November 4, 2025 • 41 mins
More on the Jets trading Sauce Gardner to the Colts
Colin gives his new Herd Hierarchy
Nick Wright from First Things First talks to Colin about his new Hierarchy, the issues with the Cowboys, the huge trade between the Jets and the Colts, and more
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 3 (00:29):
A breaking news NFL trade deadline on a Tuesday. Welcome in,
We're live in La. I sound like crud. Nobody cares.
Sack up, deliver LFG. Let's go all right, all right,
here we go. The Jets are giving Sauce Gardener to
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the Colts for two first round picks. So my takeaway
is Sauce Gardner was a much better player under Robert
Sola because Robert saw is a great defensive coordinator. Soft
Gardner's not very good with Aaron Glenn because he doesn't
know what he's doing. And the Colts went to Cincinnati
and they stole their defensive coordinator lou On Roumo and
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who was great in Cincinnati. But the Bengals are dope,
so they let him go and the Colts go get
him and they just don't have any good corners, and
there's there's a corner shortage in the NFL. So of
all the trades getting made, you see the Eagles went
out and they went and got a corner, and of
the moves being made, So who do I like it?
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For my take on first round picks, if you don't
need a left tackle or a quarterback, you.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Can live without a first round pick.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
In the history of the NFL, your best quarterbacks and
left tackles, those guys come first round. You can get
pass rushers fourth, fifth round, receivers, running backs, interior o linemen, linebackers,
tight ends, you can get him anywhere.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
George kittlefifth round.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
But quarterbacks and left tackles history tells you have first round.
So the Colts are like, we love our old line,
like Daniel Jones, we love our coach.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
We got to go find a corner.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
It's a pretty decent corner draft, but none arguably as
good as soft Gardner. Sauce Gardner reminds me a little
of Jalen Ramsey. Long aggressive, can be a little moody
if the team's struggling. He's kind of not into it
as much, but I think a lot of it is.
He was great with Robert Salah because Robert Sola is excellent.
He's a strong motivator. I think he's going back to
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an excellent defensive coach. Two first is a little rich
for my taste, but I've said this before. If you
are the trading deadline is for teams like the Colts.
They're gonna win their division and they think they can
beat anybody. They just had a stinker in Pittsburgh, and
they're not overreacting. They're like, listen, we got to solve
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a dilemma. We all know this to be true. There's
never been this many good wide receivers. Just Ohio State
alone is sending two a year into the NFL. So
there's a corner shortage. So Chris Ballard's looking at it
and going, let's let's we have one hole on this team.
You all thought it was quarterback, it's cornerback. So they
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solve it, and the Jets gonna have two first round
picks next year. In the next year, they gotta get
a quarterback. So the Jets are gonna draft the quarterback period,
end the story. I don't think with Aaron Glenn, I
don't care if they drafted Dan Marino I don't think
that's gonna work, but they're gonna draft the quarterback. Colets
have the twenty six best pass defense. They're good at
everything else. Yeah, Sauce isn't having a good year, but whatever,
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it didn't have a good staff. So let's do our
hurd hierarchy before Nick. Right here, we go on to Tuesday.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Heard hierarchy.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
Now go the top ten NFL teams according to College
number ten.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
My coach of the year is Kyle Shanahan. He's winning
with peanut brittle and baling wire and duct tape. They
have no healthy players forty nine ers or five and
two with a backup quarterback. Third down offense, despite a
bad offensive line, is top three in the league. Basically,
the offense is Christian McCaffrey and cross your fingers. This
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is one of the great coaching jobs you'll ever see.
They play the Rams this weekend, who are fully staffed
and ready to go, and yet it's only a field
goal spread. Niners at ten. Number nine Detroit don't always
loved their coach, lost two of their last three games,
but they're five to zero when they rush for over
one hundred yards, so it's pretty clear. The key to
this team when Jared Goff's got an extra beat, when
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they've got the run game. Detroit's a solid franchise. Are
they a super Bowl winning team? Not as long as
McVeigh and Stafford are in the NFC and Howie Roseman's
running the Eagles. In my opinion, Detroit nine number eight.
Listen to the Patriots. They're on a six game heater.
Drake May, my concern, has been sacked twelve times over
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the last two games. That is a problem upfront. He's
not getting great protection. But when Christian Gonzales plays their corner,
super athletic kid out of Oregon, they are six to zero.
So there is certainly a way they need to play
to win, but they're doing it.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
I have them at eight, number seven the Bucks.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
They're gonna get Bucky Irving back, They're gonna get Chris
Godwin back. Now. They've got a tough schedule coming up.
They got the Patriots at Buffalo and at the Rams.
But they are a team that's living a little bit
on that borrow time stuff. They have four game winning drives.
I don't love the way they're winning, but I like
their swagger and they've been able to win all beat
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up and now they're getting healthier. Tampa at seven, number six.
I put Kansas City at six. They're all in four
and one score games. They've got to get Josh Simmons
is now back after a four game hiatus. That will
matter a lot the way to beat Kansas City's clear
super Bowl or not pressure Mahomes. When Mahomes gets hit
over seven times this year, they're not a good football team.
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He got to hit fifteen against Buffalo, So they rank
second in big plays. They still have an elite top
four red zone offense, the best quarterback and coach in
the sport.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
They need to solve left tackle.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
I think with Simmons now they will don't sell your stock.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
I have them at six number five.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
I have Denver ahead of them because Denver's got a
better offensive line and I love their coach too.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
At Denver's weird.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
They apparently are the greatest fourth quarter team in league history.
But I will say there's a stat about Denver that's
really impressive. They have the best offensive line in terms
of protecting their quarterback from sacks, and yet they lead
the NFL in sacks. That wears well in cold weather.
I've got Denver at five number four. Seattle just added
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a deep threat from the Saints that went over Washington.
Looked like Ohio State and Youngstown State. That was a physical,
athletic mismatch. Four to NOO on the road. Won their last
ten road games. Sam Darnold advanced metrics. He's the best
quarterback in the league this year. I'm not joking. PFF
has a number one two. Their defense is young and
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getting better. Three state straight games, holding people under twenty.
They are young, but they have an identity. Green Bay's
young and doesn't have an identity. I like Seattle and
Darnold at four, number three. You know whoever I put
number three loses the next week, I'll put Buffalo there
highest rush percentage in the league. I got to give
the organization credit. They were too Josh Allen reliant. They
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run the football a lot.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
I think they.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
Probably need some help interior d line. They have an excellent,
excellent pass defense, but you can gash him on the run.
But they took a lead on Kansas said he forced
the Chiefs to throw and Joey Bosa that's why they
acquired him. They've also gotten I said this about six
weeks Ago. I like all three of their tight ends.
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It's a tight end run offense, not a receiver offense.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Number two, are.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
The Rams the best coach team in the league. What
don't they do well? Highest overall grade, highest offensive grade
by any team according to PFF, only team to rank
top three and virtually everything, the least penalized team for
the second year in a row, the number one run
blocking team. When you watch them play, it is so
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methodical to watch them play.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
They do everything well.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
They don't turn it over, and now I love Matt
Stafford can get a bit reckless now that he's not
throwing picks. I think they are the best team right
now in the NFC, with one exception.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Number one, Howie.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Rosemans made a couple of deals at the trade deadline.
I'm gonna put Philadelphia one. They're very good in one
score games, and when Sakuon Barkley gets fifteen touches, they're undefeated.
I think the AJ Brown situation kind of gets in
the way. The only way to puncture a great team
is drama in the locker room or a severe injury.
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So I think their last game, when AJ didn't play,
that was their true idea. A power run team saquon
fifteen touches. I think the two best teams in the
league right now are NFC teams one doing it on roster,
one doing it on coach and quarterback, and a good
defense Philly one Rams two. And with that, Nick Wright
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is joining us live post of first things First, all right,
Joe alt Out, I can't put the Chargers in. I
put San Francisco in for coaching, don't. I don't think
they're fine? Yeah anything, no, no.
Speaker 5 (09:32):
I First of all, I give you credit for the
courage it takes to keep the Packers and the Colts
out because they shouldn't be in, which leads me to
the news of the day.
Speaker 6 (09:43):
And by the way, I think the Rashid.
Speaker 5 (09:45):
I think the Seahawks adding Rashid Shaheed is massively impactful.
Your guy Darnold's been awesome. The Seahawks have been maybe
the most underrated team in the league.
Speaker 6 (09:55):
I obviously disagree.
Speaker 5 (09:56):
With you on the Broncos, but we'll get to see
the Chiefs play the Broncos twice, so we'll see the
Colts trading Colin two first round picks. And by the way,
ad Mitchell, who hasn't been good for them, but he
was their second round pick a year ago. For Sauce
Gardner feels wildly risky, and it says to me they
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are just fully confident that this Daniel Jones is the
Daniel Jones they're getting from here on out. Teams that
trade multiple first round picks for non quarterbacks almost always
have their quarterback in place, or else.
Speaker 6 (10:36):
It's a disaster.
Speaker 5 (10:37):
When the Bears traded two first round picks for Khalil
Mack when they had Mitch Trubisky, that did not age well. Hell,
the Seahawks traded two first round picks with the Jets
for Jamal Adams. They had their quarterback and Russell Wilson
that didn't age well. The fact that the Colts are
giving up the same draft capital for Sauce that the
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Packers gave up for Micah is crazy to me. It
is wildly aggressive and ambitious. But I just I feel
like it's on the board that next year, the Colts,
you know, that's Daniel Jones. The magic carpet right ends,
and the Colts have the ninth pick of the draft
next year, and that's what they're sending to the Jets.
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I am I'm stunned that this was what they gave up.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
For Sauce Gardner. You know, I really believe this to
be true. I think within the league people think the
Jets are the biggest circus. Aaron Rodgers looks shot now,
he looks nimble and youthful. Sam Darnold looks like on
any given Sunday the best quarterback in the league. Robert
Sala has flourished in San Francisco. Sure, I think the
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Sauce Gardner move is Sauce was great.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
With Sala.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
Nothing works for the Jets and Aaron Glenn specifically, we're
getting a top three corner. He has regressed because nothing
works in New York. I think it's an indictment of
the Jets operation.
Speaker 5 (12:03):
I listen, but I guess my point would be this,
even if I was guaranteed I'm getting a top three corner,
I would be super hesitant to trade multiple first round picks.
To your point earlier, if I'm not certain I have
my quarterback. Like this, to me is the Colt saying
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we believe in Daniel Jones full stop. We believe we
are set at quarterback, and therefore we can be super aggressive.
I just don't share that belief and I listen. The
Jets have earned the reputation as a circus organization, but
I think this is an awesome trade for a team
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that's not going anywhere to add multiple first round picks
and take a flyer eighty Mitchell was the fifty third
pick of the draft one year ago to be able
to add those guys and get in So I think it.
It's a potentially excellent trade for the Jets and a
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very risky trade for the Colts, but I'm interested to
see how it works.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
So I said this about yesterday. My opening rant was,
I know you feel great in Buffalo, but you dominate
time of possession. You're perfect in the red zone. You
hit Mahomes fifteen times. You literally outgained them, outhit them out, physical,
out schemed, and Mahomes had the ball trailing twenty eight
twenty one.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
You have to make a move with the trade deadline.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
You simply don't have enough downfield targets. It's very much
a James Cook tight end offense. So my take was,
I wouldn't I feel Kansas City will solve left tackle.
I don't think you can solve the inability to throw
it deep in Buffalo without a move at the trade deadline,
so I didn't think it was the world's worst loss
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for Kansas City.
Speaker 5 (13:53):
Your thoughts, well, listen, I want to give Buffalo a
men's credit. Josh was excellent the Bill. I thought the
Bills defense would not be able to slow down Kansas
City at all. They obviously did. It was honestly a
miracle that the Chiefs had the ball twice in the
fourth quarter, down just a touchdown and Sean McDermott going
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for a field goal with twenty eight seconds left and
the Chiefs having.
Speaker 6 (14:21):
No timeouts instead of just punting.
Speaker 5 (14:23):
It away was one of the most it didn't cost him,
but one of the most insane coaching moves of the year.
And listen, hat tip to Josh Allen because in addition
to being one of the most physically gifted quarterbacks of
all time, he is a guy who you can count on,
unlike anyone else in the league, to outplay Patrick Mahomes
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when it matters the least. Every single time, when it
matters the least, Josh is going to be the better
quarterback on the field. With that said, I have seen
this story four years in a and then it has
been a very different story.
Speaker 6 (15:03):
Come the postseason.
Speaker 5 (15:05):
I do think that the most impressive part of what
the Bills did on Sunday was the ability to get
to Patrick. But to your point, by the second half
of that game, three of the Chiefs five starting offensive
linemen weren't there. And so the Chiefs offense, as long
as the offensive line is intact, will be not just fine,
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but I think will be the best offense in football.
They still need more of a pass rush, and so
I wonder, if you're in the next couple hours, are
they potentially going to trade for a running back now
that we.
Speaker 6 (15:37):
See the Jets are open for business, is Briesze.
Speaker 5 (15:40):
Hall available or are they going to try to trade
for a to Andre Sweat or a different defensive lineman.
I do think they need a bit more of a
pass rush. But the Bills have beaten the Chiefs five
straight years in the regular season, and in those five years,
the Chiefs had beaten the Bills in the playoffs the
four times they face, So I agree, I don't know
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why this one would be different.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
So you know, you're a guy, you're a big spender,
You buy some stuff and you take some risks in
your life that I don't I would have been at
eight forty five. You're a casino playing poker at midnight
and doing the show.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
You're a risk taker.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
But one of the things I've always appreciated about you
you never try to talk yourself into yeah it's healthy
or it's good for me. You're like, you're a gun
slinger is a personality and.
Speaker 7 (16:25):
I like her.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
Okay, so I'm getting to my point. The point is,
you know, when you're lighting those things up, what do
you call those things? You occasionally are black and milds. Yeah,
that's what you know. That's what they're called. Yeah, Okay,
they're not extending your life. You show that, but it's
adding to your life. So I watched Caleb Williams. The
Bears are number one in the NFL in big plays.
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You didn't get him because he was the most accurate guy.
You got him because your offense has been boring for
twenty eight straight years. And so my take is I
feel strongly saying with Ben Johnson, he's a hit. He's
not gonna be sixty eight percent completion. Stop talking yourself
into it.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
It's like he is.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
He has delivered what they didn't have big plays, excitement,
wild drama, and he can miss layups for three hours.
Speaker 6 (17:19):
Listen. I think that's totally fair.
Speaker 5 (17:21):
I also think that drive at the end of the game, Wow,
was the most important moment of his career, because that's
the type of loss Colin that submarines a season. You
can't blow a fourteen point lead late like that and recover,
and that's what they had done. So that drive was
bigger than your typical game winning drive. I agree on
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the fine precision stuff. He is going to be a
work in progress. But also you know, it was a
ten to eight round Jaden Daniels over Caleb Williams after
their rookie years.
Speaker 6 (17:55):
If you polled thirty.
Speaker 5 (17:57):
Two GMS today, Drake may goes from three to one
in that redraft. But given the fact that Jaden, who
was incredibly slight of frame coming into the league and
that was the concern, has now had four separate injuries
to four different parts of his body, and the last
one is you feel sick for the kid, but a
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gruesome arm injury. If you ask thirty two GMS today,
all right, if Drake goes number one in that draft,
who's the next quarterback off the board? I think more
people are saying Caleb, than are saying Jaden this morning. Also,
if I may defend myself for a moment, maybe there's
a method to my madness of staying out late and
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drinking and gambling and doing whatever I do because I'm
fit as a fiddle. You meanwhile, got the sniffles out here.
Maybe I have built up an immunity that you're eight
thirty bedtime. You know, a stiff breeze puts you in
the doctor's office.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
I'm just saying I'm in the ICU because I shook
the wrong hand.
Speaker 6 (19:01):
You're exactly right, exactly you know.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
It's funny.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
You and I wouldn't be called classic baseball fans, but
I found like we're great. Oh I've just oh my
good sir. Here's what's amazing, Nick. When the Raptors played
the Warriors in the finals, it did not match. Despite
the fact that Steph Curry and it was a wildly
entertaining final. The ratings went down because you only had
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one American city represented in our ratings metric system.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
The fact that this.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
Thing got twenty six twenty seven million and only one
city represented in our ratings system.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
And Nick, think about this.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
Whereas international players don't move the needle necessarily in the NBA.
They're wonderful people and wonderful players, but they're kind of
they're not big personalities. The two best Dodgers are Japanese stars.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
And I said this the other day.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
If baseball's America's pastime, the Dodgers are the globe team,
the road attendants, the home attendants. I'm setting myself this
number is being under reported. How did the whole series
and the fanfare and the finishes last for you, Land,
for you?
Speaker 6 (20:13):
I mean it was.
Speaker 5 (20:13):
I mean the fact that Game seven of the NBA
Finals did sixteen seventeen million and this did twenty six
twenty seven million, to your point, without two American cities
as the home cities, is remarkable. But it makes sense
because the theater of this baseball postseason, and then of
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this World Series in particular, it took your breath away.
And I found myself sick to my stomach to this
day for Blue Jays fans, when I hadn't thought about
Blue Jays fans in thirty years since Joe Carter hit
his home run. But I can't to be that close
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that many step occasions over that many days to winning
a championship and then just have your guts ripped out.
Speaker 6 (21:08):
It is. It's sickening.
Speaker 5 (21:10):
And I also think it's good for baseball that you
couldn't watch these playoffs and that World Series in particular
and say, oh, it's an unfair fight.
Speaker 6 (21:21):
No one stands a chance.
Speaker 5 (21:23):
The Blue Jays were the better team over the bulk
of the series. The Blue Jays were multiple moments fractions
of an inch away from being champions, So you can't
walk away from it saying, oh, what's the drama of
next year? The Dodgers had an up and down regular season,
were red hot with their arms, not with their bats
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for the first part of the playoffs, and then played
in an epic World Series that they could have lost
three or four different times. I thought it was the
best Championships series that I have seen in sports since
the twenty sixteen finals. The three to one comeback for
the lebron against Steph and the Warriors. I just thought
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the entire the eighteen inning game, all of it was
so great. And I think Yamamoto is goes down as
a legendary player based on what he did pitching on
back to back days.
Speaker 6 (22:20):
And I think.
Speaker 5 (22:21):
Laddie goes down as one of the most likable guys
on the losing end, and you just feel so sick
for Kirk and Schneider and everybody.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
Yeah, Nick Wright, first things first, it's great seeing you
as all as my friend. You know when I talked
about your habits, which I worry about you as your mentor,
and you don't have to worry about me, your spiritual advisor.
I do worry a little about you, but you know
you always look great.
Speaker 6 (22:46):
You know, I thank you. I appreciate that.
Speaker 5 (22:50):
I try to keep it in bounds as much as
I can. Been on TV for eight years, only showing
up with a broken arm one time.
Speaker 6 (22:55):
So I'm doing all right.
Speaker 5 (22:57):
Somebody get my man a Z pack, a doctor on
the lock. Can somebody give you an IV or some
fluid something? My god, he's all of Famer, He's the
fates of the network. Let's get the guy feeling better
seeing Colin?
Speaker 2 (23:09):
All right? Nick?
Speaker 3 (23:10):
Right? Yeah, it was just it is amazing this world
series hammered the Yankee Dodger World series to get that
many people, and there is something magical about that the Dodgers.
I remember last this year, the Dodgers hosted the Yankees
last year they went to New York to plan and
I remember watching that series. Ta Oscar Hernandez had a
great series in New York and the Bronx. But I
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remember that series because there were Dodger hats Oliver Yankee Stadium,
and I said, what is happening here in baseball? It's
just unbelievable to get that race. Everybody's how it's ruining baseball.
Twenty seven million people watched the World Series that had
one team from the United States in it.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
Folks, it's not ruining baseball. NBA's got an issue.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
It's getting highly international and those players, for whatever reasons,
do not connect with the consumer. The Dodger players do,
They certainly, and this, you know what it also shows.
I've been saying this for years. Everybody tries to Nobody
likes power. Everybody hates their prime minister, nobody likes their president,
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Nobody likes anybody in power.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Rob Manfred, and.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
I'm not saying this because we have a baseball contract.
I'm not Rob Manford has taken massive swings for three
years and they've almost all worked the pitch clock. I've
said that last two years. I watch more baseball. Why
the games move.
Speaker 6 (24:28):
I got a.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
Life to live. I can't sit and watch three and
a half hour games in May. The sport moves. It's quick.
It's to say everything's better faster, everything's better, more efficiently, quicker,
more succinct. So the sport moves, it's faster. It's global
and I and I and I find this too. You know,
you go back to the Mets World Series team. They
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weren't the most likable. They were crazy off the field stuff.
This Dodger team, considering the money, of considering how bigness
organization is.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
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Speaker 3 (25:02):
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Speaker 2 (25:54):
Julian Edelman last hour.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
So the Jets get a receiver from the Colton two
first round picks, giving up Sauce Gardner, who, like everything
connected to the Jets, was not playing well. The Colts,
whose pass coverage is not good. And remember it's the AFC.
You got Mahomes in the playoffs, you're gonna have Drake May,
You're gonna have Josh Allen. You better be good on
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the back end. So you know that's the reality of it. So,
by the way, the Seahawks GM John Snyder is one
of the really good ones. So the Seahawks are getting
Rashid Shaheed. He's a burner, he's a downfield Saints receiver.
And Seahawks are sending a twenty twenty six fourth and
fifth round pick. So a fourth and a fifth rounder
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for an over the top burner wide receiver.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
All right. Remember they're not paying JSN anything.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
He's in year two, and they're not paying that rookie
receiver out of Colorado State anything. So this guy, I
think his contract's up at the end of the year,
they're going to pay a home run thread over the top.
So when you draft well like the Seahawks do, or
you draft well like the Colts do in the middle
of a season, you can take on some money. So
I don't mind what the Colts did. It's a lot.
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I would have you know, I would have preferred a
first and a third or a first and a fourth
and Mitchell the receiver. But you know what I mean,
go time, you gotta be aggressive, you gotta take swings.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
J Mack with the news, No, no turn on the news.
This is the herd Line News.
Speaker 9 (27:25):
A lot happening colin around the NFL. Obviously, the Rashid
Shaheed moved to the Seahawks from the Saints. That's big,
But the bigger move is Sauce Gardner the Jets Absolute
Heist column trading Sauce Gardner for Ada and I Mitchell
and two first. Mitchell is the guy who fumbled the
ball against the Rams. He basically hasn't played. They haven't
targeted him. They were like, we got to get.
Speaker 7 (27:47):
Him out of town. But he is a really talented receiver.
Speaker 9 (27:50):
You know his game from Texas and listen, I know
Jets fans right now are doing cartwheels.
Speaker 7 (27:54):
My phone won't stop buzzing. Colin.
Speaker 9 (27:56):
They got a twenty twenty six and twenty seven first.
You know, Jeremiah Smith from Ohio State is in the
twenty seven draft. Do you think Daniel Jones is gonna
keep playing at this level for two seasons?
Speaker 7 (28:07):
I mean the Jets could be sitting on a gold
mine here.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
I mean, well, yeah, but it doesn't matter because the
Jets nothing works. Aaron Rodgers look washed now. He looks
like a top twelve quarterback. Sam Darnald looks like the
league's best quarterback. Nothing works.
Speaker 9 (28:23):
Pass look to the future. Be positive. Come on, long, hold,
come on, we gotta look at the future. We gotta
be positive. We'll not be a negative here. The Jets
could win one or two games. They move off Sauce Gardner.
They're sitting on two picks. They're gonna they could get
the kid Mendoza from Indiana, the quarterback who's basically.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
Justin Herbert level smart. Well, it matter Donald and Aaron Rodgers.
Is that kid Mendoza gonna be as good as Sam Darnal.
Speaker 9 (28:45):
Different offensive coordinators, different head coaches come on, the culture's changing.
This is a absolute home run for the Jets. Downright
steel All right, let's move on to the next one.
Coliny Green Bay Packers man that Tucker Craft loss Aeron
real bad for the chances. They got a good backup
in Luke Musgrave, but he is not quite Tucker Craft.
Let's just say that, here's Matt Lafleur on his next
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man up attitude with the offense.
Speaker 10 (29:11):
Tuck's a guy that he's not gonna flinch, and that's why,
that's why we love him. I mean, he's a hell
of a player, hell of a teammate, hell of a guy.
I'm bummed for him, I'm bummed for us. But it
is it's just it's part of it and it's got
to be that next man up mentality, and you know,
unfortunate for him, but now other guys are going to
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get an opportunity.
Speaker 9 (29:36):
So it is interesting. I just looked the hurt hierarchy.
You didn't ask me about it, but you had the
Eagles at one. You see on the screen there they're
underdogs against the Packers who were at home and weren't
even in the hurt hierarchy.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
Yeah, I have him a loven.
Speaker 7 (29:53):
Interesting will that be a pick this weekend could be.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
Is it greed Bay? I'm not saying that to the.
Speaker 7 (30:00):
Packers, Colin, I don't know.
Speaker 9 (30:01):
I feel like you're being a little bit reactionary to
that loss. To the Panthers, who.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
Do I put him above? I mean those teams.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
I mean, I'm not sure who I'm supposed to put
them above Detroit Detroit.
Speaker 7 (30:14):
They spank Detroit in the season.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
Oh well, a season opener.
Speaker 7 (30:19):
The hurd hierarchy is tough. I'll give you that.
Speaker 9 (30:20):
But the idea that they're not a top ten team,
that's that's a bridge too far. They're gonna be fine
without Craft. Let's see, the Packers have a couple hours
here to make a move, would not be I mean,
the NFL is getting hot and heavy with traits today.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
Well, there's a lot of stuff happened, a lot of
young general managers.
Speaker 7 (30:35):
I think the Browns made a small move like Tea.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
You know it's interesting. Yeah, that Mitchell, that receiver for
the Colts who did a bonehead move in the NBA,
No big deal in the NFL. If you turn a
loss I'll win into a loss, you're done.
Speaker 7 (30:54):
Well, there's only seventeen games. It was bad.
Speaker 9 (30:56):
That being said, he is a highly touted prospect. Remember
of Texas, we got a Texas guy and staff who
raised about this dude.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
I watched him, I watched Texas football. He's a very
good player. But that was a knucklehead, and move.
Speaker 7 (31:07):
Learn from your mistakes. Move on, you can't.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
I wouldn't much rather play for the Colts than the Jets.
Speaker 9 (31:12):
Well, Sauce Gardner goes from one of the worst teams
in the league to uh, I would love to be Gardener. Well,
you know, okay, I'm not gonna Let's go back to
the trade real quick before we move on to the Lakers.
So somebody smart on our staff was like, j mac, uh,
you're getting Sauce Gardener.
Speaker 7 (31:25):
You're giving up two firsts. That's a lot. Who's Sauce
Gardener guarding on the Bills. It's not like there's a
superstar receiver on the Buffalo Bill.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
He's Rice.
Speaker 7 (31:34):
He's guarding Rice. Okay, we'll give you that, okay.
Speaker 9 (31:36):
And Race Rice just got shadowed by a rookie cornerback
Harriston on the Bills, and Race Rice was like a
non factor. So Ravens, they flowers, you're not really game
planning for him. So did you overpay for Sauce when
there aren't even elite receivers in the AFC among the
contenders like the Chargers. They don't have like Courtland Sutton,
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Lad McConkie. These guys aren't superstars.
Speaker 3 (31:59):
Well, I think the dealing with Sauce Gardner is this
was You're not doing it for a year, you know you.
What you're doing it for is when you face the
great quarterbacks in this league in the playoffs. You want
to face Denver, You're like, Okay, Sauce, you're on Courtland
Sutton single coverage all game.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
We got to get to bow Nicks that you trust
they can make that move.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
Sauce is a little Jalen Ramsey to me, where if
things go sideways, he goes sideways. I don't think he's
a leader. I think he's a good football player. I
think Patrick Surtan has more leadership qualities.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
So weld.
Speaker 6 (32:39):
More moves.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
Okay, just looking at it stuff.
Speaker 9 (32:42):
Okay, all right, let's go to the final story real quick.
Let's wedge some NBA into the show. So last night
the Lakers announced no Luca, no Austin Reeves. Obviously, no
Lebron and they went to Portland and beat your Blazers
in a DeAndre Ayton revenge game. Colin, remember the Blazers
shipped him. Didn't you want to pay him? They're like,
get the hell out of time down twenty nine and
ten for eighton.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
Yeah, he plays when he's motivated. Yeah to bat He's
motivated about four times a year.
Speaker 9 (33:06):
Maybe Luca and Lebron can get him motivated. Let me
hear some positivity, Goward, come on here, you're hammer and
Lakers hammer Jets.
Speaker 7 (33:14):
How about Nick Smith? Young study was one of the
one stoff number one recruit in the nation.
Speaker 9 (33:18):
He had twenty five last night, Bronnie and listen, I
don't want to We'll do plenty.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
Of I'll just say this, JJ Reddick impresses me. There's
a great people used to say this about Phil Jackson.
Phil Jackson got the best out of every.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
Player he had.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
Now, sometimes a player is limited, but Phil got the
best of you. JJ Reddick has shown an ability to
get the best offensively out of every Laker. He's done
a really good job. So, I mean Austin Reeves was
fine with Darvin Ham. He wasn't this no okay and
you know, Austin deserves credit.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
Brownie James has made a couple of leaks.
Speaker 9 (33:56):
He's playing really good at the top of his own
JJ don't at junk zone defenses. Teams are like, what's
happening here? I'm just he is coaching out of his mind.
It's only what eight games in, they're six and two.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
He is squeezing the juice out of all the young fruit,
all the young talent, and some of them have a ceiling,
but there is there is value in you know, the
great coaches. Andy Reid tends to get the most out
of Hollywood Brown who otherwise was a bust. He gets
the most out of Juju Smith Schuster. He goes to Pittsburgh,
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New England. That you put him in Kansas City. He's
always in on Bea. He got the most out of
a limited sky more. The really good coaches squeeze every
last bit out. And I think there are some limitations
athletically and defensively for the Lakers, but they have more
guys pop for twenty three points that I don't think
would pop for twenty three anywhere else.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
And Reddick deserves credit. Agree.
Speaker 3 (34:51):
Yeah, by the way, Lakers four and one clutch games,
highest team field goal percentage.
Speaker 9 (34:57):
In the league, Wenby and down this week, you're the
best in the West. Well, okay, he has the best record.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
Fine j meck with the news.
Speaker 4 (35:06):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
Herd Line News.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
No, I say this about football all the time. Do
you is your side of the ball? Okay? You know,
there's a lot of people criticize a coach and Mike's
like Ben Johnson. It's not his fault. The Bears defense stinks.
He's not a defensive coach. He's got the offense, number
one big play offense in the league, so Ben Johnson.
So the first thing I look at with a coach,
does he at least get his side of the ball right?
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And JJ Reddick offensively Like with Darvin Ham, they didn't
have any offensive identity. There's no question with JJ Reddick
he gets the most out of his players, especially his guards,
you know, DeAndre And I'm not gonna grand marshal that parade.
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Speaker 3 (36:28):
By the way, for those criticizing the Indianapolis Colts, let's
look at four of the next five games for the Colts,
they face Drake London star receiver, Rashi Rice star receiver,
Nico Collins star receiver, and JS and the week after that,
So four out of the next five games for the
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Colts they face a true number one wide receiver and
their pass defense stinks. So instead of turning that Steeler
loss into a losing street, Chris Ballard's like, we're going
to stop it now and go get a number one.
By the way, the Cowboys should be noted traded Micah
and they got two first and Kenny Clark. Kenny Clark's
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a very good interior defensive lineman. Those are rare body types.
If everybody thinks the Jets stole it, the Jets got
two number ones for a top five corner in the
league talent wise, and a wide receiver who's a little
bit of a flake. So I can find those guys
at my grocery store fifteen minute drive from here. Kenny
Clark is a unique body type interior d lineman.
Speaker 9 (37:34):
Who do you think will be drafting that pick later?
Do you think the Colts will be like the twenty
ninth pick or the Packers? I mean, green Bay's got
much bigger upside than Indy in the postseason.
Speaker 7 (37:44):
I mean, for all, we know that Daniel Jones might
turn into a pumpkin the rest of the season.
Speaker 3 (37:48):
Sauce Gardner also has a contract. They know what they're
gonna pay that Micah did not when the trade was made,
So I don't know. The bottom line is they're facing
a bunch of number ones. There are star quarterbacks in
there to they don't have a star quarterback. They have
Daniel Jones, So defense matters. They're they're They're the way
Indianapolis is going to beat the Kansas Cities in Buffaloes
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and New England is ball control that they got. They
have to control the ball with John Taylor, Jonathan Taylor,
They're not gonna win because, say, the best quarterback ball
control and just if you lead late, you don't give
up a cheap over the top touchdown.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
And that's what soft Gardner provides.
Speaker 7 (38:25):
It's a good discussion. Are the Colts fools goal? Colin?
Speaker 9 (38:28):
Let me just ask you so Daniel Jones matches up
in the playoffs with.
Speaker 7 (38:32):
The Chiefs, the Chiefs are better at coach quarterback, basically
are going to win that game.
Speaker 9 (38:36):
You are gonna win that game. That matches up with
Lamar and the Ravens. Ravens are probably gonna win that game.
Matches up with Josh Allen Sean McDermott, like the Bills
are gonna win that game. I just I'm not calling
the Colts fools goal, Colin, but I think we got
to be realistic. Some of this is, hey man, they've
had a great run, but they're acting like they're legit contenders.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
I think they're acting like we have a chance to
win the division. We're facing a bunch of top receivers
coming up. We got some momentum here. It's a winnable division.
Let's go win it and make the move. This also
changes the way a locker room feels. Locker rooms are
like bro all those guys know SOSCECN deal. Does it
change the dynamic after an ugly loss. So there's a
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lot of things that I don't know if it's a
great move or not, but I get the move. By
the way, the Seahawks went out and got a number. Well,
they got an over the top wide receiver from the Saints.
And what's interesting here is every advanced metric right now
has Sam Donald number one quarterback in the league.
Speaker 2 (39:33):
And it's amazing. I never gave up on Donald.
Speaker 3 (39:36):
I said when he came out, I said, he's not
Andrew Luck, but he's going to look a lot like
Andrew Luck.
Speaker 2 (39:42):
He does can be.
Speaker 3 (39:43):
A little reckless, tough, physical, you know, hard working kid.
But it's interesting Baker Mayfield when you talk about reclamation projects,
Baker won a playoff game in Cleveland and that year
had a ninety eight quarterback rating. Daniel Jones reclamation project.
Not only did he win a playoff game, but you know,
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in a season, Kevin O'Connell went and got him. A
lot of people like Kevin. They like Daniel Jones. People
gave up on Sam Donald. They absolutely gave up on
Sam Donald and you start looking at this year and
last year. I mean, if you just want to talk numbers,
he's a top three quarterback in the league, just sheer numbers,
the ability to extend the pocket, great deep ball thrower.
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And their general manager, John Snyder is one of the
sharpest personnel guys. So they got js n They got
the kid out of Colorado State, the rookie who first
made news when he beat Dion and had a big game.
Now you come down, We're going to get an over
the top guy. For Sam Donald. It feels like something
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to get a home run hitter. I don't know, it
feels like something. Seattle and the Colts their their takeaway
is all right, we both have reclamation projects at quarterback.
But Steichen obviously likes Dan Jones and Mike McDonald loves Donald.
So the Colts and the Seahawks made big moves today
and they have what are viewed as reclamation projects, not
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true star quarterbacks. Well, Donald is a star, but it's
hard to unsee the Jets where he had a seventy
seven passer rating and more total turnovers than total touchdowns.
It's hard to unsee that Jets are a big market.
There's a lot of press the ghost comment against Belichick.
Seattle and Indie are saying, we got our quarterback. We
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don't need to draft a quarterback. We got our guy.
That's what the real signal is. Daniel Jones and Donald,
those gms and those coaches are talking before these moves
and saying I'm good for the next three years with
that guy at quarterback.
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Speaker 3 (00:29):
A breaking news NFL trade deadline on a Tuesday. Welcome in,
We're live in La. I sound like crud. Nobody cares.
Sack up, deliver LFG. Let's go all right, all right,
here we go. The Jets are giving Sauce Gardener to
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the Colts for two first round picks. So my takeaway
is Sauce Gardner was a much better player under Robert
Sola because Robert saw is a great defensive coordinator. Soft
Gardner's not very good with Aaron Glenn because he doesn't
know what he's doing. And the Colts went to Cincinnati
and they stole their defensive coordinator lou On Roumo and
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who was great in Cincinnati. But the Bengals are dope,
so they let him go and the Colts go get
him and they just don't have any good corners, and
there's there's a corner shortage in the NFL. So of
all the trades getting made, you see the Eagles went
out and they went and got a corner, and of
the moves being made, So who do I like it?
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For my take on first round picks, if you don't
need a left tackle or a quarterback, you.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Can live without a first round pick.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
In the history of the NFL, your best quarterbacks and
left tackles, those guys come first round. You can get
pass rushers fourth, fifth round, receivers, running backs, interior o linemen, linebackers,
tight ends, you can get him anywhere.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
George kittlefifth round.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
But quarterbacks and left tackles history tells you have first round.
So the Colts are like, we love our old line,
like Daniel Jones, we love our coach.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
We got to go find a corner.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
It's a pretty decent corner draft, but none arguably as
good as soft Gardner. Sauce Gardner reminds me a little
of Jalen Ramsey. Long aggressive, can be a little moody
if the team's struggling. He's kind of not into it
as much, but I think a lot of it is.
He was great with Robert Salah because Robert Sola is excellent.
He's a strong motivator. I think he's going back to
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an excellent defensive coach. Two first is a little rich
for my taste, but I've said this before. If you
are the trading deadline is for teams like the Colts.
They're gonna win their division and they think they can
beat anybody. They just had a stinker in Pittsburgh, and
they're not overreacting. They're like, listen, we got to solve
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a dilemma. We all know this to be true. There's
never been this many good wide receivers. Just Ohio State
alone is sending two a year into the NFL. So
there's a corner shortage. So Chris Ballard's looking at it
and going, let's let's we have one hole on this team.
You all thought it was quarterback, it's cornerback. So they
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solve it, and the Jets gonna have two first round
picks next year. In the next year, they gotta get
a quarterback. So the Jets are gonna draft the quarterback period,
end the story. I don't think with Aaron Glenn, I
don't care if they drafted Dan Marino I don't think
that's gonna work, but they're gonna draft the quarterback. Colets
have the twenty six best pass defense. They're good at
everything else. Yeah, Sauce isn't having a good year, but whatever,
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it didn't have a good staff. So let's do our
hurd hierarchy before Nick. Right here, we go on to Tuesday.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Heard hierarchy.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
Now go the top ten NFL teams according to College
number ten.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
My coach of the year is Kyle Shanahan. He's winning
with peanut brittle and baling wire and duct tape. They
have no healthy players forty nine ers or five and
two with a backup quarterback. Third down offense, despite a
bad offensive line, is top three in the league. Basically,
the offense is Christian McCaffrey and cross your fingers. This
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is one of the great coaching jobs you'll ever see.
They play the Rams this weekend, who are fully staffed
and ready to go, and yet it's only a field
goal spread. Niners at ten. Number nine Detroit don't always
loved their coach, lost two of their last three games,
but they're five to zero when they rush for over
one hundred yards, so it's pretty clear. The key to
this team when Jared Goff's got an extra beat, when
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they've got the run game. Detroit's a solid franchise. Are
they a super Bowl winning team? Not as long as
McVeigh and Stafford are in the NFC and Howie Roseman's
running the Eagles. In my opinion, Detroit nine number eight.
Listen to the Patriots. They're on a six game heater.
Drake May, my concern, has been sacked twelve times over
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the last two games. That is a problem upfront. He's
not getting great protection. But when Christian Gonzales plays their corner,
super athletic kid out of Oregon, they are six to zero.
So there is certainly a way they need to play
to win, but they're doing it.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
I have them at eight, number seven the Bucks.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
They're gonna get Bucky Irving back, They're gonna get Chris
Godwin back. Now. They've got a tough schedule coming up.
They got the Patriots at Buffalo and at the Rams.
But they are a team that's living a little bit
on that borrow time stuff. They have four game winning drives.
I don't love the way they're winning, but I like
their swagger and they've been able to win all beat
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up and now they're getting healthier. Tampa at seven, number six.
I put Kansas City at six. They're all in four
and one score games. They've got to get Josh Simmons
is now back after a four game hiatus. That will
matter a lot the way to beat Kansas City's clear
super Bowl or not pressure Mahomes. When Mahomes gets hit
over seven times this year, they're not a good football team.
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He got to hit fifteen against Buffalo, So they rank
second in big plays. They still have an elite top
four red zone offense, the best quarterback and coach in
the sport.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
They need to solve left tackle.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
I think with Simmons now they will don't sell your stock.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
I have them at six number five.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
I have Denver ahead of them because Denver's got a
better offensive line and I love their coach too.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
At Denver's weird.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
They apparently are the greatest fourth quarter team in league history.
But I will say there's a stat about Denver that's
really impressive. They have the best offensive line in terms
of protecting their quarterback from sacks, and yet they lead
the NFL in sacks. That wears well in cold weather.
I've got Denver at five number four. Seattle just added
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a deep threat from the Saints that went over Washington.
Looked like Ohio State and Youngstown State. That was a physical,
athletic mismatch. Four to NOO on the road. Won their last
ten road games. Sam Darnold advanced metrics. He's the best
quarterback in the league this year. I'm not joking. PFF
has a number one two. Their defense is young and
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getting better. Three state straight games, holding people under twenty.
They are young, but they have an identity. Green Bay's
young and doesn't have an identity. I like Seattle and
Darnold at four, number three. You know whoever I put
number three loses the next week, I'll put Buffalo there
highest rush percentage in the league. I got to give
the organization credit. They were too Josh Allen reliant. They
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run the football a lot.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
I think they.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
Probably need some help interior d line. They have an excellent,
excellent pass defense, but you can gash him on the run.
But they took a lead on Kansas said he forced
the Chiefs to throw and Joey Bosa that's why they
acquired him. They've also gotten I said this about six
weeks Ago. I like all three of their tight ends.
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It's a tight end run offense, not a receiver offense.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Number two, are.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
The Rams the best coach team in the league. What
don't they do well? Highest overall grade, highest offensive grade
by any team according to PFF, only team to rank
top three and virtually everything, the least penalized team for
the second year in a row, the number one run
blocking team. When you watch them play, it is so
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methodical to watch them play.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
They do everything well.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
They don't turn it over, and now I love Matt
Stafford can get a bit reckless now that he's not
throwing picks. I think they are the best team right
now in the NFC, with one exception.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Number one, Howie.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Rosemans made a couple of deals at the trade deadline.
I'm gonna put Philadelphia one. They're very good in one
score games, and when Sakuon Barkley gets fifteen touches, they're undefeated.
I think the AJ Brown situation kind of gets in
the way. The only way to puncture a great team
is drama in the locker room or a severe injury.
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So I think their last game, when AJ didn't play,
that was their true idea. A power run team saquon
fifteen touches. I think the two best teams in the
league right now are NFC teams one doing it on roster,
one doing it on coach and quarterback, and a good
defense Philly one Rams two. And with that, Nick Wright
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is joining us live post of first things First, all right,
Joe alt Out, I can't put the Chargers in. I
put San Francisco in for coaching, don't. I don't think
they're fine? Yeah anything, no, no.
Speaker 5 (09:32):
I First of all, I give you credit for the
courage it takes to keep the Packers and the Colts
out because they shouldn't be in, which leads me to
the news of the day.
Speaker 6 (09:43):
And by the way, I think the Rashid.
Speaker 5 (09:45):
I think the Seahawks adding Rashid Shaheed is massively impactful.
Your guy Darnold's been awesome. The Seahawks have been maybe
the most underrated team in the league.
Speaker 6 (09:55):
I obviously disagree.
Speaker 5 (09:56):
With you on the Broncos, but we'll get to see
the Chiefs play the Broncos twice, so we'll see the
Colts trading Colin two first round picks. And by the way,
ad Mitchell, who hasn't been good for them, but he
was their second round pick a year ago. For Sauce
Gardner feels wildly risky, and it says to me they
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are just fully confident that this Daniel Jones is the
Daniel Jones they're getting from here on out. Teams that
trade multiple first round picks for non quarterbacks almost always
have their quarterback in place, or else.
Speaker 6 (10:36):
It's a disaster.
Speaker 5 (10:37):
When the Bears traded two first round picks for Khalil
Mack when they had Mitch Trubisky, that did not age well. Hell,
the Seahawks traded two first round picks with the Jets
for Jamal Adams. They had their quarterback and Russell Wilson
that didn't age well. The fact that the Colts are
giving up the same draft capital for Sauce that the
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Packers gave up for Micah is crazy to me. It
is wildly aggressive and ambitious. But I just I feel
like it's on the board that next year, the Colts,
you know, that's Daniel Jones. The magic carpet right ends,
and the Colts have the ninth pick of the draft
next year, and that's what they're sending to the Jets.
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I am I'm stunned that this was what they gave up.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
For Sauce Gardner. You know, I really believe this to
be true. I think within the league people think the
Jets are the biggest circus. Aaron Rodgers looks shot now,
he looks nimble and youthful. Sam Darnold looks like on
any given Sunday the best quarterback in the league. Robert
Sala has flourished in San Francisco. Sure, I think the
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Sauce Gardner move is Sauce was great.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
With Sala.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
Nothing works for the Jets and Aaron Glenn specifically, we're
getting a top three corner. He has regressed because nothing
works in New York. I think it's an indictment of
the Jets operation.
Speaker 5 (12:03):
I listen, but I guess my point would be this,
even if I was guaranteed I'm getting a top three corner,
I would be super hesitant to trade multiple first round picks.
To your point earlier, if I'm not certain I have
my quarterback. Like this, to me is the Colt saying
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we believe in Daniel Jones full stop. We believe we
are set at quarterback, and therefore we can be super aggressive.
I just don't share that belief and I listen. The
Jets have earned the reputation as a circus organization, but
I think this is an awesome trade for a team
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that's not going anywhere to add multiple first round picks
and take a flyer eighty Mitchell was the fifty third
pick of the draft one year ago to be able
to add those guys and get in So I think it.
It's a potentially excellent trade for the Jets and a
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very risky trade for the Colts, but I'm interested to
see how it works.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
So I said this about yesterday. My opening rant was,
I know you feel great in Buffalo, but you dominate
time of possession. You're perfect in the red zone. You
hit Mahomes fifteen times. You literally outgained them, outhit them out, physical,
out schemed, and Mahomes had the ball trailing twenty eight
twenty one.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
You have to make a move with the trade deadline.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
You simply don't have enough downfield targets. It's very much
a James Cook tight end offense. So my take was,
I wouldn't I feel Kansas City will solve left tackle.
I don't think you can solve the inability to throw
it deep in Buffalo without a move at the trade deadline,
so I didn't think it was the world's worst loss
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for Kansas City.
Speaker 5 (13:53):
Your thoughts, well, listen, I want to give Buffalo a
men's credit. Josh was excellent the Bill. I thought the
Bills defense would not be able to slow down Kansas
City at all. They obviously did. It was honestly a
miracle that the Chiefs had the ball twice in the
fourth quarter, down just a touchdown and Sean McDermott going
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for a field goal with twenty eight seconds left and
the Chiefs having.
Speaker 6 (14:21):
No timeouts instead of just punting.
Speaker 5 (14:23):
It away was one of the most it didn't cost him,
but one of the most insane coaching moves of the year.
And listen, hat tip to Josh Allen because in addition
to being one of the most physically gifted quarterbacks of
all time, he is a guy who you can count on,
unlike anyone else in the league, to outplay Patrick Mahomes
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when it matters the least. Every single time, when it
matters the least, Josh is going to be the better
quarterback on the field. With that said, I have seen
this story four years in a and then it has
been a very different story.
Speaker 6 (15:03):
Come the postseason.
Speaker 5 (15:05):
I do think that the most impressive part of what
the Bills did on Sunday was the ability to get
to Patrick. But to your point, by the second half
of that game, three of the Chiefs five starting offensive
linemen weren't there. And so the Chiefs offense, as long
as the offensive line is intact, will be not just fine,
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but I think will be the best offense in football.
They still need more of a pass rush, and so
I wonder, if you're in the next couple hours, are
they potentially going to trade for a running back now
that we.
Speaker 6 (15:37):
See the Jets are open for business, is Briesze.
Speaker 5 (15:40):
Hall available or are they going to try to trade
for a to Andre Sweat or a different defensive lineman.
I do think they need a bit more of a
pass rush. But the Bills have beaten the Chiefs five
straight years in the regular season, and in those five years,
the Chiefs had beaten the Bills in the playoffs the
four times they face, So I agree, I don't know
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why this one would be different.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
So you know, you're a guy, you're a big spender,
You buy some stuff and you take some risks in
your life that I don't I would have been at
eight forty five. You're a casino playing poker at midnight
and doing the show.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
You're a risk taker.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
But one of the things I've always appreciated about you
you never try to talk yourself into yeah it's healthy
or it's good for me. You're like, you're a gun
slinger is a personality and.
Speaker 7 (16:25):
I like her.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
Okay, so I'm getting to my point. The point is,
you know, when you're lighting those things up, what do
you call those things? You occasionally are black and milds. Yeah,
that's what you know. That's what they're called. Yeah, Okay,
they're not extending your life. You show that, but it's
adding to your life. So I watched Caleb Williams. The
Bears are number one in the NFL in big plays.
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You didn't get him because he was the most accurate guy.
You got him because your offense has been boring for
twenty eight straight years. And so my take is I
feel strongly saying with Ben Johnson, he's a hit. He's
not gonna be sixty eight percent completion. Stop talking yourself
into it.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
It's like he is.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
He has delivered what they didn't have big plays, excitement,
wild drama, and he can miss layups for three hours.
Speaker 6 (17:19):
Listen. I think that's totally fair.
Speaker 5 (17:21):
I also think that drive at the end of the game, Wow,
was the most important moment of his career, because that's
the type of loss Colin that submarines a season. You
can't blow a fourteen point lead late like that and recover,
and that's what they had done. So that drive was
bigger than your typical game winning drive. I agree on
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the fine precision stuff. He is going to be a
work in progress. But also you know, it was a
ten to eight round Jaden Daniels over Caleb Williams after
their rookie years.
Speaker 6 (17:55):
If you polled thirty.
Speaker 5 (17:57):
Two GMS today, Drake may goes from three to one
in that redraft. But given the fact that Jaden, who
was incredibly slight of frame coming into the league and
that was the concern, has now had four separate injuries
to four different parts of his body, and the last
one is you feel sick for the kid, but a
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gruesome arm injury. If you ask thirty two GMS today,
all right, if Drake goes number one in that draft,
who's the next quarterback off the board? I think more
people are saying Caleb, than are saying Jaden this morning. Also,
if I may defend myself for a moment, maybe there's
a method to my madness of staying out late and
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drinking and gambling and doing whatever I do because I'm
fit as a fiddle. You meanwhile, got the sniffles out here.
Maybe I have built up an immunity that you're eight
thirty bedtime. You know, a stiff breeze puts you in
the doctor's office.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
I'm just saying I'm in the ICU because I shook
the wrong hand.
Speaker 6 (19:01):
You're exactly right, exactly you know.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
It's funny.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
You and I wouldn't be called classic baseball fans, but
I found like we're great. Oh I've just oh my
good sir. Here's what's amazing, Nick. When the Raptors played
the Warriors in the finals, it did not match. Despite
the fact that Steph Curry and it was a wildly
entertaining final. The ratings went down because you only had
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one American city represented in our ratings metric system.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
The fact that this.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
Thing got twenty six twenty seven million and only one
city represented in our ratings system.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
And Nick, think about this.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
Whereas international players don't move the needle necessarily in the NBA.
They're wonderful people and wonderful players, but they're kind of
they're not big personalities. The two best Dodgers are Japanese stars.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
And I said this the other day.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
If baseball's America's pastime, the Dodgers are the globe team,
the road attendants, the home attendants. I'm setting myself this
number is being under reported. How did the whole series
and the fanfare and the finishes last for you, Land,
for you?
Speaker 6 (20:13):
I mean it was.
Speaker 5 (20:13):
I mean the fact that Game seven of the NBA
Finals did sixteen seventeen million and this did twenty six
twenty seven million, to your point, without two American cities
as the home cities, is remarkable. But it makes sense
because the theater of this baseball postseason, and then of
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this World Series in particular, it took your breath away.
And I found myself sick to my stomach to this
day for Blue Jays fans, when I hadn't thought about
Blue Jays fans in thirty years since Joe Carter hit
his home run. But I can't to be that close
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that many step occasions over that many days to winning
a championship and then just have your guts ripped out.
Speaker 6 (21:08):
It is. It's sickening.
Speaker 5 (21:10):
And I also think it's good for baseball that you
couldn't watch these playoffs and that World Series in particular
and say, oh, it's an unfair fight.
Speaker 6 (21:21):
No one stands a chance.
Speaker 5 (21:23):
The Blue Jays were the better team over the bulk
of the series. The Blue Jays were multiple moments fractions
of an inch away from being champions, So you can't
walk away from it saying, oh, what's the drama of
next year? The Dodgers had an up and down regular season,
were red hot with their arms, not with their bats
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for the first part of the playoffs, and then played
in an epic World Series that they could have lost
three or four different times. I thought it was the
best Championships series that I have seen in sports since
the twenty sixteen finals. The three to one comeback for
the lebron against Steph and the Warriors. I just thought
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the entire the eighteen inning game, all of it was
so great. And I think Yamamoto is goes down as
a legendary player based on what he did pitching on
back to back days.
Speaker 6 (22:20):
And I think.
Speaker 5 (22:21):
Laddie goes down as one of the most likable guys
on the losing end, and you just feel so sick
for Kirk and Schneider and everybody.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
Yeah, Nick Wright, first things first, it's great seeing you
as all as my friend. You know when I talked
about your habits, which I worry about you as your mentor,
and you don't have to worry about me, your spiritual advisor.
I do worry a little about you, but you know
you always look great.
Speaker 6 (22:46):
You know, I thank you. I appreciate that.
Speaker 5 (22:50):
I try to keep it in bounds as much as
I can. Been on TV for eight years, only showing
up with a broken arm one time.
Speaker 6 (22:55):
So I'm doing all right.
Speaker 5 (22:57):
Somebody get my man a Z pack, a doctor on
the lock. Can somebody give you an IV or some
fluid something? My god, he's all of Famer, He's the
fates of the network. Let's get the guy feeling better
seeing Colin?
Speaker 2 (23:09):
All right? Nick?
Speaker 3 (23:10):
Right? Yeah, it was just it is amazing this world
series hammered the Yankee Dodger World series to get that
many people, and there is something magical about that the Dodgers.
I remember last this year, the Dodgers hosted the Yankees
last year they went to New York to plan and
I remember watching that series. Ta Oscar Hernandez had a
great series in New York and the Bronx. But I
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remember that series because there were Dodger hats Oliver Yankee Stadium,
and I said, what is happening here in baseball? It's
just unbelievable to get that race. Everybody's how it's ruining baseball.
Twenty seven million people watched the World Series that had
one team from the United States in it.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
Folks, it's not ruining baseball. NBA's got an issue.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
It's getting highly international and those players, for whatever reasons,
do not connect with the consumer. The Dodger players do,
They certainly, and this, you know what it also shows.
I've been saying this for years. Everybody tries to Nobody
likes power. Everybody hates their prime minister, nobody likes their president,
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Nobody likes anybody in power.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Rob Manfred, and.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
I'm not saying this because we have a baseball contract.
I'm not Rob Manford has taken massive swings for three
years and they've almost all worked the pitch clock. I've
said that last two years. I watch more baseball. Why
the games move.
Speaker 6 (24:28):
I got a.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
Life to live. I can't sit and watch three and
a half hour games in May. The sport moves. It's quick.
It's to say everything's better faster, everything's better, more efficiently, quicker,
more succinct. So the sport moves, it's faster. It's global
and I and I and I find this too. You know,
you go back to the Mets World Series team. They
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weren't the most likable. They were crazy off the field stuff.
This Dodger team, considering the money, of considering how bigness
organization is.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
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Speaker 3 (25:02):
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Speaker 2 (25:54):
Julian Edelman last hour.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
So the Jets get a receiver from the Colton two
first round picks, giving up Sauce Gardner, who, like everything
connected to the Jets, was not playing well. The Colts,
whose pass coverage is not good. And remember it's the AFC.
You got Mahomes in the playoffs, you're gonna have Drake May,
You're gonna have Josh Allen. You better be good on
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the back end. So you know that's the reality of it. So,
by the way, the Seahawks GM John Snyder is one
of the really good ones. So the Seahawks are getting
Rashid Shaheed. He's a burner, he's a downfield Saints receiver.
And Seahawks are sending a twenty twenty six fourth and
fifth round pick. So a fourth and a fifth rounder
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for an over the top burner wide receiver.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
All right. Remember they're not paying JSN anything.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
He's in year two, and they're not paying that rookie
receiver out of Colorado State anything. So this guy, I
think his contract's up at the end of the year,
they're going to pay a home run thread over the top.
So when you draft well like the Seahawks do, or
you draft well like the Colts do in the middle
of a season, you can take on some money. So
I don't mind what the Colts did. It's a lot.
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I would have you know, I would have preferred a
first and a third or a first and a fourth
and Mitchell the receiver. But you know what I mean,
go time, you gotta be aggressive, you gotta take swings.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
J Mack with the news, No, no turn on the news.
This is the herd Line News.
Speaker 9 (27:25):
A lot happening colin around the NFL. Obviously, the Rashid
Shaheed moved to the Seahawks from the Saints. That's big,
But the bigger move is Sauce Gardner the Jets Absolute
Heist column trading Sauce Gardner for Ada and I Mitchell
and two first. Mitchell is the guy who fumbled the
ball against the Rams. He basically hasn't played. They haven't
targeted him. They were like, we got to get.
Speaker 7 (27:47):
Him out of town. But he is a really talented receiver.
Speaker 9 (27:50):
You know his game from Texas and listen, I know
Jets fans right now are doing cartwheels.
Speaker 7 (27:54):
My phone won't stop buzzing. Colin.
Speaker 9 (27:56):
They got a twenty twenty six and twenty seven first.
You know, Jeremiah Smith from Ohio State is in the
twenty seven draft. Do you think Daniel Jones is gonna
keep playing at this level for two seasons?
Speaker 7 (28:07):
I mean the Jets could be sitting on a gold
mine here.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
I mean, well, yeah, but it doesn't matter because the
Jets nothing works. Aaron Rodgers look washed now. He looks
like a top twelve quarterback. Sam Darnald looks like the
league's best quarterback. Nothing works.
Speaker 9 (28:23):
Pass look to the future. Be positive. Come on, long, hold,
come on, we gotta look at the future. We gotta
be positive. We'll not be a negative here. The Jets
could win one or two games. They move off Sauce Gardner.
They're sitting on two picks. They're gonna they could get
the kid Mendoza from Indiana, the quarterback who's basically.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
Justin Herbert level smart. Well, it matter Donald and Aaron Rodgers.
Is that kid Mendoza gonna be as good as Sam Darnal.
Speaker 9 (28:45):
Different offensive coordinators, different head coaches come on, the culture's changing.
This is a absolute home run for the Jets. Downright
steel All right, let's move on to the next one.
Coliny Green Bay Packers man that Tucker Craft loss Aeron
real bad for the chances. They got a good backup
in Luke Musgrave, but he is not quite Tucker Craft.
Let's just say that, here's Matt Lafleur on his next
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man up attitude with the offense.
Speaker 10 (29:11):
Tuck's a guy that he's not gonna flinch, and that's why,
that's why we love him. I mean, he's a hell
of a player, hell of a teammate, hell of a guy.
I'm bummed for him, I'm bummed for us. But it
is it's just it's part of it and it's got
to be that next man up mentality, and you know,
unfortunate for him, but now other guys are going to
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get an opportunity.
Speaker 9 (29:36):
So it is interesting. I just looked the hurt hierarchy.
You didn't ask me about it, but you had the
Eagles at one. You see on the screen there they're
underdogs against the Packers who were at home and weren't
even in the hurt hierarchy.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
Yeah, I have him a loven.
Speaker 7 (29:53):
Interesting will that be a pick this weekend could be.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
Is it greed Bay? I'm not saying that to the.
Speaker 7 (30:00):
Packers, Colin, I don't know.
Speaker 9 (30:01):
I feel like you're being a little bit reactionary to
that loss. To the Panthers, who.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
Do I put him above? I mean those teams.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
I mean, I'm not sure who I'm supposed to put
them above Detroit Detroit.
Speaker 7 (30:14):
They spank Detroit in the season.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
Oh well, a season opener.
Speaker 7 (30:19):
The hurd hierarchy is tough. I'll give you that.
Speaker 9 (30:20):
But the idea that they're not a top ten team,
that's that's a bridge too far. They're gonna be fine
without Craft. Let's see, the Packers have a couple hours
here to make a move, would not be I mean,
the NFL is getting hot and heavy with traits today.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
Well, there's a lot of stuff happened, a lot of
young general managers.
Speaker 7 (30:35):
I think the Browns made a small move like Tea.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
You know it's interesting. Yeah, that Mitchell, that receiver for
the Colts who did a bonehead move in the NBA,
No big deal in the NFL. If you turn a
loss I'll win into a loss, you're done.
Speaker 7 (30:54):
Well, there's only seventeen games. It was bad.
Speaker 9 (30:56):
That being said, he is a highly touted prospect. Remember
of Texas, we got a Texas guy and staff who
raised about this dude.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
I watched him, I watched Texas football. He's a very
good player. But that was a knucklehead, and move.
Speaker 7 (31:07):
Learn from your mistakes. Move on, you can't.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
I wouldn't much rather play for the Colts than the Jets.
Speaker 9 (31:12):
Well, Sauce Gardner goes from one of the worst teams
in the league to uh, I would love to be Gardener. Well,
you know, okay, I'm not gonna Let's go back to
the trade real quick before we move on to the Lakers.
So somebody smart on our staff was like, j mac, uh,
you're getting Sauce Gardener.
Speaker 7 (31:25):
You're giving up two firsts. That's a lot. Who's Sauce
Gardener guarding on the Bills. It's not like there's a
superstar receiver on the Buffalo Bill.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
He's Rice.
Speaker 7 (31:34):
He's guarding Rice. Okay, we'll give you that, okay.
Speaker 9 (31:36):
And Race Rice just got shadowed by a rookie cornerback
Harriston on the Bills, and Race Rice was like a
non factor. So Ravens, they flowers, you're not really game
planning for him. So did you overpay for Sauce when
there aren't even elite receivers in the AFC among the
contenders like the Chargers. They don't have like Courtland Sutton,
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Lad McConkie. These guys aren't superstars.
Speaker 3 (31:59):
Well, I think the dealing with Sauce Gardner is this
was You're not doing it for a year, you know you.
What you're doing it for is when you face the
great quarterbacks in this league in the playoffs. You want
to face Denver, You're like, Okay, Sauce, you're on Courtland
Sutton single coverage all game.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
We got to get to bow Nicks that you trust
they can make that move.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
Sauce is a little Jalen Ramsey to me, where if
things go sideways, he goes sideways. I don't think he's
a leader. I think he's a good football player. I
think Patrick Surtan has more leadership qualities.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
So weld.
Speaker 6 (32:39):
More moves.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
Okay, just looking at it stuff.
Speaker 9 (32:42):
Okay, all right, let's go to the final story real quick.
Let's wedge some NBA into the show. So last night
the Lakers announced no Luca, no Austin Reeves. Obviously, no
Lebron and they went to Portland and beat your Blazers
in a DeAndre Ayton revenge game. Colin, remember the Blazers
shipped him. Didn't you want to pay him? They're like,
get the hell out of time down twenty nine and
ten for eighton.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
Yeah, he plays when he's motivated. Yeah to bat He's
motivated about four times a year.
Speaker 9 (33:06):
Maybe Luca and Lebron can get him motivated. Let me
hear some positivity, Goward, come on here, you're hammer and
Lakers hammer Jets.
Speaker 7 (33:14):
How about Nick Smith? Young study was one of the
one stoff number one recruit in the nation.
Speaker 9 (33:18):
He had twenty five last night, Bronnie and listen, I
don't want to We'll do plenty.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
Of I'll just say this, JJ Reddick impresses me. There's
a great people used to say this about Phil Jackson.
Phil Jackson got the best out of every.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
Player he had.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
Now, sometimes a player is limited, but Phil got the
best of you. JJ Reddick has shown an ability to
get the best offensively out of every Laker. He's done
a really good job. So, I mean Austin Reeves was
fine with Darvin Ham. He wasn't this no okay and
you know, Austin deserves credit.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
Brownie James has made a couple of leaks.
Speaker 9 (33:56):
He's playing really good at the top of his own
JJ don't at junk zone defenses. Teams are like, what's
happening here? I'm just he is coaching out of his mind.
It's only what eight games in, they're six and two.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
He is squeezing the juice out of all the young fruit,
all the young talent, and some of them have a ceiling,
but there is there is value in you know, the
great coaches. Andy Reid tends to get the most out
of Hollywood Brown who otherwise was a bust. He gets
the most out of Juju Smith Schuster. He goes to Pittsburgh,
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New England. That you put him in Kansas City. He's
always in on Bea. He got the most out of
a limited sky more. The really good coaches squeeze every
last bit out. And I think there are some limitations
athletically and defensively for the Lakers, but they have more
guys pop for twenty three points that I don't think
would pop for twenty three anywhere else.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
And Reddick deserves credit. Agree.
Speaker 3 (34:51):
Yeah, by the way, Lakers four and one clutch games,
highest team field goal percentage.
Speaker 9 (34:57):
In the league, Wenby and down this week, you're the
best in the West. Well, okay, he has the best record.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
Fine j meck with the news.
Speaker 4 (35:06):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
Herd Line News.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
No, I say this about football all the time. Do
you is your side of the ball? Okay? You know,
there's a lot of people criticize a coach and Mike's
like Ben Johnson. It's not his fault. The Bears defense stinks.
He's not a defensive coach. He's got the offense, number
one big play offense in the league, so Ben Johnson.
So the first thing I look at with a coach,
does he at least get his side of the ball right?
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And JJ Reddick offensively Like with Darvin Ham, they didn't
have any offensive identity. There's no question with JJ Reddick
he gets the most out of his players, especially his guards,
you know, DeAndre And I'm not gonna grand marshal that parade.
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Speaker 3 (36:28):
By the way, for those criticizing the Indianapolis Colts, let's
look at four of the next five games for the Colts,
they face Drake London star receiver, Rashi Rice star receiver,
Nico Collins star receiver, and JS and the week after that,
So four out of the next five games for the
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Colts they face a true number one wide receiver and
their pass defense stinks. So instead of turning that Steeler
loss into a losing street, Chris Ballard's like, we're going
to stop it now and go get a number one.
By the way, the Cowboys should be noted traded Micah
and they got two first and Kenny Clark. Kenny Clark's
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a very good interior defensive lineman. Those are rare body types.
If everybody thinks the Jets stole it, the Jets got
two number ones for a top five corner in the
league talent wise, and a wide receiver who's a little
bit of a flake. So I can find those guys
at my grocery store fifteen minute drive from here. Kenny
Clark is a unique body type interior d lineman.
Speaker 9 (37:34):
Who do you think will be drafting that pick later?
Do you think the Colts will be like the twenty
ninth pick or the Packers? I mean, green Bay's got
much bigger upside than Indy in the postseason.
Speaker 7 (37:44):
I mean, for all, we know that Daniel Jones might
turn into a pumpkin the rest of the season.
Speaker 3 (37:48):
Sauce Gardner also has a contract. They know what they're
gonna pay that Micah did not when the trade was made,
So I don't know. The bottom line is they're facing
a bunch of number ones. There are star quarterbacks in
there to they don't have a star quarterback. They have
Daniel Jones, So defense matters. They're they're They're the way
Indianapolis is going to beat the Kansas Cities in Buffaloes
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and New England is ball control that they got. They
have to control the ball with John Taylor, Jonathan Taylor,
They're not gonna win because, say, the best quarterback ball
control and just if you lead late, you don't give
up a cheap over the top touchdown.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
And that's what soft Gardner provides.
Speaker 7 (38:25):
It's a good discussion. Are the Colts fools goal? Colin?
Speaker 9 (38:28):
Let me just ask you so Daniel Jones matches up
in the playoffs with.
Speaker 7 (38:32):
The Chiefs, the Chiefs are better at coach quarterback, basically
are going to win that game.
Speaker 9 (38:36):
You are gonna win that game. That matches up with
Lamar and the Ravens. Ravens are probably gonna win that game.
Matches up with Josh Allen Sean McDermott, like the Bills
are gonna win that game. I just I'm not calling
the Colts fools goal, Colin, but I think we got
to be realistic. Some of this is, hey man, they've
had a great run, but they're acting like they're legit contenders.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
I think they're acting like we have a chance to
win the division. We're facing a bunch of top receivers
coming up. We got some momentum here. It's a winnable division.
Let's go win it and make the move. This also
changes the way a locker room feels. Locker rooms are
like bro all those guys know SOSCECN deal. Does it
change the dynamic after an ugly loss. So there's a
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lot of things that I don't know if it's a
great move or not, but I get the move. By
the way, the Seahawks went out and got a number. Well,
they got an over the top wide receiver from the Saints.
And what's interesting here is every advanced metric right now
has Sam Donald number one quarterback in the league.
Speaker 2 (39:33):
And it's amazing. I never gave up on Donald.
Speaker 3 (39:36):
I said when he came out, I said, he's not
Andrew Luck, but he's going to look a lot like
Andrew Luck.
Speaker 2 (39:42):
He does can be.
Speaker 3 (39:43):
A little reckless, tough, physical, you know, hard working kid.
But it's interesting Baker Mayfield when you talk about reclamation projects,
Baker won a playoff game in Cleveland and that year
had a ninety eight quarterback rating. Daniel Jones reclamation project.
Not only did he win a playoff game, but you know,
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in a season, Kevin O'Connell went and got him. A
lot of people like Kevin. They like Daniel Jones. People
gave up on Sam Donald. They absolutely gave up on
Sam Donald and you start looking at this year and
last year. I mean, if you just want to talk numbers,
he's a top three quarterback in the league, just sheer numbers,
the ability to extend the pocket, great deep ball thrower.
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And their general manager, John Snyder is one of the
sharpest personnel guys. So they got js n They got
the kid out of Colorado State, the rookie who first
made news when he beat Dion and had a big game.
Now you come down, We're going to get an over
the top guy. For Sam Donald. It feels like something
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to get a home run hitter. I don't know, it
feels like something. Seattle and the Colts their their takeaway
is all right, we both have reclamation projects at quarterback.
But Steichen obviously likes Dan Jones and Mike McDonald loves Donald.
So the Colts and the Seahawks made big moves today
and they have what are viewed as reclamation projects, not
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true star quarterbacks. Well, Donald is a star, but it's
hard to unsee the Jets where he had a seventy
seven passer rating and more total turnovers than total touchdowns.
It's hard to unsee that Jets are a big market.
There's a lot of press the ghost comment against Belichick.
Seattle and Indie are saying, we got our quarterback. We
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don't need to draft a quarterback. We got our guy.
That's what the real signal is. Daniel Jones and Donald,
those gms and those coaches are talking before these moves
and saying I'm good for the next three years with
that guy at quarterback.
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