October 27, 2025 • 29 mins
Carson Palmer joins The Herd to talk about the timing and rhythm issues Bears QB Caleb Williams is having with Ben Johnson's offense, what helped Jordan Love early in his NFL career, the play of Broncos QB Bo Nix this season, and more
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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(00:22):
listening to Fox Sports Radio with that great Carson Palmer
is joining us live. We always appreciate that. Fifteen years
in the NFL. You know, it's funny about timing and rhythm.
And I've said this before when you came out of USC,
I'm like, that's what a quarterback should look. Big, confident,
strong arm throwing it and you could move like we
tend to forget that Drew Brees early could move. You know,
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as guys get older, they move less. But where do
you fall on the timing and rhythm and then off
script stuff? Because I do feel like off script is
probably what wins you Super Bowls. But the timing and
rhythm stuff you should be played at a pretty high
level with that. Like what do you see with Caleb
that maybe you look at and it concerns you.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Yeah, the timing and rhythm aspect of his game and
just playing within the pocket is nonexistent. His outside the pocket,
you know, making a play, extending a play is as
good as anybody else in the league, with maybe the
exception of Mahomes. I mean, once he gets outside the pocket,
he's got the ability to contort his body to throw
it back across the field, across his body, he's got zip,
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he's got velocity on the ball. Athletically, That's where he
thrives is outside the pocket. That's one of the hardest
places to make it in the NFL is outside the pocket.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
I mean it's that system.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
You look at Jared gofflet what he was doing with
Jared Goff when he was in Detroit last year. Everything
Jared did and all of their success in Detroit came
from within the pocket. And I just have yet to
watch a game where I've seen him excel in the
pocket and you know, drop back, take, you know, go
through his footwork, whether it's five steps, one hitch, two hitch,
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three hitch, and then extend to play.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
You're just seeing him get to the pocket, look around,
look around, and.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Then escape, as opposed to getting the soft spot in
the pocket and then stepping up and going through his
progressions and going through his reads, I just don't see
the development there for the last couple of years. And
I don't see a comfort level with Caleb's game within
the pocket.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
So I think the amazing thing about Jordan Love he
sat for three years. To be a first round pick,
you had to sit for a year behind a guy
that you were clearly more gifted.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
Then good guy.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
But like Mahomes sat behind Alex Smith, I get a year.
When you're sitting for three years, it would pull your
hair out. And here's Jordan Love, total grown up mature.
How hard do you think it was to sit for
three full years and get no meaningful snaps as a
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pro athlete, What do you make of that?
Speaker 3 (02:57):
It's a huge.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Challenge, especially you know, if you're pick, you've probably been
good since the fourth or fifth grade, so you've been
on the field, you know, since the fourth or fifth grade.
So for the first time in your career, you're having
to sit and watch somebody else play. And you know,
fortunately for him, he wasn't probably ripping his hair out
because he's watching Aaron Rodgers. He was still playing at it,
you know, extremely elite level. And you referenced it earlier, Colin,
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when you talked about his game, Jordan's game reminding you
of Patrick Mahomes when I watched when I watched Jordan
Love play, he reminds me of Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
I mean the way he throws the ball, the way he.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Moves within the pocket, the velocity the ball comes out,
with the quickness that the ball comes out with. I
think he spent those three years diagnosing his game, picking
up on little things, watching the way he worked, watching
the drills he did in practice, and he's built that
because he did not look like that coming out of Nevada.
The ball did not come out that way. You know,
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he wasn't. He wasn't you know, gifted enough to throw
the ball, you know, off balance and off platform the
way he is right now. Some of the else he
was throwing last night, you know, like you've seen Aaron
do for years. You know, he's not planted in the ground.
He's not using to force the ground while the ball's
coming off of his index finger. He's generating the velocity
from his lower half and coming off the ground, but
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still getting velocity and spin and RPMs of the football
coming off his index finger. Much like we saw Aaron
Rodgers and much like he watched Aaron Rodgers do for
three years while he was sitting behind him waiting for
his opportunity.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
So I want to talk Boon Knicks. He right now
is playing so well on third down. So I always
thought of third down as a quarterback down. Maybe it's
a coaches down. How much of third down success for
bon Knicks is Sean Sean Payton? How much is bow?
How much is personnel? How do you view third down?
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Hugely on both sides as far as what bo Knicks
is at God given abilities are and what coach Sean.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Payton brings the table.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
So you compare, you know, or you combine a great
offensive minded coach and then a quarterback that's really mature,
really smart, really does a good job taking care of
the football, and he has the ability if number one
and number two aren't there, to get out there.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
And move the chains with his feet's that's.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
A really rare, unique and rare combination that they have
going in Denver.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Yeah, the Daniel Jones story is fascinating. So I've seen
Baker and Sam Darnold reinvent themselves and Daniel Jones. I'm
the first to admit I just didn't see it. I
thought he was kind of stiff. I didn't think he
was terribly fluid. I thought the easy stuff fifteen and
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under looked too hard. And now I watch him in
Indian I'm like, Oh, You've got to sign him to
an extension. This is a big, strong, athletic guy.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
I mean, hey, I missed on that did Are you
surprised they're the number one most efficient offense in the
league by a long shot? Are you surprised at all?
Speaker 3 (06:00):
Oh? I'm not.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
I mean I've always liked his game. I wasn't quite
sure of him when he was coming.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
Out of Duke.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
The athletic ability is there. I mean he showed it
time and time again in New York. Now having protection
and having the confidence and the guys in front of you.
They were a mess up front in New York his
entire time there, and they still are a bit of
a mess up front. But you give him a solid
offensive line with Jonathan Taylor, and a defense and.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
A great young play caller. I really like this setup
for Daniel.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
You know, the only thing that you know you don't
love about his game is he doesn't have just an
overpowering arm. You know, a ton of veloscity on the football,
but he doesn't need it. I think he's always done
a good job moving and extending plays.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
I mean, you you.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Know some of the players plays you think back because
he was in that New York media. You know the
long fifty yard or sixty yard run where he tripped in.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
The open field. You know that got.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Overhyped and overplayed, but the guy still took off for
fifty all the time in New York. He was always
making plays with the Lakes. So the athletic ability is there.
You give him, you know, the running game and the
offensive line play that he's had along with you know,
that defense and that play color.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
It's a great recipe for him and Andy for sure.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
So it's weird it happens.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
I see it in the NBA sometimes where a really
good player leaves, but the chemistry and the ball movement improves,
and maybe it's a guy that is you know, you
bring in a guy that's less talented, but he's he's
a little better teammate, more willing passer. In the NFL,
AJ Brown doesn't play, Philadelphia explodes, and I'm like, I
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like AJ Brown I'm a fan of AJ Brown, but
I remember when the Cowboys got rid of Dez Bryant
and they loved him. He was a touchdown magnet, but
Dak was better. He didn't wake up in the morning
thinking I gotta get it to Dev's twelve times. And
I do feel like Jalen Hurts is better when he's
just sprinkling the infield. When he's throwing, he can do RPOs,
he can do toush push. And I watched a J
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Brown and I said earlier today, I'm like, I think
he would fit with Rabel in New England. I don't know,
watching yesterday without him, maybe this great athlete, they all
they do is think about getting in the ball. Did
you ever play with a team that moved off a
great athlete and actually the team was a bit more functional.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
Oh, like you said, we see it all the time.
You know.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
AJ Brown's heavy on Jalen hirts shoulders, and you sensed
it for the first six weeks of the season, you know,
and then you saw him just explode. And like you're saying,
he was just playing more fluid more, He's playing quicker.
When you have, you know, an ego or you know,
the drama that comes with somebody like like Aj that
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he's brought into that locker room and really into that
huddle and into Jalen Hurt's week. You know, as your
week is going on, and you know, you install for
some second down early in the week, then you get
to third down, then you get to red zone. As
those plays are being installed in meetings, as you're then
going out on the field and replicating them, and then
you're going back inside the meetings and watching those.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
Film filmed practice plays.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
In Jalen's mind when Aj is a part of it,
he's always thinking about it and on this play, what
if I get this? And how do I get Aj
the you know, the ball in this situation. And then
you go out on the field and you try to
do it and you try to keep him into practice
and keep his energy level eye and keep him running
a hundred, you know, running full speed because you don't
want him to run seventy percent. When you do take
a shot and then you overthrow it and then you
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know that gets heavy.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
You know that that weighs on Jalen's shoulders.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
So I was not surprised at all to see the
success they had, and I wouldn't be all that surprised
if AJ wasn't on that team for very much longer.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
How's your son doing, how's your high school team doing?
Speaker 3 (09:53):
We're doing good, We're doing good.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Santa Margarita one a big game this last weekend against
Orange Lutheran.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
We finish out the regular season.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
This Friday night on Halloween and then onto the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
Are you on?
Speaker 4 (10:04):
Are you one of those coaches on the head.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Set yelling and screaming, and uh yeah, I'm always yelling.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
I'm always screaming.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
I'm not cussing, but I'm on the headset and I'm
in the reps here NonStop, you know, and and you know,
critiquing their game more than I'm critiquing my own players game.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
But yeah, I'm that guy yelling and screaming on the
headset for sure.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
My kind of coach. Carson Palmer, great, seeing you, my man.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
Thanks.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Hell yeah, he does not age Santa Margarita, his team,
His son's the quarterback number eleven in the nation.
Speaker 4 (10:39):
Hey, you got to get on those refs. Got to
get on those guys. You know, it's like me on
J Mack.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Got to keep them in line. Sometimes you give them
that zebra shirt and I think they run the world.
Speaker 5 (10:49):
Yeah, you know, I got my first technical of my
men's league this season. Five seasons, never got a tech,
got one this season. I'm a churpy, I'm shocker.
Speaker 6 (10:58):
I'm a noisy guy sometimes.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Yeah, I just.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
I'm shocked by that.
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Speaker 1 (11:38):
Away all sorts of things happening. Josh Pate, great voice
in college football. Before the end of the show, here's
j Mack with the news.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
Turn on the news.
Speaker 7 (11:50):
This is the Herdline News.
Speaker 5 (11:52):
Let's start with one of your guys. He was my
guy first. But Drake May of the New England Patriots. Hey, man,
I love the Patriots this week, easy, no sweat winner,
crushing the hapless Cleveland Browns. May through for two eighty
two and three touchdowns at fifty rushing yards.
Speaker 6 (12:08):
I think zero trips to the blue tent, which is something.
Speaker 5 (12:12):
To watch because these young quarterbacks keep getting hurt. Drake
May loves it when the fans shower him with praise.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
I didn't hear it.
Speaker 9 (12:20):
The guys were making fun of me about my slide
back in the huddle on the long run, so I
didn't hear it. But the fans have been been awesome
all Season's been really cool though. See the different from
from last year to this year. Man, it's been a
it's been a journey, and you know, they've been through
it and they've been you know, if the fans have
been through it the last couple of years, so it's
just new credit to them. And we did the intros
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today for the first time, so we don't know how
that would go.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
That was pretty cool.
Speaker 9 (12:44):
But I know the fans have been awesome. Like I said,
I think the best fans in the league and they
continue to show out every week.
Speaker 5 (12:49):
So Colin.
Speaker 4 (12:50):
That dude is good.
Speaker 6 (12:51):
Here is he's really good. Eight games in.
Speaker 5 (12:53):
Who is the most unlikely leader in the AFC Division.
You've got the Patriots, You've got the Colts, and you
got the Broncos. Nobody had that eight weeks and zero
people had those three division leaders. Okay, nobody, everybody with
Bill's raven seas pretty much.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
I think New England's the most surprising, simply because you
have Josh Allen. But they went to Buffalo and controlled
that game. That was not a coincidental win or a
I mean, it's this kid throws such a pretty ball
and his feet aren't nervous, like he's not frenetic. He's
just a big, athletic, accurate quarterback.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
Got he throwed. The ball just looks great. He he's
like Justin Herbert. Like the ball.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
He looks like a logo. Like the ball just comes out.
It's the high point. It's accurate, it's got velocity. He's
so good.
Speaker 5 (13:41):
All right, and now that we're done glazing, let's just
keep it real. Okay, these are the last three teams
the Patriots beat. The New Orleans Saints, who are one
of the worst teams in the league. Maybe the worst,
the Tennessee Titans, who are an abomination currently, and the
Cleveland Browns, who are rotten.
Speaker 6 (13:56):
So they're beating up on the dregs and I do
mean dregs.
Speaker 4 (13:59):
Of the league.
Speaker 5 (14:01):
That being said. Next up is the Atlanta Falcons. If
it's Kirk Cousins, you could give Rabel the victory there.
If it's Pennix and maybe it's interesting, then it's Tampa,
then the hapless Jets, then Joe Flacco. I'm just guys,
if you bet the Patriots to have the number one
seed you're gonna have, you're gonna be sitting on a
fun ticket come like week seventeen.
Speaker 6 (14:20):
This team is pretty good, man. They're well rounded.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
Colin Nope, they don't have a ton of star power.
They could use I think, you know, an edge of receiver,
a sideline receiver, and maybe another pass rusher.
Speaker 4 (14:32):
But overall, good team.
Speaker 6 (14:34):
Yeah, very very good.
Speaker 5 (14:35):
Let's move on to tonight's game Monday Night Football, though
Washington Commanders getting eleven oh sorry, ten and a half.
Now in Arrowhead, I've seen some numbers that Mahomes has
not been great on Monday Night Football. You know, he
was good against the Jags, but had to pick six.
That kind of lost it for him. Overall, though the
Chiefs are rolling the last four weeks. My guy for
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Rashi Rice is on fire. Here's OC Matt Nage talking
about why the offense keeps slowing.
Speaker 10 (15:04):
Keep the execution at a high right now, which it is.
The execution by these players has been great. Protect the football.
That's been a key element is making sure that with
our defense that we have, we protect the football and
we score touchdowns.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
We're always going to be in good shape.
Speaker 10 (15:19):
And then never never get relaxed with the details. This
is a detailed offense, and so just when you think
you're doing everything the right way, all of a sudden,
one little detail can hurt you. So we're I think
our coaching staff coach read all the guys, the players,
they're professionals.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
When's that When when's that guy going to get a
head coaching opportunity a quarter.
Speaker 5 (15:38):
To never So let's just big, big news, well not
huge news. The left tackle that we talked about mysteriously
absent Josh Simmons. We're not going to guess it's a
personal matter.
Speaker 6 (15:49):
He's missing.
Speaker 5 (15:50):
So the left tackles out their guard Tray Smith, who's
very good. He is listed as doubtful again. I don't
know what chicanery is going on with the chief injury report.
Two offensive linemen down ain't great against the Washington defensive
front with Payne kin Law like, I'm just there's a
world where Washington makes this interesting, and I think the
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only play here is taking if you can get eleven great,
ten and a half is not as good.
Speaker 6 (16:17):
Obviously, do you have a.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Side here, Well, I didn't know Trey Smith was out,
but I would take Kansas City at home with Mariota
playing who gets hurt and also makes mistakes.
Speaker 5 (16:28):
So I revenge spot from Mariota against Andy Reid and
remember that tough playoff loss where I think the Titans
led like twenty one zero or nineteen nothing and blew
the game. Yeah, if you want a fun player prop
Deebo Samuel first touchdown. I do think Washington kicks in
the gear. Kingsbury looks good. Deebo samuels like plus sixteen
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hundred for first.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Tony jmck with the news, Well that's the news and
thanks for stopping by.
Speaker 7 (16:56):
The herd Line news.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
Highlight of today show has to be my Laker trade
proposal with Austin Reeves.
Speaker 4 (17:03):
Will we agree on that?
Speaker 1 (17:04):
And the Justin Herbert I made an exception. I will
allow Justin Herbert it was an off day to wear
his hat on backwards.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
I made.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
It's an executive decision. I am a romantic.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
Shame on me.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
But he's got his, you know, a new companion, and
so you got to you know, listen, you can't just
be rigid all the time. I have made an exception
on the backward hat. Next up one of the great
voices young voices of college football, Josh Pate, Lane Kiffen Lsu.
Speaker 4 (17:40):
What do we make of Indiana? Whoopie? The Hoosiers are
a power.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
It's the Hurd.
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Speaker 5 (17:57):
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Speaker 6 (18:03):
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Speaker 5 (18:09):
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Speaker 1 (18:14):
By the way, tip of the cap to our graphics
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whatever department that is.
Speaker 4 (18:25):
Way to go, That is awesome.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
His name is Josh Pate, and I think he's the
best young voice in college football hands down. The Josh
pay College Football Show on YouTube I just tremendous, and
so I want to bring him in today. He really
knows all the sport and so I thought Brian Kelly
would work. I thought the fit was weird, especially when
he did. I joked about this last night. The Hillary
Clinton Southern twang suddenly appeared. It was a little off od,
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but I thought it would work.
Speaker 4 (18:54):
Josh, it didn't. Where did it go wrong?
Speaker 3 (18:58):
All right? So I was telling someone this this morning.
I was talking to my dad about this last night.
I grew up in the Deep South.
Speaker 11 (19:04):
We are used to people from the North coming in
who have been schooled by consulting firms all located in
Manhattan on how to appeal to Southerners. So Brian Kelly
had clearly gone through that wringer before he took the
basketball court with the mic in his hand, and he
did the Southern accent, and he had these cringey videos
with recruits, every not everybody. Colin a lot of people
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think that's where the you know, the fit didn't happen.
That's not what mattered. If he would have won, they
don't care if he speaks Portuguese, pig Latin, they don't care.
If he won, he would have fit and the entirety
of Louisiana would have gotten behind him. I think fundamentally,
Brian Kelly never understood how to harness Louisiana. That sounds
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kind of Hallmark Kardish, I know, But what I really
mean by that is if you come in there and
you just do above average work in recruiting and ingratiating
yourself to those people, it is a rocket booster attached
to your back. And I mean, there's a reason Orgeron
figured out a way to win there. Unless Miles figured
out a way to win there, it's cause Louisiana figures
out a way for you.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
And what's crazy, the closer you get to.
Speaker 11 (20:10):
The program is they got some really, really good people
in that building down there. I just don't think Brian
Kelly ever really wanted to roll his sleeves up and
get dirty.
Speaker 4 (20:19):
Now, compared to someone out.
Speaker 11 (20:20):
There working forty hours a week, Brian Kelly was a
grinder compared to his peers.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
Brian Kelly was not a grinder.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
Yep, this is what I heard. You know, Dan Mullen
didn't love recruiting, hurt him at Florida. You got you
gotta roll your sleeves up.
Speaker 4 (20:33):
So I got to ask you.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
Penn State's got an opening, Florida's got an opening, LSU's
got an opening. I've been to Gainesville half a dozen times.
I think it's a great college town. Would I would
take Florida. LSU's almost its own country, it's its own vibe.
Penn State's good. But again, I get in the state
of Florida. You're an expert of this stuff. If I
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line those up and I'm Lane Keffen, let's say, and
he's going to make the playoffs at all, miss what's
viewed in the sport is the best of those three.
Speaker 11 (21:06):
There are a lot of people in the sport that
think the ls used the best job in college football.
So if you take generic college football coach, or take
them all in, pour them in a blender and pour
it out, they would say LSU, Florida, Penn State in
that order.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
But you and I have talked about this before.
Speaker 4 (21:22):
You know, as well as I do.
Speaker 11 (21:24):
There are some candidates out there that have very, very
peculiar or maybe not peculiar, but very specific ties or
draws or things they value. It could be anything from
I want to live close to the beach too, I
played in and grew up in the Midwest, to my
wife has family in eastern Pennsylvania and I'd love for
her to be close to them. That heavily impacts which
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job you take. Like if you're Kiffin, I don't particularly
feel like he's a puzzle piece fit in Pennsylvania. I
think you'd work Wonders in Gainesville. I think you'd fit
great in Baton Rouge. And on the topic of Lane,
I got to be real with you, man. Everybody's got
an opinion on this, and I do as well. Like
if I had to lean one way, I'd say fifty
five to forty five. I think he'll leave if he's
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offered one of these jobs. But you've had big offers
in front of you in life. Okay, so think about this.
You're at ESPN's It's one thing to float the concept
of going to Fox or going a political router, whatever.
It's another thing when you get the call calling the
offers on the table. It's time to discuss, it's time
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to decide yes or no. That's when you really find
out where your heart is. I'm gonna be real with you.
I don't even think Lane Kiffin's arrived at that spot yet.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
Well, I mean they're winning, it's his offense. They're gonna
make the playoffs, so there's no hurry. By the way, Okay,
explain to a casual fan. They look at Indiana and
they're like, what in the world is now? We know
Ohio State's great, Texas A and M gets, you know, great recruits.
Explain Indiana blowing out everybody and looking like, I mean,
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if they played Ohio State today, is in a one
point spread? I explain Indiana football.
Speaker 11 (23:09):
I have my dad explain Florida State football pre Bobby
Bowden to me fifty times when I was growing up,
because I grew up in the era where Florida State
was already a powerhouse. He had to explain to me. No,
once upon a time, they were like a map dot
on the college football landscape, and this guy came in
there and he harnessed what Florida State could be. But
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even then, what he was doing was getting a bunch
of kids from Florida. That's not even what SE's doing.
I think what he did do is he sort of
punted the ant bed, as me Maa would say, and
out from that ant bed came a whole lot of money.
And it turns out Indiana's always had a staggering resource
pool to invest in college football. Now, look, I immersed myself
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in this stuff, and I'd be lying if I told
you this wasn't a surprise to me.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
As well.
Speaker 11 (23:54):
What I have found hilarious is everyone wants an explainer.
Speaker 3 (23:59):
I do too.
Speaker 11 (24:00):
Sometimes a guy is just a perfect fit at the
perfect place, at the perfect time.
Speaker 4 (24:05):
Now a lot of.
Speaker 11 (24:05):
People admit that about Kurt Signetti.
Speaker 4 (24:07):
They say, oh, what a magic job he's pulled off there.
Speaker 11 (24:10):
But then that same person, in the very next breath,
when it comes coaching search time, says, all right, where's.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
The next Signetti?
Speaker 11 (24:16):
Maybe there's not one, you know, maybe this really was
just an example of a guy who was ready to jump,
and he was at James Madison took a lot of
his players with him.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
But that was last year.
Speaker 11 (24:28):
They had to reportal again this year, and you know
how bad it makes people look at major programs when
he hit with the quarterback he brought with him, But
then he went and got Mendoza at Cow. Meanwhile I
got Auburn wasting away with Jackson Arnold. I got half
a dozen other examples of places that portaled and failed.
And Kurt Signetti's just sitting over there looking pissed off
that he's only up by fifty.
Speaker 4 (24:48):
It's the craziest thing.
Speaker 7 (24:49):
In the world.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
It is in my lifetime, I'd say it's crazy. Okay,
there's a bunch of college quarterbacks. I watched Tya Simpson
again this weekend. I just want to see I want
to see. Wow, he's good. We got a minute and
a half left. If I said one of them is
going to be a number one pick a month ago,
I thought it was Dante Moore, ty Simpson, what do
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you make? Is it the kid at South Carolina who's
a hyper athletic kid, who could the Rams could take
him and sit him behind Stafford for a year. Give
me the college quarterback that you think makes a Sunday player,
good Sunday place.
Speaker 11 (25:24):
Okay, I would be with you on Lenora Sellers. So
let me put him in a compartment over here. The
one thing I'll say about Ty is something that's bitten
a lot of these guys that were hyped in the preseason,
like Kate Club, Nick Clemson or Garrettnusmeyer, is they don't
have complimentary ground games and too much has been put
on their shoulders and it's just imploded. Ty Simpson's complimentary
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ground game is not there. Bama's in like the one
hundreds in traditional rushing numbers this year. What stood out
to me, and this is a testament to him and
Ryan Grubb and Kaitlin de Bor is they've still been
able to scale their offense on his crowbar at Alabama
right now. Georgia did in the second half, but that
was after Bama already got out to a big lead
because they dominated the first half. I think that actually
speaks to the credit of Ty Simpson. And last week
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I don't think that was that tough.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
To see coming. Man.
Speaker 11 (26:13):
That's fifth straight up week in a row on the road,
desperation mode for South Carolina. They go into a buy
now they got four games, then maybe a trip to Atlanta.
I think you may see him play his best ball
down the stretch.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
Josh Pate his college football shows on YouTube. Great Voice great,
best young voice in college football.
Speaker 4 (26:32):
I have gray hair.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Everybody's young to me. But Josh is a rising of Sandegre.
You go, look at it's whatever. That's beautiful, great scene
of man.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
Great senior collin.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
All right, Josh Pate remember that name, covering college football
for fifteen years and just crushes it every time I
talk to him. Yeah, you know, he heard the same
thing I did on Brian Kelly. I talked to a
coach last year and he's like, man, it's eighty hours
the first two years here in a program. It's eighty
hours a week. He's like, Brian wants the golf. He'll
give you fifty five if you want to roll that.
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And I don't blame him. I don't blame him. I
like golf way more now than I did ten years ago. Look,
I get it.
Speaker 4 (27:11):
I'm not good at it. I'm just saying.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
I like it.
Speaker 4 (27:14):
Uh And it's uh So there you go.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
I did not ask a usc question, providing once again
an example of the kind of journalism this show employees
on a regular basis. J Mac, Yeah, I know everybody
likes Washington to night. That's not how I'm gonna roll.
Speaker 6 (27:32):
Well, we don't like Washington. I like the eleven points.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
How did you do in your picks?
Speaker 5 (27:38):
It was great four and one in the contest. I'm listen,
I'm not as hot as you, but I've had a
good three week stretch here, starting to see the ball
a little more clear off the pitcher's fingers.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
I will say this, this week was a big favorite weekend.
I've already seen the early numbers. A couple of dogs.
Speaker 5 (27:56):
Well, the numbers are inflated big time. There's a lot
to chew on here coming up this week. How about
the Rams? They are favored by a lot.
Speaker 4 (28:05):
Rams.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Let's say it again, breaking news Rams. We predicted this
after that Philly loss when they couldn't stop aj Brown.
Rams went out to the Titans, picked up a former
second round pick corner, maybe got a little size to him,
depending on how that corner plays. They give up a
fifth or a sixth round pick. They've got two fives,
two six in April and two ones. So they're like,
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we'll give you a fifth or a sixth. If he plays,
we'll give you a fifth. So the Rams trading deadline
is coming up. The Rams made the move we predicted.
I want to watch New England I also want to
keep keep your eye on New England. Keep your eye
on the Colts getting an edge rusher, keep your eye
on these super Bowl level teams. Rams Colts, New England
(28:53):
is maybe not not quite there yet, but would New
England make a move on a sideline receiver?
Speaker 6 (29:00):
Sneaky interesting game coming up. You mentioned the Colts Colts
at Steelers next week. I'm just telling you this.
Speaker 5 (29:06):
Pittsburgh is desperate, and I know Aaron Rodgers always been good.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
Jay.
Speaker 5 (29:10):
They were one for ten on third down last night,
and I'm fairly certain the one conversion was via penalty
in the secondary. So Aaron Rodgers has.
Speaker 4 (29:19):
Not been great.
Speaker 6 (29:19):
Colin, let's be real.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
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listening to Fox Sports Radio with that great Carson Palmer
is joining us live. We always appreciate that. Fifteen years
in the NFL. You know, it's funny about timing and rhythm.
And I've said this before when you came out of USC,
I'm like, that's what a quarterback should look. Big, confident,
strong arm throwing it and you could move like we
tend to forget that Drew Brees early could move. You know,
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as guys get older, they move less. But where do
you fall on the timing and rhythm and then off
script stuff? Because I do feel like off script is
probably what wins you Super Bowls. But the timing and
rhythm stuff you should be played at a pretty high
level with that. Like what do you see with Caleb
that maybe you look at and it concerns you.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Yeah, the timing and rhythm aspect of his game and
just playing within the pocket is nonexistent. His outside the pocket,
you know, making a play, extending a play is as
good as anybody else in the league, with maybe the
exception of Mahomes. I mean, once he gets outside the pocket,
he's got the ability to contort his body to throw
it back across the field, across his body, he's got zip,
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he's got velocity on the ball. Athletically, That's where he
thrives is outside the pocket. That's one of the hardest
places to make it in the NFL is outside the pocket.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
I mean it's that system.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
You look at Jared gofflet what he was doing with
Jared Goff when he was in Detroit last year. Everything
Jared did and all of their success in Detroit came
from within the pocket. And I just have yet to
watch a game where I've seen him excel in the
pocket and you know, drop back, take, you know, go
through his footwork, whether it's five steps, one hitch, two hitch,
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three hitch, and then extend to play.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
You're just seeing him get to the pocket, look around,
look around, and.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Then escape, as opposed to getting the soft spot in
the pocket and then stepping up and going through his
progressions and going through his reads, I just don't see
the development there for the last couple of years. And
I don't see a comfort level with Caleb's game within
the pocket.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
So I think the amazing thing about Jordan Love he
sat for three years. To be a first round pick,
you had to sit for a year behind a guy
that you were clearly more gifted.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
Then good guy.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
But like Mahomes sat behind Alex Smith, I get a year.
When you're sitting for three years, it would pull your
hair out. And here's Jordan Love, total grown up mature.
How hard do you think it was to sit for
three full years and get no meaningful snaps as a
(02:54):
pro athlete, What do you make of that?
Speaker 3 (02:57):
It's a huge.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Challenge, especially you know, if you're pick, you've probably been
good since the fourth or fifth grade, so you've been
on the field, you know, since the fourth or fifth grade.
So for the first time in your career, you're having
to sit and watch somebody else play. And you know,
fortunately for him, he wasn't probably ripping his hair out
because he's watching Aaron Rodgers. He was still playing at it,
you know, extremely elite level. And you referenced it earlier, Colin,
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when you talked about his game, Jordan's game reminding you
of Patrick Mahomes when I watched when I watched Jordan
Love play, he reminds me of Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
I mean the way he throws the ball, the way he.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Moves within the pocket, the velocity the ball comes out,
with the quickness that the ball comes out with. I
think he spent those three years diagnosing his game, picking
up on little things, watching the way he worked, watching
the drills he did in practice, and he's built that
because he did not look like that coming out of Nevada.
The ball did not come out that way. You know,
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he wasn't. He wasn't you know, gifted enough to throw
the ball, you know, off balance and off platform the
way he is right now. Some of the else he
was throwing last night, you know, like you've seen Aaron
do for years. You know, he's not planted in the ground.
He's not using to force the ground while the ball's
coming off of his index finger. He's generating the velocity
from his lower half and coming off the ground, but
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still getting velocity and spin and RPMs of the football
coming off his index finger. Much like we saw Aaron
Rodgers and much like he watched Aaron Rodgers do for
three years while he was sitting behind him waiting for
his opportunity.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
So I want to talk Boon Knicks. He right now
is playing so well on third down. So I always
thought of third down as a quarterback down. Maybe it's
a coaches down. How much of third down success for
bon Knicks is Sean Sean Payton? How much is bow?
How much is personnel? How do you view third down?
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Hugely on both sides as far as what bo Knicks
is at God given abilities are and what coach Sean.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Payton brings the table.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
So you compare, you know, or you combine a great
offensive minded coach and then a quarterback that's really mature,
really smart, really does a good job taking care of
the football, and he has the ability if number one
and number two aren't there, to get out there.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
And move the chains with his feet's that's.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
A really rare, unique and rare combination that they have
going in Denver.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Yeah, the Daniel Jones story is fascinating. So I've seen
Baker and Sam Darnold reinvent themselves and Daniel Jones. I'm
the first to admit I just didn't see it. I
thought he was kind of stiff. I didn't think he
was terribly fluid. I thought the easy stuff fifteen and
(05:39):
under looked too hard. And now I watch him in
Indian I'm like, Oh, You've got to sign him to
an extension. This is a big, strong, athletic guy.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
I mean, hey, I missed on that did Are you
surprised they're the number one most efficient offense in the
league by a long shot? Are you surprised at all?
Speaker 3 (06:00):
Oh? I'm not.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
I mean I've always liked his game. I wasn't quite
sure of him when he was coming.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
Out of Duke.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
The athletic ability is there. I mean he showed it
time and time again in New York. Now having protection
and having the confidence and the guys in front of you.
They were a mess up front in New York his
entire time there, and they still are a bit of
a mess up front. But you give him a solid
offensive line with Jonathan Taylor, and a defense and.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
A great young play caller. I really like this setup
for Daniel.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
You know, the only thing that you know you don't
love about his game is he doesn't have just an
overpowering arm. You know, a ton of veloscity on the football,
but he doesn't need it. I think he's always done
a good job moving and extending plays.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
I mean, you you.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Know some of the players plays you think back because
he was in that New York media. You know the
long fifty yard or sixty yard run where he tripped in.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
The open field. You know that got.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Overhyped and overplayed, but the guy still took off for
fifty all the time in New York. He was always
making plays with the Lakes. So the athletic ability is there.
You give him, you know, the running game and the
offensive line play that he's had along with you know,
that defense and that play color.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
It's a great recipe for him and Andy for sure.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
So it's weird it happens.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
I see it in the NBA sometimes where a really
good player leaves, but the chemistry and the ball movement improves,
and maybe it's a guy that is you know, you
bring in a guy that's less talented, but he's he's
a little better teammate, more willing passer. In the NFL,
AJ Brown doesn't play, Philadelphia explodes, and I'm like, I
(07:44):
like AJ Brown I'm a fan of AJ Brown, but
I remember when the Cowboys got rid of Dez Bryant
and they loved him. He was a touchdown magnet, but
Dak was better. He didn't wake up in the morning
thinking I gotta get it to Dev's twelve times. And
I do feel like Jalen Hurts is better when he's
just sprinkling the infield. When he's throwing, he can do RPOs,
he can do toush push. And I watched a J
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Brown and I said earlier today, I'm like, I think
he would fit with Rabel in New England. I don't know,
watching yesterday without him, maybe this great athlete, they all
they do is think about getting in the ball. Did
you ever play with a team that moved off a
great athlete and actually the team was a bit more functional.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
Oh, like you said, we see it all the time.
You know.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
AJ Brown's heavy on Jalen hirts shoulders, and you sensed
it for the first six weeks of the season, you know,
and then you saw him just explode. And like you're saying,
he was just playing more fluid more, He's playing quicker.
When you have, you know, an ego or you know,
the drama that comes with somebody like like Aj that
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he's brought into that locker room and really into that
huddle and into Jalen Hurt's week. You know, as your
week is going on, and you know, you install for
some second down early in the week, then you get
to third down, then you get to red zone. As
those plays are being installed in meetings, as you're then
going out on the field and replicating them, and then
you're going back inside the meetings and watching those.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
Film filmed practice plays.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
In Jalen's mind when Aj is a part of it,
he's always thinking about it and on this play, what
if I get this? And how do I get Aj
the you know, the ball in this situation. And then
you go out on the field and you try to
do it and you try to keep him into practice
and keep his energy level eye and keep him running
a hundred, you know, running full speed because you don't
want him to run seventy percent. When you do take
a shot and then you overthrow it and then you
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know that gets heavy.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
You know that that weighs on Jalen's shoulders.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
So I was not surprised at all to see the
success they had, and I wouldn't be all that surprised
if AJ wasn't on that team for very much longer.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
How's your son doing, how's your high school team doing?
Speaker 3 (09:53):
We're doing good, We're doing good.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Santa Margarita one a big game this last weekend against
Orange Lutheran.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
We finish out the regular season.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
This Friday night on Halloween and then onto the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
Are you on?
Speaker 4 (10:04):
Are you one of those coaches on the head.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Set yelling and screaming, and uh yeah, I'm always yelling.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
I'm always screaming.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
I'm not cussing, but I'm on the headset and I'm
in the reps here NonStop, you know, and and you know,
critiquing their game more than I'm critiquing my own players game.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
But yeah, I'm that guy yelling and screaming on the
headset for sure.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
My kind of coach. Carson Palmer, great, seeing you, my man.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
Thanks.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Hell yeah, he does not age Santa Margarita, his team,
His son's the quarterback number eleven in the nation.
Speaker 4 (10:39):
Hey, you got to get on those refs. Got to
get on those guys. You know, it's like me on
J Mack.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Got to keep them in line. Sometimes you give them
that zebra shirt and I think they run the world.
Speaker 5 (10:49):
Yeah, you know, I got my first technical of my
men's league this season. Five seasons, never got a tech,
got one this season. I'm a churpy, I'm shocker.
Speaker 6 (10:58):
I'm a noisy guy sometimes.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Yeah, I just.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
I'm shocked by that.
Speaker 7 (11:03):
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Speaker 4 (11:08):
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Speaker 7 (11:11):
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Speaker 1 (11:38):
Away all sorts of things happening. Josh Pate, great voice
in college football. Before the end of the show, here's
j Mack with the news.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
Turn on the news.
Speaker 7 (11:50):
This is the Herdline News.
Speaker 5 (11:52):
Let's start with one of your guys. He was my
guy first. But Drake May of the New England Patriots. Hey, man,
I love the Patriots this week, easy, no sweat winner,
crushing the hapless Cleveland Browns. May through for two eighty
two and three touchdowns at fifty rushing yards.
Speaker 6 (12:08):
I think zero trips to the blue tent, which is something.
Speaker 5 (12:12):
To watch because these young quarterbacks keep getting hurt. Drake
May loves it when the fans shower him with praise.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
I didn't hear it.
Speaker 9 (12:20):
The guys were making fun of me about my slide
back in the huddle on the long run, so I
didn't hear it. But the fans have been been awesome
all Season's been really cool though. See the different from
from last year to this year. Man, it's been a
it's been a journey, and you know, they've been through
it and they've been you know, if the fans have
been through it the last couple of years, so it's
just new credit to them. And we did the intros
(12:41):
today for the first time, so we don't know how
that would go.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
That was pretty cool.
Speaker 9 (12:44):
But I know the fans have been awesome. Like I said,
I think the best fans in the league and they
continue to show out every week.
Speaker 5 (12:49):
So Colin.
Speaker 4 (12:50):
That dude is good.
Speaker 6 (12:51):
Here is he's really good. Eight games in.
Speaker 5 (12:53):
Who is the most unlikely leader in the AFC Division.
You've got the Patriots, You've got the Colts, and you
got the Broncos. Nobody had that eight weeks and zero
people had those three division leaders. Okay, nobody, everybody with
Bill's raven seas pretty much.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
I think New England's the most surprising, simply because you
have Josh Allen. But they went to Buffalo and controlled
that game. That was not a coincidental win or a
I mean, it's this kid throws such a pretty ball
and his feet aren't nervous, like he's not frenetic. He's
just a big, athletic, accurate quarterback.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
Got he throwed. The ball just looks great. He he's
like Justin Herbert. Like the ball.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
He looks like a logo. Like the ball just comes out.
It's the high point. It's accurate, it's got velocity. He's
so good.
Speaker 5 (13:41):
All right, and now that we're done glazing, let's just
keep it real. Okay, these are the last three teams
the Patriots beat. The New Orleans Saints, who are one
of the worst teams in the league. Maybe the worst,
the Tennessee Titans, who are an abomination currently, and the
Cleveland Browns, who are rotten.
Speaker 6 (13:56):
So they're beating up on the dregs and I do
mean dregs.
Speaker 4 (13:59):
Of the league.
Speaker 5 (14:01):
That being said. Next up is the Atlanta Falcons. If
it's Kirk Cousins, you could give Rabel the victory there.
If it's Pennix and maybe it's interesting, then it's Tampa,
then the hapless Jets, then Joe Flacco. I'm just guys,
if you bet the Patriots to have the number one
seed you're gonna have, you're gonna be sitting on a
fun ticket come like week seventeen.
Speaker 6 (14:20):
This team is pretty good, man. They're well rounded.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
Colin Nope, they don't have a ton of star power.
They could use I think, you know, an edge of receiver,
a sideline receiver, and maybe another pass rusher.
Speaker 4 (14:32):
But overall, good team.
Speaker 6 (14:34):
Yeah, very very good.
Speaker 5 (14:35):
Let's move on to tonight's game Monday Night Football, though
Washington Commanders getting eleven oh sorry, ten and a half.
Now in Arrowhead, I've seen some numbers that Mahomes has
not been great on Monday Night Football. You know, he
was good against the Jags, but had to pick six.
That kind of lost it for him. Overall, though the
Chiefs are rolling the last four weeks. My guy for
(14:56):
Rashi Rice is on fire. Here's OC Matt Nage talking
about why the offense keeps slowing.
Speaker 10 (15:04):
Keep the execution at a high right now, which it is.
The execution by these players has been great. Protect the football.
That's been a key element is making sure that with
our defense that we have, we protect the football and
we score touchdowns.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
We're always going to be in good shape.
Speaker 10 (15:19):
And then never never get relaxed with the details. This
is a detailed offense, and so just when you think
you're doing everything the right way, all of a sudden,
one little detail can hurt you. So we're I think
our coaching staff coach read all the guys, the players,
they're professionals.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
When's that When when's that guy going to get a
head coaching opportunity a quarter.
Speaker 5 (15:38):
To never So let's just big, big news, well not
huge news. The left tackle that we talked about mysteriously
absent Josh Simmons. We're not going to guess it's a
personal matter.
Speaker 6 (15:49):
He's missing.
Speaker 5 (15:50):
So the left tackles out their guard Tray Smith, who's
very good. He is listed as doubtful again. I don't
know what chicanery is going on with the chief injury report.
Two offensive linemen down ain't great against the Washington defensive
front with Payne kin Law like, I'm just there's a
world where Washington makes this interesting, and I think the
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only play here is taking if you can get eleven great,
ten and a half is not as good.
Speaker 6 (16:17):
Obviously, do you have a.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Side here, Well, I didn't know Trey Smith was out,
but I would take Kansas City at home with Mariota
playing who gets hurt and also makes mistakes.
Speaker 5 (16:28):
So I revenge spot from Mariota against Andy Reid and
remember that tough playoff loss where I think the Titans
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Deebo Samuel first touchdown. I do think Washington kicks in
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hundred for first.
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Highlight of today show has to be my Laker trade
proposal with Austin Reeves.
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Will we agree on that?
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And the Justin Herbert I made an exception. I will
allow Justin Herbert it was an off day to wear
his hat on backwards.
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I made.
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It's an executive decision. I am a romantic.
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Shame on me.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
But he's got his, you know, a new companion, and
so you got to you know, listen, you can't just
be rigid all the time. I have made an exception
on the backward hat. Next up one of the great
voices young voices of college football, Josh Pate, Lane Kiffen Lsu.
Speaker 4 (17:40):
What do we make of Indiana? Whoopie? The Hoosiers are
a power.
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It's the Hurd.
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By the way, tip of the cap to our graphics
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whatever department that is.
Speaker 4 (18:25):
Way to go, That is awesome.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
His name is Josh Pate, and I think he's the
best young voice in college football hands down. The Josh
pay College Football Show on YouTube I just tremendous, and
so I want to bring him in today. He really
knows all the sport and so I thought Brian Kelly
would work. I thought the fit was weird, especially when
he did. I joked about this last night. The Hillary
Clinton Southern twang suddenly appeared. It was a little off od,
(18:52):
but I thought it would work.
Speaker 4 (18:54):
Josh, it didn't. Where did it go wrong?
Speaker 3 (18:58):
All right? So I was telling someone this this morning.
I was talking to my dad about this last night.
I grew up in the Deep South.
Speaker 11 (19:04):
We are used to people from the North coming in
who have been schooled by consulting firms all located in
Manhattan on how to appeal to Southerners. So Brian Kelly
had clearly gone through that wringer before he took the
basketball court with the mic in his hand, and he
did the Southern accent, and he had these cringey videos
with recruits, every not everybody. Colin a lot of people
(19:27):
think that's where the you know, the fit didn't happen.
That's not what mattered. If he would have won, they
don't care if he speaks Portuguese, pig Latin, they don't care.
If he won, he would have fit and the entirety
of Louisiana would have gotten behind him. I think fundamentally,
Brian Kelly never understood how to harness Louisiana. That sounds
(19:48):
kind of Hallmark Kardish, I know, But what I really
mean by that is if you come in there and
you just do above average work in recruiting and ingratiating
yourself to those people, it is a rocket booster attached
to your back. And I mean, there's a reason Orgeron
figured out a way to win there. Unless Miles figured
out a way to win there, it's cause Louisiana figures
out a way for you.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
And what's crazy, the closer you get to.
Speaker 11 (20:10):
The program is they got some really, really good people
in that building down there. I just don't think Brian
Kelly ever really wanted to roll his sleeves up and
get dirty.
Speaker 4 (20:19):
Now, compared to someone out.
Speaker 11 (20:20):
There working forty hours a week, Brian Kelly was a
grinder compared to his peers.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
Brian Kelly was not a grinder.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
Yep, this is what I heard. You know, Dan Mullen
didn't love recruiting, hurt him at Florida. You got you
gotta roll your sleeves up.
Speaker 4 (20:33):
So I got to ask you.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
Penn State's got an opening, Florida's got an opening, LSU's
got an opening. I've been to Gainesville half a dozen times.
I think it's a great college town. Would I would
take Florida. LSU's almost its own country, it's its own vibe.
Penn State's good. But again, I get in the state
of Florida. You're an expert of this stuff. If I
(20:56):
line those up and I'm Lane Keffen, let's say, and
he's going to make the playoffs at all, miss what's
viewed in the sport is the best of those three.
Speaker 11 (21:06):
There are a lot of people in the sport that
think the ls used the best job in college football.
So if you take generic college football coach, or take
them all in, pour them in a blender and pour
it out, they would say LSU, Florida, Penn State in
that order.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
But you and I have talked about this before.
Speaker 4 (21:22):
You know, as well as I do.
Speaker 11 (21:24):
There are some candidates out there that have very, very
peculiar or maybe not peculiar, but very specific ties or
draws or things they value. It could be anything from
I want to live close to the beach too, I
played in and grew up in the Midwest, to my
wife has family in eastern Pennsylvania and I'd love for
her to be close to them. That heavily impacts which
(21:46):
job you take. Like if you're Kiffin, I don't particularly
feel like he's a puzzle piece fit in Pennsylvania. I
think you'd work Wonders in Gainesville. I think you'd fit
great in Baton Rouge. And on the topic of Lane,
I got to be real with you, man. Everybody's got
an opinion on this, and I do as well. Like
if I had to lean one way, I'd say fifty
five to forty five. I think he'll leave if he's
(22:08):
offered one of these jobs. But you've had big offers
in front of you in life. Okay, so think about this.
You're at ESPN's It's one thing to float the concept
of going to Fox or going a political router, whatever.
It's another thing when you get the call calling the
offers on the table. It's time to discuss, it's time
(22:29):
to decide yes or no. That's when you really find
out where your heart is. I'm gonna be real with you.
I don't even think Lane Kiffin's arrived at that spot yet.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
Well, I mean they're winning, it's his offense. They're gonna
make the playoffs, so there's no hurry. By the way, Okay,
explain to a casual fan. They look at Indiana and
they're like, what in the world is now? We know
Ohio State's great, Texas A and M gets, you know, great recruits.
Explain Indiana blowing out everybody and looking like, I mean,
(23:02):
if they played Ohio State today, is in a one
point spread? I explain Indiana football.
Speaker 11 (23:09):
I have my dad explain Florida State football pre Bobby
Bowden to me fifty times when I was growing up,
because I grew up in the era where Florida State
was already a powerhouse. He had to explain to me. No,
once upon a time, they were like a map dot
on the college football landscape, and this guy came in
there and he harnessed what Florida State could be. But
(23:30):
even then, what he was doing was getting a bunch
of kids from Florida. That's not even what SE's doing.
I think what he did do is he sort of
punted the ant bed, as me Maa would say, and
out from that ant bed came a whole lot of money.
And it turns out Indiana's always had a staggering resource
pool to invest in college football. Now, look, I immersed myself
(23:50):
in this stuff, and I'd be lying if I told
you this wasn't a surprise to me.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
As well.
Speaker 11 (23:54):
What I have found hilarious is everyone wants an explainer.
Speaker 3 (23:59):
I do too.
Speaker 11 (24:00):
Sometimes a guy is just a perfect fit at the
perfect place, at the perfect time.
Speaker 4 (24:05):
Now a lot of.
Speaker 11 (24:05):
People admit that about Kurt Signetti.
Speaker 4 (24:07):
They say, oh, what a magic job he's pulled off there.
Speaker 11 (24:10):
But then that same person, in the very next breath,
when it comes coaching search time, says, all right, where's.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
The next Signetti?
Speaker 11 (24:16):
Maybe there's not one, you know, maybe this really was
just an example of a guy who was ready to jump,
and he was at James Madison took a lot of
his players with him.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
But that was last year.
Speaker 11 (24:28):
They had to reportal again this year, and you know
how bad it makes people look at major programs when
he hit with the quarterback he brought with him, But
then he went and got Mendoza at Cow. Meanwhile I
got Auburn wasting away with Jackson Arnold. I got half
a dozen other examples of places that portaled and failed.
And Kurt Signetti's just sitting over there looking pissed off
that he's only up by fifty.
Speaker 4 (24:48):
It's the craziest thing.
Speaker 7 (24:49):
In the world.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
It is in my lifetime, I'd say it's crazy. Okay,
there's a bunch of college quarterbacks. I watched Tya Simpson
again this weekend. I just want to see I want
to see. Wow, he's good. We got a minute and
a half left. If I said one of them is
going to be a number one pick a month ago,
I thought it was Dante Moore, ty Simpson, what do
(25:11):
you make? Is it the kid at South Carolina who's
a hyper athletic kid, who could the Rams could take
him and sit him behind Stafford for a year. Give
me the college quarterback that you think makes a Sunday player,
good Sunday place.
Speaker 11 (25:24):
Okay, I would be with you on Lenora Sellers. So
let me put him in a compartment over here. The
one thing I'll say about Ty is something that's bitten
a lot of these guys that were hyped in the preseason,
like Kate Club, Nick Clemson or Garrettnusmeyer, is they don't
have complimentary ground games and too much has been put
on their shoulders and it's just imploded. Ty Simpson's complimentary
(25:48):
ground game is not there. Bama's in like the one
hundreds in traditional rushing numbers this year. What stood out
to me, and this is a testament to him and
Ryan Grubb and Kaitlin de Bor is they've still been
able to scale their offense on his crowbar at Alabama
right now. Georgia did in the second half, but that
was after Bama already got out to a big lead
because they dominated the first half. I think that actually
speaks to the credit of Ty Simpson. And last week
(26:11):
I don't think that was that tough.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
To see coming. Man.
Speaker 11 (26:13):
That's fifth straight up week in a row on the road,
desperation mode for South Carolina. They go into a buy
now they got four games, then maybe a trip to Atlanta.
I think you may see him play his best ball
down the stretch.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
Josh Pate his college football shows on YouTube. Great Voice great,
best young voice in college football.
Speaker 4 (26:32):
I have gray hair.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Everybody's young to me. But Josh is a rising of Sandegre.
You go, look at it's whatever. That's beautiful, great scene
of man.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
Great senior collin.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
All right, Josh Pate remember that name, covering college football
for fifteen years and just crushes it every time I
talk to him. Yeah, you know, he heard the same
thing I did on Brian Kelly. I talked to a
coach last year and he's like, man, it's eighty hours
the first two years here in a program. It's eighty
hours a week. He's like, Brian wants the golf. He'll
give you fifty five if you want to roll that.
(27:03):
And I don't blame him. I don't blame him. I
like golf way more now than I did ten years ago. Look,
I get it.
Speaker 4 (27:11):
I'm not good at it. I'm just saying.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
I like it.
Speaker 4 (27:14):
Uh And it's uh So there you go.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
I did not ask a usc question, providing once again
an example of the kind of journalism this show employees
on a regular basis. J Mac, Yeah, I know everybody
likes Washington to night. That's not how I'm gonna roll.
Speaker 6 (27:32):
Well, we don't like Washington. I like the eleven points.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
How did you do in your picks?
Speaker 5 (27:38):
It was great four and one in the contest. I'm listen,
I'm not as hot as you, but I've had a
good three week stretch here, starting to see the ball
a little more clear off the pitcher's fingers.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
I will say this, this week was a big favorite weekend.
I've already seen the early numbers. A couple of dogs.
Speaker 5 (27:56):
Well, the numbers are inflated big time. There's a lot
to chew on here coming up this week. How about
the Rams? They are favored by a lot.
Speaker 4 (28:05):
Rams.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Let's say it again, breaking news Rams. We predicted this
after that Philly loss when they couldn't stop aj Brown.
Rams went out to the Titans, picked up a former
second round pick corner, maybe got a little size to him,
depending on how that corner plays. They give up a
fifth or a sixth round pick. They've got two fives,
two six in April and two ones. So they're like,
(28:28):
we'll give you a fifth or a sixth. If he plays,
we'll give you a fifth. So the Rams trading deadline
is coming up. The Rams made the move we predicted.
I want to watch New England I also want to
keep keep your eye on New England. Keep your eye
on the Colts getting an edge rusher, keep your eye
on these super Bowl level teams. Rams Colts, New England
(28:53):
is maybe not not quite there yet, but would New
England make a move on a sideline receiver?
Speaker 6 (29:00):
Sneaky interesting game coming up. You mentioned the Colts Colts
at Steelers next week. I'm just telling you this.
Speaker 5 (29:06):
Pittsburgh is desperate, and I know Aaron Rodgers always been good.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
Jay.
Speaker 5 (29:10):
They were one for ten on third down last night,
and I'm fairly certain the one conversion was via penalty
in the secondary. So Aaron Rodgers has.
Speaker 4 (29:19):
Not been great.
Speaker 6 (29:19):
Colin, let's be real.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
Despite the ghosts you see on the screen, do not
be afraid to watch Game three of the World Series
on Fox tonight
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