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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 1 (00:24):
And Mark Schleras will be doing the Raiders commander's game,
so you know he's watching the Raiders tonight. He's joining
us live. Before we get into that, I'm brutal Denver
loss there is. We have never had more sharp young
offensive coaches. Mark, and a lot of these offensive coaches
they come from the Kyle Shanahan tree, which is structure
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and timing, and I don't know, I don't think that's
what Caleb is. Is it just possible this is a
bad fit. I don't know about bad fit, Colin. I
will tell you this.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
So one of the things that I struggle with when
I was watching Caleb Williams coming out of USC is
how many times he turned down a wide open throw
to go make something better happened? And I think one
thing about the National Football League is boring is the
way you win. Being on time, being on schedule is
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the way you win. But when historically you've been rewarded,
you've been praised, you've had accolades, you've had all these things,
you know, generational talent because every time you break out
of the pocket, every time you scramble around. When you're
in college, you have better athletes. You're a better athlete
than the rest of the guys. You make big time plays.
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That's not how the NFL works. When he was on schedule,
when they were scripting plays in that first half, he
was fourteen of nineteen. He ended up nineteen of thirty. Right, So,
all of a sudden, you get off track, you get
off schedule, you try to make something big happen, and
that's when bad things happen to you. So he's shown
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that he can do it. It's just when they get
off that script, when all of a sudden, you're no
longer on that, and the defense of justs can you
stick with that?
Speaker 4 (02:10):
Can you get out of your own head?
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Hey, when I have to make a play, you know,
all of a sudden, I've got to go scramble around.
I've got to do something special that he's got to
get over that. He's got to be on schedule. He's
got to put the ball in a place where the
receivers can catch it and do something with it afterwards.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
And hunting is okay. And so those are things that
he is going to have to learn.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
But when your whole career and your whole life, you've
been rewarded because you're such a great athlete, I always
say this, call him when things break down.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
As a quarterback, your.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
Reaction has to be from the neck up, not from
the neck down. It can't be Hey, I'm a better
athlete than everybody else, let me go make a play.
You've got to think your way through that. And you've
got to be able at some point to dump the
ball off or to throw it out of bounds and punt.
Those are the things that he's going to have to
learn how to do.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
So people didn't watch the Denver game. Three big mistakes
A JK. Dobbins a tight end the kick, and I
thought Bonnix played much better but had a really rough
interception on the fourth. And I've said this, I picked
them to win their division. They have been really sloppy defensively.
Daniel Jones ate them apart now, I think the Colts
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have better personnel than people give them credit for. Warren,
Jonathan Taylor, Pittman Pierce. India's got a roster, they got players,
But how is it playing. I mean, you're very popular
in Denver sports radio. They just look off to me.
Is it too early to be concerned?
Speaker 2 (03:42):
No?
Speaker 3 (03:42):
I mean, ultimately, you know, it doesn't really matter who
your quarterback is, doesn't really matter.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
You know, who your receivers are doesn't really matter.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
As Joe Burrow, If you can't dominate the line of scrimmage,
guess what you can't win in this league. And the
Indianapolis Colts absolutely dominated the line of scrimmage. The one
thing that was a big talking point calling for you
and myself and everybody else in the media was this
is an elite level defense. This is the best defense
in football. This could be a generational type defense. This
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defense got beat up online of scrimmage. They could not
generate a pass rush. They could not stop the run.
When you're playing second down and five on every play
because your running back is churning out yardage and then
you're busting coverages, you're throwing the ball. Daniel Jones looked
great the quick game was awesome. Their crossing routes were great.
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They did a phenomenal job of beating the Denver Broncos.
And that pass rush was never was never allowed to
be unleashed. And they say this all the time in
the NFL. You earn the right to rush the passer
with how you defend the run.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
They couldn't defend the run. They never got into their
pass rush.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
They had one sack over the course, it was a
linebacker Sternod and it was off of Blitz. Other than that,
they never sniffed Daniel Jones throughout the rest of the day.
So yeah, it was sloppy. Offensively, Boonix looked a lot better,
but he threw that untimely pick. The Broncos have been
slopping throughout the first two games of the season without question,
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and that elite level defense got pushed around last day yesterday.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
So you had several surgeries. I said, I don't know
who Dak Prescott surgeon was, but he looks reborn.
Speaker 5 (05:21):
He's running.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
They asked him to throw fifty two times against a
pretty good defensive front. And I always thought when a
player got a surgery, he had to play himself back
into confidence, and I don't know what I mean. Dak's
offseason must have been profound. I am shocked by how
young he looks, how active he looks. His boy, he
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looks like he's in the best shape of his life.
Are you at all surprised by Dak and this Dallas offense?
Speaker 3 (05:51):
And no, listen, I've been a guy that has been
a Dak Prescott fan since the day got in this league.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
I think he's.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
Got this old soul about him with you one hundred percent.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
He is moving.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
He has been on target. Remember, man, he was completely
on target in that first game. Had a bunch of
drops in that first game, that Thursday opener against Philadelphia.
So I think the guy has been amazing. Fifty two attempts.
And I thought what was really cool when the game
was on the line, when it was crunch time.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
Ye man, he went out and found himself ceedee lamb.
He got some big plays from him.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
And then George Pickens is such a threat over the
top the underneath game. I thought, smart coaching bribe by
Brian Schottenheimer and that staff get the ball to pickings underneath.
You know you're so worried about him, beat you over
the top and Dak Prescott operating that offense.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
Now, defensively, they got to clean some stuff up, right.
You just can't give.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
Up a big play after big play and not cover guys.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
But offensively, what a game.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
And how about their kicker sixty four yards to tie
it up to get into overtime.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
That's just ridiculous. It's not fair, it's ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
So I'm watching Phililadelphia and I said this, what Nothing
helps your defense like a profound run game. Because now
we've got seventeen games. The Steelers have the second oldest
roster in the league to Washington. So they got some
they got some veteran players, and so to keep them
off the field, you got to pick up first downs. Well,
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the Steelers don't. They're like thirtieth in time of possession,
they're twenty ninth or thirtieth in yards per rush. So
it's an old defense and they're on the field too much.
So when I watched Philadelphia, I don't know if their
defense is great, but your great Bronco teams and your
great Washington teams had this ability when the game was
tied at half, you knew, like a great baseball pitcher,
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you were going to wear people down in the second half.
That game was ten ten at half, and I'm like, oh,
this is Philadelphia. This is built for Philadelphia. In Kansas
City has no run game. And I want you to
speak about that, about going into a game always knowing
we got the better on line, we got the better
run game, and how it affects halftime changes and second
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half possessions.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
Yeah, well, I mean, number one, you're going to bail
your defense out right, You're going to keep them fresh
because playing defense, frankly, is harder than playing offense when
it comes to the energy that you expend. I mean,
you know, if I block you and our running back
takes off and he's down the field for ten to eleven yards.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
As a defense, you got to chase it. You know
what I do. I go to where we're gonna huddle.
I just watch. I don't give a rip. And so
it is. It takes more effort to play on that
side of the ball.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
So the more you can control the temple, the more
you control the cloth, the better off you are. The
other thing that ends up happening is you have the ability,
if you can do that, to eliminate the pass rush
in the fourth quarter, and when guys are tripping over
their tongues because they're exhausted from getting worn out from
you controlling the temple of the game. Guess what, there
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is no fourth quarter pass rush, and you win. Bill Wallash,
you said all the time the key to winning in
the National Football League is rushing the quarterback in the
fourth quarter. Being able to put that rush on. Well,
if you're worn out from trying to defend the run,
there's no way you can do that. And I always
say this about understanding the run game, because I think
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a lot of teams just don't right. They think if
they pop a draw and third down and six and
they get nineteen yards, man, they're really running the ball.
Speaker 4 (09:24):
That's not running the ball right.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
That's tricking people running the ball is getting in the
red zone when everybody knows the field is short. Right,
the safety's heels are at eight yards. So you're facing
an eight nine man boss, and you say, we're going
to run it down your throats anyway, and we're gonna
get four or five yards of carry when it's third
down and three and you've got to convert a third
down to two, and you've got to convert everybody knows
you're going to run it, and you've got to kill
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the clock and forman an offense. Can you get that done?
That to me is what running the ball is. I
always look at not yards per care, but how many
attempts they are running backs get. The only guy who
ran the ball for kan'ta see with any effective.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
This was Patrick Mahomes. That was it.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
The running backs didn't do anything, you know for a
yards per carry average or for the attempts that they got.
So yeah, I'm big with you on that running game
and what it does for you as an overall football team,
your mentality, what it does for your defense, and how
you control the tempo of the game when you can
do that as showed Burrow, if you'd like to get
out of shotgun and not being shotgun twenty four to
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seven and you know, in all the weight on his
shoulders at all times throwing the football.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
You know, it's interesting about Burrow is they don't have
much of a run game. And I was saying this,
certain guys just don't get hurt. Eli Manning and Tom
Brady mostly didn't get hurt, and Justin Fields and Joe
Burrow are hurt a lot and I the offensive line
always gets blamed and sometimes a guy blows a left
tackle misses. But when I watched Burrow's injuries, could I
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not argue Joe holds the ball until the last second,
and when you don't have elite blockers, you're prone to
get hurt. That some of this is on Burrow or
a justin fields or quarterbacks Trevor Lawrence has been dinged
up through the years.
Speaker 5 (11:06):
Isn't some of it on the quarterback?
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Well?
Speaker 3 (11:10):
Sure, you know, I always say this that quarterbacks, like sacks,
have become more quarterback driven statistic than they are on
o line driven statistic. In today's game, man, you've got
how many bubble screens, how many swing passes, how many
tunnel screens, how many three step drop game, you know,
your quick game and all that stuff. The balls out
of the quarterback's hands in two and a half seconds
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on a consistent basis. So a lot of that goes
on the quarterback. But the problem that I always have
with Cincinnati is you line them up in shotgun. I
think the first twenty five thirty plays they had two
under center plays, one on the goal line and one
in the open field. They're all shotgun plays, so you're
asking him to basically throw the football from shotgun. When
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you get into gun man, you eliminate a large portion
of your run game you run and play is not
nearly as good out of that. So again I'll go
to the coaching staff and the way they operate as
an offense, They put it all on his shoulders and say,
go win us a football game, Joe.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
So like I would say, what is Joe supposed to do?
Speaker 3 (12:13):
Because that's the offense that you've asked him to create,
or that's the offense that you've asked him to play in.
And so I just think they never ever take a
load off of Joe Burrow. It's always on him. And frankly,
it irritates me that that's the way they operate as
an offense because I think you're wasting one of the
great talents in all the National Football League because you
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don't protect him and you don't take any of the
weight off his shoulders. You have been playing on the
high dive sixty five out of sixty five plays, Hey, Joe,
go win it for us?
Speaker 4 (12:46):
Okay, do it?
Speaker 3 (12:47):
And I don't agree with that philosophy of football.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
Mark Slarra that Denver loss. I'm not going to say
I had money on it, but let's just say the.
Speaker 5 (12:58):
Kids college.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
It was, it was.
Speaker 5 (13:03):
It was good seeing your mark.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
As always, I forget you, buddy. Take care.
Speaker 5 (13:06):
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Speaker 1 (13:53):
Oh, I don't know if you guys noticed j mac
usc remains undefeated. I'll tell you if you don't know
about Lincoln Riley and you have questions, Jordan Mayava, that
quarterback in one year has got to be the most
improved quarterback in the country last year, he wouldn't throw
the ball away, tried to extend plays. He's the number
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one rank college quarterback in the country.
Speaker 7 (14:18):
Yeah, so we're counting the win over Perdue that counts.
Speaker 5 (14:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
I don't know if you know about Purdue, but their
engineering department is among the very best. All I'm gonna
say is defensive line best since Pete Carroll.
Speaker 7 (14:34):
I'm just kidding.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
And Lincoln Riley has taken a quarterback from UNLV who
has talent but was mistake prone last year. He has
totally cleaned that kid's game up. Jordan Mayava Jaden Mayova
looks outstanding, Like I didn't think. People ask me before
the season USC fans, what do you think? I'm like,
I don't know if the quarterback works. You know, he
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makes too many mistakes. New guy, like a new player.
Speaker 7 (15:00):
Can you just I know you've committed the schedule to memory,
So can you tell me when their schedule really starts?
Speaker 1 (15:05):
When they play the most the very explosive Michigan State
Spartans this week?
Speaker 5 (15:10):
Oh yeah, Oh, then they play the.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
Most under ratted team in the country, Illinois in the
Viverridge Fridgid Midwest.
Speaker 7 (15:19):
That's a game. Now are you going to that?
Speaker 5 (15:20):
Do you find miss absolutely going?
Speaker 1 (15:22):
I've got my USC red Trojan shoes, very excited.
Speaker 7 (15:25):
I saw those on the on social media. Yes, yes,
well I just you.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Know, by the way they snuck into the rankings at
twenty fifth. They're such an anti USC bias. It's shameful.
Speaker 7 (15:36):
Yeah, everybody loves Notre Dame. They're they're owing to in
their ranked I know.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
It's amazing and that Jmack with the News, No, no,
this is.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
The herd Line News.
Speaker 8 (15:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (15:48):
Right, it's time to talk about those putred Miami Dolphins
zero and two. They actually showed well against the Patriots
that you should have had a shot with a bad interception late,
here's a miss of Tyreek. Tyreek's reaction not good. Mike
McDaniel spoke about the last possession of the game where
two got picked and his job security.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
I got to play call in, but I need to
do a better job supervising all of the orchestration within
our multiple personnel groups.
Speaker 5 (16:16):
So we're to win games.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
You have to win the game, not lose the game, honestly,
and that.
Speaker 5 (16:25):
That is how you lose the game.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Yeah, that proficient and prophetic. It was an interesting game
in which Patriots got Antonio Gibson had a big special
teams kickoff return for a touchdown, and Drake May looks okay,
like he just needs more starts. He doesn't look overwhelmed,
he just looks raw. But overall the Patriots, that's a
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big win for them. Now because the Jets look lost.
That's a and now Justin Fields is hurt. So Buffalo
is going to win the division. I had New England
as a Wie card team. They beat Miami in South Florida,
so then that means, oh, Miami falling apart, has to
go up to Foxborough as the weather becomes more frigid.
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So it looks like New Engo was a big, big win.
Speaker 5 (17:16):
For New England.
Speaker 7 (17:17):
Mike McDaniel looks like a government employee who lost his
job in the Doze cuts. I mean, he is just
like gaunt and like just dry. And I know it
was cool when they were winning, right, but now he
looks kind of down in the dumps. I'm just wondering
when do they try to trade Tyreek Hill sell any
defender who's not bolted down, Like they just got to
start getting picks. That team needs a full reboot. This
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is a tear down to the studs.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
Comes.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
No, we agree, there's a lot of things that aren't working,
but this is a coach, GM scouting department tear to
the studs.
Speaker 7 (17:49):
Okay, I'm reading here. Tua took a veiled shot at
McDaniel's saying, I was frustrated with the communication. The whole
operation was not up to standard. Wow, that's not good.
Why uh debt was that today?
Speaker 2 (18:02):
No?
Speaker 5 (18:03):
I don't know.
Speaker 7 (18:04):
This was apparently after the game. He was disappointed. Like
everybody's trying to deflect blame, right, it's not my fault. Hey,
communication wasn't up to standard. GM is gonna throw the
coach out of the bus. Coach is gonna throw the GM.
It's basically every man for himself at this point in Miami.
Those are fun to watch, so we'll enjoy that. Next
up is the Jags. Collin This is kind of an
interesting one. Okay, we watch on screen here. Liam Cohen
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very upset that Trevor Lawrence would sail to pass high
the receiver was open. He's like hit him in the chest.
He's pointing to his chest, and Trevor Lawrence kind of
was like, all right, settle down.
Speaker 4 (18:37):
Listen.
Speaker 7 (18:37):
I don't think this is a huge deal, but the
internet and all these trolls online think this is like,
oh my gosh, Jeff con One, here's Cohen on the situation.
Speaker 8 (18:47):
That was just one throw. I was pissed. You know,
it is what it is. You know, it's not that's emotion,
it's not personal. Ever, we can win with him playing
like that in limiting obviously sleeve the turnovers.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
You know, whether it's whose fault?
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Is it my fall?
Speaker 8 (19:03):
Is a play car or was it a bad design?
Speaker 4 (19:04):
Was it an Aaron throw? Was it a miss block? Right?
Speaker 8 (19:07):
Who knows what that looks like. But I was very
proud of the competitor that he was.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Today some people are complaining that Brian Thomas, the receiver
is avoiding contact.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
What is he doing?
Speaker 7 (19:20):
Man?
Speaker 5 (19:20):
Drop brutal draw?
Speaker 7 (19:21):
It was yesterday.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
There was also a drop in the end zone by
the Jacks on a dip by a different player.
Speaker 5 (19:26):
So again touchdown dropped and.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Uh, you know, could could have been a play that
ended up in the end zone dropped, So I didn't.
I'm not blaming Trevor Lawrence for yesterday.
Speaker 7 (19:37):
One hundred percent agree. Again, this is like people who
are box score watching? Just a reminder, Jags are up
three inside the Bengals ten yard line.
Speaker 5 (19:45):
Yeah, with like four minutes.
Speaker 7 (19:47):
Less, Okay, you could kick and go up six. I
don't advocate that, right, that's stupid. You're gonna lose on
a touchdown or you just get five yards, you know,
and they and they couldn't get it. Disappointing and then
you know, Browning takes it to the the field. Let's
not overreact. People want to dump Trevor Lawrence after this.
I'm like, I know he had the end of the
pick and he wasn't great, but like Travis Hunter had
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a brutal passer referits call on fourth down, Yeah, I
mean that wins the game. It was a dicey call.
I'm not stelling my Liam Cohen stock. You guys can sell.
I'm sticking with this guy. I think he's a winner.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
Colin, second week in a row. The one o'clock window
on the red zone. Oh gosh, chaos, just chaos at
the end of games.
Speaker 7 (20:28):
All right, final story, Colin, I want to save some
room for this. I'm obsessed with this. So LSU beats
Florida twenty to ten. LS you did not look good.
Their MVP was basically the punter. But afterward the press
conference opened, the first question really ticked off Brian and
Kelly Colin.
Speaker 5 (20:44):
This is classic.
Speaker 7 (20:45):
Listen, take a listen, you.
Speaker 9 (20:47):
Micro you're looking at this from the wrong perspective. LSU
won the football game, won the game. I don't know
what you want from me. What do you want? You
wants to win seven nothing against Florida to keep you happy.
There's some ridiculous questions and I'm getting tired of it.
That football team just work their tail off to get
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an SEC win. And you want to know what's wrong.
You know what, You're spoiled. You're spoiled.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
Well, not ideal, although the players probably love it. I mean,
welcome to the SEC and welcome to the media. I
would say his players love that support. I mean LSU
beat Clemson that does not look as impressive now and
Florida's not very good. So what they're doing is they're
they're kind of narrowly beating teams that are not very good.
Speaker 5 (21:45):
But that's the SEC.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
And I think now, I do think college teams have
a right to get better. We know in the NFL
that teams get better. I mean Bill Belichick during the dynasty,
New England wasn't a dominating September team and college.
Speaker 5 (21:59):
Team get better. So I don't know.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
I LSU is a good football team. They're not an
undefeated football team eventually, but they've got a pro quarterback,
a more than capable coach. And also, you know, Florida
had just lost a game, this was embarrassing, So Florida
is probably going into that game with absolute urgency and
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defending themselves, the pride of the program, the pride of Gainesville.
So you're probably got an incredib bad throw by Nessmar terribly. Yeah,
but you're probably getting an inspired effort by a team
that just got humiliated. And those are the worst kind
of teams to play. So it's not apples to apples.
But the Eagles had what two hundred and fifteen yards.
Speaker 7 (22:40):
Of offense in Kansas City. Imagine if the first question
Jalen hurt Scott was like, hey, you threw for one
hundred yards? What's wrong with the offense? Jalen Hurts would
have calmly been like, we got to win, that's what matters.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Now.
Speaker 7 (22:54):
Brian Kelly is like what what stop it?
Speaker 5 (22:56):
What's right? You know?
Speaker 7 (22:57):
And I kind of like that that emotion there.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Coaches to a fault, you know, the richest paid state employee. Yes,
tend to be very tribal and very provincial and very protective.
Whereas and I've always given Jalen Hurts and Dak the
complement of when those guys step at the podium, no
matter how dumb the question, Dak or Jalen Hurts handle it.
Some of these college coaches are so wound up and
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it's such a pressure cooker, especially in the SEC, they
just lose their mind when.
Speaker 5 (23:26):
A reporter goes after him.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
I mean, we've already seen Sark get worked up at
the podium and Brian Kelly get worked up at the podium.
And that's the reality. There's a ton of pressure. You know,
the player graduates and move on. Yeah, the coach has
to deal with boosters and the ad and the fans
and talk radio. So these college football coaches get worked
up very quickly.
Speaker 7 (23:46):
And your great point, he has the run of the
state right now. Nobody can question Brian Kelly. Now they
have Southeast Louisiana next, that's a dub. But then they
go to Ole Miss. That's a big one against your guy.
Lane Kiffin. I'm very If they lose that, it's gonna
be open season on Brian Kelly. If he wins that,
you know he's going to be like, hey, what's up.
Speaker 5 (24:04):
We took down lane Kiffin.
Speaker 7 (24:06):
What do you want from me? Now?
Speaker 2 (24:07):
You know?
Speaker 7 (24:07):
Like, so this schedule is a gauntlet. Okay, the Texas
A and M, Alabama, Oklahoma. I mean they got some
brutal game. Vanderbilt is no pushover. I know you're up
on Vanderbilt. No vanderdil this year. Vanderdort can play A
and M's tough. Alabama now seems to have their act together.
They're not winning a ten or eleven games with the schedule.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
There's just no your data, typical SEC schedule at Ole
Miss at Vandy, at Bama at Old Olaha, Oklahoma. Yeah,
Oklahoma's good. Oklahoma's defense juniors and seniors, and they have
a quarterback. So by the way, Lincoln Riley and Brent
Venables seem to have righted the ship a little bit.
One's got their offense humming and the defensive guy and
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Oklahoma's got his defense humming. So it looks like they
both took a couple of years. And if you watched
Oklahoma and USC. They do look more stabilized with very
good quarterback.
Speaker 7 (25:00):
And I know some people in this building who are
happy you just brought this back to USC to close
the segment. Trojins, Hey, how about them?
Speaker 5 (25:08):
Very interesting?
Speaker 1 (25:09):
No, I mean Oklahoma and USC a couple of years ago,
we didn't know if they had the right coach.
Speaker 4 (25:13):
That's good.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
But I think USC's offense and Oklahoma's defense, you're like, yeah,
that works, that plays those are potential playoff teams, saying
they're getting there. I don't think we'll see what Notre
Dame is. I looked at that as an l for
the Trojans in South Bend. We'll just wait and see,
wait and see what happened.
Speaker 5 (25:30):
Jmck with a new.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
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Herd Line news.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
The star quarterback in the NFL not Joe Burrow, but
a star quarterback.
Speaker 5 (25:42):
Couldn't miss Next week. We'll give you an update in that.
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Speaker 1 (25:59):
All Right, the Washington Commanders their Sunday game against the Raiders.
Raiders plays that out against the rival Chargers Division game.
Jaden Daniels may not play. It's got a knee injury.
Status is up in the air, not serious, but Jaden
Daniels may not play. Now, there were Jmack, there were
rumors last week people were saying he was limping, he
looked something was off. Well, now it's been validated that
Jaden Daniels is not one hundred percent. So the big
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concernment he had when he came into the league was
not that he didn't have the maturity or accuracy or
ability to move. The big concern was he is kind
of thin, kind of a Teddy Bridgewater build, and people
worried about his durability in the NFL. So he got
banged up a little bit last year, he got banged up.
This year he's fine. My guess is he probably plays
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the other one. We're at Week three and next week
Jake browning back up to Joe Burrow will play against
Carson Wentz back up to JJ McCarthy. So reportedly today
JJ McCarthy has been ruled out for Sunday's game against
the Bengals due to an ankle injury. AJ McCarthy who
got injured last year, right, remember it couldn't play last
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year because of an injury. He is now in week three,
injured again, and he's getting popped. And one of the
knocks on McCarthy I think through two weeks is he
holds the ball too long. So j Night again, what
is injury prone? I think it's fair to say Joe
Burrow may have to change his style a bit. He's
injury prone. Justin Fields banged up again, he may have
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to change his style. So JJ McCarthy now has a
serious injury, could not play last year. We're in week three,
can't play again. So it's something I said before Sam
Darnold came into this league. Sam held the ball too long.
H too often ran into traffic, he got banged up.
Justin Herbert first two years in the league was putting
a shoulder down and going in the linebackers.
Speaker 5 (27:48):
You can't do that. So I'm not blaming anybody.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
But Week three Vikings Bengals is a backup quarterback game already.
Speaker 7 (27:56):
And Colin it's a great point. This is why gms
and coaches want their quarterbacks to win from the pocket.
We don't want you're running. A lot of bad things
could happen when you're on the run. The problem is
Burrow got hurt in the pocket. It appears as if
McCarthy got hurt in the pocket. What is this is
about the offensive line? Colin Minnesota's offensive line banged up,
missing the left tackle and the center got concussed. Bengo's
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offensive line is a joke. If you don't protect your
expensive investment, this is on you, right. I mean, I
can't feel bad for these teams losing their quarterbacks. Washington
went out and got tunsled. They did the right thing
and Daniel still got hurt. But down four starters already
heading into week three is not great for the NFL five.
We'll see what happens with fields and the concussion.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
Yeah, the I mean, I guess I look, I think
about definitive opinion. If I'm trying to think of definitive
opinions I have through three weeks. One of them is
Caleb and Ben Johnson is a weird fit. And I mean,
they upgraded their own line and it still feels like
he's under constant duress. That Bears offense is a weird fit.
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The Indianapolis Colts have a really good roster and Daniel
Jones and Shane Stike and you can say what you want,
but he plays now with a much more confidence. I
think Indy's just got better offensive personnel than people think.
I mean, Pittman, Pierce, this tight end from Penn State
after the catch Hallo was a handful of Jonathan Taylor's
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a top five running back. So it's like they had
the coach we liked. So I think Indianapolis is one
of those where we're like, you know what, when you
watch them play Denver, you didn't feel like Denver had
a significantly better roster, you know, I mean because Peyton
is considered a better coach than Stichan and bo Nick
you think is better than Daniel Jones. But as Mark
Schlera said, Indy controlled the lines of scrimmage.
Speaker 5 (29:51):
So I think Indy.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
One of my opinions through two weeks is Indy is
better than I gave them credit for.
Speaker 7 (29:56):
They have looked that way so far. Yes, how about
this one? So Daniel Jones was cooking, like you said,
the backup is Anthony Richardson. There was chatter that his
agents were like, hey, can we get Anthony Richardson somewhere else.
How about this Washington's backup to Daniels's Marcus Mariota, two
running quarterbacks. If you're Washington, why not try to take
a flyer on Anthony Richardson. Just try to steal him
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from the Colts. Hey, you guys aren't using him. We'll
take Anthony Richardson for I don't whatever you want, fourth
or fifth round pick?
Speaker 5 (30:25):
Oh, I wouldn't.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
I wouldn't give up a fourth round pick for Anthony Richardson.
Speaker 7 (30:29):
You don't think he can fetch that?
Speaker 1 (30:31):
Marcus Mariota is a great kid. I think that ship
has sailed. I don't think Listen, ask yourself. Look at
what Shane Steichen has done to Daniel Jones, and Anthony
Richardson was struggling to complete fifty five percent of his throats.
Speaker 4 (30:47):
That's fair.
Speaker 7 (30:48):
The counter, Colin, is that.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
We and again the Colts, their offensive personnel appears to
be good. Anthony Richardson, they gave up on him. Well,
that's the problem, though. Baker Mayfield second, third, fourth chance, Oh,
he's awesome. Sam Darnold, third chance, Oh, this is our guy.
I mean, look at Daniel Jones. He looks better than
he ever looked with the Giants. Is that?
Speaker 7 (31:11):
Would you agree? Some of these quarterbacks? It just takes time.
So if you're a value shopper with stocks, you buy low.
Anthony Richardson's very low. Now, can some smart oc Cliff
Kingsbury fix him if you need him.
Speaker 5 (31:23):
I don't know if he's fixable.
Speaker 7 (31:25):
Oh I do. That's harsh. He started like twenty games.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
Maybe, But Daniel, if you go back and I don't
know what they are, go back and look at Daniel Jones.
He won a playoff game goldd His in Minnoa, New
York and they didn't have a very good roster. When
I watched Daniel Jones yesterday against the Broncos pass rush,
he had a run game, he had time to throw.
It felt like he was throwing on second and five.
I mean, seriously, it was like the Colts were in
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a perpetual second and five.
Speaker 5 (31:53):
It's hard to struggle.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
I think Indy's just got better personnel than we think, right,
And they came in and Indy came into this game
by after Patrick Sertan they attacked him. Yes, I mean.
Speaker 5 (32:07):
Had really didn't do anything.
Speaker 7 (32:09):
So Daniel Jones was remember his nickname was Vanilla Vick
with the Giants because he was more of a runner.
Now they're rebranding him as Indiana Jones. I don't know
if you saw this during the broadcast. He's Indiana Jones.
He's daring and he's actually winning. He looks like a
better thrower. Let me adjust that better thrower now than
he ever did with the Giants. Kid fifteen touchdown passes
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or something crazy?
Speaker 5 (32:30):
All right, the Colts have a better O line.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
Yeah, then, and it starts with that than a better
old line than the Giants. I think Andrew Thomas left
tackle with the Giants is good. He is hurt all
the time and the backup is not good. I'm not
sure if it's an NFL player. So, I mean a
lot of the Colts success is they protect Daniel Jones
and he's got tremendous weapons. But I'll give Daniel Jones credit.
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He made a couple of throws up the left side.
Speaker 5 (33:00):
But you were like, oh, those are big boy throws.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
But again, when you have confidence, when you have time,
when it's second and five, when the defense, the linebackers
have to be honest and there's a cushion, makes a
lot of quarterbacks look good.
Speaker 5 (33:11):
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 1 (00:24):
And Mark Schleras will be doing the Raiders commander's game,
so you know he's watching the Raiders tonight. He's joining
us live. Before we get into that, I'm brutal Denver
loss there is. We have never had more sharp young
offensive coaches. Mark, and a lot of these offensive coaches
they come from the Kyle Shanahan tree, which is structure
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and timing, and I don't know, I don't think that's
what Caleb is. Is it just possible this is a
bad fit. I don't know about bad fit, Colin. I
will tell you this.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
So one of the things that I struggle with when
I was watching Caleb Williams coming out of USC is
how many times he turned down a wide open throw
to go make something better happened? And I think one
thing about the National Football League is boring is the
way you win. Being on time, being on schedule is
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the way you win. But when historically you've been rewarded,
you've been praised, you've had accolades, you've had all these things,
you know, generational talent because every time you break out
of the pocket, every time you scramble around. When you're
in college, you have better athletes. You're a better athlete
than the rest of the guys. You make big time plays.
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That's not how the NFL works. When he was on schedule,
when they were scripting plays in that first half, he
was fourteen of nineteen. He ended up nineteen of thirty. Right, So,
all of a sudden, you get off track, you get
off schedule, you try to make something big happen, and
that's when bad things happen to you. So he's shown
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that he can do it. It's just when they get
off that script, when all of a sudden, you're no
longer on that, and the defense of justs can you
stick with that?
Speaker 4 (02:10):
Can you get out of your own head?
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Hey, when I have to make a play, you know,
all of a sudden, I've got to go scramble around.
I've got to do something special that he's got to
get over that. He's got to be on schedule. He's
got to put the ball in a place where the
receivers can catch it and do something with it afterwards.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
And hunting is okay. And so those are things that
he is going to have to learn.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
But when your whole career and your whole life, you've
been rewarded because you're such a great athlete, I always
say this, call him when things break down.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
As a quarterback, your.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
Reaction has to be from the neck up, not from
the neck down. It can't be Hey, I'm a better
athlete than everybody else, let me go make a play.
You've got to think your way through that. And you've
got to be able at some point to dump the
ball off or to throw it out of bounds and punt.
Those are the things that he's going to have to
learn how to do.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
So people didn't watch the Denver game. Three big mistakes
A JK. Dobbins a tight end the kick, and I
thought Bonnix played much better but had a really rough
interception on the fourth. And I've said this, I picked
them to win their division. They have been really sloppy defensively.
Daniel Jones ate them apart now, I think the Colts
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have better personnel than people give them credit for. Warren,
Jonathan Taylor, Pittman Pierce. India's got a roster, they got players,
But how is it playing. I mean, you're very popular
in Denver sports radio. They just look off to me.
Is it too early to be concerned?
Speaker 2 (03:42):
No?
Speaker 3 (03:42):
I mean, ultimately, you know, it doesn't really matter who
your quarterback is, doesn't really matter.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
You know, who your receivers are doesn't really matter.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
As Joe Burrow, If you can't dominate the line of scrimmage,
guess what you can't win in this league. And the
Indianapolis Colts absolutely dominated the line of scrimmage. The one
thing that was a big talking point calling for you
and myself and everybody else in the media was this
is an elite level defense. This is the best defense
in football. This could be a generational type defense. This
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defense got beat up online of scrimmage. They could not
generate a pass rush. They could not stop the run.
When you're playing second down and five on every play
because your running back is churning out yardage and then
you're busting coverages, you're throwing the ball. Daniel Jones looked
great the quick game was awesome. Their crossing routes were great.
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They did a phenomenal job of beating the Denver Broncos.
And that pass rush was never was never allowed to
be unleashed. And they say this all the time in
the NFL. You earn the right to rush the passer
with how you defend the run.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
They couldn't defend the run. They never got into their
pass rush.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
They had one sack over the course, it was a
linebacker Sternod and it was off of Blitz. Other than that,
they never sniffed Daniel Jones throughout the rest of the day.
So yeah, it was sloppy. Offensively, Boonix looked a lot better,
but he threw that untimely pick. The Broncos have been
slopping throughout the first two games of the season without question,
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and that elite level defense got pushed around last day yesterday.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
So you had several surgeries. I said, I don't know
who Dak Prescott surgeon was, but he looks reborn.
Speaker 5 (05:21):
He's running.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
They asked him to throw fifty two times against a
pretty good defensive front. And I always thought when a
player got a surgery, he had to play himself back
into confidence, and I don't know what I mean. Dak's
offseason must have been profound. I am shocked by how
young he looks, how active he looks. His boy, he
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looks like he's in the best shape of his life.
Are you at all surprised by Dak and this Dallas offense?
Speaker 3 (05:51):
And no, listen, I've been a guy that has been
a Dak Prescott fan since the day got in this league.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
I think he's.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
Got this old soul about him with you one hundred percent.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
He is moving.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
He has been on target. Remember, man, he was completely
on target in that first game. Had a bunch of
drops in that first game, that Thursday opener against Philadelphia.
So I think the guy has been amazing. Fifty two attempts.
And I thought what was really cool when the game
was on the line, when it was crunch time.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
Ye man, he went out and found himself ceedee lamb.
He got some big plays from him.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
And then George Pickens is such a threat over the
top the underneath game. I thought, smart coaching bribe by
Brian Schottenheimer and that staff get the ball to pickings underneath.
You know you're so worried about him, beat you over
the top and Dak Prescott operating that offense.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
Now, defensively, they got to clean some stuff up, right.
You just can't give.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
Up a big play after big play and not cover guys.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
But offensively, what a game.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
And how about their kicker sixty four yards to tie
it up to get into overtime.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
That's just ridiculous. It's not fair, it's ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
So I'm watching Phililadelphia and I said this, what Nothing
helps your defense like a profound run game. Because now
we've got seventeen games. The Steelers have the second oldest
roster in the league to Washington. So they got some
they got some veteran players, and so to keep them
off the field, you got to pick up first downs. Well,
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the Steelers don't. They're like thirtieth in time of possession,
they're twenty ninth or thirtieth in yards per rush. So
it's an old defense and they're on the field too much.
So when I watched Philadelphia, I don't know if their
defense is great, but your great Bronco teams and your
great Washington teams had this ability when the game was
tied at half, you knew, like a great baseball pitcher,
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you were going to wear people down in the second half.
That game was ten ten at half, and I'm like, oh,
this is Philadelphia. This is built for Philadelphia. In Kansas
City has no run game. And I want you to
speak about that, about going into a game always knowing
we got the better on line, we got the better
run game, and how it affects halftime changes and second
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half possessions.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
Yeah, well, I mean, number one, you're going to bail
your defense out right, You're going to keep them fresh
because playing defense, frankly, is harder than playing offense when
it comes to the energy that you expend. I mean,
you know, if I block you and our running back
takes off and he's down the field for ten to eleven yards.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
As a defense, you got to chase it. You know
what I do. I go to where we're gonna huddle.
I just watch. I don't give a rip. And so
it is. It takes more effort to play on that
side of the ball.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
So the more you can control the temple, the more
you control the cloth, the better off you are. The
other thing that ends up happening is you have the ability,
if you can do that, to eliminate the pass rush
in the fourth quarter, and when guys are tripping over
their tongues because they're exhausted from getting worn out from
you controlling the temple of the game. Guess what, there
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is no fourth quarter pass rush, and you win. Bill Wallash,
you said all the time the key to winning in
the National Football League is rushing the quarterback in the
fourth quarter. Being able to put that rush on. Well,
if you're worn out from trying to defend the run,
there's no way you can do that. And I always
say this about understanding the run game, because I think
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a lot of teams just don't right. They think if
they pop a draw and third down and six and
they get nineteen yards, man, they're really running the ball.
Speaker 4 (09:24):
That's not running the ball right.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
That's tricking people running the ball is getting in the
red zone when everybody knows the field is short. Right,
the safety's heels are at eight yards. So you're facing
an eight nine man boss, and you say, we're going
to run it down your throats anyway, and we're gonna
get four or five yards of carry when it's third
down and three and you've got to convert a third
down to two, and you've got to convert everybody knows
you're going to run it, and you've got to kill
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the clock and forman an offense. Can you get that done?
That to me is what running the ball is. I
always look at not yards per care, but how many
attempts they are running backs get. The only guy who
ran the ball for kan'ta see with any effective.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
This was Patrick Mahomes. That was it.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
The running backs didn't do anything, you know for a
yards per carry average or for the attempts that they got.
So yeah, I'm big with you on that running game
and what it does for you as an overall football team,
your mentality, what it does for your defense, and how
you control the tempo of the game when you can
do that as showed Burrow, if you'd like to get
out of shotgun and not being shotgun twenty four to
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seven and you know, in all the weight on his
shoulders at all times throwing the football.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
You know, it's interesting about Burrow is they don't have
much of a run game. And I was saying this,
certain guys just don't get hurt. Eli Manning and Tom
Brady mostly didn't get hurt, and Justin Fields and Joe
Burrow are hurt a lot and I the offensive line
always gets blamed and sometimes a guy blows a left
tackle misses. But when I watched Burrow's injuries, could I
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not argue Joe holds the ball until the last second,
and when you don't have elite blockers, you're prone to
get hurt. That some of this is on Burrow or
a justin fields or quarterbacks Trevor Lawrence has been dinged
up through the years.
Speaker 5 (11:06):
Isn't some of it on the quarterback?
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Well?
Speaker 3 (11:10):
Sure, you know, I always say this that quarterbacks, like sacks,
have become more quarterback driven statistic than they are on
o line driven statistic. In today's game, man, you've got
how many bubble screens, how many swing passes, how many
tunnel screens, how many three step drop game, you know,
your quick game and all that stuff. The balls out
of the quarterback's hands in two and a half seconds
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on a consistent basis. So a lot of that goes
on the quarterback. But the problem that I always have
with Cincinnati is you line them up in shotgun. I
think the first twenty five thirty plays they had two
under center plays, one on the goal line and one
in the open field. They're all shotgun plays, so you're
asking him to basically throw the football from shotgun. When
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you get into gun man, you eliminate a large portion
of your run game you run and play is not
nearly as good out of that. So again I'll go
to the coaching staff and the way they operate as
an offense, They put it all on his shoulders and say,
go win us a football game, Joe.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
So like I would say, what is Joe supposed to do?
Speaker 3 (12:13):
Because that's the offense that you've asked him to create,
or that's the offense that you've asked him to play in.
And so I just think they never ever take a
load off of Joe Burrow. It's always on him. And frankly,
it irritates me that that's the way they operate as
an offense because I think you're wasting one of the
great talents in all the National Football League because you
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don't protect him and you don't take any of the
weight off his shoulders. You have been playing on the
high dive sixty five out of sixty five plays, Hey, Joe,
go win it for us?
Speaker 4 (12:46):
Okay, do it?
Speaker 3 (12:47):
And I don't agree with that philosophy of football.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
Mark Slarra that Denver loss. I'm not going to say
I had money on it, but let's just say the.
Speaker 5 (12:58):
Kids college.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
It was, it was.
Speaker 5 (13:03):
It was good seeing your mark.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
As always, I forget you, buddy. Take care.
Speaker 5 (13:06):
He's got the Commanders and the Raiders.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
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Speaker 1 (13:53):
Oh, I don't know if you guys noticed j mac
usc remains undefeated. I'll tell you if you don't know
about Lincoln Riley and you have questions, Jordan Mayava, that
quarterback in one year has got to be the most
improved quarterback in the country last year, he wouldn't throw
the ball away, tried to extend plays. He's the number
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one rank college quarterback in the country.
Speaker 7 (14:18):
Yeah, so we're counting the win over Perdue that counts.
Speaker 5 (14:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
I don't know if you know about Purdue, but their
engineering department is among the very best. All I'm gonna
say is defensive line best since Pete Carroll.
Speaker 7 (14:34):
I'm just kidding.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
And Lincoln Riley has taken a quarterback from UNLV who
has talent but was mistake prone last year. He has
totally cleaned that kid's game up. Jordan Mayava Jaden Mayova
looks outstanding, Like I didn't think. People ask me before
the season USC fans, what do you think? I'm like,
I don't know if the quarterback works. You know, he
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makes too many mistakes. New guy, like a new player.
Speaker 7 (15:00):
Can you just I know you've committed the schedule to memory,
So can you tell me when their schedule really starts?
Speaker 1 (15:05):
When they play the most the very explosive Michigan State
Spartans this week?
Speaker 5 (15:10):
Oh yeah, Oh, then they play the.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
Most under ratted team in the country, Illinois in the
Viverridge Fridgid Midwest.
Speaker 7 (15:19):
That's a game. Now are you going to that?
Speaker 5 (15:20):
Do you find miss absolutely going?
Speaker 1 (15:22):
I've got my USC red Trojan shoes, very excited.
Speaker 7 (15:25):
I saw those on the on social media. Yes, yes,
well I just you.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Know, by the way they snuck into the rankings at
twenty fifth. They're such an anti USC bias. It's shameful.
Speaker 7 (15:36):
Yeah, everybody loves Notre Dame. They're they're owing to in
their ranked I know.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
It's amazing and that Jmack with the News, No, no,
this is.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
The herd Line News.
Speaker 8 (15:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (15:48):
Right, it's time to talk about those putred Miami Dolphins
zero and two. They actually showed well against the Patriots
that you should have had a shot with a bad interception late,
here's a miss of Tyreek. Tyreek's reaction not good. Mike
McDaniel spoke about the last possession of the game where
two got picked and his job security.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
I got to play call in, but I need to
do a better job supervising all of the orchestration within
our multiple personnel groups.
Speaker 5 (16:16):
So we're to win games.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
You have to win the game, not lose the game, honestly,
and that.
Speaker 5 (16:25):
That is how you lose the game.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Yeah, that proficient and prophetic. It was an interesting game
in which Patriots got Antonio Gibson had a big special
teams kickoff return for a touchdown, and Drake May looks okay,
like he just needs more starts. He doesn't look overwhelmed,
he just looks raw. But overall the Patriots, that's a
(16:51):
big win for them. Now because the Jets look lost.
That's a and now Justin Fields is hurt. So Buffalo
is going to win the division. I had New England
as a Wie card team. They beat Miami in South Florida,
so then that means, oh, Miami falling apart, has to
go up to Foxborough as the weather becomes more frigid.
(17:12):
So it looks like New Engo was a big, big win.
Speaker 5 (17:16):
For New England.
Speaker 7 (17:17):
Mike McDaniel looks like a government employee who lost his
job in the Doze cuts. I mean, he is just
like gaunt and like just dry. And I know it
was cool when they were winning, right, but now he
looks kind of down in the dumps. I'm just wondering
when do they try to trade Tyreek Hill sell any
defender who's not bolted down, Like they just got to
start getting picks. That team needs a full reboot. This
(17:39):
is a tear down to the studs.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
Comes.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
No, we agree, there's a lot of things that aren't working,
but this is a coach, GM scouting department tear to
the studs.
Speaker 7 (17:49):
Okay, I'm reading here. Tua took a veiled shot at
McDaniel's saying, I was frustrated with the communication. The whole
operation was not up to standard. Wow, that's not good.
Why uh debt was that today?
Speaker 2 (18:02):
No?
Speaker 5 (18:03):
I don't know.
Speaker 7 (18:04):
This was apparently after the game. He was disappointed. Like
everybody's trying to deflect blame, right, it's not my fault. Hey,
communication wasn't up to standard. GM is gonna throw the
coach out of the bus. Coach is gonna throw the GM.
It's basically every man for himself at this point in Miami.
Those are fun to watch, so we'll enjoy that. Next
up is the Jags. Collin This is kind of an
interesting one. Okay, we watch on screen here. Liam Cohen
(18:27):
very upset that Trevor Lawrence would sail to pass high
the receiver was open. He's like hit him in the chest.
He's pointing to his chest, and Trevor Lawrence kind of
was like, all right, settle down.
Speaker 4 (18:37):
Listen.
Speaker 7 (18:37):
I don't think this is a huge deal, but the
internet and all these trolls online think this is like,
oh my gosh, Jeff con One, here's Cohen on the situation.
Speaker 8 (18:47):
That was just one throw. I was pissed. You know,
it is what it is. You know, it's not that's emotion,
it's not personal. Ever, we can win with him playing
like that in limiting obviously sleeve the turnovers.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
You know, whether it's whose fault?
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Is it my fall?
Speaker 8 (19:03):
Is a play car or was it a bad design?
Speaker 4 (19:04):
Was it an Aaron throw? Was it a miss block? Right?
Speaker 8 (19:07):
Who knows what that looks like. But I was very
proud of the competitor that he was.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Today some people are complaining that Brian Thomas, the receiver
is avoiding contact.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
What is he doing?
Speaker 7 (19:20):
Man?
Speaker 5 (19:20):
Drop brutal draw?
Speaker 7 (19:21):
It was yesterday.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
There was also a drop in the end zone by
the Jacks on a dip by a different player.
Speaker 5 (19:26):
So again touchdown dropped and.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Uh, you know, could could have been a play that
ended up in the end zone dropped, So I didn't.
I'm not blaming Trevor Lawrence for yesterday.
Speaker 7 (19:37):
One hundred percent agree. Again, this is like people who
are box score watching? Just a reminder, Jags are up
three inside the Bengals ten yard line.
Speaker 5 (19:45):
Yeah, with like four minutes.
Speaker 7 (19:47):
Less, Okay, you could kick and go up six. I
don't advocate that, right, that's stupid. You're gonna lose on
a touchdown or you just get five yards, you know,
and they and they couldn't get it. Disappointing and then
you know, Browning takes it to the the field. Let's
not overreact. People want to dump Trevor Lawrence after this.
I'm like, I know he had the end of the
pick and he wasn't great, but like Travis Hunter had
(20:08):
a brutal passer referits call on fourth down, Yeah, I
mean that wins the game. It was a dicey call.
I'm not stelling my Liam Cohen stock. You guys can sell.
I'm sticking with this guy. I think he's a winner.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
Colin, second week in a row. The one o'clock window
on the red zone. Oh gosh, chaos, just chaos at
the end of games.
Speaker 7 (20:28):
All right, final story, Colin, I want to save some
room for this. I'm obsessed with this. So LSU beats
Florida twenty to ten. LS you did not look good.
Their MVP was basically the punter. But afterward the press
conference opened, the first question really ticked off Brian and
Kelly Colin.
Speaker 5 (20:44):
This is classic.
Speaker 7 (20:45):
Listen, take a listen, you.
Speaker 9 (20:47):
Micro you're looking at this from the wrong perspective. LSU
won the football game, won the game. I don't know
what you want from me. What do you want? You
wants to win seven nothing against Florida to keep you happy.
There's some ridiculous questions and I'm getting tired of it.
That football team just work their tail off to get
(21:11):
an SEC win. And you want to know what's wrong.
You know what, You're spoiled. You're spoiled.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
Well, not ideal, although the players probably love it. I mean,
welcome to the SEC and welcome to the media. I
would say his players love that support. I mean LSU
beat Clemson that does not look as impressive now and
Florida's not very good. So what they're doing is they're
they're kind of narrowly beating teams that are not very good.
Speaker 5 (21:45):
But that's the SEC.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
And I think now, I do think college teams have
a right to get better. We know in the NFL
that teams get better. I mean Bill Belichick during the dynasty,
New England wasn't a dominating September team and college.
Speaker 5 (21:59):
Team get better. So I don't know.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
I LSU is a good football team. They're not an
undefeated football team eventually, but they've got a pro quarterback,
a more than capable coach. And also, you know, Florida
had just lost a game, this was embarrassing, So Florida
is probably going into that game with absolute urgency and
(22:23):
defending themselves, the pride of the program, the pride of Gainesville.
So you're probably got an incredib bad throw by Nessmar terribly. Yeah,
but you're probably getting an inspired effort by a team
that just got humiliated. And those are the worst kind
of teams to play. So it's not apples to apples.
But the Eagles had what two hundred and fifteen yards.
Speaker 7 (22:40):
Of offense in Kansas City. Imagine if the first question
Jalen hurt Scott was like, hey, you threw for one
hundred yards? What's wrong with the offense? Jalen Hurts would
have calmly been like, we got to win, that's what matters.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Now.
Speaker 7 (22:54):
Brian Kelly is like what what stop it?
Speaker 5 (22:56):
What's right? You know?
Speaker 7 (22:57):
And I kind of like that that emotion there.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Coaches to a fault, you know, the richest paid state employee. Yes,
tend to be very tribal and very provincial and very protective.
Whereas and I've always given Jalen Hurts and Dak the
complement of when those guys step at the podium, no
matter how dumb the question, Dak or Jalen Hurts handle it.
Some of these college coaches are so wound up and
(23:20):
it's such a pressure cooker, especially in the SEC, they
just lose their mind when.
Speaker 5 (23:26):
A reporter goes after him.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
I mean, we've already seen Sark get worked up at
the podium and Brian Kelly get worked up at the podium.
And that's the reality. There's a ton of pressure. You know,
the player graduates and move on. Yeah, the coach has
to deal with boosters and the ad and the fans
and talk radio. So these college football coaches get worked
up very quickly.
Speaker 7 (23:46):
And your great point, he has the run of the
state right now. Nobody can question Brian Kelly. Now they
have Southeast Louisiana next, that's a dub. But then they
go to Ole Miss. That's a big one against your guy.
Lane Kiffin. I'm very If they lose that, it's gonna
be open season on Brian Kelly. If he wins that,
you know he's going to be like, hey, what's up.
Speaker 5 (24:04):
We took down lane Kiffin.
Speaker 7 (24:06):
What do you want from me? Now?
Speaker 2 (24:07):
You know?
Speaker 7 (24:07):
Like, so this schedule is a gauntlet. Okay, the Texas
A and M, Alabama, Oklahoma. I mean they got some
brutal game. Vanderbilt is no pushover. I know you're up
on Vanderbilt. No vanderdil this year. Vanderdort can play A
and M's tough. Alabama now seems to have their act together.
They're not winning a ten or eleven games with the schedule.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
There's just no your data, typical SEC schedule at Ole
Miss at Vandy, at Bama at Old Olaha, Oklahoma. Yeah,
Oklahoma's good. Oklahoma's defense juniors and seniors, and they have
a quarterback. So by the way, Lincoln Riley and Brent
Venables seem to have righted the ship a little bit.
One's got their offense humming and the defensive guy and
(24:49):
Oklahoma's got his defense humming. So it looks like they
both took a couple of years. And if you watched
Oklahoma and USC. They do look more stabilized with very
good quarterback.
Speaker 7 (25:00):
And I know some people in this building who are
happy you just brought this back to USC to close
the segment. Trojins, Hey, how about them?
Speaker 5 (25:08):
Very interesting?
Speaker 1 (25:09):
No, I mean Oklahoma and USC a couple of years ago,
we didn't know if they had the right coach.
Speaker 4 (25:13):
That's good.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
But I think USC's offense and Oklahoma's defense, you're like, yeah,
that works, that plays those are potential playoff teams, saying
they're getting there. I don't think we'll see what Notre
Dame is. I looked at that as an l for
the Trojans in South Bend. We'll just wait and see,
wait and see what happened.
Speaker 5 (25:30):
Jmck with a new.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
Well, that's the news, and thanks for stopping back the
Herd Line news.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
The star quarterback in the NFL not Joe Burrow, but
a star quarterback.
Speaker 5 (25:42):
Couldn't miss Next week. We'll give you an update in that.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
Next be sure to catch live editions of The Herd
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Radio FS one and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
All Right, the Washington Commanders their Sunday game against the Raiders.
Raiders plays that out against the rival Chargers Division game.
Jaden Daniels may not play. It's got a knee injury.
Status is up in the air, not serious, but Jaden
Daniels may not play. Now, there were Jmack, there were
rumors last week people were saying he was limping, he
looked something was off. Well, now it's been validated that
Jaden Daniels is not one hundred percent. So the big
(26:22):
concernment he had when he came into the league was
not that he didn't have the maturity or accuracy or
ability to move. The big concern was he is kind
of thin, kind of a Teddy Bridgewater build, and people
worried about his durability in the NFL. So he got
banged up a little bit last year, he got banged up.
This year he's fine. My guess is he probably plays
(26:42):
the other one. We're at Week three and next week
Jake browning back up to Joe Burrow will play against
Carson Wentz back up to JJ McCarthy. So reportedly today
JJ McCarthy has been ruled out for Sunday's game against
the Bengals due to an ankle injury. AJ McCarthy who
got injured last year, right, remember it couldn't play last
(27:03):
year because of an injury. He is now in week three,
injured again, and he's getting popped. And one of the
knocks on McCarthy I think through two weeks is he
holds the ball too long. So j Night again, what
is injury prone? I think it's fair to say Joe
Burrow may have to change his style a bit. He's
injury prone. Justin Fields banged up again, he may have
(27:25):
to change his style. So JJ McCarthy now has a
serious injury, could not play last year. We're in week three,
can't play again. So it's something I said before Sam
Darnold came into this league. Sam held the ball too long.
H too often ran into traffic, he got banged up.
Justin Herbert first two years in the league was putting
a shoulder down and going in the linebackers.
Speaker 5 (27:48):
You can't do that. So I'm not blaming anybody.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
But Week three Vikings Bengals is a backup quarterback game already.
Speaker 7 (27:56):
And Colin it's a great point. This is why gms
and coaches want their quarterbacks to win from the pocket.
We don't want you're running. A lot of bad things
could happen when you're on the run. The problem is
Burrow got hurt in the pocket. It appears as if
McCarthy got hurt in the pocket. What is this is
about the offensive line? Colin Minnesota's offensive line banged up,
missing the left tackle and the center got concussed. Bengo's
(28:18):
offensive line is a joke. If you don't protect your
expensive investment, this is on you, right. I mean, I
can't feel bad for these teams losing their quarterbacks. Washington
went out and got tunsled. They did the right thing
and Daniel still got hurt. But down four starters already
heading into week three is not great for the NFL five.
We'll see what happens with fields and the concussion.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
Yeah, the I mean, I guess I look, I think
about definitive opinion. If I'm trying to think of definitive
opinions I have through three weeks. One of them is
Caleb and Ben Johnson is a weird fit. And I mean,
they upgraded their own line and it still feels like
he's under constant duress. That Bears offense is a weird fit.
(29:03):
The Indianapolis Colts have a really good roster and Daniel
Jones and Shane Stike and you can say what you want,
but he plays now with a much more confidence. I
think Indy's just got better offensive personnel than people think.
I mean, Pittman, Pierce, this tight end from Penn State
after the catch Hallo was a handful of Jonathan Taylor's
(29:27):
a top five running back. So it's like they had
the coach we liked. So I think Indianapolis is one
of those where we're like, you know what, when you
watch them play Denver, you didn't feel like Denver had
a significantly better roster, you know, I mean because Peyton
is considered a better coach than Stichan and bo Nick
you think is better than Daniel Jones. But as Mark
Schlera said, Indy controlled the lines of scrimmage.
Speaker 5 (29:51):
So I think Indy.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
One of my opinions through two weeks is Indy is
better than I gave them credit for.
Speaker 7 (29:56):
They have looked that way so far. Yes, how about
this one? So Daniel Jones was cooking, like you said,
the backup is Anthony Richardson. There was chatter that his
agents were like, hey, can we get Anthony Richardson somewhere else.
How about this Washington's backup to Daniels's Marcus Mariota, two
running quarterbacks. If you're Washington, why not try to take
a flyer on Anthony Richardson. Just try to steal him
(30:19):
from the Colts. Hey, you guys aren't using him. We'll
take Anthony Richardson for I don't whatever you want, fourth
or fifth round pick?
Speaker 5 (30:25):
Oh, I wouldn't.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
I wouldn't give up a fourth round pick for Anthony Richardson.
Speaker 7 (30:29):
You don't think he can fetch that?
Speaker 1 (30:31):
Marcus Mariota is a great kid. I think that ship
has sailed. I don't think Listen, ask yourself. Look at
what Shane Steichen has done to Daniel Jones, and Anthony
Richardson was struggling to complete fifty five percent of his throats.
Speaker 4 (30:47):
That's fair.
Speaker 7 (30:48):
The counter, Colin, is that.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
We and again the Colts, their offensive personnel appears to
be good. Anthony Richardson, they gave up on him. Well,
that's the problem, though. Baker Mayfield second, third, fourth chance, Oh,
he's awesome. Sam Darnold, third chance, Oh, this is our guy.
I mean, look at Daniel Jones. He looks better than
he ever looked with the Giants. Is that?
Speaker 7 (31:11):
Would you agree? Some of these quarterbacks? It just takes time.
So if you're a value shopper with stocks, you buy low.
Anthony Richardson's very low. Now, can some smart oc Cliff
Kingsbury fix him if you need him.
Speaker 5 (31:23):
I don't know if he's fixable.
Speaker 7 (31:25):
Oh I do. That's harsh. He started like twenty games.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
Maybe, But Daniel, if you go back and I don't
know what they are, go back and look at Daniel Jones.
He won a playoff game goldd His in Minnoa, New
York and they didn't have a very good roster. When
I watched Daniel Jones yesterday against the Broncos pass rush,
he had a run game, he had time to throw.
It felt like he was throwing on second and five.
I mean, seriously, it was like the Colts were in
(31:50):
a perpetual second and five.
Speaker 5 (31:53):
It's hard to struggle.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
I think Indy's just got better personnel than we think, right,
And they came in and Indy came into this game
by after Patrick Sertan they attacked him. Yes, I mean.
Speaker 5 (32:07):
Had really didn't do anything.
Speaker 7 (32:09):
So Daniel Jones was remember his nickname was Vanilla Vick
with the Giants because he was more of a runner.
Now they're rebranding him as Indiana Jones. I don't know
if you saw this during the broadcast. He's Indiana Jones.
He's daring and he's actually winning. He looks like a
better thrower. Let me adjust that better thrower now than
he ever did with the Giants. Kid fifteen touchdown passes
(32:29):
or something crazy?
Speaker 5 (32:30):
All right, the Colts have a better O line.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
Yeah, then, and it starts with that than a better
old line than the Giants. I think Andrew Thomas left
tackle with the Giants is good. He is hurt all
the time and the backup is not good. I'm not
sure if it's an NFL player. So, I mean a
lot of the Colts success is they protect Daniel Jones
and he's got tremendous weapons. But I'll give Daniel Jones credit.
(32:57):
He made a couple of throws up the left side.
Speaker 5 (33:00):
But you were like, oh, those are big boy throws.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
But again, when you have confidence, when you have time,
when it's second and five, when the defense, the linebackers
have to be honest and there's a cushion, makes a
lot of quarterbacks look good.
Speaker 5 (33:11):
We'll see them all.
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