September 11, 2025 • 34 mins
7-time Super Bowl champion Tom Brady joins the show to preview the Super Bowl rematch between the Eagles and the Chiefs on Fox.
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Speaker 3 (00:27):
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Speaker 2 (00:28):
This is the Herdline News.
Speaker 4 (00:31):
It's the game of the week on Fox.
Speaker 5 (00:32):
Collins Sunday Eagles Chiefs Super.
Speaker 4 (00:36):
Bowl rematch the Kansas City.
Speaker 5 (00:38):
Chiefs reeling looking to avoid a zero and two start.
Mahomes was terrible, rotten, awful in the Super Bowl, got
roughed up, Philly blew him out. Mahomes is now discussing
how the Eagles were able to slow him down back
in February.
Speaker 6 (00:53):
To progress and to be better next time, you have
to watch it and learn from it. And so I
don't know the exact amount of times where you watch it,
and you watch it in the offseason with the team
and with the coaches, and then you watch it obviously
this week as well. And so they had a great
game plan, they played hard and did a great job
of disrupting my timing, and so I have to learn
from that, find ways to get the ball out of
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my hand and then when the opportunities are there. I
think that's something I didn't miss early in the game,
as there was opportunities to make plays, and you got
to make those plays because if you don't, they're not
going to allow those opportunities. Again.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
Yeah, I think this could get ugly. I think Philadelphia.
I think Philadelphia roles.
Speaker 5 (01:30):
Well, you remember one of us called the Super Bowl accurately,
and oh, by the way, in case your curious audience,
Pro Football Focus graded out the tackles of the Chiefs
and this is just from Week one against the Chargers,
who had Khalil Mack and the mediocre pass for US Josh.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
Simmons the rookie fifty sixth.
Speaker 5 (01:48):
Out of sixty five tackles and Jawan Taylor, who's terrible,
grated out his fifty seven both not very good. That
was the problem in the Super Bowl. I think the
Eagles get after him again, and I'm with you. I
like Philip Delphia to go into Arrowhead. Send the Chiefs
your Chiefs, sorry, Knicks, Chiefs to oh and two. Next
next story, Colin is JJ McCarthy. Boy, what a comeback
(02:11):
On Monday Night football went off in the fourth quarter
three touchdowns, big comeback.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
During his press conference yesterday, McCarthy.
Speaker 5 (02:18):
Talked about how his persona changes when he steps on
the field.
Speaker 7 (02:23):
Carell Yeah, for sure. Yeah, it is real when you know,
I'm ready to go to war on Sundays, Mondays and
Thursdays and you know sometimes Saturdays and third and Wednesdays. Yeah,
but uh yeah, it's really just like a flip that
switched and you know, the rest take care of itself
from there.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (02:45):
Kind of like kind of like us when we walk
into the studio, it's like a different J Mac. It's like, Oh,
he's locked in, he's ready to go. I like what
I saw for McCarthy.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Collins.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
Final story Travis Hunter.
Speaker 5 (02:56):
He made his NFL debut in Week one, didn't have
a huge huge impact, did catch six passes for thirty
three yards, and defensively, Hunter made a tackle. He ended
up playing forty two offensive snaps just six on defense,
but head coach Liam Cohen said he's gonna be playing
a little more defense this weekend against the Bungles.
Speaker 8 (03:16):
Going in a Week one it was okay we'll probably
we know that it's not going to be a ton
on defense. The goal is to increase and continue to increase.
It just so happens that we're playing Cincinnati with two
good white House this week.
Speaker 5 (03:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
I like Cincinnati definitely. I get the better quarterback at home.
Speaker 5 (03:38):
Yeah, a bit of a cop out. Give me the
over in this one. I think we're gonna see points
and offense at Bengals defense. I mean Joe Flacco moved
the ball at will Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
Yeah, I agreed.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
Flaco wasn't bad at all.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
No.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
Jmack with the news.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Well, that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
Herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
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Speaker 5 (05:02):
Bro Saquon leads to defending champion Eagles against Patrick Mahomes
and the Chiefs America's Game of the Week Sunday for
Eastern on Fox.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
I mean he had a lot of big stars in
that game.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Unfortunately, right now, if you listed the top ten to
twelve players, I think it would be eight. I mean,
obviously Chris Jones and Patrick Mahomes would be in there,
but I just think there's a preponderance and the dominance
the Philadelphia's roster. I mean, do top of your head
ten best players in that game. I mean you could
take three offensive line with the Eagles alone. Jalen Carter
would be in there. Saquon Barkley's in there, Jalen Hurts
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is probably in there. I mean it's right now Philadelphia's roster.
There's not a lot of holes. Jalen Carter returns, so
the Cowboys had some success running the ball. I doubt
they have as much success as the Cowboys had with
Jalen Carter returning. And I also think this week we've
had really good standalone games in the NFL, so the
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Bears and the Vikings. The more it gets examined by
people I respect, the more disheartening it is for Chicago.
And Tom Brady's talked about this before. So much of
being a quarterback in the NFL is pre snap so
much as operations. So I mean, it really is. It's
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the foundation of the house. Forget about the snazzy kitchen.
You gotta get the foundation right. And Greg Cosel earlier
today did not mince words on what the film said
about Caleb's Week one performance.
Speaker 10 (06:39):
He's got things that need to be clearly worked on.
I'm sure they're working on them. There's too many what
we call turndowns throws that are there that he does
not make. And in any given week, Colin and you
know this can he make special plays because he has
a great arm and throws a beautiful ball, although he
missed a lot of throws with poor accuracy in this game.
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But he has a beautiful arm, and he's obviously very
mobile and can make plays outside of structure. But that's
not the way you can live in the NFL, as
you know, week to week.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
Yeah, if you take off the first ten passes, he
was ten for ten.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
That's on script, and.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
That's impressive right against Brian Flores. But if you take
away the first ten passes and offensive coaches loved the
script those to first ten, twelve, fifteen plays, it was
pretty meager.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
It was pretty bad.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
And then the issues for Caleb seem harder to correct.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
Footwork pre snap penalties.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Leads the league last eighteen games by forty eight percent
on balls overthrown. JJ McCarthy's issues were in game much
easier to correct, which were kind of lack of confidence,
you know they were. It was a pretty protective game plan,
and so when Greg Hossel looked at JJ McCarthy on
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his performance, here's what he saw.
Speaker 10 (08:10):
When a coordinator calls a play and the primary receiver
is open and the play breaks down, the defense the
way you anticipate when you make the play call and
the quarterback execcutes it, which is what you want. By
the way, that's what every coordinator wants. Where do we
give the credit? JJ McCarthy will reap the benefits of
Kevin O'Connell being one of the best in the league
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at being able to do this.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
And I think my general takeaway is Caleb Williams was
at his best on script. JJ McCarthy was at his
best the last three drives mostly off script, right, So
like that, the further you get away from leaning on
coaching it being a little bit of a crutch because
I don't know what the percentages are, but I wouldn't
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be surprised if the highest percentage of scoring in the
NFL is on first drives. I mean, that's the stuff
because sixty five percent of winners in the NFL the
first team to score. So you know, your coaches you
want to take an early lead. On average, sixty sixty
five percent of winners in the NFL lead a game,
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So that first drive is you know, it's really important
to trail going into a fourth quarter as a road
team and then to win convincingly just doesn't happen a lot,
and it usually takes a pretty special level of quarterback.
And I was talking to Jake Butt, former Michigan tight
end before the show started today. He works with the
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Big Ten Network, and I just bumped into him in
the hallway here and he said, you know, that's that
is the thing with JJ McCarthy, because Jake went to
Michigan McCarthy a Wolverine, is that he always sort of
had that confidence. Is that he was just always a
guy that believed in himself and Harbaugh believed in him.
And his reputation was he was a gamer, like he
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played his back when he had to play his best,
and that's what he did.
Speaker 4 (10:04):
So so much.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
Of quarterback play is how do you play on the road,
how do you play trailing? How do you play now?
He did have the advantage of a pretty substantial run
effort of the Vikings, so that's some of it. But
I mean, listen, it's it's it is not how you
start in this league, it is how you finished.
Speaker 4 (10:22):
That's what we remember. And so.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
My gut feeling is JJ McCarthy will look much more
like the fourth quarter JJ than the first quarter. I mean,
that's what I'm going to go off of you know,
any good quarterback can go on script, but the special
guys are good off script. And so that's what's disturbing
about Caleb Williams. He leads the NFL the last eighteen games,
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and overthrows the operations are a problem. Pre Snap's he
completed sixty five percent of his throws, are slightly less
on the layoffs, on the stuff six yards and under.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
So you're like, what is he good at the layups? Overthrows?
Speaker 1 (11:01):
So he's got you know, he's got a ton of horsepower,
but I mean there's listen, the more you start breaking
down the stats on Caleb Williams, the more discouraging it is.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
There's not a lot.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
It really reminded me of a less refined Cam Newton.
Cam had his moment I never felt like I never
I didn't love Cam's mechanics and he was always a
bit distracted.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
But Cam could get on heaters with accuracy. Cam could have.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
You know, he could have a four game stretch where
Cam was really humming, really feeling it. I would just
like to see, you know, I would like to see
a half off script of Caleb Williams performing at a
high level. That's what i'd like, that's what I'd like
to see, and so listen. It is like I'll give
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you an example like Bryce Young last year, at the
end of the year, Bryce Young played pretty pretty well.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
Now it doesn't mean he was winning.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
In Week one, Bryce got beat by Jacksonville, but if
you went to the PFF rankings, Bryce Young's were pretty decent.
PFF's like, NOI grades higher than the result. The problem
is off script, Caleb grades worse than your gut feeling,
your hunch. When you go look at all the it's
it's worse. So there's there's there's not a lot there.
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You know, this this league. If you go look at
the greatest plays by Brady and Peyton, Manning and Breeze,
they are not highlight plays.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
They're really not. They're mostly timing routes.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
I mean, now, Tom had a couple over the top
throws one against the Jets the Randy Muss, But most
of Tom, Manning, and Breeze, most of their great moments
were timing stuff.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
A perfectly thrown ball.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
In the seam to beat the safety by a half step.
That's where the highlights are. So now, now Mahomes is
a little bit of the same. He's got some of that,
and he's got some great plays, but it's there's there's
not a lot to wrap your arms around. Usually as
a coach you're looking for stuff to wrap your arm
around and say, Okay, here's what we do. Well, there's
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not a lot.
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Speaker 1 (13:14):
And with that, twenty three years seven times Super Bowl
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always it's great to see how are things.
Speaker 11 (13:23):
Let's have calling NFL season Week two, let's go.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
You know, I was saying about JJ McCarthy, let's start.
You're a Michigan guy. Is that he's got a little
Baker Mayfield. I thought you were a guy like when
I think emotional players, Baker's a guy that when Baker
gets into a run, his chest puffs out, his velocity increases,
his accuracy increases, he wears his emotions on his sleeve.
(13:50):
I don't feel that with you. I didn't feel that.
I don't think Michael Pennix is that. But when I
watched JJ fourth quarter hits justin Jefferson on the sideline Tom.
Speaker 4 (13:59):
It was like, I gave him be twelve shot, he
puffed out three. And it's take me through that about
how emotion.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Affected you positively or negative, Because I think JJ is
an emotional player.
Speaker 11 (14:14):
I absolutely love it when I see that type of emotion.
I think it brings you to kind of higher level
of focus. Stands in there, takes a hit, makes a
great throw, and that game is all about emotional being
at kind of a feverish and feverish pitch but also controlled.
And I could get there emotionally in a way that
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probably didn't look like it on my face. I think
JJ just expresses that a little bit more. I always think, like,
watch golf a lot, and I see these golfers hit
these holden ones and they like fit their cap and
they're like, and I'm like, man.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
I'd be going crazy.
Speaker 11 (14:56):
And I love Ryder Cup style golfer guys are fist pumping,
and I just think that emotion when you're electrified as
a player, you play with the most focused, the most anticipation.
Everything ends up being at the highest sense of kind
of the alertness.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
So I love that aspect of his game. You know,
he's just got to keep that.
Speaker 11 (15:19):
Going for a long time that I believe is part
of your conditioning and that ability to elevate your teammates
as well in those big moments. And I love seeing
that from a Michigan man.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
So we all know during your dynasty there were some
things we could bank on. Belichick's defensive coaching, your efficiency.
You guys always had a better than average run game.
Lost in a lot of your success. The two winning
his teams the last twenty five years have been Green
Bay and your team's why Well, why is that? And
I would argue this offensive line play. The Packers almost
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never have a bad online and because of Dante Scarnecci,
you didn't. So Mahomes now is in a difference situation.
He has now been blown out twice in Super Bowls,
once by you because of deterioration of O line play.
So their tackles Tom in Week one grated incredibly poorly.
So you didn't have a lot of that deterioration. But
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go to games in which I remember that Giant Super Bowl.
The first play of the game, I was with a
friend and the Giants rushed through and I said, was it?
Tom's in trouble? They lost all four battles up front
when the offensive line is deteriorating, go to your career.
What does it do for a great quarterback?
Speaker 11 (16:38):
Well, I always say you control the line of scrimmage,
you control the game. So when you control both sides
of the line of scrimmage, you have a huge opportunity
for success. And it takes someone like Patrick Mahomes to
kind of have that Mahomes magic and pull the rabbit
out of his hat in order to keep his team
in the game. And he's had a lot of unique
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offensive line combinations Patrick has.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
They've been trying to find.
Speaker 11 (17:04):
A left hackle at that position for a long time
in that offense, and it's a challenge because it affects
the way the quarterback feels like, can I really sit
back there and do I trust my teammates up front
to be able to protect me long enough so that
I could see down the field to read the coverage
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and then make a very decisive, accurate throw. So he's
got to find a way to overcome that, and he
has in so many ways. In Patrick had even though
despite his stats being down a little bit last year,
I still think he had an incredible season. They won
fifteen games, and you see that throw on the run
right there. There's only a few guys that could make
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that throw. Patrick's one of them, and he is so
poised back there. And I think they're actually with, you know,
thinking about that offensive line with the rookie Simmons, with
Sue Mattie who's in there as a second around pick
from last year, Create Humphrey there and Tray Smith at
right guard, They're set up to have a pretty good
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offensive line as they gel and grow together.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
So that would be great for Patrick to.
Speaker 11 (18:14):
Feel like he has some confidence to stand back there
because the Super Bowl look so much of that game
ended up being can we block the Eagles defensive front?
And that Eagles defensive front played their tail off that game,
and really.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
The Chiefs had no chance when they were rushing that well.
I remember years ago, I've referenced this several times. You
were talking to Jay Glazer and it was I think
it was after a practice because everybody else was clear,
and you said you were still.
Speaker 4 (18:42):
In New England.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
You said, you know, Jay, I've seen every coverage. You
can beat me, but you're not going to fool me.
I've seen everyone, and you've been very vocal about the
pre snap operational side has deteriorated. Is there a quarterback though,
right now in the league that you look at a
pre snap and you're like, yeah, you can see it.
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I can see he's operating at a different level. Is
there one or two guys and I would imagine they're
older that you look and you can tell from he movement,
you can tell from the directions that you can tell
pre snap or elite.
Speaker 11 (19:16):
Well, Matt Stafford just jumps to the top of my mind,
and I'll tell you why. When you see someone do
these no look passes like he did last week, he
knows where the defense is going to be aligned, so
he knows okay, he sees a certain coverage, he knows
the high low combination that's going to work against that coverage.
So he stares at the load defender, draws the coverage
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to the load defender, stares at the load defender, and
then throws it to the higher receiver in the combination.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
So that is an elite.
Speaker 11 (19:44):
Level of play in his ability to recognize defenses and
then make those type of throws.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
So he's the one. And again, he's a veteran quarterback.
Speaker 11 (19:55):
He's played a lot of football I think Patrick really
understands the games and nations like that as well.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
But you're right, there's just not a lot.
Speaker 11 (20:04):
There's a lot more I would say physical development happening
happening at a younger age, but less I would say
mental emotional development from quarterbacks. And you know, I had
a chance to talk to Andy Reid about that. I
had a chance to talk to Patrick Mahomes about that
this week. One of the they said, Look, Patrick flat
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out said, I can't thank Alex Smith enough for everything
that he did for me. All I did was ask
him questions in the meeting room my first year. And
I look at my first year, that's all I did.
With Drew Bledsoe, Aaron Rodgers had three years to sit
behind Brett farv Eli Manning.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
Sat behind Kurt Warner. There's a lot of guys.
Speaker 11 (20:46):
And I would say a lot of successful players that
weren't kind of thrown into the fire because what happens
is you can lose your confidence so fast because when
when the real games are happening, the blitzes are coming,
and then you don't understand protection and you don't understand coverage,
and you start taking hits and you start throwing interceptions.
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You begin to lose confidence that, hey, I don't even
know how to play football. I don't know how to
go down and lead our team to score points. I
can't even make and complete a pass. So if you're
sitting in the meeting room and learning, I actually think
that's the best way to learn, because you can understand
it on the board, you can understand it on the
video screen, you can go out to a walkthrough, and
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then you can learn and practice by making a lot
of you know, good decisions, bad decisions without necessarily being
critique from the outside world and lose it. You know, Look,
you got PFF grade in you every week, like you
were just referencing there before I came on. They're grading you,
and now you go as a first year quarterback you
barely know and now everyone's telling you suck, and it
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takes a while to regain your confidence. You lose your
whole fan base, and it's it's really unfortunate, but that's
that's very much the state of the league. And I
think we've dumbed down the game in so many ways
to allow for a less or caliber developed player to
get in there and lead an organization.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
So you know, I always had this theory that quarterbacking
should be easier. Now you have personal coaching seven on
seven camps. I mean, guys like you and Drew Bledsoe
and Troy Aikman have told me like I literally had, like,
you know, eight high school games a year.
Speaker 4 (22:23):
You know, you're like I had forty starts, including high school.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
Well, guys now have ten thousand snaps by the time
they're fourteen years old. So I've always said as a
sports commentator, I used to give guys three years. My
argument now is Thanksgiving year two, the GM, the coach,
the coordinator need to go upstairs in a room privately,
raise their hands yes or no. And I don't care
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where you drafted him. I would give Caleb eleven more weeks.
Caleb Williams, let's go upstairs. Is that fair? I know
it sounds kind of harsh, but Thanksgiving year two. I
believe quarterbacks if they're if they the operations aren't there,
he's not the guy.
Speaker 4 (23:08):
Is that too soon?
Speaker 3 (23:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 11 (23:10):
But I would argue this, you're assuming that everybody knows
how to develop a quarterback. You're assuming that you're going
into a program.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
I mean, I'm telling you this is not.
Speaker 11 (23:20):
There's a lot of people who have no idea what
they're doing when they're tasked with coaching a quarterback or
calling an offense. So are you saying, I mean, just
like we'd rank quarterbacks one to thirty two, do you
rank offensive coordinators one to thirty two? Do you rank
quarterback coaches one to thirty two? Well, what if you
had the thirty second ranked coordinator in someone's mind with
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the thirty second ranked quarterback coach, how is he getting
a level of development that the guy who's first is getting.
When I got to the Patriots, I sat behind Drew
who was a franchise quarterback.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
Right in my second year.
Speaker 11 (23:58):
It's training camp, and we had a very good quarterback
coach named Dick Rayvine.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
And God rest his soul.
Speaker 11 (24:04):
Unfortunately he passed away in training camp and of a
heart attack, and it was a very difficult loss for
our team. And the way that we found a way
to continue on that season is Bill Belichick became more
of a quarterback coach than we ever imagine him being
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a quarterback coach. He was a defensive He was obviously
a head coach, very involved in defensive game planning, but
he decided to come in every week and talk to
the quarterbacks about coverage.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
All right, guys, and he would do these.
Speaker 11 (24:38):
Big write ups and they still have MOLL because I
kept everything com This is Cover one. This is how
they play it. This is who we're responsible for who. Okay,
if we line up in a bunch formation, this is
how they're going to handle the bunch formation.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
This is why they do that. This is the weakness
of that, why they do that. You shouldn't do this
if this is how they cover this. Okay, this is
Cover two. This is how they cover.
Speaker 11 (24:59):
This is the they play two variations of Cover two
when they're in this variation. Is what they're treund's up
when they're in this various This is what they're trunds up. Okay,
this is Cover four. This is how this team uniquely
plays couple four. We shouldn't line up in this formation
to try to run this concept for one year. I
had for actually more years beyond that. That's how I
developed and learned. Oh defense calls a certain play. This
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is how we can We can put them in this
formation and they can back the coverage off and I'll
have a short thrown reason. Oh great, I love that.
Let's do that. Nobody is getting that type of development.
So I learned from an offensive standpoint, watching Drew and
having very good offensive coaches. Then I had a defensive coach,
the best one of all time, teach me how to
read defenses, you know. Then I would go out and
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meet with player personnel, people you know, who are very talented. Okay,
we go through the entire defensive lineup. Okay, these are
all the things that this defense does. This is what
this player does well. This player does well, this player
does well. That's development. You're giving people knowledge and information
that you could take to the field so that you
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could play with confidence and anticipation, and that would free
you up to play a very aggressive style of football.
So I'm saying, what if you're a quarterback, then you
go to a system and they don't teach you coverage.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
They don't teach you cover one, they don't teach you cover.
Speaker 11 (26:19):
Two, they don't teach you cover four, they don't have
personnel meanings. They give you an offensive game plan and
they go all right, but here you go figure it out,
and after Thanksgiving of your second year, they're going, man,
this guy just can't play anymore.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
He stinks.
Speaker 11 (26:31):
He you know, he can't recover. It's like, dude, would
did you teach him anything? Did you groom him? Did
you spend time after practice? Did you work on the
physical parts of his game? Did you work on his
throwing mechanics? Did you work on his drops? Did you
work on the mental parts of a game? Did you
understand how to help him study film better? So all
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these aspects physical part about football. The physical part is
one aspect I got was one hundred and ninety nine
pick in the draft because so many people were focused
on a physical skill. Tom Brady two week couldn't stand
in the pocket, you know, is if he gets hit,
he's going to go down. You know, lacks are really
strong arm. That was kind of bull. But what I
(27:14):
really understood the mental emotional part. I could bring a consistent, competitive,
winning attitude to the to the game every day, or
to practice and the games every single week. Mentally, I
could absorb information you could give me, just like Belichick did,
pages of notes, and I could process those things and
then take them to the field and play with the anticipation.
(27:34):
So what I lacked for maybe in a bit of
physical development, I far exceeded a lot of other people
in mental emotional development, and that's a hard thing to evaluate.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
But I'd also say.
Speaker 11 (27:45):
There's not many people who even know what to do.
You know, it's not like they're CEOs of businesses. And
a lot of times they're football coaches, with all due respect,
they're not running large corporations. You know, as Bill Parcel said,
you know, they're pe coaches. A lot of times they
get elevated to you.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
Know, coaching positions.
Speaker 4 (28:06):
You know, it's it's funny.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
I said.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
The I thought Jaden Daniels last year, not because he
can move or he has a nice arm. It was
the best rookie quarterback I'd ever seen in terms of poise.
Two minute drill that had to play now. Mahomes was great,
but he got to sit behind you know, Alex Smith,
who's the great, the great teacher, but I mean drafted
play now go. And I was thinking about this and
(28:30):
the thing that blew me away with him and Kingsbury
was saying this in camp, and I remember being on
their saying, Cliff slowed down, you're raising the bike. Cliff's like,
I can't believe this kid, And I'm like, guys, he's
a rookie, bring it down his poise And you.
Speaker 4 (28:46):
Know what I think about this is crazy.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
You had this at a very early age, your first
year starting right replacing Drew.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
Is it parenting?
Speaker 3 (28:55):
Like?
Speaker 4 (28:55):
I think it's innate that sometimes.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
Have right like And I watched Jayden and I'm gonna
look his parents up.
Speaker 4 (29:02):
What did his parents do? He was so.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
Cool and calm. I don't think you can teach that.
I'm watching him in week three there's a buck twenty
on the clock, no facial expression.
Speaker 4 (29:12):
I'm like, Okay, that's not that's from home. That's from something.
I believe.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
The one thing you can't teach nobody can teach it
is you are either calm in crisis or you're not that.
If you're anxious in a teeth clencher, it never goes away.
No matter how good you can, you can get explain
that you had it?
Speaker 4 (29:35):
Jaden had it? Did you learn it? Did you have
it when you were twelve?
Speaker 3 (29:40):
Yeah?
Speaker 11 (29:40):
There's poise and composure in big moments that I do
think separates kind of elite performers. And I would say
it's probably a high sense of self confidence in big situations.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
You see that with Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 11 (29:53):
I think he's probably one of my favorite ones in
the NFL right.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
For a lot of reasons.
Speaker 11 (29:57):
But you see his face in big moments, it just
doesn't seem it's a big moment for everybody else except him.
And the difference is he actually looks more focused and
more urgent and more.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
Ready to go.
Speaker 11 (30:11):
And you know, you, you, you know, you just he's
just so laser focused. And there's some guys that play
like that, and there's others that look a little bit phrenetic.
I mean tiger woods, like tiger woods look like that
in golf. The bigger the moment, you know, the more
determined he looked. That's probably the right word. And there's
certain people who have I would say, no fear of failure,
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and that allows you, that frees you up to go
out and be your best because people that fear of failure,
well then that means they're trying to control it. And
when you feel that lack of control or lack of confidence,
well people can see it on your face.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
A lot of times, you could see it in the
eyes of the quarterback.
Speaker 11 (30:49):
So you know, Jaden is very impressive and everything that
he's done, certainly his last year was one of the
great rookie seasons of any young quarterback.
Speaker 3 (30:59):
And again, you know we had.
Speaker 11 (31:00):
Him last week, we had Commanders, Giants. I'm always looking
for Okay, that's great. What's the next step in development?
And then the next step and the next step and
the next step. And you know, from the time that
you start to the time you finished, they're just continues.
There needs to be an upward trajectory every single year
based on all the things that you experience, and so
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a lot of things that happen physically, mentally, emotionally over
the course of a career life on the field off
the field that you need to be able to grow
with as you get a little bit older and you
continue to develop.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
All right, big game this weekend ratings are up, Tom,
you sounded great. You sounded comfortable, and uh, congratulations and
all that stuff.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
Hey, good start for everybody. You know what it is.
I got the best team in the world.
Speaker 11 (31:47):
I got the best partner Kevin Burkhardt next to me,
Aaron and Tom on the field, Zee and Rus down
in the truck along with everybody else. And I love
my team at Fox. I know we're just going to
keep getting better. We're going to stay humble, We're going
to stay hungry. We're just going to keep working as
hard as we can to show up for one another
and try to provide the viewer with the best possible experience.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
And this week America's Game of the Week four.
Speaker 11 (32:10):
Five Sunday Eagles at chief couldn't get.
Speaker 3 (32:14):
A better game? Super Bowl rematch. I am fired up,
and it's Thursday afternoon.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
Let's go, Tom Brady LFG, let's go. I'll leave the
FLT the two.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
Let's go.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
All right, thanks buddy, that's right, all right, Tom Brady,
he's all fired up.
Speaker 4 (32:31):
That was Tom Brady. You got a little Tom Brady
as if he was in the huddle.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
Chiefs are a home dog for the second time ever
with Patrick Mahomes as a starting quarterback.
Speaker 4 (32:43):
What would be the first?
Speaker 1 (32:44):
Was it when Brady went there and beat him in
the possibly listen to Buffalo?
Speaker 4 (32:48):
Maybe the Buffalo?
Speaker 1 (32:49):
Is it when Buffalo they beat Buffalo the thirteen second game?
Was Buffalo favored in that one?
Speaker 4 (32:54):
So Colin, I think I've been here. Is this your three?
Speaker 5 (32:57):
I don't know whatever it is, three or four on
this show? I think that may be the single greatest interview.
I'm like taking notes, like he said some unbelievable stuff,
specifically about quarterbacks that.
Speaker 4 (33:09):
You and I should be talking about out air. I
love that Tom. I was amazing. I mean, you know
this incredible stuff.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
The only other instance it was, oh okay, it was
week six and twenty twenty two.
Speaker 4 (33:21):
It was not the playoff game.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
It was weeks six Bills a bad success against Kansas City,
just not in January, so it was week six they
beat him, and over the last four seasons, the Eagles
and the Chiefs are tied for the best record in
the NFL. I like Philadelphia by a touchdown or more.
I think Philadelphia. If you lined up twelve best player
in the game, I think nine are Eagles. Now I
get Andy Reid, I get Arrowhead, and I also get
(33:45):
a Chiefs team off a loss, so they're going to
be salty, so that it's gonna be somewhat close. But
a boy, in terms of roster composition, if Xavier Worthy
can play, that helps.
Speaker 4 (33:58):
There's a report now that Worthy may.
Speaker 5 (34:01):
Be at practice today with his teammates. That'sally just emerging
right now. But I can't expect him to play. Come on,
it's a it's a long game. You don't want him
to play in week two. Come on, Tom Brady. Nobody
else like him, even on our show.
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Speaker 3 (00:27):
On the news.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
This is the Herdline News.
Speaker 4 (00:31):
It's the game of the week on Fox.
Speaker 5 (00:32):
Collins Sunday Eagles Chiefs Super.
Speaker 4 (00:36):
Bowl rematch the Kansas City.
Speaker 5 (00:38):
Chiefs reeling looking to avoid a zero and two start.
Mahomes was terrible, rotten, awful in the Super Bowl, got
roughed up, Philly blew him out. Mahomes is now discussing
how the Eagles were able to slow him down back
in February.
Speaker 6 (00:53):
To progress and to be better next time, you have
to watch it and learn from it. And so I
don't know the exact amount of times where you watch it,
and you watch it in the offseason with the team
and with the coaches, and then you watch it obviously
this week as well. And so they had a great
game plan, they played hard and did a great job
of disrupting my timing, and so I have to learn
from that, find ways to get the ball out of
(01:14):
my hand and then when the opportunities are there. I
think that's something I didn't miss early in the game,
as there was opportunities to make plays, and you got
to make those plays because if you don't, they're not
going to allow those opportunities. Again.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
Yeah, I think this could get ugly. I think Philadelphia.
I think Philadelphia roles.
Speaker 5 (01:30):
Well, you remember one of us called the Super Bowl accurately,
and oh, by the way, in case your curious audience,
Pro Football Focus graded out the tackles of the Chiefs
and this is just from Week one against the Chargers,
who had Khalil Mack and the mediocre pass for US Josh.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
Simmons the rookie fifty sixth.
Speaker 5 (01:48):
Out of sixty five tackles and Jawan Taylor, who's terrible,
grated out his fifty seven both not very good. That
was the problem in the Super Bowl. I think the
Eagles get after him again, and I'm with you. I
like Philip Delphia to go into Arrowhead. Send the Chiefs
your Chiefs, sorry, Knicks, Chiefs to oh and two. Next
next story, Colin is JJ McCarthy. Boy, what a comeback
(02:11):
On Monday Night football went off in the fourth quarter
three touchdowns, big comeback.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
During his press conference yesterday, McCarthy.
Speaker 5 (02:18):
Talked about how his persona changes when he steps on
the field.
Speaker 7 (02:23):
Carell Yeah, for sure. Yeah, it is real when you know,
I'm ready to go to war on Sundays, Mondays and
Thursdays and you know sometimes Saturdays and third and Wednesdays. Yeah,
but uh yeah, it's really just like a flip that
switched and you know, the rest take care of itself
from there.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (02:45):
Kind of like kind of like us when we walk
into the studio, it's like a different J Mac. It's like, Oh,
he's locked in, he's ready to go. I like what
I saw for McCarthy.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Collins.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
Final story Travis Hunter.
Speaker 5 (02:56):
He made his NFL debut in Week one, didn't have
a huge huge impact, did catch six passes for thirty
three yards, and defensively, Hunter made a tackle. He ended
up playing forty two offensive snaps just six on defense,
but head coach Liam Cohen said he's gonna be playing
a little more defense this weekend against the Bungles.
Speaker 8 (03:16):
Going in a Week one it was okay we'll probably
we know that it's not going to be a ton
on defense. The goal is to increase and continue to increase.
It just so happens that we're playing Cincinnati with two
good white House this week.
Speaker 5 (03:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
I like Cincinnati definitely. I get the better quarterback at home.
Speaker 5 (03:38):
Yeah, a bit of a cop out. Give me the
over in this one. I think we're gonna see points
and offense at Bengals defense. I mean Joe Flacco moved
the ball at will Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
Yeah, I agreed.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
Flaco wasn't bad at all.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
No.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
Jmack with the news.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Well, that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
Herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Tom Brady, it's going to be joining us on the
other side. Good day today, Greg Cosel, Diana Russini, and
Tom Brady around the corner. That's next, It's the Hurd.
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Speaker 5 (05:02):
Bro Saquon leads to defending champion Eagles against Patrick Mahomes
and the Chiefs America's Game of the Week Sunday for
Eastern on Fox.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
I mean he had a lot of big stars in
that game.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Unfortunately, right now, if you listed the top ten to
twelve players, I think it would be eight. I mean,
obviously Chris Jones and Patrick Mahomes would be in there,
but I just think there's a preponderance and the dominance
the Philadelphia's roster. I mean, do top of your head
ten best players in that game. I mean you could
take three offensive line with the Eagles alone. Jalen Carter
would be in there. Saquon Barkley's in there, Jalen Hurts
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is probably in there. I mean it's right now Philadelphia's roster.
There's not a lot of holes. Jalen Carter returns, so
the Cowboys had some success running the ball. I doubt
they have as much success as the Cowboys had with
Jalen Carter returning. And I also think this week we've
had really good standalone games in the NFL, so the
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Bears and the Vikings. The more it gets examined by
people I respect, the more disheartening it is for Chicago.
And Tom Brady's talked about this before. So much of
being a quarterback in the NFL is pre snap so
much as operations. So I mean, it really is. It's
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the foundation of the house. Forget about the snazzy kitchen.
You gotta get the foundation right. And Greg Cosel earlier
today did not mince words on what the film said
about Caleb's Week one performance.
Speaker 10 (06:39):
He's got things that need to be clearly worked on.
I'm sure they're working on them. There's too many what
we call turndowns throws that are there that he does
not make. And in any given week, Colin and you
know this can he make special plays because he has
a great arm and throws a beautiful ball, although he
missed a lot of throws with poor accuracy in this game.
(07:00):
But he has a beautiful arm, and he's obviously very
mobile and can make plays outside of structure. But that's
not the way you can live in the NFL, as
you know, week to week.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
Yeah, if you take off the first ten passes, he
was ten for ten.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
That's on script, and.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
That's impressive right against Brian Flores. But if you take
away the first ten passes and offensive coaches loved the
script those to first ten, twelve, fifteen plays, it was
pretty meager.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
It was pretty bad.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
And then the issues for Caleb seem harder to correct.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
Footwork pre snap penalties.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Leads the league last eighteen games by forty eight percent
on balls overthrown. JJ McCarthy's issues were in game much
easier to correct, which were kind of lack of confidence,
you know they were. It was a pretty protective game plan,
and so when Greg Hossel looked at JJ McCarthy on
(08:07):
his performance, here's what he saw.
Speaker 10 (08:10):
When a coordinator calls a play and the primary receiver
is open and the play breaks down, the defense the
way you anticipate when you make the play call and
the quarterback execcutes it, which is what you want. By
the way, that's what every coordinator wants. Where do we
give the credit? JJ McCarthy will reap the benefits of
Kevin O'Connell being one of the best in the league
(08:31):
at being able to do this.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
And I think my general takeaway is Caleb Williams was
at his best on script. JJ McCarthy was at his
best the last three drives mostly off script, right, So
like that, the further you get away from leaning on
coaching it being a little bit of a crutch because
I don't know what the percentages are, but I wouldn't
(08:55):
be surprised if the highest percentage of scoring in the
NFL is on first drives. I mean, that's the stuff
because sixty five percent of winners in the NFL the
first team to score. So you know, your coaches you
want to take an early lead. On average, sixty sixty
five percent of winners in the NFL lead a game,
(09:15):
So that first drive is you know, it's really important
to trail going into a fourth quarter as a road
team and then to win convincingly just doesn't happen a lot,
and it usually takes a pretty special level of quarterback.
And I was talking to Jake Butt, former Michigan tight
end before the show started today. He works with the
(09:37):
Big Ten Network, and I just bumped into him in
the hallway here and he said, you know, that's that
is the thing with JJ McCarthy, because Jake went to
Michigan McCarthy a Wolverine, is that he always sort of
had that confidence. Is that he was just always a
guy that believed in himself and Harbaugh believed in him.
And his reputation was he was a gamer, like he
(09:58):
played his back when he had to play his best,
and that's what he did.
Speaker 4 (10:04):
So so much.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
Of quarterback play is how do you play on the road,
how do you play trailing? How do you play now?
He did have the advantage of a pretty substantial run
effort of the Vikings, so that's some of it. But
I mean, listen, it's it's it is not how you
start in this league, it is how you finished.
Speaker 4 (10:22):
That's what we remember. And so.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
My gut feeling is JJ McCarthy will look much more
like the fourth quarter JJ than the first quarter. I mean,
that's what I'm going to go off of you know,
any good quarterback can go on script, but the special
guys are good off script. And so that's what's disturbing
about Caleb Williams. He leads the NFL the last eighteen games,
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and overthrows the operations are a problem. Pre Snap's he
completed sixty five percent of his throws, are slightly less
on the layoffs, on the stuff six yards and under.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
So you're like, what is he good at the layups? Overthrows?
Speaker 1 (11:01):
So he's got you know, he's got a ton of horsepower,
but I mean there's listen, the more you start breaking
down the stats on Caleb Williams, the more discouraging it is.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
There's not a lot.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
It really reminded me of a less refined Cam Newton.
Cam had his moment I never felt like I never
I didn't love Cam's mechanics and he was always a
bit distracted.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
But Cam could get on heaters with accuracy. Cam could have.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
You know, he could have a four game stretch where
Cam was really humming, really feeling it. I would just
like to see, you know, I would like to see
a half off script of Caleb Williams performing at a
high level. That's what i'd like, that's what I'd like
to see, and so listen. It is like I'll give
(11:50):
you an example like Bryce Young last year, at the
end of the year, Bryce Young played pretty pretty well.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
Now it doesn't mean he was winning.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
In Week one, Bryce got beat by Jacksonville, but if
you went to the PFF rankings, Bryce Young's were pretty decent.
PFF's like, NOI grades higher than the result. The problem
is off script, Caleb grades worse than your gut feeling,
your hunch. When you go look at all the it's
it's worse. So there's there's there's not a lot there.
(12:21):
You know, this this league. If you go look at
the greatest plays by Brady and Peyton, Manning and Breeze,
they are not highlight plays.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
They're really not. They're mostly timing routes.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
I mean, now, Tom had a couple over the top
throws one against the Jets the Randy Muss, But most
of Tom, Manning, and Breeze, most of their great moments
were timing stuff.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
A perfectly thrown ball.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
In the seam to beat the safety by a half step.
That's where the highlights are. So now, now Mahomes is
a little bit of the same. He's got some of that,
and he's got some great plays, but it's there's there's
not a lot to wrap your arms around. Usually as
a coach you're looking for stuff to wrap your arm
around and say, Okay, here's what we do. Well, there's
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not a lot.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
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Speaker 1 (13:14):
And with that, twenty three years seven times Super Bowl
champ Tom Brady is now joining us live. Tom has
always it's great to see how are things.
Speaker 11 (13:23):
Let's have calling NFL season Week two, let's go.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
You know, I was saying about JJ McCarthy, let's start.
You're a Michigan guy. Is that he's got a little
Baker Mayfield. I thought you were a guy like when
I think emotional players, Baker's a guy that when Baker
gets into a run, his chest puffs out, his velocity increases,
his accuracy increases, he wears his emotions on his sleeve.
(13:50):
I don't feel that with you. I didn't feel that.
I don't think Michael Pennix is that. But when I
watched JJ fourth quarter hits justin Jefferson on the sideline Tom.
Speaker 4 (13:59):
It was like, I gave him be twelve shot, he
puffed out three. And it's take me through that about
how emotion.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Affected you positively or negative, Because I think JJ is
an emotional player.
Speaker 11 (14:14):
I absolutely love it when I see that type of emotion.
I think it brings you to kind of higher level
of focus. Stands in there, takes a hit, makes a
great throw, and that game is all about emotional being
at kind of a feverish and feverish pitch but also controlled.
And I could get there emotionally in a way that
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probably didn't look like it on my face. I think
JJ just expresses that a little bit more. I always think, like,
watch golf a lot, and I see these golfers hit
these holden ones and they like fit their cap and
they're like, and I'm like, man.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
I'd be going crazy.
Speaker 11 (14:56):
And I love Ryder Cup style golfer guys are fist pumping,
and I just think that emotion when you're electrified as
a player, you play with the most focused, the most anticipation.
Everything ends up being at the highest sense of kind
of the alertness.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
So I love that aspect of his game. You know,
he's just got to keep that.
Speaker 11 (15:19):
Going for a long time that I believe is part
of your conditioning and that ability to elevate your teammates
as well in those big moments. And I love seeing
that from a Michigan man.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
So we all know during your dynasty there were some
things we could bank on. Belichick's defensive coaching, your efficiency.
You guys always had a better than average run game.
Lost in a lot of your success. The two winning
his teams the last twenty five years have been Green
Bay and your team's why Well, why is that? And
I would argue this offensive line play. The Packers almost
(15:54):
never have a bad online and because of Dante Scarnecci,
you didn't. So Mahomes now is in a difference situation.
He has now been blown out twice in Super Bowls,
once by you because of deterioration of O line play.
So their tackles Tom in Week one grated incredibly poorly.
So you didn't have a lot of that deterioration. But
(16:17):
go to games in which I remember that Giant Super Bowl.
The first play of the game, I was with a
friend and the Giants rushed through and I said, was it?
Tom's in trouble? They lost all four battles up front
when the offensive line is deteriorating, go to your career.
What does it do for a great quarterback?
Speaker 11 (16:38):
Well, I always say you control the line of scrimmage,
you control the game. So when you control both sides
of the line of scrimmage, you have a huge opportunity
for success. And it takes someone like Patrick Mahomes to
kind of have that Mahomes magic and pull the rabbit
out of his hat in order to keep his team
in the game. And he's had a lot of unique
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offensive line combinations Patrick has.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
They've been trying to find.
Speaker 11 (17:04):
A left hackle at that position for a long time
in that offense, and it's a challenge because it affects
the way the quarterback feels like, can I really sit
back there and do I trust my teammates up front
to be able to protect me long enough so that
I could see down the field to read the coverage
(17:26):
and then make a very decisive, accurate throw. So he's
got to find a way to overcome that, and he
has in so many ways. In Patrick had even though
despite his stats being down a little bit last year,
I still think he had an incredible season. They won
fifteen games, and you see that throw on the run
right there. There's only a few guys that could make
(17:48):
that throw. Patrick's one of them, and he is so
poised back there. And I think they're actually with, you know,
thinking about that offensive line with the rookie Simmons, with
Sue Mattie who's in there as a second around pick
from last year, Create Humphrey there and Tray Smith at
right guard, They're set up to have a pretty good
(18:10):
offensive line as they gel and grow together.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
So that would be great for Patrick to.
Speaker 11 (18:14):
Feel like he has some confidence to stand back there
because the Super Bowl look so much of that game
ended up being can we block the Eagles defensive front?
And that Eagles defensive front played their tail off that game,
and really.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
The Chiefs had no chance when they were rushing that well.
I remember years ago, I've referenced this several times. You
were talking to Jay Glazer and it was I think
it was after a practice because everybody else was clear,
and you said you were still.
Speaker 4 (18:42):
In New England.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
You said, you know, Jay, I've seen every coverage. You
can beat me, but you're not going to fool me.
I've seen everyone, and you've been very vocal about the
pre snap operational side has deteriorated. Is there a quarterback though,
right now in the league that you look at a
pre snap and you're like, yeah, you can see it.
(19:03):
I can see he's operating at a different level. Is
there one or two guys and I would imagine they're
older that you look and you can tell from he movement,
you can tell from the directions that you can tell
pre snap or elite.
Speaker 11 (19:16):
Well, Matt Stafford just jumps to the top of my mind,
and I'll tell you why. When you see someone do
these no look passes like he did last week, he
knows where the defense is going to be aligned, so
he knows okay, he sees a certain coverage, he knows
the high low combination that's going to work against that coverage.
So he stares at the load defender, draws the coverage
(19:37):
to the load defender, stares at the load defender, and
then throws it to the higher receiver in the combination.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
So that is an elite.
Speaker 11 (19:44):
Level of play in his ability to recognize defenses and
then make those type of throws.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
So he's the one. And again, he's a veteran quarterback.
Speaker 11 (19:55):
He's played a lot of football I think Patrick really
understands the games and nations like that as well.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
But you're right, there's just not a lot.
Speaker 11 (20:04):
There's a lot more I would say physical development happening
happening at a younger age, but less I would say
mental emotional development from quarterbacks. And you know, I had
a chance to talk to Andy Reid about that. I
had a chance to talk to Patrick Mahomes about that
this week. One of the they said, Look, Patrick flat
(20:24):
out said, I can't thank Alex Smith enough for everything
that he did for me. All I did was ask
him questions in the meeting room my first year. And
I look at my first year, that's all I did.
With Drew Bledsoe, Aaron Rodgers had three years to sit
behind Brett farv Eli Manning.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
Sat behind Kurt Warner. There's a lot of guys.
Speaker 11 (20:46):
And I would say a lot of successful players that
weren't kind of thrown into the fire because what happens
is you can lose your confidence so fast because when
when the real games are happening, the blitzes are coming,
and then you don't understand protection and you don't understand coverage,
and you start taking hits and you start throwing interceptions.
(21:07):
You begin to lose confidence that, hey, I don't even
know how to play football. I don't know how to
go down and lead our team to score points. I
can't even make and complete a pass. So if you're
sitting in the meeting room and learning, I actually think
that's the best way to learn, because you can understand
it on the board, you can understand it on the
video screen, you can go out to a walkthrough, and
(21:27):
then you can learn and practice by making a lot
of you know, good decisions, bad decisions without necessarily being
critique from the outside world and lose it. You know, Look,
you got PFF grade in you every week, like you
were just referencing there before I came on. They're grading you,
and now you go as a first year quarterback you
barely know and now everyone's telling you suck, and it
(21:47):
takes a while to regain your confidence. You lose your
whole fan base, and it's it's really unfortunate, but that's
that's very much the state of the league. And I
think we've dumbed down the game in so many ways
to allow for a less or caliber developed player to
get in there and lead an organization.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
So you know, I always had this theory that quarterbacking
should be easier. Now you have personal coaching seven on
seven camps. I mean, guys like you and Drew Bledsoe
and Troy Aikman have told me like I literally had, like,
you know, eight high school games a year.
Speaker 4 (22:23):
You know, you're like I had forty starts, including high school.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
Well, guys now have ten thousand snaps by the time
they're fourteen years old. So I've always said as a
sports commentator, I used to give guys three years. My
argument now is Thanksgiving year two, the GM, the coach,
the coordinator need to go upstairs in a room privately,
raise their hands yes or no. And I don't care
(22:49):
where you drafted him. I would give Caleb eleven more weeks.
Caleb Williams, let's go upstairs. Is that fair? I know
it sounds kind of harsh, but Thanksgiving year two. I
believe quarterbacks if they're if they the operations aren't there,
he's not the guy.
Speaker 4 (23:08):
Is that too soon?
Speaker 3 (23:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 11 (23:10):
But I would argue this, you're assuming that everybody knows
how to develop a quarterback. You're assuming that you're going
into a program.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
I mean, I'm telling you this is not.
Speaker 11 (23:20):
There's a lot of people who have no idea what
they're doing when they're tasked with coaching a quarterback or
calling an offense. So are you saying, I mean, just
like we'd rank quarterbacks one to thirty two, do you
rank offensive coordinators one to thirty two? Do you rank
quarterback coaches one to thirty two? Well, what if you
had the thirty second ranked coordinator in someone's mind with
(23:41):
the thirty second ranked quarterback coach, how is he getting
a level of development that the guy who's first is getting.
When I got to the Patriots, I sat behind Drew
who was a franchise quarterback.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
Right in my second year.
Speaker 11 (23:58):
It's training camp, and we had a very good quarterback
coach named Dick Rayvine.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
And God rest his soul.
Speaker 11 (24:04):
Unfortunately he passed away in training camp and of a
heart attack, and it was a very difficult loss for
our team. And the way that we found a way
to continue on that season is Bill Belichick became more
of a quarterback coach than we ever imagine him being
(24:24):
a quarterback coach. He was a defensive He was obviously
a head coach, very involved in defensive game planning, but
he decided to come in every week and talk to
the quarterbacks about coverage.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
All right, guys, and he would do these.
Speaker 11 (24:38):
Big write ups and they still have MOLL because I
kept everything com This is Cover one. This is how
they play it. This is who we're responsible for who. Okay,
if we line up in a bunch formation, this is
how they're going to handle the bunch formation.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
This is why they do that. This is the weakness
of that, why they do that. You shouldn't do this
if this is how they cover this. Okay, this is
Cover two. This is how they cover.
Speaker 11 (24:59):
This is the they play two variations of Cover two
when they're in this variation. Is what they're treund's up
when they're in this various This is what they're trunds up. Okay,
this is Cover four. This is how this team uniquely
plays couple four. We shouldn't line up in this formation
to try to run this concept for one year. I
had for actually more years beyond that. That's how I
developed and learned. Oh defense calls a certain play. This
(25:21):
is how we can We can put them in this
formation and they can back the coverage off and I'll
have a short thrown reason. Oh great, I love that.
Let's do that. Nobody is getting that type of development.
So I learned from an offensive standpoint, watching Drew and
having very good offensive coaches. Then I had a defensive coach,
the best one of all time, teach me how to
read defenses, you know. Then I would go out and
(25:43):
meet with player personnel, people you know, who are very talented. Okay,
we go through the entire defensive lineup. Okay, these are
all the things that this defense does. This is what
this player does well. This player does well, this player
does well. That's development. You're giving people knowledge and information
that you could take to the field so that you
(26:05):
could play with confidence and anticipation, and that would free
you up to play a very aggressive style of football.
So I'm saying, what if you're a quarterback, then you
go to a system and they don't teach you coverage.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
They don't teach you cover one, they don't teach you cover.
Speaker 11 (26:19):
Two, they don't teach you cover four, they don't have
personnel meanings. They give you an offensive game plan and
they go all right, but here you go figure it out,
and after Thanksgiving of your second year, they're going, man,
this guy just can't play anymore.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
He stinks.
Speaker 11 (26:31):
He you know, he can't recover. It's like, dude, would
did you teach him anything? Did you groom him? Did
you spend time after practice? Did you work on the
physical parts of his game? Did you work on his
throwing mechanics? Did you work on his drops? Did you
work on the mental parts of a game? Did you
understand how to help him study film better? So all
(26:52):
these aspects physical part about football. The physical part is
one aspect I got was one hundred and ninety nine
pick in the draft because so many people were focused
on a physical skill. Tom Brady two week couldn't stand
in the pocket, you know, is if he gets hit,
he's going to go down. You know, lacks are really
strong arm. That was kind of bull. But what I
(27:14):
really understood the mental emotional part. I could bring a consistent, competitive,
winning attitude to the to the game every day, or
to practice and the games every single week. Mentally, I
could absorb information you could give me, just like Belichick did,
pages of notes, and I could process those things and
then take them to the field and play with the anticipation.
(27:34):
So what I lacked for maybe in a bit of
physical development, I far exceeded a lot of other people
in mental emotional development, and that's a hard thing to evaluate.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
But I'd also say.
Speaker 11 (27:45):
There's not many people who even know what to do.
You know, it's not like they're CEOs of businesses. And
a lot of times they're football coaches, with all due respect,
they're not running large corporations. You know, as Bill Parcel said,
you know, they're pe coaches. A lot of times they
get elevated to you.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
Know, coaching positions.
Speaker 4 (28:06):
You know, it's it's funny.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
I said.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
The I thought Jaden Daniels last year, not because he
can move or he has a nice arm. It was
the best rookie quarterback I'd ever seen in terms of poise.
Two minute drill that had to play now. Mahomes was great,
but he got to sit behind you know, Alex Smith,
who's the great, the great teacher, but I mean drafted
play now go. And I was thinking about this and
(28:30):
the thing that blew me away with him and Kingsbury
was saying this in camp, and I remember being on
their saying, Cliff slowed down, you're raising the bike. Cliff's like,
I can't believe this kid, And I'm like, guys, he's
a rookie, bring it down his poise And you.
Speaker 4 (28:46):
Know what I think about this is crazy.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
You had this at a very early age, your first
year starting right replacing Drew.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
Is it parenting?
Speaker 3 (28:55):
Like?
Speaker 4 (28:55):
I think it's innate that sometimes.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
Have right like And I watched Jayden and I'm gonna
look his parents up.
Speaker 4 (29:02):
What did his parents do? He was so.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
Cool and calm. I don't think you can teach that.
I'm watching him in week three there's a buck twenty
on the clock, no facial expression.
Speaker 4 (29:12):
I'm like, Okay, that's not that's from home. That's from something.
I believe.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
The one thing you can't teach nobody can teach it
is you are either calm in crisis or you're not that.
If you're anxious in a teeth clencher, it never goes away.
No matter how good you can, you can get explain
that you had it?
Speaker 4 (29:35):
Jaden had it? Did you learn it? Did you have
it when you were twelve?
Speaker 3 (29:40):
Yeah?
Speaker 11 (29:40):
There's poise and composure in big moments that I do
think separates kind of elite performers. And I would say
it's probably a high sense of self confidence in big situations.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
You see that with Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 11 (29:53):
I think he's probably one of my favorite ones in
the NFL right.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
For a lot of reasons.
Speaker 11 (29:57):
But you see his face in big moments, it just
doesn't seem it's a big moment for everybody else except him.
And the difference is he actually looks more focused and
more urgent and more.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
Ready to go.
Speaker 11 (30:11):
And you know, you, you, you know, you just he's
just so laser focused. And there's some guys that play
like that, and there's others that look a little bit phrenetic.
I mean tiger woods, like tiger woods look like that
in golf. The bigger the moment, you know, the more
determined he looked. That's probably the right word. And there's
certain people who have I would say, no fear of failure,
(30:34):
and that allows you, that frees you up to go
out and be your best because people that fear of failure,
well then that means they're trying to control it. And
when you feel that lack of control or lack of confidence,
well people can see it on your face.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
A lot of times, you could see it in the
eyes of the quarterback.
Speaker 11 (30:49):
So you know, Jaden is very impressive and everything that
he's done, certainly his last year was one of the
great rookie seasons of any young quarterback.
Speaker 3 (30:59):
And again, you know we had.
Speaker 11 (31:00):
Him last week, we had Commanders, Giants. I'm always looking
for Okay, that's great. What's the next step in development?
And then the next step and the next step and
the next step. And you know, from the time that
you start to the time you finished, they're just continues.
There needs to be an upward trajectory every single year
based on all the things that you experience, and so
(31:21):
a lot of things that happen physically, mentally, emotionally over
the course of a career life on the field off
the field that you need to be able to grow
with as you get a little bit older and you
continue to develop.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
All right, big game this weekend ratings are up, Tom,
you sounded great. You sounded comfortable, and uh, congratulations and
all that stuff.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
Hey, good start for everybody. You know what it is.
I got the best team in the world.
Speaker 11 (31:47):
I got the best partner Kevin Burkhardt next to me,
Aaron and Tom on the field, Zee and Rus down
in the truck along with everybody else. And I love
my team at Fox. I know we're just going to
keep getting better. We're going to stay humble, We're going
to stay hungry. We're just going to keep working as
hard as we can to show up for one another
and try to provide the viewer with the best possible experience.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
And this week America's Game of the Week four.
Speaker 11 (32:10):
Five Sunday Eagles at chief couldn't get.
Speaker 3 (32:14):
A better game? Super Bowl rematch. I am fired up,
and it's Thursday afternoon.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
Let's go, Tom Brady LFG, let's go. I'll leave the
FLT the two.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
Let's go.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
All right, thanks buddy, that's right, all right, Tom Brady,
he's all fired up.
Speaker 4 (32:31):
That was Tom Brady. You got a little Tom Brady
as if he was in the huddle.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
Chiefs are a home dog for the second time ever
with Patrick Mahomes as a starting quarterback.
Speaker 4 (32:43):
What would be the first?
Speaker 1 (32:44):
Was it when Brady went there and beat him in
the possibly listen to Buffalo?
Speaker 4 (32:48):
Maybe the Buffalo?
Speaker 1 (32:49):
Is it when Buffalo they beat Buffalo the thirteen second game?
Was Buffalo favored in that one?
Speaker 4 (32:54):
So Colin, I think I've been here. Is this your three?
Speaker 5 (32:57):
I don't know whatever it is, three or four on
this show? I think that may be the single greatest interview.
I'm like taking notes, like he said some unbelievable stuff,
specifically about quarterbacks that.
Speaker 4 (33:09):
You and I should be talking about out air. I
love that Tom. I was amazing. I mean, you know
this incredible stuff.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
The only other instance it was, oh okay, it was
week six and twenty twenty two.
Speaker 4 (33:21):
It was not the playoff game.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
It was weeks six Bills a bad success against Kansas City,
just not in January, so it was week six they
beat him, and over the last four seasons, the Eagles
and the Chiefs are tied for the best record in
the NFL. I like Philadelphia by a touchdown or more.
I think Philadelphia. If you lined up twelve best player
in the game, I think nine are Eagles. Now I
get Andy Reid, I get Arrowhead, and I also get
(33:45):
a Chiefs team off a loss, so they're going to
be salty, so that it's gonna be somewhat close. But
a boy, in terms of roster composition, if Xavier Worthy
can play, that helps.
Speaker 4 (33:58):
There's a report now that Worthy may.
Speaker 5 (34:01):
Be at practice today with his teammates. That'sally just emerging
right now. But I can't expect him to play. Come on,
it's a it's a long game. You don't want him
to play in week two. Come on, Tom Brady. Nobody
else like him, even on our show.
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