Colin delivers his latest “Colin Right, Colin Wrong”, calling out what he nailed about Aaron Rodgers’ resurgence and where he missed on the Green Bay Packers
Then, 3-time Pro Bowl quarterback Matt Hasselbeck joins the show to discuss the Chicago Bears’ offensive turnaround, why rookie QB Caleb Williams is already showing tons of promise, and why Hasselbeck believes head coach Ben Johnson is building something special in Chicago
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Speaker 3 (00:53):
Now Bill's got to win. I'm wearing some Buffalo Bill's
tellers today.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
Just for you cowboys tonight, you know, with their favorite
now by three and a half, with Kyler playing a role?
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Is that a soft benching? By the way, what is
that kind of isn't it? Is he healthy?
Speaker 5 (01:08):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (01:08):
I think he is. I thought he was a first
as quarterback.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
All right, here we go on Monday. Colin Wright, Colin
Wrong plenty of both. Where Colin was right, I said,
when Sam Donald gets drafted, I said, he's not Andrew Luck,
but he's like eighty eighty five percent of Andrew Luck. Tough, athletic,
big arm. PFF has him number one third in the
passer rating. Nobody can work with a Jets. That's Siberia.
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Aaron Rodgers looked one hundred years old with the Jets.
Look at him now. The bottom line is Sam Donald
needed a better fit. He's just too damn talented to
not make it in this league. And he was sixteen
for sixteen in the first half. I said, not Andrew Luck,
but his comp is somewhere close to Andrew Luck, and it.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Looks like it. Where Colin was wrong, I.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Thought Kansas City was the best team in the league.
But it's weird when these two teams play. I feel
like what happened in the game. Before the game, they're
playing ten times, they've met, they're five and five, gave
up four hundred yards, could not protect mahomes. It felt
like from the first series on, Buffalo had better energy, better.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Focus, and a better game plan.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
That's all.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
Okay, I've been saying this.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Stop telling me about the Steelers defense. Who cares, it's
Aaron Rodgers. They can't run the ball, the offensive line,
pass protections rated very mid. Everybody wants to tell me
about this defense. This team's going as far as Aaron
Rodgers is going to take him. Nine different guys caught
the ball tied for third and touchdown passes. I'm telling you,
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he has not played this well in my opinion, since
his MVP season. He is moving way way better than
he did in New York. This team is Aaron Rodgers.
It's not Tomlin, it's not the defense. It's Aaron and
right now he's playing like a top ten.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Quarterback where Colin was raw.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
I love Matt Lafleur, but this team in Green Bay
has no identity, and that's on the coach. They're fifth
in rushing attempts, but twenty fourth in yards per carry.
They want to run, they're not good at it, and
now Tucker Craft's.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
Gone for the year.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
I always worry about teams and when they don't have
an identity, They've just got a bunch of good players.
I mean they've lost to Cleveland, Carolina and ty Dallas.
This isn't a lack of talent, it's a lack of
knowing what they are and that's hard to create, sometimes
harder to maintain.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
But I do.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
Feel like the compass is off and Green Bay's offense
is a little lost right now.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
I said this before Game six and seven. Yoshi is
worth every penny because the Dodgers starters there was a
lot of injury. So he started thirty five games this year. Yeah,
I think the Dodgers starter, their ace is worth three
hundred twenty five million dollars. He's an unbelievable talent, four
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and known the World Series, and everybody gets worked up
with all the money the Dodgers have, but they're starting
pitching this year. I mean they had injuries everywhere Glass
now Snell. So the difference between thirty five million, you
go four and O in a World Series and went
back to back. He has mostly paid for himself. Where
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Colin was right, Howie Roseman GM and the Eagles does
it again. He just landed Jalen Phillip from Miami, good
edge rusher for a third round pick. Now he's a
pending free agent. If he leaves, they'll get a compensatory
third round pick. So I've said for years aggressive wins
in sports, and everybody's talking about the Philadelphia offense. They're
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twenty third in sacks. This is what separates Philadelphia from
a lot of the Cincin.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Of the world. They are willing.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
They are on call three hundred and sixty five days
a year to make a deal. And this is a
deal the day before the deadline, and it solves an
issue that nobody's talking about. You better get the stafford
if you want to beat him, You better get to
golf if you want to beat him. Philly Howie Roseman
goes out and makes a deal where Colin was raw.
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I like the commander's direction. I had him winning last night.
I had him as a playoff team. I keep waiting
for the juice and they don't have it. One of
the things that worried me. They're the oldest roster in
the league, the opposite of Seattle or Green Bay. Old
rosters get beat up. They're just not very good and
they're not deep. I think they're much more in a
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rebuild than they wanted to admit coming into the season.
And I like them based on the hype some confirmation bias.
They're not a very good.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Team where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
I've always loved the Miami Hurricanes, but they're not a
national brand. And Mario christabal I said earlier this year,
I didn't know. I didn't trust Carson Back. I didn't
know if I trusted him. Mario Christoval is four and
eleven in November and later in Miami, and they lost
again this weekend, this time to SMU Listen. They have
a small fan base, no home field advantage. If you're
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gonna win national championships, those late season games playing at
home matters. I love watching them play. But christaball at Oregon,
his teams were wildly inconsistent, often struggled as favorites or
near favorites on the road, and this was a.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Clunker where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Finally, the Philadelphia seventy six ers are five and one
and not building around Joe lmb. I think I've been
on this for three years. You can't build a franchise
around an often injured big. Instead Tyrese Maxi, who J
Mack would confirm. I said it three years ago. This
guy is gonna be a one. He's averaging thirty four
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a game. VJ Edgecombe on fire. They are led by
their back court. And by the way, the Warriors had
a pretty good dynasty led by Theirs.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
I never bought into Embiid.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
He didn't deliver in the playoffs, he was off an injured,
he struggled even fitting in with the Olympic team. I
preached it for years. He can be a great player,
he can't be the centerpiece of a championship team. Where
Colin was right, where Colin was wrong on a Monday.
And with that, Matt Hasselback's got a lot to chew on.
He's bringing us up to date in his starts. You know,
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I said this about the Bills and the Chiefs played
ten times.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
It's five and five. We all know the history.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
But that was a classic example of they go back
and forth. What was the last game? What's this game?
I just thought, scheme juice energy. It just felt like
Buffalo's night, did it not?
Speaker 6 (07:45):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (07:45):
It did?
Speaker 7 (07:46):
And for whatever reason, this matchup, you know, Buffalo seems
to win all the games in the regular season. In
the second time around in the playoffs, the Chiefs seemed
to win. It reminds me a little bit of what
we did when I was in Seattle or when I
was with the Indianapolis Cold. So I think we did
a great job of this, and I think the Chiefs
do a good job of this. You kind of have
a post game action plan, and so a lot of times,
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like after a game.
Speaker 5 (08:07):
You just say, hey, let's just flush that. Move on.
Speaker 7 (08:09):
We're on to Cincinnati quote unquote, right. And what we
did is like we would actually spend some time on
Monday mornings and we'd say, okay, let's talk about what
we would have done differently last night, and you'd like
list it all out, the good, the bad, the ugly,
all the stuff.
Speaker 5 (08:22):
The stuff that gets you be everything.
Speaker 7 (08:23):
And then you know, you play like six or seven
weeks or eight weeks or nine weeks, and you come
back to that action plan of like, hey, what did
we say the morning after, like, hey, this we should
have attacked number or whatever whatever, you know, we should
have ran the ball more, Hey we got too cute
in the red zone.
Speaker 5 (08:39):
Hey protection first, Like what, don't let this guy be
a game wrecker?
Speaker 7 (08:43):
And you know, I think that those were two things
that we did when I was playing that we didn't
do it on every team that I was at, and
I wish we did, And it feels to me that
Kansas City is always always different second time around.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Yeah, so all I said this, never come play in
this league.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Winning ugly on the road.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
And the Bears are Okay, they would have lost that
game a year ago. They've blocked a kick by the Raiders,
they got lucky in a jayde Daniels fumble. I mean,
they are winning ugly. I don't love it.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
It's funny. Their offense is ranked fourth.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
So they've got skilled, They've got the coach, Caleb still
sometimes with accuracy. Now, I will say this, he does
not throw picks. And he's cut his saxon half. I
don't know if that's him or Ben, but I said
going into the year, I said, Matt, don't get paralyzed
by the record. They've got to cut the saxon half.
And Caleb's also never been a big interception guy. Wasn't
in high school, wasn't it usc He's not in the
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end even last year he had six. They're getting better,
But as I watched them, I'm like, I wish it
was a little quicker.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
What do you see?
Speaker 5 (09:47):
Well, I'm sold on.
Speaker 7 (09:48):
Ben Johnson, like I think he's the real deal. Sometimes
when you're a good play caller, a good coordinator, It
doesn't mean you're going to be a good head coach.
And you said, like Caleb's cut his sex and half.
He's done way better than that. I mean, yesterday he
was sicked two times. One was on him one hundred percent.
The other one didn't hurt him, it was you know,
we have a field goal in the bank, like just
protect the ball. I think they're creative, they're fun, they're
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dangerous Ben Johnson doing everything that he did in Detroit.
But at the same time, they're physical. You know, they
bring in Azzie Trapillo as an extra. You know, he's
a jumbo tight end. He's in an offensive lineman for
the good hard play action shot plays. And then it's
like third and manageable. The whole day, it's like third
and five or less. So Caleb's getting the ball out
on time and on rhythm. And so while we always
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show the highlights of like the trick plays, I think
the boring stuff where Caleb's really improved is just like
you're saying, protecting the ball, not taking sacks, helping out
the defense, complimentary football. And then just like how stoic
Ben Johnson is the whole time is really remarkable. And
then on that Loveland touchdown at the end of the
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game when Cincinnati was allergic to tackling, They're like, the
first guy in the end zone is Ben Johnson celebrating
like John Travolta or something on the dance floor? It was,
It's really cool. And you see him in the locker
room that way. I think, I think the future is
right for Chicago.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
You know, it's interesting so many of these coordinators are
brilliant as the vice president. They're brilliant as the two,
and then they unravel as the one. I wonder what
it is. It's you know, you were in this league.
It's not brain power, but some guys are just naturally
comfortable in front of men and leading. By the way,
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a lot of guys are not comfortable a relinquishing responsibility.
I remember talking to Lane Kevin about this years ago.
Some guys want to be on the headset. Is there
a secret sauce that if you had to go back
in your career on coordinators that make great great head coaches.
Is it a personality thing or a leadership thing.
Speaker 7 (11:41):
Well, it's a lot of things, right, and I think
Ben Johnson didn't jump into it too early. He could
have been a head coach a long time ago, and
he said, no, I'm not ready.
Speaker 5 (11:49):
I want to stick it out here in Detroit.
Speaker 7 (11:51):
We're working on something special and some of it is
building your staff, building the people around you.
Speaker 5 (11:56):
But no doubt there's an IT factor in my career.
Speaker 7 (11:58):
I head coaches where early on they might have been
a GA quality control coach, an assistant position coach. They
get up in front of the room and like, man,
they just commanded the room. Yeah, there's something special about
this guy, a confidence, and like, yeah.
Speaker 5 (12:11):
No, you're that guy, as opposed to the guy that's like,
you know, the little professor guy in the back room,
that like, hey, I appreciate your scheme, but I don't
know if you're commanding the locker room.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (12:22):
No that.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
We had Ben Johnson on the show very early and
he had a McVay quality. It's just a guy that
stood up, looked in the eye, handsome guy, had a
command of the room. And to your point, so I
was saying, this is Seattle. It doesn't happen very often.
Standalone game and the home team gets pushed.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Around for three hours.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
I look around the NFC, I think Seattle matches up
with everybody, including Philadelphia. I mean, is there a part
of Seattle they could improve? Is there a hole in
this team that you see?
Speaker 5 (12:56):
Well, well, for sure.
Speaker 7 (12:57):
I mean every team has things they need to work on,
you know. I think the Seahawks are so good in
so many errors the areas the NFC.
Speaker 5 (13:03):
Is very competitive though.
Speaker 7 (13:04):
I think one of the best things they do is
that they are they don't flinch on the road, Like
they're almost better on the road than they are at.
Speaker 5 (13:10):
Home, which is a total head scratcher.
Speaker 7 (13:12):
But listen, JSN Sam Donald, those are two of the
best players in the game right now. They're protecting Sam
Donald because of like their heavy play action. They're peering
like they're going to run the ball. I think their
kryptonite might be you have to actually be able to
run the ball when they know that you're going to
run the ball. Everything that they're doing right now is
check with me.
Speaker 5 (13:32):
It's very very smart.
Speaker 7 (13:33):
Too many in the box, we're going to throw it,
light box, we're going to run it. The best teams,
you're able to run it when the defense knows you
you're going to run it. And I think that, you know,
it's a critique I guess. But if you're talking about.
Speaker 5 (13:46):
Trying to be the one seed or trying to go
up and win the hoist to Lombardy, that's the kind
of stuff you got to be able to do.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
So I love bo Nicks. He's on a six game heater.
He's great in the fourth quarter, and everybody he tells
me he's no good. JJ McCarthy has his third start,
I'm supposed to say, Wow, he's unbelievable. I said earlier.
It reminded me of the Michigan JJ McCarthy. The defense
set the tone. I love the head coach, and they
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asked him to make one or two huge throws in
the second half, and he was very good on script
like Michigan. But if you go second, third, and fourth quarter,
he had a passer writing of thirty eight. So I'm
not going to judge him. It's his third start. But
my take is my concern was when he came out
of Michigan is boy, they don't ask him to do much.
Harbaugh's great, the old line's great, the defense is great,
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they're running to close the games out. He never trails
and he makes one big play. I feel like that's
kind of what I saw yesterday or am I under
is am I being underwhelmed? Did you see more?
Speaker 6 (14:48):
Now?
Speaker 7 (14:48):
He's a young player and it was a gritty performance.
He kind of reminds me of myself though early in
my career the training wheels were on.
Speaker 5 (14:55):
I think he completed fourteen passes.
Speaker 7 (14:57):
He had two nice touchdown passes in one bad interception.
But it's a it's a little bit like, hey, we're
just gonna take it slow.
Speaker 5 (15:05):
With you, you know. I think he passed for eight first
downs yesterday.
Speaker 7 (15:08):
Uh, and so like they're gonna need more from him,
but he's a young player coming off of injury, and I.
Speaker 5 (15:14):
Think just getting used to the speed of the game.
They like the potential.
Speaker 7 (15:17):
Unfortunately for him and for the Vikings, they could have
had Sam Darnold, they could have had Daniel Jones, they
could have had Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 5 (15:23):
And so the microscope and the scrutiny is.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
Going to be high.
Speaker 7 (15:27):
The guys in your draft class are doing really, really well,
So you're gonna have to grow up really quick. I
think that, you know, stacking these gritty performances in these games, uh,
will go a long way for earning respect in the
locker room. And then I think with the coaching staff,
they're gonna give you a little bit more and a
little bit more and a little bit more, and eventually
they're gonna put You're gonna have to put the team
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on your back in.
Speaker 5 (15:48):
A Justin Herbert kind of way, and uh, and that'll come.
Speaker 7 (15:50):
But but right now, no, it's you know, all the
same stuff we're talking about with Caleb, you know, like
you got to kind of you got to grow, and
you got to not take sacks, and you got to
protect the football and and those types of things.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
So creating an identity is hard, but it's essential, and
sometimes it's harder to maintain it. I feel like Green
Bay is off, the compasses off. They want to run it,
but they're not terribly effective. They trust Jordan Love mostly
but not entirely. Reid's been banged up now, Kraft is out.
When I watch them, like I watched the Rams, I
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know exactly what they're trying to do. When I watch
the Niners with Christian McCaffrey, I don't even care about
the quarterback. I know exactly what they are. Same with Baltimore.
I watch the Packers. What are they offensively? Because I
can't figure it.
Speaker 5 (16:38):
Out they're really good. They're just young, Colin, they're young.
Speaker 7 (16:41):
It was a trap game, like the definition of a
trap game, like and it happened. They were literally last
week we were talking about they're the best team in
the in the NFC.
Speaker 5 (16:52):
You know, they took it to Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 7 (16:53):
They like performed, Jordan loves as cool as a cucumber,
like all the stuff.
Speaker 5 (16:57):
And they go into Carolina and they played like a
young team. And listen, you're gonna make mistakes in the NFL.
Speaker 7 (17:03):
These guys are human. This isn't college football. Every game
is a tough game. That's why you celebrate any win
that you have. But when guys go down, you know
they lost craft in the game. Sometimes it can like
be like a little bit of an energy vampire suck
on the on the sideline there, because like, man, we're
thinking about our brother, We're not focused on the game.
Speaker 5 (17:18):
You're gonna make mistakes.
Speaker 7 (17:19):
In the course of a career and the course of
a season, make new mistakes. If you're the Green Bay Packers,
you need to learn from this mistake. When you're in
a situation like this again, you can't make this mistake again.
I think they took this team lightly. I think Carolina
came in and they were professional about it. Green Bay
I learned from this and and and you know, for them,
you know, hopefully they're a lot better for it, because
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really the one seed was there for them never.
Speaker 5 (17:42):
But now now the division is is very very tight,
so you know, look out.
Speaker 7 (17:47):
I still like this team, though I'm not giving up
on them.
Speaker 5 (17:50):
They just got to learn from it.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Finally, you are at one point an old quarterback. It
is remarkable to watch Darnold and Aaron Rodgers outside of
the Jets. I said, they don't run the ball in Pittsburgh.
The defense was good yesterday, but it's got holes all
over it. I just I watch Aaron and I'm like,
I thought it was a one. I said, you should
go to the Vikings or retire. Pittsburgh's terrible in offense.
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Whether he's great or not, I do feel like there
is something to be said about loving your job, loving
the environment, and playing a little bit with joy. I
feel like Aaron's like happy erin and there's kind of
two errands. But when I watch him, I'm like, I
didn't think he had much left in the tank, and
I'm like, oh, he should play again. This should be
he should he should be a two off and win
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a playoff game. Are you surprised a little bit? Look
there's a little fout in the youth in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 7 (18:43):
Well i think a little bit surprised, But I'm not
surprised that it's working so well with Mike Tomlin and
with Arthur Smith. I'm really not in the leadership and
the you know, like the I mean, he can still
sling it, he can still throw the ball. He's very
impressive that way. Their division's not very good.
Speaker 5 (19:00):
Like I think we thought Cincinnati was going to be better.
Speaker 7 (19:02):
I think we thought Baltimore is going to be better.
But as it sits right now, I mean, Pittsburgh's in
position to host a playoff game, and their defense came
alive creating turnovers. I just think that there's there's still
a lot of room for improvement for the Pittsburgh Steelers.
He won by seven and the Colts had like six turnovers,
So like, you got to find ways to be more dominant.
Speaker 5 (19:22):
I'd like to see them run the ball more.
Speaker 7 (19:23):
I'd like to see them run the ball more when
they're down in the tight red zone, not rely on
you know, the Aaron Rodgers, DK Metcalf show go line
fades or slands like, there's more to like there. We
need consistency that from that defense, you know, I think
they could get it. I actually like the fit. I
like that Aaron Rodgers a future Hall of famers kind
of with a NFL royalty type organization.
Speaker 5 (19:46):
I think it's great for football.
Speaker 7 (19:47):
But I think my big question is like can Baltimore
jump back into this mix if Pittsburgh falters, Like, can
somebody else compete with them?
Speaker 5 (19:56):
Or they just going to run away with with this division.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
I want to circle back final question. I think sometimes
when you win a game, it becomes instructive. Like if
I was Pittsburgh, I consider trade deadline running back. I
think Buffalo needs another wide out. I do wonder when
you're a very good team, you're running the football, You've
got a very close locker room with Josh Allen, and
all of a sudden we bring in a wide receiver,
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would you be concerned Because receivers come you know that
of all the positions, they you know they're on an island.
You get very unique personalities. I think Buffalo needs another.
I mean that game was twenty eight, twenty one in
Kansas City had the ball and Mahomes was awful and
Buffalo dominates time possession. They're at home perfect in the
red zone, won the turnover battle. Kansas City was going
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in for the tie. I think they need to add
a little icing to the cake. Would you do it
with the worry that it could disrupt harmony or chemistry?
Speaker 5 (20:52):
I would do it. And here's why.
Speaker 7 (20:53):
You know, when when I entered the NFL, I was
with the Green Bay Packers, Mike Hombrian's head coach.
Speaker 5 (20:58):
They're coming off of two consecutive Super Bowl and.
Speaker 7 (21:00):
He was very, very clear, this organization will always search
the planet for anyone that we think can make our
team better. So like, don't look at who you're competing
with in the locker room, because we're searching the planet.
And if we ever bring somebody in, it's because we
are trying to hoist the Lombardi. And as a player,
even though I was one of the guys that like
was now replaceable, I loved it. It just felt like, Hey,
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this organization is all the way in, all the way in,
and therefore I'm going to be all the way in,
and I better be all the way in or I'm
going to get replaced myself. I like when it as
a player, I don't mind the mindset at all. I
really don't, and you know, like it might hurt somebody's feelings,
but for the for the entire locker room, I think
it's a great thing.
Speaker 5 (21:42):
Sends a message, and I think it's a really good message.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Matt hasselback eighteen years in the NFL. He is our
Monday guest every Monday during the football season and beyond.
As always Matt, thank you, see you call. Yeah, it's
I just it's one of those things where I'm sitting
there watching that game last night and I'm like, Kansas
City's going.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
For the tie?
Speaker 1 (22:02):
How they got I mean, Mahomes got hit fifteen times?
How are they going for the tie?
Speaker 4 (22:08):
I'm surprised you haven't played that well. They didn't have
Isaiah Pacheco. You know, it's always like, hey, no Zave,
you're worthy, No Rashi, right, they were fully formed last night.
They just didn't look great when they're not playing the
dumpster Fire Raiders or Marcus Mariota and the Commanders, who
look like a joke.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
Now they've now loft on the road to the.
Speaker 4 (22:26):
Bills and the Jags and three weeks ago you didn't
have the bills in the hurt hierarchy.
Speaker 6 (22:29):
Did you.
Speaker 4 (22:30):
It's a slight very interesting how things are shifting the sands.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
I'm in the hurd hierarchy tomorrow. Everybody's waiting. How far
do you drop? The chiefs? Are they eight nine? What
are we doing? Well, that's not a one that's obvious. Well,
rams are good. Do that. It's like four weeks in
a row. Rams are broncos.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
Basically you have to do admit you love it that
all your guys are thriving your DORONLD.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
Chargers darn all of her their career years. It's crazy.
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Speaker 1 (23:50):
It does feel like the Kansas City Chiefs a little
lobbily today. Denver's now seven and two and get they
get two home games and a b They are on fire.
Speaker 4 (24:01):
In the fourth though, Denver got lucky that C. J.
Stroud got knocked the hell out. I mean we didn't
even get into it that. I thought that was a
dirty hit. But Stroud's probably gonna be out for a minute.
He looked he was down for the count. And then
of course Davis Mills, come on, he's not beating the Broncos.
But yeah, AFC keep an eye on Lamar Jackson Colin.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
There's just starting to round into form and they're healthy.
Speaker 4 (24:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
Who was Jmack with the news?
Speaker 2 (24:29):
No, turn on the news. This is the herd Line news.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
Hey, you know what it's time to talk about the
Pittsburgh Steelers. Yes it is.
Speaker 4 (24:37):
They got a nice win over the Colts yesterday twenty
seven to twenty. Against the Mighty Colts. There was some
Mike Tomlin voodoo in play. Obviously you had the punt
muff early by the Colt and then you had Daniel
Jones vomiting all over himself. Mike Tomlin was asked about
the Pittsburgh defense turning things around, and this is what
the man does.
Speaker 6 (24:59):
This is the fire and between Drake and wine and
squashing grapes. In this business, it's nothing dramatic. A couple
of plays here and there, it might have been different
last week. We don't give a fifty nine yard ball
to thirty three yard ball. We don't let him convert
on fourth to one in the flat, for example, in
the third quarter. That's football at this level. It's a
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limited number of plays or sequences that can really change
the trajectory of an outcome. We're still the same group
that's stunk it up last week.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
I love that guy. No, he's right.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Really, the key has been and there are two big
wins Colts in New England. They got eleven takeaways, so
that's just that's like, I mean again, you get credit
for it, but Drake May is not turning it over
that many times when they play again. I think this
team comes down to really Aaron Rodgers keeping them up
right they're not running the ball particularly well.
Speaker 4 (25:54):
I'll give some props to the Steelers before I puncture
you're Aaron Rodgers narrative, because I know you're sick. I
don't want to hammer your two quickly. So the Steelers
defense did have five sacks. I saw the eighteen quarterback
pressures they got after Daniel Jones.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
He looked like New York Giants.
Speaker 4 (26:07):
Daniel Jones, right, we would agree, just lack of awareness
in the pocket.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
He was terrible.
Speaker 4 (26:11):
But what I saw from the Colts when they don't
have Jonathan Taylor getting loose, that's the difference. Daniel Jones
throwing fifty times.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
Yeah, no, Daniel.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
First of all, I'll let Josh Allen throw fifty, but
even Buffalo has been like, we don't want you. I
think the magic number to me the elite guys in
the league. I'll let you throw at thirty five. Most
guys in this league are better at twenty eight, twenty Yeah,
twenty five, and then some guys Jalen Hurts maybe better
at twenty three. But fifty times on the road with TJ.
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Watt Is, it's a losing wrestle.
Speaker 4 (26:42):
Real quick on Aaron Rodgers, Okay, the Pittsburgh Steelers offense.
Colin had a whopping two hundred and twenty five yards.
They were outgained by about a buck fifty three point seven.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
Yards for play.
Speaker 4 (26:52):
And how's this stat Aaron Rodgers attempted three passes more
than ten yards down the field.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
That's it. The whole game.
Speaker 4 (26:59):
It was basically like, oh my gosh, I'm under pressure
because Indy was blitzing all afternoon.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
Right, I'm just dumping it. DK Metcalf was a non
factory Well, two catches for six yards.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
Again, I'm not that it doesn't bother me much. I
don't think they're a deep ball team. I don't. I
think they're like I think Seattle. First of all, Arroya
the tight end. They got the rookie tight end. That
dude runs like a receiver. JS is an absolute deep threat.
How about this other rookie out of Colorado State. I mean,
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I'm telling you Seattle that team. And by the way,
Donald told is a great deep ball and Darnald, unlike Aaron,
is in his athletic prime and can get loose and
extend the pocket. Seattle's a deep ball team. Tampa with
Baker Mayfield, he always a great ball. That is a
deep ball team. Not everybody is. I don't think this
team is built to throw the deep ball. I think
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they are a twelve yard and under. I think they
need turnovers to win, which is probably gonna limit them
in the playoffs because the great quarterbacks don't turn it
off sustainable.
Speaker 4 (28:00):
It seems like they're built around the tight ends. Now
a lot the Yes Washington who we love, coming.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
Out of it with a blocking tied end out of Georgia.
Speaker 4 (28:07):
He's like six seven, you know, six to seven had
to say it. Essentially, they are a just like in
a box. They play short everything. I just don't think
it's sustainable.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
They were out in those two figuos Patriots and Colts.
They were out gained by over one hundred yards.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
No, No, the Steelers, they'll go as far as Aaron's gonna
get them. They're not a multiple playoff win team. There's
about four. I mean Philadelphia Rams could win multiple playoff games.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
I don't know that they're off. I don't you you're sure.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
They're going to No.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
I think Baltimore is gonna win the division.
Speaker 3 (28:36):
I agree.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
I think Baltimore's style of play is sustainable.
Speaker 4 (28:40):
So we have Patriots, Bills, Baltimore, Denver Chargers.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
Oh yeah, those are all teams capable of winning more
than one.
Speaker 4 (28:48):
And then we've got the Colts. They're in they're winning
their division. What about the Jags.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
I don't know. I don't think the Colts. I mean,
Daniel Jones win two playoff games. I think you got
to watch the Chargers. This Joe alt injury.
Speaker 4 (28:58):
Will see if it's surgery. They could be cooked. And
you know I love the Charges. All right, let's move
on to the forty nine ers. We didn't talk a
lot about this when you had this.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
You nailed it.
Speaker 4 (29:08):
Niners, roll over the Giants. The weird thing is a
lot of people were expecting Rock Purdy to play most
of the week. They're like, oh, this will be the
week he comes back. They went with Mac Jones following
a win. Shanahan admitted party wasn't that close to a return.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
What the.
Speaker 10 (29:24):
Nothing changes Mac in that way, And you know it's
you know, we're trying to ease Brock out there and
to practice stuff. But I mean, anytime you're dealing with
this turf toe, it's something that probably won't.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
Fully go away all year.
Speaker 10 (29:35):
You know, it's regardless of when he comes back, he's
gonna always have to deal with it a little bit.
Especially the people you talk to have gone through turf toe.
So it's truly about just assess and when's the best
time to come back that you have to deal with
at the least, and it's a little bit of a
tricky decision.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
I don't think this team is led by the quarterback.
I think they're old school. I think they're led by
Christian McCaffrey had a half thir yard gift.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
Problem is you see how many touches he had thirty
three touches in a blowout? What are we doing? I
don't don't have anything else. I love him in fantasy.
He's on my team. He's really good. No, I mean
Brian Robinson flashed a little bit. He had a couple
of nice runs fifty three yards on five.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
Care don't even be I don't care who starts at quarterback.
I think Mac and Perty or a wash. I think
Mac throws a better ball. Perty's more mobile. I think
this team is all about McCaffrey. If you go look
at he had the most catches, he had the most rushing,
he had the most He's it's a McCaffrey let offense.
Speaker 4 (30:26):
So the question is, why are the forty nine ers
not giving us the real story on Brock.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
Purty, Ricky Piersoll, what is his knee injury?
Speaker 4 (30:34):
He's been out for six weeks, Brandon Ayuk, it's been
over a year, Colin. At some point the league's got
to step it and be like, guys, just be truthful.
Are they coming back or not?
Speaker 3 (30:43):
Because I can't make them a super Bowl team with
this unit. By the way, Michael Williams, the.
Speaker 4 (30:46):
Guy they got out of Georgia the ed rusher injury,
sounds like he's done.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
So their top three edg rushers are now.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
Well, No, it's before the season. I took the Rams
on the Seahawks to make the playoffs. Not there, and
I said, old and brittle Seahawks and Rams are young niners.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
Age, isn't it.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
They've they've got to have another big draft this year
because they've got too many older players.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
They were wet.
Speaker 4 (31:09):
They host the Rams this week in a rematch. Rams
are favored.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
I think I saw two and a half or three
and a half in San Fra. Rams right now are
the better team healthy?
Speaker 4 (31:19):
Does own McVeigh I know mcveigh's started to claw back
last year, but that's one of the games of the
week for sure.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
Final story calling, let's go to Monday night football. There's
a lot happening right now.
Speaker 4 (31:30):
So I wanted to make this about Kyler Murray and
could they trade him in the offseason. He seems to
be healthy. But it's Jacoby Brissett starting, and all the
reporters say, yeah, Kyler Murray will have a role.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
Your franchise quarterback will have a role.
Speaker 4 (31:42):
Here's the kicker. About an hour ago, this big story drops.
Marvin Harrison Senior, the father of the young receiver on
the Cardinals, spoke about the state of the Cardinals. It's
very hard for me to watch this offense. I think
that's just peacefully put without pointing fingers or anything.
Speaker 3 (31:59):
I'm giving you a professional eye. I can't deal with it.
Speaker 4 (32:02):
He basically throws the OC of the Cardinals under the
bus for not getting his on the ball, the Kyler
Murray out of shotgun every snap.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
I mean, it is a bad story to drop on
game day. It's been a bad.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
Year for smaller quarterbacks. Tua Ua, Kyler Murray, Rock Purdy
Rock party for the smaller quarterbacks. It's been a rough year,
so give.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
Me a minute here on Kyler Murray.
Speaker 4 (32:26):
And let's say the Cardinals say we're open for business,
we're taking in offers.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
I would you know Dome or warm Weather? He's talented. Again,
I don't think. I think the big money is done,
the big opportunities are over. I don't think the top teams,
but there's always six desperate teams. And the college quarterbacks
I've watched are all pretty mid so okay.
Speaker 4 (32:47):
So would you rather take a shot on the Indiana quarterback?
Speaker 11 (32:50):
Right?
Speaker 4 (32:50):
Mendoza, who by the way, is like a genius, went
to cal and like.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
No, I think Mendoza's people think Mendoza is the guy.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
He could be. He doesn't. The wheels of.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
Multiple nflgms have been visiting Mendoza.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
You gotta read this Wall Street Journal story on him.
Speaker 4 (33:06):
He's doing like internships at big time hedge funds and
financial services. Heart would you rather roll with him on
a rookie deal or Kyler Murray and his baggage?
Speaker 3 (33:16):
Mendoza?
Speaker 4 (33:17):
Okay, and you apply that to Ty Simpson from Alabama,
I know you don't love him. I'm just saying we
could reach a point where they have to go Russell
Wilson and just dump him. I don't know that could
be in play. Colin, who's bending over backwards for Kyler Murray.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
Let's see, it's Miami gonna dump to it to get
in bed with him. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
Cleveland's drafting a quarterback, The Raiders are drafting a quarterback,
the Jets are drafting a quarterback, and.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
All Saints are drafting a quarterback. So there are four teams.
Speaker 4 (33:44):
The Raiders is the one that's interesting. Could they somehow
luck their way into six wins? Have the tenth pick,
and Pete Carroll says, I want to win now, gimme
Kyler Murray in the Dome, But then he's got to
go outdoors to Denver.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
In Kansas City.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
No, your resume in life matters, and his resume is
not great. They're his the he doesn't study. I mean,
there's a lot of stories in this league that you
and I may hear about. I know I do all
the time. I texted six seven GMS yesterday. There's a
lot of stories in the league about players that doesn't
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make it public.
Speaker 3 (34:17):
You don't want to take a shot in a player.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
I would say, Kyler Murray's reputation that doesn't make the
airwaves is not good.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
Let me just throw it up on.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
The executives in this league that don't want to go public.
They're not going to tarnish anything. Not fans don't go crazy.
I'm just floating it.
Speaker 4 (34:35):
So Stafford the last couple off seasons has been like,
maybe I retire. I know it's in the division. Would
they kick the tires on Kyler Murray? A Stafford walks
away after a Super.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
Bowl, go look at who the Rams draft? They like
big quarterbacks?
Speaker 1 (34:49):
Well, they let Jalen Ramsey go. If they think there's
any me instead of we, they move off. Yet, it's
very much about the room. It is very much about
culture with the Rams. They don't have a bad guy
in that locker room. It's like the M nine. They
do not not I'm not saying Jalen Ramsey a bad guy.
Jalen sometimes was taking risks they didn't like.
Speaker 5 (35:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (35:08):
So, by the way, Dolphins are trying to trade Jalen
Ramsey right now, you go read about online one of
those Steelers I'm sorry Steelers Steelers at Jaiens are they well,
MIKEA Fitzpatrick's on the Dolphins.
Speaker 3 (35:18):
They're looking to move off them. Sorry, yeah, I got
the two confused, all right. J Mack with the news.
Speaker 8 (35:24):
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Speaker 4 (35:37):
Start your Saturday strong with the unstoppable second ranked Hoosiers.
All eyes are are on Fernando Mendoza as he leads
Indiana and continues his Heisman campaign against Penn State. It
all starts with the Big Noon kickoff at ten am Eastern.
Then it's Indiana Penn State Big Noon Saturday only on Fox.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
You know, it's fun. Tell me about this.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
Every single major League Baseball owner, as far as I
can tell, is a billionaire. The Steinbrenners are billionaires, the
Steve Cohen's a billionaire. They're all billionaires. So and the
Dodgers owners are billionaires. But the reason the Dodgers can
spend more money is because they lead Major League Baseball
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attendants by I think it's like six to seven thousand
per game. It is a and the reason they lead
Major League Baseball and attendants is because they're so well run. Yeah,
they've got money. LA is not as big as New York,
Chicago's almost as big. They spend their money wisely. They
defer payments. Everybody could defer payments. The Dodgers chose to
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defer payments. My favorite part of this team though, is
Miguel Rojas, old guy, never been an All Star, Will
Smith most innings caught in a World Series.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
Andy pa has the outfielder.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
I mean, who makes it, you know, me inning replacement
at Clayton Kershaw touched on just the unity beyond the
money inside this organization.
Speaker 11 (37:10):
I love that guy. Man, he's he's just a gamer.
He's got all the talent in the world. But I
mean for him to step up and do this tonight
for us, Like, I mean, all these guys show hey
on short rest, Blake Snell coming in, Yeah, I'm a
relievers just I mean, it was this whole group.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
Man.
Speaker 11 (37:25):
It's just I'm just so grateful and honored to be
a part of this team. Like you can talk about
how much money the Dodgers spend all you want, but
that group of guys is a lot more than how
much money they make. It's a special group, man, it
really is. And show hey, Freddie MOOKI Will Smith, Will
Smith with a whole like Mickey Ross. I mean like
you can just go down the list. So I'm just
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I'm just grateful man and honored. And what a way
to end it, you know.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
I mean there are go look at the rich Minnesota
Twins used to have one of the richest owners. Okay,
they're all billionaires. The Pirates owners, you know, they're they
don't want to spend that money. Now do the Dodgers
have massive game day revenue? Of course they do. Yes,
I mean that's of course the Dodgers do. But I
think lost in all of this is this constant need
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to say, well, it's.
Speaker 3 (38:12):
About the money.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
Well, the Yankees always had money, but there was a
tour de force in George Steinbrenner that would make he
added pressure to the organization. You go back to those
Yankee teams. They were winning the Hot Soil League. They
had great players, but they had Scott Brocius from McMinnville,
Oregon making plays.
Speaker 3 (38:31):
And that's really the essence of this.
Speaker 1 (38:33):
I thought one of the things that was fascinating is
when Roki is one of their great young pitchers, twenty
three year old star from Japan, and they asked him
this year, hey, can you help us out in the bullpen?
And without pausing, he's like absolutely. Some of those teams
you asked guys to hit to the bullpen, they think
it's a second class citizen.
Speaker 3 (38:52):
They're not going to the bullpen.
Speaker 1 (38:53):
So what's remarkable about the Dodgers is that everybody buys in.
Speaker 3 (38:58):
Despite all the salary.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
And you know, these Japanese stars, you know, over in
Japan it's a rock concert, so they it's like SEC football.
They come in, they are ready for the moment. They
are superstars in Japan, and Japanese baseball's you know, I've
read for years it's a high triple A. It's it's
better than our Triple A. But the attendance and the
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fandom is like Major League Baseball. It's like SEC Football's
not the NFL or Big ten football. But there's there's vibes,
there's stadiums, there's athletes that will play in the NFL.
And I just think overall the part about the Dodgers,
I mean, some of these levers that Dave Rogers pulled
mid inning replacements Miguel Rojas. I mean, just remarkable stuff.
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A center fielder making a catch in left field. I
mean Rojas here. This series, it was so close to
being the Blue Jays, and people say it's the best
World Series ever. When I was a kid, there was
a World Series in the mid seventies that was the
Red Sox. It's the legendary Carlton fisscom run at Fenway
off Pat Darcy and those Cincinnati Reds teams that had
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Bench and Perez and Rose and Dave Concepcion. That was
the It was a mid seventies World Series, and that's
when baseball was bigger.
Speaker 3 (40:14):
Than the NFL.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
So that one feels that it's just Sparky Anderson was
the manager for the Reds.
Speaker 3 (40:20):
He was a star. You'd have managers chain smoking.
Speaker 1 (40:24):
I mean, it was just a different world that felt
like the biggest World Series of my life. But I'll
say a lot of times, networks, networks don't care who
win these world series. Networks won Game seven. I'm not
going to speak for management here. We generally love Game seven.
It doesn't matter what it's in. But I thought the
Canadian fans were amazing. I thought the Blue Jays out
hit the Dodgers. I mean, some of their guys. It
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was like Beer League averages. But I think the Dodgers
had the world's greatest pitcher and pitching. Owa's beats hitting,
and the Dodgers had Yoshi. But as a collective, these
Dodger teams do remind me of a a less intense
version of the Yankees. We don't have a Steinbrenner out here.
Nobody you know, talks. You don't see the Dodgers owner.
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It's very research and development Andrew Friedman. It's very smart franchise.
They don't make a lot of mistakes.
Speaker 2 (41:15):
By the way.
Speaker 1 (41:15):
They let Trade Turner go. They let Corey Seeger go.
They didn't sign Manny Machado. They've let a lot of
guys go. This idea. They buyed it. Tray Turner, great player.
Didn't he win the National League batting Crown? Trade Turner
let him go. Corey Sieger, great bro let him go,
Manny Machado, see you, Zach Greenky. They don't sign every
big guy. They got Max Muncy who got cut by
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the A's, so they do Miguel Rojas. It's not like
multiple bidders on that, you know. So I mean, they
did do a lot well and yes they're well capitalized.
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
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Speaker 3 (00:53):
Now Bill's got to win. I'm wearing some Buffalo Bill's
tellers today.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
Just for you cowboys tonight, you know, with their favorite
now by three and a half, with Kyler playing a role?
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Is that a soft benching? By the way, what is
that kind of isn't it? Is he healthy?
Speaker 5 (01:08):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (01:08):
I think he is. I thought he was a first
as quarterback.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
All right, here we go on Monday. Colin Wright, Colin
Wrong plenty of both. Where Colin was right, I said,
when Sam Donald gets drafted, I said, he's not Andrew Luck,
but he's like eighty eighty five percent of Andrew Luck. Tough, athletic,
big arm. PFF has him number one third in the
passer rating. Nobody can work with a Jets. That's Siberia.
(01:34):
Aaron Rodgers looked one hundred years old with the Jets.
Look at him now. The bottom line is Sam Donald
needed a better fit. He's just too damn talented to
not make it in this league. And he was sixteen
for sixteen in the first half. I said, not Andrew Luck,
but his comp is somewhere close to Andrew Luck, and it.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Looks like it. Where Colin was wrong, I.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Thought Kansas City was the best team in the league.
But it's weird when these two teams play. I feel
like what happened in the game. Before the game, they're
playing ten times, they've met, they're five and five, gave
up four hundred yards, could not protect mahomes. It felt
like from the first series on, Buffalo had better energy, better.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Focus, and a better game plan.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
That's all.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
Okay, I've been saying this.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Stop telling me about the Steelers defense. Who cares, it's
Aaron Rodgers. They can't run the ball, the offensive line,
pass protections rated very mid. Everybody wants to tell me
about this defense. This team's going as far as Aaron
Rodgers is going to take him. Nine different guys caught
the ball tied for third and touchdown passes. I'm telling you,
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he has not played this well in my opinion, since
his MVP season. He is moving way way better than
he did in New York. This team is Aaron Rodgers.
It's not Tomlin, it's not the defense. It's Aaron and
right now he's playing like a top ten.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Quarterback where Colin was raw.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
I love Matt Lafleur, but this team in Green Bay
has no identity, and that's on the coach. They're fifth
in rushing attempts, but twenty fourth in yards per carry.
They want to run, they're not good at it, and
now Tucker Craft's.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
Gone for the year.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
I always worry about teams and when they don't have
an identity, They've just got a bunch of good players.
I mean they've lost to Cleveland, Carolina and ty Dallas.
This isn't a lack of talent, it's a lack of
knowing what they are and that's hard to create, sometimes
harder to maintain.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
But I do.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
Feel like the compass is off and Green Bay's offense
is a little lost right now.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
I said this before Game six and seven. Yoshi is
worth every penny because the Dodgers starters there was a
lot of injury. So he started thirty five games this year. Yeah,
I think the Dodgers starter, their ace is worth three
hundred twenty five million dollars. He's an unbelievable talent, four
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and known the World Series, and everybody gets worked up
with all the money the Dodgers have, but they're starting
pitching this year. I mean they had injuries everywhere Glass
now Snell. So the difference between thirty five million, you
go four and O in a World Series and went
back to back. He has mostly paid for himself. Where
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Colin was right, Howie Roseman GM and the Eagles does
it again. He just landed Jalen Phillip from Miami, good
edge rusher for a third round pick. Now he's a
pending free agent. If he leaves, they'll get a compensatory
third round pick. So I've said for years aggressive wins
in sports, and everybody's talking about the Philadelphia offense. They're
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twenty third in sacks. This is what separates Philadelphia from
a lot of the Cincin.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Of the world. They are willing.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
They are on call three hundred and sixty five days
a year to make a deal. And this is a
deal the day before the deadline, and it solves an
issue that nobody's talking about. You better get the stafford
if you want to beat him, You better get to
golf if you want to beat him. Philly Howie Roseman
goes out and makes a deal where Colin was raw.
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I like the commander's direction. I had him winning last night.
I had him as a playoff team. I keep waiting
for the juice and they don't have it. One of
the things that worried me. They're the oldest roster in
the league, the opposite of Seattle or Green Bay. Old
rosters get beat up. They're just not very good and
they're not deep. I think they're much more in a
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rebuild than they wanted to admit coming into the season.
And I like them based on the hype some confirmation bias.
They're not a very good.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Team where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
I've always loved the Miami Hurricanes, but they're not a
national brand. And Mario christabal I said earlier this year,
I didn't know. I didn't trust Carson Back. I didn't
know if I trusted him. Mario Christoval is four and
eleven in November and later in Miami, and they lost
again this weekend, this time to SMU Listen. They have
a small fan base, no home field advantage. If you're
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gonna win national championships, those late season games playing at
home matters. I love watching them play. But christaball at Oregon,
his teams were wildly inconsistent, often struggled as favorites or
near favorites on the road, and this was a.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Clunker where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Finally, the Philadelphia seventy six ers are five and one
and not building around Joe lmb. I think I've been
on this for three years. You can't build a franchise
around an often injured big. Instead Tyrese Maxi, who J
Mack would confirm. I said it three years ago. This
guy is gonna be a one. He's averaging thirty four
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a game. VJ Edgecombe on fire. They are led by
their back court. And by the way, the Warriors had
a pretty good dynasty led by Theirs.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
I never bought into Embiid.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
He didn't deliver in the playoffs, he was off an injured,
he struggled even fitting in with the Olympic team. I
preached it for years. He can be a great player,
he can't be the centerpiece of a championship team. Where
Colin was right, where Colin was wrong on a Monday.
And with that, Matt Hasselback's got a lot to chew on.
He's bringing us up to date in his starts. You know,
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I said this about the Bills and the Chiefs played
ten times.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
It's five and five. We all know the history.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
But that was a classic example of they go back
and forth. What was the last game? What's this game?
I just thought, scheme juice energy. It just felt like
Buffalo's night, did it not?
Speaker 6 (07:45):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (07:45):
It did?
Speaker 7 (07:46):
And for whatever reason, this matchup, you know, Buffalo seems
to win all the games in the regular season. In
the second time around in the playoffs, the Chiefs seemed
to win. It reminds me a little bit of what
we did when I was in Seattle or when I
was with the Indianapolis Cold. So I think we did
a great job of this, and I think the Chiefs
do a good job of this. You kind of have
a post game action plan, and so a lot of times,
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like after a game.
Speaker 5 (08:07):
You just say, hey, let's just flush that. Move on.
Speaker 7 (08:09):
We're on to Cincinnati quote unquote, right. And what we
did is like we would actually spend some time on
Monday mornings and we'd say, okay, let's talk about what
we would have done differently last night, and you'd like
list it all out, the good, the bad, the ugly,
all the stuff.
Speaker 5 (08:22):
The stuff that gets you be everything.
Speaker 7 (08:23):
And then you know, you play like six or seven
weeks or eight weeks or nine weeks, and you come
back to that action plan of like, hey, what did
we say the morning after, like, hey, this we should
have attacked number or whatever whatever, you know, we should
have ran the ball more, Hey we got too cute
in the red zone.
Speaker 5 (08:39):
Hey protection first, Like what, don't let this guy be
a game wrecker?
Speaker 7 (08:43):
And you know, I think that those were two things
that we did when I was playing that we didn't
do it on every team that I was at, and
I wish we did, And it feels to me that
Kansas City is always always different second time around.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Yeah, so all I said this, never come play in
this league.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Winning ugly on the road.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
And the Bears are Okay, they would have lost that
game a year ago. They've blocked a kick by the Raiders,
they got lucky in a jayde Daniels fumble. I mean,
they are winning ugly. I don't love it.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
It's funny. Their offense is ranked fourth.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
So they've got skilled, They've got the coach, Caleb still
sometimes with accuracy. Now, I will say this, he does
not throw picks. And he's cut his saxon half. I
don't know if that's him or Ben, but I said
going into the year, I said, Matt, don't get paralyzed
by the record. They've got to cut the saxon half.
And Caleb's also never been a big interception guy. Wasn't
in high school, wasn't it usc He's not in the
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end even last year he had six. They're getting better,
But as I watched them, I'm like, I wish it
was a little quicker.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
What do you see?
Speaker 5 (09:47):
Well, I'm sold on.
Speaker 7 (09:48):
Ben Johnson, like I think he's the real deal. Sometimes
when you're a good play caller, a good coordinator, It
doesn't mean you're going to be a good head coach.
And you said, like Caleb's cut his sex and half.
He's done way better than that. I mean, yesterday he
was sicked two times. One was on him one hundred percent.
The other one didn't hurt him, it was you know,
we have a field goal in the bank, like just
protect the ball. I think they're creative, they're fun, they're
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dangerous Ben Johnson doing everything that he did in Detroit.
But at the same time, they're physical. You know, they
bring in Azzie Trapillo as an extra. You know, he's
a jumbo tight end. He's in an offensive lineman for
the good hard play action shot plays. And then it's
like third and manageable. The whole day, it's like third
and five or less. So Caleb's getting the ball out
on time and on rhythm. And so while we always
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show the highlights of like the trick plays, I think
the boring stuff where Caleb's really improved is just like
you're saying, protecting the ball, not taking sacks, helping out
the defense, complimentary football. And then just like how stoic
Ben Johnson is the whole time is really remarkable. And
then on that Loveland touchdown at the end of the
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game when Cincinnati was allergic to tackling, They're like, the
first guy in the end zone is Ben Johnson celebrating
like John Travolta or something on the dance floor? It was,
It's really cool. And you see him in the locker
room that way. I think, I think the future is
right for Chicago.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
You know, it's interesting so many of these coordinators are
brilliant as the vice president. They're brilliant as the two,
and then they unravel as the one. I wonder what
it is. It's you know, you were in this league.
It's not brain power, but some guys are just naturally
comfortable in front of men and leading. By the way,
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a lot of guys are not comfortable a relinquishing responsibility.
I remember talking to Lane Kevin about this years ago.
Some guys want to be on the headset. Is there
a secret sauce that if you had to go back
in your career on coordinators that make great great head coaches.
Is it a personality thing or a leadership thing.
Speaker 7 (11:41):
Well, it's a lot of things, right, and I think
Ben Johnson didn't jump into it too early. He could
have been a head coach a long time ago, and
he said, no, I'm not ready.
Speaker 5 (11:49):
I want to stick it out here in Detroit.
Speaker 7 (11:51):
We're working on something special and some of it is
building your staff, building the people around you.
Speaker 5 (11:56):
But no doubt there's an IT factor in my career.
Speaker 7 (11:58):
I head coaches where early on they might have been
a GA quality control coach, an assistant position coach. They
get up in front of the room and like, man,
they just commanded the room. Yeah, there's something special about
this guy, a confidence, and like, yeah.
Speaker 5 (12:11):
No, you're that guy, as opposed to the guy that's like,
you know, the little professor guy in the back room,
that like, hey, I appreciate your scheme, but I don't
know if you're commanding the locker room.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (12:22):
No that.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
We had Ben Johnson on the show very early and
he had a McVay quality. It's just a guy that
stood up, looked in the eye, handsome guy, had a
command of the room. And to your point, so I
was saying, this is Seattle. It doesn't happen very often.
Standalone game and the home team gets pushed.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Around for three hours.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
I look around the NFC, I think Seattle matches up
with everybody, including Philadelphia. I mean, is there a part
of Seattle they could improve? Is there a hole in
this team that you see?
Speaker 5 (12:56):
Well, well, for sure.
Speaker 7 (12:57):
I mean every team has things they need to work on,
you know. I think the Seahawks are so good in
so many errors the areas the NFC.
Speaker 5 (13:03):
Is very competitive though.
Speaker 7 (13:04):
I think one of the best things they do is
that they are they don't flinch on the road, Like
they're almost better on the road than they are at.
Speaker 5 (13:10):
Home, which is a total head scratcher.
Speaker 7 (13:12):
But listen, JSN Sam Donald, those are two of the
best players in the game right now. They're protecting Sam
Donald because of like their heavy play action. They're peering
like they're going to run the ball. I think their
kryptonite might be you have to actually be able to
run the ball when they know that you're going to
run the ball. Everything that they're doing right now is
check with me.
Speaker 5 (13:32):
It's very very smart.
Speaker 7 (13:33):
Too many in the box, we're going to throw it,
light box, we're going to run it. The best teams,
you're able to run it when the defense knows you
you're going to run it. And I think that, you know,
it's a critique I guess. But if you're talking about.
Speaker 5 (13:46):
Trying to be the one seed or trying to go
up and win the hoist to Lombardy, that's the kind
of stuff you got to be able to do.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
So I love bo Nicks. He's on a six game heater.
He's great in the fourth quarter, and everybody he tells
me he's no good. JJ McCarthy has his third start,
I'm supposed to say, Wow, he's unbelievable. I said earlier.
It reminded me of the Michigan JJ McCarthy. The defense
set the tone. I love the head coach, and they
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asked him to make one or two huge throws in
the second half, and he was very good on script
like Michigan. But if you go second, third, and fourth quarter,
he had a passer writing of thirty eight. So I'm
not going to judge him. It's his third start. But
my take is my concern was when he came out
of Michigan is boy, they don't ask him to do much.
Harbaugh's great, the old line's great, the defense is great,
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they're running to close the games out. He never trails
and he makes one big play. I feel like that's
kind of what I saw yesterday or am I under
is am I being underwhelmed? Did you see more?
Speaker 6 (14:48):
Now?
Speaker 7 (14:48):
He's a young player and it was a gritty performance.
He kind of reminds me of myself though early in
my career the training wheels were on.
Speaker 5 (14:55):
I think he completed fourteen passes.
Speaker 7 (14:57):
He had two nice touchdown passes in one bad interception.
But it's a it's a little bit like, hey, we're
just gonna take it slow.
Speaker 5 (15:05):
With you, you know. I think he passed for eight first
downs yesterday.
Speaker 7 (15:08):
Uh, and so like they're gonna need more from him,
but he's a young player coming off of injury, and I.
Speaker 5 (15:14):
Think just getting used to the speed of the game.
They like the potential.
Speaker 7 (15:17):
Unfortunately for him and for the Vikings, they could have
had Sam Darnold, they could have had Daniel Jones, they
could have had Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 5 (15:23):
And so the microscope and the scrutiny is.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
Going to be high.
Speaker 7 (15:27):
The guys in your draft class are doing really, really well,
So you're gonna have to grow up really quick. I
think that, you know, stacking these gritty performances in these games, uh,
will go a long way for earning respect in the
locker room. And then I think with the coaching staff,
they're gonna give you a little bit more and a
little bit more and a little bit more, and eventually
they're gonna put You're gonna have to put the team
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on your back in.
Speaker 5 (15:48):
A Justin Herbert kind of way, and uh, and that'll come.
Speaker 7 (15:50):
But but right now, no, it's you know, all the
same stuff we're talking about with Caleb, you know, like
you got to kind of you got to grow, and
you got to not take sacks, and you got to
protect the football and and those types of things.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
So creating an identity is hard, but it's essential, and
sometimes it's harder to maintain it. I feel like Green
Bay is off, the compasses off. They want to run it,
but they're not terribly effective. They trust Jordan Love mostly
but not entirely. Reid's been banged up now, Kraft is out.
When I watch them, like I watched the Rams, I
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know exactly what they're trying to do. When I watch
the Niners with Christian McCaffrey, I don't even care about
the quarterback. I know exactly what they are. Same with Baltimore.
I watch the Packers. What are they offensively? Because I
can't figure it.
Speaker 5 (16:38):
Out they're really good. They're just young, Colin, they're young.
Speaker 7 (16:41):
It was a trap game, like the definition of a
trap game, like and it happened. They were literally last
week we were talking about they're the best team in
the in the NFC.
Speaker 5 (16:52):
You know, they took it to Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 7 (16:53):
They like performed, Jordan loves as cool as a cucumber,
like all the stuff.
Speaker 5 (16:57):
And they go into Carolina and they played like a
young team. And listen, you're gonna make mistakes in the NFL.
Speaker 7 (17:03):
These guys are human. This isn't college football. Every game
is a tough game. That's why you celebrate any win
that you have. But when guys go down, you know
they lost craft in the game. Sometimes it can like
be like a little bit of an energy vampire suck
on the on the sideline there, because like, man, we're
thinking about our brother, We're not focused on the game.
Speaker 5 (17:18):
You're gonna make mistakes.
Speaker 7 (17:19):
In the course of a career and the course of
a season, make new mistakes. If you're the Green Bay Packers,
you need to learn from this mistake. When you're in
a situation like this again, you can't make this mistake again.
I think they took this team lightly. I think Carolina
came in and they were professional about it. Green Bay
I learned from this and and and you know, for them,
you know, hopefully they're a lot better for it, because
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really the one seed was there for them never.
Speaker 5 (17:42):
But now now the division is is very very tight,
so you know, look out.
Speaker 7 (17:47):
I still like this team, though I'm not giving up
on them.
Speaker 5 (17:50):
They just got to learn from it.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Finally, you are at one point an old quarterback. It
is remarkable to watch Darnold and Aaron Rodgers outside of
the Jets. I said, they don't run the ball in Pittsburgh.
The defense was good yesterday, but it's got holes all
over it. I just I watch Aaron and I'm like,
I thought it was a one. I said, you should
go to the Vikings or retire. Pittsburgh's terrible in offense.
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Whether he's great or not, I do feel like there
is something to be said about loving your job, loving
the environment, and playing a little bit with joy. I
feel like Aaron's like happy erin and there's kind of
two errands. But when I watch him, I'm like, I
didn't think he had much left in the tank, and
I'm like, oh, he should play again. This should be
he should he should be a two off and win
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a playoff game. Are you surprised a little bit? Look
there's a little fout in the youth in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 7 (18:43):
Well i think a little bit surprised, But I'm not
surprised that it's working so well with Mike Tomlin and
with Arthur Smith. I'm really not in the leadership and
the you know, like the I mean, he can still
sling it, he can still throw the ball. He's very
impressive that way. Their division's not very good.
Speaker 5 (19:00):
Like I think we thought Cincinnati was going to be better.
Speaker 7 (19:02):
I think we thought Baltimore is going to be better.
But as it sits right now, I mean, Pittsburgh's in
position to host a playoff game, and their defense came
alive creating turnovers. I just think that there's there's still
a lot of room for improvement for the Pittsburgh Steelers.
He won by seven and the Colts had like six turnovers,
So like, you got to find ways to be more dominant.
Speaker 5 (19:22):
I'd like to see them run the ball more.
Speaker 7 (19:23):
I'd like to see them run the ball more when
they're down in the tight red zone, not rely on
you know, the Aaron Rodgers, DK Metcalf show go line
fades or slands like, there's more to like there. We
need consistency that from that defense, you know, I think
they could get it. I actually like the fit. I
like that Aaron Rodgers a future Hall of famers kind
of with a NFL royalty type organization.
Speaker 5 (19:46):
I think it's great for football.
Speaker 7 (19:47):
But I think my big question is like can Baltimore
jump back into this mix if Pittsburgh falters, Like, can
somebody else compete with them?
Speaker 5 (19:56):
Or they just going to run away with with this division.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
I want to circle back final question. I think sometimes
when you win a game, it becomes instructive. Like if
I was Pittsburgh, I consider trade deadline running back. I
think Buffalo needs another wide out. I do wonder when
you're a very good team, you're running the football, You've
got a very close locker room with Josh Allen, and
all of a sudden we bring in a wide receiver,
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would you be concerned Because receivers come you know that
of all the positions, they you know they're on an island.
You get very unique personalities. I think Buffalo needs another.
I mean that game was twenty eight, twenty one in
Kansas City had the ball and Mahomes was awful and
Buffalo dominates time possession. They're at home perfect in the
red zone, won the turnover battle. Kansas City was going
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in for the tie. I think they need to add
a little icing to the cake. Would you do it
with the worry that it could disrupt harmony or chemistry?
Speaker 5 (20:52):
I would do it. And here's why.
Speaker 7 (20:53):
You know, when when I entered the NFL, I was
with the Green Bay Packers, Mike Hombrian's head coach.
Speaker 5 (20:58):
They're coming off of two consecutive Super Bowl and.
Speaker 7 (21:00):
He was very, very clear, this organization will always search
the planet for anyone that we think can make our
team better. So like, don't look at who you're competing
with in the locker room, because we're searching the planet.
And if we ever bring somebody in, it's because we
are trying to hoist the Lombardi. And as a player,
even though I was one of the guys that like
was now replaceable, I loved it. It just felt like, Hey,
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this organization is all the way in, all the way in,
and therefore I'm going to be all the way in,
and I better be all the way in or I'm
going to get replaced myself. I like when it as
a player, I don't mind the mindset at all. I
really don't, and you know, like it might hurt somebody's feelings,
but for the for the entire locker room, I think
it's a great thing.
Speaker 5 (21:42):
Sends a message, and I think it's a really good message.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Matt hasselback eighteen years in the NFL. He is our
Monday guest every Monday during the football season and beyond.
As always Matt, thank you, see you call. Yeah, it's
I just it's one of those things where I'm sitting
there watching that game last night and I'm like, Kansas
City's going.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
For the tie?
Speaker 1 (22:02):
How they got I mean, Mahomes got hit fifteen times?
How are they going for the tie?
Speaker 4 (22:08):
I'm surprised you haven't played that well. They didn't have
Isaiah Pacheco. You know, it's always like, hey, no Zave,
you're worthy, No Rashi, right, they were fully formed last night.
They just didn't look great when they're not playing the
dumpster Fire Raiders or Marcus Mariota and the Commanders, who
look like a joke.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
Now they've now loft on the road to the.
Speaker 4 (22:26):
Bills and the Jags and three weeks ago you didn't
have the bills in the hurt hierarchy.
Speaker 6 (22:29):
Did you.
Speaker 4 (22:30):
It's a slight very interesting how things are shifting the sands.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
I'm in the hurd hierarchy tomorrow. Everybody's waiting. How far
do you drop? The chiefs? Are they eight nine? What
are we doing? Well, that's not a one that's obvious. Well,
rams are good. Do that. It's like four weeks in
a row. Rams are broncos.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
Basically you have to do admit you love it that
all your guys are thriving your DORONLD.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
Chargers darn all of her their career years. It's crazy.
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Speaker 1 (23:50):
It does feel like the Kansas City Chiefs a little
lobbily today. Denver's now seven and two and get they
get two home games and a b They are on fire.
Speaker 4 (24:01):
In the fourth though, Denver got lucky that C. J.
Stroud got knocked the hell out. I mean we didn't
even get into it that. I thought that was a
dirty hit. But Stroud's probably gonna be out for a minute.
He looked he was down for the count. And then
of course Davis Mills, come on, he's not beating the Broncos.
But yeah, AFC keep an eye on Lamar Jackson Colin.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
There's just starting to round into form and they're healthy.
Speaker 4 (24:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
Who was Jmack with the news?
Speaker 2 (24:29):
No, turn on the news. This is the herd Line news.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
Hey, you know what it's time to talk about the
Pittsburgh Steelers. Yes it is.
Speaker 4 (24:37):
They got a nice win over the Colts yesterday twenty
seven to twenty. Against the Mighty Colts. There was some
Mike Tomlin voodoo in play. Obviously you had the punt
muff early by the Colt and then you had Daniel
Jones vomiting all over himself. Mike Tomlin was asked about
the Pittsburgh defense turning things around, and this is what
the man does.
Speaker 6 (24:59):
This is the fire and between Drake and wine and
squashing grapes. In this business, it's nothing dramatic. A couple
of plays here and there, it might have been different
last week. We don't give a fifty nine yard ball
to thirty three yard ball. We don't let him convert
on fourth to one in the flat, for example, in
the third quarter. That's football at this level. It's a
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limited number of plays or sequences that can really change
the trajectory of an outcome. We're still the same group
that's stunk it up last week.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
I love that guy. No, he's right.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Really, the key has been and there are two big
wins Colts in New England. They got eleven takeaways, so
that's just that's like, I mean again, you get credit
for it, but Drake May is not turning it over
that many times when they play again. I think this
team comes down to really Aaron Rodgers keeping them up
right they're not running the ball particularly well.
Speaker 4 (25:54):
I'll give some props to the Steelers before I puncture
you're Aaron Rodgers narrative, because I know you're sick. I
don't want to hammer your two quickly. So the Steelers
defense did have five sacks. I saw the eighteen quarterback
pressures they got after Daniel Jones.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
He looked like New York Giants.
Speaker 4 (26:07):
Daniel Jones, right, we would agree, just lack of awareness
in the pocket.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
He was terrible.
Speaker 4 (26:11):
But what I saw from the Colts when they don't
have Jonathan Taylor getting loose, that's the difference. Daniel Jones
throwing fifty times.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
Yeah, no, Daniel.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
First of all, I'll let Josh Allen throw fifty, but
even Buffalo has been like, we don't want you. I
think the magic number to me the elite guys in
the league. I'll let you throw at thirty five. Most
guys in this league are better at twenty eight, twenty Yeah,
twenty five, and then some guys Jalen Hurts maybe better
at twenty three. But fifty times on the road with TJ.
(26:40):
Watt Is, it's a losing wrestle.
Speaker 4 (26:42):
Real quick on Aaron Rodgers, Okay, the Pittsburgh Steelers offense.
Colin had a whopping two hundred and twenty five yards.
They were outgained by about a buck fifty three point seven.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
Yards for play.
Speaker 4 (26:52):
And how's this stat Aaron Rodgers attempted three passes more
than ten yards down the field.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
That's it. The whole game.
Speaker 4 (26:59):
It was basically like, oh my gosh, I'm under pressure
because Indy was blitzing all afternoon.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
Right, I'm just dumping it. DK Metcalf was a non
factory Well, two catches for six yards.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
Again, I'm not that it doesn't bother me much. I
don't think they're a deep ball team. I don't. I
think they're like I think Seattle. First of all, Arroya
the tight end. They got the rookie tight end. That
dude runs like a receiver. JS is an absolute deep threat.
How about this other rookie out of Colorado State. I mean,
(27:28):
I'm telling you Seattle that team. And by the way,
Donald told is a great deep ball and Darnald, unlike Aaron,
is in his athletic prime and can get loose and
extend the pocket. Seattle's a deep ball team. Tampa with
Baker Mayfield, he always a great ball. That is a
deep ball team. Not everybody is. I don't think this
team is built to throw the deep ball. I think
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they are a twelve yard and under. I think they
need turnovers to win, which is probably gonna limit them
in the playoffs because the great quarterbacks don't turn it
off sustainable.
Speaker 4 (28:00):
It seems like they're built around the tight ends. Now
a lot the Yes Washington who we love, coming.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
Out of it with a blocking tied end out of Georgia.
Speaker 4 (28:07):
He's like six seven, you know, six to seven had
to say it. Essentially, they are a just like in
a box. They play short everything. I just don't think
it's sustainable.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
They were out in those two figuos Patriots and Colts.
They were out gained by over one hundred yards.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
No, No, the Steelers, they'll go as far as Aaron's gonna
get them. They're not a multiple playoff win team. There's
about four. I mean Philadelphia Rams could win multiple playoff games.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
I don't know that they're off. I don't you you're sure.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
They're going to No.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
I think Baltimore is gonna win the division.
Speaker 3 (28:36):
I agree.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
I think Baltimore's style of play is sustainable.
Speaker 4 (28:40):
So we have Patriots, Bills, Baltimore, Denver Chargers.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
Oh yeah, those are all teams capable of winning more
than one.
Speaker 4 (28:48):
And then we've got the Colts. They're in they're winning
their division. What about the Jags.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
I don't know. I don't think the Colts. I mean,
Daniel Jones win two playoff games. I think you got
to watch the Chargers. This Joe alt injury.
Speaker 4 (28:58):
Will see if it's surgery. They could be cooked. And
you know I love the Charges. All right, let's move
on to the forty nine ers. We didn't talk a
lot about this when you had this.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
You nailed it.
Speaker 4 (29:08):
Niners, roll over the Giants. The weird thing is a
lot of people were expecting Rock Purdy to play most
of the week. They're like, oh, this will be the
week he comes back. They went with Mac Jones following
a win. Shanahan admitted party wasn't that close to a return.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
What the.
Speaker 10 (29:24):
Nothing changes Mac in that way, And you know it's
you know, we're trying to ease Brock out there and
to practice stuff. But I mean, anytime you're dealing with
this turf toe, it's something that probably won't.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
Fully go away all year.
Speaker 10 (29:35):
You know, it's regardless of when he comes back, he's
gonna always have to deal with it a little bit.
Especially the people you talk to have gone through turf toe.
So it's truly about just assess and when's the best
time to come back that you have to deal with
at the least, and it's a little bit of a
tricky decision.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
I don't think this team is led by the quarterback.
I think they're old school. I think they're led by
Christian McCaffrey had a half thir yard gift.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
Problem is you see how many touches he had thirty
three touches in a blowout? What are we doing? I
don't don't have anything else. I love him in fantasy.
He's on my team. He's really good. No, I mean
Brian Robinson flashed a little bit. He had a couple
of nice runs fifty three yards on five.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
Care don't even be I don't care who starts at quarterback.
I think Mac and Perty or a wash. I think
Mac throws a better ball. Perty's more mobile. I think
this team is all about McCaffrey. If you go look
at he had the most catches, he had the most rushing,
he had the most He's it's a McCaffrey let offense.
Speaker 4 (30:26):
So the question is, why are the forty nine ers
not giving us the real story on Brock.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
Purty, Ricky Piersoll, what is his knee injury?
Speaker 4 (30:34):
He's been out for six weeks, Brandon Ayuk, it's been
over a year, Colin. At some point the league's got
to step it and be like, guys, just be truthful.
Are they coming back or not?
Speaker 3 (30:43):
Because I can't make them a super Bowl team with
this unit. By the way, Michael Williams, the.
Speaker 4 (30:46):
Guy they got out of Georgia the ed rusher injury,
sounds like he's done.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
So their top three edg rushers are now.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
Well, No, it's before the season. I took the Rams
on the Seahawks to make the playoffs. Not there, and
I said, old and brittle Seahawks and Rams are young niners.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
Age, isn't it.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
They've they've got to have another big draft this year
because they've got too many older players.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
They were wet.
Speaker 4 (31:09):
They host the Rams this week in a rematch. Rams
are favored.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
I think I saw two and a half or three
and a half in San Fra. Rams right now are
the better team healthy?
Speaker 4 (31:19):
Does own McVeigh I know mcveigh's started to claw back
last year, but that's one of the games of the
week for sure.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
Final story calling, let's go to Monday night football. There's
a lot happening right now.
Speaker 4 (31:30):
So I wanted to make this about Kyler Murray and
could they trade him in the offseason. He seems to
be healthy. But it's Jacoby Brissett starting, and all the
reporters say, yeah, Kyler Murray will have a role.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
Your franchise quarterback will have a role.
Speaker 4 (31:42):
Here's the kicker. About an hour ago, this big story drops.
Marvin Harrison Senior, the father of the young receiver on
the Cardinals, spoke about the state of the Cardinals. It's
very hard for me to watch this offense. I think
that's just peacefully put without pointing fingers or anything.
Speaker 3 (31:59):
I'm giving you a professional eye. I can't deal with it.
Speaker 4 (32:02):
He basically throws the OC of the Cardinals under the
bus for not getting his on the ball, the Kyler
Murray out of shotgun every snap.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
I mean, it is a bad story to drop on
game day. It's been a bad.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
Year for smaller quarterbacks. Tua Ua, Kyler Murray, Rock Purdy
Rock party for the smaller quarterbacks. It's been a rough year,
so give.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
Me a minute here on Kyler Murray.
Speaker 4 (32:26):
And let's say the Cardinals say we're open for business,
we're taking in offers.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
I would you know Dome or warm Weather? He's talented. Again,
I don't think. I think the big money is done,
the big opportunities are over. I don't think the top teams,
but there's always six desperate teams. And the college quarterbacks
I've watched are all pretty mid so okay.
Speaker 4 (32:47):
So would you rather take a shot on the Indiana quarterback?
Speaker 11 (32:50):
Right?
Speaker 4 (32:50):
Mendoza, who by the way, is like a genius, went
to cal and like.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
No, I think Mendoza's people think Mendoza is the guy.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
He could be. He doesn't. The wheels of.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
Multiple nflgms have been visiting Mendoza.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
You gotta read this Wall Street Journal story on him.
Speaker 4 (33:06):
He's doing like internships at big time hedge funds and
financial services. Heart would you rather roll with him on
a rookie deal or Kyler Murray and his baggage?
Speaker 3 (33:16):
Mendoza?
Speaker 4 (33:17):
Okay, and you apply that to Ty Simpson from Alabama,
I know you don't love him. I'm just saying we
could reach a point where they have to go Russell
Wilson and just dump him. I don't know that could
be in play. Colin, who's bending over backwards for Kyler Murray.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
Let's see, it's Miami gonna dump to it to get
in bed with him. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
Cleveland's drafting a quarterback, The Raiders are drafting a quarterback,
the Jets are drafting a quarterback, and.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
All Saints are drafting a quarterback. So there are four teams.
Speaker 4 (33:44):
The Raiders is the one that's interesting. Could they somehow
luck their way into six wins? Have the tenth pick,
and Pete Carroll says, I want to win now, gimme
Kyler Murray in the Dome, But then he's got to
go outdoors to Denver.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
In Kansas City.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
No, your resume in life matters, and his resume is
not great. They're his the he doesn't study. I mean,
there's a lot of stories in this league that you
and I may hear about. I know I do all
the time. I texted six seven GMS yesterday. There's a
lot of stories in the league about players that doesn't
(34:16):
make it public.
Speaker 3 (34:17):
You don't want to take a shot in a player.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
I would say, Kyler Murray's reputation that doesn't make the
airwaves is not good.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
Let me just throw it up on.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
The executives in this league that don't want to go public.
They're not going to tarnish anything. Not fans don't go crazy.
I'm just floating it.
Speaker 4 (34:35):
So Stafford the last couple off seasons has been like,
maybe I retire. I know it's in the division. Would
they kick the tires on Kyler Murray? A Stafford walks
away after a Super.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
Bowl, go look at who the Rams draft? They like
big quarterbacks?
Speaker 1 (34:49):
Well, they let Jalen Ramsey go. If they think there's
any me instead of we, they move off. Yet, it's
very much about the room. It is very much about
culture with the Rams. They don't have a bad guy
in that locker room. It's like the M nine. They
do not not I'm not saying Jalen Ramsey a bad guy.
Jalen sometimes was taking risks they didn't like.
Speaker 5 (35:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (35:08):
So, by the way, Dolphins are trying to trade Jalen
Ramsey right now, you go read about online one of
those Steelers I'm sorry Steelers Steelers at Jaiens are they well,
MIKEA Fitzpatrick's on the Dolphins.
Speaker 3 (35:18):
They're looking to move off them. Sorry, yeah, I got
the two confused, all right. J Mack with the news.
Speaker 8 (35:24):
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Speaker 4 (35:37):
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Speaker 3 (35:59):
You know, it's fun. Tell me about this.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
Every single major League Baseball owner, as far as I
can tell, is a billionaire. The Steinbrenners are billionaires, the
Steve Cohen's a billionaire. They're all billionaires. So and the
Dodgers owners are billionaires. But the reason the Dodgers can
spend more money is because they lead Major League Baseball
(36:22):
attendants by I think it's like six to seven thousand
per game. It is a and the reason they lead
Major League Baseball and attendants is because they're so well run. Yeah,
they've got money. LA is not as big as New York,
Chicago's almost as big. They spend their money wisely. They
defer payments. Everybody could defer payments. The Dodgers chose to
(36:45):
defer payments. My favorite part of this team though, is
Miguel Rojas, old guy, never been an All Star, Will
Smith most innings caught in a World Series.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
Andy pa has the outfielder.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
I mean, who makes it, you know, me inning replacement
at Clayton Kershaw touched on just the unity beyond the
money inside this organization.
Speaker 11 (37:10):
I love that guy. Man, he's he's just a gamer.
He's got all the talent in the world. But I
mean for him to step up and do this tonight
for us, Like, I mean, all these guys show hey
on short rest, Blake Snell coming in, Yeah, I'm a
relievers just I mean, it was this whole group.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
Man.
Speaker 11 (37:25):
It's just I'm just so grateful and honored to be
a part of this team. Like you can talk about
how much money the Dodgers spend all you want, but
that group of guys is a lot more than how
much money they make. It's a special group, man, it
really is. And show hey, Freddie MOOKI Will Smith, Will
Smith with a whole like Mickey Ross. I mean like
you can just go down the list. So I'm just
(37:46):
I'm just grateful man and honored. And what a way
to end it, you know.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
I mean there are go look at the rich Minnesota
Twins used to have one of the richest owners. Okay,
they're all billionaires. The Pirates owners, you know, they're they
don't want to spend that money. Now do the Dodgers
have massive game day revenue? Of course they do. Yes,
I mean that's of course the Dodgers do. But I
think lost in all of this is this constant need
(38:12):
to say, well, it's.
Speaker 3 (38:12):
About the money.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
Well, the Yankees always had money, but there was a
tour de force in George Steinbrenner that would make he
added pressure to the organization. You go back to those
Yankee teams. They were winning the Hot Soil League. They
had great players, but they had Scott Brocius from McMinnville,
Oregon making plays.
Speaker 3 (38:31):
And that's really the essence of this.
Speaker 1 (38:33):
I thought one of the things that was fascinating is
when Roki is one of their great young pitchers, twenty
three year old star from Japan, and they asked him
this year, hey, can you help us out in the bullpen?
And without pausing, he's like absolutely. Some of those teams
you asked guys to hit to the bullpen, they think
it's a second class citizen.
Speaker 3 (38:52):
They're not going to the bullpen.
Speaker 1 (38:53):
So what's remarkable about the Dodgers is that everybody buys in.
Speaker 3 (38:58):
Despite all the salary.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
And you know, these Japanese stars, you know, over in
Japan it's a rock concert, so they it's like SEC football.
They come in, they are ready for the moment. They
are superstars in Japan, and Japanese baseball's you know, I've
read for years it's a high triple A. It's it's
better than our Triple A. But the attendance and the
(39:20):
fandom is like Major League Baseball. It's like SEC Football's
not the NFL or Big ten football. But there's there's vibes,
there's stadiums, there's athletes that will play in the NFL.
And I just think overall the part about the Dodgers,
I mean, some of these levers that Dave Rogers pulled
mid inning replacements Miguel Rojas. I mean, just remarkable stuff.
(39:43):
A center fielder making a catch in left field. I
mean Rojas here. This series, it was so close to
being the Blue Jays, and people say it's the best
World Series ever. When I was a kid, there was
a World Series in the mid seventies that was the
Red Sox. It's the legendary Carlton fisscom run at Fenway
off Pat Darcy and those Cincinnati Reds teams that had
(40:06):
Bench and Perez and Rose and Dave Concepcion. That was
the It was a mid seventies World Series, and that's
when baseball was bigger.
Speaker 3 (40:14):
Than the NFL.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
So that one feels that it's just Sparky Anderson was
the manager for the Reds.
Speaker 3 (40:20):
He was a star. You'd have managers chain smoking.
Speaker 1 (40:24):
I mean, it was just a different world that felt
like the biggest World Series of my life. But I'll
say a lot of times, networks, networks don't care who
win these world series. Networks won Game seven. I'm not
going to speak for management here. We generally love Game seven.
It doesn't matter what it's in. But I thought the
Canadian fans were amazing. I thought the Blue Jays out
hit the Dodgers. I mean, some of their guys. It
(40:47):
was like Beer League averages. But I think the Dodgers
had the world's greatest pitcher and pitching. Owa's beats hitting,
and the Dodgers had Yoshi. But as a collective, these
Dodger teams do remind me of a a less intense
version of the Yankees. We don't have a Steinbrenner out here.
Nobody you know, talks. You don't see the Dodgers owner.
(41:08):
It's very research and development Andrew Friedman. It's very smart franchise.
They don't make a lot of mistakes.
Speaker 2 (41:15):
By the way.
Speaker 1 (41:15):
They let Trade Turner go. They let Corey Seeger go.
They didn't sign Manny Machado. They've let a lot of
guys go. This idea. They buyed it. Tray Turner, great player.
Didn't he win the National League batting Crown? Trade Turner
let him go. Corey Sieger, great bro let him go,
Manny Machado, see you, Zach Greenky. They don't sign every
big guy. They got Max Muncy who got cut by
(41:38):
the A's, so they do Miguel Rojas. It's not like
multiple bidders on that, you know. So I mean, they
did do a lot well and yes they're well capitalized.
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