Former OSU HC Urban Meyer stops by The Herd to talk about the Texas-OSU game, the play of Arch Manning, the criticism he is facing, and more
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Speaker 1 (00:24):
And with that Urban Meyer record setting big noon ratings,
things are going well in college football. You know, it's
funny urban nil transfer portal college football playoffs. Everybody freaked out.
It's gonna hurt college football, and we keep breaking records.
I thought the weekend was amazing. And one thing that
jumped out to me with Arch Manning, I mean, listen,
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inexperienced Buckeyes are great. It's in Columbus, but urban You've
been coaching quarterbacks forever. It didn't look as much jitters.
It was mechanics, it was armslot. I thought it was
jar to look at. I thought he was a bit overwhelmed.
When you watched it, did you think it was more
Matt Patricia environment Buckeye Secondary? Like, what went wrong? What
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gave Arch in your opinion, the most trouble?
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Well, the reality is that the quarterbacks get far too
much credit, far much, far too much blamed. There weren't
people open calling the Matt Patrician the bucket defense. I
don't want to say it was shot because they lost
five or six players and the coordinator and they look phenomenal.
But I went back Colin and I watched every snap
of arch Manny and I keep hearing about, you know,
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potential first pick in the NFL draft, Heisman Trophy, and
I keep saying, stop this, that that's not fair to
this guy. This guy, if you put any other name
on the back of his jersey, let him grow as
a player. He'll be a much different player in four
to five weeks. See, he wasn't ready for that, But
either was Julian saying you can't be ready for that.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
You know.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
Someone said, well he started to get I said, know,
he didn't. This is his first start. When you're playing
in Mississippi State, it was not very good last year,
and another team that those don't count as you're starting
the horseshoe in front of, you know, millions of people
on TV.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
So he'll be fine.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
I was a little disappointed with the offensive skill of Texas.
I didn't see guys open. I didn't see the explosive
them as you expect out of So there's a couple
of common denominators of a great quarterback, and they all
say it they got great players around them, and maybe
there are.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
I didn't see that I did, and maybe you know.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Once again, we're going to find out more in the
next few weeks, really not in the next few weeks,
in about four or five weeks when they get in
the SEC because they both got Ohio State and Texas
have soft schedules. For a minute, but that the common
denominator is the great explosive player around arch.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
I didn't see that, you.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Know, Sark said after the game. And I was told
this recently that in the college football, as a defensive coordinator,
stop the run, and if you do, you're going to
win a lot of games. In the NFL, as a
defensive coordinator, you better stop the pass because almost every
team's got a guy that can sling it. So Matt
Patricia has been dealing with the best quarterbacks in the world.
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Now he goes to college. When you looked at every snap,
Sark said, it was elite. Did he disguise his coverage?
Is what did you see about Matt Patricia's defense, that
could be problematic for a young quarterback.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
I see multiple positions, so you see like a Caleb
Downs that can play will linebacker, he can play deep
half in the safety. And then they did a bunch
of the way he called simulated pressure, and the simulated
pressure is when they bring a linebacker or a secondary
player yet play zone behind it. Arch Mann, he's been
training as a quarterback, I imagine since he could say
hello because of the Manning family. And normally when you
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get a five to six man pressure, there's gonna be
man coverage behind it, or there's gonna be avoided zones.
Ohio State did a brilliant job of bringing pressure, but
there were no There was actually seven people in coverage.
So it looked like pressure, it smelt like pressure. It
was pressure, but it was in a coverage. They were
dropping people underneath that were twice I caught, and like
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I said, I went back and watched every step over
and over again. Arch got caught on one side of
the formation, thinking that it was a fire zone or
a fire zone or even a man coverage, and it wasn't.
It was too deep and he got caught and he
got sacked. So I've done any did a great job
mat Partrishaw.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
So I was shocked because I think Kaylendi Boor is
an excellent coach. But I said that this week. I
said the sec is. I mean, you acknowledged you had
health issues. It's just tough. The intensity, the criticism, the
recruiting wars that art always for years and years on
the up and up. It can eat up really good coaches.
And I think Kaylendi Boor is a great coach. But
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something didn't look right urban They couldn't run that the effort.
Something didn't look right with Bama. Can you explain it?
Speaker 3 (04:54):
Yeah? And Kaylan Moore has been great to me. I
think his record speaks for himself. But he's you know,
he in it now. And I watched closely, you know,
mark Ingram's on our show, and we talk about it
all the time. When the word not running to the ball,
not giving great effort comes out of your mouth and
you say the word Alabama after that, that doesn't compute.
You know, that hasn't happened in a long time. And
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I'm worried about Alabama right now. You know, I saw
things that are signs that there's something either in the
locker room, there's something you know.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
And I made this comment on Big Neon. I believe
that he better have some grown ass men in that
locker room. Ryan Day.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
When they lost to the wolver Raines last year, they
flipped it around, you know why, and everybody gives the
coach's credit. I get it, But in that locker room,
we're some grown ass men that weren't going to put
up with that. And I don't know Alabama well enough,
and I challenged mark Ingram with this, you know who's
in that locker room.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
Because a coach is a coach.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
I get it, but at some point those veteran and
I use the term grown ass men better show up
in that locker room and get that right. Coaches can't
get that right. Coaches do the best they can, but
the players play.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Yeah, listen, I college coach and pro coaches, they're really different.
And a lot of it is just this is that,
you know, a lot of NFL coaches, Andy Reid doesn't
have to draft. He can work play design. He didn't
have to worry about the cap, he didn't have to
about you know, play design, culture, play calling. Sometimes some
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coaches don't do that. At the college level. You are
you are responsible for personnel, and I don't think there's
a lot of great coaches who are great at personnel.
You were Nick Saban was darned good. I think I
would say Jimmy Johnson was really good. I think Sean
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Payton's got a feel for it. I think Jim Harbaugh's
got a little bit of a feel for it. But
I watched Belichick and my take is, okay, it's one
thing to lose, but his last several New England drafts
weren't good. I didn't see the pop players. I didn't
see it. Were you surprise on just the lack of
anything after the first drive? I mean, there wasn't a
lot of offensive symmetry, there wasn't a lot of special players.
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Were you just surprised at what you watched?
Speaker 3 (07:11):
I think surprise is probably too light of a word, Colin,
I was shocked, you know.
Speaker 5 (07:15):
I was.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
Because I'm friends with coach Belichick. I have the most
respectful him you can have. I used to visit the
Patriots and go watch him, So there's no better coach
I've ever been around at Bill Belichick, and he would
gracious enough come down speak to our teams and our staff.
But I turned on that and I couldn't. I don't
know he's up against it, you know, I'm not sure
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he's I know he had some early in his career
at Cleveland, which I really didn't study that, but maybe
the last few years in New England had some issues too.
But I can't imagine when he stands in the team
meeting and you're dealing with seventeen eighteen ninety year olds
there now being told, you know, should I leave, should
I stay? I can only imagine nonsense going on in
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that locker room right now. So, uh, surprise is not
as strong enough word. When I know, and once again
I'll credit the TCU, but they're gonna have some tougher roads,
the tougher games down their OWD. Now, TC's great, but
there's also you got Clemson and Miami and some other
ones coming down the road that are really good.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Yeah, let's wrap it up with this. I don't want
to go too crazy. And I know he was a
great high school quarterback, but Bryce Underwood at Michigan Urban,
I mean I could have said he's great. That kid
that is different looking. What do you make of his talent.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
I use the term of a four minutes ago about
grown ass man and I was shot. And I mean again,
surprise is not the right word, because I went back
and watched every snap in my god. I' mean that's
a junior in college and he's really not and his
his his physical presence is cam Newton ish, his size,
his athleticisms, throws, wow, I mean spectacular. And I know,
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once again they're not playing a top ten team yet
and they will coming down the road here, but that
day one, he might be that guy that walks on
campus like when I had Percy Harvin.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
You're just like, that's it. That's an absolute freak. You know.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
Get him ready to play as fas as he can
because that and I've heard that about him.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
I just now the assaulted person that's legit.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Yeah, I mean it just jumped off. Wherever you watch
that game, it was like magic. I mean, that is
a whip. He's got a big arm, he moves, his
accuracy doesn't dip when he moves. In Michigan, by the way,
does not have great receivers. He's not throwing to Ohio
State guys. This is a pretty average receiving corp yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
And he's almost like a Roethlisberger too, as far as
I mean, guys are hanging on him. You know, he's
a he's a big cat.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Now Urban great talking to is always Yeah, great to
talk to Colin all right, Yeah, I know. Nobody thinks
I'm getting a little hyper on that. And I said yesterday,
Ohio State, I think is going to control this conference.
I like am I like Oklahoma to beat him all
the juniors and seniors. It's in Norman. I like Oklahoma,
But man, there are sometimes you watch athletes and you're
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just like, what is that? What is going on? All right?
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Speaker 1 (11:06):
I just saw do you have the Amari Cooper newsan?
Did you see that?
Speaker 7 (11:09):
No?
Speaker 1 (11:09):
I'm five time Pro bowler Amari Cooper just retired from
the Raiders, leaving them with four receivers, Jacoby Myers and
three guys that I wouldn't recognize if they walked in
the studio. So so New England. Interesting, Well, they have
Brock Bowers. I like Chobe Myers. I think he's a
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more of a two, but he's a good player. I
was surprised Belichick let him go. I like, so, Amari
Cooper's young guy, isn't he? Like thirty one, ten thousand
receiving yards plus five Pro Bowls. He was always a
very quiet guy, like I always felt he was a
guy that taking care of business, put his money away,
had other things beyond you know, he never sought attention
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even in Dallas. Just a grown up, just an adult. Yeah,
thirty one years old. Geez, that's good. Retired at thirty one.
Speaker 5 (11:59):
More well for himself, Yeah, excellent wide receiver, no drama,
just fifetime Pro bowler.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Good receiver, had a good career. Yeah, jmak with a
news no turns.
Speaker 5 (12:13):
This is the herd mind from one quiet, cool wide
receiver to a combative one. Tyreek Hill a lot of
drama with the Dolphins this offseason. Did you notice Tyreek
was not voted at captain by his teammates? All that
uh it says it won't change his ability to be
a leader for the Dolphins.
Speaker 8 (12:34):
At the end of the day, I feel like this
is about the team and I don't need the title
to be able to read.
Speaker 4 (12:39):
I'm gonna continue to push the standard.
Speaker 8 (12:41):
You know what, coach, And he got the quishing in
the locker room in I'm all and I'm always been
a guy that that land by, that U by exactly,
so excuse me. That money captain thing is great, but
and I say I'm a the king.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
He was doing a small thing. He's not a leader.
He's a talent, and there's a big difference. I always
said a Rod's a great baseball talent. Jeter, Mariano Rivera,
Jorge Pasada felt like leaders and that's not a knock.
I think Aaron Rodgers is a great talent. Do I
think he's the best leader. You know, Tyreek's a remarkable
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wide receiver. But I'm not depending on him for anything
other than that. That's fine.
Speaker 5 (13:18):
Yeah, I'm on the of the belief he will not
last the full season in Miami. I think in the deadline,
somebody who's like maybe a fringe Super Bowl contender, says,
let's make a push, let's go get Tyreek Hill.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
To try to put us over the top. He's still
got some juice.
Speaker 5 (13:34):
I just can you control a personality like that who's
very strong?
Speaker 1 (13:38):
You know if in the history of the league, I
mean Larry Fitzgerald's an outlier where you're the rock of
your franchise, the dependable, mature rock of the franchise is
a wide receiver. It is a very you know, it's
the first guy to break the huddle. It is a
little bit of the NBA player on a football field.
You kind of work alone up the sideline. Those sideline
receivers they come, they want the ball, and you know,
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I just I think that's a fairly reasonable prediction that
I could see at the trade deadline. If Miami losers
to the Colts, this weekend and they're you know, they're
under five hundred. I could see them saying, we need
draft picks. This is a reboot year.
Speaker 5 (14:17):
He's not Antonio Brown, but Tom Brady recruited Antonio Brown
and then to the Bucks, they win the Super Bowl,
and then the next year. I think they were massive implosions.
So we'll see what Tyreek next. Up to college football
Colin where Bill Belichick is coming off, you know, kind
of an embarrassing loss in his debut kind of We
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know Belichick had a big falling out with Craft before.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Taking the job. Well, how about this one.
Speaker 5 (14:43):
According to your buddy John Middelkoff, Bill Belichick has reportedly
banned Patriots scouts from North Carolina practices.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
Okay, that's all.
Speaker 5 (14:54):
Belichick has not addressed this yet. However, that's not a
good life for Belichick. If you're banning Patriots scouts just
because of your like, you you're hurting your players from
getting looked at.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
I just think there's such a reservoir of distrust and
dislike between Craft and Belichick. And I think that documentary
that I watched, was it this summer or was it
last year? I thatt the documentary that was very pro
craft anti Bill. I know a lot of Patriot fans,
but we have to be fair here is that Bill's
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got some real debits when Tom Brady's not part of
his universe Cleveland pre Tom starting in New England, Tom
leaving in New England. That thing. Okay, Look, so does
this ding Belichick's legacy? Said I said yesterday, I don't
think Michael Jordan and Washington or or you know, Joe
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Namath end of his career. I don't think players. If
you're great, you're great. Same with actors. Marlon has three
or four bombs, He's still Marlon Brando. I think artists
can have bad albums and actors can have duds, and
I think players can Patrick Ewing wearing some Orlando Magic
jersey or Raptors jersey, whatever it was. That doesn't diing
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your legacy. But when you just take one human, Tom
Brady out of Belichick's career, he's a great defensive mind
where the wins as a head coach, I don't see it.
Maybe we can ask our next guest when he shows up.
Final story, Colin, how about this one? Now this we.
Speaker 5 (16:36):
Haven't talked to a lot of WNBA Kittlekark's.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Been hurt forever.
Speaker 5 (16:39):
But Angel Reese came out in an interview. Remember she's
in her second year in the WNBA, and this is
what she said. I'd like to be here, meaning in Chicago,
for my career, but if things don't pan out, obviously
I might have to move in a different direction and
do what's best for me. She later apologized, saying the
language was taken out of con but Colin, the damage
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has been done. There are reports stemming in Chicago that
the locker room may not be repairable after Reese essentially
basically saying, my teammates aren't good enough. We need better players. Listen,
we've heard she is a good player, not a great
offensive player player, but hey, she's so good, why aren't
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they better? Well, I just a solid young player in
the league.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
How many games you know, it's interesting for all the
you know, there's there's a there's a there's a unit
or a portion of the media that is very pro
w NBA to a fault, and then there's those of
us that are realistic. How many times have you watched
w NBA games since Caitlin Clark got hurt? Now, think
about this. It led our show last summer A bunch
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oh I talked. I think I led with it six times.
I led with the w NBA, and I don't either way.
I talk about what I think is interesting. You noticed
I didn't talk about it this year. Stop because I
suddenly disliked the league. I thought it was growing. Anybody
that wants to argue this, you're off your rocker. Caitlin
Clark is the league. I don't know what the ratings are,
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I haven't read them, but I know I last year
with Caitlyn Clark, I was I would if the game
was on, I would drive home making a point and
when's that game on? I would watch it on my phone.
Speaker 5 (18:21):
Yeah cars, Yeah, I could listen, not watch I'm driving,
but you could listen to it in the car.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
And that's just not happening.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
Now.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
I'm tracking the Sparks a little bit out here. La
Sparks are kind of trying to put me. Angel Re
is a good player, but this idea, and I think
she is valuable as a counter punch, as a bit
of a college and pro rival to Caitlin Clark. But
for all the people that are hey, the growth of
the league, Caitlin Clark is this is Tiger on the tour.
There was a lot of other good golfers. Tiger was
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getting people do a TV singularly. Let's remember outside of
the Masters or US Open.
Speaker 5 (18:53):
Before the season, Angel Reese was like, yeah, we need
to hold out.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
I need more money. This is unacceptable.
Speaker 5 (18:58):
Now she's throwing her teammates under a bus, saying we're
not good enough.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
Colin.
Speaker 5 (19:02):
This is starting to not look and I know people
want to defend her. She's got a lot of followers
on IG. I think we just need to put things
in context with Angel Reese. Here, she's all about Angel Reese.
She don't care about the team. That's just real.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
That's the reality. And her teammates are essentially saying that
J Mack with the News hot take, Well that's like that,
and thanks for stopping by. Well she has opinionators, she's
she's just fine.
Speaker 5 (19:26):
Hey, be opinionated, okay, but be ready for the repercussions.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Colin when they come. I'm opinionated. I know when to
reel it in.
Speaker 5 (19:33):
We're adults, and you know, sure, she's a young Listen.
If I were he's sitting here twenty five, you probably
would have.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Got rid of the r don't you think it's it's
year two for Michael Jordan he broke his foot and
he didn't play. And I've compared her, like Michael Jordan
came in and I remember it it was like wow,
bulls weren't great, but it was wow. Then year two
he gets hurt, he wanted to play, and Caitlin same thing.
It was wow, like changing TV ratings. Year two she
gets hurt. It is uh, It's just it's weird. And
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the difference is or I should say another similarity is
one of the problems Michael had early was the physical
play that was allowed against him. The Pistons and the
Celtics were just leaning on him, beating him up. And
you know, Michael and his coaching staffs were complaining, you're
letting people get away with too much. So Michael started
putting on weight as his career extended, getting stronger. Is
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Caitlin the big knock in the WNBA, because I think
they've done some things very well since Kaitlyn arrived. Is
the NBA's figured it out during the regular season, they
let you play when the playoffs started. In the NBA,
no excuse me. During the regular season, they call it close.
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They want their stars to be protected. It's a long season.
Then the NBA gets to the playoffs and they let
them play. And it's physical, and we had some injuries,
but they let them play because physical basketball is more
appealing to fans. But the NBA understands, we want our
stars available for the playoffs. So the NBA calls a
much tighter game regular season, they blow the whistle and
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there's been a criticism that the young refs called too much,
too much, but they keep their stars healthy so they're
ready to enter the playoffs. Then they just let it's
a free for all. The WNBA has not learned from him.
They let them just play. And so many injuries.
Speaker 5 (21:24):
By the way, all these like I joke that it's
like prison rules in the WNB, like anything goes.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
They're cheap show and players guards are complaining. They're like,
it's ridiculous. A bunch of stars have got hurt. I mean,
Sophie cunning Hand's on a star, but she's out for
the season. There's been a lot of questionable hits that
have not really been refereed the way they should. Yeah,
Jordan was one hundred and ninety five pounds when he
got drafted then two point fifteen during the championship run,
he had to put on twenty pounds in the documentary,
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like he had to get big. Lamar Jackson did that
in the NFL A lot a lot of these young
skinny quarterbacks they put weight on. But the WNBA just
does not officiate the regular season, just let them go.
And it's like, yeah, but everybody's binged up for the player.
And by the way, their season is short, so you
get to the playoffs very quickly. You'll want your stars.
So by the way, Greg Cosell was on earlier today
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last hour and we were talking about Drake May and
I do think we've done this about four or five
years in row. Generally you can find a team in
the NFL. I predicted Washington and Denver last year, rams
year before Vikings year before. You can see when teams
either get a better coach like New England Rabel, they
spend money in free agency, they have a young quarterback
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getting better. I think the easiest prediction in the league
is New England will double their wins. That is the
easiest bet in the league. Last year I had Washington
making the playoffs. I thought Denver would double their wins
or come close to it. They were better than I thought.
But here was Greg Cosell on what he has seen
with Drake.
Speaker 9 (22:51):
May Nate toughness in the pocket, and I don't think
you can teach that. I think the guys that are
willing to stand and deliver when there's people around them
and they know they're going to get hit, I'm not.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
Sure you can teach that.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
He's got that.
Speaker 9 (23:04):
The other thing I'm not sure that you can teach
players is just a natural willingness to throw the ball
into tight windows. They see those throws as viable throws.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
And that tells you how much confidence Drake may has
in Drake Man. With that, the former Patriot a great
twelve years in the NFL, three Super Bowl Championship rings
in an MVP by Buddy Julian Edelman, who's on Fox
NFL Kickoff Sundays on Fox Buddy. So, I mean in
the summers, you can go northeast, you talk to your buddies.
I think it's pretty easy to predict that New England's
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going to have a little different tempo, a little more confidence.
Nothing against Jerrodd Male, but about half the coordinators don't
make it as head coaches predict what is the one
or two things that I will watch the Patriots and
it will be noticeably better.
Speaker 7 (23:54):
I think the rhythm of their offense is going to
be noticely better. Having Josh McDaniel's paired with Drake May
is huge.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
I mean, Josh.
Speaker 7 (24:02):
McDaniels brought Mac Jones, a pro bo BWL, a Pro
Bowl and the playoffs, and I think they have a
little more. They got more weapons this year. You know
the Trayvon Henderson draft pick. When I went to camp,
he stuck out like a sore thumb. This guy was
running James right White routes. I took James White a
long time to develop, like the first day I ever
seen him do it. And then he also his protection
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plan is like lights out as well. He's a smart individual.
I think they got nucleus guys in this draft with
Will Campbell Trayvon, pair him up with Drake next year
from last year, and that's how you create long sustained
success is when you get these nucleus type guys. So
I think they're going to look like a competent football
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team this year.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
Yeah, the you always said you thought Vrabel is one
of the smartest guys you ever played against. Her coach
Josh McDaniel. I think we look at him and because
he didn't work as a head coach, that immediately puts
a mark on you, a label on you. I interviewed
him a couple of times here on the set, really
really liked him. Take me inside of everybody. All the
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great coordinators have a secret sauce, some communication, some details.
What's the thing Josh does all your years of playing
football that is just different.
Speaker 7 (25:16):
Yeah, he tapers the offense around the guys we have
in the locker room very well. If you watch like
we ran through the slot because we had good slots,
our offense ran through the slot and the tight end
because that's we had Gronk, we had Me, Danny, we
had We were slot in in tight end heavy, So that's.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
How our offense looked.
Speaker 7 (25:38):
You always see also with the Josh McDaniels offense, you
see you see a preparation that that I mean, I
don't know any other different BILLI oh was very similar.
But there's a preparation factor that anytime they go into
a game they have it's a game plan system. So
you're not playing the same offense every time you're playing,
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you know, a different team, you're playing a different game
plan towards that specific game place.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
New England's reputation.
Speaker 7 (26:06):
Game plan type offensive coordinators. So you know, having smart,
tough football players in that system, which they're getting back
to getting through their drafts and through the free agencies.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
That they brought in.
Speaker 7 (26:17):
Having that pair with Josh allows you to have so
many different avenues of how you can call the game
and game plan against the team.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
So when the Cowboys treated Micah Parsons, and I've been
saying this for years, I know he's great, but I
look at Philadelphia's roster and I look at Dallas's roster
and I'm like, dude, you need players. And now they
have four total number one picks the next two years.
That could be four elite players if he hit on those.
When you let a star player walk, I remember belichicked
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it a once. Was Seymour or Chandler Chandler Jones Seymour?
What does it do to a locker room?
Speaker 7 (26:55):
Well, that's when you got to lean on the leaders,
and leaders have to go out and set the tempo
for how that that first workday after that that deal happens.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
So I think.
Speaker 7 (27:09):
Dak's gonna have a huge part in this. The leaders
in that locker room's going to are gonna have a
huge part in how they're going to deal with this.
And look, this could bring their team together, you know,
it could give them the US against the world mentality
where everyone's looking at them like, hey man, how did
you just trade Micah Parsons?
Speaker 1 (27:26):
Which I don't necessarily disagree with.
Speaker 7 (27:28):
There was obviously a line in the sand between personal
and business that got crossed on one of the sides,
which we've all been in that situation. I don't know,
you know, hearing the story about Jerry talking to Micah
like that was kind of how things went. When I
was playing Bill used to corner me in the cafeteria
all the time where contract negotiations, and I would just
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play dumb. I'm like, yeah, coach, I'm not going to
try to negotiate you. I would say, I leave this
to my agents. So there was something that happened there.
But if you look on this, you can't change unless
you change. And the Cowboys have been kind of in
this stalemate of who they've been because they're so top
heavy on how they're built. They have the highest paid receiver,
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the highest paid player, the highest paid corner they got,
you know this guy, that guy. Everyone's getting paid, but
there's no middle class. We had a lot of success
in New England because we had the largest middle class
in the league, and maybe that's what this is gonna do. So,
you know, it seems to be a good deal for
the Packers because they're instantly gonna have defense a guy
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that's an obvious problem. But this could be a good
thing for the Cowboys too, because maybe they're breaking the
mold of what they've been doing for the last five
six years and they can gain some good players out
of it.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
So Mike is an interesting player. I was talking to
a coach about this and they talked about Mikey. He said,
you know, people tried him at stack linebacker interior linebacker,
and he didn't have great instincts. He's just so damn athletic.
He's a splash player and so and he's a bit undersized.
But he goes to Green Bay and it is there's
an old saying in the NFL like seaball attack ball.
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Some guy Hassan Reddick was like that. Hassan Reddick was
a little bit of a bust early and all of
a sudden it was like move him outside and let
him go chase some guy. And Hassan had a great career.
So Micah is kind of a guy that sometimes Lawrence
Taylor had this I'm just gonna go get the quarterback.
I'm going to go pursue the ball. Is that disruptive
or in your career sometimes you just have a guy
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that he is great at one thing and you let
him do the one thing. Do you think he changes
the Packers defense dramatically or just picks up sacks? Is
he a Miles Garrett? I mean again, Teddy Bruski was
so many things. Yeah, Micah is just seaball and blow
it up. Does he change the Packers?
Speaker 7 (29:47):
I think he does because of that flexibility of being
able to move spots. Now, the Cowboys kept him on
the edge because they needed the production they weren't getting
out of anyone else. So you pair him with the
young packer that they have, who's the other edge guy.
He's a really good football player. You got two guys
that are doing some coolest things. And I heard Greg
Cosel say that they lead the league in the stunt.
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So the stunt game is going to be insane. I
do think he brings instant power and instant defense, and
instant potential turnovers and instant you know, make your corners
better because that quarterback is always going to have to
think about that he's going to increase the number of hurries.
He's gonna increase a whole lot of things. He's gonna
you're gonna have to game plan for him. That that
takes time out of the offensive coordinator's day on what
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we're gonna.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
Do as a team.
Speaker 7 (30:33):
We got to think about how we're gonna block this
guy because he can ruin the day.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
That's the game plan now.
Speaker 7 (30:38):
So I think there's a lot of great things that
he brings. And I think that the only reason he
played on the edge and with the Cowboys because that's
where his production was coming.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
Did you do who was a guy when you went
into a game planned early the week? Do you remember
there being a Micah Parsons like players.
Speaker 7 (30:53):
JJA JJA if anytime we played Houston a lot. We
played him in that first round and the number one
key to that game us we got to block JJ
Watt ninety nine. If we don't get him, we're losing
the game. That is the game, and that's what we did.
And because of Josh McDaniel's getting back to his play
calling style, having a younger offensive line, knowing where the
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offensive lines may be a little deficient, you can switch
how you protect on those guys. You double them from
five different areas. This guy's got a pair dublin him.
They're going to double for this side. They're going to
do this, So you know, I think JJ Watt was
a guy that we always had the game plan for.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
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Speaker 1 (31:46):
Derek Eagleton, a reporter, says, going to be raining throughout
the game tonight in Philadelphia, sloppy, ugly. That means run
game at a premium. Now, that may lower the score,
but Philadelphia's got the better online, the super start running back,
the better quarterback, the better everything. So expect Philadelphia to Uh,
it'll be a fast game. Run them all.
Speaker 7 (32:08):
It's gonna be a fast I think this whole Micah
Parsons trade could ignite the Cowboys maybe, Like I said earlier,
you get them on fire, right, them on fire, where
they're like it's us against the world. I mean, they
still have some good football players. They they're still pros.
They're all getting paid. It's not going to be just
a walk in the park for Philly. It's a division
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opponent opening night. These guys know each other inside now,
they've been playing against each others and.
Speaker 10 (32:33):
What Schottenneimber, he's been there. So I don't know, we'll
see very positive spin. Okay, so Patrick Mahomes. Players vote
for the top one hundred players in the league.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
Yeah, Patrick Mahomes was voted number five, despite he did
have a down season statistically. So let's start with this.
What was your take on him being only number five.
Speaker 7 (32:55):
I think it's crazy. I still think he's number one.
I think our arguably last year was his best season.
They were back to back champions. He went twelve or
where they go fifteen to two, they go to the
Super Bowl and lose in terrible fashion. But we've never
seen a team get to the super Bowl after going
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back to back. He had a roll of dex of
receivers all year long, guys that are hurt, still winning
football games, fan aid offensive line by the end, still
winning football games. And they're in this pocket now where
they know how to win and they can learn their
team through September and October and get themselves ready for
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that January run. So you know, we all talk about
a lot of these other quarterbacks, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson,
which they're very unbelievable football players, but they still haven't
made the play to get to the super Bowl. We've
seen Lamar Jackson season and twice three times on Blitz zero.
Still hasn't found a way to beat that. Josh Allen
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still can't make to play when the team needs the
push push they lose against that. We've seen over and over,
including last year Patrick Mahomes go make a third down
when his team needed it and he didn't have anyone
to throw it to.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
So this year they don't have her she Rice until
week seven, which.
Speaker 7 (34:15):
They don't need him until January. Okay, that's where they're
at in their season. That's where they're at in their
their window or what everyone wants to say. They know
how to win ball games. They need to play their
best football at the end of the year. They need
to be their healthiest at the end of the year.
And this could be the best thing for Rashi Rice
to go out and come six weeks later, because now
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Patrick's got to learn to throw to a new guy,
and then they get to rapport with another guy, because
we've seen that rapport with Rice, right, We've seen that
being developed over these last three years. So sometimes I
always would think, and the Patriots would always think, when
I would be hurt or Gronk would be hurt. It
trains these quarterbacks to learn new guys. The way I
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got Tom's chemistry and trust was when he had no
reason too, because we got rid of you know, Welker
and Amondola got hurt. So then it forces the quarterback
to learn how to to throw to other guys and
that could help the team.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
So so if in your I don't know, did Brady
Brady didn't know was win number one?
Speaker 7 (35:18):
No, he didn't, and that motivated him really. Yeah, he
would get you know, he would get really mad about that.
He would sit in the locker room and you know,
he wouldn't show it to a lot of guys, but
he would you know, there would be a comment here
there about you know, number three, that's you know, that's
be you know in that I kicked them.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
Along going jewels number three, Yeah, something like that.
Speaker 7 (35:43):
But the same could be said with how Patrick could
handle that this being number five. I mean, you don't
think this is going to motivate Patrick Mahomes, who doesn't
really need any motivation already has three Super Bowls, been
to four straight supers whatever. I mean, He's got all
the everything and are still talking about other guys that
are better than them.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
It's crazy to me. So when you listen, Caleb Williams
is fascinating because you can see the horsepower, you can
see the talent. There are some quarterbacks you watch and
you're like, I don't really you know, like some guys
are small, some guys are limited. When you watch Caleb,
you got to be blind not to see the horsepower. Yeah,
(36:25):
what are you looking for? Forget the stats because my
take is my eyes will tell me if it's working.
Speaker 7 (36:31):
I'm looking to not see the horsepower. I don't want
to see the horsepower. I want to see him football operationally.
I've just watched some of the sideline talks about, you know,
Ben Johnson and his football operation being able to communicate
a play, being able to tell the team the personnel group,
being able to get to the line of scrimmage, take
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a look at the defense, take a look at the front,
take a look at you know, where your receivers at,
being able to handle all that. If he could do that,
that that's when we will start to see, you know,
a rhythmatic type offense, and that's what we want to
I want to see more Jared Goff out of kleb Okay.
I want to see more Jared Goff. And then once
he knows how to run this offense operationally, because they're
(37:14):
going to be schemed open throws, there's gonna be a
good rhythm matter.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
Ben's offense is great with the primary.
Speaker 7 (37:19):
Receiving great, but I want to see him go out
and not show his flashy stuff, get rid of the football,
stay on time. And when he does that for six
to seven weeks and he gets comfortable in this system,
then then you could see the one, two, three plays
(37:39):
where you're like, all right, that's why he was the
number one pick. Look at Josh Allen, look at Patrick Mahomes.
These guys don't do this every single play. They're sitting
there and they're operationally getting the right play called. So
their offense sees the right play against the right defense,
and that's quarterbacking.
Speaker 1 (37:55):
Be more brock Purty.
Speaker 7 (37:57):
Okay, we all give brock Purty a you know, a
big no no because of the system and everything, and
he's not that good, but we never see his team
at the line of scrimmage fumbling to get the playoff.
They're there with twenty seconds, so he can sit and
communicate to Kyle Shanahan for the next five seconds to
get the right play called, and then they get the
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right play called, and then they're going.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
Well. J. Mack thinks the Niners are being disrespected to you,
I believe you know what, Yes, I do.
Speaker 7 (38:26):
They're going under the radar and they were just in
the Super Bowl a couple of years ago. They still
have a Pro Bowl tight end Kittle, they have really
good defense Fred Warner Bosa, and Brock Purdy has shown
time in and time again that he can make a
throw when his team needs it.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
Yeah, yeah, Jmax all over him. I think Seattle is
my dark horse team. New England will double their wins.
Seattle's the dark horse team in the League's somebody who
was with a great coach. Come on, Shanahan.
Speaker 7 (38:54):
Yeah, he's a really good I agree, it's hard to
go against mcveah. Hey, but the back scares me. I
saw a grunk, the most dominant human.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
Being in the world, reduced to to not.
Speaker 7 (39:06):
Being able to walk after he fell because of his back.
That's scary. No, that's scary.
Speaker 1 (39:11):
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Speaker 1 (00:24):
And with that Urban Meyer record setting big noon ratings,
things are going well in college football. You know, it's
funny urban nil transfer portal college football playoffs. Everybody freaked out.
It's gonna hurt college football, and we keep breaking records.
I thought the weekend was amazing. And one thing that
jumped out to me with Arch Manning, I mean, listen,
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inexperienced Buckeyes are great. It's in Columbus, but urban You've
been coaching quarterbacks forever. It didn't look as much jitters.
It was mechanics, it was armslot. I thought it was
jar to look at. I thought he was a bit overwhelmed.
When you watched it, did you think it was more
Matt Patricia environment Buckeye Secondary? Like, what went wrong? What
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gave Arch in your opinion, the most trouble?
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Well, the reality is that the quarterbacks get far too
much credit, far much, far too much blamed. There weren't
people open calling the Matt Patrician the bucket defense. I
don't want to say it was shot because they lost
five or six players and the coordinator and they look phenomenal.
But I went back Colin and I watched every snap
of arch Manny and I keep hearing about, you know,
(01:39):
potential first pick in the NFL draft, Heisman Trophy, and
I keep saying, stop this, that that's not fair to
this guy. This guy, if you put any other name
on the back of his jersey, let him grow as
a player. He'll be a much different player in four
to five weeks. See, he wasn't ready for that, But
either was Julian saying you can't be ready for that.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
You know.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
Someone said, well he started to get I said, know,
he didn't. This is his first start. When you're playing
in Mississippi State, it was not very good last year,
and another team that those don't count as you're starting
the horseshoe in front of, you know, millions of people
on TV.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
So he'll be fine.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
I was a little disappointed with the offensive skill of Texas.
I didn't see guys open. I didn't see the explosive
them as you expect out of So there's a couple
of common denominators of a great quarterback, and they all
say it they got great players around them, and maybe
there are.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
I didn't see that I did, and maybe you know.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Once again, we're going to find out more in the
next few weeks, really not in the next few weeks,
in about four or five weeks when they get in
the SEC because they both got Ohio State and Texas
have soft schedules. For a minute, but that the common
denominator is the great explosive player around arch.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
I didn't see that, you.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Know, Sark said after the game. And I was told
this recently that in the college football, as a defensive coordinator,
stop the run, and if you do, you're going to
win a lot of games. In the NFL, as a
defensive coordinator, you better stop the pass because almost every
team's got a guy that can sling it. So Matt
Patricia has been dealing with the best quarterbacks in the world.
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Now he goes to college. When you looked at every snap,
Sark said, it was elite. Did he disguise his coverage?
Is what did you see about Matt Patricia's defense, that
could be problematic for a young quarterback.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
I see multiple positions, so you see like a Caleb
Downs that can play will linebacker, he can play deep
half in the safety. And then they did a bunch
of the way he called simulated pressure, and the simulated
pressure is when they bring a linebacker or a secondary
player yet play zone behind it. Arch Mann, he's been
training as a quarterback, I imagine since he could say
hello because of the Manning family. And normally when you
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get a five to six man pressure, there's gonna be
man coverage behind it, or there's gonna be avoided zones.
Ohio State did a brilliant job of bringing pressure, but
there were no There was actually seven people in coverage.
So it looked like pressure, it smelt like pressure. It
was pressure, but it was in a coverage. They were
dropping people underneath that were twice I caught, and like
(04:05):
I said, I went back and watched every step over
and over again. Arch got caught on one side of
the formation, thinking that it was a fire zone or
a fire zone or even a man coverage, and it wasn't.
It was too deep and he got caught and he
got sacked. So I've done any did a great job
mat Partrishaw.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
So I was shocked because I think Kaylendi Boor is
an excellent coach. But I said that this week. I
said the sec is. I mean, you acknowledged you had
health issues. It's just tough. The intensity, the criticism, the
recruiting wars that art always for years and years on
the up and up. It can eat up really good coaches.
And I think Kaylendi Boor is a great coach. But
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something didn't look right urban They couldn't run that the effort.
Something didn't look right with Bama. Can you explain it?
Speaker 3 (04:54):
Yeah? And Kaylan Moore has been great to me. I
think his record speaks for himself. But he's you know,
he in it now. And I watched closely, you know,
mark Ingram's on our show, and we talk about it
all the time. When the word not running to the ball,
not giving great effort comes out of your mouth and
you say the word Alabama after that, that doesn't compute.
You know, that hasn't happened in a long time. And
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I'm worried about Alabama right now. You know, I saw
things that are signs that there's something either in the
locker room, there's something you know.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
And I made this comment on Big Neon. I believe
that he better have some grown ass men in that
locker room. Ryan Day.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
When they lost to the wolver Raines last year, they
flipped it around, you know why, and everybody gives the
coach's credit. I get it, But in that locker room,
we're some grown ass men that weren't going to put
up with that. And I don't know Alabama well enough,
and I challenged mark Ingram with this, you know who's
in that locker room.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
Because a coach is a coach.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
I get it, but at some point those veteran and
I use the term grown ass men better show up
in that locker room and get that right. Coaches can't
get that right. Coaches do the best they can, but
the players play.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Yeah, listen, I college coach and pro coaches, they're really different.
And a lot of it is just this is that,
you know, a lot of NFL coaches, Andy Reid doesn't
have to draft. He can work play design. He didn't
have to worry about the cap, he didn't have to
about you know, play design, culture, play calling. Sometimes some
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coaches don't do that. At the college level. You are
you are responsible for personnel, and I don't think there's
a lot of great coaches who are great at personnel.
You were Nick Saban was darned good. I think I
would say Jimmy Johnson was really good. I think Sean
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Payton's got a feel for it. I think Jim Harbaugh's
got a little bit of a feel for it. But
I watched Belichick and my take is, okay, it's one
thing to lose, but his last several New England drafts
weren't good. I didn't see the pop players. I didn't
see it. Were you surprise on just the lack of
anything after the first drive? I mean, there wasn't a
lot of offensive symmetry, there wasn't a lot of special players.
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Were you just surprised at what you watched?
Speaker 3 (07:11):
I think surprise is probably too light of a word, Colin,
I was shocked, you know.
Speaker 5 (07:15):
I was.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
Because I'm friends with coach Belichick. I have the most
respectful him you can have. I used to visit the
Patriots and go watch him, So there's no better coach
I've ever been around at Bill Belichick, and he would
gracious enough come down speak to our teams and our staff.
But I turned on that and I couldn't. I don't
know he's up against it, you know, I'm not sure
(07:38):
he's I know he had some early in his career
at Cleveland, which I really didn't study that, but maybe
the last few years in New England had some issues too.
But I can't imagine when he stands in the team
meeting and you're dealing with seventeen eighteen ninety year olds
there now being told, you know, should I leave, should
I stay? I can only imagine nonsense going on in
(08:01):
that locker room right now. So, uh, surprise is not
as strong enough word. When I know, and once again
I'll credit the TCU, but they're gonna have some tougher roads,
the tougher games down their OWD. Now, TC's great, but
there's also you got Clemson and Miami and some other
ones coming down the road that are really good.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Yeah, let's wrap it up with this. I don't want
to go too crazy. And I know he was a
great high school quarterback, but Bryce Underwood at Michigan Urban,
I mean I could have said he's great. That kid
that is different looking. What do you make of his talent.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
I use the term of a four minutes ago about
grown ass man and I was shot. And I mean again,
surprise is not the right word, because I went back
and watched every snap in my god. I' mean that's
a junior in college and he's really not and his
his his physical presence is cam Newton ish, his size,
his athleticisms, throws, wow, I mean spectacular. And I know,
(09:06):
once again they're not playing a top ten team yet
and they will coming down the road here, but that
day one, he might be that guy that walks on
campus like when I had Percy Harvin.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
You're just like, that's it. That's an absolute freak. You know.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
Get him ready to play as fas as he can
because that and I've heard that about him.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
I just now the assaulted person that's legit.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Yeah, I mean it just jumped off. Wherever you watch
that game, it was like magic. I mean, that is
a whip. He's got a big arm, he moves, his
accuracy doesn't dip when he moves. In Michigan, by the way,
does not have great receivers. He's not throwing to Ohio
State guys. This is a pretty average receiving corp yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
And he's almost like a Roethlisberger too, as far as
I mean, guys are hanging on him. You know, he's
a he's a big cat.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Now Urban great talking to is always Yeah, great to
talk to Colin all right, Yeah, I know. Nobody thinks
I'm getting a little hyper on that. And I said yesterday,
Ohio State, I think is going to control this conference.
I like am I like Oklahoma to beat him all
the juniors and seniors. It's in Norman. I like Oklahoma,
But man, there are sometimes you watch athletes and you're
(10:14):
just like, what is that? What is going on? All right?
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Speaker 1 (11:06):
I just saw do you have the Amari Cooper newsan?
Did you see that?
Speaker 7 (11:09):
No?
Speaker 1 (11:09):
I'm five time Pro bowler Amari Cooper just retired from
the Raiders, leaving them with four receivers, Jacoby Myers and
three guys that I wouldn't recognize if they walked in
the studio. So so New England. Interesting, Well, they have
Brock Bowers. I like Chobe Myers. I think he's a
(11:30):
more of a two, but he's a good player. I
was surprised Belichick let him go. I like, so, Amari
Cooper's young guy, isn't he? Like thirty one, ten thousand
receiving yards plus five Pro Bowls. He was always a
very quiet guy, like I always felt he was a
guy that taking care of business, put his money away,
had other things beyond you know, he never sought attention
(11:51):
even in Dallas. Just a grown up, just an adult. Yeah,
thirty one years old. Geez, that's good. Retired at thirty one.
Speaker 5 (11:59):
More well for himself, Yeah, excellent wide receiver, no drama,
just fifetime Pro bowler.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Good receiver, had a good career. Yeah, jmak with a
news no turns.
Speaker 5 (12:13):
This is the herd mind from one quiet, cool wide
receiver to a combative one. Tyreek Hill a lot of
drama with the Dolphins this offseason. Did you notice Tyreek
was not voted at captain by his teammates? All that
uh it says it won't change his ability to be
a leader for the Dolphins.
Speaker 8 (12:34):
At the end of the day, I feel like this
is about the team and I don't need the title
to be able to read.
Speaker 4 (12:39):
I'm gonna continue to push the standard.
Speaker 8 (12:41):
You know what, coach, And he got the quishing in
the locker room in I'm all and I'm always been
a guy that that land by, that U by exactly,
so excuse me. That money captain thing is great, but
and I say I'm a the king.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
He was doing a small thing. He's not a leader.
He's a talent, and there's a big difference. I always
said a Rod's a great baseball talent. Jeter, Mariano Rivera,
Jorge Pasada felt like leaders and that's not a knock.
I think Aaron Rodgers is a great talent. Do I
think he's the best leader. You know, Tyreek's a remarkable
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wide receiver. But I'm not depending on him for anything
other than that. That's fine.
Speaker 5 (13:18):
Yeah, I'm on the of the belief he will not
last the full season in Miami. I think in the deadline,
somebody who's like maybe a fringe Super Bowl contender, says,
let's make a push, let's go get Tyreek Hill.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
To try to put us over the top. He's still
got some juice.
Speaker 5 (13:34):
I just can you control a personality like that who's
very strong?
Speaker 1 (13:38):
You know if in the history of the league, I
mean Larry Fitzgerald's an outlier where you're the rock of
your franchise, the dependable, mature rock of the franchise is
a wide receiver. It is a very you know, it's
the first guy to break the huddle. It is a
little bit of the NBA player on a football field.
You kind of work alone up the sideline. Those sideline
receivers they come, they want the ball, and you know,
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I just I think that's a fairly reasonable prediction that
I could see at the trade deadline. If Miami losers
to the Colts, this weekend and they're you know, they're
under five hundred. I could see them saying, we need
draft picks. This is a reboot year.
Speaker 5 (14:17):
He's not Antonio Brown, but Tom Brady recruited Antonio Brown
and then to the Bucks, they win the Super Bowl,
and then the next year. I think they were massive implosions.
So we'll see what Tyreek next. Up to college football
Colin where Bill Belichick is coming off, you know, kind
of an embarrassing loss in his debut kind of We
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know Belichick had a big falling out with Craft before.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Taking the job. Well, how about this one.
Speaker 5 (14:43):
According to your buddy John Middelkoff, Bill Belichick has reportedly
banned Patriots scouts from North Carolina practices.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
Okay, that's all.
Speaker 5 (14:54):
Belichick has not addressed this yet. However, that's not a
good life for Belichick. If you're banning Patriots scouts just
because of your like, you you're hurting your players from
getting looked at.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
I just think there's such a reservoir of distrust and
dislike between Craft and Belichick. And I think that documentary
that I watched, was it this summer or was it
last year? I thatt the documentary that was very pro
craft anti Bill. I know a lot of Patriot fans,
but we have to be fair here is that Bill's
(15:31):
got some real debits when Tom Brady's not part of
his universe Cleveland pre Tom starting in New England, Tom
leaving in New England. That thing. Okay, Look, so does
this ding Belichick's legacy? Said I said yesterday, I don't
think Michael Jordan and Washington or or you know, Joe
(15:53):
Namath end of his career. I don't think players. If
you're great, you're great. Same with actors. Marlon has three
or four bombs, He's still Marlon Brando. I think artists
can have bad albums and actors can have duds, and
I think players can Patrick Ewing wearing some Orlando Magic
jersey or Raptors jersey, whatever it was. That doesn't diing
(16:16):
your legacy. But when you just take one human, Tom
Brady out of Belichick's career, he's a great defensive mind
where the wins as a head coach, I don't see it.
Maybe we can ask our next guest when he shows up.
Final story, Colin, how about this one? Now this we.
Speaker 5 (16:36):
Haven't talked to a lot of WNBA Kittlekark's.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Been hurt forever.
Speaker 5 (16:39):
But Angel Reese came out in an interview. Remember she's
in her second year in the WNBA, and this is
what she said. I'd like to be here, meaning in Chicago,
for my career, but if things don't pan out, obviously
I might have to move in a different direction and
do what's best for me. She later apologized, saying the
language was taken out of con but Colin, the damage
(17:01):
has been done. There are reports stemming in Chicago that
the locker room may not be repairable after Reese essentially
basically saying, my teammates aren't good enough. We need better players. Listen,
we've heard she is a good player, not a great
offensive player player, but hey, she's so good, why aren't
(17:21):
they better? Well, I just a solid young player in
the league.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
How many games you know, it's interesting for all the
you know, there's there's a there's a there's a unit
or a portion of the media that is very pro
w NBA to a fault, and then there's those of
us that are realistic. How many times have you watched
w NBA games since Caitlin Clark got hurt? Now, think
about this. It led our show last summer A bunch
(17:48):
oh I talked. I think I led with it six times.
I led with the w NBA, and I don't either way.
I talk about what I think is interesting. You noticed
I didn't talk about it this year. Stop because I
suddenly disliked the league. I thought it was growing. Anybody
that wants to argue this, you're off your rocker. Caitlin
Clark is the league. I don't know what the ratings are,
(18:10):
I haven't read them, but I know I last year
with Caitlyn Clark, I was I would if the game
was on, I would drive home making a point and
when's that game on? I would watch it on my phone.
Speaker 5 (18:21):
Yeah cars, Yeah, I could listen, not watch I'm driving,
but you could listen to it in the car.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
And that's just not happening.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
Now.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
I'm tracking the Sparks a little bit out here. La
Sparks are kind of trying to put me. Angel Re
is a good player, but this idea, and I think
she is valuable as a counter punch, as a bit
of a college and pro rival to Caitlin Clark. But
for all the people that are hey, the growth of
the league, Caitlin Clark is this is Tiger on the tour.
There was a lot of other good golfers. Tiger was
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getting people do a TV singularly. Let's remember outside of
the Masters or US Open.
Speaker 5 (18:53):
Before the season, Angel Reese was like, yeah, we need
to hold out.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
I need more money. This is unacceptable.
Speaker 5 (18:58):
Now she's throwing her teammates under a bus, saying we're
not good enough.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
Colin.
Speaker 5 (19:02):
This is starting to not look and I know people
want to defend her. She's got a lot of followers
on IG. I think we just need to put things
in context with Angel Reese. Here, she's all about Angel Reese.
She don't care about the team. That's just real.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
That's the reality. And her teammates are essentially saying that
J Mack with the News hot take, Well that's like that,
and thanks for stopping by. Well she has opinionators, she's
she's just fine.
Speaker 5 (19:26):
Hey, be opinionated, okay, but be ready for the repercussions.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Colin when they come. I'm opinionated. I know when to
reel it in.
Speaker 5 (19:33):
We're adults, and you know, sure, she's a young Listen.
If I were he's sitting here twenty five, you probably
would have.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Got rid of the r don't you think it's it's
year two for Michael Jordan he broke his foot and
he didn't play. And I've compared her, like Michael Jordan
came in and I remember it it was like wow,
bulls weren't great, but it was wow. Then year two
he gets hurt, he wanted to play, and Caitlin same thing.
It was wow, like changing TV ratings. Year two she
gets hurt. It is uh, It's just it's weird. And
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the difference is or I should say another similarity is
one of the problems Michael had early was the physical
play that was allowed against him. The Pistons and the
Celtics were just leaning on him, beating him up. And
you know, Michael and his coaching staffs were complaining, you're
letting people get away with too much. So Michael started
putting on weight as his career extended, getting stronger. Is
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Caitlin the big knock in the WNBA, because I think
they've done some things very well since Kaitlyn arrived. Is
the NBA's figured it out during the regular season, they
let you play when the playoffs started. In the NBA,
no excuse me. During the regular season, they call it close.
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They want their stars to be protected. It's a long season.
Then the NBA gets to the playoffs and they let
them play. And it's physical, and we had some injuries,
but they let them play because physical basketball is more
appealing to fans. But the NBA understands, we want our
stars available for the playoffs. So the NBA calls a
much tighter game regular season, they blow the whistle and
(21:06):
there's been a criticism that the young refs called too much,
too much, but they keep their stars healthy so they're
ready to enter the playoffs. Then they just let it's
a free for all. The WNBA has not learned from him.
They let them just play. And so many injuries.
Speaker 5 (21:24):
By the way, all these like I joke that it's
like prison rules in the WNB, like anything goes.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
They're cheap show and players guards are complaining. They're like,
it's ridiculous. A bunch of stars have got hurt. I mean,
Sophie cunning Hand's on a star, but she's out for
the season. There's been a lot of questionable hits that
have not really been refereed the way they should. Yeah,
Jordan was one hundred and ninety five pounds when he
got drafted then two point fifteen during the championship run,
he had to put on twenty pounds in the documentary,
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like he had to get big. Lamar Jackson did that
in the NFL A lot a lot of these young
skinny quarterbacks they put weight on. But the WNBA just
does not officiate the regular season, just let them go.
And it's like, yeah, but everybody's binged up for the player.
And by the way, their season is short, so you
get to the playoffs very quickly. You'll want your stars.
So by the way, Greg Cosell was on earlier today
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last hour and we were talking about Drake May and
I do think we've done this about four or five
years in row. Generally you can find a team in
the NFL. I predicted Washington and Denver last year, rams
year before Vikings year before. You can see when teams
either get a better coach like New England Rabel, they
spend money in free agency, they have a young quarterback
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getting better. I think the easiest prediction in the league
is New England will double their wins. That is the
easiest bet in the league. Last year I had Washington
making the playoffs. I thought Denver would double their wins
or come close to it. They were better than I thought.
But here was Greg Cosell on what he has seen
with Drake.
Speaker 9 (22:51):
May Nate toughness in the pocket, and I don't think
you can teach that. I think the guys that are
willing to stand and deliver when there's people around them
and they know they're going to get hit, I'm not.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
Sure you can teach that.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
He's got that.
Speaker 9 (23:04):
The other thing I'm not sure that you can teach
players is just a natural willingness to throw the ball
into tight windows. They see those throws as viable throws.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
And that tells you how much confidence Drake may has
in Drake Man. With that, the former Patriot a great
twelve years in the NFL, three Super Bowl Championship rings
in an MVP by Buddy Julian Edelman, who's on Fox
NFL Kickoff Sundays on Fox Buddy. So, I mean in
the summers, you can go northeast, you talk to your buddies.
I think it's pretty easy to predict that New England's
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going to have a little different tempo, a little more confidence.
Nothing against Jerrodd Male, but about half the coordinators don't
make it as head coaches predict what is the one
or two things that I will watch the Patriots and
it will be noticeably better.
Speaker 7 (23:54):
I think the rhythm of their offense is going to
be noticely better. Having Josh McDaniel's paired with Drake May
is huge.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
I mean, Josh.
Speaker 7 (24:02):
McDaniels brought Mac Jones, a pro bo BWL, a Pro
Bowl and the playoffs, and I think they have a
little more. They got more weapons this year. You know
the Trayvon Henderson draft pick. When I went to camp,
he stuck out like a sore thumb. This guy was
running James right White routes. I took James White a
long time to develop, like the first day I ever
seen him do it. And then he also his protection
(24:25):
plan is like lights out as well. He's a smart individual.
I think they got nucleus guys in this draft with
Will Campbell Trayvon, pair him up with Drake next year
from last year, and that's how you create long sustained
success is when you get these nucleus type guys. So
I think they're going to look like a competent football
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team this year.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
Yeah, the you always said you thought Vrabel is one
of the smartest guys you ever played against. Her coach
Josh McDaniel. I think we look at him and because
he didn't work as a head coach, that immediately puts
a mark on you, a label on you. I interviewed
him a couple of times here on the set, really
really liked him. Take me inside of everybody. All the
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great coordinators have a secret sauce, some communication, some details.
What's the thing Josh does all your years of playing
football that is just different.
Speaker 7 (25:16):
Yeah, he tapers the offense around the guys we have
in the locker room very well. If you watch like
we ran through the slot because we had good slots,
our offense ran through the slot and the tight end
because that's we had Gronk, we had Me, Danny, we
had We were slot in in tight end heavy, So that's.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
How our offense looked.
Speaker 7 (25:38):
You always see also with the Josh McDaniels offense, you
see you see a preparation that that I mean, I
don't know any other different BILLI oh was very similar.
But there's a preparation factor that anytime they go into
a game they have it's a game plan system. So
you're not playing the same offense every time you're playing,
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you know, a different team, you're playing a different game
plan towards that specific game place.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
New England's reputation.
Speaker 7 (26:06):
Game plan type offensive coordinators. So you know, having smart,
tough football players in that system, which they're getting back
to getting through their drafts and through the free agencies.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
That they brought in.
Speaker 7 (26:17):
Having that pair with Josh allows you to have so
many different avenues of how you can call the game
and game plan against the team.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
So when the Cowboys treated Micah Parsons, and I've been
saying this for years, I know he's great, but I
look at Philadelphia's roster and I look at Dallas's roster
and I'm like, dude, you need players. And now they
have four total number one picks the next two years.
That could be four elite players if he hit on those.
When you let a star player walk, I remember belichicked
(26:48):
it a once. Was Seymour or Chandler Chandler Jones Seymour?
What does it do to a locker room?
Speaker 7 (26:55):
Well, that's when you got to lean on the leaders,
and leaders have to go out and set the tempo
for how that that first workday after that that deal happens.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
So I think.
Speaker 7 (27:09):
Dak's gonna have a huge part in this. The leaders
in that locker room's going to are gonna have a
huge part in how they're going to deal with this.
And look, this could bring their team together, you know,
it could give them the US against the world mentality
where everyone's looking at them like, hey man, how did
you just trade Micah Parsons?
Speaker 1 (27:26):
Which I don't necessarily disagree with.
Speaker 7 (27:28):
There was obviously a line in the sand between personal
and business that got crossed on one of the sides,
which we've all been in that situation. I don't know,
you know, hearing the story about Jerry talking to Micah
like that was kind of how things went. When I
was playing Bill used to corner me in the cafeteria
all the time where contract negotiations, and I would just
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play dumb. I'm like, yeah, coach, I'm not going to
try to negotiate you. I would say, I leave this
to my agents. So there was something that happened there.
But if you look on this, you can't change unless
you change. And the Cowboys have been kind of in
this stalemate of who they've been because they're so top
heavy on how they're built. They have the highest paid receiver,
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the highest paid player, the highest paid corner they got,
you know this guy, that guy. Everyone's getting paid, but
there's no middle class. We had a lot of success
in New England because we had the largest middle class
in the league, and maybe that's what this is gonna do. So,
you know, it seems to be a good deal for
the Packers because they're instantly gonna have defense a guy
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that's an obvious problem. But this could be a good
thing for the Cowboys too, because maybe they're breaking the
mold of what they've been doing for the last five
six years and they can gain some good players out
of it.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
So Mike is an interesting player. I was talking to
a coach about this and they talked about Mikey. He said,
you know, people tried him at stack linebacker interior linebacker,
and he didn't have great instincts. He's just so damn athletic.
He's a splash player and so and he's a bit undersized.
But he goes to Green Bay and it is there's
an old saying in the NFL like seaball attack ball.
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Some guy Hassan Reddick was like that. Hassan Reddick was
a little bit of a bust early and all of
a sudden it was like move him outside and let
him go chase some guy. And Hassan had a great career.
So Micah is kind of a guy that sometimes Lawrence
Taylor had this I'm just gonna go get the quarterback.
I'm going to go pursue the ball. Is that disruptive
or in your career sometimes you just have a guy
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that he is great at one thing and you let
him do the one thing. Do you think he changes
the Packers defense dramatically or just picks up sacks? Is
he a Miles Garrett? I mean again, Teddy Bruski was
so many things. Yeah, Micah is just seaball and blow
it up. Does he change the Packers?
Speaker 7 (29:47):
I think he does because of that flexibility of being
able to move spots. Now, the Cowboys kept him on
the edge because they needed the production they weren't getting
out of anyone else. So you pair him with the
young packer that they have, who's the other edge guy.
He's a really good football player. You got two guys
that are doing some coolest things. And I heard Greg
Cosel say that they lead the league in the stunt.
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So the stunt game is going to be insane. I
do think he brings instant power and instant defense, and
instant potential turnovers and instant you know, make your corners
better because that quarterback is always going to have to
think about that he's going to increase the number of hurries.
He's gonna increase a whole lot of things. He's gonna
you're gonna have to game plan for him. That that
takes time out of the offensive coordinator's day on what
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we're gonna.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
Do as a team.
Speaker 7 (30:33):
We got to think about how we're gonna block this
guy because he can ruin the day.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
That's the game plan now.
Speaker 7 (30:38):
So I think there's a lot of great things that
he brings. And I think that the only reason he
played on the edge and with the Cowboys because that's
where his production was coming.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
Did you do who was a guy when you went
into a game planned early the week? Do you remember
there being a Micah Parsons like players.
Speaker 7 (30:53):
JJA JJA if anytime we played Houston a lot. We
played him in that first round and the number one
key to that game us we got to block JJ
Watt ninety nine. If we don't get him, we're losing
the game. That is the game, and that's what we did.
And because of Josh McDaniel's getting back to his play
calling style, having a younger offensive line, knowing where the
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offensive lines may be a little deficient, you can switch
how you protect on those guys. You double them from
five different areas. This guy's got a pair dublin him.
They're going to double for this side. They're going to
do this, So you know, I think JJ Watt was
a guy that we always had the game plan for.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
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Speaker 1 (31:46):
Derek Eagleton, a reporter, says, going to be raining throughout
the game tonight in Philadelphia, sloppy, ugly. That means run
game at a premium. Now, that may lower the score,
but Philadelphia's got the better online, the super start running back,
the better quarterback, the better everything. So expect Philadelphia to Uh,
it'll be a fast game. Run them all.
Speaker 7 (32:08):
It's gonna be a fast I think this whole Micah
Parsons trade could ignite the Cowboys maybe, Like I said earlier,
you get them on fire, right, them on fire, where
they're like it's us against the world. I mean, they
still have some good football players. They they're still pros.
They're all getting paid. It's not going to be just
a walk in the park for Philly. It's a division
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opponent opening night. These guys know each other inside now,
they've been playing against each others and.
Speaker 10 (32:33):
What Schottenneimber, he's been there. So I don't know, we'll
see very positive spin. Okay, so Patrick Mahomes. Players vote
for the top one hundred players in the league.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
Yeah, Patrick Mahomes was voted number five, despite he did
have a down season statistically. So let's start with this.
What was your take on him being only number five.
Speaker 7 (32:55):
I think it's crazy. I still think he's number one.
I think our arguably last year was his best season.
They were back to back champions. He went twelve or
where they go fifteen to two, they go to the
Super Bowl and lose in terrible fashion. But we've never
seen a team get to the super Bowl after going
(33:15):
back to back. He had a roll of dex of
receivers all year long, guys that are hurt, still winning
football games, fan aid offensive line by the end, still
winning football games. And they're in this pocket now where
they know how to win and they can learn their
team through September and October and get themselves ready for
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that January run. So you know, we all talk about
a lot of these other quarterbacks, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson,
which they're very unbelievable football players, but they still haven't
made the play to get to the super Bowl. We've
seen Lamar Jackson season and twice three times on Blitz zero.
Still hasn't found a way to beat that. Josh Allen
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still can't make to play when the team needs the
push push they lose against that. We've seen over and over,
including last year Patrick Mahomes go make a third down
when his team needed it and he didn't have anyone
to throw it to.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
So this year they don't have her she Rice until
week seven, which.
Speaker 7 (34:15):
They don't need him until January. Okay, that's where they're
at in their season. That's where they're at in their
their window or what everyone wants to say. They know
how to win ball games. They need to play their
best football at the end of the year. They need
to be their healthiest at the end of the year.
And this could be the best thing for Rashi Rice
to go out and come six weeks later, because now
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Patrick's got to learn to throw to a new guy,
and then they get to rapport with another guy, because
we've seen that rapport with Rice, right, We've seen that
being developed over these last three years. So sometimes I
always would think, and the Patriots would always think, when
I would be hurt or Gronk would be hurt. It
trains these quarterbacks to learn new guys. The way I
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got Tom's chemistry and trust was when he had no
reason too, because we got rid of you know, Welker
and Amondola got hurt. So then it forces the quarterback
to learn how to to throw to other guys and
that could help the team.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
So so if in your I don't know, did Brady
Brady didn't know was win number one?
Speaker 7 (35:18):
No, he didn't, and that motivated him really. Yeah, he
would get you know, he would get really mad about that.
He would sit in the locker room and you know,
he wouldn't show it to a lot of guys, but
he would you know, there would be a comment here
there about you know, number three, that's you know, that's
be you know in that I kicked them.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
Along going jewels number three, Yeah, something like that.
Speaker 7 (35:43):
But the same could be said with how Patrick could
handle that this being number five. I mean, you don't
think this is going to motivate Patrick Mahomes, who doesn't
really need any motivation already has three Super Bowls, been
to four straight supers whatever. I mean, He's got all
the everything and are still talking about other guys that
are better than them.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
It's crazy to me. So when you listen, Caleb Williams
is fascinating because you can see the horsepower, you can
see the talent. There are some quarterbacks you watch and
you're like, I don't really you know, like some guys
are small, some guys are limited. When you watch Caleb,
you got to be blind not to see the horsepower. Yeah,
(36:25):
what are you looking for? Forget the stats because my
take is my eyes will tell me if it's working.
Speaker 7 (36:31):
I'm looking to not see the horsepower. I don't want
to see the horsepower. I want to see him football operationally.
I've just watched some of the sideline talks about, you know,
Ben Johnson and his football operation being able to communicate
a play, being able to tell the team the personnel group,
being able to get to the line of scrimmage, take
(36:52):
a look at the defense, take a look at the front,
take a look at you know, where your receivers at,
being able to handle all that. If he could do that,
that that's when we will start to see, you know,
a rhythmatic type offense, and that's what we want to
I want to see more Jared Goff out of kleb Okay.
I want to see more Jared Goff. And then once
he knows how to run this offense operationally, because they're
(37:14):
going to be schemed open throws, there's gonna be a
good rhythm matter.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
Ben's offense is great with the primary.
Speaker 7 (37:19):
Receiving great, but I want to see him go out
and not show his flashy stuff, get rid of the football,
stay on time. And when he does that for six
to seven weeks and he gets comfortable in this system,
then then you could see the one, two, three plays
(37:39):
where you're like, all right, that's why he was the
number one pick. Look at Josh Allen, look at Patrick Mahomes.
These guys don't do this every single play. They're sitting
there and they're operationally getting the right play called. So
their offense sees the right play against the right defense,
and that's quarterbacking.
Speaker 1 (37:55):
Be more brock Purty.
Speaker 7 (37:57):
Okay, we all give brock Purty a you know, a
big no no because of the system and everything, and
he's not that good, but we never see his team
at the line of scrimmage fumbling to get the playoff.
They're there with twenty seconds, so he can sit and
communicate to Kyle Shanahan for the next five seconds to
get the right play called, and then they get the
(38:17):
right play called, and then they're going.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
Well. J. Mack thinks the Niners are being disrespected to you,
I believe you know what, Yes, I do.
Speaker 7 (38:26):
They're going under the radar and they were just in
the Super Bowl a couple of years ago. They still
have a Pro Bowl tight end Kittle, they have really
good defense Fred Warner Bosa, and Brock Purdy has shown
time in and time again that he can make a
throw when his team needs it.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
Yeah, yeah, Jmax all over him. I think Seattle is
my dark horse team. New England will double their wins.
Seattle's the dark horse team in the League's somebody who
was with a great coach. Come on, Shanahan.
Speaker 7 (38:54):
Yeah, he's a really good I agree, it's hard to
go against mcveah. Hey, but the back scares me. I
saw a grunk, the most dominant human.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
Being in the world, reduced to to not.
Speaker 7 (39:06):
Being able to walk after he fell because of his back.
That's scary. No, that's scary.
Speaker 1 (39:11):
He thirty seven, Julian Edelman Urban meyerstop by Greg Colesell
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