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Speaker 1 (00:28):
So there's been sort of widespread agreement that one of
the best camps was the Denver Broncos. So and one
of the things that's interesting to me, they not only
went out and acquired some new players, but really high
end players who Funga is a Pro Bowl safety of
healthy green Laws, a Pro Bowl linebacker of healthy Evan
Ingram should be a perfect fit with Sean Payton. And
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this was a team that led the NFL in sacks.
And nobody knows the Broncos like Mark schlera three time
Super Bowl champel full time prebles Broncos for several years.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Listen. I thought about this driving in today.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
I thought, you know, if you're Sean Payton, you could say,
you know, I'm trying to get my guys ramped up.
This young football team. I want them to believe in themselves.
But it's not that young. Garrett Bowles isn't young, Cortland
Sutton's not young, green Law's not young. They got plenty
of older players here. So I really do believe that
Sean Payton believes this is an excellent top to bottom roster.
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What's impressed you most with the two years of Sean Pate?
What has he done that you look at and go, Man,
that was fast. I didn't think they'd do that. What
would that be?
Speaker 4 (01:40):
Yeah, well, I think one, he doesn't care what you think, Colin,
he didn't care what I think. He knows what he
wants and he was able to create exactly what he wanted.
One of the things the big narratives in Colorado was
well we should keep Russell Wilson because you can't afford
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that cap hit, Like you'll never be able to build
a football team. Sean Payton does not care. He's like,
that's not the direction of this franchise. That's not where
I want to go. We can't win with that guy
playing quarterback. And I don't care if we incur a huge,
huge cap hit. We're going to get the right guys
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in this franchise. I've talked to Sean during training camp.
I've talked to Greg Penner, the owner, and the difference
between last year and this year was last year we
hope we could win.
Speaker 5 (02:34):
This year, we know we can win. And one of
the big moves we.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
Made, even if it was a popular player, we got
read of popular players that work the right guys, Guys
that want to be here, Guys that want to contribute,
Guys that want to work hard, Guys that want to
sacrifice for one another. That's how we're building this roster.
And when you start looking at this roster top to bottom,
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and I've been at both screens, but you know, I've
been at the scrimmages, a scrimmage San Francisco. I wasn't
out in San Francisco, but I was at the team
scrimmage between Arizona. The difference between the Broncos second and
third teamers. In Arizona second third teamers, you can see
the level of commitment they have made and the level
of talent that they have in their backup players.
Speaker 5 (03:21):
So you can have an injury or.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
Two along that you know, along that football team, and
they're still going to be able to perform because they've
got a very very deep football team.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Well, one of the I've been saying this for years
is offensive coaches are better rebuilding O lines. PFF has
their on line as second best in the league. Dan
Campbell's an offensive coach. He's got a great O line.
Sean McVay has rebooted his offensive line multiple times. Andy
Reid this will be his third rebuild. They're interesting because
the two Super Bowls, Kansas City's got waxed in. They
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couldn't protect Mahomes. They went and got Josh Simmons. He
was an Ohio State kid injuries. You tell me, like,
if he's not good against Denver and their pass rush,
Kansas City's in trouble. What do you make I think
this is a really you know, end of the first round.
Mark is no man's land in the draft. Nobody wants
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to be there, got first round price. It's a second
round player. What do you make of Josh Simmons, the
Buckeye now a chief at left tackle?
Speaker 3 (04:24):
Is it a problem or not?
Speaker 5 (04:27):
He was my favorite player coming out in the draft. Wow,
I studied him.
Speaker 4 (04:32):
I studied him and that dude dispensed justice. You talk
about me, you talk about hands, you like, I just
was like, this was tie on the door, knob, honey,
don't come in here. I'm watching Josh Simmons film like
it was that good. And then he tours Pattel Attendant.
I think it was around week nine or whatever. I
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think the Kansas City Chiefs possibly got the steel of
the draft. I think that guy's a top ten player
that they got at thirty one. He is that good
athletically gifted, but beyond that.
Speaker 5 (05:06):
Man, one of the things.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
You realize when you study film comeing out of college
is most of these guys don't have nuance, especially the
play offensive line.
Speaker 5 (05:15):
And the game. It's just different. The college game is different.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
Most guys don't know how to use their hands, and
most guys ultimately don't have great technique because they don't
need it.
Speaker 5 (05:26):
And I watched him. I thought it physically, he was dominant.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
I thought he struck guys with his hands, which don't
happen very often.
Speaker 5 (05:33):
And his feet.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
Man, it was like a symphony watching his feet move.
When I think of offensive line playing, I always had
this kind of symphony in my own head. What I
want on my feet to sound like, right, I'm coming
off the ball. It's nineteen handoff. I want to get
my second step down. My feet sounded like That's what
they sounded like, right, And I want to have that
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in my head. Or if it's a passet, what my
feet should sound like on a wide three til technique
or a four I technique versus a three technique or
a two technique, Like, I want to know exactly what
that sounded like in my head. And when I watch
this guy play, he's got that kind of footwork as
a college player. Most college players don't. I loved him,
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I mean I absolutely loved him. And if that dude's healthy,
I'm telling you what they got the steel of the draft.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
So you know this with John Elway, he had a
very good coach and Dan Reeves, but it was a
better coach than Mike Shanahan. And a lot of it
was just fit. Nobody doubted that Dan Reeves could coach.
It's a lot of it's fit in personality. You talked
about Sean Payton, Russell Wilson personality style don't fit. I've argued,
and you see this sometimes where the artist marries the
accountant and it works, you know, like and.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
Sometimes it doesn't.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
And I look at Ben Johnson, who I think is
more a little bit more like Kyle Shanahan, Run my
dann play, Run my play. And then there's Caleb Williams,
who I think has a little Brett Farv which is
sometimes in chaos.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
He's better, but you can't live that way in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
And I've said this, I don't think it's a perfect marriage,
but I do think it can work if Caleb sort
of engulfs the offense. I mean, we've heard it practice
bad days, good days, getting better, but not every I
mean Dan Reeves and Elway both great, it didn't really fit.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
What do you make of Ben Johnson and Caleb Williams.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
I think it's an imperfect marriage, but I do think
it could work.
Speaker 5 (07:29):
Yeah, I'm with you, Colin.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
I think one of the big things coming out of
college when I studied Caleb Williams is I thought there
was too much improvisation. I thought there was too much
playing off schedule. And I think you saw that last year.
I've said this many times. Taking sacks in the quarterback
driven statistic, he took sixty eight sacks last year.
Speaker 5 (07:53):
That's a lot on the quarterback.
Speaker 4 (07:55):
Most sacks really become play caller and quarterback more than
they become offensive line. The first thing, and I've talked
to Ben Johnson this offseason. The first thing that Ben
Johnson did was, Hey, let's reassess what we're doing up front.
Let's go out and get ourselves some offensive line that
that can play. I think that's big. But then it
becomes play calling. And one of the things you don't
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see or you don't hear a lot, and when we
talk about Ben Johnson is the way he's committed to
run the football. I'm doing a game Detroit game a
year ago and I'm thinking, man, this guy like he
has got to be the number one like play caller
in football from the standpoint of second, long, and third
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and long run plays. And sure enough, he's right there
in the top two or three in football. What he
does is he's going to run the ball, create his
play action, take some stress and pressure.
Speaker 5 (08:48):
Off the quarterback.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
The thing that Caleb Williams needs to learn is he
needs to learn what I call the seventy thirty rule.
Seventy percent of the time you need to run the play.
We need to be on schedule. When things do break down,
then you have to be able to improvise and make
a play that's thirty percent of the time it does
break down, then go make a play for us. But
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if you live and this is to me, Kyler Kyler's
problem in Arizona, Kyler Murray's problem in Arizona is you
want to play on a fifty to fifty kind of schedule.
Speaker 5 (09:23):
Fifty percent of the time.
Speaker 4 (09:24):
I want to be free will and it make big
plays because it's really it looks good and.
Speaker 5 (09:28):
I'm excited and it gives me energy.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
But ultimately, for an offense, you may make two or
three big plays, but what you're gonna do is you're
going to fall to disaster three or four times and
you end up not winning the game but losing it
based on that stuff. So for me, run the play,
improvise when only necessary, and I think the run game,
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the trick plays, all the things that Ben Johnson does
that creates excitement and fluidity in your offense. I believe
that that's where he's great. So I think he'll get
that buy in from Caleb Williams. They'll eliminate some of
those sack issues that really were a lot of Caleb
Williams problems, not just the offensive line.
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Speaker 1 (10:46):
Finally, you played for Washington for several years. I don't
love the Terry McLaurin situation at all because I think
Terry's such a pro. You've done their games before. He's
such a productive, grown up pro and a position sometimes
where you get big personality. I think they could be
as good as last year, but not make the NFC
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Championship because the NFC is better. Well, what is your
kind of forecast for the Commanders that have suddenly become
a really fun team to watch?
Speaker 4 (11:16):
Yeah, they're a really good team. Obviously, Jaydon Daniels is incredible.
Dan Quinn has done a phenomenal job out there of
re establishing the culture there.
Speaker 5 (11:27):
That was when I played there for Joe Gibbs.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
It was a crown jewel and they went through you know,
they went through years in the desert obviously, and they're
back now. Terry McLaurin is one of those guys that
you mentioned, great guy in the community, just a great,
great teammate who is unbelievably productive.
Speaker 5 (11:47):
And when I travel around the league, and I've done a.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
Bunch of Washington games, when you talk to coordinators around
the league, they'll tell you, hey, our number one threat
is McLaurin. Like that dude, just that dude is. It
doesn't matter who the quarterback is. That dude is set
for eleven and twelve hundred yards and a bunch of touchdowns.
He just he just a difference maker on the offensive
side of the ball. So I believe they're going to
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get that deal done. He belongs in Washington. He's one
of those guys to me that he has gone through
that that dry desert storm, if you will. He's one
of the guys that you want to see have some
success with the team that drafted him, and he's got
that opportunity now. I hope they find common ground to
pay him because he belongs to me as a Washington commander.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
By the way, you're packing up and leaving New York.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
What was your favorite little place when you lived in
New York and your wife was there? What was your
favorite place? Because I I when you when I spend
time in New York, I would always stay within like
a six block area, and I'd find my places. What
was your place in New York? If I said, hey, Mark,
let's go to lunch, where would it be in New York?
Speaker 5 (12:50):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (12:51):
Right down the street. I don't even know what the
name of the restaurant is. I just know where it's at.
It's right, like literally down the block. A little bowl
and a's place that we absolutely we love.
Speaker 5 (13:01):
I know that I know Sombon in Ada.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
Or you know the waitress and the hostess, and they
are awesome and we always sit in their section and
we go there probably three times a week, and they're
so gracious and so kind and the food is absolutely,
like I said, hole in the wall, absolutely phenomenal.
Speaker 5 (13:22):
And I don't know about you call them. But I'm
this way with movies.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
If like, if I watch a movie that I like,
you and my wife will go, let's find a movie,
and she goes, you've seen this six times.
Speaker 5 (13:31):
I go, I know I'm not going to be disappointed.
Speaker 4 (13:32):
I love this movie, right, and if I fall asleep, like,
if I fall asleep, I can wake up.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
You know.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
Twenty minutes later you go, oh, this is a great part.
Let's get dial in right. And it drives her crazy.
But I'm the same way when it comes to restaurants.
If I go to a place and I order a
meal and I love that meal, I'll never order anything
else off the menu. I will go, let me see
what else is on the media. I go, No, I
love the bowl of A's. That's what I'm having, Bowling
A's I'm having again.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
Yeah, now we talk about that earlier today. Mark Schlareth
is as always, buddy, it's great seeing you checking in
with you.
Speaker 5 (14:06):
Yeah, my pleasure to call man. Take care buddy.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
All right, it's so ironic that I brought that up
thirty minutes ago. My wife will roll arise when I
heard chicken farm and then during the break, what did
you say to me?
Speaker 3 (14:15):
John middlecoff.
Speaker 7 (14:16):
Maria treats a menu like a draft. She tries to pick.
You know, all these different flavors, all these different things.
I picked the same thing every single place I go,
do I have the same order.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
So it's got to be a guy brain.
Speaker 7 (14:26):
It definitely is it one hundred percent. I'm the same
way with movies. I don't we don't need to outthink
the room here, give me a stake.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
I think I've seen Casino, I've seen uh, good Fellas,
Silence of the Lambs. Uh, what's the one I'm thinking of? Shawshank, Redemption,
Ocean's eleven. There's about seven eight movies, some Spielberg stuff.
If it's on, I'm like, I got forty five minutes.
Speaker 8 (14:55):
To get same.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
I got them in no hurry to do anything. I'm
just gonna sit here. By the way.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
Spielberg's got a new UFO movie coming out. You know
when you this happens to me maybe once every other year,
Like the second Top Gun was coming out, I'm like, oh,
I can't wait, or a new mission impossible, or Oppenheimer
was like I literally went to the feed or the
first day I could. And that's not usually my vibe
Spielberg's got a UFO movie coming up, and I'm telling
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you right now it is supposed to be incredible.
Speaker 8 (15:26):
I don't do aliens well.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
I hope I never confront one, but I want to
be prepared.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
I want to when Spielberg's gonna tell me what to do,
how to react. John with the news, No, No, turn
on the news.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
This is the herdline news.
Speaker 8 (15:42):
Okay, Drake May.
Speaker 7 (15:43):
He had a solid, solid rookie season, starting twelve games,
throwing twenty two hundred yards, scored seventeen total touchdowns.
Speaker 8 (15:50):
But entering year two, May has a.
Speaker 7 (15:52):
New offensive coordinator, a familiar face in Foxborough, and a
former Patriot. Jason mccordy broke down the duo's on field relationship,
saying that McDaniels is talking to May as much as possible.
Mccordy also added that May has gained McDaniel's trust and
the OC is heavily communicating.
Speaker 8 (16:09):
With him pre snap.
Speaker 7 (16:10):
Do you believe that Drake May will flourish under Josh?
Speaker 1 (16:14):
I do because Josh has a history of, you know,
dealing with high performing, high standard quarterbacks, and I think
if you look at Drake May's family comes from an
athletic family basketball players, right yeah, And I think I
think he was one of the younger kids. You know,
older brothers are great for a young athlete get picked
on a little bit. You know, you have to play
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against older kids, your brothers and their friends. And I
think I think that's the vibe if I recall. I
may be wrong on that, but I think Drake May
comes from a hyper athletic family. I think he's a
very athletic person. I think, like Justin Herbert's calmp, he
doesn't want a lot of publicity. He just he loves sports.
He wants to play. And Vrabels again a guy that
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has proven he can build an offensive line in a
run game. And you know, they they haven't had a
great wide receiver since Randy Moss in terms of down
the field wide receiver.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
Edelman was obviously tremendous.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
So you know it's they've won a certain way over
the last twenty years. And I think Vrabel and Drake
May will provide a lot of what Brady and Belichick did,
no nonsense, committed, physical, relentless, always prepared, really efficient.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
I think he checked those boxes.
Speaker 7 (17:25):
You know, I know you have and a lot of
people haven't been critical of the Patriots with Belichick's drafting
over the last couple of years. Once Brady left, you
could argue they really fell apart when Josh went to Vegas.
Speaker 8 (17:35):
I looked it up when Slaith was talking. Last year
they averaged seventeen points.
Speaker 7 (17:38):
The year before with Bill and Patricia, they averaged thirteen points.
Their offense the last couple of years has been a
knemick And the one thing could you look at the Patriots,
you know, too deep on offense. It's not great Randy Moss,
Gronk Edelman, those guys aren't walking through the door.
Speaker 8 (17:53):
But Josh is pretty good at working with random guys.
Speaker 7 (17:56):
And obviously, you know, the rookie running back is going
to be highly touted, but I could see a couple
guys that aren't household names becoming pretty good players.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
Is that kid Kyle Williams from Washington State, That's the
one I think. You know, they may have gotten the
steel of the draft with Trayvon Henderson in the second round.
They may have gotten one of the steels in the
draft in the third round if he pans out. But
as a college player, he was a jump off the
TV screen player at Washington.
Speaker 8 (18:20):
State totally agree.
Speaker 7 (18:21):
Sticking with the AFCs, the Bills have a ton of
expectations this season, after getting knocked out by the Chiefs
in the title game and with Josh Allen coming off.
Speaker 8 (18:30):
His first MVP award.
Speaker 7 (18:32):
Ever since Joe Brady took over Josh and the Bills
offense is sword Allen posted the lowest interception rate of
his career. One thing Brady doesn't want Allan to worry
about is keeping track of which receivers are getting how
many touches. So, Colin, do you believe this will help
the Bills offense be even better this season?
Speaker 1 (18:52):
I think once you're a veteran quarterback, you can throw
it wherever you want. I mean, I think there was
no question when you and I were watching the Patriots
their run older Tom on third down, you knew it
was going to Goronkrettelman.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
There was no question.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
I think even the all time great quarterbacks have comfort zones.
I mean, what's the first thing Tom did when he
went to Tampa? Gronk, I need my safety valve. So
I once you're an older veteran quarterback, I mean, you
know who Mahomes is looking for on third down in
playoff games like you throw to whoever you want. I
don't have Josh doesn't need coaching in that at once
the ball is snapped.
Speaker 7 (19:28):
I trust Josh Allen. I think Josh and I would
put Lamar in this. Two are two of the better
quarterbacks I've ever seen. Same and they've just ran into Mahomes.
I mean Phil was Grady ran into Tiger. Yeah right,
So eventually one of these two guys is going to
get him. The Ravens a couple of years ago had
that home playoff game, you know, the championship game at home,
Chiefs got to me the Bills watching hard knocks and
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again the highlight packages, they.
Speaker 8 (19:51):
Look pretty good.
Speaker 7 (19:52):
I mean, I could see the Bills competing for the
number one seed and we know this is the last
year well and look at old stadium.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
That's could be a mess.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Miami's been walking many culture issues and New England still
they're not necessarily in a total rebuild, but they got
they and then they may have solved their issues in
free agency in the draft, but they're a young team
in a lot of areas.
Speaker 7 (20:11):
I would say it would be stunning if the Bills
didn't go five and one in the Division right six, No,
potentially The Athletic, one of our favorite sites, just put
out their top twenty five and under in the NFL,
and Jamar Chase, Jalen Carter, and Jayden Daniels lead the way.
Speaker 8 (20:25):
Here's the top ten. We got Jamar Chase, Jalen.
Speaker 7 (20:27):
Carter, Jayden Daniels, Aidan Hudgson brought Bowers, Patrick Stertan Tode Sewell,
c J. Stroud, Kyle Hamilton, and I'm and Ross Saint.
Brown's a little shocky. I thought he was like thirty
years old. I mean, pretty good list. I noticed one thing, Colin.
The Texans and the Lions both have three players on
this list, and the Texans their quarterback, their pass rusher,
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and their star corner. Stingley to me, you know, he's
not I don't want to compare him like Deone Sanders
or Dureau Reeves, but I think in the next couple
of years he could established himself as one of the
better defensive way. Number eleven better be Jared Verse. Yeah, yeah,
he is gonna be.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Last year there were times you were like, whoa Jared
Verse pass rusher?
Speaker 3 (21:07):
Rams is gonna explode? This year?
Speaker 7 (21:09):
Well, I got a guy for you Bjohn Robinson, and
I was talking to a buddy in Arizona who coached
Agains him in high school. And this guy's been coaching forever.
He says he's the best high school player I've ever seen.
The hype at Texas, the hype when he got drafted.
I think the hype he needs to start equalling.
Speaker 8 (21:22):
I gotta see it. He's a really talented player.
Speaker 7 (21:24):
But some of these other I mean, Jalen Carter was
arguably one of the best players in the NFL for
the team that won the Super Bowl. I mean this well,
I was like a Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
Yeah, I mean, if you took Chris Jones out, I mean,
I think most GMS would take Jalen Carter today as
your interior defensive lineman.
Speaker 7 (21:39):
I think Malik Neighbors has a chance to be like
Jamar Chase as a talent.
Speaker 8 (21:44):
He's just got to stay on the field.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
Yeah, he gets banged up, He's banged up again.
Speaker 7 (21:47):
He gets banged up a lot. Jamar Chase pretty good,
pretty good player.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
These are id is Amaran Saint Brown must have graduated
high school at fourteen, because I swear to God, he's
been in the league six.
Speaker 7 (21:57):
Years I thought that same thing. I honestly, I thought
he was thirty two years old.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
John Middlecoff with the News, Well that's the news, and
thanks for stopping by. But I had three Detroit Lions
on that list. What have we said about the Lion's success?
Look upstairs, three Lions in the top ten develop and
also they have a young safety Brian Branch. He could
be top fifteen.
Speaker 8 (22:23):
He's a good player.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
I mean, so they could have four of the top
fifteen guys. That tells you everybody looking at Detroit and
Dan campbellt it's upstairs.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
They got the right group. They have acete.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
This year they went heavy on interior offensive lineman, which
they had to, so they addressed an absolute need. It
wasn't a great draft, so you will see how that
pans out.
Speaker 7 (22:43):
Doesn't Jared Goff, I mean for a little bit of
an older guy, have a young vibe.
Speaker 8 (22:46):
Maybe it's the California in them.
Speaker 7 (22:48):
He just feels like very chill, Yeah, very chill, not
much stress in his life.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
Mark schleras thought by today, Albert Brer had really interesting
comments on Caleb Williams.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
We'll wrap it up next. That's the hurd.
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Speaker 1 (23:11):
So Albert Breer went to twenty three NFL training camps,
and I joked earlier you went to the most stoic
and quiet and Green Bay, and then you went down to.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
The circus in Chicago.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
And on the day he watched the Bears, he had
thoughts about Caleb Williams.
Speaker 9 (23:31):
What Ben Johnson and his staff were trying to do
with Caleb was let's feed him through a fire hose
in the spring and an early in training camp, and
let's see what he can handle, and let's see what
he's good at, and let's see what he's not good at,
and let's see how he learns. Let's see how he takes.
Speaker 10 (23:46):
Those early lumps and is able to compartmentalize them. And
then over the course of camp, the hope was that
they would get a more resilient player who's playing faster,
and as coaches, they would get a better idea of
what he was best at, so they could build an
offense based on that.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
So remember it's not always easy.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
Initially, Tom Brady and Bruce Arians through twelve weeks were
seven and five and were stuffing. And then they had
a bye week and Brady's like, I'm gonna do it
my way, and he and Bruce Arians after the Super Bowl,
you know, later had a little falling out, but Brady encyclopedic.
Brady and Bruce Arians stylistically. You know, Arians wanted to
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go deep down the field more in his career, and
Tom's like, now I want to pick up first downs,
move the chains, protect the defense, don't want to get hit.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
That was Tom style. And through twelve weeks, remember.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
That disaster they had against the Bears on Thursday Night football,
Brady's screaming at everybody.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
So like Arians and Brady won a Super Bowl. It
was not a perfect fit.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
Terry Bradshawn, Chuck Nole, We're not a perfect fit. And
then you get Akman and Jimmy Johnson. Aikman did exactly
what Jimmy wanted. Toughness, leadership, accurate, big plays. Sometime I
think Bo Nixon sean hate and feel like that's exactly
what he wanted. A younger breeze with excellent feet, can move,
but will run his play. So you know it doesn't
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have to be perfect. The day that Albert Rereer went there,
he said it was awful. Very you know, again, Elway
had Dan Reeves. Dan Reeves could coach. Elway was better
with Shanahan. Kyle Shanahan frankly always wanted Kirk Cousins because
he would run his play. So, you know, Goff's first
six games under Ben Johnson, he had a ninety passer rating.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Ninety passer rating is bee in the NFL, especially in
twenty twenty five.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
That's just kind of a b.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
And then Goff grew into Ben Johnson's offense. And I
do think it is sometimes. I mean, you want a
gifted quarterback, sometimes it's harder. I don't care if you're
a music teacher.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
It is harder.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
With more talented students. They want to be driven hard,
but they you know, Caleb's got some stuff, some magic,
and it works, Lamar. You know, it took years, year three.
Finally you're like, okay, he can throw from the pocket now.
So sometimes you have to convince players that this is
better than that. But when that's been been successful in
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high school and college, it's hard to talk them off
that style. So I the next eleven games for golf.
After struggling in the first six games with Ben Johnson,
the next eleven games this passer rating was like one
oh four, So it just takes a while. I think
Ben demands a lot. Ben is going to be tough
on Caleb and that you know that early schedules a
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little bit of everything. They get the Vikings at home,
winnable game Detroit. I think with new coordinators, will be
vulnerable early. I mean then they get the Cowboys at home,
Raiders by Saints. There's some winnable games early, but you
could see if the Minnesota knocked them off early and
Caleb struggled against Brian Flores, you could see this thing
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going sideways very quickly.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
Because at the end of the schedule, packer.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
At the Niners, Lions, Packers before that at the Eagles.
There's a lot of teams vying for playoff position from
about week thirteen on. That schedule is rough, so you
gotta make some hay early if you're the Chicago Bears.
I had my Herd hierarchy today, my top ten teams
in the NFL. You guys can put it up there.
I think Philadelphia has to be your number one and
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then after that, I think I would like you know,
I think I would like the commanders in rams higher
if there weren't a Matt Stafford Terry McLaurin situation. I
do think the Lions will be good, not special. I
don't think it's a diss to the Chiefs putting the
Broncos ahead of them right now. I think Denver's got
a much better offensive line and a better consistent pass rush.
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Anything is anybody missing?
Speaker 2 (27:50):
John?
Speaker 7 (27:50):
When you look at that, I'm gonna sound like Nick
right here. But the Chiefs have been five super Bowls
of six years. Colin five super Bowls. Okay, if you
want to give the Eagles, they just blast.
Speaker 8 (27:59):
Them the super Bowl.
Speaker 7 (28:00):
Fifth, Fifth, the Ravens remember home Field two years ago,
took them out. The Bills they played them I think
four times in five years. Chiefs beat them every time.
So yeah, I mean, going in the momentum, I do
think call me and Andy Homer, but fifth, that's Eagles.
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No one's gonna argue with you there. The Bills and
the Ravens to me always deserve I mean they've proven it.
But number two, I mean, you gotta one of those
two teams.
Speaker 8 (28:31):
Got to win a big.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
Playoff game eventually, right, eventually, I think I am higher
on the Seahawks than certainly MacIntyre.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
Where are you on the Seahawks?
Speaker 8 (28:40):
I'll give you the Seahawks.
Speaker 7 (28:42):
Like, that's kind of a bold move because the NFC
is pretty wide open beside the Eagles. I mean, you
could convince me the Commanders come back to Earth a
little bit that they might be better, but they win
ten games instead of twelve or thirteen.
Speaker 8 (28:53):
But the Chiefs five and the Rams pretty big wild card,
you know.
Speaker 7 (28:58):
I think the Lions from a talent standpoint are a
top five to six.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
I think if Joe Ald stays healthy, the Chargers will
end up in this spot. But I just got to
watch because that offensive line was one of the best
tackle groupings in the league. Now you move all to
the left tackle, where he's probably not as deft, and
now you kind of cross your fingers at right tackle,
or do you move Becton to right tackle and then
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you're weaker in the interior. They were not very good
in the interior. Old line, They were not happy as
a staff.
Speaker 7 (29:31):
Still pretty dependent on some you know, they re signed
Keenan Allen, Mike Williams, retires.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
I don't love their I love Lad McConkey, but they
they Trey Harris at Old Miss.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
Is he going to make an impact?
Speaker 7 (29:42):
I mean everyone's really high on the first round running
back Hampton, but I mean that's a lot of pressure.
Sometimes running backs come second, third, fourth round or the
best running backs in the draft. Khalil Max an older player.
They're very dependent on him on defense. But their coaching
staff is excellent. Chargers I could see Jim Harbass. So
their floors really high.
Speaker 8 (30:00):
They kind of feel nine to eight.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
Yeah, well that's my take. Their floors really high. We
know they're going to be competent, They're going to be
above five hundred. But Denver now is good. Listen, if
the Raiders are the fourth best team, Chip Kelly Pete,
Carroll Brockbawers, Max Crosby, Gino Smith is fine if you
give them a little time to throw. And I think
their on line's okay. So I will say this, there
are teams that are bad coming into the season. Saints
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aren't going to be good, Jets aren't going to be good.
I mean we can write that down. Giants have talent
but may not have a good record. Cleveland's going to
be bad. But there's some fourth place teams. I mean,
if the Bears and the Raiders finish fourth, those are
talented teams.
Speaker 8 (30:38):
How do you have the Broncos over the Chiefs. They're
the same division. The Chiefs won a seven.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
Three because they added Evan Ingram Mifunga Greenlaw. Those are
elite players.
Speaker 8 (30:48):
I haven't won a playoff game in about a decade.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
Well, you know what new group.
Speaker 8 (30:52):
I get it, but new coach Chiefs five Super Bowl,
six years.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
You have made that point during this segment. I don't
even know what to do with Green Bay. I'm putting
them they're out of respect. I think it's boring picking
the Chiefs that.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
I get it.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
Yeah, I'm not bored with him. Isn't there an argument
of fatigue? How many snaps? I mean they've taken. It's
like a baseball team that goes to the series. You
come back to spring training and everybody's arms its fatigue.
Kansas City has been in a lot of big, close
game year after year after year, and all the suspensions
at wide receiver. I think it's I think it's the
one pullback year.
Speaker 8 (31:27):
But they win all those games.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
Most of the time, except super Bowls. Then it's a
wild card.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
I can't trust Andy there, whies out we'll see tomorrow.