August 11, 2025 • 31 mins
Colin gives his thoughts on who he feels will win the National Championship this season
Chris Simms joins The Herd to talk about Browns QB Shedeur Sanders debut, if Giants QB Jaxson Dart is ready to start, JJ McCarthy's last 2 years in college, and more!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 1 (00:27):
Very interesting. Apparently some people are concerned that Matt Stafford.
People are suggesting what about back surgery, and Sean McVay
said today that has not been a conversation that we've had.
There's been a lot of conversations about what's the best
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method to approach it with That hasn't been something that's
come up, but just the idea that there are conversations
of Matt Stafford and a back surgery. So I have
the Rams is like the second best team in the NFC. Uh,
they're not top eight without Matt Stafford. Like that's that's
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a game changer. So maybe I'll get Old Brock Purty
wedge him in as a deep wild card seed of
the playoffs. We'll see jmack with a news.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
This is the Herdline news, all right, Colin, I think
Tyreek Hill is going to be a hot name to
watch all season due to his trade situation. So he's
been sidelined due to an oblique injury, but he continues
to be in the news during these press conferences, saying
wacky stuff. Said his relationship with Tua as a work
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in progress.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
I mean they're like three years in now.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
According to reports, other NFL teams are monitoring the trade
market for Tyreek Hill. The Chargers and Commanders lead the
way at plus five point fifty. He would be a
flat out game changer for the Chargers.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Oh my gosh, stretching the field.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Mconkee underneath will remember they just lost their left tackle.
Tyreek Hill is at his best deep down the field.
Joe Waltz protecting you. You're weak at the right tackle.
You're going to be doing a lot of deep throws.
I mean, that's never been Hardbaugh's never been a lead,
spent a lot of money on a wide receiver. The
culture right now with the Chargers is excellent. Tyreek Hill
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can disrupt that. None of these I mean the Raiders
is interesting to me because well, I mean, they've got
their tight end, they've got their running back. They could
use an over the Ti in that division with Sean
Payton Reed Herbert, I could argue the Raiders could use
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a downfield game breaker.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
You think Vegas is a good city for Tyreek Hill
right now?
Speaker 1 (02:55):
I don't know. Listen, Guys who are immature, it doesn't
matter where they If you can be immature in Cleveland
or Miami, it doesn't matter that Pete.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
Carroll can can reel him in. It's interesting. The other
team on there is the Commanders. We know that Terry
McLaurin situation.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
They have debo, they have a quarterback on a rookie deal.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Terry mclaurin's the opposite of Tyreek one hundred percent polar opposites.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
But Tyreek Hill with that offense with Jayden Daniels, Hey, listen,
that's kind of sort of spicy. Anyways, I'm on the
prediction train that that Tyreek Hill will be traded sometime
during the season, whatever the trade deadline is. I just
don't see him lasting, Like, why would you. Everything that's
coming out of his mouth is not positive for like
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basically the last year, right.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
I think at some point you just have to accept
what people are. I mean, it'd be one thing if
you're twenty three and immature. You know, people grow obviously,
but if you if you've been in a industry for
you know, seven, eight, nine years, you start looking around
and it's the same stuff, then you just have to
accept that person and stop worrying about changing them. Like
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the person is what the person is.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
All right, Let's move on to Travis Hunter, the electrifying
a rookie ye out of Colorado. He had his preseason
debut for the Jag Saturday. Ten snaps on offense, eight
snaps on defense.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Is this him wrapping up in space?
Speaker 4 (04:16):
Here?
Speaker 3 (04:16):
Now? He whifted on the tackle there. Here's what he
had to say about his about his performance.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Well, nervous, but I thought great, I did pretty good.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
Alphil idea.
Speaker 5 (04:26):
If you have more LA two of these, we would
have here to show the world we could really good.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
We could flush her right away.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
And just get back, get back to business and know
what I gotta do next. For him, he is, he's he's.
I mean when I turn to a game because I
want to watch a dB like he is, he is
something else, man. He looks the part like length, speed,
twitching us. He looks the part.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
We got a side note here from the producer. He
says that the Jags kicker hit a seventy yard field
goal somebod named Caim Little, but it does not count
towards the longest kick in NFL history because it was
the preseason and it looks like he made this with
a few yards to spare.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
That could have been good from seventy two.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
For forever, Tom Dempsey held the record. Who Tom Dempsey
was kind of legendary. He had half a foot, so
he used a shoe almost like it was shaped like
a little bit like a hammer head. Who does hold
the current NFL field goal record? That's a great question
for just beat somebody top. Oh, Justin Tucker, what sixty five?
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Was it sixty six? Okay, Justin Tucker holds it. Yes,
somebody will beat that. I don't know what happened two
years I don't know what happened. I was gonna say
maybe it was an ozempic. Now that would lose weight,
you would lose strength. Something happened about two years ago
and people hit fifty seven yarders. I have no idea
what happened. I mean like two years ago, it was
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like fifty seven was like, oh, that's within range. It
used to be you wouldn't even attempt a fifty seven
yarder if there was any win.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
I wonder, guys, you talk about the seven on seven.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
I wonder if specialization in the kicker position caught on,
Like a decade ago, at the youth levels, people were like, listen,
I'm not gonna be a football player. I can be
a kicker, and you just study it, study it, continue
to get better, and now we're seeing the fruits of
the labor here in two. I mean, you're right, fifty
did not feel like a chore last year. It was like,
not free points, but certainly within range.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Yeah. I don't have any great explana. You're probably right.
They've just it's become a little cottage industry, and there's
better kicking coaches, and there's money at it, and there's
certainly money being a kicker, even a punter.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
The final story calls college football the first a people
the season has been released.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Take a look.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
Who's number one the Texas Longhorns with arch manning Penn State,
who we both have in the national championship at two,
Ohio State three, Clemson.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
You love you some Tigers this year for Georgia five,
Notre Dame six.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
Interesting note here, of the last twenty one teams to
open at number one in the preseason poll, nineteen failed
to win the national championship. Comes via Brett McMurphy. So
number one doesn't really need anything great here. If you're
thinking who's gonna win, I do not think Texas.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
I believe. I believe you have to be in the last.
Ten of the last eleven national champions have been in
the top six in the preseason poll. Look that up.
Ten of the last eleven Natties have come from So
that would be Texas, Penn State, Ohio State, Clemson, Georgia,
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Notre Dame, Oregon. On the outside looking and I think
that's it.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
I'm not seeing your USC, am. I missing them. USC
not even top twenty five.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Well yeah, I mean I here's what I would say.
If you're USC, so will be four years in now,
three and four recruiting classes, three and four transfer classes.
USC's got to be a top twenty five team. I
had this discussion. I saw Mark Carrier yesterday. He's a
great USC trojan. I'm at the gym, I mean, throwing
around massive weight and I run into Mark Carrier, who
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is now the athletic director of a very prestigious local
high school. And uh, and we're taught us. He's at
thirty by the way, and we were we were I
asked him about Lincoln Riley, and we know he's a
smart guy that can coach. But at Oklahoma he inherited
Bob Stoop's culture. The culture was built. We know he
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could coach. I mean, they won eleven games four years
in a row. If he was a stiff, you would
go backwards. So we know he can coach, but there
is a difference like Mike McDaniel, I know can coach.
Can Mike McDaniel in Miami build a culture? And so
USC has gout is spending big money in the nil
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big money, you know, going buying good players. Uh, their staff,
Anthony Len's a great defensive coordinator. They've got they stole
Notre Dames like strength and conditioning coach or GM or
something like that. So if you start looking at Notre
if you start looking at USC, you gotta do better
than thirty like they Now, that doesn't mean they can't
win ten games at end like sixteenth, but their schedule,
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they've got to go to Oregon. If I recall, they've
got to go to Notre Dame. But you can lose
two games and make the playoff. Ohio State lost its
last game two Michigan as a twenty point favorite and
won the Natty.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
So but the optics colin of USC not being top
twenty five, good SMU and Indiana are in there. It's like, what,
that's just unfamiliar territory.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
For the Trojans. Jmack with the news.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
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Speaker 1 (10:27):
Here. It is. Every national champ in the college football
Playoff era has begun the season ranked inside the preseason
top six, and ten of those eleven champions were inside
the top five. The only exception was LSU and twenty
nineteen and they were six. So if you're in the
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top six, you're gonna win the Natty that the media
may not be able to pick. And I've said before
the season, I think Texas plays Penn State in the
national Championship. Lincoln's former team, Oklahoma is in the top
twenty five. That's things a little. That Sting's a little
Chris Sims eight years in the NFL from a long
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morn he was joining US. Okay, so I kind of thought,
I kind of thought Senor Sanders was okay. What did
you make of it?
Speaker 5 (11:19):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (11:19):
I think it was better than just so okay.
Speaker 5 (11:21):
I mean, first off, I think when you just take
into account the pressure surrounding the situation, right, I mean,
all the talk he's not getting enough reps, the Cleveland
Browns are trying to screw him.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
Over, blah blah blah.
Speaker 5 (11:32):
Then Okay gets thrust into the starting position and I
don't care if it's preseason or not. When you're a
rookie and you got to start the first preseason game,
it ain't all that easy. But what I like about
shodork Standers, the highlights you're showing right here are perfect.
He's awesome in the pocket. He's more athletic than people realize.
He doesn't flinch with pressure around him. I know his
idyl is Tom Brady. The way he moves around in
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the pocket and stays in throwing positions, it does remind
me of that. And he's the ultimate gamer. That's one
thing I knew. He was so great. Start for him,
and he's certainly gonna make that whole quarterback controversy.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
They're more controversial, Okay, so I said this morning, Jackson
Dart played forty one games and arguably the best conference,
with an NFL level coach in Lane Kiff and a
sophisticated offense. He's ready to play. Now, maybe you give
Russell snap one, but Chris, I mean plause, you didn't
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get this when you were young. Maybe you did, but
the kids now not only get forty one starts, they
get seven on seven camps, they get private coaching and too. Now,
your dad was an NFL quarterback, so you had some advantages.
But like to me, forty one college snaps under Lane Kiffin,
I don't want to hear about while he's young. I mean,
why not play him?
Speaker 4 (12:47):
Yeah, no, I hear the world's changed.
Speaker 5 (12:49):
You said it right, seven on seven hamps, passing academies
all that. And just to be clear, my dad didn't
do Jack Middley's swat with me until I got the
high school. It's like the first time we ever had
a catch together, all right, just so you know. It
wasn't like quarterback school. But he is NF already, and
I think that's the appeal of Jackson Dart. You said
it right, the competition he played against, the coaching he
got from Lane Tiffin. He knows how to operate an
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NFL offense. They'd want to start him and you know that.
But I think the bigger thing is not about him, Colin,
maybe just a little bit more about the team.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
I think it could be that too.
Speaker 5 (13:21):
They have a very tough start of the schedule at
the start of the year, and you maybe don't want
to throw the rookie into that point.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
Also, I look at it too.
Speaker 5 (13:28):
Their offensive lines going to be a question Mark again,
they might want to wait a few weeks, make sure
Andrew Thomas is totally healthy at left tackle, get that
right before they throw in their new prize possession of
Jackson Dart into the starting lineup. But he did look good.
Another guy is athleticism I think is better than I
even thought coming out of college. And he can read
the field, he can play within the pocket. His arm
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doesn't wow me, but he can play the position and
that's the thing that's most important. He will be the
starter there eventually, and I think they're a two to
three team out of the gates, and I think somewhere
around there you'll see Jacksondrk come in.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Yeah. So everybody except Tom Brady played this weekend. I
mean got Burrow did, Mahomes did, everybody did, and Caleb
Williams didn't. Now, the coach said, listen, he took a
lot of snaps at practice, and I'm may I suggest
that he was like, okay, standalone game, it's going to
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be a big audience. It's like when a tech company delays,
you know, their new gadget and says, you know it's
going to be revolutionary, but you know, we just want
to make sure, it's.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
It felt like it was. It was a little.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Strategic not playing him. Can I be cynical a little?
Speaker 8 (14:43):
No?
Speaker 5 (14:43):
No, I think you're allowed to be cynical here. I
think it's realistic in a lot of ways. First off,
like you talked about everybody, almost every game had starters, right,
didn't mean both teams played starters, but just about every
game this preseason except Rams Cowboys played their starters.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
I think it's going to be a new fat in
the NFL.
Speaker 5 (15:00):
You don't get to play, you don't get to hit,
you don't get to play real football that much. They
going to take advantage of those opportunities. But I think
you're on the right track. My brain with to the
same place, Colin. They don't want to unveil anything until
they feel like it's ready. They've been the most scrutinized
team at all football through preseason so far. So I
think between that and Taylor Williams and the scrutiny there
and a pass number one pick, he's learning and getting
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a crash course and the offense that he has never
had to deal with.
Speaker 4 (15:27):
He's out there.
Speaker 5 (15:27):
I just heard you talking about Lincoln Riley and usc
Hey that offense.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
It doesn't get any more simple than that. Oh, five
receivers getting the shotgun. You run a slant, you run
a slant, and you run a slant. There's nothing to it.
Speaker 5 (15:40):
He's getting trigonometry lessons right now from Ben Johnson. WHOA,
I'm underneath the center. We got nine million formations. We
got fifty checks for every play. I'm calling three plays
in the huddle. So I think a little bit of
what you're saying is right. They want to make sure
everybody offensive and defensively, I think is comfortable before they
put their new team out there for everybody to scrutinize
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a little bit.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
You know, I said this during the Nick Saban run,
is that at playing in Alabama, you may have won
a lot of games, but it didn't prepare you for
the NFL. You always played with the lead, you always
had four NFL offensive linemen, you had the best coach
in best roster. That if you look at the history
of the NFL, it's a lot of big Ben Miami
of Ohio, Drew Breese at Purdue, Philip Rivers, NC State.
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You get your butt kicked in college. So my priston
on JJ McCarthy's last two years. He threw the ball
over thirty times once, almost always played with the lead.
It was a run first team with a dominating defense.
Is that I think? I think. I don't think Michigan
an unbelievable coach in school. I don't think he's ready,
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and I think the injury then put him way way behind.
So my take is we better be patient here because
he may not be close to a bow Knicks in
his first year of playing a lot. Do you think
he lands this year? I would be shocked if it
didn't work out.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
Now.
Speaker 5 (17:05):
The things you bring up, I think are legitimate questions.
You're right there. You'd like him to have had some
more games right through through the ball thirty and forty times.
Speaker 4 (17:14):
But at the same.
Speaker 8 (17:15):
Time, Colin, I'd argue, he didn't play a pro style
football type of attack, you know, maybe an NFL defensive
type of team, and he had to manage the game
that way.
Speaker 4 (17:25):
And when he did get drop.
Speaker 5 (17:26):
Back the pass, it wasn't like, oh, I throw a
screen here or a little bubble screen over here.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
He had to throw the ball and push the ball
down the field.
Speaker 5 (17:33):
What you're seeing him do right gear, And I think
he has an incredible arm, His body looks good. He
definitely put on some weight. O'Connell is a quarterback whisperer.
They're going to be better running the football this year,
I think in Minnesota than we've seen in years past.
And of course he's got the weapons around him on
the outside. But I'll say this to you, Collin, the
way he played quarterback in college at Michigan, that ain't
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always easy.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
You've played pick up in bad basketball.
Speaker 5 (17:58):
You go two or three games or you don't get shot,
and all of a sudden, someone goes, hey, you're open,
shoot it, and you're like, WHOA, I'm not in rhythm here,
haven't I haven't seen one go through the basket yet.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
But he had to deal with that and some tough
situations out in Michigan. So I think he got asked to.
Speaker 5 (18:11):
Play like a throw and it didn't get a lot
of easy completions. Yeah, i'd like more reps, but I
do believe in the guy, and I believe in the
Kevin O'Connell's ability to coach and their ability to evaluate.
I'd be more surprised than not if it doesn't work.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
You know, you're a former Texas Longhorn and I'm just
going to give you the floor on this. I saw
very little of arts Manning. The most impressed I was
is the fact that I think he's significantly better than
quinn Ewers and did not transfer and did not say
a peep. He was a great teammate. That told me
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all I need to know. He's a Manning, he's smart,
he's mature. What are you hearing about the player? Oh,
they're excited about the player. I talked to enough people
down there. They were excited about him last year.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
I knew before the year was over.
Speaker 5 (19:04):
Last year, I got the sense from talking to a
few people down there that they were going to push
quinn Ewers out the door because they thought the potential
and what arch Manning had, what he could break to
the football team. His smart statsphysical abilities could open up
the offense to a degree we haven't really seen under
Steve Sarkisian yet as a play caller. So they're pumped.
You talk about the other stuff. He I mean leader,
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everybody says the same thing. The team loves them, doesn't.
Speaker 4 (19:31):
Matter who it is.
Speaker 5 (19:32):
Right, He's humble, he handles himself the right way. He's
got a quick release, he's got a very good arm
and he's an extremely extremely talented athlete. So I think
it's all in the up and up. And yeah, the
Longhorns are back. They're real, that's for sure. And I
think he has a great year. And you know, I
know his grandfather said it.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
The other day. I'd be shocked if he leaves.
Speaker 5 (19:53):
They believe in get those reps you talked about, Get
those reps, get that experience, play in the pock. It's
only going to serve you well when you get to
the NFL, because that's what the game's all about in
the NFL.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
And of course you.
Speaker 5 (20:06):
Know he's got two older uncles that thrive in that environment.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
As we know, Chris Simms, as always, it is great, sane,
my man.
Speaker 5 (20:14):
Hey, you're the man always stood seeing you, buddy. Be good,
all right, I'll talk to you soon.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
Say hi to your dad. Chris Simms, of course, the
son of the great Phil Simms, who's still doing some
media stuff. I what is the line again? J mack
is at two and a half Texas getting two and
a half at Ohio State and College.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
I believe it was bumped up to three.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
Yes, I'm taking the points.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
I'm on Ohio State for sure. I hate to Sayado State.
What is this? Two weeks and we got about nineteen
days to the game. I'm very excited for this game.
By the way, the whole weekend, it's going to be.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
Such a banger for football. College football starts good. Then
the NFL the next weekend. By the way, side note,
I have some people asking me do you play fantasy football?
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Would you play in a league if invited by yours?
Speaker 1 (20:59):
For no? I gamble so DraftKings has Ohio State minus
two and a half. You know here, here's my thing
with fantasy football players. I am four fantasy football players.
But the difference between a gambler and a fantasy football player.
You go to dinner, fantasy football guys argue over the check.
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Gamblers pick it up.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
That's a good one.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
But I like that. All right, wrap it up. It's
the hurt.
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Speaker 1 (21:47):
For the record, Bill Belichick at Home is a three
point underdog in his first foray into college football coaching.
They've got I don't. The question is geo Lopez is
kind of a smaller athletic quarterback that runs around. He
was six wins, six losses, something like that at South Alabama.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
We don't know.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
I've seen YouTube. I really have no idea. I mean,
Belichick's a defensive guy, so you kind of get what
you get. Athletic guy runs around. We'll see. I don't
know it. They added a top ten transfer class with
over forty incoming players, so that's a lot of mentoring
and teaching. Each of the last three recruiting classes with
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Mac Brown as he aged, were not great. So they
don't have that tells me that don't have a ton
of talent. Mac was an elite recruiter early and in
the prime of his career, not as much late. So
they went out and got Belichick probably perused all of
his talent and said, we just need more guys Carolina boosters.
That school's got a lot of money, especially for basketball,
stepped up and so it's just it's in your You
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got a guy that was six and six at South Alabama,
not I've had eighteen touchdowns, five picks, pretty accurate, six
feet two hundred pounds, little undersized guy that runs around.
Gill Lopez will see. But they're gonna have a new quarterback,
a new head coach, new coordinators, sixteen new starters, so
thank god, outside of Clemson, they'll never be I would
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imagine much more than a three point underdog. It's almost
like remember when Dion got to Colorado and I think
they were an underdog the TCU, and then they clabbered
him or something, didn't they and they colabored it because
DCU was an established program and had a bunch of
really good players the year before, and they all had
a pretty big, if I recall, like a draft class.
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So we'll see the story of the day today. I
think one of them is a shadeur Sanders. Chris sim
said it. I thought he looked the part. I think
everything I thought about him coming into the NFL moves
well enough, good size, plays comfortably, very accurate. That's what
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we saw again. You better be he doesn't have great traits,
so speeding tickets, worry about local radio guys, legendary draft
day room butchered his interview with the New York Giants,
which I've had revalidated over the weekend. That's bad stuff.
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So he the less dynamic. Your traits are the more dynamic.
You have to be pre snap and in the film room.
So we don't know about that. But here's Matt Hasselback
earlier on his performance.
Speaker 7 (24:37):
Will the Cleveland Browns have the courage to keep four quarterbacks?
And courage is the word I'm using because it's like
no one else does that. It doesn't make any sense.
This is a team that has gone without a quarterback
for so long that they might just say, hey, listen,
it's that important of a position. We like what we
have here, the traits that he's showing, Let's hold on
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to him and develop him on the field. He doesn't
give me pause at all. He doesn't worry me at
all off the field, and what he's like in the
locker room. That's the part that I just don't know.
There are some red flags.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
We'll see who's Cleveland play next. I thought it was
pretty good. I you know, I I do think it's
interesting that I wonder if Shaud Shadeur's brother. According to
j Max Shadour's brother, that tape of him talking to
Tony Grossi, Chaduur's brother, this was a plan. Hey let's
(25:34):
I'm gonna go and confront him, and it goes down
to again. Well, why in the world are you worried
about that? Give me a break. Oh, Browns are at
the Eagles. Phillies planned none of their starters, Lennon Dickerson
got hurt the old lineman, so Philly's not gonna play,
and the Browns then face the Rams. Stafford will not play,
so and then it's the regular season. Did you I
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I watched a lot of the I sat yesterday in
the day before and watched a ton not Saturday. I
was busy Saturday. They live to in Chicago. Friday night.
I watched football yesterday all day long. I sat and
watched the NFL. Tyson beagent for the Chicago Bears. You
shake your head, that is when I watch him. That
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is a potentially top five backup in the league. He's
a backup. Whoa, you don't think so.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
Top five backup based.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
So what based on eye test? No? I mean secret ball?
Well no, I mean I'm saying backup?
Speaker 2 (26:35):
Who were?
Speaker 1 (26:36):
The bar is not super high, but I don't know.
I watched Tyson bagent. He can run, got a sixteen
play drive, He's got a good arm.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
He had some moxie last year when he flashed, but
it was mocked me. See again, let's not read too
much in a preseason with backups and no coaches want
to reveal anything that they're going to actually put. They
don't want to put anything on tape that they're going
to be using all season. A lot of vanilla stuff here.
Let's let's pump the brakes on on on Beijing.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Okay, so Beijing, Tyson Beijen. So let's ask this, what
about Jackson Dart. He looked pretty good.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
Yeah, well, it's interesting you hyped him up.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
New York Giants fans are doing cartwheels over Abdull Carter.
Oh he really played and he was dominant. Yeah yeah, yeah,
now get.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
To block him and.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
No, no, no, Abdull Carter looked really good. But the
defensive line is the strength of the team. So he'll
just add to Dexter Lawrence and Kevon Thibodeau. They that
will be the strength of that. That's why I've said
the Giants, the Giants are not hopeless. Remember a couple
of years ago, you're watching Bryce Young as a rookie
in Carolina and you're like that that is a bad
football team. The Saints. Saints are gonna be bad. Cleveland's
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gonna probably be bad. Cleveland will be interesting. If if
if shod Or Sanders plays Giants. If I if I
told you you know Lamar Jackson played today for the
New York Giants. They've got enough players that would be
a really, really exceptional I think they're just a quarterback away.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
Well yeah, I mean any time, come on, there's.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
A little well, but there's some teams that you know,
I don't think Carolina is a quarterback away.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
I get to guarantee you Lamar could get them nine
ten wins this year by and self.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Okay, So PFF ranks the Giants defensive line third in
the NFL. So I mean that means that means you're
gonna make opposing quarterbacks uncomfortable. That means you're gonna win
some field possession games.
Speaker 4 (28:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
Remember how the Steelers are winning like sixteen to ten
last year. That's what they're gonna do with Russ and Jackson.
Dart and I'll just say this about Dark. Even after
the draft, you could tell the Giants felt they got
their guy, and Jackson won over the media quickly. Brian
Dable kind of gushing about him after this game against
the Bills.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Colin. You remember that story.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
Last week with Sean Payton, how he has this formula
for negative plays that he talked to seth wickershit about. Well,
I punched the formula in for Jackson Dart. He beat
Caleb Williams. Score Caleb Williams coming out of USC. Jackson
Dart does not do negative plays. He sits in the
pocket and processes and delivers. There's some upside here.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
Now.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
I don't know if they're going to be good enough
that the coaches keep their job and he does. But yeah,
I would not be surprised if he were starting by
Halloween for the Giants.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
I used to have a theory before Ben Roethlisberger that
quarterbacks sounded like Carson Palmer. Sounds like an NFL starting quarterback.
Jackson Dart, Okay, that sounds like an NFL starting quarterback.
Shadoor Sanders. That's an NFL starting court justin fields. It
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actually sat well, justin fields, sounding an outside linebackers catching
a little out in the flat. Like the other day,
we had Philip Rivers on his son is name Gunner Rivers.
I would draft him based on name. I wouldn't even
look at the tape. I'd be like Gunner Rivers, the
confidence you would have coming into any athletic event named
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Gunner Rivers.
Speaker 3 (30:14):
You know that My parents considered that for my middle name,
but they went with an Indian name instead.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
That's what your teammates call you, Matt Hasselbeck. I think
Jackson Dark should play immediately. Here's Matt Hasselbeck.
Speaker 7 (30:27):
I grew up in the era of you know, you
sit on the bench for a while. I mean Tom
Brady did that, Aaron Rodgers did that. I know that
was my experience as well. I think the New York
Giants have been burned and so they are really sticking
to the plan. They've invested heavily in veteran quarterbacks, in leadership,
in processed, driven guys who've been there, done it, made mistakes,
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had success in Jameis Winston and Russell Wilson. So I
think they're going to be slow and measured and patient
with Jackson Dark, who they do like a lot. But
I do, but I don't think he's ready. And I
do think the best plan is to start a guy
like Russell Wilson and let Jackson watch.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
Can't wait to watch. We'll see it tomorrow. It's hurt
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Speaker 1 (00:27):
Very interesting. Apparently some people are concerned that Matt Stafford.
People are suggesting what about back surgery, and Sean McVay
said today that has not been a conversation that we've had.
There's been a lot of conversations about what's the best
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method to approach it with That hasn't been something that's
come up, but just the idea that there are conversations
of Matt Stafford and a back surgery. So I have
the Rams is like the second best team in the NFC. Uh,
they're not top eight without Matt Stafford. Like that's that's
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a game changer. So maybe I'll get Old Brock Purty
wedge him in as a deep wild card seed of
the playoffs. We'll see jmack with a news.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
This is the Herdline news, all right, Colin, I think
Tyreek Hill is going to be a hot name to
watch all season due to his trade situation. So he's
been sidelined due to an oblique injury, but he continues
to be in the news during these press conferences, saying
wacky stuff. Said his relationship with Tua as a work
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in progress.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
I mean they're like three years in now.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
According to reports, other NFL teams are monitoring the trade
market for Tyreek Hill. The Chargers and Commanders lead the
way at plus five point fifty. He would be a
flat out game changer for the Chargers.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Oh my gosh, stretching the field.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Mconkee underneath will remember they just lost their left tackle.
Tyreek Hill is at his best deep down the field.
Joe Waltz protecting you. You're weak at the right tackle.
You're going to be doing a lot of deep throws.
I mean, that's never been Hardbaugh's never been a lead,
spent a lot of money on a wide receiver. The
culture right now with the Chargers is excellent. Tyreek Hill
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can disrupt that. None of these I mean the Raiders
is interesting to me because well, I mean, they've got
their tight end, they've got their running back. They could
use an over the Ti in that division with Sean
Payton Reed Herbert, I could argue the Raiders could use
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a downfield game breaker.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
You think Vegas is a good city for Tyreek Hill
right now?
Speaker 1 (02:55):
I don't know. Listen, Guys who are immature, it doesn't
matter where they If you can be immature in Cleveland
or Miami, it doesn't matter that Pete.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
Carroll can can reel him in. It's interesting. The other
team on there is the Commanders. We know that Terry
McLaurin situation.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
They have debo, they have a quarterback on a rookie deal.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Terry mclaurin's the opposite of Tyreek one hundred percent polar opposites.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
But Tyreek Hill with that offense with Jayden Daniels, Hey, listen,
that's kind of sort of spicy. Anyways, I'm on the
prediction train that that Tyreek Hill will be traded sometime
during the season, whatever the trade deadline is. I just
don't see him lasting, Like, why would you. Everything that's
coming out of his mouth is not positive for like
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basically the last year, right.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
I think at some point you just have to accept
what people are. I mean, it'd be one thing if
you're twenty three and immature. You know, people grow obviously,
but if you if you've been in a industry for
you know, seven, eight, nine years, you start looking around
and it's the same stuff, then you just have to
accept that person and stop worrying about changing them. Like
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the person is what the person is.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
All right, Let's move on to Travis Hunter, the electrifying
a rookie ye out of Colorado. He had his preseason
debut for the Jag Saturday. Ten snaps on offense, eight
snaps on defense.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Is this him wrapping up in space?
Speaker 4 (04:16):
Here?
Speaker 3 (04:16):
Now? He whifted on the tackle there. Here's what he
had to say about his about his performance.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Well, nervous, but I thought great, I did pretty good.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
Alphil idea.
Speaker 5 (04:26):
If you have more LA two of these, we would
have here to show the world we could really good.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
We could flush her right away.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
And just get back, get back to business and know
what I gotta do next. For him, he is, he's he's.
I mean when I turn to a game because I
want to watch a dB like he is, he is
something else, man. He looks the part like length, speed,
twitching us. He looks the part.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
We got a side note here from the producer. He
says that the Jags kicker hit a seventy yard field
goal somebod named Caim Little, but it does not count
towards the longest kick in NFL history because it was
the preseason and it looks like he made this with
a few yards to spare.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
That could have been good from seventy two.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
For forever, Tom Dempsey held the record. Who Tom Dempsey
was kind of legendary. He had half a foot, so
he used a shoe almost like it was shaped like
a little bit like a hammer head. Who does hold
the current NFL field goal record? That's a great question
for just beat somebody top. Oh, Justin Tucker, what sixty five?
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Was it sixty six? Okay, Justin Tucker holds it. Yes,
somebody will beat that. I don't know what happened two
years I don't know what happened. I was gonna say
maybe it was an ozempic. Now that would lose weight,
you would lose strength. Something happened about two years ago
and people hit fifty seven yarders. I have no idea
what happened. I mean like two years ago, it was
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like fifty seven was like, oh, that's within range. It
used to be you wouldn't even attempt a fifty seven
yarder if there was any win.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
I wonder, guys, you talk about the seven on seven.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
I wonder if specialization in the kicker position caught on,
Like a decade ago, at the youth levels, people were like, listen,
I'm not gonna be a football player. I can be
a kicker, and you just study it, study it, continue
to get better, and now we're seeing the fruits of
the labor here in two. I mean, you're right, fifty
did not feel like a chore last year. It was like,
not free points, but certainly within range.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Yeah. I don't have any great explana. You're probably right.
They've just it's become a little cottage industry, and there's
better kicking coaches, and there's money at it, and there's
certainly money being a kicker, even a punter.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
The final story calls college football the first a people
the season has been released.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Take a look.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
Who's number one the Texas Longhorns with arch manning Penn State,
who we both have in the national championship at two,
Ohio State three, Clemson.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
You love you some Tigers this year for Georgia five,
Notre Dame six.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
Interesting note here, of the last twenty one teams to
open at number one in the preseason poll, nineteen failed
to win the national championship. Comes via Brett McMurphy. So
number one doesn't really need anything great here. If you're
thinking who's gonna win, I do not think Texas.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
I believe. I believe you have to be in the last.
Ten of the last eleven national champions have been in
the top six in the preseason poll. Look that up.
Ten of the last eleven Natties have come from So
that would be Texas, Penn State, Ohio State, Clemson, Georgia,
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Notre Dame, Oregon. On the outside looking and I think
that's it.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
I'm not seeing your USC, am. I missing them. USC
not even top twenty five.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Well yeah, I mean I here's what I would say.
If you're USC, so will be four years in now,
three and four recruiting classes, three and four transfer classes.
USC's got to be a top twenty five team. I
had this discussion. I saw Mark Carrier yesterday. He's a
great USC trojan. I'm at the gym, I mean, throwing
around massive weight and I run into Mark Carrier, who
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is now the athletic director of a very prestigious local
high school. And uh, and we're taught us. He's at
thirty by the way, and we were we were I
asked him about Lincoln Riley, and we know he's a
smart guy that can coach. But at Oklahoma he inherited
Bob Stoop's culture. The culture was built. We know he
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could coach. I mean, they won eleven games four years
in a row. If he was a stiff, you would
go backwards. So we know he can coach, but there
is a difference like Mike McDaniel, I know can coach.
Can Mike McDaniel in Miami build a culture? And so
USC has gout is spending big money in the nil
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big money, you know, going buying good players. Uh, their staff,
Anthony Len's a great defensive coordinator. They've got they stole
Notre Dames like strength and conditioning coach or GM or
something like that. So if you start looking at Notre
if you start looking at USC, you gotta do better
than thirty like they Now, that doesn't mean they can't
win ten games at end like sixteenth, but their schedule,
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they've got to go to Oregon. If I recall, they've
got to go to Notre Dame. But you can lose
two games and make the playoff. Ohio State lost its
last game two Michigan as a twenty point favorite and
won the Natty.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
So but the optics colin of USC not being top
twenty five, good SMU and Indiana are in there. It's like, what,
that's just unfamiliar territory.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
For the Trojans. Jmack with the news.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
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Speaker 2 (10:24):
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Speaker 1 (10:27):
Here. It is. Every national champ in the college football
Playoff era has begun the season ranked inside the preseason
top six, and ten of those eleven champions were inside
the top five. The only exception was LSU and twenty
nineteen and they were six. So if you're in the
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top six, you're gonna win the Natty that the media
may not be able to pick. And I've said before
the season, I think Texas plays Penn State in the
national Championship. Lincoln's former team, Oklahoma is in the top
twenty five. That's things a little. That Sting's a little
Chris Sims eight years in the NFL from a long
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morn he was joining US. Okay, so I kind of thought,
I kind of thought Senor Sanders was okay. What did
you make of it?
Speaker 5 (11:19):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (11:19):
I think it was better than just so okay.
Speaker 5 (11:21):
I mean, first off, I think when you just take
into account the pressure surrounding the situation, right, I mean,
all the talk he's not getting enough reps, the Cleveland
Browns are trying to screw him.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
Over, blah blah blah.
Speaker 5 (11:32):
Then Okay gets thrust into the starting position and I
don't care if it's preseason or not. When you're a
rookie and you got to start the first preseason game,
it ain't all that easy. But what I like about
shodork Standers, the highlights you're showing right here are perfect.
He's awesome in the pocket. He's more athletic than people realize.
He doesn't flinch with pressure around him. I know his
idyl is Tom Brady. The way he moves around in
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the pocket and stays in throwing positions, it does remind
me of that. And he's the ultimate gamer. That's one
thing I knew. He was so great. Start for him,
and he's certainly gonna make that whole quarterback controversy.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
They're more controversial, Okay, so I said this morning, Jackson
Dart played forty one games and arguably the best conference,
with an NFL level coach in Lane Kiff and a
sophisticated offense. He's ready to play. Now, maybe you give
Russell snap one, but Chris, I mean plause, you didn't
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get this when you were young. Maybe you did, but
the kids now not only get forty one starts, they
get seven on seven camps, they get private coaching and too. Now,
your dad was an NFL quarterback, so you had some advantages.
But like to me, forty one college snaps under Lane Kiffin,
I don't want to hear about while he's young. I mean,
why not play him?
Speaker 4 (12:47):
Yeah, no, I hear the world's changed.
Speaker 5 (12:49):
You said it right, seven on seven hamps, passing academies
all that. And just to be clear, my dad didn't
do Jack Middley's swat with me until I got the
high school. It's like the first time we ever had
a catch together, all right, just so you know. It
wasn't like quarterback school. But he is NF already, and
I think that's the appeal of Jackson Dart. You said
it right, the competition he played against, the coaching he
got from Lane Tiffin. He knows how to operate an
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NFL offense. They'd want to start him and you know that.
But I think the bigger thing is not about him, Colin,
maybe just a little bit more about the team.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
I think it could be that too.
Speaker 5 (13:21):
They have a very tough start of the schedule at
the start of the year, and you maybe don't want
to throw the rookie into that point.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
Also, I look at it too.
Speaker 5 (13:28):
Their offensive lines going to be a question Mark again,
they might want to wait a few weeks, make sure
Andrew Thomas is totally healthy at left tackle, get that
right before they throw in their new prize possession of
Jackson Dart into the starting lineup. But he did look good.
Another guy is athleticism I think is better than I
even thought coming out of college. And he can read
the field, he can play within the pocket. His arm
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doesn't wow me, but he can play the position and
that's the thing that's most important. He will be the
starter there eventually, and I think they're a two to
three team out of the gates, and I think somewhere
around there you'll see Jacksondrk come in.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Yeah. So everybody except Tom Brady played this weekend. I
mean got Burrow did, Mahomes did, everybody did, and Caleb
Williams didn't. Now, the coach said, listen, he took a
lot of snaps at practice, and I'm may I suggest
that he was like, okay, standalone game, it's going to
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be a big audience. It's like when a tech company delays,
you know, their new gadget and says, you know it's
going to be revolutionary, but you know, we just want
to make sure, it's.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
It felt like it was. It was a little.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Strategic not playing him. Can I be cynical a little?
Speaker 8 (14:43):
No?
Speaker 5 (14:43):
No, I think you're allowed to be cynical here. I
think it's realistic in a lot of ways. First off,
like you talked about everybody, almost every game had starters, right,
didn't mean both teams played starters, but just about every
game this preseason except Rams Cowboys played their starters.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
I think it's going to be a new fat in
the NFL.
Speaker 5 (15:00):
You don't get to play, you don't get to hit,
you don't get to play real football that much. They
going to take advantage of those opportunities. But I think
you're on the right track. My brain with to the
same place, Colin. They don't want to unveil anything until
they feel like it's ready. They've been the most scrutinized
team at all football through preseason so far. So I
think between that and Taylor Williams and the scrutiny there
and a pass number one pick, he's learning and getting
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a crash course and the offense that he has never
had to deal with.
Speaker 4 (15:27):
He's out there.
Speaker 5 (15:27):
I just heard you talking about Lincoln Riley and usc
Hey that offense.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
It doesn't get any more simple than that. Oh, five
receivers getting the shotgun. You run a slant, you run
a slant, and you run a slant. There's nothing to it.
Speaker 5 (15:40):
He's getting trigonometry lessons right now from Ben Johnson. WHOA,
I'm underneath the center. We got nine million formations. We
got fifty checks for every play. I'm calling three plays
in the huddle. So I think a little bit of
what you're saying is right. They want to make sure
everybody offensive and defensively, I think is comfortable before they
put their new team out there for everybody to scrutinize
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a little bit.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
You know, I said this during the Nick Saban run,
is that at playing in Alabama, you may have won
a lot of games, but it didn't prepare you for
the NFL. You always played with the lead, you always
had four NFL offensive linemen, you had the best coach
in best roster. That if you look at the history
of the NFL, it's a lot of big Ben Miami
of Ohio, Drew Breese at Purdue, Philip Rivers, NC State.
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You get your butt kicked in college. So my priston
on JJ McCarthy's last two years. He threw the ball
over thirty times once, almost always played with the lead.
It was a run first team with a dominating defense.
Is that I think? I think. I don't think Michigan
an unbelievable coach in school. I don't think he's ready,
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and I think the injury then put him way way behind.
So my take is we better be patient here because
he may not be close to a bow Knicks in
his first year of playing a lot. Do you think
he lands this year? I would be shocked if it
didn't work out.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
Now.
Speaker 5 (17:05):
The things you bring up, I think are legitimate questions.
You're right there. You'd like him to have had some
more games right through through the ball thirty and forty times.
Speaker 4 (17:14):
But at the same.
Speaker 8 (17:15):
Time, Colin, I'd argue, he didn't play a pro style
football type of attack, you know, maybe an NFL defensive
type of team, and he had to manage the game
that way.
Speaker 4 (17:25):
And when he did get drop.
Speaker 5 (17:26):
Back the pass, it wasn't like, oh, I throw a
screen here or a little bubble screen over here.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
He had to throw the ball and push the ball
down the field.
Speaker 5 (17:33):
What you're seeing him do right gear, And I think
he has an incredible arm, His body looks good. He
definitely put on some weight. O'Connell is a quarterback whisperer.
They're going to be better running the football this year,
I think in Minnesota than we've seen in years past.
And of course he's got the weapons around him on
the outside. But I'll say this to you, Collin, the
way he played quarterback in college at Michigan, that ain't
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always easy.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
You've played pick up in bad basketball.
Speaker 5 (17:58):
You go two or three games or you don't get shot,
and all of a sudden, someone goes, hey, you're open,
shoot it, and you're like, WHOA, I'm not in rhythm here,
haven't I haven't seen one go through the basket yet.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
But he had to deal with that and some tough
situations out in Michigan. So I think he got asked to.
Speaker 5 (18:11):
Play like a throw and it didn't get a lot
of easy completions. Yeah, i'd like more reps, but I
do believe in the guy, and I believe in the
Kevin O'Connell's ability to coach and their ability to evaluate.
I'd be more surprised than not if it doesn't work.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
You know, you're a former Texas Longhorn and I'm just
going to give you the floor on this. I saw
very little of arts Manning. The most impressed I was
is the fact that I think he's significantly better than
quinn Ewers and did not transfer and did not say
a peep. He was a great teammate. That told me
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all I need to know. He's a Manning, he's smart,
he's mature. What are you hearing about the player? Oh,
they're excited about the player. I talked to enough people
down there. They were excited about him last year.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
I knew before the year was over.
Speaker 5 (19:04):
Last year, I got the sense from talking to a
few people down there that they were going to push
quinn Ewers out the door because they thought the potential
and what arch Manning had, what he could break to
the football team. His smart statsphysical abilities could open up
the offense to a degree we haven't really seen under
Steve Sarkisian yet as a play caller. So they're pumped.
You talk about the other stuff. He I mean leader,
(19:28):
everybody says the same thing. The team loves them, doesn't.
Speaker 4 (19:31):
Matter who it is.
Speaker 5 (19:32):
Right, He's humble, he handles himself the right way. He's
got a quick release, he's got a very good arm
and he's an extremely extremely talented athlete. So I think
it's all in the up and up. And yeah, the
Longhorns are back. They're real, that's for sure. And I
think he has a great year. And you know, I
know his grandfather said it.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
The other day. I'd be shocked if he leaves.
Speaker 5 (19:53):
They believe in get those reps you talked about, Get
those reps, get that experience, play in the pock. It's
only going to serve you well when you get to
the NFL, because that's what the game's all about in
the NFL.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
And of course you.
Speaker 5 (20:06):
Know he's got two older uncles that thrive in that environment.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
As we know, Chris Simms, as always, it is great, sane,
my man.
Speaker 5 (20:14):
Hey, you're the man always stood seeing you, buddy. Be good,
all right, I'll talk to you soon.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
Say hi to your dad. Chris Simms, of course, the
son of the great Phil Simms, who's still doing some
media stuff. I what is the line again? J mack
is at two and a half Texas getting two and
a half at Ohio State and College.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
I believe it was bumped up to three.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
Yes, I'm taking the points.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
I'm on Ohio State for sure. I hate to Sayado State.
What is this? Two weeks and we got about nineteen
days to the game. I'm very excited for this game.
By the way, the whole weekend, it's going to be.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
Such a banger for football. College football starts good. Then
the NFL the next weekend. By the way, side note,
I have some people asking me do you play fantasy football?
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Would you play in a league if invited by yours?
Speaker 1 (20:59):
For no? I gamble so DraftKings has Ohio State minus
two and a half. You know here, here's my thing
with fantasy football players. I am four fantasy football players.
But the difference between a gambler and a fantasy football player.
You go to dinner, fantasy football guys argue over the check.
(21:20):
Gamblers pick it up.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
That's a good one.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
But I like that. All right, wrap it up. It's
the hurt.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
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Speaker 1 (21:47):
For the record, Bill Belichick at Home is a three
point underdog in his first foray into college football coaching.
They've got I don't. The question is geo Lopez is
kind of a smaller athletic quarterback that runs around. He
was six wins, six losses, something like that at South Alabama.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
We don't know.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
I've seen YouTube. I really have no idea. I mean,
Belichick's a defensive guy, so you kind of get what
you get. Athletic guy runs around. We'll see. I don't
know it. They added a top ten transfer class with
over forty incoming players, so that's a lot of mentoring
and teaching. Each of the last three recruiting classes with
(22:33):
Mac Brown as he aged, were not great. So they
don't have that tells me that don't have a ton
of talent. Mac was an elite recruiter early and in
the prime of his career, not as much late. So
they went out and got Belichick probably perused all of
his talent and said, we just need more guys Carolina boosters.
That school's got a lot of money, especially for basketball,
stepped up and so it's just it's in your You
(22:56):
got a guy that was six and six at South Alabama,
not I've had eighteen touchdowns, five picks, pretty accurate, six
feet two hundred pounds, little undersized guy that runs around.
Gill Lopez will see. But they're gonna have a new quarterback,
a new head coach, new coordinators, sixteen new starters, so
thank god, outside of Clemson, they'll never be I would
(23:19):
imagine much more than a three point underdog. It's almost
like remember when Dion got to Colorado and I think
they were an underdog the TCU, and then they clabbered
him or something, didn't they and they colabored it because
DCU was an established program and had a bunch of
really good players the year before, and they all had
a pretty big, if I recall, like a draft class.
(23:41):
So we'll see the story of the day today. I
think one of them is a shadeur Sanders. Chris sim
said it. I thought he looked the part. I think
everything I thought about him coming into the NFL moves
well enough, good size, plays comfortably, very accurate. That's what
(24:01):
we saw again. You better be he doesn't have great traits,
so speeding tickets, worry about local radio guys, legendary draft
day room butchered his interview with the New York Giants,
which I've had revalidated over the weekend. That's bad stuff.
(24:23):
So he the less dynamic. Your traits are the more dynamic.
You have to be pre snap and in the film room.
So we don't know about that. But here's Matt Hasselback
earlier on his performance.
Speaker 7 (24:37):
Will the Cleveland Browns have the courage to keep four quarterbacks?
And courage is the word I'm using because it's like
no one else does that. It doesn't make any sense.
This is a team that has gone without a quarterback
for so long that they might just say, hey, listen,
it's that important of a position. We like what we
have here, the traits that he's showing, Let's hold on
(24:58):
to him and develop him on the field. He doesn't
give me pause at all. He doesn't worry me at
all off the field, and what he's like in the
locker room. That's the part that I just don't know.
There are some red flags.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
We'll see who's Cleveland play next. I thought it was
pretty good. I you know, I I do think it's
interesting that I wonder if Shaud Shadeur's brother. According to
j Max Shadour's brother, that tape of him talking to
Tony Grossi, Chaduur's brother, this was a plan. Hey let's
(25:34):
I'm gonna go and confront him, and it goes down
to again. Well, why in the world are you worried
about that? Give me a break. Oh, Browns are at
the Eagles. Phillies planned none of their starters, Lennon Dickerson
got hurt the old lineman, so Philly's not gonna play,
and the Browns then face the Rams. Stafford will not play,
so and then it's the regular season. Did you I
(25:57):
I watched a lot of the I sat yesterday in
the day before and watched a ton not Saturday. I
was busy Saturday. They live to in Chicago. Friday night.
I watched football yesterday all day long. I sat and
watched the NFL. Tyson beagent for the Chicago Bears. You
shake your head, that is when I watch him. That
(26:18):
is a potentially top five backup in the league. He's
a backup. Whoa, you don't think so.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
Top five backup based.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
So what based on eye test? No? I mean secret ball?
Well no, I mean I'm saying backup?
Speaker 2 (26:35):
Who were?
Speaker 1 (26:36):
The bar is not super high, but I don't know.
I watched Tyson bagent. He can run, got a sixteen
play drive, He's got a good arm.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
He had some moxie last year when he flashed, but
it was mocked me. See again, let's not read too
much in a preseason with backups and no coaches want
to reveal anything that they're going to actually put. They
don't want to put anything on tape that they're going
to be using all season. A lot of vanilla stuff here.
Let's let's pump the brakes on on on Beijing.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Okay, so Beijing, Tyson Beijen. So let's ask this, what
about Jackson Dart. He looked pretty good.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
Yeah, well, it's interesting you hyped him up.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
New York Giants fans are doing cartwheels over Abdull Carter.
Oh he really played and he was dominant. Yeah yeah, yeah,
now get.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
To block him and.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
No, no, no, Abdull Carter looked really good. But the
defensive line is the strength of the team. So he'll
just add to Dexter Lawrence and Kevon Thibodeau. They that
will be the strength of that. That's why I've said
the Giants, the Giants are not hopeless. Remember a couple
of years ago, you're watching Bryce Young as a rookie
in Carolina and you're like that that is a bad
football team. The Saints. Saints are gonna be bad. Cleveland's
(27:50):
gonna probably be bad. Cleveland will be interesting. If if
if shod Or Sanders plays Giants. If I if I
told you you know Lamar Jackson played today for the
New York Giants. They've got enough players that would be
a really, really exceptional I think they're just a quarterback away.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
Well yeah, I mean any time, come on, there's.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
A little well, but there's some teams that you know,
I don't think Carolina is a quarterback away.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
I get to guarantee you Lamar could get them nine
ten wins this year by and self.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Okay, So PFF ranks the Giants defensive line third in
the NFL. So I mean that means that means you're
gonna make opposing quarterbacks uncomfortable. That means you're gonna win
some field possession games.
Speaker 4 (28:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
Remember how the Steelers are winning like sixteen to ten
last year. That's what they're gonna do with Russ and Jackson.
Dart and I'll just say this about Dark. Even after
the draft, you could tell the Giants felt they got
their guy, and Jackson won over the media quickly. Brian
Dable kind of gushing about him after this game against
the Bills.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Colin. You remember that story.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
Last week with Sean Payton, how he has this formula
for negative plays that he talked to seth wickershit about. Well,
I punched the formula in for Jackson Dart. He beat
Caleb Williams. Score Caleb Williams coming out of USC. Jackson
Dart does not do negative plays. He sits in the
pocket and processes and delivers. There's some upside here.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
Now.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
I don't know if they're going to be good enough
that the coaches keep their job and he does. But yeah,
I would not be surprised if he were starting by
Halloween for the Giants.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
I used to have a theory before Ben Roethlisberger that
quarterbacks sounded like Carson Palmer. Sounds like an NFL starting quarterback.
Jackson Dart, Okay, that sounds like an NFL starting quarterback.
Shadoor Sanders. That's an NFL starting court justin fields. It
(29:48):
actually sat well, justin fields, sounding an outside linebackers catching
a little out in the flat. Like the other day,
we had Philip Rivers on his son is name Gunner Rivers.
I would draft him based on name. I wouldn't even
look at the tape. I'd be like Gunner Rivers, the
confidence you would have coming into any athletic event named
(30:11):
Gunner Rivers.
Speaker 3 (30:14):
You know that My parents considered that for my middle name,
but they went with an Indian name instead.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
That's what your teammates call you, Matt Hasselbeck. I think
Jackson Dark should play immediately. Here's Matt Hasselbeck.
Speaker 7 (30:27):
I grew up in the era of you know, you
sit on the bench for a while. I mean Tom
Brady did that, Aaron Rodgers did that. I know that
was my experience as well. I think the New York
Giants have been burned and so they are really sticking
to the plan. They've invested heavily in veteran quarterbacks, in leadership,
in processed, driven guys who've been there, done it, made mistakes,
(30:49):
had success in Jameis Winston and Russell Wilson. So I
think they're going to be slow and measured and patient
with Jackson Dark, who they do like a lot. But
I do, but I don't think he's ready. And I
do think the best plan is to start a guy
like Russell Wilson and let Jackson watch.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
Can't wait to watch. We'll see it tomorrow. It's hurt
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