August 7, 2023 • 31 mins
NFL insider Jordan Schultz joins the show to give the latest on teams looking to sign Dalvin Cook and share stories about his father, Howard Schultz, owning the Sonics
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 1 (00:24):
Well, I've wanted to meet this young guy for a
long time. Jordan Schultz, NFL Insider for the Score. Now,
it should be noted that for many of you you
would know his father, Howard Schultz, who was the creator
founder of Starbucks. And so it's a very interesting life
that Jordan Schultz has lived. His dad briefly owned the Sonics.
And Jordan was telling me during the break, when you
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were a young college kid, you didn't like the way
dad was treated, by the way Seattle Press was tough
on him, and so you were about you were closer
in age to the Sonic players Ray Allen yes, sorry,
Lewis yes, and so you decided at that point you
liked those guys and their stories, and that got you
into NBA insider stuff.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
It's so true.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
When I was about fourteen, was when he bought the team,
and so by the time I was in college and
playing basketball, I used to go to the facility and
work out with Ray and Rashard and Luke Ridnauer and
Nick Collison, all those guys. And actually Ray Alan broke
my nose playing basketball, which is another story. But I
always empathized with how they were treated, both fairly but
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oftentimes unfairly, particularly by the local media. And you know,
they weren't that much older than me, and I remember thinking,
how are they gonna go play basketball tonight when this
reporter just called them that and it's not true, or
this happened that isn't really true, but maybe it was
misreported or and that stuff really hurt me because I
could feel their pain and we used to talk like
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I remember when when Rashard was negotiating his I think
it was a seven year, seventy seven million dollar extension,
came over the house. We played Horror and we spent
some real time together and I could feel I don't know,
he must have been twenty four to twenty five, he
came out of high school. He was still so young, yeah,
and I could feel his angst, and I just said
to him like, it's gonna be okay, like you and
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my dad, you'll figure this out, right, And he was like,
how do you know that? I said, because you guys
are cool and you'll make it happen. Like it's gonna happen.
Don't worry about it. And the media was on him,
I believe about he should just sign or he should
take this number. And so that was hard to watch firsthand.
And I just remember thinking, if I could ever be
in the position to help empower the player, I would
do it.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
So you started with that, that's a very tribal industry
NBA in Ciderville. So you went to the NFL, where
there's far more players, by the way, and there's a
lot of people breaking stories. There's an infinite number of
stories to be broken. It's a different world basketball. And
I say this to somebody that we both love hoops.
I love basketball. It is star driven and if you
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don't have relationships with the top four or five six
stars or coaches, it can be difficult. You pivoted to
the NFL. It were you a Seahawks fan growing up.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
Massive Yes, Colin I grew up Seahawks Kingdome remembhere they
played that two years a Husky Stadium. Yes, they were
really a middleinggue franchise. Yes, and then Mike Holmgrean came
in and turned them around. But throughout most of my childhood,
the Seahawks were third tier, behind the Mariners who had Griffy,
and the Sonics who had Camp and Paigeon and by
the way, the Hosty Big Years Huskies too. Yeah, so
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the Seahawks really popped in a five. And that's actually
the year I met my wife. She was an intern
at the Seahawks. So I met my wife at a
Seahawks game. I feel like a super special connection to
the organization as a whole. But I was a massive
seahawksman growing up.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
Now they don't need a running back because they drafted
Zach Charbonnay from UCLA along with Walker from Michigan State,
so they're set there. Pete loves his running backs. But
you have some news on Ezekiel Elliott. Jason McIntyre has
been saying in the last month when he's here, he's off.
This week, he keeps saying, I don't I can't believe
Zeke has no market? Does he?
Speaker 3 (04:02):
What are you being told he does? Now?
Speaker 4 (04:04):
I reported this last weekend, he spent essentially the entire
day at the Patriots facility. It went really well. He's
in great shape, his weight is good. It's not that
he doesn't have a market, but if you're a running back,
especially one three time Pro Bowl, there's no real rush
to sign and be in camp, and so for him,
he's he's waiting. He's trying to make sure he gets
the absolute best deal possible. But I would look at
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the entire AFC East as a possibility. Buffalo, New England, Miami,
New York, all four could use another running back, and
in New England's case, they liked the idea of pairing
him with Ramandra Stevenson, a good young back. Yes, Zeke
is kind of that, you know, he maybe he's not
what he was three or four years ago, but he's
still a really good player. He's great in pass protection,
one of the best backs in pass protection. And that
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was actually told me by a scout that one of
the reasons he's going to ultimately find a home sooner
or later is because he can help right away identify
the blitzes and especially if you have a young back,
he can make a big impact. So I think all
of those teams are a possibility for him.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Now Dalvin Cook, who's still i think on the later
years of his prime, but still very very productive. He's
been sort of hovering around the Jets. I don't think
they need a back. I think there's there's places where
he could go. But what are you hearing about Dalvin Cook?
Speaker 3 (05:18):
So he he.
Speaker 4 (05:19):
Was there for Sunday practice Hard Knocks. We're gonna see
it tonight, right, it's gonna debut. He that was a
that was a big spectacle. But ultimately they have bres
Hall coming back from an acl.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
And Michael Carter good good backup.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
Good young back.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
So really it comes down to they have a brutal
for six weeks. Uh, Dallas Kansas City. I mean it's Buffalo,
It's brutal. However, I think Miami makes a lot of
sense because they have a boatload of young backs, including
Devon ah Han who they drafted. It's big speed guy.
Dalvin's from there. Imagine Dalvin Cook and a Josh and
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a Mike McDaniel offense. I just to me, that makes
perfect sense. You could spread him around on with Tua.
They have so much speed with Hill and Waddle and
the ultimate opportunity for me with Cook Is you mentioned
he's twenty seven, he's probably on the backstage, but he's
the only running back in the last four years to
have over twelve hundred dollar purpose yards each year, four
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time Pro bowler, And you wouldn't need to use him
with respect to Minnesota this same way, like you don't
need to get him twenty touches a game in Miami.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Okay, it's a backup role. Carson Wentz, who by the way,
would be one of the more talented backups in the NFL?
Is there a landing spot for him?
Speaker 3 (06:33):
There is?
Speaker 4 (06:34):
And did you see the pictures he posted? No Colts,
he's ranked all his gear.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
There, It is right there, he's ranked eager see now
he works for them because he's mobile. And Anthony Richardson,
So I always think you need symmetry between your starter
and your backup, like Colt McCoy is a great backup
to Kyler because he moves one. Yeah, smaller guy moves well.
So where do you think is Indie the spot? No?
Speaker 3 (06:56):
I don't think so.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
But I will say with Wentz that here's here's the
problem that he's facing is a lot of teams don't
prioritize having They want their number two guy to compliment
the number one. To your point, and when's hiss case,
his tools and his experience are going to be number
one quality, like his caliber.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
He's still a very good quarterback.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
He's just he had two really bad final games in
both Washington and Indianapolis.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Yeah, he's been working tirelessly.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
With John Gruden, who has been calling a team saying
you got to get this guy in your building. He's
changed his mindset. He's getting more sudden, little more twitchy now.
Carson Wentz is he a starter? I don't know, but
I would be shocked if he wasn't on an opening
day roster, at least as the number two, because he's
going to give you experience, and I think he's made
it abundantly clear internally that he is willing to be
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the number two guy and help cultivate the young quarterback,
whoever it is.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Jordan Schultz is joining us NFL Insider when Sean Payton,
you know, there's certain industry these people tend to uh.
It could be law enforcement, it could be military politics.
Everybody hates everybody, but generally in sports it's kind of
insular and provincial. You don't criticize your own. So when
Sean Peyton came out and I'm rooting for Ross, but
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he did look older and slower last year he took
a lot of hits. He got beat up. What did
your phone light up? When Sean Payton said that, how
did players react to that ripping hacket? You spent time
with the Jets. It just doesn't happen much that a
Hall of Fame level coach blasts somebody else.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
I listened to your pod with Dave Wantstet where he
said it's just forget the coaching code. It's a code
of uh, sorry, somebody just there you go, somebody just
came in. I'm waiting on something, Okay, he said, forget
the coaching code, it's the just guide code of you're
you're an experienced man in the position of power in
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the NFL.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
You're a head coach and vulnerable.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
Vulnerable. You don't say that now. I think Sean Payton
to say I had my Fox hat on is fair.
He's terrific on Fox. Yeah, I think he did a
hell of a job. You probably don't want to go
after a head coach because you're gonna play him at
some point they're gonna play early in the season. And also,
if you're Sean Payton, like you are inheriting a pretty
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tough situation, right Like they did not do well last year,
Russ really struggled. It just to me, puts an added
target on your back. If you're gonna say Nathaniel Hackett
did not do a good job and really take it
a step further and say he did a terrible job
players Like I've talked to players on the Jets who
say we love Hackett. I don't know if the Broncos
players feel that same way. But Rogers was a huge
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reason why Hackett's there. He said publicly, he's one of
the best, maybe the best coach I've ever had. Maybe
Nathaniel Hackett's not a head coach calling. He's a really
good offensive coordinator. We've seen that in Green Bay. I
think he'll do the same in New York. I'm curious
for you. Is there to me? When I look at
the Jets, there's no reason why they can't be successful.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Oh, they could thirteen and four if they're healthy up front.
If if Dwayne Brown gets hurt at left.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
Tackle, he's thirty eight years old.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
Yeah, so it's a Tyrone Smith thing. Excellent. If he
stays healthy, absolutely could be a thirteen win team. Mackai
Beckton right now, is.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
He's a big part of it? Yeah, right tack.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Dwayne Brown goes down, Beckton moves over, has yet to
the left side. Then, remember Aaron Jordan has never had
a bad ole line. New England and Green Bay have
a weird way of never drafting old linemen in the
first round but always having Pro bowlers. It's the drafting
development's very good. So Aaron's never had a battle line.
This could be a bad on line. Elijah Vera Tucker's
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very good, very good. And I think Dwayne Brown wan healthy.
It's got another great year. But I I mean, you've
spent some time. I think it's a I think we'll
know everything by about week four. Yeah, we'll have a
sense the all lines holding up. It's gonna be fun.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
They got Buffalo week one, which is a rude. I
feel like that's gonna tell us a lot.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
That's why I was saying with the Jets to bring
in Dalvin could be a pressure some kind of pressure
release for for Aaron Rodgers. I mean, like I am
all in on the Jets this year. I think they
have a really good staff. I think they have a
really good team. I think they have a really good defense.
I mean DJ Reid and Sasgarner. That's a phenomenal one
two punch. I just like, if you're the Jets, why
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not bring in help from a running back position. Maybe
it's Zeke, maybe it's Dalvin Cook, but someone that can
release some of the pressure off of Aaron, that you know,
can catch the football and just make it give you
another weapon as an offense. So I think they're really close.
That division is brutal, though, because I think Miami's gonna
be really good. I think Buffalo's really good. I think
England's gonna be better.
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Speaker 1 (11:47):
Is there so as you transition from an NBA insider
to Jordan Schultz joining us. His father, of course, the
founder of Starbucks, and we were talking off air. I've
got a million questions about his dad.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
He would tell you whatever you want to know, so
you don't. You asked me and I'll answer it.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Okay, so do you find the relationship. NBA players make
more money than NFL players. I find NFL players the
ones i've covered, I like them both. I think they're
both funny. I think I think the basketball culture is
really hard. AAU doesn't do you a favor. It's not
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team building. A one year of college after the NBA megastardom,
it's hard. NFL you get beat up by coaches for
three years. High school coach is hard. College coach is hard.
You have to stay in college. You come in more
grown up, often married, sometimes with kids on the way.
What's the difference covering NBA guys and NFL guys the athlete.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
Well, NBA doesn't have the helmet and it's only a
twelve man active roster. The NFL is fifty three guys
practice squad. And I would say, colin, unless you're a quarterback,
it is really, really hard to consistently make yourself available
to the media, to the fans. Like, if you put
it this way, here's the biggest difference. If you took
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the average NBA player and they walked down a street
and you took the average NFL player, Maybe it's alignment.
Maybe it's a safety. It's a big difference. Even if
it's a really good player, oftentimes you wouldn't know. I mean,
I was at the Super Bowl last year or this
past spring in Phoenix, and there were some really good
NFL players walking around and they would say to me,
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you know, this is kind of nice. Somebody really recognizes me.
I thought I would get recognized more in this big setting,
and that is probably the biggest difference. And then also
guaranteed contracts. That's why you see players fighting so much
for that guaranteed money upfront signing bonus. And it's why
I never get on NFL players, especially considering the average
length it's about three years, for wanting their money early,
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because it is incredibly hard to get it.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
Do you find there are certain cultures where they're not
going to return your calls? Are their easier cultures to
get a phone call? I have four or five I
would say I have five or six executives in the
league that I don't pester them, but I either have
lunch or I'm like, hey, I got a question, explain
this to me. Dealing with gms easier in the NFL
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or NBA.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
That's a good one.
Speaker 4 (14:23):
I prefer the NFL because you have so many talking
points you could go through. First of all, you you
think about how big the roster is, how big the
draft is, the scouting departments, the personnel people there is,
so there's all there's.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
Never a dry day.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
Like would you say without question that the NFL is
the only true three sixty five sport? Yeah, I mean,
and maybe college football's next the NBA. You know, the
off season is is awesome, but it's really only a
few days a week. The NFL offseason. You have the Combine,
you have the Senior.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
Ball, you have the East West free agency, you can
see the draft.
Speaker 4 (15:01):
It is just a massive conglomerate of one after another
and everything feels big. That's what I love about the
NFL is everything feels big. They have done such an
unbelievable job of marketing the league. And that's a testament
to say what you want about Roger Goodell, but he
has done a really good job of that. So I
would say in general, it's a little bit easier to
deal with NFL. However, I didn't go all in on
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the NBA insider route the way that I did on
the NFL, so maybe I'm a little biased. I also
just at this point in my life, Colin as a
basketball lover, a true hooper, but four years in college
not well, I prefer watching the NFL to any other sport.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Well, there's an urgency of suddenness, and there's also frankly,
it's a great TV product. The field fits person TV product,
and Roger Goodill is always understood we're a TV show.
Now I've got to ask you, obviously, because I grew
up in the Pacific Northwest. Starbucks and Microsoft are the corporations.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
Of note Amazon two.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Amazon now owns half a downtown or more. I know
people who have tried to rent in downtown.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
Sea non Weslake. Got to forget it.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
When you grow up and your dad runs Starbucks, you're
a grinder, which is one of the things I'm almost
kind of fascinated by billionaire's kids. But yet you have
a work ethic. You didn't go to some Princeton you
were hooping it getting your nose broken by Ray Allen.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
Is it advantages disadvantages to growing up with that kind
of wealth? Did your father let you see it? I
know this is a private question or personal question, but
I'm interested. I think the audience is interested.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
And I appreciate the interest.
Speaker 4 (16:35):
I would say that I was always really private growing up,
So it was really I was keenly aware of the
fact that I had privilege that I went to a
prep school. I didn't go to the Cholates, but I
went to a prep school in Seattle. I was well educated,
and I had access to things day to day that
other kids, even kids of means, didn't have. Maybe it
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was good food, maybe it was was good equipment, but
we didn't struggle ever. And so when I started to
I think basketball, this is why I love basketball so much,
and why I love sports so much is playing AAU basketball.
And I had I was on the I was in
the same AAU program as as Brandon Roy, So I
really saw someone at the top, and I saw the
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struggles that.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
He had to go through.
Speaker 4 (17:21):
And we were from five minutes apart, but I was
with him a lot, especially when he was trying to
qualify for the city. So he went to Garfield, which is.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
High school basketball program.
Speaker 4 (17:32):
Absolutely, and Seattle is a hotbed for basketball. I mean,
Jamal Crawford, Nate Robinson, you could just go down the list.
So and Brandon was the best of them all. And
yet he had a hard time getting into college. And
I remember watching him study. There was this small grammar
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cy gym in Seattle, Grammar School gym, and he would
study and then he would go play, and we'd play
every day, and he wanted so Vally to call to
go to dub he ultimately got it done, and watching
him struggle and having to figure it out on his
own essentially, and then me having a tutor, I remember
thinking this is so unfair.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
Like he should have access to that.
Speaker 4 (18:13):
He's way more talented than me, but he didn't, and
it really bothered me. And so I would go home
and I would talk to my parents about this, and
they would say, listen, you have access to things that
nobody else has. You're not even in the one percent,
You're in the point one percent. And it's important for
us as parents for you to understand what you have
and what others don't have. And so I started to
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become more and more aware with Starbucks and the Sonics,
because when I got into my teenage years fourteen through eighteen,
those pivotal high school years was when Starbucks probably was
doing its best, and he had the Sonics. So there
were things that I got to experience travel food culture.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
I was really aware of it. I was really aware
of it.
Speaker 4 (18:58):
And so there were I would say that there's no disadvantages,
like I can't. I just can't say it. But there
are things that you want to be ultra protective about.
And one of the things is is like this element
of privacy because you're not going to have a lot
in a small city like Seattle. And so I remember
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talking to my parents at one point, I said, I
think I might need to change my name. I've never
I've told versions of this story of but never really specific.
I was probably seventeen, and I said to both my parents,
you know, we got to talk, and they don't. I
don't know what they thought, but I said, I think
it might be time for me to change my name.
And they said, oh, you don't like to name Jordan.
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I said, no, I got to change my last name.
I said, Schultz, Schultz. This is this is too small
a city for us to But my dad said, are
you are you crazy? You know, if you know my dad,
he said, what are you nuts? And my mom My
mom thought it was crazy, but at least she wanted
to understand. My dad wanted nothing to do with it.
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He's like, I think you're crazy for even suggesting that.
My mom really wanted to understand, and I said, because
as long as I'm in this city, especially Seattle, with
that last name, I'm never going to have my own identity,
I'm never going to have the respect of my peers,
and most importantly, I'm never going to escape the shadow.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
And so obviously I didn't.
Speaker 4 (20:20):
Change my name, but what it really cemented for me
was I'm not going to take over the family business.
Because that was also about the same time. I talked
to them and I said I don't think I could
ever pursue Starbucks, and they were really, really supportive, and
that was really important for me because my dad especially knew,
if you are in this building, especially taking over for
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me ten fifteen years down the road, you'll never achieve
the type of success that you want because you'll always
have in the back of your mind. Oh, I got
this job because of my dad, And he said, you
know what, you'd be right, that's why you got the job.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
So that was a big i'd.
Speaker 4 (20:54):
Say learning experience over an eighteen month period of not
changing my last name, but also learning over time Colin
as I'm thirty seven now to be proud of it
but not show it off. There's like that fine balance,
and I still don't think I've achieved it, but I
am trying.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
Well, you're self aware. I love it. What a pleasure
for me, I know, you know, I've un to the
point in my career where all these talented young people.
Justin Herbert's on my show, he goes, yeah, I used
to listen to the backseat in my car going to
elementary school, and I'm like, thanks, I feel eighty.
Speaker 4 (21:24):
He's a Eugene guy, though, So you have the Pacific Northwest. Yes,
but I listened to you, Colin, I've been listening to you.
Maybe not that young, but yeah, since I'm ten, eleven,
twelve years old.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Well hopefully I imparted some wisdom.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
Yeah, you did a lot, rather a lot.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
What a pleasure. Congrats on your success. Let's stay in touch. Yes,
thank you, And I'm going to take a break and
come back and wrap it up with Ryan in a
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Speaker 6 (23:26):
We'll kick things off. In the NFL, Anthony Richardson has
a lot of upside as he enters his first NFL season,
but lacks the in game reps of other rookies after
making just thirteen starts in his Florida career. As he
battles for the starting job, Shane Steichen has loved what
he's seen from his reps with the first team.
Speaker 7 (23:46):
Thought he had a heck of a day today. He
was really solid, made some big time throws. Obviously the
two minute drive, you know, threw a nice touch on
right there in the end zone, and then the two
point play that he ran into us. It was pretty
good to see. When you you know, you get repetition
and you do things more and more and you're gonna
get more comfortable. And I think he's, you know, gaining
confidence in the system and gaining confidence with his teammates.
And when you have that and you have the talent
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that you know he has, you know, it's it's usually
a good thing.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
For the record. I saw this weekend Ryan. They listed
his size. He's a defensive end. He's like two two
fifty six four and a half sixty five. I can't
wait to watch him play now. I said this. I
think he's gonna be over his skis in the pocket
a lot. It's gonna look like Josh Allen where he's
just gonna run. He's gonna find himself, you know, on
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a second and third read, I'm out of here, but
he is. I'm gonna tell you, I've watched it my
whole life. When you get these wildly dynamic young quarterbacks
that can move for the first two years of their career,
and you give them a very good offensive coach, the
league has no idea what it's in for. So I
think it's gonna be fascinating. It's gonna be a little Cam,
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a little Josh Allen, and then a little Jalen Hurts
where he's not quite comfortable in the pocket for the
first year or two. I can't wait to watch it.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
Yeah, it's gonna be fascinating me.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
And they open up at home against the Jags, so
and that that rivalry has been weird upsets for.
Speaker 6 (25:13):
Years absolutely, Yeah, the Colts have struggled with the Jags
even when the Jags have been down and out. And
as you pointed out with Shane Steiken, he's worked great
with Jalen Hurts. He even had a short bit of
time there with Justin Herbert during his time in LA.
So he's done great work with great young quarterbacks, whether
they're more refined, more raw. So nothing but excitement heading
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into the season, and the Colt says they hopefully can
shore up that long revolving door of quarterbacks since Andrew
Luck all right, and now for college football, landscape continues
to change. The PAC twelve days maybe numbered after five
more teams left the conference for the Big Ten and
the Big Twelve on Friday. Pete Carroll spent a long
time in the Pac twelve with USC and had this
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to say about the recent realignment.
Speaker 8 (26:01):
I'm really disappointed, you know, I would think I would
think that there's a lot of people, a lot of
fans that are disappointed too, you know. And I know
it's a financial turn that they do, you know, and
they've got to make their decisions at all. But now
there's something about the tradition of it that gets lost
and I don't know where they recapture that, you know,
I don't know how they recapture the traditions that has
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stood for so long.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
I'm pretty disappointed in.
Speaker 8 (26:23):
College football right now in general. I'm just disappointed that
it's gone the way it's gone, with all of the
stuff that's happened. And you know, I hope they can,
you know, get it right.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
You know, it's interesting, So the West Coast and the
Northeast have a lot in common, not only the coasts,
big port cities, a lot of pro sports. The Northeast
is not a college football hub. So Penn State and
Notre Dame, you know, they're popular in the Northeast having
lived there, but it's not really a college football hot bed.
And I think, and I've been telling people once, the
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NFL came back to Los Angeles, So when Pete was here,
there was no one. And they have two NFL teams,
an MLS team. The Dodgers are dominant, the Clippers are legitimate.
So the LA sports market is very, very crowded, and
it wasn't when Pete was here. USC was the pro team.
And so I've said this before, is what is the
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future if the LA schools aren't as big as they
were ten to fifteen years ago because the emergence of
the NFL in Los Angeles. What does it mean for
the conference? And this is what it means is that
USC and UCLA saw it and said, we're going to
join this legendary conference in the middle of the country
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to keep us alive, keep us afloat. We've seen UCLA
struggling to draw fans at the Rose Bowl, and it's
not because people here don't love UCLA. This market is
so crowded. New York sports teams are mostly bad. Almost
everybody here is viable. I mean, you say, oh, a
down year for the Lakers, Joe watch them. I mean
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the Clippers, the Lakers, USC, LAFC, Dodgers dominate their division.
There's just so many options in California, and unlike the
East Coast, you get perfect you know, spring, fall weather,
winter weather. So I my takeaway is LA attracting two
NFL teams has changed. The Trojans are still big, but
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it's changed the LA market. And without it, what is
the PAC twelve conference? And so I think for their
own survival. Four or five years ago, I was communicating
with USC people. They were looking to go independent or
move out of the conference. They saw it dying in
front of them. They saw the revenues at the SEC spiking,
Big Ten spiking, and they saw the Pac twelve revenue shrinking.
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And so a lot of this is just USC five
years ago saying we can't give our football brand up.
It's like Duke basketball. We got these championship, this legacy,
this history, this revenue. We got to do something because
our conference isn't hold up their end of the bargain.
So I feel like USC really engineered this, and you
can blame them, but it's business, it's survival. It's one
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of the great college football programs ever. Texas Football, Michigan, USC,
Notre Dame. You can't just give it up, they felt
four or five years ago. When I talked to them,
they were trying to figure out that's why they went
after Lincoln Riley. They're like, if Lincoln Riley doesn't take
that job and they get a second tier coach, what
is USC football other than underachieving for a decade in
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a wildly competitive, distracted Los Angeles market.
Speaker 6 (29:32):
Yeah, they did exactly what they needed to do for
their own interests, and it wasn't just then this was
already happening across all of college football, so they had
to capitalize it on it as well, otherwise they would
have been left behind.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Texas had the same concerns in the Big Twelve. Our
conference isn't holding up their endo the bargain. We may
not win as much in the SEC, but it stabilizes
the next twenty to twenty five years of revenue.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
Absolutely.
Speaker 6 (29:57):
Let's wrap up with this in baseball, where we had
a big scuffle with the Guardians and White Sox game
on Saturday night. Jose Ramirez and Tim Anderson got into
it after a slide into second base led to some.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
Punches being thrown.
Speaker 6 (30:08):
Let's sack a Listen to the radio call from WTM,
Guardian's radio network.
Speaker 9 (30:14):
And another household double right over the bag at first.
Now Hosey and Anderson square off.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
They're fighting, They're swinging.
Speaker 9 (30:24):
Down Goesanderson, Down, goes Anderson. Ramirez went in with a
head first slide. Hosey never gets upset about anything. They
came up chewing. Anderson squared off. Hosey dictum.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
You never see that in baseball.
Speaker 6 (30:43):
You see a lot of pushing.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
Rarely do you see folds.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
They went hockey.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
Yeah, square it up.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
I even see you. Never, by the way, I didn't
think it was flush. I thought he I don't know
how that. I mean, listen, I'm not gonna take a punch.
But I didn't. I thought the Tim Anderson landed a
big haymaker, and that that thing didn't even look I get.
Speaker 6 (31:06):
Landed, just caught him right on the chin.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
Well, if I ever get in a fight, that's where
you have to land the punch. Apparently that is so.
I don't even remember. I do not remember ever seeing
that like that in baseball, never remember that.
Speaker 6 (31:21):
The only one I can remember is Joey Batiste. The
rote netto door.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
The umpire got out of the way. I want no
part of this, no part of this guy's swing away.
Ryan with the news, Well that's the news, and thanks
for stopping by. I must have watched that video fifty
times yesterday. I could not figure out how that punch
was that devastating, and even there in slow moll, I
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still can't quite figure it out. Well, all right, good
show with day, Mark Schleare, Mark Helfrich, Jordan Schultz, Colin right,
Colin wrong. See tomorrow. It's the hurt
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Well, I've wanted to meet this young guy for a
long time. Jordan Schultz, NFL Insider for the Score. Now,
it should be noted that for many of you you
would know his father, Howard Schultz, who was the creator
founder of Starbucks. And so it's a very interesting life
that Jordan Schultz has lived. His dad briefly owned the Sonics.
And Jordan was telling me during the break, when you
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were a young college kid, you didn't like the way
dad was treated, by the way Seattle Press was tough
on him, and so you were about you were closer
in age to the Sonic players Ray Allen yes, sorry,
Lewis yes, and so you decided at that point you
liked those guys and their stories, and that got you
into NBA insider stuff.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
It's so true.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
When I was about fourteen, was when he bought the team,
and so by the time I was in college and
playing basketball, I used to go to the facility and
work out with Ray and Rashard and Luke Ridnauer and
Nick Collison, all those guys. And actually Ray Alan broke
my nose playing basketball, which is another story. But I
always empathized with how they were treated, both fairly but
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oftentimes unfairly, particularly by the local media. And you know,
they weren't that much older than me, and I remember thinking,
how are they gonna go play basketball tonight when this
reporter just called them that and it's not true, or
this happened that isn't really true, but maybe it was
misreported or and that stuff really hurt me because I
could feel their pain and we used to talk like
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I remember when when Rashard was negotiating his I think
it was a seven year, seventy seven million dollar extension,
came over the house. We played Horror and we spent
some real time together and I could feel I don't know,
he must have been twenty four to twenty five, he
came out of high school. He was still so young, yeah,
and I could feel his angst, and I just said
to him like, it's gonna be okay, like you and
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my dad, you'll figure this out, right, And he was like,
how do you know that? I said, because you guys
are cool and you'll make it happen. Like it's gonna happen.
Don't worry about it. And the media was on him,
I believe about he should just sign or he should
take this number. And so that was hard to watch firsthand.
And I just remember thinking, if I could ever be
in the position to help empower the player, I would
do it.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
So you started with that, that's a very tribal industry
NBA in Ciderville. So you went to the NFL, where
there's far more players, by the way, and there's a
lot of people breaking stories. There's an infinite number of
stories to be broken. It's a different world basketball. And
I say this to somebody that we both love hoops.
I love basketball. It is star driven and if you
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don't have relationships with the top four or five six
stars or coaches, it can be difficult. You pivoted to
the NFL. It were you a Seahawks fan growing up.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
Massive Yes, Colin I grew up Seahawks Kingdome remembhere they
played that two years a Husky Stadium. Yes, they were
really a middleinggue franchise. Yes, and then Mike Holmgrean came
in and turned them around. But throughout most of my childhood,
the Seahawks were third tier, behind the Mariners who had Griffy,
and the Sonics who had Camp and Paigeon and by
the way, the Hosty Big Years Huskies too. Yeah, so
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the Seahawks really popped in a five. And that's actually
the year I met my wife. She was an intern
at the Seahawks. So I met my wife at a
Seahawks game. I feel like a super special connection to
the organization as a whole. But I was a massive
seahawksman growing up.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
Now they don't need a running back because they drafted
Zach Charbonnay from UCLA along with Walker from Michigan State,
so they're set there. Pete loves his running backs. But
you have some news on Ezekiel Elliott. Jason McIntyre has
been saying in the last month when he's here, he's off.
This week, he keeps saying, I don't I can't believe
Zeke has no market? Does he?
Speaker 3 (04:02):
What are you being told he does? Now?
Speaker 4 (04:04):
I reported this last weekend, he spent essentially the entire
day at the Patriots facility. It went really well. He's
in great shape, his weight is good. It's not that
he doesn't have a market, but if you're a running back,
especially one three time Pro Bowl, there's no real rush
to sign and be in camp, and so for him,
he's he's waiting. He's trying to make sure he gets
the absolute best deal possible. But I would look at
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the entire AFC East as a possibility. Buffalo, New England, Miami,
New York, all four could use another running back, and
in New England's case, they liked the idea of pairing
him with Ramandra Stevenson, a good young back. Yes, Zeke
is kind of that, you know, he maybe he's not
what he was three or four years ago, but he's
still a really good player. He's great in pass protection,
one of the best backs in pass protection. And that
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was actually told me by a scout that one of
the reasons he's going to ultimately find a home sooner
or later is because he can help right away identify
the blitzes and especially if you have a young back,
he can make a big impact. So I think all
of those teams are a possibility for him.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Now Dalvin Cook, who's still i think on the later
years of his prime, but still very very productive. He's
been sort of hovering around the Jets. I don't think
they need a back. I think there's there's places where
he could go. But what are you hearing about Dalvin Cook?
Speaker 3 (05:18):
So he he.
Speaker 4 (05:19):
Was there for Sunday practice Hard Knocks. We're gonna see
it tonight, right, it's gonna debut. He that was a
that was a big spectacle. But ultimately they have bres
Hall coming back from an acl.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
And Michael Carter good good backup.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
Good young back.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
So really it comes down to they have a brutal
for six weeks. Uh, Dallas Kansas City. I mean it's Buffalo,
It's brutal. However, I think Miami makes a lot of
sense because they have a boatload of young backs, including
Devon ah Han who they drafted. It's big speed guy.
Dalvin's from there. Imagine Dalvin Cook and a Josh and
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a Mike McDaniel offense. I just to me, that makes
perfect sense. You could spread him around on with Tua.
They have so much speed with Hill and Waddle and
the ultimate opportunity for me with Cook Is you mentioned
he's twenty seven, he's probably on the backstage, but he's
the only running back in the last four years to
have over twelve hundred dollar purpose yards each year, four
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time Pro bowler, And you wouldn't need to use him
with respect to Minnesota this same way, like you don't
need to get him twenty touches a game in Miami.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Okay, it's a backup role. Carson Wentz, who by the way,
would be one of the more talented backups in the NFL?
Is there a landing spot for him?
Speaker 3 (06:33):
There is?
Speaker 4 (06:34):
And did you see the pictures he posted? No Colts,
he's ranked all his gear.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
There, It is right there, he's ranked eager see now
he works for them because he's mobile. And Anthony Richardson,
So I always think you need symmetry between your starter
and your backup, like Colt McCoy is a great backup
to Kyler because he moves one. Yeah, smaller guy moves well.
So where do you think is Indie the spot? No?
Speaker 3 (06:56):
I don't think so.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
But I will say with Wentz that here's here's the
problem that he's facing is a lot of teams don't
prioritize having They want their number two guy to compliment
the number one. To your point, and when's hiss case,
his tools and his experience are going to be number
one quality, like his caliber.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
He's still a very good quarterback.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
He's just he had two really bad final games in
both Washington and Indianapolis.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Yeah, he's been working tirelessly.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
With John Gruden, who has been calling a team saying
you got to get this guy in your building. He's
changed his mindset. He's getting more sudden, little more twitchy now.
Carson Wentz is he a starter? I don't know, but
I would be shocked if he wasn't on an opening
day roster, at least as the number two, because he's
going to give you experience, and I think he's made
it abundantly clear internally that he is willing to be
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the number two guy and help cultivate the young quarterback,
whoever it is.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Jordan Schultz is joining us NFL Insider when Sean Payton,
you know, there's certain industry these people tend to uh.
It could be law enforcement, it could be military politics.
Everybody hates everybody, but generally in sports it's kind of
insular and provincial. You don't criticize your own. So when
Sean Peyton came out and I'm rooting for Ross, but
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he did look older and slower last year he took
a lot of hits. He got beat up. What did
your phone light up? When Sean Payton said that, how
did players react to that ripping hacket? You spent time
with the Jets. It just doesn't happen much that a
Hall of Fame level coach blasts somebody else.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
I listened to your pod with Dave Wantstet where he
said it's just forget the coaching code. It's a code
of uh, sorry, somebody just there you go, somebody just
came in. I'm waiting on something, Okay, he said, forget
the coaching code, it's the just guide code of you're
you're an experienced man in the position of power in
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the NFL.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
You're a head coach and vulnerable.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
Vulnerable. You don't say that now. I think Sean Payton
to say I had my Fox hat on is fair.
He's terrific on Fox. Yeah, I think he did a
hell of a job. You probably don't want to go
after a head coach because you're gonna play him at
some point they're gonna play early in the season. And also,
if you're Sean Payton, like you are inheriting a pretty
(09:20):
tough situation, right Like they did not do well last year,
Russ really struggled. It just to me, puts an added
target on your back. If you're gonna say Nathaniel Hackett
did not do a good job and really take it
a step further and say he did a terrible job
players Like I've talked to players on the Jets who
say we love Hackett. I don't know if the Broncos
players feel that same way. But Rogers was a huge
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reason why Hackett's there. He said publicly, he's one of
the best, maybe the best coach I've ever had. Maybe
Nathaniel Hackett's not a head coach calling. He's a really
good offensive coordinator. We've seen that in Green Bay. I
think he'll do the same in New York. I'm curious
for you. Is there to me? When I look at
the Jets, there's no reason why they can't be successful.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Oh, they could thirteen and four if they're healthy up front.
If if Dwayne Brown gets hurt at left.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
Tackle, he's thirty eight years old.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
Yeah, so it's a Tyrone Smith thing. Excellent. If he
stays healthy, absolutely could be a thirteen win team. Mackai
Beckton right now, is.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
He's a big part of it? Yeah, right tack.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Dwayne Brown goes down, Beckton moves over, has yet to
the left side. Then, remember Aaron Jordan has never had
a bad ole line. New England and Green Bay have
a weird way of never drafting old linemen in the
first round but always having Pro bowlers. It's the drafting
development's very good. So Aaron's never had a battle line.
This could be a bad on line. Elijah Vera Tucker's
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very good, very good. And I think Dwayne Brown wan healthy.
It's got another great year. But I I mean, you've
spent some time. I think it's a I think we'll
know everything by about week four. Yeah, we'll have a
sense the all lines holding up. It's gonna be fun.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
They got Buffalo week one, which is a rude. I
feel like that's gonna tell us a lot.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
That's why I was saying with the Jets to bring
in Dalvin could be a pressure some kind of pressure
release for for Aaron Rodgers. I mean, like I am
all in on the Jets this year. I think they
have a really good staff. I think they have a
really good team. I think they have a really good defense.
I mean DJ Reid and Sasgarner. That's a phenomenal one
two punch. I just like, if you're the Jets, why
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not bring in help from a running back position. Maybe
it's Zeke, maybe it's Dalvin Cook, but someone that can
release some of the pressure off of Aaron, that you know,
can catch the football and just make it give you
another weapon as an offense. So I think they're really close.
That division is brutal, though, because I think Miami's gonna
be really good. I think Buffalo's really good. I think
England's gonna be better.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
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Speaker 1 (11:47):
Is there so as you transition from an NBA insider
to Jordan Schultz joining us. His father, of course, the
founder of Starbucks, and we were talking off air. I've
got a million questions about his dad.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
He would tell you whatever you want to know, so
you don't. You asked me and I'll answer it.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Okay, so do you find the relationship. NBA players make
more money than NFL players. I find NFL players the
ones i've covered, I like them both. I think they're
both funny. I think I think the basketball culture is
really hard. AAU doesn't do you a favor. It's not
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team building. A one year of college after the NBA megastardom,
it's hard. NFL you get beat up by coaches for
three years. High school coach is hard. College coach is hard.
You have to stay in college. You come in more
grown up, often married, sometimes with kids on the way.
What's the difference covering NBA guys and NFL guys the athlete.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
Well, NBA doesn't have the helmet and it's only a
twelve man active roster. The NFL is fifty three guys
practice squad. And I would say, colin, unless you're a quarterback,
it is really, really hard to consistently make yourself available
to the media, to the fans. Like, if you put
it this way, here's the biggest difference. If you took
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the average NBA player and they walked down a street
and you took the average NFL player, Maybe it's alignment.
Maybe it's a safety. It's a big difference. Even if
it's a really good player, oftentimes you wouldn't know. I mean,
I was at the Super Bowl last year or this
past spring in Phoenix, and there were some really good
NFL players walking around and they would say to me,
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you know, this is kind of nice. Somebody really recognizes me.
I thought I would get recognized more in this big setting,
and that is probably the biggest difference. And then also
guaranteed contracts. That's why you see players fighting so much
for that guaranteed money upfront signing bonus. And it's why
I never get on NFL players, especially considering the average
length it's about three years, for wanting their money early,
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because it is incredibly hard to get it.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
Do you find there are certain cultures where they're not
going to return your calls? Are their easier cultures to
get a phone call? I have four or five I
would say I have five or six executives in the
league that I don't pester them, but I either have
lunch or I'm like, hey, I got a question, explain
this to me. Dealing with gms easier in the NFL
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or NBA.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
That's a good one.
Speaker 4 (14:23):
I prefer the NFL because you have so many talking
points you could go through. First of all, you you
think about how big the roster is, how big the
draft is, the scouting departments, the personnel people there is,
so there's all there's.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
Never a dry day.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
Like would you say without question that the NFL is
the only true three sixty five sport? Yeah, I mean,
and maybe college football's next the NBA. You know, the
off season is is awesome, but it's really only a
few days a week. The NFL offseason. You have the Combine,
you have the Senior.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
Ball, you have the East West free agency, you can
see the draft.
Speaker 4 (15:01):
It is just a massive conglomerate of one after another
and everything feels big. That's what I love about the
NFL is everything feels big. They have done such an
unbelievable job of marketing the league. And that's a testament
to say what you want about Roger Goodell, but he
has done a really good job of that. So I
would say in general, it's a little bit easier to
deal with NFL. However, I didn't go all in on
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the NBA insider route the way that I did on
the NFL, so maybe I'm a little biased. I also
just at this point in my life, Colin as a
basketball lover, a true hooper, but four years in college
not well, I prefer watching the NFL to any other sport.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Well, there's an urgency of suddenness, and there's also frankly,
it's a great TV product. The field fits person TV product,
and Roger Goodill is always understood we're a TV show.
Now I've got to ask you, obviously, because I grew
up in the Pacific Northwest. Starbucks and Microsoft are the corporations.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
Of note Amazon two.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Amazon now owns half a downtown or more. I know
people who have tried to rent in downtown.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
Sea non Weslake. Got to forget it.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
When you grow up and your dad runs Starbucks, you're
a grinder, which is one of the things I'm almost
kind of fascinated by billionaire's kids. But yet you have
a work ethic. You didn't go to some Princeton you
were hooping it getting your nose broken by Ray Allen.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
Is it advantages disadvantages to growing up with that kind
of wealth? Did your father let you see it? I
know this is a private question or personal question, but
I'm interested. I think the audience is interested.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
And I appreciate the interest.
Speaker 4 (16:35):
I would say that I was always really private growing up,
So it was really I was keenly aware of the
fact that I had privilege that I went to a
prep school. I didn't go to the Cholates, but I
went to a prep school in Seattle. I was well educated,
and I had access to things day to day that
other kids, even kids of means, didn't have. Maybe it
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was good food, maybe it was was good equipment, but
we didn't struggle ever. And so when I started to
I think basketball, this is why I love basketball so much,
and why I love sports so much is playing AAU basketball.
And I had I was on the I was in
the same AAU program as as Brandon Roy, So I
really saw someone at the top, and I saw the
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struggles that.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
He had to go through.
Speaker 4 (17:21):
And we were from five minutes apart, but I was
with him a lot, especially when he was trying to
qualify for the city. So he went to Garfield, which is.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
High school basketball program.
Speaker 4 (17:32):
Absolutely, and Seattle is a hotbed for basketball. I mean,
Jamal Crawford, Nate Robinson, you could just go down the list.
So and Brandon was the best of them all. And
yet he had a hard time getting into college. And
I remember watching him study. There was this small grammar
(17:52):
cy gym in Seattle, Grammar School gym, and he would
study and then he would go play, and we'd play
every day, and he wanted so Vally to call to
go to dub he ultimately got it done, and watching
him struggle and having to figure it out on his
own essentially, and then me having a tutor, I remember
thinking this is so unfair.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
Like he should have access to that.
Speaker 4 (18:13):
He's way more talented than me, but he didn't, and
it really bothered me. And so I would go home
and I would talk to my parents about this, and
they would say, listen, you have access to things that
nobody else has. You're not even in the one percent,
You're in the point one percent. And it's important for
us as parents for you to understand what you have
and what others don't have. And so I started to
(18:36):
become more and more aware with Starbucks and the Sonics,
because when I got into my teenage years fourteen through eighteen,
those pivotal high school years was when Starbucks probably was
doing its best, and he had the Sonics. So there
were things that I got to experience travel food culture.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
I was really aware of it. I was really aware
of it.
Speaker 4 (18:58):
And so there were I would say that there's no disadvantages,
like I can't. I just can't say it. But there
are things that you want to be ultra protective about.
And one of the things is is like this element
of privacy because you're not going to have a lot
in a small city like Seattle. And so I remember
(19:18):
talking to my parents at one point, I said, I
think I might need to change my name. I've never
I've told versions of this story of but never really specific.
I was probably seventeen, and I said to both my parents,
you know, we got to talk, and they don't. I
don't know what they thought, but I said, I think
it might be time for me to change my name.
And they said, oh, you don't like to name Jordan.
(19:38):
I said, no, I got to change my last name.
I said, Schultz, Schultz. This is this is too small
a city for us to But my dad said, are
you are you crazy? You know, if you know my dad,
he said, what are you nuts? And my mom My
mom thought it was crazy, but at least she wanted
to understand. My dad wanted nothing to do with it.
(19:59):
He's like, I think you're crazy for even suggesting that.
My mom really wanted to understand, and I said, because
as long as I'm in this city, especially Seattle, with
that last name, I'm never going to have my own identity,
I'm never going to have the respect of my peers,
and most importantly, I'm never going to escape the shadow.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
And so obviously I didn't.
Speaker 4 (20:20):
Change my name, but what it really cemented for me
was I'm not going to take over the family business.
Because that was also about the same time. I talked
to them and I said I don't think I could
ever pursue Starbucks, and they were really, really supportive, and
that was really important for me because my dad especially knew,
if you are in this building, especially taking over for
(20:41):
me ten fifteen years down the road, you'll never achieve
the type of success that you want because you'll always
have in the back of your mind. Oh, I got
this job because of my dad, And he said, you
know what, you'd be right, that's why you got the job.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
So that was a big i'd.
Speaker 4 (20:54):
Say learning experience over an eighteen month period of not
changing my last name, but also learning over time Colin
as I'm thirty seven now to be proud of it
but not show it off. There's like that fine balance,
and I still don't think I've achieved it, but I
am trying.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
Well, you're self aware. I love it. What a pleasure
for me, I know, you know, I've un to the
point in my career where all these talented young people.
Justin Herbert's on my show, he goes, yeah, I used
to listen to the backseat in my car going to
elementary school, and I'm like, thanks, I feel eighty.
Speaker 4 (21:24):
He's a Eugene guy, though, So you have the Pacific Northwest. Yes,
but I listened to you, Colin, I've been listening to you.
Maybe not that young, but yeah, since I'm ten, eleven,
twelve years old.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Well hopefully I imparted some wisdom.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
Yeah, you did a lot, rather a lot.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
What a pleasure. Congrats on your success. Let's stay in touch. Yes,
thank you, And I'm going to take a break and
come back and wrap it up with Ryan in a
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Speaker 1 (22:53):
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with Jordan Schultz today and some NFL insider stuff. His
wife's a husky by the way, for our Pacific Northwest
(23:14):
of viewers, I just learned that, so they their their
heart's still in Seattle. Ryan with the news.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
Turn on the news. This is the herd Line News.
Speaker 6 (23:26):
We'll kick things off. In the NFL, Anthony Richardson has
a lot of upside as he enters his first NFL season,
but lacks the in game reps of other rookies after
making just thirteen starts in his Florida career. As he
battles for the starting job, Shane Steichen has loved what
he's seen from his reps with the first team.
Speaker 7 (23:46):
Thought he had a heck of a day today. He
was really solid, made some big time throws. Obviously the
two minute drive, you know, threw a nice touch on
right there in the end zone, and then the two
point play that he ran into us. It was pretty
good to see. When you you know, you get repetition
and you do things more and more and you're gonna
get more comfortable. And I think he's, you know, gaining
confidence in the system and gaining confidence with his teammates.
And when you have that and you have the talent
(24:08):
that you know he has, you know, it's it's usually
a good thing.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
For the record. I saw this weekend Ryan. They listed
his size. He's a defensive end. He's like two two
fifty six four and a half sixty five. I can't
wait to watch him play now. I said this. I
think he's gonna be over his skis in the pocket
a lot. It's gonna look like Josh Allen where he's
just gonna run. He's gonna find himself, you know, on
(24:32):
a second and third read, I'm out of here, but
he is. I'm gonna tell you, I've watched it my
whole life. When you get these wildly dynamic young quarterbacks
that can move for the first two years of their career,
and you give them a very good offensive coach, the
league has no idea what it's in for. So I
think it's gonna be fascinating. It's gonna be a little Cam,
(24:54):
a little Josh Allen, and then a little Jalen Hurts
where he's not quite comfortable in the pocket for the
first year or two. I can't wait to watch it.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
Yeah, it's gonna be fascinating me.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
And they open up at home against the Jags, so
and that that rivalry has been weird upsets for.
Speaker 6 (25:13):
Years absolutely, Yeah, the Colts have struggled with the Jags
even when the Jags have been down and out. And
as you pointed out with Shane Steiken, he's worked great
with Jalen Hurts. He even had a short bit of
time there with Justin Herbert during his time in LA.
So he's done great work with great young quarterbacks, whether
they're more refined, more raw. So nothing but excitement heading
(25:35):
into the season, and the Colt says they hopefully can
shore up that long revolving door of quarterbacks since Andrew
Luck all right, and now for college football, landscape continues
to change. The PAC twelve days maybe numbered after five
more teams left the conference for the Big Ten and
the Big Twelve on Friday. Pete Carroll spent a long
time in the Pac twelve with USC and had this
(25:57):
to say about the recent realignment.
Speaker 8 (26:01):
I'm really disappointed, you know, I would think I would
think that there's a lot of people, a lot of
fans that are disappointed too, you know. And I know
it's a financial turn that they do, you know, and
they've got to make their decisions at all. But now
there's something about the tradition of it that gets lost
and I don't know where they recapture that, you know,
I don't know how they recapture the traditions that has
(26:22):
stood for so long.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
I'm pretty disappointed in.
Speaker 8 (26:23):
College football right now in general. I'm just disappointed that
it's gone the way it's gone, with all of the
stuff that's happened. And you know, I hope they can,
you know, get it right.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
You know, it's interesting, So the West Coast and the
Northeast have a lot in common, not only the coasts,
big port cities, a lot of pro sports. The Northeast
is not a college football hub. So Penn State and
Notre Dame, you know, they're popular in the Northeast having
lived there, but it's not really a college football hot bed.
And I think, and I've been telling people once, the
(26:55):
NFL came back to Los Angeles, So when Pete was here,
there was no one. And they have two NFL teams,
an MLS team. The Dodgers are dominant, the Clippers are legitimate.
So the LA sports market is very, very crowded, and
it wasn't when Pete was here. USC was the pro team.
And so I've said this before, is what is the
(27:17):
future if the LA schools aren't as big as they
were ten to fifteen years ago because the emergence of
the NFL in Los Angeles. What does it mean for
the conference? And this is what it means is that
USC and UCLA saw it and said, we're going to
join this legendary conference in the middle of the country
(27:39):
to keep us alive, keep us afloat. We've seen UCLA
struggling to draw fans at the Rose Bowl, and it's
not because people here don't love UCLA. This market is
so crowded. New York sports teams are mostly bad. Almost
everybody here is viable. I mean, you say, oh, a
down year for the Lakers, Joe watch them. I mean
(28:00):
the Clippers, the Lakers, USC, LAFC, Dodgers dominate their division.
There's just so many options in California, and unlike the
East Coast, you get perfect you know, spring, fall weather,
winter weather. So I my takeaway is LA attracting two
NFL teams has changed. The Trojans are still big, but
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it's changed the LA market. And without it, what is
the PAC twelve conference? And so I think for their
own survival. Four or five years ago, I was communicating
with USC people. They were looking to go independent or
move out of the conference. They saw it dying in
front of them. They saw the revenues at the SEC spiking,
Big Ten spiking, and they saw the Pac twelve revenue shrinking.
(28:45):
And so a lot of this is just USC five
years ago saying we can't give our football brand up.
It's like Duke basketball. We got these championship, this legacy,
this history, this revenue. We got to do something because
our conference isn't hold up their end of the bargain.
So I feel like USC really engineered this, and you
can blame them, but it's business, it's survival. It's one
(29:07):
of the great college football programs ever. Texas Football, Michigan, USC,
Notre Dame. You can't just give it up, they felt
four or five years ago. When I talked to them,
they were trying to figure out that's why they went
after Lincoln Riley. They're like, if Lincoln Riley doesn't take
that job and they get a second tier coach, what
is USC football other than underachieving for a decade in
(29:29):
a wildly competitive, distracted Los Angeles market.
Speaker 6 (29:32):
Yeah, they did exactly what they needed to do for
their own interests, and it wasn't just then this was
already happening across all of college football, so they had
to capitalize it on it as well, otherwise they would
have been left behind.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Texas had the same concerns in the Big Twelve. Our
conference isn't holding up their endo the bargain. We may
not win as much in the SEC, but it stabilizes
the next twenty to twenty five years of revenue.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
Absolutely.
Speaker 6 (29:57):
Let's wrap up with this in baseball, where we had
a big scuffle with the Guardians and White Sox game
on Saturday night. Jose Ramirez and Tim Anderson got into
it after a slide into second base led to some.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
Punches being thrown.
Speaker 6 (30:08):
Let's sack a Listen to the radio call from WTM,
Guardian's radio network.
Speaker 9 (30:14):
And another household double right over the bag at first.
Now Hosey and Anderson square off.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
They're fighting, They're swinging.
Speaker 9 (30:24):
Down Goesanderson, Down, goes Anderson. Ramirez went in with a
head first slide. Hosey never gets upset about anything. They
came up chewing. Anderson squared off. Hosey dictum.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
You never see that in baseball.
Speaker 6 (30:43):
You see a lot of pushing.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
Rarely do you see folds.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
They went hockey.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
Yeah, square it up.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
I even see you. Never, by the way, I didn't
think it was flush. I thought he I don't know
how that. I mean, listen, I'm not gonna take a punch.
But I didn't. I thought the Tim Anderson landed a
big haymaker, and that that thing didn't even look I get.
Speaker 6 (31:06):
Landed, just caught him right on the chin.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
Well, if I ever get in a fight, that's where
you have to land the punch. Apparently that is so.
I don't even remember. I do not remember ever seeing
that like that in baseball, never remember that.
Speaker 6 (31:21):
The only one I can remember is Joey Batiste. The
rote netto door.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
The umpire got out of the way. I want no
part of this, no part of this guy's swing away.
Ryan with the news, Well that's the news, and thanks
for stopping by. I must have watched that video fifty
times yesterday. I could not figure out how that punch
was that devastating, and even there in slow moll, I
(31:48):
still can't quite figure it out. Well, all right, good
show with day, Mark Schleare, Mark Helfrich, Jordan Schultz, Colin right,
Colin wrong. See tomorrow. It's the hurt
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