August 15, 2025 • 43 mins
Doug Gottlieb, in for Colin, dives into the details of Michigan's punishment from the NCAA and explains why not vacating wins or a title makes perfect sense. Andy Staples of On3 Sports joins Doug to give further insight on the punishment and discuss the impact it could have on the Big Ten. Plus, free burgers in Milwaukee is causing people to reach a crazy level!
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So Michigan gets punished, and here here's what you're going
to Readkay, here's what you're going to read. You're going
to read that there's a fifty thousand dollars fine, right,
and that it's also ten percent of the football budget,
a fine equivalent to the anticipated postseason competition revenue sharing
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associate with this and next year's college football seasons. That's
that's that's big, big numbers right there. Big numbers. Okay,
A twenty five percent reduction in football official visits during
the twenty five to twenty six season, that doesn't really
make that big atent. Okay, And Connor Stallion's Jim Harbaud,
Denard Robinson, even Shroan Moore is gonna suspended one additional game.
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He's suspended two games this year. There's gonna be a
third one. But the big thing is that the projection
is a thirty million dollar fine Michigan, thirty million dollar fine.
That's a lot of money. Now, can you make it up?
Of course, you have one hundred thousand seat stadium, it's
going to be full. You can charge up ticket prices,
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you can raise some more money, but that's thirty million
dollars that you planned on budgeting having that you won't have,
and you're going to lose the college football playoff revenue
you were going to get as well. And I'm going
to commend the NCAA again, I don't. I don't think
the violations were that big of a deal. I don't.
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But what they've done is they found a way to
punish the school, right, without truly punishing the players at
the school, right, Like none of these they're not losing
a game, they're not losing a chance to play for
a championship. We're not taking down a banner. But what
we're doing is we're crippling your chance to compete and
go out and spend a bunch of money. Reality is,
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I don't know how much it affects football as much
as the other sports, the non revenue generating sports, And
I'm guessing at Michigan that's everything outside of basketball and football,
men's basketball and football. But yeah, I think that what
is at steak here? Okay, what was this steak? Here?
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Is the NCAA trying to find a way to find
the perfect punishment going forward. This is a This is
a seed change in NCAA history because in any other
punishment in the past, what would have happened. Scholarship productions
postseason ban and take down a banner? Right, that's like
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their thing, scholarship productions, postseason ban, take down a banner. Well,
here's the problem. Scholarship productions don't they do work. They
cripple you going forward in the future. But now, when
you have a set number. I think it's one hundred
and five college football players. It's called a roster cap.
So if you had not if you just if you
took away scholarships, they can have their collective pay for
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the scholarship or pay for the all the fees. Under said,
that makes sense. It's like you can do this when
you if you want to buy a kid a car.
You can't give them a car. You can't buy the
car and let him use it, but you can pay
him the money that he then pays for the car.
Making sense. Okay, So for this, if you take away scholarships,
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all you're doing is they got they can be creative
and find a way to cover the cost of those
scholarships with their collective, which can be done the postseason
ban well. Very few of the parties that were part
of this issue at Michigan a couple years ago are
still on campus. So what does that really do? And
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taking down a banner we've seen in the past, that
doesn't matter, That doesn't make sense, none of it. So
I'm just gonna tell you I think this is if
it stands up in court, this is the future of
NCAA punishments. And I actually think it's pretty smart. Does
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it cripple Michigan football? It hurts them, definitely hurts them
in perception more with fans and with the lums than
it does with players. Like guys, don't they don't care?
Can I still play for a championships? I still play
for Michigan and some a Michigan degree is still important.
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My guess is here's what happens. This is just a guess.
Next year becomes the year where all of this affects
the football program, and I'm guessing that Sharon Moore ends
up because i'ming the fall guy for it. Most coaches
who deal with NCAA infractions don't survive to the next contract.
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It's just too hard. And in this case, if you
don't have the money, you can't compete. It's really that simple.
If you don't have the money, you can't compete. Do
I think they can move some money over from other sports? Yeah,
they can find ways to be creative that if we
pay this fine out of our football budget, we'll just
find ways to get, you know, out of budget things,
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and we'll make it work. But I don't know how
many people know this did two or three years ago
coming out of COVID when the Big twelve added schools.
Because they added schools but the new TV deal hadn't
taken place, there was like a five to six million
dollars shortfall, do you guys know that? And schools had
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to decide whether or not they would just pay the
five or six million dollars upfront or they pay over
a two year period. And I know of one school
that in the summer they decided, hey, we don't need
air conditioning and in the winter, we don't need heat
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in our buildings. It'll save us a million dollars. It's
a real thing. Right in the summer, nobody's around. If
you're going to have workouts you have in the morning,
you have in the in the practice facility, but in
the arenas, which are really expensive to heat and to cool,
you just cut that off for a year and some
calculations you save a million dollars. So, yeah, you got
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to pay six million dollars out of the show. You
have six million dollars less coming in, but you're spending
a million dollars less over a two year period not
turn on the heat and not turn in the air.
It really is that slim of margins in high major universities.
So what do I think happens. You know, what I
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think happens, quite honestly, is is that Michigan football next
year takes a real hit. But Michigan's other programs in
their athletic department are going to take the most severe hit.
Because if you move five hundred thousand dollars off of
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softball to cover the loss of like, all of this
stuff matters. It's all connected. And as it stands, even
with the most financially successful and rich universities, they're all
working on tight margins now because you hadn't been able
to plan for paying kids, you know, a salary cap
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of twenty twenty five million dollars. And what happens, And
just so people understand the ruling where schools get, I
think it's twenty two million a year to spend on
revenue share. The biggest chunk of that, like thirteen million
is proposed to be you can use for football. That's
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only a portion of it. The rest at the high high,
highest level they get we call it sweeteners right where Texas, Oklahoma, Alabama, Nebraska,
and order to be successful, you can't build a team
on thirteen million dollars. You need like twenty five million dollars.
So the twelve million dollars is in donations to an
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NIL collective, which is on top of what they're getting
from the universities with revshare. But all that money off
of Revshare, the money that they're making from the Big
Ten network from where all the Big Ten games being
on TV on Big noon kickoff. Whatever that money was,
there was a plan for it, and now they have
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to spend you know, twenty two million of it on
players in mostly in football and basketball and occasionally in
an additional sport. So you're already on a tight budget.
You cut out ten percent sent thirty million dollar fine,
and now the money's got to come from somewhere. Well,
you're still going to invest in the programs that make
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you money, right, So there was already the talk and
this is mostly non powerful of Hey, a lot of
these ancillary sports are not going to survive. They're just
not you know, lacrosse, track and field, these tennis, these
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sports are expensive and they remember it's not just you
have to have the players there. Sometimes you have to
pay those players to compete if you want to get
the good ones, right, And then oh, Yeah, by the way,
you have the facilities, the coaches, the facility up keep
as well. All that's expensive. If you cut off the sport,
you're saving a couple of dollars. You just do a
club sport. I think that may trigger not a canceling
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of sports at Michigan, but it's definitely going to affect
their entire athletic department, the whole thing. And I'm only
commending the NCAAA. I'm only doing it, Okay, only doing
it because this is where it hurts, right, this is
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where it hurts. There's no tongue lashing or taking down
banners or taking away scholarships or doing anything fake college football,
college basketball, your chance to be successful. It's all about
your financial resources, right. And they just cut out. They
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cut the toes off of Michigan. They didn't cut the
legs off. They'll still be able to compete. You've still
got a lot of money. You can still make some
of it back. But thirty million is thirty million, man,
thirty million is thirty million. Here's what we're gonna do.
We're gonna check in with Andy Staples coming up next
in the Herd. Will Michigan's punishment have an impact on
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the Big Ten this season. Plus we'll dive more into
the details around the nca IS ruling with Andy Staples.
That's next. I'm Doug Gotlieve this The Herd.
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for Colin cowhert Andy, what's what's your reaction to the
punishment handed down to Michigan.
Speaker 6 (13:32):
I think the Committee on Infractions looked at every potential
penalty at Mike Levy and said, is this going to
get the NCAA sued by Michigan? And as soon as
they get the answer to no, they said, that's the penalty.
And so they didn't do anything that was going to
make this drag out any longer because postseason Van would
have done that, Michigan would have fired back very quickly.
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Uh More suspension of Sharon more than they gave him,
would have caused Michigan a fireback. Decating wins or stripping
tight would have caused Michigan the fireback, and they did
not want that smoke.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
Yeah, I would, I would, I would agree. Okay. So
I think though, that this is the wave of penalties
in the future. Right, We've been doing this for a
long time. Usually they do postseason ban, take down banners,
take away scholarships. You can't take away scholarships now because
the collective will just pay for it.
Speaker 6 (14:25):
Right, that does not even that, Doug, you, You really
can't take away scholarships now because those are roster spots
that are governed by the House versus the NCAA settlement.
So if you took away scholarships or roster spots, however
you wanted to describe it, you're gonna get your ass
dragged into federal court.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
Yeah that's crazy, that's crazy. Okay. So let's let's let's
get to let's get to how it affects Michigan in
the short term. What does it do for their season
this year?
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Nothing.
Speaker 6 (14:58):
They already knew that Shron is going to be suspended
for the Central Michigan game, which, by the way, the
funniest possible game they they could suspended for because that
was the one the place where Connor Stallion showed up
on the sideline. Also, the Nebraska game, the reason they
did this this way, Doug is thrown Moore's in Oklahoma
grad They played Oklahoma in game two. So instead of
just saying he's going to miss the first two games
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of the season, when Michigan was trying to negotiate a
resolution for Sharon Wore, they offered up these two particular
games so that he'd be able to coach against Oklahoma.
The committee just said, we accept that, but you also
got to miss the first game of next season.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
Okay, so how does the Michigan moving forward?
Speaker 6 (15:42):
It doesn't because Michigan's rich. Now this is this is
one of the things like where you're coaching, if you
get hit with a penalty like that, then it's it's significant.
It hurts. But when you are at Michigan and you
have that level of donor and you can just round
up the donors and say, hey, guys, we would need
an additional thirty five million dollars to cover the shortfall
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based on our fines of the next few years, but
it will allow us to continue throwing double middle fingers
at the NCUAA. The donors are probably just going to say, hey,
cash check venmo wire trends, what do you need we're
gonna get you that money. This would be much more
painful at a mid major, at a you know, a
sundult school, accomperence USA school.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
I think it affects them the other sports at Michigan, right,
because yes they're rich. Okay, yes they're rich, but you
weren't planning on paying players. Now you're paying players, and
you're paying them more than you ever thought you were
going to pay them. And the money's got to come
from somewhere. And while they can eventually make it up,
the only way to make it up in the short
term is to make some cuts. And my guess is
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I mean the.
Speaker 6 (16:49):
Other sports, of the other sports been subsidized by football
the entire time. It's a little bit of okay, so
maybe we get a little bit less. But thanks for
keeping us afloat for all these years.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
Yeah, yeah, that's fair, it's I guess. But I mean
you you run the risk of losing those sports. Maybe
maybe not at Michigan.
Speaker 6 (17:10):
No, not at Michigan. This, like I said, at another school,
a non you know, blue blood, non loaded school, this
hurts a lot more that the old Jerry Tartanian line
that in the NCT so mad at Western Kentucky or
so mad at Kentucky they killed Cleveland State, Like, if
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this happens to Cleveland State, it's horrible. Yeah, But if
this happens to Michigan, or to Alabama or to Georgia,
it's really no big deal.
Speaker 7 (17:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
I think the big question is that does that thirty
million dollars get redistributed that especially to the schools like ours,
We'll take it. Hey, we'll take our little cut.
Speaker 6 (17:48):
I was thinking about that because somebody asked me that,
like the bulk of this money is money cut that
would come from the Big Ten. That's a cut of
the college football playoff money. So does it go to
the other eighteen Big Ten schools or they have a
seventeen Big Ten schools like that because or does the
conference just pocket it? I don't really know how that works.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
Well, it's a fine, so they have to send it
to the NCAA. So then what does the NCAA do redistributed.
Speaker 6 (18:13):
Well no, no, no, it just means they can't take the way.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
They can't take their cuts.
Speaker 6 (18:17):
They can't. Yeah, they can't take their cuts. So they
have the Big Ten, I guess gets to decide what
to do with it.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
I am going to disagree with you from this standpoint.
I don't think that there's no effect because they're rich.
I do think that while it doesn't feel like budgets
are tight, they are tighter than you think. And I
do think that this this hurts them, But again I don't.
Speaker 6 (18:38):
It's not the place where if you need a quarterback,
they just Larry Ellison's wife like, hey, Larry, can you
throw in ten million dollars to get Rice under what? Sure,
no problems, but if it was any polace else, I'd
probably agree with you.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
Andy Staples join us here. I'm Doug Gollig feeling for Colin.
This is the hurt. What about college football? Like, how
do we have any true idea? And I ask you
that because North Carolina's got seventy new guys mile modern
Oklahoma State's got sixty five new guys and you're talking
about fifteen padded practices before they start playing. How do
we know if anybody's any good?
Speaker 2 (19:11):
We don't.
Speaker 6 (19:12):
We don't. So we talked to my gun, the Oklahoma
State's coach, Big twelve media days, and he told us, guy,
there's probably seventy five percent of the too deep that
at that point had not even practiced with Oklahoma State
at Now that's an extreme situation because most schools, at
least you get most of your rosters coming in after
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the winter portal and they go through sprint practice. But
Oklahoma State was a very extreme situation this year. But
you're right, we don't know. And even at schools where
like I'll give you an example, LSU. You know, LSU
we think is going to be a really good team.
They bring back Garrettuttmyer's one of the best quarterback in the country,
but they made such moves in the transfer portal about
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half their defense is transfer players that they brought in.
We think that's going to make them definitely better on
because we have no idea, Like we will not know
until we see them playing at Clinton's week one.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
No idea. I mean, heck, you got Ohio State Texas
week one of the season. I mean that's a national
championship caliber game. And I mean this is taking a
pie out of the oven that is not fully cooked.
Speaker 6 (20:21):
Yeah. Now, at least with those two, those rosters are
not so transfer heavy. You know, they didn't They don't
really have to because they do tend to recruit so
well out of high school. But you know, the further
down you go, and especially at places where they just
changed coaches, it's wild. I'll give you the wildest example
of this. So last year, Marshall wins the Sun Belt
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and Marshall and Charltof, the coach had kind of gotten sideways,
and it was clear Charltof was not going to get extended.
He was going to go somewhere else. So he goes
to Southern Myths, which is also in the Sun Belt,
but was the last place team in the Sun Belt,
and he essentially brings like a third of Marshall's starting
lineup to Southern Myths. So what would have been the
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returning SUNDLT champion team is now playing for the last
place team, and who knows what that does to how
good they are.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
It's crazy. I mean, it's just it's crazy. I've always
thought that the transferring to a rival or in conference
is I've never agreed with it. I think most people
are that way. There's so many other schools you can
go to. But now it's it's a complete freedom of movement.
It's who's the most interesting program? I have one in mind,
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but who's your most interesting program?
Speaker 7 (21:42):
This year?
Speaker 6 (21:44):
Well, you're an Oklahoma state guy, I'll go with your
bedroom rivals, Oklahoma. I think they're really interesting this year
because one of the hardest schedules you've ever seen in
your life. Brett Minnibles is under extreme pressure to win,
but they bring in John Mattier, be of the very
wide open Vendo account, who I think is going to
be one of the better transfer quarterback in the country
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this year. He was the most sought after transfer in
the in the portal this year, so I'm excited to
see what he does. Because their offense was essentially non
functional last year for a variety of reasons. But if
their offense is significantly better, defense is good. So you're
talking about a team that should be able to compete
at the highest level. But their last seven games is
the hardest seven game stretch I think I've ever seen
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in my life.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
For people who are unaware of Oklahoma schedule, let me
let me read you those last seven games, so you know,
and that's not counting Michigan at home, that's not counting Auburn.
Who Auburn at home? Last seven games are Texas in
Dallas at South Carolina is very good. Ole Miss at
home at Tennessee who smacked him last year in Norman
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at Alabama. They go to the Missouri at home, and
they go to they got LSU at home last game
of the year. Well, I think the big thing, you know,
haveing lived there, worked there, followed there covered. It is
like what signifies a good year has to change, especially
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for Oklahoma because they're so used to if we don't
win double digits and before, if you weren't in the
Big twelve championship game, it was a bad year. It
was a disappointing year. And you look at that schedule
and like, if you and eight games, it's a hell
of a year. And for people who have been following
it for one hundred years to hear that is really
really awkward for them.
Speaker 6 (23:30):
It's incredibly frustrating. And it's something that with a sixteen
team SEC and an eighteen team that ten you kind
of have to get used to. Everybody's got to adjust
their expectations here. But Oklahoma is the hardest because you know,
outside of Ohio State, Oklahoma's been the most consistent program
in the country. Like Ohio State never had a down period,
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Oklahoma basically had the one in the mid to late
nineties before Bob Suke's got there. That's it. Other than
that they have dominated, whether it's a Big eight, Big twelve,
and so this is this is a really new world
and a really tough adjustment for them.
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It's the herd here on Fox Sports. Ready, I'm Doug
Gottlieb filling for Collin's funny. That was actually the team
that I thought too. We were weird, Yes, that was
I Look, I thought I thought going to the SEC
was a mistake. I understand that the money is the money,
and they want to compete with all all programs, but
I just I just think they're another SEC school where
they were the school in the Big twelve, and I,
you know, I think that got diminished. I thought they
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should have used that power and tried to be the
Texas of the new Big twelve. Speaking in the new
Big twelve, wasn't great last year, Like, let's just kind
of be honest, right, felt like a Arizona State kind
of came from nowhere to be competitive. This year, you
got k State. Everybody thinks they got a shot. Where
is the Big twelve? Football wise in this entire.
Speaker 6 (24:51):
Mix fascinating because it's so easily matched. You know, there's
probably eight or nineteen you could really make a legitimate
case for to win the conference title this year. And
so it makes the week to week part of the
Big Twelve really fun to watch. It makes the viewing
product excellent. But Brett Yormark, their commissioner, talking about this
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a few weeks ago, they need a couple of programs
to emerge as national title contender type teams. You kind
of have to have the big dogs at the top
to be an effective conference. So like, as the viewer,
I love that I don't know what's going to happen.
And we joke on my show about you know which
should essentially mint a special Big twelve coin that just
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says plus three and a half and minus three and
a half on.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
It, and.
Speaker 6 (25:37):
It's fun now. But for them to get where they
want to go, they need somebody, whether that's Texas Tech
or Baylor or TCU can't state somebody to emerge as
a power.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
Yeah, but I don't know if that's possible because like
you said, they are all the same. That's honestly why
Oklahoma should have stayed. They would have been a power.
But why losing them now makes everybody I mean, maybe
Arizona State. They should they got one hundred thousand students,
they should have more money than God. They finally won,
Like if if he can figure out how to you know,
but he's I'll tell you one of the deals. He's
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still doesn't have an indoor facility and he wants that. Yeah,
my advice would be, no worry about an indoor facility,
stick with the bubble, spend that money on players, and eventually,
you know, they'll they'll build you a taj mahall if
you'd like. That's that's generally the college exactly.
Speaker 6 (26:27):
And they have a freaking stadium carving into a mountain.
I mean, come on, yeah, who wouldn't love that place?
Speaker 3 (26:32):
Well? And did I mention one hundred thousand students and
and and and warmth and tempee.
Speaker 6 (26:37):
Everybody's really good looking there.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
Yes, yes, yes, completely completely agree. Last thing, last thing, Andy,
I'm sure you've heard Thomas Hammock's rant about the college experience, right,
and the value of the college experience and what we're
not teaching players. Is there any way in which we
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slow down the train of all the transfers.
Speaker 6 (27:05):
I think the actually the school's paying will probably slow
it down some because they'll be able to write the
deals in a way that it's going to be a
little more difficult to transfer, or you gonna have a
lease of money on the table to transfer. The real
way to do it is some sort of collective bargaining
with the athletes where you can have a CBA so
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they can't sue you, and you have real rules in
real contracts, and that's that's the easiest way to do it.
The schools just don't want to do it.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
Yeah, well I think they want to do it. You
can't make them employees. There's just there's too many other things.
Speaker 6 (27:43):
But there are ways to not do that. I mean,
you think about like the Screen Actors Guild, for example.
Those aren't full time employees of studios or any those
are all contractors, but they have they have a CBA.
The writers skill they have a CBA, So you can
do it. It's just a little bit different, No.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
It's it's a it's a lot different. If you had
Alabama's fastating this year, right like Kalin de boor it's
year two. It's the job that nobody wants to take, right,
be the guy who replaces Nick Saban. But you get
a guy who's been in the system to be your
starting quarterback. Yeah, what does Klen de Bor have to do? Honestly,
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to stay.
Speaker 6 (28:26):
Employed, you gotta make a playoffs. They're not going to
accept anything short of making the playoffs. But they have
one of the most talented rosters in the country. The
roster that Saban left behind pretty much intact. They lost
a couple, you know, like Kale downs in Ohio State
right after Saban resigned, But for the most part, they
kept a lot of those guys, and then the boy's
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a good job of adding on to it. He's recruited
really well, and their high school recruiting seems to be
tracking not exactly like Saban's was, But that's because this
is a different era more than anything else, and Savans
would have looked like this too. So they have all
the pieces around Ty Simpson, who's the fourth year players
who they named the starting quarterback this week. They have
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all the pieces around him to make this work. I
think they are one of the most talented team in
the country, Doug. I think they're one of the three
or four most talent teams in the country. So if
Ty Simpson is good, and I don't even he doesn't
have to be no world beater. He could be above average.
And I think they're a playoff team.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
You want to know the most interesting part, I'll give you.
I'll give you something you can talk about in your show,
and it's a real thing. And like, I'd love to
know what Simpson makes, right, because he had to win
the job. So he's probably not making a million dollars.
You know, it's probably not. Now, maybe they have maybe
they have a deal in your contract where you get
bumped at the starting quarterback you make seven figures. I
(29:49):
don't know, but the likely it is not, but it
would be genius if you can find program guys to
be your quarterback, because the quarterback is the most expensive
thing you get, right, so if you have a if
you have a quarterback, I mean, that's really what the
downfall of USC that nobody talks about. They were paying
Killer Williams so much money they didn't have money for
everybody else, so they tried to cut corners. Well, you
(30:10):
can't cut corners there if you have a quarterback. That's
not great. It's it's a little bit like the brock
Purty thing in uh with with the Niners, where you
save money at the quarterback, you spread out elsewhere. It
allows the quarterback to just run the system, just get
the ball to the players. That appears to be the
plan at Alabama.
Speaker 6 (30:28):
I like the Trent Williams and as Caden Brockers comparison
very nice. Yeah, although I will stay with USC. They
think they got a guy, the freshman who's on Longstreet.
I don't think he's going to start right away. I
don't want to throw him into the fire immediately, but
it sounds like they feel very good about him going forward.
So Blake and Riley may have his next next gym
(30:50):
of a QB, but it may take a little little
time to bake.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
Yeah, but I do I do think that would be
everybody's just so you know, like as we all talk
and we all try and figure out, like, hey, what's
that guy doing? How can I do it? Do you do?
Do you just pay a couple of guys and everybody
else gets nothing? Do you teer it? Does every member
make a little something and then you let them earn anil?
Do you put bonuses in there? I just it'd be
fascinating to me if you look at the structure of
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what Alabama's doing. Again, I think the high school recruiting thing.
You only do that if you feel like those kids,
especially if like I know, Oklhoma State's doing this, you
feel like you take we want We think Wisconsin kids
will want to stay. Hey, they want to stay, They
want to play in Wisconsin. They only want to play
for the University wisconsonant play for the Badgers or play
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for US, and that's it. And the ones who are
recruiting aren't seen as good enough to play for the
Badgers as of yet. And so we tell them, hey,
look man, you're probably not gonna play year one, maybe
not year two, but three, four, five, and you can
play close to home. We can raise more money, we
can put more people in the seats, and we can
keep more players. That's also what I think a lot
of people are trying to do in the high school recruiting.
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But you have to take high school kids knowing you're
only gonna be able, like in football, play one or
two because the rest is well and.
Speaker 6 (32:02):
The thing is now, you can't you can't stack them
the way that that Saban would stack them and urban
Meyer would stack them. At Ohio State, your you know,
beneath your top eight guys, you're not going to be
able to pay the next group enough because some other
school like North Carolina just did this to Ohio State
where they took an Ohio State commit who's from Ohio,
(32:24):
and like it used to be that nobody from Ohio
would ever decommit from Ohio State. They would never like that.
You don't lose Ohio kids if you're Ohio State. But
in this case, he's probably the you know, the seventeenth
or eighteenth guy if you're talking about technic order the
recruiting class at Ohio State. Well, if North Carolina comes
in and offers them significantly more money and says you'll
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probably get to play pretty quickly. And oh, by the way,
it's Bill Belichick who can presumably develop you for the NFL,
then all of a sudden, it's really hard for an
Ohio State to keep that guy. And so that that's
where it'll be interesting because you see these guys kind
of spreading out. But to your point about building through
the draft versus building through free agency in the NFL,
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we've seen you can. It only works if you build
through the draft. And I think you're still seeing the
Georgians and the Alabama and the ohighest states of the world.
That's what they really want to do. They don't want
to go and have to play. You know, they'll plug
a couple holes, but they don't really want to replace
their team whole. And so like Billy Napier at Florida
(33:30):
got killed for that the first three years, it may
wind up saving him ultimately because he's got an old team.
They didn't quit on him when things were bad. Last year.
They got better and maybe they're good this year.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
Yeah. Any great stuff, man, I'm ready for college football
know you are as well. Thanks so much for joining
us in the Herd.
Speaker 6 (33:47):
Thanks Doug.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
All right, let's get to Greg Tooey with the news.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
No, no, no, this is the Herd Line news.
Speaker 4 (33:57):
What's up, Doug. What's up there? Doing big series in
LA this weekend? Dodgers Padres three game set at Chavez Ravine.
But now, Doug, the Dodgers are looking up in the
NL West. They trail the Padres by a game. Starting
to get a little dicey here in the NL West.
Here was former All Star Matt Holliday last hour on
(34:18):
the Dodgers as we hit the home stretch.
Speaker 8 (34:21):
I think they're just as big a threat to win
the World Series as they were at the beginning of
the season. Now they're not going to win one hundred
and twenty games like maybe we thought with the roster
they constructed. But it's very difficult over one hundred and
sixty two game season for everything to go as planned
and sort of the formula that you put on paper
is going to work out. It's just such a long
(34:41):
season and there's so many factors that play into that.
But when it comes down to a playoff month, I
think they're just as good a position as they were ever.
Speaker 4 (34:51):
He makes a lot of good points, and it's kind
of how you feel, you're you're not really worried about
the Dodgers at that point.
Speaker 3 (34:57):
No, Yeah, they've had a lot of injuries and that's
a lot of season. If they get healthy, if they
get right, And the fact is, like I'm here's what
I am. I want to see what they do against
the Padres in this stretch. Yeah, because the Padres, this
is man. They they like to talk some ish. They
they're a little nastier than other teams. And I know
you're thinking like baseball, like it's baseball, Like now, remember
(35:18):
the other Dave Roberts. Was the ball thrown at him?
Thing right, the nontroversy deal. Yeah, I want to see
what that feels like. And as much I want to
see at the ravine, I want to see it.
Speaker 7 (35:32):
Pet.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
That's gonna be real, That's gonna be wild.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
We'll wrapping up with this.
Speaker 4 (35:36):
So Mike Brabel continues to get right in the middle
of things in New England. This week, he was asked
by a long time PATS reporter Phil Perry about Stefan
Diggs being concerned about his Week one availability. Here was
the exchange.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
He's not sure about his readiness for week one?
Speaker 6 (35:50):
Did you really believe that?
Speaker 7 (35:51):
Phil?
Speaker 6 (35:52):
And then you you're a smart guy.
Speaker 5 (35:53):
I don't know where you went to school.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
It wasn't Ohio State, Like, do you really believe that?
Do you really believe that?
Speaker 7 (35:59):
Phil?
Speaker 2 (35:59):
Are you just trying to being with some I'm.
Speaker 6 (36:01):
Not baitd Okay.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
He did say he wasn't sure he'd be great.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
Requent is there any doubt in your mine?
Speaker 6 (36:05):
I don't know the context of which he said it,
but you'd have to help me. I mean, he's been
out here almost every day. I'm excited to where he's
at and we'll see when we want to him.
Speaker 4 (36:16):
So, Doug, you have the honor of being a coach
and working in the media. Yeah, was he trying to
bait Rabel? And how do you feel when this happens
to you as a coach? Do you feel like you
get baited? Sometimes?
Speaker 3 (36:28):
I don't feel like it. Well, okay, there's a I
think a guy who does an excellent job a local writer,
and I don't think he baits. But it was like,
we had a conversation where we were talking about a
bunch of things and I said, hey, you know, he's like, well,
what's going to change with radio? And I was like,
(36:50):
well nothing. I was like, I don't know. Maybe maybe
there's a chance I take a day off if I
feel like I need to focus for a day on
a particular game. I mean, all the honest thing is
I actually need the radio the day of the game
because otherwise I just you just sit there in your
room watching film over it like your board. Yeah, there's
(37:10):
nothing you can do. Yeah, if you're not prepared, I
would understand, But there's no cramming in college basketball anyway.
So how the story came out was different than how
what we were talking about, because you know, and so
you do have to be very careful with it. And
people ask me all the time, what have you learned
the most? Well, I've learned that I'm not a head coach.
(37:33):
I'm the CEO, right, But I've also learned it just
say less. That's as much as I as much as
I want to explain everything, like, nobody cares. What's going
to change. Nothing. We're still doing the radio show. It's
gonna be awesome. I'm more focused. I have my own
personal assistant, so everything is way more prepared for everything
that I do. And our team is better. Our team
(37:54):
is older, our coaching staff knows the rhythm of everything.
We're going to be better across the board. Periods do
move on. Next question. So I don't know if it's
necessarily baiting, but yeah, it's leading the witness. There you go.
That's the news.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
Well, that's the news, and thanks for stopping The Herd
Line news.
Speaker 3 (38:14):
The greatest or maybe most interesting nine to one one
call you're gonna hear. Don't worry, you're gonna laugh. It's
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Show on YouTube and subscribe. Okay, So have you guys
heard about the Brewers and the Burgers? Yeahs heard about this? No? No, okay.
There's a place called George Web. It's a small chain
in Milwaukee, and apparently this has been going on for
(39:08):
a long time George Web Restaurants. I have had this
deal a twenty three local restaurants that if the Brewers
win twelve consecutive games, anybody who comes in, and it's
since the nineteen forties, anybody who comes in gets free
burger between twelve pm and six pm. Right, think about that. So,
(39:36):
in the process of this winning streak, they were winning
their twelfth game. That's when this call came into nine
to one.
Speaker 7 (39:44):
One, King two twenty seven at George twelve one nine
five five five West Blue Mountain Road called nine to
one one because they won't get them as free burgers
for the Brewers game today. As advised, the game wasn't
over yet. Not sure if the subject is still standing by.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
Think about that for a second. Guy wants his burger
so bad he goes to the restaurant before the game
is actually completed. Right now. The downside is it's kind
of a snap sad snapshot of society. Right, you want
another plus side there is that You're like, what's the positive, Well,
(40:24):
there's two positives. One that these type of randoms are
paying attention to baseball. I think that's right. That's the
It's like the SEC says it means more, but I
don't know any nine one one calls coming about free
meals in the SEC. That's pretty good. And the second
part is if you know anything about Milwaukee and you
know some of the strife they've had, some of the
(40:45):
racial issues they've had, especially in Racine. Right, if this
is the biggest problem in Milwaukee, remember there's flooding last
weekend eleven twelve inches of rain in a day was crazy, right,
Even the Brewers Stadium American Family Field, the parking lots
were flooded and they drained it out just before the game.
If this is the biggest problem that dudes are calling
(41:07):
nine to one one because they're not getting it, go
back my free burger, A tasty burger.
Speaker 4 (41:16):
It is a tasty burger, Doug to what extreme would
you go to to get a free promotion? Oh, pits free,
it's me guy, really yeah wow, Like there's twenty three
locations and I love burgers, and I would probably hit
several of those locations. I mean, and and here's how
cheap and low budget all my friends are. We would
(41:36):
get water.
Speaker 3 (41:38):
Right, like you're supposed to go in there, like you know, fries, coke,
maybe a milkshake, maybe something else, maybe a second burger.
You get that first burger free, Like I was like, no, no,
I mean when we I grew up in Testing cal
went Orange, California, went high school in Testing California, the
player of the week used to get what's the sizzler?
Yeah you? And so we wait till like the third
(42:00):
week in a row, and there'd be three guys would
have it, and they would bring three guys with them
because we were so low budget, Like, hey, we just
all use it and we'll sit around like, who's gonna know, right, Danny,
super slam is only a buck ninety nine. I'm gonna
eat that as often as possible. So what to what extent?
A lot?
Speaker 2 (42:17):
Okay?
Speaker 4 (42:18):
Would you be the guy who uh asked for a
water cup and then put gas in it all the time?
Speaker 3 (42:23):
Yes, yes, yes, I hate now. What I've what I've
taken to now is I will do it only because
I'm trying to cut as much sugar for my diet
as possible. I will do water and then just a
little little little tap, little tap of lemonade so I
get a little lemon water twist. But yes, I've done
(42:44):
the water. That's who I am. Man. I can't. I
can't suddenly not become cheap when I'm being cheap, you know.
But all over tip, you know, I would overtip, but
I would not not spend on a soda cup. Collin's
back on Monday. What Colin got right? What Colin got wrong?
Have a great weekend. Colin learned to wear a hat
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Speaker 4 (01:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
So Michigan gets punished, and here here's what you're going
to Readkay, here's what you're going to read. You're going
to read that there's a fifty thousand dollars fine, right,
and that it's also ten percent of the football budget,
a fine equivalent to the anticipated postseason competition revenue sharing
(01:29):
associate with this and next year's college football seasons. That's
that's that's big, big numbers right there. Big numbers. Okay,
A twenty five percent reduction in football official visits during
the twenty five to twenty six season, that doesn't really
make that big atent. Okay, And Connor Stallion's Jim Harbaud,
Denard Robinson, even Shroan Moore is gonna suspended one additional game.
(01:52):
He's suspended two games this year. There's gonna be a
third one. But the big thing is that the projection
is a thirty million dollar fine Michigan, thirty million dollar fine.
That's a lot of money. Now, can you make it up?
Of course, you have one hundred thousand seat stadium, it's
going to be full. You can charge up ticket prices,
(02:15):
you can raise some more money, but that's thirty million
dollars that you planned on budgeting having that you won't have,
and you're going to lose the college football playoff revenue
you were going to get as well. And I'm going
to commend the NCAA again, I don't. I don't think
the violations were that big of a deal. I don't.
(02:39):
But what they've done is they found a way to
punish the school, right, without truly punishing the players at
the school, right, Like none of these they're not losing
a game, they're not losing a chance to play for
a championship. We're not taking down a banner. But what
we're doing is we're crippling your chance to compete and
go out and spend a bunch of money. Reality is,
(03:02):
I don't know how much it affects football as much
as the other sports, the non revenue generating sports, And
I'm guessing at Michigan that's everything outside of basketball and football,
men's basketball and football. But yeah, I think that what
is at steak here? Okay, what was this steak? Here?
(03:29):
Is the NCAA trying to find a way to find
the perfect punishment going forward. This is a This is
a seed change in NCAA history because in any other
punishment in the past, what would have happened. Scholarship productions
postseason ban and take down a banner? Right, that's like
(03:54):
their thing, scholarship productions, postseason ban, take down a banner. Well,
here's the problem. Scholarship productions don't they do work. They
cripple you going forward in the future. But now, when
you have a set number. I think it's one hundred
and five college football players. It's called a roster cap.
So if you had not if you just if you
took away scholarships, they can have their collective pay for
(04:16):
the scholarship or pay for the all the fees. Under said,
that makes sense. It's like you can do this when
you if you want to buy a kid a car.
You can't give them a car. You can't buy the
car and let him use it, but you can pay
him the money that he then pays for the car.
Making sense. Okay, So for this, if you take away scholarships,
(04:41):
all you're doing is they got they can be creative
and find a way to cover the cost of those
scholarships with their collective, which can be done the postseason
ban well. Very few of the parties that were part
of this issue at Michigan a couple years ago are
still on campus. So what does that really do? And
(05:02):
taking down a banner we've seen in the past, that
doesn't matter, That doesn't make sense, none of it. So
I'm just gonna tell you I think this is if
it stands up in court, this is the future of
NCAA punishments. And I actually think it's pretty smart. Does
(05:28):
it cripple Michigan football? It hurts them, definitely hurts them
in perception more with fans and with the lums than
it does with players. Like guys, don't they don't care?
Can I still play for a championships? I still play
for Michigan and some a Michigan degree is still important.
(05:49):
My guess is here's what happens. This is just a guess.
Next year becomes the year where all of this affects
the football program, and I'm guessing that Sharon Moore ends
up because i'ming the fall guy for it. Most coaches
who deal with NCAA infractions don't survive to the next contract.
(06:10):
It's just too hard. And in this case, if you
don't have the money, you can't compete. It's really that simple.
If you don't have the money, you can't compete. Do
I think they can move some money over from other sports? Yeah,
they can find ways to be creative that if we
pay this fine out of our football budget, we'll just
find ways to get, you know, out of budget things,
(06:31):
and we'll make it work. But I don't know how
many people know this did two or three years ago
coming out of COVID when the Big twelve added schools.
Because they added schools but the new TV deal hadn't
taken place, there was like a five to six million
dollars shortfall, do you guys know that? And schools had
(06:54):
to decide whether or not they would just pay the
five or six million dollars upfront or they pay over
a two year period. And I know of one school
that in the summer they decided, hey, we don't need
air conditioning and in the winter, we don't need heat
(07:14):
in our buildings. It'll save us a million dollars. It's
a real thing. Right in the summer, nobody's around. If
you're going to have workouts you have in the morning,
you have in the in the practice facility, but in
the arenas, which are really expensive to heat and to cool,
you just cut that off for a year and some
calculations you save a million dollars. So, yeah, you got
(07:36):
to pay six million dollars out of the show. You
have six million dollars less coming in, but you're spending
a million dollars less over a two year period not
turn on the heat and not turn in the air.
It really is that slim of margins in high major universities.
So what do I think happens. You know, what I
(08:00):
think happens, quite honestly, is is that Michigan football next
year takes a real hit. But Michigan's other programs in
their athletic department are going to take the most severe hit.
Because if you move five hundred thousand dollars off of
(08:20):
softball to cover the loss of like, all of this
stuff matters. It's all connected. And as it stands, even
with the most financially successful and rich universities, they're all
working on tight margins now because you hadn't been able
to plan for paying kids, you know, a salary cap
(08:42):
of twenty twenty five million dollars. And what happens, And
just so people understand the ruling where schools get, I
think it's twenty two million a year to spend on
revenue share. The biggest chunk of that, like thirteen million
is proposed to be you can use for football. That's
(09:03):
only a portion of it. The rest at the high high,
highest level they get we call it sweeteners right where Texas, Oklahoma, Alabama, Nebraska,
and order to be successful, you can't build a team
on thirteen million dollars. You need like twenty five million dollars.
So the twelve million dollars is in donations to an
(09:24):
NIL collective, which is on top of what they're getting
from the universities with revshare. But all that money off
of Revshare, the money that they're making from the Big
Ten network from where all the Big Ten games being
on TV on Big noon kickoff. Whatever that money was,
there was a plan for it, and now they have
(09:46):
to spend you know, twenty two million of it on
players in mostly in football and basketball and occasionally in
an additional sport. So you're already on a tight budget.
You cut out ten percent sent thirty million dollar fine,
and now the money's got to come from somewhere. Well,
you're still going to invest in the programs that make
(10:07):
you money, right, So there was already the talk and
this is mostly non powerful of Hey, a lot of
these ancillary sports are not going to survive. They're just
not you know, lacrosse, track and field, these tennis, these
(10:28):
sports are expensive and they remember it's not just you
have to have the players there. Sometimes you have to
pay those players to compete if you want to get
the good ones, right, And then oh, Yeah, by the way,
you have the facilities, the coaches, the facility up keep
as well. All that's expensive. If you cut off the sport,
you're saving a couple of dollars. You just do a
club sport. I think that may trigger not a canceling
(10:53):
of sports at Michigan, but it's definitely going to affect
their entire athletic department, the whole thing. And I'm only
commending the NCAAA. I'm only doing it, Okay, only doing
it because this is where it hurts, right, this is
(11:14):
where it hurts. There's no tongue lashing or taking down
banners or taking away scholarships or doing anything fake college football,
college basketball, your chance to be successful. It's all about
your financial resources, right. And they just cut out. They
(11:38):
cut the toes off of Michigan. They didn't cut the
legs off. They'll still be able to compete. You've still
got a lot of money. You can still make some
of it back. But thirty million is thirty million, man,
thirty million is thirty million. Here's what we're gonna do.
We're gonna check in with Andy Staples coming up next
in the Herd. Will Michigan's punishment have an impact on
(11:59):
the Big Ten this season. Plus we'll dive more into
the details around the nca IS ruling with Andy Staples.
That's next. I'm Doug Gotlieve this The Herd.
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Andy Staples, who works for On three, has the n
O D. Casey's covered college sports four years. He's kind
of have to spend some time with this year. In
the Herd on Fox Sports radio'm Doug Gottlieb feeling in
for Colin cowhert Andy, what's what's your reaction to the
punishment handed down to Michigan.
Speaker 6 (13:32):
I think the Committee on Infractions looked at every potential
penalty at Mike Levy and said, is this going to
get the NCAA sued by Michigan? And as soon as
they get the answer to no, they said, that's the penalty.
And so they didn't do anything that was going to
make this drag out any longer because postseason Van would
have done that, Michigan would have fired back very quickly.
(13:52):
Uh More suspension of Sharon more than they gave him,
would have caused Michigan a fireback. Decating wins or stripping
tight would have caused Michigan the fireback, and they did
not want that smoke.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
Yeah, I would, I would, I would agree. Okay. So
I think though, that this is the wave of penalties
in the future. Right, We've been doing this for a
long time. Usually they do postseason ban, take down banners,
take away scholarships. You can't take away scholarships now because
the collective will just pay for it.
Speaker 6 (14:25):
Right, that does not even that, Doug, you, You really
can't take away scholarships now because those are roster spots
that are governed by the House versus the NCAA settlement.
So if you took away scholarships or roster spots, however
you wanted to describe it, you're gonna get your ass
dragged into federal court.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
Yeah that's crazy, that's crazy. Okay. So let's let's let's
get to let's get to how it affects Michigan in
the short term. What does it do for their season
this year?
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Nothing.
Speaker 6 (14:58):
They already knew that Shron is going to be suspended
for the Central Michigan game, which, by the way, the
funniest possible game they they could suspended for because that
was the one the place where Connor Stallion showed up
on the sideline. Also, the Nebraska game, the reason they
did this this way, Doug is thrown Moore's in Oklahoma
grad They played Oklahoma in game two. So instead of
just saying he's going to miss the first two games
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of the season, when Michigan was trying to negotiate a
resolution for Sharon Wore, they offered up these two particular
games so that he'd be able to coach against Oklahoma.
The committee just said, we accept that, but you also
got to miss the first game of next season.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
Okay, so how does the Michigan moving forward?
Speaker 6 (15:42):
It doesn't because Michigan's rich. Now this is this is
one of the things like where you're coaching, if you
get hit with a penalty like that, then it's it's significant.
It hurts. But when you are at Michigan and you
have that level of donor and you can just round
up the donors and say, hey, guys, we would need
an additional thirty five million dollars to cover the shortfall
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based on our fines of the next few years, but
it will allow us to continue throwing double middle fingers
at the NCUAA. The donors are probably just going to say, hey,
cash check venmo wire trends, what do you need we're
gonna get you that money. This would be much more
painful at a mid major, at a you know, a
sundult school, accomperence USA school.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
I think it affects them the other sports at Michigan, right,
because yes they're rich. Okay, yes they're rich, but you
weren't planning on paying players. Now you're paying players, and
you're paying them more than you ever thought you were
going to pay them. And the money's got to come
from somewhere. And while they can eventually make it up,
the only way to make it up in the short
term is to make some cuts. And my guess is
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I mean the.
Speaker 6 (16:49):
Other sports, of the other sports been subsidized by football
the entire time. It's a little bit of okay, so
maybe we get a little bit less. But thanks for
keeping us afloat for all these years.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
Yeah, yeah, that's fair, it's I guess. But I mean
you you run the risk of losing those sports. Maybe
maybe not at Michigan.
Speaker 6 (17:10):
No, not at Michigan. This, like I said, at another school,
a non you know, blue blood, non loaded school, this
hurts a lot more that the old Jerry Tartanian line
that in the NCT so mad at Western Kentucky or
so mad at Kentucky they killed Cleveland State, Like, if
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this happens to Cleveland State, it's horrible. Yeah, But if
this happens to Michigan, or to Alabama or to Georgia,
it's really no big deal.
Speaker 7 (17:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
I think the big question is that does that thirty
million dollars get redistributed that especially to the schools like ours,
We'll take it. Hey, we'll take our little cut.
Speaker 6 (17:48):
I was thinking about that because somebody asked me that,
like the bulk of this money is money cut that
would come from the Big Ten. That's a cut of
the college football playoff money. So does it go to
the other eighteen Big Ten schools or they have a
seventeen Big Ten schools like that because or does the
conference just pocket it? I don't really know how that works.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
Well, it's a fine, so they have to send it
to the NCAA. So then what does the NCAA do redistributed.
Speaker 6 (18:13):
Well no, no, no, it just means they can't take the way.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
They can't take their cuts.
Speaker 6 (18:17):
They can't. Yeah, they can't take their cuts. So they
have the Big Ten, I guess gets to decide what
to do with it.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
I am going to disagree with you from this standpoint.
I don't think that there's no effect because they're rich.
I do think that while it doesn't feel like budgets
are tight, they are tighter than you think. And I
do think that this this hurts them, But again I don't.
Speaker 6 (18:38):
It's not the place where if you need a quarterback,
they just Larry Ellison's wife like, hey, Larry, can you
throw in ten million dollars to get Rice under what? Sure,
no problems, but if it was any polace else, I'd
probably agree with you.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
Andy Staples join us here. I'm Doug Gollig feeling for Colin.
This is the hurt. What about college football? Like, how
do we have any true idea? And I ask you
that because North Carolina's got seventy new guys mile modern
Oklahoma State's got sixty five new guys and you're talking
about fifteen padded practices before they start playing. How do
we know if anybody's any good?
Speaker 2 (19:11):
We don't.
Speaker 6 (19:12):
We don't. So we talked to my gun, the Oklahoma
State's coach, Big twelve media days, and he told us, guy,
there's probably seventy five percent of the too deep that
at that point had not even practiced with Oklahoma State
at Now that's an extreme situation because most schools, at
least you get most of your rosters coming in after
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the winter portal and they go through sprint practice. But
Oklahoma State was a very extreme situation this year. But
you're right, we don't know. And even at schools where
like I'll give you an example, LSU. You know, LSU
we think is going to be a really good team.
They bring back Garrettuttmyer's one of the best quarterback in the country,
but they made such moves in the transfer portal about
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half their defense is transfer players that they brought in.
We think that's going to make them definitely better on
because we have no idea, Like we will not know
until we see them playing at Clinton's week one.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
No idea. I mean, heck, you got Ohio State Texas
week one of the season. I mean that's a national
championship caliber game. And I mean this is taking a
pie out of the oven that is not fully cooked.
Speaker 6 (20:21):
Yeah. Now, at least with those two, those rosters are
not so transfer heavy. You know, they didn't They don't
really have to because they do tend to recruit so
well out of high school. But you know, the further
down you go, and especially at places where they just
changed coaches, it's wild. I'll give you the wildest example
of this. So last year, Marshall wins the Sun Belt
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and Marshall and Charltof, the coach had kind of gotten sideways,
and it was clear Charltof was not going to get extended.
He was going to go somewhere else. So he goes
to Southern Myths, which is also in the Sun Belt,
but was the last place team in the Sun Belt,
and he essentially brings like a third of Marshall's starting
lineup to Southern Myths. So what would have been the
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returning SUNDLT champion team is now playing for the last
place team, and who knows what that does to how
good they are.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
It's crazy. I mean, it's just it's crazy. I've always
thought that the transferring to a rival or in conference
is I've never agreed with it. I think most people
are that way. There's so many other schools you can
go to. But now it's it's a complete freedom of movement.
It's who's the most interesting program? I have one in mind,
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but who's your most interesting program?
Speaker 7 (21:42):
This year?
Speaker 6 (21:44):
Well, you're an Oklahoma state guy, I'll go with your
bedroom rivals, Oklahoma. I think they're really interesting this year
because one of the hardest schedules you've ever seen in
your life. Brett Minnibles is under extreme pressure to win,
but they bring in John Mattier, be of the very
wide open Vendo account, who I think is going to
be one of the better transfer quarterback in the country
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this year. He was the most sought after transfer in
the in the portal this year, so I'm excited to
see what he does. Because their offense was essentially non
functional last year for a variety of reasons. But if
their offense is significantly better, defense is good. So you're
talking about a team that should be able to compete
at the highest level. But their last seven games is
the hardest seven game stretch I think I've ever seen
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in my life.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
For people who are unaware of Oklahoma schedule, let me
let me read you those last seven games, so you know,
and that's not counting Michigan at home, that's not counting Auburn.
Who Auburn at home? Last seven games are Texas in
Dallas at South Carolina is very good. Ole Miss at
home at Tennessee who smacked him last year in Norman
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at Alabama. They go to the Missouri at home, and
they go to they got LSU at home last game
of the year. Well, I think the big thing, you know,
haveing lived there, worked there, followed there covered. It is
like what signifies a good year has to change, especially
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for Oklahoma because they're so used to if we don't
win double digits and before, if you weren't in the
Big twelve championship game, it was a bad year. It
was a disappointing year. And you look at that schedule
and like, if you and eight games, it's a hell
of a year. And for people who have been following
it for one hundred years to hear that is really
really awkward for them.
Speaker 6 (23:30):
It's incredibly frustrating. And it's something that with a sixteen
team SEC and an eighteen team that ten you kind
of have to get used to. Everybody's got to adjust
their expectations here. But Oklahoma is the hardest because you know,
outside of Ohio State, Oklahoma's been the most consistent program
in the country. Like Ohio State never had a down period,
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Oklahoma basically had the one in the mid to late
nineties before Bob Suke's got there. That's it. Other than
that they have dominated, whether it's a Big eight, Big twelve,
and so this is this is a really new world
and a really tough adjustment for them.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
It's the herd here on Fox Sports. Ready, I'm Doug
Gottlieb filling for Collin's funny. That was actually the team
that I thought too. We were weird, Yes, that was
I Look, I thought I thought going to the SEC
was a mistake. I understand that the money is the money,
and they want to compete with all all programs, but
I just I just think they're another SEC school where
they were the school in the Big twelve, and I,
you know, I think that got diminished. I thought they
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should have used that power and tried to be the
Texas of the new Big twelve. Speaking in the new
Big twelve, wasn't great last year, Like, let's just kind
of be honest, right, felt like a Arizona State kind
of came from nowhere to be competitive. This year, you
got k State. Everybody thinks they got a shot. Where
is the Big twelve? Football wise in this entire.
Speaker 6 (24:51):
Mix fascinating because it's so easily matched. You know, there's
probably eight or nineteen you could really make a legitimate
case for to win the conference title this year. And
so it makes the week to week part of the
Big Twelve really fun to watch. It makes the viewing
product excellent. But Brett Yormark, their commissioner, talking about this
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a few weeks ago, they need a couple of programs
to emerge as national title contender type teams. You kind
of have to have the big dogs at the top
to be an effective conference. So like, as the viewer,
I love that I don't know what's going to happen.
And we joke on my show about you know which
should essentially mint a special Big twelve coin that just
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says plus three and a half and minus three and
a half on.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
It, and.
Speaker 6 (25:37):
It's fun now. But for them to get where they
want to go, they need somebody, whether that's Texas Tech
or Baylor or TCU can't state somebody to emerge as
a power.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
Yeah, but I don't know if that's possible because like
you said, they are all the same. That's honestly why
Oklahoma should have stayed. They would have been a power.
But why losing them now makes everybody I mean, maybe
Arizona State. They should they got one hundred thousand students,
they should have more money than God. They finally won,
Like if if he can figure out how to you know,
but he's I'll tell you one of the deals. He's
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still doesn't have an indoor facility and he wants that. Yeah,
my advice would be, no worry about an indoor facility,
stick with the bubble, spend that money on players, and eventually,
you know, they'll they'll build you a taj mahall if
you'd like. That's that's generally the college exactly.
Speaker 6 (26:27):
And they have a freaking stadium carving into a mountain.
I mean, come on, yeah, who wouldn't love that place?
Speaker 3 (26:32):
Well? And did I mention one hundred thousand students and
and and and warmth and tempee.
Speaker 6 (26:37):
Everybody's really good looking there.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
Yes, yes, yes, completely completely agree. Last thing, last thing, Andy,
I'm sure you've heard Thomas Hammock's rant about the college experience, right,
and the value of the college experience and what we're
not teaching players. Is there any way in which we
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slow down the train of all the transfers.
Speaker 6 (27:05):
I think the actually the school's paying will probably slow
it down some because they'll be able to write the
deals in a way that it's going to be a
little more difficult to transfer, or you gonna have a
lease of money on the table to transfer. The real
way to do it is some sort of collective bargaining
with the athletes where you can have a CBA so
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they can't sue you, and you have real rules in
real contracts, and that's that's the easiest way to do it.
The schools just don't want to do it.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
Yeah, well I think they want to do it. You
can't make them employees. There's just there's too many other things.
Speaker 6 (27:43):
But there are ways to not do that. I mean,
you think about like the Screen Actors Guild, for example.
Those aren't full time employees of studios or any those
are all contractors, but they have they have a CBA.
The writers skill they have a CBA, So you can
do it. It's just a little bit different, No.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
It's it's a it's a lot different. If you had
Alabama's fastating this year, right like Kalin de boor it's
year two. It's the job that nobody wants to take, right,
be the guy who replaces Nick Saban. But you get
a guy who's been in the system to be your
starting quarterback. Yeah, what does Klen de Bor have to do? Honestly,
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to stay.
Speaker 6 (28:26):
Employed, you gotta make a playoffs. They're not going to
accept anything short of making the playoffs. But they have
one of the most talented rosters in the country. The
roster that Saban left behind pretty much intact. They lost
a couple, you know, like Kale downs in Ohio State
right after Saban resigned, But for the most part, they
kept a lot of those guys, and then the boy's
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a good job of adding on to it. He's recruited
really well, and their high school recruiting seems to be
tracking not exactly like Saban's was, But that's because this
is a different era more than anything else, and Savans
would have looked like this too. So they have all
the pieces around Ty Simpson, who's the fourth year players
who they named the starting quarterback this week. They have
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all the pieces around him to make this work. I
think they are one of the most talented team in
the country, Doug. I think they're one of the three
or four most talent teams in the country. So if
Ty Simpson is good, and I don't even he doesn't
have to be no world beater. He could be above average.
And I think they're a playoff team.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
You want to know the most interesting part, I'll give you.
I'll give you something you can talk about in your show,
and it's a real thing. And like, I'd love to
know what Simpson makes, right, because he had to win
the job. So he's probably not making a million dollars.
You know, it's probably not. Now, maybe they have maybe
they have a deal in your contract where you get
bumped at the starting quarterback you make seven figures. I
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don't know, but the likely it is not, but it
would be genius if you can find program guys to
be your quarterback, because the quarterback is the most expensive
thing you get, right, so if you have a if
you have a quarterback, I mean, that's really what the
downfall of USC that nobody talks about. They were paying
Killer Williams so much money they didn't have money for
everybody else, so they tried to cut corners. Well, you
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can't cut corners there if you have a quarterback. That's
not great. It's it's a little bit like the brock
Purty thing in uh with with the Niners, where you
save money at the quarterback, you spread out elsewhere. It
allows the quarterback to just run the system, just get
the ball to the players. That appears to be the
plan at Alabama.
Speaker 6 (30:28):
I like the Trent Williams and as Caden Brockers comparison
very nice. Yeah, although I will stay with USC. They
think they got a guy, the freshman who's on Longstreet.
I don't think he's going to start right away. I
don't want to throw him into the fire immediately, but
it sounds like they feel very good about him going forward.
So Blake and Riley may have his next next gym
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of a QB, but it may take a little little
time to bake.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
Yeah, but I do I do think that would be
everybody's just so you know, like as we all talk
and we all try and figure out, like, hey, what's
that guy doing? How can I do it? Do you do?
Do you just pay a couple of guys and everybody
else gets nothing? Do you teer it? Does every member
make a little something and then you let them earn anil?
Do you put bonuses in there? I just it'd be
fascinating to me if you look at the structure of
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what Alabama's doing. Again, I think the high school recruiting thing.
You only do that if you feel like those kids,
especially if like I know, Oklhoma State's doing this, you
feel like you take we want We think Wisconsin kids
will want to stay. Hey, they want to stay, They
want to play in Wisconsin. They only want to play
for the University wisconsonant play for the Badgers or play
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for US, and that's it. And the ones who are
recruiting aren't seen as good enough to play for the
Badgers as of yet. And so we tell them, hey,
look man, you're probably not gonna play year one, maybe
not year two, but three, four, five, and you can
play close to home. We can raise more money, we
can put more people in the seats, and we can
keep more players. That's also what I think a lot
of people are trying to do in the high school recruiting.
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But you have to take high school kids knowing you're
only gonna be able, like in football, play one or
two because the rest is well and.
Speaker 6 (32:02):
The thing is now, you can't you can't stack them
the way that that Saban would stack them and urban
Meyer would stack them. At Ohio State, your you know,
beneath your top eight guys, you're not going to be
able to pay the next group enough because some other
school like North Carolina just did this to Ohio State
where they took an Ohio State commit who's from Ohio,
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and like it used to be that nobody from Ohio
would ever decommit from Ohio State. They would never like that.
You don't lose Ohio kids if you're Ohio State. But
in this case, he's probably the you know, the seventeenth
or eighteenth guy if you're talking about technic order the
recruiting class at Ohio State. Well, if North Carolina comes
in and offers them significantly more money and says you'll
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probably get to play pretty quickly. And oh, by the way,
it's Bill Belichick who can presumably develop you for the NFL,
then all of a sudden, it's really hard for an
Ohio State to keep that guy. And so that that's
where it'll be interesting because you see these guys kind
of spreading out. But to your point about building through
the draft versus building through free agency in the NFL,
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we've seen you can. It only works if you build
through the draft. And I think you're still seeing the
Georgians and the Alabama and the ohighest states of the world.
That's what they really want to do. They don't want
to go and have to play. You know, they'll plug
a couple holes, but they don't really want to replace
their team whole. And so like Billy Napier at Florida
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got killed for that the first three years, it may
wind up saving him ultimately because he's got an old team.
They didn't quit on him when things were bad. Last year.
They got better and maybe they're good this year.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
Yeah. Any great stuff, man, I'm ready for college football
know you are as well. Thanks so much for joining
us in the Herd.
Speaker 6 (33:47):
Thanks Doug.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
All right, let's get to Greg Tooey with the news.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
No, no, no, this is the Herd Line news.
Speaker 4 (33:57):
What's up, Doug. What's up there? Doing big series in
LA this weekend? Dodgers Padres three game set at Chavez Ravine.
But now, Doug, the Dodgers are looking up in the
NL West. They trail the Padres by a game. Starting
to get a little dicey here in the NL West.
Here was former All Star Matt Holliday last hour on
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the Dodgers as we hit the home stretch.
Speaker 8 (34:21):
I think they're just as big a threat to win
the World Series as they were at the beginning of
the season. Now they're not going to win one hundred
and twenty games like maybe we thought with the roster
they constructed. But it's very difficult over one hundred and
sixty two game season for everything to go as planned
and sort of the formula that you put on paper
is going to work out. It's just such a long
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season and there's so many factors that play into that.
But when it comes down to a playoff month, I
think they're just as good a position as they were ever.
Speaker 4 (34:51):
He makes a lot of good points, and it's kind
of how you feel, you're you're not really worried about
the Dodgers at that point.
Speaker 3 (34:57):
No, Yeah, they've had a lot of injuries and that's
a lot of season. If they get healthy, if they
get right, And the fact is, like I'm here's what
I am. I want to see what they do against
the Padres in this stretch. Yeah, because the Padres, this
is man. They they like to talk some ish. They
they're a little nastier than other teams. And I know
you're thinking like baseball, like it's baseball, Like now, remember
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the other Dave Roberts. Was the ball thrown at him?
Thing right, the nontroversy deal. Yeah, I want to see
what that feels like. And as much I want to
see at the ravine, I want to see it.
Speaker 7 (35:32):
Pet.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
That's gonna be real, That's gonna be wild.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
We'll wrapping up with this.
Speaker 4 (35:36):
So Mike Brabel continues to get right in the middle
of things in New England. This week, he was asked
by a long time PATS reporter Phil Perry about Stefan
Diggs being concerned about his Week one availability. Here was
the exchange.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
He's not sure about his readiness for week one?
Speaker 6 (35:50):
Did you really believe that?
Speaker 7 (35:51):
Phil?
Speaker 6 (35:52):
And then you you're a smart guy.
Speaker 5 (35:53):
I don't know where you went to school.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
It wasn't Ohio State, Like, do you really believe that?
Do you really believe that?
Speaker 7 (35:59):
Phil?
Speaker 2 (35:59):
Are you just trying to being with some I'm.
Speaker 6 (36:01):
Not baitd Okay.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
He did say he wasn't sure he'd be great.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
Requent is there any doubt in your mine?
Speaker 6 (36:05):
I don't know the context of which he said it,
but you'd have to help me. I mean, he's been
out here almost every day. I'm excited to where he's
at and we'll see when we want to him.
Speaker 4 (36:16):
So, Doug, you have the honor of being a coach
and working in the media. Yeah, was he trying to
bait Rabel? And how do you feel when this happens
to you as a coach? Do you feel like you
get baited? Sometimes?
Speaker 3 (36:28):
I don't feel like it. Well, okay, there's a I
think a guy who does an excellent job a local writer,
and I don't think he baits. But it was like,
we had a conversation where we were talking about a
bunch of things and I said, hey, you know, he's like, well,
what's going to change with radio? And I was like,
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well nothing. I was like, I don't know. Maybe maybe
there's a chance I take a day off if I
feel like I need to focus for a day on
a particular game. I mean, all the honest thing is
I actually need the radio the day of the game
because otherwise I just you just sit there in your
room watching film over it like your board. Yeah, there's
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nothing you can do. Yeah, if you're not prepared, I
would understand, But there's no cramming in college basketball anyway.
So how the story came out was different than how
what we were talking about, because you know, and so
you do have to be very careful with it. And
people ask me all the time, what have you learned
the most? Well, I've learned that I'm not a head coach.
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I'm the CEO, right, But I've also learned it just
say less. That's as much as I as much as
I want to explain everything, like, nobody cares. What's going
to change. Nothing. We're still doing the radio show. It's
gonna be awesome. I'm more focused. I have my own
personal assistant, so everything is way more prepared for everything
that I do. And our team is better. Our team
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is older, our coaching staff knows the rhythm of everything.
We're going to be better across the board. Periods do
move on. Next question. So I don't know if it's
necessarily baiting, but yeah, it's leading the witness. There you go.
That's the news.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
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Line news.
Speaker 3 (38:14):
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Show on YouTube and subscribe. Okay, So have you guys
heard about the Brewers and the Burgers? Yeahs heard about this? No? No, okay.
There's a place called George Web. It's a small chain
in Milwaukee, and apparently this has been going on for
(39:08):
a long time George Web Restaurants. I have had this
deal a twenty three local restaurants that if the Brewers
win twelve consecutive games, anybody who comes in, and it's
since the nineteen forties, anybody who comes in gets free
burger between twelve pm and six pm. Right, think about that. So,
(39:36):
in the process of this winning streak, they were winning
their twelfth game. That's when this call came into nine
to one.
Speaker 7 (39:44):
One, King two twenty seven at George twelve one nine
five five five West Blue Mountain Road called nine to
one one because they won't get them as free burgers
for the Brewers game today. As advised, the game wasn't
over yet. Not sure if the subject is still standing by.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
Think about that for a second. Guy wants his burger
so bad he goes to the restaurant before the game
is actually completed. Right now. The downside is it's kind
of a snap sad snapshot of society. Right, you want
another plus side there is that You're like, what's the positive, Well,
(40:24):
there's two positives. One that these type of randoms are
paying attention to baseball. I think that's right. That's the
It's like the SEC says it means more, but I
don't know any nine one one calls coming about free
meals in the SEC. That's pretty good. And the second
part is if you know anything about Milwaukee and you
know some of the strife they've had, some of the
(40:45):
racial issues they've had, especially in Racine. Right, if this
is the biggest problem in Milwaukee, remember there's flooding last
weekend eleven twelve inches of rain in a day was crazy, right,
Even the Brewers Stadium American Family Field, the parking lots
were flooded and they drained it out just before the game.
If this is the biggest problem that dudes are calling
(41:07):
nine to one one because they're not getting it, go
back my free burger, A tasty burger.
Speaker 4 (41:16):
It is a tasty burger, Doug to what extreme would
you go to to get a free promotion? Oh, pits free,
it's me guy, really yeah wow, Like there's twenty three
locations and I love burgers, and I would probably hit
several of those locations. I mean, and and here's how
cheap and low budget all my friends are. We would
(41:36):
get water.
Speaker 3 (41:38):
Right, like you're supposed to go in there, like you know, fries, coke,
maybe a milkshake, maybe something else, maybe a second burger.
You get that first burger free, Like I was like, no, no,
I mean when we I grew up in Testing cal
went Orange, California, went high school in Testing California, the
player of the week used to get what's the sizzler?
Yeah you? And so we wait till like the third
(42:00):
week in a row, and there'd be three guys would
have it, and they would bring three guys with them
because we were so low budget, Like, hey, we just
all use it and we'll sit around like, who's gonna know, right, Danny,
super slam is only a buck ninety nine. I'm gonna
eat that as often as possible. So what to what extent?
A lot?
Speaker 2 (42:17):
Okay?
Speaker 4 (42:18):
Would you be the guy who uh asked for a
water cup and then put gas in it all the time?
Speaker 3 (42:23):
Yes, yes, yes, I hate now. What I've what I've
taken to now is I will do it only because
I'm trying to cut as much sugar for my diet
as possible. I will do water and then just a
little little little tap, little tap of lemonade so I
get a little lemon water twist. But yes, I've done
(42:44):
the water. That's who I am. Man. I can't. I
can't suddenly not become cheap when I'm being cheap, you know.
But all over tip, you know, I would overtip, but
I would not not spend on a soda cup. Collin's
back on Monday. What Colin got right? What Colin got wrong?
Have a great weekend. Colin learned to wear a hat
(43:05):
this weekend. This is the hurt
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