NFL analyst Greg Cosell stops by The Herd to talk about the Eagles poor play as of late, the lack of talent in Buffalo after Josh Allen, Jordan Love and the Packers offense, and more
Colin feels Bengals QB Joe Burrow is probably not too happy with the franchise lately
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Speaker 3 (00:34):
I just saw this story.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
I'm glad my staff alerts me to the very biggest
of stories.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
No, not Michigan football.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
The Eagles positivity rabbit has been yanked from the Eagles
locker room. So Nick Seriyani, mister, he totally gets the
vibe of the locker room with a big swing and
a miss on the old positivity rabbit.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
They didn't even get the holiday right.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Christmas is in two weeks and I got an Easter.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Rabbit in there.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Come on, so uh yeah, yeah, this this whole thing
feels cringey in a reach I can't unsee and unhear
Saquon Barkley's reaction when that goofy thing was inserted into
the locker room a week ago. Just watch his body
language in his eyes.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
I have no idea.
Speaker 5 (01:23):
I don't I'm not into like holidays and like bunnies
and Christmas. I do to Christmas stuff. I got kids,
but like I'm not really big like joyful holiday person.
I guess so I don't know why. I think that's
really the only spot we can put a big bunny.
But I was told, uh, it's uh vibe bunny, uh,
and the vibes are high. So there we go.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
See, you didn't sign off when I'm being in front
of your locker.
Speaker 5 (01:46):
Didn't sign off from a locker not at all.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Feels like a Howie Roseman plant to get him whacked.
Eventually that thing was cringey. Well whatever, Uh, here's what's not.
Greg co Sel, forty years NFL Films is joining us.
This is a really interesting weekend. We kind of know
what everybody is by this time in the season, right.
Some young players maybe getting better. I do think bo
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Nix has played a little better. When I look at
the Bills and the Patriots New England, I still feel
needs another draft. Although they've been great, they've played an
easier schedule. What would worry me is if I was
a Buffalo fan, Burrow's probably not going to make the playoffs, right,
Mahomes won't make it. Lamar Jackson may not make it.
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I mean, Herbert's got the worst offensive line, if not AFC,
in all of football. And yet Buffalo feels like that
defense is not good enough. They don't have a downfield
consistent receiver. Is it time for a reality check? What
does the film say on Buffalo in terms of overall?
Like you, I watched the Seahawks, I just see talent.
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I watch the Rams, I see speed, talent, dexterity. What's
the film saying on Buffalo's overall tent? If you take
out Josh Allen.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
I think you've nailed it, and I think it's been
that way for a few years. They are not one
of the more talented teams in the league. You'd be
hard pressed to name an impact player that they have
on the defensive side of the ball. They certainly don't
have a receiving corps. If we look at you Kir
and say he's their best receiver, he's clearly a number
three type. He's very good at that, but he's a
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number three type. So they're really not that good a
football team, and I know that there's been a lot
to talk about, Well, this is Josh Allen jeer and
if he doesn't make it, you know that is so silly.
They're just not that good overall from a talent perspective.
I mean, look what happened last week. They had the
two interceptions, which are both kind of fluky. I mean,
good plays, but fluky. And they couldn't stop the Bengals
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at all on third down. And I know Bosa didn't play,
and he does give you some pass rush, but they
don't really have an impact player on that side of
the ball. And they've got no receiving corps. So they're
a hard team. They have to scheme up every offense
and then hope that Josh Allen in a given game
makes Josh Allen plays And it's very hard to live
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in that world every single week, Colin, And you know
that we've talked about this before.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Yeah, So Ravens have a different issue. I think their
roster is good. I like their coach, Lamar doesn't feel
one hundred percent. Jaymck and I have gone back and
forth on this. Right, The Zay Flowers relationship is good,
So Lamar I think last week Zay had eight or
nine catches. When you look at Baltimore's offense, Lamar doesn't
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feel like he's got quite the juice or is it
a scheme thing?
Speaker 4 (04:38):
You know, It's funny. I felt over the last couple
of years with Monkein that the schemes were very good,
and I thought that that really helped Lamar be a
really consistent pocket quarterback. He throws the ball very very
well from the pocket. He's normally a very precise ball
location thrower. This year, since he's been back and again,
I can't speak to what he feels, but I can
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only tell you that on the tape he's missing throws
that he normally makes. So I don't know if that's
if there's a physical reason for that. I don't know
if there's a mental reason for that. But he's just
missing throws he normally makes. And I think my sense
just watching his body languages I go back and forth
with the clicker watching the tape is I don't think
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he's comfortable with what he's seeing. And that may be
a confidence thing. Now you're getting into a guy's head,
which you know I can't do. But you know, he
just to me. His movement now, to me, which I
have always found to be pretty calculated and controlled. I
always got this sense when he moved you probably did
as well, that positive things were going to happen. Now
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when you see him move, I don't get that same feeling.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
You know. I said it this week with Jordan Love.
If you just look at traits, size, arm movement, you
know he's a very very good player. You know, he's young, uneven.
There have been times I've bailed. Times I love him,
But I do feel this offense now is clicking. Some
of it is health. They lost craft a tight end
for the year. Well, what does the film say about
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Green Bay? It feels sometimes they can be a little streaky,
but it does feel like an elite offense to me.
Speaker 4 (06:15):
Well, I think they're a little old school in the
sense that they clearly want to run the football as
a foundation, and because Jacobs is not an explosive back,
you don't get thirty forty yard runs, so the run
game is sustaining more than explosive. And it'll be interesting
to see how they continue to work Luke Musgrave into
their offense, because when I watched the tape last week,
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there were a couple of plays where I called in
my guys and said, Wow, this guy can run, and
so I'm curious to see how that gets worked in.
But as far as the pass game, they do try
to take shots down the field, working off the run game.
I think that one of the things that stands out
with Love and why he's playing I think pretty well
right now and not turning the ball over, is he's
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more willing to be control in the throws that he makes.
You know in the past, you now that he was
there was a reckless nature to him at times, and
every once in a while that might show up. But
I think if he doesn't see it down the field,
he's much more calculated in dumping the ball down, taking
a check down, throwing the ball short, allowing the offense
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to work. So we'll see how this season plays out.
He's a good player, The defense is good. They're a
solid football team.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
I want to talk to some Bears who lost close
to Green Bay at Lambeau. They face the Browns this week.
They're a home favorite. How concerned are you with Caleb
Williams accuracy or lock thereof?
Speaker 4 (07:39):
It's a concern he misses too many to use a
Curd Warner term layups, and I think those are throws
you have to make. It. It's hard to understand to me,
I don't know a rational reason for it, because he'll
make unbelievable throws and he's obviously got a ridiculous arm.
The ball comes out beautifully and he'll make ridiculously good
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and then just miss with really scattershot throws. You know,
throws you got to make. So I don't know the
reason for that. But you know, he's certainly a very
gifted thrower and he can throw really well on the run,
but he's going to have to become more consistent with
throws that are there. You know, we all see the highlights.
We also see the special throws he's capable of that.
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To me, the number one thing in his improvement and
development this year Colin is the fact that he's not
getting sacked very much. And believe me, teams have done
studies over the years that indicate more often than not
that quarterbacks that get sacked a lot in college get
sacked a lot in the in the NFL, and that's
not been the case for him this year after leading
the NFL in sacks last year. So I think that
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that improvement is big because sacks just take you out
of drives.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
Yep, all right, let's do our weekly Chaduur update. I
think you know I said this. Dylan Gabriel got to
start initially by Cleveland because he had so many college starts.
He was just more ready initially to play. But Shador's
talents better. That's what I see when I watch him.
What do you see?
Speaker 4 (09:08):
I thought he played very well this week, you know,
and you don't me well enough to know I don't
make these bold pronouncements about what he's going to do
this week or what his future is. I mean, obviously
with the way he played last week, and you're seeing
a terrific throw. By the way, that was one of
the better throws of the week. He played very very well.
But you know this, you start to see, well, they
found their franchise quarterback. Let's let's let him play more reps.
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Let's let's see him play against you know, good teams.
But there's no question what the film showed last week.
He was poised, he was calm, He made really good throws.
I think he had a sense of where to go
with the football. He played very good football last week.
And I thought some of the things that stood out
the week before he overcame last week. He didn't miss
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throws that were there. He did not turn it loose
when there were clean looks. I thought last week he
played very well. There's no or the way around it.
That's what the tape tells you. So the Rams have
been a season long heater.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
And what's scary is there healthy Puka Devonte, the tight ends,
k Blake Korum now is getting looks. We know McVeigh,
we know their schemes are going to be good, but
it just feels like they just get these wonderful chunk
plays whenever they need them. Are they the combo of
talent scheme? Do you lean maybe they've just drafted well,
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we know they have on defense. What does the film
say about what the Rams present drive to drive?
Speaker 4 (10:37):
Well? Offensively? They made a major change starting Week seven,
which you don't normally see that kind of dramatic change
in the middle of a season. They started playing with
three tight ends as a true foundation of their offense.
So basically, since Week seven they've played probably about forty
percent of their snaps with three tight ends, and prior
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to that they had played no snaps with three tight ends.
So McVeigh obviously saw something in his team and something
in the way he wanted to go about building offense,
and he made a change. Like I said, you don't
see that kind of dramatic change. And let me tell
you something, Colin on first down out of three tight ends,
they have been just unbelievably good, not just in the
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run game where you might expect because they've got big
bodies on the field, but in the past game as well.
And Puka Nakua until last week was not the single
wide receiver when they played three tight ends, and last
week he played in the thirteen personnel package for the
first time and he was a factor catching the ball,
had a thirty two yard reception at a three tight ends.
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So I'm fascinated when I watch a McVeigh. I think
Mike McDaniel is like that in many ways with the
development in his run game. You know, those kinds of
coaches I think just have such a great feel for
how to build offense.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Chargers Chiefs meet at Kansas City's over a field goal favorite.
You know I said this, Everybody keeps telling me, well,
they're just a little retool, not a rebuild. They averaged
the last couple of years a touchdown less than Mahomes
is early years. And I've said this, if I say,
name they're ten best players today, not on legacy, they're
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ten best players. And then I ask you to name
the Seahawks, Rams, Packers, Lions, Eagles ten best players. I
think it's I don't think it's just a hey, we
got Mahomes, We're fine. Last couple of years, they averaged
twenty two points a game. That's with Andy Reid, that's
with Mahomes. Yes, I don't think I think they're better
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than Buffalo, but I don't think I think they need
more of a rebuild than people think. What's the films?
Speaker 4 (12:46):
Then yeah, and it's funny you mentioned that about the offense,
because look, we know what Mahomes is. But one of
the things you know, and again I'm just watching the
tape and one of the things that I've really noticed,
and Mahomes is a player that is so special making
outside of structure plays. He just has that spatial awareness,
that incredible vision on the move. And there's no question
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for the most part he's played well this season. It's
not as if he's played bad football. But the more
I watch him every single week, Colin, at times, I
feel as if their whole offense has become Mahomes making.
Outside of structure plays, they don't really have a consistent
run game. I know a few weeks ago they ran
ninety plays one hundred and thirty carries. But for the
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most part, they don't really have a consistently viable run game,
and they don't really seem to have a true pocket
pass game that you can count on every week because
most of the really good plays we see every week
are Mahomes being Mahomes being special. And the thing that
really stands out to me it's now been more than
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a year and a half, is Xavier Worthy, who they
drafted around the four to one at the combine. There's
no vertical element with Xavier Worthy in their offense, and
that's very surprising to me because that's kind of I
would assume why they drafted him.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Yeah, I always thought he was a gadget guy. I
never thought, you know, I think he I don't know.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
All they obviously thought more. They drafted him in the
first round.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
That's right, So.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
I said this week, I wouldn't be shocked if the
Houston Texans made the AFC Championship. If Holmes and Burrough's
not there, the whole league is offense, right, All the
rules help offense. When I watch the Texans, I don't
know what Demko Ryans is doing. People are distressed. Every
snap you can't get first downs. Some of it's personnel.
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You could turn the sound down. They and the Seahawks
I can watch speed, I can yes. Are they clever
with schemes as well as just talent?
Speaker 4 (14:46):
Yes? And I think one of the things that Tamiko
Ryans is really good at is selective pressure. He's not
a high percentage blitzer, but each game, depending on the opponent.
You know, there are games where on second down he'll blitz,
but you think, well, that's not a down you normally blitz,
But he'll do that in a given game. But he's
so good with his selective use of pressure, even though
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he's not one of those guys that just dials it
up on a consistent basis. But they are really really
good at all three levels. And I would say the
area of their defense that's not talked about enough because
we focus so much on Hunter, on Will and Will
Anderson deservedly, so are their interior D linemen. Their interior
D linemen are very very good, and they post problems.
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It's very hard to double team guys when you play
the Texans, and often they'll line up in five man
fronts and that leads to what we call five to
zero protection, meaning the O line blocks one on one
against the D lineman and or a linebacker who's ever
the fifth guy on the ball, and it's very very
difficult they create these one on ones. And on the
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back end, I think I may have said this a
week ago, but I think Kaln Bullock this year has
been the best post safety in the NIF.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
Okay, Colt Seahawks Philip Rivers is going to get some
snaps here that worries me. Yes, there is. I know
they're reckless and I know they're young. Moy I watch
that defense. I watched that offense. I mean, Sam Donald,
you know I've always loved him. Give me the elements
why that offense is so explosive.
Speaker 4 (16:22):
Well, what they've done as the season has progressed as
Clint Kobiak's offense, the way he wants to run offense
has taken hold, and Donald's become more comfortable in it is.
They are very good with under center play action because
they don't run the ball great on a weekly basis,
but they are very good with under center play action. Donald,
as you know, pushes the ball down the field. We'll
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get to that in a moment, but I think you
have to say something about their defense, and you started
with their defense. They are among the league's best in
terms of a trend that is now taken over the
league in many ways, and that's playing with what we
call big nickel three safeties as almost they're found Nation defense.
And nick Emmnwari, the rookie from South Carolina who basically
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is an over sixty three to two twenty. I think
at the combine he ran a four to three eight.
He has become a dominant player as a rookie with
his alignment versatility, with his multi dimensional traits. And they've
got a really good d line. This is a really
really good defense. But offensively, getting back to that, and
we'll get to the play here momentarily. We can actually
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show it now because this play is very reflective of
what they are as an offense and what they've evolved
into as Kobiak has developed with Donald over the course
of his season, and you're going to see play action
here and then you're going to see the ball being
thrown at the intermediate level. This is what they do.
They're starting to do it more and more and they're
really good at it, and we can walk through it
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because it's really good. So you're going to see Donald
under center, and that's critical, the under center element. They're
in twelve personnel with two tight ends on the field,
and then they're going to motion the tight end barner
across the formation and they're doing this for protection purposes.
That's where they're going to do it. And as I said,
they're using play action now as a major part of
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what they do, and under center play action is far
more effective than shotgun play action in its impact on
the defense. And then you're gonna have the two receivers.
It's only going to be a two man route concept,
which you don't see very often. It's a deep sale
and a crosser. So now what you get is you
get the play action which impacts the defense, and with
the tight end motion across, you get seven man protection.
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So Darnold can feel very comfortable turning his back to
the defense. And now let's just revisit the routes because
you're going to see the sale, the deep sale, and
the cross by Smith and Jigba. And how the Falcons
chose to play this was they matched up man to
man on the outside with the deep safety. That's how
they chose to play this. Now Smith and Jigma is
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the one who runs the crosser here, and you're going
to see as we stop it one more time, we're
going to see that he's going to be open on
the cross or running away from the corner and Donald
sees it. It's a clean throw. It's a big play.
They get a lot of big plays in their pass game.
This is a thirty yard play. So this is the
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kind of thing they're getting better and better at. And
because their defense is so good, Donald doesn't have to
throw forty times every game, Colin, as you know, I
mean there have been games he's thrown twenty twenty one
times because their defense is so good. But they are
capable of pushing the ball down the field. In this offense.
They definitely want to run the ball better and we'll
see if that becomes a factor in giving games as
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they play more important games. But this is a fun
offense to watch because they push it down the field.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
Good stuff.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
Greg co Sealizos forty six years NFL Films. Thanks Greg,
Thanks Colin, appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Also a story coming up later on Joe Burrow, which
is it's pretty remarkable the place he's at mentally right now.
I'm telling you I and Carson Palmer got tired of Cincinnati.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
It's coming.
Speaker 6 (20:03):
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa? How are you dropping that? And
just going a commercial break? Whoa, he's tired of Cincinnati.
Whoa New York Jets, beautiful environment in Gotham. He would
fit right into the fashion community there. We got a
great receiver in Gara Wilson.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
I'm sure that's what he's thinking of. One mess to another.
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I thought this was very very interesting.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
There is a very reasonable argument in the pocket Joe
Burrow is the best quarterback in the league in terms
of third down, fourth down.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
He's just brilliant.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
I mean, last nine starts, he's eight and one, and
we don't like that roster. But Joe Burrow this week
brought up playing amidst another tough season.
Speaker 8 (21:39):
You know, if I want to if I want to
keep doing this, I have to have fun doing it.
You know, I've been through a lot, and if it's
not fun, then what am I doing it for. I'm
not sure there is a a singular moment or of time.
Speaker 9 (21:57):
It's just a reflection in reflection on a lot of.
Speaker 8 (22:02):
Things that I've done and been through in my career.
I think I've been through more than most and it's
certainly not easy on the brain or the body. So
let's trying off. I'm doing it again.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
Interesting.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
Joe Burrow is not unhappy because the Bingals linebackers can't
tackle in space. One of the reasons he's unhappy. He
has the cheapest owner in the league and one of
the smallest, most ordinary front offices. And he watches Mahomes,
and he watches Stafford, and he watches Jordan Love and
Jalen Hurts and all the talent they have. The Bengals
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pass blocking grades since Joe Burrow started I'll read you
them in order, twenty seventh, twenty ninth, thirty first, twenty second,
twenty ninth, twenty seventh, he has consistently had the worst
offensive lines. When you're eight and one in your last
nine starts and you're not having fun, let me take
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you back to a line from red in Shawshank Redemption.
He said, I have to remind myself that some birds
aren't meant to be caged. Their feathers are just too bright.
I would add o Tawny with the Angels, Sakuon with
the Giants, Lebron in Cleveland, Shack in Orlando, maybe Cage
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in Minnesota. Carson Palmer and Joe Burrow the franchise, the ownership,
the tiny, unspectacular front office, the egregiously bad mostly for
Burrow offensive lines. Some birds can't be caged. The feathers
too bright. I could read to the rest of that bite.
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But you get the point. And you heard Burrow. That
wasn't a whoa. That was Burrow. That seemed like a
happy guy. Find me a quarterback who's what eight of nine?
And he's that pensive.
Speaker 6 (24:06):
Hey, By the way, do you want to guess how
old Joe Burrow is? I did not know this. He
looks so young.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
Thirty one.
Speaker 10 (24:12):
No, he just turned twenty nine yesterday.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Twenty nine.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Joe was watching his knees and his body and his career.
I said this two years ago. I'd force a trade.
I mean, if you were really talented. Let's say you're
a really, really good salesperson, but you worked at an
industry where you couldn't get out of your contract and
the company kept giving you lousy products to sell, and
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your rivals, guys you knew you were a better salesman
then were crushing you. They had better products. You just
didn't have the blue pill, you didn't have lippotour.
Speaker 10 (24:52):
Oh jeez, here we go.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
Okay, that's Burrow.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
He's sitting watching all these guys and he can't make
the playoffs. Cheapest owner, tiny front office, never aggressive making trades.
I do not blame Joe Burrow or any employee if
you feel trapped, you're watching less talented rivals, peers, contemporaries
because they have better bosses and better management.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
What if I always said.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
In this business, don't chase money, chase management. There's a
sea of money. There's a finite level of really good
people behind the scenes that run networks.
Speaker 6 (25:28):
Can I ask you, as a member of J and
C Consulting, what would you advise Borrow to do in
that situation? Because remember, leaving is tough. You're gonna be
the villain. KD was the villain for Lee. You won't
a lot of lebron Come on at Bernie, You'll be.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
The villain in Cincinnati. I mean, do they even have
an Applebee's? I mean, I mean, I got news for you.
If he ends up in blank and Israelly isn't a
shot at Cincinnati, It's a shot of the people who
own the Bengals. I don't care about Cincinnati, right, Like
the truth is, who cares?
Speaker 3 (25:59):
Oh, you're a villain.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Lebron was the biggest star in the world, like globally
he was like Rinaldo. Joe Burrow is an NFL quarterback,
like he's popular. But there's a lot of them. And
my take is I think people in Cincinnati are smart
enough to know he's not getting support. Yeah, I don't
think people are out there. Like when Lebron left seven
years in Cleveland, they couldn't get him a second good player.
Speaker 6 (26:23):
I understood that. I just don't know how Burrow six
is this. This is clearly a plea to ownership. Freaking
do something.
Speaker 5 (26:30):
Guys.
Speaker 6 (26:31):
Since the Super Bowl, have they done anything Colin like
roster wise to get better?
Speaker 3 (26:36):
They never make.
Speaker 6 (26:36):
I mean you look at the way the Rams are
retooling constantly. The Rams got Davonte Adams, Nate Lanman, their
drafts are Dominantmanuel Forbes, and they never make because they
have a massive scouting department.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
The Eagles have a massive scouting department. Sheer numbers volume talent.
J Mack with the news, Turn.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
On the news.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
This is the Herdline news.
Speaker 10 (26:59):
Right, Let's go to Justin Herbert.
Speaker 6 (27:01):
So they had that rousing win on Monday night football
surviving the Eagles and then the bad news afterwards, Herbert
underwent precautionary X rays to make sure his hand wasn't
further damage. Remember he was stiff. Stiff arming is safety
in space. Here is Herbert talking about those results yesterday.
Speaker 11 (27:21):
Yeah, it was pretty sorry, yesh, but I think for
the most part, got images done, X rays and everything
was clean.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
For the most part, it was very effective.
Speaker 11 (27:29):
But now in the moment, I think that was the
best thing that I could have done for the team.
And you know, getting that first down and doing everything
I can to be able to get around that edge,
and you know, there's a world where it is effective
and maybe I'm staying on my feet and getting more yards.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Listen, they were a four and a half point dog.
Now they're a five and a half point dog. So
the Sharps are pounding the Chiefs.
Speaker 6 (27:52):
I thought you four and a half to like five
and a half. Isn't that your zone where it's like
hammer the favorite.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
I initially at the lower number, I like the Chargers,
but if it's five and a half, has always been
that space where it's like just take the favor.
Speaker 6 (28:03):
Tray Smith was at practice yesterday for the Chiefs. Their
guard who missed last week. Trent McDuffie's okay, it seems
like he's practicing. I'm just gonna remind you the last
time the Chargers were on the road, they got smashed
by Jacksonville thirty five to six. Justin Herbert's last three games,
these are his passing yardage totals eighty one yards, one
hundred and fifty one, one hundred and thirty nine in
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an overtime game.
Speaker 10 (28:27):
They may get worked.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
Here this weekend, all right.
Speaker 10 (28:30):
I mean, I listen, I'm.
Speaker 6 (28:30):
Rooting Chargers, but I do think if you are going
to bet the Chiefs, this is the time for them
to make the playoffs. They win this game, all of
a sudden, the path is there. They got a couple
jokers left on the schedule.
Speaker 10 (28:40):
Next up Denver Broncos.
Speaker 6 (28:42):
They enter this game against the who they play Packers
on a ten game win streak. Colin, But like New England,
they're home underdogs this weekend, which is a little surprising
to many, not us. In a recent radio appearance, Sean
Payton was asked about being a home dog on a
ten game win streak. Here's what he said about that.
Speaker 9 (29:03):
I don't really pay attention to that until I mean, look,
we know we're playing a good football team, and so
that's something that we have no control over. Yeah, we look,
We've We've got four tough opponents the next four weeks.
Three to the four of them we are at home.
You know, we're counting on our crowd this week. Our
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last home game with Kansas City was significant, and I'm
counting on it being even at a higher level. So, yeah,
we're playing a good team.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
It's interesting game.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
I mean, the Green Bay comes off highly emotional game
against their rival, the Bears.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
What if they're a.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
Little flat, that's possible, but an AFC team, some people are.
Speaker 6 (29:50):
Calling this not we but not us, but a potential
Super Bowl preview.
Speaker 10 (29:55):
Yeah, I don't see it. I'm curious.
Speaker 6 (29:58):
How do you think bo Knicks fairs against Mike Parsons
in company? Because remember they really only rushed four They
get to the quarterback and then in the background they've
got that zone, which is kind of confusing.
Speaker 10 (30:07):
Caleb did not make any mistakes, but you know he
was extra cautious. They have a good run game. I
don't know how Denver moves the ball easily.
Speaker 3 (30:14):
I think that's a fair question.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Scripted drive will be find some of the Bears moving
the ball at least twice. Was Caleb making an other
worldly play? Ken Bo Nicks to do you trust him
to do that on the.
Speaker 3 (30:23):
Road, He's not Caleb Williams.
Speaker 10 (30:25):
I agree.
Speaker 6 (30:25):
By the way, the Bears did not have to carry
longer than nine yards last week.
Speaker 4 (30:29):
No JK.
Speaker 10 (30:30):
Dobbins.
Speaker 6 (30:30):
Obviously they got the Meniki. I think this lines up
for the Packers.
Speaker 10 (30:35):
We'll see.
Speaker 6 (30:35):
We'll see final story. Colin, So, who's the best running
back in the NFL? I mean, I think you would
and I would have been this season. Gibbs two years ago,
Ce Mac last year, Barkley. This year, Gibbs has been
unbelievable over fifteen hundred yards from scrimmage, sixteen touchdowns, and
McVeigh knows that the Rams defense they're going to have
their hands full with Jamaier Gibbs.
Speaker 12 (30:57):
As an expo explosive of a player as there is
in this league. Every single time he touches it, you're like,
oh my gosh, he might score, and you know he's
He's unbelievable.
Speaker 4 (31:08):
In both phases.
Speaker 10 (31:08):
You see him compete in protection.
Speaker 12 (31:10):
You know there was a reason why he was so
highly regarded coming out of Bama, and so he is
a special, special player and they've got a.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
Lot of them.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
Yeah, I think the Lions defense without Branch, I think
they're going to struggle to make stops, I really do.
Speaker 10 (31:27):
What about the Rams? Can they contend Gibbs?
Speaker 4 (31:29):
Now?
Speaker 6 (31:29):
They shoote see Christian McCaffrey twice a year, so they're
very well versed in running backs out of the backfield.
Speaker 10 (31:35):
You know land Man's having.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
Im telling you right now those three moves Forbes at corner,
lambinet linebacker Devonte Adams. They didn't have a lot of
holes to begin with. This rock sensive line. I mean
they just kiddy concip line is is I think very good.
The two guards are great. The tackles I think right
tackle Habenstein probably is last year, can't really block the
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speed rush. But I Rams and they're gonna go get
a corner with one of their first picks.
Speaker 6 (32:04):
Oh listen, they got Atlanta's pick in the top ten
as of right now, remember from that trade that I
mean they are Listen, man, Rams are primed.
Speaker 10 (32:11):
They're in great shape.
Speaker 6 (32:13):
You know there's some chatter if Stafford wins a Super Bowl,
does he retire, then you could use future picks to
go get a quarterback, not necessarily Mendoza, but maybe someone
existing in the NFL. Who I floated CJ. Stroud a
few uh few months ago. Now the Texans have turned
things around. Remember Stroud was unhappy there. We just talked
(32:36):
about job Burrow Begels won't want to give him up.
But it is fun to speculate and listen to the Rams.
Can you get us in their draft room so we
could figure out the sumber can give.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
Me in the draft room. Sometimes you're gonna.
Speaker 6 (32:48):
Leave the like the velvet rope, and I'm just left
on the outside with the unwashed masses.
Speaker 10 (32:53):
Just please let me in.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
Jay Mack with the news, Well.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
That's the news, and thanks for stopping by a Herd
Line news.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
Yeah, there is.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
We showed it yesterday. The top the current draft order.
They're they're the top twelve teams eight seven minimum eight
may want a quarterback. If Dante more stays in college,
and there's a likelihood he will will stay in college,
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supply is not meeting demand. Mendozo go, there's seven hundred
teams in a quarterback. So if Ty Simpson stays at Alabama,
which I don't. I don't see him as a first
round quarterback, So why not just make three four million
bucks at Alabama? So it is sometimes supply demand don't connect. Fascinating.
(33:43):
Go look right now at the current draft order top
twelve teams, because the Rams would like to first three
picks get a quarterback somewhere.
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thought it was a real moment of clarity.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
You know.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
One of the reasons I bring Greg co cell on,
I think he makes everybody smarter, myself obviously, he makes
me smarter. And then the other thing is Greg doesn't
pick a side, he doesn't care. He's you know, he's
not telling you anything other than what the film says.
That's why I always ask him at the end, what's
the film say? And I think he nailed it on Buffalo.
(34:46):
I don't think they're that talented. Here's Greg co Sell.
Speaker 4 (34:50):
It'd be hard press to name an impact player that
they have on the defensive side of the ball. They
certainly don't have a receiving corps. If we look at
your Keir and say he's there receiver, he's clearly a
number three type. He's very good at that, but he's
a number three type. So they're really not that good
a football team. And I know that there's been a
lot of talk about, well, this is Josh Allen jeer
(35:11):
and if he doesn't make it, you know, that is
so silly. They're just not that good overall from a
talent perspective.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
Now, yeah, when you're paying your quarterback. I think Josh
Allen has the second biggest cap hit in the league.
It is harder. I'm not disagreeing with that at all.
But there are certain teams in this league, rams Lions, Eagles,
you just start looking at their talent, the Texans defense, Seattle,
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a lot of my favorite gms. I think it's time
I said this earlier. It reminds me of when John
Elway was in Denver. Dan Reeves was a good coach.
They had to go to another level offensively. They got
Mike Shanahan and then they got Terrell Davis. This team
doesn't have a trustable wide receiver. How is that possible?
(36:02):
College football furnishes you with about twenty a year that
can play. I mean, how is it possible They don't have,
you know, a defensive guy you've got a scheme for,
so they can't stop the run. Some of this we
all blame quarterbacks and coaches. The front office has missed
on picks, and I understand it's hard. I just don't
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they don't pass the eye test. It's kind of the
opposite with Seattle totally past the eye test. We worry
about the quarterback in a big spot. With Buffalo love
the quarterback. Everything else is arguable. Bruce Feldman stopped by earlier.
I think Michigan is going to be fine for a
lot of reasons.
Speaker 3 (36:45):
It's one of.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
The top ten highest endowments. They got a lot of money.
A lot of smart people have gone there. They leave
and they come back to the games, and they write checks.
And the nil era Michigan is fine. I also think,
you know it's early. It's just sevenumber one eleventh. We
don't even bowl games haven't been played. The College Football
Playoff am I right, December eleventh, so the portal doesn't
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open until January. I think Michigan's an all time blue
blood job. Here's Bruce Feldman.
Speaker 13 (37:13):
It's the bluest of blue blood jobs. Jim Harbow won
a national title, as we know, just a couple of
years ago. And there's a lot of good young talents,
starting with Bryce Underwood. They signed a top, you know,
one of the top running backs in the country.
Speaker 4 (37:27):
There's a lot of pieces to work with.
Speaker 13 (37:30):
If Penn State didn't hire Matt Campbell, Matt Campbell probably
would have been a really good candidate for this job.
I don't know what they missed out on. You're Michigan.
You're not going to hire Lane Kiffin anyway, right?
Speaker 1 (37:41):
And I said this, Eardi here with Sharan Moore, the bigger,
the legend, you replace, the wider the search has to
be to replace him. Belichick leaves New England, They're like,
let's just give it to a guy on staff. Disaster.
Harball leaves just give it to the co offensive coordinator,
the former line coach. That's not big enough. And I've
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been watching this my entire life. Let's give it to
the coach's son. Let's give it to this, Let's give
it to that. Michigan football is a global search job.
I mean you you got to go after. To me,
I would go after Brian Dable and Kaylin de Boor.
I'd go and find a guy in the NFL that's
made the playoffs. Brian Dable may not be a college guy. Uh.
(38:24):
Here's Bruce Feldman on on earlier on the candidates.
Speaker 13 (38:28):
If they get knocked out early in the playoff, there's
going to be immense pressure mounting on Kaylen de Boor there.
Speaker 4 (38:36):
I'm not saying.
Speaker 13 (38:36):
He's gonna definitely bail, but it wouldn't surprise me. He
looked at and go, you know what, that might be
a better fit for me. Now, you know if like
if people are again and that's if he loses.
Speaker 4 (38:47):
Yeah it is.
Speaker 3 (38:48):
And I say this respectfully to Alabama and the SEC.
Speaker 4 (38:53):
The SEC.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
Ohio State's the only school outside of the SEC that
feels like the SEC. I mean, go to a message
board for the Buckeyes during a game. If they don't
pick up a first down in the second quarter, they
want the entire staff fired. They're nuts. The SEC is different,
you know. Maybe it's in the footprint. You don't have
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as many pro sports teams and other things, but it's
just it takes years off you unless you dominate like Saban.
So Kalin de Bor to Alabama to me was a
great hire, but an interesting fit. He's a Midwest guy.
I would not leave Alabama for Penn State. I would
strongly consider leaving Alabama for Michigan. And Michigan's a different job.
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They want you to win, but it's not SEC Ohio
State level. It's not that level of vitriol and pressure.
Speaker 3 (39:50):
And Kalen Bor is great.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
I mean, I'm telling you the history of college football,
going from Saban to Kaylin de Bor. You can't do
better than that. You can't.
Speaker 3 (39:58):
I mean Kalen de Boor.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
If you look at his career before Alabama, his winning
percentage was like eighty percent or higher. So I think
Michigan Michigan's great. You get the best of everything. There's money,
you don't have to worry about capital in the NIL era,
academics are strong, but not unreasonable. You can get good
players in the college. It's not Yale, but they're very strong.
(40:22):
It's a beautiful place to live. It's got an unbelievable brand.
Our next guest went there, Tom Brady. What did Tom major?
And I don't think I ever asked him that. Tom
Brady next
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Speaker 3 (00:34):
I just saw this story.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
I'm glad my staff alerts me to the very biggest
of stories.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
No, not Michigan football.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
The Eagles positivity rabbit has been yanked from the Eagles
locker room. So Nick Seriyani, mister, he totally gets the
vibe of the locker room with a big swing and
a miss on the old positivity rabbit.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
They didn't even get the holiday right.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Christmas is in two weeks and I got an Easter.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Rabbit in there.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Come on, so uh yeah, yeah, this this whole thing
feels cringey in a reach I can't unsee and unhear
Saquon Barkley's reaction when that goofy thing was inserted into
the locker room a week ago. Just watch his body
language in his eyes.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
I have no idea.
Speaker 5 (01:23):
I don't I'm not into like holidays and like bunnies
and Christmas. I do to Christmas stuff. I got kids,
but like I'm not really big like joyful holiday person.
I guess so I don't know why. I think that's
really the only spot we can put a big bunny.
But I was told, uh, it's uh vibe bunny, uh,
and the vibes are high. So there we go.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
See, you didn't sign off when I'm being in front
of your locker.
Speaker 5 (01:46):
Didn't sign off from a locker not at all.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Feels like a Howie Roseman plant to get him whacked.
Eventually that thing was cringey. Well whatever, Uh, here's what's not.
Greg co Sel, forty years NFL Films is joining us.
This is a really interesting weekend. We kind of know
what everybody is by this time in the season, right.
Some young players maybe getting better. I do think bo
(02:10):
Nix has played a little better. When I look at
the Bills and the Patriots New England, I still feel
needs another draft. Although they've been great, they've played an
easier schedule. What would worry me is if I was
a Buffalo fan, Burrow's probably not going to make the playoffs, right,
Mahomes won't make it. Lamar Jackson may not make it.
(02:32):
I mean, Herbert's got the worst offensive line, if not AFC,
in all of football. And yet Buffalo feels like that
defense is not good enough. They don't have a downfield
consistent receiver. Is it time for a reality check? What
does the film say on Buffalo in terms of overall?
Like you, I watched the Seahawks, I just see talent.
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I watch the Rams, I see speed, talent, dexterity. What's
the film saying on Buffalo's overall tent? If you take
out Josh Allen.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
I think you've nailed it, and I think it's been
that way for a few years. They are not one
of the more talented teams in the league. You'd be
hard pressed to name an impact player that they have
on the defensive side of the ball. They certainly don't
have a receiving corps. If we look at you Kir
and say he's their best receiver, he's clearly a number
three type. He's very good at that, but he's a
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number three type. So they're really not that good a
football team, and I know that there's been a lot
to talk about, Well, this is Josh Allen jeer and
if he doesn't make it, you know that is so silly.
They're just not that good overall from a talent perspective.
I mean, look what happened last week. They had the
two interceptions, which are both kind of fluky. I mean,
good plays, but fluky. And they couldn't stop the Bengals
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at all on third down. And I know Bosa didn't play,
and he does give you some pass rush, but they
don't really have an impact player on that side of
the ball. And they've got no receiving corps. So they're
a hard team. They have to scheme up every offense
and then hope that Josh Allen in a given game
makes Josh Allen plays And it's very hard to live
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in that world every single week, Colin, And you know
that we've talked about this before.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Yeah, So Ravens have a different issue. I think their
roster is good. I like their coach, Lamar doesn't feel
one hundred percent. Jaymck and I have gone back and
forth on this. Right, The Zay Flowers relationship is good,
So Lamar I think last week Zay had eight or
nine catches. When you look at Baltimore's offense, Lamar doesn't
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feel like he's got quite the juice or is it
a scheme thing?
Speaker 4 (04:38):
You know, It's funny. I felt over the last couple
of years with Monkein that the schemes were very good,
and I thought that that really helped Lamar be a
really consistent pocket quarterback. He throws the ball very very
well from the pocket. He's normally a very precise ball
location thrower. This year, since he's been back and again,
I can't speak to what he feels, but I can
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only tell you that on the tape he's missing throws
that he normally makes. So I don't know if that's
if there's a physical reason for that. I don't know
if there's a mental reason for that. But he's just
missing throws he normally makes. And I think my sense
just watching his body languages I go back and forth
with the clicker watching the tape is I don't think
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he's comfortable with what he's seeing. And that may be
a confidence thing. Now you're getting into a guy's head,
which you know I can't do. But you know, he
just to me. His movement now, to me, which I
have always found to be pretty calculated and controlled. I
always got this sense when he moved you probably did
as well, that positive things were going to happen. Now
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when you see him move, I don't get that same feeling.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
You know. I said it this week with Jordan Love.
If you just look at traits, size, arm movement, you
know he's a very very good player. You know, he's young, uneven.
There have been times I've bailed. Times I love him,
But I do feel this offense now is clicking. Some
of it is health. They lost craft a tight end
for the year. Well, what does the film say about
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Green Bay? It feels sometimes they can be a little streaky,
but it does feel like an elite offense to me.
Speaker 4 (06:15):
Well, I think they're a little old school in the
sense that they clearly want to run the football as
a foundation, and because Jacobs is not an explosive back,
you don't get thirty forty yard runs, so the run
game is sustaining more than explosive. And it'll be interesting
to see how they continue to work Luke Musgrave into
their offense, because when I watched the tape last week,
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there were a couple of plays where I called in
my guys and said, Wow, this guy can run, and
so I'm curious to see how that gets worked in.
But as far as the pass game, they do try
to take shots down the field, working off the run game.
I think that one of the things that stands out
with Love and why he's playing I think pretty well
right now and not turning the ball over, is he's
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more willing to be control in the throws that he makes.
You know in the past, you now that he was
there was a reckless nature to him at times, and
every once in a while that might show up. But
I think if he doesn't see it down the field,
he's much more calculated in dumping the ball down, taking
a check down, throwing the ball short, allowing the offense
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to work. So we'll see how this season plays out.
He's a good player, The defense is good. They're a
solid football team.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
I want to talk to some Bears who lost close
to Green Bay at Lambeau. They face the Browns this week.
They're a home favorite. How concerned are you with Caleb
Williams accuracy or lock thereof?
Speaker 4 (07:39):
It's a concern he misses too many to use a
Curd Warner term layups, and I think those are throws
you have to make. It. It's hard to understand to me,
I don't know a rational reason for it, because he'll
make unbelievable throws and he's obviously got a ridiculous arm.
The ball comes out beautifully and he'll make ridiculously good
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and then just miss with really scattershot throws. You know,
throws you got to make. So I don't know the
reason for that. But you know, he's certainly a very
gifted thrower and he can throw really well on the run,
but he's going to have to become more consistent with
throws that are there. You know, we all see the highlights.
We also see the special throws he's capable of that.
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To me, the number one thing in his improvement and
development this year Colin is the fact that he's not
getting sacked very much. And believe me, teams have done
studies over the years that indicate more often than not
that quarterbacks that get sacked a lot in college get
sacked a lot in the in the NFL, and that's
not been the case for him this year after leading
the NFL in sacks last year. So I think that
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that improvement is big because sacks just take you out
of drives.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
Yep, all right, let's do our weekly Chaduur update. I
think you know I said this. Dylan Gabriel got to
start initially by Cleveland because he had so many college starts.
He was just more ready initially to play. But Shador's
talents better. That's what I see when I watch him.
What do you see?
Speaker 4 (09:08):
I thought he played very well this week, you know,
and you don't me well enough to know I don't
make these bold pronouncements about what he's going to do
this week or what his future is. I mean, obviously
with the way he played last week, and you're seeing
a terrific throw. By the way, that was one of
the better throws of the week. He played very very well.
But you know this, you start to see, well, they
found their franchise quarterback. Let's let's let him play more reps.
(09:31):
Let's let's see him play against you know, good teams.
But there's no question what the film showed last week.
He was poised, he was calm, He made really good throws.
I think he had a sense of where to go
with the football. He played very good football last week.
And I thought some of the things that stood out
the week before he overcame last week. He didn't miss
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throws that were there. He did not turn it loose
when there were clean looks. I thought last week he
played very well. There's no or the way around it.
That's what the tape tells you. So the Rams have
been a season long heater.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
And what's scary is there healthy Puka Devonte, the tight ends,
k Blake Korum now is getting looks. We know McVeigh,
we know their schemes are going to be good, but
it just feels like they just get these wonderful chunk
plays whenever they need them. Are they the combo of
talent scheme? Do you lean maybe they've just drafted well,
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we know they have on defense. What does the film
say about what the Rams present drive to drive?
Speaker 4 (10:37):
Well? Offensively? They made a major change starting Week seven,
which you don't normally see that kind of dramatic change
in the middle of a season. They started playing with
three tight ends as a true foundation of their offense.
So basically, since Week seven they've played probably about forty
percent of their snaps with three tight ends, and prior
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to that they had played no snaps with three tight ends.
So McVeigh obviously saw something in his team and something
in the way he wanted to go about building offense,
and he made a change. Like I said, you don't
see that kind of dramatic change. And let me tell
you something, Colin on first down out of three tight ends,
they have been just unbelievably good, not just in the
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run game where you might expect because they've got big
bodies on the field, but in the past game as well.
And Puka Nakua until last week was not the single
wide receiver when they played three tight ends, and last
week he played in the thirteen personnel package for the
first time and he was a factor catching the ball,
had a thirty two yard reception at a three tight ends.
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So I'm fascinated when I watch a McVeigh. I think
Mike McDaniel is like that in many ways with the
development in his run game. You know, those kinds of
coaches I think just have such a great feel for
how to build offense.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Chargers Chiefs meet at Kansas City's over a field goal favorite.
You know I said this, Everybody keeps telling me, well,
they're just a little retool, not a rebuild. They averaged
the last couple of years a touchdown less than Mahomes
is early years. And I've said this, if I say,
name they're ten best players today, not on legacy, they're
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ten best players. And then I ask you to name
the Seahawks, Rams, Packers, Lions, Eagles ten best players. I
think it's I don't think it's just a hey, we
got Mahomes, We're fine. Last couple of years, they averaged
twenty two points a game. That's with Andy Reid, that's
with Mahomes. Yes, I don't think I think they're better
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than Buffalo, but I don't think I think they need
more of a rebuild than people think. What's the films?
Speaker 4 (12:46):
Then yeah, and it's funny you mentioned that about the offense,
because look, we know what Mahomes is. But one of
the things you know, and again I'm just watching the
tape and one of the things that I've really noticed,
and Mahomes is a player that is so special making
outside of structure plays. He just has that spatial awareness,
that incredible vision on the move. And there's no question
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for the most part he's played well this season. It's
not as if he's played bad football. But the more
I watch him every single week, Colin, at times, I
feel as if their whole offense has become Mahomes making.
Outside of structure plays, they don't really have a consistent
run game. I know a few weeks ago they ran
ninety plays one hundred and thirty carries. But for the
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most part, they don't really have a consistently viable run game,
and they don't really seem to have a true pocket
pass game that you can count on every week because
most of the really good plays we see every week
are Mahomes being Mahomes being special. And the thing that
really stands out to me it's now been more than
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a year and a half, is Xavier Worthy, who they
drafted around the four to one at the combine. There's
no vertical element with Xavier Worthy in their offense, and
that's very surprising to me because that's kind of I
would assume why they drafted him.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Yeah, I always thought he was a gadget guy. I
never thought, you know, I think he I don't know.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
All they obviously thought more. They drafted him in the
first round.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
That's right, So.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
I said this week, I wouldn't be shocked if the
Houston Texans made the AFC Championship. If Holmes and Burrough's
not there, the whole league is offense, right, All the
rules help offense. When I watch the Texans, I don't
know what Demko Ryans is doing. People are distressed. Every
snap you can't get first downs. Some of it's personnel.
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You could turn the sound down. They and the Seahawks
I can watch speed, I can yes. Are they clever
with schemes as well as just talent?
Speaker 4 (14:46):
Yes? And I think one of the things that Tamiko
Ryans is really good at is selective pressure. He's not
a high percentage blitzer, but each game, depending on the opponent.
You know, there are games where on second down he'll blitz,
but you think, well, that's not a down you normally blitz,
But he'll do that in a given game. But he's
so good with his selective use of pressure, even though
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he's not one of those guys that just dials it
up on a consistent basis. But they are really really
good at all three levels. And I would say the
area of their defense that's not talked about enough because
we focus so much on Hunter, on Will and Will
Anderson deservedly, so are their interior D linemen. Their interior
D linemen are very very good, and they post problems.
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It's very hard to double team guys when you play
the Texans, and often they'll line up in five man
fronts and that leads to what we call five to
zero protection, meaning the O line blocks one on one
against the D lineman and or a linebacker who's ever
the fifth guy on the ball, and it's very very
difficult they create these one on ones. And on the
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back end, I think I may have said this a
week ago, but I think Kaln Bullock this year has
been the best post safety in the NIF.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
Okay, Colt Seahawks Philip Rivers is going to get some
snaps here that worries me. Yes, there is. I know
they're reckless and I know they're young. Moy I watch
that defense. I watched that offense. I mean, Sam Donald,
you know I've always loved him. Give me the elements
why that offense is so explosive.
Speaker 4 (16:22):
Well, what they've done as the season has progressed as
Clint Kobiak's offense, the way he wants to run offense
has taken hold, and Donald's become more comfortable in it is.
They are very good with under center play action because
they don't run the ball great on a weekly basis,
but they are very good with under center play action. Donald,
as you know, pushes the ball down the field. We'll
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get to that in a moment, but I think you
have to say something about their defense, and you started
with their defense. They are among the league's best in
terms of a trend that is now taken over the
league in many ways, and that's playing with what we
call big nickel three safeties as almost they're found Nation defense.
And nick Emmnwari, the rookie from South Carolina who basically
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is an over sixty three to two twenty. I think
at the combine he ran a four to three eight.
He has become a dominant player as a rookie with
his alignment versatility, with his multi dimensional traits. And they've
got a really good d line. This is a really
really good defense. But offensively, getting back to that, and
we'll get to the play here momentarily. We can actually
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show it now because this play is very reflective of
what they are as an offense and what they've evolved
into as Kobiak has developed with Donald over the course
of his season, and you're going to see play action
here and then you're going to see the ball being
thrown at the intermediate level. This is what they do.
They're starting to do it more and more and they're
really good at it, and we can walk through it
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because it's really good. So you're going to see Donald
under center, and that's critical, the under center element. They're
in twelve personnel with two tight ends on the field,
and then they're going to motion the tight end barner
across the formation and they're doing this for protection purposes.
That's where they're going to do it. And as I said,
they're using play action now as a major part of
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what they do, and under center play action is far
more effective than shotgun play action in its impact on
the defense. And then you're gonna have the two receivers.
It's only going to be a two man route concept,
which you don't see very often. It's a deep sale
and a crosser. So now what you get is you
get the play action which impacts the defense, and with
the tight end motion across, you get seven man protection.
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So Darnold can feel very comfortable turning his back to
the defense. And now let's just revisit the routes because
you're going to see the sale, the deep sale, and
the cross by Smith and Jigba. And how the Falcons
chose to play this was they matched up man to
man on the outside with the deep safety. That's how
they chose to play this. Now Smith and Jigma is
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the one who runs the crosser here, and you're going
to see as we stop it one more time, we're
going to see that he's going to be open on
the cross or running away from the corner and Donald
sees it. It's a clean throw. It's a big play.
They get a lot of big plays in their pass game.
This is a thirty yard play. So this is the
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kind of thing they're getting better and better at. And
because their defense is so good, Donald doesn't have to
throw forty times every game, Colin, as you know, I
mean there have been games he's thrown twenty twenty one
times because their defense is so good. But they are
capable of pushing the ball down the field. In this offense.
They definitely want to run the ball better and we'll
see if that becomes a factor in giving games as
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they play more important games. But this is a fun
offense to watch because they push it down the field.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
Good stuff.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
Greg co Sealizos forty six years NFL Films. Thanks Greg,
Thanks Colin, appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Also a story coming up later on Joe Burrow, which
is it's pretty remarkable the place he's at mentally right now.
I'm telling you I and Carson Palmer got tired of Cincinnati.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
It's coming.
Speaker 6 (20:03):
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa? How are you dropping that? And
just going a commercial break? Whoa, he's tired of Cincinnati.
Whoa New York Jets, beautiful environment in Gotham. He would
fit right into the fashion community there. We got a
great receiver in Gara Wilson.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
I'm sure that's what he's thinking of. One mess to another.
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I thought this was very very interesting.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
There is a very reasonable argument in the pocket Joe
Burrow is the best quarterback in the league in terms
of third down, fourth down.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
He's just brilliant.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
I mean, last nine starts, he's eight and one, and
we don't like that roster. But Joe Burrow this week
brought up playing amidst another tough season.
Speaker 8 (21:39):
You know, if I want to if I want to
keep doing this, I have to have fun doing it.
You know, I've been through a lot, and if it's
not fun, then what am I doing it for. I'm
not sure there is a a singular moment or of time.
Speaker 9 (21:57):
It's just a reflection in reflection on a lot of.
Speaker 8 (22:02):
Things that I've done and been through in my career.
I think I've been through more than most and it's
certainly not easy on the brain or the body. So
let's trying off. I'm doing it again.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
Interesting.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
Joe Burrow is not unhappy because the Bingals linebackers can't
tackle in space. One of the reasons he's unhappy. He
has the cheapest owner in the league and one of
the smallest, most ordinary front offices. And he watches Mahomes,
and he watches Stafford, and he watches Jordan Love and
Jalen Hurts and all the talent they have. The Bengals
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pass blocking grades since Joe Burrow started I'll read you
them in order, twenty seventh, twenty ninth, thirty first, twenty second,
twenty ninth, twenty seventh, he has consistently had the worst
offensive lines. When you're eight and one in your last
nine starts and you're not having fun, let me take
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you back to a line from red in Shawshank Redemption.
He said, I have to remind myself that some birds
aren't meant to be caged. Their feathers are just too bright.
I would add o Tawny with the Angels, Sakuon with
the Giants, Lebron in Cleveland, Shack in Orlando, maybe Cage
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in Minnesota. Carson Palmer and Joe Burrow the franchise, the ownership,
the tiny, unspectacular front office, the egregiously bad mostly for
Burrow offensive lines. Some birds can't be caged. The feathers
too bright. I could read to the rest of that bite.
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But you get the point. And you heard Burrow. That
wasn't a whoa. That was Burrow. That seemed like a
happy guy. Find me a quarterback who's what eight of nine?
And he's that pensive.
Speaker 6 (24:06):
Hey, By the way, do you want to guess how
old Joe Burrow is? I did not know this. He
looks so young.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
Thirty one.
Speaker 10 (24:12):
No, he just turned twenty nine yesterday.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Twenty nine.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Joe was watching his knees and his body and his career.
I said this two years ago. I'd force a trade.
I mean, if you were really talented. Let's say you're
a really, really good salesperson, but you worked at an
industry where you couldn't get out of your contract and
the company kept giving you lousy products to sell, and
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your rivals, guys you knew you were a better salesman
then were crushing you. They had better products. You just
didn't have the blue pill, you didn't have lippotour.
Speaker 10 (24:52):
Oh jeez, here we go.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
Okay, that's Burrow.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
He's sitting watching all these guys and he can't make
the playoffs. Cheapest owner, tiny front office, never aggressive making trades.
I do not blame Joe Burrow or any employee if
you feel trapped, you're watching less talented rivals, peers, contemporaries
because they have better bosses and better management.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
What if I always said.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
In this business, don't chase money, chase management. There's a
sea of money. There's a finite level of really good
people behind the scenes that run networks.
Speaker 6 (25:28):
Can I ask you, as a member of J and
C Consulting, what would you advise Borrow to do in
that situation? Because remember, leaving is tough. You're gonna be
the villain. KD was the villain for Lee. You won't
a lot of lebron Come on at Bernie, You'll be.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
The villain in Cincinnati. I mean, do they even have
an Applebee's? I mean, I mean, I got news for you.
If he ends up in blank and Israelly isn't a
shot at Cincinnati, It's a shot of the people who
own the Bengals. I don't care about Cincinnati, right, Like
the truth is, who cares?
Speaker 3 (25:59):
Oh, you're a villain.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Lebron was the biggest star in the world, like globally
he was like Rinaldo. Joe Burrow is an NFL quarterback,
like he's popular. But there's a lot of them. And
my take is I think people in Cincinnati are smart
enough to know he's not getting support. Yeah, I don't
think people are out there. Like when Lebron left seven
years in Cleveland, they couldn't get him a second good player.
Speaker 6 (26:23):
I understood that. I just don't know how Burrow six
is this. This is clearly a plea to ownership. Freaking
do something.
Speaker 5 (26:30):
Guys.
Speaker 6 (26:31):
Since the Super Bowl, have they done anything Colin like
roster wise to get better?
Speaker 3 (26:36):
They never make.
Speaker 6 (26:36):
I mean you look at the way the Rams are
retooling constantly. The Rams got Davonte Adams, Nate Lanman, their
drafts are Dominantmanuel Forbes, and they never make because they
have a massive scouting department.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
The Eagles have a massive scouting department. Sheer numbers volume talent.
J Mack with the news, Turn.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
On the news.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
This is the Herdline news.
Speaker 10 (26:59):
Right, Let's go to Justin Herbert.
Speaker 6 (27:01):
So they had that rousing win on Monday night football
surviving the Eagles and then the bad news afterwards, Herbert
underwent precautionary X rays to make sure his hand wasn't
further damage. Remember he was stiff. Stiff arming is safety
in space. Here is Herbert talking about those results yesterday.
Speaker 11 (27:21):
Yeah, it was pretty sorry, yesh, but I think for
the most part, got images done, X rays and everything
was clean.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
For the most part, it was very effective.
Speaker 11 (27:29):
But now in the moment, I think that was the
best thing that I could have done for the team.
And you know, getting that first down and doing everything
I can to be able to get around that edge,
and you know, there's a world where it is effective
and maybe I'm staying on my feet and getting more yards.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Listen, they were a four and a half point dog.
Now they're a five and a half point dog. So
the Sharps are pounding the Chiefs.
Speaker 6 (27:52):
I thought you four and a half to like five
and a half. Isn't that your zone where it's like
hammer the favorite.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
I initially at the lower number, I like the Chargers,
but if it's five and a half, has always been
that space where it's like just take the favor.
Speaker 6 (28:03):
Tray Smith was at practice yesterday for the Chiefs. Their
guard who missed last week. Trent McDuffie's okay, it seems
like he's practicing. I'm just gonna remind you the last
time the Chargers were on the road, they got smashed
by Jacksonville thirty five to six. Justin Herbert's last three games,
these are his passing yardage totals eighty one yards, one
hundred and fifty one, one hundred and thirty nine in
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an overtime game.
Speaker 10 (28:27):
They may get worked.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
Here this weekend, all right.
Speaker 10 (28:30):
I mean, I listen, I'm.
Speaker 6 (28:30):
Rooting Chargers, but I do think if you are going
to bet the Chiefs, this is the time for them
to make the playoffs. They win this game, all of
a sudden, the path is there. They got a couple
jokers left on the schedule.
Speaker 10 (28:40):
Next up Denver Broncos.
Speaker 6 (28:42):
They enter this game against the who they play Packers
on a ten game win streak. Colin, But like New England,
they're home underdogs this weekend, which is a little surprising
to many, not us. In a recent radio appearance, Sean
Payton was asked about being a home dog on a
ten game win streak. Here's what he said about that.
Speaker 9 (29:03):
I don't really pay attention to that until I mean, look,
we know we're playing a good football team, and so
that's something that we have no control over. Yeah, we look,
We've We've got four tough opponents the next four weeks.
Three to the four of them we are at home.
You know, we're counting on our crowd this week. Our
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last home game with Kansas City was significant, and I'm
counting on it being even at a higher level. So, yeah,
we're playing a good team.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
It's interesting game.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
I mean, the Green Bay comes off highly emotional game
against their rival, the Bears.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
What if they're a.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
Little flat, that's possible, but an AFC team, some people are.
Speaker 6 (29:50):
Calling this not we but not us, but a potential
Super Bowl preview.
Speaker 10 (29:55):
Yeah, I don't see it. I'm curious.
Speaker 6 (29:58):
How do you think bo Knicks fairs against Mike Parsons
in company? Because remember they really only rushed four They
get to the quarterback and then in the background they've
got that zone, which is kind of confusing.
Speaker 10 (30:07):
Caleb did not make any mistakes, but you know he
was extra cautious. They have a good run game. I
don't know how Denver moves the ball easily.
Speaker 3 (30:14):
I think that's a fair question.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Scripted drive will be find some of the Bears moving
the ball at least twice. Was Caleb making an other
worldly play? Ken Bo Nicks to do you trust him
to do that on the.
Speaker 3 (30:23):
Road, He's not Caleb Williams.
Speaker 10 (30:25):
I agree.
Speaker 6 (30:25):
By the way, the Bears did not have to carry
longer than nine yards last week.
Speaker 4 (30:29):
No JK.
Speaker 10 (30:30):
Dobbins.
Speaker 6 (30:30):
Obviously they got the Meniki. I think this lines up
for the Packers.
Speaker 10 (30:35):
We'll see.
Speaker 6 (30:35):
We'll see final story. Colin, So, who's the best running
back in the NFL? I mean, I think you would
and I would have been this season. Gibbs two years ago,
Ce Mac last year, Barkley. This year, Gibbs has been
unbelievable over fifteen hundred yards from scrimmage, sixteen touchdowns, and
McVeigh knows that the Rams defense they're going to have
their hands full with Jamaier Gibbs.
Speaker 12 (30:57):
As an expo explosive of a player as there is
in this league. Every single time he touches it, you're like,
oh my gosh, he might score, and you know he's
He's unbelievable.
Speaker 4 (31:08):
In both phases.
Speaker 10 (31:08):
You see him compete in protection.
Speaker 12 (31:10):
You know there was a reason why he was so
highly regarded coming out of Bama, and so he is
a special, special player and they've got a.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
Lot of them.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
Yeah, I think the Lions defense without Branch, I think
they're going to struggle to make stops, I really do.
Speaker 10 (31:27):
What about the Rams? Can they contend Gibbs?
Speaker 4 (31:29):
Now?
Speaker 6 (31:29):
They shoote see Christian McCaffrey twice a year, so they're
very well versed in running backs out of the backfield.
Speaker 10 (31:35):
You know land Man's having.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
Im telling you right now those three moves Forbes at corner,
lambinet linebacker Devonte Adams. They didn't have a lot of
holes to begin with. This rock sensive line. I mean
they just kiddy concip line is is I think very good.
The two guards are great. The tackles I think right
tackle Habenstein probably is last year, can't really block the
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speed rush. But I Rams and they're gonna go get
a corner with one of their first picks.
Speaker 6 (32:04):
Oh listen, they got Atlanta's pick in the top ten
as of right now, remember from that trade that I
mean they are Listen, man, Rams are primed.
Speaker 10 (32:11):
They're in great shape.
Speaker 6 (32:13):
You know there's some chatter if Stafford wins a Super Bowl,
does he retire, then you could use future picks to
go get a quarterback, not necessarily Mendoza, but maybe someone
existing in the NFL. Who I floated CJ. Stroud a
few uh few months ago. Now the Texans have turned
things around. Remember Stroud was unhappy there. We just talked
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about job Burrow Begels won't want to give him up.
But it is fun to speculate and listen to the Rams.
Can you get us in their draft room so we
could figure out the sumber can give.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
Me in the draft room. Sometimes you're gonna.
Speaker 6 (32:48):
Leave the like the velvet rope, and I'm just left
on the outside with the unwashed masses.
Speaker 10 (32:53):
Just please let me in.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
Jay Mack with the news, Well.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
That's the news, and thanks for stopping by a Herd
Line news.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
Yeah, there is.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
We showed it yesterday. The top the current draft order.
They're they're the top twelve teams eight seven minimum eight
may want a quarterback. If Dante more stays in college,
and there's a likelihood he will will stay in college,
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supply is not meeting demand. Mendozo go, there's seven hundred
teams in a quarterback. So if Ty Simpson stays at Alabama,
which I don't. I don't see him as a first
round quarterback, So why not just make three four million
bucks at Alabama? So it is sometimes supply demand don't connect. Fascinating.
(33:43):
Go look right now at the current draft order top
twelve teams, because the Rams would like to first three
picks get a quarterback somewhere.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
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Speaker 6 (34:01):
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thought it was a real moment of clarity.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
You know.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
One of the reasons I bring Greg co cell on,
I think he makes everybody smarter, myself obviously, he makes
me smarter. And then the other thing is Greg doesn't
pick a side, he doesn't care. He's you know, he's
not telling you anything other than what the film says.
That's why I always ask him at the end, what's
the film say? And I think he nailed it on Buffalo.
(34:46):
I don't think they're that talented. Here's Greg co Sell.
Speaker 4 (34:50):
It'd be hard press to name an impact player that
they have on the defensive side of the ball. They
certainly don't have a receiving corps. If we look at
your Keir and say he's there receiver, he's clearly a
number three type. He's very good at that, but he's
a number three type. So they're really not that good
a football team. And I know that there's been a
lot of talk about, well, this is Josh Allen jeer
(35:11):
and if he doesn't make it, you know, that is
so silly. They're just not that good overall from a
talent perspective.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
Now, yeah, when you're paying your quarterback. I think Josh
Allen has the second biggest cap hit in the league.
It is harder. I'm not disagreeing with that at all.
But there are certain teams in this league, rams Lions, Eagles,
you just start looking at their talent, the Texans defense, Seattle,
(35:42):
a lot of my favorite gms. I think it's time
I said this earlier. It reminds me of when John
Elway was in Denver. Dan Reeves was a good coach.
They had to go to another level offensively. They got
Mike Shanahan and then they got Terrell Davis. This team
doesn't have a trustable wide receiver. How is that possible?
(36:02):
College football furnishes you with about twenty a year that
can play. I mean, how is it possible They don't have,
you know, a defensive guy you've got a scheme for,
so they can't stop the run. Some of this we
all blame quarterbacks and coaches. The front office has missed
on picks, and I understand it's hard. I just don't
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they don't pass the eye test. It's kind of the
opposite with Seattle totally past the eye test. We worry
about the quarterback in a big spot. With Buffalo love
the quarterback. Everything else is arguable. Bruce Feldman stopped by earlier.
I think Michigan is going to be fine for a
lot of reasons.
Speaker 3 (36:45):
It's one of.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
The top ten highest endowments. They got a lot of money.
A lot of smart people have gone there. They leave
and they come back to the games, and they write checks.
And the nil era Michigan is fine. I also think,
you know it's early. It's just sevenumber one eleventh. We
don't even bowl games haven't been played. The College Football
Playoff am I right, December eleventh, so the portal doesn't
(37:07):
open until January. I think Michigan's an all time blue
blood job. Here's Bruce Feldman.
Speaker 13 (37:13):
It's the bluest of blue blood jobs. Jim Harbow won
a national title, as we know, just a couple of
years ago. And there's a lot of good young talents,
starting with Bryce Underwood. They signed a top, you know,
one of the top running backs in the country.
Speaker 4 (37:27):
There's a lot of pieces to work with.
Speaker 13 (37:30):
If Penn State didn't hire Matt Campbell, Matt Campbell probably
would have been a really good candidate for this job.
I don't know what they missed out on. You're Michigan.
You're not going to hire Lane Kiffin anyway, right?
Speaker 1 (37:41):
And I said this, Eardi here with Sharan Moore, the bigger,
the legend, you replace, the wider the search has to
be to replace him. Belichick leaves New England, They're like,
let's just give it to a guy on staff. Disaster.
Harball leaves just give it to the co offensive coordinator,
the former line coach. That's not big enough. And I've
(38:03):
been watching this my entire life. Let's give it to
the coach's son. Let's give it to this, Let's give
it to that. Michigan football is a global search job.
I mean you you got to go after. To me,
I would go after Brian Dable and Kaylin de Boor.
I'd go and find a guy in the NFL that's
made the playoffs. Brian Dable may not be a college guy. Uh.
(38:24):
Here's Bruce Feldman on on earlier on the candidates.
Speaker 13 (38:28):
If they get knocked out early in the playoff, there's
going to be immense pressure mounting on Kaylen de Boor there.
Speaker 4 (38:36):
I'm not saying.
Speaker 13 (38:36):
He's gonna definitely bail, but it wouldn't surprise me. He
looked at and go, you know what, that might be
a better fit for me. Now, you know if like
if people are again and that's if he loses.
Speaker 4 (38:47):
Yeah it is.
Speaker 3 (38:48):
And I say this respectfully to Alabama and the SEC.
Speaker 4 (38:53):
The SEC.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
Ohio State's the only school outside of the SEC that
feels like the SEC. I mean, go to a message
board for the Buckeyes during a game. If they don't
pick up a first down in the second quarter, they
want the entire staff fired. They're nuts. The SEC is different,
you know. Maybe it's in the footprint. You don't have
(39:16):
as many pro sports teams and other things, but it's
just it takes years off you unless you dominate like Saban.
So Kalin de Bor to Alabama to me was a
great hire, but an interesting fit. He's a Midwest guy.
I would not leave Alabama for Penn State. I would
strongly consider leaving Alabama for Michigan. And Michigan's a different job.
(39:39):
They want you to win, but it's not SEC Ohio
State level. It's not that level of vitriol and pressure.
Speaker 3 (39:50):
And Kalen Bor is great.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
I mean, I'm telling you the history of college football,
going from Saban to Kaylin de Bor. You can't do
better than that. You can't.
Speaker 3 (39:58):
I mean Kalen de Boor.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
If you look at his career before Alabama, his winning
percentage was like eighty percent or higher. So I think
Michigan Michigan's great. You get the best of everything. There's money,
you don't have to worry about capital in the NIL era,
academics are strong, but not unreasonable. You can get good
players in the college. It's not Yale, but they're very strong.
(40:22):
It's a beautiful place to live. It's got an unbelievable brand.
Our next guest went there, Tom Brady. What did Tom major?
And I don't think I ever asked him that. Tom
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