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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Well, I've been thinking about this interview last couple of days.
They told me I get Philip Rivers, who was so
animated as a player, first round pick by the Giants,
traded for Eli Manning on draft day, and they both
end up having absolutely remarkable careers. He is now the
football coach and has been for several years in Alabama
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Saint Michael Catholic. His son now is the quarterback and
a good one. Philip Rivers is now joining US live today.
You know, I gotta tell the audience, I've never seen
your son play, but his name is Gunner Rivers, and
I'm telling you right now, that's a franchise quarterback name.
I would draft him sight unseen on that, just on
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the name. Now, you were a trash talker and you
had a different delivery. Does he have your kind of sight,
arm delivery. Is he a little trash talker?
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Does he?
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Does?
Speaker 1 (01:19):
He have some of the Philip Rivers classic traits.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
Hey, Colin, how's it going?
Speaker 5 (01:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (01:25):
No, he uh, he definitely. Uh, he definitely has some
of the same traits.
Speaker 7 (01:29):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
He's a little more traditional throwing the football.
Speaker 6 (01:32):
Than than I than I was. But a lot of
people see him throw and go, dang, you throw just
like your dad. So he has a little bit of that.
I guess it's just genetic.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
Uh. And then he's a little more reserved than I am.
Speaker 6 (01:44):
He has the fire and passion for the game, but
I think he's got his mom's calmness, which which will
probably serve him well.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
I think everybody, very few people had your intensity on
the field.
Speaker 7 (01:57):
You know what's amazing.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
You were a trash talker, but players, even opponents loved you.
Did you think your intensity you're obviously talented. Did you
think your passion and intensity was your best trait?
Speaker 8 (02:11):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (02:11):
It was.
Speaker 4 (02:12):
It was probably one of them. I think, you know,
I had to. I had to.
Speaker 6 (02:15):
I had to a little bit toe the line. I
probably crossed the line a few times.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
You know.
Speaker 6 (02:18):
I think there's a there's a there's a you know,
a line that you don't want to cross to where
you you maybe you're not helping yourself or your team.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
So I'm sure that I didn't always keep that in check.
Speaker 6 (02:29):
But I do think that the passion and the fire
and the intensity was genuine. I don't think, I know
it was genuine, and I do think it was felt
by our teammates, and and and some regard helped, you know,
fuel kind of our personality and and and our you know,
resiliency and how we how we went about the game.
And then you mentioned our opponents, and I hope, I
hope you know you gained You obviously gained respect of
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your opponent over doing it for a long period of time.
Uh So, maybe not early on, but I think as
time grew, you gained that respect and they realized, man,
this dude loves to play football.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
And that's really all I was.
Speaker 6 (03:00):
There's a guy playing football in the backyard, and I
just never let that leave me, although we were playing,
you know, in front of you know, a million people
there on a Sunday afternoon.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
You know, the you told me one time, and I've
used this whenever I give a speech, I always say,
the great Philip Rivers told me he liked the process
of building the game plan as much as the game.
And can you instill that in your son or a
young quarterback or do you think that was just your
dad was a football coach. Do you think that's God
given an innate that you loved practice? Can you tee
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if a guy some of these quarterbacks I think liked
the game, I'm not sure they loved practice. Can you
teach that? Or did you feel that was just in
you from day one?
Speaker 4 (03:42):
Well?
Speaker 6 (03:42):
I do think that there was a some of that
that was just in me. But I think he got
to you better grow to uh, to love it, to
love the process, especially playing this position. You know, if
you want to be great, and and you know, and
and and maybe I would didn't get to get the great,
but I know I was pretty dang good for a
long time. And I don't think you can get there
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if you just think you're going to, you know, show
up and go out there and play for three and
a half hours on a Sunday afternoon, and so the
you know, the the process of every day and the
chance to be on the grass with your buddies practicing football, uh,
you know, and sitting in a meeting room and figuring
out you know, uh, spags is blitz patterns and rex
Rinse blitz patterns and all these and like figuring out
how we're going to get this thing picked up to
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throw a touchdown to Antonio Gates. I mean, that's that's
that's what it is. That's a blast or even a
third down conversion versus zimmers, you know, a double mug scheme.
I mean, those things were so fun to work on
all week, and then when it came to in the game,
you know, there were some some of the most gratifying
plays on a Sunday afternoon were the ones the fans
didn't even realize.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
But it was the but the behind the.
Speaker 6 (04:42):
Scenes preparations, you know, and it's those those the Saturday
morning walkthroughs, the bus rides, all those things that lead
up to the game.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
I certainly love to play.
Speaker 6 (04:50):
I loved the games and running out of the tunnel
and all those things that I used to ask my
mom and dad, hey, introduce me. You know, I'm coming
out and we're playing soever, you know, whoever, and they
would inner and I'd come running out down the hall,
you know, getting introduced. So I love that part I'll
be clear on that, but it was the process that
made that part so special and and so. But I
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just don't know how you play quarterback and don't are
all in on the process if you're trying to be
you know, trying to be you know, one of the best.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
You know, it's I have said this one of the things.
I do think you can become more accurate with coaching.
I think your footwork can improve with coaching. But there
is one thing that I just think is innate. Certain
quarterbacks Mahomes, you could see this instantly. Patrick can see
the field. He just sees the field. You did, Breeze did,
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Brady obviously did. And then I'll watch some young guys
and I'm like, I don't know if they I don't
know if they can see it like.
Speaker 7 (05:50):
There and I know there's a film study.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Did you get Did you always have that because you
were a good high school college coach the ability to
And I've heard this set about you, and I've heard
this set about Peyton and Brady that when a play
was over, you could look at the right side of
the field and yet you knew what was going on
and could see the left side of the field without
staring at it. The great quarterbacks have this innate ability.
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They just there's a rhythm to the secondary. And I
guess my question is, are there can you teach that
you had an innate feel for the position? Are there
some things Philip that aren't teachable?
Speaker 9 (06:33):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (06:34):
I mean I think yes.
Speaker 6 (06:36):
I mean I think there's certain things and talents that
so many guys have and so many different positions that
are God given ability. And you can, like you said,
I agree hundred percent. You know, we got to clamp
some footwork, we gotta cleamp some fundamentals. We can clean
up how you're reading this, or maybe your eyes are
just in the wrong place. But there are some things,
you know, being able to have to be accurate. You
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can work on accuracy. Some people just they can throw
all day long and they just aren't very accurate, and
you know, accuracy, anticipation and to be able to see
it all in process it fast. Definitely you can improve it,
but you're probably in a window. You know, someone that
can't do that. You can't get them to an elite level.
Someone that's pretty dang good at it. Maybe you can
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get them to really good at.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
It, but you can't. I don't think you can.
Speaker 6 (07:20):
There's there's certain parts of playing the position that you
can't make vast improvements. And some guys like you mentioned Mahomes,
and you know, we could go on and on of
talking about guys there are at a certain level already
that they are able to process and do those things
coached or not coached. And then now you throw in
Andy Reid and some of the other coaches he's had
and now and the experience that he's gained, and then
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you can take him to an even even higher level.
But he was already, you know, pretty dang elite at it.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
So I do agree. I do agree with you on
those things.
Speaker 6 (07:50):
And you know, it's funny because and everybody has their process.
You know, me and Drew were teammates. We got to
connect this weekend. It was great to see Drew. And
we had such a different, uh process in terms of
our daily routine. But yet they were both they both
worked and and there's some similarities. But I say that
not to mention this about Drew, but just we all
have our different routines. But uh, I used to I
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wasn't big looking at the iPad off the you know,
coming off the field. Now I would go look at
it to see or see the pictures to confirm maybe
or Dane, maybe they fooled me. I need to go
see it. But a lot of times, you know, it
was kind of a running joke. I'd say, I saw
it live, Guys, I just saw it live, and I
need to come back over here and look at it again.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
Crap.
Speaker 6 (08:31):
I know I should have gone the other way, you know,
so and again, and that was in an arrogant way.
It was just I saw live, you know, And so
certainly I use those tools as needed over there. But yeah,
there is definitely some of that. And and I say
it in humility because shoot, I threw it to the
other team, you know, shoot two hundred times or haveing
many times.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
So I certainly all right decisions.
Speaker 6 (08:53):
But I feel like I did have that ability to
see it and process it quickly and throw with anticipation
and be acturate.
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Speaker 1 (09:36):
So I have this. I wrote about this in my
first book. I've had this theory forever that most of
the great quarterbacks. At one point North Carolina State had
three starting quarterbacks in the NFL, and Cow had two
or three, and USC and Ohio State had none.
Speaker 7 (09:51):
That there's an argument to be made.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
That when you play at a North Carolina State or
a COW or a Miami of Ohio or a PERNDEU,
that's real life in the NFL.
Speaker 7 (10:03):
You're getting hit, the windows are small.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
These USC guys are throwing to wide, open wide receivers.
You're not doing that at Duke. You're not doing that
at NC State. That I think it was an advantage
for you to go to NC State instead of an
Ohio State because the NFL truth is discomfort. Nobody's that open.
You don't get great protection. You're getting hit constantly. I
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used to joke, I remember Matt Lioner at USC one
year he got sacked eleven times. He may have just
fallen down half of those. He barely got touched. That
when I was I'll give you an example. JJ McCarthy
always played with the lead Michigan a perfect offensive line.
Speaker 7 (10:44):
I worry about JJ.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Three years with hardball or two years with hardball, he
barely got touched. Do you think there's an advantage getting
beat up a little bit in college like Mahomes or
Josh Allen then going to the NFL.
Speaker 6 (11:00):
Yeah, I mean when you yeah, I'm sold based on that, uh,
that minute of you saying that. I never thought of
it that way, And I certainly didn't ever feel like,
uh I had inferior.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
Teammates those years at NC State.
Speaker 8 (11:12):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (11:12):
But there's a combination of that of yeah, maybe, and
even more so maybe now you don't have the you know,
you're all the comparisons you made make perfect sense. But
we felt like in NC State we were going to
think and win them all. You know, we thought we
were going to win them all. So I say that
with all due respect to certain teammates that hack beeruse.
I had many teammates you mentioned the quarterbacks, you know
behind me, the great receiver Tory Hole, many teammates of
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mine that had the long careers in the NFL. But yes,
and I think too, you get to play, you play
more games. You know, I played in fifty one college
football games. So I definitely felt like even more equipped
than had you go to a place and you only
play two years. You play twenty games, and you played
from a lead, and you hand it off and you throw.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
It eighteen times. I threw a hundred.
Speaker 6 (11:53):
I threw one hundred passes in my first two games
in NC State with Norm Chowt.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
You know, so but then you but you're right though.
Speaker 6 (11:59):
You at the NFL, and I was in my first
few first week or two of mini camp and uh
and and we had some play on I don't remember,
and I didn't throw the ball. I got to the
check down, didn't throw the deep cross or deep over
and and Cam Cameron said why didn't you throw it?
Speaker 4 (12:12):
And I said he's not open, and he said he's
wide open.
Speaker 6 (12:17):
And I was like, dang, okay, Like that's there's the
windows and the separations. So those things. Those things are
all true that you say. Now you're taking Matt Lighter
to J. J. McCarthy, a guy that can come from
those you know, uh historic programs and they can still
have unbelievable NFL career be great. So it's not like
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you can't that way. But is there something to be
said for the you know, the Texas text and the
Wyomings and NC states of the world. Maybe heck yeah,
And you know, uh, I definitely think there's something to
game experience and and playing and playing. There's no similar
there's nothing, no substitute for playing.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
You have to play.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Yeah, So Antonio Gates makes the Hall of Fame speaking
college never played a college football snap take me to
it may have been a practice. When was the first
moment you're at practice or somewhere with him and you went,
who's that guy?
Speaker 7 (13:14):
Like you knew?
Speaker 1 (13:16):
How long did it take for you to identify whoa
People can't guard him. He's too big for linebackers, he's
too he's too strong for safeties.
Speaker 7 (13:25):
How long did it take?
Speaker 4 (13:28):
Well?
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Not long.
Speaker 6 (13:29):
I mean I was in my rookie year and I
had a front row seat my first two years, you know,
with Drew and and and and and Gates that would
have been his you know, he was a rookie the
year before me, and so I got to see it.
I got to see it from the sideline is for
you know, those first two years. And he was one
of those guys that you know, we had a Gates
rul We had a Gates troel, we had we had
the we had the progression for the play and based
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off the coverage, and then we said, okay, and this
one is Gates rul and and it was which meant, hey,
if he's singled up, I don't care if the leverage
is good for him, He's gonna beat them anyway.
Speaker 4 (13:58):
And it was just that over wrote that, that over you.
Speaker 6 (14:02):
Know, uh, the progression was then done.
Speaker 4 (14:05):
It was overridden by the Gates rule.
Speaker 6 (14:07):
But he uh, he had a unique ability to he
was fast and big, but he had a unique ability
to understand body position and getting hands off and attack
and attacking leverage and doing those things. And and I
I you know, he was always considered this basketball guy,
basketball guy, basketball guy. But I think what he did
was he was very humble in saying, crap, I want
to be a football guy. And I got to learn
all this what is all the coverages? And they're bracketing me?
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And where's the help and what? And once he learned that,
then it was then it was forget about it. And uh,
and that's why he had that stretch, you know, seven
or eight nine year stretch. Obviously he played longer than that,
and his whole career was awesome, but he had that
stretch where he was arguably, you know, just uncoverable.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
So finally your son, Gunner Rivers is is and you
could look him up. He's going to be one of
those top quarterbacks on all those recruiting things. So you're
gonna start hearing about him. Do you ever watch him
and think, man, he does that a little better than
Dad did at his age?
Speaker 7 (14:59):
Is there is there anything you're just thinking?
Speaker 1 (15:01):
Man, he may be he maybe have a little better
fastball than Dad, or he may he may move a
little better than dad.
Speaker 4 (15:08):
Oh, yeah, that happens. That happens. Uh, more than you'd think.
I think.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
I think too.
Speaker 6 (15:14):
The game has just changed so much. You know, you
and I talked a little bit off air briefly. You know,
twenty five years ago it was just different. The game
is just different than what it is Now there wasn't
seven on sevens. And you know, we didn't grow up
playing flag football. I mean me and Gunner and you know, uh,
we we're playing flag football, uh, playing against teams from
Hawaii and Idaho and Arizona.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
And all this when we're in California when he was
ten years old.
Speaker 6 (15:35):
You know, so you're getting you're getting to practice that
anticipation and accurate accuracy as a ten year old. And
so he's just he's just thrown the football in a
competitive environment a whole lot more because of the day
and age of football that we're in.
Speaker 4 (15:48):
And uh, you know, it's it's it's been fun.
Speaker 6 (15:50):
It's fun to it's fun to coach him and his
teammates and be at this, be at the school and
and coach these guys up and you know, and and
again remember the mission is this more than about the game.
I remind these guys just go to end for you
at some point. Most of our guys, it's going to
end when they graduate high school. And hopefully, you know
Gunner and he does have some teammates that can advance
and play college football. But I remind them that even
if you get to play for seventeen years, it does
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stop and the clock will end. So it's got to
be more than just the x'es and o's. You got
to learn those those life lessons that you get from
this great sport. And I'm hopeful that I can pass
some of that down to these guys and help them
be better men for having been in the program.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
Well, you're a class guy, one of my favorite players
seventeen years. I was looking at some of your stats.
Six most four hundred and twenty one career passing touchdowns,
the sixth most in NFL history. Two hundred and forty
consecutive starts in the regular season.
Speaker 7 (16:45):
That is a lot of starts. Was there ever?
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Did you ever have a game day when you just
felt like crud and started?
Speaker 7 (16:52):
Like?
Speaker 1 (16:52):
Did you ever have? I mean, you obviously were not
in perfect condition. Did you ever not know an hour
before a game if you're going to start?
Speaker 4 (17:02):
No?
Speaker 6 (17:03):
No, I know, but but yes, many games were it
felt like crud would be an understatement, But thankfully, I
mean again, this isn't me saying, wow, look how tough
I was.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
I really was.
Speaker 6 (17:14):
I had a lot of I was blessed with health
and the ability to go out there every Sunday.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
I'll just leave it at that.
Speaker 6 (17:20):
But there were certain sundays that weren't real fun physically,
weren't real fun during the week to get there, but again,
a lot of great guys up front fight like crazy
to keep me clean, and then you just have some
injuries you have and you deal with them and you
There was the one record that was one of my
favorite growing up. You know, I mentioned the fifty one
Starts in the Road den Cy State, which at a time,
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at that time was a record. I think it's been
broken and now these guys playing fourteen fifteen games a year.
But one of my favorite records was Brett Farres Start
Street and I remember watching that going, man, he's played
how many year rowd, Man, he's going to get to
three hundred. And I remember just saying, again, this is
just as a competitor, I'm going I'm going to chase.
Speaker 4 (17:59):
Brett far As record. I'm gonna get there.
Speaker 6 (18:01):
And I didn't play those first two years, as I
said behind Drew, and I realized ultimately I couldn't get there,
but by golly, I was gonna find a way. He'd
be second, you know, and suit up and be out
there if I could every week for our team. And
I do think there's a you know, the best ability,
as Chuck Amato told us, the best abilities dependability, and
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that was one thing I was gonna be I was
gonna be out there.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
I was gonna be out there every week. I was
gonna be out there every week and give it them
my all.
Speaker 6 (18:28):
And shoot, I know we fell short plenty of times,
but they knew they could count on seventeen get them
everything they had for those turn and forty in a row.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
Well, my favorite interview in a long time Philip absolute pleasure.
Saint Michael Catholic High School in Alabama. He took over
a program that didn't really exist. They just won their
first playoff game last year. Congratulations to you and your
program and they are lucky to have you as a coach.
Speaker 7 (18:51):
Thanks man, Thanks Golling.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
Enjoyed it.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
Philip rivers, great stories. Just a impressive guy like that.
There's a guy like there's a guy that He had
some offensive lines that were a bit dubious. He took
a few hits in his day and was always there.
Two hundred and forty consecutive starts in the regular season.
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Speaker 8 (19:45):
Rams fans Collins are kind of panicking about this Matt
Stafford back situation. Previously, he was labeled week to week,
which that's not good.
Speaker 7 (19:55):
Especially in August.
Speaker 8 (19:56):
But reports today say Stafford is progressing to doing on
field work. He got an epidural in his back a
few weeks ago, and the Rams have tried to give
him time to let his back. Heel on his own,
and that means he's hanging out out and about in
let's say, the South Bay out here in LA. But
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I'm of the belief he's going to be fine week one.
This is just an old vet getting a lot of rest.
I would not panic over this backstuff.
Speaker 7 (20:25):
I don't think it's a thing at all. I mean,
they've got.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
You know, he's a guy that took some hits and
he's also and we've noted this, he's the last old
quarterback in the league that will stand in the pocket
to the very end and take a helmet to the teeth.
But what about Osmond, Dude, he has Aaron Rodgers since
I think is twenty twenty two averages fewer big plays
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twenty plus plays than Derek Carr. Oh yeah, Aaron is
done getting hit. He will not sit in there. And
by the way, I'd probably be more air than Matt Stafford.
I'm not blaming him, but Matt's gonna stand there and
take a hit to the very end. Tom Brady at
the end was practicing getting sacked. Aaron doesn't want to
get hit. Eli didn't want to get hit, and they're
great quarterbacks. Stafford will get hit, so it punitives those
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hits have added up.
Speaker 8 (21:16):
It is interesting the narrative surrounding these two old players. Here.
Stafford is ascending, wins the Super Bowl, projected to it
a super Bowl no look passes. Meanwhile, Aaron Rodgers has
been an unmitigated disaster since forcing his way out of
Green Bay. Obviously there was the injury, but I'll there
right now Stafford gets back to another Super Bowl, We're
gonna be talking. I guarantee you Super Bowl week. Well,
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Stafford had a better career than Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
I've been playing to get that high school college early
pro late pro.
Speaker 7 (21:45):
Stafford's better now.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Now, was there a nine year period in the middle
when Aaron, with a really good organization and always having
good offensive lines, was better than Stafford in Detroit?
Speaker 7 (21:57):
Yes, but this.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
Goes back to something we talked about earlier. If you're great, great,
we'll find you. Sean McVay found a quarterback and a
losing franchise who kept losing and said that is special.
So it's like it's justice, Like this guy deserved finally
to get a great coach.
Speaker 7 (22:15):
He was just too talented.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Tony John Elway was eventually gonna find his magical coach,
and he got it with Shanahan.
Speaker 7 (22:23):
Certainly, let's move on to Drake May.
Speaker 8 (22:25):
The hype continues to build for the second year QB
in New England. He's been getting comparisons to Josh Allen,
the reigning MVP.
Speaker 7 (22:33):
Here's May responding to that compliment.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
He's the MVP.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
I think the comparisons are I got a lot of
work to do, you know, with kind of even give
me in the same you know stratusphere or atmosphere as
Josh so luckily in the division. So we have some
good matchups looking forward to, but really comparisons, I'm just
trying to be myself and hey, at the end of
the day, some people think that that's a lot of
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in respect for him, but at.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
The work to do for that.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
Yeah, I think his comp is Herbert, and I think
it's an accurate one.
Speaker 7 (23:05):
I don't think there is a comp for Josh Allen.
Speaker 8 (23:09):
Jacques Allen and Herbert are the two comps essentially.
Speaker 7 (23:13):
No, No, there is no. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
I mean I can see justin Herbert. You can see it,
same size, they move well, you can you can see Herbert.
You can see it in college that there is no.
Speaker 7 (23:24):
Comp for Josh Allen. There's never anything quite like it.
Speaker 8 (23:26):
But what about Dave Craig from your Seattle days, He's
a comp for Josh Allen.
Speaker 4 (23:31):
I'm just kidding.
Speaker 8 (23:32):
But in all honesty, he was really good stood in
the pocket.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
I don't think he was as mobile.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
As Drake Drake's I mean, when you watch Drake right there,
you can see it. I mean, he's got a he's
really talented and he has had nothing to work with. So,
I mean, they've got there. They've got there. It's exciting.
If you're a New England fan. You got your guy, now,
how great will he be? But listen, Chicago's never had
their guy like some of these organizations. I mean Tampa
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before Brady. I mean they look forever. The Jets, they're
still looking for another name of thanks. So, I mean
it just when you have Drake Man, it's like, okay,
twelve years, let's just get him protected and get him weapons.
Speaker 7 (24:11):
You've got your guy, all right, Let's wrap up with
a little baseball.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
My Yanks.
Speaker 8 (24:15):
They got an Aaron Judge back last night, but it
did not matter. They lost their fifth straight to zero
defeat against the Rangers.
Speaker 7 (24:23):
Yanks are lost five straight.
Speaker 8 (24:25):
People are panicking. I think it's time to take a
deep breath. Here's Judge talking to the media after the game.
Speaker 10 (24:30):
Oh, I guess I'm worth to do. I know a
lot of things to clean up, but the boys that
are fired up to, you know, change all that and
get things right. And you got a great ball club
in here. So there's a lot of mistakes all around,
you know, some mental mistakes and physical mistakes. But yeah,
you guys are you gotta pick them and we gotta
fix them.
Speaker 8 (24:49):
Now.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
Yeah, they're very They're very I mean, once Garrett Cole's gone,
you lose your a's you become very Aeron Judge reliant.
And he just got back he would he was out
and they didn't play well. They're very home run reliant
and very Aaron Judge reliant. They for all the money
they spent, and I think the Dodgers and the Mets
spend more, I think they're third I think right now
in baseball for all for all the money based spend.
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They feel like they have a little bit of an
uneven roster. And I mean they're just very Judge and
home run reliant.
Speaker 8 (25:23):
And all the Dodgers fans here put together this interesting
chart Yankees compared to the arguably worst team in baseball,
the White Sox, since July sixth, So we're looking at
a month of data here. Not great when you're compared
to a historically bad White Sox team. I will just
say the Yanks are gonna be okay. They're still firmly
in the wildcard mix.
Speaker 7 (25:44):
There's like forty five ish games left in the season.
They'll be Everybody goes through these lulls.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
They're gonna be a right maybe the Dodgers was in
about six weeks ago. The Dodgers were tire fire. They
got swept for the Brewers. Yeah, I mean they got
swept by the Brewers.
Speaker 7 (25:59):
They and't score.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
They have injuries. You have one hundred and sixty two games.
I'm sorry to ask players have ultimate urgency. If you
have a couple pitching injuries, you're done right now. The
Yankees have a you know, Aaron Boone the bullpen and
Devin Williams. You know, it's just like if they got
back end issues.
Speaker 7 (26:15):
It's the way it works. Jmack with the news.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by The
herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
The Good Show today, Philip Rivers was hopefully if you
were in your car listening for about twenty five minutes,
he was, He's got great stories. And Joe Thomas came
on earlier today. And you know, you get these days
on the internet. I swear to got between AI and
the tribal nature of political fans.
Speaker 7 (26:43):
Half the time I don't even know.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
And then you got people on the internet that are
pretending they're Adam Schefter. I mean, I don't know what
is true and what's not. So with Cleveland, the video
I've seen, I think Shador Sanders looks better than Dylan
Gabriel now say, well, well you Dylan's getting snaps with
the better players. I will say this, the Browns have
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a very weak receiving core. So the difference between the
number two receiver for the Browns and the number four
is probably not that great.
Speaker 7 (27:14):
They're both throwing to just guys.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
But Joe Thomas earlier today on on sort of how
he views the current Browns quarterback pecking order.
Speaker 5 (27:26):
So I think Chadur is ahead of Dylan right now.
Speaker 9 (27:29):
Dylan clearly has some things that he does really well,
obviously his mobility, his ability to get outside the pocket.
But the challenge of being a short quarterback, especially in
the NFL and NFL passing offenses, is that you have
to throw to a spot a lot of times. You
have to build that trust and that understanding of looking
at the structure of the defense knowing where the ball
needs to go. So far, Chadur has, I think, in
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my opinion, outplayed Dylan at this point in training camp
because Dylan's had some struggles with accuracy in Shadur although
it's not been great with.
Speaker 5 (27:57):
The procedural side of things.
Speaker 9 (27:59):
When he's up there under the center and he's trying
to make calls and adjustments at the line of scrimmage,
he's getting everybody lined up the snapcount.
Speaker 7 (28:08):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
Of all the voices in Cleveland, that's the one, you know.
And that's not a knock on the other journalists and
all the people. Mary kay Cabot, I know she's been
very optimistic with Shador Sanders. Mary Kay Cabot's excellent. She's
been optimistic. And Joe Thomas is like I like him
better than Dylan Gabriel. That's what I'm gonna trust, and
I'm gonna trust my eyes. He's just a bigger kid
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that throws the ball more accurately, more often. I don't
know what he's you know, I don't know lining people up.
Maybe he's not as good at that. I think you
can develop that over time and reps and practice. But
here's Joe Thomas. Also, the other thing I asked him about,
I said, and Joe, I don't know the number. Joe
Thomas must have had forty quarterbacks behind him, at least
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twenty five. I mean, there's a different guy every week.
But one of the stories that came out, it's a
team that's the Browns rival the Steelers, and these are
Pittsburgh reporters saying, yeah, this Aaron thing is very dink
and dunk.
Speaker 7 (29:06):
He won't throw the ball down the field.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
And my take is he doesn't trust the offensive line.
He didn't trust the Jets all line, and the Steelers
all line, according to PFF, is worse. And here's Joe
Thomas on older quarterbacks than Aaron Rodgers sometimes going underneath
instead of sitting and waiting the extra beat.
Speaker 9 (29:25):
The young quarterbacks they don't know any better, right. Their
youth is their ignorance, and it serves them well because
they're willing to stand in there and they're willing to
take those hits right in the chops. And I think
that remains to be seen a little bit with Aaron
Rodgers because he's never been a guy that loved being
hit him. He's never been a huge guy, but he's
always had great feet. He's always been able to extend
the play get out of the pocket with his athleticism,
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and we really didn't see that with the Jets and
so far coming out of the Steelers' training camp.
Speaker 5 (29:50):
There's been some conversation about him not really showing.
Speaker 11 (29:53):
Great mobility, not showing an ability to escape the pocket,
escape the rush, and that comes into question then about
how much is he willing to be able to just
stand in there and extend the play if you can't
do it with his feet anymore, and he's not willing
to take the hits.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Yeah, And that's why I've said is I said this
two or three days ago, and I read multiple stories
out of the Steelers. I think it's going to look
like a more polished, better coach version of the Jets.
Aaron didn't want to take the hits, and I don't
blame him. Brady didn't, Peyton didn't, Eli didn't, Aaron doesn't.
Stafford's an outlier. He'll sit in there to the very end.
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Philip Rivers took some shots. Big Ben took way too
many shots. In my opinion, big Ben would hold the
ball later in his career, say bro get out of there.
But I mean, when you watch this video, you know
you can watch his movement.
Speaker 7 (30:42):
He doesn't look like twenty six year old Aaron.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
He doesn't.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
He's an older guy. So and since twenty twenty two.
The staff put it here. The last season in Green Bay,
Aaron's got fewer what they call big pass plays twenty
plus yards than Derek Carr. And that's It's not that
Aaron can't throw it deep. It's just not going to
sit in the pocket and take shots.
Speaker 7 (31:01):
Now.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
I think if he played with the Lions or the
Eagles and their own lines, those numbers would all change.
It's not his lack of ability Aaron still tents hits.
His lack of willingness to get hammered. He got no
interest in that stuff.
Speaker 7 (31:15):
All right, we're done. We are done. I think we
fulfilled our obligation for three hours.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Well, I've been thinking about this interview last couple of days.
They told me I get Philip Rivers, who was so
animated as a player, first round pick by the Giants,
traded for Eli Manning on draft day, and they both
end up having absolutely remarkable careers. He is now the
football coach and has been for several years in Alabama
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Saint Michael Catholic. His son now is the quarterback and
a good one. Philip Rivers is now joining US live today.
You know, I gotta tell the audience, I've never seen
your son play, but his name is Gunner Rivers, and
I'm telling you right now, that's a franchise quarterback name.
I would draft him sight unseen on that, just on
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the name. Now, you were a trash talker and you
had a different delivery. Does he have your kind of sight,
arm delivery. Is he a little trash talker?
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Does he?
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Does?
Speaker 1 (01:19):
He have some of the Philip Rivers classic traits.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
Hey, Colin, how's it going?
Speaker 5 (01:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (01:25):
No, he uh, he definitely. Uh, he definitely has some
of the same traits.
Speaker 7 (01:29):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
He's a little more traditional throwing the football.
Speaker 6 (01:32):
Than than I than I was. But a lot of
people see him throw and go, dang, you throw just
like your dad. So he has a little bit of that.
I guess it's just genetic.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
Uh. And then he's a little more reserved than I am.
Speaker 6 (01:44):
He has the fire and passion for the game, but
I think he's got his mom's calmness, which which will
probably serve him well.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
I think everybody, very few people had your intensity on
the field.
Speaker 7 (01:57):
You know what's amazing.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
You were a trash talker, but players, even opponents loved you.
Did you think your intensity you're obviously talented. Did you
think your passion and intensity was your best trait?
Speaker 8 (02:11):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (02:11):
It was.
Speaker 4 (02:12):
It was probably one of them. I think, you know,
I had to. I had to.
Speaker 6 (02:15):
I had to a little bit toe the line. I
probably crossed the line a few times.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
You know.
Speaker 6 (02:18):
I think there's a there's a there's a you know,
a line that you don't want to cross to where
you you maybe you're not helping yourself or your team.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
So I'm sure that I didn't always keep that in check.
Speaker 6 (02:29):
But I do think that the passion and the fire
and the intensity was genuine. I don't think, I know
it was genuine, and I do think it was felt
by our teammates, and and and some regard helped, you know,
fuel kind of our personality and and and our you know,
resiliency and how we how we went about the game.
And then you mentioned our opponents, and I hope, I
hope you know you gained You obviously gained respect of
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your opponent over doing it for a long period of time.
Uh So, maybe not early on, but I think as
time grew, you gained that respect and they realized, man,
this dude loves to play football.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
And that's really all I was.
Speaker 6 (03:00):
There's a guy playing football in the backyard, and I
just never let that leave me, although we were playing,
you know, in front of you know, a million people
there on a Sunday afternoon.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
You know, the you told me one time, and I've
used this whenever I give a speech, I always say,
the great Philip Rivers told me he liked the process
of building the game plan as much as the game.
And can you instill that in your son or a
young quarterback or do you think that was just your
dad was a football coach. Do you think that's God
given an innate that you loved practice? Can you tee
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if a guy some of these quarterbacks I think liked
the game, I'm not sure they loved practice. Can you
teach that? Or did you feel that was just in
you from day one?
Speaker 4 (03:42):
Well?
Speaker 6 (03:42):
I do think that there was a some of that
that was just in me. But I think he got
to you better grow to uh, to love it, to
love the process, especially playing this position. You know, if
you want to be great, and and you know, and
and and maybe I would didn't get to get the great,
but I know I was pretty dang good for a
long time. And I don't think you can get there
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if you just think you're going to, you know, show
up and go out there and play for three and
a half hours on a Sunday afternoon, and so the
you know, the the process of every day and the
chance to be on the grass with your buddies practicing football, uh,
you know, and sitting in a meeting room and figuring
out you know, uh, spags is blitz patterns and rex
Rinse blitz patterns and all these and like figuring out
how we're going to get this thing picked up to
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throw a touchdown to Antonio Gates. I mean, that's that's
that's what it is. That's a blast or even a
third down conversion versus zimmers, you know, a double mug scheme.
I mean, those things were so fun to work on
all week, and then when it came to in the game,
you know, there were some some of the most gratifying
plays on a Sunday afternoon were the ones the fans
didn't even realize.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
But it was the but the behind the.
Speaker 6 (04:42):
Scenes preparations, you know, and it's those those the Saturday
morning walkthroughs, the bus rides, all those things that lead
up to the game.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
I certainly love to play.
Speaker 6 (04:50):
I loved the games and running out of the tunnel
and all those things that I used to ask my
mom and dad, hey, introduce me. You know, I'm coming
out and we're playing soever, you know, whoever, and they
would inner and I'd come running out down the hall,
you know, getting introduced. So I love that part I'll
be clear on that, but it was the process that
made that part so special and and so. But I
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just don't know how you play quarterback and don't are
all in on the process if you're trying to be
you know, trying to be you know, one of the best.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
You know, it's I have said this one of the things.
I do think you can become more accurate with coaching.
I think your footwork can improve with coaching. But there
is one thing that I just think is innate. Certain
quarterbacks Mahomes, you could see this instantly. Patrick can see
the field. He just sees the field. You did, Breeze did,
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Brady obviously did. And then I'll watch some young guys
and I'm like, I don't know if they I don't
know if they can see it like.
Speaker 7 (05:50):
There and I know there's a film study.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Did you get Did you always have that because you
were a good high school college coach the ability to
And I've heard this set about you, and I've heard
this set about Peyton and Brady that when a play
was over, you could look at the right side of
the field and yet you knew what was going on
and could see the left side of the field without
staring at it. The great quarterbacks have this innate ability.
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They just there's a rhythm to the secondary. And I
guess my question is, are there can you teach that
you had an innate feel for the position? Are there
some things Philip that aren't teachable?
Speaker 9 (06:33):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (06:34):
I mean I think yes.
Speaker 6 (06:36):
I mean I think there's certain things and talents that
so many guys have and so many different positions that
are God given ability. And you can, like you said,
I agree hundred percent. You know, we got to clamp
some footwork, we gotta cleamp some fundamentals. We can clean
up how you're reading this, or maybe your eyes are
just in the wrong place. But there are some things,
you know, being able to have to be accurate. You
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can work on accuracy. Some people just they can throw
all day long and they just aren't very accurate, and
you know, accuracy, anticipation and to be able to see
it all in process it fast. Definitely you can improve it,
but you're probably in a window. You know, someone that
can't do that. You can't get them to an elite level.
Someone that's pretty dang good at it. Maybe you can
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get them to really good at.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
It, but you can't. I don't think you can.
Speaker 6 (07:20):
There's there's certain parts of playing the position that you
can't make vast improvements. And some guys like you mentioned Mahomes,
and you know, we could go on and on of
talking about guys there are at a certain level already
that they are able to process and do those things
coached or not coached. And then now you throw in
Andy Reid and some of the other coaches he's had
and now and the experience that he's gained, and then
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you can take him to an even even higher level.
But he was already, you know, pretty dang elite at it.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
So I do agree. I do agree with you on
those things.
Speaker 6 (07:50):
And you know, it's funny because and everybody has their process.
You know, me and Drew were teammates. We got to
connect this weekend. It was great to see Drew. And
we had such a different, uh process in terms of
our daily routine. But yet they were both they both
worked and and there's some similarities. But I say that
not to mention this about Drew, but just we all
have our different routines. But uh, I used to I
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wasn't big looking at the iPad off the you know,
coming off the field. Now I would go look at
it to see or see the pictures to confirm maybe
or Dane, maybe they fooled me. I need to go
see it. But a lot of times, you know, it
was kind of a running joke. I'd say, I saw
it live, Guys, I just saw it live, and I
need to come back over here and look at it again.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
Crap.
Speaker 6 (08:31):
I know I should have gone the other way, you know,
so and again, and that was in an arrogant way.
It was just I saw live, you know, And so
certainly I use those tools as needed over there. But yeah,
there is definitely some of that. And and I say
it in humility because shoot, I threw it to the
other team, you know, shoot two hundred times or haveing
many times.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
So I certainly all right decisions.
Speaker 6 (08:53):
But I feel like I did have that ability to
see it and process it quickly and throw with anticipation
and be acturate.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
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Speaker 1 (09:36):
So I have this. I wrote about this in my
first book. I've had this theory forever that most of
the great quarterbacks. At one point North Carolina State had
three starting quarterbacks in the NFL, and Cow had two
or three, and USC and Ohio State had none.
Speaker 7 (09:51):
That there's an argument to be made.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
That when you play at a North Carolina State or
a COW or a Miami of Ohio or a PERNDEU,
that's real life in the NFL.
Speaker 7 (10:03):
You're getting hit, the windows are small.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
These USC guys are throwing to wide, open wide receivers.
You're not doing that at Duke. You're not doing that
at NC State. That I think it was an advantage
for you to go to NC State instead of an
Ohio State because the NFL truth is discomfort. Nobody's that open.
You don't get great protection. You're getting hit constantly. I
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used to joke, I remember Matt Lioner at USC one
year he got sacked eleven times. He may have just
fallen down half of those. He barely got touched. That
when I was I'll give you an example. JJ McCarthy
always played with the lead Michigan a perfect offensive line.
Speaker 7 (10:44):
I worry about JJ.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Three years with hardball or two years with hardball, he
barely got touched. Do you think there's an advantage getting
beat up a little bit in college like Mahomes or
Josh Allen then going to the NFL.
Speaker 6 (11:00):
Yeah, I mean when you yeah, I'm sold based on that, uh,
that minute of you saying that. I never thought of
it that way, And I certainly didn't ever feel like,
uh I had inferior.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
Teammates those years at NC State.
Speaker 8 (11:12):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (11:12):
But there's a combination of that of yeah, maybe, and
even more so maybe now you don't have the you know,
you're all the comparisons you made make perfect sense. But
we felt like in NC State we were going to
think and win them all. You know, we thought we
were going to win them all. So I say that
with all due respect to certain teammates that hack beeruse.
I had many teammates you mentioned the quarterbacks, you know
behind me, the great receiver Tory Hole, many teammates of
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mine that had the long careers in the NFL. But yes,
and I think too, you get to play, you play
more games. You know, I played in fifty one college
football games. So I definitely felt like even more equipped
than had you go to a place and you only
play two years. You play twenty games, and you played
from a lead, and you hand it off and you throw.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
It eighteen times. I threw a hundred.
Speaker 6 (11:53):
I threw one hundred passes in my first two games
in NC State with Norm Chowt.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
You know, so but then you but you're right though.
Speaker 6 (11:59):
You at the NFL, and I was in my first
few first week or two of mini camp and uh
and and we had some play on I don't remember,
and I didn't throw the ball. I got to the
check down, didn't throw the deep cross or deep over
and and Cam Cameron said why didn't you throw it?
Speaker 4 (12:12):
And I said he's not open, and he said he's
wide open.
Speaker 6 (12:17):
And I was like, dang, okay, Like that's there's the
windows and the separations. So those things. Those things are
all true that you say. Now you're taking Matt Lighter
to J. J. McCarthy, a guy that can come from
those you know, uh historic programs and they can still
have unbelievable NFL career be great. So it's not like
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you can't that way. But is there something to be
said for the you know, the Texas text and the
Wyomings and NC states of the world. Maybe heck yeah,
And you know, uh, I definitely think there's something to
game experience and and playing and playing. There's no similar
there's nothing, no substitute for playing.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
You have to play.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Yeah, So Antonio Gates makes the Hall of Fame speaking
college never played a college football snap take me to
it may have been a practice. When was the first
moment you're at practice or somewhere with him and you went,
who's that guy?
Speaker 7 (13:14):
Like you knew?
Speaker 1 (13:16):
How long did it take for you to identify whoa
People can't guard him. He's too big for linebackers, he's
too he's too strong for safeties.
Speaker 7 (13:25):
How long did it take?
Speaker 4 (13:28):
Well?
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Not long.
Speaker 6 (13:29):
I mean I was in my rookie year and I
had a front row seat my first two years, you know,
with Drew and and and and and Gates that would
have been his you know, he was a rookie the
year before me, and so I got to see it.
I got to see it from the sideline is for
you know, those first two years. And he was one
of those guys that you know, we had a Gates
rul We had a Gates troel, we had we had
the we had the progression for the play and based
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off the coverage, and then we said, okay, and this
one is Gates rul and and it was which meant, hey,
if he's singled up, I don't care if the leverage
is good for him, He's gonna beat them anyway.
Speaker 4 (13:58):
And it was just that over wrote that, that over you.
Speaker 6 (14:02):
Know, uh, the progression was then done.
Speaker 4 (14:05):
It was overridden by the Gates rule.
Speaker 6 (14:07):
But he uh, he had a unique ability to he
was fast and big, but he had a unique ability
to understand body position and getting hands off and attack
and attacking leverage and doing those things. And and I
I you know, he was always considered this basketball guy,
basketball guy, basketball guy. But I think what he did
was he was very humble in saying, crap, I want
to be a football guy. And I got to learn
all this what is all the coverages? And they're bracketing me?
(14:28):
And where's the help and what? And once he learned that,
then it was then it was forget about it. And uh,
and that's why he had that stretch, you know, seven
or eight nine year stretch. Obviously he played longer than that,
and his whole career was awesome, but he had that
stretch where he was arguably, you know, just uncoverable.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
So finally your son, Gunner Rivers is is and you
could look him up. He's going to be one of
those top quarterbacks on all those recruiting things. So you're
gonna start hearing about him. Do you ever watch him
and think, man, he does that a little better than
Dad did at his age?
Speaker 7 (14:59):
Is there is there anything you're just thinking?
Speaker 1 (15:01):
Man, he may be he maybe have a little better
fastball than Dad, or he may he may move a
little better than dad.
Speaker 4 (15:08):
Oh, yeah, that happens. That happens. Uh, more than you'd think.
I think.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
I think too.
Speaker 6 (15:14):
The game has just changed so much. You know, you
and I talked a little bit off air briefly. You know,
twenty five years ago it was just different. The game
is just different than what it is Now there wasn't
seven on sevens. And you know, we didn't grow up
playing flag football. I mean me and Gunner and you know, uh,
we we're playing flag football, uh, playing against teams from
Hawaii and Idaho and Arizona.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
And all this when we're in California when he was
ten years old.
Speaker 6 (15:35):
You know, so you're getting you're getting to practice that
anticipation and accurate accuracy as a ten year old. And
so he's just he's just thrown the football in a
competitive environment a whole lot more because of the day
and age of football that we're in.
Speaker 4 (15:48):
And uh, you know, it's it's it's been fun.
Speaker 6 (15:50):
It's fun to it's fun to coach him and his
teammates and be at this, be at the school and
and coach these guys up and you know, and and
again remember the mission is this more than about the game.
I remind these guys just go to end for you
at some point. Most of our guys, it's going to
end when they graduate high school. And hopefully, you know
Gunner and he does have some teammates that can advance
and play college football. But I remind them that even
if you get to play for seventeen years, it does
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stop and the clock will end. So it's got to
be more than just the x'es and o's. You got
to learn those those life lessons that you get from
this great sport. And I'm hopeful that I can pass
some of that down to these guys and help them
be better men for having been in the program.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
Well, you're a class guy, one of my favorite players
seventeen years. I was looking at some of your stats.
Six most four hundred and twenty one career passing touchdowns,
the sixth most in NFL history. Two hundred and forty
consecutive starts in the regular season.
Speaker 7 (16:45):
That is a lot of starts. Was there ever?
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Did you ever have a game day when you just
felt like crud and started?
Speaker 7 (16:52):
Like?
Speaker 1 (16:52):
Did you ever have? I mean, you obviously were not
in perfect condition. Did you ever not know an hour
before a game if you're going to start?
Speaker 4 (17:02):
No?
Speaker 6 (17:03):
No, I know, but but yes, many games were it
felt like crud would be an understatement, But thankfully, I
mean again, this isn't me saying, wow, look how tough
I was.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
I really was.
Speaker 6 (17:14):
I had a lot of I was blessed with health
and the ability to go out there every Sunday.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
I'll just leave it at that.
Speaker 6 (17:20):
But there were certain sundays that weren't real fun physically,
weren't real fun during the week to get there, but again,
a lot of great guys up front fight like crazy
to keep me clean, and then you just have some
injuries you have and you deal with them and you
There was the one record that was one of my
favorite growing up. You know, I mentioned the fifty one
Starts in the Road den Cy State, which at a time,
(17:42):
at that time was a record. I think it's been
broken and now these guys playing fourteen fifteen games a year.
But one of my favorite records was Brett Farres Start
Street and I remember watching that going, man, he's played
how many year rowd, Man, he's going to get to
three hundred. And I remember just saying, again, this is
just as a competitor, I'm going I'm going to chase.
Speaker 4 (17:59):
Brett far As record. I'm gonna get there.
Speaker 6 (18:01):
And I didn't play those first two years, as I
said behind Drew, and I realized ultimately I couldn't get there,
but by golly, I was gonna find a way. He'd
be second, you know, and suit up and be out
there if I could every week for our team. And
I do think there's a you know, the best ability,
as Chuck Amato told us, the best abilities dependability, and
(18:22):
that was one thing I was gonna be I was
gonna be out there.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
I was gonna be out there every week. I was
gonna be out there every week and give it them
my all.
Speaker 6 (18:28):
And shoot, I know we fell short plenty of times,
but they knew they could count on seventeen get them
everything they had for those turn and forty in a row.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
Well, my favorite interview in a long time Philip absolute pleasure.
Saint Michael Catholic High School in Alabama. He took over
a program that didn't really exist. They just won their
first playoff game last year. Congratulations to you and your
program and they are lucky to have you as a coach.
Speaker 7 (18:51):
Thanks man, Thanks Golling.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
Enjoyed it.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
Philip rivers, great stories. Just a impressive guy like that.
There's a guy like there's a guy that He had
some offensive lines that were a bit dubious. He took
a few hits in his day and was always there.
Two hundred and forty consecutive starts in the regular season.
That is a ton We take a break herd Line
(19:16):
News around the corner.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
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Speaker 1 (19:31):
All Right, Joe Thomas and Philip Rivers. That's always a
good day. J Mack with the news.
Speaker 7 (19:41):
Turn on the news.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
This is the Herd Line News, all right.
Speaker 8 (19:45):
Rams fans Collins are kind of panicking about this Matt
Stafford back situation. Previously, he was labeled week to week,
which that's not good.
Speaker 7 (19:55):
Especially in August.
Speaker 8 (19:56):
But reports today say Stafford is progressing to doing on
field work. He got an epidural in his back a
few weeks ago, and the Rams have tried to give
him time to let his back. Heel on his own,
and that means he's hanging out out and about in
let's say, the South Bay out here in LA. But
(20:18):
I'm of the belief he's going to be fine week one.
This is just an old vet getting a lot of rest.
I would not panic over this backstuff.
Speaker 7 (20:25):
I don't think it's a thing at all. I mean,
they've got.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
You know, he's a guy that took some hits and
he's also and we've noted this, he's the last old
quarterback in the league that will stand in the pocket
to the very end and take a helmet to the teeth.
But what about Osmond, Dude, he has Aaron Rodgers since
I think is twenty twenty two averages fewer big plays
(20:51):
twenty plus plays than Derek Carr. Oh yeah, Aaron is
done getting hit. He will not sit in there. And
by the way, I'd probably be more air than Matt Stafford.
I'm not blaming him, but Matt's gonna stand there and
take a hit to the very end. Tom Brady at
the end was practicing getting sacked. Aaron doesn't want to
get hit. Eli didn't want to get hit, and they're
great quarterbacks. Stafford will get hit, so it punitives those
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hits have added up.
Speaker 8 (21:16):
It is interesting the narrative surrounding these two old players. Here.
Stafford is ascending, wins the Super Bowl, projected to it
a super Bowl no look passes. Meanwhile, Aaron Rodgers has
been an unmitigated disaster since forcing his way out of
Green Bay. Obviously there was the injury, but I'll there
right now Stafford gets back to another Super Bowl, We're
gonna be talking. I guarantee you Super Bowl week. Well,
(21:38):
Stafford had a better career than Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
I've been playing to get that high school college early
pro late pro.
Speaker 7 (21:45):
Stafford's better now.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Now, was there a nine year period in the middle
when Aaron, with a really good organization and always having
good offensive lines, was better than Stafford in Detroit?
Speaker 7 (21:57):
Yes, but this.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
Goes back to something we talked about earlier. If you're great, great,
we'll find you. Sean McVay found a quarterback and a
losing franchise who kept losing and said that is special.
So it's like it's justice, Like this guy deserved finally
to get a great coach.
Speaker 7 (22:15):
He was just too talented.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Tony John Elway was eventually gonna find his magical coach,
and he got it with Shanahan.
Speaker 7 (22:23):
Certainly, let's move on to Drake May.
Speaker 8 (22:25):
The hype continues to build for the second year QB
in New England. He's been getting comparisons to Josh Allen,
the reigning MVP.
Speaker 7 (22:33):
Here's May responding to that compliment.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
He's the MVP.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
I think the comparisons are I got a lot of
work to do, you know, with kind of even give
me in the same you know stratusphere or atmosphere as
Josh so luckily in the division. So we have some
good matchups looking forward to, but really comparisons, I'm just
trying to be myself and hey, at the end of
the day, some people think that that's a lot of
(23:00):
in respect for him, but at.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
The work to do for that.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
Yeah, I think his comp is Herbert, and I think
it's an accurate one.
Speaker 7 (23:05):
I don't think there is a comp for Josh Allen.
Speaker 8 (23:09):
Jacques Allen and Herbert are the two comps essentially.
Speaker 7 (23:13):
No, No, there is no. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
I mean I can see justin Herbert. You can see it,
same size, they move well, you can you can see Herbert.
You can see it in college that there is no.
Speaker 7 (23:24):
Comp for Josh Allen. There's never anything quite like it.
Speaker 8 (23:26):
But what about Dave Craig from your Seattle days, He's
a comp for Josh Allen.
Speaker 4 (23:31):
I'm just kidding.
Speaker 8 (23:32):
But in all honesty, he was really good stood in
the pocket.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
I don't think he was as mobile.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
As Drake Drake's I mean, when you watch Drake right there,
you can see it. I mean, he's got a he's
really talented and he has had nothing to work with. So,
I mean, they've got there. They've got there. It's exciting.
If you're a New England fan. You got your guy, now,
how great will he be? But listen, Chicago's never had
their guy like some of these organizations. I mean Tampa
(23:57):
before Brady. I mean they look forever. The Jets, they're
still looking for another name of thanks. So, I mean
it just when you have Drake Man, it's like, okay,
twelve years, let's just get him protected and get him weapons.
Speaker 7 (24:11):
You've got your guy, all right, Let's wrap up with
a little baseball.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
My Yanks.
Speaker 8 (24:15):
They got an Aaron Judge back last night, but it
did not matter. They lost their fifth straight to zero
defeat against the Rangers.
Speaker 7 (24:23):
Yanks are lost five straight.
Speaker 8 (24:25):
People are panicking. I think it's time to take a
deep breath. Here's Judge talking to the media after the game.
Speaker 10 (24:30):
Oh, I guess I'm worth to do. I know a
lot of things to clean up, but the boys that
are fired up to, you know, change all that and
get things right. And you got a great ball club
in here. So there's a lot of mistakes all around,
you know, some mental mistakes and physical mistakes. But yeah,
you guys are you gotta pick them and we gotta
fix them.
Speaker 8 (24:49):
Now.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
Yeah, they're very They're very I mean, once Garrett Cole's gone,
you lose your a's you become very Aeron Judge reliant.
And he just got back he would he was out
and they didn't play well. They're very home run reliant
and very Aaron Judge reliant. They for all the money
they spent, and I think the Dodgers and the Mets
spend more, I think they're third I think right now
in baseball for all for all the money based spend.
(25:15):
They feel like they have a little bit of an
uneven roster. And I mean they're just very Judge and
home run reliant.
Speaker 8 (25:23):
And all the Dodgers fans here put together this interesting
chart Yankees compared to the arguably worst team in baseball,
the White Sox, since July sixth, So we're looking at
a month of data here. Not great when you're compared
to a historically bad White Sox team. I will just
say the Yanks are gonna be okay. They're still firmly
in the wildcard mix.
Speaker 7 (25:44):
There's like forty five ish games left in the season.
They'll be Everybody goes through these lulls.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
They're gonna be a right maybe the Dodgers was in
about six weeks ago. The Dodgers were tire fire. They
got swept for the Brewers. Yeah, I mean they got
swept by the Brewers.
Speaker 7 (25:59):
They and't score.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
They have injuries. You have one hundred and sixty two games.
I'm sorry to ask players have ultimate urgency. If you
have a couple pitching injuries, you're done right now. The
Yankees have a you know, Aaron Boone the bullpen and
Devin Williams. You know, it's just like if they got
back end issues.
Speaker 7 (26:15):
It's the way it works. Jmack with the news.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by The
herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
The Good Show today, Philip Rivers was hopefully if you
were in your car listening for about twenty five minutes,
he was, He's got great stories. And Joe Thomas came
on earlier today. And you know, you get these days
on the internet. I swear to got between AI and
the tribal nature of political fans.
Speaker 7 (26:43):
Half the time I don't even know.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
And then you got people on the internet that are
pretending they're Adam Schefter. I mean, I don't know what
is true and what's not. So with Cleveland, the video
I've seen, I think Shador Sanders looks better than Dylan
Gabriel now say, well, well you Dylan's getting snaps with
the better players. I will say this, the Browns have
(27:07):
a very weak receiving core. So the difference between the
number two receiver for the Browns and the number four
is probably not that great.
Speaker 7 (27:14):
They're both throwing to just guys.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
But Joe Thomas earlier today on on sort of how
he views the current Browns quarterback pecking order.
Speaker 5 (27:26):
So I think Chadur is ahead of Dylan right now.
Speaker 9 (27:29):
Dylan clearly has some things that he does really well,
obviously his mobility, his ability to get outside the pocket.
But the challenge of being a short quarterback, especially in
the NFL and NFL passing offenses, is that you have
to throw to a spot a lot of times. You
have to build that trust and that understanding of looking
at the structure of the defense knowing where the ball
needs to go. So far, Chadur has, I think, in
(27:49):
my opinion, outplayed Dylan at this point in training camp
because Dylan's had some struggles with accuracy in Shadur although
it's not been great with.
Speaker 5 (27:57):
The procedural side of things.
Speaker 9 (27:59):
When he's up there under the center and he's trying
to make calls and adjustments at the line of scrimmage,
he's getting everybody lined up the snapcount.
Speaker 7 (28:08):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
Of all the voices in Cleveland, that's the one, you know.
And that's not a knock on the other journalists and
all the people. Mary kay Cabot, I know she's been
very optimistic with Shador Sanders. Mary Kay Cabot's excellent. She's
been optimistic. And Joe Thomas is like I like him
better than Dylan Gabriel. That's what I'm gonna trust, and
I'm gonna trust my eyes. He's just a bigger kid
(28:30):
that throws the ball more accurately, more often. I don't
know what he's you know, I don't know lining people up.
Maybe he's not as good at that. I think you
can develop that over time and reps and practice. But
here's Joe Thomas. Also, the other thing I asked him about,
I said, and Joe, I don't know the number. Joe
Thomas must have had forty quarterbacks behind him, at least
(28:53):
twenty five. I mean, there's a different guy every week.
But one of the stories that came out, it's a
team that's the Browns rival the Steelers, and these are
Pittsburgh reporters saying, yeah, this Aaron thing is very dink
and dunk.
Speaker 7 (29:06):
He won't throw the ball down the field.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
And my take is he doesn't trust the offensive line.
He didn't trust the Jets all line, and the Steelers
all line, according to PFF, is worse. And here's Joe
Thomas on older quarterbacks than Aaron Rodgers sometimes going underneath
instead of sitting and waiting the extra beat.
Speaker 9 (29:25):
The young quarterbacks they don't know any better, right. Their
youth is their ignorance, and it serves them well because
they're willing to stand in there and they're willing to
take those hits right in the chops. And I think
that remains to be seen a little bit with Aaron
Rodgers because he's never been a guy that loved being
hit him. He's never been a huge guy, but he's
always had great feet. He's always been able to extend
the play get out of the pocket with his athleticism,
(29:46):
and we really didn't see that with the Jets and
so far coming out of the Steelers' training camp.
Speaker 5 (29:50):
There's been some conversation about him not really showing.
Speaker 11 (29:53):
Great mobility, not showing an ability to escape the pocket,
escape the rush, and that comes into question then about
how much is he willing to be able to just
stand in there and extend the play if you can't
do it with his feet anymore, and he's not willing
to take the hits.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Yeah, And that's why I've said is I said this
two or three days ago, and I read multiple stories
out of the Steelers. I think it's going to look
like a more polished, better coach version of the Jets.
Aaron didn't want to take the hits, and I don't
blame him. Brady didn't, Peyton didn't, Eli didn't, Aaron doesn't.
Stafford's an outlier. He'll sit in there to the very end.
(30:28):
Philip Rivers took some shots. Big Ben took way too
many shots. In my opinion, big Ben would hold the
ball later in his career, say bro get out of there.
But I mean, when you watch this video, you know
you can watch his movement.
Speaker 7 (30:42):
He doesn't look like twenty six year old Aaron.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
He doesn't.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
He's an older guy. So and since twenty twenty two.
The staff put it here. The last season in Green Bay,
Aaron's got fewer what they call big pass plays twenty
plus yards than Derek Carr. And that's It's not that
Aaron can't throw it deep. It's just not going to
sit in the pocket and take shots.
Speaker 7 (31:01):
Now.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
I think if he played with the Lions or the
Eagles and their own lines, those numbers would all change.
It's not his lack of ability Aaron still tents hits.
His lack of willingness to get hammered. He got no
interest in that stuff.
Speaker 7 (31:15):
All right, we're done. We are done. I think we
fulfilled our obligation for three hours.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
You know what,
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