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Speaker 3 (00:25):
Here we go, It's our two. And on Wednesday, Flying
through It Baby live in La Warm La.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
I was down in MB last night. J Mack, your territory.
Got ready to call you and Luke and have a
game of basketball in the backyard.
Speaker 4 (00:42):
Luca's got a newborn. He can't hang.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
You got about six kids, you can't eat.
Speaker 4 (00:46):
I do not have six kids.
Speaker 5 (00:48):
You actually do right the old blended accent.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
All right.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
So I've said before, I'm kind of rooting for the
Buffalo Bills to win a Super Bowl for two reasons.
The city. He deserves it. My wife used to work
in HR. She was always like nicest people in the
world in Buffalo. And it's just like I just root
for like the Cubs to win a World Series. It's like,
come on, the great fans, Waveland Avenue, Wrigley Field, I mean,
there is very little.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
I was just talking to somebody about this yesterday.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
If Wrigley Field was over in Europe, everybody would be like,
oh it once in your life, you gotta fly to
Europe and go to Wrigley It's unbelievable. I now live
in Chicago most of the time. It's incredible. And so
you root for the Cubs. I root for Buffalo. But
Josh Allen, this should be the year, the moment in
time he wins. Mahomes may not make the playoffs. Burrow's
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not gonna make the playoffs. Lamar Jackson may not make
the playoffs. Justin Herbert is just trying to stay alive
with that offensive line.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
This should be the year. But I don't think they're
gonna do it.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
And I think it reminds me he just won AFC
Player of the Week third time this year. This reminds
me of John Elway with Denver. John Alway had a
lot of good teams. He was the most talented quarterback
for a decade his generation. And Dan Reeves was a
good coach. Mike Shanahan was a better fit and a
great coach. They had to upgrade from a really good
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coach and he had to get Terrell Davis and then
John Elway instead of getting blown out in Super Bowl,
started winning them. That's where I feel we are with
Josh Allen. I like Sean McDermott, He's Dan Reeves. It's
an offensive league, man. They just too many times, situationally
in big spots they get worked. And I like James Cook.
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He leads all running backs with fumbles. They can't stop
the run. They're tight ends only on offense throwing the
ball down the field. He needs his Mike Shanahan and
he needs his Terrell Davis in the form of a
wide receiver. Somebody who played with Elway and Mike Shanahan.
Mark Schlareth is joining us live from Denver. So you
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played only with Shanahan, so you didn't experience the Reeves.
And there is some I don't think John always difficult,
but with certain personalities, John has a strong point of view.
Shanny was a better fit. I look at Buffalo, Mark,
I believe this is their year. Mahomes Burrow, you've watched
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them play. What's your take on my take that even
though we like McDermott, I feel like it's time.
Speaker 6 (03:35):
Yeah, I mean, you're losing a game to the Cincinnati
Bengals who don't have a defense a week ago. And
when the going gets rough, whether it's flay off football,
whether it's a game like last week, it always feels
like the coaching staff says, hey, Josh, go win this
game for us.
Speaker 7 (03:54):
Go do something remarkable.
Speaker 6 (03:55):
Put on your Superman cape, make an an unbelievable throw,
or scrap for forty yards and beat somebody.
Speaker 7 (04:02):
That's what it feels like in Buffalo.
Speaker 6 (04:05):
And I was doing a Miami game a couple of
weeks ago, and I watched Miami beat the Buffalo Bills,
and I thought, to myself, they can't stop the run.
They aren't very good on that side of the ball.
They don't have a ton of weapons for Josh Allen,
and I thought from an offensive standpoint, the number of
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mistakes they made in the running game, the number of
misidentified defenses they had, all these different things that.
Speaker 7 (04:32):
I looked at, and I was thoroughly unimpressed with the
Buffalo Bills as a football team.
Speaker 6 (04:39):
I was blown away by their quarterback, but thoroughly under
impressed with everything else.
Speaker 7 (04:45):
Colin, so I'm with you. This is the year No Burrow.
Speaker 6 (04:48):
As you mentioned no Mahomes as you mentioned Lamar.
Speaker 7 (04:52):
Maybe maybe not. I don't know.
Speaker 6 (04:55):
This feels like the year that if you put it
all together, you could take your team to a championship game.
Speaker 7 (05:02):
And yet I don't. I don't. I'm with you. I
don't believe they're gonna make it.
Speaker 6 (05:06):
I think they're too flawed everywhere else and they just
rely too much on Josh Allen.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
So you did Shador Sanders game last week, which was
actually a very entertaining game, and I said, I don't
believe the conspiracy theories. I think Dylan Gabriel played so
many college games he was just more ready to be
an NFL quarterback than Shador was. But Shador I think
has more talent, and over time you see the talent.
But I don't think there was a conspiracy theory. It's
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Dylan had so many reps in college, like bow Nicks,
he was kind of ready to play. What did you
make a shaduor soup the nuts top to bottom? What
did you make of him?
Speaker 7 (05:42):
Yeah? No, I agree with you on that. I mean, the.
Speaker 6 (05:45):
Conspiracy theorists are stupid. I had like, like you've got
one of thirty two teams. There's there's one called he's
been the two time coach of the Year, and you
think he's bringing out the crappy plays for Shador to
run to sabotage him, Like, what what are we talking about?
Any of you conspiracy theorists are dumb. You're just dumb.
It's not how the NFL works. I mean, the odds
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are to the fans, he's probably going to be let go.
And you know, ultimately, you've got to have a guy
in the meeting rooms. You've got to have a guy
in the organization. They can spit it out on a
grease board. Well, listen, maybe that's not Shador's strong suit.
He told me, Man, I learned by playing. That's where
I learned my best. Chador still has a ton of
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growth to go as far as becoming a complete NFL quarterback,
you know, anticipatory throws, reading a defense, and doing all
those things.
Speaker 7 (06:36):
But he's exceptionally gifted.
Speaker 6 (06:37):
I was shocked at how good he was in that
game about avoiding the rush, avoiding contact, keeping you play alive,
scrambling around, and then when he gets one on one
opportunities versus man coverage or when things break down, his
ability to throw an absolute dime piece is exceptional.
Speaker 7 (06:57):
That's where he is great.
Speaker 6 (06:59):
But like all young quarterbacks cam Ward on the other side,
they still are a work in progress when it comes
to learning an offense and learning how to orchestrate through
a progression. And you know, his strong suit isn't anticipatory throws.
Speaker 7 (07:12):
His strong suit is.
Speaker 6 (07:13):
Finding the one on one coverage and absolutely letting it eat.
And he threw a couple of guys open with some
throws that to me were just big time throws.
Speaker 7 (07:22):
But that stuff is easy to see.
Speaker 6 (07:24):
It's the other things, you know, the underlying things that
are hard to do as an NFL quarterback, and that's
where he needs a lot of work. And you know
he's going to get his opportunity here in the next
four weeks to get that done. But to think that
a coach is going to sabotage a player because he
doesn't like them. Your it's your reputation, it's your legacy,
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it's your job on the line.
Speaker 7 (07:47):
That's the absolute dumbest thing I've ever heard.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
One of the things I like about you living in
Denver and the Broncos being good is you watch, you
have sources, You watch every practice.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
You know you get.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
You get the video that we don't get. You get
the stories. Reading the Denver pub to watch the news.
You are you are embedded, feet on the ground. And
obviously you know I love Peyton. I think their roster
is excellent. I don't watch every snap, but I watch
every game to some point. Where have you seen the
growth with bow Nicks or has there been because he
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came in with sixty one college starts right, so like
you kind of feel like his game is his game?
Have you seen growth or are you concerned that you
know he's still really uneven. Great in the fourth not
good in the first half.
Speaker 6 (08:31):
Yeah, last three weeks or so, I've seen a ton
of growth. Colin Okay, And I think I think the
I think one of the hard things to do when
you're a very gifted athlete is to not let your
athletic competition take over. You still have to play with
this subdued nature. You have to play in a rhythm,
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and I think where bow struggles is that competitive nature
where things break down and instead of being composed, he
gets a little frenetic. You know, he doesn't climb the pocket,
he sprints up in the pocket. And I watched him
early in the in the year where he climbed the
pocket so hard, He's sprint up in the pocket so
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hard he missed a wide open receiver because he bumped
into one of his offensive linemen. And you're like, dude,
calm down. But like, that's part of that kind of
competitive I was raised by a football coach, you know,
just type a personality, And where I've seen Bow makes
significant strides is calming down, having calmer feet, climbing the pocket,
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not springing.
Speaker 7 (09:43):
In the pocket. And basically, and this is.
Speaker 6 (09:46):
Gonna sound crazy, occasionally taking a sack or two right,
and that to me signifies, hey, man, there's some growth here.
I don't have to be you know that that crazy
athletic company a competition, dude, and I can just orchestrate.
And you look at last week, and I know a
lot of people you know here in Denver got all
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upset because well, they didn't push the ball down the
football field. He was thirty one of thirty eight for
two hundred and twelve yards and it was as good
as you can play. They had two fourteen play drives
in a nineteen play drive. They only had they had
six They had I think seven total drives and you
think about this. In the NFL, you usually have about
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twelve possessions to get sixty five plays. They had seven
possessions and ran seventy two plays. They were unbelievably efficient,
and bo was taking what the defense gave him. He
was throwing his checkdowns, He had an awareness of where
his answers were to blitzes and pressures. I thought he
played probably the best game I've seen him play. And
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it wasn't statistically huge. It's not what you're gonna win
MVPs on. It's just how you're gonna win games in
the NFL.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
So you have the Texans this week, and I said
the two teams. I would not want to play the
Seahawks in the NFC. They are so fast and aggressive
on both sides, like you better be buttoned up. And
I wouldn't want to play the Texans. They've got playoff experience.
I think Demiko Ryans. You talk about schemes, you're watching
film this week, they shut you down. I mean opposing
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quarterbacks passer ratings are like seventy four. I think the
Texans are like Seattle. They're going to come in, nobody's
going to there's no pressure we're all talking Rams and
Eagles and Lions and Packers. We're all talking to the
Bills and the Patriots. What do you see with the Texans?
Because I would I said it yesterday. I would not
be shocked if they ended up in the AFC Championship game?
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What do you see with them?
Speaker 6 (11:47):
You know, it's always funny you kind of study the
game through the straw hold with which you played, you know,
you just get laser focused on Hey, what it is
they do?
Speaker 7 (11:56):
And I'm watching them, going, man.
Speaker 6 (11:58):
How would I block these guys like Hunter coming off
of one edge, Will Anderson?
Speaker 7 (12:03):
And they don't just try to win or beat you.
Speaker 6 (12:06):
They tried to obliterate you. They tried to embarrass you.
And you know what I love about them? And this
goes back to my playing days, Colin, I was an
identity guy.
Speaker 7 (12:19):
I want to know what we are on offense.
Speaker 6 (12:22):
I want to know when we get into a situation
second down and one we were a conversion team, what
are we going to run?
Speaker 7 (12:29):
Well?
Speaker 6 (12:29):
I knew second down and one man three plays. One
of three plays is coming in eighteen nineteen handoff, fourteen
fifteen handoff or QB sneak and I knew it beyond
the shadow of doubt, and it was a ten thousand
hour rule. We've done a ten thousand times, you've defended
it a one hundred times. We're better than you, and
we know it, and we're going to converge, and we're
going to wear your butts out.
Speaker 7 (12:49):
The Houston Texas, to me, are simple.
Speaker 6 (12:51):
They're just a simple football team that absolutely bludgeons people.
They're the best defense in football. And I live in Denver.
I live in Denver, where Denver's God a great defense.
But the Houston Texas, like I don't see a weakness
defensive line wise. They pressure, they beat you up physically,
they just wear you out. They've got speeded linebacker position.
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They've got an unbelievable secondary at Lassiter on one side,
Stingling on the other side. I think Petree might be
the best nickel guy in all of football.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
Man.
Speaker 6 (13:22):
They are loaded, They shut down tight ends. They are
a damn good, scary defense. And now they lack offensively.
They can't block a lot of people, but that defense
keeps them in games. And in a must have it
win at home for the Kansas City Chiefs, they ended them.
Mahomes had three interceptions completely forty two percent of his passes.
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I mean they ended the Kansas City Chiefs. It was impressive.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
Finally, speaking of Kansas City, is it a rebuild or
a red tool in your opinion? They can't run o lines, weak,
don't get consistent pressure, Kelsey retires, Chris Jones no longer
at least this year, elite that field. That sounds like
a rebuild, not a retool. You've watched them, what do
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you think?
Speaker 6 (14:10):
Yeah, I think it's more of a retool. They've had
some injuries on their offensive line. They're never like Andy
Reid as a former offensive lineman, He's never which is
crazy to mean, He's never really wanted to run the ball,
and so they're.
Speaker 7 (14:24):
Still going to have my homes. Obviously, Kelsey is not
what he once was.
Speaker 6 (14:28):
I think the biggest thing with Kansas City really, you
know that all the stuff I said about Houston notwithstanding,
is defensively, they haven't consistently been able to get off
the ball or get off the field when they needed
to in critical situations. I think that's been the biggest
difference with Kansas City this year. They've always been able
to get off the field and give their offense one
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more opportunity to give their offense one more chance. And
that really hasn't been the case this year. But I
still think it's more of a retool. But man, when
you travel around the league, Colin, and you do games
around the league, it's amazing, like, oh, yeah, I remember
when that guy played in Kansas City. Oh yeah, that
guy for that team. Yeah, I remember when he played
in Kansas City. Oh yeah, that starting corner. I remember
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when he was a Kansas City chief. Oh that's like,
it's that's what happens when you are an elite level
football team. Is the teams that are trying to get
to your stratosphere, they go find your guys.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
In free agents.
Speaker 6 (15:23):
Because free agency because not only are they really good
players and they're disciplined players because they've been coached, they
also have a championship pedigree that you want to bring
into your organization.
Speaker 7 (15:32):
So that's what happens to great teams.
Speaker 6 (15:35):
It's been an unbelievable run over the last seven years.
And being that I'm a Denver Bronco or a former
Denver Bronco, I guess never former. Once a Bronco, always
a Bronco. I'm happy to say that. I'm glad the
Kansas City Chiefs have fall on hard times.
Speaker 7 (15:48):
It makes me very happy.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
Mark slera Fox Sports, Cardinals, Texans this Sunday.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
Good talking to you, a bud.
Speaker 7 (15:56):
Likewise, Collin, take everybody.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
Yeah, let's look at.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
The AC and NFC playoff picture. Moswell throwed up there
one more time. It's a I mean, nobody would have
guessed New England. I like Denver to win the division,
but you know it's it's not historically. I mean, what's
funny about the AFC. You can tell it's not great
because it's a lot of teams we didn't expect the
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NFC playoff picture, coaches, quarterbacks, stars. We expected Green Bay Rams,
San Francisco, Detroit, Philadelphia's on hard times. I like Seattle's
my pick of the year. Nobody liked them. I thought
they were going to be a playoff team. But you
can tell the NFC's better on the AFC because we're
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getting who we thought great coaches, elite quarterbacks, elite rosters.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
It's a lot of shock.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
For about six years, we kind of five years, we
kind of felt like we knew who was good in
the AFC. All those quarterbacks got paid, and now the
roster Buffalo's roster, Kansas City's roster, since ADDIE's roster, Buffalo's.
Speaker 4 (17:02):
This's not that good, they're saying.
Speaker 5 (17:03):
So someone put together an interesting comparison of strength of schedule,
whatever that's worth in the NFL. So they looked at
who you've played and whether you're good or they're good
or not. The New England Patriots have played the thirty
second ranked schedule in the league. They've played a lot
of bad teams have would you believe Denver has played
the thirty first toughest schedule, So those two teams at
the top of the AFC have played the weakest schedules.
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It gets worst, Chargers thirtieth, Bills twenty eighth, the team
to watch, Houston Texans have played these second toughest schedule. Yes,
you look at the teams they've played, they're all good.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
So if there's a great point, So there's a reason
Denver is an underdog at home to Green Bay exactly.
There's a reason New England at home, Yeah, is an
underdog to Buffalo because of the schedule.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
We don't buy their wins.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
If I had the guest today, looking at all these
teams if you ask me who is gonna make the
AFC Championship.
Speaker 5 (17:57):
Woof right now, let me guess we're hot on the Texans.
They just beat the Chiefs. I went and bet some
Texans to win the AFC Texans would you do last night?
Speaker 4 (18:07):
Huh?
Speaker 3 (18:08):
AFC Championship? Look at that? Who would you do?
Speaker 5 (18:11):
I mean, whoever gets the buy has a big edge, clearly,
but I would go whoever.
Speaker 4 (18:15):
Gets the buy.
Speaker 5 (18:15):
I think it'll probably be the Patriots, and I will
go Texans Patriots.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
And I'm the same way as of now I would do.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
I would sounds goofy and we're gonna get to I
totally agree. I think in Foxborough it's gonna be it's
gonna be Drake may c J. Stroud, It's gonna be Demico,
Ryan's Rabel. I would take New England Denver. I can't
believe you said that, So let's go.
Speaker 4 (18:34):
To the NA New England, Okay.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
I would go to New England host no New England
hosting Texans Texans. If I had to bet today, the
best defense easily with a very very good coach and
excellent I remember.
Speaker 4 (18:47):
That Eagles defense last year was off like Hurs.
Speaker 7 (18:49):
Was really good.
Speaker 4 (18:49):
Say CuO was good, Eagles defense is nasty.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
Okay, let's go to the NFC.
Speaker 7 (18:53):
Now.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
Now let me let me just so right now, boy,
this is tough.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
Yeah, okay, and again there's reseting I would get.
Speaker 4 (19:02):
I assume you think Rams are gonna get tonight.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
I think Rams Packers feels like the team I would
go Rams. And again I have no problem taking the
seventh seeded Texans because the AFC is weaker. Okay, but
the two teams at the top right now, Rams and
Green Bay. I got a plus coaches, excellent quarterbacks, good
enough O lines, excellent playmakers, excellent pass rushes.
Speaker 5 (19:24):
So if you're hot on strength of schedule, the Rams
have played the fourteenth toughest mid pack Seattle twenty sixth. Yeah,
a lot of bad teams. Packers twenty fifth the interesting
team to watch here. We're not gonna like to hear it.
Philadelphia fifth toughest schedule of opponents so far this year.
So if you look at this skit, they've played a
lot of good teams. They beat a lot, but now
they're struggling. The one team I would watch is San
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Francisco Colin. They're getting healthy. They had the late by
McCaffrey's fresh. I would keep an eye on the Niners.
But the NFC is way tougher to diagram than the AAFC.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
Is just not good. Right now, that's good stuff, you like.
Speaker 4 (20:01):
You said Rams and Packers. Yeah, I think that that's good.
Speaker 5 (20:05):
I just don't we like the ram They don't have
a huge home field advantage out here, man, they don't.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
So if the Packers come here seventy thirty green.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Bay, yeah, yeah, God, that would be that'd be a
great game. But you know, in recent history, you know this,
offensive coaches end up in the final four teams. So
you'd get mcveih Lafleur, but then you'd get Rabel and
Demico NFC coaches on the other side. That's why it's
hard to go against Sean Payton because he'll manipulate. I mean,
Denver's been so good in the fourth quarter. They're very
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good at manipulating outcomes and manipulating the playbook.
Speaker 5 (20:37):
Would you bet Jordan Love to win the MVP right now? No,
Josh Allen, Josh Allen MVP. Oh come on, he had
a six touchdown game. I mean he Green Bay has
more support. Jordan Love has a great coach, and Allen won.
Speaker 4 (20:50):
It last year. Remember the media votes for this stuff. Yeah,
well they already gave Josh Allen one. You know they
love to spread the wealth.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
Jordan Love's got a Jordan Love has a much better defense,
six times the receiving corps and a better head coach.
Speaker 5 (21:06):
I don't think the media thinks like that was the footing.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
I mean the numbers on.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
I mean, I just think Green Bay is a totally
complete outfit GM fans quarterback coach O Line's ok. I
don't know where the line is ranked. It feels okay
to me. In the middle of the O line is okay,
weapons pass rush Josh Allen interesting, Well, you better beat
the Patriots. He can't lose to the Patriots twice or right,
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Drake May would get the MVP over Josh Allen. Okay,
I'm just telling you right now, we always do this.
What happens if what if Drake May and Mike Rabel
beat Buffalo again? I think Drake's probably the MVP at
A tell you if you own the Bills, Mike Rabel's
first year in beats Josh allen first year. And by
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the way, when you watch the first game is new
England look more complete. I mean, what is it tell
you if I own the team and I'm like, Okay,
Rabel comes in. Rabel's still in a rebuild. New England
still needs another draft. Maybe they've got some Their offensive
line is not great, their run games not very dynamic.
That is I'm telling you. We keep saying this. That
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is a big game for Buffalo this weekend. Yeah, you
can't get swept by Drake mayn Vrabel.
Speaker 5 (22:21):
Is that the biggest game on the schedule, Well, it
is Nickers Broncos, but also yeah, yeah, yeah, Patriots Bills.
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Speaker 3 (23:19):
Small market.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
Baltimore stole Pete Alonso from the Mets, so Edwin.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
Diaz, their ace.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
Dodgers got him, but Baltimore and Steve Cohens, the richest
baseball owner, the little guy, came in and swiped Pete Alonzo.
I'm sure this will be handled with nuance and grace
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Speaker 5 (23:44):
Were the Mets good this year for most of the
season and then collapsed or something like that?
Speaker 4 (23:48):
I mean through the Mets here.
Speaker 5 (23:49):
The Mets and Giants are just total poverty franchises right now,
just so bad behind the scenes.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
The melting down is going to be unbelievable. But you
know again, falls up. I mean to me, the Cubs
are good, the Dodger's good, the Yankees good. I'm waiting
for the Braves to kick it.
Speaker 4 (24:09):
Phillies are the Red Sox backer.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
The Red Sox make a lot of revenue, they don't
spend enough of it. The Phillies are back. Phillies are
really good.
Speaker 4 (24:16):
They are good.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
So I mean Kyle Schwarber. The Phillies re signed him.
He's not their best player, but he's kind of the
soul of the franchise. Everybody loves Kyle Schwarber. That to me,
that's Pete Alonso is either best player, No, that's Soto,
but he is the soul of the franchise. And Steve
Cohen let him go to small market Buffalo, Blimore, Baltimore, Baltimore.
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Can you imagine the radio today in New.
Speaker 4 (24:40):
York, Well, yeah, enough times.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
Yeah, I'm sure it'll be measured, Yeah, certainly contextualized.
Speaker 4 (24:48):
Decorum.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
J Mack with the news.
Speaker 4 (24:54):
This is the Herdline News.
Speaker 5 (24:57):
Let's start with some George Pickens, the Cowboys receiver, little
drama after the no show against Detroit. Richard Sherman called
him out. It's been interesting. Jerry Jones, though he's not
that concerned about George Pickens terrible game against the Lions when.
Speaker 9 (25:12):
It comes to competing, when it comes to loving the game,
and I emphasize that point right there, loving the game,
I give you may blesses, just so that I'm real
clear about it. I don't have the concern that the
debate about what George Pickens did or didn't do in
that game. I don't have that kind of concern about
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him as far as it's competing and company us win
football games on the field at all.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
So I was I had the good fortune of having
dinner last night with an NFL GM and we talked
about this about loving the game and it's and Tony
Gonzalez has said this more than once to me when
he used to come on the show, is that you'd
be surprised how many guys love the game, totally committed
to the game. So what Jerry's saying is, I've on
this team a long time. Everybody loves it. A lot
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of them. A lot of my players like it. They
like what football can do for them in their life,
but they don't love it.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
And what he sees every.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
Day is the passion George Pickens has. And I got
to tell you this is something with Nil. A lot
of times you wonder do the kids love it or
do they love what football provides? And you do want
to have a locker room with mostly guys who cry
when you lose, who deeply care, who are willing to block,
you know, do the ugly stuff. Receivers that are willing
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to block. That's loving the game because cash and it's
the easy.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
Part, right.
Speaker 5 (26:35):
Well, there's also the aspect of what happens when you're losing.
I mean, Pickens was at a good school. In college,
they didn't lose a lot. He was on the Steelers.
They were winning a lot, and then they started losing.
And what happened He started dogging it. What happens when
they getting smoked by the Lions, he starts dogging it.
Speaker 4 (26:49):
I just wonder things go south.
Speaker 7 (26:52):
Do you love it?
Speaker 4 (26:52):
Or are you just like this sucks? I'm not interested.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
Oh no, it's fair. It's fair. He's a talent.
Speaker 5 (26:56):
Though there's some chatter out there, Hey the Chiefs, we
need to go get a type type.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
Let's go get Pickens. I don't see.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
I don't think that delt with dysfunction. I mean they've
they've some of their guys have been in trouble. They've
dealt with it.
Speaker 9 (27:08):
Well.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
They have a good they have a sound structure. New
England could deal with a little bit of that.
Speaker 5 (27:12):
I wonder Uh, okay, you're not gonna be able to
afford Pickens.
Speaker 4 (27:15):
You move off, Chris Jones. I don't know.
Speaker 5 (27:16):
They got to make some big moves to get Pickens
in there. I think Chris Jones has one more year,
big money. Yeah, all right, let's let's move on to
story number two, Colin. That's the Denver Broncos riding high
ten game win streak, two game lead over the.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
Chargers in the AFC West.
Speaker 5 (27:32):
You know, Sean Payton, he's said division, he's not really
worried about.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
He's just taking things week by week.
Speaker 10 (27:40):
The focus gets so inwardly driven to our own team
that I recognize that a team that's won the division
for having many straight years won't be able to win
it this year. We got a stretch here with some
real good football teams coming in, you know, focusing on
what we can do to win the division. You know,
the Chargers are very much alive in that battle.
Speaker 9 (28:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
The man, the NFL changes so quickly, dynasty to not
making the playoffs in a sport where forty percent of
the teams.
Speaker 5 (28:12):
Do, They're not eliminated the Chiefs. Let me just ask
you about this vaunted Broncos defense. So I got some
numbers because I've.
Speaker 4 (28:18):
Looked at this game.
Speaker 5 (28:19):
So the Colts, you know, they had seven point one
yards per play, four hundred and seventy three yards against
this Broncos defense. Jackson Dart went up and down the field,
five long touchdown drives in Denver. The Chargers six drives
of fifty or more yards against this Denver.
Speaker 4 (28:35):
Is the Denver defense.
Speaker 5 (28:36):
Awesome or do they get fat and happy against bad teams?
Speaker 3 (28:39):
I think there's some truth here.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
Like I look at the Houston Texans and the Seahawks,
and I see dominating, aggressive defenses, length, speed, aggressive coach.
I look at Denver's and I see one great pass rusher,
one unbelievable Hall of Fame level corner, and good players.
I like Denver's roster, but I like Bo Nicks and Cortland,
Sutton and Miners, the offensive line and Garrett Bowles, I like,
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I think Harvey's a little underrated. The running back, Yeah,
he yet a good game. I think they have a
receiving core that's long and athletic. I think the Denver
talent is spread now. I think he Funga is tremendous.
I think the Denver defense, the Denver talent is spread
all over the place. I think Seattle and the Texans
and the Rams have better defenses. I think Phillies defense
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is really talent.
Speaker 4 (29:28):
Well went healthy.
Speaker 5 (29:29):
They need Jalen carterback obviously, but I would agree with
that sentiment. Final story, Klin, Let's go to the matchup
Sunday on Fox. Here at so far, what a week
for sports in La Stafford versus Golf. Are you excited?
Remember the big trade? Obviously back in the day, both
teams have benefited. I know the Rams have a Super Bowl,
the Lions don't, but this is crazy. We've got a
breakdown of the numbers we'll say in a minute of
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the teams from this trade. Here's Stafford talking about how
it was win win for both franchises.
Speaker 11 (29:55):
I'm happy to be where I am, and I feel
like the Lions obviously have capitalized on a lot of
the picks and players that they were able to acquire
in that trade. Their franchise is as good as it's
been ever, you know, and in the last handful of years.
So two, you know, successful teams, really good football coaches,
good football you know programs at the moment, and uh yeah,
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it looks like one that you know, both sides got
kind of what they were looking for out of it.
You know, I think as time goes on, we'll keep
looking back on it saying the same thing because you know,
it seems to work out for both teams.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
It's actually it's one of the great even trades ever.
Speaker 5 (30:30):
Here are the numbers on the screen, like that's legitimately crazy.
Speaker 4 (30:33):
Now it's almost identical stats.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
Well, what McVeigh.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
Wanted was a bigger arm.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
He thought Stafford had a bigger.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
Arm, was better pre snap Safford's a better ride.
Speaker 4 (30:47):
GoF is very good.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
What the Lions needed was draft capital while maintaining competency
at quarterback. But they needed and to the Lions credit,
they hit on all those draft picks. Yah, I mean
they went like you know, I mean you look at
those draft picks they became they kept using and using
and manipulating, and they got Brad Holmes a great GM.
So that is one of those trades where you know,
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they wanted a quarterback moving into his athletic prime and
draft picks a notch below Stafford. But McVay was like, Okay,
I got to a super Bowl. I don't know if
I can win one. With Goff and he was right.
Stafford is more. It's more elegant, more Tiffany as a
as a.
Speaker 5 (31:24):
Any lean on this game. Besides the oh, I think
the total was like fifty five.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
There's gonna be I've told you before when the numbers
four or five take the favorite. Yeah, I owe that's
to me anytime somewhere between four and five and a half.
Speaker 4 (31:37):
I mean, if you look at the injuries in the
secondary for.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
Detroit branches out round for the year.
Speaker 5 (31:41):
Yeah, that's devastating because he's a real good chess piece
on the back end. I don't know how they slow
down Puka and Adams and the three Titans. I think
the Rams, I don't know what their team total is.
They're gonna score forty here with ease.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
Maybe Detroit gets a backdoor point, has extra prep time
they do, maybe.
Speaker 4 (31:58):
They get the back door cover. I just I don't
totally now.
Speaker 5 (32:01):
Then, to be clear, the Rams secondary, they were cooked
by Bryce Young, the kid who's the kid from Washington,
skitty guy, Jayden Dale, the cornerback. He had a good
season and then he's starting to get roasted all of
a sudden. I have some questions about the Ram secondary
but I do like the rams here to uh to
dispatch a line.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
By the way, Fox has this game and Tom Brady,
who is on our show tomorrow will be calling you,
so that is going to be a great game.
Speaker 5 (32:26):
Thank you to the producer. Forbes is the cornerback, Emmanuel Forbes.
Speaker 7 (32:30):
Yeah, it was good.
Speaker 5 (32:31):
You go look at that Carolina tape. He was roasted
repeatedly by Tech McMillan and company.
Speaker 7 (32:35):
It was not great.
Speaker 5 (32:36):
So I do think Ama Rock would have a big
game or Jamison Williams.
Speaker 4 (32:39):
But I like the rams here.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
J Mack with the news.
Speaker 7 (32:42):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by.
Speaker 12 (32:45):
Next time.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
Danny parkins FS one is always great. He disagrees with
me on my baseball take, uh, and then Josh pay
the best young voice in college football, will be joining
us as well. My baseball take is, with all the
platforms and all the streaming eyeballs, we have more choices
as consumers, we're distracted on our phones. We have more choices.
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So Disney has done this mission impossible, the Avengers mission impossible.
You've got to go big. You've got to get Tom
Cruise to get people into the theater. So you've got
to get Spielberg as a director, or Martin Scorsese.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
You've got to go big. And the Dodgers realizing not
only in distractedt LA, but in a distracted.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
World, they're going all in. They're not going to make
as much profit now, but they're building a massive brand
in a very distracted baseball world, and they're going to
build a dynasty. And it is the way. That's why
the NBA and I like the NBA. The NBA is
like parody, parody gets lost, Parody gets lost. Parody was
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great when we had Fox, NBC, ABC, CBS, and then
it's cable and then it's streaming, and then it's TikTok
and then it's ig and then it's all wide. And
so the Dodgers are like in LA, which is distracted anyway,
beach mountains, Vegas, nearby pro teams. It's like, you've got
to go gigantic, you've got to go mission impossible, you've
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got to go all in. And I think the NBA
is in their fields. We want to give little guys
a chance. College football is a great example. Go look
at the college football ratings at Fox. We had the
three highest rated games and there's a lot of Texas,
Ohio state. You know, big teams in those games, Michigan.
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That's why when the PAC twelve folded, nobody was watching
the PAC twelve and the best, most interesting teams joined
the Big ten. It was like the Big ten got
like hgh. And that's when Texas and Oklahoma joined the
giant SCC, it was like a little jet fuel. Now
you have these two massive conferences in the ratings. As
from the roof independent garage band no shot, you gotta
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go big and the Dodgers owners they get it.
Speaker 3 (35:07):
Philip Rivers joining the Coles is he talking? Apparently? Is next?
Speaker 2 (35:16):
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Speaker 1 (35:50):
Know the Miami Dolphins are still all these years later
looking for their all these years later, looking for the
next Den Reno, and the Broncos had to go get
Peyton Manning to get their next l Way. It's remarkable
since Andrew Luck suddenly retired right before the season for
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the Colts, the effect that's had on the organization. They
have been bailing water at quarterback ever since. Anthony Richardson,
Daniel Jones, Carson Wentz, Matt Ryan, Philip Rivers and now
Philip Rivers again at forty four, is coming out of retirement.
And here he was this morning on being back with Indy.
Speaker 12 (36:32):
Like all of us, even me, I mean, you're a
little scared, a little nervous, I mean all the above,
all the any ages that you throw in there, that's
a synonym with those, but excited. You know, as you
see every week, whether you're twenty four and in the
best shake of your life or whether you're forty four.
Speaker 7 (36:45):
And and you know not so sure.
Speaker 12 (36:48):
You know, anything can happen. So that has never been
a concern of mine. And you know, you never hope
something like that, right or expect something like that, to
have him with a shoot something like that happens. I
got a long time to recover.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
Apparently he took that Colts offense implemented it with his
son's high school teams, was pretty familiar with the Colts
lexicon on offense. He was also asked what he currently weighs.
Speaker 7 (37:14):
What are you waiting right now, right this second? I'm
not sure?
Speaker 12 (37:18):
Ry how about that? That's an honest answer, and I
will answer your question a little better. On the plane away, Greg,
and not what it was when I walked up the
film in Buffalo. All right, I can tell you that,
but then I'll follow that up with I ain't never
ran away from anybody anyway. So I'm they you know,
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people say, well, they know you're gonna be right there,
and it's like, well they knew that for sixteen seventeen years.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
So a remarkable player has the strangest delivery, tough guy,
trash talker.
Speaker 5 (37:51):
Did you hear did you see the report that during
his medical examination they asked when was your last colonoscophe
Not normally a question for NFL players, but they asked
Rivers because he's so old?
Speaker 3 (38:00):
Is that true?
Speaker 1 (38:01):
No, that's not I was just joking, Okay, not that funny.
I thought it was my first takeaway. Is I worry
about him now?
Speaker 7 (38:06):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (38:07):
But he is.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
I will say I always like Philip Rivers because I
do like my quarterbacks like I like my furniture. Big
and hard to move. And he is a load. He
probably weighs now two sixty.
Speaker 4 (38:20):
He's probably heavier than their some of their linebackers.
Speaker 1 (38:23):
Oh, he absolutely is. So I worry about his safety.
He's such a good guy.
Speaker 4 (38:29):
Do you really trot him out there in Seattle? Colin,
you've seen that front seven men. Well, they're flying around.
Speaker 3 (38:34):
They have a lot of weapons. Steichen's very smart.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
By the way, Daniel Jones in recent weeks because of
the fibula injury, he couldn't move and by the way,
God down for them, well not great.
Speaker 5 (38:47):
So let me, is there uncertainty heading into this offseason
with this team?
Speaker 4 (38:51):
Like the owners on the sideline.
Speaker 1 (38:53):
Taking notes, they took a big swing on Sauce Gardner.
Probably not worth two first round picks, certainly one and
maybe a three or whatever. Listen, they face four playoff teams, that's.
Speaker 5 (39:05):
Probably one and four. They're probably gonna be eight to nine.
Here's the worst part. What do you do at quarterback
next year.
Speaker 3 (39:10):
Collin, because they're in the middle of the pack for drafting.
Speaker 5 (39:13):
No, no, j Jets, We'll get their twenty six first
round pick, so that's like seventeenth. And then so do
you extend Daniel Jones coming off in achilles.
Speaker 4 (39:20):
I saw a report this.
Speaker 5 (39:21):
Is his third season ending injury. He's only twenty eight
years old. He's hurt a lot.
Speaker 1 (39:27):
Could you make a trade with the Niners you need
mac Jones? Is there something that Niners could use somebody
on DP FAC to Forrest Buckner? I was gonna say,
that's not terrible. I mean they have they have pulled
every lever, Matt Ryan, Philip Rivers, Carson Wentz, the Butterfly effect. Like,
it's just amazing what Andrew luckx retirement did to this franchise.
Speaker 4 (39:51):
I feel.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
I mean, like if, like the Rams have two first
round picks, so they're going to draft a quarterback for
the future.
Speaker 3 (39:57):
But I mean, just take it.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
What if like today, with all of Kansas City's issues, Mahomes.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
Said, I don't want to play anymore?
Speaker 4 (40:04):
Oh come on, no, maybe you're just sitting devastating.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
Well, of course, because you look and you're like, well,
well he's still on a contract, and our all line
needs work, and our D line needs work. Like Andrew
Luck's team wasn't quite there and finished yet and then
he stepped out. It just shows you the difficulty. Miami's
still trying to find the next Marino. Yeah, I mean
it's it's and Denver's had Like Jake Plumber was good
and they went and got t Bow was fascinating, and
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Peyton Manning's good, and I mean they've tried.
Speaker 4 (40:31):
Here's the worst part.
Speaker 5 (40:32):
The Jets have their twenty seven first round pick as
well in the Sauce Garner deal. Okay, so if Daniel
Jones is out half the season, they keep him, Like
they're not going to be good next year. I don't
want to go overboard, but the GM and coach could
be in some trouble.
Speaker 7 (40:48):
They could.
Speaker 5 (40:48):
It's not fair, but I just don't see a path
to success for them this year or next year. Like
maybe your mac Jones' idea fails him out, but they
don't have the draft picks to trade for mac Jones.
Speaker 1 (40:59):
You go play, I think, well, I think yeah, if
I'm San Francisco, I don't want just draft pick.
Speaker 4 (41:04):
Think Tyler Warren is the next George Kittle.
Speaker 5 (41:06):
Would you give up like, I don't know, they're.
Speaker 4 (41:11):
In real trouble.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
Well, they've got a rush end they like in Indie.
Would you give the rush.
Speaker 4 (41:15):
End the kid from UCLA?
Speaker 3 (41:17):
Give up? Give up a.
Speaker 1 (41:17):
Rush end and a second round pick for mac Jones.
I mean, gonna say what you want, you can't.
Speaker 5 (41:23):
The way is mac Jones would have a bigger market,
wouldn't the Steelers somehow pony up more?
Speaker 1 (41:27):
Yeah, but they don't ever act urgently for quarterbacks there.
Steichen and Ballard would be on that in Tuesday.
Speaker 5 (41:34):
If you Colts and Kyler Murray, did they make a
splash move for Kyler Murray?
Speaker 1 (41:39):
I think stike In has tried the great athlete thing.
I think he wants a guy throwing darts from the pocket.
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Here we go, It's our two. And on Wednesday, Flying
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Speaker 1 (00:35):
I was down in MB last night. J Mack, your territory.
Got ready to call you and Luke and have a
game of basketball in the backyard.
Speaker 4 (00:42):
Luca's got a newborn. He can't hang.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
You got about six kids, you can't eat.
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I do not have six kids.
Speaker 5 (00:48):
You actually do right the old blended accent.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
All right.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
So I've said before, I'm kind of rooting for the
Buffalo Bills to win a Super Bowl for two reasons.
The city. He deserves it. My wife used to work
in HR. She was always like nicest people in the
world in Buffalo. And it's just like I just root
for like the Cubs to win a World Series. It's like,
come on, the great fans, Waveland Avenue, Wrigley Field, I mean,
there is very little.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
I was just talking to somebody about this yesterday.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
If Wrigley Field was over in Europe, everybody would be like,
oh it once in your life, you gotta fly to
Europe and go to Wrigley It's unbelievable. I now live
in Chicago most of the time. It's incredible. And so
you root for the Cubs. I root for Buffalo. But
Josh Allen, this should be the year, the moment in
time he wins. Mahomes may not make the playoffs. Burrow's
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not gonna make the playoffs. Lamar Jackson may not make
the playoffs. Justin Herbert is just trying to stay alive
with that offensive line.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
This should be the year. But I don't think they're
gonna do it.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
And I think it reminds me he just won AFC
Player of the Week third time this year. This reminds
me of John Elway with Denver. John Alway had a
lot of good teams. He was the most talented quarterback
for a decade his generation. And Dan Reeves was a
good coach. Mike Shanahan was a better fit and a
great coach. They had to upgrade from a really good
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coach and he had to get Terrell Davis and then
John Elway instead of getting blown out in Super Bowl,
started winning them. That's where I feel we are with
Josh Allen. I like Sean McDermott, He's Dan Reeves. It's
an offensive league, man. They just too many times, situationally
in big spots they get worked. And I like James Cook.
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He leads all running backs with fumbles. They can't stop
the run. They're tight ends only on offense throwing the
ball down the field. He needs his Mike Shanahan and
he needs his Terrell Davis in the form of a
wide receiver. Somebody who played with Elway and Mike Shanahan.
Mark Schlareth is joining us live from Denver. So you
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played only with Shanahan, so you didn't experience the Reeves.
And there is some I don't think John always difficult,
but with certain personalities, John has a strong point of view.
Shanny was a better fit. I look at Buffalo, Mark,
I believe this is their year. Mahomes Burrow, you've watched
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them play. What's your take on my take that even
though we like McDermott, I feel like it's time.
Speaker 6 (03:35):
Yeah, I mean, you're losing a game to the Cincinnati
Bengals who don't have a defense a week ago. And
when the going gets rough, whether it's flay off football,
whether it's a game like last week, it always feels
like the coaching staff says, hey, Josh, go win this
game for us.
Speaker 7 (03:54):
Go do something remarkable.
Speaker 6 (03:55):
Put on your Superman cape, make an an unbelievable throw,
or scrap for forty yards and beat somebody.
Speaker 7 (04:02):
That's what it feels like in Buffalo.
Speaker 6 (04:05):
And I was doing a Miami game a couple of
weeks ago, and I watched Miami beat the Buffalo Bills,
and I thought, to myself, they can't stop the run.
They aren't very good on that side of the ball.
They don't have a ton of weapons for Josh Allen,
and I thought from an offensive standpoint, the number of
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mistakes they made in the running game, the number of
misidentified defenses they had, all these different things that.
Speaker 7 (04:32):
I looked at, and I was thoroughly unimpressed with the
Buffalo Bills as a football team.
Speaker 6 (04:39):
I was blown away by their quarterback, but thoroughly under
impressed with everything else.
Speaker 7 (04:45):
Colin, so I'm with you. This is the year No Burrow.
Speaker 6 (04:48):
As you mentioned no Mahomes as you mentioned Lamar.
Speaker 7 (04:52):
Maybe maybe not. I don't know.
Speaker 6 (04:55):
This feels like the year that if you put it
all together, you could take your team to a championship game.
Speaker 7 (05:02):
And yet I don't. I don't. I'm with you. I
don't believe they're gonna make it.
Speaker 6 (05:06):
I think they're too flawed everywhere else and they just
rely too much on Josh Allen.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
So you did Shador Sanders game last week, which was
actually a very entertaining game, and I said, I don't
believe the conspiracy theories. I think Dylan Gabriel played so
many college games he was just more ready to be
an NFL quarterback than Shador was. But Shador I think
has more talent, and over time you see the talent.
But I don't think there was a conspiracy theory. It's
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Dylan had so many reps in college, like bow Nicks,
he was kind of ready to play. What did you
make a shaduor soup the nuts top to bottom? What
did you make of him?
Speaker 7 (05:42):
Yeah? No, I agree with you on that. I mean, the.
Speaker 6 (05:45):
Conspiracy theorists are stupid. I had like, like you've got
one of thirty two teams. There's there's one called he's
been the two time coach of the Year, and you
think he's bringing out the crappy plays for Shador to
run to sabotage him, Like, what what are we talking about?
Any of you conspiracy theorists are dumb. You're just dumb.
It's not how the NFL works. I mean, the odds
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are to the fans, he's probably going to be let go.
And you know, ultimately, you've got to have a guy
in the meeting rooms. You've got to have a guy
in the organization. They can spit it out on a
grease board. Well, listen, maybe that's not Shador's strong suit.
He told me, Man, I learned by playing. That's where
I learned my best. Chador still has a ton of
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growth to go as far as becoming a complete NFL quarterback,
you know, anticipatory throws, reading a defense, and doing all
those things.
Speaker 7 (06:36):
But he's exceptionally gifted.
Speaker 6 (06:37):
I was shocked at how good he was in that
game about avoiding the rush, avoiding contact, keeping you play alive,
scrambling around, and then when he gets one on one
opportunities versus man coverage or when things break down, his
ability to throw an absolute dime piece is exceptional.
Speaker 7 (06:57):
That's where he is great.
Speaker 6 (06:59):
But like all young quarterbacks cam Ward on the other side,
they still are a work in progress when it comes
to learning an offense and learning how to orchestrate through
a progression. And you know, his strong suit isn't anticipatory throws.
Speaker 7 (07:12):
His strong suit is.
Speaker 6 (07:13):
Finding the one on one coverage and absolutely letting it eat.
And he threw a couple of guys open with some
throws that to me were just big time throws.
Speaker 7 (07:22):
But that stuff is easy to see.
Speaker 6 (07:24):
It's the other things, you know, the underlying things that
are hard to do as an NFL quarterback, and that's
where he needs a lot of work. And you know
he's going to get his opportunity here in the next
four weeks to get that done. But to think that
a coach is going to sabotage a player because he
doesn't like them. Your it's your reputation, it's your legacy,
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it's your job on the line.
Speaker 7 (07:47):
That's the absolute dumbest thing I've ever heard.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
One of the things I like about you living in
Denver and the Broncos being good is you watch, you
have sources, You watch every practice.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
You know you get.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
You get the video that we don't get. You get
the stories. Reading the Denver pub to watch the news.
You are you are embedded, feet on the ground. And
obviously you know I love Peyton. I think their roster
is excellent. I don't watch every snap, but I watch
every game to some point. Where have you seen the
growth with bow Nicks or has there been because he
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came in with sixty one college starts right, so like
you kind of feel like his game is his game?
Have you seen growth or are you concerned that you
know he's still really uneven. Great in the fourth not
good in the first half.
Speaker 6 (08:31):
Yeah, last three weeks or so, I've seen a ton
of growth. Colin Okay, And I think I think the
I think one of the hard things to do when
you're a very gifted athlete is to not let your
athletic competition take over. You still have to play with
this subdued nature. You have to play in a rhythm,
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and I think where bow struggles is that competitive nature
where things break down and instead of being composed, he
gets a little frenetic. You know, he doesn't climb the pocket,
he sprints up in the pocket. And I watched him
early in the in the year where he climbed the
pocket so hard, He's sprint up in the pocket so
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hard he missed a wide open receiver because he bumped
into one of his offensive linemen. And you're like, dude,
calm down. But like, that's part of that kind of
competitive I was raised by a football coach, you know,
just type a personality, And where I've seen Bow makes
significant strides is calming down, having calmer feet, climbing the pocket,
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not springing.
Speaker 7 (09:43):
In the pocket. And basically, and this is.
Speaker 6 (09:46):
Gonna sound crazy, occasionally taking a sack or two right,
and that to me signifies, hey, man, there's some growth here.
I don't have to be you know that that crazy
athletic company a competition, dude, and I can just orchestrate.
And you look at last week, and I know a
lot of people you know here in Denver got all
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upset because well, they didn't push the ball down the
football field. He was thirty one of thirty eight for
two hundred and twelve yards and it was as good
as you can play. They had two fourteen play drives
in a nineteen play drive. They only had they had
six They had I think seven total drives and you
think about this. In the NFL, you usually have about
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twelve possessions to get sixty five plays. They had seven
possessions and ran seventy two plays. They were unbelievably efficient,
and bo was taking what the defense gave him. He
was throwing his checkdowns, He had an awareness of where
his answers were to blitzes and pressures. I thought he
played probably the best game I've seen him play. And
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it wasn't statistically huge. It's not what you're gonna win
MVPs on. It's just how you're gonna win games in
the NFL.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
So you have the Texans this week, and I said
the two teams. I would not want to play the
Seahawks in the NFC. They are so fast and aggressive
on both sides, like you better be buttoned up. And
I wouldn't want to play the Texans. They've got playoff experience.
I think Demiko Ryans. You talk about schemes, you're watching
film this week, they shut you down. I mean opposing
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quarterbacks passer ratings are like seventy four. I think the
Texans are like Seattle. They're going to come in, nobody's
going to there's no pressure we're all talking Rams and
Eagles and Lions and Packers. We're all talking to the
Bills and the Patriots. What do you see with the Texans?
Because I would I said it yesterday. I would not
be shocked if they ended up in the AFC Championship game?
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What do you see with them?
Speaker 6 (11:47):
You know, it's always funny you kind of study the
game through the straw hold with which you played, you know,
you just get laser focused on Hey, what it is
they do?
Speaker 7 (11:56):
And I'm watching them, going, man.
Speaker 6 (11:58):
How would I block these guys like Hunter coming off
of one edge, Will Anderson?
Speaker 7 (12:03):
And they don't just try to win or beat you.
Speaker 6 (12:06):
They tried to obliterate you. They tried to embarrass you.
And you know what I love about them? And this
goes back to my playing days, Colin, I was an
identity guy.
Speaker 7 (12:19):
I want to know what we are on offense.
Speaker 6 (12:22):
I want to know when we get into a situation
second down and one we were a conversion team, what
are we going to run?
Speaker 7 (12:29):
Well?
Speaker 6 (12:29):
I knew second down and one man three plays. One
of three plays is coming in eighteen nineteen handoff, fourteen
fifteen handoff or QB sneak and I knew it beyond
the shadow of doubt, and it was a ten thousand
hour rule. We've done a ten thousand times, you've defended
it a one hundred times. We're better than you, and
we know it, and we're going to converge, and we're
going to wear your butts out.
Speaker 7 (12:49):
The Houston Texas, to me, are simple.
Speaker 6 (12:51):
They're just a simple football team that absolutely bludgeons people.
They're the best defense in football. And I live in Denver.
I live in Denver, where Denver's God a great defense.
But the Houston Texas, like I don't see a weakness
defensive line wise. They pressure, they beat you up physically,
they just wear you out. They've got speeded linebacker position.
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They've got an unbelievable secondary at Lassiter on one side,
Stingling on the other side. I think Petree might be
the best nickel guy in all of football.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
Man.
Speaker 6 (13:22):
They are loaded, They shut down tight ends. They are
a damn good, scary defense. And now they lack offensively.
They can't block a lot of people, but that defense
keeps them in games. And in a must have it
win at home for the Kansas City Chiefs, they ended them.
Mahomes had three interceptions completely forty two percent of his passes.
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I mean they ended the Kansas City Chiefs. It was impressive.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
Finally, speaking of Kansas City, is it a rebuild or
a red tool in your opinion? They can't run o lines, weak,
don't get consistent pressure, Kelsey retires, Chris Jones no longer
at least this year, elite that field. That sounds like
a rebuild, not a retool. You've watched them, what do
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you think?
Speaker 6 (14:10):
Yeah, I think it's more of a retool. They've had
some injuries on their offensive line. They're never like Andy
Reid as a former offensive lineman, He's never which is
crazy to mean, He's never really wanted to run the ball,
and so they're.
Speaker 7 (14:24):
Still going to have my homes. Obviously, Kelsey is not
what he once was.
Speaker 6 (14:28):
I think the biggest thing with Kansas City really, you
know that all the stuff I said about Houston notwithstanding,
is defensively, they haven't consistently been able to get off
the ball or get off the field when they needed
to in critical situations. I think that's been the biggest
difference with Kansas City this year. They've always been able
to get off the field and give their offense one
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more opportunity to give their offense one more chance. And
that really hasn't been the case this year. But I
still think it's more of a retool. But man, when
you travel around the league, Colin, and you do games
around the league, it's amazing, like, oh, yeah, I remember
when that guy played in Kansas City. Oh yeah, that
guy for that team. Yeah, I remember when he played
in Kansas City. Oh yeah, that starting corner. I remember
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when he was a Kansas City chief. Oh that's like,
it's that's what happens when you are an elite level
football team. Is the teams that are trying to get
to your stratosphere, they go find your guys.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
In free agents.
Speaker 6 (15:23):
Because free agency because not only are they really good
players and they're disciplined players because they've been coached, they
also have a championship pedigree that you want to bring
into your organization.
Speaker 7 (15:32):
So that's what happens to great teams.
Speaker 6 (15:35):
It's been an unbelievable run over the last seven years.
And being that I'm a Denver Bronco or a former
Denver Bronco, I guess never former. Once a Bronco, always
a Bronco. I'm happy to say that. I'm glad the
Kansas City Chiefs have fall on hard times.
Speaker 7 (15:48):
It makes me very happy.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
Mark slera Fox Sports, Cardinals, Texans this Sunday.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
Good talking to you, a bud.
Speaker 7 (15:56):
Likewise, Collin, take everybody.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
Yeah, let's look at.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
The AC and NFC playoff picture. Moswell throwed up there
one more time. It's a I mean, nobody would have
guessed New England. I like Denver to win the division,
but you know it's it's not historically. I mean, what's
funny about the AFC. You can tell it's not great
because it's a lot of teams we didn't expect the
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NFC playoff picture, coaches, quarterbacks, stars. We expected Green Bay Rams,
San Francisco, Detroit, Philadelphia's on hard times. I like Seattle's
my pick of the year. Nobody liked them. I thought
they were going to be a playoff team. But you
can tell the NFC's better on the AFC because we're
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getting who we thought great coaches, elite quarterbacks, elite rosters.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
It's a lot of shock.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
For about six years, we kind of five years, we
kind of felt like we knew who was good in
the AFC. All those quarterbacks got paid, and now the
roster Buffalo's roster, Kansas City's roster, since ADDIE's roster, Buffalo's.
Speaker 4 (17:02):
This's not that good, they're saying.
Speaker 5 (17:03):
So someone put together an interesting comparison of strength of schedule,
whatever that's worth in the NFL. So they looked at
who you've played and whether you're good or they're good
or not. The New England Patriots have played the thirty
second ranked schedule in the league. They've played a lot
of bad teams have would you believe Denver has played
the thirty first toughest schedule, So those two teams at
the top of the AFC have played the weakest schedules.
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It gets worst, Chargers thirtieth, Bills twenty eighth, the team
to watch, Houston Texans have played these second toughest schedule. Yes,
you look at the teams they've played, they're all good.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
So if there's a great point, So there's a reason
Denver is an underdog at home to Green Bay exactly.
There's a reason New England at home, Yeah, is an
underdog to Buffalo because of the schedule.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
We don't buy their wins.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
If I had the guest today, looking at all these
teams if you ask me who is gonna make the
AFC Championship.
Speaker 5 (17:57):
Woof right now, let me guess we're hot on the Texans.
They just beat the Chiefs. I went and bet some
Texans to win the AFC Texans would you do last night?
Speaker 4 (18:07):
Huh?
Speaker 3 (18:08):
AFC Championship? Look at that? Who would you do?
Speaker 5 (18:11):
I mean, whoever gets the buy has a big edge, clearly,
but I would go whoever.
Speaker 4 (18:15):
Gets the buy.
Speaker 5 (18:15):
I think it'll probably be the Patriots, and I will
go Texans Patriots.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
And I'm the same way as of now I would do.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
I would sounds goofy and we're gonna get to I
totally agree. I think in Foxborough it's gonna be it's
gonna be Drake may c J. Stroud, It's gonna be Demico,
Ryan's Rabel. I would take New England Denver. I can't
believe you said that, So let's go.
Speaker 4 (18:34):
To the NA New England, Okay.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
I would go to New England host no New England
hosting Texans Texans. If I had to bet today, the
best defense easily with a very very good coach and
excellent I remember.
Speaker 4 (18:47):
That Eagles defense last year was off like Hurs.
Speaker 7 (18:49):
Was really good.
Speaker 4 (18:49):
Say CuO was good, Eagles defense is nasty.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
Okay, let's go to the NFC.
Speaker 7 (18:53):
Now.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
Now let me let me just so right now, boy,
this is tough.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
Yeah, okay, and again there's reseting I would get.
Speaker 4 (19:02):
I assume you think Rams are gonna get tonight.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
I think Rams Packers feels like the team I would
go Rams. And again I have no problem taking the
seventh seeded Texans because the AFC is weaker. Okay, but
the two teams at the top right now, Rams and
Green Bay. I got a plus coaches, excellent quarterbacks, good
enough O lines, excellent playmakers, excellent pass rushes.
Speaker 5 (19:24):
So if you're hot on strength of schedule, the Rams
have played the fourteenth toughest mid pack Seattle twenty sixth. Yeah,
a lot of bad teams. Packers twenty fifth the interesting
team to watch here. We're not gonna like to hear it.
Philadelphia fifth toughest schedule of opponents so far this year.
So if you look at this skit, they've played a
lot of good teams. They beat a lot, but now
they're struggling. The one team I would watch is San
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Francisco Colin. They're getting healthy. They had the late by
McCaffrey's fresh. I would keep an eye on the Niners.
But the NFC is way tougher to diagram than the AAFC.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
Is just not good. Right now, that's good stuff, you like.
Speaker 4 (20:01):
You said Rams and Packers. Yeah, I think that that's good.
Speaker 5 (20:05):
I just don't we like the ram They don't have
a huge home field advantage out here, man, they don't.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
So if the Packers come here seventy thirty green.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Bay, yeah, yeah, God, that would be that'd be a
great game. But you know, in recent history, you know this,
offensive coaches end up in the final four teams. So
you'd get mcveih Lafleur, but then you'd get Rabel and
Demico NFC coaches on the other side. That's why it's
hard to go against Sean Payton because he'll manipulate. I mean,
Denver's been so good in the fourth quarter. They're very
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good at manipulating outcomes and manipulating the playbook.
Speaker 5 (20:37):
Would you bet Jordan Love to win the MVP right now? No,
Josh Allen, Josh Allen MVP. Oh come on, he had
a six touchdown game. I mean he Green Bay has
more support. Jordan Love has a great coach, and Allen won.
Speaker 4 (20:50):
It last year. Remember the media votes for this stuff. Yeah,
well they already gave Josh Allen one. You know they
love to spread the wealth.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
Jordan Love's got a Jordan Love has a much better defense,
six times the receiving corps and a better head coach.
Speaker 5 (21:06):
I don't think the media thinks like that was the footing.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
I mean the numbers on.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
I mean, I just think Green Bay is a totally
complete outfit GM fans quarterback coach O Line's ok. I
don't know where the line is ranked. It feels okay
to me. In the middle of the O line is okay,
weapons pass rush Josh Allen interesting, Well, you better beat
the Patriots. He can't lose to the Patriots twice or right,
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Drake May would get the MVP over Josh Allen. Okay,
I'm just telling you right now, we always do this.
What happens if what if Drake May and Mike Rabel
beat Buffalo again? I think Drake's probably the MVP at
A tell you if you own the Bills, Mike Rabel's
first year in beats Josh allen first year. And by
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the way, when you watch the first game is new
England look more complete. I mean, what is it tell
you if I own the team and I'm like, Okay,
Rabel comes in. Rabel's still in a rebuild. New England
still needs another draft. Maybe they've got some Their offensive
line is not great, their run games not very dynamic.
That is I'm telling you. We keep saying this. That
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is a big game for Buffalo this weekend. Yeah, you
can't get swept by Drake mayn Vrabel.
Speaker 5 (22:21):
Is that the biggest game on the schedule, Well, it
is Nickers Broncos, but also yeah, yeah, yeah, Patriots Bills.
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Just lost Pete Alonso, the soul, the heart and soul
of their franchise to the Baltimore Orioles.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
Small market.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
Baltimore stole Pete Alonso from the Mets, so Edwin.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
Diaz, their ace.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
Dodgers got him, but Baltimore and Steve Cohens, the richest
baseball owner, the little guy, came in and swiped Pete Alonzo.
I'm sure this will be handled with nuance and grace
and dignity by wf an hosts.
Speaker 5 (23:44):
Were the Mets good this year for most of the
season and then collapsed or something like that?
Speaker 4 (23:48):
I mean through the Mets here.
Speaker 5 (23:49):
The Mets and Giants are just total poverty franchises right now,
just so bad behind the scenes.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
The melting down is going to be unbelievable. But you
know again, falls up. I mean to me, the Cubs
are good, the Dodger's good, the Yankees good. I'm waiting
for the Braves to kick it.
Speaker 4 (24:09):
Phillies are the Red Sox backer.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
The Red Sox make a lot of revenue, they don't
spend enough of it. The Phillies are back. Phillies are
really good.
Speaker 4 (24:16):
They are good.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
So I mean Kyle Schwarber. The Phillies re signed him.
He's not their best player, but he's kind of the
soul of the franchise. Everybody loves Kyle Schwarber. That to me,
that's Pete Alonso is either best player, No, that's Soto,
but he is the soul of the franchise. And Steve
Cohen let him go to small market Buffalo, Blimore, Baltimore, Baltimore.
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Can you imagine the radio today in New.
Speaker 4 (24:40):
York, Well, yeah, enough times.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
Yeah, I'm sure it'll be measured, Yeah, certainly contextualized.
Speaker 4 (24:48):
Decorum.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
J Mack with the news.
Speaker 4 (24:54):
This is the Herdline News.
Speaker 5 (24:57):
Let's start with some George Pickens, the Cowboys receiver, little
drama after the no show against Detroit. Richard Sherman called
him out. It's been interesting. Jerry Jones, though he's not
that concerned about George Pickens terrible game against the Lions when.
Speaker 9 (25:12):
It comes to competing, when it comes to loving the game,
and I emphasize that point right there, loving the game,
I give you may blesses, just so that I'm real
clear about it. I don't have the concern that the
debate about what George Pickens did or didn't do in
that game. I don't have that kind of concern about
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him as far as it's competing and company us win
football games on the field at all.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
So I was I had the good fortune of having
dinner last night with an NFL GM and we talked
about this about loving the game and it's and Tony
Gonzalez has said this more than once to me when
he used to come on the show, is that you'd
be surprised how many guys love the game, totally committed
to the game. So what Jerry's saying is, I've on
this team a long time. Everybody loves it. A lot
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of them. A lot of my players like it. They
like what football can do for them in their life,
but they don't love it.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
And what he sees every.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
Day is the passion George Pickens has. And I got
to tell you this is something with Nil. A lot
of times you wonder do the kids love it or
do they love what football provides? And you do want
to have a locker room with mostly guys who cry
when you lose, who deeply care, who are willing to block,
you know, do the ugly stuff. Receivers that are willing
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to block. That's loving the game because cash and it's
the easy.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
Part, right.
Speaker 5 (26:35):
Well, there's also the aspect of what happens when you're losing.
I mean, Pickens was at a good school. In college,
they didn't lose a lot. He was on the Steelers.
They were winning a lot, and then they started losing.
And what happened He started dogging it. What happens when
they getting smoked by the Lions, he starts dogging it.
Speaker 4 (26:49):
I just wonder things go south.
Speaker 7 (26:52):
Do you love it?
Speaker 4 (26:52):
Or are you just like this sucks? I'm not interested.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
Oh no, it's fair. It's fair. He's a talent.
Speaker 5 (26:56):
Though there's some chatter out there, Hey the Chiefs, we
need to go get a type type.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
Let's go get Pickens. I don't see.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
I don't think that delt with dysfunction. I mean they've
they've some of their guys have been in trouble. They've
dealt with it.
Speaker 9 (27:08):
Well.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
They have a good they have a sound structure. New
England could deal with a little bit of that.
Speaker 5 (27:12):
I wonder Uh, okay, you're not gonna be able to
afford Pickens.
Speaker 4 (27:15):
You move off, Chris Jones. I don't know.
Speaker 5 (27:16):
They got to make some big moves to get Pickens
in there. I think Chris Jones has one more year,
big money. Yeah, all right, let's let's move on to
story number two, Colin. That's the Denver Broncos riding high
ten game win streak, two game lead over the.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
Chargers in the AFC West.
Speaker 5 (27:32):
You know, Sean Payton, he's said division, he's not really
worried about.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
He's just taking things week by week.
Speaker 10 (27:40):
The focus gets so inwardly driven to our own team
that I recognize that a team that's won the division
for having many straight years won't be able to win
it this year. We got a stretch here with some
real good football teams coming in, you know, focusing on
what we can do to win the division. You know,
the Chargers are very much alive in that battle.
Speaker 9 (28:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
The man, the NFL changes so quickly, dynasty to not
making the playoffs in a sport where forty percent of
the teams.
Speaker 5 (28:12):
Do, They're not eliminated the Chiefs. Let me just ask
you about this vaunted Broncos defense. So I got some
numbers because I've.
Speaker 4 (28:18):
Looked at this game.
Speaker 5 (28:19):
So the Colts, you know, they had seven point one
yards per play, four hundred and seventy three yards against
this Broncos defense. Jackson Dart went up and down the field,
five long touchdown drives in Denver. The Chargers six drives
of fifty or more yards against this Denver.
Speaker 4 (28:35):
Is the Denver defense.
Speaker 5 (28:36):
Awesome or do they get fat and happy against bad teams?
Speaker 3 (28:39):
I think there's some truth here.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
Like I look at the Houston Texans and the Seahawks,
and I see dominating, aggressive defenses, length, speed, aggressive coach.
I look at Denver's and I see one great pass rusher,
one unbelievable Hall of Fame level corner, and good players.
I like Denver's roster, but I like Bo Nicks and Cortland,
Sutton and Miners, the offensive line and Garrett Bowles, I like,
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I think Harvey's a little underrated. The running back, Yeah,
he yet a good game. I think they have a
receiving core that's long and athletic. I think the Denver
talent is spread now. I think he Funga is tremendous.
I think the Denver defense, the Denver talent is spread
all over the place. I think Seattle and the Texans
and the Rams have better defenses. I think Phillies defense
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is really talent.
Speaker 4 (29:28):
Well went healthy.
Speaker 5 (29:29):
They need Jalen carterback obviously, but I would agree with
that sentiment. Final story, Klin, Let's go to the matchup
Sunday on Fox. Here at so far, what a week
for sports in La Stafford versus Golf. Are you excited?
Remember the big trade? Obviously back in the day, both
teams have benefited. I know the Rams have a Super Bowl,
the Lions don't, but this is crazy. We've got a
breakdown of the numbers we'll say in a minute of
(29:49):
the teams from this trade. Here's Stafford talking about how
it was win win for both franchises.
Speaker 11 (29:55):
I'm happy to be where I am, and I feel
like the Lions obviously have capitalized on a lot of
the picks and players that they were able to acquire
in that trade. Their franchise is as good as it's
been ever, you know, and in the last handful of years.
So two, you know, successful teams, really good football coaches,
good football you know programs at the moment, and uh yeah,
(30:16):
it looks like one that you know, both sides got
kind of what they were looking for out of it.
You know, I think as time goes on, we'll keep
looking back on it saying the same thing because you know,
it seems to work out for both teams.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
It's actually it's one of the great even trades ever.
Speaker 5 (30:30):
Here are the numbers on the screen, like that's legitimately crazy.
Speaker 4 (30:33):
Now it's almost identical stats.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
Well, what McVeigh.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
Wanted was a bigger arm.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
He thought Stafford had a bigger.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
Arm, was better pre snap Safford's a better ride.
Speaker 4 (30:47):
GoF is very good.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
What the Lions needed was draft capital while maintaining competency
at quarterback. But they needed and to the Lions credit,
they hit on all those draft picks. Yah, I mean
they went like you know, I mean you look at
those draft picks they became they kept using and using
and manipulating, and they got Brad Holmes a great GM.
So that is one of those trades where you know,
(31:08):
they wanted a quarterback moving into his athletic prime and
draft picks a notch below Stafford. But McVay was like, Okay,
I got to a super Bowl. I don't know if
I can win one. With Goff and he was right.
Stafford is more. It's more elegant, more Tiffany as a
as a.
Speaker 5 (31:24):
Any lean on this game. Besides the oh, I think
the total was like fifty five.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
There's gonna be I've told you before when the numbers
four or five take the favorite. Yeah, I owe that's
to me anytime somewhere between four and five and a half.
Speaker 4 (31:37):
I mean, if you look at the injuries in the
secondary for.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
Detroit branches out round for the year.
Speaker 5 (31:41):
Yeah, that's devastating because he's a real good chess piece
on the back end. I don't know how they slow
down Puka and Adams and the three Titans. I think
the Rams, I don't know what their team total is.
They're gonna score forty here with ease.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
Maybe Detroit gets a backdoor point, has extra prep time
they do, maybe.
Speaker 4 (31:58):
They get the back door cover. I just I don't
totally now.
Speaker 5 (32:01):
Then, to be clear, the Rams secondary, they were cooked
by Bryce Young, the kid who's the kid from Washington,
skitty guy, Jayden Dale, the cornerback. He had a good
season and then he's starting to get roasted all of
a sudden. I have some questions about the Ram secondary
but I do like the rams here to uh to
dispatch a line.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
By the way, Fox has this game and Tom Brady,
who is on our show tomorrow will be calling you,
so that is going to be a great game.
Speaker 5 (32:26):
Thank you to the producer. Forbes is the cornerback, Emmanuel Forbes.
Speaker 7 (32:30):
Yeah, it was good.
Speaker 5 (32:31):
You go look at that Carolina tape. He was roasted
repeatedly by Tech McMillan and company.
Speaker 7 (32:35):
It was not great.
Speaker 5 (32:36):
So I do think Ama Rock would have a big
game or Jamison Williams.
Speaker 4 (32:39):
But I like the rams here.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
J Mack with the news.
Speaker 7 (32:42):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by.
Speaker 12 (32:45):
Next time.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
Danny parkins FS one is always great. He disagrees with
me on my baseball take, uh, and then Josh pay
the best young voice in college football, will be joining
us as well. My baseball take is, with all the
platforms and all the streaming eyeballs, we have more choices
as consumers, we're distracted on our phones. We have more choices.
(33:09):
So Disney has done this mission impossible, the Avengers mission impossible.
You've got to go big. You've got to get Tom
Cruise to get people into the theater. So you've got
to get Spielberg as a director, or Martin Scorsese.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
You've got to go big. And the Dodgers realizing not
only in distractedt LA, but in a distracted.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
World, they're going all in. They're not going to make
as much profit now, but they're building a massive brand
in a very distracted baseball world, and they're going to
build a dynasty. And it is the way. That's why
the NBA and I like the NBA. The NBA is
like parody, parody gets lost, Parody gets lost. Parody was
(33:51):
great when we had Fox, NBC, ABC, CBS, and then
it's cable and then it's streaming, and then it's TikTok
and then it's ig and then it's all wide. And
so the Dodgers are like in LA, which is distracted anyway,
beach mountains, Vegas, nearby pro teams. It's like, you've got
to go gigantic, you've got to go mission impossible, you've
(34:14):
got to go all in. And I think the NBA
is in their fields. We want to give little guys
a chance. College football is a great example. Go look
at the college football ratings at Fox. We had the
three highest rated games and there's a lot of Texas,
Ohio state. You know, big teams in those games, Michigan.
(34:35):
That's why when the PAC twelve folded, nobody was watching
the PAC twelve and the best, most interesting teams joined
the Big ten. It was like the Big ten got
like hgh. And that's when Texas and Oklahoma joined the
giant SCC, it was like a little jet fuel. Now
you have these two massive conferences in the ratings. As
from the roof independent garage band no shot, you gotta
(35:01):
go big and the Dodgers owners they get it.
Speaker 3 (35:07):
Philip Rivers joining the Coles is he talking? Apparently? Is next?
Speaker 2 (35:16):
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Speaker 5 (35:26):
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or other regional action. Then in America's Game of the Week,
Jared Gobs leads the Lions against Matthew Stafford and the
Rams in a huge NFC showdown, or it's the Titans
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(35:46):
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we all.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
Know the Miami Dolphins are still all these years later
looking for their all these years later, looking for the
next Den Reno, and the Broncos had to go get
Peyton Manning to get their next l Way. It's remarkable
since Andrew Luck suddenly retired right before the season for
(36:11):
the Colts, the effect that's had on the organization. They
have been bailing water at quarterback ever since. Anthony Richardson,
Daniel Jones, Carson Wentz, Matt Ryan, Philip Rivers and now
Philip Rivers again at forty four, is coming out of retirement.
And here he was this morning on being back with Indy.
Speaker 12 (36:32):
Like all of us, even me, I mean, you're a
little scared, a little nervous, I mean all the above,
all the any ages that you throw in there, that's
a synonym with those, but excited. You know, as you
see every week, whether you're twenty four and in the
best shake of your life or whether you're forty four.
Speaker 7 (36:45):
And and you know not so sure.
Speaker 12 (36:48):
You know, anything can happen. So that has never been
a concern of mine. And you know, you never hope
something like that, right or expect something like that, to
have him with a shoot something like that happens. I
got a long time to recover.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
Apparently he took that Colts offense implemented it with his
son's high school teams, was pretty familiar with the Colts
lexicon on offense. He was also asked what he currently weighs.
Speaker 7 (37:14):
What are you waiting right now, right this second? I'm
not sure?
Speaker 12 (37:18):
Ry how about that? That's an honest answer, and I
will answer your question a little better. On the plane away, Greg,
and not what it was when I walked up the
film in Buffalo. All right, I can tell you that,
but then I'll follow that up with I ain't never
ran away from anybody anyway. So I'm they you know,
(37:40):
people say, well, they know you're gonna be right there,
and it's like, well they knew that for sixteen seventeen years.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
So a remarkable player has the strangest delivery, tough guy,
trash talker.
Speaker 5 (37:51):
Did you hear did you see the report that during
his medical examination they asked when was your last colonoscophe
Not normally a question for NFL players, but they asked
Rivers because he's so old?
Speaker 3 (38:00):
Is that true?
Speaker 1 (38:01):
No, that's not I was just joking, Okay, not that funny.
I thought it was my first takeaway. Is I worry
about him now?
Speaker 7 (38:06):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (38:07):
But he is.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
I will say I always like Philip Rivers because I
do like my quarterbacks like I like my furniture. Big
and hard to move. And he is a load. He
probably weighs now two sixty.
Speaker 4 (38:20):
He's probably heavier than their some of their linebackers.
Speaker 1 (38:23):
Oh, he absolutely is. So I worry about his safety.
He's such a good guy.
Speaker 4 (38:29):
Do you really trot him out there in Seattle? Colin,
you've seen that front seven men. Well, they're flying around.
Speaker 3 (38:34):
They have a lot of weapons. Steichen's very smart.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
By the way, Daniel Jones in recent weeks because of
the fibula injury, he couldn't move and by the way,
God down for them, well not great.
Speaker 5 (38:47):
So let me, is there uncertainty heading into this offseason
with this team?
Speaker 4 (38:51):
Like the owners on the sideline.
Speaker 1 (38:53):
Taking notes, they took a big swing on Sauce Gardner.
Probably not worth two first round picks, certainly one and
maybe a three or whatever. Listen, they face four playoff teams, that's.
Speaker 5 (39:05):
Probably one and four. They're probably gonna be eight to nine.
Here's the worst part. What do you do at quarterback
next year.
Speaker 3 (39:10):
Collin, because they're in the middle of the pack for drafting.
Speaker 5 (39:13):
No, no, j Jets, We'll get their twenty six first
round pick, so that's like seventeenth. And then so do
you extend Daniel Jones coming off in achilles.
Speaker 4 (39:20):
I saw a report this.
Speaker 5 (39:21):
Is his third season ending injury. He's only twenty eight
years old. He's hurt a lot.
Speaker 1 (39:27):
Could you make a trade with the Niners you need
mac Jones? Is there something that Niners could use somebody
on DP FAC to Forrest Buckner? I was gonna say,
that's not terrible. I mean they have they have pulled
every lever, Matt Ryan, Philip Rivers, Carson Wentz, the Butterfly effect. Like,
it's just amazing what Andrew luckx retirement did to this franchise.
Speaker 4 (39:51):
I feel.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
I mean, like if, like the Rams have two first
round picks, so they're going to draft a quarterback for
the future.
Speaker 3 (39:57):
But I mean, just take it.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
What if like today, with all of Kansas City's issues, Mahomes.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
Said, I don't want to play anymore?
Speaker 4 (40:04):
Oh come on, no, maybe you're just sitting devastating.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
Well, of course, because you look and you're like, well,
well he's still on a contract, and our all line
needs work, and our D line needs work. Like Andrew
Luck's team wasn't quite there and finished yet and then
he stepped out. It just shows you the difficulty. Miami's
still trying to find the next Marino. Yeah, I mean
it's it's and Denver's had Like Jake Plumber was good
and they went and got t Bow was fascinating, and
(40:28):
Peyton Manning's good, and I mean they've tried.
Speaker 4 (40:31):
Here's the worst part.
Speaker 5 (40:32):
The Jets have their twenty seven first round pick as
well in the Sauce Garner deal. Okay, so if Daniel
Jones is out half the season, they keep him, Like
they're not going to be good next year. I don't
want to go overboard, but the GM and coach could
be in some trouble.
Speaker 7 (40:48):
They could.
Speaker 5 (40:48):
It's not fair, but I just don't see a path
to success for them this year or next year. Like
maybe your mac Jones' idea fails him out, but they
don't have the draft picks to trade for mac Jones.
Speaker 1 (40:59):
You go play, I think, well, I think yeah, if
I'm San Francisco, I don't want just draft pick.
Speaker 4 (41:04):
Think Tyler Warren is the next George Kittle.
Speaker 5 (41:06):
Would you give up like, I don't know, they're.
Speaker 4 (41:11):
In real trouble.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
Well, they've got a rush end they like in Indie.
Would you give the rush.
Speaker 4 (41:15):
End the kid from UCLA?
Speaker 3 (41:17):
Give up? Give up a.
Speaker 1 (41:17):
Rush end and a second round pick for mac Jones.
I mean, gonna say what you want, you can't.
Speaker 5 (41:23):
The way is mac Jones would have a bigger market,
wouldn't the Steelers somehow pony up more?
Speaker 1 (41:27):
Yeah, but they don't ever act urgently for quarterbacks there.
Steichen and Ballard would be on that in Tuesday.
Speaker 5 (41:34):
If you Colts and Kyler Murray, did they make a
splash move for Kyler Murray?
Speaker 1 (41:39):
I think stike In has tried the great athlete thing.
I think he wants a guy throwing darts from the pocket.
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