August 22, 2025 • 29 mins
NFL insider Robert Mays joins the show to tell Danny if the Cowboys and Parsons will settle their contract dispute before the regular season begins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 3 (00:26):
Back in on the Herd of Danny parkins in for
Colin Cowherd. Chris Philika the Bear joins us in about
twenty minutes. But I'm excited about this joining us now
on the Herd. The host of the Terrific The Athletics
Football Show is my buddy Robert Mays. And you know, Robert,
I was thinking about texting you, I was thinking about
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calling you, and then I was like, now, let's just
do it.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
On national TV.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
I listened to I listened to your podcast on the
twenty twenty four draft class, and you know you you
root for the Bears. You're in Chicago. You like me,
watched every pass with Caleb Williams last year. But when
you did that podcast, you were talking about how you
had thought the most question marks were about Caleb, and
I was surprised there was definitely plenty of bad He
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was not as good as many of us thought he
was going to be, but there were so many things
that contributed to it. I'm wondering if you are feeling
better after the preseason game against.
Speaker 5 (01:23):
Buffalo, It'd be hard not to feel better when you
look at how on time and mechanically sound the offense felt.
Just watching him operate with a level of urgency and
confidence and just the pre snap operation and clearly how
in command of that he feels. I've always had faith
that with Ben Johnson this could be corrected. I watched
what Ben Johnson did with Jared Goff, and I remember
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what Jared Goff looked like near the end in Los Angeles.
So I think there's a big gap that Caleb has
to close based on how he played last year. But
when you'd go from the worst possible circumstances in terms
of how the offense is being articulated to a quarterback,
the intent of certain plays to what is going to
be one of the best situations in the NFL, when
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it comes to all that stuff, you can see a
drastically different result. So I think that I was a
little bit worried about some of that stuff last year.
I absolutely still have faith that it can get cleaned
up with the right coaching, and I think Ben Johnson
is the right coach.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
So what do you believe Calebly It's not necessarily this year,
But where do you have him in terms of a ceiling?
What can he still become? It's a great question.
Speaker 5 (02:27):
I don't know exactly where I land on that because
I don't know how many quarterbacks are like him in
the NFL that are actually analogous to him when it
comes to play style and what he's bringing to the table.
Speaker 6 (02:38):
But if you told me, I think is it currently.
Speaker 5 (02:41):
Stands in the NFL the NFL quarterback hierarchy when you
get outside of the top four guys, I think it's
pretty muddled. I think that group between like five and
fifteen right now is very fluid where there's going to
be a lot of risers and followers over the next
couple of years. If you told me at the end
of the twenty twenty sixth season, Ale Williams was the
eighth best quarterback in the league, I would believe that
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a lot of stuff would have to go right for
it to happen.
Speaker 6 (03:06):
But I think that tier, especially right now, is.
Speaker 5 (03:09):
Kind of there for the taking, depend on how depending
on how the next couple seasons go.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
So he's a part of this twenty twenty four draft class,
and I said earlier in the show, I think it's
trending that it'll be arguably the most successful draft class
in NFL history, not in terms of Super Bowls or
anything like that, but in terms of teams just getting
it right. The twenty twenty class had five guys who
signed second contracts with the team that drafted them, which
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is an NFL record. I know it's early, but I
feel like they're going to go six for six in
the first rounds. Do you look at last year's QB
classes potentially an all time one?
Speaker 6 (03:47):
I do. Obviously.
Speaker 5 (03:48):
JJ McCarthy is probably the biggest question mark, just because
we haven't seen him play, But all the other guys,
even with only a glimpse at Michael Pennock's I'm really
excited about what Michael Pennock showed last year. So the guy, hey,
if you look at the numbers, that was the least
efficient any events metric you want to take a look
at last year. Among that entire group was Caleb Williams,
and we just talked about the collective optimism that I
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think is justified. With Caleb Williams, what you saw from
Jane Daniels was undeniable. Bo Nix was so much better
than anybody could have expected.
Speaker 6 (04:17):
Drake May.
Speaker 5 (04:18):
If you look at the scenario in New England and
the personnel in New England that should have been day,
they should have had absolutely no shock or even be
a competent offense. And if you look at those numbers,
Drake May was able to actually have a functional NFL
offense with that group, which is a borderline miracle.
Speaker 6 (04:34):
So we'll see what happens this year.
Speaker 5 (04:36):
I think there are still reasonable questions about all of
these guys, but the arrow is pointed way way up
in a way that we just don't typically see with
a group as a whole.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
So I want to talk to you about Trevor Lawrence
because he is the same age as Bo Nix and
Michael Pennox, who are in that quarterback class, but he's
on his third head coach. He's had four first round
picks on the offense and some side of the ball
that he's been there. He gets Liam Khane, who helped
Baker Mayfield. To me, this feels like the last stand
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for Trevor Lawrence to prove.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
That he can be that guy.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
How do you look at it now with the situation
that he's in in Jacksonville.
Speaker 6 (05:15):
I think that's a great way to frame it.
Speaker 5 (05:16):
And if he's not going to succeed in these circumstances
and they're not perfect the offensive line, they're shooting for
the middle of the road, even if that turns out well.
But when you think about the construction of the offense
and how hard it felt in Jacksonville over the last
couple of years, and how easy it felt for Baker
Mayfield in Tampa last year, it's just a drastically different
situation in what you're requiring of the quarterback.
Speaker 6 (05:39):
And it's funny. We're doing the AFC.
Speaker 5 (05:40):
South preview on our show today and for each team
we're talking about what is success, and for me and
the Jags, part of their successful twenty twenty five would
be that we never see Trevor Lawrence's name on a
bottom third cry on ever again. And so the fact
that we're doing this right now, I think speaks to
what we don't want to be doing by the end
of this season.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
That's an interesting way to frame it. I do think
the most interesting guy maybe in the NFL this year
is his teammate, Travis Hunter. I've argued that he's going
to set the snap record as a rookie, which is
a weird record. I know that not everybody knows that
Malcolm Jenkins has the most snaps of any player in
NFL history, but he had more snaps last year in
thirteen or fourteen college games than Malcolm Jenkins did in
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sixteen games. Like, he has a chance to shatter the record.
What do you expect from Travis Hunter in year one?
Something we've never seen before.
Speaker 5 (06:30):
I don't think we've ever seen somebody play on both
sides of the ball at the.
Speaker 6 (06:33):
Clip that he is going to do it.
Speaker 5 (06:35):
Even watching the mechanics of what their practices were like
when I was down in training camp in Jacksonville, watching
him off to the side with defensive coaches while they
were going through special teams, having him switch jerseys in
the middle of a practice. We've never seen anything like this,
And it was probably ninety eight degrees and just disgustingly
humid when I was there, and he looked like he
was having the best time anyone's ever had in a
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football field, as all of the rest of us were miserable.
The way the amount of gas he has in the tank.
We should study him. I've never seen anybody like it,
and they know that even beyond the amount of snaps
on both sides of the ball, how much they're going
to put him in motion, how many just pure feet
he is going to run over the course of an
NFL game. I want some numbers on that, because I
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don't think we've ever seen anything like it before.
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Speaker 3 (07:54):
Robert Maas from The Athletic Football Show is our guest.
We'll get into the specifics of the my A thing
in a minute, but I've argued that like holdouts in
terms of missed games, they're not extinct, but they're like
an endangered species. Because the best players get paid. In
a post Leveon Bell world, it doesn't really happen. Chris
Jones is an outlier. We have three of them right now,
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Terry McLaurin, Trey Hendrickson, and Micah Parsons. Do you expect
them all to play Week one?
Speaker 5 (08:25):
I do, just because of precedent, and I know you
were talking about Micah before I came on, And I
think the Okham's razor approach to this is typically how
I do it. Like the simplest answer, and the answer
that we've seen before is the answer that we'll see again.
All of them have subtle differences between them, but these
guys are incentivized to play.
Speaker 6 (08:42):
I don't think they want to be missing game checks.
Speaker 5 (08:44):
And every single one of these teams has aspirations for
this season, and all of these players are necessary components
to that. So I'll believe it when I see it.
If none of these guys are on the field week one.
I just tend to think the way the league currently works,
like you just said, most of this stuff gets sorted
out before the actual games get started, and that's where
I sit with them.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
The McLaurin and Hendrickson ones, though right Like McLaurin, I
can see the argument, well, we know we need to
pay him, but he probably isn't as good as AJ Browns.
I could see there being some disagreement there. Hendrickson is like, Okay,
we know we need to pay him even though he's
really productive, but he's older, he's on the wrong side
of thirty. I could see there being some disagreement there.
Michael Parsons is just like universally regarded as a top three,
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top five defensive player in football for the team that
drafted him coming off of his rookie contract. It should
be easy, but for some reason, Jerry Jones doesn't want
to talk to an agent, even though David Mulgetta has
players that are on the Cowboys. It's all ridiculous. What
do you make of that one specifically, and why this
one has been so difficult in Dallas?
Speaker 6 (09:49):
Jerry is pt Burnham.
Speaker 5 (09:50):
I mean that's what he has been for way too long,
and the fact that that's his priority right now is
making a spectacle out of this team. If I were
a Cowboys fan, and we are all collectively agreeing that
some of this is to drum up interest for a
Netflix documentary or just to drum up interest for about
the franchise in general, that doesn't need any more publicity.
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It's just so hard for me to square the fact
that this is somebody who has openly talked about how
important it is for him to win another Super Bowl
and how much winning matters, and so many of his
actions are directly contradictory to that. If I was a
fan of this team, it would drive me absolutely bonkers.
Just a pure hypocrisy that consistently goes on with the
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messaging and the reality of the people that are in
charge of that franchise.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
Let's stay in the NFC East. Jackson Dart has looked
good in the preseason, but he's got two veterans in
front of him. He's got a coach and a GM
on the hot seat, and their schedule is a mess.
When do you expect to see Jackson Dart?
Speaker 6 (10:52):
I expect to see him pretty quickly, I really do.
Speaker 5 (10:54):
I just think the way that he's played in the preseason,
how warm and fuzzy Brian Dable seems to feel about this.
I've interacted with Brian Dabeles several times in my life.
Brian Dable is not a warm and fuzzy person. You
watch Brian Dable on the sideline, He's not happy about much,
and he seems to be pretty happy about what he's
getting from Jackson Dart, and you can honestly see it
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in the construction of the offense when Jackson Dart is
in there. Brian Dable is somebody that came from the
college game. Before he was the offensive coordinator of the Bills.
He spent a year, that gap year at Alabama that
so many guys seem to spend.
Speaker 6 (11:26):
He's interested in the college game.
Speaker 5 (11:28):
He consistently studies the college game, and you've already seen
some of that old miss stuff get folded into what
the Giants are. I think that on so many different levels,
the Jackson Dart experience has already been energizing for this
team and this coaching staff. The idea that they would
wait a while before tapping into that. When Russell Wilson
at this point in his career, to me, is the
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opposite of energizing. I think I want to see Jackson
Dart pretty quickly, and I wouldn't be surprised if.
Speaker 6 (11:55):
The Giants want to see Jackson Dart pretty quickly.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
All right, So let's go open end. And here, you've
been to a bunch of training camps. You cover the
NFL as in depth and as closely as anyone. What's
been the biggest learn for you? The biggest thing, oh man,
I positive, negative, good, whatever surprise that you learned on
this training camp tour.
Speaker 6 (12:17):
I would say two things.
Speaker 5 (12:18):
I think it's the collective optimism I had about the
general direction of both the Titans and the Panthers. Those
are two organizations and two teams that really haven't had
any reason for people to think that they're good things waiting.
Speaker 6 (12:34):
Around the corner.
Speaker 5 (12:35):
And when I left those two buildings, I think that
the process, the way that they've tried to build the rosters,
some of the things they're trying to do with their
young quarterbacks. I don't know if it's going to work.
I don't know if the Brice young thing is going
to continue. Based on the second half of last season,
I don't know if cam Ward is going to be good.
These are all things with young quarterbacks that there's a
little bit of murkiness, but what they've tried to do
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and how they've tried to go about things in both
of those buildings, I'm looking forward to watching both of
those offenses in Week one, And if you had asked
me that on August twenty second of last year, there's
absolutely no way. So just the general direction and how
much quiet optimism I have about both of those places,
I did not expect that before I walked into both
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of those buildings earlier this summer.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
What do you make of a team that's supposed to
compete for a Super Bowl? Gave the Eagles all that
they could handle, but has an injured quarterback and a
bad offensive line. I feel like there's a lot of
boom or bust potential right now with the Rams. There's
always boom or bust potential with this team, and they're
so hard to talk about because we discussed this a lot.
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The Rams get the benefit of the doubt, where we're
consistently talking ourselves into, oh, well, in the best version
of this team, look at what they can do.
Speaker 6 (13:49):
We don't do that with anyone else.
Speaker 5 (13:51):
We don't wish for the best version of every other
team consistently. But we've seen the Rams do it before.
They did it when they won the Super Bowl. They
did it for that stretch into twenty twenty three. When
they can thread the needle, they look special, and so
I just think that there's more volatility with that team
than almost any other in the league.
Speaker 6 (14:08):
I will say they have built.
Speaker 5 (14:10):
In contingencies with this version of it they have not
had in years past. If you remember that twenty twenty
two season and even that game Stafford missed, I believe
in twenty twenty three when Brett Rippen had to play
in Green Bay. That's why Jimmy Garoppolo is there. Now
they have a backup left tackle in DJ Humphrees. So
I think the floor is slightly higher for the Rams
than it has been in years past when they've had
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some of these injuries. But the ceiling also seems a
little bit harder to reach if your thirty seven year
old quarterback is going to have a back injury coming
into the season.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
So this is not a story that you guys would
really do a ton of on The Athletic Football Show.
But I'm just curious what has your perception been of
the media handling of the Shador Sanders story as it
relates to the validity of it as a football story.
Speaker 5 (14:59):
We know how this stuff, You know, you have to
talk about certain things because there's interest in certain things
that the tail wags the dog a lot when it
comes to sports media.
Speaker 6 (15:07):
I'm not surprised by this.
Speaker 5 (15:09):
I just think overall, the breathless coverage of every moment
of training camp, training camp stats, who looks good, who
looks bad, it's so misguided most of the time, like
we just don't have a good handle on what is
happening during these practices. You're watching it from the sideline.
You don't have a vantage point of the entire offense.
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You can't watch the entire offense, and you can't go
back and watch practice tape to understand any of the
context of what's happening. So they're inevitably there are going
to be so many silly things written and said over
the course of any given training camp, and I think
there's a very good chance most of those reside in Cleveland.
Speaker 6 (15:48):
Based on how the past month has gone.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
All right, last one, who's winning the Super Bowl.
Speaker 5 (15:57):
It pains me to say it, but I'm probably gonna
pick the Ravens. I just think that their best year
is so good right now. I love some of the
little tweaks they made on defense, with the way they
played on the back half of the season on defense
last year, and I think Lamar has reached a really
special level and they have most of those component parts
coming back on offense. They felt like the best team
in the league for stretches of last year and just
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couldn't get over the hump. They're probably top to bottom
of the team I believe in the most right now.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
Robert May is from The Athletic Football Show. I love listen, man,
this was fun.
Speaker 6 (16:28):
Thank you anytime, Bud.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
Appreciate you.
Speaker 6 (16:31):
Man.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
That's Robert Mays from the Athletic Football Show. It's a
great listen. You should check it out, all right. So
Robert Mays on the record with the Ravens and I
tend to agree, most talented roster in the NFL. Trust
that they tough to trust for me, that they'll get
it done consistently three weeks in a row in January.
Chris Felika the Bear, He's gonna help us make some money,
bear bets coming.
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Sure, we've announced it already, I.
Speaker 6 (17:08):
Know now we have. We didn't announce a date. We
didn't announce a date.
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We didn't announce the time.
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That's the big news.
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We didn't announce the time because a lot of people
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and then maybe eleven to midnight.
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Turns out three consecutive hours.
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A lot of people didn't consecutive hours.
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I haven't announced the date and still hasn't announced the date.
Speaker 4 (17:38):
The date.
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Yes, it's August, August twenty fifth. It's the Starter Predictions week.
Speaker 10 (17:45):
Guys, this is I'm I'm disappointed in you.
Speaker 6 (17:49):
I haven't announced.
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It's a pretty buttoned up in this segment.
Speaker 9 (17:52):
This press we know the listen camera here. First things first,
First things first, Starting Predictions August twenty fifth, It's gonna
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Five to six pm will be a part of it.
Danny sten death part of it. Coach will be a
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Maybe new friends of the First Things, First Family. That's
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We start with a man halfway through the take, you
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Everyone gets a chance. If you're gonna gotten death, you
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This guy starts the mornings the grumpy, and then right
before the show starts around this time of day, he's loopy.
Then I see him.
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In the hallways snip and smelling salts.
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Whole thing with no idea this is our show is
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I might have that like runners high, you know, the
endorphins start to pump.
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Yeah, see it August twenty fifth.
Speaker 4 (19:08):
Everybody can't wait. That'll be great it's gonna be so ridiculous,
But hey.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
Guys, do a quick promo about the show coming up,
or just get into a two minute argument about how
they've already announced it. That's the beauty of first things first,
it's ridiculous. The chemistry is unmatched, and really, pardon you
get a change? No, three to five won't change. It'll
be different between five and six. I'll be a part
of it every day from five to six, and it's
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a true thrill and honor. We've got some really fun
stuff planned and we're going to grow and develop and
figure it out as we go along. We hope that
you'll be there because it starts on Monday, five pm Eastern.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
I'll be there with Brunick and Wild.
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Greg Jennings is in next week, but those guys will
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our guy Jeff Schwartz, Chris the Bear FeliCa. We will
do mostly football and Bear. Thank you as always for
making time for us. But the Brewers are on this
unbelievable run. It is completely crazy. They have been dominant,
They have passed the Cubs, they have lapped the Cubs.
They are the best team in baseball, but they do
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not have anywhere near the best odds to win the
World Series. What do you make of the split between
the regular season accomplishment and the odds makers For.
Speaker 11 (20:41):
The Brewers, it feels to me a little like the
Orioles a couple of years ago when they finally broke
through and made the playoffs and had that great regular
season run and then we're.
Speaker 6 (20:52):
A quick knockout in the playoffs.
Speaker 11 (20:54):
I mean, Brewers have had their troubles in the playoffs
in recent years when they've made it. I just worry
if this type of run that they are on is sustainable.
You look at a lot of the advanced numbers, like
their last in the major leagues, and like barrel rate,
which is like a heart hit percentage. Someone was telling
me that they also scored like forty more unearned runs
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and the next closest team in baseball they lead the
league and infield hits. So it's like a lot of
little things and over the course of a year, you
can kind of build on. But in a short series,
as we've seen so much in baseball, anything can happen.
Despite having some really good starting pitching and might they
might get a Nobody beats.
Speaker 6 (21:32):
The miss back here pretty soon too.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
All right, So then let's get to football. We got
week zero upon us here. People have not been you know,
they dive in, they play catch up once the season
actually begins, but that's not something that you've been doing.
What are some early bets that you like for the
beginning of college football?
Speaker 11 (21:51):
The game, but the game in Dublin tomorrow was a
game that I've had my eye on. Iowa State against
Kansas State, two teams that are certainly in the mix
to take home that big twelve time I'll get to
the college football playoff. I laid the three here with
Kansas State once it hit three. Last year, Iowa State
had one of their best teams and best seasons in
school history. They be Kansas State twenty nine to twenty
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one innings. In order to do that, they needed to
be plus two in turnovers, get a twenty one yard
field goal blocked, have Kansas State go four to seventeen
on third and fourth down, including a fourth and two
drop late in the game. There were a lot of
things that went Kansas State went against Kansas State rather
last year. You look at the way Iowa State, the
way they defend the run with their formation defensively, this
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three three three kind of unique stack that they run.
I'm not sure that's going to be the best way
to slow down Dylan Edwards the running back, and Avery
Johnson the quarterback. In Irvin the running back transfer from
Nebraska as well. If they're in third and two all game,
I think it could be a pretty long day for
Iowa State. So I'm looking forward to getting to games
in a couple of weeks with Big Nion kick gooff.
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But I do like Kansas State tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
Futures in college football that we haven't discussed yet.
Speaker 11 (23:04):
Yeah, I think there are two that we haven't necessarily discussed.
I bet Miami you can get them anywhere from like
plus one seventy five to plus two hundred to make
the college football Playoff.
Speaker 6 (23:16):
I think their schedule is very susceptible to that.
Speaker 11 (23:19):
You year great things about what Carson Beck has done
in scrimmages and in practice, developing a real rapport with
a lot of those young wide receivers, great offensive line,
defense should be much improved. Big game next week against
Notre Dame where the winner I think you're really going
to see their stock improve on that. And then I
bet LSU plus seven hundred to win the SEC. I
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don't think the gap between Georgia, Alabama, Texas and LSU
is really that great. And I wonder if LSU is
the best team people just amongst the well Texas has
arch Manning hype. Alabama is Alabama. Alabama will be back
for sure, Ryan Grubbs there now, but yeah, Alabama. The
large part of Alabama was Nick Saban who was no
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longer there. And then you have Georgia where Condunnar Stockton.
Is he really going to be the guy?
Speaker 1 (24:08):
Oh?
Speaker 11 (24:08):
We got to trust Kirby and trusted that's I think
there are a lot of narratives going around the SEC
and LS you might wind up being the best team
of the bunch.
Speaker 4 (24:17):
Let's go to the pro game.
Speaker 6 (24:19):
Bear.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
I always say betting favorites, weighing odds, it's not boring
if it wins. But people like long shots, they like
dark horses. Do you have in the awards market a
dark horse MVP candidate?
Speaker 4 (24:32):
This NFL season.
Speaker 6 (24:33):
Yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 11 (24:34):
Think Prock Purdy is someone who excuse me, he was
gonna win the award a couple of years ago until
he just had that terrible game on Monday night, head
to head against Lamar Jackson and the Ravens. You can
get Purdy around twenty eight to one or so to
win MVP. We know it's going to go to a quarterback.
It always goes through a quarterback, and that's not going
to change this year. But party's about as low on
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the board as I would go. The Niners schedule is
one of the easiest in the league, and if he
already do it this year, maybe they win twelve thirteen
games with that schedule, with the group of receivers that
he has, like, I think a lot more people will
be willing to recognize. Okay, he got the deal. He
earned it. He led the Niners team to a division
title in ADIA, a one or a two seat in
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the NFC. He's someone that I think possesses a good
bit of value there because, like I said, a couple
of years ago, he was a short shot to win it,
and then he had that one terrible game. But the
Niners were a team I think you're going to say
massive improvement on this year in terms of their wins,
and of course that's going to help not only brock Purty,
it's going to help Bosa in the Expensive Player of
the Year, Mickel Williams in Defensive Rookie of the Year,
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and Seemac in the Offensive Player of the Year category.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
Okay, you just mentioned Mickel Williams. The awards market's a
fun one to bet, and you know Travis Hunter is
not sneaking up on anybody, and you can bet him
to win both Offensive Rookie of the Year and Defensive
Rookie of the Year.
Speaker 4 (25:53):
I'm just so excited to watch him play.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
I don't have any investment and do you see any
investment opportunity in this market around Tray Hunter.
Speaker 11 (26:01):
I do not necessarily betting Hunter himself because I'm really
curious to see how he performs in the National Football
League at this level, potentially playing both ways. He was
someone who I actually had a Heisman bet on last year,
so I thank you Travis for that nice gift around
the holidays, But I think it does create value elsewhere
in the offensive Rookie of the Year market. I've bet
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at Mecca Abuka the Buccaneers wide receiver. You know he's
going to be in an offense that throws the ball off.
They have some wide receiver injuries. Of course, Mike Evans
is always there. He's going to see a lot of targets,
a lot of catches. He was dependable at Ohio State.
He's anywhere between like twenty five, twenty eight, thirty to one.
So I think Abuka is a wide receiver worth looking at.
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And then I mentioned Mickel Williams in the defensive player
at Rookie of the Year market as well being opposite
Nick Bosup on that defensive line with Robert slim Back
at coordinator. I mentioned the schedule, he should get a
lot of opportunity to be a very disruptive pass rusher
that this year he's writer and I think like ten eleven,
twelfth to one or right.
Speaker 6 (27:03):
Now as well. So those those are two guys that
I have my eyes added investment on.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
Bear people bet, you know, they bet on Sunday, right
before kickoff.
Speaker 4 (27:13):
They bet their futures.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
Right before the season kicks off, even though the numbers
have been posted for forever. And then we're so starved
for football information and football content that we can take
little morsels of training camp reports or preseason games and
extrapolated out where do you see preseason results impacting NFL
gambling markets?
Speaker 11 (27:35):
But I think you can certainly see it in like
the rookie of the year markets, because we really don't
know what type of roles these guys are going to have.
Speaker 6 (27:44):
Jackson Dart I think it's a perfect example of that.
Speaker 11 (27:46):
He's someone who I think a lot of people were
high on Jackson Dart, and a lot of people might
have thought he could have been QB one or QB two,
certainly in this draft end. We've seen him play great
in the preseason. Now we know Russell Wilson is going
to be the starter there. But maybe if the Giants
get off to a slow start and Dart winds up playing,
he's taking money in the offensive rookie of the Year market.
Speaker 6 (28:07):
Do you think he's down to like twenty three to
one or so?
Speaker 11 (28:10):
So Dart is someone to pay attention to watch these rookies,
and the other thing in a greater macro tree top
point of view, watching a team like the Lions and
their backups like they're the backup. Sure, you don't want
to jump to a conclusion and say the Lions aren't
going to have a good year, but if they're forced
to play a lot of these guys that have been
playing in these preseason games. Jos Schwartz pointed this out
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the other day on Baar Bets like they could potentially
be in trouble special with a very difficult road schedule.
Speaker 6 (28:39):
Bear, thank you so much for the time.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
We will be watching Big newon kickoff and of course
be listening to Bear bets man may all your bets cover.
Speaker 6 (28:45):
Thank you sir, absolutely thanks, Dannie, Well see you soon.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
Absolutely can't wait to see you. That is Chris the
Bear Felika. You can see me coming up in for
first things first, not just in as a guest on
the show. The show expands from three to five Eastern
to three to six Eastern starting on Monday. Cannot wait
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here at the Herd for making me feel so welcome
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Speaker 4 (29:29):
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Speaker 3 (00:26):
Back in on the Herd of Danny parkins in for
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Football Show is my buddy Robert Mays. And you know, Robert,
I was thinking about texting you, I was thinking about
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calling you, and then I was like, now, let's just
do it.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
On national TV.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
I listened to I listened to your podcast on the
twenty twenty four draft class, and you know you you
root for the Bears. You're in Chicago. You like me,
watched every pass with Caleb Williams last year. But when
you did that podcast, you were talking about how you
had thought the most question marks were about Caleb, and
I was surprised there was definitely plenty of bad He
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was not as good as many of us thought he
was going to be, but there were so many things
that contributed to it. I'm wondering if you are feeling
better after the preseason game against.
Speaker 5 (01:23):
Buffalo, It'd be hard not to feel better when you
look at how on time and mechanically sound the offense felt.
Just watching him operate with a level of urgency and
confidence and just the pre snap operation and clearly how
in command of that he feels. I've always had faith
that with Ben Johnson this could be corrected. I watched
what Ben Johnson did with Jared Goff, and I remember
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what Jared Goff looked like near the end in Los Angeles.
So I think there's a big gap that Caleb has
to close based on how he played last year. But
when you'd go from the worst possible circumstances in terms
of how the offense is being articulated to a quarterback,
the intent of certain plays to what is going to
be one of the best situations in the NFL, when
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it comes to all that stuff, you can see a
drastically different result. So I think that I was a
little bit worried about some of that stuff last year.
I absolutely still have faith that it can get cleaned
up with the right coaching, and I think Ben Johnson
is the right coach.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
So what do you believe Calebly It's not necessarily this year,
But where do you have him in terms of a ceiling?
What can he still become? It's a great question.
Speaker 5 (02:27):
I don't know exactly where I land on that because
I don't know how many quarterbacks are like him in
the NFL that are actually analogous to him when it
comes to play style and what he's bringing to the table.
Speaker 6 (02:38):
But if you told me, I think is it currently.
Speaker 5 (02:41):
Stands in the NFL the NFL quarterback hierarchy when you
get outside of the top four guys, I think it's
pretty muddled. I think that group between like five and
fifteen right now is very fluid where there's going to
be a lot of risers and followers over the next
couple of years. If you told me at the end
of the twenty twenty sixth season, Ale Williams was the
eighth best quarterback in the league, I would believe that
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a lot of stuff would have to go right for
it to happen.
Speaker 6 (03:06):
But I think that tier, especially right now, is.
Speaker 5 (03:09):
Kind of there for the taking, depend on how depending
on how the next couple seasons go.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
So he's a part of this twenty twenty four draft class,
and I said earlier in the show, I think it's
trending that it'll be arguably the most successful draft class
in NFL history, not in terms of Super Bowls or
anything like that, but in terms of teams just getting
it right. The twenty twenty class had five guys who
signed second contracts with the team that drafted them, which
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is an NFL record. I know it's early, but I
feel like they're going to go six for six in
the first rounds. Do you look at last year's QB
classes potentially an all time one?
Speaker 6 (03:47):
I do. Obviously.
Speaker 5 (03:48):
JJ McCarthy is probably the biggest question mark, just because
we haven't seen him play, But all the other guys,
even with only a glimpse at Michael Pennock's I'm really
excited about what Michael Pennock showed last year. So the guy, hey,
if you look at the numbers, that was the least
efficient any events metric you want to take a look
at last year. Among that entire group was Caleb Williams,
and we just talked about the collective optimism that I
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think is justified. With Caleb Williams, what you saw from
Jane Daniels was undeniable. Bo Nix was so much better
than anybody could have expected.
Speaker 6 (04:17):
Drake May.
Speaker 5 (04:18):
If you look at the scenario in New England and
the personnel in New England that should have been day,
they should have had absolutely no shock or even be
a competent offense. And if you look at those numbers,
Drake May was able to actually have a functional NFL
offense with that group, which is a borderline miracle.
Speaker 6 (04:34):
So we'll see what happens this year.
Speaker 5 (04:36):
I think there are still reasonable questions about all of
these guys, but the arrow is pointed way way up
in a way that we just don't typically see with
a group as a whole.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
So I want to talk to you about Trevor Lawrence
because he is the same age as Bo Nix and
Michael Pennox, who are in that quarterback class, but he's
on his third head coach. He's had four first round
picks on the offense and some side of the ball
that he's been there. He gets Liam Khane, who helped
Baker Mayfield. To me, this feels like the last stand
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for Trevor Lawrence to prove.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
That he can be that guy.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
How do you look at it now with the situation
that he's in in Jacksonville.
Speaker 6 (05:15):
I think that's a great way to frame it.
Speaker 5 (05:16):
And if he's not going to succeed in these circumstances
and they're not perfect the offensive line, they're shooting for
the middle of the road, even if that turns out well.
But when you think about the construction of the offense
and how hard it felt in Jacksonville over the last
couple of years, and how easy it felt for Baker
Mayfield in Tampa last year, it's just a drastically different
situation in what you're requiring of the quarterback.
Speaker 6 (05:39):
And it's funny. We're doing the AFC.
Speaker 5 (05:40):
South preview on our show today and for each team
we're talking about what is success, and for me and
the Jags, part of their successful twenty twenty five would
be that we never see Trevor Lawrence's name on a
bottom third cry on ever again. And so the fact
that we're doing this right now, I think speaks to
what we don't want to be doing by the end
of this season.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
That's an interesting way to frame it. I do think
the most interesting guy maybe in the NFL this year
is his teammate, Travis Hunter. I've argued that he's going
to set the snap record as a rookie, which is
a weird record. I know that not everybody knows that
Malcolm Jenkins has the most snaps of any player in
NFL history, but he had more snaps last year in
thirteen or fourteen college games than Malcolm Jenkins did in
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sixteen games. Like, he has a chance to shatter the record.
What do you expect from Travis Hunter in year one?
Something we've never seen before.
Speaker 5 (06:30):
I don't think we've ever seen somebody play on both
sides of the ball at the.
Speaker 6 (06:33):
Clip that he is going to do it.
Speaker 5 (06:35):
Even watching the mechanics of what their practices were like
when I was down in training camp in Jacksonville, watching
him off to the side with defensive coaches while they
were going through special teams, having him switch jerseys in
the middle of a practice. We've never seen anything like this,
And it was probably ninety eight degrees and just disgustingly
humid when I was there, and he looked like he
was having the best time anyone's ever had in a
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football field, as all of the rest of us were miserable.
The way the amount of gas he has in the tank.
We should study him. I've never seen anybody like it,
and they know that even beyond the amount of snaps
on both sides of the ball, how much they're going
to put him in motion, how many just pure feet
he is going to run over the course of an
NFL game. I want some numbers on that, because I
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don't think we've ever seen anything like it before.
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Speaker 3 (07:54):
Robert Maas from The Athletic Football Show is our guest.
We'll get into the specifics of the my A thing
in a minute, but I've argued that like holdouts in
terms of missed games, they're not extinct, but they're like
an endangered species. Because the best players get paid. In
a post Leveon Bell world, it doesn't really happen. Chris
Jones is an outlier. We have three of them right now,
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Terry McLaurin, Trey Hendrickson, and Micah Parsons. Do you expect
them all to play Week one?
Speaker 5 (08:25):
I do, just because of precedent, and I know you
were talking about Micah before I came on, And I
think the Okham's razor approach to this is typically how
I do it. Like the simplest answer, and the answer
that we've seen before is the answer that we'll see again.
All of them have subtle differences between them, but these
guys are incentivized to play.
Speaker 6 (08:42):
I don't think they want to be missing game checks.
Speaker 5 (08:44):
And every single one of these teams has aspirations for
this season, and all of these players are necessary components
to that. So I'll believe it when I see it.
If none of these guys are on the field week one.
I just tend to think the way the league currently works,
like you just said, most of this stuff gets sorted
out before the actual games get started, and that's where
I sit with them.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
The McLaurin and Hendrickson ones, though right Like McLaurin, I
can see the argument, well, we know we need to
pay him, but he probably isn't as good as AJ Browns.
I could see there being some disagreement there. Hendrickson is like, Okay,
we know we need to pay him even though he's
really productive, but he's older, he's on the wrong side
of thirty. I could see there being some disagreement there.
Michael Parsons is just like universally regarded as a top three,
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top five defensive player in football for the team that
drafted him coming off of his rookie contract. It should
be easy, but for some reason, Jerry Jones doesn't want
to talk to an agent, even though David Mulgetta has
players that are on the Cowboys. It's all ridiculous. What
do you make of that one specifically, and why this
one has been so difficult in Dallas?
Speaker 6 (09:49):
Jerry is pt Burnham.
Speaker 5 (09:50):
I mean that's what he has been for way too long,
and the fact that that's his priority right now is
making a spectacle out of this team. If I were
a Cowboys fan, and we are all collectively agreeing that
some of this is to drum up interest for a
Netflix documentary or just to drum up interest for about
the franchise in general, that doesn't need any more publicity.
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It's just so hard for me to square the fact
that this is somebody who has openly talked about how
important it is for him to win another Super Bowl
and how much winning matters, and so many of his
actions are directly contradictory to that. If I was a
fan of this team, it would drive me absolutely bonkers.
Just a pure hypocrisy that consistently goes on with the
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messaging and the reality of the people that are in
charge of that franchise.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
Let's stay in the NFC East. Jackson Dart has looked
good in the preseason, but he's got two veterans in
front of him. He's got a coach and a GM
on the hot seat, and their schedule is a mess.
When do you expect to see Jackson Dart?
Speaker 6 (10:52):
I expect to see him pretty quickly, I really do.
Speaker 5 (10:54):
I just think the way that he's played in the preseason,
how warm and fuzzy Brian Dable seems to feel about this.
I've interacted with Brian Dabeles several times in my life.
Brian Dable is not a warm and fuzzy person. You
watch Brian Dable on the sideline, He's not happy about much,
and he seems to be pretty happy about what he's
getting from Jackson Dart, and you can honestly see it
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in the construction of the offense when Jackson Dart is
in there. Brian Dable is somebody that came from the
college game. Before he was the offensive coordinator of the Bills.
He spent a year, that gap year at Alabama that
so many guys seem to spend.
Speaker 6 (11:26):
He's interested in the college game.
Speaker 5 (11:28):
He consistently studies the college game, and you've already seen
some of that old miss stuff get folded into what
the Giants are. I think that on so many different levels,
the Jackson Dart experience has already been energizing for this
team and this coaching staff. The idea that they would
wait a while before tapping into that. When Russell Wilson
at this point in his career, to me, is the
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opposite of energizing. I think I want to see Jackson
Dart pretty quickly, and I wouldn't be surprised if.
Speaker 6 (11:55):
The Giants want to see Jackson Dart pretty quickly.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
All right, So let's go open end. And here, you've
been to a bunch of training camps. You cover the
NFL as in depth and as closely as anyone. What's
been the biggest learn for you? The biggest thing, oh man,
I positive, negative, good, whatever surprise that you learned on
this training camp tour.
Speaker 6 (12:17):
I would say two things.
Speaker 5 (12:18):
I think it's the collective optimism I had about the
general direction of both the Titans and the Panthers. Those
are two organizations and two teams that really haven't had
any reason for people to think that they're good things waiting.
Speaker 6 (12:34):
Around the corner.
Speaker 5 (12:35):
And when I left those two buildings, I think that
the process, the way that they've tried to build the rosters,
some of the things they're trying to do with their
young quarterbacks. I don't know if it's going to work.
I don't know if the Brice young thing is going
to continue. Based on the second half of last season,
I don't know if cam Ward is going to be good.
These are all things with young quarterbacks that there's a
little bit of murkiness, but what they've tried to do
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and how they've tried to go about things in both
of those buildings, I'm looking forward to watching both of
those offenses in Week one, And if you had asked
me that on August twenty second of last year, there's
absolutely no way. So just the general direction and how
much quiet optimism I have about both of those places,
I did not expect that before I walked into both
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of those buildings earlier this summer.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
What do you make of a team that's supposed to
compete for a Super Bowl? Gave the Eagles all that
they could handle, but has an injured quarterback and a
bad offensive line. I feel like there's a lot of
boom or bust potential right now with the Rams. There's
always boom or bust potential with this team, and they're
so hard to talk about because we discussed this a lot.
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The Rams get the benefit of the doubt, where we're
consistently talking ourselves into, oh, well, in the best version
of this team, look at what they can do.
Speaker 6 (13:49):
We don't do that with anyone else.
Speaker 5 (13:51):
We don't wish for the best version of every other
team consistently. But we've seen the Rams do it before.
They did it when they won the Super Bowl. They
did it for that stretch into twenty twenty three. When
they can thread the needle, they look special, and so
I just think that there's more volatility with that team
than almost any other in the league.
Speaker 6 (14:08):
I will say they have built.
Speaker 5 (14:10):
In contingencies with this version of it they have not
had in years past. If you remember that twenty twenty
two season and even that game Stafford missed, I believe
in twenty twenty three when Brett Rippen had to play
in Green Bay. That's why Jimmy Garoppolo is there. Now
they have a backup left tackle in DJ Humphrees. So
I think the floor is slightly higher for the Rams
than it has been in years past when they've had
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some of these injuries. But the ceiling also seems a
little bit harder to reach if your thirty seven year
old quarterback is going to have a back injury coming
into the season.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
So this is not a story that you guys would
really do a ton of on The Athletic Football Show.
But I'm just curious what has your perception been of
the media handling of the Shador Sanders story as it
relates to the validity of it as a football story.
Speaker 5 (14:59):
We know how this stuff, You know, you have to
talk about certain things because there's interest in certain things
that the tail wags the dog a lot when it
comes to sports media.
Speaker 6 (15:07):
I'm not surprised by this.
Speaker 5 (15:09):
I just think overall, the breathless coverage of every moment
of training camp, training camp stats, who looks good, who
looks bad, it's so misguided most of the time, like
we just don't have a good handle on what is
happening during these practices. You're watching it from the sideline.
You don't have a vantage point of the entire offense.
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You can't watch the entire offense, and you can't go
back and watch practice tape to understand any of the
context of what's happening. So they're inevitably there are going
to be so many silly things written and said over
the course of any given training camp, and I think
there's a very good chance most of those reside in Cleveland.
Speaker 6 (15:48):
Based on how the past month has gone.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
All right, last one, who's winning the Super Bowl.
Speaker 5 (15:57):
It pains me to say it, but I'm probably gonna
pick the Ravens. I just think that their best year
is so good right now. I love some of the
little tweaks they made on defense, with the way they
played on the back half of the season on defense
last year, and I think Lamar has reached a really
special level and they have most of those component parts
coming back on offense. They felt like the best team
in the league for stretches of last year and just
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couldn't get over the hump. They're probably top to bottom
of the team I believe in the most right now.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
Robert May is from The Athletic Football Show. I love listen, man,
this was fun.
Speaker 6 (16:28):
Thank you anytime, Bud.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
Appreciate you.
Speaker 6 (16:31):
Man.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
That's Robert Mays from the Athletic Football Show. It's a
great listen. You should check it out, all right. So
Robert Mays on the record with the Ravens and I
tend to agree, most talented roster in the NFL. Trust
that they tough to trust for me, that they'll get
it done consistently three weeks in a row in January.
Chris Felika the Bear, He's gonna help us make some money,
bear bets coming.
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Sure, we've announced it already, I.
Speaker 6 (17:08):
Know now we have. We didn't announce a date. We
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The first is moving to three hours. We will now
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Speaker 9 (17:21):
That's the big news.
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We didn't announce the time because a lot of people
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Speaker 9 (17:39):
Yes, it's August, August twenty fifth. It's the Starter Predictions week.
Speaker 10 (17:45):
Guys, this is I'm I'm disappointed in you.
Speaker 6 (17:49):
I haven't announced.
Speaker 7 (17:49):
It's a pretty buttoned up in this segment.
Speaker 9 (17:52):
This press we know the listen camera here. First things first,
First things first, Starting Predictions August twenty fifth, It's gonna
be three to six pm, three to five pm totally unchanged.
Five to six pm will be a part of it.
Danny sten death part of it. Coach will be a
part of it. Greg will be a part of it.
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Maybe new friends of the First Things, First Family. That's
what's happening. Starting Predictions week Monday, August twenty.
Speaker 10 (18:19):
If you have a good take, the show's over.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
Sudden deaths not how it works.
Speaker 10 (18:23):
We start with a man halfway through the take, you
just gotta drive him home again. That would be extra.
Everyone gets a chance. If you're gonna gotten death, you
get a chance to make it take. Bru gets a
chance to make it take. If Bru doesn't score on
his take, you win the show starting August. Has ever
needed a vacation more than this guy.
Speaker 9 (18:46):
This guy starts the mornings the grumpy, and then right
before the show starts around this time of day, he's loopy.
Then I see him.
Speaker 10 (18:55):
In the hallways snip and smelling salts.
Speaker 9 (18:58):
Whole thing with no idea this is our show is
going to be exactly.
Speaker 10 (19:02):
I might have that like runners high, you know, the
endorphins start to pump.
Speaker 9 (19:06):
Yeah, see it August twenty fifth.
Speaker 4 (19:08):
Everybody can't wait. That'll be great it's gonna be so ridiculous,
But hey.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
Guys, do a quick promo about the show coming up,
or just get into a two minute argument about how
they've already announced it. That's the beauty of first things first,
it's ridiculous. The chemistry is unmatched, and really, pardon you
get a change? No, three to five won't change. It'll
be different between five and six. I'll be a part
of it every day from five to six, and it's
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a true thrill and honor. We've got some really fun
stuff planned and we're going to grow and develop and
figure it out as we go along. We hope that
you'll be there because it starts on Monday, five pm Eastern.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
I'll be there with Brunick and Wild.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
Greg Jennings is in next week, but those guys will
be there every day. The show is from three until six,
starting mon Day. Truly exciting joining me now also exciting though,
as I sit in for Colin Coward, gaming expert you
know him from Fox Big Noon Kickoff Bear Bets with
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our guy Jeff Schwartz, Chris the Bear FeliCa. We will
do mostly football and Bear. Thank you as always for
making time for us. But the Brewers are on this
unbelievable run. It is completely crazy. They have been dominant,
They have passed the Cubs, they have lapped the Cubs.
They are the best team in baseball, but they do
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not have anywhere near the best odds to win the
World Series. What do you make of the split between
the regular season accomplishment and the odds makers For.
Speaker 11 (20:41):
The Brewers, it feels to me a little like the
Orioles a couple of years ago when they finally broke
through and made the playoffs and had that great regular
season run and then we're.
Speaker 6 (20:52):
A quick knockout in the playoffs.
Speaker 11 (20:54):
I mean, Brewers have had their troubles in the playoffs
in recent years when they've made it. I just worry
if this type of run that they are on is sustainable.
You look at a lot of the advanced numbers, like
their last in the major leagues, and like barrel rate,
which is like a heart hit percentage. Someone was telling
me that they also scored like forty more unearned runs
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and the next closest team in baseball they lead the
league and infield hits. So it's like a lot of
little things and over the course of a year, you
can kind of build on. But in a short series,
as we've seen so much in baseball, anything can happen.
Despite having some really good starting pitching and might they
might get a Nobody beats.
Speaker 6 (21:32):
The miss back here pretty soon too.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
All right, So then let's get to football. We got
week zero upon us here. People have not been you know,
they dive in, they play catch up once the season
actually begins, but that's not something that you've been doing.
What are some early bets that you like for the
beginning of college football?
Speaker 11 (21:51):
The game, but the game in Dublin tomorrow was a
game that I've had my eye on. Iowa State against
Kansas State, two teams that are certainly in the mix
to take home that big twelve time I'll get to
the college football playoff. I laid the three here with
Kansas State once it hit three. Last year, Iowa State
had one of their best teams and best seasons in
school history. They be Kansas State twenty nine to twenty
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one innings. In order to do that, they needed to
be plus two in turnovers, get a twenty one yard
field goal blocked, have Kansas State go four to seventeen
on third and fourth down, including a fourth and two
drop late in the game. There were a lot of
things that went Kansas State went against Kansas State rather
last year. You look at the way Iowa State, the
way they defend the run with their formation defensively, this
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three three three kind of unique stack that they run.
I'm not sure that's going to be the best way
to slow down Dylan Edwards the running back, and Avery
Johnson the quarterback. In Irvin the running back transfer from
Nebraska as well. If they're in third and two all game,
I think it could be a pretty long day for
Iowa State. So I'm looking forward to getting to games
in a couple of weeks with Big Nion kick gooff.
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But I do like Kansas State tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
Futures in college football that we haven't discussed yet.
Speaker 11 (23:04):
Yeah, I think there are two that we haven't necessarily discussed.
I bet Miami you can get them anywhere from like
plus one seventy five to plus two hundred to make
the college football Playoff.
Speaker 6 (23:16):
I think their schedule is very susceptible to that.
Speaker 11 (23:19):
You year great things about what Carson Beck has done
in scrimmages and in practice, developing a real rapport with
a lot of those young wide receivers, great offensive line,
defense should be much improved. Big game next week against
Notre Dame where the winner I think you're really going
to see their stock improve on that. And then I
bet LSU plus seven hundred to win the SEC. I
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don't think the gap between Georgia, Alabama, Texas and LSU
is really that great. And I wonder if LSU is
the best team people just amongst the well Texas has
arch Manning hype. Alabama is Alabama. Alabama will be back
for sure, Ryan Grubbs there now, but yeah, Alabama. The
large part of Alabama was Nick Saban who was no
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longer there. And then you have Georgia where Condunnar Stockton.
Is he really going to be the guy?
Speaker 1 (24:08):
Oh?
Speaker 11 (24:08):
We got to trust Kirby and trusted that's I think
there are a lot of narratives going around the SEC
and LS you might wind up being the best team
of the bunch.
Speaker 4 (24:17):
Let's go to the pro game.
Speaker 6 (24:19):
Bear.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
I always say betting favorites, weighing odds, it's not boring
if it wins. But people like long shots, they like
dark horses. Do you have in the awards market a
dark horse MVP candidate?
Speaker 4 (24:32):
This NFL season.
Speaker 6 (24:33):
Yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 11 (24:34):
Think Prock Purdy is someone who excuse me, he was
gonna win the award a couple of years ago until
he just had that terrible game on Monday night, head
to head against Lamar Jackson and the Ravens. You can
get Purdy around twenty eight to one or so to
win MVP. We know it's going to go to a quarterback.
It always goes through a quarterback, and that's not going
to change this year. But party's about as low on
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the board as I would go. The Niners schedule is
one of the easiest in the league, and if he
already do it this year, maybe they win twelve thirteen
games with that schedule, with the group of receivers that
he has, like, I think a lot more people will
be willing to recognize. Okay, he got the deal. He
earned it. He led the Niners team to a division
title in ADIA, a one or a two seat in
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the NFC. He's someone that I think possesses a good
bit of value there because, like I said, a couple
of years ago, he was a short shot to win it,
and then he had that one terrible game. But the
Niners were a team I think you're going to say
massive improvement on this year in terms of their wins,
and of course that's going to help not only brock Purty,
it's going to help Bosa in the Expensive Player of
the Year, Mickel Williams in Defensive Rookie of the Year,
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and Seemac in the Offensive Player of the Year category.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
Okay, you just mentioned Mickel Williams. The awards market's a
fun one to bet, and you know Travis Hunter is
not sneaking up on anybody, and you can bet him
to win both Offensive Rookie of the Year and Defensive
Rookie of the Year.
Speaker 4 (25:53):
I'm just so excited to watch him play.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
I don't have any investment and do you see any
investment opportunity in this market around Tray Hunter.
Speaker 11 (26:01):
I do not necessarily betting Hunter himself because I'm really
curious to see how he performs in the National Football
League at this level, potentially playing both ways. He was
someone who I actually had a Heisman bet on last year,
so I thank you Travis for that nice gift around
the holidays, But I think it does create value elsewhere
in the offensive Rookie of the Year market. I've bet
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at Mecca Abuka the Buccaneers wide receiver. You know he's
going to be in an offense that throws the ball off.
They have some wide receiver injuries. Of course, Mike Evans
is always there. He's going to see a lot of targets,
a lot of catches. He was dependable at Ohio State.
He's anywhere between like twenty five, twenty eight, thirty to one.
So I think Abuka is a wide receiver worth looking at.
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And then I mentioned Mickel Williams in the defensive player
at Rookie of the Year market as well being opposite
Nick Bosup on that defensive line with Robert slim Back
at coordinator. I mentioned the schedule, he should get a
lot of opportunity to be a very disruptive pass rusher
that this year he's writer and I think like ten eleven,
twelfth to one or right.
Speaker 6 (27:03):
Now as well. So those those are two guys that
I have my eyes added investment on.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
Bear people bet, you know, they bet on Sunday, right
before kickoff.
Speaker 4 (27:13):
They bet their futures.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
Right before the season kicks off, even though the numbers
have been posted for forever. And then we're so starved
for football information and football content that we can take
little morsels of training camp reports or preseason games and
extrapolated out where do you see preseason results impacting NFL
gambling markets?
Speaker 11 (27:35):
But I think you can certainly see it in like
the rookie of the year markets, because we really don't
know what type of roles these guys are going to have.
Speaker 6 (27:44):
Jackson Dart I think it's a perfect example of that.
Speaker 11 (27:46):
He's someone who I think a lot of people were
high on Jackson Dart, and a lot of people might
have thought he could have been QB one or QB two,
certainly in this draft end. We've seen him play great
in the preseason. Now we know Russell Wilson is going
to be the starter there. But maybe if the Giants
get off to a slow start and Dart winds up playing,
he's taking money in the offensive rookie of the Year market.
Speaker 6 (28:07):
Do you think he's down to like twenty three to
one or so?
Speaker 11 (28:10):
So Dart is someone to pay attention to watch these rookies,
and the other thing in a greater macro tree top
point of view, watching a team like the Lions and
their backups like they're the backup. Sure, you don't want
to jump to a conclusion and say the Lions aren't
going to have a good year, but if they're forced
to play a lot of these guys that have been
playing in these preseason games. Jos Schwartz pointed this out
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the other day on Baar Bets like they could potentially
be in trouble special with a very difficult road schedule.
Speaker 6 (28:39):
Bear, thank you so much for the time.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
We will be watching Big newon kickoff and of course
be listening to Bear bets man may all your bets cover.
Speaker 6 (28:45):
Thank you sir, absolutely thanks, Dannie, Well see you soon.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
Absolutely can't wait to see you. That is Chris the
Bear Felika. You can see me coming up in for
first things first, not just in as a guest on
the show. The show expands from three to five Eastern
to three to six Eastern starting on Monday. Cannot wait
to be a part of the five to six pm Eastern,
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every single day fun show today. Thanks to toront Armstead
and Tom Berducci and Robert Mays and the Bear everyone
here at the Herd for making me feel so welcome
as always. Colin is off next week, but Jay Mack
is back with Rachel Nichols, so you're in very good
hands next week again catch me on first things first.
Speaker 4 (29:29):
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