October 9, 2025 • 29 mins
Colin talks to 2-time Super Bowl Champion Phil Simms shares his insight on the Philadelphia Eagles’ offensive struggles, and why head coach Nick Sirianni is the one who needs to get them back on track
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
We bring in Chris Simms on the show pretty regularly,
and then there's Matt Simms. He's working at the other place.
But you know who I relate to is Phil Simms,
because now we're both at the age where we wake
up and we go to the pill closet and the
vitamin closet. And Phil Simms, host of SIMS Complete on
the Believe Network. He's joining us fifteen years. We just
(00:46):
talked about nad magnesium and Omega three pills during the
break and I've never felt better about my decisions. You
and I do the the same life. I just go
off a little more than you.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
I mean, we were talking like two old guys sitting there. Hey,
I take this in the morning and that, and I'm
gonna just tell everybody out there, whatever I'm taking, it's working, Okay,
does that feel good and not sleep great.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
There you go. Same thing. So fifteen quarterbacks right now
right have one hundred plus passer rating. Two years ago
it was six.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
Now.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Some of it phil is because I think there's a
lot more good offensive coaching. There's a lot of sharp
young guys out there. And I also think everybody plays zone,
so it's a little throw to a spot. You lived
in a world where it was man to man coverage.
Now it's zone and you just throw to a spot.
And a lot of these young guys are strong and
throw to a spot. But when you look at your
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era and this era of quarterback play, do you see
a gap? I mean, does it feel easier today with
some of the rule changes.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
Well, I think yeah. The first thing you say, throw
it to a spot. Everybody's playing zone and they want
to keep their eyes on the quarterback in the backfield
to stop the big runs down the field. And if
you play zone in the NFL, it's the quarterbacks that
we're seeing out there.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Now.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
You say fifteen, I would probably say more. They're gonna
pick you apart, and that's what defense is want. We're
gonna let you complete the passes, but we're gonna run up,
tackle you, and you have to go with long drives,
sustain a lot of plays to score. That's what you see.
And these quarterbacks they just keep getting better every year.
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And to answer your question, Colin, my era that I
played in, I don't know what to say. This whole
group that plays now, they are remarkably different and better
than what we put on the field, I think most
of the time.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
So I love watching the old films with you and Parcels,
and it's just that confrontational stuff. It's funny, it rights itself.
But Philadelphia right now is having an identity crisis. They
don't know what they are. Back with Parcels, did you
guys even use the word identity or is that one
of those words like narrative that everybody uses, or did
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you just like, listen this every week was a different
game plan or did Bill believe in, Hey, this is
what we are, this is what we're always going to be.
We're not going to deviate because Philadelphia right now doesn't
know what the hell they are. They're a run team
and they can't figure it out. Again, go back to
your six years Giant Super Bowls dominant team, was identity discussed.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
Never never I don't know. You know, hell, you know
these player only meetings. I will say this, we did
a couple of them. I hated them. I didn't pay attention.
I'm like, please get it over with. Let's get out
of here. Because the guy that set the table, the
guy that walked in there every day, Bill Parcels, that
was the player's meeting, and okay, whatever he said, we
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didn't have to have a player's meeting because he was
going to take care of himself and he knew when
to do that. And so when I see the players
doing it, then I go, Okay, I believe it works
for them if that's what it is. But I would
prefer Nick Sirianni get in front of the team and going, hey,
all right, enough of this, let's do this. We're gonna
move on. And if you don't want to be part
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of it, good, I'll get somebody else and let it go. Yeah.
So yeah, I mean, gosh, almighty, you've won so many games,
what is it, twenty out of twenty one, and here
we are having players meetings and things like that. It'says Philadelphia.
It's different, that's for sure.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
So there are quarterbacks and coaching relationships you know, the
creative gene of Andy Reid and Mahomes is such a
good fit because Mahomes is a creative type, and then
there are Sometimes it just works despite the fact that
the coach and the quarterback may not see eye to eye.
I think Big Ben and Tomlin it just worked because
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Big Ben was so damn talented. But I look at
Shanahan and outside of Trey Lance, I mean, Kyle shab
was a pro bowler. He won with Brian Hoyer, Mac
Jones was done. Mac Jones now is unbelievable. So when
you look at Kyle Shanahan, what did I say, Ryan?
What named I screw up Matt Shop. When you look
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at Kyle Shanahan, he virtually takes every quarterback he's had.
Garoppolo has disappeared since he left. What's the secret, Sauce,
What do you think he does? The language he speaks,
the touch, the feel he has. What is it with Kyle?
Because I'd argue today Phil, no coach is winning with
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lest They have sixty percent of their starters, their playmakers
are all hurt.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
Yes, Hey, it comes down to this. You talk about
mac Jones, people ask me, Hey, whatever all this? Howd
he play. I said, yeah, Kyle Shanahan gave him the
Mac Jones offense. That's what he did. Who's my quarterback.
I'm going to adapt to him and call and design
plays that fit him. And everything they did in that
game against the Los Angeles Rams, it was right out
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of the book. Hey, Mac Jones special. Well, he's a
big guy, can stand in there, he can get rid
of the football quick, He's a good decision maker. Everything
that's good for him Kyle Shanahan put into that game plan.
If it had been Rock Perdy playing that game, we'd
have seen some rollouts, deeper drops, moving, and many more
throws deep down the field probably. But that's the one
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thing about Kyle. You can go through all the quarterbacks
that he's had, and when they get a chance to play,
basically they all play well. So that's not luck. That's
him designing plays and knowing how to call it.
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Speaker 1 (07:04):
So I made this argument earlier that I'm okay, many
of our great quarterbacks have been a little reckless at times.
Now now, Aaron Rodgers was one of the first where
you got the upside without the interceptions. But Nameth and
Elway and Peyton threw a lot of picks and Eli did,
uh yeah, I mean, but I mean Baker Mayfield has
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the most turnover worthy plays so far in the league,
according to PFF. And my take is, well, that's Baker's style.
He plays through his chest. He's a big emotion guy.
I think if you try to change Baker, you lose
who Baker is. What do you make of him as
a quarterback?
Speaker 3 (07:47):
Well, first off, they're not trying to change him down
in Tampa Bay. I watch his games because I enjoy
him and because he is a fun watch and let
me tell you, he is an elite thrower of the football.
He throws that damn thing exactly where he wants it
to go, and his decision making is pretty good. But
I like the fact that he's aggressive because he can be.
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I'll tell you a quick story that just personifies who
Baker Mayfield is. Somebody asked Todd Bowles, how would you
describe Baker Mayfield? And Todd Bowles took a quick second
break and he goes I would say, Baker, will you
walk across the room there and stick your face in
the fan? He would do it, And that's who he is.
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He's just tough as hell, resilient, can really throw the football,
and he's He's great for the team because he doesn't
eat up a lot of space about Baker Baker Baker
like some quarterbacks do with their teams. He's part of
the group, the players, loving and Tampa Bay. Whatever he's doing,
I would say, just keep doing it because it's going well.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
All right, let's get a little update your thoughts on
Jackson Dart, the new Giants guy. He's got to look
he's kind of cool looking and he's got a decent arm.
I don't what do you make of what you've seen
so far?
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Yeah, he is cool. I gotta admit. I was down
at training camp a lot. I watched him every day,
really close. Not every day, but almost, and he didn't
have bad days. He threw the ball well. And I
think the one thing that I made a mistake on
until I found it late right before the draft, I
was watching his more of his tapes and everything to
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see what I really thought about even all of a sudden,
I went, wow, I have underestimated his mobility. And his
mobility has been a big part of these first two games.
And what I like about it is he's reading the
defense whatever, trying to throw it, but if the gap
is open in front of him, it's straight down the
middle every time. And he's been really good at that.
They had a chance to beat to the New Orleans Saints.
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I thought they were the better team, but the mistakes,
that's what you're going to get with the young quarterback.
You don't pull him back too much. You just kind
of go all right, settle down a little bit, but
you want to keep being aggressive because being aggressive gives
you a chance to be a really good quarterback too.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
So when you were with a Giant, so was Bill Belichick,
and I know on the defensive side. I never thought
he was a college football guy. I think college football
is a little more joyful, the bands, the alumni, the parents.
Bill's a pro guy to me. You know, I never
got it. Are you surprised it's been this big of
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a kind of a mess so far.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
Well, I think we were together thirteen years with the Giants.
He came in in seventy nine, I think the same
year I did. But yeah, I listen, I'm very surprised.
I thought he would go down there and kind of
show college football there's a little different way to do this.
Well he did it a different way, but it's not working.
And you know, I, hey, look, you don't spend thirteen
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years with the guy. He did a lot of great
things for me. He said things to me, talk to
me when I needed it, and all that stuff, and
taught me too. But so I feel bad, and I
hope somehow, Honestly, I just hope when the year's over,
I hope he decides to do something else, because man,
it's almost impossible to watch the games. It's that bad.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Yeah, it really is, you know, And I'm sure you've
been asked this before it goes on the speakers circuit.
The Giants have had a really bad ten year run.
New York Sports right now is a bit of a
has met spill. Ye, that's bad. And you can always
point fingers. I mean, the Yankees have been very patient
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and they've had some success. If I pointed to you
and said, okay, give me a paragraph on what's gone
wrong with the Giants, coaches, quarterbacks, GM's ownership. Because it listen,
when I worked at the other place, I always said
they were the accounting firm of the NFL. They were quiet,
they didn't make a lot of noise, they were well run.
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They were never flashy, but you knew the numbers were right.
They just they were smart. Something has gone haywire because
I always thought the Jets were squarely, but the Giants
were big blue. They would figure it out. Phil, it
has been a rough, rough stretch. Where do you point
the fingers?
Speaker 3 (12:07):
Well, you know you always start with this player acquisitions.
You know, the draft. You hope it goes well. There's
so much into it, and you know, I don't know
how these guys have great drafts sometimes because you just
never know about players, even though you do all the research,
but the draft hasn't been great. But these last couple
of years, the guys that they've been drafting, they're playing
and actually doing pretty well. So I really don't have
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an answer for that why it's not going well, But
I do look at other teams they're having success, and
what they have is just a group of stars that
are all in and they're connected to the coach and
it's hard and tough, and that's who they are that'll
never go away from football. And if you want to win,
you've got to be physical, you've got to be tough,
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and you've got to be smart. And I'm not saying
the Giants aren't that, but maybe the personnel has not
given them that chance. So I'm going to go to
the game tonight and I think they'll play the Philadelphia
Eagles close, and I won't walk out of the stadium
shocked if they win, but I'll be happy because I'm
just gonna be honest, I'm gonna root for the Giants.
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So yeah, it's unbelievable. Every year I see the draft
all this, I go to training camp and I go,
this might be the year. This is the year. And
with the lead neighbors, and of course the quarterback and everything.
I was watching the pass rush. I said, man, they
got a chance, and they've had two chances, and they
lost both of those games Dallas and down in New Orleans.
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Yeah that changes a year, Colin. I mean, just think
if they'd beat Dallas in overtime or beat New Orleans
all of a sudden, we'd be going, hey, look at
the film. What about the Giants? Man, they might be
in the playoffs. That's how close it is. I think
in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
This just popped into my head. You're covering some college
football now sims complete on the Believe Network. So we'll
wrap it up with this. Your son played at Texas,
and I've said this before. Of the five toughest jobs
in all of sports in America, quarterback of the Texas
Longhorns is near the top of that list. It is
insane pressure, the donors, the coaching, the culture. It's it's
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almost got an NFL feel in terms of it's in
a cool city. There's a lot of business, there's a
lot of money. It's not your typical rural college where
you can you get a friendly media and everybody's Texas
football is big it's bigger than a lot of college
NFL programs, right, It's bigger than Jaguars football in Jacksonville.
Your son played there. Arch Manning is really struggling. Take
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me to the pressure your sun felt, and that it's
just not another college quarterback job at Texas. It feels
almost professional.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
Yeah, you know, I don't know if I could even
answer that question about my son. We never talked about
how you're feeling and all that, and you know, I
would always gave words of encouragement, and I not to
get off target here, but I always say to like
a pair some quarterbacks that are coming up through high
school that are really good and in the pros, I
say to them, stay with them, be in contact of
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them as much as you can to help them through
all the hardships are going to come, because if you don't,
it's just not going to work out well. And I'm
not sitting here going to confession, but you know, I
didn't make that connection with my kids as much as
I should have. I should have been on top of
it more. And you know, always say this too. They're
eighteen year olds coming out of high school. What the
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hell do they know? They don't know much of nothing right,
and so I should have been there as a parent
to give them more information. But with arch Manning, I'll
say this, I studied him during the off season. I
loved it everything about him and what I'm seeing now,
I was like, wow, I just I did not see
any of this last year. But I would boil down
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to this, just try to relax, whatever it is. But
his throwing is what has caught my attention. It just
hasn't been on target. He rushes, throws, his motion looks
like it's changed from what I saw last year, and
I think that's part of the problem. When you call
him When you throw the ball well and you know
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where it's going to go, you don't become a good
decision maker. You become great great You see it, you
believe it, you complete it, and let's move on. And
right now, I just see doubt sometimes in arch Manning
when he's throwing the football. That's he's like, oh, I
want to complete it. You know when you want to
complete him too bad? It usually doesn't work. So we'll see,
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you know, more experience, I will say, he'll kind of
fix this and look a lot better as the year
goes along.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
Phil as always we talked about once every couple of years.
I always loved chatting with you. Great wisdom, and you
look fantastic. I'm not going to say your age, people
can google it, but you look you look really good.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
Well Hill, all right, well my wife never tells me that.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Yeah, okay, should.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
Hey, you know, listen, I'm looking for interviews, so bring
me on every once in a while. You know, I'd
like to beat it up, you know, And all right,
this would be the last thing I say real quick.
The quarterbacks. I know you like the guy at Oregon,
and you know what you should. He's really good. Yes,
and Oregon, if you want to be a good quarterback,
go up there and get taught and run that offense.
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You'll do well. But what's coming into the draft this year,
it's probably going to be real. There's going to be
a lot of them. But you know what's coming in
the following year behind them is another damn group. So
this quarterback situation, there's enough quarterbacks to go around for
this hole. Lead. The big thing is can we get
coaches to create a scheme to lead the team to
let these quarterbacks show who they are? I mean, what
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happened all of a sudden. Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnold are
stars when we watch them, and they were thrown to
the sidewalk a couple of years ago.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
So there you go, Phil Simms. We will bring you
back on and I mean it, We're going to bring
you back. I love this, I appreciate it. Thanks man.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
It'd be great if you bring me back and then
pay me. I don't like that. Even better.
Speaker 7 (18:04):
We do that.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
Fox is doing well, the stock prices up. We got
plenty of cash here.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
All right, Well, thank you, thanks for having me on, Colin.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
You bet, Phil Simms, uh it, Phil's great. All right,
we take a break. We'll wrap it up with her
Line next.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
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Speaker 1 (18:29):
Show flying by. We've had good guests this week. A
rod stop by Greg Cosel, Phil Simms. Today Jmack with
the news. Turn on the news.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
This is the Herd Line News.
Speaker 8 (18:44):
Well, Colin, let's start with the Cleveland Browns, the Factory
of Sadness. They've got a quarterback situation. Everybody's waiting to
find out who the backup to do Gabriel will be
Kevin Sefanski is not showing his cards. Will it be Schador,
Sanders or Bailey Zappie, Colin, that's the legitimate story.
Speaker 4 (19:03):
Out of Cleveland. Who's going to be the backup? And
here's the Fansky talking about it.
Speaker 9 (19:08):
I always have to be mindful of our players and
our players' development, and you know, I want to make
sure that I'm always doing what's best for our players
and of course our team. But you know, with young players,
I'm always thinking about last week making the change with
to Dylan. You have to think long and hard about
that because these are these are young players that you're
so invested in their developments.
Speaker 8 (19:31):
Yeah, Colin, this is if you listen closely players development.
Bailey Zappi ain't developing. Okay, he's a veteran backup.
Speaker 4 (19:41):
It sounds to me like Shauduur ain't going to be
the backup this that.
Speaker 8 (19:44):
That's my read from this quote. Maybe I'm reading between
the lines, but is it strange that he's up there
answering questions about it.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
It's so funny there's this contingent in Cleveland that thinks,
you know, should do or they're against Shaudo or Sanders.
You do get that Cleveland wishes he was Andrew lucked right,
so nobody's against him. I think his lack of maturity.
I think he was more of a projected, more as
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a work than he was ready to play. But it
is shocking. I do not remember, and all I've been
doing this thirty years, I do not remember ever there
being a quarterback that was largely understood quarterbacks drop in
the draft all the time, but was considered late first,
early second by people I trust that not only dropped
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to the fifth round. He's a scout team guy basically
for Cleveland. I mean the way Stefanski talks, yeah, like
he's he's he's a backup but won't play.
Speaker 8 (20:45):
So my take and I this probably isn't going to
be popular.
Speaker 4 (20:49):
I think this speaks to the media environment right now. Colin.
Speaker 8 (20:51):
I hate to be mean, but nobody cares about anything
going on with the Cleveland Browns. The only way that
they're getting clicks in Cleveland is something should Sanders related.
So is he going to be the backup coach? What's
up with the development. That's the only thing nobody cares
about the Browns. Isaiah Bond, Harold Finnin, Nobody. I think Stefanski.
Every action from Stefanski tells you Chadeur's not it.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
So I just followed the act of Stefanski's real bright
Andrew Berry's history drafting is really good. These are smart guys.
He can't play. And again in my life, I do
not remember everybody's saying untill late first, mid first, mid second,
quarterback Nelly drops but can't move up the rotation. Cleveland
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would love him to be great because they have that
Dashaun contract. They would love a free quarterback from the
fifth round. You could get out from within Deshaun Watson's mess.
If he could plays, you don't pay. I mean, it's
like brock perty pay. A part of his appeal was
he's as good as Garoppolo or better and he's free
for four years. That's very appealing to teams.
Speaker 8 (21:59):
By the way, remember we talked about this spot line
starting to tick up.
Speaker 4 (22:03):
Everybody's noticing, Oh, Cleveland's coming off. London Steelers off a
bye in the desert. This is six and a half.
It's five and a half for Fox here. It's heading up.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
This is gonna be probably a touchdown. What is it
right now?
Speaker 8 (22:15):
I saw six and a half in the desert on
the screen. We got five and a half because you know,
we put this up earlier. But I like a lot
Pittsburgh here, and I don't like Aaron Rodgers, you know,
so I don't want to give away Friday headlines, but
I like Pittsburgh here a lot. Let's move on, Colin
to the Detroit Lions. This is an interesting one. So
a report surface that the Lions complained to the league
office about Aiden Hutchison, their star defender, being blocked illegally.
Speaker 4 (22:40):
Okay, got story, got a lot.
Speaker 8 (22:41):
Of attention, including Hutchison just you know, came back from
that nasty leg injury. Well then Dan Campbell talked about it,
and uh, here we go.
Speaker 7 (22:50):
That's a bogus report. I don't know where that came from.
Nobody from here ever did that. That's bold.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
I was just curious if you saw any different.
Speaker 7 (23:00):
No, man, Oh, games played a certain way. That's the
way it goes. Man, it doesn't matter whether we're doing
or somebody else is doing it to our guys. We
know that and we play accordingly.
Speaker 4 (23:12):
You've been in the media a long time.
Speaker 8 (23:14):
When the number one ESPN NFL newsbreaker has this and
Dan Campbell's calls it bogus.
Speaker 4 (23:21):
What's going on? Are the Lions complaining in the league office?
Are they not?
Speaker 8 (23:26):
Is much as his agent doing it? Something fishy going
on here. But Dan Campbell was like pointing and fired
up in that video.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
I believe it. I am a Dan Campbell is authentic,
and I think he's incredibly emotionally honest. So is I don't.
I don't think Dan Campbell's trying to manipulate the media.
I don't think. I think he's one of the nicest
guys in the league. I think he's one of the
more honest guys in the league. There are very few
guys like Rabel. What you get you get, Campbell, what
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you get you get, todd Ball, what you get you
get Like some of these guys they played to the media.
Those guys don't Cannibell's all these all facts, all honest,
all raw. He just lets us see all. Yeah. I
mean he gets emotional talking about football, he comes to tears.
He doesn't care. He's just an honest guy.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (24:19):
I will say, you know, you do the segment where
Colin was right, where Colin was wrong, I was wrong
on Campbell.
Speaker 4 (24:24):
I remember remember that one. I like, he's not a
top twenty coach.
Speaker 8 (24:28):
And you were like, oh wait, wait a minute, all
these Lions fans came after me.
Speaker 4 (24:31):
I was wrong. He's good.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Dan Campble's a coach. I still have my issues with
Nick Siriani. I have none with Dan Campbell none. He's built.
He's a very very good coach, very good. Yeah, he
just does it differently. Shanahan's the scheme guy, and I
think Dan's the emotional culture builder. I mean, Detroit doesn't
have to have great defenses. They are still physical. They
just do it on the offensive.
Speaker 8 (24:53):
So I remember they weren't good. I think they started
like Ohen seven or Oen eight. They had it, but
did they let him bake? And he built a culture
which leads up to our final story, and that's the
Jets who Aaron.
Speaker 4 (25:03):
Glenn is supposedly building a culture there. I don't know.
Speaker 8 (25:05):
The Jets are winless, they stink, and bo Nicks is
not overlooking Aaron Glenn's Jets this weekend.
Speaker 10 (25:14):
Well, I think in the in the league, quite honestly,
it's a little disrespectful to consider anybody a trap team.
I think you know, they're an NFL team and they're
gonna have some really good players on their defense, and
it's it's not really, you know, a trap game. I
think any game you can walk in and slip up
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and lose. That's just the league. So you know, if
you're not careful in a way, all of them could
be because they're that good of an opponent.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Plus that you remember. I'm staying away from this game
smart because my take is the Broncos come off a
huge win, the Jets get humiliated. These are pro athletes.
I think it's a touchdown game. I like Denver to win,
but I think it's really close. I am this is
a couple of weeks ago. I stayed away from the
Chargers over the Giants, and the Bills over the Saints,
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and the Packers blowing out the Cowboys. Looks so obvious.
This looks too obvious. Stay away.
Speaker 4 (26:13):
Half the battle is dodging landmine.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
This is a landmine game. Yeah. One team off a
wildly emotional win on the road in Philly. The Jets
get humiliated. Jets have players, Jets have good players.
Speaker 8 (26:23):
Looks like some of their defenders are trending back from
injury this week.
Speaker 4 (26:27):
I don't know that. Are you waking up at six
thirty am? Yes, yes, well he actually you'll be yeah, you.
Speaker 8 (26:32):
Won't have to wait eighty six thirty for my team.
Might be a late Saturday night for old j Mack
boozing it up.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
I will be up at eight thirty Chicago time watching
Sean Payton and Bowneck.
Speaker 8 (26:48):
I do like waking up to a bunch of texts
about the London games.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
Oh my gosh, how did I bet on this crap?
You know, like bad bad quarterback. I was in living
in Vegas, out of college. College football wasn't as popular,
so you would at the best games in the country,
like the Miami Hurricanes and the Florida State Seminoles Bobby
Bowden at nine in the morning and on Friday night,
I would do the local sports and then I would
go to the Palace Station and I would bet all
those early Florida games and party all night and sleep
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in and I'd wake up and I'd be like, oh,
I hit a couple of bets where I lost, but
I was like that was that was my first wave
of bets. It was the early morning Pacific time bets. Boy,
forget it right, that's what they say, bet and forget y'all.
Don't stress over every down, which some of us tend
to do occasionally. Jmack with the news.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
Well, that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
It has been a thinking of Phil Simps. It has
been a bad stretch for New York sports teams. Oh
my god. Now there's a story out there today that
Yannis is leaving the Bucks, and legitimate people are reporting
the league's been notified Yannis is leaving. Now I would
have done this two years ago. New York gonna get
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a lot of New York nick talk. Keep your eye
on the Orlando Magic and the Minnesota Timberwolves. Keep your
eye on Orlando and Minnesota. They got the pieces and
the picks, and they've got stars who need another equal
star next to them. Ant and Yannis, Pablo Boncaro and Yannis.
Speaker 8 (28:24):
Just remember Kevin Durant was traded to the Sun. That
came out of nowhere. A few years ago, we were
at the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
Golden State wants Giannis. They'd have to give up pods
coaminga four first round picks and some expiring contract.
Speaker 8 (28:38):
One of the smart guys on staff who shares my
name is floating the Minnesota Timberwolf.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
Yeah, no, no, that's if you go look at the herds. Yeah,
if you go look at picks and yes, that's that's nasty.
Speaker 4 (28:49):
Those are two top six players in the league.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
Keep your eye in Houston.
Speaker 4 (28:54):
Houston's good. They might win the title this year.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
You gotta give up, You're gonna you gotta give up
Aman Thompson. Though I don't know he's good, you're not.
You're not getting this guy for an end table. You
gotta give up something to get something. H
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
We bring in Chris Simms on the show pretty regularly,
and then there's Matt Simms. He's working at the other place.
But you know who I relate to is Phil Simms,
because now we're both at the age where we wake
up and we go to the pill closet and the
vitamin closet. And Phil Simms, host of SIMS Complete on
the Believe Network. He's joining us fifteen years. We just
(00:46):
talked about nad magnesium and Omega three pills during the
break and I've never felt better about my decisions. You
and I do the the same life. I just go
off a little more than you.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
I mean, we were talking like two old guys sitting there. Hey,
I take this in the morning and that, and I'm
gonna just tell everybody out there, whatever I'm taking, it's working, Okay,
does that feel good and not sleep great.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
There you go. Same thing. So fifteen quarterbacks right now
right have one hundred plus passer rating. Two years ago
it was six.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
Now.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Some of it phil is because I think there's a
lot more good offensive coaching. There's a lot of sharp
young guys out there. And I also think everybody plays zone,
so it's a little throw to a spot. You lived
in a world where it was man to man coverage.
Now it's zone and you just throw to a spot.
And a lot of these young guys are strong and
throw to a spot. But when you look at your
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era and this era of quarterback play, do you see
a gap? I mean, does it feel easier today with
some of the rule changes.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
Well, I think yeah. The first thing you say, throw
it to a spot. Everybody's playing zone and they want
to keep their eyes on the quarterback in the backfield
to stop the big runs down the field. And if
you play zone in the NFL, it's the quarterbacks that
we're seeing out there.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Now.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
You say fifteen, I would probably say more. They're gonna
pick you apart, and that's what defense is want. We're
gonna let you complete the passes, but we're gonna run up,
tackle you, and you have to go with long drives,
sustain a lot of plays to score. That's what you see.
And these quarterbacks they just keep getting better every year.
(02:22):
And to answer your question, Colin, my era that I
played in, I don't know what to say. This whole
group that plays now, they are remarkably different and better
than what we put on the field, I think most
of the time.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
So I love watching the old films with you and Parcels,
and it's just that confrontational stuff. It's funny, it rights itself.
But Philadelphia right now is having an identity crisis. They
don't know what they are. Back with Parcels, did you
guys even use the word identity or is that one
of those words like narrative that everybody uses, or did
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you just like, listen this every week was a different
game plan or did Bill believe in, Hey, this is
what we are, this is what we're always going to be.
We're not going to deviate because Philadelphia right now doesn't
know what the hell they are. They're a run team
and they can't figure it out. Again, go back to
your six years Giant Super Bowls dominant team, was identity discussed.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
Never never I don't know. You know, hell, you know
these player only meetings. I will say this, we did
a couple of them. I hated them. I didn't pay attention.
I'm like, please get it over with. Let's get out
of here. Because the guy that set the table, the
guy that walked in there every day, Bill Parcels, that
was the player's meeting, and okay, whatever he said, we
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didn't have to have a player's meeting because he was
going to take care of himself and he knew when
to do that. And so when I see the players
doing it, then I go, Okay, I believe it works
for them if that's what it is. But I would
prefer Nick Sirianni get in front of the team and going, hey,
all right, enough of this, let's do this. We're gonna
move on. And if you don't want to be part
(04:07):
of it, good, I'll get somebody else and let it go. Yeah.
So yeah, I mean, gosh, almighty, you've won so many games,
what is it, twenty out of twenty one, and here
we are having players meetings and things like that. It'says Philadelphia.
It's different, that's for sure.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
So there are quarterbacks and coaching relationships you know, the
creative gene of Andy Reid and Mahomes is such a
good fit because Mahomes is a creative type, and then
there are Sometimes it just works despite the fact that
the coach and the quarterback may not see eye to eye.
I think Big Ben and Tomlin it just worked because
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Big Ben was so damn talented. But I look at
Shanahan and outside of Trey Lance, I mean, Kyle shab
was a pro bowler. He won with Brian Hoyer, Mac
Jones was done. Mac Jones now is unbelievable. So when
you look at Kyle Shanahan, what did I say, Ryan?
What named I screw up Matt Shop. When you look
(05:10):
at Kyle Shanahan, he virtually takes every quarterback he's had.
Garoppolo has disappeared since he left. What's the secret, Sauce,
What do you think he does? The language he speaks,
the touch, the feel he has. What is it with Kyle?
Because I'd argue today Phil, no coach is winning with
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lest They have sixty percent of their starters, their playmakers
are all hurt.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
Yes, Hey, it comes down to this. You talk about
mac Jones, people ask me, Hey, whatever all this? Howd
he play. I said, yeah, Kyle Shanahan gave him the
Mac Jones offense. That's what he did. Who's my quarterback.
I'm going to adapt to him and call and design
plays that fit him. And everything they did in that
game against the Los Angeles Rams, it was right out
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of the book. Hey, Mac Jones special. Well, he's a
big guy, can stand in there, he can get rid
of the football quick, He's a good decision maker. Everything
that's good for him Kyle Shanahan put into that game plan.
If it had been Rock Perdy playing that game, we'd
have seen some rollouts, deeper drops, moving, and many more
throws deep down the field probably. But that's the one
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thing about Kyle. You can go through all the quarterbacks
that he's had, and when they get a chance to play,
basically they all play well. So that's not luck. That's
him designing plays and knowing how to call it.
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Speaker 1 (07:04):
So I made this argument earlier that I'm okay, many
of our great quarterbacks have been a little reckless at times.
Now now, Aaron Rodgers was one of the first where
you got the upside without the interceptions. But Nameth and
Elway and Peyton threw a lot of picks and Eli did,
uh yeah, I mean, but I mean Baker Mayfield has
(07:26):
the most turnover worthy plays so far in the league,
according to PFF. And my take is, well, that's Baker's style.
He plays through his chest. He's a big emotion guy.
I think if you try to change Baker, you lose
who Baker is. What do you make of him as
a quarterback?
Speaker 3 (07:47):
Well, first off, they're not trying to change him down
in Tampa Bay. I watch his games because I enjoy
him and because he is a fun watch and let
me tell you, he is an elite thrower of the football.
He throws that damn thing exactly where he wants it
to go, and his decision making is pretty good. But
I like the fact that he's aggressive because he can be.
(08:07):
I'll tell you a quick story that just personifies who
Baker Mayfield is. Somebody asked Todd Bowles, how would you
describe Baker Mayfield? And Todd Bowles took a quick second
break and he goes I would say, Baker, will you
walk across the room there and stick your face in
the fan? He would do it, And that's who he is.
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He's just tough as hell, resilient, can really throw the football,
and he's He's great for the team because he doesn't
eat up a lot of space about Baker Baker Baker
like some quarterbacks do with their teams. He's part of
the group, the players, loving and Tampa Bay. Whatever he's doing,
I would say, just keep doing it because it's going well.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
All right, let's get a little update your thoughts on
Jackson Dart, the new Giants guy. He's got to look
he's kind of cool looking and he's got a decent arm.
I don't what do you make of what you've seen
so far?
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Yeah, he is cool. I gotta admit. I was down
at training camp a lot. I watched him every day,
really close. Not every day, but almost, and he didn't
have bad days. He threw the ball well. And I
think the one thing that I made a mistake on
until I found it late right before the draft, I
was watching his more of his tapes and everything to
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see what I really thought about even all of a sudden,
I went, wow, I have underestimated his mobility. And his
mobility has been a big part of these first two games.
And what I like about it is he's reading the
defense whatever, trying to throw it, but if the gap
is open in front of him, it's straight down the
middle every time. And he's been really good at that.
They had a chance to beat to the New Orleans Saints.
(09:41):
I thought they were the better team, but the mistakes,
that's what you're going to get with the young quarterback.
You don't pull him back too much. You just kind
of go all right, settle down a little bit, but
you want to keep being aggressive because being aggressive gives
you a chance to be a really good quarterback too.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
So when you were with a Giant, so was Bill Belichick,
and I know on the defensive side. I never thought
he was a college football guy. I think college football
is a little more joyful, the bands, the alumni, the parents.
Bill's a pro guy to me. You know, I never
got it. Are you surprised it's been this big of
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a kind of a mess so far.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
Well, I think we were together thirteen years with the Giants.
He came in in seventy nine, I think the same
year I did. But yeah, I listen, I'm very surprised.
I thought he would go down there and kind of
show college football there's a little different way to do this.
Well he did it a different way, but it's not working.
And you know, I, hey, look, you don't spend thirteen
(10:43):
years with the guy. He did a lot of great
things for me. He said things to me, talk to
me when I needed it, and all that stuff, and
taught me too. But so I feel bad, and I
hope somehow, Honestly, I just hope when the year's over,
I hope he decides to do something else, because man,
it's almost impossible to watch the games. It's that bad.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Yeah, it really is, you know, And I'm sure you've
been asked this before it goes on the speakers circuit.
The Giants have had a really bad ten year run.
New York Sports right now is a bit of a
has met spill. Ye, that's bad. And you can always
point fingers. I mean, the Yankees have been very patient
(11:25):
and they've had some success. If I pointed to you
and said, okay, give me a paragraph on what's gone
wrong with the Giants, coaches, quarterbacks, GM's ownership. Because it listen,
when I worked at the other place, I always said
they were the accounting firm of the NFL. They were quiet,
they didn't make a lot of noise, they were well run.
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They were never flashy, but you knew the numbers were right.
They just they were smart. Something has gone haywire because
I always thought the Jets were squarely, but the Giants
were big blue. They would figure it out. Phil, it
has been a rough, rough stretch. Where do you point
the fingers?
Speaker 3 (12:07):
Well, you know you always start with this player acquisitions.
You know, the draft. You hope it goes well. There's
so much into it, and you know, I don't know
how these guys have great drafts sometimes because you just
never know about players, even though you do all the research,
but the draft hasn't been great. But these last couple
of years, the guys that they've been drafting, they're playing
and actually doing pretty well. So I really don't have
(12:31):
an answer for that why it's not going well, But
I do look at other teams they're having success, and
what they have is just a group of stars that
are all in and they're connected to the coach and
it's hard and tough, and that's who they are that'll
never go away from football. And if you want to win,
you've got to be physical, you've got to be tough,
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and you've got to be smart. And I'm not saying
the Giants aren't that, but maybe the personnel has not
given them that chance. So I'm going to go to
the game tonight and I think they'll play the Philadelphia
Eagles close, and I won't walk out of the stadium
shocked if they win, but I'll be happy because I'm
just gonna be honest, I'm gonna root for the Giants.
(13:12):
So yeah, it's unbelievable. Every year I see the draft
all this, I go to training camp and I go,
this might be the year. This is the year. And
with the lead neighbors, and of course the quarterback and everything.
I was watching the pass rush. I said, man, they
got a chance, and they've had two chances, and they
lost both of those games Dallas and down in New Orleans.
(13:34):
Yeah that changes a year, Colin. I mean, just think
if they'd beat Dallas in overtime or beat New Orleans
all of a sudden, we'd be going, hey, look at
the film. What about the Giants? Man, they might be
in the playoffs. That's how close it is. I think
in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
This just popped into my head. You're covering some college
football now sims complete on the Believe Network. So we'll
wrap it up with this. Your son played at Texas,
and I've said this before. Of the five toughest jobs
in all of sports in America, quarterback of the Texas
Longhorns is near the top of that list. It is
insane pressure, the donors, the coaching, the culture. It's it's
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almost got an NFL feel in terms of it's in
a cool city. There's a lot of business, there's a
lot of money. It's not your typical rural college where
you can you get a friendly media and everybody's Texas
football is big it's bigger than a lot of college
NFL programs, right, It's bigger than Jaguars football in Jacksonville.
Your son played there. Arch Manning is really struggling. Take
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me to the pressure your sun felt, and that it's
just not another college quarterback job at Texas. It feels
almost professional.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
Yeah, you know, I don't know if I could even
answer that question about my son. We never talked about
how you're feeling and all that, and you know, I
would always gave words of encouragement, and I not to
get off target here, but I always say to like
a pair some quarterbacks that are coming up through high
school that are really good and in the pros, I
say to them, stay with them, be in contact of
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them as much as you can to help them through
all the hardships are going to come, because if you don't,
it's just not going to work out well. And I'm
not sitting here going to confession, but you know, I
didn't make that connection with my kids as much as
I should have. I should have been on top of
it more. And you know, always say this too. They're
eighteen year olds coming out of high school. What the
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hell do they know? They don't know much of nothing right,
and so I should have been there as a parent
to give them more information. But with arch Manning, I'll
say this, I studied him during the off season. I
loved it everything about him and what I'm seeing now,
I was like, wow, I just I did not see
any of this last year. But I would boil down
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to this, just try to relax, whatever it is. But
his throwing is what has caught my attention. It just
hasn't been on target. He rushes, throws, his motion looks
like it's changed from what I saw last year, and
I think that's part of the problem. When you call
him When you throw the ball well and you know
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where it's going to go, you don't become a good
decision maker. You become great great You see it, you
believe it, you complete it, and let's move on. And
right now, I just see doubt sometimes in arch Manning
when he's throwing the football. That's he's like, oh, I
want to complete it. You know when you want to
complete him too bad? It usually doesn't work. So we'll see,
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you know, more experience, I will say, he'll kind of
fix this and look a lot better as the year
goes along.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
Phil as always we talked about once every couple of years.
I always loved chatting with you. Great wisdom, and you
look fantastic. I'm not going to say your age, people
can google it, but you look you look really good.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
Well Hill, all right, well my wife never tells me that.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Yeah, okay, should.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
Hey, you know, listen, I'm looking for interviews, so bring
me on every once in a while. You know, I'd
like to beat it up, you know, And all right,
this would be the last thing I say real quick.
The quarterbacks. I know you like the guy at Oregon,
and you know what you should. He's really good. Yes,
and Oregon, if you want to be a good quarterback,
go up there and get taught and run that offense.
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You'll do well. But what's coming into the draft this year,
it's probably going to be real. There's going to be
a lot of them. But you know what's coming in
the following year behind them is another damn group. So
this quarterback situation, there's enough quarterbacks to go around for
this hole. Lead. The big thing is can we get
coaches to create a scheme to lead the team to
let these quarterbacks show who they are? I mean, what
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happened all of a sudden. Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnold are
stars when we watch them, and they were thrown to
the sidewalk a couple of years ago.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
So there you go, Phil Simms. We will bring you
back on and I mean it, We're going to bring
you back. I love this, I appreciate it. Thanks man.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
It'd be great if you bring me back and then
pay me. I don't like that. Even better.
Speaker 7 (18:04):
We do that.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
Fox is doing well, the stock prices up. We got
plenty of cash here.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
All right, Well, thank you, thanks for having me on, Colin.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
You bet, Phil Simms, uh it, Phil's great. All right,
we take a break. We'll wrap it up with her
Line next.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
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Speaker 1 (18:29):
Show flying by. We've had good guests this week. A
rod stop by Greg Cosel, Phil Simms. Today Jmack with
the news. Turn on the news.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
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Speaker 8 (18:44):
Well, Colin, let's start with the Cleveland Browns, the Factory
of Sadness. They've got a quarterback situation. Everybody's waiting to
find out who the backup to do Gabriel will be
Kevin Sefanski is not showing his cards. Will it be Schador,
Sanders or Bailey Zappie, Colin, that's the legitimate story.
Speaker 4 (19:03):
Out of Cleveland. Who's going to be the backup? And
here's the Fansky talking about it.
Speaker 9 (19:08):
I always have to be mindful of our players and
our players' development, and you know, I want to make
sure that I'm always doing what's best for our players
and of course our team. But you know, with young players,
I'm always thinking about last week making the change with
to Dylan. You have to think long and hard about
that because these are these are young players that you're
so invested in their developments.
Speaker 8 (19:31):
Yeah, Colin, this is if you listen closely players development.
Bailey Zappi ain't developing. Okay, he's a veteran backup.
Speaker 4 (19:41):
It sounds to me like Shauduur ain't going to be
the backup this that.
Speaker 8 (19:44):
That's my read from this quote. Maybe I'm reading between
the lines, but is it strange that he's up there
answering questions about it.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
It's so funny there's this contingent in Cleveland that thinks,
you know, should do or they're against Shaudo or Sanders.
You do get that Cleveland wishes he was Andrew lucked right,
so nobody's against him. I think his lack of maturity.
I think he was more of a projected, more as
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a work than he was ready to play. But it
is shocking. I do not remember, and all I've been
doing this thirty years, I do not remember ever there
being a quarterback that was largely understood quarterbacks drop in
the draft all the time, but was considered late first,
early second by people I trust that not only dropped
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to the fifth round. He's a scout team guy basically
for Cleveland. I mean the way Stefanski talks, yeah, like
he's he's he's a backup but won't play.
Speaker 8 (20:45):
So my take and I this probably isn't going to
be popular.
Speaker 4 (20:49):
I think this speaks to the media environment right now. Colin.
Speaker 8 (20:51):
I hate to be mean, but nobody cares about anything
going on with the Cleveland Browns. The only way that
they're getting clicks in Cleveland is something should Sanders related.
So is he going to be the backup coach? What's
up with the development. That's the only thing nobody cares
about the Browns. Isaiah Bond, Harold Finnin, Nobody. I think Stefanski.
Every action from Stefanski tells you Chadeur's not it.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
So I just followed the act of Stefanski's real bright
Andrew Berry's history drafting is really good. These are smart guys.
He can't play. And again in my life, I do
not remember everybody's saying untill late first, mid first, mid second,
quarterback Nelly drops but can't move up the rotation. Cleveland
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would love him to be great because they have that
Dashaun contract. They would love a free quarterback from the
fifth round. You could get out from within Deshaun Watson's mess.
If he could plays, you don't pay. I mean, it's
like brock perty pay. A part of his appeal was
he's as good as Garoppolo or better and he's free
for four years. That's very appealing to teams.
Speaker 8 (21:59):
By the way, remember we talked about this spot line
starting to tick up.
Speaker 4 (22:03):
Everybody's noticing, Oh, Cleveland's coming off. London Steelers off a
bye in the desert. This is six and a half.
It's five and a half for Fox here. It's heading up.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
This is gonna be probably a touchdown. What is it
right now?
Speaker 8 (22:15):
I saw six and a half in the desert on
the screen. We got five and a half because you know,
we put this up earlier. But I like a lot
Pittsburgh here, and I don't like Aaron Rodgers, you know,
so I don't want to give away Friday headlines, but
I like Pittsburgh here a lot. Let's move on, Colin
to the Detroit Lions. This is an interesting one. So
a report surface that the Lions complained to the league
office about Aiden Hutchison, their star defender, being blocked illegally.
Speaker 4 (22:40):
Okay, got story, got a lot.
Speaker 8 (22:41):
Of attention, including Hutchison just you know, came back from
that nasty leg injury. Well then Dan Campbell talked about it,
and uh, here we go.
Speaker 7 (22:50):
That's a bogus report. I don't know where that came from.
Nobody from here ever did that. That's bold.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
I was just curious if you saw any different.
Speaker 7 (23:00):
No, man, Oh, games played a certain way. That's the
way it goes. Man, it doesn't matter whether we're doing
or somebody else is doing it to our guys. We
know that and we play accordingly.
Speaker 4 (23:12):
You've been in the media a long time.
Speaker 8 (23:14):
When the number one ESPN NFL newsbreaker has this and
Dan Campbell's calls it bogus.
Speaker 4 (23:21):
What's going on? Are the Lions complaining in the league office?
Are they not?
Speaker 8 (23:26):
Is much as his agent doing it? Something fishy going
on here. But Dan Campbell was like pointing and fired
up in that video.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
I believe it. I am a Dan Campbell is authentic,
and I think he's incredibly emotionally honest. So is I don't.
I don't think Dan Campbell's trying to manipulate the media.
I don't think. I think he's one of the nicest
guys in the league. I think he's one of the
more honest guys in the league. There are very few
guys like Rabel. What you get you get, Campbell, what
(23:58):
you get you get, todd Ball, what you get you
get Like some of these guys they played to the media.
Those guys don't Cannibell's all these all facts, all honest,
all raw. He just lets us see all. Yeah. I
mean he gets emotional talking about football, he comes to tears.
He doesn't care. He's just an honest guy.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (24:19):
I will say, you know, you do the segment where
Colin was right, where Colin was wrong, I was wrong
on Campbell.
Speaker 4 (24:24):
I remember remember that one. I like, he's not a
top twenty coach.
Speaker 8 (24:28):
And you were like, oh wait, wait a minute, all
these Lions fans came after me.
Speaker 4 (24:31):
I was wrong. He's good.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Dan Campble's a coach. I still have my issues with
Nick Siriani. I have none with Dan Campbell none. He's built.
He's a very very good coach, very good. Yeah, he
just does it differently. Shanahan's the scheme guy, and I
think Dan's the emotional culture builder. I mean, Detroit doesn't
have to have great defenses. They are still physical. They
just do it on the offensive.
Speaker 8 (24:53):
So I remember they weren't good. I think they started
like Ohen seven or Oen eight. They had it, but
did they let him bake? And he built a culture
which leads up to our final story, and that's the
Jets who Aaron.
Speaker 4 (25:03):
Glenn is supposedly building a culture there. I don't know.
Speaker 8 (25:05):
The Jets are winless, they stink, and bo Nicks is
not overlooking Aaron Glenn's Jets this weekend.
Speaker 10 (25:14):
Well, I think in the in the league, quite honestly,
it's a little disrespectful to consider anybody a trap team.
I think you know, they're an NFL team and they're
gonna have some really good players on their defense, and
it's it's not really, you know, a trap game. I
think any game you can walk in and slip up
(25:35):
and lose. That's just the league. So you know, if
you're not careful in a way, all of them could
be because they're that good of an opponent.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Plus that you remember. I'm staying away from this game
smart because my take is the Broncos come off a
huge win, the Jets get humiliated. These are pro athletes.
I think it's a touchdown game. I like Denver to win,
but I think it's really close. I am this is
a couple of weeks ago. I stayed away from the
Chargers over the Giants, and the Bills over the Saints,
(26:06):
and the Packers blowing out the Cowboys. Looks so obvious.
This looks too obvious. Stay away.
Speaker 4 (26:13):
Half the battle is dodging landmine.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
This is a landmine game. Yeah. One team off a
wildly emotional win on the road in Philly. The Jets
get humiliated. Jets have players, Jets have good players.
Speaker 8 (26:23):
Looks like some of their defenders are trending back from
injury this week.
Speaker 4 (26:27):
I don't know that. Are you waking up at six
thirty am? Yes, yes, well he actually you'll be yeah, you.
Speaker 8 (26:32):
Won't have to wait eighty six thirty for my team.
Might be a late Saturday night for old j Mack
boozing it up.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
I will be up at eight thirty Chicago time watching
Sean Payton and Bowneck.
Speaker 8 (26:48):
I do like waking up to a bunch of texts
about the London games.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
Oh my gosh, how did I bet on this crap?
You know, like bad bad quarterback. I was in living
in Vegas, out of college. College football wasn't as popular,
so you would at the best games in the country,
like the Miami Hurricanes and the Florida State Seminoles Bobby
Bowden at nine in the morning and on Friday night,
I would do the local sports and then I would
go to the Palace Station and I would bet all
those early Florida games and party all night and sleep
(27:14):
in and I'd wake up and I'd be like, oh,
I hit a couple of bets where I lost, but
I was like that was that was my first wave
of bets. It was the early morning Pacific time bets. Boy,
forget it right, that's what they say, bet and forget y'all.
Don't stress over every down, which some of us tend
to do occasionally. Jmack with the news.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
Well, that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
It has been a thinking of Phil Simps. It has
been a bad stretch for New York sports teams. Oh
my god. Now there's a story out there today that
Yannis is leaving the Bucks, and legitimate people are reporting
the league's been notified Yannis is leaving. Now I would
have done this two years ago. New York gonna get
(28:00):
a lot of New York nick talk. Keep your eye
on the Orlando Magic and the Minnesota Timberwolves. Keep your
eye on Orlando and Minnesota. They got the pieces and
the picks, and they've got stars who need another equal
star next to them. Ant and Yannis, Pablo Boncaro and Yannis.
Speaker 8 (28:24):
Just remember Kevin Durant was traded to the Sun. That
came out of nowhere. A few years ago, we were
at the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
Golden State wants Giannis. They'd have to give up pods
coaminga four first round picks and some expiring contract.
Speaker 8 (28:38):
One of the smart guys on staff who shares my
name is floating the Minnesota Timberwolf.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
Yeah, no, no, that's if you go look at the herds. Yeah,
if you go look at picks and yes, that's that's nasty.
Speaker 4 (28:49):
Those are two top six players in the league.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
Keep your eye in Houston.
Speaker 4 (28:54):
Houston's good. They might win the title this year.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
You gotta give up, You're gonna you gotta give up
Aman Thompson. Though I don't know he's good, you're not.
You're not getting this guy for an end table. You
gotta give up something to get something. H
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