor, right,
Isn't he the guy you think of when you think
of their offense? But right now, through eight weeks, Daniel
Jones has far and away the most first down passing
yards of any quarterback in the league. And I'm not
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sure people would think that way about this offense. They
think about Jonathan Taylor, by the way, he's terrific on
first down two, But Daniel Jones, with the schematics of
this pass game on first down, they've allowed Daniel Jones
to really flourish because the reds and the throws are defined.
It's always been the best down to throw on first down,
and they are really maximizing their ability.
Speaker 7 (13:53):
They've gained the most yards total on first down by
a wide margin.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
So it's interesting. I like the Texans to be the Niners.
Last week one of them aw's health. But I said
this when I watched C. J. Stroud and you give
him just that extra beat.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
I love what the ball looks like coming out of
his hands. It's beautiful, it really is. It just flies
out of his hands. It's got juice, it's accurate. And
what did you make of his performance against the Niners.
Speaker 6 (14:23):
Yeah, and he doesn't need to step into his throats
to throw a beautiful ball, which is a really good thing.
I thought last week he looked to me like he
did as a rookie when we all thought that he
was on his way to being, you know, maybe a
top five quarterback in the league. And last year was
very uneven and through the first six seven weeks this
season was very uneven. Now, granted, he played against the
defense that couldn't rush the quarterback particularly well, but he
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also made some very good throws in this game where
the pocket was squeezed and he was under pressure. So
this was the game where I, you know, and again
we don't know what's going to happen this week. Obviously
they play a very tough defense in the Broncos, so
you just don't know. But this was a game where
you say, if he can get back to playing like this,
then the Texans really have a chance to get back,
and I want to show you a play if we
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can get to our play from last week, that I
think really speaks to how well he played. If we
could use this one play, it's kind of a microcosm
of how we played last week. It was the thirty
yard touchdown to Xavier Hutchinson, and there's some really nice
elements to this play, particularly with how they designed it
and with Stroud. Now it was third down obviously, so
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third down is a money down. So now you're going
to see Stroud in the gun and what they are
going to do is they're going to take Braxton Barrios
and he's going to go in what we call short
burst motion outside.
Speaker 7 (15:38):
So they know with that motion that they're going to
get manned.
Speaker 6 (15:41):
The corner bumps out and you're going to see that
they're going to get the match up to the trip
side there.
Speaker 7 (15:47):
It's going to be man coverage. It will end up
being cover one.
Speaker 6 (15:50):
Because the safety to the short side of the field
is going to end up rotating into the post and
he's going to be the post safety in cover one.
So now what are they run is a route concept.
We're going to focus on two guys, Wayne and Hutchinson,
and they're going to run a concept that's in everybody's playbook.
Speaker 7 (16:06):
It's double dig It's a very common route concept.
Speaker 6 (16:10):
Now the forty nine ers on this particular play and
they did this throughout the game because they couldn't generate
any pressure.
Speaker 7 (16:17):
They rushed six here.
Speaker 6 (16:18):
And the reason they rush six is because they know
the back is going to have to end up being
part of the protection because of this six man pressure.
So they're still playing cover one though, so they're rushing six.
So now what you end up with is Hutchinson. He's
matched on his safety. So this is what you wanted.
You wanted this matchup and they got it. And this
is a beautiful throw. But now we're going to take
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a look at this colin from behind Stroud because you're
going to see just what I mean about being able
to throw from squeeze.
Speaker 7 (16:47):
Pockets and how good a throw this is.
Speaker 6 (16:49):
This is Michael Williams, who's a stand up rusher here,
and he's going to get inside and he's going to
get in Stroud's face. I mean, you talked about him
the way he can throw the ball. He doesn't even
need to step into this at all. And you can
see the matchup. And what makes this even more special
is he really has to throw this to a spot.
He has to throw this with anticipation right now. He
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can't wait for the receiver. Then it's too late, so
he's throwing this to a spot and you'll see the
pressure that Williams puts on him. This is big time
NFL quarterbacking right here. And by the way, this is
the kind of player Stroud has to be because even
though he's not a statue, you and I both know Colin,
at his core.
Speaker 7 (17:29):
He's a pocket player.
Speaker 6 (17:31):
You know, if he's going to be a great quarterback
in this league, it's going to have to be from
the pocket.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
Greg Cosel forty six years at NFL Films as always, Greg,
great stuff.
Speaker 7 (17:42):
Thanks, Colin, really appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
What's interesting about CJ.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
Stroud When he came out, his comp was Jared Goff,
and then he watched him against he was like Georgia
and he ran a little bit more like Jared Goff
with some wiggle. It's kind of what he is. It's
he throws absolutely one of the best. Mean Stafford throws
the prettiest ball in the league.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
I think c J.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
Stroud, Herbert Burrow when he's healthy, are right behind him,
Jared Goff. But when you watch sometimes it just looks
different with the great Ones, Aaron Rodgers, Dan Marino, it
looked different when C. J. Stroud can plant and not
even plant, it looks different. That's what I was saying
about the kid from Alabama, Ty Simpson. I don't see juice.
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It doesn't fly out. It doesn't look different. Drake may
ball looks different. It just comes out tight, low velocity, accurate.
It's hard to explain. It's it's the it. It just
looks different. Jack. Did you notice what he said about
the Buffalo Bills matchup against Kansas City.
Speaker 5 (18:43):
I'm not very aware.
Speaker 9 (18:45):
Yes, yes, can we rescind our bet on the No? No, no,
I still like it. It's interesting on Stroud so when
he has time to plant and throw. Great Niners have
no pass rush without huffs and Bosa Denver has the
most highest pressure.
Speaker 5 (18:58):
Rate in the league.
Speaker 7 (18:59):
Gum.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Yeah, so easy to have time to throw. It's a
stay away game for me. I want to watch it.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
I don't have a strong feeling. I had a strong
feeling last week. I like Houston over Niners. Don't have
a strong I was with you.
Speaker 7 (19:09):
It's funny.
Speaker 5 (19:10):
There's a couple go either way games.
Speaker 9 (19:11):
I put Colt Steelers in that because just the pits
history of Pittsburgh at home. But other than that, it
seems like blowout city across the board, Rams, Packers, Chargers,
all huge favorite Lions. Have you seen that line? I mean,
Vikings offensive line is in shambles. I mean it seems
like it's going to be blowouts or really close nip
and tuck games.
Speaker 5 (19:31):
Makes it tough for the gamblers coling.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Yeah, I think, and I said this last year. Last
year was the first time that I remember that the
bottom of the NFL felt like the bottom of the NBA.
Is that my two months in, you're like, it's not
really competitive? And I think there's a couple of reasons
for this. Number one is the league has become so
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quarterback reliant. If you don't have one, it is ugly fast.
And the other reason is because all the the owners
now are billionaires instead of one hundred millionaires, and they
are much more willing to blow up a staff at
a moment's notice. And so you're getting these revolving doors
and these turn styles in the front office. I mean
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it's not I mean, think about this Kansas City and
Detroit and the Rams and Green Bay. You kind of
know who's in the front office. They'll make an occasional
defensive coordinator change. The only team in this league that
makes a lot of moves and is good is Philadelphia.
They tend to be They'll move off a quarterback, they'll
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they do things that bad organizations do. But they are
so well owned and so smartly run that it's okay
for them. But and there's a lot of noise around
the Eagles, you know, like good teams, there's not a
lot of noise. I mean, you live in Los Angeles,
you can't see Rams players.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
They hide. You just don't.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
It's not a thing. And so the best teams are
usually a little quiet. They keep their gms, they keep
their scouting directors, they keep their coordinators. But it's just
I feel the same way the last two weeks. I
don't generally like taking favorites. I'm having to talk myself
in to the Washington commanders on Sunday night. I'm having
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to talk myself into it. Well, because I'm not gonna
take five favorites.
Speaker 5 (21:19):
Well, what about the Bears your Bears.
Speaker 9 (21:21):
By the way, they may face Jake Browning instead of
Joe Flacco. I don't know if you saw that news.
Joe Flacco's got an ac joint. Sprain and Jake Browning
maybe understand art the Bears a slight favorite. Bears are
a favorite, but that's gonna go up. Remember Jamar Chase
was like ticked off playing with Jake Browning. Flacco comes in,
He's getting nineteen targets a game. So yeah, Bears all
of a sudden, look interesting. I think you're right about
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the quarterbacks, man, and we're gonna find out. Can JJ
McCarthy play. We may find that out against a nutches
into company Sunday.
Speaker 5 (21:49):
I don't know the answer.
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Speaker 1 (22:39):
Always so many surprises. In October, Toronto Blue Jays heading
back to Canada three to two lead. All the Dodgers'
one hundred million dollar bats have dried up in the
last two games.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
Here's Jmac with the news.
Speaker 7 (22:56):
No, no, turn on the news.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
This is the line news.
Speaker 9 (23:01):
All right, Colin, Let's start with our very own Tom Brady,
friend of the show, obviously announcer here at Fox. He
put together a weekly power rankings and wouldn't you believe it,
he's got an eye on Jordan Love as an MVP
dark horse.
Speaker 5 (23:18):
Tom Brady here he is talking about Jordan Love.
Speaker 11 (23:22):
Pittsburgh's one of the toughest places to play in the NFL.
In Green Bay troil most of the game before a
monster fourth quarter. That's the kind of calm under pressure
that I like to see from a young quarterback who
might be starting to ascend this season. Keep an eye
on Jordan Love is a dark horse in the MVP race.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
Yeah, I don't know if it's a dark horse. Now
I think I.
Speaker 5 (23:43):
Think, you know, he might winn the damn thing.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
Yeah, and I.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
Think he's really good. I think I think it's obvious now.
He had such a weird First of all, we didn't
watch him in college, unlike a lot of the guys.
Speaker 9 (23:54):
You were watching Utah State come So we.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
Didn't watch him in college. Then he didn't play for
three years. You couldn't get on. And in his first
five or six games, Matt Leafluor called him out at
the podium, and then he's very good in the last
seven or eight games, and then the next year he
gets hurt, and so we kind of came into this year.
It was like the old joke about is Joe Flacco
elite and you don't really know. Listen, turn the sound
(24:16):
down and I do this all the time. Turn this
sound down and watch Jordan Love movement, arm, accuracy, confidence,
He's just I mean, it's really weird. I was thinking
about this the other day. You start listing the ten
best quarterbacks in the league. We have so many good
(24:36):
quarterbacks now, I don't even know where to put Sam Darnold,
Where do I put Baker Mayfield?
Speaker 3 (24:41):
Where do I.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Put Dak Prescott? All of them to me are below
Jordan Love. I think he's just younger, healthier. I think
he's got equal the arm. I think he moves better
than most. What do you do with Daniel Jones? Now?
Speaker 3 (24:55):
What do you do with CJ. Stroud?
Speaker 1 (24:57):
The quality of quarterback play? Now, I don't even think
it's a slight. You could put Jordan Love at like nine,
and he is an MVP favorite, you know after.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
The weekend, Like it's just so good right now.
Speaker 9 (25:10):
So you know, we've talked about this the MVP discussion
nationally on radio, podcast TV. It's kind of weak. Brady
makes a good point here. Love is plus eighteen hundred
right now. That's actually a smart bet. And I'm gonna
tell you why. The Packers if they win the NFC
coll and get the number one seed, he's gonna be
either the winner or the runner up.
Speaker 5 (25:29):
That's how it works.
Speaker 9 (25:30):
The media votes for the quarterback on the best or
second best team in the league.
Speaker 5 (25:34):
How about this one? Are you ready?
Speaker 9 (25:36):
Week seventeen, Green Bay Packers host the Baltimore Ravens's good.
That could be for the MVP. If Jordan Love wins
that game in week seventeen, it's probably gonna be flex
to Sunday Night Football. That will be for the MVP. Now,
Lamar may not be able to win it because he's
missed some games, but Jordan Love puts up four touchdowns
on the Ravens defense and they win and lock up
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the number one. You know what I'm telling you, Jordan
loves winning the MVP. I think he's in that scenario.
Speaker 7 (26:02):
Obviously.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
Think about this.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
Think about the Packers have hit on three straight superstar quarterbacks.
Did they get them from Alabama, Ohio State, Notre Dame?
They got them from Southern miss Cow and Utah State.
That is doing your homework. Think about that. That's their
three star They didn't go to USC, they didn't go
to LSU, Southern Miss Cow and Utah State. Okay, that
(26:28):
is knowing what you're doing.
Speaker 5 (26:31):
Do you remember.
Speaker 9 (26:32):
Actually, I don't know if you've seen this, So some
meatball put together online a list of quarterbacks that the
Packers have had the last thirty years, and then the
rest of the division and the Lions have like twenty
five quarterbacks. The Vikings have like thirty it's hysterical and
the Packers have three. That's it for thirty years. Why
is the guy who did that a meet? Well, you
know he's trying to make some point about the Packers.
(26:53):
And I like making fun of people online who are
anonymous because they usually come after me. Final note, do
you remember Brock Perty was playing for the MV two
years ago against Lamar? I think it was Christmas night?
Do you remember that game? Perty had four picks. You
came on here and savage it and he lost the
MVP that night. He was right there. I think he
ended up third behind Dak and Lamar. But that's how
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it's gonna work. Jordan Love a good bet I think
for MVP. Next up com Let's go to the Minnesota Vikings.
They are trying to avoid a third straight loss.
Speaker 5 (27:22):
Man.
Speaker 9 (27:23):
That Chargers game was bad last Thursday. JJ McCarthy is
back at full health. The ankle's all good. He's gonna
start against the Lions. I'm fascinated McCarthy. He feels confident
in his ankle heading into Sunday.
Speaker 4 (27:35):
Everything in my past, you know how I went about things.
It was always like if I felt, you know, ten
percent fifteen percent. I was gonna go out there and
give it my all, but understanding, you know how this
league works and you know how everything operates. I was
just listening, you know, to my trainers and coach O'Connell,
and you know, obeying orders at the end of the day.
But I think it was the smartest thing possible. And
I feel great. I feel like myself again. I feel
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like I, you know, have those mobility things that I
was concerned about, you know, going into last week, in
the prior weeks.
Speaker 8 (28:04):
So yeah, ready to go.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
For the record.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
We always root for quarterbacks on this show because the
quality of play is better and because the guys get
hurt all the time. I am hoping this is a
twenty eight to twenty seven shootout.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
I don't care who wins.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
I want to see the Kevin O'Connell's too good of
a coach to be scrambling to find like Shane Stikeen
with Anthony Richardson, You're like, this guy's too good of
a coach. Give him somebody he can elevate. I want
to see JJ McCarthy flourish this weekend. I don't know
if you will, but playing, you know, Detroit at home
is a track team, but I'm rooting for him, not
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rooting against him. The league at one o'clock window on Sunday,
I can only take so many bad quarterbacks, So.
Speaker 9 (28:47):
I'm looking at the injury report we're waiting for today.
But the offensive line for the Vikings is one to
watch Colin. If they don't have it against Hutcheson and McNeil,
they're in trouble. And I this is there's a lot
of noise or do you pay.
Speaker 5 (28:59):
Attention the Vikings.
Speaker 9 (29:00):
There's a lot of people right now kind of upset
with Kevin O'Connell, who apparently was ready for satanhood before
the season and now it's like, hold up, hold up.
You guys had Daniel Jones and Sam Darnold on the roster,
they're both going to the playoffs and we're stuck with
McCarthy and broken Carson Wentz. So there are people like
upset right now with the Vikings. I don't totally get
it because I believe.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
In o'connelle well, okay, just a reminder, it's hard. Everybody
wanted Chris Ballard fired last year the GM and then
you watch him now with a confident quarterback and you're like, God,
they're mauling good teams. They're dominating because they've been drafting well.
They just couldn't find the quarterback. Kevin O'Connell's a great
top ten coach. Agree, you don't get the quarterback right.
(29:43):
Everybody looks dumb in the organization. Everybody Kevin Stefanski is
a great coach. They can't get the quarterback right. So
I my take in all this stuff is Kevin Stefanski,
Kevin O'Connell. I said this before. I can love a company,
but not love the current stock price. Can love a coach,
don't like his current quarterbackers situation. Kevin O'Connell's great, Stefanski's great.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
They don't ever goe yet.
Speaker 9 (30:08):
Final story, Colin is another one of your favorites. We'd
love to talk about guys you like on this show.
Drake May What a season he's having six and two.
He's really cooking on the deep ball. One of the
best deep ball throwers in the league this season. Now,
as I keep pointing out, they are beating some of
the cellar dwellers around the NFL. Here's Falcons DC Jeff Ulbrich,
(30:30):
who by the way, was with the Jets last year
and it was a little bit about Drake May. Here
he is talking about the young most.
Speaker 8 (30:35):
Challenge being the AFC East for four years. Got very
familiar with Drake, especially the last couple and he's way
better than I wanted him to be. He feels like
a mini Josh Allen, like a younger Josh Allen in
a lot of ways. His mobility, his arm strength, the
way he can take a game over with both fastest
of the game. So he's going to be a He's
(30:57):
a problem.
Speaker 9 (30:59):
Now, before you scoff at the mini Josh Allen comment,
our crack staff put together a matchup of Drake May's
first twenty starts against Josh Allen's Are you ready calling?
Speaker 3 (31:09):
No, I can guarantee you Yeah, Drake May's are better. Yeah.
It doesn't stark me at all.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
I mean I came from a better conference, he had
better competition, he was a more refined project prospect, so
it didn't surprise me. Yeah, and I don't think it's crazy.
I think Drake May is going to be a multiple
time Pro Bowl or doesn't surprise me. I think he's
justin Herbert East Coast version.
Speaker 5 (31:31):
That's not bad. You know saying I like Colin. So
I remember I was higher on May.
Speaker 9 (31:36):
Than Daniels coming out of the draft, and I was
I looked wrong, but I wasn't wrong.
Speaker 5 (31:40):
I was just early.
Speaker 9 (31:41):
Drake May is legit and frankly he's having as good
as season now as Jaden Daniels had last year.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
And he's a bigger guy that gets hurt less than
that matters. That's why a lot of.
Speaker 9 (31:50):
Concussion ten three times this season. So we gotta button
that up.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
But these young guys don't know how to slide. Drake
May last week brutal, like dude slide practice. Tom Brady
used to practice getting sacked. It's not asking much, but
Drake Mate practices how to slide.
Speaker 3 (32:07):
It's not a big ask or you're gonna get hurt.
J mcklanews, Okay, well that's the news, and thanks for
stopping by the.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
Heard Line News.
Speaker 3 (32:15):
Well, you know I was.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
It's Halloween tomorrow and we're gonna have some fun a
little quarterback candy comp also Diana Russini breaking news potentially
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Speaker 2 (32:28):
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Speaker 9 (32:38):
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Speaker 1 (32:49):
All Right, j Mac, Halloween is tomorrow. Our staff already
gets into it. You can see all the ghosts hovering.
If you're listening on radio, you should turn on FS one.
All the ghosts hover ring in and out of our set.
So everybody's all fired up for this, and I thought,
you know, we'll give a little bit back.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
I like candy.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
I'm just knocking out, just knocked out a little kit
cat bar here. Oh gross, Oh my god. It's great
life saver gummies.
Speaker 9 (33:14):
Yes, I.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
Don't care what they say about red dye. I love it.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
I've got a couple snickers here, So we're gonna do it.
You give me a quarterback and I will give you
his candy com all right.
Speaker 9 (33:27):
Can't which Halloween candy is?
Speaker 1 (33:29):
Patrick momes easiest one, Reese's Peanut butter Cup, most popular, best.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
In the game right now. Patrick leaves the.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
NFL in total touchdowns and ranke second total yards this
year on a heater that is easily by the way
the most ordered Halloween candy by a long shot.
Speaker 9 (33:49):
As a kids say very nd. Which Halloween candy is Monicks?
Speaker 3 (33:54):
Bonicks is dark chocolate?
Speaker 5 (33:56):
I love him.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
I think it's an acquired taste. I'm not sure if
anybody else even likes it. I'm like eighty seven percent,
ninety two percent? What do I care?
Speaker 3 (34:05):
I mean?
Speaker 1 (34:06):
During his five game winning streak in the fourth quarter alone,
thirteen touchdowns, two picks, bonex baby bow beautiful?
Speaker 3 (34:13):
All right?
Speaker 9 (34:14):
Which Halloween candy is a Baker Mayfield warhead?
Speaker 1 (34:19):
Very intense, but you learn to love it. I mean, listen,
he leaves the NFL with eighty two touchdown passes since
joining the Bucks. He can be a little reckless. It
takes a while to get used to it. But you
know what, You're down a couple of those warheads.
Speaker 3 (34:35):
You're all in? All right?
Speaker 5 (34:37):
Which Halloween candy is Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
He's complex, and so is this candy the TUTSI rollpop.
It's got a hardened exterior, but it's totally different inside,
completely different inside.
Speaker 3 (34:53):
Listen, the Steelers are.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
Going to average twenty five a game, right, that's what
they're doing right now. That's their best in five six years.
So the TUTSI roll pop again. I'm not saying it's
great for your teeth. I'm not saying, but the outside
in the inside, it's very complex.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
It's two different candy.
Speaker 9 (35:11):
That's a good one. Which Halloween candy is Jalen Hurts
candy corn?
Speaker 1 (35:17):
A lot of people love it something, it's totally overrated.
He's won twenty two of us twenty of his last
twenty two games, so it's dependable.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
It's always there.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
But they have one of the highest third and out
percentages in the NFL. So you're either with it or
you're not at all. Love me some candy corner.
Speaker 5 (35:39):
Which Halloween candy is Matthew Stafford?
Speaker 3 (35:42):
We both love Stafford.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
He's all reliable, like the Hershey bar, you know what
you're getting, right, never bad. Leads the NFL in touchdown
passes and big plays, second highest quidded passer. I mean,
it goes with almost anything. A fifth round wide receiver,
a fifth round running back, an undrafted left tackle, the
(36:05):
classic thirty seven year old still good.
Speaker 5 (36:09):
Which Halloween candy is? Your guy?
Speaker 1 (36:10):
Caleb Williams, My god, the butterfinger sounds good, but is it?
Speaker 3 (36:18):
Yeah? I'm not sure if it is.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
I mean he's nine to fifteen completion percentage declined this season,
ranks twenty fourth.
Speaker 9 (36:28):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (36:28):
I used to get stuff in my teeth.
Speaker 9 (36:30):
I'm weird after taste. I don't know if I like it.
I like butterfinger, right, finally call him? Which Halloween candy is?
Trevor Lawrence? The staff came up with this mystery airhead.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
What you're never quite sure what you just experience?
Speaker 3 (36:49):
Well, what is it?
Speaker 1 (36:50):
He leaves the NFL with seventy four turnovers since he
entered the league, and his record is twenty six and
forty one.
Speaker 3 (36:58):
It's good, No, it's not. What is it?
Speaker 1 (37:02):
I'm not sure he's talented. He turns the ball over.
I don't know what to make it.
Speaker 3 (37:07):
Trevor Lawrence or the mystery airhead?
Speaker 9 (37:11):
Yeah, good stuff. I can't believe you don't like candy corn.
Bro come on, candy corn is so good.
Speaker 3 (37:16):
It's a little bit like candle wax, a little bit.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
How. I'm a texture guy. I can't there's certain textures
I can't do.
Speaker 5 (37:26):
I gotta be honest.
Speaker 9 (37:27):
I'm shocked that Reese's Peanut butter cups are like the
most popular by a mile.
Speaker 5 (37:32):
I had no clue those are I just yeah, Wow,
that's sunning.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
All right, here's the NFL schedule a JMAX this weekend.
I usually ask you on Thursdays, I want the big upset.
Oh boy, I don't see a big upset.
Speaker 9 (37:50):
Why don't we cross them off the list? It's the
Rams are not losing, right, They're not losing to the Saints.
Speaker 1 (37:55):
And the Chargers aren't losing against the Titan I just correct.
Speaker 9 (37:58):
And the Packers are not losing to the Panthers. So
let's cross those off. Can you find one now?
Speaker 1 (38:06):
Like?
Speaker 5 (38:06):
Can you make a case for the Vikings in the division?
Speaker 3 (38:10):
No?
Speaker 5 (38:11):
I can't see it either.
Speaker 3 (38:12):
I'll tell you.
Speaker 5 (38:14):
You're gonna get you go first.
Speaker 1 (38:16):
I the Raiders beating the Jaguars in Vegas?
Speaker 5 (38:19):
Is that really an upset? I mean and a half?
Speaker 1 (38:21):
Well, I mean, i'll tell you what I think. This
would be a huge upset, but the odds makers don't.
I think if the Steelers beat the Colts it's a
huge upset.
Speaker 3 (38:29):
But the line's three.
Speaker 9 (38:30):
Well, you want a huge upset, I'll give it to
you now.
Speaker 5 (38:32):
You're not gonna like it.
Speaker 9 (38:34):
But the Atlanta Falcons were at six and a half
of money has come in on the Falcons on the
road against the Patriots.
Speaker 5 (38:41):
Drake London's expected.
Speaker 9 (38:42):
Back, Michael Pennock's expected back, and there's some numbers on teams.
You used to do this where a team will lose
big as a favorite, and then they come back the
next week and they pull an upset, you know, Raheem
Morris fires up the troops and.
Speaker 5 (38:56):
They get their act together.
Speaker 9 (38:57):
By the way, the Patriots haven't faced anybody good lately,
Colin An, So maybe you can make a case for
the Falcons, but it's outdoors.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
You know what's interesting about the NFL is that Tom
Brady and Joe Flacco and Matt Stafford and now Jared
Goff it feels like a little bit of an older
quarterback is that once again it is proving in this league.
I mean Brady couldn't run, Flacco doesn't move, Golf doesn't
move at all. Aaron Rodgers having a very good year. Right,
(39:28):
We fall in love with athletic ability. How are these
old guys working at such a high level. Cause ninety
percent a quarterback play is sitting in the pocket, pre
snap reads, getting your guys in the right place. It's
it's it is a above the shoulders is about seventy
(39:48):
five percent. Flacco could drop forty this weekend. You would
not be shocked. So it's like when I watched Flacco,
it's so instructive. You watch Flacco, you watch Stafford, you
watched old Brady, and you're watching old Aaron Rodgers. The
Steemers offense has been so inefficient and so clunky and outdated.
(40:08):
Now it brings in a forty one year old and
they're great in the red zone. Why because Aaron has
seen every defense. So we fall in love with all
the horsepower.
Speaker 3 (40:17):
Folks.
Speaker 1 (40:17):
It's all about figuring out what's coming audibling protections, getting
out of trouble, getting into matchup advantages, trade deadline. Diana
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