August 8, 2025 • 43 mins
Doug gives the real reason why he feels Arch Manning will stay 2 more years at Texas
He talks to Fox Sports NFL & CFB Analyst Geoff Schwartz about the Browns QB situation, Shedeur Sanders debut tonight, what teams do during the preseason, what the Colts should do with Anthony Richardson, and more
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Speaker 4 (00:27):
Welcome in. This is The Herd. Whoever you may be listening,
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Thanks so much. I'm Doug Dolland in for Colin Cowherd
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In this case, you stuck with me. It's a Friday.
I hope you're joining the summer college kids moving in. Yeah,
(00:51):
I did this on my show yesterday. Now music, you
went to north Ridge, right, yes, sir? What was your call? Tilley?
What was your college drop off?
Speaker 5 (01:00):
Like? What do you mean drop off?
Speaker 4 (01:03):
Well, like now you know when when my daughters when
when we put them in college, you know, like last year,
like well you gotta go and you set up the
dorm room and you oh.
Speaker 5 (01:13):
Oh sorry, I got so like I went to it
was a blade, just dropped me off of the dorm
and then unload me and then they leave.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
Where was the dorm?
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Uh?
Speaker 5 (01:25):
It was at Texas State in San Marcos.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
Yeah, that was back when it was Southwest Texas State.
Let's just be honest.
Speaker 5 (01:32):
No, no, no, no, no, no, dougger. I got two diplomas, Okay,
I got Southwest Texas State, and then they changed it
and I got a new diploma, says Texas State.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
But I'm saying when you were dropped off in San Marcos.
Speaker 5 (01:43):
Texas, correct, it was Southwest Texas State.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
It was Southwest Texas State. Yeah, bobcats. They got the
big wall behind the one of the baskets, the weird
shaped gym. I've actually played there.
Speaker 5 (01:53):
You've been there?
Speaker 4 (01:54):
Yeah, when my first year after playing in college. Okay,
So I played in the USBL number one pick overall
in the USBO. Then I played in the NBA Summer
League in Lombech State. Then I was supposed to play
for a team that trained in Italy but played in Russia.
I was going to play as an Israeli. I know,
(02:16):
it's a lot. Didn't get my passport because you had
to live in Israel for a year to get your passport,
came back, was in the CBA and beat out thirteen
guys and got cut day before the first game. So
I played with three different touring teams. Remember college basketball
used to be able to play these touring teams in
an non comfort in the preseason, right, EA sports there
(02:37):
used to be. First there was Marathon Oil and Athletes
in Action and whatever, and then then it became EA Sports,
which was the Pump Brothers. They had all these teams
that played. So I played for athletes. First was at
Oklahoma and Texas based Christian organization and we played. I played.
(02:57):
My dad had a team we played and beat like
San Diego State and Wichita State and Marshall a couple
of teams. I played like eight games with him. Then
I played seven games with this team in Texas and Oklahoma.
I'll never forget. Like we got in a we got
in a bunch of cars and drove down to San
Marcos and played, and then we played SMU the next night.
(03:18):
Then we played Texas Tech, and then I think we
I think we came back and played TCU. I don't remember,
but yeah, so I played Sam that's wild.
Speaker 5 (03:26):
Do you remember Jeff Foster? Yeah, of course, yeah, he so.
I in the my second year, I was in the
athletic dorms and he was my next door neighbor in
the dorms.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
There you go. So, so, how far did you grow
up from San Marcos?
Speaker 5 (03:40):
I mean I grew up in Austin, so like a
half an hour.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
Okay, so it's it wasn't that big a thing. But
when your parents took you and dropped you off, was
it like at the curb they come up, did your
mom jush up your room?
Speaker 6 (03:50):
Like?
Speaker 4 (03:50):
What what? What? What happened?
Speaker 5 (03:51):
Oh? It was like drop me off, helped me unload,
and then I told him to leave.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
I think that maybe a guy the music we got
north Ridge, now north Ridge can't you can do? Did
you commute or would? Did you live on campus?
Speaker 6 (04:03):
No? I lived on campus, and it was much the same,
kind of like all right, dropping you off, here's your stuff,
We're gonna kind of do this.
Speaker 5 (04:11):
Yep, have a gay.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
I went to Notre Dame. I got on a plane.
My dad had a former player who was a stock
trader in on the exchange in Chicago. He picked me
up and I stayed with him. In his house. He
actually took me to the Stock Exchange one day and
then he drove me to South Bend and then was
like bye bye and that was it. And then Oklahoma State.
I drove myself to Oklahoma State and same same thing.
But so I think it's part of it is it's
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a girl thing, you know, if you have girls, very
very different, especially for the mom, super emotional. But some
of it's guys as well, Like we we become so
like clingy as parents with their drop offs, like say
yah bah. But there's a lot of people going through
the the drop off blues today, drop off blues. I
(04:58):
think it's actually more than people feel old, Like when
your kid's not in your house, you're like, my kids
are in college. I feel old and what do I do?
What I got now? Now I got to figure out
my own sporting events to go to and a guy,
I gotta find my own friends. Maybe that's it. Speaking
of college. So Arch Manning said to be the quarterback
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of Texas. Texas right, and they take out Ohio State
first game of the year in the shoe and Arch Manning,
Archie Manning, who's the grandfather to Arch Manning, came out
and said, hey, look, he's not gonna be in the
draft this year. He's gonna be a Texas in next year.
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Last hour, we had Josh Payton. If you know college football,
you probably know Josh Pate's got his own college football show.
His stock continues to go up, up, up and up.
I asked Josh about the idea that arch would stay
in Texas, not just for this season but for the
next one.
Speaker 7 (05:59):
That's been the talk around him since he got there.
If I don't buy it, it's just me calling him
a baldface liar, and I don't think they are now.
He could just explode this year and be projected number
one overall, and of course you got a choice to
make at that point. I am not applying those kind
of expectations to him.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
Now.
Speaker 7 (06:15):
This is, you know me personally, the market is, the
odds boards are I'm not. I am expecting him to
be good to really good, with flashes of elite, and
if he delivers anything above and beyond that, so be it.
But I do want to take a step back. I mean,
it's very obvious nothing around him is conventional. Archie Manny
talking about that, chief among them, his thought process in
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the way he gets to handle himself because of what
his last name is, chief among him. But when is
the last time that we had known a kid for
over half a decade? People have been talking about this
dude over half a decade, like fully formed opinions, and
we hadn't even seen him be listed as the number
one quarterback of Texas yet. So you want to talk
about expectations, think about how many hard boiled expectations and
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thoughts and opinions people have of him without ever seeing
him play entire six game stretches of a season before.
I don't know that we've ever really seen that dynamic
with anyone. And I guess it would have to be
a famous last name for a kid who have even
mattered as a sophomore in high school.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Like you did.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
I mean, look, we talked a little bit about Tim
Tebow mattering, so there's a lot of pressure. I don't
think this is to take any of the pressure off him.
I just don't. I I just don't like if we
were to, if we were to just kind of throw
out our favorite quarterbacks from the last fifteen years twenty
(07:40):
years in the NFL, what would they have in common? Right?
I ask I ask you music, I asked you too.
E throw out a quarterback like Philip Rivers. I think
I remember starting like fifty five games in college. Peyton Manning,
Eli Manning, they all played. They played their senior year,
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you know, Bo Nicks five years of college. Michael pennockx
Joe Burrow didn't start a ton, but he did start
that second full season with LSU after sitting mostly because
of injuries, some because he was buried. Again. It's not
the end all be all, but go through the list
of the best quarterbacks, and most all of them started
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two years fully.
Speaker 5 (08:26):
Doug, I'm going to give you one, and he had
a couple of stops. He was a number one overall
pick and he really only played one year.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
Kyler Murray, Yeah, yeah, And and I would also say
that Kyler part of the part of part of the
stuff that that held him back early was that, you know,
he didn't really know how to be a pro. I
think some of that has been On the other hand, Mike, look,
(08:56):
Baker Mayfield, it's had a great resurgence, all right. Baker
Mayfield started attack, you know, and then they're bringing in
Pat Mahomes. So he left went to Oklahoma started Oklahoma
for a couple of years. Yeah, listen, there's we don't
deal with a world of absolutes. Yeah, we don't deal
with the world you could make. The first thing with
Kyler Murray should be pointed out was he was in
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a different position to anybody because he had he had
the leverage of baseball. Now that doesn't mean that it
was the right decision. It ends up being the right
decision for him at the time. But this is playing
the numbers. That's all it is. It's playing the numbers,
all right, give me, give me another one, like kind
of go through it. Obviously, Aaron Rodgers is gonna be
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a first Powell Hall of Famer. He didn't start four years,
but he did junior college and then there was cal
and then he came out and then he sat and waited.
The difference also now is that you know, we talked
to Mark Dominic. Most guys get a year and a half.
They don't care if you're a year and a half
comes from after you start one year or after you
start three. They don't care. We're judging you baseball what
you can do in that first year and a half,
(10:02):
whether or not they're gonna stand by you and you're
gonna be their quarterback and eventually extend you, like we
can actually do this. This this is It seems like
a long process, but it's not. Go through the quarterbacks
in the NFL and they'd be like, wow, that that
actually is kind of a real thing. I don't think
(10:24):
it's about It's not about money for them because they
have plenty of money. Just isn't right. Lamar three years
as a starter, you know, justin Herbert, he stayed an
extra year. We talked about Nicks. Okay, Mahomes was a
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three year starter. I want to say at Tech, at Tech,
like the numbers are are kind of there for you obviously,
you know. Jalen Hurts, the guy started Alabama and lost
his job, then went and started in Oklahoma. Dak Prescott
four year starter.
Speaker 5 (11:04):
Doug Mahomes was three years. Also, another guy we've talked
about today, who's I mean, he's had issues and injuries.
Anthony Richardson really only had one year at Florida, and
we see kind of where he's at.
Speaker 4 (11:15):
Sure too much too soon. Then they throw you in
there they expect you to play, Like wow, he really
isn't that refined? Yeah, he barely played in college. Needs time,
needs time. Jane Daniels. Right when he left Arizona State,
those guys were cleaning out his locker for him. He
goes to LSU and wins the Heisman Trophy, and I
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mean that's pretty impressive. Been really impressive. So I mean, look,
Jordan Love is different. Jordan Love is the only guy
who's the first round pick who sat. And the thing
working against Jordan Love. And one of the reasons that
he gets a little bit of a grace period even
now with his third full season starter is he barely
started in college two years. One year was good, one
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year was eh. Different coaches, but Michael Pennix gon I
go through the list and you're like, wow, you know
what might be honest something it's not me. This is
if you don't need the money and you have people
who believe in you, and they've yeah, I got two
uncles that have done it and stayed the extra year.
And your grandpa's like, you're staying, this is what's best
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for you. Then he's staying, it's not really that where
the kids say it's not that deep. It's not that deep.
So I again, I it sounds groundbreaking because all those
guys eventually, they all want to be NFL quarterbacks. But
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you don't have to sprint to something, walk to it.
Make sure you're ready for it if you're arch manning on.
Doug Gottlieb, this is the Herd. To come up next,
We're gonna see Shador Sanders tonight. What should we expect
from the Browns rookie we'll discuss next.
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I'm Doug Gotlieb filling in for Colm my good friend
Jeff Schwartz's wedding, so let's bring him on. Let's talk
some football, as schwartzey. Obviously, I do want to talk
a little college with you, but let's start pros. Shador
(14:20):
Sanders gonna get the start tonight for the Browns. Brown's
not starting their starters, but some twos and threes in there.
What's reasonable expectations for tonight?
Speaker 3 (14:32):
So the way I look at the preseason is I
look at it by It's a little bit eye testing,
but it's like does it look like it should right? So,
so even though there's a fifth round pick, I think
we all agree. You know, he's a talented player and
probably doesn't go in the fifth round if it was
just on film alone. And so when he's playing tonight
against the Panthers backups, I think the Panthers actually might
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play some starters early on. But let's say it is
the backups, right, does he look like a player who's
going to be a starter, possibly in the NFL playing
backups right? Like last night? It's a great example. The
Bengals first team offense played two drives at the Eagles backups.
They scored easily on two straight drives. That looks like
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it should right. So for me, it's for Santa side
like doesn't look like it should enough. Of course, he's
a rookie. He's playing with maybe guys he hasn't practiced
much with. I mean, there could be some awkwardness to
some of the plays being made. I just want to
see his composure. I want to see how he does
the line of scoomage. I want to see just his
general you know, does he look nervous, he looked anxious?
How's he is he making the right decision and things
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like that, and so that to me is what I
look for. Doesn't does it look like it should? He
should play well against backups. I think he's good enough
to do that in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (15:48):
Yeah, so it's just play well. I mean, like you
know there. I think what happens is people look for
like one throw like oh, there it is, but really,
like his skill is he's just really accurate, right, He's
accurate and he's confident back they hold it a little
bit long.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
I think just like, does it does? Is there a
flow to his game? He might't like complete every pass,
but does the ball go we're supposed to go? I
mean last night we saw with the Colts where Richardson
didn't even know the protection, just zero clue what was
happening in front of him. I'm not so concerned about
whether or not the wide receivers cast the ball tonight
or whether you know that. It's just like, okay, is
this guy open, I'm throwing the ball at? Is that?
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Is that the right decision to make if they give him,
you know, an opportunity to change the protection. Is he
changed the protection on time? So I'm not even looking
at like overall he completes this many passes for for
this many yards, for this many touchdowns. I just want
to see his sort of operation in the back of that.
I pushed back on people that they claim that the
Brows are setting him up for failure. No they're not.
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This is what the preseason is. You play with different guys,
you might practice with a different team, and then you
get playing the game with someone else, Like that's what
this what it is, you're you have to adapt to
just and I know Standard doesn't feel bad for himself
as he's playing tonight. He's excited for the opportunity.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
Anthony Richardson just doesn't doesn't see the field, doesn't see
a blitz, dislocates a pinky finger. Where are you on
how much opportunity of the coach should give him heading
into the season.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
So they drafted a player who we all we all
agreed needed reps. That was the number one thing he needed.
He needed reps, reps, reps. Heared about a thousand thousand
college reps, reps reps. And the year one he gets hurt. Okay,
that happens. And then last season, stead of giving him
the reps, they panicked brought in Flacco, benched him, kind
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of messed around with his with his playing time, so
he hasn't even developed yet. And now in year three,
when you expect things to happen on the field. He
hasn't had the opportunity to really have enough reps, I
think to get it right now. Last night's error not
knowing where the pressure was coming from is a day
one install problem. So you know, you could say, hey,
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he needs more refs, but also knowledge that it's not
going well anyways. Right like last night was as simple
as it comes. He's got to know what to do
on that play and he can't let himself get hit
like that. He can't miss that just it's unacceptable in
your three to have that issue. And so I need
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a culture in a really tough position because Chase Second
wants to win, and I'm not sure that Daniel Jones
is gonna win at the level that they need to
keep jobs. But he'll be more efficient than Richardson has
of now, the upside won't be there quite the same.
Transprission is a great athlete and great you can throw
the ball hard and far and whatnot. It's not always actor,
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which is a problem again. So I mean, I would
understand if the Colts decided to just go with Jones
because he won't make mental mistakes, he won't get hit
like he'd like like like last night, he won't make
the staff look or because they don't look like they're
preparing their quarterback. And that being said, Richard dugny reps again,
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how do you justify playing him if he doesn't know
basic protections?
Speaker 4 (19:12):
I don't know, And then he did. He's not accurate
when he does when he does actually throw the football,
So I don't I don't know. I don't know. I
just by playing him and I just don't.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
You you're really doing. But this goes back by the
way to gain to the Coult not having a plan
the players should have been last season. We give Richards
in every single rep that's available to him the entire season.
It's gonna be ups and downs. But we got hurt
if he's ready. No, he got hurt last year he was.
He got benched by Flaco. Originally you got hurt.
Speaker 4 (19:44):
I think it's no, I think he got no. I
think he got hurt.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
You know last last year five games?
Speaker 4 (19:53):
Yeah, yeah, some of it was he got benched because
of what he said, but some of it was he
got benched because he was also he was also hurt.
And then Joe Blacko was actually pretty pretty good this
is the hurt. That's the voice of Jeff Schwartz. It's interesting,
you know he needs reps. Isn't that the reason that
Marx Manning will stay at Texas not just this year
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but in next year.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
Yeah, I love the decision, man. I think he could
never go wrong with more with more reps in college
to be ready to play at that position. And you
know his his obviously his relatives stayed all four years
in college. And look, let's be honest, he's getting paid
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multiple millions of dollars sustain and play college football. If
it was if he was making zero dollars, the decision
I think is a lot different, probably, And there's a
discussion about Okay, do I you know, do I four
go a year experience? Uh to start making money. But
he's making good money now to stay in college. And
so I'm not surprised to this news. Anyone who had
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followed this story. Now you need to have someone released
a mock draft or talked about everyone said Arch is
not coming out early, and then I'm glad they sort
of confirmed in the last couple of days. So good
for him. There's no rush. There's no rush. Again, if
this was pre nil, you weren't making money. Yeah, I'd
agree maybe there's a rush, but right now you're making
money in Texas, you're enjoying yourself in college. There's no
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rushing at the NFL.
Speaker 4 (21:20):
I got I be honest. I think with other guys,
maybe the money is an issue. Was an issue for
his uncles, not an issue for him. And the money
is always going to be there. It is made easier
when you're already making money. I don't think that's that's
far down the list in terms of importance. It's the
you're going to get an opportunity early, can you take
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advantage of it? NFC North's the most interesting quarterback division, right,
Caleb Williams, how much better can he be with Ben Johnson?
You know Jordan Love there's a lot of good there,
but the turnovers and he got hurt last year, right,
and then JJ McCarthy and even what Jared Goff looks
like without Ben Johnson. Let me start with Kayleb Williams.
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Sort of an uneven preseason so far. But most of
this is we're taking people's word for it. They go
to scrimmages or whatever. What do you need to see
out of Kleb Williams this season.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
I think we need to see him get better every
quarter of the season, right, so quarter two is better
than quarter one, quarter three better than quarter two, and
then by the end of the season lasts you know,
four weeks, five weeks, obviously one extra week in the quarter.
Now he's playing at a level that they've determined, you're
our franchise quarterback, like that has to be done by
this season. They've given him the opportunities with the improved
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offensive line, improve play caller that have weapons. They've given
him all the opportunity just personnel wise, to make it
happen now. And it's okay to start slowing a new offense.
That's totally normal, you know, That's what happens often with
a new OC I don't you know. Camp struggles are
what they are. I would like to see more positive
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ports about what's happening. Can't. But again, there's installed days,
and there's things you're working on, and and you know,
him and coach might be working on one thing one day,
we don't we don't know about it, and it looks
bad on film, but that's actually what they're trying to
work on that day. So I'm not going to judge
him too much on the practice, but I think by
the end of the season he's got to be, you know,
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a quarterback that the Bears say, this is our long
term anager. Otherwise they might look elsewhere, right, I mean,
I think it's not out of the question that Ben
Johnson if it doesn't work with Caleb Williams, just says
to Ryan Poles like I can't do this with him.
I gotta find someone else.
Speaker 4 (23:36):
Agreed. Agreed. Last one, You Organ ducks a lot of
money in that program. What are your thoughts?
Speaker 3 (23:46):
We Organ spends money on players. This is news to me.
I had no idea. I h. I'm excited to uh
to see. Look, we have a lot of new parts
this year. Some of the those are portal players that
are really good.
Speaker 5 (24:02):
You know.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
We had a tackling guard that will probably be close
to first round picks. That's safety. They will be a
first round pick most likely a good running back. But
there's a lot of youth in some some positions. I'm
curious to see.
Speaker 4 (24:13):
You know.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
Landing is now entering his fourth season. This is his
first his third year of recruit US you know as
mature recruiting class is this year So there's a lot
of guys defensive line, linebacker, uh that have been wide
receiver and been waiting their turn to play, and now
it's their time to play. But this is what I
think builds a program, right, and then portal is nice
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for for a couple of years, but eventually those high
school kids that you've developed for this is their third
year for a lot of these defensive tackles and linebackers
that are getting a chance to play this year. So
I'm very curious to watch those guys early in the season.
It's a it's a decent schedule, so we should start
faster and go to Penn State week five. That's what
I'm excited for is the youth. Right, We've gone portal heavy,
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you know for a couple of years, which is what
everyone does it. He just sort of knocked it down
last year and they're gonna play these young guys now.
So I'm looking forward to seeing all those guys are about.
But the talent is there. It's a matter of execution
and can you do it On Saturdays.
Speaker 4 (25:10):
He's one of only Jeff Schwartz. May the Schwartz be
with you, Jeff, talk to you soon, but thank you here.
Thanks for having everybody, all right, that's my guy. Jeff Schwartz,
awesome dude, longtime pro the National Football League and of
course Fox Sports, NFL and college football. An let's get
to Ryan Music with the news.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
No, no turn, this is the headline news, all right, Doug.
Speaker 5 (25:35):
Jackson Dart, that's right.
Speaker 6 (25:38):
The Giants first round pick quarterback out of Ole Miss
will make his NFL debut against the Bills tomorrow. Not
necessarily sure if he's gonna start, you know, sort of.
The messaging from Brian day Ball is that, like a
Russell Wilson maleak neighbors, some of those verified starters heading
into Week one are probably not going to see the field.
(26:01):
So we don't know if Jackson Dart's literally going to
start this game or if jameis Winston. So that remains
to be seen. But he will get some action, we
know that much. Here's what he said about it quote,
I'm just stokes for the opportunity. I hope I can
get every situation, go in, get reps, be on stage,
do it at a high level. I'm excited for this.
It's a dream of mine since I was a kid.
Jackson Dart, Doug, if I set the over under at
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four four and a half starts.
Speaker 5 (26:28):
This season over under.
Speaker 4 (26:35):
Over.
Speaker 6 (26:36):
Wow, So you think he's gonna get he's gonna start
a substantial amount of games.
Speaker 4 (26:40):
Then who's the starting quarterback?
Speaker 5 (26:42):
Well, Russell Wilson of course.
Speaker 4 (26:44):
Okay, how many What's happened in the past couple of years? Right,
Like again, I could be it's not me. Okay, I
don't know, but Sean Payton was like, I'm done. Pittsburgs
hears like yeah, next, we would rather wait six months
on Aaron Rodgers, who we have no idea if he
(27:05):
still got it as opposed to that guy. So yeah,
I just I don't see it.
Speaker 5 (27:12):
Greg too broken with the truly believe that Brian Davill,
who's trying to keep his job, would not get Jackson
darting there sooner than later if it goes off the
rails early.
Speaker 4 (27:24):
Oh again, I yeah, I think he gets them in
there as soon as possible, because at the end of
the day, you can go like, hey, look I got
a young guy here. You know, I got a young quarterback.
Speaker 5 (27:32):
We got Rooie all right, So looking at their sting,
we all do we all do it?
Speaker 4 (27:37):
Right? Like I mean, I didn't do it intentionally, but
the end of the year. Last year, I'm starting for
a freshmen and a sophomore. Six teams our league didn't
play a freshman a minute, right, Like, it starts to
go bad.
Speaker 6 (27:47):
I mean, it's it's pretty brutal for the Giants, who
are already coming off of what was a bad year.
They have Washington, Dallas Chiefs, Chargers, Saints, Eagles, Broncos, Eagles, Niners.
So I mean those first nine weeks, you know, the
Saints and then whatever you think of the Cowboys. But
(28:09):
outside of that, those are all playoff teams and elite
level playoff teams from last season.
Speaker 4 (28:16):
Yeah, I mean, we don't know, we don't, but yes,
I mean on paper, the Eagles are gonna be.
Speaker 6 (28:20):
Good, then the Chiefs are probably gonna be at least good,
Chiefs at.
Speaker 5 (28:25):
The very least good, at least good Denver.
Speaker 6 (28:30):
I know a lot of people are divided based off
of the schedule that they played last year, but I
think the expectation for most people is that they will
have a very good defense. Yeah yeah, so so you're
you're you're not wrong.
Speaker 5 (28:44):
Bye.
Speaker 6 (28:44):
By the week nine, week ten, if things are looking south,
we could probably get a second.
Speaker 4 (28:49):
Seventeen games now to remember, like, I did get an
extra game?
Speaker 5 (28:53):
Yeah he did, Yeah, he did, all right.
Speaker 6 (28:55):
Sticking with the NFL, the Bengals in preseason action against
the Eagles offense looks sharp. You and Jeff Schortz chop
this up a little bit. Joe Burrow completing nine out
of ten passes two touchdowns. Now, look, no surprise that
Burrow would light it up in the preseason. But there's
two parts to this. Do you think getting these reps
(29:17):
in the preseason will have a positive impact for the
Bengals who have just been awful in September to start
the season with Burrow and head coach Zach Taylor.
Speaker 4 (29:27):
I mean you actually answered the question before you let
me answer the question. Is it doesn't matter. They couldn't
have been any worse the whole way. Okay, why not
try charge this one? Right?
Speaker 5 (29:37):
Sure?
Speaker 4 (29:38):
Sure, It's like we've been bad, We've given away games
to inferior teams, and at the end of the year
we've come back going like damn, I wish we were better.
So they're like, all right, what if we play our
guys really, they get sharp and maybe we steal a
win here there That we couldn't in the past. I mean,
the big thing with them was their defense was just
a joke last year.
Speaker 6 (29:55):
Right, And that sort of leads us to part number
two that I had mentioned, which is, again, it's all preseason,
and you know you're not all you're not playing all
your starters, whatever. But let it be known that against
the Eagles backups, the Bengals gave up thirty four points
and the defense did not look to put up anything
of substantial improvement over last year. So not not a
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great showing for a team that's looking to try and
correct course there on missing out on the playoffs despite
Joe Burrow leading the league in basically every major passing
category last season.
Speaker 4 (30:34):
Sure.
Speaker 6 (30:35):
Sure, And finally we wrap up with this Doug the
forty nine ers it's was a bounce back season, or
they're hoping for it to be about bounce back season
after missing the playoffs and struggling with injuries in twenty
twenty four.
Speaker 5 (30:50):
Well, here's the problem.
Speaker 6 (30:51):
It appears that injury bug maybe hasn't quite moved out
of San Francisco yet. Their general manager, John Lynch, he says,
doesn't necessarily expect wide receiver Brandon I used to be
ready for Week one of the season. He also said
they currently don't have any timetable for return for their
other wide receiver, Juwan Jennings, who has a CAF injury.
(31:13):
So already some injury issues facing the forty nine ers
after last year's struggles that they had. Obviously, we hope
Christian McCaffrey stays healthy. He was banged up basically all season.
But some wide receiver injuries a problem.
Speaker 5 (31:29):
For the forty niners.
Speaker 4 (31:30):
Yeah, yeah, I mean think, think about what's going wrong
for them, And of course now you have a quarterback
who has a gigantic contract, and so eventually the overall
surrounding talent won't be as good. That's Ryan Music with
the news.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
Heard Line News.
Speaker 4 (31:53):
I'm sure you've probably heard by now. You've heard by
now that that Diana Trossi has some interesting things to say.
I want to get to that Chick fil A is
dropping a new chicken sandwich. The all new pretzel cheddar
Club Sandwich will be on menus beginning August eighteenth. August eighteenth,
(32:15):
Why are you guys not happy about this? I got
a note that that that YouTube music you and two
you're not happy about the sandwich TRP.
Speaker 5 (32:26):
No, I mean we were talking about it, and honestly,
like it's kind of like in and out Chick fil A.
It's like they do a couple of things really well
and they don't need to deviate from the plan.
Speaker 6 (32:35):
With you with the way it is every time you've
had every time you've had chick Have you ever gone
I'm looking for this to be different or are you
just completely and thoroughly satisfied with exactly what you just got?
Speaker 4 (32:47):
Well, first of all, if you're watching on YouTube, you'll
see I have like four or of these I can get, yeah,
free sandwich or nugs. Whenever I got four of these
I just got when I went to work today was
in my my my mailbox, which is great. I love
that it's not in and out though it's not okay,
(33:08):
in and out is burger cheeseburger or double cheeseburger three
by three whatever, you know? So what's different about this?
They put it on a pretzel bun, right, that's reference.
Speaker 5 (33:19):
And I like a pretzel bun.
Speaker 6 (33:20):
But have you ever gone to Chick fil A and
been like, man, this sandwich needs work, Like they need
to change some stuff up.
Speaker 4 (33:25):
Nor do I ever go like, you know, if the
bun was.
Speaker 5 (33:28):
Better exactly one hundred percent, So what are we doing here?
Speaker 4 (33:33):
Yeah we are, but that's kind of what we do
as a society. Well, like I know it's perfect, but
we're gonna make it more right.
Speaker 6 (33:39):
But Chick fil A has already put their steak in
the ground that they don't bend to the whims of
those type of pressures, like they're like, dude, we are
not open on Sunday right period, that's it. And so
now they're starting to make tweaks to the menu, Like
I I don't get it.
Speaker 4 (33:54):
They need tweaks that the tweaks have been They've had
some tweaks ongoing. This is the first bread tweak I
can remember. But they had the hot honey. Did they
have a hot honey there?
Speaker 6 (34:04):
I don't think they don't know if they don't. They
have the various sauces which they've always had.
Speaker 4 (34:08):
Yeah, I think they've had a hot honey one. There's
they did, No, there's one. It's actually it was really good.
I had it early the summer, late in the spring.
I'm freaking good.
Speaker 5 (34:19):
So but there there, but there here's here's here's perfect.
Speaker 4 (34:24):
I don't so I don't they are so I don't.
There's there's not a ton of benefit. Like when you're
a head coach, I do I get my own room
on the road. That's amazing, that's awesome, right, And these
other guys you come downstairs, You're like, why are you
guys all grumpy? Like he snores, he's got a c
pat machine, he watches TV like way too loud at night,
(34:45):
Like they're all I was like, dude, I slept great
last night. I don't know what's up with you guys.
But I don't get the the The director of OPS
usually gets the hotel rewards points for the group.
Speaker 5 (34:57):
That's that's the money.
Speaker 4 (34:59):
One that's a that's an internationally known or nationally known
like the opsky gets to usually go use Marriott Miles
or whatever on a vacation just because that's like the
one benefit to it. It's usually Lois Bay guy on
the coaching Total pol. The one that I get is
because you know, we do there's a lot of buses
(35:20):
involved in at our level something or sometimes it's just
we land and we got to get something to equick,
so we do we do Chipotle or chick and I
get the points, so like cht, it's it's been a
Chipotle summer. Man. I'm just it's been good on all points.
It's the only plays I can save a little cash
there is on those Chipotle points.
Speaker 6 (35:40):
In today's day and age, Doug, there are very few
things that are sacred and maintained morality, and Chick fil
A was one of our tenants and they are starting
to peer off.
Speaker 5 (35:52):
Course, there's no need like you you go for the
spicy chicken.
Speaker 4 (35:55):
We didn't need to coke. So what you said we
didn't need.
Speaker 5 (35:57):
To, No, we absolutely did not. They mixed in and
off of fries. If you want a sweet tea cool
and if you're hungry for dessert, get an ice cream cone,
which is awesome too.
Speaker 4 (36:07):
Can I vent it just for one second as the
they call it a sun Joy, right, it's the Arnold Palmer.
I guess they call it Sunjoy because you can't call
it Arnod Palmer right anyway? Can we please stop when
you go to a restaurant and I understand I've lived
in the Southwest or part of the South whatever, Just
Arnold Palmer's don't have vodka. That's a John day and
(36:27):
they don't have sweet tea. You know, they just don't. Sorry,
I'll tell you we're not hot.
Speaker 5 (36:39):
We're not happy.
Speaker 4 (36:40):
You're not happy. Not happy. Coming up next, I don't
think I don't think Dina Trosti knows what the WNBA
has mirrored as a business model for twenty five years.
I'll explain it next.
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and subscribe U By now, I think most people have
heard the Diana Tarasi sound. Right. Did Colin comment on
it or did he just stay away from it? I
don't remember, I do. I listened to Colin show every
day as I'm prepping for my show or as we're
(38:13):
having huh we did not. Yeah, So Diana Tarazi in
there's a new Amazon show or Amazon series if you will,
on the WNBA, and she talks about how she was
the best player in the world and in order to
make money she had to go to a communist country
(38:36):
and that back home she was making less than the janitor. Now,
I understand we all overstate things, right, I mean all
of our parents for years said, you know, back when
I was a kid, we used to walk barefoot to
school uphill both ways. Right, and so let's not even
(38:59):
get caught in the Hey, she was making like eighty
seven grand for three months, that's not exactly janitor money.
And oh yeah, by the way, in a fledgling league
when it was still kind of growing in the early stages,
maybe even before her. Obviously the women weren't weren't well compensated,
and the league had to kind of figure out how
(39:19):
to move out of the big NBA arenas into small arenas,
how to figure out ownership. There's there's lots of things.
Let's let's completely forget the fact that Russia is not
a communist country. Has it been a communist country since
the eighties early nineties? Paristroika crack a book. I get
it she was saying things for effect. But how does
(39:41):
it land on you? I'll tell you how it lands
on me. And and this is obviously it feels like jealousy.
And we have now we do have this from all
athletes that look at what athletes today make and they're like, well,
I would have made this. I mean we have in
college sports. How much would you guys in college sports
talking about all the time, what would you have made it?
(40:02):
Inn il, if you were on the market today, we
all do it. The difference is it's it's like venomous.
And I think the big part is that there's this
assumption that and and it's it's it's a real assumption.
Matt's actually no, an assumption, it's a we know this
is it. We know because we were women, we were
(40:25):
paid less. When the reality is that the NBA has
been around for one hundred years, it's it's mind blowing
that no one has sat there and gone like, hey,
you know when the until the eighties, many NBA players
had jobs in the offseason. You go back to the forties, fifties, sixties, seventies,
(40:51):
guys would have jobs in the offseason. Why because they
didn't make any money? Why because this just wasn't money.
Was like the league was keeping all the money. In
nineteen eighty one nineteen eight one, my dad was at university,
was Consin Milwaukee's head coach. They went to Division III.
He took the year off and then eventually went to
Lombie State. During that year off, my grandpa was a
(41:13):
car dealer on Long Island, but he was an accountant
who took over the car dealership. That's how so my
dad got the one. The new Jersey nets were for
sale for one million dollars and my grandpa every the accountant,
looked at the books and said, this is a terrible investment.
No thanks, now one million dollars then is you know
(41:38):
a couple hundred million dollars now, but still it's the
idea it was a bad investment. So Diane Trussey has
no idea the history of the NBA and the truth
is that a fledgeling league is just like any other
fledgling business. Eighty five percent of businesses closed their doors
within the first couple of years. It wasn't like owners
(42:01):
were getting rich and sneezing with one hundred dollars bills,
like what world were they living in? But a lack
of knowledge of who they were and what they are now,
and this gift that they've been given with the rise
of stardom by Caitlin Clark is just We're going to
look back in twenty five years and I don't know
(42:23):
what happens to the WNBA. I don't It feels like
they're walking into the same traps as every other professional
sports league that gets some stardom. The NHL, when Wayne
Gretzky came to La over expand and then all of
a sudden, you have to kind of backtrack and regroup.
And the NHL's in a good place now, but it
(42:44):
wasn't always that way. The NBA's in a good place
wasn't always that way.
Speaker 3 (42:49):
It was not.
Speaker 4 (42:51):
Heck, even the NFL go back into the early nineties
not always a great place. You hear those words in
the venom behind it, and it's not exactly making you likable.
And the weird part about it is when usually when
superstars get done playing, she is a superstar. There's no
doubt about her. She's arguably or maybe inarguably the greatest
(43:13):
player of all time. Usually they soften over times. All right,
Shador Sanders tonight. I'm sure Colin will have comments. So
I check out the Doug Gottlieb show. It follows this show.
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In this case, you stuck with me. It's a Friday.
I hope you're joining the summer college kids moving in. Yeah,
(00:51):
I did this on my show yesterday. Now music, you
went to north Ridge, right, yes, sir? What was your call? Tilley?
What was your college drop off?
Speaker 5 (01:00):
Like? What do you mean drop off?
Speaker 4 (01:03):
Well, like now you know when when my daughters when
when we put them in college, you know, like last year,
like well you gotta go and you set up the
dorm room and you oh.
Speaker 5 (01:13):
Oh sorry, I got so like I went to it
was a blade, just dropped me off of the dorm
and then unload me and then they leave.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
Where was the dorm?
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Uh?
Speaker 5 (01:25):
It was at Texas State in San Marcos.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
Yeah, that was back when it was Southwest Texas State.
Let's just be honest.
Speaker 5 (01:32):
No, no, no, no, no, no, dougger. I got two diplomas, Okay,
I got Southwest Texas State, and then they changed it
and I got a new diploma, says Texas State.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
But I'm saying when you were dropped off in San Marcos.
Speaker 5 (01:43):
Texas, correct, it was Southwest Texas State.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
It was Southwest Texas State. Yeah, bobcats. They got the
big wall behind the one of the baskets, the weird
shaped gym. I've actually played there.
Speaker 5 (01:53):
You've been there?
Speaker 4 (01:54):
Yeah, when my first year after playing in college. Okay,
So I played in the USBL number one pick overall
in the USBO. Then I played in the NBA Summer
League in Lombech State. Then I was supposed to play
for a team that trained in Italy but played in Russia.
I was going to play as an Israeli. I know,
(02:16):
it's a lot. Didn't get my passport because you had
to live in Israel for a year to get your passport,
came back, was in the CBA and beat out thirteen
guys and got cut day before the first game. So
I played with three different touring teams. Remember college basketball
used to be able to play these touring teams in
an non comfort in the preseason, right, EA sports there
(02:37):
used to be. First there was Marathon Oil and Athletes
in Action and whatever, and then then it became EA Sports,
which was the Pump Brothers. They had all these teams
that played. So I played for athletes. First was at
Oklahoma and Texas based Christian organization and we played. I played.
(02:57):
My dad had a team we played and beat like
San Diego State and Wichita State and Marshall a couple
of teams. I played like eight games with him. Then
I played seven games with this team in Texas and Oklahoma.
I'll never forget. Like we got in a we got
in a bunch of cars and drove down to San
Marcos and played, and then we played SMU the next night.
(03:18):
Then we played Texas Tech, and then I think we
I think we came back and played TCU. I don't remember,
but yeah, so I played Sam that's wild.
Speaker 5 (03:26):
Do you remember Jeff Foster? Yeah, of course, yeah, he so.
I in the my second year, I was in the
athletic dorms and he was my next door neighbor in
the dorms.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
There you go. So, so, how far did you grow
up from San Marcos?
Speaker 5 (03:40):
I mean I grew up in Austin, so like a
half an hour.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
Okay, so it's it wasn't that big a thing. But
when your parents took you and dropped you off, was
it like at the curb they come up, did your
mom jush up your room?
Speaker 6 (03:50):
Like?
Speaker 4 (03:50):
What what? What? What happened?
Speaker 5 (03:51):
Oh? It was like drop me off, helped me unload,
and then I told him to leave.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
I think that maybe a guy the music we got
north Ridge, now north Ridge can't you can do? Did
you commute or would? Did you live on campus?
Speaker 6 (04:03):
No? I lived on campus, and it was much the same,
kind of like all right, dropping you off, here's your stuff,
We're gonna kind of do this.
Speaker 5 (04:11):
Yep, have a gay.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
I went to Notre Dame. I got on a plane.
My dad had a former player who was a stock
trader in on the exchange in Chicago. He picked me
up and I stayed with him. In his house. He
actually took me to the Stock Exchange one day and
then he drove me to South Bend and then was
like bye bye and that was it. And then Oklahoma State.
I drove myself to Oklahoma State and same same thing.
But so I think it's part of it is it's
(04:36):
a girl thing, you know, if you have girls, very
very different, especially for the mom, super emotional. But some
of it's guys as well, Like we we become so
like clingy as parents with their drop offs, like say
yah bah. But there's a lot of people going through
the the drop off blues today, drop off blues. I
(04:58):
think it's actually more than people feel old, Like when
your kid's not in your house, you're like, my kids
are in college. I feel old and what do I do?
What I got now? Now I got to figure out
my own sporting events to go to and a guy,
I gotta find my own friends. Maybe that's it. Speaking
of college. So Arch Manning said to be the quarterback
(05:21):
of Texas. Texas right, and they take out Ohio State
first game of the year in the shoe and Arch Manning,
Archie Manning, who's the grandfather to Arch Manning, came out
and said, hey, look, he's not gonna be in the
draft this year. He's gonna be a Texas in next year.
(05:43):
Last hour, we had Josh Payton. If you know college football,
you probably know Josh Pate's got his own college football show.
His stock continues to go up, up, up and up.
I asked Josh about the idea that arch would stay
in Texas, not just for this season but for the
next one.
Speaker 7 (05:59):
That's been the talk around him since he got there.
If I don't buy it, it's just me calling him
a baldface liar, and I don't think they are now.
He could just explode this year and be projected number
one overall, and of course you got a choice to
make at that point. I am not applying those kind
of expectations to him.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
Now.
Speaker 7 (06:15):
This is, you know me personally, the market is, the
odds boards are I'm not. I am expecting him to
be good to really good, with flashes of elite, and
if he delivers anything above and beyond that, so be it.
But I do want to take a step back. I mean,
it's very obvious nothing around him is conventional. Archie Manny
talking about that, chief among them, his thought process in
(06:37):
the way he gets to handle himself because of what
his last name is, chief among him. But when is
the last time that we had known a kid for
over half a decade? People have been talking about this
dude over half a decade, like fully formed opinions, and
we hadn't even seen him be listed as the number
one quarterback of Texas yet. So you want to talk
about expectations, think about how many hard boiled expectations and
(06:58):
thoughts and opinions people have of him without ever seeing
him play entire six game stretches of a season before.
I don't know that we've ever really seen that dynamic
with anyone. And I guess it would have to be
a famous last name for a kid who have even
mattered as a sophomore in high school.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Like you did.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
I mean, look, we talked a little bit about Tim
Tebow mattering, so there's a lot of pressure. I don't
think this is to take any of the pressure off him.
I just don't. I I just don't like if we
were to, if we were to just kind of throw
out our favorite quarterbacks from the last fifteen years twenty
(07:40):
years in the NFL, what would they have in common? Right?
I ask I ask you music, I asked you too.
E throw out a quarterback like Philip Rivers. I think
I remember starting like fifty five games in college. Peyton Manning,
Eli Manning, they all played. They played their senior year,
(08:03):
you know, Bo Nicks five years of college. Michael pennockx
Joe Burrow didn't start a ton, but he did start
that second full season with LSU after sitting mostly because
of injuries, some because he was buried. Again. It's not
the end all be all, but go through the list
of the best quarterbacks, and most all of them started
(08:25):
two years fully.
Speaker 5 (08:26):
Doug, I'm going to give you one, and he had
a couple of stops. He was a number one overall
pick and he really only played one year.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
Kyler Murray, Yeah, yeah, And and I would also say
that Kyler part of the part of part of the
stuff that that held him back early was that, you know,
he didn't really know how to be a pro. I
think some of that has been On the other hand, Mike, look,
(08:56):
Baker Mayfield, it's had a great resurgence, all right. Baker
Mayfield started attack, you know, and then they're bringing in
Pat Mahomes. So he left went to Oklahoma started Oklahoma
for a couple of years. Yeah, listen, there's we don't
deal with a world of absolutes. Yeah, we don't deal
with the world you could make. The first thing with
Kyler Murray should be pointed out was he was in
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a different position to anybody because he had he had
the leverage of baseball. Now that doesn't mean that it
was the right decision. It ends up being the right
decision for him at the time. But this is playing
the numbers. That's all it is. It's playing the numbers,
all right, give me, give me another one, like kind
of go through it. Obviously, Aaron Rodgers is gonna be
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a first Powell Hall of Famer. He didn't start four years,
but he did junior college and then there was cal
and then he came out and then he sat and waited.
The difference also now is that you know, we talked
to Mark Dominic. Most guys get a year and a half.
They don't care if you're a year and a half
comes from after you start one year or after you
start three. They don't care. We're judging you baseball what
you can do in that first year and a half,
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whether or not they're gonna stand by you and you're
gonna be their quarterback and eventually extend you, like we
can actually do this. This this is It seems like
a long process, but it's not. Go through the quarterbacks
in the NFL and they'd be like, wow, that that
actually is kind of a real thing. I don't think
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it's about It's not about money for them because they
have plenty of money. Just isn't right. Lamar three years
as a starter, you know, justin Herbert, he stayed an
extra year. We talked about Nicks. Okay, Mahomes was a
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three year starter. I want to say at Tech, at Tech,
like the numbers are are kind of there for you obviously,
you know. Jalen Hurts, the guy started Alabama and lost
his job, then went and started in Oklahoma. Dak Prescott
four year starter.
Speaker 5 (11:04):
Doug Mahomes was three years. Also, another guy we've talked
about today, who's I mean, he's had issues and injuries.
Anthony Richardson really only had one year at Florida, and
we see kind of where he's at.
Speaker 4 (11:15):
Sure too much too soon. Then they throw you in
there they expect you to play, Like wow, he really
isn't that refined? Yeah, he barely played in college. Needs time,
needs time. Jane Daniels. Right when he left Arizona State,
those guys were cleaning out his locker for him. He
goes to LSU and wins the Heisman Trophy, and I
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mean that's pretty impressive. Been really impressive. So I mean, look,
Jordan Love is different. Jordan Love is the only guy
who's the first round pick who sat. And the thing
working against Jordan Love. And one of the reasons that
he gets a little bit of a grace period even
now with his third full season starter is he barely
started in college two years. One year was good, one
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year was eh. Different coaches, but Michael Pennix gon I
go through the list and you're like, wow, you know
what might be honest something it's not me. This is
if you don't need the money and you have people
who believe in you, and they've yeah, I got two
uncles that have done it and stayed the extra year.
And your grandpa's like, you're staying, this is what's best
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for you. Then he's staying, it's not really that where
the kids say it's not that deep. It's not that deep.
So I again, I it sounds groundbreaking because all those
guys eventually, they all want to be NFL quarterbacks. But
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you don't have to sprint to something, walk to it.
Make sure you're ready for it if you're arch manning on.
Doug Gottlieb, this is the Herd. To come up next,
We're gonna see Shador Sanders tonight. What should we expect
from the Browns rookie we'll discuss next.
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I'm Doug Gotlieb filling in for Colm my good friend
Jeff Schwartz's wedding, so let's bring him on. Let's talk
some football, as schwartzey. Obviously, I do want to talk
a little college with you, but let's start pros. Shador
(14:20):
Sanders gonna get the start tonight for the Browns. Brown's
not starting their starters, but some twos and threes in there.
What's reasonable expectations for tonight?
Speaker 3 (14:32):
So the way I look at the preseason is I
look at it by It's a little bit eye testing,
but it's like does it look like it should right? So,
so even though there's a fifth round pick, I think
we all agree. You know, he's a talented player and
probably doesn't go in the fifth round if it was
just on film alone. And so when he's playing tonight
against the Panthers backups, I think the Panthers actually might
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play some starters early on. But let's say it is
the backups, right, does he look like a player who's
going to be a starter, possibly in the NFL playing
backups right? Like last night? It's a great example. The
Bengals first team offense played two drives at the Eagles backups.
They scored easily on two straight drives. That looks like
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it should right. So for me, it's for Santa side
like doesn't look like it should enough. Of course, he's
a rookie. He's playing with maybe guys he hasn't practiced
much with. I mean, there could be some awkwardness to
some of the plays being made. I just want to
see his composure. I want to see how he does
the line of scoomage. I want to see just his
general you know, does he look nervous, he looked anxious?
How's he is he making the right decision and things
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like that, and so that to me is what I
look for. Doesn't does it look like it should? He
should play well against backups. I think he's good enough
to do that in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (15:48):
Yeah, so it's just play well. I mean, like you
know there. I think what happens is people look for
like one throw like oh, there it is, but really,
like his skill is he's just really accurate, right, He's
accurate and he's confident back they hold it a little
bit long.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
I think just like, does it does? Is there a
flow to his game? He might't like complete every pass,
but does the ball go we're supposed to go? I
mean last night we saw with the Colts where Richardson
didn't even know the protection, just zero clue what was
happening in front of him. I'm not so concerned about
whether or not the wide receivers cast the ball tonight
or whether you know that. It's just like, okay, is
this guy open, I'm throwing the ball at? Is that?
(16:26):
Is that the right decision to make if they give him,
you know, an opportunity to change the protection. Is he
changed the protection on time? So I'm not even looking
at like overall he completes this many passes for for
this many yards, for this many touchdowns. I just want
to see his sort of operation in the back of that.
I pushed back on people that they claim that the
Brows are setting him up for failure. No they're not.
(16:47):
This is what the preseason is. You play with different guys,
you might practice with a different team, and then you
get playing the game with someone else, Like that's what
this what it is, you're you have to adapt to
just and I know Standard doesn't feel bad for himself
as he's playing tonight. He's excited for the opportunity.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
Anthony Richardson just doesn't doesn't see the field, doesn't see
a blitz, dislocates a pinky finger. Where are you on
how much opportunity of the coach should give him heading
into the season.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
So they drafted a player who we all we all
agreed needed reps. That was the number one thing he needed.
He needed reps, reps, reps. Heared about a thousand thousand
college reps, reps reps. And the year one he gets hurt. Okay,
that happens. And then last season, stead of giving him
the reps, they panicked brought in Flacco, benched him, kind
(17:40):
of messed around with his with his playing time, so
he hasn't even developed yet. And now in year three,
when you expect things to happen on the field. He
hasn't had the opportunity to really have enough reps, I
think to get it right now. Last night's error not
knowing where the pressure was coming from is a day
one install problem. So you know, you could say, hey,
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he needs more refs, but also knowledge that it's not
going well anyways. Right like last night was as simple
as it comes. He's got to know what to do
on that play and he can't let himself get hit
like that. He can't miss that just it's unacceptable in
your three to have that issue. And so I need
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a culture in a really tough position because Chase Second
wants to win, and I'm not sure that Daniel Jones
is gonna win at the level that they need to
keep jobs. But he'll be more efficient than Richardson has
of now, the upside won't be there quite the same.
Transprission is a great athlete and great you can throw
the ball hard and far and whatnot. It's not always actor,
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which is a problem again. So I mean, I would
understand if the Colts decided to just go with Jones
because he won't make mental mistakes, he won't get hit
like he'd like like like last night, he won't make
the staff look or because they don't look like they're
preparing their quarterback. And that being said, Richard dugny reps again,
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how do you justify playing him if he doesn't know
basic protections?
Speaker 4 (19:12):
I don't know, And then he did. He's not accurate
when he does when he does actually throw the football,
So I don't I don't know. I don't know. I
just by playing him and I just don't.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
You you're really doing. But this goes back by the
way to gain to the Coult not having a plan
the players should have been last season. We give Richards
in every single rep that's available to him the entire season.
It's gonna be ups and downs. But we got hurt
if he's ready. No, he got hurt last year he was.
He got benched by Flaco. Originally you got hurt.
Speaker 4 (19:44):
I think it's no, I think he got no. I
think he got hurt.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
You know last last year five games?
Speaker 4 (19:53):
Yeah, yeah, some of it was he got benched because
of what he said, but some of it was he
got benched because he was also he was also hurt.
And then Joe Blacko was actually pretty pretty good this
is the hurt. That's the voice of Jeff Schwartz. It's interesting,
you know he needs reps. Isn't that the reason that
Marx Manning will stay at Texas not just this year
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but in next year.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
Yeah, I love the decision, man. I think he could
never go wrong with more with more reps in college
to be ready to play at that position. And you
know his his obviously his relatives stayed all four years
in college. And look, let's be honest, he's getting paid
(20:37):
multiple millions of dollars sustain and play college football. If
it was if he was making zero dollars, the decision
I think is a lot different, probably, And there's a
discussion about Okay, do I you know, do I four
go a year experience? Uh to start making money. But
he's making good money now to stay in college. And
so I'm not surprised to this news. Anyone who had
(20:57):
followed this story. Now you need to have someone released
a mock draft or talked about everyone said Arch is
not coming out early, and then I'm glad they sort
of confirmed in the last couple of days. So good
for him. There's no rush. There's no rush. Again, if
this was pre nil, you weren't making money. Yeah, I'd
agree maybe there's a rush, but right now you're making
money in Texas, you're enjoying yourself in college. There's no
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rushing at the NFL.
Speaker 4 (21:20):
I got I be honest. I think with other guys,
maybe the money is an issue. Was an issue for
his uncles, not an issue for him. And the money
is always going to be there. It is made easier
when you're already making money. I don't think that's that's
far down the list in terms of importance. It's the
you're going to get an opportunity early, can you take
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advantage of it? NFC North's the most interesting quarterback division, right,
Caleb Williams, how much better can he be with Ben Johnson?
You know Jordan Love there's a lot of good there,
but the turnovers and he got hurt last year, right,
and then JJ McCarthy and even what Jared Goff looks
like without Ben Johnson. Let me start with Kayleb Williams.
(22:05):
Sort of an uneven preseason so far. But most of
this is we're taking people's word for it. They go
to scrimmages or whatever. What do you need to see
out of Kleb Williams this season.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
I think we need to see him get better every
quarter of the season, right, so quarter two is better
than quarter one, quarter three better than quarter two, and
then by the end of the season lasts you know,
four weeks, five weeks, obviously one extra week in the quarter.
Now he's playing at a level that they've determined, you're
our franchise quarterback, like that has to be done by
this season. They've given him the opportunities with the improved
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offensive line, improve play caller that have weapons. They've given
him all the opportunity just personnel wise, to make it
happen now. And it's okay to start slowing a new offense.
That's totally normal, you know, That's what happens often with
a new OC I don't you know. Camp struggles are
what they are. I would like to see more positive
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ports about what's happening. Can't. But again, there's installed days,
and there's things you're working on, and and you know,
him and coach might be working on one thing one day,
we don't we don't know about it, and it looks
bad on film, but that's actually what they're trying to
work on that day. So I'm not going to judge
him too much on the practice, but I think by
the end of the season he's got to be, you know,
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a quarterback that the Bears say, this is our long
term anager. Otherwise they might look elsewhere, right, I mean,
I think it's not out of the question that Ben
Johnson if it doesn't work with Caleb Williams, just says
to Ryan Poles like I can't do this with him.
I gotta find someone else.
Speaker 4 (23:36):
Agreed. Agreed. Last one, You Organ ducks a lot of
money in that program. What are your thoughts?
Speaker 3 (23:46):
We Organ spends money on players. This is news to me.
I had no idea. I h. I'm excited to uh
to see. Look, we have a lot of new parts
this year. Some of the those are portal players that
are really good.
Speaker 5 (24:02):
You know.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
We had a tackling guard that will probably be close
to first round picks. That's safety. They will be a
first round pick most likely a good running back. But
there's a lot of youth in some some positions. I'm
curious to see.
Speaker 4 (24:13):
You know.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
Landing is now entering his fourth season. This is his
first his third year of recruit US you know as
mature recruiting class is this year So there's a lot
of guys defensive line, linebacker, uh that have been wide
receiver and been waiting their turn to play, and now
it's their time to play. But this is what I
think builds a program, right, and then portal is nice
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for for a couple of years, but eventually those high
school kids that you've developed for this is their third
year for a lot of these defensive tackles and linebackers
that are getting a chance to play this year. So
I'm very curious to watch those guys early in the season.
It's a it's a decent schedule, so we should start
faster and go to Penn State week five. That's what
I'm excited for is the youth. Right, We've gone portal heavy,
(24:56):
you know for a couple of years, which is what
everyone does it. He just sort of knocked it down
last year and they're gonna play these young guys now.
So I'm looking forward to seeing all those guys are about.
But the talent is there. It's a matter of execution
and can you do it On Saturdays.
Speaker 4 (25:10):
He's one of only Jeff Schwartz. May the Schwartz be
with you, Jeff, talk to you soon, but thank you here.
Thanks for having everybody, all right, that's my guy. Jeff Schwartz,
awesome dude, longtime pro the National Football League and of
course Fox Sports, NFL and college football. An let's get
to Ryan Music with the news.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
No, no turn, this is the headline news, all right, Doug.
Speaker 5 (25:35):
Jackson Dart, that's right.
Speaker 6 (25:38):
The Giants first round pick quarterback out of Ole Miss
will make his NFL debut against the Bills tomorrow. Not
necessarily sure if he's gonna start, you know, sort of.
The messaging from Brian day Ball is that, like a
Russell Wilson maleak neighbors, some of those verified starters heading
into Week one are probably not going to see the field.
(26:01):
So we don't know if Jackson Dart's literally going to
start this game or if jameis Winston. So that remains
to be seen. But he will get some action, we
know that much. Here's what he said about it quote,
I'm just stokes for the opportunity. I hope I can
get every situation, go in, get reps, be on stage,
do it at a high level. I'm excited for this.
It's a dream of mine since I was a kid.
Jackson Dart, Doug, if I set the over under at
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four four and a half starts.
Speaker 5 (26:28):
This season over under.
Speaker 4 (26:35):
Over.
Speaker 6 (26:36):
Wow, So you think he's gonna get he's gonna start
a substantial amount of games.
Speaker 4 (26:40):
Then who's the starting quarterback?
Speaker 5 (26:42):
Well, Russell Wilson of course.
Speaker 4 (26:44):
Okay, how many What's happened in the past couple of years? Right,
Like again, I could be it's not me. Okay, I
don't know, but Sean Payton was like, I'm done. Pittsburgs
hears like yeah, next, we would rather wait six months
on Aaron Rodgers, who we have no idea if he
(27:05):
still got it as opposed to that guy. So yeah,
I just I don't see it.
Speaker 5 (27:12):
Greg too broken with the truly believe that Brian Davill,
who's trying to keep his job, would not get Jackson
darting there sooner than later if it goes off the
rails early.
Speaker 4 (27:24):
Oh again, I yeah, I think he gets them in
there as soon as possible, because at the end of
the day, you can go like, hey, look I got
a young guy here. You know, I got a young quarterback.
Speaker 5 (27:32):
We got Rooie all right, So looking at their sting,
we all do we all do it?
Speaker 4 (27:37):
Right? Like I mean, I didn't do it intentionally, but
the end of the year. Last year, I'm starting for
a freshmen and a sophomore. Six teams our league didn't
play a freshman a minute, right, Like, it starts to
go bad.
Speaker 6 (27:47):
I mean, it's it's pretty brutal for the Giants, who
are already coming off of what was a bad year.
They have Washington, Dallas Chiefs, Chargers, Saints, Eagles, Broncos, Eagles, Niners.
So I mean those first nine weeks, you know, the
Saints and then whatever you think of the Cowboys. But
(28:09):
outside of that, those are all playoff teams and elite
level playoff teams from last season.
Speaker 4 (28:16):
Yeah, I mean, we don't know, we don't, but yes,
I mean on paper, the Eagles are gonna be.
Speaker 6 (28:20):
Good, then the Chiefs are probably gonna be at least good,
Chiefs at.
Speaker 5 (28:25):
The very least good, at least good Denver.
Speaker 6 (28:30):
I know a lot of people are divided based off
of the schedule that they played last year, but I
think the expectation for most people is that they will
have a very good defense. Yeah yeah, so so you're
you're you're not wrong.
Speaker 5 (28:44):
Bye.
Speaker 6 (28:44):
By the week nine, week ten, if things are looking south,
we could probably get a second.
Speaker 4 (28:49):
Seventeen games now to remember, like, I did get an
extra game?
Speaker 5 (28:53):
Yeah he did, Yeah, he did, all right.
Speaker 6 (28:55):
Sticking with the NFL, the Bengals in preseason action against
the Eagles offense looks sharp. You and Jeff Schortz chop
this up a little bit. Joe Burrow completing nine out
of ten passes two touchdowns. Now, look, no surprise that
Burrow would light it up in the preseason. But there's
two parts to this. Do you think getting these reps
(29:17):
in the preseason will have a positive impact for the
Bengals who have just been awful in September to start
the season with Burrow and head coach Zach Taylor.
Speaker 4 (29:27):
I mean you actually answered the question before you let
me answer the question. Is it doesn't matter. They couldn't
have been any worse the whole way. Okay, why not
try charge this one? Right?
Speaker 5 (29:37):
Sure?
Speaker 4 (29:38):
Sure, It's like we've been bad, We've given away games
to inferior teams, and at the end of the year
we've come back going like damn, I wish we were better.
So they're like, all right, what if we play our
guys really, they get sharp and maybe we steal a
win here there That we couldn't in the past. I mean,
the big thing with them was their defense was just
a joke last year.
Speaker 6 (29:55):
Right, And that sort of leads us to part number
two that I had mentioned, which is, again, it's all preseason,
and you know you're not all you're not playing all
your starters, whatever. But let it be known that against
the Eagles backups, the Bengals gave up thirty four points
and the defense did not look to put up anything
of substantial improvement over last year. So not not a
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great showing for a team that's looking to try and
correct course there on missing out on the playoffs despite
Joe Burrow leading the league in basically every major passing
category last season.
Speaker 4 (30:34):
Sure.
Speaker 6 (30:35):
Sure, And finally we wrap up with this Doug the
forty nine ers it's was a bounce back season, or
they're hoping for it to be about bounce back season
after missing the playoffs and struggling with injuries in twenty
twenty four.
Speaker 5 (30:50):
Well, here's the problem.
Speaker 6 (30:51):
It appears that injury bug maybe hasn't quite moved out
of San Francisco yet. Their general manager, John Lynch, he says,
doesn't necessarily expect wide receiver Brandon I used to be
ready for Week one of the season. He also said
they currently don't have any timetable for return for their
other wide receiver, Juwan Jennings, who has a CAF injury.
(31:13):
So already some injury issues facing the forty nine ers
after last year's struggles that they had. Obviously, we hope
Christian McCaffrey stays healthy. He was banged up basically all season.
But some wide receiver injuries a problem.
Speaker 5 (31:29):
For the forty niners.
Speaker 4 (31:30):
Yeah, yeah, I mean think, think about what's going wrong
for them, And of course now you have a quarterback
who has a gigantic contract, and so eventually the overall
surrounding talent won't be as good. That's Ryan Music with
the news.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
Heard Line News.
Speaker 4 (31:53):
I'm sure you've probably heard by now. You've heard by
now that that Diana Trossi has some interesting things to say.
I want to get to that Chick fil A is
dropping a new chicken sandwich. The all new pretzel cheddar
Club Sandwich will be on menus beginning August eighteenth. August eighteenth,
(32:15):
Why are you guys not happy about this? I got
a note that that that YouTube music you and two
you're not happy about the sandwich TRP.
Speaker 5 (32:26):
No, I mean we were talking about it, and honestly,
like it's kind of like in and out Chick fil A.
It's like they do a couple of things really well
and they don't need to deviate from the plan.
Speaker 6 (32:35):
With you with the way it is every time you've
had every time you've had chick Have you ever gone
I'm looking for this to be different or are you
just completely and thoroughly satisfied with exactly what you just got?
Speaker 4 (32:47):
Well, first of all, if you're watching on YouTube, you'll
see I have like four or of these I can get, yeah,
free sandwich or nugs. Whenever I got four of these
I just got when I went to work today was
in my my my mailbox, which is great. I love
that it's not in and out though it's not okay,
(33:08):
in and out is burger cheeseburger or double cheeseburger three
by three whatever, you know? So what's different about this?
They put it on a pretzel bun, right, that's reference.
Speaker 5 (33:19):
And I like a pretzel bun.
Speaker 6 (33:20):
But have you ever gone to Chick fil A and
been like, man, this sandwich needs work, Like they need
to change some stuff up.
Speaker 4 (33:25):
Nor do I ever go like, you know, if the
bun was.
Speaker 5 (33:28):
Better exactly one hundred percent, So what are we doing here?
Speaker 4 (33:33):
Yeah we are, but that's kind of what we do
as a society. Well, like I know it's perfect, but
we're gonna make it more right.
Speaker 6 (33:39):
But Chick fil A has already put their steak in
the ground that they don't bend to the whims of
those type of pressures, like they're like, dude, we are
not open on Sunday right period, that's it. And so
now they're starting to make tweaks to the menu, Like
I I don't get it.
Speaker 4 (33:54):
They need tweaks that the tweaks have been They've had
some tweaks ongoing. This is the first bread tweak I
can remember. But they had the hot honey. Did they
have a hot honey there?
Speaker 6 (34:04):
I don't think they don't know if they don't. They
have the various sauces which they've always had.
Speaker 4 (34:08):
Yeah, I think they've had a hot honey one. There's
they did, No, there's one. It's actually it was really good.
I had it early the summer, late in the spring.
I'm freaking good.
Speaker 5 (34:19):
So but there there, but there here's here's here's perfect.
Speaker 4 (34:24):
I don't so I don't they are so I don't.
There's there's not a ton of benefit. Like when you're
a head coach, I do I get my own room
on the road. That's amazing, that's awesome, right, And these
other guys you come downstairs, You're like, why are you
guys all grumpy? Like he snores, he's got a c
pat machine, he watches TV like way too loud at night,
(34:45):
Like they're all I was like, dude, I slept great
last night. I don't know what's up with you guys.
But I don't get the the The director of OPS
usually gets the hotel rewards points for the group.
Speaker 5 (34:57):
That's that's the money.
Speaker 4 (34:59):
One that's a that's an internationally known or nationally known
like the opsky gets to usually go use Marriott Miles
or whatever on a vacation just because that's like the
one benefit to it. It's usually Lois Bay guy on
the coaching Total pol. The one that I get is
because you know, we do there's a lot of buses
(35:20):
involved in at our level something or sometimes it's just
we land and we got to get something to equick,
so we do we do Chipotle or chick and I
get the points, so like cht, it's it's been a
Chipotle summer. Man. I'm just it's been good on all points.
It's the only plays I can save a little cash
there is on those Chipotle points.
Speaker 6 (35:40):
In today's day and age, Doug, there are very few
things that are sacred and maintained morality, and Chick fil
A was one of our tenants and they are starting
to peer off.
Speaker 5 (35:52):
Course, there's no need like you you go for the
spicy chicken.
Speaker 4 (35:55):
We didn't need to coke. So what you said we
didn't need.
Speaker 5 (35:57):
To, No, we absolutely did not. They mixed in and
off of fries. If you want a sweet tea cool
and if you're hungry for dessert, get an ice cream cone,
which is awesome too.
Speaker 4 (36:07):
Can I vent it just for one second as the
they call it a sun Joy, right, it's the Arnold Palmer.
I guess they call it Sunjoy because you can't call
it Arnod Palmer right anyway? Can we please stop when
you go to a restaurant and I understand I've lived
in the Southwest or part of the South whatever, Just
Arnold Palmer's don't have vodka. That's a John day and
(36:27):
they don't have sweet tea. You know, they just don't. Sorry,
I'll tell you we're not hot.
Speaker 5 (36:39):
We're not happy.
Speaker 4 (36:40):
You're not happy. Not happy. Coming up next, I don't
think I don't think Dina Trosti knows what the WNBA
has mirrored as a business model for twenty five years.
I'll explain it next.
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and subscribe U By now, I think most people have
heard the Diana Tarasi sound. Right. Did Colin comment on
it or did he just stay away from it? I
don't remember, I do. I listened to Colin show every
day as I'm prepping for my show or as we're
(38:13):
having huh we did not. Yeah, So Diana Tarazi in
there's a new Amazon show or Amazon series if you will,
on the WNBA, and she talks about how she was
the best player in the world and in order to
make money she had to go to a communist country
(38:36):
and that back home she was making less than the janitor. Now,
I understand we all overstate things, right, I mean all
of our parents for years said, you know, back when
I was a kid, we used to walk barefoot to
school uphill both ways. Right, and so let's not even
(38:59):
get caught in the Hey, she was making like eighty
seven grand for three months, that's not exactly janitor money.
And oh yeah, by the way, in a fledgling league
when it was still kind of growing in the early stages,
maybe even before her. Obviously the women weren't weren't well compensated,
and the league had to kind of figure out how
(39:19):
to move out of the big NBA arenas into small arenas,
how to figure out ownership. There's there's lots of things.
Let's let's completely forget the fact that Russia is not
a communist country. Has it been a communist country since
the eighties early nineties? Paristroika crack a book. I get
it she was saying things for effect. But how does
(39:41):
it land on you? I'll tell you how it lands
on me. And and this is obviously it feels like jealousy.
And we have now we do have this from all
athletes that look at what athletes today make and they're like, well,
I would have made this. I mean we have in
college sports. How much would you guys in college sports
talking about all the time, what would you have made it?
(40:02):
Inn il, if you were on the market today, we
all do it. The difference is it's it's like venomous.
And I think the big part is that there's this
assumption that and and it's it's it's a real assumption.
Matt's actually no, an assumption, it's a we know this
is it. We know because we were women, we were
(40:25):
paid less. When the reality is that the NBA has
been around for one hundred years, it's it's mind blowing
that no one has sat there and gone like, hey,
you know when the until the eighties, many NBA players
had jobs in the offseason. You go back to the forties, fifties, sixties, seventies,
(40:51):
guys would have jobs in the offseason. Why because they
didn't make any money? Why because this just wasn't money.
Was like the league was keeping all the money. In
nineteen eighty one nineteen eight one, my dad was at university,
was Consin Milwaukee's head coach. They went to Division III.
He took the year off and then eventually went to
Lombie State. During that year off, my grandpa was a
(41:13):
car dealer on Long Island, but he was an accountant
who took over the car dealership. That's how so my
dad got the one. The new Jersey nets were for
sale for one million dollars and my grandpa every the accountant,
looked at the books and said, this is a terrible investment.
No thanks, now one million dollars then is you know
(41:38):
a couple hundred million dollars now, but still it's the
idea it was a bad investment. So Diane Trussey has
no idea the history of the NBA and the truth
is that a fledgeling league is just like any other
fledgling business. Eighty five percent of businesses closed their doors
within the first couple of years. It wasn't like owners
(42:01):
were getting rich and sneezing with one hundred dollars bills,
like what world were they living in? But a lack
of knowledge of who they were and what they are now,
and this gift that they've been given with the rise
of stardom by Caitlin Clark is just We're going to
look back in twenty five years and I don't know
(42:23):
what happens to the WNBA. I don't It feels like
they're walking into the same traps as every other professional
sports league that gets some stardom. The NHL, when Wayne
Gretzky came to La over expand and then all of
a sudden, you have to kind of backtrack and regroup.
And the NHL's in a good place now, but it
(42:44):
wasn't always that way. The NBA's in a good place
wasn't always that way.
Speaker 3 (42:49):
It was not.
Speaker 4 (42:51):
Heck, even the NFL go back into the early nineties
not always a great place. You hear those words in
the venom behind it, and it's not exactly making you likable.
And the weird part about it is when usually when
superstars get done playing, she is a superstar. There's no
doubt about her. She's arguably or maybe inarguably the greatest
(43:13):
player of all time. Usually they soften over times. All right,
Shador Sanders tonight. I'm sure Colin will have comments. So
I check out the Doug Gottlieb show. It follows this show.
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