October 14, 2020 • 41 mins
LeBron is gloating and Colin loves it
Colin reminds us he was right about Justin Herbert
Guests: Joel Klatt, Will Blackmon
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Taylor at Lebron James and I'm loving every second of this.
Has now moved into the gloating stage. He's on social media,
got a cigar. He's talking about, you know, pushing back
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in all the haters. Now, I I like this. I
said this. I think last week is that every loser
on Twitter wants to tell you they're the you know,
the Prince, They're a CEO, they're they're a Titan of
commerce and they're living with their mom. It's okay. Occasionally
if an Aaron Rodgers or Lebron James goes, now, I'm
pretty good, and he is gloating about it. There's a
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bunch of images on social media where Lebron is firing
back and and Tristan Thompson, by the way, won a
championship with him. Was on our show a couple days ago,
and Tristan Thompson said, I love it as well. It's
about damn time. Listen. I've been telling him for years.
I said, listen, man, you're the best player. You're the
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best player every that's played this game. You gotta start talking.
I know you you're the nice guy, and you know
you don't want you know, you want to make everyone happy,
but you gotta. You gotta talk to talk, you walk
to walk, you want to dunk on guys and block
shots and all this stuff. You gotta let them know.
Put some respect on your name. And every time you
give him a challenge, he just looks at it and
takes it on and it makes makes greatness out of it.
So I'm glad he said about time. And by the way,
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I do think the bubble um was one of the things.
Lebron's not only physically the best, I think he's intellectually
and emotionally the best player in the league. Jan Wanda
was talking this week and he said, it's such a
pleasure to play with Lebron. Rono is a very much
a thinking man's player. He can wear people out. And
Lebron and Rondo are perfect together because they really play
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the game, I think intellectually at a just a different
level than the average athlete in America or the NBA.
And this bubble to me is more significant, not less significant,
because one of the things Adam Silver was quoted as
saying about a year ago when he was asked about
his players, he said, they're all unhappy because social media
is eating them alive. And I tell my kids this
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all the time. Criticism can only do two things to you,
inspire you and motivate you or crush you. And it
crushed a lot of guys in the bubble, and social
media is crushing a lot of young kids. It is
inspiring Lebron James and he is gloating a little bit
now and he's saying, I heard all. I'm now the
advantage to Lebron. He's thirty five. He didn't grow up
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with social media, so it's probably much easier for him
to put the phone down for a day or two
or three or four or five. He's done that before,
and it is easier for me than it would be
my daughter or my son because they grew up in it.
But Lebron James isn't just the best player. He is
physically the best player. I think intellectually. Rondo talked about it,
he is at a different level. And I think emotionally
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this bubble ate up a lot of people, and Adam
Silver acknowledges social media is tough on our players. This
is the best I've seen Lebron play in a long time.
I thought his leadership was amazing. I thought, I'll tell
you this. I was talking to somebody yesterday, if forget
it was a coach, and we talked about this, and
I said, the advantage to the bubble is nobody had
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to get on planes. So these old guys like Rondo
and Lebron, who were older players, were totally energized. Rondo
and Lebron were playing like twenty seven year old guy defense.
And that's where I think the bubble if the league
is going to make any change, because you know how
like when you have COVID has forced all of us
to rethink our travel and rethink our lives and zoom meetings.
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The one thing I got out of the bubble, the
quality of energy from the players was unbelievable. Lebron looks
like a kid. Stop with these seven game first round series.
Shorten the number of games these first round playoff series
three games. If you win the first two at home,
you're on. The quality the energy of the defense for
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veteran players was so good. I think that's a direct
connection to they're not on planes all year. They're not
seven I mean, good God, two at home just for
one playoff series. Two at home, two on the road.
You come back home, you go there, you come back
to seal it. I take one cross country flight. If
I flew from Chicago to LA I need two days
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with no cocktails to get over it. You can't just
keep these guys were in the bubble. The quality of
energy was through the roof. And go ahead, Lebron, gloat, gloat.
Now you know this is the time I consider this
kind of mentor pupil stage of the show. Let's bring
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on Joel Klatt, the voice of college football for Fox Sports.
Joel Klatt, Let's bring him on the only guest with
a courage to come in studio. Great to see you. Well,
you know, I really I like to impart wisdom on kids,
and I think the opportunity for you to learn a
little from Uncle Colin. So let's start with this before
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we real quick. You haven't been on a cross country flight.
Apparently you're not yourself without a couple of days. No cocktails, right,
I mean, my goodness. By the way, can I push
back just a moment on what you were talking about
there with Lebron? Yeah, And it's not even just Lebron specific.
I just think it's this, you know, you're you're you're
very into kind of feeling yourself and this puffing your
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chest out. I love it when Rogers talks back and
Lebron talks back and all this different stuff. Just at home.
Think about this for a moment. Those people that hate
you don't want to hear what you have to say.
Those people that love you, regardless, they don't need to
hear what you have to say. The only way that
your words are impactful if is if you're respected. Right,
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And I'm not saying he's not respected. I'm just I'm
just saying, like, throwing it out there. Just to get
favor with the people that love you is never going
to be the way to generate any impactful meaning with
your words. So there you go. Well, I like to
puff the chest one, I bet you do. I bet
you do. Speaking of puff in the chest? Um, where
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is the state of Texas and Tom Herman today? They
are wildly entertaining and there is something wrong on that.
They're eighteen and twelve in the in the big twelve. Yeah,
you know, what's what's fascinating to me is that they're
entertaining right now under Herman kind of kind of like
a car crash is entertaining right because you can't take it.
It's it's like it's like a beautiful mess and you
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can't take your eyes off it. And and it is,
And that's really frustrating for that fan base and the
fashion in which they continue to go out there and
lose games and play the sloppiness, the lack of execution
that's wearing on people down there, in particular with where
their roster is. And I gave you the stats last
week they had coming into the season thirty players with starts.
That's that's so many guys. I mean, that's a such
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an experienced roster. They have a quarterback that's now started
thirty seven games. Uh, they've got the fifth most talented
roster in all of college football and they're out there
getting punts blocked and having personal fact it's just it's
very sloppy and it's wearing very thin. In particular in
a year in which a lot of people thought this
was going to be the year for Texas that they
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could dethrone Oklahoma not only in Red River but potentially
for the Big Twelve championship. So even in a COVID year,
I gotta tell you that game Saturday was was not
good for the outlook of the future of that staff,
in particular Tom Herman. And and just a side note,
and this is what I think it's lost. A lot
of times when we discuss things like this, people are
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you know, it's usually black or white, Oh, all or nothing.
You know, he's he's gone, He's not gone. A lot
of it has to do with the nuance in the
context of losses, and the context of the last two
losses for Texas. Chris del Connie is Tom Herman's boss.
He's the athletic director at Texas, where he came from
where TCU, that's who they just lost to. That doesn't
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sit well with a guy who just left TCU to
go to Texas because he thought it was bigger, it
was better, I can do more things at Texas. And
then you sit there and you watch TCU beat your
club in a year in which they're supposed to be
really good. That doesn't sit well with the decision maker.
And then the context of the loss to OU, with
OU and their roster where it's at. And I explained
this last week with the rebuild that OU is clearly under.
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That was a devastating loss for Texas. Now we'll see
what happens with the future of the season and how
they can get back to some semblance of quality play.
But you know, even in a COVID year, watch out
down there in Austin. So I was, it's funny about
the SEC. The defenses aren't so hot in the SEC either,
not anymore everybody in this so it is interesting what
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in Alabama's defense this has not got torched. Not a
special defense. And I watched that. It's not as good upfront,
it's not quite as fast. It's just not It doesn't
make you as uncomfortable as a quarterback Alabama always makes
you uncomfortable. It's just not quite as So, here's my
not the defense's fault. What are you saying. I'm just saying,
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what if it's not specifically any of these defenses, what
if it's the The evolution of offense has nullified the
effect of even great defenses, because great defenses all have
one thing in common is that that is that they
are great at the defensive line position, right, they win
the line of scrimmage and then it makes you struggle
offensively for the rest of the game. And the spread offense,
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colin has totally neutralized the effect of the defensive line
because the spread out the modern offense, and now I
think it's it's really permeated throughout college football, and you've
got some great coordinators out there. But what you're seeing
right now is the neutralization of great front seven players
by the spread offense. Because the spread offense, if run
and executed correctly, is always right. You've always heard the
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old adage in baseball that like great pitching always beats
great hitting, Right, Well, great offense always beats great defense
in the modern college football, because the spread offense neutralizes
the numbers there's always options available. You cannot cover the
amount of options that the spread offense presents to you,
and I think that's why you're starting to see some
of these teams struggle. The only way that you can
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get past that as a defense is if you have
great man demand corners. That's the only thing. It's not
even defensive tackles anymore, although those are a great plus.
I'm not saying that you don't have to have those.
I'm just saying that if you don't have great corners
that can just lockdown wide receivers and take away that
option because they're better man on man, then you're going
to struggle as a defense. So let me talk about
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this Trevor Lawrence things. So I said this week, everybody's saying, oh,
what teams will take Trevor Lawrence in the draft? Okay?
And I said, let's turn the telescope around what teams won't.
And I put the top fifteen teams in the draft today,
the draft rowarder in the draft. We know it's more fascinating.
That's a great question. So the Bengals they love Burrow
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and the Chargers love Justin Herbert the Giant. We were
wrong on Herbert, you and I no, I think you
were wrong. I mean we we we were wrong on
her tape. Congratulations on Herbert. Giants would absolutely take him. Absolutely,
Atlanta's moving off thirty six year old. They're just not
going to move off him yet because of cap space.
Jets would take him. Chargers won't, Washington, Wood, Jags, Wood
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Vikings would. If I don't see two of looking at
the door, I don't know about If I see TWOA
for eight games and I'm like, well, Burrow and Herbert
are having no problems with this league and he is choppy,
do I consider it? Lions would, Broncos Wood. I love Wentz,
but you could get a first round pick for Wins.
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I just don't think that the Eagles would would. Okay,
are going to be bad enough to get up there.
I know the Bengals won't. Forty nine Ers, damn right,
they would. And even New England I think they're gonna
sign Cam to a two year deal, they would take
it in. New England would have. So my takeaway is
with Trevor Lawrence. I look around this league and I'm
not sure there's I counted seven teams that wouldn't take him.
Seattle Green Bay, Kansas City. Yeah, that's fascinating right there.
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And you know what's fascinating to me is then then
how valuable do the pieces become that he's replacing. How
how valuable does a Daniel Jones become or a Matt
Ryan to to a roster that's ready to win right now?
Or this was a prime example. So if you're the Jets,
the Colts are a quarterback away. They have the line,
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they have the defense, all the analytics, they've got the
running back, they got the coats, they got the GM.
They don't they had Jacobe Bersett and Philip Rivers. They
can't even roll out Sam Darnold to Indianapolis. Well, I
mean maybe any of those guys, right um, Daniel Jones
might fit and can move, So you're absolutely, I think
India is the most ready to win right now. Absolutely.
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You know of a lot of those teams, maybe Matt Ryan,
although I don't know if they want an immobile guy,
but he could be a Listen, if I'm the forty
nine ers and I'm like, I'm sorry, wait, Matt Ryan
could be available, That's a team that I would if
I was Matt Ryan, I would really look at because
Matt Ryan has had success in that West Coast offense
before with Kyle Shanahan when they went to a Super
Bowl and probably should have beat the Patriots. That would
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that would fit right there. So that's another interesting pieces.
And by the way, I don't want to get just
caught up in like Lawrence is the only prize possession.
I think that you might have the same exact discussion
about Justin fields with all those teams state quarterback and
and maybe Trey Lance, the North Dakota State kid, who
is phenomenal. By the way, he's only gonna play one game,
he already played it a couple of weeks ago, but
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he's going to have that type of of of acumen
coming into the NFL, in particular with what guys have
done that have come from North Dkota State. So this
is this is gonna be a fascinating NFL draft this spring,
in particular at the quarterback position, because there's gonna be,
like you said, fourteen fifteen teams that are gonna have
to make a decision. Okay, So let's talk about Justin Herbert.
Now I had said we had tape. Oh I had
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said about Herbert, this is a lie I said about mentors.
Mentors don't lie. Please tell the truth. I said about Herbert,
I said after the Rose Bowl, I said, you know who,
he reminds me of a lesser Trevor Lawrence. Big, smart, tall, strong, confident,
can run. You did not like him at all. You
thought he was just a I was victim of victim
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okay seeing and this happened, by the way, this happens
to gems and scouts all the time. And I talked
to him about this and I fell. I fell hook
line and sinker. I had him last year live at
USC and I wasn't impressed, and so I was like, ah,
and it stuck with me. It clouded my ability to
evaluate what he was. And then, to be quite honest
with you, I didn't love Organ's offense. He was a
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sea thrower. He waited to see guys open. He didn't
anticipate a lot. So I was like, this is not
going to quite translate to the league. And it's totally flipped.
He's out there anticipating windows, throwing beautiful balls down down
the field. His arm is has always been oh, very special,
and then he's showing that athleticism like you're you're showing
right here, him getting out of the pocket, the ability
to have the arm strength to continue to get the
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ball down into tight windows. He has been a huge
bright spot I think in the NFL, and a guy
that charges have got to be elated about in terms
of their future at the quarterback position. I was, by
the way, I'll always do this, Colin won't. I was
dead wrong on Herbert and and happy to say that
because I'm really glad he's having success. I won't say
that because after the Rose Ball and he right, Okay, yeah, yeah,
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we have tape of it. I'm just we couldn't find
it this morning, but we had tape of it. Okay,
so this is interesting. Here's your Your top ten has Clemson,
Ohio State, Bama, Georgia, blah blah blah, all that stuff.
You have Notre Dame at five. Yeah. Now, there's a
big gap in the world between the top four teams
in college football and about five or six are good teams.
I've seen Washington go to this thing and can't move
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the ball against Alabama. When I say Notre Dame, when
I hear those first four, I'm like, yep. And then
I hear Notre Dame and I'm like, yeah, it's a
different group of people. I totally agree with you. And
that's why when I'm doing this top ten, it's really
a top four four. You go like that, you know,
you write the top four end and really you know
everyone's gonna be like, oh, how's Bama behind it? Tears
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right there the top four Like Notre Dame can't beat
any of those teams, um not, not this week. I
don't know about the by the end of the year
or not. But it's the college football playoff. You could
make a strong argument has hurt the sport because why
one hundred percent? Because it's a it's a self perpetuating
cycle that the most quality players go to the only
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teams that go to the playoff, and then those teams
go back to the playoff and then get the best players,
and then they go back to the playoff, and then
they get the best players and go back. Did you
know that if you took Ohio State, Alabama, Clemson, in Oklahoma,
they've made seventeen in college football playoff appearances. Seventeen. That's
really good, right, Excellence. We love to celebrate excellence. The
rest of the country combined has seven appearances combined. Right,
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So the separation of the classes has become more significant
due to the playoff than before the playoff. And I
would make an argument that, to be honest, it's made
our industry lazy because everything outside of the top four
is like, well that's no good. So you're you were
about to go down the roads like, ah, I can
Notre Dame beat those who cares? Right, Well, it's not
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black and white like that, because if I'm a Notre
Dame fan, let's just put this into perspective right now.
Did you know Notre Dame is trying to do this
season something that they've never done in their history. Do
you know what it is? Win ten or more games
in four consecutive seasons. They've never done that in their history.
They've never done it. They had a guy and a
horse in the backfield. That's well, they were partly because
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they're only playing like seven and eight games back there
in that part of their history. But you've got Ohio
State doing it, you know, year over year, Alabama doing
it year over year, Mac Browne at Texas did it
year over year over year, and they have never gone
four straight seasons with ten or more wins. So what
Brian Kelly is actually doing. It is historically good for them,
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and I'm not saying that they're a tier below, and yes,
they want to compete for and potentially win a national championship,
but it has made the playoff has made commentary a
bit lazy because we don't acknowledge what's going on in
some of these programs. Did you know that Miami has
only won ten or more games since going to the
ACC one time. No one knows that, right, No one
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knows that one time since leaving the Big Ten they
won ten or more games. So what Manny Diaz is
trying to do to get them to compete at the
Clemson level is really really tough. And yet they go,
they don't play well, and we want to throw them away.
So again your take on like top four and then
everybody else, Yes, it's absolutely true, and it's partly due
to the fact that the playoff stopping where it stops
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has hurt college football in general. No, I like to
talk about winners, all right. You know what made me
think of a game? I'm gonna do this game next week.
I'm gonna do this game next week. It's one of
my favorite games, which one drives the almost upset of
the week. No is it coming back. It drives people crazy.
I have a theory that if you take geography, history, budgets,
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recruiting base, all that stuff that and you have a
twelve game schedule as as the base of it. Okay,
there's a number for every college team. I totally agree.
So you take out your best coach ever, Washington. Don
James can't count him, right, you take out your worst
coach ever, Washington. I won't. I won't bludge him, but
take him out. And there's a number for Washington on
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a twelve game schedule to win. And I always argue
with my friends in Seattle. It's eight and a half
to nine. You think it's eleven. I would totally agree
with that because there's no there's no players up there.
So I believe the unrealistic expectations of individual fan base
out of control. Only a minute left, I'm gonna give
you the school on a twelve game schedule. There's only
there's only all right, you have the number and you
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can do a half. Okay, there's only like four eleven
and a halfs Alabama eleven and a half, Ohio State eleven,
USC ten so that's very interesting. So because I always
put them at eleven because the lack of amitment from
everybody else out west, but they have their valleys are
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lower than the Ohio States or the Alabamas in the world.
Alabama very rarely, if ever, goes down, and when they
go down, it's very quick, whereas USC will hit troughs
and it lasts for a while. Heck, they're in a
trough right now. Let me give you another one. Oregon
eight and a half. I'd go eight, Wisconsin ten and
a half. Oh come more than USC? Yeah, oh lord,
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there's no players. They're more consistent than USC. But that's
because they've had unbelievable coaching streaks. Barry Alvarez. I mean,
they've they've got they've had great coaches. Wisconsin. If you're
asking me about what which team fan base, administration knows
themselves better than anybody else in the country, it's Wisconsin.
There they understand who they are, how they have success,
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why they have success, and that's why they do have
success year over year over year. They were in the
summer broken stocks with socks. That's not a ten and
a half. I mean, so does Oregon and I can't
and you had Oregon is at eight and a half. Yeah,
but but Oregon was good for like a blink of
an eye. All right, well, they we'll play this game
next week. We got a lot of commercials. This show
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That was funny. You got one off finally, very good.
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That was kind of wild. Yesterday the Dodgers fell into
a hole came roaring back. These two teams should score runs,
but the Dodgers were not hitting going into yesterday's game.
So we're gonna have a real series here going forward.
Good stuff, by the way, you know, I will I
said this earlier about the Tennessee Buffalo game last night.
It takes you five or six games to kind of feel.
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Like Bill Belichick's always said, there's two seasons in the NFL.
There's pre Thanksgiving, there's post Thanksgiving. What's interesting about Buffalo
is everybody's you know, beating up a little bit on
on Josh Allen. He had a really bad pick, but
he had no time to throw. The question about Buffalo
is gonna be this what about their defense? Because I
watched Tennessee's offense, and I watched Baltimore's offense, and I
watched Kansas City's offense, and I watched the Raiders offense,
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and I watched the New England's offense with Cam and
I thought, coming into this, see he's in Buffalo's defense.
It was number two in the NFL last year. I
don't know what the answer is. And they were missing
a couple of guys last night. Buffalo's defense is not good.
Enough to get to a Super Bowl today, not through
the AFC. So Josh Allen's not the problem. Josh Allen
may throws last night. It's it's insane looking it is.
He's making throws that like, I'm not even sure Maholmes
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can make some of these throws. He's not the issue.
He didn't have a lot of time. He had one
bad pick. But I don't know what happened to Buffalo's defense.
Is a personnel is at coaching right now. It is
not good enough to win the AFC. You're not gonna
beat Baltimore with that. You got clappered by Tennessee. You're
not beating Kansas City. And I mean they beat the
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Raiders a couple of weeks ago, so I guess you
know they're good enough to beat the Raiders. But if
you look at him right now, third down percentage, they're
thirtieth points a game, twenty first passing yard, and last
year they were great. So I don't know what happened
because Sean mcdermot's a great coach, but something's different where
they're they're an offensive team now and when their offense stalls,
they're done. Joy with the news. No, no, This is
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present with our team, be around defense, special teams in
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the offense a little bit more, be around the staff
members a little bit more. Adding those guys has been
really huge in terms of being able to just kind
of take a step back. That's definitely something that I'm
trying to do well. He's also been he's had this
offense now joy for several years, so Goff knows it.
So you can hand a little bit of a responsibility
off to Goff and Andrew were the offensive line. There's
a lot of you know, I mean, you don't have
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to be in every meeting now, right, And they've seen
the results of it. Their offenses improved fourth in total
yards per game they were seventh in two nineteen seventh
and rush yards per game they were twenty sixth in
twenty nineteen, and their defense has improved across the board
from twenty nineteen, twenty and twenty as well. Scoring defense,
total defense, and past defense are all in top five
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in the NFL. I was shocked how they physically dominated Washington.
Now Washington's not as good at quarterback, but when you
watch that game, it was like, oh, this is a
misman It's like a bad fight in the octagon. You're like, oh,
this isn't close, Like you couldn't block Aaron Donald And no,
you know, they're a bad call that Buffalo game. Even
though I won that bat, they're a bad call away
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from being undefeated. I think your points, Uh yeah, I
agree with that call. That call is awful. Buffalo fans
were freaking out, like it's okay. So people get bad calls.
The rams will get over it. But you can just
admit that when it was a back hall. Let's sometimes
they go you're a way, sometimes they don't, but it
was a back hall. But to your point, when you
have your system in place for a couple of years,
this is to me what great coaches and great leaders do.
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Let's just delegate a little bit, tire great people so
they can be great at their job, so that you
can take care of everything, like when you're the head coach,
which is a lot more going on. We don't really
think of head coaches in the way in the pros
the way that we do in college, but there is
still a lot of inner personal relationship stuff that that
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head coaches have to handle that we just we don't
talk about it because you know, and obviously in colleges
amateurs and they're much younger. But there's a lot that's
on your plate as a head coach, especially in a
year like this that you're dealing with, so being able
to rely on your coordinators as massive. But that's what
happens when you hire the right people. So during the
Bucks lost of the Bears last Thursday, Tom Brady was
seen yelling at his teammates on the sideline and he's
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still very upset about it, and Bruce Arian says he's
perfectly fine with his quarterback doing that. Just be yourself.
I don't I don't have any problem with it, or
at least I don't have to go back to and
custom out ey'ybody got in the air fall by the
time I get over there. So, um, Tom's gotta be Tom.
I'm not gonna ask him to be somebody different. He
does a good you have a patent him on the
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back too. He might explode, but he's gonna go down
there and pat him on the back and get him gone.
Leadershire Troy and used to barket guys like leadership's hard,
you know. Arion said last week that having Tom out
there's like having another coach on the field. Obviously he
has a wealth of experience, but this is part of
the deal when you bring in someone like Tom Brady, Like,
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this is not new right, he would do this in
New England. He did it in New England all the time. Yes,
all the time, and really if you pay attention to it,
because we talk about it at least once a year,
a quarterback getting in you know, other guy's faces, or
somebody having a meltdown on the sidelines, and we act
like this is a big deal. But the reality is
where football is clearly a microcosm of society, it is
also in the same token, very different than everywhere other
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kind of workplace. Like this is intensity. You're not running
full speed directly into your co workers or your peers, yes,
for three hours straight. The testosterone these games are urgent,
like you and another thing is when you do have
a problem, Joel, you may have twelve seconds to get
You got to be like Boon, let's do it, let's go,
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and let's I say, high responsibility, high level of consequences.
If you don't win, forget the money and everything else.
You're talking about jobs, You're talking about a lot of
there's a lot of pressures in the situations, very high
pressure situation. You and I both played sports growing up. Sure,
you had coaches yell at you. Oh, I had coaches yellow.
It's just the way. You gotta get over it. But
at the end of the day, it's who is yelling
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at you. Because I had coaches who I knew had
no idea what they were talking about. Not that I
knew more, but I knew other coaches knew what they
were talking about. And this particular coach didn't. The only
way he could communicate was just to yell ye. And
that's not effective. That ain't the case with Tom Brady.
There's no one on that team that can tell with
Tom Brady anything at all. The only person I'm sure
he even allows to do that is Bruce Arians because
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he's the coach and he wants to be coached, but
you can't just it's okay to get yelled at by
the greatest to ever do it. It's gonna make you better. Finally,
ty Low has been mentioned in many NBA head coaching
searches this year, and he is the front runner. He's
been a front runner for the Clippers, but Houston is
also emerging as a top contender. According to Woades, Lou
gains significant momentum and bec the rockets next head coach
(29:01):
after the meeting with ownership on Monday. I thought he's
a Clippers guy as well. Apparently, Houston has has emerged
as a top contender. Jeff Van Gundy is also expected
to meet meet with Houston this week. Well, who's taking
the Clipper job? Well, it's it's basically between Lou and
Jeff Van Gundelippers and Houston. Okay, so the okay, I
would take the Clipper job, though, if you're til yeah,
(29:25):
I get, I get. I think Kauhi Listen, the Paul
George issue is what it is. But the team plays
well together when they play together, and I think Houston's
just I think it's I said this this morning. It's
the worst good job in sports. You're just the Westbrook
Harden thing over time is not going to be a
great playoff. I mean, I would take the Clippers situation.
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It's it's it seems like it's more seamless. Let's not
sell all our stock because the Ravens lost to the
Chiefs and the Clippers lost in the playoffs, like they're
really good teams. I don't think anyone should overreact to
what happened with the Clippers, and I do think everyone
needs a keeping perspective that the West is going to
look very different next year, as will the East. Again,
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Katie is coming back, like it's going to be a
different situation. The Miami Heat are going to be a
year older, Tylie Kendricks. No, A're not gonna be rookies anymore.
They just went through finals series against Lebron James. Like
Boston's going to come back with a chip on their shoulder.
The Phoenix Suns were incredible in the bubble. They're developing team,
Like everything's not going to be as simple as it was.
This not simple, but like it's not going to be
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a repeat of what we saw this year. Like the
league is going to look a little bit different. The
Warriors like there's a lot that's going to change. So
I mean Tyler as the Cavs head coach has a
once twenty eight and eighty three regular season record, three
straight Dinals appearances. Yeah, he doesn't take bs. So he'll
call out Westbrook and he'll call out Paul George. So
the thing about it, I think he's a good fit
either place. Yeah no, no no, no, Like there's places Mike
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Dantoni doesn't work. Tylu will get in. His reputation is
he'll get in Lebron's face. And you have to when
you have a star like Paul George needs to talking
to and sometimes James Harden, you gotta sit down and
tell him the truth, and he didn't want to hear him.
Tyler's respected and he's proven he is able to work
with superstars. Yes, championship. Good stuff. Job with the news.
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That's fascinating. Will Blackman also a wine Somalier best dress man.
He is joining me now live all right, we got
a bunch of stuff to talk about. So I had
my coaches yelled at me. My stepdad yelled at me.
I've been yelled at my whole life. My wife yells
at me. I'm probably being yelled at when Brady barks
at all his teammates, and six days later, everybody's still
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talking about it in Tampa. Do you think it could
unravel a locker room? But why were you able to
take care? Take care of that getting yelled at? Right?
I always tell people I can play for any kind
of coach as long as they don't come at me
with an ego. So if they're yelled at me because
they want their they have their best interest into me,
then it's all good. Like you saw how how much
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fun they had in the offseason, how Brady took care
of everybody, how they worked out, how he was beloved,
and he also has the stripe. So for him to
go in and cuss everybody, yeut and get mad like
I mean, it's not going to deteriorate the locker room.
Did you yell maybe? Did you ever get yelled at
by a player? Oh? Plenty of time. I got yelled
at by Charles Woodson. I got yelled at by Harris.
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I got yelled at by Aaron Kentman. Aaron one time
I came on the plane, I forget where we were
traveling to when I had McDonald's, and he was furious
that I will put something like that in my body
before a game. He let me up. This is Aaron Kaman.
He's probably the holiest guy on the team. That's funny.
So Joy and I are watching Alex Smith and we
literally are a nervous wreck. I mean, I even I
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turned the game and I'm like, oh God, can't watch
Alex Smith play so as a player and you had
a bunch of surgeries, how did it sit with you? One,
I totally commend and respect his resiliency to even want
to come back and continue to play football. I had
nine surgeries. I still have authritis in my hands, my knees,
and my feet till this day. I know plenty of
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guys who had one knee surgery and they checked out,
you know. To sit there and have seventeen on one,
I mean, I still have anesthesia in my body. I
can't much imagine how much he has. But to sit
there and go through that and to want to come back,
and also to play on that field, that field I
play in that field for what two and a half years.
That field is terrible. And to go out there and
still have the confidence to go ahead and play. I
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literally was sitting on pins and needles, like, oh, I
just hope he's okay, But at the same time knowing
that he would not go out there if he wasn't confident,
you know. And I went through it mentally too, like
I did not want to play until I was totally confident.
It took some time for me to trust it. So
I'm very, very happy, and I totally apploy him. He's
instantly my comeback play to year. He just had to
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take one snap and he got comeback play to year. Yeah.
So you know, it's interesting. When I watched the Cowboys defense,
the thing that jumps out to me is not just
people are in the wrong place, but I always think
I judge a defense on do they make the offense uncomfortable?
Aaron Donald makes you uncomfortable? Khalil Mack or a great corner.
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So is the Dallas defense? Is it the scheme? Is
it the players? Is that the personnel when you look
at I mean, god, they made the Giants look dynamic
on offense. What is the problem with it? In your opinion?
Will Well? I know I picked Dallas as my fantasy
team for a defense this week. I picked them up
because they're playing the Giants. The biggest thing for me
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is I see zero trust. I see zero chemistry. They
have the personnel, they have the people. There's no trust,
no chemistry, and no display. And I understand coach McCarthy's
he said, I'm not a big fan of one called defense.
He hired Don Capers, who has that crazy blitzburg type
of defense. I mean, the playbook was bigger than the
offensive playbook. But sometimes when you when you want to
get guys in the same page, especially with the limited offseason,
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a one call defense is okay because at the end
of the day, if everyone lines up what it's supposed
to be, everyone knows their weakness, everyone can communicate and
be on the same page. I had coaches say, listen,
we can call it cover to the entire game. As
long as you do your job and you know the
weaknesses are, you'll be okay. I'd rather that happen than
guys not knowing what happens with somebody emotions. What happened
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was when the offense shifts knowing situations. So for I
would definitely simplify the defense. And to get the chemistry,
they just need to spend more time and watch film together.
That's the best way to develop that kind of chemistry.
You know it's Lavy and Bell got release yesterday and
Adam Gasee has struggled with Jamal Adams. He struggled in
Miami with some star players he did not get along
(36:19):
with Lavy and Bell and Jarvis. You know, you do
get to it, and I'm wrong on this because I
thought he had a lot of Kyle Shanahan. I thought
he was a real clever guy. But you do get
to a point, did in your years a plan for
the Giants, Washington Packers, Jags? Did you ever feel there
was a coach he didn't even have to be a
head coach that sometimes couldn't deal with stars or couldn't
(36:40):
deal with high profile guys. Yeah. I mean there was
a point where when I was in Jacksonville, and I'll
say it, coach coach of a d Walk Dwayne Walker.
He's now the defensive back coach for the Browns. He
and I clash. Not to say I was a star player,
but I was a starter, and he and I clash
because I almost felt like he felt like that I
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wanted certain control. You know. I always invited the guys
out to watch film. I invited the guys out to
hang out and build chemistry, and maybe he felt like
I was trying to take control, which was never the case. Eventually,
he and I had some heart to hearts and he
and I are really good friends. Now. I help out
at his football camp here in Pasadena and he and
I are super close. But initially we had that issue,
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that clash, you know, and I was like, man, maybe
it's his ego. I don't know what he's getting at.
But my thing is, at the end of the day,
if we all take care of each other, we all win,
we all get paid. And I just feel like it
has to be that has to be the only thing
that matters for any organization, no matter, no, it doesn't
matter what the egos are. It's like, let's just figure
(37:44):
this out so we all can take care of each other.
By the way, I'm thinking about that yelling thing, so
I've I've always been comfortable getting yelled at, and you
got yelled at. Did you ever yell at anybody? Did
I ever know? That was never my style? You know.
I was never the I was never allowed. I was
never a pool guys. I was the one that pool
guys to the side, you know, I'll talk to you
and confidence talk to you quietly. I was never raw raw.
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I was never that guy. That's interesting now, now if
it got to the point where Okay, I told you once,
told you twice, and it's like like, dude, like like
we just went over this, you know what I'm saying.
But that's just that's just not my style, but I
understand when people get it. I had my first coach.
I was seven years old. He cussed me out, and
I remember I looked at my dad, and my dad
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turned his back on me and walked away, and I
was like, yo, like what's up? Man? You know? But
he knew that the coach loved the kids, so it
was all good because they came from a place of love. Yeah.
By the way, basketball basketball question, are you a Lebron
guy or a Michael Jordan guy? Oh, Michael Jordan guy.
I'm a Michael Jordan guy in terms of like history,
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but I'm a massive Lebron fans all right. I was
gonna say a lot a lot of Michael haters having
bad weeks. I was just seeing how you're sitting with
all this Lebron dominating the world stuff. How's it sitting
with you? No? I love. I feel like you have
two different players. You have the facilitator and you have
the scorer. They're totally different. Um. I respect Lebron's entire
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career since he was in middle school tonight, I feel
like no one on earth can handle what he does.
What he did. He's kind of reminds me of how
Dion was for Higher in the nineties, Like, if you
want a Super Bowl, you hire Dion, If you want
to tie on the NBA, you hire lebron Um. I
just think just overall, his package in terms of the
brand and the player, supersedes anyone. But I feel like,
(39:29):
just with Jordan in terms of his mental strength and
endurance as a player to really terrify everybody else, there's
there's no one else like him. You're a wine Somalia.
When's the last class of great wine? What's the last
last great glass of wine you had? What was it
the last great glass? You know what? I'm tasting a
(39:50):
bunch of I got a bunch of you can't see
it in my officer. I got wine all over the
place right now. Um. I just had a Rousson from
um s Wood that was pretty good. I just had
old Peter Noir Melville. You like Peinter Noir. Peter Noir
from Melville and Santa Rita Hills. It's actually in my
subscription box this month, so you buy this time. I'm
(40:11):
not sending you anything that was very direct. You were
yelling at me, listen. I felt like one of Brady's
teammates right there. Getting yelled at. Don't be sensitive now, Okay,
I know you've been getting blasted. I know Cleveland's been
winning and you're kind of like, oh, you're feeling it
right now. I understand, right, Good seeing you, Boddy, I
love having all right. Shout out to Joy for supporting
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the one MVP, the only person in the Fox building
to support my brand. Oh, come on, we support Will Blackman,
come on style. It was it was great. This this
month was Twain Wade's wine, so it was perfect. Yeah,
I mean she kind of had to, right, it was
the Wade hat to all right, buddy, Will Blackman love
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Taylor at Lebron James and I'm loving every second of this.
Has now moved into the gloating stage. He's on social media,
got a cigar. He's talking about, you know, pushing back
(00:48):
in all the haters. Now, I I like this. I
said this. I think last week is that every loser
on Twitter wants to tell you they're the you know,
the Prince, They're a CEO, they're they're a Titan of
commerce and they're living with their mom. It's okay. Occasionally
if an Aaron Rodgers or Lebron James goes, now, I'm
pretty good, and he is gloating about it. There's a
(01:09):
bunch of images on social media where Lebron is firing
back and and Tristan Thompson, by the way, won a
championship with him. Was on our show a couple days ago,
and Tristan Thompson said, I love it as well. It's
about damn time. Listen. I've been telling him for years.
I said, listen, man, you're the best player. You're the
(01:30):
best player every that's played this game. You gotta start talking.
I know you you're the nice guy, and you know
you don't want you know, you want to make everyone happy,
but you gotta. You gotta talk to talk, you walk
to walk, you want to dunk on guys and block
shots and all this stuff. You gotta let them know.
Put some respect on your name. And every time you
give him a challenge, he just looks at it and
takes it on and it makes makes greatness out of it.
So I'm glad he said about time. And by the way,
(01:52):
I do think the bubble um was one of the things.
Lebron's not only physically the best, I think he's intellectually
and emotionally the best player in the league. Jan Wanda
was talking this week and he said, it's such a
pleasure to play with Lebron. Rono is a very much
a thinking man's player. He can wear people out. And
Lebron and Rondo are perfect together because they really play
(02:13):
the game, I think intellectually at a just a different
level than the average athlete in America or the NBA.
And this bubble to me is more significant, not less significant,
because one of the things Adam Silver was quoted as
saying about a year ago when he was asked about
his players, he said, they're all unhappy because social media
is eating them alive. And I tell my kids this
(02:33):
all the time. Criticism can only do two things to you,
inspire you and motivate you or crush you. And it
crushed a lot of guys in the bubble, and social
media is crushing a lot of young kids. It is
inspiring Lebron James and he is gloating a little bit
now and he's saying, I heard all. I'm now the
advantage to Lebron. He's thirty five. He didn't grow up
(02:54):
with social media, so it's probably much easier for him
to put the phone down for a day or two
or three or four or five. He's done that before,
and it is easier for me than it would be
my daughter or my son because they grew up in it.
But Lebron James isn't just the best player. He is
physically the best player. I think intellectually. Rondo talked about it,
he is at a different level. And I think emotionally
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this bubble ate up a lot of people, and Adam
Silver acknowledges social media is tough on our players. This
is the best I've seen Lebron play in a long time.
I thought his leadership was amazing. I thought, I'll tell
you this. I was talking to somebody yesterday, if forget
it was a coach, and we talked about this, and
I said, the advantage to the bubble is nobody had
(03:35):
to get on planes. So these old guys like Rondo
and Lebron, who were older players, were totally energized. Rondo
and Lebron were playing like twenty seven year old guy defense.
And that's where I think the bubble if the league
is going to make any change, because you know how
like when you have COVID has forced all of us
to rethink our travel and rethink our lives and zoom meetings.
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The one thing I got out of the bubble, the
quality of energy from the players was unbelievable. Lebron looks
like a kid. Stop with these seven game first round series.
Shorten the number of games these first round playoff series
three games. If you win the first two at home,
you're on. The quality the energy of the defense for
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veteran players was so good. I think that's a direct
connection to they're not on planes all year. They're not
seven I mean, good God, two at home just for
one playoff series. Two at home, two on the road.
You come back home, you go there, you come back
to seal it. I take one cross country flight. If
I flew from Chicago to LA I need two days
(04:46):
with no cocktails to get over it. You can't just
keep these guys were in the bubble. The quality of
energy was through the roof. And go ahead, Lebron, gloat, gloat.
Now you know this is the time I consider this
kind of mentor pupil stage of the show. Let's bring
(05:07):
on Joel Klatt, the voice of college football for Fox Sports.
Joel Klatt, Let's bring him on the only guest with
a courage to come in studio. Great to see you. Well,
you know, I really I like to impart wisdom on kids,
and I think the opportunity for you to learn a
little from Uncle Colin. So let's start with this before
(05:28):
we real quick. You haven't been on a cross country flight.
Apparently you're not yourself without a couple of days. No cocktails, right,
I mean, my goodness. By the way, can I push
back just a moment on what you were talking about
there with Lebron? Yeah, And it's not even just Lebron specific.
I just think it's this, you know, you're you're you're
very into kind of feeling yourself and this puffing your
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chest out. I love it when Rogers talks back and
Lebron talks back and all this different stuff. Just at home.
Think about this for a moment. Those people that hate
you don't want to hear what you have to say.
Those people that love you, regardless, they don't need to
hear what you have to say. The only way that
your words are impactful if is if you're respected. Right,
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And I'm not saying he's not respected. I'm just I'm
just saying, like, throwing it out there. Just to get
favor with the people that love you is never going
to be the way to generate any impactful meaning with
your words. So there you go. Well, I like to
puff the chest one, I bet you do. I bet
you do. Speaking of puff in the chest? Um, where
(06:35):
is the state of Texas and Tom Herman today? They
are wildly entertaining and there is something wrong on that.
They're eighteen and twelve in the in the big twelve. Yeah,
you know, what's what's fascinating to me is that they're
entertaining right now under Herman kind of kind of like
a car crash is entertaining right because you can't take it.
It's it's like it's like a beautiful mess and you
(06:57):
can't take your eyes off it. And and it is,
And that's really frustrating for that fan base and the
fashion in which they continue to go out there and
lose games and play the sloppiness, the lack of execution
that's wearing on people down there, in particular with where
their roster is. And I gave you the stats last
week they had coming into the season thirty players with starts.
That's that's so many guys. I mean, that's a such
(07:20):
an experienced roster. They have a quarterback that's now started
thirty seven games. Uh, they've got the fifth most talented
roster in all of college football and they're out there
getting punts blocked and having personal fact it's just it's
very sloppy and it's wearing very thin. In particular in
a year in which a lot of people thought this
was going to be the year for Texas that they
(07:41):
could dethrone Oklahoma not only in Red River but potentially
for the Big Twelve championship. So even in a COVID year,
I gotta tell you that game Saturday was was not
good for the outlook of the future of that staff,
in particular Tom Herman. And and just a side note,
and this is what I think it's lost. A lot
of times when we discuss things like this, people are
(08:02):
you know, it's usually black or white, Oh, all or nothing.
You know, he's he's gone, He's not gone. A lot
of it has to do with the nuance in the
context of losses, and the context of the last two
losses for Texas. Chris del Connie is Tom Herman's boss.
He's the athletic director at Texas, where he came from
where TCU, that's who they just lost to. That doesn't
(08:23):
sit well with a guy who just left TCU to
go to Texas because he thought it was bigger, it
was better, I can do more things at Texas. And
then you sit there and you watch TCU beat your
club in a year in which they're supposed to be
really good. That doesn't sit well with the decision maker.
And then the context of the loss to OU, with
OU and their roster where it's at. And I explained
this last week with the rebuild that OU is clearly under.
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That was a devastating loss for Texas. Now we'll see
what happens with the future of the season and how
they can get back to some semblance of quality play.
But you know, even in a COVID year, watch out
down there in Austin. So I was, it's funny about
the SEC. The defenses aren't so hot in the SEC either,
not anymore everybody in this so it is interesting what
(09:07):
in Alabama's defense this has not got torched. Not a
special defense. And I watched that. It's not as good upfront,
it's not quite as fast. It's just not It doesn't
make you as uncomfortable as a quarterback Alabama always makes
you uncomfortable. It's just not quite as So, here's my
not the defense's fault. What are you saying. I'm just saying,
(09:28):
what if it's not specifically any of these defenses, what
if it's the The evolution of offense has nullified the
effect of even great defenses, because great defenses all have
one thing in common is that that is that they
are great at the defensive line position, right, they win
the line of scrimmage and then it makes you struggle
offensively for the rest of the game. And the spread offense,
(09:52):
colin has totally neutralized the effect of the defensive line
because the spread out the modern offense, and now I
think it's it's really permeated throughout college football, and you've
got some great coordinators out there. But what you're seeing
right now is the neutralization of great front seven players
by the spread offense. Because the spread offense, if run
and executed correctly, is always right. You've always heard the
(10:14):
old adage in baseball that like great pitching always beats
great hitting, Right, Well, great offense always beats great defense
in the modern college football, because the spread offense neutralizes
the numbers there's always options available. You cannot cover the
amount of options that the spread offense presents to you,
and I think that's why you're starting to see some
of these teams struggle. The only way that you can
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get past that as a defense is if you have
great man demand corners. That's the only thing. It's not
even defensive tackles anymore, although those are a great plus.
I'm not saying that you don't have to have those.
I'm just saying that if you don't have great corners
that can just lockdown wide receivers and take away that
option because they're better man on man, then you're going
to struggle as a defense. So let me talk about
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this Trevor Lawrence things. So I said this week, everybody's saying, oh,
what teams will take Trevor Lawrence in the draft? Okay?
And I said, let's turn the telescope around what teams won't.
And I put the top fifteen teams in the draft today,
the draft rowarder in the draft. We know it's more fascinating.
That's a great question. So the Bengals they love Burrow
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and the Chargers love Justin Herbert the Giant. We were
wrong on Herbert, you and I no, I think you
were wrong. I mean we we we were wrong on
her tape. Congratulations on Herbert. Giants would absolutely take him. Absolutely,
Atlanta's moving off thirty six year old. They're just not
going to move off him yet because of cap space.
Jets would take him. Chargers won't, Washington, Wood, Jags, Wood
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Vikings would. If I don't see two of looking at
the door, I don't know about If I see TWOA
for eight games and I'm like, well, Burrow and Herbert
are having no problems with this league and he is choppy,
do I consider it? Lions would, Broncos Wood. I love Wentz,
but you could get a first round pick for Wins.
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I just don't think that the Eagles would would. Okay,
are going to be bad enough to get up there.
I know the Bengals won't. Forty nine Ers, damn right,
they would. And even New England I think they're gonna
sign Cam to a two year deal, they would take
it in. New England would have. So my takeaway is
with Trevor Lawrence. I look around this league and I'm
not sure there's I counted seven teams that wouldn't take him.
Seattle Green Bay, Kansas City. Yeah, that's fascinating right there.
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And you know what's fascinating to me is then then
how valuable do the pieces become that he's replacing. How
how valuable does a Daniel Jones become or a Matt
Ryan to to a roster that's ready to win right now?
Or this was a prime example. So if you're the Jets,
the Colts are a quarterback away. They have the line,
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they have the defense, all the analytics, they've got the
running back, they got the coats, they got the GM.
They don't they had Jacobe Bersett and Philip Rivers. They
can't even roll out Sam Darnold to Indianapolis. Well, I
mean maybe any of those guys, right um, Daniel Jones
might fit and can move, So you're absolutely, I think
India is the most ready to win right now. Absolutely.
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You know of a lot of those teams, maybe Matt Ryan,
although I don't know if they want an immobile guy,
but he could be a Listen, if I'm the forty
nine ers and I'm like, I'm sorry, wait, Matt Ryan
could be available, That's a team that I would if
I was Matt Ryan, I would really look at because
Matt Ryan has had success in that West Coast offense
before with Kyle Shanahan when they went to a Super
Bowl and probably should have beat the Patriots. That would
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that would fit right there. So that's another interesting pieces.
And by the way, I don't want to get just
caught up in like Lawrence is the only prize possession.
I think that you might have the same exact discussion
about Justin fields with all those teams state quarterback and
and maybe Trey Lance, the North Dakota State kid, who
is phenomenal. By the way, he's only gonna play one game,
he already played it a couple of weeks ago, but
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he's going to have that type of of of acumen
coming into the NFL, in particular with what guys have
done that have come from North Dkota State. So this
is this is gonna be a fascinating NFL draft this spring,
in particular at the quarterback position, because there's gonna be,
like you said, fourteen fifteen teams that are gonna have
to make a decision. Okay, So let's talk about Justin Herbert.
Now I had said we had tape. Oh I had
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said about Herbert, this is a lie I said about mentors.
Mentors don't lie. Please tell the truth. I said about Herbert,
I said after the Rose Bowl, I said, you know who,
he reminds me of a lesser Trevor Lawrence. Big, smart, tall, strong, confident,
can run. You did not like him at all. You
thought he was just a I was victim of victim
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okay seeing and this happened, by the way, this happens
to gems and scouts all the time. And I talked
to him about this and I fell. I fell hook
line and sinker. I had him last year live at
USC and I wasn't impressed, and so I was like, ah,
and it stuck with me. It clouded my ability to
evaluate what he was. And then, to be quite honest
with you, I didn't love Organ's offense. He was a
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sea thrower. He waited to see guys open. He didn't
anticipate a lot. So I was like, this is not
going to quite translate to the league. And it's totally flipped.
He's out there anticipating windows, throwing beautiful balls down down
the field. His arm is has always been oh, very special,
and then he's showing that athleticism like you're you're showing
right here, him getting out of the pocket, the ability
to have the arm strength to continue to get the
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ball down into tight windows. He has been a huge
bright spot I think in the NFL, and a guy
that charges have got to be elated about in terms
of their future at the quarterback position. I was, by
the way, I'll always do this, Colin won't. I was
dead wrong on Herbert and and happy to say that
because I'm really glad he's having success. I won't say
that because after the Rose Ball and he right, Okay, yeah, yeah,
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we have tape of it. I'm just we couldn't find
it this morning, but we had tape of it. Okay,
so this is interesting. Here's your Your top ten has Clemson,
Ohio State, Bama, Georgia, blah blah blah, all that stuff.
You have Notre Dame at five. Yeah. Now, there's a
big gap in the world between the top four teams
in college football and about five or six are good teams.
I've seen Washington go to this thing and can't move
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the ball against Alabama. When I say Notre Dame, when
I hear those first four, I'm like, yep. And then
I hear Notre Dame and I'm like, yeah, it's a
different group of people. I totally agree with you. And
that's why when I'm doing this top ten, it's really
a top four four. You go like that, you know,
you write the top four end and really you know
everyone's gonna be like, oh, how's Bama behind it? Tears
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right there the top four Like Notre Dame can't beat
any of those teams, um not, not this week. I
don't know about the by the end of the year
or not. But it's the college football playoff. You could
make a strong argument has hurt the sport because why
one hundred percent? Because it's a it's a self perpetuating
cycle that the most quality players go to the only
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teams that go to the playoff, and then those teams
go back to the playoff and then get the best players,
and then they go back to the playoff, and then
they get the best players and go back. Did you
know that if you took Ohio State, Alabama, Clemson, in Oklahoma,
they've made seventeen in college football playoff appearances. Seventeen. That's
really good, right, Excellence. We love to celebrate excellence. The
rest of the country combined has seven appearances combined. Right,
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So the separation of the classes has become more significant
due to the playoff than before the playoff. And I
would make an argument that, to be honest, it's made
our industry lazy because everything outside of the top four
is like, well that's no good. So you're you were
about to go down the roads like, ah, I can
Notre Dame beat those who cares? Right, Well, it's not
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black and white like that, because if I'm a Notre
Dame fan, let's just put this into perspective right now.
Did you know Notre Dame is trying to do this
season something that they've never done in their history. Do
you know what it is? Win ten or more games
in four consecutive seasons. They've never done that in their history.
They've never done it. They had a guy and a
horse in the backfield. That's well, they were partly because
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they're only playing like seven and eight games back there
in that part of their history. But you've got Ohio
State doing it, you know, year over year, Alabama doing
it year over year, Mac Browne at Texas did it
year over year over year, and they have never gone
four straight seasons with ten or more wins. So what
Brian Kelly is actually doing. It is historically good for them,
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and I'm not saying that they're a tier below, and yes,
they want to compete for and potentially win a national championship,
but it has made the playoff has made commentary a
bit lazy because we don't acknowledge what's going on in
some of these programs. Did you know that Miami has
only won ten or more games since going to the
ACC one time. No one knows that, right, No one
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knows that one time since leaving the Big Ten they
won ten or more games. So what Manny Diaz is
trying to do to get them to compete at the
Clemson level is really really tough. And yet they go,
they don't play well, and we want to throw them away.
So again your take on like top four and then
everybody else, Yes, it's absolutely true, and it's partly due
to the fact that the playoff stopping where it stops
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has hurt college football in general. No, I like to
talk about winners, all right. You know what made me
think of a game? I'm gonna do this game next week.
I'm gonna do this game next week. It's one of
my favorite games, which one drives the almost upset of
the week. No is it coming back. It drives people crazy.
I have a theory that if you take geography, history, budgets,
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recruiting base, all that stuff that and you have a
twelve game schedule as as the base of it. Okay,
there's a number for every college team. I totally agree.
So you take out your best coach ever, Washington. Don
James can't count him, right, you take out your worst
coach ever, Washington. I won't. I won't bludge him, but
take him out. And there's a number for Washington on
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a twelve game schedule to win. And I always argue
with my friends in Seattle. It's eight and a half
to nine. You think it's eleven. I would totally agree
with that because there's no there's no players up there.
So I believe the unrealistic expectations of individual fan base
out of control. Only a minute left, I'm gonna give
you the school on a twelve game schedule. There's only
there's only all right, you have the number and you
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can do a half. Okay, there's only like four eleven
and a halfs Alabama eleven and a half, Ohio State eleven,
USC ten so that's very interesting. So because I always
put them at eleven because the lack of amitment from
everybody else out west, but they have their valleys are
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lower than the Ohio States or the Alabamas in the world.
Alabama very rarely, if ever, goes down, and when they
go down, it's very quick, whereas USC will hit troughs
and it lasts for a while. Heck, they're in a
trough right now. Let me give you another one. Oregon
eight and a half. I'd go eight, Wisconsin ten and
a half. Oh come more than USC? Yeah, oh lord,
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there's no players. They're more consistent than USC. But that's
because they've had unbelievable coaching streaks. Barry Alvarez. I mean,
they've they've got they've had great coaches. Wisconsin. If you're
asking me about what which team fan base, administration knows
themselves better than anybody else in the country, it's Wisconsin.
There they understand who they are, how they have success,
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why they have success, and that's why they do have
success year over year over year. They were in the
summer broken stocks with socks. That's not a ten and
a half. I mean, so does Oregon and I can't
and you had Oregon is at eight and a half. Yeah,
but but Oregon was good for like a blink of
an eye. All right, well, they we'll play this game
next week. We got a lot of commercials. This show
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That was kind of wild. Yesterday the Dodgers fell into
a hole came roaring back. These two teams should score runs,
but the Dodgers were not hitting going into yesterday's game.
So we're gonna have a real series here going forward.
Good stuff, by the way, you know, I will I
said this earlier about the Tennessee Buffalo game last night.
It takes you five or six games to kind of feel.
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Like Bill Belichick's always said, there's two seasons in the NFL.
There's pre Thanksgiving, there's post Thanksgiving. What's interesting about Buffalo
is everybody's you know, beating up a little bit on
on Josh Allen. He had a really bad pick, but
he had no time to throw. The question about Buffalo
is gonna be this what about their defense? Because I
watched Tennessee's offense, and I watched Baltimore's offense, and I
watched Kansas City's offense, and I watched the Raiders offense,
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and I watched the New England's offense with Cam and
I thought, coming into this, see he's in Buffalo's defense.
It was number two in the NFL last year. I
don't know what the answer is. And they were missing
a couple of guys last night. Buffalo's defense is not good.
Enough to get to a Super Bowl today, not through
the AFC. So Josh Allen's not the problem. Josh Allen
may throws last night. It's it's insane looking it is.
He's making throws that like, I'm not even sure Maholmes
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can make some of these throws. He's not the issue.
He didn't have a lot of time. He had one
bad pick. But I don't know what happened to Buffalo's defense.
Is a personnel is at coaching right now. It is
not good enough to win the AFC. You're not gonna
beat Baltimore with that. You got clappered by Tennessee. You're
not beating Kansas City. And I mean they beat the
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Raiders a couple of weeks ago, so I guess you
know they're good enough to beat the Raiders. But if
you look at him right now, third down percentage, they're
thirtieth points a game, twenty first passing yard, and last
year they were great. So I don't know what happened
because Sean mcdermot's a great coach, but something's different where
they're they're an offensive team now and when their offense stalls,
they're done. Joy with the news. No, no, This is
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before this season, and Sean McVay thinks that handing over
some of the responsibility to do his staff has helped
him focus more on the team as a whole. He said,
what I wanted to do is try and be more
present with our team, be around defense, special teams in
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the offense a little bit more, be around the staff
members a little bit more. Adding those guys has been
really huge in terms of being able to just kind
of take a step back. That's definitely something that I'm
trying to do well. He's also been he's had this
offense now joy for several years, so Goff knows it.
So you can hand a little bit of a responsibility
off to Goff and Andrew were the offensive line. There's
a lot of you know, I mean, you don't have
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to be in every meeting now, right, And they've seen
the results of it. Their offenses improved fourth in total
yards per game they were seventh in two nineteen seventh
and rush yards per game they were twenty sixth in
twenty nineteen, and their defense has improved across the board
from twenty nineteen, twenty and twenty as well. Scoring defense,
total defense, and past defense are all in top five
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in the NFL. I was shocked how they physically dominated Washington.
Now Washington's not as good at quarterback, but when you
watch that game, it was like, oh, this is a
misman It's like a bad fight in the octagon. You're like, oh,
this isn't close, Like you couldn't block Aaron Donald And no,
you know, they're a bad call that Buffalo game. Even
though I won that bat, they're a bad call away
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from being undefeated. I think your points, Uh yeah, I
agree with that call. That call is awful. Buffalo fans
were freaking out, like it's okay. So people get bad calls.
The rams will get over it. But you can just
admit that when it was a back hall. Let's sometimes
they go you're a way, sometimes they don't, but it
was a back hall. But to your point, when you
have your system in place for a couple of years,
this is to me what great coaches and great leaders do.
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Let's just delegate a little bit, tire great people so
they can be great at their job, so that you
can take care of everything, like when you're the head coach,
which is a lot more going on. We don't really
think of head coaches in the way in the pros
the way that we do in college, but there is
still a lot of inner personal relationship stuff that that
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head coaches have to handle that we just we don't
talk about it because you know, and obviously in colleges
amateurs and they're much younger. But there's a lot that's
on your plate as a head coach, especially in a
year like this that you're dealing with, so being able
to rely on your coordinators as massive. But that's what
happens when you hire the right people. So during the
Bucks lost of the Bears last Thursday, Tom Brady was
seen yelling at his teammates on the sideline and he's
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still very upset about it, and Bruce Arian says he's
perfectly fine with his quarterback doing that. Just be yourself.
I don't I don't have any problem with it, or
at least I don't have to go back to and
custom out ey'ybody got in the air fall by the
time I get over there. So, um, Tom's gotta be Tom.
I'm not gonna ask him to be somebody different. He
does a good you have a patent him on the
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back too. He might explode, but he's gonna go down
there and pat him on the back and get him gone.
Leadershire Troy and used to barket guys like leadership's hard,
you know. Arion said last week that having Tom out
there's like having another coach on the field. Obviously he
has a wealth of experience, but this is part of
the deal when you bring in someone like Tom Brady, Like,
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this is not new right, he would do this in
New England. He did it in New England all the time. Yes,
all the time, and really if you pay attention to it,
because we talk about it at least once a year,
a quarterback getting in you know, other guy's faces, or
somebody having a meltdown on the sidelines, and we act
like this is a big deal. But the reality is
where football is clearly a microcosm of society, it is
also in the same token, very different than everywhere other
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kind of workplace. Like this is intensity. You're not running
full speed directly into your co workers or your peers, yes,
for three hours straight. The testosterone these games are urgent,
like you and another thing is when you do have
a problem, Joel, you may have twelve seconds to get
You got to be like Boon, let's do it, let's go,
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and let's I say, high responsibility, high level of consequences.
If you don't win, forget the money and everything else.
You're talking about jobs, You're talking about a lot of
there's a lot of pressures in the situations, very high
pressure situation. You and I both played sports growing up. Sure,
you had coaches yell at you. Oh, I had coaches yellow.
It's just the way. You gotta get over it. But
at the end of the day, it's who is yelling
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at you. Because I had coaches who I knew had
no idea what they were talking about. Not that I
knew more, but I knew other coaches knew what they
were talking about. And this particular coach didn't. The only
way he could communicate was just to yell ye. And
that's not effective. That ain't the case with Tom Brady.
There's no one on that team that can tell with
Tom Brady anything at all. The only person I'm sure
he even allows to do that is Bruce Arians because
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he's the coach and he wants to be coached, but
you can't just it's okay to get yelled at by
the greatest to ever do it. It's gonna make you better. Finally,
ty Low has been mentioned in many NBA head coaching
searches this year, and he is the front runner. He's
been a front runner for the Clippers, but Houston is
also emerging as a top contender. According to Woades, Lou
gains significant momentum and bec the rockets next head coach
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after the meeting with ownership on Monday. I thought he's
a Clippers guy as well. Apparently, Houston has has emerged
as a top contender. Jeff Van Gundy is also expected
to meet meet with Houston this week. Well, who's taking
the Clipper job? Well, it's it's basically between Lou and
Jeff Van Gundelippers and Houston. Okay, so the okay, I
would take the Clipper job, though, if you're til yeah,
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I get, I get. I think Kauhi Listen, the Paul
George issue is what it is. But the team plays
well together when they play together, and I think Houston's
just I think it's I said this this morning. It's
the worst good job in sports. You're just the Westbrook
Harden thing over time is not going to be a
great playoff. I mean, I would take the Clippers situation.
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It's it's it seems like it's more seamless. Let's not
sell all our stock because the Ravens lost to the
Chiefs and the Clippers lost in the playoffs, like they're
really good teams. I don't think anyone should overreact to
what happened with the Clippers, and I do think everyone
needs a keeping perspective that the West is going to
look very different next year, as will the East. Again,
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Katie is coming back, like it's going to be a
different situation. The Miami Heat are going to be a
year older, Tylie Kendricks. No, A're not gonna be rookies anymore.
They just went through finals series against Lebron James. Like
Boston's going to come back with a chip on their shoulder.
The Phoenix Suns were incredible in the bubble. They're developing team,
Like everything's not going to be as simple as it was.
This not simple, but like it's not going to be
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a repeat of what we saw this year. Like the
league is going to look a little bit different. The
Warriors like there's a lot that's going to change. So
I mean Tyler as the Cavs head coach has a
once twenty eight and eighty three regular season record, three
straight Dinals appearances. Yeah, he doesn't take bs. So he'll
call out Westbrook and he'll call out Paul George. So
the thing about it, I think he's a good fit
either place. Yeah no, no no, no, Like there's places Mike
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Dantoni doesn't work. Tylu will get in. His reputation is
he'll get in Lebron's face. And you have to when
you have a star like Paul George needs to talking
to and sometimes James Harden, you gotta sit down and
tell him the truth, and he didn't want to hear him.
Tyler's respected and he's proven he is able to work
with superstars. Yes, championship. Good stuff. Job with the news.
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That's fascinating. Will Blackman also a wine Somalier best dress man.
He is joining me now live all right, we got
a bunch of stuff to talk about. So I had
my coaches yelled at me. My stepdad yelled at me.
I've been yelled at my whole life. My wife yells
at me. I'm probably being yelled at when Brady barks
at all his teammates, and six days later, everybody's still
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talking about it in Tampa. Do you think it could
unravel a locker room? But why were you able to
take care? Take care of that getting yelled at? Right?
I always tell people I can play for any kind
of coach as long as they don't come at me
with an ego. So if they're yelled at me because
they want their they have their best interest into me,
then it's all good. Like you saw how how much
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fun they had in the offseason, how Brady took care
of everybody, how they worked out, how he was beloved,
and he also has the stripe. So for him to
go in and cuss everybody, yeut and get mad like
I mean, it's not going to deteriorate the locker room.
Did you yell maybe? Did you ever get yelled at
by a player? Oh? Plenty of time. I got yelled
at by Charles Woodson. I got yelled at by Harris.
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I got yelled at by Aaron Kentman. Aaron one time
I came on the plane, I forget where we were
traveling to when I had McDonald's, and he was furious
that I will put something like that in my body
before a game. He let me up. This is Aaron Kaman.
He's probably the holiest guy on the team. That's funny.
So Joy and I are watching Alex Smith and we
literally are a nervous wreck. I mean, I even I
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turned the game and I'm like, oh God, can't watch
Alex Smith play so as a player and you had
a bunch of surgeries, how did it sit with you? One,
I totally commend and respect his resiliency to even want
to come back and continue to play football. I had
nine surgeries. I still have authritis in my hands, my knees,
and my feet till this day. I know plenty of
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guys who had one knee surgery and they checked out,
you know. To sit there and have seventeen on one,
I mean, I still have anesthesia in my body. I
can't much imagine how much he has. But to sit
there and go through that and to want to come back,
and also to play on that field, that field I
play in that field for what two and a half years.
That field is terrible. And to go out there and
still have the confidence to go ahead and play. I
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literally was sitting on pins and needles, like, oh, I
just hope he's okay, But at the same time knowing
that he would not go out there if he wasn't confident,
you know. And I went through it mentally too, like
I did not want to play until I was totally confident.
It took some time for me to trust it. So
I'm very, very happy, and I totally apploy him. He's
instantly my comeback play to year. He just had to
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take one snap and he got comeback play to year. Yeah.
So you know, it's interesting. When I watched the Cowboys defense,
the thing that jumps out to me is not just
people are in the wrong place, but I always think
I judge a defense on do they make the offense uncomfortable?
Aaron Donald makes you uncomfortable? Khalil Mack or a great corner.
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So is the Dallas defense? Is it the scheme? Is
it the players? Is that the personnel when you look
at I mean, god, they made the Giants look dynamic
on offense. What is the problem with it? In your opinion?
Will Well? I know I picked Dallas as my fantasy
team for a defense this week. I picked them up
because they're playing the Giants. The biggest thing for me
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is I see zero trust. I see zero chemistry. They
have the personnel, they have the people. There's no trust,
no chemistry, and no display. And I understand coach McCarthy's
he said, I'm not a big fan of one called defense.
He hired Don Capers, who has that crazy blitzburg type
of defense. I mean, the playbook was bigger than the
offensive playbook. But sometimes when you when you want to
get guys in the same page, especially with the limited offseason,
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a one call defense is okay because at the end
of the day, if everyone lines up what it's supposed
to be, everyone knows their weakness, everyone can communicate and
be on the same page. I had coaches say, listen,
we can call it cover to the entire game. As
long as you do your job and you know the
weaknesses are, you'll be okay. I'd rather that happen than
guys not knowing what happens with somebody emotions. What happened
(35:56):
was when the offense shifts knowing situations. So for I
would definitely simplify the defense. And to get the chemistry,
they just need to spend more time and watch film together.
That's the best way to develop that kind of chemistry.
You know it's Lavy and Bell got release yesterday and
Adam Gasee has struggled with Jamal Adams. He struggled in
Miami with some star players he did not get along
(36:19):
with Lavy and Bell and Jarvis. You know, you do
get to it, and I'm wrong on this because I
thought he had a lot of Kyle Shanahan. I thought
he was a real clever guy. But you do get
to a point, did in your years a plan for
the Giants, Washington Packers, Jags? Did you ever feel there
was a coach he didn't even have to be a
head coach that sometimes couldn't deal with stars or couldn't
(36:40):
deal with high profile guys. Yeah. I mean there was
a point where when I was in Jacksonville, and I'll
say it, coach coach of a d Walk Dwayne Walker.
He's now the defensive back coach for the Browns. He
and I clash. Not to say I was a star player,
but I was a starter, and he and I clash
because I almost felt like he felt like that I
(37:02):
wanted certain control. You know. I always invited the guys
out to watch film. I invited the guys out to
hang out and build chemistry, and maybe he felt like
I was trying to take control, which was never the case. Eventually,
he and I had some heart to hearts and he
and I are really good friends. Now. I help out
at his football camp here in Pasadena and he and
I are super close. But initially we had that issue,
(37:22):
that clash, you know, and I was like, man, maybe
it's his ego. I don't know what he's getting at.
But my thing is, at the end of the day,
if we all take care of each other, we all win,
we all get paid. And I just feel like it
has to be that has to be the only thing
that matters for any organization, no matter, no, it doesn't
matter what the egos are. It's like, let's just figure
(37:44):
this out so we all can take care of each other.
By the way, I'm thinking about that yelling thing, so
I've I've always been comfortable getting yelled at, and you
got yelled at. Did you ever yell at anybody? Did
I ever know? That was never my style? You know.
I was never the I was never allowed. I was
never a pool guys. I was the one that pool
guys to the side, you know, I'll talk to you
and confidence talk to you quietly. I was never raw raw.
(38:07):
I was never that guy. That's interesting now, now if
it got to the point where Okay, I told you once,
told you twice, and it's like like, dude, like like
we just went over this, you know what I'm saying.
But that's just that's just not my style, but I
understand when people get it. I had my first coach.
I was seven years old. He cussed me out, and
I remember I looked at my dad, and my dad
(38:27):
turned his back on me and walked away, and I
was like, yo, like what's up? Man? You know? But
he knew that the coach loved the kids, so it
was all good because they came from a place of love. Yeah.
By the way, basketball basketball question, are you a Lebron
guy or a Michael Jordan guy? Oh, Michael Jordan guy.
I'm a Michael Jordan guy in terms of like history,
(38:48):
but I'm a massive Lebron fans all right. I was
gonna say a lot a lot of Michael haters having
bad weeks. I was just seeing how you're sitting with
all this Lebron dominating the world stuff. How's it sitting
with you? No? I love. I feel like you have
two different players. You have the facilitator and you have
the scorer. They're totally different. Um. I respect Lebron's entire
(39:08):
career since he was in middle school tonight, I feel
like no one on earth can handle what he does.
What he did. He's kind of reminds me of how
Dion was for Higher in the nineties, Like, if you
want a Super Bowl, you hire Dion, If you want
to tie on the NBA, you hire lebron Um. I
just think just overall, his package in terms of the
brand and the player, supersedes anyone. But I feel like,
(39:29):
just with Jordan in terms of his mental strength and
endurance as a player to really terrify everybody else, there's
there's no one else like him. You're a wine Somalia.
When's the last class of great wine? What's the last
last great glass of wine you had? What was it
the last great glass? You know what? I'm tasting a
(39:50):
bunch of I got a bunch of you can't see
it in my officer. I got wine all over the
place right now. Um. I just had a Rousson from
um s Wood that was pretty good. I just had
old Peter Noir Melville. You like Peinter Noir. Peter Noir
from Melville and Santa Rita Hills. It's actually in my
subscription box this month, so you buy this time. I'm
(40:11):
not sending you anything that was very direct. You were
yelling at me, listen. I felt like one of Brady's
teammates right there. Getting yelled at. Don't be sensitive now, Okay,
I know you've been getting blasted. I know Cleveland's been
winning and you're kind of like, oh, you're feeling it
right now. I understand, right, Good seeing you, Boddy, I
love having all right. Shout out to Joy for supporting
(40:32):
the one MVP, the only person in the Fox building
to support my brand. Oh, come on, we support Will Blackman,
come on style. It was it was great. This this
month was Twain Wade's wine, so it was perfect. Yeah,
I mean she kind of had to, right, it was
the Wade hat to all right, buddy, Will Blackman love
him there? So sensitive? You know what's scary not will
(40:54):
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