September 29, 2025 • 31 mins
Special guest Robert Griffin III (RGIII) joins the show to analyze the rising star power of Oregon quarterback Dante Moore, and explains why AJ Brown is a key offensive weapon for the Philadelphia Eagles defending their Super Bowl title
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Well, it was NFL. Remember this offensive rookie of the year.
He was a Heisman Trophy winner eight years in the league.
Now Fox Sports, he's got the cowboy hat on. He
is ready to go RG three. Robert Griffin is now
joining US live. It was a cowboy hat weekend. I'll
tell you that. It was nuts Saturday and Sunday. Let's
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go back to Saturday. I said this when Nick Saban left,
Robert I said, Kaylin de Bor was the best, most
courageous higher you could do, because it would have been easy.
He'd go, oh, let's get let's go get Dan. He's
from the South, let's go get Dabbo. He's got a
Bama connection. And Greg Burns like, now I'm gonna go
all the over to the Pacific northwest to and I said
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that takes guts. The Bama people didn't want to hear it.
I thought, Robert, he out coached Kirby Smart. I thought
that was a coaching classic. What do you make of
Bama's win on the road.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Well, you're making a lot of great points there, Colin,
and that's why you're in the position that you were in.
And I'm gonna, first of all want to say thank
you for having me on the show. Completely honored to
share the airways with you. But when you look at
Kaylen de Boor, I agree with you, he did out
coach Kirby Smart, but it was more than that. I
thought that Kaylen de Boor has always been a hell
of a football coach. He's won every single way that
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he's been and for him to take on the challenge
of replacing the greatest college football coach of all time,
some might argue the greatest coach of all time and
Nick Saban lets you know how much he believes.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
In himself and his staff.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
But after the loss to Florida State, I thought he
was self aware. He understood, you know what, I'm not
getting it done the way that I need to get
it done here at Alabama, and he changed his identity
and for a coach who's won in multiple different places
to make that admission and step in and say, you
know what, we're going to come up with a new slogan.
We're going to say, don't let up, no mercy. Why
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did he say that, It's because Alabama had kind of
lost its luster a little bit, it had lost its
fear that it had put into people's souls when they
stepped on the field with them, and his quarterback, Ty Simpson,
stepped up to the podium, took full responsibility and said.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
I will be better. And he's been better.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
He's been one of the best quarterbacks in all the
college football. So I wonder what the Alabama fans are
saying now.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Right Listen, success is hard and it doesn't always happen quickly.
I always joke Saban lost the Louisiana Monroe's first year
and got smoked by Utah his second year. Now, he
took over a bit of a mess, But it's hard
to take over Alabama.
Speaker 5 (02:55):
The nil, the portal. You're losing, guys.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Now, I want to talk about I said going into
the year, I liked Drew Aller's potential. I watched Dante Moore,
Robert if I had a number one pick in the draft,
I would take Dante Moore. That kid's composure. I mean,
you played in this league. I was blown I mean
I thought he was good. I was blown away by him.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
What say you yed? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (03:18):
Dante Moore is climbing up of draft boards faster than
any quarterback in the country right now, and it's because
he proved one simple thing.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
He proved that the tools that he has.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
Can travel to a big time playoff atmosphere, and that
his poise overcomes all of it. When you look at
Dante Moore there at the end of the game, when
they needed him the most, he went on the play
action boot leg. We call him naked when you don't
have a backside blocker. He stepped up in the pocket
and he hit Gary Bryant for a touchdown. When his
team needed him the most, he stood tall. And when
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I watch his tape, what I'm so impressed by is
the simple fact that he transferred from UCLA to go
sit for a year at Oregon behind Dylan Gabriel. It
shows me that he understands he needed to be developed.
He understood that it takes patience to make that happen.
And what do you see when you watch the tape,
you see calm feet in the pocket. You see him
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staying in rhythm, not forcing the football to any one
particular guy, but allowing the ball to go where it's
supposed to go on each play versus each coverage. NFL
coaches absolutely love this young man. Fourteen to one touchdown
interception ratio. Eight guys in this big time matchup caught
a pass from him. It lets you know that he's
processing it well. And in today's modern NFL you have
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to be able to operate in the pocket, but you
also have to have off schedule answers. And Dante Moore
has that. He showed that with his ability to run,
with his ability to extend plays. So I'm right there
with you. He could very well be the number one
pick in the draft.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Okay, well, one more college question. Then I want to
go to some NFL stuff where I think you'll have
a really great perspective. So I defended Lincoln Riley I
was at this game. I defend him scoring with a
minute fifty five left, because I think when you're on
the road, you don't get cute like if you can
get into the end zone, get into the end zone.
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The bigger issue is they brought Deanton Lynn on as
a decordinator a couple of years ago, and I thought
he was tremendous. And the defense is getting softer. And
I don't necessarily blame the DC. I don't know if
it's because of the way they practice. They're now getting
pushed around by Illinois, and I know the kind of
I mean, I'm sorry, Robert.
Speaker 5 (05:29):
I know what their.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Nil money is and I know what they recruit that
shouldn't happen.
Speaker 5 (05:34):
Who do you blame?
Speaker 1 (05:35):
Is it this offense that maybe at practice you don't
develop toughness. But I feel like, oh, here we go again,
another Lincoln defense that can't make stops.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
And I know you know this very well, Colin.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
You're out there, you're around a lot, you're around the program,
and when I look at this defense, I agree with you.
I think that it's the defense that's holding them back.
Look against Illinois gave up twelve point four or twelve
point six yards per attempt to Luke Altmeyer and that
Illinois offense. You're not going to win in those situations. Yes,
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they're getting a ton of sacks, but they're giving up
way too many big plays. In the secondary. And I
was able to call their game against Michigan State with
Jason Bennetti and a Lex Atlantistoy. Amazing crew that we
have there for college football, and they dominated that game
in Michigan State. And I agree with you, it's not
the nil. It's not that they don't have the playmakers.
This team is field with's high level recruits. But in
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my talks last week with Kyle Whittingham, the head coach
at Utah, he talked about how it's almost impossible to
have a great defense when you truly have an up
tempo offense. Why cause it's putting your defense out there
on the field more often.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
For Utah, they averaged some of the.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
Fewest plays played per game for their defense, and he
really believes that the longer your defense is out on
the field, the more opportunities you're going to give up
in explosives that they're going to get and guys who
aren't fresh don't play well.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
They say, fatigue makes cowards of us all.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
So I wonder if that's a question that Lincoln Riley
has to ask himself, because at the end of the day,
it all falls on him, Colin, he's the head coach.
He's the high price, money making guy that was brought
in there to make them a championship contender.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
So make the decision.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
Are you going to go truly all the way up
tempo and score as many points as you possibly can,
like we used to do back at Baylor in the day,
or are you going to try to play this game
where you kind of slow it down to help your
defense not be on the field as much. I think
I know the answer to that. I think you do
as well. They're probably just going to try to outscore everybody.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
So I want to shift to the NFL because you
were a profoundly athletic. You could move, you could throw,
and I think Caleb has both of those. And somebody
told me years ago, they said, listen, if you're born
with a great singing voice, or develop it at an
early age, you'll sing in the car, you'll sing in
the shower. You'll sing because God gave it to you
and it's special. And I think there's a burden being
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a great running quarterback. Steve Young years to develop the
pocket stuff because he was so damn athletic. And I
watched Caleb and I watched Ben, and I think Ben's
a structure guy, and I think Caleb can play in structure,
but man, he's got horse power. And go back to
your career, how do you balance well, I can take
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off and get a lot of these first downs with Okay,
play with the coach's structure. Is it a fight when
you have the ability to move.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
I wouldn't say it's a fight when you have the
ability to move, But you gotta have the right relationship
between the head coach and the quarterback. So right now,
when I look at at Ben Johnson and Caleb Williams,
I feel like they're the perfect Yin and Yang. Caleb
is delaid back, you know, gonna wear the funny, funny
clothes and not be super hight type of quarterback. And
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Ben Johnson is the type of guy who's gonna stare
a hole through a sideline reporter if they ask him
a question about his offense. Okay, that that Yin and
Yang to me works for them because Caleb lacks Ben
Johnson has in what Ben Johnson lacks, Caleb has. Now,
when you look at the last two weeks for them,
he throws four touchdowns and literally eviscerates the Cowboys defense.
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He's feeling good about himself. Well, guess what happened this
week against the Raiders. Wasn't the cleanest game, but in
late game execution, he goes and he leads his team
on a game winning drive. I still believe that Caleb
Williams is learning how to not color outside of the lines.
But they're finding ways to win games, and that's going
to make that growth process even better. The more they win,
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the more success they have, the more belief they're going
to have in one another, and the more belief this
team is going to happen one another. You can see
him celebrating on the sideline and feeling good about themselves.
That goes a long way. Winning cures all in. The
Bears right now at two and two are winning.
Speaker 5 (09:49):
So I listen.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
Aj Brown is showing to me a great patience because
I mean.
Speaker 5 (09:55):
Here is we got to give him credit like he's read.
I don't care if he's reading a book.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Every time they put a mic in front of him,
he's very patient. He says the right thing, and I
think to myself, they targeted him nine times yesterday they're trying.
We got seven yards and it worked against the Rams
because the Rams could use length and physicality. It's the
only weakness on the Rams that they don't have a
kind of physical corner. They let Jalen Ramsey go. They're
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a little small, they don't have that, so it works.
But I'm watching yesterday and my takeaway is this is
a long season. Robert and AJ's being real patient. I
don't know if this thing. Would you consider because they're
so deep, would you consider saying, listen, we need another corner.
Speaker 5 (10:41):
It's just not vital to our offense.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
We're gonna move AJ get a draft pick in a
corner or do you ad just put your head down
and try to make it work. It's like a marriage.
It can't be this hard. You shouldn't have to go
to therapy every day. It just feels like it doesn't fit.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
Yeah, it's the dilemma you get in when you have
a guy like Jalen Hurts, who I do believe is
the top five quarterback in the NFL because he makes
the winning plays, and sometimes the winning play, unfortunately for
the Philadelphia Eagles, is not throwing the football to AJ Brown,
or at least throwing it to him and not completing it.
(11:20):
It's one of the more confusing things that happened this
weekend for me, because when their offense is clicking, who
is the guy that is really making it go. It's
not Jalen Hurts. It's honestly, right now this year, not
Saquon Barkley. It's AJ Brown. When they put up points,
AJ Brown is involved. When they have to make a
drastic comeback like they did last week, AJ Brown is involved.
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So I honestly don't put this on Jalen Hurts. I
put it on their offensive coordinator. You have to find
ways to get him easy completions. I always use this
analogy when we call games. You see a team go
on a fifteen play drive and they've got a couple
trick plays, and they got a bunch of different crazy
things that they're trying to make it work. And it's
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like in a basketball game, you see the teams that
do the thumbs down bounce passes right and they get
the open guys to the basket and they make the
easy layups. Well, right now, the Eagles aren't doing that.
They're not making the easy plays. They're not getting him
the easy screen catches, lining them up in the slot
and having them run option routes, keeping him away from
double teams and not just putting him on an island
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on the outside where they can roll coverage to them.
They have to find ways to get him that easy
cut to the basket where he can make the easy
layups early in the game.
Speaker 4 (12:32):
So you're not looking at him in the third quarter like, hey, Aj,
where you at.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
He's like, I don't know. You're not getting me easy completions, guys.
I'm a dynamic player. You see when he has the
ball in his hands, how special he is. That is
the job of the offensive coordinator. It is not the
job of the quarterback to force the ball to Aj Brown.
So we don't have these conversations on the national airways.
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Speaker 1 (13:33):
This is where I defend pro athletes. I can do
my radio TV thing forever. But if you're Aj Brown,
you may have six years in this league to be
a star. And you know, in baseball again, you can
play to your thirty six. In basketball, you know a
guy can shoot, you can stay in the league forever.
I get AJ Brown being you know, I mean, I
think he's showing.
Speaker 5 (13:55):
I don't know. I think it's tough.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
I don't think fans quite understand how hard it is
to be this gifted and have seven yards.
Speaker 5 (14:02):
Yeah, it's hard.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
Colin would be like, uh, you know Kobe Bryant, and
You're like, you know what, We're not going to give
him thirty shots tonight.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
We're gonna we're gonna.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
Give him five, you know what I mean, Like that,
that's never going to work. You saw how aggressive Kobe
was when he played the game. So for AJ Brown,
my only the only reason I don't say trade him
and get him out of out of Philadelphia is because
when it comes down to it, when you get late
in the season, when you get into the early rounds
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of the playoffs and potentially try to get to another
super Bowl to make yourself a dynasty, it's not going
to be about the ex'es and the o's. It's going
to be about the Jimmy's and the Joe's. And the
Eagles are a better football team when aj Brown is
on it than than they are when he isn't. So
that to me is why right now you gotta focus
on the ex's and the o's, and your ex'es and
o's aren't good enough because your best player is not
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getting the football.
Speaker 5 (14:58):
You're tremendous.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
Robert Griffin knowses college does his college and pro stuff.
You know, met you years ago at a volume party.
If I recall you and your is correct, and it's
great seeing you again. I'd love to have you on again.
Thank you so much.
Speaker 4 (15:13):
No appreciate you having me on, Colin, and I'm on
in to be your team made brother.
Speaker 5 (15:16):
All right, that's great stuff, some good points.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
You know. It is interesting that he used Kobe Bryant,
and that's the I think we had talked about this
a couple of weeks ago. Like you know, in most
professions you're an accountant, you're going to be in like
you can have prime years for fifteen years a painter.
But there are professions like you got about six years
in the NFL because of all the injuries. You got
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about six years, about twenty four to thirty for a receiver,
those maybe thirty one. Those are your big years. So
I get the frustration.
Speaker 5 (15:49):
Jmack with the news.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
Heard on the news.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
This is the herd Line News.
Speaker 6 (15:55):
All right, Colin, let's revisit that Bears Raiders finish just
gut punch for me and anybody who had the Raiders.
But I will say, listen, it came down to a
game winning field goal. All these seemed to go against
me this year. Here's the call of the blocked kick
by the Bears.
Speaker 5 (16:12):
It's good snappers kind of blocked.
Speaker 6 (16:14):
Bears blocked the kick.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
They blocked the field goal on fourth to three for
thirty two seconds to go in the game.
Speaker 6 (16:22):
The Bears blocked the kick.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
They're gonna sneak out of Allegiate Stadium for the twenty
five twenty four win.
Speaker 6 (16:30):
Yeah, go ahead, I know you're excited. You're ear Bears
with the big win. They're your Bears now right, They're
not mine, they're yours.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
Not all wins are pretty, Buffalo yesterday did not play well.
Not all wins are pretty. I mean when Baker led
to come from behind winn against Atlanta, that's one of
the ugliest wins of the year.
Speaker 5 (16:48):
So take them big picture.
Speaker 4 (16:50):
Okay.
Speaker 6 (16:51):
Well this last week you went and said Bears eight
to nine. Okay, Well, a lot of things changed around
the league this week. Because it's a week to week league.
I don't want to get dramatic here, but that win
could be you know, the impetus for a bit of
a run here, so they get to buy. Then they
come out against Washington. Michael Pennix just went up and
down the field against Washington. That defense is going to
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get exposed. Okay, they're not great, Colin. After that, it's
the Saints, and we know the Bears are probably gonna
be favorite to win that one outdoors. That Ravens game,
I don't know what's up with Lamar. I don't know
what's up with the defense. Sure, the Ravens are gonna
be favorite at home, but I don't think they're a
slam dunk to win that, and you start looking at
that and you're like, oh, we don't have to face
Joe Burrow in week nine, you know. So I'm not
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saying Bears are going to the playoffs, but I'm I'm
just pointing out, like that win showed me, like Kayleb
Williams is growing. There is definitely growth from week one
to week four.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
There's some real I mean Washington, New Orleans, Baltimore and
Cincinnati out of the by are defenses that are trying
to find their way.
Speaker 6 (17:52):
Baltimore's debt was down six or seven, sorry, six to seven, huh,
six or seven defensive starters midway through that game against Chiefs.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
And then they face a series of teams that aren't
offensively consistent Giants, Vikings, Steelers, Philadelphia.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
Well J J.
Speaker 6 (18:06):
McCarthy will be back for that Vikings game.
Speaker 5 (18:08):
So that's what I'm my point.
Speaker 6 (18:12):
So all of a sudden, you're like, oh, is there
a world that you know the early buy because their
secondary is beat up and I think the good cornerback
who had one of the interceptions yesterday got dinged up late.
I'm not saying they go in playoffs, but I'm saying
there is certainly optimism off that win.
Speaker 5 (18:27):
Right, Oh, I think absolutely. I think you feel great
if you're Chicago.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
They haven't.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
They've been a terrible road team for like ever, but
I mean under eber Flus they were the league's worst
road team. So you just take it and get I
guarantee you that flight from Vegas to Chicago was a
great flight to be on.
Speaker 6 (18:46):
Yeah, certainly. All right, Let's go to Monday night football
Colin Jets Dolphins tonight. Justin Fields is cleared from concussion protocol.
He's ready to go. Dolphins are favored by two and
a half. I'll just I'm on the over here. I
don't love anything about either of these defenses. Jets defense
has sneakily regressed badly. It's early, and the Dolphins historically
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with Tua have moved the football and these guys, so
I'm over forty four and a half. I don't really
have a feel on the side. There's this Anthony Weaver
video going around, he's the defensive coordinator of the Dolphins,
about how him talking about we're gonna be violent on defense.
We're coming out fired up. We'll see what Breece Hall
has to say. About that, But I think this could
be a really good game. I'll go thirty to twenty seven.
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Somebody wins. I don't know them.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Yeah, I think. I think you're in the right space.
I think there's gonna be a lot of points. And
I think Denver, which has should have two more wins,
has kind of played with their food. I think Denver
plays well tonight offensively, and they have not this year.
Speaker 6 (19:49):
All right, final story is college football where your guy
Donte Moore outduled the immortal Drew Aller, Poor Drew Aller.
He ends the Notre Dame playoff game with that bad
pick and then just an abomination of an interception in
overtime James Franklin, and I don't think you could kill
James Franklin for this, but he was.
Speaker 5 (20:10):
He did.
Speaker 6 (20:10):
They did have a bad start. I think they were.
They were stuck on three points for most of the game.
Franklin talked about his woes against top ten opponents, and
he owned it in the postgame. I get that narrative,
and it's really not a narrative.
Speaker 5 (20:26):
It's it's factual. It's the facts.
Speaker 7 (20:29):
I get it, you know, But I try to look
at the entire picture and what we've been able to
do here. But at the end of the day, we
got to find a way to win those games. I
totally get it. They're passionate and when we win, there's
nothing better. When we lose, there's nothing worse. So I
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get it. I get the frustration that comes with a
fan base that has invested and cares.
Speaker 5 (20:59):
Yeah, my take his you're at home.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
You have the best backfield in the country, a top
five offensive line, and you have really good defensive personnel.
Speaker 5 (21:08):
To me, that's a game you have to win. And
they didn't.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
And I've defended James Franklin, but you got to win
that game. I mean, Dante Moore had not played in
an environment like that. Oregon's young, Oregon's a college team
traveling three thousand whatever, three thousand miles whatever it is.
That's a game you gotta win. Like it's not Bama Georgia.
Georgia doesn't have to win that. Georgia has won a
lot of big games. Ohio State's won a lot of
big games. That's a game you get, Oregon, That's that's
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the biggest stadium Dante More has ever played in. You
got you got a ball control offense, and I thought
Drew Aller just looked pedestrian.
Speaker 6 (21:42):
Yeah, they too conservatively, Colin, there was no imagination in that.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
That's the knock on James strength when he recruits. But
it's not a lot of there's not a lot of
you know, there's not a lot of juice.
Speaker 6 (21:55):
He did not feel like like a mini Pacquiao fight
where neither side wanted to make a mistake and it
was just very safe boxing throughout. I'm like, dude, you're
at home. You got the white out. I'd get that
for Oregon.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
Like if I was Oregon, I'd go into the first
quarter and I would feel out. I think that's one
of those games. If I was Penn State, I'd have
trick plays. I would put the pressure on Oregon. And
I thought Penn State played a little bit like a
road team. And it's like, no, no, no, you're at
home most of the time in college football. When two
good teams meet, take the home team. In the NFL,
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it doesn't matter, they say, now the NFL home crowd
is worth a point.
Speaker 5 (22:31):
I think I think.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Penn State that's a seven eight point advantage. Dan Lanning
admitted that after the game, and I think.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
You go in.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
If you're Penn State and you you take big cuts.
Speaker 6 (22:43):
As I remembered this play, I think it was seventeen
to three Colin in the third quarter, Oregon was rolling
like you can't have that now. Final note is you
have just repeat your national championship right now? Is it Oregon?
Speaker 5 (22:54):
And who I would say?
Speaker 1 (22:55):
If I had to bet right now, I'd say Ohio
State based on what I've seen, Ohio State, Oregon. I
can't trust Penn State. I mean, if you lose to
Oregon at home there, I can't trust you. And Texas
isn't good enough offense?
Speaker 6 (23:07):
Can I give you a sleeper?
Speaker 4 (23:09):
Bama?
Speaker 6 (23:10):
The note, Well, Alabama's for sure. The Notre Dame fighting
Irish mister Carr, Oh, he looks amazing in Antem country.
Speaker 5 (23:18):
That's Arkansas.
Speaker 6 (23:20):
But still, I mean, Arkansas is a good SEC team.
They just fired their coach, I know, but still, come on, man,
it's Carr, a young quarterback going into Arkansas. You can't
go to Fayett Villain.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
I want the highlights of that game. Arkansas played with
eight players defense stop it football.
Speaker 6 (23:37):
Dame had forty two at the half. Listen, man, it
was impressive. Carr. He might be like a top five
quarterback in the country. It's Beck, Dante Moore and I
think Simpson for sure, right from Alabama.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
If you ask GMS, I'll text one after the show.
I can't believe Dante Moore would not be the number
one pick.
Speaker 6 (23:56):
He looks like he's ready to go in the NFL.
He was rolling out. I mean that kid looked now
that kid.
Speaker 5 (24:00):
And he was a five star recruit.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
I think out of Michigan he went, I think ended
up Ucla than Oregon.
Speaker 5 (24:06):
He sat, so he's got some maturity.
Speaker 6 (24:08):
Imagine that sitting for a year helped huh Art set
for how many Okay.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
That was a I'm telling you, in college football, that
is a hard place to win an Oregon coach. If
you have a great coach and a great quarterback in college,
you can win anywhere. And I think that's what Bama has.
I think that Tys Simpson's really I don't think he's
Dante Moore, but he's good.
Speaker 6 (24:31):
He's throwing darts.
Speaker 5 (24:33):
Just like Jackson did. J Mack with the news, Well.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
That's the news and thanks for stopping by.
Speaker 5 (24:40):
The herd Line News show is flying by boy.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
The show after us today is going to have a
lot of nuance, a lot of contextualization on Kansas City
hammering Baltimore. Now, I like Kansas City in that game,
I said, if you get me three, I would have
put it in my blazing five.
Speaker 5 (24:58):
But that was.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
I mean, I Mahomes hasn't done that for over two years.
Speaker 5 (25:07):
Just seven on seven, pitch and catch. It's the hurt.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd weekdays
and noone Eastern, not a em Pacific.
Speaker 5 (25:17):
A couple of month of the night football games tonight.
Speaker 6 (25:19):
Like j Mack, I.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
Think the Jets the Dolphins over is the play and
actually I'll uh, I'll take a favorite Denver at home
offensive sputtered. I think Sean Payton will get it right.
Speaker 6 (25:33):
Why don't we Why don't we make it interesting? Since
you're gonna be out here soon? Why do we make
it interesting? You want a little wager on what I
don't know, Let's go Jets. You you love Mike McDaniel
and two, I'll take Jets.
Speaker 5 (25:46):
I don't love Mike McDaniel and TOOA or the GM now.
Speaker 6 (25:52):
Or the odor for the stadium.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
I like going to Fort Lauderdale in Miami. I don't
like the football team. It was just funny yesterday the
base fall playoffs. Regular season's over. Steve Cohen's owned the
Mets forever. They've missed the playoffs three times and got
bounced in the wildcard round. They literally were the only
team in baseball that did not have a ninth and
income from behind wind with all that money, all that
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Steve Balmer with the Clippers, all that money, playoff disappointment.
Everybody fears money. The both New York teams stink in
the NFL, though, Giants feel pretty good today. Everybody worries
about money, and here you got you know, you start
looking around sports right now. Milwaukee's the best team in baseball.
They swept the Dodgers earlier this year. Best team in baseball,
great bullpen, good starting staff, hit. I'm just telling you,
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it's a Watching that game last night, everybody speak freaking
out in Green Bay and I'm like, these games now
where the kickoff comes out to all you need is
a is a fifteen yard completion and a penalty and
you're in field goal range. I mean, Matt Hasselback talked
about that earlier. You get into field goal range now
so fast. In the NFL, That's why I think betting
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the NFL is harder than it's ever been. My last
year and a half never been harder. There's so many
backdoor covers. I've had three games this year. I thought
I had wrapped up. I thought I had the Raiders
wrapped up yesterday, and then all of a sudden, you know,
That's why I think you're also getting a higher percentage
of quarterbacks that can play because they come in with
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so many snaps out of high school and college and
personal coaching, and then the NFL also the kickoffs. Now
you get better field position with a kickoffs, So between
the elevated quarterback play because of you know, a million reasons,
because of there's more great offensive coaches than we've ever had.
That's why you're seeing guys like Sam Darnold and Baker
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Mayfield getting second and third chances and flourishing. And because
of you know, I mean that the rules are all
geared toward the offense. Is that you get these crazy games.
And I mean, Micah Parsons, what's the impact I said
before in the NFL, there's three things you have to
have to be great, great coach, great quarterback, and somebody
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to protect his backside. What about receivers? What about him?
How Justin Jefferson knew yesterday. If you don't have the
quarterback and he didn't have protection, star receivers don't matter.
Jamar Chase did not make the playoffs last year. And
also at the bottom line is that's why I defended
the Cowboys getting a couple of number ones. Cowboys have
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four number ones in the next two years. That gives
them massive flexibility in the draft, massive flexibility with the
cap because they're not paying Micah.
Speaker 5 (28:37):
Cowboys are going to be fine. I like Mike. I
thought he was a good fit.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
But I mean, you start looking around and you got
to have a coach, you got to have a quarterback,
and you got to have somebody to protect the quarterback.
Outside of that, you don't have to have anything. There's
so many different ways to win. Green Bay wins and
they're young, Seattle wins, and they're young Kansas City wins.
And they can't run the football. Philadelphia's reliant on the
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run game, can't throw it consistently. There's a million I
still think I watched yesterday. I mean, Daniel Jones, he
looks like he can play. Daniel Jones Sam Darnold, Baker
Mayfield would not have happened fifteen years ago. There weren't
that many good offensive coaches, and the league wasn't as
quarterback friendly, and the kickoffs didn't come out to the
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place they come out to now. And now, because the
kickers can kick easily from fifty five to fifty eight yards,
the whole offense has changed. I mean, I'm I'm sitting
there watching you know, Green Bay last night, and I'm
watching some of these late games and I'm like, you know,
even in college, I'm watching Illinois's got a great kicker.
I'm watching Illinois this week, and I'm like, all they
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have to do is get to the forty yard line.
Speaker 5 (29:47):
They'll be fine. I mean, the Raiders, it.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
Got blogged, but the Raiders kicker has been a pro bowler.
All they got to get to is a forty yard line.
It used to be like thirty two yard.
Speaker 5 (29:56):
Line was pushing it.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
You know, then, oh it's a forty nine yeard you
wanted to get to, like the twenty eight yard line
and that you know that that felt.
Speaker 5 (30:04):
Like a mid forty yard kick. That's okay.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Now it's like fifty eight, fifty seven to me, and
I'm like, that depends on the kicker, but I feel
pretty comfortable.
Speaker 5 (30:15):
It used to be outside of about forty three yards.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
You're like, oh no, I don't know if I feel
good about this. So and the big game of the
weekend beyond last night was Kansas City dominating Lamar. Matt
Hasselbeck came on earlier. It does feel like the Chiefs
are in Lamar Jackson. Spags is in Lamar Jackson's head.
Speaker 8 (30:39):
I think there are some defensive coordinators that they don't
feel they don't fear certain great players. Lamar Jackson is
no doubt a great player, but for whatever reason, Steve
Spagnolo and the Chiefs I don't think they fear him
like the rest of the league does. The Chiefs they
feel like they've got a system and a game plan
that works with the Ravens, and it's tough when it's
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such a rivalry game, and I wonder, I guess I
would wonder if Lamar feels like he's got to put
the team on his back when he goes up against
the Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 4 (31:09):
That's what I would wonder.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
Yeah, maybe it's that I do think Lamar is a
unique player. I don't think there's any answer ever for
Mahomes if he has protection. I don't think there's an
answer ever for Josh Allen. I do think their answers
for Matt Stafford put pressure on him. I do think
their answers for Lamar Jackson not many, and they're not sustainable,
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usually over three and.
Speaker 5 (31:35):
A half hours.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
But there are answers for most quarterbacks, just not Mahomes
and Josh Allen pretty much ever, if they have reasonable help.
Lamar Jackson's status for Sunday against Houston reportedly in question,
may not play.
Speaker 5 (31:50):
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Well, it was NFL. Remember this offensive rookie of the year.
He was a Heisman Trophy winner eight years in the league.
Now Fox Sports, he's got the cowboy hat on. He
is ready to go RG three. Robert Griffin is now
joining US live. It was a cowboy hat weekend. I'll
tell you that. It was nuts Saturday and Sunday. Let's
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go back to Saturday. I said this when Nick Saban left,
Robert I said, Kaylin de Bor was the best, most
courageous higher you could do, because it would have been easy.
He'd go, oh, let's get let's go get Dan. He's
from the South, let's go get Dabbo. He's got a
Bama connection. And Greg Burns like, now I'm gonna go
all the over to the Pacific northwest to and I said
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that takes guts. The Bama people didn't want to hear it.
I thought, Robert, he out coached Kirby Smart. I thought
that was a coaching classic. What do you make of
Bama's win on the road.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Well, you're making a lot of great points there, Colin,
and that's why you're in the position that you were in.
And I'm gonna, first of all want to say thank
you for having me on the show. Completely honored to
share the airways with you. But when you look at
Kaylen de Boor, I agree with you, he did out
coach Kirby Smart, but it was more than that. I
thought that Kaylen de Boor has always been a hell
of a football coach. He's won every single way that
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he's been and for him to take on the challenge
of replacing the greatest college football coach of all time,
some might argue the greatest coach of all time and
Nick Saban lets you know how much he believes.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
In himself and his staff.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
But after the loss to Florida State, I thought he
was self aware. He understood, you know what, I'm not
getting it done the way that I need to get
it done here at Alabama, and he changed his identity
and for a coach who's won in multiple different places
to make that admission and step in and say, you
know what, we're going to come up with a new slogan.
We're going to say, don't let up, no mercy. Why
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did he say that, It's because Alabama had kind of
lost its luster a little bit, it had lost its
fear that it had put into people's souls when they
stepped on the field with them, and his quarterback, Ty Simpson,
stepped up to the podium, took full responsibility and said.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
I will be better. And he's been better.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
He's been one of the best quarterbacks in all the
college football. So I wonder what the Alabama fans are
saying now.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Right Listen, success is hard and it doesn't always happen quickly.
I always joke Saban lost the Louisiana Monroe's first year
and got smoked by Utah his second year. Now, he
took over a bit of a mess, But it's hard
to take over Alabama.
Speaker 5 (02:55):
The nil, the portal. You're losing, guys.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Now, I want to talk about I said going into
the year, I liked Drew Aller's potential. I watched Dante Moore,
Robert if I had a number one pick in the draft,
I would take Dante Moore. That kid's composure. I mean,
you played in this league. I was blown I mean
I thought he was good. I was blown away by him.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
What say you yed? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (03:18):
Dante Moore is climbing up of draft boards faster than
any quarterback in the country right now, and it's because
he proved one simple thing.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
He proved that the tools that he has.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
Can travel to a big time playoff atmosphere, and that
his poise overcomes all of it. When you look at
Dante Moore there at the end of the game, when
they needed him the most, he went on the play
action boot leg. We call him naked when you don't
have a backside blocker. He stepped up in the pocket
and he hit Gary Bryant for a touchdown. When his
team needed him the most, he stood tall. And when
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I watch his tape, what I'm so impressed by is
the simple fact that he transferred from UCLA to go
sit for a year at Oregon behind Dylan Gabriel. It
shows me that he understands he needed to be developed.
He understood that it takes patience to make that happen.
And what do you see when you watch the tape,
you see calm feet in the pocket. You see him
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staying in rhythm, not forcing the football to any one
particular guy, but allowing the ball to go where it's
supposed to go on each play versus each coverage. NFL
coaches absolutely love this young man. Fourteen to one touchdown
interception ratio. Eight guys in this big time matchup caught
a pass from him. It lets you know that he's
processing it well. And in today's modern NFL you have
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to be able to operate in the pocket, but you
also have to have off schedule answers. And Dante Moore
has that. He showed that with his ability to run,
with his ability to extend plays. So I'm right there
with you. He could very well be the number one
pick in the draft.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Okay, well, one more college question. Then I want to
go to some NFL stuff where I think you'll have
a really great perspective. So I defended Lincoln Riley I
was at this game. I defend him scoring with a
minute fifty five left, because I think when you're on
the road, you don't get cute like if you can
get into the end zone, get into the end zone.
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The bigger issue is they brought Deanton Lynn on as
a decordinator a couple of years ago, and I thought
he was tremendous. And the defense is getting softer. And
I don't necessarily blame the DC. I don't know if
it's because of the way they practice. They're now getting
pushed around by Illinois, and I know the kind of
I mean, I'm sorry, Robert.
Speaker 5 (05:29):
I know what their.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Nil money is and I know what they recruit that
shouldn't happen.
Speaker 5 (05:34):
Who do you blame?
Speaker 1 (05:35):
Is it this offense that maybe at practice you don't
develop toughness. But I feel like, oh, here we go again,
another Lincoln defense that can't make stops.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
And I know you know this very well, Colin.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
You're out there, you're around a lot, you're around the program,
and when I look at this defense, I agree with you.
I think that it's the defense that's holding them back.
Look against Illinois gave up twelve point four or twelve
point six yards per attempt to Luke Altmeyer and that
Illinois offense. You're not going to win in those situations. Yes,
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they're getting a ton of sacks, but they're giving up
way too many big plays. In the secondary. And I
was able to call their game against Michigan State with
Jason Bennetti and a Lex Atlantistoy. Amazing crew that we
have there for college football, and they dominated that game
in Michigan State. And I agree with you, it's not
the nil. It's not that they don't have the playmakers.
This team is field with's high level recruits. But in
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my talks last week with Kyle Whittingham, the head coach
at Utah, he talked about how it's almost impossible to
have a great defense when you truly have an up
tempo offense. Why cause it's putting your defense out there
on the field more often.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
For Utah, they averaged some of the.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
Fewest plays played per game for their defense, and he
really believes that the longer your defense is out on
the field, the more opportunities you're going to give up
in explosives that they're going to get and guys who
aren't fresh don't play well.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
They say, fatigue makes cowards of us all.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
So I wonder if that's a question that Lincoln Riley
has to ask himself, because at the end of the day,
it all falls on him, Colin, he's the head coach.
He's the high price, money making guy that was brought
in there to make them a championship contender.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
So make the decision.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
Are you going to go truly all the way up
tempo and score as many points as you possibly can,
like we used to do back at Baylor in the day,
or are you going to try to play this game
where you kind of slow it down to help your
defense not be on the field as much. I think
I know the answer to that. I think you do
as well. They're probably just going to try to outscore everybody.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
So I want to shift to the NFL because you
were a profoundly athletic. You could move, you could throw,
and I think Caleb has both of those. And somebody
told me years ago, they said, listen, if you're born
with a great singing voice, or develop it at an
early age, you'll sing in the car, you'll sing in
the shower. You'll sing because God gave it to you
and it's special. And I think there's a burden being
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a great running quarterback. Steve Young years to develop the
pocket stuff because he was so damn athletic. And I
watched Caleb and I watched Ben, and I think Ben's
a structure guy, and I think Caleb can play in structure,
but man, he's got horse power. And go back to
your career, how do you balance well, I can take
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off and get a lot of these first downs with Okay,
play with the coach's structure. Is it a fight when
you have the ability to move.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
I wouldn't say it's a fight when you have the
ability to move, But you gotta have the right relationship
between the head coach and the quarterback. So right now,
when I look at at Ben Johnson and Caleb Williams,
I feel like they're the perfect Yin and Yang. Caleb
is delaid back, you know, gonna wear the funny, funny
clothes and not be super hight type of quarterback. And
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Ben Johnson is the type of guy who's gonna stare
a hole through a sideline reporter if they ask him
a question about his offense. Okay, that that Yin and
Yang to me works for them because Caleb lacks Ben
Johnson has in what Ben Johnson lacks, Caleb has. Now,
when you look at the last two weeks for them,
he throws four touchdowns and literally eviscerates the Cowboys defense.
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He's feeling good about himself. Well, guess what happened this
week against the Raiders. Wasn't the cleanest game, but in
late game execution, he goes and he leads his team
on a game winning drive. I still believe that Caleb
Williams is learning how to not color outside of the lines.
But they're finding ways to win games, and that's going
to make that growth process even better. The more they win,
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the more success they have, the more belief they're going
to have in one another, and the more belief this
team is going to happen one another. You can see
him celebrating on the sideline and feeling good about themselves.
That goes a long way. Winning cures all in. The
Bears right now at two and two are winning.
Speaker 5 (09:49):
So I listen.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
Aj Brown is showing to me a great patience because
I mean.
Speaker 5 (09:55):
Here is we got to give him credit like he's read.
I don't care if he's reading a book.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Every time they put a mic in front of him,
he's very patient. He says the right thing, and I
think to myself, they targeted him nine times yesterday they're trying.
We got seven yards and it worked against the Rams
because the Rams could use length and physicality. It's the
only weakness on the Rams that they don't have a
kind of physical corner. They let Jalen Ramsey go. They're
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a little small, they don't have that, so it works.
But I'm watching yesterday and my takeaway is this is
a long season. Robert and AJ's being real patient. I
don't know if this thing. Would you consider because they're
so deep, would you consider saying, listen, we need another corner.
Speaker 5 (10:41):
It's just not vital to our offense.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
We're gonna move AJ get a draft pick in a
corner or do you ad just put your head down
and try to make it work. It's like a marriage.
It can't be this hard. You shouldn't have to go
to therapy every day. It just feels like it doesn't fit.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
Yeah, it's the dilemma you get in when you have
a guy like Jalen Hurts, who I do believe is
the top five quarterback in the NFL because he makes
the winning plays, and sometimes the winning play, unfortunately for
the Philadelphia Eagles, is not throwing the football to AJ Brown,
or at least throwing it to him and not completing it.
(11:20):
It's one of the more confusing things that happened this
weekend for me, because when their offense is clicking, who
is the guy that is really making it go. It's
not Jalen Hurts. It's honestly, right now this year, not
Saquon Barkley. It's AJ Brown. When they put up points,
AJ Brown is involved. When they have to make a
drastic comeback like they did last week, AJ Brown is involved.
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So I honestly don't put this on Jalen Hurts. I
put it on their offensive coordinator. You have to find
ways to get him easy completions. I always use this
analogy when we call games. You see a team go
on a fifteen play drive and they've got a couple
trick plays, and they got a bunch of different crazy
things that they're trying to make it work. And it's
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like in a basketball game, you see the teams that
do the thumbs down bounce passes right and they get
the open guys to the basket and they make the
easy layups. Well, right now, the Eagles aren't doing that.
They're not making the easy plays. They're not getting him
the easy screen catches, lining them up in the slot
and having them run option routes, keeping him away from
double teams and not just putting him on an island
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on the outside where they can roll coverage to them.
They have to find ways to get him that easy
cut to the basket where he can make the easy
layups early in the game.
Speaker 4 (12:32):
So you're not looking at him in the third quarter like, hey, Aj,
where you at.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
He's like, I don't know. You're not getting me easy completions, guys.
I'm a dynamic player. You see when he has the
ball in his hands, how special he is. That is
the job of the offensive coordinator. It is not the
job of the quarterback to force the ball to Aj Brown.
So we don't have these conversations on the national airways.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
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Speaker 1 (13:33):
This is where I defend pro athletes. I can do
my radio TV thing forever. But if you're Aj Brown,
you may have six years in this league to be
a star. And you know, in baseball again, you can
play to your thirty six. In basketball, you know a
guy can shoot, you can stay in the league forever.
I get AJ Brown being you know, I mean, I
think he's showing.
Speaker 5 (13:55):
I don't know. I think it's tough.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
I don't think fans quite understand how hard it is
to be this gifted and have seven yards.
Speaker 5 (14:02):
Yeah, it's hard.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
Colin would be like, uh, you know Kobe Bryant, and
You're like, you know what, We're not going to give
him thirty shots tonight.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
We're gonna we're gonna.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
Give him five, you know what I mean, Like that,
that's never going to work. You saw how aggressive Kobe
was when he played the game. So for AJ Brown,
my only the only reason I don't say trade him
and get him out of out of Philadelphia is because
when it comes down to it, when you get late
in the season, when you get into the early rounds
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of the playoffs and potentially try to get to another
super Bowl to make yourself a dynasty, it's not going
to be about the ex'es and the o's. It's going
to be about the Jimmy's and the Joe's. And the
Eagles are a better football team when aj Brown is
on it than than they are when he isn't. So
that to me is why right now you gotta focus
on the ex's and the o's, and your ex'es and
o's aren't good enough because your best player is not
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getting the football.
Speaker 5 (14:58):
You're tremendous.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
Robert Griffin knowses college does his college and pro stuff.
You know, met you years ago at a volume party.
If I recall you and your is correct, and it's
great seeing you again. I'd love to have you on again.
Thank you so much.
Speaker 4 (15:13):
No appreciate you having me on, Colin, and I'm on
in to be your team made brother.
Speaker 5 (15:16):
All right, that's great stuff, some good points.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
You know. It is interesting that he used Kobe Bryant,
and that's the I think we had talked about this
a couple of weeks ago. Like you know, in most
professions you're an accountant, you're going to be in like
you can have prime years for fifteen years a painter.
But there are professions like you got about six years
in the NFL because of all the injuries. You got
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about six years, about twenty four to thirty for a receiver,
those maybe thirty one. Those are your big years. So
I get the frustration.
Speaker 5 (15:49):
Jmack with the news.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
Heard on the news.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
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Speaker 6 (15:55):
All right, Colin, let's revisit that Bears Raiders finish just
gut punch for me and anybody who had the Raiders.
But I will say, listen, it came down to a
game winning field goal. All these seemed to go against
me this year. Here's the call of the blocked kick
by the Bears.
Speaker 5 (16:12):
It's good snappers kind of blocked.
Speaker 6 (16:14):
Bears blocked the kick.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
They blocked the field goal on fourth to three for
thirty two seconds to go in the game.
Speaker 6 (16:22):
The Bears blocked the kick.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
They're gonna sneak out of Allegiate Stadium for the twenty
five twenty four win.
Speaker 6 (16:30):
Yeah, go ahead, I know you're excited. You're ear Bears
with the big win. They're your Bears now right, They're
not mine, they're yours.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
Not all wins are pretty, Buffalo yesterday did not play well.
Not all wins are pretty. I mean when Baker led
to come from behind winn against Atlanta, that's one of
the ugliest wins of the year.
Speaker 5 (16:48):
So take them big picture.
Speaker 4 (16:50):
Okay.
Speaker 6 (16:51):
Well this last week you went and said Bears eight
to nine. Okay, Well, a lot of things changed around
the league this week. Because it's a week to week league.
I don't want to get dramatic here, but that win
could be you know, the impetus for a bit of
a run here, so they get to buy. Then they
come out against Washington. Michael Pennix just went up and
down the field against Washington. That defense is going to
(17:12):
get exposed. Okay, they're not great, Colin. After that, it's
the Saints, and we know the Bears are probably gonna
be favorite to win that one outdoors. That Ravens game,
I don't know what's up with Lamar. I don't know
what's up with the defense. Sure, the Ravens are gonna
be favorite at home, but I don't think they're a
slam dunk to win that, and you start looking at
that and you're like, oh, we don't have to face
Joe Burrow in week nine, you know. So I'm not
(17:33):
saying Bears are going to the playoffs, but I'm I'm
just pointing out, like that win showed me, like Kayleb
Williams is growing. There is definitely growth from week one
to week four.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
There's some real I mean Washington, New Orleans, Baltimore and
Cincinnati out of the by are defenses that are trying
to find their way.
Speaker 6 (17:52):
Baltimore's debt was down six or seven, sorry, six to seven, huh,
six or seven defensive starters midway through that game against Chiefs.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
And then they face a series of teams that aren't
offensively consistent Giants, Vikings, Steelers, Philadelphia.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
Well J J.
Speaker 6 (18:06):
McCarthy will be back for that Vikings game.
Speaker 5 (18:08):
So that's what I'm my point.
Speaker 6 (18:12):
So all of a sudden, you're like, oh, is there
a world that you know the early buy because their
secondary is beat up and I think the good cornerback
who had one of the interceptions yesterday got dinged up late.
I'm not saying they go in playoffs, but I'm saying
there is certainly optimism off that win.
Speaker 5 (18:27):
Right, Oh, I think absolutely. I think you feel great
if you're Chicago.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
They haven't.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
They've been a terrible road team for like ever, but
I mean under eber Flus they were the league's worst
road team. So you just take it and get I
guarantee you that flight from Vegas to Chicago was a
great flight to be on.
Speaker 6 (18:46):
Yeah, certainly. All right, Let's go to Monday night football
Colin Jets Dolphins tonight. Justin Fields is cleared from concussion protocol.
He's ready to go. Dolphins are favored by two and
a half. I'll just I'm on the over here. I
don't love anything about either of these defenses. Jets defense
has sneakily regressed badly. It's early, and the Dolphins historically
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with Tua have moved the football and these guys, so
I'm over forty four and a half. I don't really
have a feel on the side. There's this Anthony Weaver
video going around, he's the defensive coordinator of the Dolphins,
about how him talking about we're gonna be violent on defense.
We're coming out fired up. We'll see what Breece Hall
has to say. About that, But I think this could
be a really good game. I'll go thirty to twenty seven.
(19:31):
Somebody wins. I don't know them.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Yeah, I think. I think you're in the right space.
I think there's gonna be a lot of points. And
I think Denver, which has should have two more wins,
has kind of played with their food. I think Denver
plays well tonight offensively, and they have not this year.
Speaker 6 (19:49):
All right, final story is college football where your guy
Donte Moore outduled the immortal Drew Aller, Poor Drew Aller.
He ends the Notre Dame playoff game with that bad
pick and then just an abomination of an interception in
overtime James Franklin, and I don't think you could kill
James Franklin for this, but he was.
Speaker 5 (20:10):
He did.
Speaker 6 (20:10):
They did have a bad start. I think they were.
They were stuck on three points for most of the game.
Franklin talked about his woes against top ten opponents, and
he owned it in the postgame. I get that narrative,
and it's really not a narrative.
Speaker 5 (20:26):
It's it's factual. It's the facts.
Speaker 7 (20:29):
I get it, you know, But I try to look
at the entire picture and what we've been able to
do here. But at the end of the day, we
got to find a way to win those games. I
totally get it. They're passionate and when we win, there's
nothing better. When we lose, there's nothing worse. So I
(20:50):
get it. I get the frustration that comes with a
fan base that has invested and cares.
Speaker 5 (20:59):
Yeah, my take his you're at home.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
You have the best backfield in the country, a top
five offensive line, and you have really good defensive personnel.
Speaker 5 (21:08):
To me, that's a game you have to win. And
they didn't.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
And I've defended James Franklin, but you got to win
that game. I mean, Dante Moore had not played in
an environment like that. Oregon's young, Oregon's a college team
traveling three thousand whatever, three thousand miles whatever it is.
That's a game you gotta win. Like it's not Bama Georgia.
Georgia doesn't have to win that. Georgia has won a
lot of big games. Ohio State's won a lot of
big games. That's a game you get, Oregon, That's that's
(21:34):
the biggest stadium Dante More has ever played in. You
got you got a ball control offense, and I thought
Drew Aller just looked pedestrian.
Speaker 6 (21:42):
Yeah, they too conservatively, Colin, there was no imagination in that.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
That's the knock on James strength when he recruits. But
it's not a lot of there's not a lot of
you know, there's not a lot of juice.
Speaker 6 (21:55):
He did not feel like like a mini Pacquiao fight
where neither side wanted to make a mistake and it
was just very safe boxing throughout. I'm like, dude, you're
at home. You got the white out. I'd get that
for Oregon.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
Like if I was Oregon, I'd go into the first
quarter and I would feel out. I think that's one
of those games. If I was Penn State, I'd have
trick plays. I would put the pressure on Oregon. And
I thought Penn State played a little bit like a
road team. And it's like, no, no, no, you're at
home most of the time in college football. When two
good teams meet, take the home team. In the NFL,
(22:27):
it doesn't matter, they say, now the NFL home crowd
is worth a point.
Speaker 5 (22:31):
I think I think.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Penn State that's a seven eight point advantage. Dan Lanning
admitted that after the game, and I think.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
You go in.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
If you're Penn State and you you take big cuts.
Speaker 6 (22:43):
As I remembered this play, I think it was seventeen
to three Colin in the third quarter, Oregon was rolling
like you can't have that now. Final note is you
have just repeat your national championship right now? Is it Oregon?
Speaker 5 (22:54):
And who I would say?
Speaker 1 (22:55):
If I had to bet right now, I'd say Ohio
State based on what I've seen, Ohio State, Oregon. I
can't trust Penn State. I mean, if you lose to
Oregon at home there, I can't trust you. And Texas
isn't good enough offense?
Speaker 6 (23:07):
Can I give you a sleeper?
Speaker 4 (23:09):
Bama?
Speaker 6 (23:10):
The note, Well, Alabama's for sure. The Notre Dame fighting
Irish mister Carr, Oh, he looks amazing in Antem country.
Speaker 5 (23:18):
That's Arkansas.
Speaker 6 (23:20):
But still, I mean, Arkansas is a good SEC team.
They just fired their coach, I know, but still, come on, man,
it's Carr, a young quarterback going into Arkansas. You can't
go to Fayett Villain.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
I want the highlights of that game. Arkansas played with
eight players defense stop it football.
Speaker 6 (23:37):
Dame had forty two at the half. Listen, man, it
was impressive. Carr. He might be like a top five
quarterback in the country. It's Beck, Dante Moore and I
think Simpson for sure, right from Alabama.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
If you ask GMS, I'll text one after the show.
I can't believe Dante Moore would not be the number
one pick.
Speaker 6 (23:56):
He looks like he's ready to go in the NFL.
He was rolling out. I mean that kid looked now
that kid.
Speaker 5 (24:00):
And he was a five star recruit.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
I think out of Michigan he went, I think ended
up Ucla than Oregon.
Speaker 5 (24:06):
He sat, so he's got some maturity.
Speaker 6 (24:08):
Imagine that sitting for a year helped huh Art set
for how many Okay.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
That was a I'm telling you, in college football, that
is a hard place to win an Oregon coach. If
you have a great coach and a great quarterback in college,
you can win anywhere. And I think that's what Bama has.
I think that Tys Simpson's really I don't think he's
Dante Moore, but he's good.
Speaker 6 (24:31):
He's throwing darts.
Speaker 5 (24:33):
Just like Jackson did. J Mack with the news, Well.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
That's the news and thanks for stopping by.
Speaker 5 (24:40):
The herd Line News show is flying by boy.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
The show after us today is going to have a
lot of nuance, a lot of contextualization on Kansas City
hammering Baltimore. Now, I like Kansas City in that game,
I said, if you get me three, I would have
put it in my blazing five.
Speaker 5 (24:58):
But that was.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
I mean, I Mahomes hasn't done that for over two years.
Speaker 5 (25:07):
Just seven on seven, pitch and catch. It's the hurt.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
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Speaker 5 (25:17):
A couple of month of the night football games tonight.
Speaker 6 (25:19):
Like j Mack, I.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
Think the Jets the Dolphins over is the play and
actually I'll uh, I'll take a favorite Denver at home
offensive sputtered. I think Sean Payton will get it right.
Speaker 6 (25:33):
Why don't we Why don't we make it interesting? Since
you're gonna be out here soon? Why do we make
it interesting? You want a little wager on what I
don't know, Let's go Jets. You you love Mike McDaniel
and two, I'll take Jets.
Speaker 5 (25:46):
I don't love Mike McDaniel and TOOA or the GM now.
Speaker 6 (25:52):
Or the odor for the stadium.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
I like going to Fort Lauderdale in Miami. I don't
like the football team. It was just funny yesterday the
base fall playoffs. Regular season's over. Steve Cohen's owned the
Mets forever. They've missed the playoffs three times and got
bounced in the wildcard round. They literally were the only
team in baseball that did not have a ninth and
income from behind wind with all that money, all that
(26:17):
Steve Balmer with the Clippers, all that money, playoff disappointment.
Everybody fears money. The both New York teams stink in
the NFL, though, Giants feel pretty good today. Everybody worries
about money, and here you got you know, you start
looking around sports right now. Milwaukee's the best team in baseball.
They swept the Dodgers earlier this year. Best team in baseball,
great bullpen, good starting staff, hit. I'm just telling you,
(26:39):
it's a Watching that game last night, everybody speak freaking
out in Green Bay and I'm like, these games now
where the kickoff comes out to all you need is
a is a fifteen yard completion and a penalty and
you're in field goal range. I mean, Matt Hasselback talked
about that earlier. You get into field goal range now
so fast. In the NFL, That's why I think betting
(27:01):
the NFL is harder than it's ever been. My last
year and a half never been harder. There's so many
backdoor covers. I've had three games this year. I thought
I had wrapped up. I thought I had the Raiders
wrapped up yesterday, and then all of a sudden, you know,
That's why I think you're also getting a higher percentage
of quarterbacks that can play because they come in with
(27:22):
so many snaps out of high school and college and
personal coaching, and then the NFL also the kickoffs. Now
you get better field position with a kickoffs, So between
the elevated quarterback play because of you know, a million reasons,
because of there's more great offensive coaches than we've ever had.
That's why you're seeing guys like Sam Darnold and Baker
(27:44):
Mayfield getting second and third chances and flourishing. And because
of you know, I mean that the rules are all
geared toward the offense. Is that you get these crazy games.
And I mean, Micah Parsons, what's the impact I said
before in the NFL, there's three things you have to
have to be great, great coach, great quarterback, and somebody
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to protect his backside. What about receivers? What about him?
How Justin Jefferson knew yesterday. If you don't have the
quarterback and he didn't have protection, star receivers don't matter.
Jamar Chase did not make the playoffs last year. And
also at the bottom line is that's why I defended
the Cowboys getting a couple of number ones. Cowboys have
(28:27):
four number ones in the next two years. That gives
them massive flexibility in the draft, massive flexibility with the
cap because they're not paying Micah.
Speaker 5 (28:37):
Cowboys are going to be fine. I like Mike. I
thought he was a good fit.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
But I mean, you start looking around and you got
to have a coach, you got to have a quarterback,
and you got to have somebody to protect the quarterback.
Outside of that, you don't have to have anything. There's
so many different ways to win. Green Bay wins and
they're young, Seattle wins, and they're young Kansas City wins.
And they can't run the football. Philadelphia's reliant on the
(29:02):
run game, can't throw it consistently. There's a million I
still think I watched yesterday. I mean, Daniel Jones, he
looks like he can play. Daniel Jones Sam Darnold, Baker
Mayfield would not have happened fifteen years ago. There weren't
that many good offensive coaches, and the league wasn't as
quarterback friendly, and the kickoffs didn't come out to the
(29:24):
place they come out to now. And now, because the
kickers can kick easily from fifty five to fifty eight yards,
the whole offense has changed. I mean, I'm I'm sitting
there watching you know, Green Bay last night, and I'm
watching some of these late games and I'm like, you know,
even in college, I'm watching Illinois's got a great kicker.
I'm watching Illinois this week, and I'm like, all they
(29:45):
have to do is get to the forty yard line.
Speaker 5 (29:47):
They'll be fine. I mean, the Raiders, it.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
Got blogged, but the Raiders kicker has been a pro bowler.
All they got to get to is a forty yard line.
It used to be like thirty two yard.
Speaker 5 (29:56):
Line was pushing it.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
You know, then, oh it's a forty nine yeard you
wanted to get to, like the twenty eight yard line
and that you know that that felt.
Speaker 5 (30:04):
Like a mid forty yard kick. That's okay.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Now it's like fifty eight, fifty seven to me, and
I'm like, that depends on the kicker, but I feel
pretty comfortable.
Speaker 5 (30:15):
It used to be outside of about forty three yards.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
You're like, oh no, I don't know if I feel
good about this. So and the big game of the
weekend beyond last night was Kansas City dominating Lamar. Matt
Hasselbeck came on earlier. It does feel like the Chiefs
are in Lamar Jackson. Spags is in Lamar Jackson's head.
Speaker 8 (30:39):
I think there are some defensive coordinators that they don't
feel they don't fear certain great players. Lamar Jackson is
no doubt a great player, but for whatever reason, Steve
Spagnolo and the Chiefs I don't think they fear him
like the rest of the league does. The Chiefs they
feel like they've got a system and a game plan
that works with the Ravens, and it's tough when it's
(31:00):
such a rivalry game, and I wonder, I guess I
would wonder if Lamar feels like he's got to put
the team on his back when he goes up against
the Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 4 (31:09):
That's what I would wonder.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
Yeah, maybe it's that I do think Lamar is a
unique player. I don't think there's any answer ever for
Mahomes if he has protection. I don't think there's an
answer ever for Josh Allen. I do think their answers
for Matt Stafford put pressure on him. I do think
their answers for Lamar Jackson not many, and they're not sustainable,
(31:34):
usually over three and.
Speaker 5 (31:35):
A half hours.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
But there are answers for most quarterbacks, just not Mahomes
and Josh Allen pretty much ever, if they have reasonable help.
Lamar Jackson's status for Sunday against Houston reportedly in question,
may not play.
Speaker 5 (31:50):
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