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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 3 (00:26):
Welcome back Hour two. You know, I was thinking about this.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
One of the secret strengths of the NFL is that
you're not allowed to play in the NFL until after
you've completed that third year of college, and most guys
commit to four years of college before playing in the NFL.
What does that mean? You come in a man, not
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a kid. You come in ready to produce. You are
physically ready, emotionally ready. Many football players come in married,
some have a kid, a kid draw on the way.
You know. In baseball, you get drafted, you're not even
Bryce Harper. You go to the miners, you know, even
the all time great prospects. You're not starting the next
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day for the Yankees and driving in one hundred runs.
You go to basketball, you're drafting like eighteen, nineteen twenty
year old kids. You're Wemby is in year three now
they've injuries a minute restrictions, don't start him off the bench.
I mean, Lebron's like one of one that could be
productive year one and powerful. But in the NFL, you
bring a quarterback in like Bo Nicks with sixty one
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college starts. He's a grown up. It's like, oh yeah,
we don't miss Russell Wilson. The cap hit doesn't really
matter as long as you get the coach right. And
so I think that the NFL is a league of hope.
You can go from awful New England last year to
excellent New England this year nine months Commanders did it?
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Got the quarterback right right? You can't do that, Nuthers.
Nobody is The Wizards are not magically going to win
the NBA Finals next year, even Oklahoma City. It's taken
years of smart drafting and growth and development, and now
it looks like they could be a dynasty. So I
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saw this story yesterday and I don't think this is good.
The NFL has always been the league of hope. The
bottom's been small, but even the bottom teams you feel like,
you know, we are a quarterback away. USC starting quarterback
Jaden Mayava sixty four to two thirty, accurate, coachable, he's
gonna stay at USC and il money. Dante Moor at
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Oregon may do the same six four to two thirty.
You think you draft him late first, early second. With
Arizona Arizona, Cardinal fans wouldn't be all hyped up. So
when you look at the top of the draft order,
five of eleven teams Miami, Jets, Arizona, Cleveland, Vegas have
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to draft the quarterback. Absolutely there maybe only one quarterback
coming out of Note. I don't know what the Saints
you're going to do with Tyler Shuck. No idea, because
if you draft a college quarterback in that first or
second round, he's cheap for four or five years. You
can stack the roster. And that doesn't mean you're great,
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but you're optimistic and you're hopeful. A great example is
the New York Giants. Giants draft Jackson Dart they're two
and twelve, but Giant fans are like, we got our
guy number one pick, trade down, get six picks. Yet
Arizona's got another win. They're three and eleven, but it's
Kyler Murray and Jacoby Brissett.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
Hopeless. They actually have another win over the Giants.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
They're viewed as hopeless, and the strength of the NFL
has always been selling optimistically, you're just an inch away.
You can't sell that in baseball. Nobody in Pittsburgh thinks
or an inch away from beating the Dodgers.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
You can't do it. In the NBA.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
No reasonable fan thinks the Wizards are close. But Chicago's
a train wreck last year and now could win the
Super Bowl, same quarterback, just a better coach.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
And I think the nil at.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
The schools like Ohio State, USC, Oregon, maybe in Alabama
that can pay the big money. At Tennessee could pay
the big money and keep a guy in. And now
you could say, well next year, that means it'll be
a great quarterback class next year.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
You don't know that.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
We all thought cave Kladnik was going to be an
unbelievable player, or Nuss Smyer at LSU was going to
be an unbelievable player.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
You don't know.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
We all thought Arch Manning was one and done, he
was gonna big game, Ohio State win ten games. No,
he's coming back to So I've noticed this in the NFL.
Start looking at the draft order right now, most of
those teams, outside of the team that gets Mendoza from Indiana,
what are you selling to your fans? If Dante Moore
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came out, the Raiders could say, hey, baby, it is it.
They could stack their roster. Otherwise it's another year with Gino.
What are you gonna do? Or if if Jade Mayava
comes out, you look down there with the Dolphins and
you're like, yeah, we got little Tua. We just got
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a six four, two hundred and thirty pound guy from
usc Whether he's good or not, you can put butts
in the seats with that optimism. So the NIL this
Jade and Mayava, keep your If Dante Moore is like,
I'm standing Oregon, whoa, we got one first round quarterback
off a terrible quarterback class last year. So look at
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the bottom of the NFL right now. That one o'clock
window is unwatchable. By about week twelve, You're like, you're
just praying they put and now they're moving games to Saturday.
You're like, oh, yikes, the other one o'clock window is worse.
So I think the NFL has always been able to
sell hope more than any other league. Nil is a
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bit of a pain in the butt at least short
term for the NFL. With that, Julian Edelman is now
going to join US Live three Rings, super Bowl MVP.
All right, Mami's in his studio, he's got that podcast,
Games with Names, look at him, all right. So I
made the argument that the game Buffalo beat New England,
it was a bigger game for Buffalo. It mattered more
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for Buffalo. There was a psychology to it. If Drake
May and vrabel come in and beat you twice, that
sticks in the locker room.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
That sticks.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
So I don't think less of the Patriots losing. I
still think they're kind of looking for about four more
draft picks that can help their own line.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
How do you view it? As a former Patriot, I.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
Viewed that they're not there yet, still a young team,
something that we used to hear all the time. Can't
win until you keep from losing. And the second half
was an example of that. Look, they start out on fire,
go up twenty four to three, have a great game plan,
but you got to play your best football at the
end of the game at the end of the season,
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which they haven't done.
Speaker 5 (07:13):
There.
Speaker 4 (07:13):
They've got this defense where they you kind of anticipate
they're trying to be a bend but don't break team.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
But you can only do that if you're good in
the red area.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
And they're seventy five percent giving up touchdowns in the
red area, which is last, which I anticipate they'll clean
that up.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
When they get Milton Williams back.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
You know, the offense kind of ran out of plays
at the end of it.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Had a great game plan going into the beginning of
the game.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
But once again, you're out, you're left tackle, Campbell, you're out, Wilson,
you're left guard. How many plays can you come up
with in the second half after they're starting to adjust
to the adjustments. So young team, and I think this
can be a good thing for them. Look, it's hard
to win this in this league. You know, they just
rattled off a ten game winning streak. That's insanely impressed. Soon, Uh,
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it's good to kind of maybe recalibrate your brain in
your in your week of work going into these last
three four weeks because now this is the time where
you have to play your best football. So when they
get their guys back on the offense line, Milt Williams
on the defense, they're gonna get better. Splaying not playing
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was probably a huge problem because he's a huge spy
for Josh Allen that could.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Have been used. So I think this was really good
for them.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
But when I my initial reaction, they're not there yet.
Speaker 5 (08:35):
You know.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
We think because the NFL locker room is so big,
offense over there, defense over there, kickers over there, you're
separated that if you had a guy that was an
ego or a diva, you could hide him. But Seattle
moved off. DK Metcalf. They thought he was a bit maintenance.
JSN was kind of considered, you know, more low key,
more team, more team guy and cheaper. And so George Pickens,
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Mike Tomlin, who's very patient, moves off and he goes
to Dallas.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
He crushes.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
Now he's in a three game stretch where he's pouting, Hey,
and deck don't work, and you take me into a
locker room. Can one sort of and I don't hate
the word diva, but one kind of moody star player.
Can it really literally disrupt on the plane locker room?
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Is it that disruptive?
Speaker 4 (09:25):
It depends on your leadership of your team. I was
at a place where that stuff didn't happen if those guys,
if guys were going to come into the locker room
and be a holes and divas, they weren't.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
There very long.
Speaker 4 (09:40):
And then you know, they look at the best player
on the team, the highest paid player on the team,
Tom Brady, who works his tail off, who gets coach tard,
who does all the little things before, after, and during practice, Like,
you can't do that.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
You can't fool.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
A team and have a guy I think he can
come in and act a certain way when your best
players on your team don't act that way.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
So you know, when you.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
Have a great group of leaders that everyone believes in,
that of won, I don't think those things happen.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
So I don't know. Did I answer your question there
was that?
Speaker 1 (10:21):
Yeah? No, I think it's just like if you have
a strong family, you know, and one kid is you know.
I think the foundational part of the best teams in
this league you've got a non medaling owner, a very
strong front office, and of usually a coach who doesn't
put up a lot of crap. You can overcome a
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lot if you have those three things in order.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
Is that right?
Speaker 2 (10:44):
That is right?
Speaker 4 (10:45):
You need to have those three things in order and
if if you don't, you're just going to run into
a bunch of problems and it's going to become a distraction.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Now, you know in Dallas they handle.
Speaker 4 (10:59):
Distractions, those distractions, and so maybe they're they like that,
but I think I think.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
He assigned pickings for the right number. Uh.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
But ultimately those were eye opening moments because everyone balls
at the beginning of the year, right, That's that's you know,
you kind of have a head start on defenses.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
They don't have a beat on you. There's not enough film.
Speaker 4 (11:28):
And and you know, the great players that I always
played with, they always played their best football after Thanksgiving
going into the playoffs. You make your they would always say,
you make your you make your money in the regular season,
you make your name in that postseason. So look if
if if, if things are if stuff is hitting the
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fan and and you're you're poudy Audi like, do you
want to deal with that going forward when someone's getting
a lot more money.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
So I'm watching the I said, I think the dark
horse team to win it all is Houston. Their offense
is a little inconsistent, but their defense is so good.
You can see quarterbacks. They held Stafford in the Rams
and their all star offense to fourteen points. Take me
to the best defense that you ever you ever played,
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and it may have been a Ravens defense. Go to
the best defense in your career.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
Is it scheme? Is it talent?
Speaker 1 (12:28):
And take me to what it was like to play
against I mean, some of those Ravens teams had like
six guys you could argue that had Hall of Fame talent.
Speaker 4 (12:38):
I remember anytime we would play the Ravens, you know,
we would be leading the league or.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
In top five in offense, top five.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
In running, top five and everything. And I remember Josh
McDaniel's coming into the team meeting, you know, the offense
mean and say, hey, guys, I know we've been running
the ball very well right now, but we're not going
to run on the ball at all against these guys
because they will stop it. So we had to literally
change our complete game plan when we would play a
team like that, because A they were all on the
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same page. B they had superstar players on pretty much
all levels, and C.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
They like knew us, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
And they studied hard and they were It's just one
of those things when you have when you have superstar
players that study their tail off. I can remember like
ray Lewis calling out our play before we were running
it because of our formation. So like, yeah, this team
does give me, you know, going back to the Houston Texas,
they give me that vibe of like those those Giants
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teams that got hot at the end of the year
because those Giants teams always had really good defenses that kept.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Them in those games.
Speaker 4 (13:51):
And then Eli and offense would be kind of up
and down, and CJ Straub like, if he can get going,
we've seen it, and he's been playing a lot better
last couple weeks with Kaylee as their offensive coordinator. If
they can get things going, they're definitely that's a scary team.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
That's a very.
Speaker 4 (14:07):
Scary People don't realize we talk about their defensive line
so much. In their linebackers lasted and steely. They make
those guys so much better because they're sticky in that
coverage they got. They got premier players on all levels
and multiples on all levels.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
So you played with a quarterback where you had an
incredibly high ceiling who didn't throw picks. Donald you get
the ceiling, you get the picks. Peyton Manning, by the way,
from ninety eight to twenty fifteen led the NFL and picks.
Seven of the top eleven interception quarterbacks this year are
like Alan Maholmes, Bo Nicks. You know, they're like great quarterbacks.
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So I'm a Donald fan. He throws a lot of picks.
I loved Andrew. Look, he threw a lot of picks
when you were in New England. Were they always viewed
as a negative or did Belichick was there and Josh
McDaniel say, guys, push the ball down the field.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
Now you probably didn't have to tell Tom that.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
I don't look at like to me, interceptions are where
they're thrown Vo Nicks when trailing this year has sixteen
touchdowns and one picks one pick. He throws them early,
not late. How do you view interceptions? What does it
do psychologically? What does it do to an offense?
Speaker 4 (15:23):
I view interceptions like, Look, we were taught that everything
was about turnover margin. If you don't turn the ball
over and you get a takeaway, you're going to win.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Like we'd have all the numbers.
Speaker 4 (15:36):
Eighty six percent this you get a block like, so
we were all about the ball and there'd be times
where we were we were really too methodical to nickel
dime nickel dime, and we would have to go in
the game plan and say, hey, guys, we need to
take some shots because then everyone condenses down with interceptions
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and quarterbacks. I think it's a situational thing. By no means,
in the red area or on first down in the
red area, if you throw a pick, that is never acceptable.
Uh you know, we never threw picks. Tom wasn't a
pick guy. And you named a lot of great quarterbacks,
but a lot of those great quarterbacks haven't won Super
Bowls yet. Guys that take care of the football in
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no seriously, you take care of the football in the playoffs.
That's that's how you win because it all comes down
to the situational plays. So yeah, it's a it's a
double edged sword. You got guys that are trying to
push the ball down field. Situationally, it's third and long.
You're you know, you're you're in the the fringe like
or you're in that no man's land where you can't
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punt this at that's when you should try it. But
by no means, am I a fan of a quarterback
that throws a lot of picks.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
That's just That's.
Speaker 4 (16:48):
How I was in doctrine from the team I was
at that there's nothing more important than ball security, and
that was on all fastts. The quarterback throwing, you run
in the ball lineman blocking because if they let a
guy free and we get a sack fumble, that's there.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
Like nothing was more important than the ball.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
Finally, here's my super Bowl bubble. I do it.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
I always have about seven teams that I think can
make the super Bowl. It doesn't mean win it, but
they can make the super Bowl. And then I always
have two or three that have a fatal flaw. So
three teams I think are really good but have a
fatal flaw. One San Francisco defensively, it's smoking mirrors. They're
not good enough. Chargers O line's a mess. They'll get
both tackles back next year. And I don't think Philadelphia's
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offensive staff. The offense has been broken for fifteen straight weeks.
I don't think it's going to be solved. When you
see my Super Bowl bubble, Rams, Seahawks, Denver. So nothing
here bothers.
Speaker 4 (17:45):
You, Nothing here bothers me. Chargers like, it's been super
impressive with them, but they you cannot have an offense,
no offensive line, guys off the street blocking for Justin Herbert.
These guys got I always like Joe on Fox kickoff
that I love big men on as a quarterback.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
But they get hurt too. Look at this guy's got
a broken hand.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
He can only hit take so many hits you look
at you know, the Niners, they just I don't think
they have the guys on defense, but they've improven me
wrong all year.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
And then with everyone in the middle, I agree.
Speaker 4 (18:20):
I agree that the Bears could be a little maybe
in out. They do take the ball away on defense,
but they have jarring holes there and yeah, and they
is there going to be a situation where it's a
must pass situation on a.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
Third and medium to third and long?
Speaker 4 (18:38):
Can they make that play without you know, we haven't
really seen that. They've been dominating teams with their run games,
setting up their play action, and they have a coach
that knows how.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
To call plays and protect their team.
Speaker 4 (18:48):
So you know, they're kind of on that verge to
me and then everyone else. You know, the Patriots, how
are they going to react to this big loss that
they had? Are they going to be the same team
that we've seen of the last a few, you know,
last ten weeks going into the you know, the heat
of the season where it's the hardest to play.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
So I agree a lot with all your Super Bowl bubble.
Speaker 4 (19:10):
Teams Rams, you know that I think Seattle should be
a little more out. Yeah, I'm still scared of Sam Darnold.
Like the last time he played against the Rams. I
know he's got a big game tomorrow. You know, he
threw four picks. You know, you played another big night
game and he had he didn't play his best and
then you know he hasn't been playing his best last
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couple of weeks. He's been playing a team he threw
four picks on. You know, we'll see how that goes.
So this is the biggest year I think for parody
and the teams right now that scares me the most
is probably is probably Buffalo just because of that performance
last night and McDermott situationally, if Matt Milano and and
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his his defense is healthy, like, they'll give up a
lot of runs. And I told I pushed the panic
button on these guys a week four about this, but
Josh Allen, they they've given up like thirty points four
times and they've won their four and known those games
like it's pretty crazy.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
The Rams kind of scare me a little bit with.
Speaker 4 (20:12):
The well, you know, how are they going to react
when they get punched in the face, because they really
haven't been punched in the face that much this year.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
They're also a little a little shaky on the back end.
They're not great at corner.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
They were supposed to corners. Yeah, they didn't draft.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
The corner last year, which surprised everybody, and now they're
in you know, the whope Emmanuel Forbes kind of works out,
but they're not there. You can They've been exposed at
corner multiple times this year.
Speaker 4 (20:39):
They just have to play the game the right way,
which most of these teams are built that way. They
they're built all to play from ahead so that their
defenses can scheme up their coverage and scheme up some
games and blitzes. A lot of these teams are all
built where like they're trying to get that lead Furst,
then that's when they can open up their defenses.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
As always call it a front running team.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
Great seeing you by Julian Edelman, Fox Sports. All Right, Yeah,
I think.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
The Super Bowl bubble, you know, it's it's Houston was
a team I didn't have in a month ago. And
then you just keep watching over and over and over
and over, and you're like that defense is the best
unit in the sport. There there's no unit just I mean,
first of all, Bullock, they're so long. I said this
about a month ago. Turn the sound down and watch
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the Seahawks and the Texans don't don't have any bias
or any confirmation bias from announcers, or just watch them.
I say this all the time. When I used to
be in local TV, there was a news director I
worked with, and he said, when he looked over four
hundred tapes, he goes, the first thing I would do
is turn around. I would listen to the tape and
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not watch the person. I didn't want to be persuaded
by a traction like do you sound good? Do I
trust your voice? And I've always used that with football.
Sometimes turn the sound out, watch a team. Oh Darnold
throws a lot of picks, and you'll watch the Seahawks
for the soundown. You're like, God, it's the fastest roster
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in the league. Texans defense feels like that. It just
there's no holes, there's no openings.
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Speaker 9 (23:20):
All right, col let's get started with the Dallas Cowboys
and Jerry Jones. You know we talked about soft tanking earlier,
my Jets.
Speaker 8 (23:27):
You mentioned Miami, Washington.
Speaker 9 (23:29):
A lot of people are starting to bench your stars, right, Well,
Dallas has a one percent chance to make the playoffs.
Speaker 8 (23:35):
They need to win out and the Eagles need to
lose out. Obviously that's not happening.
Speaker 9 (23:38):
With three games left, Jerry Jones talked about the potential
of benching Dak in company for a better draft spot.
Speaker 5 (23:47):
Win is very very important in the NFL, and win
is important to me, and win does a lot of
positive things. I don't care when it happens, and we've
got we it to that mirror, and we owe it
certainly to our fans that we want to walk out
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there and be competitive. We will not try for a
draft position, we won't be looking at anything like that.
We'll be out there playing football, and we'll bring them
to play.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
Well.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Yeah, I think Dallas is if you look at their
remaining schedule, you can't ask Dak to tank, and you
also don't want to rest starters, so Dak gets hurt.
The truth is Dallas could win all three of these games,
or probably could lose two of them. So I think
Dallas is going to be fine. Dalla's going to win
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seven games and probably go you know, seven, nine and one.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
You know, And so I don't.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
Think for them, I don't work. They have two first
round picks. It doesn't matter if one's a six and
ones that they have two first round picks, they're fine.
They can those into other picks. You Rams have two
first round picks, Cleveland has two first round picks. If
you're Miami and you've got one and you need a quarterback,
Dallas doesn't.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
The Rams don't.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
So if you're Miami, that one pick becomes really crucial
that you get to six or seventh, not eleventh or twelve.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
That's different. Dallas is fine.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
Two first round picks can become extra fourth and fifth
round picks.
Speaker 8 (25:24):
I don't know. I was listening closely to Jerry.
Speaker 9 (25:26):
He sounds like he essentially was doing that interview in
the middle of like sitting on his front porch and
yelling at kids to get off his lawn. I mean,
what is he talking about, Hey, we got to look
ourselves in the mirror.
Speaker 8 (25:36):
We owe it to What are you talking about.
Speaker 9 (25:39):
You haven't been doing an NFC championship game and I
don't know what thirty years.
Speaker 8 (25:43):
Wake up, Jerry.
Speaker 9 (25:45):
If you get eliminated, sit your starters, start playing the
young guys.
Speaker 8 (25:48):
See who's going to make the roster next year?
Speaker 1 (25:50):
Well, and do that like the O line is already young. Like,
I don't want Dak to get hurt. I to me
in all so, Dak's healthy and there is some value. Again,
I don't think the Cowboys draft position doesn't is not.
They're not drafting a quarterback. They need an edge rusher.
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There's six they need to tackle. There's three in the
first round. They're gonna get a tackle. They're gonna get
an edge rusher. They may get a corner. I'm not
worried about Dallas going forward.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
Draft picks.
Speaker 8 (26:22):
Yeah, I don't know, man.
Speaker 9 (26:24):
I know they've had a good run at draft picks
in the first round. They've made some really good ones.
But you're not winning. I just don't see the point.
I don't want to get.
Speaker 8 (26:31):
Dak hurt for sure.
Speaker 9 (26:32):
All right, Next story, Colin, It's obviously Thursday night football,
the biggest game of the week, Rams traveling north to
Seattle for the number one seed in the NFC and
winning the division on the line. Obviously, all eyes are
on DeVante Adams, who had that hamstring injury. After the game,
McVeigh said he was optimistic about DeVante's status.
Speaker 8 (26:52):
Here's what he had to say.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
It's the hamstring. Like we saw.
Speaker 10 (26:56):
You know, the two guys that will be dnps that
you know we're gonna give them every chance that they've
got would be you know, Davonte with the hamstring, and
and Fisk you know, came out of the game with
a little bit of soreness in his ankle.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
Will take it all the.
Speaker 10 (27:07):
Way up the game time and see where they're at.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
So at this point, you're not ruling Davante out of
I'm not ruling anyone out.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
There's they are. They have an embarrassment of riches, they
really do. They're they're they're they're fine. They if you
watch them, Houston's defense and the Rams offense, those are
about the best units in the league.
Speaker 9 (27:28):
So uh, I was looking into my uh my good
puka source who gave me the puka is going to
be a star in the Rams. My person is saying
that DeVante is a long shot to play. They did
just get too two at well back last week. They
activated him, so they've got guys. I don't think they
forced Adams to You don't want to re injure the hamstring,
then you jeopardize January when it matters more. I think
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the Rams can win without DeVante Tolin. I will tell
you an injury that's not being talked about. Seattle's left
tackle Charles Cross, excellent player d NP at practice, got
injured last week. That is a significant injury. Nobody's talking
about this. Rams pressure got to Darnold in the last meeting.
He was flustered, bunch of picks. Do you want me
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to give you my bet on this game or wait
another day?
Speaker 3 (28:12):
I don't know?
Speaker 8 (28:13):
Yeah, what you I'm on the first half under.
Speaker 9 (28:15):
We talked yesterday about Seattle's slow starts the last three games,
and I look at this Rams defense.
Speaker 8 (28:20):
Neither coach is gonna want to make a mistake.
Speaker 9 (28:22):
I don't think we're gonna see a lot of downfield
stuff first half under for me in Ram Seattle, I
think we see a low scoring chess match, if you will.
Speaker 8 (28:28):
This is not going to be a shootout on Thursday night.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
How are you doing with your bookie this year? How
are you doing?
Speaker 9 (28:35):
You never know who's listening, So I don't want to
address that. But it's been a very good season. Not
as good as college football, but it's been a good season.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
Let's move on to the third story. Let's go to
college football.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
I don't have.
Speaker 9 (28:44):
Anything on this one. But this is a good, good rematch.
It's Alabama Oklahoma. The lines around pick them or one,
depending on what you're looking at.
Speaker 8 (28:54):
One interesting subplot is Kaylin de Bour.
Speaker 9 (28:58):
A lot of people are linking him to the Michigan job,
and calend Moore obviously kind of sort of shot those
down this week. But according to Deboor, all these rumors
they have not had an impact on the Alabama locker room.
Speaker 6 (29:12):
Mark guys, if there's been a meat distraction, I haven't
seen it, haven't felt it.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
And so I'm really proud of the way they've handled
whatever noise is out there.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
And again, we've probably all tea and long have dealt
with enough.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Noise to where pig what sfest surprised.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
Me on how they have it ones. Yeah, who do
you like in that game?
Speaker 1 (29:32):
It's last year they played and Oklahoma blew their doors off.
Speaker 8 (29:36):
Well wait, oh last year?
Speaker 9 (29:38):
Okay, yeah, so they played like a month ago and
Oklahoma did win. But if you look at the box
score and I watched like the condensed highlights on YouTube,
Alabama moved all over the field.
Speaker 8 (29:48):
They had like two hundred more yards Colin.
Speaker 9 (29:50):
The problem was interceptions and turnovers and that's what gave
Alabama to win. Alabama has no run game, so that's
the thing. There's no injury reports really in college football.
So Alabama's running back, the kid I think jam Miller's
his name. He had an injury and missed the Georgia
game and they had negative three yards rushing.
Speaker 8 (30:08):
Is he coming back? I don't know. There's no injury.
Speaker 9 (30:11):
Reports, so you're kind of flying blind here. Part of
me maybe just watches. I know that's not as fun.
Speaker 8 (30:19):
I don't. I would lean out.
Speaker 9 (30:20):
You know, I'm a Tye Simpson guy. You know, we
got to pick our guys. I like ty Simpson a
lot man. He did not look good against Georgia. He
gets a chance for redemption. I would lean Alabama.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Here have you?
Speaker 3 (30:35):
I think?
Speaker 9 (30:35):
So?
Speaker 3 (30:35):
I really like Caleen de bor as a coach. I
just awesome.
Speaker 9 (30:39):
And nobody to remember, sorry, nobody likes to bet on
teams they just saw get their butts kicked. So the
public is gravitating toward Oklahoma, who already beat them, and
Alabama just looked like crap two weeks ago.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
You know what, I think the best bet in the
college football playoff is jam you against Texas Tech.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
To win it all.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
Oh, they're going to be able to use in every
single game. Nobody believes in US. Nobody's talking about US.
Young players, young athletes, young human beings are much more
emotional than older players. Texas Tech to win it all.
I like that because they've got several NFL guys. They
went and bottom. The coach is good, No, but they're rested,
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they're healthy. Texas Tech to win it all. And because
it's the one really good team we give no chance
to because we've only seen them play BYU a couple
of times and BYU was okay.
Speaker 8 (31:29):
So interesting.
Speaker 9 (31:30):
So we know Alabama has we know their weaknesses. Oklahoma
quarterback offense, they've been up and down. Tell me Ohio
State what like? We love the defense. I don't know
that I trust the quarterback. We saw him in two
UY two colin Texas and Indiana. How'd the offense do
in those games?
Speaker 2 (31:47):
Not great?
Speaker 8 (31:47):
I mean he's a young kid.
Speaker 9 (31:49):
And then you look at Indiana and you think, like, okay, Indiana.
Speaker 8 (31:52):
But Texas Tech does not have an obvious weakness. They're
one loss to Arizona State.
Speaker 9 (31:57):
They didn't have their quarterback, So I don't think you
could be honest one with Texas Tech well Red.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
Raiders plus eight hundred to win it all, that's the bat.
That's the eight hundred.
Speaker 8 (32:07):
Ooh okay, now you're speaking my language, my friend.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
All right, jmck with the news.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
Well, that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
herd line.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
Man. When you have young people there tend to be
you know, more emotional to be able to use that
in the NFL playoffs, nobody believes in us. That kind
of raw raw stuff maybe works for a series, but
if you've got a bunch of young kids, nineteen twenty
year old kids, twenty one year old kids, and you're like, folks,
literally nobody is picking us in any of these games.
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That's that's jet fuel. And I only watched Texas Tech
play twice. I watched them play BYU both times. Wasn't
you know BYU could not move the ball in them
either time. But that's because Texas Tech Defense has got
dudes like like like Indiana, you can go buy really
good players, uh and get you can transform. That's why
I love about the nil. We never talk Texas Tech
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or Indiana in December. We never so all these people,
these fearmongers. Oh, and I Yel is gonna run Texas
Tech now is a top ten program because of that billionaire,
and Indiana is a top five team, maybe a top
two team in the country. So you know, everybody freaked out. Oh,
it's just gonna make the rich Richard. The opposite has happened.
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We've now had two programs emerge as powers because of
excellent anile collectives or programs.
Speaker 3 (33:31):
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Speaker 8 (33:46):
What's better than a Saturday?
Speaker 9 (33:47):
How about a Super Saturday with an NFL doubleheader. First
it's the Eagles versus the Commanders, then the Packers take
on the Bears for control of the NFC North. Pregame
coverage begins at four eastern UN five.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
You know, we were talking about an hour ago about
how the Warriors owner Joe lacob a email, a private
email leaked.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
A fan emailed them said.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
I'm really frustrated with this team, and Joe lacub came
out and said, he you think you're frustrated, And it wasn't.
It wasn't a subtle shot at Steve Kerr, but it
was sort of saying, it's really complicated, and so it's
interesting and it's instructive. I think the Kansas City Chiefs
right now have to some degree a Golden State Warrior
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issue is that I said, the Warriors have become a
conditional team, a circumstantial team. They'll acquire you if you
can play with Steph. Well, young guys can't. Kansas City?
Are they willing to acknowledge this version of the dynasty
is over? We need to rebuild. So the Warriors held
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on to Clay way too long. They should have blown
it up three years ago. Good are you four? Right
after that healthy win?
Speaker 3 (35:00):
Blow it up? They didn't do it. And I said
this a couple weeks ago.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
Who is the Kansas City Chiefs fourth best player? We
put this up now you know, Mahomes is won, Creed Humphrey,
Trent McDuffie, Tray Smith, the offensive lineman who had kind
of a down year, George carloftis.
Speaker 3 (35:19):
He is a big cap hit next year.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
I think he's a little overpaid, but I understand why
they got him. Compare that to an elite roster. The
Rams look at the Rams. Okay, if you look at
who the Rams top ten players are, I don't have
Brayden Frisk on that list. Fisk, excuse me. I have
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Byron Young ninth. He's got eleven sacks. I don't have
I mean, think about that. PoTA Ford being the eighth
best player on any team has had a great year.
I'm not out in Blake Koram, who was popped Fisk,
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who is very good, Young is ninth. Nate Lanman at
ten has been a revelation. Like nobody knew who he
was in Atlanta. He has been a revelation. That's an
elite roster. I don't know who the fourth best player
is on Kenzie Chiefs.
Speaker 3 (36:22):
I'm not blaming anybody.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
Rashid Rice is certainly talented, but really immature. Xavier Worthy
gadget guy offensive tackles. I think the left tackle from
Ohio State could be special. This is not a knock
on anybody, but if you start looking at Philadelphia's roster
and you start looking at the Lions roster and the
Rams roster, you're leaving people out of your top ten
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who would start for every team in the league, every
single team. So I think Kansas City has to accept,
blow up up a little bit and that, and then
and listen, the one thing I'll say is when they
moved off Tyreek Hill, they actually did fine. But the
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hardest position in Pro football to draft, and it's ironic
because it has the most talent is wide receiver. It
busts more than any first round UH position. Offensive line
bust the least. Receivers bust the most. Why personality. Not
a lot of old linemen have big personalities.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
Big egos.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
Receivers do, And so you get a lot of guys
in then they're just not team guys. They're they're me
guy over we guy. And so Kansas City's had a
draft because Tyreek Hill's not around, They've had to take
a lot of draft capital and draft wide receivers. And
I think some of hit sky Moore didn't. Rashi rice
Is don't trust him, but he's good. So it's I
(37:51):
just think Kansas City's where the Warriors were, and the
Warriors after that Celtics championship, should have just said, guys,
this is it, like we gotta make we gotta blow
it up. Remember that one against the Celtics, they were
in trouble. They go to Boston and Tatum and Jalen Brown,
Marcus Smart still young, kind of shocked everybody. They go
to Boston, they beat the Celtics on the East Coast
and you're like.
Speaker 3 (38:11):
Damn, they're gonna win another.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
That day.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
Flying after that championship, Joe Lacob, Steve Kerr at the
time they had a different GM. I think you have
to start over. But the Warriors have become conditional circumstantial. Well,
we're not moving off staff and we're not moving off Draymond. Well,
then you're just an old team that can't score in
the fast break. And in the West, forget it. You're
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not viable. In the East, you could maybe play your
way with Kurse coaching and the experience, you could play
your way into a conference championship. Maybe probably wouldn't beat
the Knicks. But I mean, Bob Meyer, great guy the GM.
Then it's Mike Dunleavy junior now. But Mike Bob Meyer
(38:58):
knew it was over. He was a smart one.
Speaker 3 (39:00):
He left.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
He's like, I don't want to be part of a
Steph Draymond Clay explosion.
Speaker 3 (39:06):
Here, I'm out. He got out of the building.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
And Steve Kerr in regards to that email, a private
email from Joe lacub Well, we're all frustrated.
Speaker 2 (39:19):
You know, Joe is frustrated.
Speaker 5 (39:20):
I'm frustrated, Steph Andrea, everybody's frustrated.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
And this is, you know, kind of how the league works.
And you know, I hate when people you.
Speaker 7 (39:28):
Know, are going to post private emails like I mean,
imagine if everyone's emails were just publicly posted out.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
How tough that would be to live our lives.
Speaker 1 (39:37):
Yeah, I mean they're a five hundred team, thirteen fourteen
or fourteen and thirteen fast break points, kaminga three straight
do not plays. I think that's where Kansas City's at.
I keep asking people retool or rebuild. And this is
not a criticize them, criticism of I think they have
a great GM is you start looking at the Rams roster,
the Lions roster, the Eagles roster, you know you may
(40:00):
have to part. I would never part with a great center.
I think those are the most underrated players in the league.
You may have to move Trent McDuffie, who I think
is excellent, But can you get trade McDuffie in a
couple of seconds. I mean, he is by the way
that I think the Rams would take that call. He
played at Washington West Coast kid Trent McDuffie's excellent. But
they've moved off corners before, and it didn't you know,
(40:22):
it didn't. It wasn't that punitive. But I guess you
and I agree on this is that they're not just
mahomes getting healthy away. They have averaged. They're like sixteenth
in the league the last three years with Andy Reid
in scoring. Okay, so you have the smartest play designer
(40:44):
of my life outside of Bill Walsh maybe, and you're
middle of the pack in a league where half the
teams have horrible quarterbacks.
Speaker 9 (40:51):
There's a saying hard choices, easy life, easy choices, hard life.
Speaker 8 (40:56):
It applies to like everything.
Speaker 9 (40:57):
If the Chiefs do like what you said and do
with the Warriors did well, we can't part with Clay
he's our guy. We gotta pay Draymond. We get they're
gonna have a really difficult stretch ahead. And I think
you're onto something with McDuffie. They did move off Tarvarius Ward,
who wanted money.
Speaker 8 (41:11):
They're fine. They moved off Snead he busted in Tennessee.
Speaker 3 (41:14):
Think about they're fine.
Speaker 9 (41:16):
I think McDuffie's gone I think Nick Bolton is the
name you gotta watch. Very good linebacker, but big cap
hit Colin Listen. Tough choices, man, you gotta make them.
Speaker 3 (41:26):
Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 1 (41:26):
And it also with Harbor and Peyton and the division.
I mean, the reason, the reason, if you look at
dying franchisers surviving a little longer, like New England, it
was because the Jets and the Dolphins and the Bills
were a mess when Josh Allen entered the division.
Speaker 3 (41:41):
Okay, everything changes
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Speaker 3 (00:26):
Welcome back Hour two. You know, I was thinking about this.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
One of the secret strengths of the NFL is that
you're not allowed to play in the NFL until after
you've completed that third year of college, and most guys
commit to four years of college before playing in the NFL.
What does that mean? You come in a man, not
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a kid. You come in ready to produce. You are
physically ready, emotionally ready. Many football players come in married,
some have a kid, a kid draw on the way.
You know. In baseball, you get drafted, you're not even
Bryce Harper. You go to the miners, you know, even
the all time great prospects. You're not starting the next
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day for the Yankees and driving in one hundred runs.
You go to basketball, you're drafting like eighteen, nineteen twenty
year old kids. You're Wemby is in year three now
they've injuries a minute restrictions, don't start him off the bench.
I mean, Lebron's like one of one that could be
productive year one and powerful. But in the NFL, you
bring a quarterback in like Bo Nicks with sixty one
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college starts. He's a grown up. It's like, oh yeah,
we don't miss Russell Wilson. The cap hit doesn't really
matter as long as you get the coach right. And
so I think that the NFL is a league of hope.
You can go from awful New England last year to
excellent New England this year nine months Commanders did it?
(01:56):
Got the quarterback right right? You can't do that, Nuthers.
Nobody is The Wizards are not magically going to win
the NBA Finals next year, even Oklahoma City. It's taken
years of smart drafting and growth and development, and now
it looks like they could be a dynasty. So I
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saw this story yesterday and I don't think this is good.
The NFL has always been the league of hope. The
bottom's been small, but even the bottom teams you feel like,
you know, we are a quarterback away. USC starting quarterback
Jaden Mayava sixty four to two thirty, accurate, coachable, he's
gonna stay at USC and il money. Dante Moor at
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Oregon may do the same six four to two thirty.
You think you draft him late first, early second. With
Arizona Arizona, Cardinal fans wouldn't be all hyped up. So
when you look at the top of the draft order,
five of eleven teams Miami, Jets, Arizona, Cleveland, Vegas have
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to draft the quarterback. Absolutely there maybe only one quarterback
coming out of Note. I don't know what the Saints
you're going to do with Tyler Shuck. No idea, because
if you draft a college quarterback in that first or
second round, he's cheap for four or five years. You
can stack the roster. And that doesn't mean you're great,
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but you're optimistic and you're hopeful. A great example is
the New York Giants. Giants draft Jackson Dart they're two
and twelve, but Giant fans are like, we got our
guy number one pick, trade down, get six picks. Yet
Arizona's got another win. They're three and eleven, but it's
Kyler Murray and Jacoby Brissett.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
Hopeless. They actually have another win over the Giants.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
They're viewed as hopeless, and the strength of the NFL
has always been selling optimistically, you're just an inch away.
You can't sell that in baseball. Nobody in Pittsburgh thinks
or an inch away from beating the Dodgers.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
You can't do it. In the NBA.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
No reasonable fan thinks the Wizards are close. But Chicago's
a train wreck last year and now could win the
Super Bowl, same quarterback, just a better coach.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
And I think the nil at.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
The schools like Ohio State, USC, Oregon, maybe in Alabama
that can pay the big money. At Tennessee could pay
the big money and keep a guy in. And now
you could say, well next year, that means it'll be
a great quarterback class next year.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
You don't know that.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
We all thought cave Kladnik was going to be an
unbelievable player, or Nuss Smyer at LSU was going to
be an unbelievable player.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
You don't know.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
We all thought Arch Manning was one and done, he
was gonna big game, Ohio State win ten games. No,
he's coming back to So I've noticed this in the NFL.
Start looking at the draft order right now, most of
those teams, outside of the team that gets Mendoza from Indiana,
what are you selling to your fans? If Dante Moore
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came out, the Raiders could say, hey, baby, it is it.
They could stack their roster. Otherwise it's another year with Gino.
What are you gonna do? Or if if Jade Mayava
comes out, you look down there with the Dolphins and
you're like, yeah, we got little Tua. We just got
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a six four, two hundred and thirty pound guy from
usc Whether he's good or not, you can put butts
in the seats with that optimism. So the NIL this
Jade and Mayava, keep your If Dante Moore is like,
I'm standing Oregon, whoa, we got one first round quarterback
off a terrible quarterback class last year. So look at
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the bottom of the NFL right now. That one o'clock
window is unwatchable. By about week twelve, You're like, you're
just praying they put and now they're moving games to Saturday.
You're like, oh, yikes, the other one o'clock window is worse.
So I think the NFL has always been able to
sell hope more than any other league. Nil is a
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bit of a pain in the butt at least short
term for the NFL. With that, Julian Edelman is now
going to join US Live three Rings, super Bowl MVP.
All right, Mami's in his studio, he's got that podcast,
Games with Names, look at him, all right. So I
made the argument that the game Buffalo beat New England,
it was a bigger game for Buffalo. It mattered more
(06:29):
for Buffalo. There was a psychology to it. If Drake
May and vrabel come in and beat you twice, that
sticks in the locker room.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
That sticks.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
So I don't think less of the Patriots losing. I
still think they're kind of looking for about four more
draft picks that can help their own line.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
How do you view it? As a former Patriot, I.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
Viewed that they're not there yet, still a young team,
something that we used to hear all the time. Can't
win until you keep from losing. And the second half
was an example of that. Look, they start out on fire,
go up twenty four to three, have a great game plan,
but you got to play your best football at the
end of the game at the end of the season,
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which they haven't done.
Speaker 5 (07:13):
There.
Speaker 4 (07:13):
They've got this defense where they you kind of anticipate
they're trying to be a bend but don't break team.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
But you can only do that if you're good in
the red area.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
And they're seventy five percent giving up touchdowns in the
red area, which is last, which I anticipate they'll clean
that up.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
When they get Milton Williams back.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
You know, the offense kind of ran out of plays
at the end of it.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Had a great game plan going into the beginning of
the game.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
But once again, you're out, you're left tackle, Campbell, you're out, Wilson,
you're left guard. How many plays can you come up
with in the second half after they're starting to adjust
to the adjustments. So young team, and I think this
can be a good thing for them. Look, it's hard
to win this in this league. You know, they just
rattled off a ten game winning streak. That's insanely impressed. Soon, Uh,
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it's good to kind of maybe recalibrate your brain in
your in your week of work going into these last
three four weeks because now this is the time where
you have to play your best football. So when they
get their guys back on the offense line, Milt Williams
on the defense, they're gonna get better. Splaying not playing
(08:22):
was probably a huge problem because he's a huge spy
for Josh Allen that could.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Have been used. So I think this was really good
for them.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
But when I my initial reaction, they're not there yet.
Speaker 5 (08:35):
You know.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
We think because the NFL locker room is so big,
offense over there, defense over there, kickers over there, you're
separated that if you had a guy that was an
ego or a diva, you could hide him. But Seattle
moved off. DK Metcalf. They thought he was a bit maintenance.
JSN was kind of considered, you know, more low key,
more team, more team guy and cheaper. And so George Pickens,
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Mike Tomlin, who's very patient, moves off and he goes
to Dallas.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
He crushes.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
Now he's in a three game stretch where he's pouting, Hey,
and deck don't work, and you take me into a
locker room. Can one sort of and I don't hate
the word diva, but one kind of moody star player.
Can it really literally disrupt on the plane locker room?
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Is it that disruptive?
Speaker 4 (09:25):
It depends on your leadership of your team. I was
at a place where that stuff didn't happen if those guys,
if guys were going to come into the locker room
and be a holes and divas, they weren't.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
There very long.
Speaker 4 (09:40):
And then you know, they look at the best player
on the team, the highest paid player on the team,
Tom Brady, who works his tail off, who gets coach tard,
who does all the little things before, after, and during practice, Like,
you can't do that.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
You can't fool.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
A team and have a guy I think he can
come in and act a certain way when your best
players on your team don't act that way.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
So you know, when you.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
Have a great group of leaders that everyone believes in,
that of won, I don't think those things happen.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
So I don't know. Did I answer your question there
was that?
Speaker 1 (10:21):
Yeah? No, I think it's just like if you have
a strong family, you know, and one kid is you know.
I think the foundational part of the best teams in
this league you've got a non medaling owner, a very
strong front office, and of usually a coach who doesn't
put up a lot of crap. You can overcome a
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lot if you have those three things in order.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
Is that right?
Speaker 2 (10:44):
That is right?
Speaker 4 (10:45):
You need to have those three things in order and
if if you don't, you're just going to run into
a bunch of problems and it's going to become a distraction.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Now, you know in Dallas they handle.
Speaker 4 (10:59):
Distractions, those distractions, and so maybe they're they like that,
but I think I think.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
He assigned pickings for the right number. Uh.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
But ultimately those were eye opening moments because everyone balls
at the beginning of the year, right, That's that's you know,
you kind of have a head start on defenses.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
They don't have a beat on you. There's not enough film.
Speaker 4 (11:28):
And and you know, the great players that I always
played with, they always played their best football after Thanksgiving
going into the playoffs. You make your they would always say,
you make your you make your money in the regular season,
you make your name in that postseason. So look if
if if, if things are if stuff is hitting the
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fan and and you're you're poudy Audi like, do you
want to deal with that going forward when someone's getting
a lot more money.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
So I'm watching the I said, I think the dark
horse team to win it all is Houston. Their offense
is a little inconsistent, but their defense is so good.
You can see quarterbacks. They held Stafford in the Rams
and their all star offense to fourteen points. Take me
to the best defense that you ever you ever played,
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and it may have been a Ravens defense. Go to
the best defense in your career.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
Is it scheme? Is it talent?
Speaker 1 (12:28):
And take me to what it was like to play
against I mean, some of those Ravens teams had like
six guys you could argue that had Hall of Fame talent.
Speaker 4 (12:38):
I remember anytime we would play the Ravens, you know,
we would be leading the league or.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
In top five in offense, top five.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
In running, top five and everything. And I remember Josh
McDaniel's coming into the team meeting, you know, the offense
mean and say, hey, guys, I know we've been running
the ball very well right now, but we're not going
to run on the ball at all against these guys
because they will stop it. So we had to literally
change our complete game plan when we would play a
team like that, because A they were all on the
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same page. B they had superstar players on pretty much
all levels, and C.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
They like knew us, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
And they studied hard and they were It's just one
of those things when you have when you have superstar
players that study their tail off. I can remember like
ray Lewis calling out our play before we were running
it because of our formation. So like, yeah, this team
does give me, you know, going back to the Houston Texas,
they give me that vibe of like those those Giants
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teams that got hot at the end of the year
because those Giants teams always had really good defenses that kept.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Them in those games.
Speaker 4 (13:51):
And then Eli and offense would be kind of up
and down, and CJ Straub like, if he can get going,
we've seen it, and he's been playing a lot better
last couple weeks with Kaylee as their offensive coordinator. If
they can get things going, they're definitely that's a scary team.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
That's a very.
Speaker 4 (14:07):
Scary People don't realize we talk about their defensive line
so much. In their linebackers lasted and steely. They make
those guys so much better because they're sticky in that
coverage they got. They got premier players on all levels
and multiples on all levels.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
So you played with a quarterback where you had an
incredibly high ceiling who didn't throw picks. Donald you get
the ceiling, you get the picks. Peyton Manning, by the way,
from ninety eight to twenty fifteen led the NFL and picks.
Seven of the top eleven interception quarterbacks this year are
like Alan Maholmes, Bo Nicks. You know, they're like great quarterbacks.
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So I'm a Donald fan. He throws a lot of picks.
I loved Andrew. Look, he threw a lot of picks
when you were in New England. Were they always viewed
as a negative or did Belichick was there and Josh
McDaniel say, guys, push the ball down the field.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
Now you probably didn't have to tell Tom that.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
I don't look at like to me, interceptions are where
they're thrown Vo Nicks when trailing this year has sixteen
touchdowns and one picks one pick. He throws them early,
not late. How do you view interceptions? What does it
do psychologically? What does it do to an offense?
Speaker 4 (15:23):
I view interceptions like, Look, we were taught that everything
was about turnover margin. If you don't turn the ball
over and you get a takeaway, you're going to win.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Like we'd have all the numbers.
Speaker 4 (15:36):
Eighty six percent this you get a block like, so
we were all about the ball and there'd be times
where we were we were really too methodical to nickel
dime nickel dime, and we would have to go in
the game plan and say, hey, guys, we need to
take some shots because then everyone condenses down with interceptions
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and quarterbacks. I think it's a situational thing. By no means,
in the red area or on first down in the
red area, if you throw a pick, that is never acceptable.
Uh you know, we never threw picks. Tom wasn't a
pick guy. And you named a lot of great quarterbacks,
but a lot of those great quarterbacks haven't won Super
Bowls yet. Guys that take care of the football in
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no seriously, you take care of the football in the playoffs.
That's that's how you win because it all comes down
to the situational plays. So yeah, it's a it's a
double edged sword. You got guys that are trying to
push the ball down field. Situationally, it's third and long.
You're you know, you're you're in the the fringe like
or you're in that no man's land where you can't
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punt this at that's when you should try it. But
by no means, am I a fan of a quarterback
that throws a lot of picks.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
That's just That's.
Speaker 4 (16:48):
How I was in doctrine from the team I was
at that there's nothing more important than ball security, and
that was on all fastts. The quarterback throwing, you run
in the ball lineman blocking because if they let a
guy free and we get a sack fumble, that's there.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
Like nothing was more important than the ball.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
Finally, here's my super Bowl bubble. I do it.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
I always have about seven teams that I think can
make the super Bowl. It doesn't mean win it, but
they can make the super Bowl. And then I always
have two or three that have a fatal flaw. So
three teams I think are really good but have a
fatal flaw. One San Francisco defensively, it's smoking mirrors. They're
not good enough. Chargers O line's a mess. They'll get
both tackles back next year. And I don't think Philadelphia's
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offensive staff. The offense has been broken for fifteen straight weeks.
I don't think it's going to be solved. When you
see my Super Bowl bubble, Rams, Seahawks, Denver. So nothing
here bothers.
Speaker 4 (17:45):
You, Nothing here bothers me. Chargers like, it's been super
impressive with them, but they you cannot have an offense,
no offensive line, guys off the street blocking for Justin Herbert.
These guys got I always like Joe on Fox kickoff
that I love big men on as a quarterback.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
But they get hurt too. Look at this guy's got
a broken hand.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
He can only hit take so many hits you look
at you know, the Niners, they just I don't think
they have the guys on defense, but they've improven me
wrong all year.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
And then with everyone in the middle, I agree.
Speaker 4 (18:20):
I agree that the Bears could be a little maybe
in out. They do take the ball away on defense,
but they have jarring holes there and yeah, and they
is there going to be a situation where it's a
must pass situation on a.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
Third and medium to third and long?
Speaker 4 (18:38):
Can they make that play without you know, we haven't
really seen that. They've been dominating teams with their run games,
setting up their play action, and they have a coach
that knows how.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
To call plays and protect their team.
Speaker 4 (18:48):
So you know, they're kind of on that verge to
me and then everyone else. You know, the Patriots, how
are they going to react to this big loss that
they had? Are they going to be the same team
that we've seen of the last a few, you know,
last ten weeks going into the you know, the heat
of the season where it's the hardest to play.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
So I agree a lot with all your Super Bowl bubble.
Speaker 4 (19:10):
Teams Rams, you know that I think Seattle should be
a little more out. Yeah, I'm still scared of Sam Darnold.
Like the last time he played against the Rams. I
know he's got a big game tomorrow. You know, he
threw four picks. You know, you played another big night
game and he had he didn't play his best and
then you know he hasn't been playing his best last
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couple of weeks. He's been playing a team he threw
four picks on. You know, we'll see how that goes.
So this is the biggest year I think for parody
and the teams right now that scares me the most
is probably is probably Buffalo just because of that performance
last night and McDermott situationally, if Matt Milano and and
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his his defense is healthy, like, they'll give up a
lot of runs. And I told I pushed the panic
button on these guys a week four about this, but
Josh Allen, they they've given up like thirty points four
times and they've won their four and known those games
like it's pretty crazy.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
The Rams kind of scare me a little bit with.
Speaker 4 (20:12):
The well, you know, how are they going to react
when they get punched in the face, because they really
haven't been punched in the face that much this year.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
They're also a little a little shaky on the back end.
They're not great at corner.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
They were supposed to corners. Yeah, they didn't draft.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
The corner last year, which surprised everybody, and now they're
in you know, the whope Emmanuel Forbes kind of works out,
but they're not there. You can They've been exposed at
corner multiple times this year.
Speaker 4 (20:39):
They just have to play the game the right way,
which most of these teams are built that way. They
they're built all to play from ahead so that their
defenses can scheme up their coverage and scheme up some
games and blitzes. A lot of these teams are all
built where like they're trying to get that lead Furst,
then that's when they can open up their defenses.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
As always call it a front running team.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
Great seeing you by Julian Edelman, Fox Sports. All Right, Yeah,
I think.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
The Super Bowl bubble, you know, it's it's Houston was
a team I didn't have in a month ago. And
then you just keep watching over and over and over
and over, and you're like that defense is the best
unit in the sport. There there's no unit just I mean,
first of all, Bullock, they're so long. I said this
about a month ago. Turn the sound down and watch
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the Seahawks and the Texans don't don't have any bias
or any confirmation bias from announcers, or just watch them.
I say this all the time. When I used to
be in local TV, there was a news director I
worked with, and he said, when he looked over four
hundred tapes, he goes, the first thing I would do
is turn around. I would listen to the tape and
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not watch the person. I didn't want to be persuaded
by a traction like do you sound good? Do I
trust your voice? And I've always used that with football.
Sometimes turn the sound out, watch a team. Oh Darnold
throws a lot of picks, and you'll watch the Seahawks
for the soundown. You're like, God, it's the fastest roster
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in the league. Texans defense feels like that. It just
there's no holes, there's no openings.
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Speaker 3 (23:03):
Tomorrow. Right, Ram Seahawks, that's gonna be a good one.
That is gonna be a great one.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Redemption time for one, Sam Darnold, here's j Mack with
the news.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Turn on the news. This is the Herdline News.
Speaker 9 (23:20):
All right, col let's get started with the Dallas Cowboys
and Jerry Jones. You know we talked about soft tanking earlier,
my Jets.
Speaker 8 (23:27):
You mentioned Miami, Washington.
Speaker 9 (23:29):
A lot of people are starting to bench your stars, right, Well,
Dallas has a one percent chance to make the playoffs.
Speaker 8 (23:35):
They need to win out and the Eagles need to
lose out. Obviously that's not happening.
Speaker 9 (23:38):
With three games left, Jerry Jones talked about the potential
of benching Dak in company for a better draft spot.
Speaker 5 (23:47):
Win is very very important in the NFL, and win
is important to me, and win does a lot of
positive things. I don't care when it happens, and we've
got we it to that mirror, and we owe it
certainly to our fans that we want to walk out
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there and be competitive. We will not try for a
draft position, we won't be looking at anything like that.
We'll be out there playing football, and we'll bring them
to play.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
Well.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Yeah, I think Dallas is if you look at their
remaining schedule, you can't ask Dak to tank, and you
also don't want to rest starters, so Dak gets hurt.
The truth is Dallas could win all three of these games,
or probably could lose two of them. So I think
Dallas is going to be fine. Dalla's going to win
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seven games and probably go you know, seven, nine and one.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
You know, And so I don't.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
Think for them, I don't work. They have two first
round picks. It doesn't matter if one's a six and
ones that they have two first round picks, they're fine.
They can those into other picks. You Rams have two
first round picks, Cleveland has two first round picks. If
you're Miami and you've got one and you need a quarterback,
Dallas doesn't.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
The Rams don't.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
So if you're Miami, that one pick becomes really crucial
that you get to six or seventh, not eleventh or twelve.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
That's different. Dallas is fine.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
Two first round picks can become extra fourth and fifth
round picks.
Speaker 8 (25:24):
I don't know. I was listening closely to Jerry.
Speaker 9 (25:26):
He sounds like he essentially was doing that interview in
the middle of like sitting on his front porch and
yelling at kids to get off his lawn. I mean,
what is he talking about, Hey, we got to look
ourselves in the mirror.
Speaker 8 (25:36):
We owe it to What are you talking about.
Speaker 9 (25:39):
You haven't been doing an NFC championship game and I
don't know what thirty years.
Speaker 8 (25:43):
Wake up, Jerry.
Speaker 9 (25:45):
If you get eliminated, sit your starters, start playing the
young guys.
Speaker 8 (25:48):
See who's going to make the roster next year?
Speaker 1 (25:50):
Well, and do that like the O line is already young. Like,
I don't want Dak to get hurt. I to me
in all so, Dak's healthy and there is some value. Again,
I don't think the Cowboys draft position doesn't is not.
They're not drafting a quarterback. They need an edge rusher.
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There's six they need to tackle. There's three in the
first round. They're gonna get a tackle. They're gonna get
an edge rusher. They may get a corner. I'm not
worried about Dallas going forward.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
Draft picks.
Speaker 8 (26:22):
Yeah, I don't know, man.
Speaker 9 (26:24):
I know they've had a good run at draft picks
in the first round. They've made some really good ones.
But you're not winning. I just don't see the point.
I don't want to get.
Speaker 8 (26:31):
Dak hurt for sure.
Speaker 9 (26:32):
All right, Next story, Colin, It's obviously Thursday night football,
the biggest game of the week, Rams traveling north to
Seattle for the number one seed in the NFC and
winning the division on the line. Obviously, all eyes are
on DeVante Adams, who had that hamstring injury. After the game,
McVeigh said he was optimistic about DeVante's status.
Speaker 8 (26:52):
Here's what he had to say.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
It's the hamstring. Like we saw.
Speaker 10 (26:56):
You know, the two guys that will be dnps that
you know we're gonna give them every chance that they've
got would be you know, Davonte with the hamstring, and
and Fisk you know, came out of the game with
a little bit of soreness in his ankle.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
Will take it all the.
Speaker 10 (27:07):
Way up the game time and see where they're at.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
So at this point, you're not ruling Davante out of
I'm not ruling anyone out.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
There's they are. They have an embarrassment of riches, they
really do. They're they're they're they're fine. They if you
watch them, Houston's defense and the Rams offense, those are
about the best units in the league.
Speaker 9 (27:28):
So uh, I was looking into my uh my good
puka source who gave me the puka is going to
be a star in the Rams. My person is saying
that DeVante is a long shot to play. They did
just get too two at well back last week. They
activated him, so they've got guys. I don't think they
forced Adams to You don't want to re injure the hamstring,
then you jeopardize January when it matters more. I think
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the Rams can win without DeVante Tolin. I will tell
you an injury that's not being talked about. Seattle's left
tackle Charles Cross, excellent player d NP at practice, got
injured last week. That is a significant injury. Nobody's talking
about this. Rams pressure got to Darnold in the last meeting.
He was flustered, bunch of picks. Do you want me
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to give you my bet on this game or wait
another day?
Speaker 3 (28:12):
I don't know?
Speaker 8 (28:13):
Yeah, what you I'm on the first half under.
Speaker 9 (28:15):
We talked yesterday about Seattle's slow starts the last three games,
and I look at this Rams defense.
Speaker 8 (28:20):
Neither coach is gonna want to make a mistake.
Speaker 9 (28:22):
I don't think we're gonna see a lot of downfield
stuff first half under for me in Ram Seattle, I
think we see a low scoring chess match, if you will.
Speaker 8 (28:28):
This is not going to be a shootout on Thursday night.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
How are you doing with your bookie this year? How
are you doing?
Speaker 9 (28:35):
You never know who's listening, So I don't want to
address that. But it's been a very good season. Not
as good as college football, but it's been a good season.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
Let's move on to the third story. Let's go to
college football.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
I don't have.
Speaker 9 (28:44):
Anything on this one. But this is a good, good rematch.
It's Alabama Oklahoma. The lines around pick them or one,
depending on what you're looking at.
Speaker 8 (28:54):
One interesting subplot is Kaylin de Bour.
Speaker 9 (28:58):
A lot of people are linking him to the Michigan job,
and calend Moore obviously kind of sort of shot those
down this week. But according to Deboor, all these rumors
they have not had an impact on the Alabama locker room.
Speaker 6 (29:12):
Mark guys, if there's been a meat distraction, I haven't
seen it, haven't felt it.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
And so I'm really proud of the way they've handled
whatever noise is out there.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
And again, we've probably all tea and long have dealt
with enough.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Noise to where pig what sfest surprised.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
Me on how they have it ones. Yeah, who do
you like in that game?
Speaker 1 (29:32):
It's last year they played and Oklahoma blew their doors off.
Speaker 8 (29:36):
Well wait, oh last year?
Speaker 9 (29:38):
Okay, yeah, so they played like a month ago and
Oklahoma did win. But if you look at the box
score and I watched like the condensed highlights on YouTube,
Alabama moved all over the field.
Speaker 8 (29:48):
They had like two hundred more yards Colin.
Speaker 9 (29:50):
The problem was interceptions and turnovers and that's what gave
Alabama to win. Alabama has no run game, so that's
the thing. There's no injury reports really in college football.
So Alabama's running back, the kid I think jam Miller's
his name. He had an injury and missed the Georgia
game and they had negative three yards rushing.
Speaker 8 (30:08):
Is he coming back? I don't know. There's no injury.
Speaker 9 (30:11):
Reports, so you're kind of flying blind here. Part of
me maybe just watches. I know that's not as fun.
Speaker 8 (30:19):
I don't. I would lean out.
Speaker 9 (30:20):
You know, I'm a Tye Simpson guy. You know, we
got to pick our guys. I like ty Simpson a
lot man. He did not look good against Georgia. He
gets a chance for redemption. I would lean Alabama.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Here have you?
Speaker 3 (30:35):
I think?
Speaker 9 (30:35):
So?
Speaker 3 (30:35):
I really like Caleen de bor as a coach. I
just awesome.
Speaker 9 (30:39):
And nobody to remember, sorry, nobody likes to bet on
teams they just saw get their butts kicked. So the
public is gravitating toward Oklahoma, who already beat them, and
Alabama just looked like crap two weeks ago.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
You know what, I think the best bet in the
college football playoff is jam you against Texas Tech.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
To win it all.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
Oh, they're going to be able to use in every
single game. Nobody believes in US. Nobody's talking about US.
Young players, young athletes, young human beings are much more
emotional than older players. Texas Tech to win it all.
I like that because they've got several NFL guys. They
went and bottom. The coach is good, No, but they're rested,
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they're healthy. Texas Tech to win it all. And because
it's the one really good team we give no chance
to because we've only seen them play BYU a couple
of times and BYU was okay.
Speaker 8 (31:29):
So interesting.
Speaker 9 (31:30):
So we know Alabama has we know their weaknesses. Oklahoma
quarterback offense, they've been up and down. Tell me Ohio
State what like? We love the defense. I don't know
that I trust the quarterback. We saw him in two
UY two colin Texas and Indiana. How'd the offense do
in those games?
Speaker 2 (31:47):
Not great?
Speaker 8 (31:47):
I mean he's a young kid.
Speaker 9 (31:49):
And then you look at Indiana and you think, like, okay, Indiana.
Speaker 8 (31:52):
But Texas Tech does not have an obvious weakness. They're
one loss to Arizona State.
Speaker 9 (31:57):
They didn't have their quarterback, So I don't think you
could be honest one with Texas Tech well Red.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
Raiders plus eight hundred to win it all, that's the bat.
That's the eight hundred.
Speaker 8 (32:07):
Ooh okay, now you're speaking my language, my friend.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
All right, jmck with the news.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
Well, that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
herd line.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
Man. When you have young people there tend to be
you know, more emotional to be able to use that
in the NFL playoffs, nobody believes in us. That kind
of raw raw stuff maybe works for a series, but
if you've got a bunch of young kids, nineteen twenty
year old kids, twenty one year old kids, and you're like, folks,
literally nobody is picking us in any of these games.
(32:39):
That's that's jet fuel. And I only watched Texas Tech
play twice. I watched them play BYU both times. Wasn't
you know BYU could not move the ball in them
either time. But that's because Texas Tech Defense has got
dudes like like like Indiana, you can go buy really
good players, uh and get you can transform. That's why
I love about the nil. We never talk Texas Tech
(33:01):
or Indiana in December. We never so all these people,
these fearmongers. Oh, and I Yel is gonna run Texas
Tech now is a top ten program because of that billionaire,
and Indiana is a top five team, maybe a top
two team in the country. So you know, everybody freaked out. Oh,
it's just gonna make the rich Richard. The opposite has happened.
(33:22):
We've now had two programs emerge as powers because of
excellent anile collectives or programs.
Speaker 3 (33:31):
It's the hurd.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
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Speaker 8 (33:46):
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Speaker 9 (33:47):
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Speaker 1 (34:01):
You know, we were talking about an hour ago about
how the Warriors owner Joe lacob a email, a private
email leaked.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
A fan emailed them said.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
I'm really frustrated with this team, and Joe lacub came
out and said, he you think you're frustrated, And it wasn't.
It wasn't a subtle shot at Steve Kerr, but it
was sort of saying, it's really complicated, and so it's
interesting and it's instructive. I think the Kansas City Chiefs
right now have to some degree a Golden State Warrior
(34:31):
issue is that I said, the Warriors have become a
conditional team, a circumstantial team. They'll acquire you if you
can play with Steph. Well, young guys can't. Kansas City?
Are they willing to acknowledge this version of the dynasty
is over? We need to rebuild. So the Warriors held
(34:52):
on to Clay way too long. They should have blown
it up three years ago. Good are you four? Right
after that healthy win?
Speaker 3 (35:00):
Blow it up? They didn't do it. And I said
this a couple weeks ago.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
Who is the Kansas City Chiefs fourth best player? We
put this up now you know, Mahomes is won, Creed Humphrey,
Trent McDuffie, Tray Smith, the offensive lineman who had kind
of a down year, George carloftis.
Speaker 3 (35:19):
He is a big cap hit next year.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
I think he's a little overpaid, but I understand why
they got him. Compare that to an elite roster. The
Rams look at the Rams. Okay, if you look at
who the Rams top ten players are, I don't have
Brayden Frisk on that list. Fisk, excuse me. I have
(35:43):
Byron Young ninth. He's got eleven sacks. I don't have
I mean, think about that. PoTA Ford being the eighth
best player on any team has had a great year.
I'm not out in Blake Koram, who was popped Fisk,
(36:04):
who is very good, Young is ninth. Nate Lanman at
ten has been a revelation. Like nobody knew who he
was in Atlanta. He has been a revelation. That's an
elite roster. I don't know who the fourth best player
is on Kenzie Chiefs.
Speaker 3 (36:22):
I'm not blaming anybody.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
Rashid Rice is certainly talented, but really immature. Xavier Worthy
gadget guy offensive tackles. I think the left tackle from
Ohio State could be special. This is not a knock
on anybody, but if you start looking at Philadelphia's roster
and you start looking at the Lions roster and the
Rams roster, you're leaving people out of your top ten
(36:48):
who would start for every team in the league, every
single team. So I think Kansas City has to accept,
blow up up a little bit and that, and then
and listen, the one thing I'll say is when they
moved off Tyreek Hill, they actually did fine. But the
(37:11):
hardest position in Pro football to draft, and it's ironic
because it has the most talent is wide receiver. It
busts more than any first round UH position. Offensive line
bust the least. Receivers bust the most. Why personality. Not
a lot of old linemen have big personalities.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
Big egos.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
Receivers do, And so you get a lot of guys
in then they're just not team guys. They're they're me
guy over we guy. And so Kansas City's had a
draft because Tyreek Hill's not around, They've had to take
a lot of draft capital and draft wide receivers. And
I think some of hit sky Moore didn't. Rashi rice
Is don't trust him, but he's good. So it's I
(37:51):
just think Kansas City's where the Warriors were, and the
Warriors after that Celtics championship, should have just said, guys,
this is it, like we gotta make we gotta blow
it up. Remember that one against the Celtics, they were
in trouble. They go to Boston and Tatum and Jalen Brown,
Marcus Smart still young, kind of shocked everybody. They go
to Boston, they beat the Celtics on the East Coast
and you're like.
Speaker 3 (38:11):
Damn, they're gonna win another.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
That day.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
Flying after that championship, Joe Lacob, Steve Kerr at the
time they had a different GM. I think you have
to start over. But the Warriors have become conditional circumstantial. Well,
we're not moving off staff and we're not moving off Draymond. Well,
then you're just an old team that can't score in
the fast break. And in the West, forget it. You're
(38:36):
not viable. In the East, you could maybe play your
way with Kurse coaching and the experience, you could play
your way into a conference championship. Maybe probably wouldn't beat
the Knicks. But I mean, Bob Meyer, great guy the GM.
Then it's Mike Dunleavy junior now. But Mike Bob Meyer
(38:58):
knew it was over. He was a smart one.
Speaker 3 (39:00):
He left.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
He's like, I don't want to be part of a
Steph Draymond Clay explosion.
Speaker 3 (39:06):
Here, I'm out. He got out of the building.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
And Steve Kerr in regards to that email, a private
email from Joe lacub Well, we're all frustrated.
Speaker 2 (39:19):
You know, Joe is frustrated.
Speaker 5 (39:20):
I'm frustrated, Steph Andrea, everybody's frustrated.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
And this is, you know, kind of how the league works.
And you know, I hate when people you.
Speaker 7 (39:28):
Know, are going to post private emails like I mean,
imagine if everyone's emails were just publicly posted out.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
How tough that would be to live our lives.
Speaker 1 (39:37):
Yeah, I mean they're a five hundred team, thirteen fourteen
or fourteen and thirteen fast break points, kaminga three straight
do not plays. I think that's where Kansas City's at.
I keep asking people retool or rebuild. And this is
not a criticize them, criticism of I think they have
a great GM is you start looking at the Rams roster,
the Lions roster, the Eagles roster, you know you may
(40:00):
have to part. I would never part with a great center.
I think those are the most underrated players in the league.
You may have to move Trent McDuffie, who I think
is excellent, But can you get trade McDuffie in a
couple of seconds. I mean, he is by the way
that I think the Rams would take that call. He
played at Washington West Coast kid Trent McDuffie's excellent. But
they've moved off corners before, and it didn't you know,
(40:22):
it didn't. It wasn't that punitive. But I guess you
and I agree on this is that they're not just
mahomes getting healthy away. They have averaged. They're like sixteenth
in the league the last three years with Andy Reid
in scoring. Okay, so you have the smartest play designer
(40:44):
of my life outside of Bill Walsh maybe, and you're
middle of the pack in a league where half the
teams have horrible quarterbacks.
Speaker 9 (40:51):
There's a saying hard choices, easy life, easy choices, hard life.
Speaker 8 (40:56):
It applies to like everything.
Speaker 9 (40:57):
If the Chiefs do like what you said and do
with the Warriors did well, we can't part with Clay
he's our guy. We gotta pay Draymond. We get they're
gonna have a really difficult stretch ahead. And I think
you're onto something with McDuffie. They did move off Tarvarius Ward,
who wanted money.
Speaker 8 (41:11):
They're fine. They moved off Snead he busted in Tennessee.
Speaker 3 (41:14):
Think about they're fine.
Speaker 9 (41:16):
I think McDuffie's gone I think Nick Bolton is the
name you gotta watch. Very good linebacker, but big cap
hit Colin Listen. Tough choices, man, you gotta make them.
Speaker 3 (41:26):
Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 1 (41:26):
And it also with Harbor and Peyton and the division.
I mean, the reason, the reason, if you look at
dying franchisers surviving a little longer, like New England, it
was because the Jets and the Dolphins and the Bills
were a mess when Josh Allen entered the division.
Speaker 3 (41:41):
Okay, everything changes
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