October 29, 2025 • 33 mins
Mark Schlereth stops by The Herd to talk to Colin about Sean Payton's coaching style, Drake Maye so far this season, the Chiefs being able to still play at a high level, and more
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This is awesome and it is so much me because
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getting the leaves up.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
Tremendous, just tremendous work.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Yeah. I spent about an hour a week with a therapist.
You get it for free on your lawn. I mean
that's the difference. Sadly, you're the smart one, all right.
Of all the things Sean Payton has done, I mean
they gave he inherited a team that had Russell Wilson,
gave up draft capital. They are really good. What's the
one thing? Because you cover them weekly, you see him,
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you talk about him, what is the one secret sauce
to what he's done?
Speaker 4 (02:21):
Well?
Speaker 3 (02:21):
The olds guy's accountable first and foremost colin. The salary
cap in the NFL is fungible. It is the biggest
joke to me when we say, oh we can't let
go of this guy, or oh we're going to be
in solid salary cap purgatory. What are we going to do,
Russell Wilson, We're never gonna be able to rebuild. You
can manipulate that money any way you want to manipulate
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that money. If you want to get rid of a guy,
you can get rid of him. If you want to
pay a guy, you can pay a guy. So that
old salary cap thing is garbage. Then, I think from
Sean's standpoint, man, he's a great coach.
Speaker 4 (02:54):
He motivates his players.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
And he's one of those guys that has the two
types of fear that always talk about biblically. Fear refers
to kind of awesome reverence and respect. He's got the
respect and the reverence of his players, but also fear
like I'll cut your ass in a heartbeat if you
don't do what I ask you to do. And over
the last couple of weeks they were abysmal on the edge,
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bubble screens, wide receivers, not blocking, and I guarantee you
they had a little come to Jesus meeting inside the
walls of the Denver Bronc and said, if you're not
going to do this, if you're not going to execute,
if you receivers aren't going to block, then you're not
going to get to play. And last week was evidence
of that because last week they started Pat Bryant, a
rookie wide receiver, and said you're going to be the
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point of attack on our.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
Pitch and pull game.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
We're going to be the point of attack out there
blocking people.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
On bubble screens.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
And he absolutely dispensed justice out there as a receiver blocking.
You know what they did later rewarded him with a
touchdown over the top, deep hill over the top. So
that's exactly the time of coach that he is to
hold you accountable and if you don't want to do it,
being like, yes, don't do it, but you're not gonna
play for me.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
And I love that aspect of Sean Payton.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
You called Browns at the Patriots. You saw Drake May.
He's got to learn how to slide. What you I
mean you obviously played with Elway?
Speaker 5 (04:18):
What I mean?
Speaker 1 (04:19):
I think Drake May is going to be a star,
if not already. What do you see as somebody that
played in the NFL forever, three rings, two Pro Bowls?
What do you see that you go wow? What's his
wow trait?
Speaker 3 (04:32):
I think one Colin is his ability to throw a
deep ball, to get that deep ball to turn over
and be deadly accurate on that from all kinds of
different platforms. The guy has just been amazing and there's
so much room for growth. Sitting down talking with Josh McDaniels,
their offensive coordinator, he's like, listen, man, at this particular
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point in time, he's so good on the front side
of saying, hey man, one to two. If it's not open,
he'll take off and he goes. He'll get to three
and four occasionally, but right now it's like one, two,
let me go make a play, let me go do
something positive for my offense. And then he's like, hey man,
when he consistently gets to the third and fourth readay
in his progression.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
He's going to be exceptional.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Now.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
The thing about him is he's one of those rare cats.
Like most of us can see it when we draw
it up on a grease forward or when we watch
it on film, but when you come off the sideline
and the coach can explain to you this is what
they were in and you can visualize it. You can
see that visual picture in your brain and you're like, okay,
I get it, and not make a mistake going forward,
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basically assimilating that information, being able to process the whole
thing with just words that create pictures in your mind.
And that's where those elite level processors, those elite level
decision makers, they see the game at a different level.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
And I think that's where Drake is right now.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
And it's not good enough to just call him one
of the best gung quarterbacks in football.
Speaker 4 (05:59):
He's just playing like one of the best quarterbacks in football.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
So AJ Brown, there was a story in The Athletic
Today and AJ Brown his words was like, I don't
make friends easily. I'm a bit of a loner. The
writer said, his dopamine is catching the football. And in
my lifetime, you can go back to Andre Risen or
to the receivers. Have always been sort of a little
bit of an NBA player. They're on an island. They're
often the tallest, longest, best athlete, often the fastest guy
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in the team. They're very unique athletes. They don't you
know a lot of times they're just on an island.
You throw it up for them when they're not open.
When reading that article, Philadelphia is such a collective. I mean,
their number one play is the tush push ugly all
in as a team, right, and Aj Brown's the opposite.
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He's on the edge, He's on an island. I think
last week they didn't play him. The offense was great.
Did you ever have a teammate who was wildly talented
but was a bit of a loaner Maybe wasn't part
of the structure of the team. Doesn't make him a
bad guy, But like we almost think, the more talent,
the better fit is really important in pro sports. I
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just don't know if Aj Brown works in Philly long term.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Yeah, I think you might be right. And you know,
I always say this about wide receivers. I probably said
it on your show at time or two. They're like children.
They're dependent, right, eleven guys or ten other guys have
to do their job really well for you to catch
a football. And then they're they're you know, they whine
and cry if they don't get fed. Like they're just
like toddlers, and and that's not always a good thing
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to be that toddler. And I would I would tell
you this, the guy's incredibly talented. But I go back
to what wins in Philly, and what wins in Philly
is exactly what you said. Hey, we've got to be
a dominant front. We've got to run the football, we've
got to control the time of possession. We've got to
limit our quarterback. He's not a high volume thrower. He's
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a low volume thrower. Off the play action stuff. When
we get those single high safety rotations to where they're
trying to stop the run game, then we get access
to the outside. And you look at it. Last week
played out exactly like that. They ran the snot on
the ball safe. Quon Barkley hits one deep for a
touchdown early in that game, and Jalen Hurts had twenty
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balls that he threw fifteen completions.
Speaker 4 (08:21):
That's the formula.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
And like, listen, man, there's nothing wrong with winning that way,
and there's nothing wrong with managing your team that way
because that's what your identity is and that's the way
you play the best. But that doesn't necessarily lend itself
to a guy that wants to be featured, that wants
to catch the football like AJ Brown.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Does you know I got to answer you a question.
It's kind of in the weeds, but I've seen Andy
Reid got rid of Joe Toney and their own line
is ranked fourth and they haven't even had Josh Simmons. Regularly,
I've seen McVeigh rebuild his offensive line. There's something about
offensive which is yet Tomlin, I'm on year seven. I
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don't like their O line. There is something about certain coaches,
and you played the position at the highest level, and
I think it's mostly offensive coaches have an ability to mold,
mesh and create cohesion up front. And again Andy Reid's
had to rebuild that thing four times in six or
seven years. What is the secret sauce? Now, you can
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always just go draft penay Sewel. You know there are
ways Tristan Wurse sometimes you figure out in April. But
when I see these offensive coaches rebuilding the O lines
over and over and over and over, what's the secret
sauce into building a great O line beyond buying Trent Williams.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
Yeah, So it becomes one of those five guys working
together for you know, for the for each for each other,
Like you got to be on the same page. So
you've got to be seeing things identically and you've got
to all be doing the work together. You know, I
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always say this, all five of us can be doing
the wrong thing. As long as we're doing the wrong
thing together, we're gonna get four yards. Like that's how
offensive line play works. And so it becomes continuity. How
much continuity do you have as a group. The other
thing that I think becomes a parent with guys like
Andy Reid is there are guys who call plays and
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there are guys who call offenses.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
And when you become somebody who becomes a.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
Creator of offense in structure and you understand the issues
that your offensive line has and the offensive line faces,
you start to call plays in a fashion that takes
pressure off those guys. And this is one thing I
always said over the course of my you know, my
analyst career. But as I've traveled around and you know,
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talked to different teams and consulted with different teams about
play up front, how do you take passive out of
pass protection? And the great play callers give you tools
to take the passive out of pass protection, to create
to create a situation where you're the aggressor as opposed
to just sitting back and throwing it forty times and
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becoming a catcher's midt. Like, nobody is going to have
success doing that. So it's really the structure of how
you call plays, how you tie plays together, and how
you let that offensive line come off the ball and
actually be the aggressors in those things. When you can
play ahead of the chains and it's second down to
four and your whole playbook is open to you, then
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the defense has to do what they have to respond to.
In con so, they have to defend the run, they
have to defend the play action, they have to defend
the play pass, they have to defend the drop patch,
they have to defend the quick game.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
You know what you don't do real well when you
do that.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
You don't rush the passer, you don't affect the quarterback
when you have all those other things that you have
to defend. And that's the great play callers do that
for their own lines.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Finally, is there a team and you can include Denver
if I if you guess today the Super Bowl the
best of the bat Now again, football looks different in
late October, November, December. Run games become more important, downfield
throwing not as important. If I said today Super Bowl.
Are there a team in each conference that jumps out
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to you?
Speaker 3 (12:22):
Yeah, the Chiefs right now, jump out to me, which
makes me want to puke being in a Bronco and
living here. But they're really good, and they're there the
balance of you know what they're doing offensively and you
know the way they're playing on the defensive side. And
you know, the crazy thing about the Chiefs is I
want to hate them so much, but I actually really
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respect them. Like Andy Reid, I really respect Patrick Mahomes's
ability to play. I respect us Fags and what they
do on the defensive side of the ball. So I
really respect them as a football team. I just hit
my AFC West Ties. I hate then with the white
hot intensity of a thousand suns. But I think they're
the best team in the AFC right now, maybe in
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the National Football League. The other one is the Rams
for me, man, the Rams just have that. You know,
the Rams are disguised this finesse. You know, they've got
this finesse football team, this spread it around football team.
They're a power, run, nasty, physical group both lines of
scrimmage offensively and defensively. Describe the disguised as a spread
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football team like they go to Halloween. Describe are disguised
as a spread football team.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
And then they just punch you in the mouth.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
I really like the rams love I have obviously Stafford,
but I like the way that Jean McVay has constructed
that football team.
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Speaker 6 (14:44):
Right, col Let's go to where Mark was just talking about,
and that is the big matchup in Buffalo on Sunday afternoon.
It is the game of the weekend. Patrick Mahomes against
Josh Allen. They will go ahead to head for the
tenth time. In the regular season, Josh Allen has dominated,
going four and one. In the postseason, obviously it's a
different story. Mahomes has dominated four to zero in the playoffs. Colin,
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I'm surprised the Chiefs are layd two and a half.
I think a lot of that has to do with everybody,
including you, think the Chiefs are the best.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Well, but the weather is a non factor. It's gonna
be beautiful and fifty degrees, so it's gonna be it's
gonna be who's got the most weapons on offense. The
offenses are gonna move the change and I'm taking Kansas
at all right, you have.
Speaker 6 (15:28):
The Chiefs, I'll go ahead to head with you at
the Buffalo Bills. I think that they're being disrespected just
because of a couple of bad games, especially that Atlanta
no show. I mean, hell, they locked to Atlanta and
people wrote them off as jokers. Meanwhile, Patrick Mahomes loses
to Jacksonville and it's like, well, you know, we excuse
it out of the way. We'll see I like Buffalo
in this one. By the way, I loathe the MVP talk.
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I think that's stupid and cheap. I am curious. This
is one of those. You know, usually the MVPs side
about like five games, high leverage game where everybody thirty
million people are watching. This is gonna be one of them.
So I think the winner of this takes an edge
in the theoretical MVP race.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
Would you agree?
Speaker 1 (16:10):
Yeah, I think Baker had a lot of momentum early,
but I think in terms of sheer production and Lamar
has been hurt and burrows out and Herbert got sacked
too much. Yeah, it makes a lot. And Daniel Jones
won't get it. People just well, wait.
Speaker 6 (16:24):
A minute, wait a minute. Home loses this one and
then Mahome loses to Daniel Jones. All of a sudden
it becomes I think of Daniel Jones Josh Allen with
Jordan Love in the mixes honestly, and he discuss.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
How much money would you have won if you'd have said,
you know, a couple of years. I believe in Daniel Jones,
he'll be nobody said he'll finish second in the MVP voting.
I mean, that's the thing you gotta be careful about saying.
Hot take. If I'd have told you a year out, Yeah,
KD is going to go to his rival, the Warriors.
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Brady's gonna leave and go to Tampa. Daniel own if
he gets a single MVP vote is one of the
stories of the last five years there.
Speaker 6 (17:06):
And you'll get an MVP vote. I know there's people saying,
what about Jonathan Taylor. Running backs are given not discussed,
that they're not MVP caliber. I'm sorry, as those are
the rules, Like you have to pick a quarterback. It's
the most important position in sports. That's like the rule.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
I am MVP voting. I would have no problem giving
Jonathan Taylor MVP none zero. I wouldn't have had a
problem given Saquon MVP last year, no problem. You're a
quarterback elitist. I am one of the people.
Speaker 6 (17:35):
Let's move on to Washington and Jada Daniels. Jade Daniel
stuff is a little disappointing. He did not practice last week,
obviously didn't play. Dan Quinn, however, confirmed that his rehab
has gone well and they expect Daniels to return to
practice today. Now they have an extra day with the
game against uh Seattle. Oh no, they don't have an
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extra day. It's Sunday night. My bad. I thought it
was Monday. Sottle Washington Sunday Night.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
I like it Washington.
Speaker 6 (18:03):
Yeah, Daniels' myss three starts this season. He hasn't been
the amazing rookie quarterback we saw Colin. You definitely like Washington.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Here is it the number?
Speaker 6 (18:15):
Are you betting the number?
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Or is this well? I saw three and a half
yesterday on a site at three and a half. I
love the Commanders. It's my favorite underdog pick of the week,
the Commanders. Those Sunday night Monday night games, if you
get good quarterback play, you're at home. The crowd's lubric hated.
It's a little louder. It's a long flight for Seattle.
Seahawks have been a good road team though, But if
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it's three and a half, it's one of my favorite
bets of the week.
Speaker 6 (18:40):
Commanders, be careful here, road team off a bye. The
good teams coming off bys this season have looked good
off the bye. The bad teams, there's no hope for them.
Be careful here, my friend. I'm trying to help you out.
I wanted you to come here to LA next week
all broken, penniless, Jay Matt, can you pick up a tab?
And it's not happening? Finals to NBA, Colin, look at
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us wedging some NBA into it. And your guy Jonathan Kuminga,
I mean you mentioned him in every trade possible over
the last six months and now he's starting for the
Warriors and you know what, he's playing good defense. He
looks like kind of Harrison Barnes ish with some athleticism.
Steve Kerr has recognized the growth and development of Jonathan Comenca.
Speaker 7 (19:23):
He's been fantastic, and you know, last night put him
on Jaw you know tonight we'll put him on James Harden.
He's I think he's ready to take on that role.
He's really putting a lot of pressure on people. So yeah,
the biggest thing is the combination of Jimmy and Draymond
and JK wasn't great last year. But because of all
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the improvements JK has made is passing and the stuff
I just mentioned, it's it's really clicking.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
And so we're gonna stay with that.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Here's the thing he couldn't shoot three last year. This
year he's on fire. Now it's early. It's early, and
you lose your legs. You know, they're asking him to
do big defensive assignments. That is a lot on the
other end. So again, over the course of a season,
he's not gonna shoot forty four percent from threes. You
just get worn down, you lose your legs, you lose
your a little your arc. But last year, the one
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thing about I've watched him twice. This year, much better
three point shooter. The other thing is he's still super young.
Is he like twenty three years old or twenty four
years old?
Speaker 4 (20:29):
Very young?
Speaker 1 (20:29):
He is very Rarely does a guy walk into the
NBA and they're a good passer. Lebron was rare. I
mean Lebron was had an IQ of a ten year bet.
Most young guys come in, they don't have a great
outside shot. I mean, Ray Allen didn't shoot threes in
college like he did in Boston and with the Miami.
He was an athletic guy that could shoot a little
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Kaminga's passing and shooting, which take time in the gym
and feel are much better, no questions, better field offensively.
Speaker 6 (21:02):
Listen, your offseason NFL picks have been fired. Your offseason
NBA takes. You had the Warriors, I believe, missing the
playoffs and the Mavericks I think in the NBA finals,
and we'll give you a mulligan. You got some time left.
Warriors look pretty damn good, Collin, I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
Okay, old team, Okay, they don't need as much seasoning.
Speaker 6 (21:23):
Yep, yep.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
Okay, old team looks good early in the NBA season. Okay,
old team will get banged up more. Old team will
recover more slowly.
Speaker 6 (21:34):
And turnload management.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
The Warriors were going to look. I mean, same coach Draymond.
I mean it's the same guy that brought the newity,
veteran coach high IQ team that brought everybody back. A
lot of movement in Dallas with Tyree's out, Cooper's in
Dallas has all sorts of movement. It's not a shock
the Warriors look good early. That's not an all on him,
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but that they were gonna play good. Well, they were
gonna play well early.
Speaker 6 (22:00):
You can bet against Steph Curry at your own peril.
My friend, I will not do such a thing. He's
I love watching it.
Speaker 5 (22:07):
Jmackle the news, Well that's the news and thanks for
stopping by the Herd Line Newsy Forget Bo Nicks has
sixty one college starts sec PAC twelve.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
He's a seasoned veteran. Kaminga. You know these guys that
come into the NBA at eighteen or nineteen years old,
they come, you know, they do a year in the
G League or one year of college where they play
thirty five games. I mean it takes. They can't go
to the hotel bar and have a glass of wine.
I mean literally, it takes these guys. You go, when
you watch Kaminga, it's a prime example. He just turned
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twenty three. He's just figuring out how to play basketball,
and the Warriors offense is one of the most sophisticated
in the league. Young guys have always struggled. So you
watch Cominga now you're like, oh, you can see the
time in the gym. He can really shoot a three,
but you can also his feel. Draymond's always been a
great passer. But Draymond spent I mean didn't he spend
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four years at Michigan State, three or four years under
Tom Izzo. So Draymond came into the NBA like season,
excellent coach, good conference. You know, these young guys come
in it just like I've said, it's about Jalen Green.
It's not the talent. They don't know how to play
basketball yet. And for the record, j Max, just a reminder,
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the Warriors last year started twelve and three. So when
you bring back the composition smart coach, smart, Steph Curry,
Draymond Green. The question with the Warriors is February in March,
It's not October.
Speaker 6 (23:35):
So yes, I agree, I was mostly joking about your mulligan.
I do think. Listen, we talked load management earlier.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
Colin.
Speaker 6 (23:42):
You said to one of the oldest seams in the league,
it's smart for the Golden State Warriors to load manage
this season. Correct or Jeor false?
Speaker 1 (23:49):
Yeah, Steph should play sixty eight games.
Speaker 6 (23:51):
Yeah, and Draymond should load manage. Jimmy Butler for sure.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
Absolutely, Yeah you should. Just you should Jimmy Butler and
Steph and Draymond should be at the seventy game mark reward. Yeah.
I mean, I don't have problems with old guys who
have been carrying the league with ty. That doesn't bother
me at all.
Speaker 4 (24:08):
Can you tech.
Speaker 6 (24:08):
I know you're a big bawler. Can you text Michael Jordan?
Hey man, the old guys should load manage MJ stay
up king, you know, just something funny and witty.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Yeah right, it's got a bag of those next to me.
J Mack with the news and we'll take a break
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Speaker 4 (24:40):
Now.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
I was just thinking about Joel Klatt was talking about
what a great job. So LSU, Penn State, and Florida
all have job openings. If I did a pie chart
of the ten best jobs in college football, and I consider,
like you know, quality alive, who's your biggest booster? I
would do Texas at the top, and then beneath that,
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I would do Ohio State in Georgia. So Buckeye's top
or Texas, longhornse first, Ohio State and Georgia's second. All
of them, by the way, nice college towns that matters.
The next three I would say LSU, USC in Florida,
and then the next four, seven, eight, nine to ten
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Notre Dame, Oregon, Michigan, Penn State. You say, what about
Clemson Miami. They're in the ACC. They don't get the
Big ten money. They don't get the SEC money now
right now, Oregon doesn't get the Big ten money either,
but they have Phil Night money, so they get the money.
So Clemson in Miami just don't. They don't get the
money that the SEC are the big ten schools get.
In Oklahoma's probably the one on the way out the
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state of Oklahoma. What it used to deliver in terms
of high school football players twenty twenty five years ago
now today it's not that it's not the same, and
they don't have a Phil Knight. So and I think
Tennessee Volunteers is way up there. Tennessee, oklahom Ill mcclems
in Miami. Tennessee has been so dysfunctional. But I would
say all things considered, Texas Top Ohio State, Georgia, LSU, USC, Florida,
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Notre Dame, Oregon, Michigan, Penn State. LSU is a little
crazy town. It's the downside of the SEC. Is That's
why I like Texas. They're in the SEC, they're not
of the SEC. They're a little removed music, food scene
in Austin, little broader world. You know they just run
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through coaches, run through people in the SEC. Well, you know,
you know you said Alabama with nil, Did I leave
out Alabama? Okay, I'll put Alabama fourth over Michigan. No, no,
I'll put Alabama fourth over Penn State. So I'll do
Michigan and then Bama, and then Penn State can complain.
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So I would let's do it again. Texas, Ohio, Georgia, LSU, USC, Florida,
Notre Dame, Oregon, Michigan, Bama in the new nil world,
I do Bama doesn't have the money. Bama does not
have the money of Georgia, Texas, Ohio, State, USC, right now, Florida.
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It's not this is not standing. This is not what
did Nick Saban do. Yeah, I guess Penn State, Oklahoma,
CLEMS in Miami. I'd probably leave out. It's close.
Speaker 4 (27:28):
Colin.
Speaker 6 (27:29):
Do you think this is a layered discussion because I
know you have Texas one, but we forget before Sark
they had a run of not being good for like
a decade. I think when arch Manning committed there, Texas
was something like five and six or five. It's coming
off of five and seven.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
So, I mean, let's be honest, Georgia played with their
food for twenty years. Yeah, until Kirby Smart, it was
still a great job. I mean, Georgia forever you're like,
come on, let's let's win a big game. And then
they got Kirby Smart and they did.
Speaker 6 (28:00):
I mean, so some of it is how much is
the collective willing to spend? I think that needs to
be like one of the top questions before you at
any of these job interviews. So ole Miss has they're
spending a lot of money on players. I mean, what
if what they're spending is competitive to what LSU is
and the money's competitive coaching wise, I don't think LSU's
that much of a better job in this era.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Than ole Miss.
Speaker 6 (28:20):
I'm sorry, I just you can't convince me, just based
on tell time.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
Out of town LSU, LSU, Les Miles won to Natty
Saban did at Orsha, those are different eras. Colin at
Orzeron was like, well, how many years ago?
Speaker 6 (28:33):
Four years ago? No, Joe Burke, fine, that was six
six years ago, right in the COVID era. Nil's a
little different now, right, wouldn't you.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
Say if you take Lane Keffin out of Old Miss.
How often have we ever talked Old Miss well, Lane
Kiffin is more valuable to Old Miss than vice versa.
Lane can get a job anywhere, He can get an
NFL job. Honestly, Lane, Ole Miss needs Lane more than
Lane needs Remember Dan Mullen.
Speaker 6 (29:00):
Dan Mullen was a hot shot at Mississippi State. They
were ranked first in the country. I think into like November, like,
you can do things if you're a really good coach anywhere.
I mean, I just think right now this whole like
LS used the best job in the country. I don't
know that I'm buying that. I have not heard the
compelling argument. Now listen, if you're in the Deep South
and LS use a cool college town and you want
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to be in a cool area, Okay, I'll take that
over Oxford. But how much of that boxers into like
a forty year old, fifty year old guy.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
Now people get People say Oxford's a great college town.
Speaker 6 (29:31):
I'm sure it is.
Speaker 4 (29:32):
The Grove.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
Oh man, if you're forty years old, you don't really
care about a great college town, do you. No, I'm saying,
if you're asking me if I could have any college
football job me, I would have a different opinion. I
would take usc and Texas, and I may take Florida
third because I like Gainesville.
Speaker 6 (29:49):
So let's drill down on Texas. I've never been to Austin,
so I don't know. I can't speak about it. Tell
me what is so awesome about Austin teescas besides Joe
Rogan moved there with a bunch of podcast comedians.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
Well, it's just you're saying. It's like saying somebody's never
been to London. What makes London so cool? Well, you
got to go to London to know what London.
Speaker 6 (30:08):
Well, London has an amazing history. Austin's like a last
twenty years, it's been amazing, Right Austin wasn't a mecca
in the nineteen eighties. It's a kind of a new
boom town right now.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
No, I think Nashville is the newer boomtown. I think
Austin's got the River Hill country, the music, the food.
I think Austin's just probably the best college town out there.
It's one of the best college towns. That's part of it.
That's a compelling argument. But it's got no state tax, best,
best athletic director probably in the country, and it's just
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got an endless reservoir. It's like Amazon if it was
a college football program. There's just a lot of money always,
so they've just got a lot of things it's got.
You know, it's a little hot in the summer for
my taste. But it's no state tax, great economy. I mean,
it's a great place. There's a reason even when they're
not good recruit Well, it's you take a kid into Austin,
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Texas for the night, or you take a kid.
Speaker 6 (31:04):
Do you know, there's a lot of fun sometimes. So
now let's get to the football. Who's more likely to
win sooner? Whoever's coaching in Oregon or whoever's coaching in Austin.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
Well, Texas has advantages, Oh does it?
Speaker 6 (31:19):
Yeah, Oregon's in the mix every year.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
Oregon's talked in the far left, rainy part of the country.
If you took Phil Knight out, Oregon would be winning
six games, seven games a year.
Speaker 6 (31:29):
That's if Phil Knight's still there. Nike's in their backyard.
I just think it's easier to win at Oregon by
a mile than LSU. I don't understand why someone would
go LSU over Oregon. I'm a the coach I want
to win.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Let me ask you, if it's so hard to win
big then why did for twenty years the SEC crown
the national champion. Nick Saban didn't seem to have a problem.
Kirby Smarts don't have a problem. Lane Kiffin turned around
all miss. You know, if you're a good coach, you
win games anywhere. That's that's a Kurt Signette. He's crushing
in the Big ten at Indiana. So I mean, if
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you're confident, it doesn't matter, you're gonna get It's like
it's almost like the world today. If you're good and
start a YouTube channel, you don't have to be the network.
You'll get an audience. If you start a podcast and
you're fascinating, you'll get an audience. So you can't be
afraid of Oh my god, we gotta play Georgia. Nick
Saban played them a lot and won a bunch of natties. Well,
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we gotta play Ohio State. Jim Harbaugh did really well
with that. At the end. You gotta win games. I'm
just saying. I mean, the top two teams in the
country right now are in the Big Ten. There's a
bunch of good teams. I just watched Alabama struggle this
past weekend with a totally average team. Yeah, and Alabama
today doesn't look like Alabama five.
Speaker 6 (32:44):
Years ago got a gauntlet of a schedule. Let me
ask you about Clark Lee at Vanderbilt. I know Vanderbilt.
Oh what he's done bringing in players, column with their recruiting.
Who's Felman just did a story on this. I'm just
telling you, I appreciate that what Clark Lee's done at
Vanderbilt than anything that I've seen at LSU from Brian
Kelly the last few years. I mean he's getting four
or five star guys and losing games. Clark Lee at
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Vandy winning with like three two and three star players.
When you do more with less, that's when I look
up to you, and I think Clark Lee is a
guy who should probably be You.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
Used to be a writer, a sports writer.
Speaker 6 (33:18):
You like stories, you love the amazing you.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
Yeah it is. You like a guy that does more
with less. I like a guy that does more with more.
I like Nick Saban at Bama. You like the story
I like I like the dynasty.
Speaker 6 (33:34):
That's okay, I'm an underdog guy. You love heavy favorites. Hey,
what can we say, No elitist, one of us, not me?
Speaker 1 (33:41):
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They're doing a very good job this week, got bats
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I mean if my producers only worked as hard as you, boom,
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show him what you spent three hours on.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
Today, Law and in Order Special Mowing Unit. One of
my listeners in my YouTube my YouTube show, The Stick
of True podcast on YouTube sent me this and said
could you please wear this the next time you do
a podcast. So I wore it today. It'll be out
this afternoon, and I'll tell you what, I'm loving this shirt.
(01:44):
This is awesome and it is so much me because
I'm out there. On Monday, I was out in my
yard for three and a half hours working in the yard, mowing,
getting the leaves up.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
Tremendous, just tremendous work.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Yeah. I spent about an hour a week with a therapist.
You get it for free on your lawn. I mean
that's the difference. Sadly, you're the smart one, all right.
Of all the things Sean Payton has done, I mean
they gave he inherited a team that had Russell Wilson,
gave up draft capital. They are really good. What's the
one thing? Because you cover them weekly, you see him,
(02:15):
you talk about him, what is the one secret sauce
to what he's done?
Speaker 4 (02:21):
Well?
Speaker 3 (02:21):
The olds guy's accountable first and foremost colin. The salary
cap in the NFL is fungible. It is the biggest
joke to me when we say, oh we can't let
go of this guy, or oh we're going to be
in solid salary cap purgatory. What are we going to do,
Russell Wilson, We're never gonna be able to rebuild. You
can manipulate that money any way you want to manipulate
(02:42):
that money. If you want to get rid of a guy,
you can get rid of him. If you want to
pay a guy, you can pay a guy. So that
old salary cap thing is garbage. Then, I think from
Sean's standpoint, man, he's a great coach.
Speaker 4 (02:54):
He motivates his players.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
And he's one of those guys that has the two
types of fear that always talk about biblically. Fear refers
to kind of awesome reverence and respect. He's got the
respect and the reverence of his players, but also fear
like I'll cut your ass in a heartbeat if you
don't do what I ask you to do. And over
the last couple of weeks they were abysmal on the edge,
(03:19):
bubble screens, wide receivers, not blocking, and I guarantee you
they had a little come to Jesus meeting inside the
walls of the Denver Bronc and said, if you're not
going to do this, if you're not going to execute,
if you receivers aren't going to block, then you're not
going to get to play. And last week was evidence
of that because last week they started Pat Bryant, a
rookie wide receiver, and said you're going to be the
(03:40):
point of attack on our.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
Pitch and pull game.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
We're going to be the point of attack out there
blocking people.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
On bubble screens.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
And he absolutely dispensed justice out there as a receiver blocking.
You know what they did later rewarded him with a
touchdown over the top, deep hill over the top. So
that's exactly the time of coach that he is to
hold you accountable and if you don't want to do it,
being like, yes, don't do it, but you're not gonna
play for me.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
And I love that aspect of Sean Payton.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
You called Browns at the Patriots. You saw Drake May.
He's got to learn how to slide. What you I
mean you obviously played with Elway?
Speaker 5 (04:18):
What I mean?
Speaker 1 (04:19):
I think Drake May is going to be a star,
if not already. What do you see as somebody that
played in the NFL forever, three rings, two Pro Bowls?
What do you see that you go wow? What's his
wow trait?
Speaker 3 (04:32):
I think one Colin is his ability to throw a
deep ball, to get that deep ball to turn over
and be deadly accurate on that from all kinds of
different platforms. The guy has just been amazing and there's
so much room for growth. Sitting down talking with Josh McDaniels,
their offensive coordinator, he's like, listen, man, at this particular
(04:53):
point in time, he's so good on the front side
of saying, hey man, one to two. If it's not open,
he'll take off and he goes. He'll get to three
and four occasionally, but right now it's like one, two,
let me go make a play, let me go do
something positive for my offense. And then he's like, hey man,
when he consistently gets to the third and fourth readay
in his progression.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
He's going to be exceptional.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Now.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
The thing about him is he's one of those rare cats.
Like most of us can see it when we draw
it up on a grease forward or when we watch
it on film, but when you come off the sideline
and the coach can explain to you this is what
they were in and you can visualize it. You can
see that visual picture in your brain and you're like, okay,
I get it, and not make a mistake going forward,
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basically assimilating that information, being able to process the whole
thing with just words that create pictures in your mind.
And that's where those elite level processors, those elite level
decision makers, they see the game at a different level.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
And I think that's where Drake is right now.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
And it's not good enough to just call him one
of the best gung quarterbacks in football.
Speaker 4 (05:59):
He's just playing like one of the best quarterbacks in football.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
So AJ Brown, there was a story in The Athletic
Today and AJ Brown his words was like, I don't
make friends easily. I'm a bit of a loner. The
writer said, his dopamine is catching the football. And in
my lifetime, you can go back to Andre Risen or
to the receivers. Have always been sort of a little
bit of an NBA player. They're on an island. They're
often the tallest, longest, best athlete, often the fastest guy
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in the team. They're very unique athletes. They don't you
know a lot of times they're just on an island.
You throw it up for them when they're not open.
When reading that article, Philadelphia is such a collective. I mean,
their number one play is the tush push ugly all
in as a team, right, and Aj Brown's the opposite.
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He's on the edge, He's on an island. I think
last week they didn't play him. The offense was great.
Did you ever have a teammate who was wildly talented
but was a bit of a loaner Maybe wasn't part
of the structure of the team. Doesn't make him a
bad guy, But like we almost think, the more talent,
the better fit is really important in pro sports. I
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just don't know if Aj Brown works in Philly long term.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Yeah, I think you might be right. And you know,
I always say this about wide receivers. I probably said
it on your show at time or two. They're like children.
They're dependent, right, eleven guys or ten other guys have
to do their job really well for you to catch
a football. And then they're they're you know, they whine
and cry if they don't get fed. Like they're just
like toddlers, and and that's not always a good thing
(07:37):
to be that toddler. And I would I would tell
you this, the guy's incredibly talented. But I go back
to what wins in Philly, and what wins in Philly
is exactly what you said. Hey, we've got to be
a dominant front. We've got to run the football, we've
got to control the time of possession. We've got to
limit our quarterback. He's not a high volume thrower. He's
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a low volume thrower. Off the play action stuff. When
we get those single high safety rotations to where they're
trying to stop the run game, then we get access
to the outside. And you look at it. Last week
played out exactly like that. They ran the snot on
the ball safe. Quon Barkley hits one deep for a
touchdown early in that game, and Jalen Hurts had twenty
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balls that he threw fifteen completions.
Speaker 4 (08:21):
That's the formula.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
And like, listen, man, there's nothing wrong with winning that way,
and there's nothing wrong with managing your team that way
because that's what your identity is and that's the way
you play the best. But that doesn't necessarily lend itself
to a guy that wants to be featured, that wants
to catch the football like AJ Brown.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Does you know I got to answer you a question.
It's kind of in the weeds, but I've seen Andy
Reid got rid of Joe Toney and their own line
is ranked fourth and they haven't even had Josh Simmons. Regularly,
I've seen McVeigh rebuild his offensive line. There's something about
offensive which is yet Tomlin, I'm on year seven. I
(09:02):
don't like their O line. There is something about certain coaches,
and you played the position at the highest level, and
I think it's mostly offensive coaches have an ability to mold,
mesh and create cohesion up front. And again Andy Reid's
had to rebuild that thing four times in six or
seven years. What is the secret sauce? Now, you can
(09:23):
always just go draft penay Sewel. You know there are
ways Tristan Wurse sometimes you figure out in April. But
when I see these offensive coaches rebuilding the O lines
over and over and over and over, what's the secret
sauce into building a great O line beyond buying Trent Williams.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
Yeah, So it becomes one of those five guys working
together for you know, for the for each for each other,
Like you got to be on the same page. So
you've got to be seeing things identically and you've got
to all be doing the work together. You know, I
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always say this, all five of us can be doing
the wrong thing. As long as we're doing the wrong
thing together, we're gonna get four yards. Like that's how
offensive line play works. And so it becomes continuity. How
much continuity do you have as a group. The other
thing that I think becomes a parent with guys like
Andy Reid is there are guys who call plays and
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there are guys who call offenses.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
And when you become somebody who becomes a.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
Creator of offense in structure and you understand the issues
that your offensive line has and the offensive line faces,
you start to call plays in a fashion that takes
pressure off those guys. And this is one thing I
always said over the course of my you know, my
analyst career. But as I've traveled around and you know,
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talked to different teams and consulted with different teams about
play up front, how do you take passive out of
pass protection? And the great play callers give you tools
to take the passive out of pass protection, to create
to create a situation where you're the aggressor as opposed
to just sitting back and throwing it forty times and
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becoming a catcher's midt. Like, nobody is going to have
success doing that. So it's really the structure of how
you call plays, how you tie plays together, and how
you let that offensive line come off the ball and
actually be the aggressors in those things. When you can
play ahead of the chains and it's second down to
four and your whole playbook is open to you, then
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the defense has to do what they have to respond to.
In con so, they have to defend the run, they
have to defend the play action, they have to defend
the play pass, they have to defend the drop patch,
they have to defend the quick game.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
You know what you don't do real well when you
do that.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
You don't rush the passer, you don't affect the quarterback
when you have all those other things that you have
to defend. And that's the great play callers do that
for their own lines.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Finally, is there a team and you can include Denver
if I if you guess today the Super Bowl the
best of the bat Now again, football looks different in
late October, November, December. Run games become more important, downfield
throwing not as important. If I said today Super Bowl.
Are there a team in each conference that jumps out
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to you?
Speaker 3 (12:22):
Yeah, the Chiefs right now, jump out to me, which
makes me want to puke being in a Bronco and
living here. But they're really good, and they're there the
balance of you know what they're doing offensively and you
know the way they're playing on the defensive side. And
you know, the crazy thing about the Chiefs is I
want to hate them so much, but I actually really
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respect them. Like Andy Reid, I really respect Patrick Mahomes's
ability to play. I respect us Fags and what they
do on the defensive side of the ball. So I
really respect them as a football team. I just hit
my AFC West Ties. I hate then with the white
hot intensity of a thousand suns. But I think they're
the best team in the AFC right now, maybe in
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the National Football League. The other one is the Rams
for me, man, the Rams just have that. You know,
the Rams are disguised this finesse. You know, they've got
this finesse football team, this spread it around football team.
They're a power, run, nasty, physical group both lines of
scrimmage offensively and defensively. Describe the disguised as a spread
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football team like they go to Halloween. Describe are disguised
as a spread football team.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
And then they just punch you in the mouth.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
I really like the rams love I have obviously Stafford,
but I like the way that Jean McVay has constructed
that football team.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Mark Schlereth, show that shirt one more time, lot.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
Order mowing unit. That's me. That's me right there. I'll
be in the neighborhood all day.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Come get a taste, all right, thanks Mark as his own.
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Speaker 6 (14:44):
Right, col Let's go to where Mark was just talking about,
and that is the big matchup in Buffalo on Sunday afternoon.
It is the game of the weekend. Patrick Mahomes against
Josh Allen. They will go ahead to head for the
tenth time. In the regular season, Josh Allen has dominated,
going four and one. In the postseason, obviously it's a
different story. Mahomes has dominated four to zero in the playoffs. Colin,
(15:09):
I'm surprised the Chiefs are layd two and a half.
I think a lot of that has to do with everybody,
including you, think the Chiefs are the best.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Well, but the weather is a non factor. It's gonna
be beautiful and fifty degrees, so it's gonna be it's
gonna be who's got the most weapons on offense. The
offenses are gonna move the change and I'm taking Kansas
at all right, you have.
Speaker 6 (15:28):
The Chiefs, I'll go ahead to head with you at
the Buffalo Bills. I think that they're being disrespected just
because of a couple of bad games, especially that Atlanta
no show. I mean, hell, they locked to Atlanta and
people wrote them off as jokers. Meanwhile, Patrick Mahomes loses
to Jacksonville and it's like, well, you know, we excuse
it out of the way. We'll see I like Buffalo
in this one. By the way, I loathe the MVP talk.
(15:52):
I think that's stupid and cheap. I am curious. This
is one of those. You know, usually the MVPs side
about like five games, high leverage game where everybody thirty
million people are watching. This is gonna be one of them.
So I think the winner of this takes an edge
in the theoretical MVP race.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
Would you agree?
Speaker 1 (16:10):
Yeah, I think Baker had a lot of momentum early,
but I think in terms of sheer production and Lamar
has been hurt and burrows out and Herbert got sacked
too much. Yeah, it makes a lot. And Daniel Jones
won't get it. People just well, wait.
Speaker 6 (16:24):
A minute, wait a minute. Home loses this one and
then Mahome loses to Daniel Jones. All of a sudden
it becomes I think of Daniel Jones Josh Allen with
Jordan Love in the mixes honestly, and he discuss.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
How much money would you have won if you'd have said,
you know, a couple of years. I believe in Daniel Jones,
he'll be nobody said he'll finish second in the MVP voting.
I mean, that's the thing you gotta be careful about saying.
Hot take. If I'd have told you a year out, Yeah,
KD is going to go to his rival, the Warriors.
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Brady's gonna leave and go to Tampa. Daniel own if
he gets a single MVP vote is one of the
stories of the last five years there.
Speaker 6 (17:06):
And you'll get an MVP vote. I know there's people saying,
what about Jonathan Taylor. Running backs are given not discussed,
that they're not MVP caliber. I'm sorry, as those are
the rules, Like you have to pick a quarterback. It's
the most important position in sports. That's like the rule.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
I am MVP voting. I would have no problem giving
Jonathan Taylor MVP none zero. I wouldn't have had a
problem given Saquon MVP last year, no problem. You're a
quarterback elitist. I am one of the people.
Speaker 6 (17:35):
Let's move on to Washington and Jada Daniels. Jade Daniel
stuff is a little disappointing. He did not practice last week,
obviously didn't play. Dan Quinn, however, confirmed that his rehab
has gone well and they expect Daniels to return to
practice today. Now they have an extra day with the
game against uh Seattle. Oh no, they don't have an
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extra day. It's Sunday night. My bad. I thought it
was Monday. Sottle Washington Sunday Night.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
I like it Washington.
Speaker 6 (18:03):
Yeah, Daniels' myss three starts this season. He hasn't been
the amazing rookie quarterback we saw Colin. You definitely like Washington.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Here is it the number?
Speaker 6 (18:15):
Are you betting the number?
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Or is this well? I saw three and a half
yesterday on a site at three and a half. I
love the Commanders. It's my favorite underdog pick of the week,
the Commanders. Those Sunday night Monday night games, if you
get good quarterback play, you're at home. The crowd's lubric hated.
It's a little louder. It's a long flight for Seattle.
Seahawks have been a good road team though, But if
(18:38):
it's three and a half, it's one of my favorite
bets of the week.
Speaker 6 (18:40):
Commanders, be careful here, road team off a bye. The
good teams coming off bys this season have looked good
off the bye. The bad teams, there's no hope for them.
Be careful here, my friend. I'm trying to help you out.
I wanted you to come here to LA next week
all broken, penniless, Jay Matt, can you pick up a tab?
And it's not happening? Finals to NBA, Colin, look at
(19:02):
us wedging some NBA into it. And your guy Jonathan Kuminga,
I mean you mentioned him in every trade possible over
the last six months and now he's starting for the
Warriors and you know what, he's playing good defense. He
looks like kind of Harrison Barnes ish with some athleticism.
Steve Kerr has recognized the growth and development of Jonathan Comenca.
Speaker 7 (19:23):
He's been fantastic, and you know, last night put him
on Jaw you know tonight we'll put him on James Harden.
He's I think he's ready to take on that role.
He's really putting a lot of pressure on people. So yeah,
the biggest thing is the combination of Jimmy and Draymond
and JK wasn't great last year. But because of all
(19:48):
the improvements JK has made is passing and the stuff
I just mentioned, it's it's really clicking.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
And so we're gonna stay with that.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Here's the thing he couldn't shoot three last year. This
year he's on fire. Now it's early. It's early, and
you lose your legs. You know, they're asking him to
do big defensive assignments. That is a lot on the
other end. So again, over the course of a season,
he's not gonna shoot forty four percent from threes. You
just get worn down, you lose your legs, you lose
your a little your arc. But last year, the one
(20:19):
thing about I've watched him twice. This year, much better
three point shooter. The other thing is he's still super young.
Is he like twenty three years old or twenty four
years old?
Speaker 4 (20:29):
Very young?
Speaker 1 (20:29):
He is very Rarely does a guy walk into the
NBA and they're a good passer. Lebron was rare. I
mean Lebron was had an IQ of a ten year bet.
Most young guys come in, they don't have a great
outside shot. I mean, Ray Allen didn't shoot threes in
college like he did in Boston and with the Miami.
He was an athletic guy that could shoot a little
(20:50):
Kaminga's passing and shooting, which take time in the gym
and feel are much better, no questions, better field offensively.
Speaker 6 (21:02):
Listen, your offseason NFL picks have been fired. Your offseason
NBA takes. You had the Warriors, I believe, missing the
playoffs and the Mavericks I think in the NBA finals,
and we'll give you a mulligan. You got some time left.
Warriors look pretty damn good, Collin, I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
Okay, old team, Okay, they don't need as much seasoning.
Speaker 6 (21:23):
Yep, yep.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
Okay, old team looks good early in the NBA season. Okay,
old team will get banged up more. Old team will
recover more slowly.
Speaker 6 (21:34):
And turnload management.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
The Warriors were going to look. I mean, same coach Draymond.
I mean it's the same guy that brought the newity,
veteran coach high IQ team that brought everybody back. A
lot of movement in Dallas with Tyree's out, Cooper's in
Dallas has all sorts of movement. It's not a shock
the Warriors look good early. That's not an all on him,
(21:57):
but that they were gonna play good. Well, they were
gonna play well early.
Speaker 6 (22:00):
You can bet against Steph Curry at your own peril.
My friend, I will not do such a thing. He's
I love watching it.
Speaker 5 (22:07):
Jmackle the news, Well that's the news and thanks for
stopping by the Herd Line Newsy Forget Bo Nicks has
sixty one college starts sec PAC twelve.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
He's a seasoned veteran. Kaminga. You know these guys that
come into the NBA at eighteen or nineteen years old,
they come, you know, they do a year in the
G League or one year of college where they play
thirty five games. I mean it takes. They can't go
to the hotel bar and have a glass of wine.
I mean literally, it takes these guys. You go, when
you watch Kaminga, it's a prime example. He just turned
(22:38):
twenty three. He's just figuring out how to play basketball,
and the Warriors offense is one of the most sophisticated
in the league. Young guys have always struggled. So you
watch Cominga now you're like, oh, you can see the
time in the gym. He can really shoot a three,
but you can also his feel. Draymond's always been a
great passer. But Draymond spent I mean didn't he spend
(23:00):
four years at Michigan State, three or four years under
Tom Izzo. So Draymond came into the NBA like season,
excellent coach, good conference. You know, these young guys come
in it just like I've said, it's about Jalen Green.
It's not the talent. They don't know how to play
basketball yet. And for the record, j Max, just a reminder,
(23:21):
the Warriors last year started twelve and three. So when
you bring back the composition smart coach, smart, Steph Curry,
Draymond Green. The question with the Warriors is February in March,
It's not October.
Speaker 6 (23:35):
So yes, I agree, I was mostly joking about your mulligan.
I do think. Listen, we talked load management earlier.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
Colin.
Speaker 6 (23:42):
You said to one of the oldest seams in the league,
it's smart for the Golden State Warriors to load manage
this season. Correct or Jeor false?
Speaker 1 (23:49):
Yeah, Steph should play sixty eight games.
Speaker 6 (23:51):
Yeah, and Draymond should load manage. Jimmy Butler for sure.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
Absolutely, Yeah you should. Just you should Jimmy Butler and
Steph and Draymond should be at the seventy game mark reward. Yeah.
I mean, I don't have problems with old guys who
have been carrying the league with ty. That doesn't bother
me at all.
Speaker 4 (24:08):
Can you tech.
Speaker 6 (24:08):
I know you're a big bawler. Can you text Michael Jordan?
Hey man, the old guys should load manage MJ stay
up king, you know, just something funny and witty.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Yeah right, it's got a bag of those next to me.
J Mack with the news and we'll take a break
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Speaker 2 (24:33):
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Speaker 4 (24:40):
Now.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
I was just thinking about Joel Klatt was talking about
what a great job. So LSU, Penn State, and Florida
all have job openings. If I did a pie chart
of the ten best jobs in college football, and I consider,
like you know, quality alive, who's your biggest booster? I
would do Texas at the top, and then beneath that,
(25:02):
I would do Ohio State in Georgia. So Buckeye's top
or Texas, longhornse first, Ohio State and Georgia's second. All
of them, by the way, nice college towns that matters.
The next three I would say LSU, USC in Florida,
and then the next four, seven, eight, nine to ten
(25:23):
Notre Dame, Oregon, Michigan, Penn State. You say, what about
Clemson Miami. They're in the ACC. They don't get the
Big ten money. They don't get the SEC money now
right now, Oregon doesn't get the Big ten money either,
but they have Phil Night money, so they get the money.
So Clemson in Miami just don't. They don't get the
money that the SEC are the big ten schools get.
In Oklahoma's probably the one on the way out the
(25:45):
state of Oklahoma. What it used to deliver in terms
of high school football players twenty twenty five years ago
now today it's not that it's not the same, and
they don't have a Phil Knight. So and I think
Tennessee Volunteers is way up there. Tennessee, oklahom Ill mcclems
in Miami. Tennessee has been so dysfunctional. But I would
say all things considered, Texas Top Ohio State, Georgia, LSU, USC, Florida,
(26:12):
Notre Dame, Oregon, Michigan, Penn State. LSU is a little
crazy town. It's the downside of the SEC. Is That's
why I like Texas. They're in the SEC, they're not
of the SEC. They're a little removed music, food scene
in Austin, little broader world. You know they just run
(26:35):
through coaches, run through people in the SEC. Well, you know,
you know you said Alabama with nil, Did I leave
out Alabama? Okay, I'll put Alabama fourth over Michigan. No, no,
I'll put Alabama fourth over Penn State. So I'll do
Michigan and then Bama, and then Penn State can complain.
(26:57):
So I would let's do it again. Texas, Ohio, Georgia, LSU, USC, Florida,
Notre Dame, Oregon, Michigan, Bama in the new nil world,
I do Bama doesn't have the money. Bama does not
have the money of Georgia, Texas, Ohio, State, USC, right now, Florida.
(27:18):
It's not this is not standing. This is not what
did Nick Saban do. Yeah, I guess Penn State, Oklahoma,
CLEMS in Miami. I'd probably leave out. It's close.
Speaker 4 (27:28):
Colin.
Speaker 6 (27:29):
Do you think this is a layered discussion because I
know you have Texas one, but we forget before Sark
they had a run of not being good for like
a decade. I think when arch Manning committed there, Texas
was something like five and six or five. It's coming
off of five and seven.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
So, I mean, let's be honest, Georgia played with their
food for twenty years. Yeah, until Kirby Smart, it was
still a great job. I mean, Georgia forever you're like,
come on, let's let's win a big game. And then
they got Kirby Smart and they did.
Speaker 6 (28:00):
I mean, so some of it is how much is
the collective willing to spend? I think that needs to
be like one of the top questions before you at
any of these job interviews. So ole Miss has they're
spending a lot of money on players. I mean, what
if what they're spending is competitive to what LSU is
and the money's competitive coaching wise, I don't think LSU's
that much of a better job in this era.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Than ole Miss.
Speaker 6 (28:20):
I'm sorry, I just you can't convince me, just based
on tell time.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
Out of town LSU, LSU, Les Miles won to Natty
Saban did at Orsha, those are different eras. Colin at
Orzeron was like, well, how many years ago?
Speaker 6 (28:33):
Four years ago? No, Joe Burke, fine, that was six
six years ago, right in the COVID era. Nil's a
little different now, right, wouldn't you.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
Say if you take Lane Keffin out of Old Miss.
How often have we ever talked Old Miss well, Lane
Kiffin is more valuable to Old Miss than vice versa.
Lane can get a job anywhere, He can get an
NFL job. Honestly, Lane, Ole Miss needs Lane more than
Lane needs Remember Dan Mullen.
Speaker 6 (29:00):
Dan Mullen was a hot shot at Mississippi State. They
were ranked first in the country. I think into like November, like,
you can do things if you're a really good coach anywhere.
I mean, I just think right now this whole like
LS used the best job in the country. I don't
know that I'm buying that. I have not heard the
compelling argument. Now listen, if you're in the Deep South
and LS use a cool college town and you want
(29:21):
to be in a cool area, Okay, I'll take that
over Oxford. But how much of that boxers into like
a forty year old, fifty year old guy.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
Now people get People say Oxford's a great college town.
Speaker 6 (29:31):
I'm sure it is.
Speaker 4 (29:32):
The Grove.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
Oh man, if you're forty years old, you don't really
care about a great college town, do you. No, I'm saying,
if you're asking me if I could have any college
football job me, I would have a different opinion. I
would take usc and Texas, and I may take Florida
third because I like Gainesville.
Speaker 6 (29:49):
So let's drill down on Texas. I've never been to Austin,
so I don't know. I can't speak about it. Tell
me what is so awesome about Austin teescas besides Joe
Rogan moved there with a bunch of podcast comedians.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
Well, it's just you're saying. It's like saying somebody's never
been to London. What makes London so cool? Well, you
got to go to London to know what London.
Speaker 6 (30:08):
Well, London has an amazing history. Austin's like a last
twenty years, it's been amazing, Right Austin wasn't a mecca
in the nineteen eighties. It's a kind of a new
boom town right now.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
No, I think Nashville is the newer boomtown. I think
Austin's got the River Hill country, the music, the food.
I think Austin's just probably the best college town out there.
It's one of the best college towns. That's part of it.
That's a compelling argument. But it's got no state tax, best,
best athletic director probably in the country, and it's just
(30:42):
got an endless reservoir. It's like Amazon if it was
a college football program. There's just a lot of money always,
so they've just got a lot of things it's got.
You know, it's a little hot in the summer for
my taste. But it's no state tax, great economy. I mean,
it's a great place. There's a reason even when they're
not good recruit Well, it's you take a kid into Austin,
(31:02):
Texas for the night, or you take a kid.
Speaker 6 (31:04):
Do you know, there's a lot of fun sometimes. So
now let's get to the football. Who's more likely to
win sooner? Whoever's coaching in Oregon or whoever's coaching in Austin.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
Well, Texas has advantages, Oh does it?
Speaker 6 (31:19):
Yeah, Oregon's in the mix every year.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
Oregon's talked in the far left, rainy part of the country.
If you took Phil Knight out, Oregon would be winning
six games, seven games a year.
Speaker 6 (31:29):
That's if Phil Knight's still there. Nike's in their backyard.
I just think it's easier to win at Oregon by
a mile than LSU. I don't understand why someone would
go LSU over Oregon. I'm a the coach I want
to win.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Let me ask you, if it's so hard to win
big then why did for twenty years the SEC crown
the national champion. Nick Saban didn't seem to have a problem.
Kirby Smarts don't have a problem. Lane Kiffin turned around
all miss. You know, if you're a good coach, you
win games anywhere. That's that's a Kurt Signette. He's crushing
in the Big ten at Indiana. So I mean, if
(32:02):
you're confident, it doesn't matter, you're gonna get It's like
it's almost like the world today. If you're good and
start a YouTube channel, you don't have to be the network.
You'll get an audience. If you start a podcast and
you're fascinating, you'll get an audience. So you can't be
afraid of Oh my god, we gotta play Georgia. Nick
Saban played them a lot and won a bunch of natties. Well,
(32:23):
we gotta play Ohio State. Jim Harbaugh did really well
with that. At the end. You gotta win games. I'm
just saying. I mean, the top two teams in the
country right now are in the Big Ten. There's a
bunch of good teams. I just watched Alabama struggle this
past weekend with a totally average team. Yeah, and Alabama
today doesn't look like Alabama five.
Speaker 6 (32:44):
Years ago got a gauntlet of a schedule. Let me
ask you about Clark Lee at Vanderbilt. I know Vanderbilt.
Oh what he's done bringing in players, column with their recruiting.
Who's Felman just did a story on this. I'm just
telling you, I appreciate that what Clark Lee's done at
Vanderbilt than anything that I've seen at LSU from Brian
Kelly the last few years. I mean he's getting four
or five star guys and losing games. Clark Lee at
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Vandy winning with like three two and three star players.
When you do more with less, that's when I look
up to you, and I think Clark Lee is a
guy who should probably be You.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
Used to be a writer, a sports writer.
Speaker 6 (33:18):
You like stories, you love the amazing you.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
Yeah it is. You like a guy that does more
with less. I like a guy that does more with more.
I like Nick Saban at Bama. You like the story
I like I like the dynasty.
Speaker 6 (33:34):
That's okay, I'm an underdog guy. You love heavy favorites. Hey,
what can we say, No elitist, one of us, not me?
Speaker 1 (33:41):
All right? Game five on Fox, Blue Jays, Dodgers, Blake,
Smell on the Man all take l Ex. You know,
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