November 10, 2025 • 41 mins
Another edition of “Where Colin Was Right, Where Colin Was Wrong”—Colin nails it on Matthew Stafford, but takes the L on Pete Carroll and the Las Vegas Raiders.
More on the breaking news of the Giants firing HC Brian Daboll and where New York will go from here
Guest: Matt Hasslebeck
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Here we go our word two on a Monday, Matt
Hasselback three to four minutes out the news of the day,
Just change Brian Davell out fire, just like the Jets
last year. Firing the head coach middle of the season
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who happens to be.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
The best coach on the staff.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Not what I would have done, but it does give
you a head start on the best coach available on
the market. Mike McCarthy would be my guy. Offensive guy.
It's an offensive league.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
You can go to.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Cooper Rush, Aaron Rodgers, you can go to Dak Prescott.
I think he's a good B plus coach. You know,
would an a coach want that job?
Speaker 4 (01:17):
No?
Speaker 1 (01:18):
I got news for eight coaches like Mike Frable. They
don't want the Jets of the Giants. He wanted to
go back to Robert Kraft. Jim Harbaugh is not even
Michigan for the Jets or Giants. Sean Payton's not taking
those jobs. What happens in the NFL is the good
coaches use the Jets and the Giants, make sure everybody
thinks they're interested. Then they take the better job with
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the better owner. But I wouldn't have fired Dave Ball.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
That's me.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
I'll talk to Matt hassel Back in a few minutes.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
But it is Monday.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Colin Wright Colin wrong, and here we go. Where Colin
was right, I said three years ago, I said, if
Matt Stafford ends his career like I think he's gonna
end it, you're gonna look at he and Aaron Rodgers
and say who is really better?
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Right now?
Speaker 3 (02:01):
He's the MVP.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Last two years, forty five touchdowns, ten interceptions, and Aaron
looks really old. Matt Stafford with this coach, finally has
a reasonable chance every Sunday to succeed. And right there's
not a better guy from the pocket in the NFL
right now than Matt Stafford of the La Rams.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Where Colin was wrong.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
I defended hiring seventy four year old Pete Carroll, but
Seattle's on fire since he left, and the Raiders are
getting progressively worse. He pursued Geno Smith that I don't
get Pete had a year off to reflect and modernize,
and I don't know. Nothing's working. I'm not expecting you
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to win eight games. Nothing looks good. The special teams,
the run game, the defense, none of it looks buttoned up.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Where Colin was right, The Niners are what I.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Thought they were, not as good Seattle to the Rams.
That's why I picked him for third. People said to you,
out of your mind, and I said, they're old, expensive
and brittle. Old players get hurt more and it takes
longer for the old players to get back. It's not
Max Jones. Mac Jones is doing fine. Don't don't don't
blame Mac Jones. That's not the issue. The issue is
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the forty nine ers are an old football team, and
you are seeing the results of that very old football team.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Where Colin was wrong.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Now we can show the Michael Pennox video three straight
games completing less than sixty percent of his throws, and
I liked him out of college. In fact, he had
forty five career start So my takeaway was he's going
to be kind of ready to play boy. He misses,
and he misses badly a lot. So the last two
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weeks he's also one for eighteen on third down, so
he looks uncomfortable. He's skipping a lot of balls. It
doesn't look right, and I got to take a wrong
on this. It's like a JJ McCarthy. It just doesn't
feel like the right guy.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Where Colin was right, I.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Said a couple of years ago, John Snyder's as good
as any personnel guy in the NFL. And since he
and Pete Carroll have separated and it is now his roster,
I think there's an argument this is the best and
fastest roster in the NFL. Turn the sound down and
watch the Seahawks. He also got a third round pick
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for Geno Smith. That's great gmming. He's also paying Sam
Darnold less than Taysom Hill makes as a cap hit.
That is great gmming. Right now, this roster is as
good as any in the league. And that's because the
last two years John Snyder has totally controlled personnel.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Where Colin was wrong, I said to.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Dallas Mavericks, I said, they're going to make the Western
Conference Finals. They are now the worst shooting team in
the West, second worst in the league. Offensively, they're brutal,
they don't have a true point guard, they don't really
have a leader, maybe Kyrie Irving when he comes back.
They're very directionless. They're either too young or kind of old.
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So the only team in the league that's worst offensively
is the Pacers.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Boy, did I miss on the Dallas Mavericks.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Where Colin was right?
Speaker 3 (05:26):
Everybody bailed on Kaylan de Boor. Oh, Kaylan de Boor
is no Nick Saban.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Well, he's beaten Georgia, Tennessee, LSU Vandy in Missouri four
straight ranked matchups that he's won. And you know it
takes even if you replace Nick Saban. You got to
build your own culture. And nobody's discussing the truth is
in the nil world. Bama doesn't have a lot of money.
Ohio State's got better players than Alabama. It's not particularly close.
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Last year Ohio State also had better players, So they
are not the Saban crimson and Nick Saban saw that
train coming and he went to broadcasting. So Calin de Boor,
they got Oklahoma, they'll win a directional school and then Auburn.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
He's going to make the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
I worried about hiring two coordinators in house.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
Dan Campbell admitted.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Yesterday he took over the play calling.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
He didn't do that with Ben Johnson.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
So when you hire in house and don't have a
global search, you may get a really good candidate, but
you're not getting the best candidates. I thought they played
it safe. They played it comfortable, and the NFL is
a league of discomfort. So and Dan Campbell soft sold it,
you know. I mean it was a collaborative effort. He
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took over play calling from the OC. That's not what
he wanted to do at the start of the season.
Colin Wright Colin wrong on a Monday with that Matt
Hassel eighteen years in the NFL joining US live.
Speaker 5 (07:05):
Yeah, we put up forty five points, almost six hundred yards. Yeah,
I was the play caller, you know. So that's tough.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
I don't I don't like firing the best coach in
the staff mid season. If you're gonna fire a coach,
get to the end of the season. Because I always
worry about the substitute teacher law.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Everybody loves the interim.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Everybody plays great with the interim, they win three games,
and everybody goes hire the interim. Again, that's not the
best coach, it's the interim. I don't like firing Brian
Dabole now, who had a good relationship with Jackson Dart
What say you.
Speaker 5 (07:40):
Yeah, listen, I get that point. But there's a lot
more that goes into this. And you know, the losing
record I think twenty and forty over his career and
stuff like that, the embarrassing game management loss this last week.
I don't think it's those things. I think I think
that concussion protocol mix up, you know, I think that's
I don't think that's That's not the New York Giants.
They don't want to be known for stuff like that
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on the fringes, and I think that played into it.
And I think the bigger thing is just that your
star quarterback, your prize possession. He's been in that blue
tent way too much. I think he's been evaluated for
concussions four times since he's been playing recently. And they're
running him the way that they were running like Saquon Barkley.
You know, they're all this quarterback run game. I get it.
You get an advantage in the run game, it's working.
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At the same time, you got to have a little
bit more care for the future of the franchise. And
that's exactly what that quarterback is. So and I think
those things also played into this thing. And just one
other thing. If you think the fact that Daniel Jones
having the success that he's having with the Indianapolis Colts
doesn't play into this decision as well, you're crazy like this,
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This absolutely plays into the decision.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Well, that's interesting because Darnold's tearing it up in Seattle
and everybody in Minnesota's going, Kevin, why did you let
him walk?
Speaker 5 (08:54):
I mean, And it's not so much about just letting
somebody walk, Like you're having closed closed door discussion and saying, like,
you know, what's our problem, what's our thing? And like
maybe you're saying, like we just don't have the right quarterback.
He's just not elite. We need someone who's really like clutch,
you know, like like whatever the things are that we're
set in closed door meetings. And then all of a
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sudden he goes and he's having the kind of year
that he's having with Indianapolis Colts. It's like, maybe maybe
you were wrong about that, so I think it all
adds up. And but again I think how they have
kind of handled like do we trust you with our
prize possession in Jackson Dart, You know, they're not so sure.
And Mike Kafka, Listen, he's a guy that he gets
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named for head coaching interviews every offseason. It feels like
he's you know, he's been with Andy Reid. He's kind
of seen behind the curtain there. Coach Patrick Mahomes like,
So I think there's like an element there too, where
it's like, well, let's see what this guy has before
we go into our coaching search.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
Okay, so I'm I am watching.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
I said, I literally feel like I have a beat
on everybody in the league except Pittsburgh. They can hammer
the Patriots and hammer the Colts and lose to the
Bengals and get blown out three times. And I said,
I'm going to theorize here, but they're the second oldest
team in the league, and whereas Seattle is young and
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feels like they're ascending old teams. As the weather gets cold,
guys get hurt longer to get back. That's the only
thing I can figure out, because I honestly do not know,
game to game, week to week, what I get with Pittsburgh,
and I feel like everybody else in the league, I
got a little.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
Bit of a beat on what did you make of
last night?
Speaker 5 (10:35):
Yeah, I don't know if Pittsburgh's really that good. I
mean you say that they beat down the Colts and
beat down the Patriots. I mean I think they had
like maybe six turnovers in one of those games and
one by seven, So like, I'm not sure if they're
really sure who they are. You know, their defense was
really poor early, then they put it together, started playing great,
created those turnovers, like I said, But you know, I
just I think this offense looks like Aaron Rodgers with
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the New York Jets. Again. You know, they abandoned the
run game. Once they get down inside the ten yard line.
It's a lot of check with me type stuff. The
run is there, and Aaron's trying to use his all
world arm and you know, kind of has that arm
arrogance in the red zone with the guys like DK
metcalf Man, just hand the ball off. Sometimes you got numbers,
And that's who the Pittsburgh Steelers want to be. That's
who they are, That's who they've been for a long time,
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So they got they got to be careful because for
a while it looked like they were a playoff team
running away with this division. But you know, Cincinnati's not
that far back. Joe Burrow's coming back, Lamar Jackson's coming back. Cincinnati,
I would say Pittsburgh, they got to They got to
figure out an identity and do it quick.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
So you know, I said, one of the reasons I
think you know this, the NFL is a league of discomfort.
Somebody's always hurt, and it's also a league in which
there's a Rubik's cube field of the NFL. There's always
a problem and you got to solve it quickly. You
don't get an off season. You got to solve stuff
in one or two weeks. Kansas City Josh Simmons out
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a month, left tackle, OH receiver goes down, Tuka's hurt,
Sean mcvay's like four tight ends in London.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
That's the league. You have to solve issues.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
With Buffalo, it took me years to figure out running
back before they drafted James Cook. Now their passing game
the last year is a mess. Like I feel like
McDermott is a good coach but in a league of
offensive coaches, Matt, I think the offensive guys solve stuff
in season better than defensive coaches with quarterbacks. That's my take, Tomlin.
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I've been waiting for the run game to work seven years,
you know, So I look at McDermott and that performance,
I'm like, is it possible? Sometimes not every coach that's
fired is bad. Mike McCarthy wasn't bad. Do you keep
McDermott forever? Well, I mean you bring up some good points.
Speaker 5 (12:48):
I mean even the game last night. You know, you
saw the LA Chargers working around their injury situation, you know,
and you know, getting creative. I think the problem for
the Buffalo Bills, though, is that, you know, they're not
very good on defense. And I've been saying this. I mean,
I feel bad when I say it because, like I've
been saying it so long and so much like last
year their defense let their offense down. This year, to me,
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their defense is letting their offense down. And you know
people are going to say, like, oh, they picked off
to or twice, like those were like punts, those were
just like throw a ball. Like when you look at
what they are in critical, critical moments, they don't stop
their run. They don't make plays on third down, they
don't make plays in the red zone. And you know,
I think they just helped you know, they think that,
you know, Superman is going to help them out on
the other side of the ball. So you know, I listen,
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having gone up agains Sean McDermott many times when he
was a coordinator, he was a very very difficult coach
to go up against. I have a tremendous amount of
respect for him as a coach. However, when I turn
on the film and I watched their defense play, I
just don't see championship level defense coming out of there.
I don't. I didn't see it last year. I don't
see it this year. They don't tackle well, you got
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d linemen using spin moves on run plays. I don't
like what I see there. And part of the reason
that the New England Patriots look like they're going to
win the AFC East.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
Are you.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
I watched Drake May yesterday. I mean, I thought they
would be a really interesting team, but they're not even
I mean they just started playing Kyle Williams, who is
a burner, and Travon Henderson, so you know, Rabel's like, listen,
you got to learn the playbook. You better block. And
I can see you know. Rabel likes physical teams. I
can see him. Not Kyle's a thin guy. You're not
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blocking enough for Travion Henderson, Like, I get that. So
those are really good players who yesterday really surfaces potential stars.
How surprised are you go back to your second year
in the league.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
The game looks.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Pretty easy for Drake, doesn't it easier than it should?
Speaker 5 (14:44):
Well, listen, Mike Rabel, Josh McDaniels have done an incredible
job with Drake May. But it's not just Drake May.
You know those guys you mentioned. Travon Henderson started the
year third string. Kyle Williams is like a third stringer,
like a committee. They're getting major, major contributions out of
a guy that bills like go in mac Collins, and
I think it all works together. I think Drake May
is still a young quarterback learning, which is wild to
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think because he's playing so great. Trayvon Henderson's a future
star reminds me of Christian McCaffrey. But Vrabel took this
approach where he basically got rid of every captain that
the Patriots ever had and said, hey, we're going to
take a long term approach for sustained success here in
New England. That's why it's ironic that they're doing so
well and they're winning as much as they are so far,
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and it hasn't been like, hey, this is all on you,
Stefon Diggs, Mac sorry not mac joneson Drake May. He's
been spreading the ball around much more than quarterbacks in
the past have done. For the Patriots. It's been wide
receiver by committee, it's been a little bit of running
back commit by committee, and then Hunter Henry at tight end.
So I think the future is really bright. I just
don't think people thought it was going to be this soon.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
So I think both of us agreed to. The first
five or six weeks, it was more Ben Johnson than Caleb.
But I said before, there's certain things about Caleb that
are true. He's really durable. He doesn't he doesn't go
to the temp. Okay, he doesn't throw a lot of picks.
He does hold the ball too long, but I think
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some of that is born from I'll just escape like
I'm gonna hold it another beat. I watched him yesterday
in crappy weather, and I was, like I thought at
the end of the game, I thought, I thought.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
His last like three possessions.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
I was, I was really really impressed, top to bottom.
Your sense on what you've seen during this winning streak.
Speaker 5 (16:32):
Yeah, I think you probably like Caleb more than me.
I think you're ready to I've heard you say some
things that maybe you're just trying for content for when
Colin was wrong.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
Later he listen.
Speaker 5 (16:43):
He's a young player, and so he's done a great
job of improving on the things that he needed to
improve on last year. I got on here every week
and I said, he's got bad body language. He holds
onto the ball too long, he takes too many sacks,
you know, stuff like that. Ben Johnson gets hired. He
basically said the exact same things, and kayleb up to
his credit, has fixed them. He took no sacks again
this past week. He's finding checkdowns. It's not checked down, Charlie.
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He's taking shots down the field, but if it's not
there on rhythm, protect the team, protect the offensive line,
he's getting the ball out. I think Ryan Poles has
done an incredible job of basically surrounding him with great talent,
especially upfront. I mean they bring an Aussie trapillo as
an extra tight end for more pass protection, selling the run.
He's got time, and then you put him in the
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shotgun game. Most of his success is under center play
action shotgun game in two minutes. He's done a great job.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
So listen.
Speaker 5 (17:34):
Am I going to like crown him like you are
because he beat the New York Giants? No, I'm not.
But Ben Johnson, like I've said, he is the real deal.
And if Caleb buys in and allows himself to be
fully fully coached by this coach, he'll have a long
future in this division, on this team and the team
that's been starving for great quarterback play.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
Maybe I'm a little hot on him right now. That's
probably fair.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
You just need more content?
Speaker 5 (18:01):
Are you trying to even out the scales?
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (18:03):
Too much?
Speaker 5 (18:03):
When Colin was right, you just needed a little more
calling wrong for later.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
I get it.
Speaker 5 (18:08):
Smart, that's next level. That's you like those cool players
who like they're not just trying to get like the
certain ball in the trying to set up their next
shot like that.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
I wish I was that smart.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
I'm watching the Seahawks and I know Pete and John
Snyder were not on the same page about three years ago.
And then Pete leaves and then John this is his roster.
And the last couple of drafts, I've come on that
Monday after the draft and I've been like, man.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
That's a good draft.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
And then they get Sam Darnold, who has less of
a cap hit than Taysom Hill. They get a third
round pick for Gino and I guess my point is
when I watch Seattle play and if I turn the
sound down, Matt, that's the fastest team in the league.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
They have athletes everywhere. I'm not sure what the hole is.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
Like with Philadelphia, I can say, well, they got an
AJ Brown Jalen Hurts issue. I don't love their corners.
I don't see anything with the Seahawks. I'm not supposed
to like. What do you make of it?
Speaker 5 (19:07):
Well, I'll tell you this stuff you didn't like early
in the year. You know, they were calling for certain
people to get cut, traded, bench, all that stuff. Those
people have been getting coached and they're playing well. I mean,
this Seahawks team has been impressive in all three phases.
I mean, I think they've scored thirty points three times
in the first half of a game this year. So
what's been ironic about them? They're unbelievable on the road,
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and they have struggled a little bit at home. They
lost to Tampa at home in a game that they
should have won. So doing what they did yesterday at
home I think sends a message of like, hey, we
are a team improving on our mistakes. And Mike McDonald,
John Schneider, like you said, they're in lockstep. I also
think that one of the best things I could say
about this team is that this is a team that
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the players feel like we care about the success of
this team more than our coaching staff. And that good
teams the coaches care more than the players. Great teams,
the players care more than the coaches. And I think
that's what you'd find in Seattle.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
All right, let's circle back.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Brian Dabole's gone, I don't love doing it now you
And it's a great point. Mike Kofa has been around
this league. Northwestern guy. If I recall so a pretty
smart quarterback at Northwestern.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
You're okay with it because.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Of Kafka, Like if they didn't have him, you'd be
a little unsettled. But you do think they have a
guy in the building that they should want to watch
for a couple months, that's your take.
Speaker 5 (20:28):
Well, I listen, they're going to do a full search
on anybody on the planet that they think can help
get it right. But they have this guy that this
is like a little bit of an audition. I mean,
he's the guy for the last what like three or
four years. His name surfaces every time because they think
that he's a great quarterback whisperer. Let's see, his personality
is completely different than Brian Dayball, Brian Daball's got it.
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Where's his emotion?
Speaker 1 (20:50):
Like?
Speaker 2 (20:50):
You see it?
Speaker 5 (20:51):
You know it? Mike kaf does not like that. So
it's an opportunity for the Giants to see what they have.
Much like when you start a young quarterback late in
the year, you're saying, like, we need to find out
what we have in this guy to decide if we
need to go out and draft the quarterback of the
future or if we already have him in the building
and we don't know it. That's kind of what I
think about this situation here. And whoever they hire is
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going to have to be somebody that knows what they're doing.
When it comes to Jackson Dart, or at least can
hire the person who knows what they're doing when it
comes to Jackson Dart.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
You know, UCLA is going to move their football games
to soul Far. They're leaving the Rose Ball. What do
you make of that?
Speaker 5 (21:26):
Allegedly allegedly a little controversial?
Speaker 6 (21:28):
Right now?
Speaker 5 (21:29):
Is it the Rose Bowl yesterday? Besides the hour and
a half draffic to get up there, it's a beautiful,
beautiful place to be so well, I don't know. I
don't know what they're going to do there, but it's
a tricky situation called tricky in La.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
It takes an hour and a half to get to
the grocery store, an hour and a half to agree.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
Great, senior buddy, all right, I see it. Ah love.
Matt Hasselbeck on our show gives me crap. That's exactly
you know. I like it from him. From Jamack it
gets really irritating. But from Hasselbeck I can take it.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
By the way, that uclad, I'm glad you brought that up.
Speaker 6 (22:02):
That's a fascinating story, and it is super smart of
UCLA to move their games to so Fi.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
You would agree with that.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
Right, I don't love it.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
What are you out of your mother?
Speaker 6 (22:12):
Have you been to Sofi versus where they currently play
their games, Colin, So many more people will go to
the games.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
It's so Fi. It's a it's one of the best
stadiums in the country right now.
Speaker 5 (22:22):
It's so new.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
It is a great venue. I think it's a great attractive.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
It's closer, it's ten tool well, it's ten miles from
the campus and the Rolls Bowls almost thirty So that's
I mean. UCLA football is broken, so they have to
do something to unbreak it. I mean it's a broken program. Financially,
they can't figure it out. It's like one of the
lowest nils in the Big ten. So they're trying to
figure out a way to solve a broken football financial issue.
Speaker 6 (22:48):
They sound like a program that's ready to go get
a big name coach. Hey, we're moving our games to Sofi.
We're relevant. They're striving for relevance. Colin.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
I think.
Speaker 6 (22:57):
I'm not going to compare it to other jobs in
the country, but right now, I think that job is
on the optick right now, somebody they're gonna get someone
young and smart, and u se LA's on the rise
for sure, better job than the New York Giants, that's
for sure.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
Wait, hold on, it says here, it says here Westwood
to so far it's twenty three miles.
Speaker 6 (23:18):
Really, I can't confirm that. I only go by Apple Maps.
I don't know where anything is.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
I just put how far is west Wood of the
Rose Bowl. Not that the national audience cares. I thought
it was a lot farther.
Speaker 6 (23:28):
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Speaker 3 (24:18):
All right, welcome back.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
Brian Dabole has been let go by the New York Giants.
Mike Kopka quarterback coach. Quarterback whisper probably takes the reins.
I don't like firing coaches mid season. Mike McCarthy would
get a call from me. You know, the Giants have
done a lot of this coordinator stuff. What worked Vrabel
(24:42):
in New England proven head coach Sean Payton and Denver
proven head coach Jim Harball, Ram Chargers, proven head coach.
The only thing that worked, Mike McCarthy. Green baita Dallas
proven head coach, won a lot of games. You can
keep doing this coordinator thing. It is a fifty to
fifty at best shot for more.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
J Mack with a news no, no turn on the news.
This is the herd Line news.
Speaker 6 (25:14):
All right, Colin, I've been chasing some numbers on this
Dable stuff. Giants fans are thrilled for some reason that
Ryan Dable is fired.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
Listen.
Speaker 6 (25:23):
Obviously, the wins haven't been there. Starting two and eight
three straight years. Not great, blowing four double digit leads
not great, but remember Colin, this is a team that
had a five and a half win total in the
preseason in Vegas.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Five and a half. There's not a lot of talent here.
Speaker 6 (25:41):
And oh, by the way, when you get a double
digit lead, that means, man, you're doing some things right.
Brian Dabeles doing things right with a rookie quarterback. Okay,
in Denver, which is an eight and two team. In Chicago,
which is a playoff team.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
So it tells you the game plans. He's breaking down film.
If they're taking leads, they can't close the leads out. Yeah, Okay,
there's a lot of reasons. They lost their star back,
Jackson Dark gets beat up and they don't they run
him or early they may not want to run him
as much late. They've also had offensive line injuries, so
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his scheming, his game plans are very very good. It's
an incredibly limited roster where the star offensive players all
get banged up.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Yeah, and remember this is supposed to be a great defense.
Speaker 6 (26:29):
Remember the hype around Abdul Carter, Burns, Lawrence and Got
all these guys, Kevon Tibbott, all these dudes. They currently
are twenty seventh in the NFL and EPA per play defensively,
that's horrific. If anything, I would have fired the defensive coordinator,
not Dable, Because, again, Colin, if I can get a
quarterback that's.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
A rookie to pair with a coach and get double.
Speaker 6 (26:52):
Digit leads against Dallas and all these teams, I'm signing
up for that. That means, like you said, the game
plans are there. I don't know if Dable's gonna be
a great head coach. Again, you and I seem to
think maybe he gets interviews.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
For head coaching jobs.
Speaker 6 (27:06):
Like, I don't know, does Tennessee turn to Brian Dable
to fix cam Ward? I don't have an answer, Like,
is Tennessee an attractive job?
Speaker 1 (27:15):
Well, I think in a place like Miami, where he's
the opposite personality of Mike McDaniels, griff He's a groth,
accountability New York. You know a lot of New Yorkers
move down to Miami anyway, So he'll go down to Miami.
He's intense, he's been a head coach, he's worked in
a bigger media market.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
He's dealt with a young quarterback.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
Because I think Miami, I mean, if I was Brian
Dabele or his agent.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
I would talk to the Dolphins and go.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
There was one guy that loved Jackson Dart, Ryan Dabele.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
The GM didn't love.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
Him, the owner had mixed feelings, the analyst didn't like him.
He was the one guy that said, give me Jackson
Dart over cam Ward. Well, isn't Miami going to draft
a quarterback?
Speaker 2 (27:55):
Well? That's interesting. Would Dabel want to work with Tua?
Speaker 5 (27:59):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (28:00):
Is Miami going to be bad enough? They got a
great win yesterday. I don't know if we'll do anything
with that. It's an interesting scenario.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
But I think you're onto something with Dable.
Speaker 6 (28:08):
Remember when he was introduced as a Giants coach, he
had this very like I'm gonna get in my truck
and I'm gonna drive to work and I'm gonna put.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
On my hard hat.
Speaker 6 (28:16):
That was the vibe and Giants fans loved it. And
now he's gonna go down to South Beach and tough
it up with perceived to be a soft team.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
I think you could be honest something.
Speaker 6 (28:25):
All right, let's move on to Monday Night Football, Big
One Colin Jordan Love and the Packers hosting the Philadelphia Eagles.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
Off a bye.
Speaker 6 (28:34):
Former Packer Clay Matthews. He's chiming in thinks that if
the Packers are going to bounce back, Matt Lafleur needs
to hand the keys over to Jordan Love and let
him do his thang. Colin, you think that's gonna be enough.
By the way, there is some money coming in on
the Eagles today. No, I like he's down to one
and a half.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
No. I like Philadelphia. I think Philadelphia by getting Jalen Phillips.
That's it's not Michah Parson's acquisition, but he's a really
good pass rusher. I think Philadelphia at the trade deadline
made moves that you'll be able to see very quickly
to help. I think this team found itself, and I
think Philadelphia has got a better roster off of Bye,
little healthier. I like Philadelphia here. I know the hot
(29:15):
pick is green Bay. I'm on the Eagles tonight.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (29:17):
I think a lot of it is overreaction to the
Panthers loss, which we called here on the show a
trap game, and I think the real Green Bay shows
up tonight. I don't like the injury report for the Packers.
Have you seen their wide receivers are dinged up.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
Yep, gold Craft has gone and Craft has gone for
the year.
Speaker 6 (29:33):
So Tucker Craft gone, I think, and this is my
fantasy team talking Christian Watson, big plays over the top,
Jordan Love took Christian Watson. I'll take the I'll take
the Packers in a close one colin final story.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
Oh, we're actually.
Speaker 6 (29:49):
Allowed to talk about the Indianapolis Colts on the show now, Yeah,
I know you woke up early for the Berlin matchup.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
Listen.
Speaker 6 (29:55):
The Colts look bad for three quarters and then Jonathan
Taylor took over. Oh my gosh, eighty three yard touchdown run.
This was spectacular. The clueless Falcons thought he was bottled
up and Taylor bounces outside says Terrell, goodbye.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
You know what's gone? What was one hundred and eighty
six yards?
Speaker 3 (30:11):
Calling first half?
Speaker 1 (30:13):
Daniel Jones once again, the fumble issue surface last two weeks.
A lot of giveaways. I think it's seven giveaways last
two weeks. So that Daniel Jones in New York. Remember
that was the one thing that Brian Dable had to solve,
is that Daniel had a fumble issue and they kind
of righted the ship. He goes to Stike and everybody's like, oh,
(30:33):
it's a new Daniel Jones. Yes, last two weeks, that's
the Daniel Jones that was losing games in New York.
Ball security has once again surfaced. Eventually, you know, everything
regresses to the mean, like that's who Daniel Jones is.
So I watched yesterday and I'm like, okay, this was
(30:54):
the New York Giants issue ball security fumbles.
Speaker 6 (30:57):
So my daughter's volleyball team had this big meeting and
of course I'm watching the game on my phone sitting
in the back, and these dads are like, oh, what's
wrong with the Colts J Mack and.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
I say, guys, I think.
Speaker 6 (31:08):
The Shane Stikeen offense has been solved two weeks in
a row. Now that Daniel Jones is on his back
in the pocket and turning the ball over and the
Falcons I think they got him five times. Colin they
sacked him over six, So that so six seven here
we go. So that's back to back weeks where teams
are getting to Jones and he's flustered and turning it over.
This week, Jonathan Taylor bails him out with an incredible
(31:31):
running performance. Now they do Colts go on to buy
after the Berlin trip. I wonder if stike In will
solve some stuff, you know, figure out, hey, hey, what's
going on with you. They're gonna have to simplify the
offense for Joe.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
They're the best team in that division. They have the
best roster in that division. I think they have the
best coach in that division. They're gonna win that division.
I think there's this ceiling. You'll see that ceiling when
they face a Herbert or a Dragon may look on
the screen.
Speaker 6 (31:57):
Who they face after the bye Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
Mahomes, Andy Reid and Spagnolo.
Speaker 6 (32:04):
You don't think Spagnolo is one of the best defensive
minds in the game.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
That is a huge test for the Colts. And then
after that.
Speaker 6 (32:10):
The Houston Texans defense, which is very rambunctious on the
front line with Will Anderson and Hunter.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
Yeah at Seattle all of a sudden, okay, yeah, yeah, Well,
winners will be healthier.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
Do the Colts win a playoff game?
Speaker 6 (32:23):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (32:23):
Or no?
Speaker 6 (32:23):
No?
Speaker 3 (32:24):
No, Dold they win the division?
Speaker 1 (32:27):
You know, I think Daniel Jones, they've had so much
chaos at quarterback. Their takeaway is he's fine. We will
get a reasonable contract and we could draft somebody else
that we want, But I think one of the things
that is so clear in this league what you don't
want is chaos at quarterback. Daniel Jones is not chaos.
(32:49):
He's not top ten, but he's somewhere between twelve and sixteen.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Maybe this season.
Speaker 6 (32:55):
So they would likely host a team like Kansas City
unless case he wins the division or Buffalo, and I
think that that's a tough atcha. So the Colts, then
Colin would have gone all in for Daniel Jones, Sauce
Gardner giving up their off future pick future picks sorry,
and losing the first round, and then Daniel Jones is
gonna be like, hey, hey, I need to get paid.
(33:16):
I there are some troubling clouds ahead for the Indianapolis Colts.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
You see J Mack with the news, Well that's the news,
and thanks for stopping by the Herd Line news. Well,
there are two teams where there are no clouds on
the horizon.
Speaker 3 (33:34):
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Speaker 2 (33:37):
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Speaker 6 (33:46):
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Speaker 1 (34:06):
Poor Northwestern had to face USC at the Collie No Match.
We always say this, it doesn't take long in any
field to see great Mahomes and Lamar Jackson MVPs in
their second year. Joe Burrow second year Super Bowl and
(34:26):
we don't even know if he has the right coach.
My rule is, if you got the right coach or
at least a super strong coordinator, hopefully both, you'll be
able to see by the second year if guy's going
to be a legend that looks like Drake Man New England.
They don't have a number one receiver, running back by committee,
offensive line, solid.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
Tight end.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
I like Hunter Henry and he has spinned it. I
watched him last yesterday. Todd Bowles, one of the best
defensive minds in football, had two weeks they were off
a bike weeks to prep for him. This kid can
spin it. And this is a young emerging team. Kyle Williams.
They haven't played a lot. Traveon Henderson's been running back
(35:09):
by committee. Those are stars. They haven't played a ton.
Rabel's trying to work him into the system. So I mean,
all I know is I've watched him go on the
road and beat Josh Allen and go on the road and.
Speaker 3 (35:22):
Beat an out play.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
Baker Mayfield and Todd Bowles had two weeks to come
up with a game plan for this young guy, and
we watched what Belichick did the Sam Darnold. We know
young quarterbacks against elite defensive coaches can struggle. Yeah, that's
not it. So I picked him as my double their
win total team. I think they're gonna triple it, and
(35:46):
that's caught me off guard. The other team that has
nothing to worry about is Seattle. It's a great story.
So the last couple of years Pete Carroll was in Seattle.
He and John Snyder were not right. Snyder almost left
for you years ago to be the GM in Detroit.
The Allen family paid him, he stayed. It is now
John Snyder's drafts and roster. The last two and a
(36:08):
half years, he's built a monster. He got a third
round pick for Gino has Sam Darnald is now less
of a cap hit than Taysom Hill. They don't miss
on draft picks every position. Then at the trade deadline,
Rashid Saheed, who gets the now work again with his
coordinator in New Orleans last year. I mean, turn the
(36:33):
sound down. This team, I think is the fastest team
in the league. They have taken thirty five nothing and
twenty eight nothing leads the last two weeks. In the
first half, it gets sloppy. Second half, it's hard to
motivate guys. Here's Sam Darnold on another MVP level first
half performance.
Speaker 4 (36:54):
It's, you know, a great team win. You know, I
thought offensively, we're you know, really efficient in the first half.
Second half, you know, got the run game going a
little bit. Third quarter was a little sloppy obviously with
the turnovers, and we've got to clean that up obviously,
but you know, to be able to, you know, end
end the game on our terms in four minute situation,
you're running the football out. You know, that's how you
(37:16):
want to end every single game.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
And there's no fools goal here. Drake may is not
doing dink and dunk. He is second in the NFL
in yards per attempt. He's throwing the ball down the field,
Sam Darnold, no dinkin dunk throwing the ball down the field.
And in both cases two of the best young offensive
players for the Patriots, Kyle Williams and Trevon Henderson. They're
(37:39):
kids in Seattle's offense, second youngest in the league.
Speaker 3 (37:43):
So you got two young.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
Star quarterbacks surrounded by all sorts of ascending young talent,
meaning New England and Seattle.
Speaker 3 (37:52):
This is the beginning.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
These are great, great personnel people, very strong leaders and
defensive head coaches and the right offensive coordinators. So Brian
Dable the news of the day. It broke late first
hour of the Herd. Brian Dable has been let go.
Don't like firing coaches, especially best coach on the staff
(38:15):
middle of a season, but back to back years in
New York Jets and Giants do it. There's a lot
of reasons why they did it. Some of it is
he keeps blowing leads the Blue Tent circus with Jackson Dart.
A few weeks ago, here's Hasselbeck on the thoughts on
on what happened today.
Speaker 5 (38:33):
Your star quarterback, your prize possession. He's been in that
Blue Tent way too much. I think he's been evaluated
for concussions four times since he's been playing recently, and
they're running him the way that they were running like
Saquon Barkley. You know, they're all this quarterback run game.
I get it. You get an advantage in the run
game that's working. At the same time, you got to
have a little bit more care for the future of
(38:55):
the franchise. One other thing, if you think the fact
that Daniel Jones having the sess that he's having with
Indianapolis Colts doesn't blame this decision as well, you're crazy.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
Now the Colts have a much better roster the Colts
between Pierce and Pittman, Warren, Jonathan Taylor. The Giants used
to have a running back like Jonathan Taylor. They let
him go to the rival Eagles. So Indianapolis has a
tremendous roster outside of the secondary, where they tried to
(39:26):
solve it with Sauce Gardner, which I defend. There's a
reason Daniel Jones is cleaning up. It's not just Shane Steichen.
Offensive line for the Colts last week was read at
number one. Their tight end is a Pro bowler as
a rookie Jonathan Taylor right now is the best running
back in the league. So Daniel Jones is the beneficiary
(39:47):
of a tremendous roster. We've been on this for two years.
Colts roster's fine. They just didn't have a guy competent
enough to complete sixty percent of the throws. So you
can throw Dable under a bus. But neighbors hurt, Scataboo hurt.
Andrew Thomas is, you know, your excellent left tackle banged
up a lot. And I think Dabell got into a situation.
(40:08):
Was Jackson Dart's confident and athletic, I'm gonna run him.
What else do we have here? I mean they don't
have a one or two receiver, you know. I mean
we said this the downside to having a coach in
the hot seat like eber Flus last year or Brian
Dabele this year. I mean, they're coaching to win games.
They're gonna do whatever it takes. Like I get it,
(40:30):
You're you're trying to save your job. And so he
looks at it and he's like, Jackson Dart's my best athlete,
gonna I'm gonna move him down the field. Edie got
banged up again, so you know I can sympathize. I
think daball in Miami. I think Lane Kevin and Brian
Dabele stronger personalities, more alpha than McDaniel.
Speaker 3 (40:51):
Feel like the fits to me.
Speaker 6 (40:52):
How about this one, Colin? Usually I don't read my
mentions on social media. Somebody hit me with, oh, yeah,
you know where Brian Dabele was before the Buffalo Bills, Right?
I look it up Alabama Crimson Tide twenty seventeen.
Speaker 2 (41:04):
Remember that year.
Speaker 6 (41:05):
Yeah, it was Jalen Hurts, the starter to what takes over,
Brian Dabele calling plays all season, And then I looked
it up. Dable has a history of saying great things
about Tua. I believe Brian Dable will probably get the
first or second interview with Tua in Miami.
Speaker 1 (41:20):
I don't think it's about higher No, not at all.
I don't in the It was a skill set he
build was with him in Miami College. Miami can be
a loud, chippy, harsh media market. New York is Philadelphia.
Speaker 2 (41:33):
Is I think.
Speaker 1 (41:34):
I think Dabele with Miami is in play
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Here we go our word two on a Monday, Matt
Hasselback three to four minutes out the news of the day,
Just change Brian Davell out fire, just like the Jets
last year. Firing the head coach middle of the season
(00:46):
who happens to be.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
The best coach on the staff.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Not what I would have done, but it does give
you a head start on the best coach available on
the market. Mike McCarthy would be my guy. Offensive guy.
It's an offensive league.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
You can go to.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Cooper Rush, Aaron Rodgers, you can go to Dak Prescott.
I think he's a good B plus coach. You know,
would an a coach want that job?
Speaker 4 (01:17):
No?
Speaker 1 (01:18):
I got news for eight coaches like Mike Frable. They
don't want the Jets of the Giants. He wanted to
go back to Robert Kraft. Jim Harbaugh is not even
Michigan for the Jets or Giants. Sean Payton's not taking
those jobs. What happens in the NFL is the good
coaches use the Jets and the Giants, make sure everybody
thinks they're interested. Then they take the better job with
(01:38):
the better owner. But I wouldn't have fired Dave Ball.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
That's me.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
I'll talk to Matt hassel Back in a few minutes.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
But it is Monday.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Colin Wright Colin wrong, and here we go. Where Colin
was right, I said three years ago, I said, if
Matt Stafford ends his career like I think he's gonna
end it, you're gonna look at he and Aaron Rodgers
and say who is really better?
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Right now?
Speaker 3 (02:01):
He's the MVP.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Last two years, forty five touchdowns, ten interceptions, and Aaron
looks really old. Matt Stafford with this coach, finally has
a reasonable chance every Sunday to succeed. And right there's
not a better guy from the pocket in the NFL
right now than Matt Stafford of the La Rams.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Where Colin was wrong.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
I defended hiring seventy four year old Pete Carroll, but
Seattle's on fire since he left, and the Raiders are
getting progressively worse. He pursued Geno Smith that I don't
get Pete had a year off to reflect and modernize,
and I don't know. Nothing's working. I'm not expecting you
(02:47):
to win eight games. Nothing looks good. The special teams,
the run game, the defense, none of it looks buttoned up.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Where Colin was right, The Niners are what I.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Thought they were, not as good Seattle to the Rams.
That's why I picked him for third. People said to you,
out of your mind, and I said, they're old, expensive
and brittle. Old players get hurt more and it takes
longer for the old players to get back. It's not
Max Jones. Mac Jones is doing fine. Don't don't don't
blame Mac Jones. That's not the issue. The issue is
(03:19):
the forty nine ers are an old football team, and
you are seeing the results of that very old football team.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Where Colin was wrong.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Now we can show the Michael Pennox video three straight
games completing less than sixty percent of his throws, and
I liked him out of college. In fact, he had
forty five career start So my takeaway was he's going
to be kind of ready to play boy. He misses,
and he misses badly a lot. So the last two
(03:51):
weeks he's also one for eighteen on third down, so
he looks uncomfortable. He's skipping a lot of balls. It
doesn't look right, and I got to take a wrong
on this. It's like a JJ McCarthy. It just doesn't
feel like the right guy.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Where Colin was right, I.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Said a couple of years ago, John Snyder's as good
as any personnel guy in the NFL. And since he
and Pete Carroll have separated and it is now his roster,
I think there's an argument this is the best and
fastest roster in the NFL. Turn the sound down and
watch the Seahawks. He also got a third round pick
(04:31):
for Geno Smith. That's great gmming. He's also paying Sam
Darnold less than Taysom Hill makes as a cap hit.
That is great gmming. Right now, this roster is as
good as any in the league. And that's because the
last two years John Snyder has totally controlled personnel.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Where Colin was wrong, I said to.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Dallas Mavericks, I said, they're going to make the Western
Conference Finals. They are now the worst shooting team in
the West, second worst in the league. Offensively, they're brutal,
they don't have a true point guard, they don't really
have a leader, maybe Kyrie Irving when he comes back.
They're very directionless. They're either too young or kind of old.
(05:16):
So the only team in the league that's worst offensively
is the Pacers.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Boy, did I miss on the Dallas Mavericks.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Where Colin was right?
Speaker 3 (05:26):
Everybody bailed on Kaylan de Boor. Oh, Kaylan de Boor
is no Nick Saban.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Well, he's beaten Georgia, Tennessee, LSU Vandy in Missouri four
straight ranked matchups that he's won. And you know it
takes even if you replace Nick Saban. You got to
build your own culture. And nobody's discussing the truth is
in the nil world. Bama doesn't have a lot of money.
Ohio State's got better players than Alabama. It's not particularly close.
(05:54):
Last year Ohio State also had better players, So they
are not the Saban crimson and Nick Saban saw that
train coming and he went to broadcasting. So Calin de Boor,
they got Oklahoma, they'll win a directional school and then Auburn.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
He's going to make the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
I worried about hiring two coordinators in house.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
Dan Campbell admitted.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Yesterday he took over the play calling.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
He didn't do that with Ben Johnson.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
So when you hire in house and don't have a
global search, you may get a really good candidate, but
you're not getting the best candidates. I thought they played
it safe. They played it comfortable, and the NFL is
a league of discomfort. So and Dan Campbell soft sold it,
you know. I mean it was a collaborative effort. He
(06:49):
took over play calling from the OC. That's not what
he wanted to do at the start of the season.
Colin Wright Colin wrong on a Monday with that Matt
Hassel eighteen years in the NFL joining US live.
Speaker 5 (07:05):
Yeah, we put up forty five points, almost six hundred yards. Yeah,
I was the play caller, you know. So that's tough.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
I don't I don't like firing the best coach in
the staff mid season. If you're gonna fire a coach,
get to the end of the season. Because I always
worry about the substitute teacher law.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Everybody loves the interim.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Everybody plays great with the interim, they win three games,
and everybody goes hire the interim. Again, that's not the
best coach, it's the interim. I don't like firing Brian
Dabole now, who had a good relationship with Jackson Dart
What say you.
Speaker 5 (07:40):
Yeah, listen, I get that point. But there's a lot
more that goes into this. And you know, the losing
record I think twenty and forty over his career and
stuff like that, the embarrassing game management loss this last week.
I don't think it's those things. I think I think
that concussion protocol mix up, you know, I think that's
I don't think that's That's not the New York Giants.
They don't want to be known for stuff like that
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on the fringes, and I think that played into it.
And I think the bigger thing is just that your
star quarterback, your prize possession. He's been in that blue
tent way too much. I think he's been evaluated for
concussions four times since he's been playing recently. And they're
running him the way that they were running like Saquon Barkley.
You know, they're all this quarterback run game. I get it.
You get an advantage in the run game, it's working.
(08:22):
At the same time, you got to have a little
bit more care for the future of the franchise. And
that's exactly what that quarterback is. So and I think
those things also played into this thing. And just one
other thing. If you think the fact that Daniel Jones
having the success that he's having with the Indianapolis Colts
doesn't play into this decision as well, you're crazy like this,
(08:42):
This absolutely plays into the decision.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Well, that's interesting because Darnold's tearing it up in Seattle
and everybody in Minnesota's going, Kevin, why did you let
him walk?
Speaker 5 (08:54):
I mean, And it's not so much about just letting
somebody walk, Like you're having closed closed door discussion and saying, like,
you know, what's our problem, what's our thing? And like
maybe you're saying, like we just don't have the right quarterback.
He's just not elite. We need someone who's really like clutch,
you know, like like whatever the things are that we're
set in closed door meetings. And then all of a
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sudden he goes and he's having the kind of year
that he's having with Indianapolis Colts. It's like, maybe maybe
you were wrong about that, so I think it all
adds up. And but again I think how they have
kind of handled like do we trust you with our
prize possession in Jackson Dart, You know, they're not so sure.
And Mike Kafka, Listen, he's a guy that he gets
(09:34):
named for head coaching interviews every offseason. It feels like
he's you know, he's been with Andy Reid. He's kind
of seen behind the curtain there. Coach Patrick Mahomes like,
So I think there's like an element there too, where
it's like, well, let's see what this guy has before
we go into our coaching search.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
Okay, so I'm I am watching.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
I said, I literally feel like I have a beat
on everybody in the league except Pittsburgh. They can hammer
the Patriots and hammer the Colts and lose to the
Bengals and get blown out three times. And I said,
I'm going to theorize here, but they're the second oldest
team in the league, and whereas Seattle is young and
(10:13):
feels like they're ascending old teams. As the weather gets cold,
guys get hurt longer to get back. That's the only
thing I can figure out, because I honestly do not know,
game to game, week to week, what I get with Pittsburgh,
and I feel like everybody else in the league, I
got a little.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
Bit of a beat on what did you make of
last night?
Speaker 5 (10:35):
Yeah, I don't know if Pittsburgh's really that good. I
mean you say that they beat down the Colts and
beat down the Patriots. I mean I think they had
like maybe six turnovers in one of those games and
one by seven, So like, I'm not sure if they're
really sure who they are. You know, their defense was
really poor early, then they put it together, started playing great,
created those turnovers, like I said, But you know, I
just I think this offense looks like Aaron Rodgers with
(10:57):
the New York Jets. Again. You know, they abandoned the
run game. Once they get down inside the ten yard line.
It's a lot of check with me type stuff. The
run is there, and Aaron's trying to use his all
world arm and you know, kind of has that arm
arrogance in the red zone with the guys like DK
metcalf Man, just hand the ball off. Sometimes you got numbers,
And that's who the Pittsburgh Steelers want to be. That's
who they are, That's who they've been for a long time,
(11:19):
So they got they got to be careful because for
a while it looked like they were a playoff team
running away with this division. But you know, Cincinnati's not
that far back. Joe Burrow's coming back, Lamar Jackson's coming back. Cincinnati,
I would say Pittsburgh, they got to They got to
figure out an identity and do it quick.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
So you know, I said, one of the reasons I
think you know this, the NFL is a league of discomfort.
Somebody's always hurt, and it's also a league in which
there's a Rubik's cube field of the NFL. There's always
a problem and you got to solve it quickly. You
don't get an off season. You got to solve stuff
in one or two weeks. Kansas City Josh Simmons out
(11:55):
a month, left tackle, OH receiver goes down, Tuka's hurt,
Sean mcvay's like four tight ends in London.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
That's the league. You have to solve issues.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
With Buffalo, it took me years to figure out running
back before they drafted James Cook. Now their passing game
the last year is a mess. Like I feel like
McDermott is a good coach but in a league of
offensive coaches, Matt, I think the offensive guys solve stuff
in season better than defensive coaches with quarterbacks. That's my take, Tomlin.
(12:31):
I've been waiting for the run game to work seven years,
you know, So I look at McDermott and that performance,
I'm like, is it possible? Sometimes not every coach that's
fired is bad. Mike McCarthy wasn't bad. Do you keep
McDermott forever? Well, I mean you bring up some good points.
Speaker 5 (12:48):
I mean even the game last night. You know, you
saw the LA Chargers working around their injury situation, you know,
and you know, getting creative. I think the problem for
the Buffalo Bills, though, is that, you know, they're not
very good on defense. And I've been saying this. I mean,
I feel bad when I say it because, like I've
been saying it so long and so much like last
year their defense let their offense down. This year, to me,
(13:09):
their defense is letting their offense down. And you know
people are going to say, like, oh, they picked off
to or twice, like those were like punts, those were
just like throw a ball. Like when you look at
what they are in critical, critical moments, they don't stop
their run. They don't make plays on third down, they
don't make plays in the red zone. And you know,
I think they just helped you know, they think that,
you know, Superman is going to help them out on
the other side of the ball. So you know, I listen,
(13:31):
having gone up agains Sean McDermott many times when he
was a coordinator, he was a very very difficult coach
to go up against. I have a tremendous amount of
respect for him as a coach. However, when I turn
on the film and I watched their defense play, I
just don't see championship level defense coming out of there.
I don't. I didn't see it last year. I don't
see it this year. They don't tackle well, you got
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d linemen using spin moves on run plays. I don't
like what I see there. And part of the reason
that the New England Patriots look like they're going to
win the AFC East.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
Are you.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
I watched Drake May yesterday. I mean, I thought they
would be a really interesting team, but they're not even
I mean they just started playing Kyle Williams, who is
a burner, and Travon Henderson, so you know, Rabel's like, listen,
you got to learn the playbook. You better block. And
I can see you know. Rabel likes physical teams. I
can see him. Not Kyle's a thin guy. You're not
(14:25):
blocking enough for Travion Henderson, Like, I get that. So
those are really good players who yesterday really surfaces potential stars.
How surprised are you go back to your second year
in the league.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
The game looks.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Pretty easy for Drake, doesn't it easier than it should?
Speaker 5 (14:44):
Well, listen, Mike Rabel, Josh McDaniels have done an incredible
job with Drake May. But it's not just Drake May.
You know those guys you mentioned. Travon Henderson started the
year third string. Kyle Williams is like a third stringer,
like a committee. They're getting major, major contributions out of
a guy that bills like go in mac Collins, and
I think it all works together. I think Drake May
is still a young quarterback learning, which is wild to
(15:07):
think because he's playing so great. Trayvon Henderson's a future
star reminds me of Christian McCaffrey. But Vrabel took this
approach where he basically got rid of every captain that
the Patriots ever had and said, hey, we're going to
take a long term approach for sustained success here in
New England. That's why it's ironic that they're doing so
well and they're winning as much as they are so far,
(15:28):
and it hasn't been like, hey, this is all on you,
Stefon Diggs, Mac sorry not mac joneson Drake May. He's
been spreading the ball around much more than quarterbacks in
the past have done. For the Patriots. It's been wide
receiver by committee, it's been a little bit of running
back commit by committee, and then Hunter Henry at tight end.
So I think the future is really bright. I just
don't think people thought it was going to be this soon.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
So I think both of us agreed to. The first
five or six weeks, it was more Ben Johnson than Caleb.
But I said before, there's certain things about Caleb that
are true. He's really durable. He doesn't he doesn't go
to the temp. Okay, he doesn't throw a lot of picks.
He does hold the ball too long, but I think
(16:11):
some of that is born from I'll just escape like
I'm gonna hold it another beat. I watched him yesterday
in crappy weather, and I was, like I thought at
the end of the game, I thought, I thought.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
His last like three possessions.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
I was, I was really really impressed, top to bottom.
Your sense on what you've seen during this winning streak.
Speaker 5 (16:32):
Yeah, I think you probably like Caleb more than me.
I think you're ready to I've heard you say some
things that maybe you're just trying for content for when
Colin was wrong.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
Later he listen.
Speaker 5 (16:43):
He's a young player, and so he's done a great
job of improving on the things that he needed to
improve on last year. I got on here every week
and I said, he's got bad body language. He holds
onto the ball too long, he takes too many sacks,
you know, stuff like that. Ben Johnson gets hired. He
basically said the exact same things, and kayleb up to
his credit, has fixed them. He took no sacks again
this past week. He's finding checkdowns. It's not checked down, Charlie.
(17:07):
He's taking shots down the field, but if it's not
there on rhythm, protect the team, protect the offensive line,
he's getting the ball out. I think Ryan Poles has
done an incredible job of basically surrounding him with great talent,
especially upfront. I mean they bring an Aussie trapillo as
an extra tight end for more pass protection, selling the run.
He's got time, and then you put him in the
(17:27):
shotgun game. Most of his success is under center play
action shotgun game in two minutes. He's done a great job.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
So listen.
Speaker 5 (17:34):
Am I going to like crown him like you are
because he beat the New York Giants? No, I'm not.
But Ben Johnson, like I've said, he is the real deal.
And if Caleb buys in and allows himself to be
fully fully coached by this coach, he'll have a long
future in this division, on this team and the team
that's been starving for great quarterback play.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
Maybe I'm a little hot on him right now. That's
probably fair.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
You just need more content?
Speaker 5 (18:01):
Are you trying to even out the scales?
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (18:03):
Too much?
Speaker 5 (18:03):
When Colin was right, you just needed a little more
calling wrong for later.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
I get it.
Speaker 5 (18:08):
Smart, that's next level. That's you like those cool players
who like they're not just trying to get like the
certain ball in the trying to set up their next
shot like that.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
I wish I was that smart.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
I'm watching the Seahawks and I know Pete and John
Snyder were not on the same page about three years ago.
And then Pete leaves and then John this is his roster.
And the last couple of drafts, I've come on that
Monday after the draft and I've been like, man.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
That's a good draft.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
And then they get Sam Darnold, who has less of
a cap hit than Taysom Hill. They get a third
round pick for Gino and I guess my point is
when I watch Seattle play and if I turn the
sound down, Matt, that's the fastest team in the league.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
They have athletes everywhere. I'm not sure what the hole is.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
Like with Philadelphia, I can say, well, they got an
AJ Brown Jalen Hurts issue. I don't love their corners.
I don't see anything with the Seahawks. I'm not supposed
to like. What do you make of it?
Speaker 5 (19:07):
Well, I'll tell you this stuff you didn't like early
in the year. You know, they were calling for certain
people to get cut, traded, bench, all that stuff. Those
people have been getting coached and they're playing well. I mean,
this Seahawks team has been impressive in all three phases.
I mean, I think they've scored thirty points three times
in the first half of a game this year. So
what's been ironic about them? They're unbelievable on the road,
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and they have struggled a little bit at home. They
lost to Tampa at home in a game that they
should have won. So doing what they did yesterday at
home I think sends a message of like, hey, we
are a team improving on our mistakes. And Mike McDonald,
John Schneider, like you said, they're in lockstep. I also
think that one of the best things I could say
about this team is that this is a team that
(19:49):
the players feel like we care about the success of
this team more than our coaching staff. And that good
teams the coaches care more than the players. Great teams,
the players care more than the coaches. And I think
that's what you'd find in Seattle.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
All right, let's circle back.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Brian Dabole's gone, I don't love doing it now you
And it's a great point. Mike Kofa has been around
this league. Northwestern guy. If I recall so a pretty
smart quarterback at Northwestern.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
You're okay with it because.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Of Kafka, Like if they didn't have him, you'd be
a little unsettled. But you do think they have a
guy in the building that they should want to watch
for a couple months, that's your take.
Speaker 5 (20:28):
Well, I listen, they're going to do a full search
on anybody on the planet that they think can help
get it right. But they have this guy that this
is like a little bit of an audition. I mean,
he's the guy for the last what like three or
four years. His name surfaces every time because they think
that he's a great quarterback whisperer. Let's see, his personality
is completely different than Brian Dayball, Brian Daball's got it.
(20:49):
Where's his emotion?
Speaker 1 (20:50):
Like?
Speaker 2 (20:50):
You see it?
Speaker 5 (20:51):
You know it? Mike kaf does not like that. So
it's an opportunity for the Giants to see what they have.
Much like when you start a young quarterback late in
the year, you're saying, like, we need to find out
what we have in this guy to decide if we
need to go out and draft the quarterback of the
future or if we already have him in the building
and we don't know it. That's kind of what I
think about this situation here. And whoever they hire is
(21:11):
going to have to be somebody that knows what they're doing.
When it comes to Jackson Dart, or at least can
hire the person who knows what they're doing when it
comes to Jackson Dart.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
You know, UCLA is going to move their football games
to soul Far. They're leaving the Rose Ball. What do
you make of that?
Speaker 5 (21:26):
Allegedly allegedly a little controversial?
Speaker 6 (21:28):
Right now?
Speaker 5 (21:29):
Is it the Rose Bowl yesterday? Besides the hour and
a half draffic to get up there, it's a beautiful,
beautiful place to be so well, I don't know. I
don't know what they're going to do there, but it's
a tricky situation called tricky in La.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
It takes an hour and a half to get to
the grocery store, an hour and a half to agree.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
Great, senior buddy, all right, I see it. Ah love.
Matt Hasselbeck on our show gives me crap. That's exactly
you know. I like it from him. From Jamack it
gets really irritating. But from Hasselbeck I can take it.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
By the way, that uclad, I'm glad you brought that up.
Speaker 6 (22:02):
That's a fascinating story, and it is super smart of
UCLA to move their games to so Fi.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
You would agree with that.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
Right, I don't love it.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
What are you out of your mother?
Speaker 6 (22:12):
Have you been to Sofi versus where they currently play
their games, Colin, So many more people will go to
the games.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
It's so Fi. It's a it's one of the best
stadiums in the country right now.
Speaker 5 (22:22):
It's so new.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
It is a great venue. I think it's a great attractive.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
It's closer, it's ten tool well, it's ten miles from
the campus and the Rolls Bowls almost thirty So that's
I mean. UCLA football is broken, so they have to
do something to unbreak it. I mean it's a broken program. Financially,
they can't figure it out. It's like one of the
lowest nils in the Big ten. So they're trying to
figure out a way to solve a broken football financial issue.
Speaker 6 (22:48):
They sound like a program that's ready to go get
a big name coach. Hey, we're moving our games to Sofi.
We're relevant. They're striving for relevance. Colin.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
I think.
Speaker 6 (22:57):
I'm not going to compare it to other jobs in
the country, but right now, I think that job is
on the optick right now, somebody they're gonna get someone
young and smart, and u se LA's on the rise
for sure, better job than the New York Giants, that's
for sure.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
Wait, hold on, it says here, it says here Westwood
to so far it's twenty three miles.
Speaker 6 (23:18):
Really, I can't confirm that. I only go by Apple Maps.
I don't know where anything is.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
I just put how far is west Wood of the
Rose Bowl. Not that the national audience cares. I thought
it was a lot farther.
Speaker 6 (23:28):
I think they care more about that than the Chicago
Bears offense.
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Speaker 3 (24:18):
All right, welcome back.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
Brian Dabole has been let go by the New York Giants.
Mike Kopka quarterback coach. Quarterback whisper probably takes the reins.
I don't like firing coaches mid season. Mike McCarthy would
get a call from me. You know, the Giants have
done a lot of this coordinator stuff. What worked Vrabel
(24:42):
in New England proven head coach Sean Payton and Denver
proven head coach Jim Harball, Ram Chargers, proven head coach.
The only thing that worked, Mike McCarthy. Green baita Dallas
proven head coach, won a lot of games. You can
keep doing this coordinator thing. It is a fifty to
fifty at best shot for more.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
J Mack with a news no, no turn on the news.
This is the herd Line news.
Speaker 6 (25:14):
All right, Colin, I've been chasing some numbers on this
Dable stuff. Giants fans are thrilled for some reason that
Ryan Dable is fired.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
Listen.
Speaker 6 (25:23):
Obviously, the wins haven't been there. Starting two and eight
three straight years. Not great, blowing four double digit leads
not great, but remember Colin, this is a team that
had a five and a half win total in the
preseason in Vegas.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Five and a half. There's not a lot of talent here.
Speaker 6 (25:41):
And oh, by the way, when you get a double
digit lead, that means, man, you're doing some things right.
Brian Dabeles doing things right with a rookie quarterback. Okay,
in Denver, which is an eight and two team. In Chicago,
which is a playoff team.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
So it tells you the game plans. He's breaking down film.
If they're taking leads, they can't close the leads out. Yeah, Okay,
there's a lot of reasons. They lost their star back,
Jackson Dark gets beat up and they don't they run
him or early they may not want to run him
as much late. They've also had offensive line injuries, so
(26:16):
his scheming, his game plans are very very good. It's
an incredibly limited roster where the star offensive players all
get banged up.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Yeah, and remember this is supposed to be a great defense.
Speaker 6 (26:29):
Remember the hype around Abdul Carter, Burns, Lawrence and Got
all these guys, Kevon Tibbott, all these dudes. They currently
are twenty seventh in the NFL and EPA per play defensively,
that's horrific. If anything, I would have fired the defensive coordinator,
not Dable, Because, again, Colin, if I can get a
quarterback that's.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
A rookie to pair with a coach and get double.
Speaker 6 (26:52):
Digit leads against Dallas and all these teams, I'm signing
up for that. That means, like you said, the game
plans are there. I don't know if Dable's gonna be
a great head coach. Again, you and I seem to
think maybe he gets interviews.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
For head coaching jobs.
Speaker 6 (27:06):
Like, I don't know, does Tennessee turn to Brian Dable
to fix cam Ward? I don't have an answer, Like,
is Tennessee an attractive job?
Speaker 1 (27:15):
Well, I think in a place like Miami, where he's
the opposite personality of Mike McDaniels, griff He's a groth,
accountability New York. You know a lot of New Yorkers
move down to Miami anyway, So he'll go down to Miami.
He's intense, he's been a head coach, he's worked in
a bigger media market.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
He's dealt with a young quarterback.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
Because I think Miami, I mean, if I was Brian
Dabele or his agent.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
I would talk to the Dolphins and go.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
There was one guy that loved Jackson Dart, Ryan Dabele.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
The GM didn't love.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
Him, the owner had mixed feelings, the analyst didn't like him.
He was the one guy that said, give me Jackson
Dart over cam Ward. Well, isn't Miami going to draft
a quarterback?
Speaker 2 (27:55):
Well? That's interesting. Would Dabel want to work with Tua?
Speaker 5 (27:59):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (28:00):
Is Miami going to be bad enough? They got a
great win yesterday. I don't know if we'll do anything
with that. It's an interesting scenario.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
But I think you're onto something with Dable.
Speaker 6 (28:08):
Remember when he was introduced as a Giants coach, he
had this very like I'm gonna get in my truck
and I'm gonna drive to work and I'm gonna put.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
On my hard hat.
Speaker 6 (28:16):
That was the vibe and Giants fans loved it. And
now he's gonna go down to South Beach and tough
it up with perceived to be a soft team.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
I think you could be honest something.
Speaker 6 (28:25):
All right, let's move on to Monday Night Football, Big
One Colin Jordan Love and the Packers hosting the Philadelphia Eagles.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
Off a bye.
Speaker 6 (28:34):
Former Packer Clay Matthews. He's chiming in thinks that if
the Packers are going to bounce back, Matt Lafleur needs
to hand the keys over to Jordan Love and let
him do his thang. Colin, you think that's gonna be enough.
By the way, there is some money coming in on
the Eagles today. No, I like he's down to one
and a half.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
No. I like Philadelphia. I think Philadelphia by getting Jalen Phillips.
That's it's not Michah Parson's acquisition, but he's a really
good pass rusher. I think Philadelphia at the trade deadline
made moves that you'll be able to see very quickly
to help. I think this team found itself, and I
think Philadelphia has got a better roster off of Bye,
little healthier. I like Philadelphia here. I know the hot
(29:15):
pick is green Bay. I'm on the Eagles tonight.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (29:17):
I think a lot of it is overreaction to the
Panthers loss, which we called here on the show a
trap game, and I think the real Green Bay shows
up tonight. I don't like the injury report for the Packers.
Have you seen their wide receivers are dinged up.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
Yep, gold Craft has gone and Craft has gone for
the year.
Speaker 6 (29:33):
So Tucker Craft gone, I think, and this is my
fantasy team talking Christian Watson, big plays over the top,
Jordan Love took Christian Watson. I'll take the I'll take
the Packers in a close one colin final story.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
Oh, we're actually.
Speaker 6 (29:49):
Allowed to talk about the Indianapolis Colts on the show now, Yeah,
I know you woke up early for the Berlin matchup.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
Listen.
Speaker 6 (29:55):
The Colts look bad for three quarters and then Jonathan
Taylor took over. Oh my gosh, eighty three yard touchdown run.
This was spectacular. The clueless Falcons thought he was bottled
up and Taylor bounces outside says Terrell, goodbye.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
You know what's gone? What was one hundred and eighty
six yards?
Speaker 3 (30:11):
Calling first half?
Speaker 1 (30:13):
Daniel Jones once again, the fumble issue surface last two weeks.
A lot of giveaways. I think it's seven giveaways last
two weeks. So that Daniel Jones in New York. Remember
that was the one thing that Brian Dable had to solve,
is that Daniel had a fumble issue and they kind
of righted the ship. He goes to Stike and everybody's like, oh,
(30:33):
it's a new Daniel Jones. Yes, last two weeks, that's
the Daniel Jones that was losing games in New York.
Ball security has once again surfaced. Eventually, you know, everything
regresses to the mean, like that's who Daniel Jones is.
So I watched yesterday and I'm like, okay, this was
(30:54):
the New York Giants issue ball security fumbles.
Speaker 6 (30:57):
So my daughter's volleyball team had this big meeting and
of course I'm watching the game on my phone sitting
in the back, and these dads are like, oh, what's
wrong with the Colts J Mack and.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
I say, guys, I think.
Speaker 6 (31:08):
The Shane Stikeen offense has been solved two weeks in
a row. Now that Daniel Jones is on his back
in the pocket and turning the ball over and the
Falcons I think they got him five times. Colin they
sacked him over six, So that so six seven here
we go. So that's back to back weeks where teams
are getting to Jones and he's flustered and turning it over.
This week, Jonathan Taylor bails him out with an incredible
(31:31):
running performance. Now they do Colts go on to buy
after the Berlin trip. I wonder if stike In will
solve some stuff, you know, figure out, hey, hey, what's
going on with you. They're gonna have to simplify the
offense for Joe.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
They're the best team in that division. They have the
best roster in that division. I think they have the
best coach in that division. They're gonna win that division.
I think there's this ceiling. You'll see that ceiling when
they face a Herbert or a Dragon may look on
the screen.
Speaker 6 (31:57):
Who they face after the bye Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
Mahomes, Andy Reid and Spagnolo.
Speaker 6 (32:04):
You don't think Spagnolo is one of the best defensive
minds in the game.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
That is a huge test for the Colts. And then
after that.
Speaker 6 (32:10):
The Houston Texans defense, which is very rambunctious on the
front line with Will Anderson and Hunter.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
Yeah at Seattle all of a sudden, okay, yeah, yeah, Well,
winners will be healthier.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
Do the Colts win a playoff game?
Speaker 6 (32:23):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (32:23):
Or no?
Speaker 6 (32:23):
No?
Speaker 3 (32:24):
No, Dold they win the division?
Speaker 1 (32:27):
You know, I think Daniel Jones, they've had so much
chaos at quarterback. Their takeaway is he's fine. We will
get a reasonable contract and we could draft somebody else
that we want, But I think one of the things
that is so clear in this league what you don't
want is chaos at quarterback. Daniel Jones is not chaos.
(32:49):
He's not top ten, but he's somewhere between twelve and sixteen.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Maybe this season.
Speaker 6 (32:55):
So they would likely host a team like Kansas City
unless case he wins the division or Buffalo, and I
think that that's a tough atcha. So the Colts, then
Colin would have gone all in for Daniel Jones, Sauce
Gardner giving up their off future pick future picks sorry,
and losing the first round, and then Daniel Jones is
gonna be like, hey, hey, I need to get paid.
(33:16):
I there are some troubling clouds ahead for the Indianapolis Colts.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
You see J Mack with the news, Well that's the news,
and thanks for stopping by the Herd Line news. Well,
there are two teams where there are no clouds on
the horizon.
Speaker 3 (33:34):
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Speaker 1 (34:06):
Poor Northwestern had to face USC at the Collie No Match.
We always say this, it doesn't take long in any
field to see great Mahomes and Lamar Jackson MVPs in
their second year. Joe Burrow second year Super Bowl and
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we don't even know if he has the right coach.
My rule is, if you got the right coach or
at least a super strong coordinator, hopefully both, you'll be
able to see by the second year if guy's going
to be a legend that looks like Drake Man New England.
They don't have a number one receiver, running back by committee,
offensive line, solid.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
Tight end.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
I like Hunter Henry and he has spinned it. I
watched him last yesterday. Todd Bowles, one of the best
defensive minds in football, had two weeks they were off
a bike weeks to prep for him. This kid can
spin it. And this is a young emerging team. Kyle Williams.
They haven't played a lot. Traveon Henderson's been running back
(35:09):
by committee. Those are stars. They haven't played a ton.
Rabel's trying to work him into the system. So I mean,
all I know is I've watched him go on the
road and beat Josh Allen and go on the road and.
Speaker 3 (35:22):
Beat an out play.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
Baker Mayfield and Todd Bowles had two weeks to come
up with a game plan for this young guy, and
we watched what Belichick did the Sam Darnold. We know
young quarterbacks against elite defensive coaches can struggle. Yeah, that's
not it. So I picked him as my double their
win total team. I think they're gonna triple it, and
(35:46):
that's caught me off guard. The other team that has
nothing to worry about is Seattle. It's a great story.
So the last couple of years Pete Carroll was in Seattle.
He and John Snyder were not right. Snyder almost left
for you years ago to be the GM in Detroit.
The Allen family paid him, he stayed. It is now
John Snyder's drafts and roster. The last two and a
(36:08):
half years, he's built a monster. He got a third
round pick for Gino has Sam Darnald is now less
of a cap hit than Taysom Hill. They don't miss
on draft picks every position. Then at the trade deadline,
Rashid Saheed, who gets the now work again with his
coordinator in New Orleans last year. I mean, turn the
(36:33):
sound down. This team, I think is the fastest team
in the league. They have taken thirty five nothing and
twenty eight nothing leads the last two weeks. In the
first half, it gets sloppy. Second half, it's hard to
motivate guys. Here's Sam Darnold on another MVP level first
half performance.
Speaker 4 (36:54):
It's, you know, a great team win. You know, I
thought offensively, we're you know, really efficient in the first half.
Second half, you know, got the run game going a
little bit. Third quarter was a little sloppy obviously with
the turnovers, and we've got to clean that up obviously,
but you know, to be able to, you know, end
end the game on our terms in four minute situation,
you're running the football out. You know, that's how you
(37:16):
want to end every single game.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
And there's no fools goal here. Drake may is not
doing dink and dunk. He is second in the NFL
in yards per attempt. He's throwing the ball down the field,
Sam Darnold, no dinkin dunk throwing the ball down the field.
And in both cases two of the best young offensive
players for the Patriots, Kyle Williams and Trevon Henderson. They're
(37:39):
kids in Seattle's offense, second youngest in the league.
Speaker 3 (37:43):
So you got two young.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
Star quarterbacks surrounded by all sorts of ascending young talent,
meaning New England and Seattle.
Speaker 3 (37:52):
This is the beginning.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
These are great, great personnel people, very strong leaders and
defensive head coaches and the right offensive coordinators. So Brian
Dable the news of the day. It broke late first
hour of the Herd. Brian Dable has been let go.
Don't like firing coaches, especially best coach on the staff
(38:15):
middle of a season, but back to back years in
New York Jets and Giants do it. There's a lot
of reasons why they did it. Some of it is
he keeps blowing leads the Blue Tent circus with Jackson Dart.
A few weeks ago, here's Hasselbeck on the thoughts on
on what happened today.
Speaker 5 (38:33):
Your star quarterback, your prize possession. He's been in that
Blue Tent way too much. I think he's been evaluated
for concussions four times since he's been playing recently, and
they're running him the way that they were running like
Saquon Barkley. You know, they're all this quarterback run game.
I get it. You get an advantage in the run
game that's working. At the same time, you got to
have a little bit more care for the future of
(38:55):
the franchise. One other thing, if you think the fact
that Daniel Jones having the sess that he's having with
Indianapolis Colts doesn't blame this decision as well, you're crazy.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
Now the Colts have a much better roster the Colts
between Pierce and Pittman, Warren, Jonathan Taylor. The Giants used
to have a running back like Jonathan Taylor. They let
him go to the rival Eagles. So Indianapolis has a
tremendous roster outside of the secondary, where they tried to
(39:26):
solve it with Sauce Gardner, which I defend. There's a
reason Daniel Jones is cleaning up. It's not just Shane Steichen.
Offensive line for the Colts last week was read at
number one. Their tight end is a Pro bowler as
a rookie Jonathan Taylor right now is the best running
back in the league. So Daniel Jones is the beneficiary
(39:47):
of a tremendous roster. We've been on this for two years.
Colts roster's fine. They just didn't have a guy competent
enough to complete sixty percent of the throws. So you
can throw Dable under a bus. But neighbors hurt, Scataboo hurt.
Andrew Thomas is, you know, your excellent left tackle banged
up a lot. And I think Dabell got into a situation.
(40:08):
Was Jackson Dart's confident and athletic, I'm gonna run him.
What else do we have here? I mean they don't
have a one or two receiver, you know. I mean
we said this the downside to having a coach in
the hot seat like eber Flus last year or Brian
Dabele this year. I mean, they're coaching to win games.
They're gonna do whatever it takes. Like I get it,
(40:30):
You're you're trying to save your job. And so he
looks at it and he's like, Jackson Dart's my best athlete,
gonna I'm gonna move him down the field. Edie got
banged up again, so you know I can sympathize. I
think daball in Miami. I think Lane Kevin and Brian
Dabele stronger personalities, more alpha than McDaniel.
Speaker 3 (40:51):
Feel like the fits to me.
Speaker 6 (40:52):
How about this one, Colin? Usually I don't read my
mentions on social media. Somebody hit me with, oh, yeah,
you know where Brian Dabele was before the Buffalo Bills, Right?
I look it up Alabama Crimson Tide twenty seventeen.
Speaker 2 (41:04):
Remember that year.
Speaker 6 (41:05):
Yeah, it was Jalen Hurts, the starter to what takes over,
Brian Dabele calling plays all season, And then I looked
it up. Dable has a history of saying great things
about Tua. I believe Brian Dable will probably get the
first or second interview with Tua in Miami.
Speaker 1 (41:20):
I don't think it's about higher No, not at all.
I don't in the It was a skill set he
build was with him in Miami College. Miami can be
a loud, chippy, harsh media market. New York is Philadelphia.
Speaker 2 (41:33):
Is I think.
Speaker 1 (41:34):
I think Dabele with Miami is in play
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