Colin talks to NFL reporter Albert Breer about the upcoming NFL trade deadline, the Bills chances on winning the Super Bowl this season, the Rams looking great this season and more
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 1 (00:24):
And with that we go to Albert Breer. Tomorrow is
the NFL trade deadline. Monday morning, quarterback Okay I said
with Buffalo, I really do feel like you dominate in
the red zone the time of possession. You're at home
and Kansas City's got the ball trailing twenty eight twenty one.
I do feel like they need something on the perimeter.
What are you hearing on the Bills, Well.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
They're looking for two things now.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
The first thing actually is a defensive tackle because that
Oliver was injured last week and they don't know whether
or not they're going to get him back at all.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
If they do, it'll be during the playoffs, and so
they have a little bit of a depth issue there.
You saw what happened with the commanders last night. Could
maybe they make a call on somebody like Javon Kinlaw.
I can see that happening.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
So I think defensive tackle is their top priority right now,
but receivers right behind it. They've made calls on receivers.
I think the New Orleans receivers are interesting. So you
have Chris o'lave and Rashid Shahed there. My senses, they're
trying to get a lat of extended. They liked for
him to be their long term and the asking price
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for Shaheed is high. But Shahed does bring something to
the table calling that the Bills are lacking, which is
an over the top type of weapon that can stretch
the defense.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
You could really weaponize josh Allen's arm strength.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
So would you flip New Orleans a third round pick
for Shahed whose contract is up after the year. I
think that'd be the question the Bills are asking right now,
But they have asked on receivers, and again I think
the top priority would be defensive tackle.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
So the obvious sellers would be the Dolphins already have
maybe the Jet Saints. It does feel like over the
last couple of years, Jets, it does feel like over
the last couple of years there's more aggressive young gms
or is this just like it always is.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
I mean, it's like it always isn't that We're like
people like me are throwing around one hundred names for
like five or six to get traded. So like that's
not different than it's ever been. I do think there's
more discussion and more concepts are thrown around, you know,
And I do think like that. You know, teams have
gotten ahead of this a little bit. You saw Jie
Alexander Trader over the weekend. Ye you know, obviously Jalen
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Phillips happens today, So like there is a little bit
more aggression earlier in the game too. I think we'll
see some action tomorrow. Again, like most of it's going
to come down to how far teams are willing to
go to get players who may be on expiring contracts
or may only have a year and a half left
on their deals. So, if you want to go down
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the list, some of the teams I mentioned, the Saints,
the receivers are certainly in play. Would they move one
of their older defensive players? Look at the Mario Davis
the Dolphins. You know they trade Jalen Phillips. Could they
trade and make a Fitzpatrick. I don't think they'll trade
Jalen Waddle. They've basically given teams that have called and
know on that one. But if Fitzpatrick could be valuable
as a movable piece in your secondary and then I
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think they still could trade another edge, like whether that's
Matthew Judah or Bradley Chubb. And the Jets are really
interesting here because the Jets can offer up Briest Hall,
who's in a contract year. I think it took a
Day two pick to get him. Jermaine Johnson actually has
a year and a half left on his deal. I
think they'd be much more willing to trade Jermaine Johnson
than they would will McDonald. Are you willing to give
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up a third round pick for Jermaine Johnson? And then
Quincy Williams, who's a pretty accomplished linebacker, he'd be available
as well. So there are a lot of names floating
around the Titans. They've gotten some calls on their edge
rushers Arden Key and Draymond Jones.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
They're open for business. Calvin Ridley could be available.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
They're open for business on anybody except probably Jeffrey Simmons.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
Or cam Ward.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
So there's a lot of that type of discussion right now,
and there's aggression in having those discussions, but how many
deals that actually results? And that's you know, always been
the trouble this time of year, is that you see
a lot more discussion than you do action.
Speaker 5 (04:11):
You know, it's the NFL.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Brian Schottenheimer has overachieved in my opinion. I mean, Cincinnati
without Burrow, I don't think there's a ton of pressure
on Zach Taylor and the Brown family doesn't buy out.
Speaker 5 (04:25):
You know. Coaches? Is there?
Speaker 1 (04:27):
I mean Miami, Mike McDaniel, I do it out last week.
I would consider Lane Kiffin. He's seen half these college quarterbacks,
he's recruited him, he's played them.
Speaker 5 (04:38):
Is there?
Speaker 1 (04:39):
I mean, do you see a firing coming as there?
We're talking trade deadline? What what is the It feels
like this year it's not as hot like four teams.
Just I don't feel like there's a coach in big
trouble right now.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
Yeah, I mean I have a hard time seeing the
Giants do that in mid season, you know, obviously, I
think I just don't see it happening in season. After
the season, Yeah, that could happen, I don't think it'll happen.
And during the season, you know, the Dolphins are interesting,
and I think the idea here for the Dolphins, and
Steven Ross said this in his statement, was is to
take a global look at their at their football operation
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and not have to do it in the shadows, right.
That's why they walk away from Chris Career, who'd been
with them for a quarter century on Friday. So, like,
they want to look at the idea of bringing in
a head of football operations. Do they want a model
where that guy's the boss. Do they want to model
where the coach is the boss. They'll be able to
look at all of this now and talk to a
lot of people, consult with a lot of different people,
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you know. Ultimately, I think the reason they pulled the
trigger on Chris and not Mike. Here, Steve Ross had
heard from a lot of people like Mike McDaniel could
wind up being dynamite, you know, if he gets a
second shot as a head coach, even if he's done
in Miami. And so I think he wanted to be
a little bit careful about pulling the trigger on McDaniel
just you know, the off chance that maybe they decide
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to bring in a head of football operations and that
guy comes in and decides they want to keep McDaniel
because I do think that there are a lot of
positives to what McDaniel's accomplished over is three plus years
in Miami. Still a lot of moving parts there, and
I'm not staying in season.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
Firing can't happen there either.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
I think the brometer it would be whether or not
he loses the locker room. You know, they do have
that trip to Madrid in a couple of weeks with
a buy on the other end of it, so you
never say never. But I don't think the idea would
be to pull the trigger on McDaniel until after the season,
when they get that full look at football.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Ops, who is your best team in the league? Now,
when you make all these calls and you talk to
people around the league, who are people impressed with?
Speaker 4 (06:41):
You know, I think people feel like Kansas City is
going to come around. Josh Simmons is back in the building.
That was a problem for them yesterday for the first time.
I think like not having Josh Simmons out there.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
So I think there's a.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
Feeling that Kansas City once they really get, you know,
rolling the offensive lines together.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
Obviously they got Roshie Rice back.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
Now we know what Bags can do on the defensive
side of the ball, that they'll be there.
Speaker 6 (07:01):
You know.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
Buffalo is another one where like they've really got their
house in order to earn their by and if you see,
like look over the last two weeks, right, they really
haven't had to to take the ferrari out of the garage,
so to speak with Josh Allen, you know, they've run
the ball really well. Josh Allen only threw the ball
twenty six times yesterday, which is a pretty low number.
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So there's that feeling that Buffalo can win games in
different ways.
Speaker 6 (07:26):
You know.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
Then you've got that sort of waiting room in the
in the in the AFC, right like you've got the
Colts and the Broncos and the Patriots that are right
there from a standings perspective, can they sustain it? But
the team to me, and I think j Mack mentioned
this that really looks like they're starting to pick up
up ahead of steam is the La Rams, a pretty
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complete team, a team with.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
A very good quarterback.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
And it's a different looking team to Colin Like I
this is this is very much like Sean McVay looking
in the mirror over the last couple of years after
he had the trouble with the Niners and having more
physical training camps and building a more physical team. And
you look at how rugged they are up front on
both sides of the ball. That offense is really centered
more about around Kyra and Williams than it is Matthew
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Stafford at this point. And Stafford doesn't need to be
superman for them to win games yet he still has
DeVante Adams and Puka Nakua to throw to. So this
looks like a team that can win a lot of
different types of fights, which is generally what wins in
the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
And they're going to be battle.
Speaker 4 (08:30):
Tested too the NFC West, and you look like Arizona
is not an easy out. They'll play tonight, right, And
then you have a Seattle team that looks like it
might be one of the five or six best teams
in the league. And San Francisco is really hanging in
there with all the injuries they've had.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
The Rams to me look a good team.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
It's very complete, and it is going to come out
of that division battle test.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
I want to close with this Cowboys host Arizona, Kyler
Murray could play.
Speaker 5 (08:54):
It's now Brissette's job.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
It feels like it's come to a inclusion and it
was a bad year for smaller quarterbacks. It was Russell
Wilson to Kyler Murray. You know it's this is such
a cyclical league. There was this whole thing. Get a
guy that can run. Size doesn't matter. Now you look
up and it's like, you know, it's Josh Allen, then
it's Herbert and it's the.
Speaker 5 (09:16):
Big the big guys.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
What's the conclusion of Kyler Murray? Do they move off him?
It feels like Gannon's really not interested long term.
Speaker 5 (09:26):
I mean, Brissette is more of.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
The class most defensive coaches, like a Brissette pocket. Everything's
on script. I can control it. Kyler, Kyler's more elusive
and doing his own thing. What do you make of
Kyler Marie in areas?
Speaker 4 (09:39):
Do you remember all the criticism we all had to
door Sanders right like coming out like where when he
bails out of the pocket, he bails out the back
of the pocket instead of climbing up in the pocket
and where he could create like you would see that
it would get the offense kind of discombobulated at times.
I think that's sort of what you're looking at, like
on the pro level now with Kyler Murray, where they're
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getting a look at what this looks.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
Like now because of the injury.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
What Jakobe burs said it was a very average quarterback,
a great guy, good guy out in your locker room,
all that, but a very average quarterback.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
And what are you seeing now?
Speaker 4 (10:15):
Marvin Harrison is starting to come alive a little bit,
Trey McBride starting to come alive a little bit. You're
seeing them get more out of the talent they've put
it into place around the quarterback.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
Does it mean you're getting a spectacular play from the quarterback. No,
but it does kind of bring to life a little.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
Bit of what they've built there over the course of
the last two and a half years. And so I
certainly think getting a look at what this looks like
with just an average quarterback in there does become part
of the evaluation. Out to the trouble is the contract
right like, they are locked in with guaranteed money for
twenty twenty six.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
They can't get out of that.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
So is there a way that you can trade you
Kyler Murray if you make the decision you want to
move off of them after the year.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
I think that would be the big picture question.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
But I certainly think that that discussion is one that'll
be had when the season ends in Arizona, presuming that
they don't catch fire down the streschol Kyler Murray in.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
There, Albert Breer Monday Morning Quarterback, appreciate you stopping buy
on late notice my man.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
All right, thanks Colin.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Yeah, keep your eye on the New Orleans Saints receivers
and the Buffalo Bills, among other moves. Breece Hall, maybe
New York Jets. Jets need to flush out a lot
beyond Breecee Hall.
Speaker 5 (11:28):
This is my opinion. I mean, Darnold and Aaron Rodgers Reborn.
Speaker 7 (11:32):
You see what this guy's doing. People, You see what
he's doing. He's needling me with the Jets. Tray Breese Hall, Listen,
would they draft their franchise quarterback Colling, whether it's Mendoza, Tyson, whoever,
They're gonna need some pieces around him.
Speaker 8 (11:44):
We're gonna look like cam Ward with the Titans.
Speaker 7 (11:46):
Cam Ward's sitting there with nobody to throw to, nobody
hand off to disaster. Jets are gonna be drafted top five, right,
top three, maybe top two. You need bres Hall to
hand off to in Garrett Wilson. Anybody on defense I
think is fair game.
Speaker 5 (11:58):
Breece Hall and Allen.
Speaker 8 (12:00):
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Speaker 1 (12:46):
Cowboys host Arizona tonight, I like Dallas. Dak is a
great quarterback at home, Jmax is win saying I don't
trust anything with Arizona.
Speaker 8 (12:58):
How can you trust the Dallas defense? I mean, this
feels like a three point game.
Speaker 7 (13:02):
Brandon already hits from fifty four to win it or
some nonsense, right, I mean Jacoby Brisett remember what he
did with the against the Colts a couple weeks ago.
Speaker 8 (13:11):
Steck can sling it.
Speaker 5 (13:12):
He's a veteran J Mack with the news.
Speaker 6 (13:16):
No, no turn on the news.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
This is the herd Line news.
Speaker 7 (13:20):
All right, let's start with major League baseball in the
Dodgers unbelievable Game seven triumph, one of the craziest and
best World Series games that I've ever seen. According to
Fox Sports PR, Game seven was the highest rated World
Series game since Game seven in twenty seventeen, with twenty
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five point nine million viewers across all platforms, peaking at
thirty one and a half million people colin to watch
Yamamoto close the door on the.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Of The Dodgers are apparently bad for baseball.
Speaker 7 (13:53):
Can we call this a choke by the Blue Jays
they led the entire game? Or is that just two
hards for a Game seven?
Speaker 1 (13:57):
And no, I don't think it, But I mean they
had in Game six it was a base running air.
Speaker 5 (14:02):
Yeah, that's why the Dodgers.
Speaker 8 (14:03):
You went home up three to two, and all of
them they.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Had a major snaff who on the bases in Game six.
None of the none of the Jays fans want to
talk about that. You open the door. You should have
won Game six.
Speaker 7 (14:15):
There are some people complaining that the guy on third
base when the bases were loaded didn't have a big
enough lead where he missed it by like a quarter
of a step to play at home played by Rojasri.
It's like, why wasn't he leading off more? But you know,
poor Blue Jays. That's a tough one. As for bad
for baseball, Colin, I don't totally understand that logic.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
That's just envy.
Speaker 5 (14:36):
It's not bad for baseball.
Speaker 8 (14:37):
I mean, dynasties are great.
Speaker 7 (14:39):
The Chiefs were great, dynasty, the Yankees were great, the Warriors.
Everybody loves or hates dynasties. They're polarizing right right now.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
The NBA is very international and nobody wins a second title.
Speaker 5 (14:50):
Yeah is that?
Speaker 1 (14:51):
I mean, this number is over double what the NBA
Finals will get. This this this is probably gonna get
twenty eight million, and the NBA's not going to get
I doubt fifteen million in their Game six.
Speaker 7 (15:06):
If it's Nicks Lakers, we'll see it probably won't be
but and also this was a Saturday night, which is
usually a wasteland for TV.
Speaker 8 (15:13):
People are out partying there. You know, it was Halloween nights.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Well, you're competing against college football.
Speaker 8 (15:17):
Or the night after Halloweens, are you?
Speaker 7 (15:19):
I mean, I went to a Halloween party Saturday and
people were going crazy out here in LA.
Speaker 8 (15:22):
Now you come out, you go to the parade after.
Speaker 7 (15:24):
This, I'm not sure.
Speaker 5 (15:27):
I don't do parades under any circumstances.
Speaker 7 (15:31):
All right, Sorry, we got to pivot to a negative story,
and that is the Jaden Daniels injury. I don't know
if we're going to show it here on Street now.
We're not the aftermath. It's just painful. According to reporters,
it's a dislocated, non throwing elbow. It sounds like his
season's probably over, But the Washington commanders haven't announced that
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Marcus Mariota gets the start. You know, unless it's small
doses of him is okay, But he's got to start
against the Detroit Lions. This is a loss Lions off
a loss deflated Washington. I saw a Lottimore also injured.
Sounds like his season's over. Washington shopping their tackles. I
saw that from a reporter. I don't know, man, they're cooked.
Speaker 8 (16:15):
It's over.
Speaker 7 (16:16):
That's four straight losses, and I think you just got
to start playing for next season, right, Yeah?
Speaker 1 (16:21):
I think they went into this season. They were so
shockingly good last year. You forget they were in the
middle of a rebuild and they're very, very old roster.
They loaded up on some contracts right without paying Jayden,
and old rosters get hurt and it takes longer recover.
So I think you know you got your quarterback, get
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him healthy, done for the season, and go ahead on
some draft picks.
Speaker 7 (16:45):
Easier said than done. But they may finish last in
the division.
Speaker 8 (16:49):
I don't know where you are. Jackson Dart is looking plucky.
I don't know.
Speaker 7 (16:54):
Washington could end up with like a top seven pick.
I don't know if they're gonna win another game. Coll Seriously,
is that bad for Washington? Final story is, let's go
back to your Bears Bengals game of the day.
Speaker 5 (17:05):
What a wild, wild game.
Speaker 7 (17:07):
Two kind of bad teams playing fun football.
Speaker 5 (17:10):
Bears aren't bad.
Speaker 6 (17:11):
They keep winning game and what's over under.
Speaker 7 (17:13):
On trick plays this weekend against the Giants, Kalla Williams
catching two passes, like he was all over the place.
Nicole should love them play unbelievable. After the game, though,
this is what I love. Chase Brown and Jamar Chase
were ticked off about the Bengals defense.
Speaker 8 (17:28):
I think we're gonna bleep out.
Speaker 7 (17:29):
Some of the stuff, Chase Brown said, but uh.
Speaker 5 (17:31):
He was mad.
Speaker 8 (17:32):
Yeah, here we go.
Speaker 9 (17:34):
We just got to play complimentary football, like we put
the ball in the end zone and go up a
point at the end, finish game, like just end it
like that's it, Like that's that's like, that's.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
What we need to do.
Speaker 9 (17:45):
Just end the game, like make them, make them get
us the ball back, let us go to twenty two victory,
and let's end the game.
Speaker 6 (17:52):
In the fourth party, you score two touchdowns for like
a minute of game time. What goes through your mind
when you score that second touchdown and you take the.
Speaker 5 (17:58):
Lead, defend to get a stop. I'm a stay in
my lane.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
I don't want to defensive players coming to me out
about what he's been doing.
Speaker 8 (18:06):
Hm.
Speaker 7 (18:07):
Wow, locker room sounds fractured now. Number Friday during headlines,
I said, keep an eye on teams that are going
into the by That Cincinnati defense look like they're headed to.
Speaker 8 (18:17):
The buy they're celebrating in Cancun.
Speaker 6 (18:18):
Right now.
Speaker 7 (18:19):
We got the bye week. Titans didn't do anything at all.
I'm just telling you these teams they're bad going into
the by now we're getting into the November, people are
starting to plan for the offseason. This Cincinnati team just
screaming like they quit. Well, I know you've been a
defender of Zach Taylor.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
Collins, Well, it's I defend him because I think it's
a frugal, of cheap ownership group. Joe Burrow is I
just I think there's such a difference in ownership and
front offices in the NFL, and I think Zach Taylor
is doing the best he can with limitation. It's like,
you're like, he's a sales guy and the product's not
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very good, and you have there's a million salespeople in
America right now that are trying to sell something and
the quality of the product is crap. And they're good salespeople,
but you're limited. And I so I'm not going to
beat up on Zach Taylor because I think it's hard
to win here.
Speaker 8 (19:07):
So are you bringing him back next year?
Speaker 11 (19:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (19:10):
Why not?
Speaker 1 (19:10):
Offensive guy Burrow likes him.
Speaker 5 (19:14):
Somebody on this show has to have patience.
Speaker 7 (19:16):
Wow, I can't believe endorsing Zach Taylor. Bengals fans are
ready to run him out of town round now, I
was trying to do that too.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
Mores between Mondamie and Zach Taylor, I'm the shoes.
Speaker 8 (19:27):
Oh we got politics in final hour, let's go.
Speaker 5 (19:31):
J Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Well, that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the Herd.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
Lie, he's the biggest Bears fan and believer in the
building and he joins us.
Speaker 5 (19:41):
Next it's the Herd.
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Speaker 1 (20:02):
Well, they are throwing a World Series Dynasty parade in
Los Angeles. In fact, not only are they throwing the
parade today in Los Angeles, but they're already scheduling next years.
Speaker 5 (20:16):
They want to be ahead of the curve.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
So Dave Roberts on top of the bus, we have
some video for the less fortunate baseball fans to growl
over the Los Angeles Dodgers back to back World Series champs,
got Rams championships, Lakers championships, back to back Dodgers championships,
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and now somebody who's been a tad less fortunate with
his teams. Danny Parkins, joining us from New York co
host First Things First, but here's the good news. You
can count on one hand in the last decade the
times a Bears fan could say, I love our offense
and what a mess in Green Bay.
Speaker 5 (21:00):
Love that Cincinnati game. I'll be honest.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Now I get Ben Johnson's tricks, Caleb's not being sacked it.
Speaker 8 (21:08):
They're starting to look like a functional operation, are they not?
Speaker 6 (21:12):
They definitely are. Thank you for that intro.
Speaker 11 (21:15):
I think I think there was a compliment wrapped up
in there somewhere, you know, literally, Colin, in my life,
the Bears when they have allowed thirty five or more,
they have not won a football game since I turned
twenty two. October of two thousand and eight was the
last time the Bears won a game where they allowed
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thirty five or more.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
And that was the.
Speaker 11 (21:38):
First time in the history of their franchise they won
a game allowing forty two or more. So, quite literally,
I've never seen a game like Sunday. And yes, a
huge piece of that is the Bengals defense, and the
Bengals defense without Trey Hendrickson and the Bengals defense looking
like they've quit on the season, but I don't care.
Caleb Williams was clutch, Ben Johnson was in his back.
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They were electric, they were exciting, and we can zoom
out if you want. Beyond that game, Caleb Williams is
good and he is improving, and at this point, I
think that's undeniable.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
I mean I talked to some NFL people yesterday and
they're like, listen, we still like Ben more than Caleb.
But I the one thing I've always defended Caleb on
high school, college and pros.
Speaker 5 (22:20):
He doesn't throw interceptions.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
He just doesn't, and a lot of great quarterbacks like
Peyton Manning Andrew Luck do so now he'll hold the
ball some of that. Maybe he's so gifted he's like,
I'm not gonna throw it.
Speaker 5 (22:30):
I'm gonna run it.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
Are you satisfied with playing within structure? We both know
he's got a ton of horsepower, but do you see growth?
Speaker 6 (22:41):
Undeniably?
Speaker 11 (22:43):
I think that it would have been nice if Ben
Johnson was there for him as a rookie, but he
wasn't you know that he had to go through firing
Matt Eberflus and firing Shane Waldron and the whole fiasco
of last year. But they upgraded the offensive line, they
upgraded his weapons, they upgraded his coach, who happened to
also he is play caller, and he's seeing growth. You
mentioned the sacks. He has, what fourteen sacks taken in
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eight weeks. He took sixty eight sacks last year. I
don't need to give you anything else beyond that and
its improvement. And all of the plays that he made
are not the crazy spin around backwards laser arm type
of things like some of them are. He still has that,
but it's like a baseball pitcher, you want to work
off of your fastball. For a quarterback, the fastball is
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playing in structure, playing in an offense, playing on time.
Caleb's getting better at that, and then he has the
ability to do those other things.
Speaker 6 (23:35):
It's going around social media.
Speaker 10 (23:36):
Now.
Speaker 11 (23:36):
You go watch the All twenty two version of that
throw to Loveland that ended up being the game winning touchdown.
It looked open on the TV broadcast, it wasn't. That
is a needle throw with three defenders around Colston Loveland
that he throws on the back shoulder intentionally because if
he leads him he's leading it into a safety like
Caleb's a gamer. That's his third come from behind drive
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in the fourth quarter in his last last five games.
So is he perfect or a finished product? Far from it.
But he's really talented and he's getting better week by week.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
So I was saying this watching the Chiefs last night.
There is a way to beat Mahomes when he's uncomfortable.
A couple Super Bowl blowout losses. Last night he gets
hit fifteen times. Now Josh Simmons is back in the
facility left tackle.
Speaker 5 (24:22):
He'd been out for personal reasons. That's a big deal.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
But my take was strangely maybe I said, you know,
Buffalo dominates time of possession, perfect in the red zone.
Speaker 5 (24:32):
Hit Mahomes fifteen times.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
From beginning to end the better team, and Mahomes had
the ball going for the tying touchdown. Like I'm like,
I know, Kansas City's five and four, that's not what
the score should have been. Am I being too Am
I being too anti Buffalo? I think they need another receiver,
a defensive lineman. Like, I'm like, guys, it can't be
twenty eight twenty one. When I look at the box score,
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it looks like thirty five thirteen.
Speaker 11 (25:00):
Listen McDermott choosing to kick that field goal at the
end of the game is so insane and indefensible, like
Pooch punted down.
Speaker 6 (25:08):
What are you doing?
Speaker 11 (25:09):
I have no like that is an inexplicable decision that
made that game feel even more Parently, Mahomes getting two
chances at the end zone at the end is crazy
embarrassing from McDermott and game management. But I don't love
the analysis that people seem to have boxed us into
where it's like, well, the Bills need to prove they
can beat the Chiefs in January, so the Bills beating
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the Chiefs in November means nothing. Then why did I watch?
Why do I spend three and a half hours watching?
Because like right now, if the season ended, the Chiefs
would not be in the playoffs. Denver won again, the
Chargers won again, The Chiefs are in third place. Do
I think they're better than those teams? Of course I do.
Do I understand why they get the benefit of the doubt?
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Of course I give it to them all the time.
They were number one on my top ten teams let's
heading into this game. But Buffalo was number three like
Buffalo also to me deserved befit of a doubt from
that two game blip. And if you're struggling to give
credit to Buffalo, give it to their defense because coming
into that game, it was the worst rush defense that
McDermott had ever had. And even though their pass numbers
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were pretty good, Drake May carved them up and Lamar
Jackson carved them up. There was an expectation that the
Chiefs are going to be able to get whatever they
wanted whenever they wanted. They had scored twenty eight or
more in five straight games, and the Bills held Patrick
Mahomes to the worst completion percentage game of his career,
the third worst passer rating game of his career, and
held the Chiefs to twenty one points. Like that, Bill's defense,
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I thought made the statement of the weekend.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
So you're a baseball fan and a Cubs fan, and
you know the sport very well, and I've said is
that it's not just about money, because Steve Cohen has
more money than anybody. If you look at the NFL,
the New York teams are terrible. Green Bezo was viable,
so and those New York teams have massive game day revenue.
It's always been about how do you spend the money?
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Plenty of rich people are you know, are broke ten
years later. So I looked at the Dodgers, but I'm
and I look at it and I think Meggi, Rojas,
the outfielder. I mean, yes, they went and spent on Yoshi,
there's no denying that. But there is a quality to
this team that they have. You know, you're Will Smith
an old you know, Rojas and the center fielder making
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a catch and left as a late replacement.
Speaker 5 (27:20):
They do a lot of that stuff.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
It's a I've said before, it's the best run organization
in any city I've ever lived in. They let go
of Corey Seeger, they let go of Trade Turner. I
mean Corey Seeger is the best. I think he's the
best Rangers player. Tredye Turner won the National League Credit.
They let Manny Machado walk, They let Zach Grinke go.
Like they don't sign everybody. They sign the right guys.
How do you view I mean, Milwaukee's a great example.
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Lost their manager and GM they got better, Like there
is something about culture. How do you Because Ricketts has
money in Chicago, but a smaller game day revenue with
the stadium. How do you view the Dodgers and their
money and wealth.
Speaker 11 (27:58):
Well, it's a combination of right, Like two things can
be true. They have the best local TV deal in sports,
so they have the most revenue in the sport, which
is a competitive advantage that they also take advantage of
really well, like Andrew Friedman is arguably and maybe in
arguably now the best executive in the game, Like he
could do it with no budget, and then he has
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the best budget. The Dodgers are the best of both worlds.
Speaker 6 (28:23):
To your point.
Speaker 11 (28:24):
They develop a great farm system and they signed the
top end the top end talent, so they're the best
organization that happens to have the most resources in all
of baseball. I just thought, you know, baseball is so
great at moments. It's so great at drama. The one
sixty two can be mundane at times because we struggle
to attach any sort of significance to one game.
Speaker 6 (28:44):
But these playoffs were great.
Speaker 11 (28:46):
And the fact that Yamamoto can have the complete game
in game two, have a good game in game six,
and then come back in game seven.
Speaker 6 (28:55):
And do what he did. It's on the short list.
Speaker 11 (28:57):
I'd put it right there with Madison Bumgardner in twenty four.
Team Bumgardner through a twenty four innings one Game one,
one Game five, and then had a five inning save in.
Speaker 6 (29:06):
Game seven with a point four e er.
Speaker 11 (29:09):
It's one of the great World Series pitching performances in
the history of the sport. And I don't know how
you ever recover from it. If you're a Blue Jays fan,
like you have the eighteen inning game, you got outfielders
colliding with each other. You got to play at a
play at the plate that you need the Zupruder film
to analyze, you know, Vlado, you know you could have
thought the ball was gone off the bat.
Speaker 6 (29:28):
The double play to ended with Game six.
Speaker 11 (29:30):
It was just losing Game six and Game seven at home.
Just absolutely sick for Blue Jays fans. And then the Dodgers,
as the best running organization in.
Speaker 6 (29:39):
The sport, gets to keep the trophy.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
Yeah, circling back, I'm not saying you're tickled by it,
but it is rare when the Bears offense is fourth
in the league and the Packers are completely letical by it.
I could say I said it earlier. They have no identity,
I have no idea. What the offense says you watched.
If you watch the Bears most, you watch the Packer second.
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I can't figure out what they are offensively. It's hard
to create an identity. They have lost theirs. What are they?
Speaker 6 (30:13):
Yeah?
Speaker 11 (30:13):
The running game is not what it was last year,
which is a weird thing given Matt Lafleur and how
much he wants to run the ball. Like Jacobs, has
just not been as effective this year. Like Jordan Love
is very very good, clearly, and I do find that
very annoying that Packers fans get to go from Farv
to Rogers to Love. I feel like they deserve twenty
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years of Mitch Trubisky. But I'll remove my biases from it.
But Jordan Love still makes inexplicable throws, like the interception
against Cleveland lost him a game.
Speaker 6 (30:44):
It was terrible.
Speaker 11 (30:45):
His interception against Cincinnati in the red zone took points
off the board.
Speaker 6 (30:49):
Interception in this spot was bad.
Speaker 11 (30:51):
Should have thrown a pick six where he rolled left,
brought the whole defense left, thrown it through it right.
Speaker 6 (30:54):
I knew Dobb's is out the back of the end zone. McManus.
Speaker 11 (30:57):
Their kicker is getting booed at home like they can't
can't stop the run. They were the one seed heading
into the week, and I still don't really think they're
all that good. They're good, they're talented, they'll probably make
the playoffs, but I think they're just good enough to
make a crucial mistake the divisional round of the playoffs,
and I just can't get all the way there yet.
Speaker 5 (31:14):
On Jordan Love, how'd your picks do this weekend?
Speaker 11 (31:19):
Colin, aren't we out of time yet? I went one
and two. It's very frustrating. I go three and oh,
then I go one and two, and then I go
two and one, and then I go oh and three.
I just can't seem to get any margin freerr between
me and five hundred this year. It's very frustrating. But
I'm still beating Nick Wright, which is really what mappens.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
Frankly, we're all happy about that. That's a company too,
a referendum beat Nick right.
Speaker 5 (31:43):
Absolutely. Daddy Park has great seeing you buy.
Speaker 11 (31:47):
Congrats on the Hall of Fame, Colin, no one more deserving.
Speaker 5 (31:49):
Oh thank you so much.
Speaker 7 (31:50):
Dan.
Speaker 5 (31:50):
I appreciate that.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
And I shook a lot of hands and because of it,
I'm sick, but I'm fine.
Speaker 5 (31:55):
We're gonna do. Okay, here, I have been knocking down
that tumeric And.
Speaker 7 (32:00):
Weren't you pivoting to fist bumps after COVID. Didn't you
start stop shaking hands and start fist bumping.
Speaker 5 (32:04):
Oh, I've predicted it. She says, you're gonna get six.
She said, you just wiped your nose. Somebody has shook
your hand. It's whatever, Who cares? I'm telling you.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
You and I last night watching Seattle impressive. It really,
you know, in the air thing people forget. I watched
arch Manning this weekend.
Speaker 5 (32:20):
He was very good. People.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
People are like, well, I mean he wasn't good early.
You have to remember college football seasons now J Mack
or like, can be fourteen games there? I mean it
used to be college football is eleven games. Now it's
like fourteen.
Speaker 7 (32:32):
But the thing about Seattle, so they win ten games
last year and they decide, eah, we don't like where
we're going, we don't like the trajectory. Let's trade our quarterback. Right,
they get rid of Geno Smith and let's get off
Dk Metcalf.
Speaker 8 (32:43):
And they're better Colin and Tyler Locke. Impressive.
Speaker 7 (32:46):
So Minnesota won a lot of games last year with
Arnold and they decided we're going to change it up
and it's not going as much.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
Well, I think these decisions are hard. I think I
think Seattle liked DK Metcalf, but he had been a
bit high maintenance. And also you have to remember they
had seen JSN the year before. They get to see practice.
You know a lot of these organizations they get stuff
that we don't see. So you're like, oh, is JSN
a one? Well, John Snyder and his staff clearly in
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the off season said he was great as a rookie.
He's a one, so we can move off him. So
we as much homework as you and I do. We're
not watching Seahawk practice film. So Seattle obviously saw JSN
and went, oh, this kid is inches away if we
could get him a more a better deep ball thrower,
and a better quarterback.
Speaker 5 (33:34):
And Darnold's better than Genos.
Speaker 8 (33:36):
Featuring him more this year as opposed the last year.
Speaker 7 (33:38):
So remember in the NBA Kentucky guards pop in the
NBA Ohio State receivers Abuca.
Speaker 6 (33:44):
I mean, he looks like a Nickel number one.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
Oh no, those guys, and they got two of them
this year. Yeah, they got they have two other receivers.
You know that Harrison at Arizona has been the disappointment.
Everybody else is over delivered out of Ohio state. All right,
done for the day. First things first. On a Monday,
look gloomy for old Nick.
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 1 (00:24):
And with that we go to Albert Breer. Tomorrow is
the NFL trade deadline. Monday morning, quarterback Okay I said
with Buffalo, I really do feel like you dominate in
the red zone the time of possession. You're at home
and Kansas City's got the ball trailing twenty eight twenty one.
I do feel like they need something on the perimeter.
What are you hearing on the Bills, Well.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
They're looking for two things now.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
The first thing actually is a defensive tackle because that
Oliver was injured last week and they don't know whether
or not they're going to get him back at all.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
If they do, it'll be during the playoffs, and so
they have a little bit of a depth issue there.
You saw what happened with the commanders last night. Could
maybe they make a call on somebody like Javon Kinlaw.
I can see that happening.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
So I think defensive tackle is their top priority right now,
but receivers right behind it. They've made calls on receivers.
I think the New Orleans receivers are interesting. So you
have Chris o'lave and Rashid Shahed there. My senses, they're
trying to get a lat of extended. They liked for
him to be their long term and the asking price
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for Shaheed is high. But Shahed does bring something to
the table calling that the Bills are lacking, which is
an over the top type of weapon that can stretch
the defense.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
You could really weaponize josh Allen's arm strength.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
So would you flip New Orleans a third round pick
for Shahed whose contract is up after the year. I
think that'd be the question the Bills are asking right now,
But they have asked on receivers, and again I think
the top priority would be defensive tackle.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
So the obvious sellers would be the Dolphins already have
maybe the Jet Saints. It does feel like over the
last couple of years, Jets, it does feel like over
the last couple of years there's more aggressive young gms
or is this just like it always is.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
I mean, it's like it always isn't that We're like
people like me are throwing around one hundred names for
like five or six to get traded. So like that's
not different than it's ever been. I do think there's
more discussion and more concepts are thrown around, you know,
And I do think like that. You know, teams have
gotten ahead of this a little bit. You saw Jie
Alexander Trader over the weekend. Ye you know, obviously Jalen
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Phillips happens today, So like there is a little bit
more aggression earlier in the game too. I think we'll
see some action tomorrow. Again, like most of it's going
to come down to how far teams are willing to
go to get players who may be on expiring contracts
or may only have a year and a half left
on their deals. So, if you want to go down
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the list, some of the teams I mentioned, the Saints,
the receivers are certainly in play. Would they move one
of their older defensive players? Look at the Mario Davis
the Dolphins. You know they trade Jalen Phillips. Could they
trade and make a Fitzpatrick. I don't think they'll trade
Jalen Waddle. They've basically given teams that have called and
know on that one. But if Fitzpatrick could be valuable
as a movable piece in your secondary and then I
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think they still could trade another edge, like whether that's
Matthew Judah or Bradley Chubb. And the Jets are really
interesting here because the Jets can offer up Briest Hall,
who's in a contract year. I think it took a
Day two pick to get him. Jermaine Johnson actually has
a year and a half left on his deal. I
think they'd be much more willing to trade Jermaine Johnson
than they would will McDonald. Are you willing to give
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up a third round pick for Jermaine Johnson? And then
Quincy Williams, who's a pretty accomplished linebacker, he'd be available
as well. So there are a lot of names floating
around the Titans. They've gotten some calls on their edge
rushers Arden Key and Draymond Jones.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
They're open for business. Calvin Ridley could be available.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
They're open for business on anybody except probably Jeffrey Simmons.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
Or cam Ward.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
So there's a lot of that type of discussion right now,
and there's aggression in having those discussions, but how many
deals that actually results? And that's you know, always been
the trouble this time of year, is that you see
a lot more discussion than you do action.
Speaker 5 (04:11):
You know, it's the NFL.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Brian Schottenheimer has overachieved in my opinion. I mean, Cincinnati
without Burrow, I don't think there's a ton of pressure
on Zach Taylor and the Brown family doesn't buy out.
Speaker 5 (04:25):
You know. Coaches? Is there?
Speaker 1 (04:27):
I mean Miami, Mike McDaniel, I do it out last week.
I would consider Lane Kiffin. He's seen half these college quarterbacks,
he's recruited him, he's played them.
Speaker 5 (04:38):
Is there?
Speaker 1 (04:39):
I mean, do you see a firing coming as there?
We're talking trade deadline? What what is the It feels
like this year it's not as hot like four teams.
Just I don't feel like there's a coach in big
trouble right now.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
Yeah, I mean I have a hard time seeing the
Giants do that in mid season, you know, obviously, I
think I just don't see it happening in season. After
the season, Yeah, that could happen, I don't think it'll happen.
And during the season, you know, the Dolphins are interesting,
and I think the idea here for the Dolphins, and
Steven Ross said this in his statement, was is to
take a global look at their at their football operation
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and not have to do it in the shadows, right.
That's why they walk away from Chris Career, who'd been
with them for a quarter century on Friday. So, like,
they want to look at the idea of bringing in
a head of football operations. Do they want a model
where that guy's the boss. Do they want to model
where the coach is the boss. They'll be able to
look at all of this now and talk to a
lot of people, consult with a lot of different people,
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you know. Ultimately, I think the reason they pulled the
trigger on Chris and not Mike. Here, Steve Ross had
heard from a lot of people like Mike McDaniel could
wind up being dynamite, you know, if he gets a
second shot as a head coach, even if he's done
in Miami. And so I think he wanted to be
a little bit careful about pulling the trigger on McDaniel
just you know, the off chance that maybe they decide
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to bring in a head of football operations and that
guy comes in and decides they want to keep McDaniel
because I do think that there are a lot of
positives to what McDaniel's accomplished over is three plus years
in Miami. Still a lot of moving parts there, and
I'm not staying in season.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
Firing can't happen there either.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
I think the brometer it would be whether or not
he loses the locker room. You know, they do have
that trip to Madrid in a couple of weeks with
a buy on the other end of it, so you
never say never. But I don't think the idea would
be to pull the trigger on McDaniel until after the season,
when they get that full look at football.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Ops, who is your best team in the league? Now,
when you make all these calls and you talk to
people around the league, who are people impressed with?
Speaker 4 (06:41):
You know, I think people feel like Kansas City is
going to come around. Josh Simmons is back in the building.
That was a problem for them yesterday for the first time.
I think like not having Josh Simmons out there.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
So I think there's a.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
Feeling that Kansas City once they really get, you know,
rolling the offensive lines together.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
Obviously they got Roshie Rice back.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
Now we know what Bags can do on the defensive
side of the ball, that they'll be there.
Speaker 6 (07:01):
You know.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
Buffalo is another one where like they've really got their
house in order to earn their by and if you see,
like look over the last two weeks, right, they really
haven't had to to take the ferrari out of the garage,
so to speak with Josh Allen, you know, they've run
the ball really well. Josh Allen only threw the ball
twenty six times yesterday, which is a pretty low number.
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So there's that feeling that Buffalo can win games in
different ways.
Speaker 6 (07:26):
You know.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
Then you've got that sort of waiting room in the
in the in the AFC, right like you've got the
Colts and the Broncos and the Patriots that are right
there from a standings perspective, can they sustain it? But
the team to me, and I think j Mack mentioned
this that really looks like they're starting to pick up
up ahead of steam is the La Rams, a pretty
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complete team, a team with.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
A very good quarterback.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
And it's a different looking team to Colin Like I
this is this is very much like Sean McVay looking
in the mirror over the last couple of years after
he had the trouble with the Niners and having more
physical training camps and building a more physical team. And
you look at how rugged they are up front on
both sides of the ball. That offense is really centered
more about around Kyra and Williams than it is Matthew
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Stafford at this point. And Stafford doesn't need to be
superman for them to win games yet he still has
DeVante Adams and Puka Nakua to throw to. So this
looks like a team that can win a lot of
different types of fights, which is generally what wins in
the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
And they're going to be battle.
Speaker 4 (08:30):
Tested too the NFC West, and you look like Arizona
is not an easy out. They'll play tonight, right, And
then you have a Seattle team that looks like it
might be one of the five or six best teams
in the league. And San Francisco is really hanging in
there with all the injuries they've had.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
The Rams to me look a good team.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
It's very complete, and it is going to come out
of that division battle test.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
I want to close with this Cowboys host Arizona, Kyler
Murray could play.
Speaker 5 (08:54):
It's now Brissette's job.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
It feels like it's come to a inclusion and it
was a bad year for smaller quarterbacks. It was Russell
Wilson to Kyler Murray. You know it's this is such
a cyclical league. There was this whole thing. Get a
guy that can run. Size doesn't matter. Now you look
up and it's like, you know, it's Josh Allen, then
it's Herbert and it's the.
Speaker 5 (09:16):
Big the big guys.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
What's the conclusion of Kyler Murray? Do they move off him?
It feels like Gannon's really not interested long term.
Speaker 5 (09:26):
I mean, Brissette is more of.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
The class most defensive coaches, like a Brissette pocket. Everything's
on script. I can control it. Kyler, Kyler's more elusive
and doing his own thing. What do you make of
Kyler Marie in areas?
Speaker 4 (09:39):
Do you remember all the criticism we all had to
door Sanders right like coming out like where when he
bails out of the pocket, he bails out the back
of the pocket instead of climbing up in the pocket
and where he could create like you would see that
it would get the offense kind of discombobulated at times.
I think that's sort of what you're looking at, like
on the pro level now with Kyler Murray, where they're
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getting a look at what this looks.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
Like now because of the injury.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
What Jakobe burs said it was a very average quarterback,
a great guy, good guy out in your locker room,
all that, but a very average quarterback.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
And what are you seeing now?
Speaker 4 (10:15):
Marvin Harrison is starting to come alive a little bit,
Trey McBride starting to come alive a little bit. You're
seeing them get more out of the talent they've put
it into place around the quarterback.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
Does it mean you're getting a spectacular play from the quarterback. No,
but it does kind of bring to life a little.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
Bit of what they've built there over the course of
the last two and a half years. And so I
certainly think getting a look at what this looks like
with just an average quarterback in there does become part
of the evaluation. Out to the trouble is the contract
right like, they are locked in with guaranteed money for
twenty twenty six.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
They can't get out of that.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
So is there a way that you can trade you
Kyler Murray if you make the decision you want to
move off of them after the year.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
I think that would be the big picture question.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
But I certainly think that that discussion is one that'll
be had when the season ends in Arizona, presuming that
they don't catch fire down the streschol Kyler Murray in.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
There, Albert Breer Monday Morning Quarterback, appreciate you stopping buy
on late notice my man.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
All right, thanks Colin.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Yeah, keep your eye on the New Orleans Saints receivers
and the Buffalo Bills, among other moves. Breece Hall, maybe
New York Jets. Jets need to flush out a lot
beyond Breecee Hall.
Speaker 5 (11:28):
This is my opinion. I mean, Darnold and Aaron Rodgers Reborn.
Speaker 7 (11:32):
You see what this guy's doing. People, You see what
he's doing. He's needling me with the Jets. Tray Breese Hall, Listen,
would they draft their franchise quarterback Colling, whether it's Mendoza, Tyson, whoever,
They're gonna need some pieces around him.
Speaker 8 (11:44):
We're gonna look like cam Ward with the Titans.
Speaker 7 (11:46):
Cam Ward's sitting there with nobody to throw to, nobody
hand off to disaster. Jets are gonna be drafted top five, right,
top three, maybe top two. You need bres Hall to
hand off to in Garrett Wilson. Anybody on defense I
think is fair game.
Speaker 5 (11:58):
Breece Hall and Allen.
Speaker 8 (12:00):
You know you have Braylon Allen yell A one two punched,
Thunder and Lightning.
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Speaker 1 (12:46):
Cowboys host Arizona tonight, I like Dallas. Dak is a
great quarterback at home, Jmax is win saying I don't
trust anything with Arizona.
Speaker 8 (12:58):
How can you trust the Dallas defense? I mean, this
feels like a three point game.
Speaker 7 (13:02):
Brandon already hits from fifty four to win it or
some nonsense, right, I mean Jacoby Brisett remember what he
did with the against the Colts a couple weeks ago.
Speaker 8 (13:11):
Steck can sling it.
Speaker 5 (13:12):
He's a veteran J Mack with the news.
Speaker 6 (13:16):
No, no turn on the news.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
This is the herd Line news.
Speaker 7 (13:20):
All right, let's start with major League baseball in the
Dodgers unbelievable Game seven triumph, one of the craziest and
best World Series games that I've ever seen. According to
Fox Sports PR, Game seven was the highest rated World
Series game since Game seven in twenty seventeen, with twenty
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five point nine million viewers across all platforms, peaking at
thirty one and a half million people colin to watch
Yamamoto close the door on the.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Of The Dodgers are apparently bad for baseball.
Speaker 7 (13:53):
Can we call this a choke by the Blue Jays
they led the entire game? Or is that just two
hards for a Game seven?
Speaker 1 (13:57):
And no, I don't think it, But I mean they
had in Game six it was a base running air.
Speaker 5 (14:02):
Yeah, that's why the Dodgers.
Speaker 8 (14:03):
You went home up three to two, and all of
them they.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Had a major snaff who on the bases in Game six.
None of the none of the Jays fans want to
talk about that. You open the door. You should have
won Game six.
Speaker 7 (14:15):
There are some people complaining that the guy on third
base when the bases were loaded didn't have a big
enough lead where he missed it by like a quarter
of a step to play at home played by Rojasri.
It's like, why wasn't he leading off more? But you know,
poor Blue Jays. That's a tough one. As for bad
for baseball, Colin, I don't totally understand that logic.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
That's just envy.
Speaker 5 (14:36):
It's not bad for baseball.
Speaker 8 (14:37):
I mean, dynasties are great.
Speaker 7 (14:39):
The Chiefs were great, dynasty, the Yankees were great, the Warriors.
Everybody loves or hates dynasties. They're polarizing right right now.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
The NBA is very international and nobody wins a second title.
Speaker 5 (14:50):
Yeah is that?
Speaker 1 (14:51):
I mean, this number is over double what the NBA
Finals will get. This this this is probably gonna get
twenty eight million, and the NBA's not going to get
I doubt fifteen million in their Game six.
Speaker 7 (15:06):
If it's Nicks Lakers, we'll see it probably won't be
but and also this was a Saturday night, which is
usually a wasteland for TV.
Speaker 8 (15:13):
People are out partying there. You know, it was Halloween nights.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Well, you're competing against college football.
Speaker 8 (15:17):
Or the night after Halloweens, are you?
Speaker 7 (15:19):
I mean, I went to a Halloween party Saturday and
people were going crazy out here in LA.
Speaker 8 (15:22):
Now you come out, you go to the parade after.
Speaker 7 (15:24):
This, I'm not sure.
Speaker 5 (15:27):
I don't do parades under any circumstances.
Speaker 7 (15:31):
All right, Sorry, we got to pivot to a negative story,
and that is the Jaden Daniels injury. I don't know
if we're going to show it here on Street now.
We're not the aftermath. It's just painful. According to reporters,
it's a dislocated, non throwing elbow. It sounds like his
season's probably over, But the Washington commanders haven't announced that
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Marcus Mariota gets the start. You know, unless it's small
doses of him is okay, But he's got to start
against the Detroit Lions. This is a loss Lions off
a loss deflated Washington. I saw a Lottimore also injured.
Sounds like his season's over. Washington shopping their tackles. I
saw that from a reporter. I don't know, man, they're cooked.
Speaker 8 (16:15):
It's over.
Speaker 7 (16:16):
That's four straight losses, and I think you just got
to start playing for next season, right, Yeah?
Speaker 1 (16:21):
I think they went into this season. They were so
shockingly good last year. You forget they were in the
middle of a rebuild and they're very, very old roster.
They loaded up on some contracts right without paying Jayden,
and old rosters get hurt and it takes longer recover.
So I think you know you got your quarterback, get
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him healthy, done for the season, and go ahead on
some draft picks.
Speaker 7 (16:45):
Easier said than done. But they may finish last in
the division.
Speaker 8 (16:49):
I don't know where you are. Jackson Dart is looking plucky.
I don't know.
Speaker 7 (16:54):
Washington could end up with like a top seven pick.
I don't know if they're gonna win another game. Coll Seriously,
is that bad for Washington? Final story is, let's go
back to your Bears Bengals game of the day.
Speaker 5 (17:05):
What a wild, wild game.
Speaker 7 (17:07):
Two kind of bad teams playing fun football.
Speaker 5 (17:10):
Bears aren't bad.
Speaker 6 (17:11):
They keep winning game and what's over under.
Speaker 7 (17:13):
On trick plays this weekend against the Giants, Kalla Williams
catching two passes, like he was all over the place.
Nicole should love them play unbelievable. After the game, though,
this is what I love. Chase Brown and Jamar Chase
were ticked off about the Bengals defense.
Speaker 8 (17:28):
I think we're gonna bleep out.
Speaker 7 (17:29):
Some of the stuff, Chase Brown said, but uh.
Speaker 5 (17:31):
He was mad.
Speaker 8 (17:32):
Yeah, here we go.
Speaker 9 (17:34):
We just got to play complimentary football, like we put
the ball in the end zone and go up a
point at the end, finish game, like just end it
like that's it, Like that's that's like, that's.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
What we need to do.
Speaker 9 (17:45):
Just end the game, like make them, make them get
us the ball back, let us go to twenty two victory,
and let's end the game.
Speaker 6 (17:52):
In the fourth party, you score two touchdowns for like
a minute of game time. What goes through your mind
when you score that second touchdown and you take the.
Speaker 5 (17:58):
Lead, defend to get a stop. I'm a stay in
my lane.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
I don't want to defensive players coming to me out
about what he's been doing.
Speaker 8 (18:06):
Hm.
Speaker 7 (18:07):
Wow, locker room sounds fractured now. Number Friday during headlines,
I said, keep an eye on teams that are going
into the by That Cincinnati defense look like they're headed to.
Speaker 8 (18:17):
The buy they're celebrating in Cancun.
Speaker 6 (18:18):
Right now.
Speaker 7 (18:19):
We got the bye week. Titans didn't do anything at all.
I'm just telling you these teams they're bad going into
the by now we're getting into the November, people are
starting to plan for the offseason. This Cincinnati team just
screaming like they quit. Well, I know you've been a
defender of Zach Taylor.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
Collins, Well, it's I defend him because I think it's
a frugal, of cheap ownership group. Joe Burrow is I
just I think there's such a difference in ownership and
front offices in the NFL, and I think Zach Taylor
is doing the best he can with limitation. It's like,
you're like, he's a sales guy and the product's not
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very good, and you have there's a million salespeople in
America right now that are trying to sell something and
the quality of the product is crap. And they're good salespeople,
but you're limited. And I so I'm not going to
beat up on Zach Taylor because I think it's hard
to win here.
Speaker 8 (19:07):
So are you bringing him back next year?
Speaker 11 (19:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (19:10):
Why not?
Speaker 1 (19:10):
Offensive guy Burrow likes him.
Speaker 5 (19:14):
Somebody on this show has to have patience.
Speaker 7 (19:16):
Wow, I can't believe endorsing Zach Taylor. Bengals fans are
ready to run him out of town round now, I
was trying to do that too.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
Mores between Mondamie and Zach Taylor, I'm the shoes.
Speaker 8 (19:27):
Oh we got politics in final hour, let's go.
Speaker 5 (19:31):
J Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Well, that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the Herd.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
Lie, he's the biggest Bears fan and believer in the
building and he joins us.
Speaker 5 (19:41):
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Speaker 1 (20:02):
Well, they are throwing a World Series Dynasty parade in
Los Angeles. In fact, not only are they throwing the
parade today in Los Angeles, but they're already scheduling next years.
Speaker 5 (20:16):
They want to be ahead of the curve.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
So Dave Roberts on top of the bus, we have
some video for the less fortunate baseball fans to growl
over the Los Angeles Dodgers back to back World Series champs,
got Rams championships, Lakers championships, back to back Dodgers championships,
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and now somebody who's been a tad less fortunate with
his teams. Danny Parkins, joining us from New York co
host First Things First, but here's the good news. You
can count on one hand in the last decade the
times a Bears fan could say, I love our offense
and what a mess in Green Bay.
Speaker 5 (21:00):
Love that Cincinnati game. I'll be honest.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Now I get Ben Johnson's tricks, Caleb's not being sacked it.
Speaker 8 (21:08):
They're starting to look like a functional operation, are they not?
Speaker 6 (21:12):
They definitely are. Thank you for that intro.
Speaker 11 (21:15):
I think I think there was a compliment wrapped up
in there somewhere, you know, literally, Colin, in my life,
the Bears when they have allowed thirty five or more,
they have not won a football game since I turned
twenty two. October of two thousand and eight was the
last time the Bears won a game where they allowed
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thirty five or more.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
And that was the.
Speaker 11 (21:38):
First time in the history of their franchise they won
a game allowing forty two or more. So, quite literally,
I've never seen a game like Sunday. And yes, a
huge piece of that is the Bengals defense, and the
Bengals defense without Trey Hendrickson and the Bengals defense looking
like they've quit on the season, but I don't care.
Caleb Williams was clutch, Ben Johnson was in his back.
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They were electric, they were exciting, and we can zoom
out if you want. Beyond that game, Caleb Williams is
good and he is improving, and at this point, I
think that's undeniable.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
I mean I talked to some NFL people yesterday and
they're like, listen, we still like Ben more than Caleb.
But I the one thing I've always defended Caleb on
high school, college and pros.
Speaker 5 (22:20):
He doesn't throw interceptions.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
He just doesn't, and a lot of great quarterbacks like
Peyton Manning Andrew Luck do so now he'll hold the
ball some of that. Maybe he's so gifted he's like,
I'm not gonna throw it.
Speaker 5 (22:30):
I'm gonna run it.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
Are you satisfied with playing within structure? We both know
he's got a ton of horsepower, but do you see growth?
Speaker 6 (22:41):
Undeniably?
Speaker 11 (22:43):
I think that it would have been nice if Ben
Johnson was there for him as a rookie, but he
wasn't you know that he had to go through firing
Matt Eberflus and firing Shane Waldron and the whole fiasco
of last year. But they upgraded the offensive line, they
upgraded his weapons, they upgraded his coach, who happened to
also he is play caller, and he's seeing growth. You
mentioned the sacks. He has, what fourteen sacks taken in
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eight weeks. He took sixty eight sacks last year. I
don't need to give you anything else beyond that and
its improvement. And all of the plays that he made
are not the crazy spin around backwards laser arm type
of things like some of them are. He still has that,
but it's like a baseball pitcher, you want to work
off of your fastball. For a quarterback, the fastball is
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playing in structure, playing in an offense, playing on time.
Caleb's getting better at that, and then he has the
ability to do those other things.
Speaker 6 (23:35):
It's going around social media.
Speaker 10 (23:36):
Now.
Speaker 11 (23:36):
You go watch the All twenty two version of that
throw to Loveland that ended up being the game winning touchdown.
It looked open on the TV broadcast, it wasn't. That
is a needle throw with three defenders around Colston Loveland
that he throws on the back shoulder intentionally because if
he leads him he's leading it into a safety like
Caleb's a gamer. That's his third come from behind drive
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in the fourth quarter in his last last five games.
So is he perfect or a finished product? Far from it.
But he's really talented and he's getting better week by week.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
So I was saying this watching the Chiefs last night.
There is a way to beat Mahomes when he's uncomfortable.
A couple Super Bowl blowout losses. Last night he gets
hit fifteen times. Now Josh Simmons is back in the
facility left tackle.
Speaker 5 (24:22):
He'd been out for personal reasons. That's a big deal.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
But my take was strangely maybe I said, you know,
Buffalo dominates time of possession, perfect in the red zone.
Speaker 5 (24:32):
Hit Mahomes fifteen times.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
From beginning to end the better team, and Mahomes had
the ball going for the tying touchdown. Like I'm like,
I know, Kansas City's five and four, that's not what
the score should have been. Am I being too Am
I being too anti Buffalo? I think they need another receiver,
a defensive lineman. Like, I'm like, guys, it can't be
twenty eight twenty one. When I look at the box score,
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it looks like thirty five thirteen.
Speaker 11 (25:00):
Listen McDermott choosing to kick that field goal at the
end of the game is so insane and indefensible, like
Pooch punted down.
Speaker 6 (25:08):
What are you doing?
Speaker 11 (25:09):
I have no like that is an inexplicable decision that
made that game feel even more Parently, Mahomes getting two
chances at the end zone at the end is crazy
embarrassing from McDermott and game management. But I don't love
the analysis that people seem to have boxed us into
where it's like, well, the Bills need to prove they
can beat the Chiefs in January, so the Bills beating
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the Chiefs in November means nothing. Then why did I watch?
Why do I spend three and a half hours watching?
Because like right now, if the season ended, the Chiefs
would not be in the playoffs. Denver won again, the
Chargers won again, The Chiefs are in third place. Do
I think they're better than those teams? Of course I do.
Do I understand why they get the benefit of the doubt?
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Of course I give it to them all the time.
They were number one on my top ten teams let's
heading into this game. But Buffalo was number three like
Buffalo also to me deserved befit of a doubt from
that two game blip. And if you're struggling to give
credit to Buffalo, give it to their defense because coming
into that game, it was the worst rush defense that
McDermott had ever had. And even though their pass numbers
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were pretty good, Drake May carved them up and Lamar
Jackson carved them up. There was an expectation that the
Chiefs are going to be able to get whatever they
wanted whenever they wanted. They had scored twenty eight or
more in five straight games, and the Bills held Patrick
Mahomes to the worst completion percentage game of his career,
the third worst passer rating game of his career, and
held the Chiefs to twenty one points. Like that, Bill's defense,
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I thought made the statement of the weekend.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
So you're a baseball fan and a Cubs fan, and
you know the sport very well, and I've said is
that it's not just about money, because Steve Cohen has
more money than anybody. If you look at the NFL,
the New York teams are terrible. Green Bezo was viable,
so and those New York teams have massive game day revenue.
It's always been about how do you spend the money?
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Plenty of rich people are you know, are broke ten
years later. So I looked at the Dodgers, but I'm
and I look at it and I think Meggi, Rojas,
the outfielder. I mean, yes, they went and spent on Yoshi,
there's no denying that. But there is a quality to
this team that they have. You know, you're Will Smith
an old you know, Rojas and the center fielder making
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a catch and left as a late replacement.
Speaker 5 (27:20):
They do a lot of that stuff.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
It's a I've said before, it's the best run organization
in any city I've ever lived in. They let go
of Corey Seeger, they let go of Trade Turner. I
mean Corey Seeger is the best. I think he's the
best Rangers player. Tredye Turner won the National League Credit.
They let Manny Machado walk, They let Zach Grinke go.
Like they don't sign everybody. They sign the right guys.
How do you view I mean, Milwaukee's a great example.
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Lost their manager and GM they got better, Like there
is something about culture. How do you Because Ricketts has
money in Chicago, but a smaller game day revenue with
the stadium. How do you view the Dodgers and their
money and wealth.
Speaker 11 (27:58):
Well, it's a combination of right, Like two things can
be true. They have the best local TV deal in sports,
so they have the most revenue in the sport, which
is a competitive advantage that they also take advantage of
really well, like Andrew Friedman is arguably and maybe in
arguably now the best executive in the game, Like he
could do it with no budget, and then he has
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the best budget. The Dodgers are the best of both worlds.
Speaker 6 (28:23):
To your point.
Speaker 11 (28:24):
They develop a great farm system and they signed the
top end the top end talent, so they're the best
organization that happens to have the most resources in all
of baseball. I just thought, you know, baseball is so
great at moments. It's so great at drama. The one
sixty two can be mundane at times because we struggle
to attach any sort of significance to one game.
Speaker 6 (28:44):
But these playoffs were great.
Speaker 11 (28:46):
And the fact that Yamamoto can have the complete game
in game two, have a good game in game six,
and then come back in game seven.
Speaker 6 (28:55):
And do what he did. It's on the short list.
Speaker 11 (28:57):
I'd put it right there with Madison Bumgardner in twenty four.
Team Bumgardner through a twenty four innings one Game one,
one Game five, and then had a five inning save in.
Speaker 6 (29:06):
Game seven with a point four e er.
Speaker 11 (29:09):
It's one of the great World Series pitching performances in
the history of the sport. And I don't know how
you ever recover from it. If you're a Blue Jays fan,
like you have the eighteen inning game, you got outfielders
colliding with each other. You got to play at a
play at the plate that you need the Zupruder film
to analyze, you know, Vlado, you know you could have
thought the ball was gone off the bat.
Speaker 6 (29:28):
The double play to ended with Game six.
Speaker 11 (29:30):
It was just losing Game six and Game seven at home.
Just absolutely sick for Blue Jays fans. And then the Dodgers,
as the best running organization in.
Speaker 6 (29:39):
The sport, gets to keep the trophy.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
Yeah, circling back, I'm not saying you're tickled by it,
but it is rare when the Bears offense is fourth
in the league and the Packers are completely letical by it.
I could say I said it earlier. They have no identity,
I have no idea. What the offense says you watched.
If you watch the Bears most, you watch the Packer second.
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I can't figure out what they are offensively. It's hard
to create an identity. They have lost theirs. What are they?
Speaker 6 (30:13):
Yeah?
Speaker 11 (30:13):
The running game is not what it was last year,
which is a weird thing given Matt Lafleur and how
much he wants to run the ball. Like Jacobs, has
just not been as effective this year. Like Jordan Love
is very very good, clearly, and I do find that
very annoying that Packers fans get to go from Farv
to Rogers to Love. I feel like they deserve twenty
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years of Mitch Trubisky. But I'll remove my biases from it.
But Jordan Love still makes inexplicable throws, like the interception
against Cleveland lost him a game.
Speaker 6 (30:44):
It was terrible.
Speaker 11 (30:45):
His interception against Cincinnati in the red zone took points
off the board.
Speaker 6 (30:49):
Interception in this spot was bad.
Speaker 11 (30:51):
Should have thrown a pick six where he rolled left,
brought the whole defense left, thrown it through it right.
Speaker 6 (30:54):
I knew Dobb's is out the back of the end zone. McManus.
Speaker 11 (30:57):
Their kicker is getting booed at home like they can't
can't stop the run. They were the one seed heading
into the week, and I still don't really think they're
all that good. They're good, they're talented, they'll probably make
the playoffs, but I think they're just good enough to
make a crucial mistake the divisional round of the playoffs,
and I just can't get all the way there yet.
Speaker 5 (31:14):
On Jordan Love, how'd your picks do this weekend?
Speaker 11 (31:19):
Colin, aren't we out of time yet? I went one
and two. It's very frustrating. I go three and oh,
then I go one and two, and then I go
two and one, and then I go oh and three.
I just can't seem to get any margin freerr between
me and five hundred this year. It's very frustrating. But
I'm still beating Nick Wright, which is really what mappens.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
Frankly, we're all happy about that. That's a company too,
a referendum beat Nick right.
Speaker 5 (31:43):
Absolutely. Daddy Park has great seeing you buy.
Speaker 11 (31:47):
Congrats on the Hall of Fame, Colin, no one more deserving.
Speaker 5 (31:49):
Oh thank you so much.
Speaker 7 (31:50):
Dan.
Speaker 5 (31:50):
I appreciate that.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
And I shook a lot of hands and because of it,
I'm sick, but I'm fine.
Speaker 5 (31:55):
We're gonna do. Okay, here, I have been knocking down
that tumeric And.
Speaker 7 (32:00):
Weren't you pivoting to fist bumps after COVID. Didn't you
start stop shaking hands and start fist bumping.
Speaker 5 (32:04):
Oh, I've predicted it. She says, you're gonna get six.
She said, you just wiped your nose. Somebody has shook
your hand. It's whatever, Who cares? I'm telling you.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
You and I last night watching Seattle impressive. It really,
you know, in the air thing people forget. I watched
arch Manning this weekend.
Speaker 5 (32:20):
He was very good. People.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
People are like, well, I mean he wasn't good early.
You have to remember college football seasons now J Mack
or like, can be fourteen games there? I mean it
used to be college football is eleven games. Now it's
like fourteen.
Speaker 7 (32:32):
But the thing about Seattle, so they win ten games
last year and they decide, eah, we don't like where
we're going, we don't like the trajectory. Let's trade our quarterback. Right,
they get rid of Geno Smith and let's get off
Dk Metcalf.
Speaker 8 (32:43):
And they're better Colin and Tyler Locke. Impressive.
Speaker 7 (32:46):
So Minnesota won a lot of games last year with
Arnold and they decided we're going to change it up
and it's not going as much.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
Well, I think these decisions are hard. I think I
think Seattle liked DK Metcalf, but he had been a
bit high maintenance. And also you have to remember they
had seen JSN the year before. They get to see practice.
You know a lot of these organizations they get stuff
that we don't see. So you're like, oh, is JSN
a one? Well, John Snyder and his staff clearly in
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the off season said he was great as a rookie.
He's a one, so we can move off him. So
we as much homework as you and I do. We're
not watching Seahawk practice film. So Seattle obviously saw JSN
and went, oh, this kid is inches away if we
could get him a more a better deep ball thrower,
and a better quarterback.
Speaker 5 (33:34):
And Darnold's better than Genos.
Speaker 8 (33:36):
Featuring him more this year as opposed the last year.
Speaker 7 (33:38):
So remember in the NBA Kentucky guards pop in the
NBA Ohio State receivers Abuca.
Speaker 6 (33:44):
I mean, he looks like a Nickel number one.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
Oh no, those guys, and they got two of them
this year. Yeah, they got they have two other receivers.
You know that Harrison at Arizona has been the disappointment.
Everybody else is over delivered out of Ohio state. All right,
done for the day. First things first. On a Monday,
look gloomy for old Nick.
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