September 16, 2020 • 39 mins
HC Mike McCarthy is trying to hard to change his brand
More on why the Big 10 is coming back
Guests: Joel Klatt, Drew Bledsoe
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absolutely loaded. The Big ten's back. Joel Clatt joins me
in about five minutes. This is the Herd. Wherever you
may be, and however you may be listening. We're on
Fox Sports Radio and we're on FS one. Joy Taylor
is here. The Miami Heat when they're opener against the Celtics.
That's going to be a six or seven gamer. The
Clippers get doused, they gag. I hate using choke, but
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that's what it looked like to me, and Lebron and
the well rested Lakers are waiting for the Denver Nuggets. Joy,
how are you? I'm great. We do have to give
the Nuggets credit, yse. I mean, obviously we were going
to focus on how bad leaves the Clippers molted down.
I don't just with Nick. It's an all time his story.
It's bad, but it is also the second round. Now
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we get to the conference finals. You see fewer and
fewer upsets in the conference finals. In the finals, it's
a nice second round win for the Nuggets. But the
story today is the Clippers. Now I want to address this.
It was not a great night for load management. It
was not. Listen, players have always missed games. They've always
missed games, and I have defended load management. People miss games.
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It wasn't called anything. Now this is where the media
is wrong. There's a lot of people in the media.
The NBA gets the most favorable pandering and I don't
know why it is, but it just does. Load management's
not good for the league. The NBA is a star
driven league. You can have your stars taking off fifteen games.
It's not good period. If Tom Brady was taking every
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other Sunday off and piss people off. I mean when
you go as a kid, when I went to watch
baseball games, they would put on the Bill Nolan Ryan
pitching tonight, like you go watch the Dodgers and Darryl
Strawberry was a Dodger or Keith R. Nandez has a
met you wanted listen. We got middle class families in
America that can pay for one game a year for
their kids. You can't have Harden and Janis and Kauai
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taking it off. It's lousy for fans. And the NBA,
more than any league, is a star driven league. So
when I was a kid and I went and watched
the Sonics and I got one game a year, my
parents were divorced, I didn't have a lot of money.
I wanted to see downtown Freddie Brown, and I wanted
to see Gus Williams. If they're not there, it ruins
the experience. And I know it's not about me. I
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get it, but it's not good for the league, especially
a star driven ling. That's why I defend James Harden
a lot. James Harden plays his but off and he
plays every night. In Russell Westbrook plays every night and
they don't take games off. And Lebron mostly plays every
night and he doesn't take a lot of games off.
I like that. I like that. That's good. It's good
for it's good for regular Americans who take their kids
the one game a year. It was a bad night
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for load management because the reality with this Doc Rivers
has a reputation. He's very He's the Joe Tory of
the NBA. He's very good with veteran players. He doesn't
drive him at practice. The problem being the chemistry was
formed in San Antonio before Kawhi got there, and it
was formed in Toronto before Kawhi got there. This team
had to form chemistry this year, and Doc Rivers needed
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to be tougher. He needed to say Lou Williams, you
can't take you can't leave the bubble for a strip club,
and Kawhi Leonard, you can't take a darn day off
in October. We got to get this chemistry thing right.
And was Doc a little too lenient and that's his DNA.
He's kind of a He is very much about take
care of the veteran players. Was he a little too
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lenient on this and he didn't create a chemistry. I
think that's a very fair criticism. Lou Williams, a guy
I respect who's been around this league a long time,
said it last night. We did have championship expectations. We
had the talent to do it. I don't think we
had the chemistry to do it. In this show, you know,
we had left on defense and offense where you know,
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I think UM guys have played in assistance where they
were expecting guys to be a certain spots offensively. Um,
a lot of different guys made adjustments and so you know,
it showed. I think that's fair and I respect Lou Williams.
The nick Wright was on this. The chemistry was not good.
Maybe this team for one year, Doc wasn't an ideal fit.
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Now next year I'm gonna guest they play the starters more.
Steve Balmer is gonna be like play. But this the
load management thing, this idea that chemistry doesn't matter. Did
you watch Denver last night? Did you have you watched Miami.
Miami's winning because of chemistry. That's why they're winning. By
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the way, Philadelphia's got more talent. Their chemistry stinks. The
Clippers have a deeper roster than Denver. Their chemistry is
not good. So in a weird way, it was good
for the NBA. Adam Silver doesn't like load management. Networks
hate it, your broadcast partners hate it. For the record,
Lebronze always understood the business of the NBA. He plays,
he plays, it matters in load management. It's just not
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good for the League. I get players missing games. I
think they should pull the schedule back. I think NBA
travel stinks. You're shown up in Cleveland off a bumpy
winter flight at two in the morning, getting a crappy van,
going to a get five hours asleep shoot around. It's terrible.
Cut the cut it down, but just the idea that
you can take twelve games off and it's all you
know good. It's not Clippers chemistry stinks. It's why they lost.
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Probably Joel Klatt now joining me. Big ten Football is
bat via the Coward Global satellite network, so the Classter listen.
Usually you and I are just I mean, we're cats
and dogs living together, but I think we're both happy
for this this morning. So you just just tell me
the Big ten's playing, Why what broke through? Why? Well,
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they got more comfortable with the medical breakthroughs. You know,
I think that you said it, Bessie. A lot of
us maybe fairly criticize the fact that they just totally
punted on the season rather than just continuing to hit
the snooze button. Right, So, for my estimation, you set
an alarm, which is a date to try to reply
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to play football, and then you hit the snooze button,
and you hit the snooze button, and you hit the
snooze button, and the Big ten kind of punted right
at the beginning, and in large part due to the
medical information. They weren't comfortable with their testing protocols. They
weren't comfortable comfortable with the information on mildcarditis, and they
got that information. Okay, so now they have what they
have always sought after, which is the information on mildcarditis
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and a testing partner where they can test every single day.
What does that actually do for you? I hear a
lot of people say, well, now they can test. Yeah,
everybody can test. But when you can test every day
and have results in fifteen minutes, here's what it does
for you. It means that if you're on the field
for practice or a game, you're negative. So the contact
tracing doesn't decimate your team when the positive tests come
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up inevitably like they will because it's a college campus,
because you know that if they were on the field,
they tested negative, so you're catching it much earlier, and
the contact tracing doesn't decimate your roster like we've seen
in some of these other areas of college football. So
you know, I said, if we end up with Clemson,
Ohio State, Alabama and you know, Oklahoma or something and
who you know, there's a lot of different ways to
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get there. These schedules are all different. Do you think
that Big ten could be at a disadvantage now because
I'm you know, they start later, or the SEC's only
got a ten game schedule. Is it harder for the committee?
Is it gonna be just one of those seasons where
we watch it but we can't take it seriously. Well,
I think that we're gonna have to take it seriously,
and I think that every game is going to mean
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a little bit more Colin, to be honest with you,
because I think that the Committee is going to be
watching intently how you play, regardless of your competition. I
think it's a really fascinating exercise to talk about what
the committee is actually going to do and what the
actual protocol is going to be for the committee. Are
they going to set a minimum number of games? That
remains to be seen from Bill Hancock, the director of
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the CFP, and it should be noted column, I think
this is maybe the most unique part. You think you
and I argue a lot, right, and we do, and
mostly I'm right and you're wrong, which is fine. But
can you imagine right now, we have a playoff that
is owned and operated by the conferences and the athletic
director at Notre Dame. Okay, so they're Schwarbuck. He's sitting there,
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and then you've got the ACC, You've got the SEC,
You've got the Big twelve, and all of them are
sitting there thinking to themselves, we just took the arrows
in the chest for pushing forward, for staying consistent with
our plans to play, in particular, when the Big Ten
punted on their season, and that made it very difficult
on us. Now, monetarily, it doesn't matter if the Big
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Ten is included or not. They're going to get the
same amount of money from ESPN for the college football Playoff.
And I don't want to make this all about money,
but I am trying to tell you that behind closed doors,
this is going to get very partisan and very nasty
as to whether the Big Ten's even going to be
allowed to compete in the playoff or not. In particular,
when it comes to the minimum number of games, they
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might say that you have to play seven games, and
then all of a sudden you get into a bumpy
road type of scenario that you talked about earlier in
the Big Ten schedule, and what if Ohio State doesn't
play the seven games? Now, I think that it's going
to be very fascinating. I don't know who's done an
advantage and who's at a disadvantage, but I do know this.
If the Big Ten is allowed to compete in the playoff,
it's going to come down to one statement that you
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and I have hated for a long time, and that's this,
They're going to take the four best teams. And it
has hurt the Big Ten at times, and now in
this season it might work to their advantage that arbitrary
statement of four best teams. If they think Ohio State's
one of the four best, they would put them in there.
You know, one of the things I said earlier, the
media too often goes into panic instead of perspective. I
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don't know how this is going to work. I don't
and I'm not going to pretend I do, but I
will say this, here's the one thing I'm absolutely about.
There are young twenty one year olds in America who
grew up in poor families who play college football and
because they're going to play. They're gonna get drafted, and
they're gonna change the arc of their families in their lives.
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And I don't want to be overly dramatic. Joe Joe
Burrow may not get drafted if last year isn't. So
the Pac twelve. Let me ask you, this is the
Pac twelve. Will they recover from not playing in five years?
Will this matter? No? I mean they are. They were
already away behind the eight ball calling. You and I
both knew it right and just competitively from a recruiting perspective,
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this is going to put them back light years. You know,
it's gonna be the power form moving forward. To be
quite honest with you, because this is going to be
used against them in recruiting. You already have seen Alabama
and Clemson dip into California and get some of the
best quarterbacks in the country. Bryce Young, we might see
him at Alabama. He comes from southern California. That's supposed
to be a usc quarterback all day long, and he's
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going to be suited up for the Crimson Tide. So
you've already seen that change in recruiting. Now this is
going to be used against them, like you can't believe,
and I think it's going to set them back light
years as it relates to competitiveness moving forward within college football.
And it should be noted it's not necessarily their fault.
Everyone wants to just blame Larry Scott in the PAC twelve.
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In the PAC twelve, it's very different than the Big
ten's decision. The Big Ten's decision was a conference decision.
In the PAC twelve, they're dealing with municipalities and governments. Yeah, California,
that's exactly right. Where these schools can't even go practice
even if they were allowed to from their conference. So
it's a very different set of rules, and that's why
you've seen a very intelligent, smart, great player. I'man ross
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Saint Brown, the wide receiver, wrote that letter, and he
didn't write it to Larry Scott, who did he write
it to Colin. He wrote it to the Governor of California,
Gavin Newsom, because it's much more of a political animal
out here in the West Coast than it is they're
in the Midwest with a Big Ten. Yeah, California tend
to think their way as oh is the right way,
and there's a lot of different ways to attack COVID.
We saw UFC running Island. NBA's got a bubble, NFL's
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got a highly regulated non bubble. I'm crossing my fingers
on this stuff. So Clatt, I watched a little college
football last weekend. Clemson looked really good to me. I
have them as the best team I've seen so far.
Clatt's top ten is Clemson, Bama, Oklahoma, Florida, Georgia, Texas, LSU, Auburn,
Notre Dame, Oklahoma State. The Big Twelve was garbage last week.
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Hold on, hold on, Oh you just said. You just
said earlier. Time out, time out, You just said earlier.
It's not the media. Media's job to panic, right, it's
to provide perspective. So while you panic, mister media member,
let me sit here and give you some perspective about
conference strength. We know three things about last weekend in
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the Big Twelve. The first thing I'm going to tell
you is that Louisiana and Arkansas State are actually really
good programs, okay, and they could go in and beat
any Power five team on any given week. In particular
with a guy like Jay Adams at wide receiver for
Arkansas State, He's an NFL caliber wide receiver. Kansas State
was down five offensive linemen from the year before, trying
to replace their defensive tackles. This stuff happens, and Kansas
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it's Kansas, Like who cares, Illinois Vandy. Those teams lose,
and we don't blame it on the SEC. The second
point is we rate the strength of a conference based
on what you are at the top, not what you
are in the middle. All Right, every single year we
see games like this, right, it was just last year
that Tennessee lost to a group of five team, Florida
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State lost to a group of five team, Illinois lost,
Missouri lost, Colorado loss, Arizona loss, Oregon State loss. It happens,
colin and we don't rate the entire conference based on that.
So these things happen. And the one thing I do know,
and this is the last point about the Big twelve,
Oklahoma and Texas looked really good. I don't care what
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competition you put out there. They looked like they were
the real deal, in part because both of their quarterbacks
look amazing. Spencer Rattler absolutely phenomenal debut for Oklahre. Yeah,
he's good, and Sam Ellinger is really good at Texas.
So if you're going to rate the conference based at
what you are at the top, the Big twelve is
going to be just fine. And the evidence I need
for that is the acc which has been garbage for years,
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but we don't talk about it. Why call in because
Clemson is at the top. So there's your perspective. Please
don't panic. Provide a little perspective, which I've just done
for you right there. All right, I got nothing else
that was pretty good. You know what, Let's keep our
arguments civil. Today it's to be a day of celebration.
I get Buckeye football and Penn State football, and I'm happy.
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I don't know how it's going to turn out. That
could be cancelations in postponements. I'm not an expert, but
today today I won't you know, hammer you that I
was like virtually perfect. Another week of predictions and there's
no reason to go there today. Let's be friends. For
last year, I came on before a Big Ten championship
game and I had not shaved, and and look at
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you here you are adopting the look. Listen, some people
age and end up looking like George Clooney. I just
happened to be one of them. I mean, that's just
the common man. Colin Cowherd. Everybody, all right, Clat, we
got football, the big ten. Clat good Sen, you're the best.
You're the best. Excited, all right, good stuff coming up next.
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can do when you age is try to act young.
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You want to age gracefully, right, You don't want to
wear skinny jeans when you're sixty because as a guy,
you've got no butt and it looks ridiculous. You don't
want to wear a s medium a two tight shirt
when you're sixty. It's okay to age gracefully. We're a
parrot Dockers collared shirt. It's all good. I mean, there's
a lot of advantages to being you know, sixty five
years old. You got a little money. Finally, you're you know,
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you moved out from your parents' house. You got control
of your life. You know, it's got grandkids, the dogs
still love you. You don't want to try to pretend
you're young. I don't want to overreact to this. But
Mike McCarthy got booted in Green Bay, and you know
the word was he was a little old school football.
Is he now wearing a S medium T shirt? Because
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I'm listening to him after the game, and he's trying
to change his brand and show everybody how much he
loves analytics. Remember the Peter King article about a year ago.
Let me read this, the Peter King article where he
started dropping all this analytical stuff and you're like, Brah,
you're wearing a S medium T shirt. You're old. Get
over it. He said. On the Peter King article, there
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was a flow chart for his proposed fourteen person football
technology department. The top analytics lieutenants will be coordinators of
database management, a coordinator of football analytics, a coordinator of
mathematical innovation. Oh good hell. Anyway, that was the Peter
King article. It was clear he was trying to change
his brand. I'm not outdated, I'm not Jurassic. After the
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Rams game, he dropped a couple of these this week,
and it sounds like he's trying too hard to sound
like mister analytical. We have a grading index that we
put a lot of time into, and so we're closer
than than you may think we are. I've never heard
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Belichick talk about a grading index. Okay, here's the second
one though, when you look at the third down breakdowns
just by the you know, the down a distant categories
based on where the rams were and where we where
we were. As far as the attempts, you know that,
you know they they performed us in efficiency of normal
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D and D, D and D. Okay, I'm not trying
to overreact. There's another gem here. It is the thing
I'm most you know, most impressed with is you know,
the fact that we came out in our first live
action and want to turnover ratio. Turnover battle is what
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everybody in the history of the world called it um.
I don't know, maybe maybe I'm overreacting, but Sean McVay
is creative and is multiple and has variable schemes and motions.
You watch the game Sunday night, you and I both
watched it, right, It wasn't like Sean McVay was doing
clever stuff. This is his offense. It's all misdirection. That
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is Sean mcvay's offense. It's multiple, it's variable, it's massive motions,
it's stuff that you don't see a lot of our
teams do. That's Matt Naggie in Chicago, that's Kyle Shanahan,
Like when you watch The Rams, this is not trying
to be clever. This is Sean McVay in the Rams
offensive DNA. Everything's got to wiggle, everything's got a different look.
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Everything's misdirection. That is not Mike McCarthy. And I understand
him wanting to change his brand and be a little
more current, But am I I'm not trying to be
mean here, But doesn't it sound like he's trying a
little too hard to sound current? Turnover ratio D and
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D talking to Peter King about his analytics and coordinator
of mathematical Innovations. I don't know. Sometimes you just gotta
grow a beard. There'll be a little gray in there,
and you just you know what. My dogs like me,
My TV works. It's okay. By the way, Ron Rivera's
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old school. Ron Rivera is old school. He lost his job,
he had four suitors within a day. Mine McCarthy lost
his sat in the basement for a year. Maybe it's
just if it's not natural, it's not who you are.
Ron Rivera's old school. Did you watch that game someday?
Did you see their second half? You don't have to
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be a tech wizard. You don't have to be Silicon
Valley tech smart to be able to motivate young alpha males.
But this feels like a little too desperate for me.
Joy with the news. No, no, this is the Herdline
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to be very careful with those skinny jeans. Gone. Didn't
that feel a little desperate? I mean, yeah, this is
And by the way, that that maybe how you talk
when you're not in front of a microphone, but when
you're in front of a microphone to the media in
the public, you don't use those terms that did Just don't. Yeah,
I mean, listen, we're we're media dorcs, so we're not
breaking down film and looking at analytics and turnover races.
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Every high school football coach watching me is like, that
is that's it's the game, don't you Guys don't know?
I mean, I'm coaching at the junior varsity level over here.
I know the game. That's not how anybody talks football.
So Kevin Stavanski said he wants Odell Beckham to have
more targets despite getting him a game high ten on Sunday,
but Baker Mayfield says he's not going to force it
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to his top receiver. I think it asking him naturally. Um.
You know, obviously you game planning, you scheme up things
to get the ball in your flamemaker's hands. Um. But
then when it comes to game time, they're gonna give
us certain looks that might take that away, they might
share you a different thing, and you gotta react to
play and just move on. It's got to come nat
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We'll see how long does something take to come naturally?
Seen comes naturally, it generally happens quickly. If it takes work,
it's not actually coming naturally. Yeah, and that doesn't mean
everything happens fast. There are relationships that take a little while. Yeah,
but that's not that's that's the opposite of coming naturally. Right,
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seventeen games now, and it's still bad. Like three catches
twenty five yards, that's just not. This is Odell Beckham
Junior twenty two yards, given them extra yards iPad. It's
the three receptions on ten targets twenty two yards. Jarvis
Landry had five receptions on six targets sixty one yards.
And by the way, if he comes out and has
twelve catches, then the question is are you are you
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are you now trying too hard to make it like
this should be a natural eight catches eighty eight yards
every Sunday. It's this is a have an a catch
relationship if you have the right quarterback, receiver conduct. I
just feel like we've been talking about this situation and
when it's gonna work since it started, and I don't
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put this on Odell and I really don't even put
it on Baker because I'm not putting ninety percent of
this Brown's circumstance on Baker. Yes, Baker played a role,
but he did walk into a completely historical dysfunctional situation.
He's had three head coaches. Fair like, this is not
all on Baker. That's that's three different systems. There's a
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lot of turnover and change be a lot for anyone
to deal with, especially a personality like Baker Mayfield. I
just don't think I'll be honest selfishly, I want O'Dell
out of Cleveland. There I said it. O'Dell is a superstar.
He needs to be in a place where he can
be a superstar. No, I agree, I think this role
I listen and it's not working. We said this from
the very beginning. He never said he wanted to be
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in Cleveland. He wanted to be in New England. And
he lives at He has a beautiful house in La.
I've had friends run into him. My friend dog left
his yard. This true story. My friend's dog got loose
in his yard. He went over the fence. Nodell Beckham
was like, hey, is this your dog? Odell's here. He
loves La, he loves New York. He goes to Paris.
Cleveland was never a natural fit. That's not a knock
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on Cleveland, No, it just it just this was never
a natural I want to be there. He wanted out
of New York and he wanted into tom Brady or
into La. And I don't necessarily think I'm with you.
The grass isn't always greener. You gotta be careful what
you wish for, every whatever cliche you want to put
on it. But I understand him wanting out of New York.
I do. But you're right, when you don't have control
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where you're going to be careful what you're asking for
in that situation. So was New York the best place
for him? Maybe you could argue, No, I mean, he's
he's dealing with Eli and now there's a lot of
turnover in New York is like they're in a complete rebuilt.
So maybe not. It's not that I'm bashing Cleveland, it
just doesn't work. So at this point, I just want
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o where where he can thrive by the way, and
you gotta rup the band aid off because it'll get worse.
What if they what if they beat Cincinnati lose the
next two, they're one and three. Now the league knows
you're desperate, and the league's not gonna give you an
exact and you're not gonna have any leverage. Yeah, so
if you beat Cincinnati and Odell has nine catches, make
the move. You got leverage. It's all good. You're not desperate.
But you go one and four and everybody in the
league's like you're a mess. You have to get rid
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of him. You have no leverage. Man, this game tomorrow night,
Big House Party def jam My plays. So Cam Newton
got fifteen carries for a game high seventy five rushing
yards on Sunday, but Cam isn't worried about how the
heavy workload will affect him going forward. The toll on
the runner is not a sane that running that so
to speak, I think quarterbacks. All a life has this
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you know, invisible rules to be able to get down
in the oaks field, whether that finished, to run as
other positions, what lots you do? I think I missed
this victoriously source billing. Other than that, I'm sure Cam
feels great and he is right. Running as a quarterback
is completely different than running as a running back. You're
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not breaking tackles, you're not getting tackled at the end
of the play. You're slide and you're getting out of bounds,
you're avoiding contact. It is harder for you know, Kinner
Murray and Russell Wilson are baseball players who slide Cam
six six, big bend six six. It's always been harder
for the big watched Ben trying to get down the
other night. Bad Listen, Aaron Rodgers is six two. He's
not good yet. It's not hell. Yeah, he looks terrible.
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It's not fluid, but fifteen carries is too much. I
understand Cam feels great right now, and I loved what
I saw from their offense, and it was great that
he still has that in his you know, toolbox, and
that they're taking advantage of it. But his mvpc's in
the average eight point two five carries per game other quarterbacks.
In Week one, he had fifteen carries, led the league
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with seventy five yards, Josh Allen had fourteen fifty seven yards,
and Kyler Murray had thirteen carries for ninety one yards.
That's that's just too much for Cam. Josh Allen and
Kyler Murray are much younger than Cam, they have not
had the injury history that he does. And when he
last played all sixteen games in twenty seventeen, he at
eight point seven Harry's for a game, so fifteen is
a lot more than that. And also, like Kyler Murray
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and Russell Wilson move, but they've also got elite receiving components,
so you can't put an extra guy in the box.
You have to double DeAndre Hopkins. With Cam not having
a deep threat, there's one more defender in the box
that's heat seeking missile to get Cam like you can't.
Kyler Murray's got one big advantage. You have to roll
coverage over on DeAndre Hopkins or he'll be a nightmare.
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That's one safety just out of the box. You don't
get that with this offense. There's no deep threat So finally,
the NBA announced they're All Rookie First Team for the
twenty nineteen twenty twenty season. Rookie of the Year John
Moran obviously made the list. He was also the only
unanimous selection. He's joined by Kendrick Nunn, Brandon Clark, Zion Williamson,
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and Eric Pastal, so pretty strong. They're obviously who expected
Zion to make the d Kendrick Nun first Team. Pat
Riley knows his talent. Tyler Hero made the Rookie All
Rookie Second Team yep, And I was on the floor
at the end of the game last night. So the
Heat have two rookies who are who are shining. And
obviously John Moran had an incredible season. John Morant really
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I like his I like his personality, how he's handled
everything and being Rookie of the Year. Kobe White's a
fun player to watch. Have you watched Kobe White at all?
I watched about four games the Bulls they shore. Kobe
White's a very interesting player. I don't know how good
he'll be, but it's funny that he made it because
I out of the draft, I'm not sure what I
was going to get from him. He's an interesting player
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for the Bulls. I really feel like when we were
just talking about this earlier, the NBA it's not quite
there with the changing of the guards the way that
it felt with the NFL and the quarterbacks last year.
But we're really starting to see the young players emerge
and come into their own and their personalities and their style,
and the teams that they're with, and the chemistry the
Celtics and the Heat Nuggets like this is is a
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bright future for the NBA. I agree Joy Taylor with
an Who's well, that's the news and thanks for stopping
by the herdline news. Drew Brees is gonna drop by
friends at Tommy Brady. Drew Bledsoe what I said, Drew Brees.
Drew Bledsoe, stopping by a couple of the old quarterbacks, looked, okay,
Tom struggled. I don't think Tom was as bad as
everybody says. I think Tom. I think week one is tough,
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and I'm gonna talk to Drew Bledsoe sort of about
you know where you're at in the season. Take me
to what guys are thinking now if you had a
really bad opening week, there is there's a difference between
the Jets bad and Tom Brady struggling. Those feel like
two different stories to me. All right, Drew Bledsow around
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Bledsoll's joining us. He's up in Montana right now. Look
at Drew Bledsoell in Montana. Good God, that is idyllic.
I just you know, if I'm gonna be here, might
as well try to look like I'm in the mountains
and yeah I'm up here and put on a tie
or anything that's right. So I'm not a huge fan
of calling out my quarterback publicly. It just doesn't sit well.
(30:25):
With me. That's why they created doors and offices. What
did you make of Bruce Arians calling out Brady pretty harshly?
You know, I think there's a there's a strategy there,
you know. I don't think he's just calling him out
just to call him out. I think you know, when
you bring in somebody as iconic as Tom Brady to
your team and he has a tough game, uh, if
you sugarcoat it, you shield it, that sends the wrong
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message to the locker room that he is now somehow
above everybody else just because of what he's done in
the past. And so, uh, you know, I don't think
that the Bruce Arians will make a habit of doing that,
and hopefully, you know, hopefully doesn't have the opportunity to
do it anymore. But I think that there was there
was a method behind that, and that was just to
send a message to the locker room that everybody's accountable. Listen,
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every year there's a really good team and they and
they just fold. It doesn't work, and it's often injury riddled.
We saw Seattle last year had cluster injuries to the
running backs. Philadelphia cluster injuries to their perimeter players. And
I'm looking at Jimmy G and San Francisco, They've run
out of wide receivers. Everybody's hurt or out, and Jimmy
Ge was not good and Kyle Shanahan was not happy
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with him, and everybody's clawber in the quarterback because we
all think Kyle's a genius and we all have questions
with Garoppolo. But I'm watching him and I'm like, well,
of course he's struggling. Everybody's out. Did you ever have
a moment in your career where you're just like, guys
get hurt, same position and you're just limited and your
game just deteriorates. Yeah, you know, and it's really really
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hard as a quarterback. So you know, you talk about,
you know, quarterback and being accurate. You know, I remember
a few years ago there was a Kimmer two. Three
years ago there was to talk about Aaron Rodgers all
of a sudden as accuracy was off and his completion
percentage was down. Well, you can only be accurate if
you know exactly where you're throwing the ball. I mean,
you know, you give me a target or you give
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you know, Jimmy G a target and he knows the
receiver is going to be there at that particular time.
You know, it's uh, you can do that and you
can be accurate, but if you're not entirely sure where
that guy's going to be because you're not familiar with
that particular guy and how he moves and how he runs,
or maybe he's not consistent in his route running, it's
it's almost impossible to be accurate if you don't know
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exactly where the guy's going to be. And so, you know,
having a cluster of injuries like that, it makes it very,
very difficult on a quarterback because in order to to
function efficiently, you got to know exactly where guys are
going to be at exactly what time they're going to
be there, so you know, if they don't get healthy,
and particularly if George Kittle's going to be hurt here
for a little bit, you know, it makes it really
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really difficult as a quarterback. Yeah, Brandon I the rookies out,
Deebo Samuel out, Jalen Hurd out for the year, Tavon
Austin hurt, George Kittle limp, limping. Sorry, folks, it's just
not easy for it. Especially in the NFL. The game
is just faster, quicker guys are moving. To Drew's point,
it disrupts everything. So go back to your rookie start.
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I thought Joe Burrow was mostly really good. I really
liked him a lot. What did you make of it?
And what was your first start? Like, I mean, you
would think he would be nervous. Well, my first start
was at in Buffalo when they were just coming off
I think it was their third Super Bowl. So I'm
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standing there playing catch and I see Bruce Smith come
down the tunnel and this he Cornelius been at come
down the tunnel, and you talk about nervous, man, I
just almost wanted to walk off the field, man, Like,
just these guys were terrifying. But you know what, I
finally settled and played a little football. And the thing
that I liked watching Joe Burrow was just how comfortable
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he looked playing right. He did not look like the
game was moving too fast for him. It didn't seem
like he was out of sorts, you know, or uncomfortable
with the speed of the game. You know, I thought that,
I really thought that he looked really good in his
first start, and I think the future is really really
bright for the kid. You know, love everything about him.
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You know we've talked about this, Drew Bledsoe joining his
fourteen NFL seasons, drafted number one overall, but the Patriots
played Parcels, Pete Carroll, Bill Belichick. You know it's funny.
So this past weekend I've been kind of critical of
Pete Carroll. Last two years, I've said, listen, I know
we all love Richard Sherman and Marshawn Lynch and Pete Carroll,
but I feel like by year two this was really
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Russell Wilson's team. But Pete's a defensive guy, old school guy,
little reluctant to take the reins off. I honestly felt
this weekend it was the first time that Pete said,
from the first play, go nine for nine, first quarter,
So go back to your career. Belichick was a defensive guy.
Parcels defensive guy, Pete Carroll defensive guy. Drew. You know this.
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You've lived in this world where hey, Drew don't lose
the game. I felt Pete Carroll this weekend, turn the
page a little, take me to what's that like being
a quarterback with a defensive coach. Yeah, it's not ideal.
I never did have an offensive head coach, which you know,
that would have been that would have been kind of
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cool to have a guy that just uh, you know,
builds around the offense first rather than the than the defense.
But ultimately, what it comes down to is every coach
ultimately wants one thing. They want to win. And you know,
for me, in my second year with Parcels, we led
the league and pass attempts with Bill Parcels, you know,
we had one game we threw it seventy times in
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one game. Um, and uh, you know it was it
was you know, he took the reins off when I
was in my second year because that was ultimately what
we needed to do to win. We were giving up
some points on defense and weren't running the ball great,
so we come out and just throw it around. Um.
I also threw a few interceptions that year, some close games.
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But that you know, with Pete, you know, pizza, smart
guy who's a great football coach, Hall of Fame football coach,
you know, and at some point you've got to realize
what you have in Russell Wilson, which is one of
the all time great quarterbacks. And the other thing that's
unique about Russ that that should give Pete some comfort
is that he doesn't make very many mistakes. He really
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doesn't turn the ball over. So that's always the risk
that defensive coaches point too, is if you throw it
a bunch, you know you're going to turn the ball over. Well,
Russ doesn't really turn the ball over very often, and
so you can you can take the reins off him
a little bit without having a huge risk attached to that.
A couple of minutes left, Oh, b J, another bad Sunday.
I've said this for about a year. It feels like
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Baker's forcing it. And I do think sometimes with a
veteran star receiver, a young quarterback feels like he's got
to feed him, he's got to take care of him.
How long would you let Obj and Baker work before
you finally said, you know what, I can get something
for all BJ. How long do you let it cook? Yeah?
You know there can be that that motivation to try
to force the ball to a guy that you know
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that has a pedigree and has been around for a while.
And hum I do get that sense a little bit
that that they're trying to a little bit too hard
to get the ball to one guy rather than just
letting the offense come to him. Uh, you know their
coordinator up there is Alex van Pelt, who was my
backup in Buffalo. He's a great guy and love him
to death. And Alex is a really no nonsense guy.
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And I think if that is truly a problem, I
would expect Alex to address that as an offensive coordinator
first and foremost. Uh. And then if somehow that doesn't
get solved, then uh, you know, then maybe you look
at doing something. But um, but you know, it's one
it's one game against you know, arguably the best defense
in the entire NFL. So um, you know, probably don't
need to jump the gun on you know, sending a
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guy packing based on one game. But if it becomes
a problem through the course of the season, I could
see something happening. Double back dot Com Great Winery Drew
Bledsoe is in the mountains. He looks rustic, he looks experienced.
It's like if if like a like a grizzly bear
ran into your picture right now, you would wrestle it
to the ground and save your small community, wouldn't you.
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That's just what you look like, right would Yeah? I think, Well,
the grizzly bears, they're scared already, so they don't even
come around anymore to them. I checked one of them Mountain,
then I sent him back into the wild to go
tell his friends, so they don't even come around here anymore.
Drew bledsoe double back, great guy, thanks buddy. You bet
fourteen NFL seasons. Yeah, I mean, I think even Drew
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kind of noted it does feel like it's just a
little bit of a forced job with OBJ. Now that said,
I've never given a blazing five pick on Thursday. I
like Cleveland a lot Thursday, like it's my favorite pick
of the week. My favorite pick of the week is
Cleveland because you know, I have this theory. I've I've
told you this joy if you take a talented team
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and they get humiliated in the NFL, this is not college.
Sometimes the team gets humiliated because they stink. Cleveland doesn't stink.
Always the first thing I look for every week, find
the talented team that was embarrassed on television. They almost
always bounced back. So I think Cincinnati this morning feels
pretty good about themselves. I mean, we lost, but it
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was club Cleveland's ticked off. Cleveland is ticked off. I'm
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absolutely loaded. The Big ten's back. Joel Clatt joins me
in about five minutes. This is the Herd. Wherever you
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is here. The Miami Heat when they're opener against the Celtics.
That's going to be a six or seven gamer. The
Clippers get doused, they gag. I hate using choke, but
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that's what it looked like to me, and Lebron and
the well rested Lakers are waiting for the Denver Nuggets. Joy,
how are you? I'm great. We do have to give
the Nuggets credit, yse. I mean, obviously we were going
to focus on how bad leaves the Clippers molted down.
I don't just with Nick. It's an all time his story.
It's bad, but it is also the second round. Now
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we get to the conference finals. You see fewer and
fewer upsets in the conference finals. In the finals, it's
a nice second round win for the Nuggets. But the
story today is the Clippers. Now I want to address this.
It was not a great night for load management. It
was not. Listen, players have always missed games. They've always
missed games, and I have defended load management. People miss games.
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It wasn't called anything. Now this is where the media
is wrong. There's a lot of people in the media.
The NBA gets the most favorable pandering and I don't
know why it is, but it just does. Load management's
not good for the league. The NBA is a star
driven league. You can have your stars taking off fifteen games.
It's not good period. If Tom Brady was taking every
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other Sunday off and piss people off. I mean when
you go as a kid, when I went to watch
baseball games, they would put on the Bill Nolan Ryan
pitching tonight, like you go watch the Dodgers and Darryl
Strawberry was a Dodger or Keith R. Nandez has a
met you wanted listen. We got middle class families in
America that can pay for one game a year for
their kids. You can't have Harden and Janis and Kauai
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taking it off. It's lousy for fans. And the NBA,
more than any league, is a star driven league. So
when I was a kid and I went and watched
the Sonics and I got one game a year, my
parents were divorced, I didn't have a lot of money.
I wanted to see downtown Freddie Brown, and I wanted
to see Gus Williams. If they're not there, it ruins
the experience. And I know it's not about me. I
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get it, but it's not good for the league, especially
a star driven ling. That's why I defend James Harden
a lot. James Harden plays his but off and he
plays every night. In Russell Westbrook plays every night and
they don't take games off. And Lebron mostly plays every
night and he doesn't take a lot of games off.
I like that. I like that. That's good. It's good
for it's good for regular Americans who take their kids
the one game a year. It was a bad night
(02:56):
for load management because the reality with this Doc Rivers
has a reputation. He's very He's the Joe Tory of
the NBA. He's very good with veteran players. He doesn't
drive him at practice. The problem being the chemistry was
formed in San Antonio before Kawhi got there, and it
was formed in Toronto before Kawhi got there. This team
had to form chemistry this year, and Doc Rivers needed
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to be tougher. He needed to say Lou Williams, you
can't take you can't leave the bubble for a strip club,
and Kawhi Leonard, you can't take a darn day off
in October. We got to get this chemistry thing right.
And was Doc a little too lenient and that's his DNA.
He's kind of a He is very much about take
care of the veteran players. Was he a little too
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lenient on this and he didn't create a chemistry. I
think that's a very fair criticism. Lou Williams, a guy
I respect who's been around this league a long time,
said it last night. We did have championship expectations. We
had the talent to do it. I don't think we
had the chemistry to do it. In this show, you know,
we had left on defense and offense where you know,
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I think UM guys have played in assistance where they
were expecting guys to be a certain spots offensively. Um,
a lot of different guys made adjustments and so you know,
it showed. I think that's fair and I respect Lou Williams.
The nick Wright was on this. The chemistry was not good.
Maybe this team for one year, Doc wasn't an ideal fit.
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Now next year I'm gonna guest they play the starters more.
Steve Balmer is gonna be like play. But this the
load management thing, this idea that chemistry doesn't matter. Did
you watch Denver last night? Did you have you watched Miami.
Miami's winning because of chemistry. That's why they're winning. By
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the way, Philadelphia's got more talent. Their chemistry stinks. The
Clippers have a deeper roster than Denver. Their chemistry is
not good. So in a weird way, it was good
for the NBA. Adam Silver doesn't like load management. Networks
hate it, your broadcast partners hate it. For the record,
Lebronze always understood the business of the NBA. He plays,
he plays, it matters in load management. It's just not
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good for the League. I get players missing games. I
think they should pull the schedule back. I think NBA
travel stinks. You're shown up in Cleveland off a bumpy
winter flight at two in the morning, getting a crappy van,
going to a get five hours asleep shoot around. It's terrible.
Cut the cut it down, but just the idea that
you can take twelve games off and it's all you
know good. It's not Clippers chemistry stinks. It's why they lost.
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Probably Joel Klatt now joining me. Big ten Football is
bat via the Coward Global satellite network, so the Classter listen.
Usually you and I are just I mean, we're cats
and dogs living together, but I think we're both happy
for this this morning. So you just just tell me
the Big ten's playing, Why what broke through? Why? Well,
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they got more comfortable with the medical breakthroughs. You know,
I think that you said it, Bessie. A lot of
us maybe fairly criticize the fact that they just totally
punted on the season rather than just continuing to hit
the snooze button. Right, So, for my estimation, you set
an alarm, which is a date to try to reply
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to play football, and then you hit the snooze button,
and you hit the snooze button, and you hit the
snooze button, and the Big ten kind of punted right
at the beginning, and in large part due to the
medical information. They weren't comfortable with their testing protocols. They
weren't comfortable comfortable with the information on mildcarditis, and they
got that information. Okay, so now they have what they
have always sought after, which is the information on mildcarditis
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and a testing partner where they can test every single day.
What does that actually do for you? I hear a
lot of people say, well, now they can test. Yeah,
everybody can test. But when you can test every day
and have results in fifteen minutes, here's what it does
for you. It means that if you're on the field
for practice or a game, you're negative. So the contact
tracing doesn't decimate your team when the positive tests come
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up inevitably like they will because it's a college campus,
because you know that if they were on the field,
they tested negative, so you're catching it much earlier, and
the contact tracing doesn't decimate your roster like we've seen
in some of these other areas of college football. So
you know, I said, if we end up with Clemson,
Ohio State, Alabama and you know, Oklahoma or something and
who you know, there's a lot of different ways to
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get there. These schedules are all different. Do you think
that Big ten could be at a disadvantage now because
I'm you know, they start later, or the SEC's only
got a ten game schedule. Is it harder for the committee?
Is it gonna be just one of those seasons where
we watch it but we can't take it seriously. Well,
I think that we're gonna have to take it seriously,
and I think that every game is going to mean
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a little bit more Colin, to be honest with you,
because I think that the Committee is going to be
watching intently how you play, regardless of your competition. I
think it's a really fascinating exercise to talk about what
the committee is actually going to do and what the
actual protocol is going to be for the committee. Are
they going to set a minimum number of games? That
remains to be seen from Bill Hancock, the director of
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the CFP, and it should be noted column, I think
this is maybe the most unique part. You think you
and I argue a lot, right, and we do, and
mostly I'm right and you're wrong, which is fine. But
can you imagine right now, we have a playoff that
is owned and operated by the conferences and the athletic
director at Notre Dame. Okay, so they're Schwarbuck. He's sitting there,
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and then you've got the ACC, You've got the SEC,
You've got the Big twelve, and all of them are
sitting there thinking to themselves, we just took the arrows
in the chest for pushing forward, for staying consistent with
our plans to play, in particular, when the Big Ten
punted on their season, and that made it very difficult
on us. Now, monetarily, it doesn't matter if the Big
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Ten is included or not. They're going to get the
same amount of money from ESPN for the college football Playoff.
And I don't want to make this all about money,
but I am trying to tell you that behind closed doors,
this is going to get very partisan and very nasty
as to whether the Big Ten's even going to be
allowed to compete in the playoff or not. In particular,
when it comes to the minimum number of games, they
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might say that you have to play seven games, and
then all of a sudden you get into a bumpy
road type of scenario that you talked about earlier in
the Big Ten schedule, and what if Ohio State doesn't
play the seven games? Now, I think that it's going
to be very fascinating. I don't know who's done an
advantage and who's at a disadvantage, but I do know this.
If the Big Ten is allowed to compete in the playoff,
it's going to come down to one statement that you
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and I have hated for a long time, and that's this,
They're going to take the four best teams. And it
has hurt the Big Ten at times, and now in
this season it might work to their advantage that arbitrary
statement of four best teams. If they think Ohio State's
one of the four best, they would put them in there.
You know, one of the things I said earlier, the
media too often goes into panic instead of perspective. I
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don't know how this is going to work. I don't
and I'm not going to pretend I do, but I
will say this, here's the one thing I'm absolutely about.
There are young twenty one year olds in America who
grew up in poor families who play college football and
because they're going to play. They're gonna get drafted, and
they're gonna change the arc of their families in their lives.
(10:16):
And I don't want to be overly dramatic. Joe Joe
Burrow may not get drafted if last year isn't. So
the Pac twelve. Let me ask you, this is the
Pac twelve. Will they recover from not playing in five years?
Will this matter? No? I mean they are. They were
already away behind the eight ball calling. You and I
both knew it right and just competitively from a recruiting perspective,
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this is going to put them back light years. You know,
it's gonna be the power form moving forward. To be
quite honest with you, because this is going to be
used against them in recruiting. You already have seen Alabama
and Clemson dip into California and get some of the
best quarterbacks in the country. Bryce Young, we might see
him at Alabama. He comes from southern California. That's supposed
to be a usc quarterback all day long, and he's
(11:01):
going to be suited up for the Crimson Tide. So
you've already seen that change in recruiting. Now this is
going to be used against them, like you can't believe,
and I think it's going to set them back light
years as it relates to competitiveness moving forward within college football.
And it should be noted it's not necessarily their fault.
Everyone wants to just blame Larry Scott in the PAC twelve.
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In the PAC twelve, it's very different than the Big
ten's decision. The Big Ten's decision was a conference decision.
In the PAC twelve, they're dealing with municipalities and governments. Yeah, California,
that's exactly right. Where these schools can't even go practice
even if they were allowed to from their conference. So
it's a very different set of rules, and that's why
you've seen a very intelligent, smart, great player. I'man ross
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Saint Brown, the wide receiver, wrote that letter, and he
didn't write it to Larry Scott, who did he write
it to Colin. He wrote it to the Governor of California,
Gavin Newsom, because it's much more of a political animal
out here in the West Coast than it is they're
in the Midwest with a Big Ten. Yeah, California tend
to think their way as oh is the right way,
and there's a lot of different ways to attack COVID.
We saw UFC running Island. NBA's got a bubble, NFL's
(12:08):
got a highly regulated non bubble. I'm crossing my fingers
on this stuff. So Clatt, I watched a little college
football last weekend. Clemson looked really good to me. I
have them as the best team I've seen so far.
Clatt's top ten is Clemson, Bama, Oklahoma, Florida, Georgia, Texas, LSU, Auburn,
Notre Dame, Oklahoma State. The Big Twelve was garbage last week.
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Hold on, hold on, Oh you just said. You just
said earlier. Time out, time out, You just said earlier.
It's not the media. Media's job to panic, right, it's
to provide perspective. So while you panic, mister media member,
let me sit here and give you some perspective about
conference strength. We know three things about last weekend in
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the Big Twelve. The first thing I'm going to tell
you is that Louisiana and Arkansas State are actually really
good programs, okay, and they could go in and beat
any Power five team on any given week. In particular
with a guy like Jay Adams at wide receiver for
Arkansas State, He's an NFL caliber wide receiver. Kansas State
was down five offensive linemen from the year before, trying
to replace their defensive tackles. This stuff happens, and Kansas
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it's Kansas, Like who cares, Illinois Vandy. Those teams lose,
and we don't blame it on the SEC. The second
point is we rate the strength of a conference based
on what you are at the top, not what you
are in the middle. All Right, every single year we
see games like this, right, it was just last year
that Tennessee lost to a group of five team, Florida
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State lost to a group of five team, Illinois lost,
Missouri lost, Colorado loss, Arizona loss, Oregon State loss. It happens,
colin and we don't rate the entire conference based on that.
So these things happen. And the one thing I do know,
and this is the last point about the Big twelve,
Oklahoma and Texas looked really good. I don't care what
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competition you put out there. They looked like they were
the real deal, in part because both of their quarterbacks
look amazing. Spencer Rattler absolutely phenomenal debut for Oklahre. Yeah,
he's good, and Sam Ellinger is really good at Texas.
So if you're going to rate the conference based at
what you are at the top, the Big twelve is
going to be just fine. And the evidence I need
for that is the acc which has been garbage for years,
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but we don't talk about it. Why call in because
Clemson is at the top. So there's your perspective. Please
don't panic. Provide a little perspective, which I've just done
for you right there. All right, I got nothing else
that was pretty good. You know what, Let's keep our
arguments civil. Today it's to be a day of celebration.
I get Buckeye football and Penn State football, and I'm happy.
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I don't know how it's going to turn out. That
could be cancelations in postponements. I'm not an expert, but
today today I won't you know, hammer you that I
was like virtually perfect. Another week of predictions and there's
no reason to go there today. Let's be friends. For
last year, I came on before a Big Ten championship
game and I had not shaved, and and look at
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you here you are adopting the look. Listen, some people
age and end up looking like George Clooney. I just
happened to be one of them. I mean, that's just
the common man. Colin Cowherd. Everybody, all right, Clat, we
got football, the big ten. Clat good Sen, you're the best.
You're the best. Excited, all right, good stuff coming up next.
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Don't try to be cool if you're not, or analytic,
if you're not. Mike McCarthy of the Cowboys, I'm talking
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can do when you age is try to act young.
(16:25):
You want to age gracefully, right, You don't want to
wear skinny jeans when you're sixty because as a guy,
you've got no butt and it looks ridiculous. You don't
want to wear a s medium a two tight shirt
when you're sixty. It's okay to age gracefully. We're a
parrot Dockers collared shirt. It's all good. I mean, there's
a lot of advantages to being you know, sixty five
years old. You got a little money. Finally, you're you know,
(16:47):
you moved out from your parents' house. You got control
of your life. You know, it's got grandkids, the dogs
still love you. You don't want to try to pretend
you're young. I don't want to overreact to this. But
Mike McCarthy got booted in Green Bay, and you know
the word was he was a little old school football.
Is he now wearing a S medium T shirt? Because
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I'm listening to him after the game, and he's trying
to change his brand and show everybody how much he
loves analytics. Remember the Peter King article about a year ago.
Let me read this, the Peter King article where he
started dropping all this analytical stuff and you're like, Brah,
you're wearing a S medium T shirt. You're old. Get
over it. He said. On the Peter King article, there
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was a flow chart for his proposed fourteen person football
technology department. The top analytics lieutenants will be coordinators of
database management, a coordinator of football analytics, a coordinator of
mathematical innovation. Oh good hell. Anyway, that was the Peter
King article. It was clear he was trying to change
his brand. I'm not outdated, I'm not Jurassic. After the
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Rams game, he dropped a couple of these this week,
and it sounds like he's trying too hard to sound
like mister analytical. We have a grading index that we
put a lot of time into, and so we're closer
than than you may think we are. I've never heard
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Belichick talk about a grading index. Okay, here's the second
one though, when you look at the third down breakdowns
just by the you know, the down a distant categories
based on where the rams were and where we where
we were. As far as the attempts, you know that,
you know they they performed us in efficiency of normal
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D and D, D and D. Okay, I'm not trying
to overreact. There's another gem here. It is the thing
I'm most you know, most impressed with is you know,
the fact that we came out in our first live
action and want to turnover ratio. Turnover battle is what
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everybody in the history of the world called it um.
I don't know, maybe maybe I'm overreacting, but Sean McVay
is creative and is multiple and has variable schemes and motions.
You watch the game Sunday night, you and I both
watched it, right, It wasn't like Sean McVay was doing
clever stuff. This is his offense. It's all misdirection. That
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is Sean mcvay's offense. It's multiple, it's variable, it's massive motions,
it's stuff that you don't see a lot of our
teams do. That's Matt Naggie in Chicago, that's Kyle Shanahan,
Like when you watch The Rams, this is not trying
to be clever. This is Sean McVay in the Rams
offensive DNA. Everything's got to wiggle, everything's got a different look.
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Everything's misdirection. That is not Mike McCarthy. And I understand
him wanting to change his brand and be a little
more current, But am I I'm not trying to be
mean here, But doesn't it sound like he's trying a
little too hard to sound current? Turnover ratio D and
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D talking to Peter King about his analytics and coordinator
of mathematical Innovations. I don't know. Sometimes you just gotta
grow a beard. There'll be a little gray in there,
and you just you know what. My dogs like me,
My TV works. It's okay. By the way, Ron Rivera's
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old school. Ron Rivera is old school. He lost his job,
he had four suitors within a day. Mine McCarthy lost
his sat in the basement for a year. Maybe it's
just if it's not natural, it's not who you are.
Ron Rivera's old school. Did you watch that game someday?
Did you see their second half? You don't have to
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be a tech wizard. You don't have to be Silicon
Valley tech smart to be able to motivate young alpha males.
But this feels like a little too desperate for me.
Joy with the news. No, no, this is the Herdline
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to be very careful with those skinny jeans. Gone. Didn't
that feel a little desperate? I mean, yeah, this is
And by the way, that that maybe how you talk
when you're not in front of a microphone, but when
you're in front of a microphone to the media in
the public, you don't use those terms that did Just don't. Yeah,
I mean, listen, we're we're media dorcs, so we're not
breaking down film and looking at analytics and turnover races.
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Every high school football coach watching me is like, that
is that's it's the game, don't you Guys don't know?
I mean, I'm coaching at the junior varsity level over here.
I know the game. That's not how anybody talks football.
So Kevin Stavanski said he wants Odell Beckham to have
more targets despite getting him a game high ten on Sunday,
but Baker Mayfield says he's not going to force it
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to his top receiver. I think it asking him naturally. Um.
You know, obviously you game planning, you scheme up things
to get the ball in your flamemaker's hands. Um. But
then when it comes to game time, they're gonna give
us certain looks that might take that away, they might
share you a different thing, and you gotta react to
play and just move on. It's got to come nat
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We'll see how long does something take to come naturally?
Seen comes naturally, it generally happens quickly. If it takes work,
it's not actually coming naturally. Yeah, and that doesn't mean
everything happens fast. There are relationships that take a little while. Yeah,
but that's not that's that's the opposite of coming naturally. Right,
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seventeen games now, and it's still bad. Like three catches
twenty five yards, that's just not. This is Odell Beckham
Junior twenty two yards, given them extra yards iPad. It's
the three receptions on ten targets twenty two yards. Jarvis
Landry had five receptions on six targets sixty one yards.
And by the way, if he comes out and has
twelve catches, then the question is are you are you
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are you now trying too hard to make it like
this should be a natural eight catches eighty eight yards
every Sunday. It's this is a have an a catch
relationship if you have the right quarterback, receiver conduct. I
just feel like we've been talking about this situation and
when it's gonna work since it started, and I don't
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put this on Odell and I really don't even put
it on Baker because I'm not putting ninety percent of
this Brown's circumstance on Baker. Yes, Baker played a role,
but he did walk into a completely historical dysfunctional situation.
He's had three head coaches. Fair like, this is not
all on Baker. That's that's three different systems. There's a
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lot of turnover and change be a lot for anyone
to deal with, especially a personality like Baker Mayfield. I
just don't think I'll be honest selfishly, I want O'Dell
out of Cleveland. There I said it. O'Dell is a superstar.
He needs to be in a place where he can
be a superstar. No, I agree, I think this role
I listen and it's not working. We said this from
the very beginning. He never said he wanted to be
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in Cleveland. He wanted to be in New England. And
he lives at He has a beautiful house in La.
I've had friends run into him. My friend dog left
his yard. This true story. My friend's dog got loose
in his yard. He went over the fence. Nodell Beckham
was like, hey, is this your dog? Odell's here. He
loves La, he loves New York. He goes to Paris.
Cleveland was never a natural fit. That's not a knock
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on Cleveland, No, it just it just this was never
a natural I want to be there. He wanted out
of New York and he wanted into tom Brady or
into La. And I don't necessarily think I'm with you.
The grass isn't always greener. You gotta be careful what
you wish for, every whatever cliche you want to put
on it. But I understand him wanting out of New York.
I do. But you're right, when you don't have control
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where you're going to be careful what you're asking for
in that situation. So was New York the best place
for him? Maybe you could argue, No, I mean, he's
he's dealing with Eli and now there's a lot of
turnover in New York is like they're in a complete rebuilt.
So maybe not. It's not that I'm bashing Cleveland, it
just doesn't work. So at this point, I just want
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o where where he can thrive by the way, and
you gotta rup the band aid off because it'll get worse.
What if they what if they beat Cincinnati lose the
next two, they're one and three. Now the league knows
you're desperate, and the league's not gonna give you an
exact and you're not gonna have any leverage. Yeah, so
if you beat Cincinnati and Odell has nine catches, make
the move. You got leverage. It's all good. You're not desperate.
But you go one and four and everybody in the
league's like you're a mess. You have to get rid
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of him. You have no leverage. Man, this game tomorrow night,
Big House Party def jam My plays. So Cam Newton
got fifteen carries for a game high seventy five rushing
yards on Sunday, but Cam isn't worried about how the
heavy workload will affect him going forward. The toll on
the runner is not a sane that running that so
to speak, I think quarterbacks. All a life has this
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you know, invisible rules to be able to get down
in the oaks field, whether that finished, to run as
other positions, what lots you do? I think I missed
this victoriously source billing. Other than that, I'm sure Cam
feels great and he is right. Running as a quarterback
is completely different than running as a running back. You're
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not breaking tackles, you're not getting tackled at the end
of the play. You're slide and you're getting out of bounds,
you're avoiding contact. It is harder for you know, Kinner
Murray and Russell Wilson are baseball players who slide Cam
six six, big bend six six. It's always been harder
for the big watched Ben trying to get down the
other night. Bad Listen, Aaron Rodgers is six two. He's
not good yet. It's not hell. Yeah, he looks terrible.
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It's not fluid, but fifteen carries is too much. I
understand Cam feels great right now, and I loved what
I saw from their offense, and it was great that
he still has that in his you know, toolbox, and
that they're taking advantage of it. But his mvpc's in
the average eight point two five carries per game other quarterbacks.
In Week one, he had fifteen carries, led the league
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with seventy five yards, Josh Allen had fourteen fifty seven yards,
and Kyler Murray had thirteen carries for ninety one yards.
That's that's just too much for Cam. Josh Allen and
Kyler Murray are much younger than Cam, they have not
had the injury history that he does. And when he
last played all sixteen games in twenty seventeen, he at
eight point seven Harry's for a game, so fifteen is
a lot more than that. And also, like Kyler Murray
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and Russell Wilson move, but they've also got elite receiving components,
so you can't put an extra guy in the box.
You have to double DeAndre Hopkins. With Cam not having
a deep threat, there's one more defender in the box
that's heat seeking missile to get Cam like you can't.
Kyler Murray's got one big advantage. You have to roll
coverage over on DeAndre Hopkins or he'll be a nightmare.
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That's one safety just out of the box. You don't
get that with this offense. There's no deep threat So finally,
the NBA announced they're All Rookie First Team for the
twenty nineteen twenty twenty season. Rookie of the Year John
Moran obviously made the list. He was also the only
unanimous selection. He's joined by Kendrick Nunn, Brandon Clark, Zion Williamson,
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and Eric Pastal, so pretty strong. They're obviously who expected
Zion to make the d Kendrick Nun first Team. Pat
Riley knows his talent. Tyler Hero made the Rookie All
Rookie Second Team yep, And I was on the floor
at the end of the game last night. So the
Heat have two rookies who are who are shining. And
obviously John Moran had an incredible season. John Morant really
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I like his I like his personality, how he's handled
everything and being Rookie of the Year. Kobe White's a
fun player to watch. Have you watched Kobe White at all?
I watched about four games the Bulls they shore. Kobe
White's a very interesting player. I don't know how good
he'll be, but it's funny that he made it because
I out of the draft, I'm not sure what I
was going to get from him. He's an interesting player
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for the Bulls. I really feel like when we were
just talking about this earlier, the NBA it's not quite
there with the changing of the guards the way that
it felt with the NFL and the quarterbacks last year.
But we're really starting to see the young players emerge
and come into their own and their personalities and their style,
and the teams that they're with, and the chemistry the
Celtics and the Heat Nuggets like this is is a
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bright future for the NBA. I agree Joy Taylor with
an Who's well, that's the news and thanks for stopping
by the herdline news. Drew Brees is gonna drop by
friends at Tommy Brady. Drew Bledsoe what I said, Drew Brees.
Drew Bledsoe, stopping by a couple of the old quarterbacks, looked, okay,
Tom struggled. I don't think Tom was as bad as
everybody says. I think Tom. I think week one is tough,
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and I'm gonna talk to Drew Bledsoe sort of about
you know where you're at in the season. Take me
to what guys are thinking now if you had a
really bad opening week, there is there's a difference between
the Jets bad and Tom Brady struggling. Those feel like
two different stories to me. All right, Drew Bledsow around
the corner. Be sure to catch live editions of The
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Bledsoll's joining us. He's up in Montana right now. Look
at Drew Bledsoell in Montana. Good God, that is idyllic.
I just you know, if I'm gonna be here, might
as well try to look like I'm in the mountains
and yeah I'm up here and put on a tie
or anything that's right. So I'm not a huge fan
of calling out my quarterback publicly. It just doesn't sit well.
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With me. That's why they created doors and offices. What
did you make of Bruce Arians calling out Brady pretty harshly?
You know, I think there's a there's a strategy there,
you know. I don't think he's just calling him out
just to call him out. I think you know, when
you bring in somebody as iconic as Tom Brady to
your team and he has a tough game, uh, if
you sugarcoat it, you shield it, that sends the wrong
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message to the locker room that he is now somehow
above everybody else just because of what he's done in
the past. And so, uh, you know, I don't think
that the Bruce Arians will make a habit of doing that,
and hopefully, you know, hopefully doesn't have the opportunity to
do it anymore. But I think that there was there
was a method behind that, and that was just to
send a message to the locker room that everybody's accountable. Listen,
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every year there's a really good team and they and
they just fold. It doesn't work, and it's often injury riddled.
We saw Seattle last year had cluster injuries to the
running backs. Philadelphia cluster injuries to their perimeter players. And
I'm looking at Jimmy G and San Francisco, They've run
out of wide receivers. Everybody's hurt or out, and Jimmy
Ge was not good and Kyle Shanahan was not happy
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with him, and everybody's clawber in the quarterback because we
all think Kyle's a genius and we all have questions
with Garoppolo. But I'm watching him and I'm like, well,
of course he's struggling. Everybody's out. Did you ever have
a moment in your career where you're just like, guys
get hurt, same position and you're just limited and your
game just deteriorates. Yeah, you know, and it's really really
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hard as a quarterback. So you know, you talk about,
you know, quarterback and being accurate. You know, I remember
a few years ago there was a Kimmer two. Three
years ago there was to talk about Aaron Rodgers all
of a sudden as accuracy was off and his completion
percentage was down. Well, you can only be accurate if
you know exactly where you're throwing the ball. I mean,
you know, you give me a target or you give
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you know, Jimmy G a target and he knows the
receiver is going to be there at that particular time.
You know, it's uh, you can do that and you
can be accurate, but if you're not entirely sure where
that guy's going to be because you're not familiar with
that particular guy and how he moves and how he runs,
or maybe he's not consistent in his route running, it's
it's almost impossible to be accurate if you don't know
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exactly where the guy's going to be. And so, you know,
having a cluster of injuries like that, it makes it very,
very difficult on a quarterback because in order to to
function efficiently, you got to know exactly where guys are
going to be at exactly what time they're going to
be there, so you know, if they don't get healthy,
and particularly if George Kittle's going to be hurt here
for a little bit, you know, it makes it really
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really difficult as a quarterback. Yeah, Brandon I the rookies out,
Deebo Samuel out, Jalen Hurd out for the year, Tavon
Austin hurt, George Kittle limp, limping. Sorry, folks, it's just
not easy for it. Especially in the NFL. The game
is just faster, quicker guys are moving. To Drew's point,
it disrupts everything. So go back to your rookie start.
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I thought Joe Burrow was mostly really good. I really
liked him a lot. What did you make of it?
And what was your first start? Like, I mean, you
would think he would be nervous. Well, my first start
was at in Buffalo when they were just coming off
I think it was their third Super Bowl. So I'm
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standing there playing catch and I see Bruce Smith come
down the tunnel and this he Cornelius been at come
down the tunnel, and you talk about nervous, man, I
just almost wanted to walk off the field, man, Like,
just these guys were terrifying. But you know what, I
finally settled and played a little football. And the thing
that I liked watching Joe Burrow was just how comfortable
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he looked playing right. He did not look like the
game was moving too fast for him. It didn't seem
like he was out of sorts, you know, or uncomfortable
with the speed of the game. You know, I thought that,
I really thought that he looked really good in his
first start, and I think the future is really really
bright for the kid. You know, love everything about him.
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You know we've talked about this, Drew Bledsoe joining his
fourteen NFL seasons, drafted number one overall, but the Patriots
played Parcels, Pete Carroll, Bill Belichick. You know it's funny.
So this past weekend I've been kind of critical of
Pete Carroll. Last two years, I've said, listen, I know
we all love Richard Sherman and Marshawn Lynch and Pete Carroll,
but I feel like by year two this was really
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Russell Wilson's team. But Pete's a defensive guy, old school guy,
little reluctant to take the reins off. I honestly felt
this weekend it was the first time that Pete said,
from the first play, go nine for nine, first quarter,
So go back to your career. Belichick was a defensive guy.
Parcels defensive guy, Pete Carroll defensive guy. Drew. You know this.
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You've lived in this world where hey, Drew don't lose
the game. I felt Pete Carroll this weekend, turn the
page a little, take me to what's that like being
a quarterback with a defensive coach. Yeah, it's not ideal.
I never did have an offensive head coach, which you know,
that would have been that would have been kind of
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cool to have a guy that just uh, you know,
builds around the offense first rather than the than the defense.
But ultimately, what it comes down to is every coach
ultimately wants one thing. They want to win. And you know,
for me, in my second year with Parcels, we led
the league and pass attempts with Bill Parcels, you know,
we had one game we threw it seventy times in
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one game. Um, and uh, you know it was it
was you know, he took the reins off when I
was in my second year because that was ultimately what
we needed to do to win. We were giving up
some points on defense and weren't running the ball great,
so we come out and just throw it around. Um.
I also threw a few interceptions that year, some close games.
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But that you know, with Pete, you know, pizza, smart
guy who's a great football coach, Hall of Fame football coach,
you know, and at some point you've got to realize
what you have in Russell Wilson, which is one of
the all time great quarterbacks. And the other thing that's
unique about Russ that that should give Pete some comfort
is that he doesn't make very many mistakes. He really
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doesn't turn the ball over. So that's always the risk
that defensive coaches point too, is if you throw it
a bunch, you know you're going to turn the ball over. Well,
Russ doesn't really turn the ball over very often, and
so you can you can take the reins off him
a little bit without having a huge risk attached to that.
A couple of minutes left, Oh, b J, another bad Sunday.
I've said this for about a year. It feels like
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Baker's forcing it. And I do think sometimes with a
veteran star receiver, a young quarterback feels like he's got
to feed him, he's got to take care of him.
How long would you let Obj and Baker work before
you finally said, you know what, I can get something
for all BJ. How long do you let it cook? Yeah?
You know there can be that that motivation to try
to force the ball to a guy that you know
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that has a pedigree and has been around for a while.
And hum I do get that sense a little bit
that that they're trying to a little bit too hard
to get the ball to one guy rather than just
letting the offense come to him. Uh, you know their
coordinator up there is Alex van Pelt, who was my
backup in Buffalo. He's a great guy and love him
to death. And Alex is a really no nonsense guy.
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And I think if that is truly a problem, I
would expect Alex to address that as an offensive coordinator
first and foremost. Uh. And then if somehow that doesn't
get solved, then uh, you know, then maybe you look
at doing something. But um, but you know, it's one
it's one game against you know, arguably the best defense
in the entire NFL. So um, you know, probably don't
need to jump the gun on you know, sending a
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guy packing based on one game. But if it becomes
a problem through the course of the season, I could
see something happening. Double back dot Com Great Winery Drew
Bledsoe is in the mountains. He looks rustic, he looks experienced.
It's like if if like a like a grizzly bear
ran into your picture right now, you would wrestle it
to the ground and save your small community, wouldn't you.
(38:13):
That's just what you look like, right would Yeah? I think, Well,
the grizzly bears, they're scared already, so they don't even
come around anymore to them. I checked one of them Mountain,
then I sent him back into the wild to go
tell his friends, so they don't even come around here anymore.
Drew bledsoe double back, great guy, thanks buddy. You bet
fourteen NFL seasons. Yeah, I mean, I think even Drew
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kind of noted it does feel like it's just a
little bit of a forced job with OBJ. Now that said,
I've never given a blazing five pick on Thursday. I
like Cleveland a lot Thursday, like it's my favorite pick
of the week. My favorite pick of the week is
Cleveland because you know, I have this theory. I've I've
told you this joy if you take a talented team
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and they get humiliated in the NFL, this is not college.
Sometimes the team gets humiliated because they stink. Cleveland doesn't stink.
Always the first thing I look for every week, find
the talented team that was embarrassed on television. They almost
always bounced back. So I think Cincinnati this morning feels
pretty good about themselves. I mean, we lost, but it
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was club Cleveland's ticked off. Cleveland is ticked off. I'm
gonna give you a Blazing five picked. I already bet it,
by the way, so I like what the Fox bet
number is? What now it started at like six, six
and a half. I already bet Cleveland. It's my best
bet of the week, so it's gonna be in my
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