August 20, 2025 • 29 mins
Legendary head coach Mack Brown joins the show to talk to Colin about Arch Manning and the pressures of coaching football at Texas
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Well, I've been looking forward to this all day. Mac
Brown the national champion head coach with Texas. I mean,
he knows, he knows where all the skeletons are buried
in this sport, and there's a lot of change.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
And I always thought Mac.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Had the ability to teach and coach in a joyful way.
He lovely did when he returned to Carolina. The players
loved him. But sometimes it's just time to move to
the hill country in Austin, Texas and enjoy life a
little bit. And Mac Brown is now joining us live.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Coach.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
You know, I was thinking about this everybody, And I've
said this before. I think I said years ago the
best job in football in America is coaching the Texas Longhorns.
And I said that, and a coach texted me and
he goes listen it's a good job he goes, but
there's a lot of drama. There's a lot of boosters,
there's a lot of stuff the Longhorned Network. And I
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love Sark. I really do love Sark, but I think
it's one of those jobs coach.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
It's a little harder than people think.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
You know, at Alabama football runs everything, but at Texas
it's a music town, it's a food towns. When you
watch Sark coach, do you envy him or do you
understand sometimes what he's going through.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
I think it's a great question, Colin, but I really
think it's both ways. I love the University of Texas.
I think it is the best job in the country,
and especially within ale because you've got chance, because you've
got people that are passionate in the care and the
only way you'd manage it you got to take their
passion and it's really pride and it's not pressure, and
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they want to win so badly, and you've got to
be able to handle all the outside. No, he's in
Sarks coached at Washington, he's coached at USC, so he's
done all this.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
He's been there, done that.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
I really like him and I respect him and he's
doing a tremendous job. But after you coach at Texas,
it's it's really tough because you really got everything you need.
When I first got there, I asked the loss dout.
I said, I like to buy this to does it
fit in our budget? And he said, coach, you don't
have a budget. Whatever you want. I said, we don't
have a budget and he said no. Man, you go
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through it and then ask the loss one time. As
our athletics director, how hard is your job? And he said,
when you're winning, mine's easy. When you're losing, I don't.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
Have a job that's pressure. That's so good.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
They have arch Manning and the Manning family is classy, smart.
I mean arch Manning could have transferred, not interested supported
in yours. I maybe I'm worrying about something that doesn't matter.
Tim Tebow became like a celebrity quarterback Cam Newton in college.
Would you be worried about the burden, the expectation the celebrity?
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I mean, you got Texas's program, the Manning name. Would
you be a little worried about that if you were
sart coming into the season.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
Yes, And you have less worries because Archie Manning's the granddad,
and Eli and pateon their uncles, and Cooper's been through
this whole ride with all of them, the dad, uh
and this this family handles that they got class, they
got charisma, they got confidence, they have done all of
these things they need to do.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
And I've been around arch enough.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
He's just a smart he's uh self deprecating. He'll he'll laugh,
he he he'll he'll talk about people that have said
critical things of him and say, yeah, I can understand that.
It's just I haven't played a lot yet, and so
I'm really excited to watch him play. I watch Chris
Sims go through this with his dad winning a super
Bowl at Texas and Nat. I watched Vince Young and
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his last year going through Is he gonna win the Heisman?
Speaker 3 (04:10):
Is? Is he better than Matt Liners? You better than
Reggie Bush?
Speaker 4 (04:13):
And and Vince has got a really good perspective on
being the quarterback here. But arch is really into the guys.
He's into that locker room, and that's what's so critical
for a quarterback. And and the thing Colin I think
people miss on Arch is Archie could run.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
Granddad. We all saw him. I played, Yeah, yeah, you.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
Could run, and and Eli and Peyton were they could run,
but there were more pocket quarterbacks. Arch can run and
and that will give him a chance. They got four
new offensive Lindman, so that's going to be difficult going
to Ohio State. But when you've got a quarterback that
can run, it makes those offensive blindmen.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
Look a lot better.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
You know, So Belichick takes your gig. It's interesting because
you when a legend like you retires, they bring in
a young hot shot.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
They didn't.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
They brought in an old NFL guy who's who kind
of has a way of doing things. I think I'll
throw it and give you my take. I think NIL
saves Bill. I don't think Bill would have succeeded in
the old way of building through high school players, but
the NIL is almost professional football. I think it gives
him a chance. But I also think Mac seventeen hours Max,
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I mean, you don't get the hours. You can't have
a sixty hour week. Kids have more power. There's a
lot of stuff here where I'm like, I don't know,
give me your crystal ball. What do you think Bill
will handle effortlessly? And what could be something that'll he'll
kick around a little bit. Well.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
The first thing, Colin Chancellor Lee Roberts has committed the
football big time for the first time in North Carolina history.
They are really wanting football to be good, so they're
all in and that gives them a chance.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
To be successful.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
Bill is arguably the best coach of any sport. When
you win that many Super Bowls at whatever level, the
man can coach, he can evaluate because he had to
bring in all those kids at the Patriots and now
administrators don't like to say it, but we have pro
football at some level in college.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
We no longer have amateurism.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
We have payment scals, we've got nil kids are asking
for money, they have agenciers negotiations. So I do think
the fact that we are much more like the NFL
than ever before will really help Bill with this transition.
The other thing is every coach wants his own players
and takes you two or three years to get your
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guys in there. He's brought in seventy two new guys,
so you got money, you can evaluate and you can
bring in who you want. I think he has a
chance to win big and win big fast.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
We were talking about this. It seems like about every
third year you get a really really good quarterback class
and Caid Clubnick is I swear?
Speaker 3 (07:05):
Is he from Austin? He maybe from Austin, Texas?
Speaker 4 (07:07):
It is he?
Speaker 3 (07:09):
Yes, right, Westlake High School? That's right. Yeah, So where
you're at, he's from there.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
So I went back and I watched his high school stuff,
and I went I went deep diving a couple and
I saw him play a few times for Clemson. He
moves like arch Manning. He can move a little bit.
Now he's he'll four six five, he can run. You
faced him, I think twice at Carolina. I remember one
for sure, twice. What when you after those games? Was
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he better in person? Were there things he struggled with?
Give me a give me a little bit of a
If I'm an NFL GM and I call you, I say, Mac,
I'm thinking of drafting Caid Club Nick, give me a
thumbnail sketch on him.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
What do you What do you think of him? Well?
I saw him in high school. My son went to
Westlake High School.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
Todd Dodge was his coach, and I knew Todd really
really well. We recruited him and couldn't get him to come.
I think he's really really good. The two times that
we played him. The first time he was good, but okay,
maybe a little cautious. Last year, at the end of
the year he got really confident. He nearly brought him
back in Austin in a huge game playoff game. But
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especially for him at home. He's tough, he can run,
he can throw, he's accurate, he's confident, and I think
he gives Clemson a chance to be really, really good.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Yeah, you know Clemson hasn't done the NIL stuff. You
were a legendary recruiter, Belichick, Deon Sanders, Lincoln Riley, Brian Kelly,
They're all in on it. I worry that NIL erodes chemistry.
That's what I worry about. I feel like you don't
know the odometer on a used car. I like to
know what I know about. My guys have been recruited
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since they were high school sophomores. What did you make
of NIL?
Speaker 3 (08:48):
Does it? I mean, forget the pay in.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
The players kid, they obviously deserve some compensation, but what
does it do to a locker room? Does anything worry
you about the portal or nil?
Speaker 3 (08:59):
Colin is another great question.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
I do think the major programs, the brand programs that
are going to have the majority of the money. It's
going to ruin the competitive balance in college football because
we're going to have the same fifteen playing at the end.
And if you've got enough money to recruit high school
players and keep them, then in ail's not going to
bother you when you bringing in all.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
The different guys. It's really hard.
Speaker 4 (09:22):
So what we learned is if you've got money and
you buy a team, it doesn't mean.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
You're going to win. Number One, you got to buy
the right ones.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
Number two, they've all got to fit well in that
locker room. You've got to mesh together as a team,
which is hard in a short period of time. And
number three, they've got to be unselfish. And that's one
thing we're looking at right now. I saw Cedric Benson
in the locker room after we beat Michigan in the
Rose Bowl, sit there crying because he didn't want to
take his uniform off and he was a first round
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draft choice and he just sat there and I said,
why are you crying? He said, this is the last
time I'll ever have this unifor And I'm not sure
we're going to have that loyalty at schools that are
bringing in all the transfers now as much as the
one like sarcle only brought in ten transfers ten eleven.
He's building it with hoschool guys. Clemson is building it
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with hoschool guys. They bring in a few transfers, but
not many. So at the highest level, if you can
continue to bring in and develop the right guys, and
you're recruiting the right guys, I think you're going to
have the chance to be the most consistent program programs
in the long haul through this Nile period.
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Speaker 1 (11:05):
I'm I'm kind of with sark on that or like,
if you're Ohio State and you bring in like Caleb Downs,
if you can bring in a first round pick, go
get him by all means.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
But I worry about that.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
Oh.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
By the way, I gotta ask you about Drake May So.
I like.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
One of the things I like about Drake may he
was your quarterback for several years, is that I like
he comes from a family of athletes and older brothers,
and there is something about that coach about the toughness,
you know, playing with your brothers buddies and you're getting
thrown around the basketball court and the football. Give me,
did you notice that with Drake? Cause in the NFL
as a rookie, they're gonna haze you. They're gonna be
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on you. You're carrying luggage, they're getting Ravel's a tough guy.
What about Drake May impressed you? Beyond the size the arm?
What else did you like about it?
Speaker 4 (11:49):
He said, when he was a kid, he had to
fight for food. He had all those brothers in there,
so everything he did he would have to compete and fight.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
So they'd played pickleball and get mad. And one day
I walked in.
Speaker 4 (12:02):
The player's lounge and there was a broken ping pong
paddle and I said, who broke the paddle? And he's
sitting over in the corner and they all pointed to Drake.
I said, Drake, why did you break the paddle? He said,
the tight end beat me in ping pong? Can you
imagine the tight end beat me in ping pong? And
I said, yeah, but I still think you can keep
the paddle clean without breaking it. But he is so competitive,
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he's smart, he's got a great heart. He is a
wonderful team leader. He'll have that locker room fighting for
him in every minute, and I just love him. I
think he's a quarterback that's going to win a Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
Oh that's great. Okay.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
Finally, Mack and I talked for a couple of minutes
before we went on the air, and he moved to Austin, Texas,
which is one of America's great cities. And I'm not
telling you where, but I know what golf course he's on,
and it's darn nice.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
I'll tell you that.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
And I told you during the break, I said, my
wife said you need to get a hobby, and I
could never find one. And then two years ago, well
I got oddly, bizarrely into obsessed with golf, and I
just crazy, like you know, just I'm into it all
the time. And tell me a little bit about are
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you playing golf regularly, Colin?
Speaker 3 (13:19):
I'm playing just about every day.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
I'm playing six holes, nine holes, twelve holes, and I
just love it. And as a coach, you played, but
you played with boosters. They were asking about the quarterback
or why'd you do this, or why'd you do that?
They told you you can play bad, but don't play
bad and slow.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
You got to play fast. You never practice.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
You're always shaking hands before you hit the ball on
the first tee in a tournament. So I've never been
able to really play golf and enjoy it. And now
I am just absolutely loving it. So I'm doing my work,
I'm doing some stuff, and then I head to the
golf course.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
And what is your You have a friend that told
me I want I want you to share this with
our audience because it really is so true. What did
your You have a friend that's a golfer, What did
he tell you about golf?
Speaker 4 (14:06):
I was playing with my friend the other day and
he was playing awful. He was really struggling. So He
looked at me at the end of the match and
he said, uh, you know, coach, this is really interesting golf.
I said, wait, wait, talking about budd and he said,
it costs a lot of money. It takes all day
to play four and a half five hours. You hit
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a lot of bad shots and it makes you absolutely miserable,
and as soon as you get through, you can't wait
to get back on the fortlow. And I think that's god.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
It's expensive. I mean, it checks.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Every bad.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
And when you get home, your wife's man, where have
you been? Did you have a note? It's awful. I
had so many bad shots. Yeah, it's so true.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
It's great to see you as Oh, it was great,
great American sports storyteller.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
Mac. I love you, Thank you so much.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
Thanks Colin, love you and appreciate what you did.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
All right, Mac Brown, that is so maddeningly true about golf.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
It checks everything.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
That you would hate about any activity, and you cannot
wait to play. Driving home, you're like, oh, I hit
back to back shots on the sixth hole that were
pretty good, and that'll that gets the car to turn
around eventually go back.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
That's unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
Now by middle Cough John is is Now, You're only
in your forties and you're already obsessed.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
Am I right?
Speaker 6 (15:32):
I like swinging the sticks a little bit. I consume
I watched a lot of golf content. I'm a football guy,
but golf pride my first love.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
Yeah, John with the.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
News, no, no news, this is the herdline news.
Speaker 6 (15:49):
Well, we talked about Burrow earlier today, and obviously the
Trey Hendrickson contract saga continues as he continues his hold
in at Bengals camp. We discussed yesterday that the two
sides are nowhere close to guaranteed with the guaranteed money.
With that said, one anonymous NFL executive says there is
no doubt that the Raiders would be the front runners
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to lan Henderson if he's traded Colin. Should the Raiders
make a move for the defensive end.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Well, I mean between you know, in a division with
Bo Nixon, Peyton and harbaughn Herbert and Andy Reid, the
way to neutralize that is have two of the top
four edge rushers in football with Max Crosby and Hendrickson.
I mean, you know, if you're not paying your quarterback
Matt Stafford money or Mahomes money. Gino got a good contract,
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but it's more in line with Baker and Sam Darnold.
There are I mean, when Tom Brady was in his
division or Peyton Manning and his you would spend money
on edge rushers, you would spend money on pass rushers.
Speaker 6 (16:51):
I do think the last two years Bowers Genti, the
first round picks for the Raiders are really important.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
Here's the problem Brady, their.
Speaker 6 (16:59):
New gen manager, John spy Tech thinking big picture, right,
what we're gonna do for the next five ten years.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
Pete Carroll's seventy three.
Speaker 6 (17:07):
Look at Pete Carroll and Seattle traded for Percy Harvin,
traded for Jimmy Graham, traded.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
For Jamal Adams.
Speaker 6 (17:12):
I think Pete Carroll a couple of weeks ago they
asked him, like, what's your plan this year?
Speaker 3 (17:15):
He's like to win.
Speaker 6 (17:16):
I've been winning ten games a year for twenty plus year.
Pete Carroll's not there for building this thing up for
Ben the next Ben Johnson in.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
Three years to take over. So if you would want
to make this trade.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
They are noticeably better at coaching and quarterback and they
gave I mean, they were a tough outlack. Kansas City
should have lost, could have lost to him twice.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
They were a tough out last year.
Speaker 6 (17:40):
To me, if you're the Raiders and John Spytech, you
could not give a first round pick now after that?
Would I give a second round pick for him, Yes,
I would be highly interested in doing something like that,
but the first round pick, and to me, if you're
the Bengals, you can't get rid of him. Speaking about
first round picks, Michael Pennix Junior, he showed a lot
of promise last year at the end of the season
with the Falcons. Their offense ranked among the top ten
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offenses in the NFL in the final three weeks of
the season. Heading into year two, the OC Zach Robinson
gave some high praise to Panis's ability under center.
Speaker 7 (18:11):
It's a trait that really you look at the best
qbs around the league. They all have different angles. They
can drop it down, you know, if you need to
go up and over the top of the defender.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
Got to be able to do that.
Speaker 7 (18:21):
Mike has as quick a release as I've ever been around,
in terms of how quickly the ball comes out of
his hand and the way that he's able to get
it out of his hand and to the receiver. How
quickly it happens is pretty special.
Speaker 6 (18:34):
What do you think Colin the Atlanta Falcons, Michael Penis,
are you are you buying in?
Speaker 3 (18:39):
Because last year a lot of people picked him. Cousins
fell off a cliff.
Speaker 6 (18:42):
This year Panics who were both fans of in college
Atlanta Falcons, though they lose a lot.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
I thought his calm was a bigger, stronger Tua. That
he throws an incredibly catchable ball. He's an accurate thrower.
He know, he played in bad way at Indiana and
Washington and college. Now he gets to a dome, so
you know that's something like Tua tends to be a
warm weather quarterback. Penis Penix is playing in rain and
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wind and lousy weather.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
I think he throws a great ball, and it's funny.
Left handed batters in baseball just look cooler. Agreed, there
is something about a left handed athlete. Phil Mickelson swinging
the golf club, Tony Gwinn, the late Tony Gwynn, swinging
the bat like I love the way the ball looks.
From my I thought he threw the best deep ball
in college. I saw him play live. It is beautiful.
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He throws a beautiful ball. I do think a couple
of problems for them. I think tam is going to
be pretty good this year. I mean they've been pretty
good the last couple years.
Speaker 6 (19:42):
I think Caroline is a team on the rise. They're
going to be a lot better. Well, Mac Brown was
telling story after story. I was looking at the internet
the last twenty four hours. They have lost two offensive linemen.
They lost a guy yesterday and they had a guy
carted off today. So that offensive line, which has been
a strength of the team, there's only five of them.
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So if I removed too, we're talking what forty percent immediately?
These are long term injuries. Potentially that would be a
problem because remember Panis had a really, really good offensive
line in college.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
Yes, also remember John because you're not paying Panix and
I don't know how are they still paying any of
the Kirk Cousins in.
Speaker 6 (20:21):
The still he's the backup making twenty eight million dollars.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
I was gonna say, because they they could be a
team that makes a trade early in the season if
they like Panis in that division, they start off three
and one. I could see them saying. Penix has some
injury history at Indiana. I could see them making a
move for an interior offensive lineman. Trade deadlines like week
goes up the week eight, so that that's an interesting
team I could see. I mean, you don't want a
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young quarterback that has an injury history getting banged on
if he if he if they can't protect him because
they gave up Drew Dolman. Remember Drew Dolman went to
the Bears. He was a top five center in the league.
So there they started with an issue, a little bit
of a hole on their interior line.
Speaker 6 (21:03):
And while Pennix, remember he ran a really fast forty
at the combine, He's not a running guy. He's a
hockey quarterback. Okay, speaking of quarterbacks, the Cardinals, they're coming
off an eight to nine season where they started but
faded and after the bye we can finish third in
the NFC West. Kyler Murray is entering his seventh God
this seems crazy NFL season, but as yet to win
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a playoff game in Arizona, and Matt Liiner, former Cardinal quarterback,
says it's time to take the next step, which is
the playoffs. It's a winnable division. He has to put
it together this year. Is this a make or break
year for Kyler Murray in Arizona, Colin.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
I think it.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
Is because of the stuff off the field.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
I am a supporter. I'm like that throw right there.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
I'll tell you, John, you live down in Arizona, so
you see more of the local stuff and read more
of it.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
I like their roster, yeah, I really do.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
And I think I think the coach a little bit
like Seattle's coach. Defensive guy I think is young and sharp.
You know, j Max said this a week ago. He
has them in the playoffs. I would be I would
not be shocked if you told me to end up
winning eleven games. They have got I mean you start
looking at McBride and Harrison and Murray. They've got some
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STARp Buddha Baker, They've got star players in key spots.
Speaker 6 (22:23):
Well they had I mean a lot of people think
they had an excellent draft. Will Johnson the star corner
for Michigan. A lot of people are like, oh, he's
too slow. They got in the second round. He's been
making plays of practice. I just don't think if you
put a top ten quarterback on their team. I think
they could if you put Joe Burrow on their team,
they win like fourteen games, their rosters really good.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
Yeah, I just don't trust this quarterback.
Speaker 6 (22:45):
He had his first three season colin game he threw
one of the worst picks so far of the of August.
And he's a starting quarterback, seventh year guy making huge money.
No one disputes his physical ability.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
Hard for him to.
Speaker 6 (22:57):
See, so he's always got to be on the move
and his decision making. Sometimes when the ball leaves his
hand is beautiful. Sometimes it hits the other team. In stripe,
he throws terrible interceptions.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Yeah he does. He's a little bit of a mercurial
personality too. But man, when he's on, he throws when
he is on, like he was against the Rams last
year and he had a perfect passer rate. When he
is on, he's a nightmare. He gave the Niners trouble.
Like when he's moving around, he's feeling it, he's not
getting hit.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
He's a handful. Yeah, he's a talent. John with the news,
Well that's the news and thanks for stopping by The.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
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Speaker 1 (23:47):
What a pleasure was to have Mac Brown on the
show today. And you know, some we have to we
have to acknowledge that some kids do not get a
great support system when they're young. And Arch Manning comes
from stability, great parents, grandparents, the Manning families really smart,
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really classy, and you know, they're they're well healed, they've
got you know, they're they didn't they got money, so
and all that stuff can help. All the money, can
you know, more money, more problems. But I think one
of the things about Arch Manning, he feels really mature
for his age. And you know, I was you know,
his granddad, arch Archie Manning, played for the Saints, who's
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actually a really good athlete. And Mac Brown talked about
Arch at Texas and his his future.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
I've been around Arch enough.
Speaker 4 (24:42):
He's just the smart he's uh self deprecating. He'll he'll laugh,
he he he'll he'll talk about people that have said
critical things of him and say, yeah, I understand that.
It's just I haven't played a lot yet, and so
I'm I'm really excited to watch him play.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
I was really kind of impressed me last year as
a backup playing behind somebody. I think he's as good
or better than didn't say a word in the world
of transfer portal and Nil. He was making some money,
but that impressed me. Then I asked Mac about I
do think not every great NFL coach would have the
patience or the temperament for college football and boosters and
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the NCAA and athletic directors. And I don't think Belichick
ten years ago would have succeeded in college football. Saban's
got a bigger personality. Saban and Belichick are linked. Are
the same guy nother or not?
Speaker 3 (25:37):
Nick?
Speaker 1 (25:37):
Nick is very funny, Nick loves to speak. Nick is
great on TV. Nick is a really really you know, photogenic, smart,
fun lively.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
Bill kind of tolerates the media, you know, it's an
uncomfortable smile. But I do think the NIL really helps
Bill because it's basically free agency. It's going and buying players,
and I think that really helps him. And Mac Brown
talks about Belichick and his tarhell future.
Speaker 4 (26:06):
The man can coach, he can evaluate because he had
to bring in all those kids at the Patriots and
now administrators don't like to say it, but we have
pro football at some level in college. We no longer
have amateurism. We have payment scales, We've got NIL. Kids
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are asking for money, they have agents, there's negotiations. So
I do think the fact that we are much more
like the NFL than ever before will really help build
with this transition.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
Yeah, there's this feeling that, you know, NFL guys are
better coaches, they'll go to college football. In the NFL,
you're as good as your quarterback. Belichick's a great example.
In college, you're as good as your recruiting. You don't
have to have a great quarterback.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
Now.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Now, Dabosweeney had Trevor Lawrence and Deshaun Watson. That helped
a lot, But I mean Nick Samon won a lot
of titles with average quarterbacks, so.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
Don't even need to name them. You know who they are.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
So college football is about recruiting, and I don't think
Belichick would have been a great high school recruiter, but
I do think the NIL allows him to write checks,
and he and Mike Lombardi, you know, and Lobarti's a
good personnel guy. I think they'll figure it out. I
am at much like Dion Sanders Opener against TCU. I
am I have no idea what they're going to look like.
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Didn't Max say they have seventy transfers? John seventy? I mean,
if you bring on five free agents, that's like whoa
slow down? It may damage chemistry. Seventy new players are
seventy new people in a new step. I don't know
what the number is, but it's a lot. I thought
it was forty, but I just don't. I think it's,
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you know, again, limited hours. I don't know what to
make of Carolina.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
If it actually is seventy, I'm out on them.
Speaker 6 (27:53):
There's no way. I mean, that's just especially him, it's
very His scheme is pretty intense.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
I mean.
Speaker 6 (28:00):
The other thing I'd find funny is like players now
ask for money, they'll just go into the office right
in college.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
I need a raise.
Speaker 6 (28:06):
Well, Bill for twenty years was known for saying no,
you know, not paying him. And now he's just gonna
say yes to all these guys. I mean, his whole
thing when he hung his hat on that made him
a great NFL personnel guy or make great personnel moves.
Was not willing to quote unquote over pay guys. Now
there's a salary caps a little different, but still let
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me be fascinated. When the first guy knocks on his
door and wants a big Rays mid season, how Bill reacts.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
The staff just sent this to me. They added forty
incoming players. Now the quarterbacks. The kid named Gio Lopez,
and I went and YouTube around Alabama or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
he he's athletic guy. You know, it'd be interesting to watch.
He's obviously got some talent, or Bill wouldn't have recruited him,
by the way, I said this sort of he to
Aaron Rodgers steeler helmet. He's complained about it. It's awful.
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It's just too big. It's a spaceship. So the staff
came out with ideas. Now the bucket. Look, I don't
think that's gonna work. That doesn't that doesn't seem like
it would pass safety protocols. Oh yeah, that that's not
gonna work. No, that's not gonna work either. No, these
are bad ideas. I thought his helmet was bad.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
These are worse.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
No, that's the guys. That's not gonna work either. Sorry
to the radio audience, these are you don't even need
to see these. These are terrible ideas. Is that a
drum set? No, that's that's probably be a.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
Little disconnectioned yahuasca tent. No, that's no coffeemaker. That's not
gonna work either. We'll see you tomorrow
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Well, I've been looking forward to this all day. Mac
Brown the national champion head coach with Texas. I mean,
he knows, he knows where all the skeletons are buried
in this sport, and there's a lot of change.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
And I always thought Mac.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Had the ability to teach and coach in a joyful way.
He lovely did when he returned to Carolina. The players
loved him. But sometimes it's just time to move to
the hill country in Austin, Texas and enjoy life a
little bit. And Mac Brown is now joining us live.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Coach.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
You know, I was thinking about this everybody, And I've
said this before. I think I said years ago the
best job in football in America is coaching the Texas Longhorns.
And I said that, and a coach texted me and
he goes listen it's a good job he goes, but
there's a lot of drama. There's a lot of boosters,
there's a lot of stuff the Longhorned Network. And I
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love Sark. I really do love Sark, but I think
it's one of those jobs coach.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
It's a little harder than people think.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
You know, at Alabama football runs everything, but at Texas
it's a music town, it's a food towns. When you
watch Sark coach, do you envy him or do you
understand sometimes what he's going through.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
I think it's a great question, Colin, but I really
think it's both ways. I love the University of Texas.
I think it is the best job in the country,
and especially within ale because you've got chance, because you've
got people that are passionate in the care and the
only way you'd manage it you got to take their
passion and it's really pride and it's not pressure, and
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they want to win so badly, and you've got to
be able to handle all the outside. No, he's in
Sarks coached at Washington, he's coached at USC, so he's
done all this.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
He's been there, done that.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
I really like him and I respect him and he's
doing a tremendous job. But after you coach at Texas,
it's it's really tough because you really got everything you need.
When I first got there, I asked the loss dout.
I said, I like to buy this to does it
fit in our budget? And he said, coach, you don't
have a budget. Whatever you want. I said, we don't
have a budget and he said no. Man, you go
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through it and then ask the loss one time. As
our athletics director, how hard is your job? And he said,
when you're winning, mine's easy. When you're losing, I don't.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
Have a job that's pressure. That's so good.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
They have arch Manning and the Manning family is classy, smart.
I mean arch Manning could have transferred, not interested supported
in yours. I maybe I'm worrying about something that doesn't matter.
Tim Tebow became like a celebrity quarterback Cam Newton in college.
Would you be worried about the burden, the expectation the celebrity?
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I mean, you got Texas's program, the Manning name. Would
you be a little worried about that if you were
sart coming into the season.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
Yes, And you have less worries because Archie Manning's the granddad,
and Eli and pateon their uncles, and Cooper's been through
this whole ride with all of them, the dad, uh
and this this family handles that they got class, they
got charisma, they got confidence, they have done all of
these things they need to do.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
And I've been around arch enough.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
He's just a smart he's uh self deprecating. He'll he'll laugh,
he he he'll he'll talk about people that have said
critical things of him and say, yeah, I can understand that.
It's just I haven't played a lot yet, and so
I'm really excited to watch him play. I watch Chris
Sims go through this with his dad winning a super
Bowl at Texas and Nat. I watched Vince Young and
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his last year going through Is he gonna win the Heisman?
Speaker 3 (04:10):
Is? Is he better than Matt Liners? You better than
Reggie Bush?
Speaker 4 (04:13):
And and Vince has got a really good perspective on
being the quarterback here. But arch is really into the guys.
He's into that locker room, and that's what's so critical
for a quarterback. And and the thing Colin I think
people miss on Arch is Archie could run.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
Granddad. We all saw him. I played, Yeah, yeah, you.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
Could run, and and Eli and Peyton were they could run,
but there were more pocket quarterbacks. Arch can run and
and that will give him a chance. They got four
new offensive Lindman, so that's going to be difficult going
to Ohio State. But when you've got a quarterback that
can run, it makes those offensive blindmen.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
Look a lot better.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
You know, So Belichick takes your gig. It's interesting because
you when a legend like you retires, they bring in
a young hot shot.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
They didn't.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
They brought in an old NFL guy who's who kind
of has a way of doing things. I think I'll
throw it and give you my take. I think NIL
saves Bill. I don't think Bill would have succeeded in
the old way of building through high school players, but
the NIL is almost professional football. I think it gives
him a chance. But I also think Mac seventeen hours Max,
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I mean, you don't get the hours. You can't have
a sixty hour week. Kids have more power. There's a
lot of stuff here where I'm like, I don't know,
give me your crystal ball. What do you think Bill
will handle effortlessly? And what could be something that'll he'll
kick around a little bit. Well.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
The first thing, Colin Chancellor Lee Roberts has committed the
football big time for the first time in North Carolina history.
They are really wanting football to be good, so they're
all in and that gives them a chance.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
To be successful.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
Bill is arguably the best coach of any sport. When
you win that many Super Bowls at whatever level, the
man can coach, he can evaluate because he had to
bring in all those kids at the Patriots and now
administrators don't like to say it, but we have pro
football at some level in college.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
We no longer have amateurism.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
We have payment scals, we've got nil kids are asking
for money, they have agenciers negotiations. So I do think
the fact that we are much more like the NFL
than ever before will really help Bill with this transition.
The other thing is every coach wants his own players
and takes you two or three years to get your
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guys in there. He's brought in seventy two new guys,
so you got money, you can evaluate and you can
bring in who you want. I think he has a
chance to win big and win big fast.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
We were talking about this. It seems like about every
third year you get a really really good quarterback class
and Caid Clubnick is I swear?
Speaker 3 (07:05):
Is he from Austin? He maybe from Austin, Texas?
Speaker 4 (07:07):
It is he?
Speaker 3 (07:09):
Yes, right, Westlake High School? That's right. Yeah, So where
you're at, he's from there.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
So I went back and I watched his high school stuff,
and I went I went deep diving a couple and
I saw him play a few times for Clemson. He
moves like arch Manning. He can move a little bit.
Now he's he'll four six five, he can run. You
faced him, I think twice at Carolina. I remember one
for sure, twice. What when you after those games? Was
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he better in person? Were there things he struggled with?
Give me a give me a little bit of a
If I'm an NFL GM and I call you, I say, Mac,
I'm thinking of drafting Caid Club Nick, give me a
thumbnail sketch on him.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
What do you What do you think of him? Well?
I saw him in high school. My son went to
Westlake High School.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
Todd Dodge was his coach, and I knew Todd really
really well. We recruited him and couldn't get him to come.
I think he's really really good. The two times that
we played him. The first time he was good, but okay,
maybe a little cautious. Last year, at the end of
the year he got really confident. He nearly brought him
back in Austin in a huge game playoff game. But
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especially for him at home. He's tough, he can run,
he can throw, he's accurate, he's confident, and I think
he gives Clemson a chance to be really, really good.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Yeah, you know Clemson hasn't done the NIL stuff. You
were a legendary recruiter, Belichick, Deon Sanders, Lincoln Riley, Brian Kelly,
They're all in on it. I worry that NIL erodes chemistry.
That's what I worry about. I feel like you don't
know the odometer on a used car. I like to
know what I know about. My guys have been recruited
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since they were high school sophomores. What did you make
of NIL?
Speaker 3 (08:48):
Does it? I mean, forget the pay in.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
The players kid, they obviously deserve some compensation, but what
does it do to a locker room? Does anything worry
you about the portal or nil?
Speaker 3 (08:59):
Colin is another great question.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
I do think the major programs, the brand programs that
are going to have the majority of the money. It's
going to ruin the competitive balance in college football because
we're going to have the same fifteen playing at the end.
And if you've got enough money to recruit high school
players and keep them, then in ail's not going to
bother you when you bringing in all.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
The different guys. It's really hard.
Speaker 4 (09:22):
So what we learned is if you've got money and
you buy a team, it doesn't mean.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
You're going to win. Number One, you got to buy
the right ones.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
Number two, they've all got to fit well in that
locker room. You've got to mesh together as a team,
which is hard in a short period of time. And
number three, they've got to be unselfish. And that's one
thing we're looking at right now. I saw Cedric Benson
in the locker room after we beat Michigan in the
Rose Bowl, sit there crying because he didn't want to
take his uniform off and he was a first round
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draft choice and he just sat there and I said,
why are you crying? He said, this is the last
time I'll ever have this unifor And I'm not sure
we're going to have that loyalty at schools that are
bringing in all the transfers now as much as the
one like sarcle only brought in ten transfers ten eleven.
He's building it with hoschool guys. Clemson is building it
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with hoschool guys. They bring in a few transfers, but
not many. So at the highest level, if you can
continue to bring in and develop the right guys, and
you're recruiting the right guys, I think you're going to
have the chance to be the most consistent program programs
in the long haul through this Nile period.
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Speaker 1 (11:05):
I'm I'm kind of with sark on that or like,
if you're Ohio State and you bring in like Caleb Downs,
if you can bring in a first round pick, go
get him by all means.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
But I worry about that.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
Oh.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
By the way, I gotta ask you about Drake May So.
I like.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
One of the things I like about Drake may he
was your quarterback for several years, is that I like
he comes from a family of athletes and older brothers,
and there is something about that coach about the toughness,
you know, playing with your brothers buddies and you're getting
thrown around the basketball court and the football. Give me,
did you notice that with Drake? Cause in the NFL
as a rookie, they're gonna haze you. They're gonna be
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on you. You're carrying luggage, they're getting Ravel's a tough guy.
What about Drake May impressed you? Beyond the size the arm?
What else did you like about it?
Speaker 4 (11:49):
He said, when he was a kid, he had to
fight for food. He had all those brothers in there,
so everything he did he would have to compete and fight.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
So they'd played pickleball and get mad. And one day
I walked in.
Speaker 4 (12:02):
The player's lounge and there was a broken ping pong
paddle and I said, who broke the paddle? And he's
sitting over in the corner and they all pointed to Drake.
I said, Drake, why did you break the paddle? He said,
the tight end beat me in ping pong? Can you
imagine the tight end beat me in ping pong? And
I said, yeah, but I still think you can keep
the paddle clean without breaking it. But he is so competitive,
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he's smart, he's got a great heart. He is a
wonderful team leader. He'll have that locker room fighting for
him in every minute, and I just love him. I
think he's a quarterback that's going to win a Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
Oh that's great. Okay.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
Finally, Mack and I talked for a couple of minutes
before we went on the air, and he moved to Austin, Texas,
which is one of America's great cities. And I'm not
telling you where, but I know what golf course he's on,
and it's darn nice.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
I'll tell you that.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
And I told you during the break, I said, my
wife said you need to get a hobby, and I
could never find one. And then two years ago, well
I got oddly, bizarrely into obsessed with golf, and I
just crazy, like you know, just I'm into it all
the time. And tell me a little bit about are
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you playing golf regularly, Colin?
Speaker 3 (13:19):
I'm playing just about every day.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
I'm playing six holes, nine holes, twelve holes, and I
just love it. And as a coach, you played, but
you played with boosters. They were asking about the quarterback
or why'd you do this, or why'd you do that?
They told you you can play bad, but don't play
bad and slow.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
You got to play fast. You never practice.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
You're always shaking hands before you hit the ball on
the first tee in a tournament. So I've never been
able to really play golf and enjoy it. And now
I am just absolutely loving it. So I'm doing my work,
I'm doing some stuff, and then I head to the
golf course.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
And what is your You have a friend that told
me I want I want you to share this with
our audience because it really is so true. What did
your You have a friend that's a golfer, What did
he tell you about golf?
Speaker 4 (14:06):
I was playing with my friend the other day and
he was playing awful. He was really struggling. So He
looked at me at the end of the match and
he said, uh, you know, coach, this is really interesting golf.
I said, wait, wait, talking about budd and he said,
it costs a lot of money. It takes all day
to play four and a half five hours. You hit
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a lot of bad shots and it makes you absolutely miserable,
and as soon as you get through, you can't wait
to get back on the fortlow. And I think that's god.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
It's expensive. I mean, it checks.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Every bad.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
And when you get home, your wife's man, where have
you been? Did you have a note? It's awful. I
had so many bad shots. Yeah, it's so true.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
It's great to see you as Oh, it was great,
great American sports storyteller.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
Mac. I love you, Thank you so much.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
Thanks Colin, love you and appreciate what you did.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
All right, Mac Brown, that is so maddeningly true about golf.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
It checks everything.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
That you would hate about any activity, and you cannot
wait to play. Driving home, you're like, oh, I hit
back to back shots on the sixth hole that were
pretty good, and that'll that gets the car to turn
around eventually go back.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
That's unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
Now by middle Cough John is is Now, You're only
in your forties and you're already obsessed.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
Am I right?
Speaker 6 (15:32):
I like swinging the sticks a little bit. I consume
I watched a lot of golf content. I'm a football guy,
but golf pride my first love.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
Yeah, John with the.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
News, no, no news, this is the herdline news.
Speaker 6 (15:49):
Well, we talked about Burrow earlier today, and obviously the
Trey Hendrickson contract saga continues as he continues his hold
in at Bengals camp. We discussed yesterday that the two
sides are nowhere close to guaranteed with the guaranteed money.
With that said, one anonymous NFL executive says there is
no doubt that the Raiders would be the front runners
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to lan Henderson if he's traded Colin. Should the Raiders
make a move for the defensive end.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Well, I mean between you know, in a division with
Bo Nixon, Peyton and harbaughn Herbert and Andy Reid, the
way to neutralize that is have two of the top
four edge rushers in football with Max Crosby and Hendrickson.
I mean, you know, if you're not paying your quarterback
Matt Stafford money or Mahomes money. Gino got a good contract,
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but it's more in line with Baker and Sam Darnold.
There are I mean, when Tom Brady was in his
division or Peyton Manning and his you would spend money
on edge rushers, you would spend money on pass rushers.
Speaker 6 (16:51):
I do think the last two years Bowers Genti, the
first round picks for the Raiders are really important.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
Here's the problem Brady, their.
Speaker 6 (16:59):
New gen manager, John spy Tech thinking big picture, right,
what we're gonna do for the next five ten years.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
Pete Carroll's seventy three.
Speaker 6 (17:07):
Look at Pete Carroll and Seattle traded for Percy Harvin,
traded for Jimmy Graham, traded.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
For Jamal Adams.
Speaker 6 (17:12):
I think Pete Carroll a couple of weeks ago they
asked him, like, what's your plan this year?
Speaker 3 (17:15):
He's like to win.
Speaker 6 (17:16):
I've been winning ten games a year for twenty plus year.
Pete Carroll's not there for building this thing up for
Ben the next Ben Johnson in.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
Three years to take over. So if you would want
to make this trade.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
They are noticeably better at coaching and quarterback and they
gave I mean, they were a tough outlack. Kansas City
should have lost, could have lost to him twice.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
They were a tough out last year.
Speaker 6 (17:40):
To me, if you're the Raiders and John Spytech, you
could not give a first round pick now after that?
Would I give a second round pick for him, Yes,
I would be highly interested in doing something like that,
but the first round pick, and to me, if you're
the Bengals, you can't get rid of him. Speaking about
first round picks, Michael Pennix Junior, he showed a lot
of promise last year at the end of the season
with the Falcons. Their offense ranked among the top ten
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offenses in the NFL in the final three weeks of
the season. Heading into year two, the OC Zach Robinson
gave some high praise to Panis's ability under center.
Speaker 7 (18:11):
It's a trait that really you look at the best
qbs around the league. They all have different angles. They
can drop it down, you know, if you need to
go up and over the top of the defender.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
Got to be able to do that.
Speaker 7 (18:21):
Mike has as quick a release as I've ever been around,
in terms of how quickly the ball comes out of
his hand and the way that he's able to get
it out of his hand and to the receiver. How
quickly it happens is pretty special.
Speaker 6 (18:34):
What do you think Colin the Atlanta Falcons, Michael Penis,
are you are you buying in?
Speaker 3 (18:39):
Because last year a lot of people picked him. Cousins
fell off a cliff.
Speaker 6 (18:42):
This year Panics who were both fans of in college
Atlanta Falcons, though they lose a lot.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
I thought his calm was a bigger, stronger Tua. That
he throws an incredibly catchable ball. He's an accurate thrower.
He know, he played in bad way at Indiana and
Washington and college. Now he gets to a dome, so
you know that's something like Tua tends to be a
warm weather quarterback. Penis Penix is playing in rain and
(19:09):
wind and lousy weather.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
I think he throws a great ball, and it's funny.
Left handed batters in baseball just look cooler. Agreed, there
is something about a left handed athlete. Phil Mickelson swinging
the golf club, Tony Gwinn, the late Tony Gwynn, swinging
the bat like I love the way the ball looks.
From my I thought he threw the best deep ball
in college. I saw him play live. It is beautiful.
(19:34):
He throws a beautiful ball. I do think a couple
of problems for them. I think tam is going to
be pretty good this year. I mean they've been pretty
good the last couple years.
Speaker 6 (19:42):
I think Caroline is a team on the rise. They're
going to be a lot better. Well, Mac Brown was
telling story after story. I was looking at the internet
the last twenty four hours. They have lost two offensive linemen.
They lost a guy yesterday and they had a guy
carted off today. So that offensive line, which has been
a strength of the team, there's only five of them.
(20:03):
So if I removed too, we're talking what forty percent immediately?
These are long term injuries. Potentially that would be a
problem because remember Panis had a really, really good offensive
line in college.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
Yes, also remember John because you're not paying Panix and
I don't know how are they still paying any of
the Kirk Cousins in.
Speaker 6 (20:21):
The still he's the backup making twenty eight million dollars.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
I was gonna say, because they they could be a
team that makes a trade early in the season if
they like Panis in that division, they start off three
and one. I could see them saying. Penix has some
injury history at Indiana. I could see them making a
move for an interior offensive lineman. Trade deadlines like week
goes up the week eight, so that that's an interesting
team I could see. I mean, you don't want a
(20:46):
young quarterback that has an injury history getting banged on
if he if he if they can't protect him because
they gave up Drew Dolman. Remember Drew Dolman went to
the Bears. He was a top five center in the league.
So there they started with an issue, a little bit
of a hole on their interior line.
Speaker 6 (21:03):
And while Pennix, remember he ran a really fast forty
at the combine, He's not a running guy. He's a
hockey quarterback. Okay, speaking of quarterbacks, the Cardinals, they're coming
off an eight to nine season where they started but
faded and after the bye we can finish third in
the NFC West. Kyler Murray is entering his seventh God
this seems crazy NFL season, but as yet to win
(21:24):
a playoff game in Arizona, and Matt Liiner, former Cardinal quarterback,
says it's time to take the next step, which is
the playoffs. It's a winnable division. He has to put
it together this year. Is this a make or break
year for Kyler Murray in Arizona, Colin.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
I think it.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
Is because of the stuff off the field.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
I am a supporter. I'm like that throw right there.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
I'll tell you, John, you live down in Arizona, so
you see more of the local stuff and read more
of it.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
I like their roster, yeah, I really do.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
And I think I think the coach a little bit
like Seattle's coach. Defensive guy I think is young and sharp.
You know, j Max said this a week ago. He
has them in the playoffs. I would be I would
not be shocked if you told me to end up
winning eleven games. They have got I mean you start
looking at McBride and Harrison and Murray. They've got some
(22:20):
STARp Buddha Baker, They've got star players in key spots.
Speaker 6 (22:23):
Well they had I mean a lot of people think
they had an excellent draft. Will Johnson the star corner
for Michigan. A lot of people are like, oh, he's
too slow. They got in the second round. He's been
making plays of practice. I just don't think if you
put a top ten quarterback on their team. I think
they could if you put Joe Burrow on their team,
they win like fourteen games, their rosters really good.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
Yeah, I just don't trust this quarterback.
Speaker 6 (22:45):
He had his first three season colin game he threw
one of the worst picks so far of the of August.
And he's a starting quarterback, seventh year guy making huge money.
No one disputes his physical ability.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
Hard for him to.
Speaker 6 (22:57):
See, so he's always got to be on the move
and his decision making. Sometimes when the ball leaves his
hand is beautiful. Sometimes it hits the other team. In stripe,
he throws terrible interceptions.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Yeah he does. He's a little bit of a mercurial
personality too. But man, when he's on, he throws when
he is on, like he was against the Rams last
year and he had a perfect passer rate. When he
is on, he's a nightmare. He gave the Niners trouble.
Like when he's moving around, he's feeling it, he's not
getting hit.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
He's a handful. Yeah, he's a talent. John with the news,
Well that's the news and thanks for stopping by The.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
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Speaker 1 (23:47):
What a pleasure was to have Mac Brown on the
show today. And you know, some we have to we
have to acknowledge that some kids do not get a
great support system when they're young. And Arch Manning comes
from stability, great parents, grandparents, the Manning families really smart,
(24:12):
really classy, and you know, they're they're well healed, they've
got you know, they're they didn't they got money, so
and all that stuff can help. All the money, can
you know, more money, more problems. But I think one
of the things about Arch Manning, he feels really mature
for his age. And you know, I was you know,
his granddad, arch Archie Manning, played for the Saints, who's
(24:34):
actually a really good athlete. And Mac Brown talked about
Arch at Texas and his his future.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
I've been around Arch enough.
Speaker 4 (24:42):
He's just the smart he's uh self deprecating. He'll he'll laugh,
he he he'll he'll talk about people that have said
critical things of him and say, yeah, I understand that.
It's just I haven't played a lot yet, and so
I'm I'm really excited to watch him play.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
I was really kind of impressed me last year as
a backup playing behind somebody. I think he's as good
or better than didn't say a word in the world
of transfer portal and Nil. He was making some money,
but that impressed me. Then I asked Mac about I
do think not every great NFL coach would have the
patience or the temperament for college football and boosters and
(25:24):
the NCAA and athletic directors. And I don't think Belichick
ten years ago would have succeeded in college football. Saban's
got a bigger personality. Saban and Belichick are linked. Are
the same guy nother or not?
Speaker 3 (25:37):
Nick?
Speaker 1 (25:37):
Nick is very funny, Nick loves to speak. Nick is
great on TV. Nick is a really really you know, photogenic, smart,
fun lively.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
Bill kind of tolerates the media, you know, it's an
uncomfortable smile. But I do think the NIL really helps
Bill because it's basically free agency. It's going and buying players,
and I think that really helps him. And Mac Brown
talks about Belichick and his tarhell future.
Speaker 4 (26:06):
The man can coach, he can evaluate because he had
to bring in all those kids at the Patriots and
now administrators don't like to say it, but we have
pro football at some level in college. We no longer
have amateurism. We have payment scales, We've got NIL. Kids
(26:26):
are asking for money, they have agents, there's negotiations. So
I do think the fact that we are much more
like the NFL than ever before will really help build
with this transition.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
Yeah, there's this feeling that, you know, NFL guys are
better coaches, they'll go to college football. In the NFL,
you're as good as your quarterback. Belichick's a great example.
In college, you're as good as your recruiting. You don't
have to have a great quarterback.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
Now.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Now, Dabosweeney had Trevor Lawrence and Deshaun Watson. That helped
a lot, But I mean Nick Samon won a lot
of titles with average quarterbacks, so.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
Don't even need to name them. You know who they are.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
So college football is about recruiting, and I don't think
Belichick would have been a great high school recruiter, but
I do think the NIL allows him to write checks,
and he and Mike Lombardi, you know, and Lobarti's a
good personnel guy. I think they'll figure it out. I
am at much like Dion Sanders Opener against TCU. I
am I have no idea what they're going to look like.
(27:25):
Didn't Max say they have seventy transfers? John seventy? I mean,
if you bring on five free agents, that's like whoa
slow down? It may damage chemistry. Seventy new players are
seventy new people in a new step. I don't know
what the number is, but it's a lot. I thought
it was forty, but I just don't. I think it's,
(27:46):
you know, again, limited hours. I don't know what to
make of Carolina.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
If it actually is seventy, I'm out on them.
Speaker 6 (27:53):
There's no way. I mean, that's just especially him, it's
very His scheme is pretty intense.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
I mean.
Speaker 6 (28:00):
The other thing I'd find funny is like players now
ask for money, they'll just go into the office right
in college.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
I need a raise.
Speaker 6 (28:06):
Well, Bill for twenty years was known for saying no,
you know, not paying him. And now he's just gonna
say yes to all these guys. I mean, his whole
thing when he hung his hat on that made him
a great NFL personnel guy or make great personnel moves.
Was not willing to quote unquote over pay guys. Now
there's a salary caps a little different, but still let
(28:26):
me be fascinated. When the first guy knocks on his
door and wants a big Rays mid season, how Bill reacts.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
The staff just sent this to me. They added forty
incoming players. Now the quarterbacks. The kid named Gio Lopez,
and I went and YouTube around Alabama or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
he he's athletic guy. You know, it'd be interesting to watch.
He's obviously got some talent, or Bill wouldn't have recruited him,
by the way, I said this sort of he to
Aaron Rodgers steeler helmet. He's complained about it. It's awful.
(28:56):
It's just too big. It's a spaceship. So the staff
came out with ideas. Now the bucket. Look, I don't
think that's gonna work. That doesn't that doesn't seem like
it would pass safety protocols. Oh yeah, that that's not
gonna work. No, that's not gonna work either. No, these
are bad ideas. I thought his helmet was bad.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
These are worse.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
No, that's the guys. That's not gonna work either. Sorry
to the radio audience, these are you don't even need
to see these. These are terrible ideas. Is that a
drum set? No, that's that's probably be a.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
Little disconnectioned yahuasca tent. No, that's no coffeemaker. That's not
gonna work either. We'll see you tomorrow
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