Colin unveils his latest Herd Hierarchy ranking the top 10 teams in the NFL with Josh Allen and the Bills not making the cut
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
All Right, here we go, it's our two. It is
great to have you back. I'm not in the greatest mood.
The Seattle Mariners for most of my life have been
knocking on the door of history in sports, and a
lot of times nobody lets them in. And last night
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I was just defending major DG managers like they get
eaten alive. Dave Roberts is always getting criticized. But we've
muted the power of major dig managers, right. The analytics
guys upstairs make a lot of the calls. They don't
get as much money as they used to. I mean,
think about like when I grew up with like Whitey Herzog,
and you know these guys had Billy Martin, I big personalities,
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Earl Weaver. It was like they were the most important
guy in the entire organization. That's not the way it
is anymore. So I tend to defend major dig managers.
But I did think Dan Wilson, I mean, listen, he
pitched to George Springer. I would have put him on base,
but Vlad Guerrero was coming up in a couple of batters.
It wasn't ideal. I would have gone with Munno's because
to me, that George Springer at bat that inning was
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the biggest inning in Mari in her history.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
That was the biggest inning and mayor in her history.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
If you can get out of that one, and you
can get past Springer, and you can get past Flad easier,
part of the lineup coming, Munhos is your guy.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
So you know whatever, you.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Can second guest managers all the time. I tend to
defend major dig managers because I don't have the pull
and the leverage they used to.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
But that was dicey.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
But again, Dan Wilson, a former catcher, super smart guy,
knows it better than anybody else. But that was something else.
All right, here we go, It is Tuesday. Here's the
herd hierarchy.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Heard hierarchy. Now go the top ten NFL teams according
to College Number ten.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
I put him in this morning.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
I bounced the Seahawks out because after those four giveaways,
I just can't trust Seattle. Seattle's eleven. I put New
England in at ten. They don't beat themselves. Four straight wins,
top ten offense, top five scoring defense. Mike Vrabel. This
was our prediction, the team that would double their win total.
We said it before the season. We had them as
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a playoff team. Their remaining schedule is the easiest in
the league. Six straight games with one hundred plus passer rating.
I like Drake may I didn't think he would be
this good this quick. They feel like a one and
done playoff team that's winning a lot on energy and
focus and enthusiasm and youth. But I put them at
ten and bounce Seattle out. Number nine the Niners. I
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think Kyle Shanahan's in the running for coach of the year.
No Brock Purty, Brandon I, Ricky Piersoll, George Kittle, Fred Warner,
Nick Bosa. But Robert Sala has been a monster as
a defensive coordinator. They have the number seven scoring defense.
They are very Christian McCaffrey dependent. Thirty touches or thirty
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one touches don't love that, but they're kind of trapped.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
Six of their next seven.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Games against very weak opponents. They should be favored in
most of them, but I think Mac Jones and brought
Purty feels a little bit like a wash to me.
One's expensive ones kind of free, but I think you
got to put them in the list. Nobody's been as
resourceful as Kyle Shanahan and the Niners.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
I put him at nine.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Number eight Green Bay.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
They keep leaving me wanting more, but they are undefeated
when scoring more than ten points this season. I just
feel like I want more, but they've been a little
banged up at wide receiversh Jacobs three straight games with
multiple touchdowns.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
Jordan loved this year, and nobody likes Jordan Love.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
And he's completing sixty nine percent of his throws and
one hundred in passer rating. You can't find anybody that
likes it. Their run defense is excellent. Micah is the
perfect closer for a team that often leads in the fourth.
I have Green Bay eight. I think they will get better.
They're still really young. Number seven. I still like the
Bucks a lot. I mean, they were playing, you know,
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living dangerously, coming from behind and that was a buzz saw.
They ran into last night for their five wins one
score games, but their defense multiple games with takeaways. I
just think they got playmakers, and again, like the Niners,
they've been incredibly resourceful. I've always thought Todd Bowles is
underrated because he didn't really have a profile. Probably the
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best blitzing coach in the NFL, Baker Igbuka. I think
they're going to be fine when they get cleaned up
and healthier, but I wouldn't drop him too far. I
have Tampa number six. I love Denver's roster. I don't
think their defense has been as good as I thought,
but they lead the NFL and sack deferential. They have
the number one third down defense and the number one
red zone defense, and yet I feel like they should
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be better Bonicks when trailing this season a very Mahomes
like stat eleven touchdowns, no pick and a one h
two passer rating, and obviously a great head coach. Denver
at six number five Detroit. Detroit's run game jumps off
the TV set. They're five and one over their last
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six games, and they got rocked by the best team
easily in the league, Kansas City. Their defense, takes the
ball away, gets to the quarterback. What I like about
Detroit is they get leads and then they get sacks,
and that's the way to win in the postseason. They're
much better obviously at home. But I have Detroit Tampa
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last night at five, number four, tipe it into the
Colts for a month. They should have beaten the Rams,
best outright record in the league at six and one.
They're only lost in the Rams, and they outplayed them.
Great offensive line, playmakers at running back, tight end, wide receiver,
excellent head coach, most efficient offense in the NFL, most
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tied for the most touchdowns. I mean Daniel Jones. I
mean it's like Dak We can say, well, he's not
elite while I'm watching, and it looks elite to me.
They've scored on sixty three percent of their drives, and
I think they're absolutely for real. I've always said my
final four teams are teams I think that can get
to a Super Bowl. To have the Colts at four,
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number three Rams, it's not really just Stafford and McVeigh.
That defense is suffocating.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
Now.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
It may not be suffocating if they faced them all
homes or you know again, it may not be suffocating
against the great quarterbacks, but men Trevor Lawrence, good luck.
They lead the NFL in big play, no Puka, no problem,
number two scoring defense, number two in sacks, and remember
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their defense is young. These guys, a lot of them
haven't even hit their prime. Rams at three, number two,
I don't even know if I like Philadelphia. I honestly,
they can't run the ball anymore. They don't get to
the quarterback, but they have I mean, let's be honest.
Jalen Hurts wins a lot. Davonte Smith and AJ Brown
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when they can't run, can take the top off. They're
a hard team to defend, and they're a hard team
to figure out. They don't get to the quarterback. They've
been out gained in every game. There's a French term
for beautiful yet ugly. I think whatever that term is,
that's the Eagles.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
But I love their.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
Roster, and I keep just saying they'll.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
Figure it out. But I have them at two, number one.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
And I think they get smoked if they played Kansas City.
I said it a month ago. This is as good
as Kansasity. He's been Hollywood Brown, Juju Worthy, Rise, Travis Kelcey.
I mean, keep your eye on bershard Smith. The offensive
line hasn't been totally healthy. I think Mahomes is playing
at an absurd level. I think this is as good.
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I'm serious here. I think this team I do wonder
at the trade deadline if they would go find like
a situational pass rusher maybe. And they're not a great
run team. They are so deep now at wide receiver.
Here you go my top ten Seattle eleven. I had
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him in last night when I texted Kyle on our staff,
and this morning I'm like, no, I'm disgusted. That was awful.
Take him out. Seahawk's eleven bills twelve. Nick Wright joining
me live.
Speaker 4 (08:58):
I got something for you. Colin hold On was listening.
I don't speak French, but let's see if I can
do this in real time.
Speaker 5 (09:06):
Jolie Ladd is like.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
Get pretty yet ugly. That's what you were looking for.
I googled it for you. There you go, pal uh,
pretty yet ugly.
Speaker 5 (09:15):
It sounds like your Broncos take.
Speaker 4 (09:17):
Did you compare bow Nicks to Patrick Malmes?
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (09:21):
Did that happen?
Speaker 1 (09:23):
I mean, who else could take nineteen nothing deficit?
Speaker 3 (09:28):
Greatest quarter for a quarterback. Ever, I stand I die
on that hill.
Speaker 4 (09:32):
Ok, And that was okay, So all right, A few
things that listen. It is remarkable what they've done and
what he's done in the fourth quarter against Philly and
the Giants. I am taking nothing away from him there,
but I was too busy googling Jolie.
Speaker 5 (09:50):
Ladd to fact.
Speaker 4 (09:51):
You said he has eleven touchdowns wind trailing. But he
also has eleven touchdowns total, So that would mean they've
all come when is trailing at least eleven batting dutchdowns total.
Speaker 5 (10:03):
That Bart's not great.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
In the last The Broncos are really weird because their
last three games Philly, the Jets, and the Giants. I know,
they have thirteen points in the first three quarters combined
of those games, and then they've been elite in the
fourth quarter of two of them, and they held on
against the Jets. I don't I still don't trust them.
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I think the defense is great.
Speaker 5 (10:30):
I think BO.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
The other weird thing about Bo is nothing gives you
more confidence if you're rooting against the Broncos than when
bow knicks early in a game takes a deep shot.
It's like, well, that's going to hit a ball boy
they're just spraying out of bounds. But then late in
the game he has been good, so there is something there.
You also, I want to talk about the Bills in
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the Seahawks, but can I just ask you one question
about the Chiefs?
Speaker 3 (10:56):
Sure?
Speaker 5 (10:57):
Just one?
Speaker 4 (10:58):
Yeah, can we read visit a bit that the dynasty
phase is over or we may be still in the
dynasty phase of my team. I had to deal with
a lot of slings and arrows from you, my dear
friend and professional idol and mentor, all.
Speaker 5 (11:15):
Summer that this was.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
You know, they'll still be good, but they're just not
dynastic anymore, whatever it is. And now I think you
feel like the gap between them and whomever is second
is about as big as Philly in the as.
Speaker 5 (11:31):
In two and ten.
Speaker 4 (11:32):
Correct, Yeah, yeah, Okay, I just wanted to hear it.
Speaker 5 (11:35):
That's all that. Why are the Bills not in there?
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Okay, First of all, they can't they can't defend the run,
which is the worst thing to be when you have
a great quarterback you have a bad secondary.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
You got to defend the run.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
You otherwise, you watch the game, like last night, Baker
watched a lot of the game, right, like you just
you just get out of rhythm. So you know, Kansas
City has generally and I don't have the stats in
front of me, but you get Mahomes a lot of
drives and a lot of opportunities, and he extends them.
I don't like when I have a great quarterback. I
think they have to go out. Now they're getting some
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people back that will help them, but right now they're
not in my opinion, right now today they're not a
top ten team.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
And Seattle makes too many mistakes. Last night was a mess.
It was a mess.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
So Seattle's interesting because last night was ugly.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
Oh but that.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
Defense was since the Seattle offense kept saying to Houston,
please make this a game.
Speaker 5 (12:36):
It's one in.
Speaker 4 (12:37):
The morning on the East coast. This is outrageously the
late game. At least make it interesting, and the Seattle
Devens wouldn't let Houston do it. And so I give
you credit as the Sam Darnold guy for not, you know,
overlooking a poor performance. But I think you actually at
this point might be underrating Seattle because Mike McDonald has
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been awesome and he gets extra credit to me because
we've seen what's happened to Baltimore's defense since he left,
So that's more confirmation of how good his scheme is.
And I didn't see Colin. You watched more college football
than me, so I'll defer.
Speaker 5 (13:14):
To you on this.
Speaker 4 (13:15):
I did not see this coming from Jackson Smith and Jigba.
This is a revelation he might be the best receiver
in football.
Speaker 5 (13:23):
I am. It's unbelievable.
Speaker 4 (13:26):
And so I think Seattle is right now because of
the injuries, better than the Niners. I'm impressed by the Niners.
I think Seattle's better.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
Okay, that's fair.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
So I was saying this about Caleb Williams. Body language matters.
It's why I turned on Jay Cutler early in his career.
I'm like, ugh, I don't like his body language. Kyler Murray,
who I've defended forever, don't always love his body language.
It's better this year. In fairness, Kyler's better this year.
He's more engaged with a team. But it does matter.
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Chicago's run game is excellent. They spend a lot of
money in the interior, a line of excellent. The defense
is taking them all away. Watching Ben Johnson's face and
body language when Caleb throws it in completion is borderline
discouragement bordering on disgust, Like.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
I I these guys.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
I watch Ben Johnson. You can't tell me he's happy
with Caleb right now?
Speaker 4 (14:24):
Right Yeah, I think that's fair. And I don't listen.
I think everybody has to. We all what we owe
the audience is, no matter what we want to happen
or what we said we thought would happen, is evaluate
things as they do happen. And I'm, you know, a
big Caleb guy. I've cooled a bit, you know, over
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the last nine months. I no longer you know, I
did pick him to go to the super Bowl as
a rookie.
Speaker 5 (14:51):
So I guess I'm cooled somewhat.
Speaker 4 (14:53):
And I'd love to sit here and say they're on
a four game winning streak, They're four and two, they're
in the thick of the playoff pick. Sure, and that's
all true, But in some ways the last few games
that's kind of been despite their quarterback play, their running
game has been great post by their run Defensepin has
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been much better, and Caleb is just kind of scuttling along.
Speaker 5 (15:20):
Now.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
The glass half full version of it is we have
seen the wow moments and drives and even wow quarters
and one wow game against Dallas that I guess everybody
lights up. If Caleb can string together some more consistency,
I do think the Bears could be a legitimate playoff team.
But much like when another quarterback that I have historically loved,
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but he has really disappointed when the Jags were three
and one or whatever record they had if you watched
the games, that was not because of Trevor. That was
despite Trevor. And now it's catching up to them a bit.
It feels like something similar right now is happening with Caleb.
Speaker 5 (16:03):
Again.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
I think it's far too early to say this is
who he's going to be all year, but I do
think he's frustrated, and I do think Ben Johnson's frustrated
that it's not a little further along because that's Saint
Stephen's colin. Everyone threw the ball well on them except
for Caleb.
Speaker 5 (16:20):
It seems so.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
I've said, if the average NFL quarterback career is fifteen years,
and it's a fifteen chapter book, I usually by the
middle of the second chapter, I think I have a
pretty good track record. I have a beat on a quarterback.
I never quit on Darnold, even when I was critical
of Baker. I always said, oh, he's a franchise quarterback.
I'm not sure I want him. He's toll cocky, but
he's a franchise quarterback. I feel very good through the years.
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I love Drake May I said, Jayden Daniel is going
to look like Lamar Jackson. I think I like Caleb
more than apparently many people did. But the point being
is I feel pretty good about it. And then there's
Dak Prescott and I'm like, Okay, well, what chapter are
we in eleven? And the entire time I've been glibbed
and I've said he's Kirk Cousins with a star in
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his helmet. Kirk Cousins never carried this, And what's fascinating
You and I were both always sort of rolled our
eyes at all the hype.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
That George Pickens.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
Mike Tomlin, who has been more than willing to deal
with dramas, like get Pickens out of here, Yeah, goes
to Dak and like doesn't want to disappoint him, and
it's drama free. He may be the best number two
receiver in the league. And I'm watching Dak here and
I'm like, they didn't have ceedee lamb, It's Brian Schottenheimer,
it's it's high maintenance. George Pickens, dez Zeke, Amari, Tyron Smith,
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Zach mr they all leave and Dak puts up huge numbers.
I feel like it's the ultimate Colin was wrong and
you similar Do you have any of that feeling watching
this year?
Speaker 5 (17:52):
Yeah, well so listen.
Speaker 4 (17:54):
I think going once they traded Micah, the Cowboys path
was clearly they were going to try to be a
better version of last year's Bengals, which is throw, you know,
trust our quarterback to go score thirty five a game,
see if the defense can hang on.
Speaker 5 (18:13):
For dear life.
Speaker 4 (18:15):
Most people, myself included, looked at that and said, well,
the problem is Dak isn't Burrow, and George.
Speaker 5 (18:22):
Pickens isn't T. Higgins.
Speaker 4 (18:25):
And through seven weeks, Dak is Burrow and George.
Speaker 5 (18:28):
Pickens is better than T. Higgins. I didn't see any
of that coming, and.
Speaker 4 (18:32):
So I have been super skeptical of Pickens, and that
dates back to a college career where he was more
than a handful.
Speaker 5 (18:41):
But he's been excellent.
Speaker 4 (18:42):
The Cowboys offense performing the way it did when Ced
was hurt was stunning, and Dak just being one of
the most entertaining, high octane quarterbacks in the league.
Speaker 5 (18:55):
Has been a pleasure to watch this year.
Speaker 4 (18:57):
It also does feel to me that and I don't
know the butterfly effects how things would have changed, but
watching this offense, Colin, doesn't it feel to you, like
man oh Man, had they not traded Micah Parsons, we'd
be talking about this team as a real contender, ish
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team in an NFL where it seems like other than
Kansas City, nobody is and maybe Detroit nobody is really good,
and that it's wide open for spots four through ten
in this league. If Dallas just had the nineteenth best defense,
they would be right there. And instead it all goes
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on Dak's shoulder, and thus far, he's playing the best
ball of his life.
Speaker 5 (19:44):
I give him a ton of credit.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
I want to end with a basketball topic because the
NBA season begins tonight. There's a new book out written
by a young man who said he chronicles Lebron's la
Laker career, and in it Westbrook, who us hot, who's
highly emotional. But whether you like Westbrook or not, he's
about as real and authentic as anybody's gonna get.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
He just you know, he runs hot.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
I have defended Lebron through the years, saying, like Tiger
or MJ or o'tawny, he's at brand protection legacy stage now,
so sometimes he's a bit calculated, polished, you know, he's
he's protecting his empire. That's what CEOs do, and Lebron
is the league's CEO. But but the knock there is
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there is this rub is that And I've heard this
through the years that Lebron, who's Lebron? What is Lebron?
You know, he and the late Kobe weren't close. He
and Lebron. It's a weird thing. Sure, I mean, are
the criticisms of Lebron that he's a bit too calculated,
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a bit too measured?
Speaker 3 (20:56):
Is it fair?
Speaker 4 (20:58):
I mean, this is a lot to unpack here, so
let me try to give it it's just due. First
of all, I have massive respect for Russell Westbrook's career,
Russell Westbrook the man and the player. I also think
there is a lack of self awareness with Russ since
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he's stopped being an MVP caliber player that has significantly
damaged every single team he's been on. And it's and
for Russ and certainly for Russ's fans, it's never Russ's fault.
Speaker 5 (21:35):
It's always you know.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
People didn't let Russ b Russ when the reality is,
for the last six years, letting Russ be Russ means
empty calorie, non winning basketball, like that first ballot Hall
of Famer. He's one of the fifty greatest players ever.
It's just been a rough last half decade.
Speaker 5 (21:53):
So there's that piece of it. Do I think that.
Speaker 4 (21:56):
Probably Russ and Lebron's personalities are very different?
Speaker 3 (22:00):
Sure?
Speaker 4 (22:01):
Do I also think that as we are now in
year twenty three of Lebron James being in the spotlight,
that a guy who has the biggest scandal he was
ever a part of was the decision which then raised
a couple million dollars for charity that people have been
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trying to more than any athlete of my lifetime, find
some some cardinal sin or grievous error that he made,
to the point to where a couple weeks ago, when
it was he was clearly going to do some type
of ad with the decision too, folks pretended that they
thought he was going to announce his retirement at noon
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on a Tuesday, and they acted all offended by it that. Now,
what people have come down to is, you know what,
I don't like the cut of his jib, and I
think he lies about reading books he hasn't read. That's
my problem with Lebron, Like, give me a break. The
guy has been these spokesman, the face, the ambassador of
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this league for a quarter century, almost more than twenty
percent of the time the NBA has existed. Lebron James
has been at the epi center of it and does
not have a substantial misstep to his name and not
a scandal on or off the court. So I understand
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he's an easy guy to go after in this regard.
And yes, of course he is calculated, and yes, of
course anything he says or does is going to be dissected,
so he has to be very careful with it. But
I think that he has handled that spotlight better than
quite literally any other athlete of our lives.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
Nick Wright, I agree. First things first, I'll leave you
with this. This doesn't mean anything. Please, this doesn't mean anything.
I just want to throw it out there because I'm
Dray data driven. Bo Nix's college winning percentage was seventy percent.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
Patrick's was forty four.
Speaker 4 (24:02):
Well, another way, you know what that means a lot,
because that's another piece of data that shows bo Nix
is nothing like Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 5 (24:10):
And I agree with that.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Talk to you everybuddy, all right, great, Nick, right, appreciate that. Yeah,
I mean you know it's Chris Rock had a line
years ago. A man is as loyal as his options,
and similar to that, you know everybody's I can't believe
you took the money from them, and you did that.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
You don't have any options.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
People with options take advantage of options. The other thing is,
whenever I hear well this guy is calculated, this guy
is protecting his brand. Yeah, he's got one. That's what
happens when you're worth a billion dollars. Tiger would have
been better to protect his brand, right, There's a lot
of guys who've had a brand and butchered it.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
So listen. I do think there are times Lebron on.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
The Internet and on the Instagram is pretty it's pretty calculated,
you know. I think that's fair to say. But he's
he's got a lot to protect. Here's another number I
wish I had Nick fourth quarter passer rating this year
Bonnicks one oh one. Mahomes immediately ninety eight. The Dad
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is coming out. It's pretty clear, pretty pretty clear. Greg
Olsen's around the corner as well in Chicago.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
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Speaker 3 (26:12):
Jmaker, you coffee drinker.
Speaker 7 (26:15):
It's funny you asked that. For the first time in months.
I had Starbucks yesterday. It was delicious. I just don't
get a healthy drink there, so I know that I
can't have it regularly, but I'll have a small coffee
here at work.
Speaker 8 (26:26):
But it's a tiny Why are you.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
I'm on my fourth cup, but there's never been There
has never been an instance where somebody was on their
deathbed and said I just drank too much coffee. Never
happened in the history of the world.
Speaker 7 (26:44):
Le's about that. I'm worried about the right now. I
don't care about my deathbed. Are you handling four cups?
Speaker 8 (26:49):
Okay? I mean some of these takes are a little
unhinged right now. Maybe a cup of coffee.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
Jam pack with the news.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
This is the herd line news.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
That's what I gotta do. I gotta blame the caffeine.
That's a good one. He's coffee.
Speaker 8 (27:08):
Yeah, yeah, all right.
Speaker 7 (27:08):
Let's start with your Chicago Bears. Four straight wins, pretty
impressive run. They got the Ravens this week. We'll see
what happens with Lamar. I mean, I'd like to see
a Lamar Caleb Williams showdown. Caleb Williams has not been
particularly crisp during this four game stretch, but he knows
there's still a lot to work on.
Speaker 9 (27:29):
There are things that I can be better at. There
are things that I'm going to be better at. There
are things that you know that that you know weren't
hitting the day, and and you know you just have
those days sometime. And it's nice that we have a defense,
we have a special teams, a punter or whatever you
want to say, kicker that can put us ahead, that
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can help us win games, a run game that can
you know, control the game. And so, uh, you know,
we get this figured out. On my side, we'll be
you know, we'll be putting up a lot of to
be very dangerous.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
He's good at the podium. He says the right thing.
He doesn't get defensive, he doesn't get prickly. He's very
good at the podium.
Speaker 7 (28:07):
Easy to say the right thing when you won four straight,
I mean, shucks with our ratings cooking, it's easy for
me to come up here and be like, hey.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
It's me.
Speaker 7 (28:14):
You go four and one back to back weeks, you
just roll up giving out picks left.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
I don't think it's that easy. I think being good
at the podium's a skill. I think he's really good
at it.
Speaker 7 (28:22):
So here's my thing. And I wish I had gone
in deeper on this, but I had looked at the
schedule and said, you know, the Bears could get hot.
Speaker 8 (28:28):
I don't know if you remember that.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
Their schedule is there for w's Well, I'm just saying, if.
Speaker 7 (28:34):
Lamar don't play this weekend, I think they can.
Speaker 8 (28:36):
Win that one. And then it's Joe Flacco, Jackson Dart
and JJ McCarthy and I don't.
Speaker 7 (28:41):
Think Pittsburgh's very good. All of a sudden, Bears become
a spicy wild card team. Colin like they're on the cusp.
I still need to see more because I don't want
to poo.
Speaker 8 (28:49):
Poo the four game winning streak. But at home against Dallas, I.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
Will say this, Come on the teams that are running
the football consistently, Detroit, Seattle, Chicago, it's a ra Here
comes the crappy weather, Here comes the bad weather.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
Holts, Yeah, the Colts.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
You start looking at all the team. You know, we've
always been a passing league. Now it gets cold. Now
you have to have a run game. And by the way,
Cleveland beat Miami this weekend. Oh Cleveland's rookie running back
from Ohio State look pretty dominant.
Speaker 7 (29:22):
Did you notice the Chargers have struggled o'mary and Hampton down.
I know Vidal had a good game, but it's like,
come on, Vidal, you can't count on him. No, it's
run to set up the pass first. Now the league
is shifting because of the two high safeties. They're just
now giving up big plays. Did you see Houston last night?
How many times were they just chucking it twenty yards
down the field with like zero success? I mean, Baker
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Mayfield through fifty passes last night, Colin, they had one
touchdown on offense. Like, you've got to be able to
run the football, No, Bucky Irving. Last night, Tampa could
do nothing on the ground. So I would focus on
that and this swift and I'm not going I don't
know how do you pronounce the new running backs name Monogamy.
I don't even know what it is. I've got him
on my fantasy team. He's got some pop. If you
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can now get those two cooking in Chicago, this Baltimore
game gets spicy, especially if Lamar does not play. All right, Colin,
let's move on to the New York Giants the GMN.
How about that collapse up nineteen zero and blow it,
conceding thirty three in the fourth. Brian Dabele, who appeared
very rattle by the loss, says he's not planning any
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staff or play calling changes ahead of the matchup with Philly.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
No, I'm not considering that but we all got to
do a better job.
Speaker 9 (30:38):
Starts with me, and there's plenty of opportunities to finish
that game the way we wanted to, and we didn't.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
Get the job done.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
I think the best thing that's happened to Brian Dabol
is the emergence of Dart, because I think it would
be really hard right now to separate those two. And
I I look at Jackson Dart and I said this
before the season, I said this about the Colts, and
I said it about the Giants. I like the rosters
Colts more than the Giants. They needed a quarterback, and
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the Colts are not a mirage. I mean they go
look at the Colts offense, O line, tight end, wide receiver,
running back at stars and you look at the New
York Giants without neighbors Scataboo Dart left tackle. We know
their defensive fronts excellent. I don't think I don't think
the win over I don't think the near winover Denver
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or the winover Philly is a mirage.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
I said it going into the season.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
I like their roster as long as their left tackle
who's hit and miss on help is healthy.
Speaker 3 (31:45):
I like the.
Speaker 7 (31:46):
Giants so they said, let me drill down on this,
because you've been saying for a few days now you
think the Giants have found their guy.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
Absolute Jackson Dark Jackson's there.
Speaker 7 (31:53):
I'm just gonna play. Is he a franchise quarterback or no? Yeah,
we'll go Jackson Dart. You say yes, yeah, Okay.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
Kyler Murray, well, he's been a franchise quarterback. I think
he is. But I think after all these years, I
think there's a clear ceiling. I think the size is
crucial at the position, and I would probably start over
in Arizona.
Speaker 8 (32:13):
You would start. So he's not a franchise quack.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
Okay, No, he's a franchise quarterback. But every I mean,
when you get it away from the top five quarterbacks
in the league, people run their course in franchises.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
So Caleb Williams, I.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
Think he's a franchise quarterback. Bo Nicks absolutely a franchise quarterback.
Speaker 8 (32:30):
Okay.
Speaker 7 (32:30):
Interesting, So you like the younger guys more. You know,
we've seen Kyler for five six years now and it's
not really happening.
Speaker 8 (32:36):
One more young guy. JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
No, I've never thought he was a franchise I've never
ever bought into that No.
Speaker 3 (32:43):
I said this before the draft.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
I didn't think I My take was he didn't have
the traits I was looking for when I and I've
never been a fan of this. He's a winner means nothing.
Danny Wherfol was a winner in college. Tevo is a
winner in card That doesn't mean anything. Why he's a winner, Well,
if you play under heart of all, you're a winner always.
Speaker 5 (33:01):
How's it?
Speaker 3 (33:02):
Luck was a winner? But he has a trade.
Speaker 8 (33:04):
Yeah, how's this?
Speaker 7 (33:05):
If Dart can beat the Eagles again and sweep.
Speaker 8 (33:09):
Them, I'll give it to you. He's a franchise quarterback.
I see there's no way he's winning this.
Speaker 7 (33:13):
But he hasn't made me look foolish Chargers Broncos, So
I don't know if I'm gonna go against him again.
Final story, Colin, this is just breaking here. In the
last hour, there are reports, now I'll just leave it
at on social media that the Cowboys are making a
move on Max Crosby of the Raiders. Now, Crosby was
injured against the Chiefs. They held him out of the
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second half. It wouldn't have mattered. The Cowboys obviously traded
Micah Parsons at you know, right before the season started
and now just just a report.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
I'm not gonna Why would the Raiders give up their
best player and the soul of the franchise.
Speaker 8 (33:50):
Well, I don't know.
Speaker 7 (33:51):
Maybe because Jerry Jones does stupid deals all the time.
He lost this deal, The Micaeh Parsit trade he did
that wide receiver from Carolina was horrible. Trey Lance deal
was horrible. I mean, if you could get Jerry to
give you a first round pick for Crosby, I think
you got to take that and run, don't you.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
I I don't like giving up. I didn't feel Micaeh
was the soul of the Cowboys. I thought it was
Dak and so I don't like giving up the soul
of a franchise. And I I don't Max Crosby is
the Raiders, Michael was not the Cowboys. Dack's the Cowboys,
Jerry's the Cowboys. I yeah, I just don't get that. Well,
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I don't get it for either team. I don't get
it for you. If you're gonna sign Max, sign what
was the point of I mean, if you can.
Speaker 8 (34:36):
It doesn't really make sense.
Speaker 7 (34:37):
That being said, if the Raiders are able to get
a first for Crosby, I mean, that's elder abuse. They're
just taking advantage of Jerry Jones because there's no way,
I know, Crosby's awesome. You cannot give up a first
for Crosby after trading away Mike Go. I mean Michael
Parsons is he's rated as the number.
Speaker 8 (34:54):
One ed rusher in the league. He said he's unstoppable.
Speaker 3 (34:57):
Dallas is a great story.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
They're not a super Bowl team, right, anybody making a
big swing. That's not a super Bowl team. At the
trade deadline, you should be selling, you know, get another pick,
get a you know, I just that would be weird.
Speaker 7 (35:11):
Okay, what's the nine? I'm sorry, what if the Niners
made a move across?
Speaker 3 (35:14):
That's different?
Speaker 8 (35:15):
Yes, okay, we're on the same page.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
Yeah, I agree, that's different. J Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
Well, that's the news, and thanks for stopping that The
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Speaker 7 (35:35):
Last night, the Blue Jays clinched their first pennant in
thirty two years after an incredible Game seven of the ALCS.
Now they'll host a Dodgers team looking for back to
back World Series titles. Coverage of Game one of the
twenty twenty five World Series begins Friday at seven pm Eastern,
four pm Pacific on Fox.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
I think if you win as much as the Dodgers
have thirteen straight Playoff appearances and you can win back
to back, that's a dynasty.
Speaker 3 (36:04):
There was always this sense you had to win three straight.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
That feels very NBA because it was always a star
driven league. Now nobody can win back to back in
the NBA because of Adam Silver's new CBA and the
aprons and the cost to ownership. So I mean, I think,
if you're great for thirteen years and you win back
to back championship again. When I was a kid, Cincinnati
Reds won back to back. I think it was like
seventy four to seventy five or I think it was
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those years, and they had a lot of success, but
that was considered a dynasty, the Big Red Machine. It's
still revered in baseball history. So I think the Dodgers
are going for history. It's interesting though. A month ago,
September twenty first, the Chiefs were owing to the offense
leaked Old Creaky pedestrian and kind of lost. And a
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month ago the Dodgers were getting ready for the playoffs.
The bullpen was a mess. The starting pitchers like Snell
and blastnow you know, had missed so much of the regulars.
And a month later they're like that writer at the
Tour de France who separates on the mountain stage. When
he reappears, he's leading, heading downhill and pulling away. It
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feels like the Chiefs and the Dodgers are playing different sports.
And I think one of the things they both do
really well. It's hard to be good. It's harder to
be great. It's hardest to keep being great. And there's
some things you can't do. You can't be stubborn, you
can't be overly prideful. You got to spot your problems
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address them immediately. I have watched in my life so
many businesses and sports teams get in their own way.
Dodgers never do.
Speaker 3 (37:43):
They never do.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
Chiefs never do. Everybody makes mistakes outside of anonymous trolls.
Nobody is perfect, right good Gie Andrew Friedman's had draft
picks that don't work. He's made deals that don't work.
I could name them. Nobody's perfect, but the Dodgers. They
move off their mistakes, they identify, they solve, and that's
what Kansas City's done. And listen, it's not easy managing
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the Dodgers. You got the analytics guys upstairs. The expectations
are ridiculous. You do have the best batting order since
the seventy five Reds, and Dave Roberts talked about being
second guest.
Speaker 10 (38:23):
There's always critics. Yeah, I think that we're in a
big market. We're expected to win. Our fans expect us
to win. I can't speak to what revenue we're bringing in,
but our ownership puts it back into players a big
chunk of it. That's what you want. I mean, I
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would think that that's what sports fans want from everyone,
to get the best of their team. And I think
we do as.
Speaker 3 (38:51):
Good a job as anyone.
Speaker 1 (38:53):
I think Dave Roberts really plays the long game. Again,
I grew up with Earl Weaver and Billy Martin and
Whitey Herzog and very feisty Bobby Cox. Obviously, with the
Brave it's kind of a domineering guy. Like it's kind
of stubborn Dave Roberts. You can't be that as a
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major league manager. You don't have the power you're used to.
The analytics department has the power, and Dave Roberts Aaron Boone.
The difference with the Yankees and the Dodgers. The Yankees
have all this money, they never solve their issues. They
just return the same GM and the same team and
the same problems. Home run dependent, can't play small ball,
don't really engineer runs, strike out too much, and not
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great defensively. The Dodgers find problems, identify them. There's no ego,
and they move off them.
Speaker 3 (39:41):
And I.
Speaker 1 (39:43):
It's just easy to say, well what about the town.
Look at Philadelphia right now? The Eagles are a stacked roster.
What is their offensive identity?
Speaker 3 (39:51):
They have none.
Speaker 1 (39:52):
It's hard, you know, Shaq and Kobe, when you've got
the two best finishers in their prime in the game,
it is hard. I mean, the Miami Heat looked like
a dynasty. We're a dynasty. Then got old really fast
and it all blew up.
Speaker 3 (40:06):
So I don't know. I just I.
Speaker 1 (40:10):
Would never go to a restaurant where I thought the
quality dipped. I like following and watching well run businesses.
I support them like I when I go into places,
I look around. Is it well run, is it quick?
Is it efficient? Is it I want to cater to
those businesses. And I watch the Dodgers and I'm always
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im I think that the best run sports franchise in
North America. And it's not just the money, because the
Yankees have it and they don't spend it smartly and
Kansas City, to their credit, a month ago, we're looking
at that offense and we're like, it's a mess. And
all of a sudden, now it's as deep a receiving
cor as Andy Reid's ever had. I mean, they just
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they just make stuff work. They get to work, they
solve their stuff. And I also think it's really hard
to be great because the expectation. Everybody's on their phone,
including the athletes. The athletes are on their phone, they're
reading things. The Chiefs dynasty and the Dodgers dynasty under
Andy Reid seventy two percent. I mean that is insane
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to win seventy two percent of your games. I mean,
go look at Bill Parcell's winning percentage, and he says,
good as good at coaches we've ever had. Solve the bullpens,
solve the receiving corps. Don't let pride and ego get
in the way, identify it, solve it. Be nimble, all right.
Our three, greg Olf, the Great Greg Golfen, is around
the corner.
Speaker 3 (41:37):
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
All Right, here we go, it's our two. It is
great to have you back. I'm not in the greatest mood.
The Seattle Mariners for most of my life have been
knocking on the door of history in sports, and a
lot of times nobody lets them in. And last night
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I was just defending major DG managers like they get
eaten alive. Dave Roberts is always getting criticized. But we've
muted the power of major dig managers, right. The analytics
guys upstairs make a lot of the calls. They don't
get as much money as they used to. I mean,
think about like when I grew up with like Whitey Herzog,
and you know these guys had Billy Martin, I big personalities,
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Earl Weaver. It was like they were the most important
guy in the entire organization. That's not the way it
is anymore. So I tend to defend major dig managers.
But I did think Dan Wilson, I mean, listen, he
pitched to George Springer. I would have put him on base,
but Vlad Guerrero was coming up in a couple of batters.
It wasn't ideal. I would have gone with Munno's because
to me, that George Springer at bat that inning was
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the biggest inning in Mari in her history.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
That was the biggest inning and mayor in her history.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
If you can get out of that one, and you
can get past Springer, and you can get past Flad easier,
part of the lineup coming, Munhos is your guy.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
So you know whatever, you.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Can second guest managers all the time. I tend to
defend major dig managers because I don't have the pull
and the leverage they used to.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
But that was dicey.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
But again, Dan Wilson, a former catcher, super smart guy,
knows it better than anybody else. But that was something else.
All right, here we go, It is Tuesday. Here's the
herd hierarchy.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Heard hierarchy. Now go the top ten NFL teams according
to College Number ten.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
I put him in this morning.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
I bounced the Seahawks out because after those four giveaways,
I just can't trust Seattle. Seattle's eleven. I put New
England in at ten. They don't beat themselves. Four straight wins,
top ten offense, top five scoring defense. Mike Vrabel. This
was our prediction, the team that would double their win total.
We said it before the season. We had them as
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a playoff team. Their remaining schedule is the easiest in
the league. Six straight games with one hundred plus passer rating.
I like Drake may I didn't think he would be
this good this quick. They feel like a one and
done playoff team that's winning a lot on energy and
focus and enthusiasm and youth. But I put them at
ten and bounce Seattle out. Number nine the Niners. I
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think Kyle Shanahan's in the running for coach of the year.
No Brock Purty, Brandon I, Ricky Piersoll, George Kittle, Fred Warner,
Nick Bosa. But Robert Sala has been a monster as
a defensive coordinator. They have the number seven scoring defense.
They are very Christian McCaffrey dependent. Thirty touches or thirty
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one touches don't love that, but they're kind of trapped.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
Six of their next seven.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Games against very weak opponents. They should be favored in
most of them, but I think Mac Jones and brought
Purty feels a little bit like a wash to me.
One's expensive ones kind of free, but I think you
got to put them in the list. Nobody's been as
resourceful as Kyle Shanahan and the Niners.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
I put him at nine.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Number eight Green Bay.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
They keep leaving me wanting more, but they are undefeated
when scoring more than ten points this season. I just
feel like I want more, but they've been a little
banged up at wide receiversh Jacobs three straight games with
multiple touchdowns.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
Jordan loved this year, and nobody likes Jordan Love.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
And he's completing sixty nine percent of his throws and
one hundred in passer rating. You can't find anybody that
likes it. Their run defense is excellent. Micah is the
perfect closer for a team that often leads in the fourth.
I have Green Bay eight. I think they will get better.
They're still really young. Number seven. I still like the
Bucks a lot. I mean, they were playing, you know,
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living dangerously, coming from behind and that was a buzz saw.
They ran into last night for their five wins one
score games, but their defense multiple games with takeaways. I
just think they got playmakers, and again, like the Niners,
they've been incredibly resourceful. I've always thought Todd Bowles is
underrated because he didn't really have a profile. Probably the
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best blitzing coach in the NFL, Baker Igbuka. I think
they're going to be fine when they get cleaned up
and healthier, but I wouldn't drop him too far. I
have Tampa number six. I love Denver's roster. I don't
think their defense has been as good as I thought,
but they lead the NFL and sack deferential. They have
the number one third down defense and the number one
red zone defense, and yet I feel like they should
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be better Bonicks when trailing this season a very Mahomes
like stat eleven touchdowns, no pick and a one h
two passer rating, and obviously a great head coach. Denver
at six number five Detroit. Detroit's run game jumps off
the TV set. They're five and one over their last
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six games, and they got rocked by the best team
easily in the league, Kansas City. Their defense, takes the
ball away, gets to the quarterback. What I like about
Detroit is they get leads and then they get sacks,
and that's the way to win in the postseason. They're
much better obviously at home. But I have Detroit Tampa
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last night at five, number four, tipe it into the
Colts for a month. They should have beaten the Rams,
best outright record in the league at six and one.
They're only lost in the Rams, and they outplayed them.
Great offensive line, playmakers at running back, tight end, wide receiver,
excellent head coach, most efficient offense in the NFL, most
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tied for the most touchdowns. I mean Daniel Jones. I
mean it's like Dak We can say, well, he's not
elite while I'm watching, and it looks elite to me.
They've scored on sixty three percent of their drives, and
I think they're absolutely for real. I've always said my
final four teams are teams I think that can get
to a Super Bowl. To have the Colts at four,
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number three Rams, it's not really just Stafford and McVeigh.
That defense is suffocating.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
Now.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
It may not be suffocating if they faced them all
homes or you know again, it may not be suffocating
against the great quarterbacks, but men Trevor Lawrence, good luck.
They lead the NFL in big play, no Puka, no problem,
number two scoring defense, number two in sacks, and remember
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their defense is young. These guys, a lot of them
haven't even hit their prime. Rams at three, number two,
I don't even know if I like Philadelphia. I honestly,
they can't run the ball anymore. They don't get to
the quarterback, but they have I mean, let's be honest.
Jalen Hurts wins a lot. Davonte Smith and AJ Brown
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when they can't run, can take the top off. They're
a hard team to defend, and they're a hard team
to figure out. They don't get to the quarterback. They've
been out gained in every game. There's a French term
for beautiful yet ugly. I think whatever that term is,
that's the Eagles.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
But I love their.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
Roster, and I keep just saying they'll.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
Figure it out. But I have them at two, number one.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
And I think they get smoked if they played Kansas City.
I said it a month ago. This is as good
as Kansasity. He's been Hollywood Brown, Juju Worthy, Rise, Travis Kelcey.
I mean, keep your eye on bershard Smith. The offensive
line hasn't been totally healthy. I think Mahomes is playing
at an absurd level. I think this is as good.
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I'm serious here. I think this team I do wonder
at the trade deadline if they would go find like
a situational pass rusher maybe. And they're not a great
run team. They are so deep now at wide receiver.
Here you go my top ten Seattle eleven. I had
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him in last night when I texted Kyle on our staff,
and this morning I'm like, no, I'm disgusted. That was awful.
Take him out. Seahawk's eleven bills twelve. Nick Wright joining
me live.
Speaker 4 (08:58):
I got something for you. Colin hold On was listening.
I don't speak French, but let's see if I can
do this in real time.
Speaker 5 (09:06):
Jolie Ladd is like.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
Get pretty yet ugly. That's what you were looking for.
I googled it for you. There you go, pal uh,
pretty yet ugly.
Speaker 5 (09:15):
It sounds like your Broncos take.
Speaker 4 (09:17):
Did you compare bow Nicks to Patrick Malmes?
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (09:21):
Did that happen?
Speaker 1 (09:23):
I mean, who else could take nineteen nothing deficit?
Speaker 3 (09:28):
Greatest quarter for a quarterback. Ever, I stand I die
on that hill.
Speaker 4 (09:32):
Ok, And that was okay, So all right, A few
things that listen. It is remarkable what they've done and
what he's done in the fourth quarter against Philly and
the Giants. I am taking nothing away from him there,
but I was too busy googling Jolie.
Speaker 5 (09:50):
Ladd to fact.
Speaker 4 (09:51):
You said he has eleven touchdowns wind trailing. But he
also has eleven touchdowns total, So that would mean they've
all come when is trailing at least eleven batting dutchdowns total.
Speaker 5 (10:03):
That Bart's not great.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
In the last The Broncos are really weird because their
last three games Philly, the Jets, and the Giants. I know,
they have thirteen points in the first three quarters combined
of those games, and then they've been elite in the
fourth quarter of two of them, and they held on
against the Jets. I don't I still don't trust them.
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I think the defense is great.
Speaker 5 (10:30):
I think BO.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
The other weird thing about Bo is nothing gives you
more confidence if you're rooting against the Broncos than when
bow knicks early in a game takes a deep shot.
It's like, well, that's going to hit a ball boy
they're just spraying out of bounds. But then late in
the game he has been good, so there is something there.
You also, I want to talk about the Bills in
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the Seahawks, but can I just ask you one question
about the Chiefs?
Speaker 3 (10:56):
Sure?
Speaker 5 (10:57):
Just one?
Speaker 4 (10:58):
Yeah, can we read visit a bit that the dynasty
phase is over or we may be still in the
dynasty phase of my team. I had to deal with
a lot of slings and arrows from you, my dear
friend and professional idol and mentor, all.
Speaker 5 (11:15):
Summer that this was.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
You know, they'll still be good, but they're just not
dynastic anymore, whatever it is. And now I think you
feel like the gap between them and whomever is second
is about as big as Philly in the as.
Speaker 5 (11:31):
In two and ten.
Speaker 4 (11:32):
Correct, Yeah, yeah, Okay, I just wanted to hear it.
Speaker 5 (11:35):
That's all that. Why are the Bills not in there?
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Okay, First of all, they can't they can't defend the run,
which is the worst thing to be when you have
a great quarterback you have a bad secondary.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
You got to defend the run.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
You otherwise, you watch the game, like last night, Baker
watched a lot of the game, right, like you just
you just get out of rhythm. So you know, Kansas
City has generally and I don't have the stats in
front of me, but you get Mahomes a lot of
drives and a lot of opportunities, and he extends them.
I don't like when I have a great quarterback. I
think they have to go out. Now they're getting some
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people back that will help them, but right now they're
not in my opinion, right now today they're not a
top ten team.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
And Seattle makes too many mistakes. Last night was a mess.
It was a mess.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
So Seattle's interesting because last night was ugly.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
Oh but that.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
Defense was since the Seattle offense kept saying to Houston,
please make this a game.
Speaker 5 (12:36):
It's one in.
Speaker 4 (12:37):
The morning on the East coast. This is outrageously the
late game. At least make it interesting, and the Seattle
Devens wouldn't let Houston do it. And so I give
you credit as the Sam Darnold guy for not, you know,
overlooking a poor performance. But I think you actually at
this point might be underrating Seattle because Mike McDonald has
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been awesome and he gets extra credit to me because
we've seen what's happened to Baltimore's defense since he left,
So that's more confirmation of how good his scheme is.
And I didn't see Colin. You watched more college football
than me, so I'll defer.
Speaker 5 (13:14):
To you on this.
Speaker 4 (13:15):
I did not see this coming from Jackson Smith and Jigba.
This is a revelation he might be the best receiver
in football.
Speaker 5 (13:23):
I am. It's unbelievable.
Speaker 4 (13:26):
And so I think Seattle is right now because of
the injuries, better than the Niners. I'm impressed by the Niners.
I think Seattle's better.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
Okay, that's fair.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
So I was saying this about Caleb Williams. Body language matters.
It's why I turned on Jay Cutler early in his career.
I'm like, ugh, I don't like his body language. Kyler Murray,
who I've defended forever, don't always love his body language.
It's better this year. In fairness, Kyler's better this year.
He's more engaged with a team. But it does matter.
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Chicago's run game is excellent. They spend a lot of
money in the interior, a line of excellent. The defense
is taking them all away. Watching Ben Johnson's face and
body language when Caleb throws it in completion is borderline
discouragement bordering on disgust, Like.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
I I these guys.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
I watch Ben Johnson. You can't tell me he's happy
with Caleb right now?
Speaker 4 (14:24):
Right Yeah, I think that's fair. And I don't listen.
I think everybody has to. We all what we owe
the audience is, no matter what we want to happen
or what we said we thought would happen, is evaluate
things as they do happen. And I'm, you know, a
big Caleb guy. I've cooled a bit, you know, over
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the last nine months. I no longer you know, I
did pick him to go to the super Bowl as
a rookie.
Speaker 5 (14:51):
So I guess I'm cooled somewhat.
Speaker 4 (14:53):
And I'd love to sit here and say they're on
a four game winning streak, They're four and two, they're
in the thick of the playoff pick. Sure, and that's
all true, But in some ways the last few games
that's kind of been despite their quarterback play, their running
game has been great post by their run Defensepin has
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been much better, and Caleb is just kind of scuttling along.
Speaker 5 (15:20):
Now.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
The glass half full version of it is we have
seen the wow moments and drives and even wow quarters
and one wow game against Dallas that I guess everybody
lights up. If Caleb can string together some more consistency,
I do think the Bears could be a legitimate playoff team.
But much like when another quarterback that I have historically loved,
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but he has really disappointed when the Jags were three
and one or whatever record they had if you watched
the games, that was not because of Trevor. That was
despite Trevor. And now it's catching up to them a bit.
It feels like something similar right now is happening with Caleb.
Speaker 5 (16:03):
Again.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
I think it's far too early to say this is
who he's going to be all year, but I do
think he's frustrated, and I do think Ben Johnson's frustrated
that it's not a little further along because that's Saint
Stephen's colin. Everyone threw the ball well on them except
for Caleb.
Speaker 5 (16:20):
It seems so.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
I've said, if the average NFL quarterback career is fifteen years,
and it's a fifteen chapter book, I usually by the
middle of the second chapter, I think I have a
pretty good track record. I have a beat on a quarterback.
I never quit on Darnold, even when I was critical
of Baker. I always said, oh, he's a franchise quarterback.
I'm not sure I want him. He's toll cocky, but
he's a franchise quarterback. I feel very good through the years.
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I love Drake May I said, Jayden Daniel is going
to look like Lamar Jackson. I think I like Caleb
more than apparently many people did. But the point being
is I feel pretty good about it. And then there's
Dak Prescott and I'm like, Okay, well, what chapter are
we in eleven? And the entire time I've been glibbed
and I've said he's Kirk Cousins with a star in
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his helmet. Kirk Cousins never carried this, And what's fascinating
You and I were both always sort of rolled our
eyes at all the hype.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
That George Pickens.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
Mike Tomlin, who has been more than willing to deal
with dramas, like get Pickens out of here, Yeah, goes
to Dak and like doesn't want to disappoint him, and
it's drama free. He may be the best number two
receiver in the league. And I'm watching Dak here and
I'm like, they didn't have ceedee lamb, It's Brian Schottenheimer,
it's it's high maintenance. George Pickens, dez Zeke, Amari, Tyron Smith,
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Zach mr they all leave and Dak puts up huge numbers.
I feel like it's the ultimate Colin was wrong and
you similar Do you have any of that feeling watching
this year?
Speaker 5 (17:52):
Yeah, well so listen.
Speaker 4 (17:54):
I think going once they traded Micah, the Cowboys path
was clearly they were going to try to be a
better version of last year's Bengals, which is throw, you know,
trust our quarterback to go score thirty five a game,
see if the defense can hang on.
Speaker 5 (18:13):
For dear life.
Speaker 4 (18:15):
Most people, myself included, looked at that and said, well,
the problem is Dak isn't Burrow, and George.
Speaker 5 (18:22):
Pickens isn't T. Higgins.
Speaker 4 (18:25):
And through seven weeks, Dak is Burrow and George.
Speaker 5 (18:28):
Pickens is better than T. Higgins. I didn't see any
of that coming, and.
Speaker 4 (18:32):
So I have been super skeptical of Pickens, and that
dates back to a college career where he was more
than a handful.
Speaker 5 (18:41):
But he's been excellent.
Speaker 4 (18:42):
The Cowboys offense performing the way it did when Ced
was hurt was stunning, and Dak just being one of
the most entertaining, high octane quarterbacks in the league.
Speaker 5 (18:55):
Has been a pleasure to watch this year.
Speaker 4 (18:57):
It also does feel to me that and I don't
know the butterfly effects how things would have changed, but
watching this offense, Colin, doesn't it feel to you, like
man oh Man, had they not traded Micah Parsons, we'd
be talking about this team as a real contender, ish
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team in an NFL where it seems like other than
Kansas City, nobody is and maybe Detroit nobody is really good,
and that it's wide open for spots four through ten
in this league. If Dallas just had the nineteenth best defense,
they would be right there. And instead it all goes
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on Dak's shoulder, and thus far, he's playing the best
ball of his life.
Speaker 5 (19:44):
I give him a ton of credit.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
I want to end with a basketball topic because the
NBA season begins tonight. There's a new book out written
by a young man who said he chronicles Lebron's la
Laker career, and in it Westbrook, who us hot, who's
highly emotional. But whether you like Westbrook or not, he's
about as real and authentic as anybody's gonna get.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
He just you know, he runs hot.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
I have defended Lebron through the years, saying, like Tiger
or MJ or o'tawny, he's at brand protection legacy stage now,
so sometimes he's a bit calculated, polished, you know, he's
he's protecting his empire. That's what CEOs do, and Lebron
is the league's CEO. But but the knock there is
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there is this rub is that And I've heard this
through the years that Lebron, who's Lebron? What is Lebron?
You know, he and the late Kobe weren't close. He
and Lebron. It's a weird thing. Sure, I mean, are
the criticisms of Lebron that he's a bit too calculated,
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a bit too measured?
Speaker 3 (20:56):
Is it fair?
Speaker 4 (20:58):
I mean, this is a lot to unpack here, so
let me try to give it it's just due. First
of all, I have massive respect for Russell Westbrook's career,
Russell Westbrook the man and the player. I also think
there is a lack of self awareness with Russ since
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he's stopped being an MVP caliber player that has significantly
damaged every single team he's been on. And it's and
for Russ and certainly for Russ's fans, it's never Russ's fault.
Speaker 5 (21:35):
It's always you know.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
People didn't let Russ b Russ when the reality is,
for the last six years, letting Russ be Russ means
empty calorie, non winning basketball, like that first ballot Hall
of Famer. He's one of the fifty greatest players ever.
It's just been a rough last half decade.
Speaker 5 (21:53):
So there's that piece of it. Do I think that.
Speaker 4 (21:56):
Probably Russ and Lebron's personalities are very different?
Speaker 3 (22:00):
Sure?
Speaker 4 (22:01):
Do I also think that as we are now in
year twenty three of Lebron James being in the spotlight,
that a guy who has the biggest scandal he was
ever a part of was the decision which then raised
a couple million dollars for charity that people have been
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trying to more than any athlete of my lifetime, find
some some cardinal sin or grievous error that he made,
to the point to where a couple weeks ago, when
it was he was clearly going to do some type
of ad with the decision too, folks pretended that they
thought he was going to announce his retirement at noon
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on a Tuesday, and they acted all offended by it that. Now,
what people have come down to is, you know what,
I don't like the cut of his jib, and I
think he lies about reading books he hasn't read. That's
my problem with Lebron, Like, give me a break. The
guy has been these spokesman, the face, the ambassador of
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this league for a quarter century, almost more than twenty
percent of the time the NBA has existed. Lebron James
has been at the epi center of it and does
not have a substantial misstep to his name and not
a scandal on or off the court. So I understand
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he's an easy guy to go after in this regard.
And yes, of course he is calculated, and yes, of
course anything he says or does is going to be dissected,
so he has to be very careful with it. But
I think that he has handled that spotlight better than
quite literally any other athlete of our lives.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
Nick Wright, I agree. First things first, I'll leave you
with this. This doesn't mean anything. Please, this doesn't mean anything.
I just want to throw it out there because I'm
Dray data driven. Bo Nix's college winning percentage was seventy percent.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
Patrick's was forty four.
Speaker 4 (24:02):
Well, another way, you know what that means a lot,
because that's another piece of data that shows bo Nix
is nothing like Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 5 (24:10):
And I agree with that.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Talk to you everybuddy, all right, great, Nick, right, appreciate that. Yeah,
I mean you know it's Chris Rock had a line
years ago. A man is as loyal as his options,
and similar to that, you know everybody's I can't believe
you took the money from them, and you did that.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
You don't have any options.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
People with options take advantage of options. The other thing is,
whenever I hear well this guy is calculated, this guy
is protecting his brand. Yeah, he's got one. That's what
happens when you're worth a billion dollars. Tiger would have
been better to protect his brand, right, There's a lot
of guys who've had a brand and butchered it.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
So listen. I do think there are times Lebron on.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
The Internet and on the Instagram is pretty it's pretty calculated,
you know. I think that's fair to say. But he's
he's got a lot to protect. Here's another number I
wish I had Nick fourth quarter passer rating this year
Bonnicks one oh one. Mahomes immediately ninety eight. The Dad
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is coming out. It's pretty clear, pretty pretty clear. Greg
Olsen's around the corner as well in Chicago.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
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Speaker 3 (26:12):
Jmaker, you coffee drinker.
Speaker 7 (26:15):
It's funny you asked that. For the first time in months.
I had Starbucks yesterday. It was delicious. I just don't
get a healthy drink there, so I know that I
can't have it regularly, but I'll have a small coffee
here at work.
Speaker 8 (26:26):
But it's a tiny Why are you.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
I'm on my fourth cup, but there's never been There
has never been an instance where somebody was on their
deathbed and said I just drank too much coffee. Never
happened in the history of the world.
Speaker 7 (26:44):
Le's about that. I'm worried about the right now. I
don't care about my deathbed. Are you handling four cups?
Speaker 8 (26:49):
Okay? I mean some of these takes are a little
unhinged right now. Maybe a cup of coffee.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
Jam pack with the news.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
This is the herd line news.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
That's what I gotta do. I gotta blame the caffeine.
That's a good one. He's coffee.
Speaker 8 (27:08):
Yeah, yeah, all right.
Speaker 7 (27:08):
Let's start with your Chicago Bears. Four straight wins, pretty
impressive run. They got the Ravens this week. We'll see
what happens with Lamar. I mean, I'd like to see
a Lamar Caleb Williams showdown. Caleb Williams has not been
particularly crisp during this four game stretch, but he knows
there's still a lot to work on.
Speaker 9 (27:29):
There are things that I can be better at. There
are things that I'm going to be better at. There
are things that you know that that you know weren't
hitting the day, and and you know you just have
those days sometime. And it's nice that we have a defense,
we have a special teams, a punter or whatever you
want to say, kicker that can put us ahead, that
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can help us win games, a run game that can
you know, control the game. And so, uh, you know,
we get this figured out. On my side, we'll be
you know, we'll be putting up a lot of to
be very dangerous.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
He's good at the podium. He says the right thing.
He doesn't get defensive, he doesn't get prickly. He's very
good at the podium.
Speaker 7 (28:07):
Easy to say the right thing when you won four straight,
I mean, shucks with our ratings cooking, it's easy for
me to come up here and be like, hey.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
It's me.
Speaker 7 (28:14):
You go four and one back to back weeks, you
just roll up giving out picks left.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
I don't think it's that easy. I think being good
at the podium's a skill. I think he's really good
at it.
Speaker 7 (28:22):
So here's my thing. And I wish I had gone
in deeper on this, but I had looked at the
schedule and said, you know, the Bears could get hot.
Speaker 8 (28:28):
I don't know if you remember that.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
Their schedule is there for w's Well, I'm just saying, if.
Speaker 7 (28:34):
Lamar don't play this weekend, I think they can.
Speaker 8 (28:36):
Win that one. And then it's Joe Flacco, Jackson Dart
and JJ McCarthy and I don't.
Speaker 7 (28:41):
Think Pittsburgh's very good. All of a sudden, Bears become
a spicy wild card team. Colin like they're on the cusp.
I still need to see more because I don't want
to poo.
Speaker 8 (28:49):
Poo the four game winning streak. But at home against Dallas, I.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
Will say this, Come on the teams that are running
the football consistently, Detroit, Seattle, Chicago, it's a ra Here
comes the crappy weather, Here comes the bad weather.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
Holts, Yeah, the Colts.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
You start looking at all the team. You know, we've
always been a passing league. Now it gets cold. Now
you have to have a run game. And by the way,
Cleveland beat Miami this weekend. Oh Cleveland's rookie running back
from Ohio State look pretty dominant.
Speaker 7 (29:22):
Did you notice the Chargers have struggled o'mary and Hampton down.
I know Vidal had a good game, but it's like,
come on, Vidal, you can't count on him. No, it's
run to set up the pass first. Now the league
is shifting because of the two high safeties. They're just
now giving up big plays. Did you see Houston last night?
How many times were they just chucking it twenty yards
down the field with like zero success? I mean, Baker
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Mayfield through fifty passes last night, Colin, they had one
touchdown on offense. Like, you've got to be able to
run the football, No, Bucky Irving. Last night, Tampa could
do nothing on the ground. So I would focus on
that and this swift and I'm not going I don't
know how do you pronounce the new running backs name Monogamy.
I don't even know what it is. I've got him
on my fantasy team. He's got some pop. If you
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can now get those two cooking in Chicago, this Baltimore
game gets spicy, especially if Lamar does not play. All right, Colin,
let's move on to the New York Giants the GMN.
How about that collapse up nineteen zero and blow it,
conceding thirty three in the fourth. Brian Dabele, who appeared
very rattle by the loss, says he's not planning any
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staff or play calling changes ahead of the matchup with Philly.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
No, I'm not considering that but we all got to
do a better job.
Speaker 9 (30:38):
Starts with me, and there's plenty of opportunities to finish
that game the way we wanted to, and we didn't.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
Get the job done.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
I think the best thing that's happened to Brian Dabol
is the emergence of Dart, because I think it would
be really hard right now to separate those two. And
I I look at Jackson Dart and I said this
before the season, I said this about the Colts, and
I said it about the Giants. I like the rosters
Colts more than the Giants. They needed a quarterback, and
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the Colts are not a mirage. I mean they go
look at the Colts offense, O line, tight end, wide receiver,
running back at stars and you look at the New
York Giants without neighbors Scataboo Dart left tackle. We know
their defensive fronts excellent. I don't think I don't think
the win over I don't think the near winover Denver
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or the winover Philly is a mirage.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
I said it going into the season.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
I like their roster as long as their left tackle
who's hit and miss on help is healthy.
Speaker 3 (31:45):
I like the.
Speaker 7 (31:46):
Giants so they said, let me drill down on this,
because you've been saying for a few days now you
think the Giants have found their guy.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
Absolute Jackson Dark Jackson's there.
Speaker 7 (31:53):
I'm just gonna play. Is he a franchise quarterback or no? Yeah,
we'll go Jackson Dart. You say yes, yeah, Okay.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
Kyler Murray, well, he's been a franchise quarterback. I think
he is. But I think after all these years, I
think there's a clear ceiling. I think the size is
crucial at the position, and I would probably start over
in Arizona.
Speaker 8 (32:13):
You would start. So he's not a franchise quack.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
Okay, No, he's a franchise quarterback. But every I mean,
when you get it away from the top five quarterbacks
in the league, people run their course in franchises.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
So Caleb Williams, I.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
Think he's a franchise quarterback. Bo Nicks absolutely a franchise quarterback.
Speaker 8 (32:30):
Okay.
Speaker 7 (32:30):
Interesting, So you like the younger guys more. You know,
we've seen Kyler for five six years now and it's
not really happening.
Speaker 8 (32:36):
One more young guy. JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
No, I've never thought he was a franchise I've never
ever bought into that No.
Speaker 3 (32:43):
I said this before the draft.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
I didn't think I My take was he didn't have
the traits I was looking for when I and I've
never been a fan of this. He's a winner means nothing.
Danny Wherfol was a winner in college. Tevo is a
winner in card That doesn't mean anything. Why he's a winner, Well,
if you play under heart of all, you're a winner always.
Speaker 5 (33:01):
How's it?
Speaker 3 (33:02):
Luck was a winner? But he has a trade.
Speaker 8 (33:04):
Yeah, how's this?
Speaker 7 (33:05):
If Dart can beat the Eagles again and sweep.
Speaker 8 (33:09):
Them, I'll give it to you. He's a franchise quarterback.
I see there's no way he's winning this.
Speaker 7 (33:13):
But he hasn't made me look foolish Chargers Broncos, So
I don't know if I'm gonna go against him again.
Final story, Colin, this is just breaking here. In the
last hour, there are reports, now I'll just leave it
at on social media that the Cowboys are making a
move on Max Crosby of the Raiders. Now, Crosby was
injured against the Chiefs. They held him out of the
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second half. It wouldn't have mattered. The Cowboys obviously traded
Micah Parsons at you know, right before the season started
and now just just a report.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
I'm not gonna Why would the Raiders give up their
best player and the soul of the franchise.
Speaker 8 (33:50):
Well, I don't know.
Speaker 7 (33:51):
Maybe because Jerry Jones does stupid deals all the time.
He lost this deal, The Micaeh Parsit trade he did
that wide receiver from Carolina was horrible. Trey Lance deal
was horrible. I mean, if you could get Jerry to
give you a first round pick for Crosby, I think
you got to take that and run, don't you.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
I I don't like giving up. I didn't feel Micaeh
was the soul of the Cowboys. I thought it was
Dak and so I don't like giving up the soul
of a franchise. And I I don't Max Crosby is
the Raiders, Michael was not the Cowboys. Dack's the Cowboys,
Jerry's the Cowboys. I yeah, I just don't get that. Well,
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I don't get it for either team. I don't get
it for you. If you're gonna sign Max, sign what
was the point of I mean, if you can.
Speaker 8 (34:36):
It doesn't really make sense.
Speaker 7 (34:37):
That being said, if the Raiders are able to get
a first for Crosby, I mean, that's elder abuse. They're
just taking advantage of Jerry Jones because there's no way,
I know, Crosby's awesome. You cannot give up a first
for Crosby after trading away Mike Go. I mean Michael
Parsons is he's rated as the number.
Speaker 8 (34:54):
One ed rusher in the league. He said he's unstoppable.
Speaker 3 (34:57):
Dallas is a great story.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
They're not a super Bowl team, right, anybody making a
big swing. That's not a super Bowl team. At the
trade deadline, you should be selling, you know, get another pick,
get a you know, I just that would be weird.
Speaker 7 (35:11):
Okay, what's the nine? I'm sorry, what if the Niners
made a move across?
Speaker 3 (35:14):
That's different?
Speaker 8 (35:15):
Yes, okay, we're on the same page.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
Yeah, I agree, that's different. J Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
Well, that's the news, and thanks for stopping that The
Herd Line News. Be sure to catch live editions of
The Herd weekdays and noon Easter nine am Pacific on
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Speaker 7 (35:35):
Last night, the Blue Jays clinched their first pennant in
thirty two years after an incredible Game seven of the ALCS.
Now they'll host a Dodgers team looking for back to
back World Series titles. Coverage of Game one of the
twenty twenty five World Series begins Friday at seven pm Eastern,
four pm Pacific on Fox.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
I think if you win as much as the Dodgers
have thirteen straight Playoff appearances and you can win back
to back, that's a dynasty.
Speaker 3 (36:04):
There was always this sense you had to win three straight.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
That feels very NBA because it was always a star
driven league. Now nobody can win back to back in
the NBA because of Adam Silver's new CBA and the
aprons and the cost to ownership. So I mean, I think,
if you're great for thirteen years and you win back
to back championship again. When I was a kid, Cincinnati
Reds won back to back. I think it was like
seventy four to seventy five or I think it was
(36:28):
those years, and they had a lot of success, but
that was considered a dynasty, the Big Red Machine. It's
still revered in baseball history. So I think the Dodgers
are going for history. It's interesting though. A month ago,
September twenty first, the Chiefs were owing to the offense
leaked Old Creaky pedestrian and kind of lost. And a
(36:50):
month ago the Dodgers were getting ready for the playoffs.
The bullpen was a mess. The starting pitchers like Snell
and blastnow you know, had missed so much of the regulars.
And a month later they're like that writer at the
Tour de France who separates on the mountain stage. When
he reappears, he's leading, heading downhill and pulling away. It
(37:11):
feels like the Chiefs and the Dodgers are playing different sports.
And I think one of the things they both do
really well. It's hard to be good. It's harder to
be great. It's hardest to keep being great. And there's
some things you can't do. You can't be stubborn, you
can't be overly prideful. You got to spot your problems
(37:32):
address them immediately. I have watched in my life so
many businesses and sports teams get in their own way.
Dodgers never do.
Speaker 3 (37:43):
They never do.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
Chiefs never do. Everybody makes mistakes outside of anonymous trolls.
Nobody is perfect, right good Gie Andrew Friedman's had draft
picks that don't work. He's made deals that don't work.
I could name them. Nobody's perfect, but the Dodgers. They
move off their mistakes, they identify, they solve, and that's
what Kansas City's done. And listen, it's not easy managing
(38:08):
the Dodgers. You got the analytics guys upstairs. The expectations
are ridiculous. You do have the best batting order since
the seventy five Reds, and Dave Roberts talked about being
second guest.
Speaker 10 (38:23):
There's always critics. Yeah, I think that we're in a
big market. We're expected to win. Our fans expect us
to win. I can't speak to what revenue we're bringing in,
but our ownership puts it back into players a big
chunk of it. That's what you want. I mean, I
(38:44):
would think that that's what sports fans want from everyone,
to get the best of their team. And I think
we do as.
Speaker 3 (38:51):
Good a job as anyone.
Speaker 1 (38:53):
I think Dave Roberts really plays the long game. Again,
I grew up with Earl Weaver and Billy Martin and
Whitey Herzog and very feisty Bobby Cox. Obviously, with the
Brave it's kind of a domineering guy. Like it's kind
of stubborn Dave Roberts. You can't be that as a
(39:13):
major league manager. You don't have the power you're used to.
The analytics department has the power, and Dave Roberts Aaron Boone.
The difference with the Yankees and the Dodgers. The Yankees
have all this money, they never solve their issues. They
just return the same GM and the same team and
the same problems. Home run dependent, can't play small ball,
don't really engineer runs, strike out too much, and not
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great defensively. The Dodgers find problems, identify them. There's no ego,
and they move off them.
Speaker 3 (39:41):
And I.
Speaker 1 (39:43):
It's just easy to say, well what about the town.
Look at Philadelphia right now? The Eagles are a stacked roster.
What is their offensive identity?
Speaker 3 (39:51):
They have none.
Speaker 1 (39:52):
It's hard, you know, Shaq and Kobe, when you've got
the two best finishers in their prime in the game,
it is hard. I mean, the Miami Heat looked like
a dynasty. We're a dynasty. Then got old really fast
and it all blew up.
Speaker 3 (40:06):
So I don't know. I just I.
Speaker 1 (40:10):
Would never go to a restaurant where I thought the
quality dipped. I like following and watching well run businesses.
I support them like I when I go into places,
I look around. Is it well run, is it quick?
Is it efficient? Is it I want to cater to
those businesses. And I watch the Dodgers and I'm always
(40:31):
im I think that the best run sports franchise in
North America. And it's not just the money, because the
Yankees have it and they don't spend it smartly and
Kansas City, to their credit, a month ago, we're looking
at that offense and we're like, it's a mess. And
all of a sudden, now it's as deep a receiving
cor as Andy Reid's ever had. I mean, they just
(40:51):
they just make stuff work. They get to work, they
solve their stuff. And I also think it's really hard
to be great because the expectation. Everybody's on their phone,
including the athletes. The athletes are on their phone, they're
reading things. The Chiefs dynasty and the Dodgers dynasty under
Andy Reid seventy two percent. I mean that is insane
(41:15):
to win seventy two percent of your games. I mean,
go look at Bill Parcell's winning percentage, and he says,
good as good at coaches we've ever had. Solve the bullpens,
solve the receiving corps. Don't let pride and ego get
in the way, identify it, solve it. Be nimble, all right.
Our three, greg Olf, the Great Greg Golfen, is around
the corner.
Speaker 3 (41:37):
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