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Speaker 3 (00:26):
Welcome back our number two more action packs sports news
happening seemingly every sixteen minutes. I don't know, maybe it's
just the luck of Rachel Nichols and I fill again
for Colin. There's just a lot happening now. Rachel, you
know during the show, I can't be on Twitter because
it gets in your brain and messes you up.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
And I've got this flow, yes.
Speaker 5 (00:49):
Yesterday, what would argue Twitter message with your brain at
all times?
Speaker 3 (00:51):
But yes us, less is more when it comes to
social media. Anyways, we'll have that shortly, Yogi Roth, really
good dude. Those colleges will as well as anybody. He's
coming up in like five minutes. But first I wanted
to go on a little riff about Dabo Sweeney. Now listen,
him and Colin have a checkered history. Remember after he
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won a national championship.
Speaker 4 (01:13):
He was kneedling him.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Listen, there was a moment where Dabbo was the man
in college football.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
Has he taken over for Nick Saban?
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Obviously they had Taj Boyd, and then they had Deshaun
Watson and then went Totatoe with Bam. It was an
awesome era. Enter Let's say Trevor Lawrence like they had
a great run. But then the game done changed and
this thing called the transfer portal came out of COVID
and all of a sudden boom, everybody's building their team
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in different ways.
Speaker 6 (01:45):
Now.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
As I've said multiple times here on my podcast, I'm
obsessed with team building.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
You guys don't coach my kids in youth sports. So
knowing the.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Kids and the parents through school and stuff, I know
who to avoid. I know that he's really good. He's
a nightmare at practice. And oh, by the way, his
parents are gonna be texting me about playing touff.
Speaker 4 (02:05):
I don't need that headache.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
So I'm gonna I'm gonna pass on that the transfer
portal does not totally allow you to dive deep the
way you can with recruiting.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
You can track a kid for.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
I don't know, two, three, four, five years right through middle.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
School and high school. You could get you another family.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Like the recruiting process is slow and can bear a
lot of fruit. The transfer portal is fast expensive, and
ye buyer beware with caveat emptor you don't know what
you're getting. Why is that guy leaving the team? You
could try to get info, right, he had a good
year at wherever school? Why is he looking to leave?
Is he does he want a ton of money? Did
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he be for teammates?
Speaker 6 (02:45):
You guys do?
Speaker 3 (02:46):
I own a minority owner in a Mexican soccer team
at the top league there, and I went to see
them against Leonel Messi in Miami, and I'm yucking it
up with the GM in the front office and I'm asking, oh, so,
what happened with this guy? And then you start to
find doubt the internal stuff that's not in the media.
And like, my daughter currently plays volleyball, so we've been
playing for a few years, and you know, the local coaches.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
You start talking to them.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
And they start to identify, Yeah, that kid's good, but
that the parents the kid toxic. We want the good people,
and you can't really find out who's good in the
transfer portal.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
Now there are some success stories.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
Right TCU, SMU Indiana, some of these guys pop. Dabbo
has been staunchly against it for the longest time, and
everybody's mocking him, and he's like, well I'm gonnazig when
everybody's agging.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
Okay, fair enough.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
Well he changed just to just a little this year,
just a little, And you're wondering, wonder what that's about.
And by many accounts, all those guys he drafted and
rode with, he didn't say, Oh, that guy's struggling, I'm
going to bring in a ringer from USC or whatever
to take his spot. No, you play through your struggles,
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you grow as a player in person, and you write
it out as a team. You don't have any toxic
issues in the locker room, which is you get a
lot of.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
That in the portal.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
So Dabo got a couple guys, and all of a
sudden you start looking at mock drafts and you're like,
what we how loaded is Clemson?
Speaker 6 (04:16):
Wait?
Speaker 3 (04:16):
What four of the top fifteen players in an athletic
mock draft are from Clemson?
Speaker 4 (04:22):
Are they that good? And then you look at Kate
Klubnick and.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
You're like, well, this guy, I don't know. You know,
I saw him against Texas line. I didn't totally see it.
Dabbo knows something, and I think he knows he's got
a loaded team. And there was a really interesting article
that he dove into about his thought process, and essentially
the article was asking what if he was right saying
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no to the portal, building it his way and he
wins a national championship this year. That's a fascinating topic
that I had not really thought of until you start
seeing just how stack Clemson is.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
So we're gonna bring in Yogi Roth, a law time
college football pundit.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
He was with the he's currently with the Big Ten Network.
I know Yogi personally. We had a dinner four months ago.
He's a really sharp guy. And Yogi, I'm curious, where
do you stand any end of the season on this
Clemson Dabblers Sweeney situation.
Speaker 7 (05:19):
Well, I think everybody who's in college football kind of
was curious what they're not going to play in that space.
If you go back in the history of when the
portal began, and it's not like this vast history who
struggled in it.
Speaker 6 (05:30):
Stanford wasn't going to take a bunch of players in it.
Speaker 7 (05:33):
Vanderbilt like these high academic institutions, like you couldn't just
get anybody in. But you saw that blue bloods in
college football, they threw down on this thing. Look at
Lincoln Riley in year two after kaya Williams wins the Heisman,
they rebuilt their entire offensive front in the Trensch wall
didn't necessarily work out, so you had.
Speaker 6 (05:49):
Some where it worked and somewhere it didn't.
Speaker 7 (05:52):
You rarely, if ever, have seen teams go to the
mountain top strictly through the portal.
Speaker 6 (05:58):
Now you can supplement. Ohio State was a beautiful.
Speaker 7 (06:00):
Example like that lock Weathers, will Howard, quinch On Junkins like,
there's some key players on their team last year that
came via the portal, but no team, especially upfore it
can get to the no on top. In fact, I
believe the final four teams last year in the CFP,
I think there was only one offensive lineman among the
four that came via the portal. So I think there's
something to sitting developing in the trenches. I think it's
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gonna be fascinating to see this thing plaid. If Clemson
is able to live up to preseason expectations find their
way back to the playoff, but make noise this time
in the college football playoff is well other high school
players and you know we had this dinner because it
was the Elleite eleven. I'm around the top high school
players in the country every summer. Are they willing to
come and accept that? I've got to sit and wait
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and learn. They did it back in the day when
I was coaching at SC. They clearly have done it
here at Clemson. I don't know if that's a rinse
and repeat every year, like once you get it going,
it doesn't slow down. But I think that's a really
hard thing to navigate in this era. So we'll see, like,
did they role this year with a veteran leaden team
much like the last two National championship teams did veteran
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laden because guys came back in NIL because they could
be paid like NFL players, You could argue even better
than certain NFL players. So I think as a nuanced
argument is kind of my point. I don't think you
can say as a head coach, we're going to do it.
We're not going to do it.
Speaker 6 (07:19):
We're just going to supplement.
Speaker 7 (07:20):
Like you've got to navigate this thing because you're also
navigating financial chemistry in a locker room that is real.
You're also going to navigate one hundred and five scholarships now,
which is real. Like there's a lot of I think
things that they go into. And what I respect most
about the coach of Klempson and coach Sweeney is that
he threw down and he committed to what mattered most
to him. He had clarity around what mattered most, he
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was confident in it, and then he was disciplined in
how he played it out. And now we'll see this
roster play this coming season and of course this week
and against LSU.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
So, I mean, it's a phenomenal discussion to have. And
you said something smart players now don't want to sit anymore.
What do you think changed? Was it social media? Was
it nil, a combination of both something else? Why all
of a sudden does nobody want to sit? I mean,
I remember Quinn Youwers went to Ohio State early, remember,
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got a bunch of ni own money, and then he
was like, I'm out of here, I'm leaving, and it's
like nobody wants to take any time anymore. Everybody wants
to be either a famous or a star or play instantly.
When did that change? Can you pit in point like
an era or a time?
Speaker 7 (08:26):
Well, I don't think anybody ever wanted to sit. And
I think back when I was playing. You remember Tyler
Palco from way back in the day, Like he came
in as a five star player.
Speaker 6 (08:33):
He didn't want to sit at pitt.
Speaker 7 (08:34):
You think about big time recruits, these are lit eleven
quarterbacks never wanted to I just think that now what
has happened in this sport that we all love and
I get to thankfully call a day job every day
of my life is you can dip, you can leave,
you can leave easily, you can leave without penalty, you
can leave without sitting, and you can leave knowing there's opportunity.
Speaker 6 (08:55):
And to me, I think the biggest challenge of let's
just stay on the quarterback thing for a minute.
Speaker 7 (08:59):
In high school, well, it's being developed at the greatest
rates in the history of the game.
Speaker 6 (09:03):
I think in college it's a challenge.
Speaker 7 (09:05):
Now to your point of all right, I'm going to
come in and I'm the guy, Okay, what do I
need to do if I'm the head coach and I
need to win let's just be very vanilla right now.
Speaker 6 (09:14):
I'm going to give you twelve concepts.
Speaker 7 (09:16):
Half field reads, read one defender and you're going one
to two.
Speaker 6 (09:20):
Or you're running like that.
Speaker 7 (09:22):
That's really how it starts, because you want to get
these guys on the field. You're paying high legit quarterbacks.
You're making over two million dollars. Like one point five
to me is the floor, one six, one seven, eight
with a house and a lambo. Is is reality? Like
that's just what it is. So what matters most? I'd
love that phrase. The best leaders to me and your
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reference leadership and coaching. I've done those studies too. The
best ones have clarity around the things that matter most.
So to a quarterback, you've got to give them that clarity.
Let's just look at Dante more. I think Dante Moore
is going to take the college football world by storm
starting this weekend for the Oregon Ducks. He went to UCLA,
play struggled, transferred and he sat across from me when
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he transferred and he said, I want to go sit
and learn. It takes a discipline to say, like when
I play a lah arch manning, when I play a
la Julian's saying like these guys making their first legit
starts as season opener. Dudes, they said, I want to rip.
That was us back in the day when I was
at SC. Lioner didn't play off the jump, Nope, he sat, waited,
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crushed it. John David Boody, he was the first guy
to ever leave high school early.
Speaker 6 (10:30):
We see this all the time now, he sat waited,
cut it.
Speaker 7 (10:33):
Lewis went to two Rosewaves, Mark Sanchez sat waited three years,
started one season and was a first round pick. Like
that thought process is few and far between, and I
get it because now even if you do sit, the
coach can be saying, eh, Jason hasn't played for a
couple of years, like he hasn't been in competitive environment.
Speaker 6 (10:52):
Is he rusty? Because this guy out of two lane
looks pretty sweet.
Speaker 7 (10:55):
Let me go get him. He's a three for five
thousand yards. So the advice to recruits is across the board.
You might say to your child if they were a
big time recruit, hey, go play at Southern Miss and
go kill it as a freshman.
Speaker 6 (11:08):
As a sophomore, get.
Speaker 7 (11:09):
Tape at South Dakota State wherever it might be, and
then take your jump for big money versus take big
money as a freshman, maybe get thrown into it, not
ready for it, maybe not, And now you have to
transfer and your value has decreased. So again, I just say,
it's so nuanced, which is why it's a fun conversation.
I don't think it's one way or the other when
it comes to this man. And that's what makes the
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lead eleven fun because we get to talk to these
families openly and confidentially about this is reality. When I
wrote the book Five Star QB Man, out of all
the one hundred and thirty eight quarterbacks who've been ranking
five star quarterbacks in the history of the game, only
one has ever won a Super Bowl and it was
Stafford on Team two.
Speaker 6 (11:47):
And you're thirteen. So it's never going to go as
you envision.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
Let me ask, let's dovetail that into arch Manning, who
has famously sat for a few years. A couple of years,
and Steve Spurrier came out, this was like, well, how
good is this guy? I mean, he couldn't beat out
yours when yours fell to the seventh round.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
How good is arch Manning?
Speaker 3 (12:07):
I'll ask you, do we know how good arch Manning is?
Speaker 7 (12:12):
No, I mean, you just have to be blunt about it,
like that's just the reality. We don't know how good
anybody is who hasn't played night, and we don't know
how good these teams are that aren't ranked, Like I'm
calling USC's opener this week and on a Big ten network.
They are not ranked in the top twenty five. But
what does an AP voter even know? They're not going
to practice. They didn't have a spring game, do you
know what I'm saying? So I think for Arch, do
we know that he's incredibly talented.
Speaker 6 (12:34):
Yeah, he had a really high ceiling.
Speaker 7 (12:36):
His pedigree is as good as you'll ever find in
the history of the quarterback position, at least in our lifetimes.
I go to what I trust the most, which is
Steve Sarkigan. I learned football from him in my four
years learning under him at USC. And all those guys
I just referenced that sat waded and let it rip,
they were all under his tuolage. So I think there's
something really powerful two quarterbacks who are able to just
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take a beat. I can remember a huge recruit in
LA he went and started as a true freshman, killed it
as a freshman sophomore. He finally he gets hurt and
he says to me, I think it was a sophomore season.
As he gets injured mid season, he pulls.
Speaker 6 (13:12):
Me aside after practice and he goes, God, it's so nice.
Speaker 7 (13:15):
You just take a breather, because these guys think think
of the NFL. Right, you finish your season, you go
combine pro day interviews. Are we surprised when rookie quarterbacks
hit a wall in week eight? You should it be
right because they just haven't slowed down high school recruiting
the same deal.
Speaker 6 (13:32):
You're the man. You're the man.
Speaker 7 (13:33):
You're the man, and all of a sudden, you get
to college and you should be playing. You should be
playing early. You're getting money, you're going to Classic. All
these things are happening. You're losing your id.
Speaker 6 (13:40):
Allthing can happen for the first time, and you've got to.
Speaker 7 (13:43):
Live up to like a Texas blue blood Ohio state
a usc expectation, Like we're kidding ourselves that we think
anybody can maximize their potential. They need to take a beat.
So I just love what the Manning family did. Arch
clearly was down with and Steve Sarkishan presented of you're
gonna come here, You're gonna compete.
Speaker 6 (14:01):
We're gonna sprinkle you in to some games.
Speaker 7 (14:03):
You're gonna get your opportunity, he did in his limited
starts when Quinn was injured. And then when you get
the keys to this thing, you're gonna know not just
how to make a half field read like I referenced
earlier and read one week side flat defender like, No,
you're gonna have all the keys.
Speaker 6 (14:16):
You're gonna know all of the adjustments.
Speaker 7 (14:18):
And that's why it's gonna be fun to watch because
he and Julian Sane I think are very similar in
that regard in this game this weekend, which we ever
had a better week one game, and like the history
of our time around the sport man, it's gonna be great.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
I mean, the hype for arch obviously is massive. I
am curious for Ohio State. You know, Smith probably the
best player in the country. I think if you would
argue that, but they got like a new coaching staff,
offense and defensive coordinator. I like the Buck guys in
this game. Do you have like an edge of for
either team? Obviously, Ohio State's playing a home small favorite.
Speaker 7 (14:51):
I go, I can convince myself either way. Like you
go back and I was at the semi final game,
and I think at pet Kokowski, the defensive coordinator for Texas,
Jeremy Smith didn't do much in the game.
Speaker 6 (15:00):
I wasn't going to let him. He just wasn't going
to let him. Now I get it.
Speaker 7 (15:02):
I think he was twenty four players drafted off of
those two rosters on that field that evening in Dallas,
over thirty made it to an NFL training camp. So
there are differences in terms of what we'll see this
coming Saturday. So I go back and forth of the
coordinator match. Matt Patricia. To your point, he's a new
defensive coordinator. He's done everything you could do in football.
He was a GM, he's the head coaches and OC.
He's a DC.
Speaker 6 (15:23):
Now he's at Ohio State. I called their spring game
on Big Ten Network and it.
Speaker 7 (15:27):
Looked the part is kind of my point, like Ohio
State last year.
Speaker 6 (15:31):
The pressure was crazy. It was kind of like Penn State.
Speaker 7 (15:33):
Pressure of so many returners, but the talent they didn't stop.
It was the first time I would say, Jason, that
I ever felt like somebody a team reminded me of
USC when I was coaching it because I walked out
to practice and I watched them compete, and I was like, Oh,
nothing is given, everything is earned because the competitive depth
is so real at every position. So I think we'll
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just get a classic game. And I think you've heard
both coaches say it throughout this week of just go
play the because thankfully that's not the winner loser of
this is not going to end a season. So I
want to see how guys play free and then to
nerd out, like in the situations, what are these play
callers decided to do on both sides, Whether it's Sark
going him against Patricia, you go back and forth. Ohio
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State obviously a new offensive coordinator as well in Brian
Hartline going against the aforementioned Pete Kwakowski, And then like
what a coach has decided to do in four down situations?
Speaker 6 (16:25):
Are they going to go for it? Are they going
to punt?
Speaker 8 (16:27):
Like?
Speaker 6 (16:27):
Those will be the fun parts of this game.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
You just said something that let me, oh, it was
about Brian Kelly and LSU. Hey, the loser of Ohio
State Texas is going to be fine.
Speaker 4 (16:37):
But I do.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Wonder if LSU loses to Clemson, right, Brian Kelly's had
a rough go here in openers.
Speaker 4 (16:43):
They have Florida in two weeks.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
It seems like this could get a little squirrely for
Brian Kelly. You hear a lot of negative stories about
his personality. I don't know him personally, but I was
with a guy recently who was being recruited heavily by
him at just say previous to Notre Dame, and not
a lot of nice things about Brian Kelly, and he's
starting to get beat up a little bit. Your thoughts
on if he's in trouble, forget about the buyout, just
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in trouble in general, I.
Speaker 7 (17:11):
Don't think so. I think this roster is pretty stacked.
And again I think I think the good thing in
college football. I think all the college football fans now
are saying, thankfully, we've got these great games.
Speaker 6 (17:20):
Let's keep that up.
Speaker 7 (17:22):
Let's not get to you know, games and non conference
play that don't necessarily have major stakes. So I don't
think he's in trouble in that regard now. Granted, in
the Southeast and in that conference, you lose a game
and don't read anything until you play another one and
hopefully get a win.
Speaker 6 (17:39):
Like it's always ridiculous.
Speaker 7 (17:40):
It's always absurd in terms of the expectation of the
fanfare or the fandom around it.
Speaker 6 (17:45):
And of course the dialogue flows with that. I heard you,
Rachel talking.
Speaker 7 (17:47):
About Twitter like that'll be not a place to go
to for well sourced content or news if you're an
LSU fan. And they happen to lose this coming weekend.
But I think their roster is talented. I'm a big
fan of Garrett nes Meyer and I can remember babysitting
him when he was a kid. And I go see
Doug and his family up at Washington when he was
the offensive coordinator up there, so to watch his path
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against Kate Klubnik, another guy who both of these guys
really threw down on themselves. So we want to come
on back and lead up program to a place where
a customer being it, which is playing for big time trophies.
Speaker 6 (18:20):
So I love this book.
Speaker 7 (18:21):
I think they're great examples for all the young quarterbacks
out there. And yeah, the losing coach will get a
ton of smoke, just like he did last year when
they lost to USC in Las Vegas and the opener,
But that's what you signed up for. No on's Scott Woodward,
like the athletic director at LSU.
Speaker 6 (18:36):
They're steady there. I'm not too worried about them.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
Okay, we could wrap up with Notre Dame Miami. So
Carl do you know the media loves this build up?
Tear down Carson Beck this time last year. Oh, he's
going to win the Heigtschood, He's going to be the
number one pick in twenty twenty five and didn't quite
go his way, kind of Spencer Rattler style. And then
he gets injur transfers to Miami. I think he got
the lambeau and the bag from the Hurricanes. But I
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am curious Miami, Notre Dame. I like Notre Dame going
on the road. Here your thoughts on the game can't wait.
Speaker 7 (19:06):
You know, no one Mario Cristobal watching him build this thing, right,
who doesn't remember if you're our age the Canes. And
then you look at this game and you know we've
all seen the thirty for thirty, it's going to be
awesome to watch the environment in the game. Like the
build up for these games might be better than the
games in the three games that we just referenced. Man
to be honesty because it's so big and it's going
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to be a great game. But I think Notre Dame
to me is tracking, I think under Marcus Freeman of
how he's adjusted this program to whether it's accepting more
guys in the transfer portal, whether it's just recruiting at
a higher clip. You saw that they played with a
sense of freedom last year. I mean a couple snaps
away you could argue from. I don't know if they
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were ever the better team than Ohio State, but what
a valiant comeback that they had in that game to
make it a four quarter ball game. I think Notre
Dame is tracking, but I think he's going to be
off the hook. Like the only thing that would better
if this was that the old Orange Bowl in a
place that very few of us can probably remember, but
it would just go absolutely bonkers every time the old
school early two thousand Schames would play. I hope it's
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that energy. And I think for Carson to your point,
that's the world that we're in, Like that's the nuanced
part of the portal and the nil of you are
catching like legitimately targeted negativity at you, you know, just
kind of catching strays on the back of a radio show,
like you're getting it all day long, and I get
it like sometimes you got to wear it. That's part
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of being a pseudo professional athlete, especially at the quarterback position.
But I don't know, man, I think I'll have a
big season. I think this offense, what they did last
year in Miami was really impressive, of course with cam
Warden and all the success he had in that program
at a coach Chryst Wall.
Speaker 6 (20:45):
So I think we'll get another classic, and I think
we should like.
Speaker 7 (20:47):
The more of these every week in a non conference play,
the better for the game.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
Amazing, all right, Yogi Roth, author, filmmaker, Big ten Network,
He does it all, Yogi great stuff is always thanks
a lot, buddy.
Speaker 6 (21:00):
You got it, man, that's a love thanks you say,
all right?
Speaker 3 (21:02):
Yogi Roth really knows college football has me geeked for
the weekend? Oh my gosh, three really good games. You
know what else has me geeked? Apparently there's another record
breaking NFL extension just breaking right now. We'll talk about
that next.
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College football is very excited, guys. This weekend has to
be amazing. Games cannot wait. But let's go to Rachel
Nichols with the news. Turn on the news.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
This is the Herd Line.
Speaker 5 (22:43):
News, Jason, some breaking news. This is what we promised
earlier in the hour. In Baltimore, Kyle Hamilton and the
Ravens have just agreed to a four year, one hundred
point four million dollar extension. Get this, eighty two million
of it is guarantees. The previous mark in guaranteed money
for safety forty five million to Antoine Winfield Junior.
Speaker 12 (23:06):
What in Tampa.
Speaker 5 (23:07):
So we are talking about a nearly forty million dollar
leap in guaranteed money over the previous standard.
Speaker 12 (23:14):
It's just insane.
Speaker 4 (23:15):
Why would they do that?
Speaker 12 (23:16):
Well, he's so valuable.
Speaker 5 (23:17):
Right because he's kind of a chess piece that I mean,
he can't play defensive line, but pretty much any other
position on the field they can slot him into if
they need to. I mean, you already had these guys
this Super Bowl contender. Yeah, what do you think it
does to lock a down guy like this down.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
So what do you think they're doing paying him like
a hybrid linebacker slash safety, because forty million more than
the previous record is insane. That just resets the market
for I mean, that screws a lot of teams.
Speaker 5 (23:42):
Right, I mean it's forty more million guaranteed total for
the package. It's not forty million more year, but still
it's it's a huge number. And I think it's about
four and a half million more year overall than any
other safety. So they are resetting the market that way
a little bit.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
Well, I mean I'm looking at a pro football focus.
So as a rookie, he was the top graded safety
in the league. Then he was.
Speaker 4 (24:02):
Sixth, and then he was second. So he's a superstar.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
And like he is that chess piece who can guard
Travis Kelsey yep and tackle Cemac in space. And then
if he asked the match up with a receiver, so
be it.
Speaker 11 (24:12):
You know.
Speaker 5 (24:13):
Yeah, And look, this is a team that had the
best injury luck of any defense in the NFL last year,
so you can't count on that again.
Speaker 12 (24:22):
Yeah, right, so you might need him to plug some
of those holes.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
And they went out and who did they drafted Malachi
starts the kid out of Georgia.
Speaker 4 (24:29):
So there they got two safeties.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
They're doing it differently, like people don't really invest in safety.
They do the edge rushers in the corners. Yeah, they're
going linebacker in safety. It's an interesting experiment, smart stuff.
Speaker 6 (24:40):
Right.
Speaker 12 (24:40):
Look, it's like buying a house, right.
Speaker 5 (24:42):
It doesn't have to be the price that anyone else
in the world wants to pay. It's what does one
buyer want to pay for it? Well, the Ravens want
to buy.
Speaker 4 (24:49):
Yeah on Kyle.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
So there you go.
Speaker 13 (24:51):
I like it.
Speaker 4 (24:51):
I mean, there you go.
Speaker 12 (24:53):
All right, let's say about the forty nine ers.
Speaker 5 (24:55):
You know they traded for Brian Robinson Junior earlier in
the week that added him to the backfield with the
say right now, healthy Christian McCaffrey. Those two guys have
got some reps together and Robinson has made a bold
claim about their future together in Kyle Shanahan's office.
Speaker 14 (25:15):
My job right now it's just to compliment him the
best way I can. And we're gonna be the best
duo in the league. I see opportunities for myself. No regardless,
you know, I know, no c mac gonna do his
thing you know, and I'm gonna be ready to do
my thing for sure. You know, Like I told, you know,
mister Lynch before I got here. I'm like, look, you know,
I respect you know, everybody. I respect the room, I
(25:35):
respects he Mac. But I'm a competitor. I come here
to compete.
Speaker 12 (25:40):
Best backfield duo in the game.
Speaker 4 (25:43):
I had to give that some thought.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
But listen, this guy was big time. Do you remember
him at Alabama as a senior thirteen hundred yards rushing,
fourteen touchdowns. I thought he was good in Washington. I
was surprised they moved off in my guess it's because
he wants the bag and then like we're not doing that.
Speaker 6 (25:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (25:58):
No, I mean last year, if you look, he had
a career high eight Russian touchdowns four point three yards
to carry overall in his first three NFL seasons, ty
three hundred and nineteen rush yards fifteen rushing touchdowns. So
he's got the numbers built up.
Speaker 12 (26:12):
I mean I would say that.
Speaker 5 (26:14):
Detroit, Detroit, Yes, that's the team, Tampa, Tampa. These all
have strong running back duos. But I love that he's
putting himself out there.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
Yeah, I mean, Saquon's backup is what will Shipley. Yeah, No, Detroit.
Speaker 4 (26:29):
I think you're right.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
Detroit has probably the best backfield with Montgomery and Gibbs.
Speaker 12 (26:32):
Yeah, but this.
Speaker 4 (26:33):
Is a really good one.
Speaker 12 (26:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (26:35):
I like how you're.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
Wedging a lot of former Washington or current Washington player.
Speaker 12 (26:40):
I'm just saying I do that with the jest. Say, although,
let's not bring up the Washington defense again. You've put
me done that once a show. You have to.
Speaker 5 (26:47):
It's the fight club rule of being a commander's fan.
We don't talk about defense, yes, thank you.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
Just offense. Just offense.
Speaker 12 (26:55):
It's very happy around here. All right, college football.
Speaker 5 (26:58):
You just had a great interview there, and let's talk
about Bill Belichick said to play his first game since
taking over the program, the Tar Kills both TCU Monday
Night and Jason.
Speaker 12 (27:07):
As we know, Colin is off this.
Speaker 5 (27:09):
Week, but his presence never far away. He was just
on the Joel Platt Show making an interesting comparison for
North Carolina.
Speaker 8 (27:16):
Take a listen, forty transfers. I mean, come on, I mean,
I mean, I mean Bill was hard on his first
and second round draft picks to start, like, he liked
the draft guys, sit him, learn the system, and then
play them year two, and those were like twenty four
year old guys, and you know, like Bill rarely went
(27:38):
and spent big money in free agency until like that
one of those final years.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
I don't know, it's.
Speaker 6 (27:44):
Got a Colorado feel to it.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
That's why it's so ironic.
Speaker 8 (27:48):
They're opening with TCU, which is who Dion opened with
at Colorado.
Speaker 5 (27:54):
I mean, look, Dean did some amazing things his first
year right at Colorado in terms of off the field
or around the program. Got so much more excitement there,
television presence, merch ticket sales.
Speaker 12 (28:06):
I think enrollment for the entire university.
Speaker 5 (28:09):
System went up, you know, but he was only four
and eight.
Speaker 12 (28:12):
So well, you look, it's.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
About the pump and circumstances.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
You get the record, right, yeah.
Speaker 5 (28:16):
Whatever, Well, for Belichick, I got to think the standard's
a little bit higher. I mean, there were six and
seven without him last year. So where do you think
they've got it hit in his first season for him
not to get any four?
Speaker 3 (28:28):
I mean, if they win the opener, the schedule's favorable
if they have Clemson. But I don't see why they
can't win nine games, like other than the Clemson game,
where are they.
Speaker 4 (28:37):
Going to be you know, maybe going to cal Well.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
Now they get a week off before that trip, but
it's not like there's even any brutal road trips there.
Speaker 4 (28:46):
Syracuse lost their quarterback. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
I don't see why they can't. If they go nine
and three or ten and two, that's a huge six huge,
absolutely what would be a failure?
Speaker 4 (28:57):
Five five hundreds?
Speaker 5 (28:59):
Yeah, I mean Collin's talking about in such a huge
number of transfers, can you integrate them into the team.
And then there's the off field distractions too. This is
my favorite news item of the day. Non Football Division.
Belichick and Jordan Hudson, his lovely white young girlfriend, have
filed for a trademark for the phrase gold digger, what
(29:20):
specifically tell me a new line of jewelry and gold
related products.
Speaker 4 (29:26):
Wait, come on you, it's real for.
Speaker 5 (29:29):
Other young women who might want to bag an NFL
coach fifty.
Speaker 12 (29:32):
Years older than them. She's got the jewelry for you.
Speaker 4 (29:35):
Ju Wait, it's a joint They filed it jointly.
Speaker 5 (29:38):
Well, so he now has a company that she is
I believe the president of, or some you know, the
management of, and that company under her has filed for
the trademark gold digger, and you have to file sort
of what you want that expression for, right, You can't
just trademark gold digger in general, it's been around for
great exactly, but they are the first people to trade
(30:00):
get to and trademark for a jewelry line.
Speaker 12 (30:03):
And you know it would.
Speaker 5 (30:05):
Appeal to the young woman who might want to be.
Speaker 12 (30:08):
A gold digger. I guess I don't know.
Speaker 4 (30:09):
Wait, so you're choosing your words careful.
Speaker 12 (30:11):
I am take a deeper recoize.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
I want to hear your real thoughts because I feel
like you're about to unload. Listen, So how many how
many houses did he buy this one?
Speaker 12 (30:20):
I think it was three, so festing.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
And now he's helping her get gold jewelry.
Speaker 5 (30:24):
I mean, there's there's been a whole bunch of sort
of side projects that she's financially been benefiting from.
Speaker 12 (30:29):
Here.
Speaker 5 (30:29):
Her argument would be that she is leading a charge
business wise for him, since he's him her.
Speaker 12 (30:36):
Well again, she.
Speaker 5 (30:37):
Would argue, yeah, so it's actually happening.
Speaker 12 (30:40):
Might be a different story, That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (30:43):
I don't I don't know anybody who knows anybody in
a similar situation with a fifty year age gap.
Speaker 4 (30:49):
I don't there can't be a lot of that.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
But at what point did the Belichick family have to
be like, we need to call what's it called when
you call? Like the family in and surprise intervention?
Speaker 4 (30:58):
Intervention?
Speaker 3 (30:59):
Yeah? Could I not remember? I have Dylan McKay from
Nino Tuoto in my head for some reason, the Nino
Tuoto intervention from thirty years ago anywhere.
Speaker 12 (31:06):
And Donna Martin graduates.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
Yes, yes, classic. I just at some point do they
have to like get him in and be like, yo, Bill,
I know you you're what is it the saying you
can't read the in you can't read the bottle label
from inside the bottle. He's like inside this thing and
he doesn't really see what's going on. And Julian Edelman
(31:28):
pops in here sometimes and I'm not going to say
his stuff, but.
Speaker 4 (31:32):
You know, off air, he's definitely talked about this story.
I'll just leave it at that. And this is a
tough one, man.
Speaker 5 (31:40):
There's there's certainly been reporting without specific quotes coming from
family and friends, but there has been reporting with people
with well placed sources who have known these either high
ranking Patriots players or family members for a long time,
saying that there is concern. I mean, look, even once
you just first came on the scene, there's the huge
age difference, as you said.
Speaker 12 (31:59):
Nearly fifty years.
Speaker 5 (32:01):
Her mom is a sex shop owner. Great, the dad
is a retired fisherman.
Speaker 12 (32:07):
It's just the whole, you know.
Speaker 5 (32:08):
She, as you pointed out the other day, graduated from
cosmetology school as her qualification to run this business. So
there is to say there's some concerns as an understatement.
But look, Belichick, he clearly seems very happy.
Speaker 4 (32:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
Listen, if they get smashed by what TC, Let's say
say they lose thirty eight ten, Oh boy, that's gonna
get tough for Bill. Yeah, because the obvious where's his focus?
He's always he's filing trademarks. You're going to where's the
football part? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (32:37):
That Monday night? You said Monday eight o'clock. Oh boy,
that's it.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
I need to make check the calendar and make sure
I put that in. So I'm not anywhere no basketball
or Monday night.
Speaker 5 (32:48):
I don't like to quote Kanye these days, but you
know the lines holes I hate West.
Speaker 4 (32:53):
I forgot about that.
Speaker 12 (32:54):
I'm not saying she's a gold digger.
Speaker 4 (32:55):
Ye oh, oh, we're still live on air.
Speaker 3 (32:59):
Rachel, Oh my god, oh damn okay, Rachel with the news.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
Well that's the news and thanks for stopping by the Herd.
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Jason, you're excited. I'm excited.
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this circle the arch Manning era kicking off with a
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Speaker 3 (35:15):
All Right, I gotta be careful with Caleb Williams.
Speaker 4 (35:23):
I don't want to.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
Say he's fragile at the moment, but the guys had
a lot going on.
Speaker 4 (35:31):
Rough rookie year.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
There were reports that like he was watching film by himself,
Like it's just it was not a good introduction to
the NFL. He took sixty eight sacks last year with
tracks with what happened to him at USC his final year.
Speaker 4 (35:46):
He's just trying to play backyard football, you.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
Know, just run around and try to make a play
Like that doesn't work in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (35:51):
It just doesn't.
Speaker 3 (35:52):
You need to be sorry, brock perty drop back process
and fire away, like you gotta do that. Now you
can say, hey, party had Shanahan. This guy had a
clown car of coaches. Okay, fine, enter Ben Johnson. Well,
I'm gonna be real with you, guys. I know Ben
Johnson was one of the most highly acclaimed offensive coordinators
in the last fifteen years.
Speaker 4 (36:14):
He's certainly up.
Speaker 3 (36:15):
There in rarefied air. He was amazing in Detroit. We
don't know what he's like as a head coach. And
I mean, listen, he's doing these radio interviews, he's going
to the podium, and I don't see a lot of positivity.
So here's Ben Johnson on six seventy the score in
Chicago this week talking about the development of Killabilliams.
Speaker 13 (36:36):
The standard has been set, the bar has been set high.
He has said that he wants to be not just
one of the best top five quarterbacks in this league,
but he wants to have a legacy that lasts for
a long time. And so we're coaching him that way.
We're approaching it that way. That's not going to change.
Is he going to be a finished product here year
two now. He's going to continue to get better year
(36:57):
in and year out, and and it's a process. And
so we're very clear on that. You know, there is
a little bit of great here as we as we
go through it. We know he's learning, he's gonna take
his bumps. But at the same time, as long as
we're not making the same mistake twice, we're gonna be
right on track and we'll be just fine.
Speaker 3 (37:15):
I don't know, guy, as long as we're not making
the same mistake twice. That sounds like a message to Caleb, like, dude,
you keep making the same mistake over and over and again.
Maybe I'm becoming body language guy or parsing words. Because
we're now going on nine months without football. That kind
of thing happened on nine but close to nine months.
And I want Caleb to succeed. But guys, look at
(37:37):
like the last six years, look at how many elite
top ten picks I've just totally flopped. I mean, Trey
lance Is on how it has been on how many teams,
Zach Wilson, these guys were.
Speaker 4 (37:47):
Top five picks.
Speaker 3 (37:48):
Bryce young Is, I don't want to say borrowed time,
but like, if he doesn't deliver, he's gonna be done.
Baker Mayfield founce around the league after a few years
in Cleveland, Like a lot of the top picks.
Speaker 4 (38:00):
Don't pan out.
Speaker 3 (38:01):
Maybe it's not gonna be until stop two. Then you
add on this seth Wickersham book seth Wickersham, close to
Caleb Williams, did a book on quarterbacks, and none of
that stuff sounds good at all. Caleb and his family
clearly had wanted nothing to do with Chicago. They don't
know how to deal with quarterbacks there. They just have
never had a great quarterback. Who's the best quarterback in
(38:23):
Chicago Bear's recent history, Rex Grugzman, you have to go
back to Jim McMahon in the eighties. So like I mean,
I get it, but you add all this stuff up
the pressure of Chicago.
Speaker 4 (38:35):
Listen, if he was in Jacksonville, nobody cares.
Speaker 3 (38:37):
There's no media there, no media crush descending. And now
you've got a reporter, like an actual guy who covers
the team, saying Caleb is in danger of being benched
early in the season.
Speaker 4 (38:50):
That doesn't happen.
Speaker 3 (38:51):
Here's Steve Weisch's last hour on our show, talking about
tough love maybe between Caleb and Ben Johnson.
Speaker 15 (38:59):
I didn't see Bill Belichick ever very happy. I know
Andy Reid's a nice guy, but he's not the most
jovial dude.
Speaker 3 (39:07):
Things.
Speaker 15 (39:08):
So, you know, in terms of how guys appear at
the press conference, I don't really know, you know, having
been in these situations. It's like the meeting rooms and stuff.
If a coach is like glazing you up or are
beating you down in front of the team in the
meeting rooms and really humiliating you in front of your peers,
that's where things really tend to ruffle feathers now. Some guys,
you know, get bent out of see it by what
you said.
Speaker 6 (39:27):
In the media.
Speaker 15 (39:29):
But and I don't know Ben Johnson, I've been around him,
but he's just an intense guy. There are intense coach
you've been around Sean McVay, that dude never relaxes. Now
he is kind of captain positive. But you know, there's
just different coaches with different styles.
Speaker 3 (39:47):
I think there's a quote phrase publicly criticize privately or
something like that.
Speaker 12 (39:54):
Damn it.
Speaker 3 (39:54):
I wish i'd re memorize that. But I don't hear
a lot of pray from Ben Johnson. He doesn't seem happy,
and again, Jay, you're over exaggerating. But to Steve's point
about Belichick, I mean we've read stories for years about
how in the film room with the quarterbacks, he would say,
(40:14):
look at Tom Batch, this drow, I can get the
local quarterback from Foxborough High School to come out and
make that throw. He would say that about Brady. Now,
Brady ate it up and it drove him to be
better right and thrive as a superstar.
Speaker 4 (40:27):
But remember Giselle, the ex wife.
Speaker 3 (40:30):
She was getting ticked off, and there's reports, you know, hey,
Bell's got to lay off Tom.
Speaker 4 (40:34):
I mean that's public.
Speaker 3 (40:35):
So there's a lot of different ways. When I hear
this relationship about Caleb and Ben, I think to my kids,
and Rachel obviously, you know, you have kids and we're
both you.
Speaker 4 (40:45):
Know, dealing with the kids that are growing up.
Speaker 3 (40:48):
And I don't.
Speaker 4 (40:49):
Want to call Caleb Williams a kid, but he's a
young guy.
Speaker 6 (40:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (40:52):
I mean, look, also, Ben Johnson, I have faith in
him of how he's going to do as a head coach.
I think there's just a lot of crossover with being
an OC. But he is very precise. The reason we
call him the mad Scientist is because he concocts these
very specific plays and.
Speaker 12 (41:09):
Very specific offensive sets.
Speaker 5 (41:10):
So the idea that someone like Caleb, who right now
is much more improvisational, probably drives him crazy a little
bit in a way that isn't necessarily Caleb Williams's fault,
but it's just a clash of styles that is probably
adding to the fact that, as he himself pointed out,
Caleb is far from a finished product. And I thought
it was very interesting. I don't know what you thought
(41:31):
that he held Caleb Williams out of the first week
preseason game, and it almost seemed like, from reading between
the lines of what he said, he said a version
of a nicer version of it'd be more embarrassing for
him to go out there and failed than to be benched,
even though there was a lot of fervor around the
fact that he wasn't playing and a lot of people
accusing saying, oh, he must be terrible.
Speaker 12 (41:53):
Oh you know. Clearly Ben Johnson thought.
Speaker 5 (41:57):
That level of criticism was better than the little criticism
he would have got if he had already if he
had actually got on and played. So this is all
kind of swirling together.
Speaker 3 (42:05):
And we saw the one video of Caleb unable to
throw it into a net from like what five feet away? Yeah,
that goes viral. People are crushing the kid. Can you
imagine if in week one of the preseason he vomits
all over himself and it's like, oh, but you know,
we talked about it this morning. If memory serves, Jared
Goff started out horribly with the Rams. Now he had
(42:26):
Jeff Fisher, who was the other Oh, Eli Manning with
the Giants had tough, terrible go look at the stats
in this first year. Yeah, he was like boot off
the field in New York and they were like, oh,
you've ruined Eli Manning.
Speaker 4 (42:38):
These guys are tough and mentally they can bounce back.
Speaker 5 (42:41):
Yeah, I mean William Williams has plenty of talent. There's
a reason he went where he did in the draft right,
and so much in professional sports, it's about that matchup
of fit right. Are you with the right coach at
the right time in your career? Are there the right
players around you? Talked about Jaden Daniels getting those vets
around him and why Washington thought that was so important.
Speaker 12 (43:00):
With a guy like Cale Williams.
Speaker 5 (43:02):
I think a big part of it is, is this
fit right with Ben Johnson.
Speaker 3 (43:05):
We're gonna find out, probably sooner than later. Coming up
Final Hour, breaking news out of Kansas City and Brock
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just the luck of Rachel Nichols and I fill again
for Colin. There's just a lot happening now. Rachel, you
know during the show, I can't be on Twitter because
it gets in your brain and messes you up.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
And I've got this flow, yes.
Speaker 5 (00:49):
Yesterday, what would argue Twitter message with your brain at
all times?
Speaker 3 (00:51):
But yes us, less is more when it comes to
social media. Anyways, we'll have that shortly, Yogi Roth, really
good dude. Those colleges will as well as anybody. He's
coming up in like five minutes. But first I wanted
to go on a little riff about Dabo Sweeney. Now listen,
him and Colin have a checkered history. Remember after he
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won a national championship.
Speaker 4 (01:13):
He was kneedling him.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Listen, there was a moment where Dabbo was the man
in college football.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
Has he taken over for Nick Saban?
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Obviously they had Taj Boyd, and then they had Deshaun
Watson and then went Totatoe with Bam. It was an
awesome era. Enter Let's say Trevor Lawrence like they had
a great run. But then the game done changed and
this thing called the transfer portal came out of COVID
and all of a sudden boom, everybody's building their team
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in different ways.
Speaker 6 (01:45):
Now.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
As I've said multiple times here on my podcast, I'm
obsessed with team building.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
You guys don't coach my kids in youth sports. So
knowing the.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Kids and the parents through school and stuff, I know
who to avoid. I know that he's really good. He's
a nightmare at practice. And oh, by the way, his
parents are gonna be texting me about playing touff.
Speaker 4 (02:05):
I don't need that headache.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
So I'm gonna I'm gonna pass on that the transfer
portal does not totally allow you to dive deep the
way you can with recruiting.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
You can track a kid for.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
I don't know, two, three, four, five years right through middle.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
School and high school. You could get you another family.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Like the recruiting process is slow and can bear a
lot of fruit. The transfer portal is fast expensive, and
ye buyer beware with caveat emptor you don't know what
you're getting. Why is that guy leaving the team? You
could try to get info, right, he had a good
year at wherever school? Why is he looking to leave?
Is he does he want a ton of money? Did
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he be for teammates?
Speaker 6 (02:45):
You guys do?
Speaker 3 (02:46):
I own a minority owner in a Mexican soccer team
at the top league there, and I went to see
them against Leonel Messi in Miami, and I'm yucking it
up with the GM in the front office and I'm asking, oh, so,
what happened with this guy? And then you start to
find doubt the internal stuff that's not in the media.
And like, my daughter currently plays volleyball, so we've been
playing for a few years, and you know, the local coaches.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
You start talking to them.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
And they start to identify, Yeah, that kid's good, but
that the parents the kid toxic. We want the good people,
and you can't really find out who's good in the
transfer portal.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
Now there are some success stories.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
Right TCU, SMU Indiana, some of these guys pop. Dabbo
has been staunchly against it for the longest time, and
everybody's mocking him, and he's like, well I'm gonnazig when
everybody's agging.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
Okay, fair enough.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
Well he changed just to just a little this year,
just a little, And you're wondering, wonder what that's about.
And by many accounts, all those guys he drafted and
rode with, he didn't say, Oh, that guy's struggling, I'm
going to bring in a ringer from USC or whatever
to take his spot. No, you play through your struggles,
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you grow as a player in person, and you write
it out as a team. You don't have any toxic
issues in the locker room, which is you get a
lot of.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
That in the portal.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
So Dabo got a couple guys, and all of a
sudden you start looking at mock drafts and you're like,
what we how loaded is Clemson?
Speaker 6 (04:16):
Wait?
Speaker 3 (04:16):
What four of the top fifteen players in an athletic
mock draft are from Clemson?
Speaker 4 (04:22):
Are they that good? And then you look at Kate
Klubnick and.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
You're like, well, this guy, I don't know. You know,
I saw him against Texas line. I didn't totally see it.
Dabbo knows something, and I think he knows he's got
a loaded team. And there was a really interesting article
that he dove into about his thought process, and essentially
the article was asking what if he was right saying
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no to the portal, building it his way and he
wins a national championship this year. That's a fascinating topic
that I had not really thought of until you start
seeing just how stack Clemson is.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
So we're gonna bring in Yogi Roth, a law time
college football pundit.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
He was with the he's currently with the Big Ten Network.
I know Yogi personally. We had a dinner four months ago.
He's a really sharp guy. And Yogi, I'm curious, where
do you stand any end of the season on this
Clemson Dabblers Sweeney situation.
Speaker 7 (05:19):
Well, I think everybody who's in college football kind of
was curious what they're not going to play in that space.
If you go back in the history of when the
portal began, and it's not like this vast history who
struggled in it.
Speaker 6 (05:30):
Stanford wasn't going to take a bunch of players in it.
Speaker 7 (05:33):
Vanderbilt like these high academic institutions, like you couldn't just
get anybody in. But you saw that blue bloods in
college football, they threw down on this thing. Look at
Lincoln Riley in year two after kaya Williams wins the Heisman,
they rebuilt their entire offensive front in the Trensch wall
didn't necessarily work out, so you had.
Speaker 6 (05:49):
Some where it worked and somewhere it didn't.
Speaker 7 (05:52):
You rarely, if ever, have seen teams go to the
mountain top strictly through the portal.
Speaker 6 (05:58):
Now you can supplement. Ohio State was a beautiful.
Speaker 7 (06:00):
Example like that lock Weathers, will Howard, quinch On Junkins like,
there's some key players on their team last year that
came via the portal, but no team, especially upfore it
can get to the no on top. In fact, I
believe the final four teams last year in the CFP,
I think there was only one offensive lineman among the
four that came via the portal. So I think there's
something to sitting developing in the trenches. I think it's
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gonna be fascinating to see this thing plaid. If Clemson
is able to live up to preseason expectations find their
way back to the playoff, but make noise this time
in the college football playoff is well other high school
players and you know we had this dinner because it
was the Elleite eleven. I'm around the top high school
players in the country every summer. Are they willing to
come and accept that? I've got to sit and wait
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and learn. They did it back in the day when
I was coaching at SC. They clearly have done it
here at Clemson. I don't know if that's a rinse
and repeat every year, like once you get it going,
it doesn't slow down. But I think that's a really
hard thing to navigate in this era. So we'll see, like,
did they role this year with a veteran leaden team
much like the last two National championship teams did veteran
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laden because guys came back in NIL because they could
be paid like NFL players, You could argue even better
than certain NFL players. So I think as a nuanced
argument is kind of my point. I don't think you
can say as a head coach, we're going to do it.
We're not going to do it.
Speaker 6 (07:19):
We're just going to supplement.
Speaker 7 (07:20):
Like you've got to navigate this thing because you're also
navigating financial chemistry in a locker room that is real.
You're also going to navigate one hundred and five scholarships now,
which is real. Like there's a lot of I think
things that they go into. And what I respect most
about the coach of Klempson and coach Sweeney is that
he threw down and he committed to what mattered most
to him. He had clarity around what mattered most, he
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was confident in it, and then he was disciplined in
how he played it out. And now we'll see this
roster play this coming season and of course this week
and against LSU.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
So, I mean, it's a phenomenal discussion to have. And
you said something smart players now don't want to sit anymore.
What do you think changed? Was it social media? Was
it nil, a combination of both something else? Why all
of a sudden does nobody want to sit? I mean,
I remember Quinn Youwers went to Ohio State early, remember,
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got a bunch of ni own money, and then he
was like, I'm out of here, I'm leaving, and it's
like nobody wants to take any time anymore. Everybody wants
to be either a famous or a star or play instantly.
When did that change? Can you pit in point like
an era or a time?
Speaker 7 (08:26):
Well, I don't think anybody ever wanted to sit. And
I think back when I was playing. You remember Tyler
Palco from way back in the day, Like he came
in as a five star player.
Speaker 6 (08:33):
He didn't want to sit at pitt.
Speaker 7 (08:34):
You think about big time recruits, these are lit eleven
quarterbacks never wanted to I just think that now what
has happened in this sport that we all love and
I get to thankfully call a day job every day
of my life is you can dip, you can leave,
you can leave easily, you can leave without penalty, you
can leave without sitting, and you can leave knowing there's opportunity.
Speaker 6 (08:55):
And to me, I think the biggest challenge of let's
just stay on the quarterback thing for a minute.
Speaker 7 (08:59):
In high school, well, it's being developed at the greatest
rates in the history of the game.
Speaker 6 (09:03):
I think in college it's a challenge.
Speaker 7 (09:05):
Now to your point of all right, I'm going to
come in and I'm the guy, Okay, what do I
need to do if I'm the head coach and I
need to win let's just be very vanilla right now.
Speaker 6 (09:14):
I'm going to give you twelve concepts.
Speaker 7 (09:16):
Half field reads, read one defender and you're going one
to two.
Speaker 6 (09:20):
Or you're running like that.
Speaker 7 (09:22):
That's really how it starts, because you want to get
these guys on the field. You're paying high legit quarterbacks.
You're making over two million dollars. Like one point five
to me is the floor, one six, one seven, eight
with a house and a lambo. Is is reality? Like
that's just what it is. So what matters most? I'd
love that phrase. The best leaders to me and your
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reference leadership and coaching. I've done those studies too. The
best ones have clarity around the things that matter most.
So to a quarterback, you've got to give them that clarity.
Let's just look at Dante more. I think Dante Moore
is going to take the college football world by storm
starting this weekend for the Oregon Ducks. He went to UCLA,
play struggled, transferred and he sat across from me when
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he transferred and he said, I want to go sit
and learn. It takes a discipline to say, like when
I play a lah arch manning, when I play a
la Julian's saying like these guys making their first legit
starts as season opener. Dudes, they said, I want to rip.
That was us back in the day when I was
at SC. Lioner didn't play off the jump, Nope, he sat, waited,
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crushed it. John David Boody, he was the first guy
to ever leave high school early.
Speaker 6 (10:30):
We see this all the time now, he sat waited,
cut it.
Speaker 7 (10:33):
Lewis went to two Rosewaves, Mark Sanchez sat waited three years,
started one season and was a first round pick. Like
that thought process is few and far between, and I
get it because now even if you do sit, the
coach can be saying, eh, Jason hasn't played for a
couple of years, like he hasn't been in competitive environment.
Speaker 6 (10:52):
Is he rusty? Because this guy out of two lane
looks pretty sweet.
Speaker 7 (10:55):
Let me go get him. He's a three for five
thousand yards. So the advice to recruits is across the board.
You might say to your child if they were a
big time recruit, hey, go play at Southern Miss and
go kill it as a freshman.
Speaker 6 (11:08):
As a sophomore, get.
Speaker 7 (11:09):
Tape at South Dakota State wherever it might be, and
then take your jump for big money versus take big
money as a freshman, maybe get thrown into it, not
ready for it, maybe not, And now you have to
transfer and your value has decreased. So again, I just say,
it's so nuanced, which is why it's a fun conversation.
I don't think it's one way or the other when
it comes to this man. And that's what makes the
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lead eleven fun because we get to talk to these
families openly and confidentially about this is reality. When I
wrote the book Five Star QB Man, out of all
the one hundred and thirty eight quarterbacks who've been ranking
five star quarterbacks in the history of the game, only
one has ever won a Super Bowl and it was
Stafford on Team two.
Speaker 6 (11:47):
And you're thirteen. So it's never going to go as
you envision.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
Let me ask, let's dovetail that into arch Manning, who
has famously sat for a few years. A couple of years,
and Steve Spurrier came out, this was like, well, how
good is this guy? I mean, he couldn't beat out
yours when yours fell to the seventh round.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
How good is arch Manning?
Speaker 3 (12:07):
I'll ask you, do we know how good arch Manning is?
Speaker 7 (12:12):
No, I mean, you just have to be blunt about it,
like that's just the reality. We don't know how good
anybody is who hasn't played night, and we don't know
how good these teams are that aren't ranked, Like I'm
calling USC's opener this week and on a Big ten network.
They are not ranked in the top twenty five. But
what does an AP voter even know? They're not going
to practice. They didn't have a spring game, do you
know what I'm saying? So I think for Arch, do
we know that he's incredibly talented.
Speaker 6 (12:34):
Yeah, he had a really high ceiling.
Speaker 7 (12:36):
His pedigree is as good as you'll ever find in
the history of the quarterback position, at least in our lifetimes.
I go to what I trust the most, which is
Steve Sarkigan. I learned football from him in my four
years learning under him at USC. And all those guys
I just referenced that sat waded and let it rip,
they were all under his tuolage. So I think there's
something really powerful two quarterbacks who are able to just
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take a beat. I can remember a huge recruit in
LA he went and started as a true freshman, killed it
as a freshman sophomore. He finally he gets hurt and
he says to me, I think it was a sophomore season.
As he gets injured mid season, he pulls.
Speaker 6 (13:12):
Me aside after practice and he goes, God, it's so nice.
Speaker 7 (13:15):
You just take a breather, because these guys think think
of the NFL. Right, you finish your season, you go
combine pro day interviews. Are we surprised when rookie quarterbacks
hit a wall in week eight? You should it be
right because they just haven't slowed down high school recruiting
the same deal.
Speaker 6 (13:32):
You're the man. You're the man.
Speaker 7 (13:33):
You're the man, and all of a sudden, you get
to college and you should be playing. You should be
playing early. You're getting money, you're going to Classic. All
these things are happening. You're losing your id.
Speaker 6 (13:40):
Allthing can happen for the first time, and you've got to.
Speaker 7 (13:43):
Live up to like a Texas blue blood Ohio state
a usc expectation, Like we're kidding ourselves that we think
anybody can maximize their potential. They need to take a beat.
So I just love what the Manning family did. Arch
clearly was down with and Steve Sarkishan presented of you're
gonna come here, You're gonna compete.
Speaker 6 (14:01):
We're gonna sprinkle you in to some games.
Speaker 7 (14:03):
You're gonna get your opportunity, he did in his limited
starts when Quinn was injured. And then when you get
the keys to this thing, you're gonna know not just
how to make a half field read like I referenced
earlier and read one week side flat defender like, No,
you're gonna have all the keys.
Speaker 6 (14:16):
You're gonna know all of the adjustments.
Speaker 7 (14:18):
And that's why it's gonna be fun to watch because
he and Julian Sane I think are very similar in
that regard in this game this weekend, which we ever
had a better week one game, and like the history
of our time around the sport man, it's gonna be great.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
I mean, the hype for arch obviously is massive. I
am curious for Ohio State. You know, Smith probably the
best player in the country. I think if you would
argue that, but they got like a new coaching staff,
offense and defensive coordinator. I like the Buck guys in
this game. Do you have like an edge of for
either team? Obviously, Ohio State's playing a home small favorite.
Speaker 7 (14:51):
I go, I can convince myself either way. Like you
go back and I was at the semi final game,
and I think at pet Kokowski, the defensive coordinator for Texas,
Jeremy Smith didn't do much in the game.
Speaker 6 (15:00):
I wasn't going to let him. He just wasn't going
to let him. Now I get it.
Speaker 7 (15:02):
I think he was twenty four players drafted off of
those two rosters on that field that evening in Dallas,
over thirty made it to an NFL training camp. So
there are differences in terms of what we'll see this
coming Saturday. So I go back and forth of the
coordinator match. Matt Patricia. To your point, he's a new
defensive coordinator. He's done everything you could do in football.
He was a GM, he's the head coaches and OC.
He's a DC.
Speaker 6 (15:23):
Now he's at Ohio State. I called their spring game
on Big Ten Network and it.
Speaker 7 (15:27):
Looked the part is kind of my point, like Ohio
State last year.
Speaker 6 (15:31):
The pressure was crazy. It was kind of like Penn State.
Speaker 7 (15:33):
Pressure of so many returners, but the talent they didn't stop.
It was the first time I would say, Jason, that
I ever felt like somebody a team reminded me of
USC when I was coaching it because I walked out
to practice and I watched them compete, and I was like, Oh,
nothing is given, everything is earned because the competitive depth
is so real at every position. So I think we'll
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just get a classic game. And I think you've heard
both coaches say it throughout this week of just go
play the because thankfully that's not the winner loser of
this is not going to end a season. So I
want to see how guys play free and then to
nerd out, like in the situations, what are these play
callers decided to do on both sides, Whether it's Sark
going him against Patricia, you go back and forth. Ohio
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State obviously a new offensive coordinator as well in Brian
Hartline going against the aforementioned Pete Kwakowski, And then like
what a coach has decided to do in four down situations?
Speaker 6 (16:25):
Are they going to go for it? Are they going
to punt?
Speaker 8 (16:27):
Like?
Speaker 6 (16:27):
Those will be the fun parts of this game.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
You just said something that let me, oh, it was
about Brian Kelly and LSU. Hey, the loser of Ohio
State Texas is going to be fine.
Speaker 4 (16:37):
But I do.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Wonder if LSU loses to Clemson, right, Brian Kelly's had
a rough go here in openers.
Speaker 4 (16:43):
They have Florida in two weeks.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
It seems like this could get a little squirrely for
Brian Kelly. You hear a lot of negative stories about
his personality. I don't know him personally, but I was
with a guy recently who was being recruited heavily by
him at just say previous to Notre Dame, and not
a lot of nice things about Brian Kelly, and he's
starting to get beat up a little bit. Your thoughts
on if he's in trouble, forget about the buyout, just
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in trouble in general, I.
Speaker 7 (17:11):
Don't think so. I think this roster is pretty stacked.
And again I think I think the good thing in
college football. I think all the college football fans now
are saying, thankfully, we've got these great games.
Speaker 6 (17:20):
Let's keep that up.
Speaker 7 (17:22):
Let's not get to you know, games and non conference
play that don't necessarily have major stakes. So I don't
think he's in trouble in that regard now. Granted, in
the Southeast and in that conference, you lose a game
and don't read anything until you play another one and
hopefully get a win.
Speaker 6 (17:39):
Like it's always ridiculous.
Speaker 7 (17:40):
It's always absurd in terms of the expectation of the
fanfare or the fandom around it.
Speaker 6 (17:45):
And of course the dialogue flows with that. I heard you,
Rachel talking.
Speaker 7 (17:47):
About Twitter like that'll be not a place to go
to for well sourced content or news if you're an
LSU fan. And they happen to lose this coming weekend.
But I think their roster is talented. I'm a big
fan of Garrett nes Meyer and I can remember babysitting
him when he was a kid. And I go see
Doug and his family up at Washington when he was
the offensive coordinator up there, so to watch his path
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against Kate Klubnik, another guy who both of these guys
really threw down on themselves. So we want to come
on back and lead up program to a place where
a customer being it, which is playing for big time trophies.
Speaker 6 (18:20):
So I love this book.
Speaker 7 (18:21):
I think they're great examples for all the young quarterbacks
out there. And yeah, the losing coach will get a
ton of smoke, just like he did last year when
they lost to USC in Las Vegas and the opener,
But that's what you signed up for. No on's Scott Woodward,
like the athletic director at LSU.
Speaker 6 (18:36):
They're steady there. I'm not too worried about them.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
Okay, we could wrap up with Notre Dame Miami. So
Carl do you know the media loves this build up?
Tear down Carson Beck this time last year. Oh, he's
going to win the Heigtschood, He's going to be the
number one pick in twenty twenty five and didn't quite
go his way, kind of Spencer Rattler style. And then
he gets injur transfers to Miami. I think he got
the lambeau and the bag from the Hurricanes. But I
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am curious Miami, Notre Dame. I like Notre Dame going
on the road. Here your thoughts on the game can't wait.
Speaker 7 (19:06):
You know, no one Mario Cristobal watching him build this thing, right,
who doesn't remember if you're our age the Canes. And
then you look at this game and you know we've
all seen the thirty for thirty, it's going to be
awesome to watch the environment in the game. Like the
build up for these games might be better than the
games in the three games that we just referenced. Man
to be honesty because it's so big and it's going
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to be a great game. But I think Notre Dame
to me is tracking, I think under Marcus Freeman of
how he's adjusted this program to whether it's accepting more
guys in the transfer portal, whether it's just recruiting at
a higher clip. You saw that they played with a
sense of freedom last year. I mean a couple snaps
away you could argue from. I don't know if they
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were ever the better team than Ohio State, but what
a valiant comeback that they had in that game to
make it a four quarter ball game. I think Notre
Dame is tracking, but I think he's going to be
off the hook. Like the only thing that would better
if this was that the old Orange Bowl in a
place that very few of us can probably remember, but
it would just go absolutely bonkers every time the old
school early two thousand Schames would play. I hope it's
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that energy. And I think for Carson to your point,
that's the world that we're in, Like that's the nuanced
part of the portal and the nil of you are
catching like legitimately targeted negativity at you, you know, just
kind of catching strays on the back of a radio show,
like you're getting it all day long, and I get
it like sometimes you got to wear it. That's part
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of being a pseudo professional athlete, especially at the quarterback position.
But I don't know, man, I think I'll have a
big season. I think this offense, what they did last
year in Miami was really impressive, of course with cam
Warden and all the success he had in that program
at a coach Chryst Wall.
Speaker 6 (20:45):
So I think we'll get another classic, and I think
we should like.
Speaker 7 (20:47):
The more of these every week in a non conference play,
the better for the game.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
Amazing, all right, Yogi Roth, author, filmmaker, Big ten Network,
He does it all, Yogi great stuff is always thanks
a lot, buddy.
Speaker 6 (21:00):
You got it, man, that's a love thanks you say,
all right?
Speaker 3 (21:02):
Yogi Roth really knows college football has me geeked for
the weekend? Oh my gosh, three really good games. You
know what else has me geeked? Apparently there's another record
breaking NFL extension just breaking right now. We'll talk about
that next.
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Speaker 11 (22:21):
That's Covino and Rich.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
Back here on the Herd. Great stuff from Yogi row Listen.
College football is very excited, guys. This weekend has to
be amazing. Games cannot wait. But let's go to Rachel
Nichols with the news. Turn on the news.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
This is the Herd Line.
Speaker 5 (22:43):
News, Jason, some breaking news. This is what we promised
earlier in the hour. In Baltimore, Kyle Hamilton and the
Ravens have just agreed to a four year, one hundred
point four million dollar extension. Get this, eighty two million
of it is guarantees. The previous mark in guaranteed money
for safety forty five million to Antoine Winfield Junior.
Speaker 12 (23:06):
What in Tampa.
Speaker 5 (23:07):
So we are talking about a nearly forty million dollar
leap in guaranteed money over the previous standard.
Speaker 12 (23:14):
It's just insane.
Speaker 4 (23:15):
Why would they do that?
Speaker 12 (23:16):
Well, he's so valuable.
Speaker 5 (23:17):
Right because he's kind of a chess piece that I mean,
he can't play defensive line, but pretty much any other
position on the field they can slot him into if
they need to. I mean, you already had these guys
this Super Bowl contender. Yeah, what do you think it
does to lock a down guy like this down.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
So what do you think they're doing paying him like
a hybrid linebacker slash safety, because forty million more than
the previous record is insane. That just resets the market
for I mean, that screws a lot of teams.
Speaker 5 (23:42):
Right, I mean it's forty more million guaranteed total for
the package. It's not forty million more year, but still
it's it's a huge number. And I think it's about
four and a half million more year overall than any
other safety. So they are resetting the market that way
a little bit.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
Well, I mean I'm looking at a pro football focus.
So as a rookie, he was the top graded safety
in the league. Then he was.
Speaker 4 (24:02):
Sixth, and then he was second. So he's a superstar.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
And like he is that chess piece who can guard
Travis Kelsey yep and tackle Cemac in space. And then
if he asked the match up with a receiver, so
be it.
Speaker 11 (24:12):
You know.
Speaker 5 (24:13):
Yeah, And look, this is a team that had the
best injury luck of any defense in the NFL last year,
so you can't count on that again.
Speaker 12 (24:22):
Yeah, right, so you might need him to plug some
of those holes.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
And they went out and who did they drafted Malachi
starts the kid out of Georgia.
Speaker 4 (24:29):
So there they got two safeties.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
They're doing it differently, like people don't really invest in safety.
They do the edge rushers in the corners. Yeah, they're
going linebacker in safety. It's an interesting experiment, smart stuff.
Speaker 6 (24:40):
Right.
Speaker 12 (24:40):
Look, it's like buying a house, right.
Speaker 5 (24:42):
It doesn't have to be the price that anyone else
in the world wants to pay. It's what does one
buyer want to pay for it? Well, the Ravens want
to buy.
Speaker 4 (24:49):
Yeah on Kyle.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
So there you go.
Speaker 13 (24:51):
I like it.
Speaker 4 (24:51):
I mean, there you go.
Speaker 12 (24:53):
All right, let's say about the forty nine ers.
Speaker 5 (24:55):
You know they traded for Brian Robinson Junior earlier in
the week that added him to the backfield with the
say right now, healthy Christian McCaffrey. Those two guys have
got some reps together and Robinson has made a bold
claim about their future together in Kyle Shanahan's office.
Speaker 14 (25:15):
My job right now it's just to compliment him the
best way I can. And we're gonna be the best
duo in the league. I see opportunities for myself. No regardless,
you know, I know, no c mac gonna do his
thing you know, and I'm gonna be ready to do
my thing for sure. You know, Like I told, you know,
mister Lynch before I got here. I'm like, look, you know,
I respect you know, everybody. I respect the room, I
(25:35):
respects he Mac. But I'm a competitor. I come here
to compete.
Speaker 12 (25:40):
Best backfield duo in the game.
Speaker 4 (25:43):
I had to give that some thought.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
But listen, this guy was big time. Do you remember
him at Alabama as a senior thirteen hundred yards rushing,
fourteen touchdowns. I thought he was good in Washington. I
was surprised they moved off in my guess it's because
he wants the bag and then like we're not doing that.
Speaker 6 (25:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (25:58):
No, I mean last year, if you look, he had
a career high eight Russian touchdowns four point three yards
to carry overall in his first three NFL seasons, ty
three hundred and nineteen rush yards fifteen rushing touchdowns. So
he's got the numbers built up.
Speaker 12 (26:12):
I mean I would say that.
Speaker 5 (26:14):
Detroit, Detroit, Yes, that's the team, Tampa, Tampa. These all
have strong running back duos. But I love that he's
putting himself out there.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
Yeah, I mean, Saquon's backup is what will Shipley. Yeah, No, Detroit.
Speaker 4 (26:29):
I think you're right.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
Detroit has probably the best backfield with Montgomery and Gibbs.
Speaker 12 (26:32):
Yeah, but this.
Speaker 4 (26:33):
Is a really good one.
Speaker 12 (26:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (26:35):
I like how you're.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
Wedging a lot of former Washington or current Washington player.
Speaker 12 (26:40):
I'm just saying I do that with the jest. Say, although,
let's not bring up the Washington defense again. You've put
me done that once a show. You have to.
Speaker 5 (26:47):
It's the fight club rule of being a commander's fan.
We don't talk about defense, yes, thank you.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
Just offense. Just offense.
Speaker 12 (26:55):
It's very happy around here. All right, college football.
Speaker 5 (26:58):
You just had a great interview there, and let's talk
about Bill Belichick said to play his first game since
taking over the program, the Tar Kills both TCU Monday
Night and Jason.
Speaker 12 (27:07):
As we know, Colin is off this.
Speaker 5 (27:09):
Week, but his presence never far away. He was just
on the Joel Platt Show making an interesting comparison for
North Carolina.
Speaker 8 (27:16):
Take a listen, forty transfers. I mean, come on, I mean,
I mean, I mean Bill was hard on his first
and second round draft picks to start, like, he liked
the draft guys, sit him, learn the system, and then
play them year two, and those were like twenty four
year old guys, and you know, like Bill rarely went
(27:38):
and spent big money in free agency until like that
one of those final years.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
I don't know, it's.
Speaker 6 (27:44):
Got a Colorado feel to it.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
That's why it's so ironic.
Speaker 8 (27:48):
They're opening with TCU, which is who Dion opened with
at Colorado.
Speaker 5 (27:54):
I mean, look, Dean did some amazing things his first
year right at Colorado in terms of off the field
or around the program. Got so much more excitement there,
television presence, merch ticket sales.
Speaker 12 (28:06):
I think enrollment for the entire university.
Speaker 5 (28:09):
System went up, you know, but he was only four
and eight.
Speaker 12 (28:12):
So well, you look, it's.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
About the pump and circumstances.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
You get the record, right, yeah.
Speaker 5 (28:16):
Whatever, Well, for Belichick, I got to think the standard's
a little bit higher. I mean, there were six and
seven without him last year. So where do you think
they've got it hit in his first season for him
not to get any four?
Speaker 3 (28:28):
I mean, if they win the opener, the schedule's favorable
if they have Clemson. But I don't see why they
can't win nine games, like other than the Clemson game,
where are they.
Speaker 4 (28:37):
Going to be you know, maybe going to cal Well.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
Now they get a week off before that trip, but
it's not like there's even any brutal road trips there.
Speaker 4 (28:46):
Syracuse lost their quarterback. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
I don't see why they can't. If they go nine
and three or ten and two, that's a huge six huge,
absolutely what would be a failure?
Speaker 4 (28:57):
Five five hundreds?
Speaker 5 (28:59):
Yeah, I mean Collin's talking about in such a huge
number of transfers, can you integrate them into the team.
And then there's the off field distractions too. This is
my favorite news item of the day. Non Football Division.
Belichick and Jordan Hudson, his lovely white young girlfriend, have
filed for a trademark for the phrase gold digger, what
(29:20):
specifically tell me a new line of jewelry and gold
related products.
Speaker 4 (29:26):
Wait, come on you, it's real for.
Speaker 5 (29:29):
Other young women who might want to bag an NFL
coach fifty.
Speaker 12 (29:32):
Years older than them. She's got the jewelry for you.
Speaker 4 (29:35):
Ju Wait, it's a joint They filed it jointly.
Speaker 5 (29:38):
Well, so he now has a company that she is
I believe the president of, or some you know, the
management of, and that company under her has filed for
the trademark gold digger, and you have to file sort
of what you want that expression for, right, You can't
just trademark gold digger in general, it's been around for
great exactly, but they are the first people to trade
(30:00):
get to and trademark for a jewelry line.
Speaker 12 (30:03):
And you know it would.
Speaker 5 (30:05):
Appeal to the young woman who might want to be.
Speaker 12 (30:08):
A gold digger. I guess I don't know.
Speaker 4 (30:09):
Wait, so you're choosing your words careful.
Speaker 12 (30:11):
I am take a deeper recoize.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
I want to hear your real thoughts because I feel
like you're about to unload. Listen, So how many how
many houses did he buy this one?
Speaker 12 (30:20):
I think it was three, so festing.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
And now he's helping her get gold jewelry.
Speaker 5 (30:24):
I mean, there's there's been a whole bunch of sort
of side projects that she's financially been benefiting from.
Speaker 12 (30:29):
Here.
Speaker 5 (30:29):
Her argument would be that she is leading a charge
business wise for him, since he's him her.
Speaker 12 (30:36):
Well again, she.
Speaker 5 (30:37):
Would argue, yeah, so it's actually happening.
Speaker 12 (30:40):
Might be a different story, That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (30:43):
I don't I don't know anybody who knows anybody in
a similar situation with a fifty year age gap.
Speaker 4 (30:49):
I don't there can't be a lot of that.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
But at what point did the Belichick family have to
be like, we need to call what's it called when
you call? Like the family in and surprise intervention?
Speaker 4 (30:58):
Intervention?
Speaker 3 (30:59):
Yeah? Could I not remember? I have Dylan McKay from
Nino Tuoto in my head for some reason, the Nino
Tuoto intervention from thirty years ago anywhere.
Speaker 12 (31:06):
And Donna Martin graduates.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
Yes, yes, classic. I just at some point do they
have to like get him in and be like, yo, Bill,
I know you you're what is it the saying you
can't read the in you can't read the bottle label
from inside the bottle. He's like inside this thing and
he doesn't really see what's going on. And Julian Edelman
(31:28):
pops in here sometimes and I'm not going to say
his stuff, but.
Speaker 4 (31:32):
You know, off air, he's definitely talked about this story.
I'll just leave it at that. And this is a
tough one, man.
Speaker 5 (31:40):
There's there's certainly been reporting without specific quotes coming from
family and friends, but there has been reporting with people
with well placed sources who have known these either high
ranking Patriots players or family members for a long time,
saying that there is concern. I mean, look, even once
you just first came on the scene, there's the huge
age difference, as you said.
Speaker 12 (31:59):
Nearly fifty years.
Speaker 5 (32:01):
Her mom is a sex shop owner. Great, the dad
is a retired fisherman.
Speaker 12 (32:07):
It's just the whole, you know.
Speaker 5 (32:08):
She, as you pointed out the other day, graduated from
cosmetology school as her qualification to run this business. So
there is to say there's some concerns as an understatement.
But look, Belichick, he clearly seems very happy.
Speaker 4 (32:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
Listen, if they get smashed by what TC, Let's say
say they lose thirty eight ten, Oh boy, that's gonna
get tough for Bill. Yeah, because the obvious where's his focus?
He's always he's filing trademarks. You're going to where's the
football part? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (32:37):
That Monday night? You said Monday eight o'clock. Oh boy,
that's it.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
I need to make check the calendar and make sure
I put that in. So I'm not anywhere no basketball
or Monday night.
Speaker 5 (32:48):
I don't like to quote Kanye these days, but you
know the lines holes I hate West.
Speaker 4 (32:53):
I forgot about that.
Speaker 12 (32:54):
I'm not saying she's a gold digger.
Speaker 4 (32:55):
Ye oh, oh, we're still live on air.
Speaker 3 (32:59):
Rachel, Oh my god, oh damn okay, Rachel with the news.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
Well that's the news and thanks for stopping by the Herd.
Speaker 3 (33:09):
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Speaker 12 (34:49):
Jason, you're excited. I'm excited.
Speaker 5 (34:52):
Honestly, the moment this matchup was announced, everyone has had
this circle the arch Manning era kicking off with a
playoff rematch for the Ages.
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Speaker 3 (35:15):
All Right, I gotta be careful with Caleb Williams.
Speaker 4 (35:23):
I don't want to.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
Say he's fragile at the moment, but the guys had
a lot going on.
Speaker 4 (35:31):
Rough rookie year.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
There were reports that like he was watching film by himself,
Like it's just it was not a good introduction to
the NFL. He took sixty eight sacks last year with
tracks with what happened to him at USC his final year.
Speaker 4 (35:46):
He's just trying to play backyard football, you.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
Know, just run around and try to make a play
Like that doesn't work in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (35:51):
It just doesn't.
Speaker 3 (35:52):
You need to be sorry, brock perty drop back process
and fire away, like you gotta do that. Now you
can say, hey, party had Shanahan. This guy had a
clown car of coaches. Okay, fine, enter Ben Johnson. Well,
I'm gonna be real with you, guys. I know Ben
Johnson was one of the most highly acclaimed offensive coordinators
in the last fifteen years.
Speaker 4 (36:14):
He's certainly up.
Speaker 3 (36:15):
There in rarefied air. He was amazing in Detroit. We
don't know what he's like as a head coach. And
I mean, listen, he's doing these radio interviews, he's going
to the podium, and I don't see a lot of positivity.
So here's Ben Johnson on six seventy the score in
Chicago this week talking about the development of Killabilliams.
Speaker 13 (36:36):
The standard has been set, the bar has been set high.
He has said that he wants to be not just
one of the best top five quarterbacks in this league,
but he wants to have a legacy that lasts for
a long time. And so we're coaching him that way.
We're approaching it that way. That's not going to change.
Is he going to be a finished product here year
two now. He's going to continue to get better year
(36:57):
in and year out, and and it's a process. And
so we're very clear on that. You know, there is
a little bit of great here as we as we
go through it. We know he's learning, he's gonna take
his bumps. But at the same time, as long as
we're not making the same mistake twice, we're gonna be
right on track and we'll be just fine.
Speaker 3 (37:15):
I don't know, guy, as long as we're not making
the same mistake twice. That sounds like a message to Caleb, like, dude,
you keep making the same mistake over and over and again.
Maybe I'm becoming body language guy or parsing words. Because
we're now going on nine months without football. That kind
of thing happened on nine but close to nine months.
And I want Caleb to succeed. But guys, look at
(37:37):
like the last six years, look at how many elite
top ten picks I've just totally flopped. I mean, Trey
lance Is on how it has been on how many teams,
Zach Wilson, these guys were.
Speaker 4 (37:47):
Top five picks.
Speaker 3 (37:48):
Bryce young Is, I don't want to say borrowed time,
but like, if he doesn't deliver, he's gonna be done.
Baker Mayfield founce around the league after a few years
in Cleveland, Like a lot of the top picks.
Speaker 4 (38:00):
Don't pan out.
Speaker 3 (38:01):
Maybe it's not gonna be until stop two. Then you
add on this seth Wickersham book seth Wickersham, close to
Caleb Williams, did a book on quarterbacks, and none of
that stuff sounds good at all. Caleb and his family
clearly had wanted nothing to do with Chicago. They don't
know how to deal with quarterbacks there. They just have
never had a great quarterback. Who's the best quarterback in
(38:23):
Chicago Bear's recent history, Rex Grugzman, you have to go
back to Jim McMahon in the eighties. So like I mean,
I get it, but you add all this stuff up
the pressure of Chicago.
Speaker 4 (38:35):
Listen, if he was in Jacksonville, nobody cares.
Speaker 3 (38:37):
There's no media there, no media crush descending. And now
you've got a reporter, like an actual guy who covers
the team, saying Caleb is in danger of being benched
early in the season.
Speaker 4 (38:50):
That doesn't happen.
Speaker 3 (38:51):
Here's Steve Weisch's last hour on our show, talking about
tough love maybe between Caleb and Ben Johnson.
Speaker 15 (38:59):
I didn't see Bill Belichick ever very happy. I know
Andy Reid's a nice guy, but he's not the most
jovial dude.
Speaker 3 (39:07):
Things.
Speaker 15 (39:08):
So, you know, in terms of how guys appear at
the press conference, I don't really know, you know, having
been in these situations. It's like the meeting rooms and stuff.
If a coach is like glazing you up or are
beating you down in front of the team in the
meeting rooms and really humiliating you in front of your peers,
that's where things really tend to ruffle feathers now. Some guys,
you know, get bent out of see it by what
you said.
Speaker 6 (39:27):
In the media.
Speaker 15 (39:29):
But and I don't know Ben Johnson, I've been around him,
but he's just an intense guy. There are intense coach
you've been around Sean McVay, that dude never relaxes. Now
he is kind of captain positive. But you know, there's
just different coaches with different styles.
Speaker 3 (39:47):
I think there's a quote phrase publicly criticize privately or
something like that.
Speaker 12 (39:54):
Damn it.
Speaker 3 (39:54):
I wish i'd re memorize that. But I don't hear
a lot of pray from Ben Johnson. He doesn't seem happy,
and again, Jay, you're over exaggerating. But to Steve's point
about Belichick, I mean we've read stories for years about
how in the film room with the quarterbacks, he would say,
(40:14):
look at Tom Batch, this drow, I can get the
local quarterback from Foxborough High School to come out and
make that throw. He would say that about Brady. Now,
Brady ate it up and it drove him to be
better right and thrive as a superstar.
Speaker 4 (40:27):
But remember Giselle, the ex wife.
Speaker 3 (40:30):
She was getting ticked off, and there's reports, you know, hey,
Bell's got to lay off Tom.
Speaker 4 (40:34):
I mean that's public.
Speaker 3 (40:35):
So there's a lot of different ways. When I hear
this relationship about Caleb and Ben, I think to my kids,
and Rachel obviously, you know, you have kids and we're
both you.
Speaker 4 (40:45):
Know, dealing with the kids that are growing up.
Speaker 3 (40:48):
And I don't.
Speaker 4 (40:49):
Want to call Caleb Williams a kid, but he's a
young guy.
Speaker 6 (40:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (40:52):
I mean, look, also, Ben Johnson, I have faith in
him of how he's going to do as a head coach.
I think there's just a lot of crossover with being
an OC. But he is very precise. The reason we
call him the mad Scientist is because he concocts these
very specific plays and.
Speaker 12 (41:09):
Very specific offensive sets.
Speaker 5 (41:10):
So the idea that someone like Caleb, who right now
is much more improvisational, probably drives him crazy a little
bit in a way that isn't necessarily Caleb Williams's fault,
but it's just a clash of styles that is probably
adding to the fact that, as he himself pointed out,
Caleb is far from a finished product. And I thought
it was very interesting. I don't know what you thought
(41:31):
that he held Caleb Williams out of the first week
preseason game, and it almost seemed like, from reading between
the lines of what he said, he said a version
of a nicer version of it'd be more embarrassing for
him to go out there and failed than to be benched,
even though there was a lot of fervor around the
fact that he wasn't playing and a lot of people
accusing saying, oh, he must be terrible.
Speaker 12 (41:53):
Oh you know. Clearly Ben Johnson thought.
Speaker 5 (41:57):
That level of criticism was better than the little criticism
he would have got if he had already if he
had actually got on and played. So this is all
kind of swirling together.
Speaker 3 (42:05):
And we saw the one video of Caleb unable to
throw it into a net from like what five feet away? Yeah,
that goes viral. People are crushing the kid. Can you
imagine if in week one of the preseason he vomits
all over himself and it's like, oh, but you know,
we talked about it this morning. If memory serves, Jared
Goff started out horribly with the Rams. Now he had
(42:26):
Jeff Fisher, who was the other Oh, Eli Manning with
the Giants had tough, terrible go look at the stats
in this first year. Yeah, he was like boot off
the field in New York and they were like, oh,
you've ruined Eli Manning.
Speaker 4 (42:38):
These guys are tough and mentally they can bounce back.
Speaker 5 (42:41):
Yeah, I mean William Williams has plenty of talent. There's
a reason he went where he did in the draft right,
and so much in professional sports, it's about that matchup
of fit right. Are you with the right coach at
the right time in your career? Are there the right
players around you? Talked about Jaden Daniels getting those vets
around him and why Washington thought that was so important.
Speaker 12 (43:00):
With a guy like Cale Williams.
Speaker 5 (43:02):
I think a big part of it is, is this
fit right with Ben Johnson.
Speaker 3 (43:05):
We're gonna find out, probably sooner than later. Coming up
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