November 4, 2025 • 26 mins
3-time Super Bowl Champion Julian Edelman joins the show to react to all the NFL trade deadline chaos and explain why the Kansas City Chiefs will bounce back after their loss to the Buffalo Bills
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 3 (00:25):
If you're a Cowboy fan.
Speaker 4 (00:27):
Everybody banged on the Cowboys for the Micah Parsons trade,
and that was the one thing I defended it. It
gave them flexibility. Just think about this this morning. After
the trade they just did. The Cowboys in return for
Micah Parsons got an additional first round pick next year.
Still have two first round picks, Kenny Clark and now
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Quinn Williams. That's six Pro Bowls and less than you're
paying for Mikeah Parsons. I said the Micah Parsons deal.
Do not buy into its devastating. It gives the Cowboys flexibility.
So Green Bay got Micah Dallas got an additional first
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round pick for this year, so they have two firsts
and they don't need a quarterback.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
That is huge leverage.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
They now have Quinn Williams, the best rush interior defender
in the league. Kenny Clark another great guy against the run,
and they're paying less than they were for Micah. And
if you ask general managers in the NFL, if you
had a choice between a dominant interior guy or an
edge rusher, you'd take the dominant interior guy. So now
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the Cowboys have two of them, Quinn Williams and Kenny Clark.
Because the interior defensive line position is a rare body type.
When you can get a guy that's six one and
a half three point thirty and has good feet, God
doesn't make a lot of those.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
There's a lot of good edge rushers.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
There's not many Chris Jones and Aaron Donald's and Reggie
Whites on the planet. Ever, with that, Julian Edelman Sundays
on Fox NFL Kickoff, All right, trade deadline is interesting,
so and let's revisit this. So a team like the
Colts get Sauce Gardener, Sace go Jalen Ramsey can be
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a little moody. Things go south. He goes south. But
in the next six weeks, next five weeks, they faced
Drake London, Nico Collins. You know, they're facing all these
number one wide receivers. How do you think Sauce Gardener
hopefully solving a Colt's weakness. What does that new to
the chemistry in the room in Indy.
Speaker 5 (02:39):
I think the corner positions the one position you can
bring in and just say, hey, you're gonna guard this guy,
and I think it's gonna benefit them.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (02:47):
Sauce coming from the environment he was in in New York,
probably very unmotivated. Yeah, he's rich, he's got money, but
it's tough to lose weekend and week out year after year.
And that's what he's experience his whole career. And we've
seen flashes of really good corner. Now you put him
on a team that's vying for, you know, pretty much
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a number one seed, a playoff spot, I bet you
his attitude changes completely. It reminds me when we brought
in a key to lead from Tampa Bay, I think
it was in twenty eleven or twelve, Yeah, and instantly
made an impact on our team. And if he didn't
get hurt in thirteen, I think the year that we
brought him in, we probably would have beat the Broncos
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in that AFC Championship, Like, that's how big of an
impact he had on our team. And I think corners,
you know, a really good corner. All you got to
say is hey, buddy, cover three or it's cover one,
You cover him, and I think he's gonna have a
great impact.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
On that team.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
Yeah, the Cowboys when they made the Mica move, my
take was always Jerry's a deal maker and he's been
trapped for two years.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
He has no flexibility.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
Quinn Williams, Kenny Clark, and they still have two number ones.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
That feels like, I mean, it's it, you know, this
jewels to.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
Get too elite interior defensive linemen huge, that's I mean
that we wouldn't have been the New England Patriots if
it wasn't for Seymour or will Fork.
Speaker 5 (04:15):
That's right, we had there, and there's a bunch of
other guys branch And and there's a bunch of guys.
But the interior part, if you've got a guy that
can take away two gaps, that's tough on the run game.
And once you start to make a team one dimensional
and they can't run the football, then you can dial
up better you know, coverage for your secondary and you
can get more creatives. So I think, you know, Jerry Jones,
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he's been in this league for a long time and
he's put out a competitive product pretty much, you know,
as long as I've been around. Yeah, they haven't won
a super Bowl, but like you said, he's got a
lot of flexibility.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Now they got some first rounders.
Speaker 5 (04:55):
Quinn Williams is going to be in that same category
as Sace Gardner where he's probably gonna up his game
now that he's a cowboy and he's got a quarterback
like Dakins, got an offense that can score like their
play's gonna raise.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
So I think that's a win win for them.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
So Sam Darnald and the Seahawks gave up a couple
of midpicks for Rashid Shaheed, meaning they can move JSN.
At Ohio State, he mostly played slot because they had
good sideline receivers, So now they can move JSN mostly
to the slot where he's you know, I mean, the
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kid's unbelievable. So your takeaway, how long does it take
for a Donald and Rashid to like connect? He is
an over the top threat sideline guy, no doubt about it.
Speaker 5 (05:46):
When you've got a guy that can stretch the field.
The happiest guy in that locker, he's got to be JSN.
I mean, anytime you got another because all the coverage
right now is going to JSN, right, you know. And
once you have a guy that can blow the top off,
it's gonna take one big throw from Sam Darnold to
Rashid Shiheed over the top and then all of a sudden,
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that intermediate pass game with a bunch of their tight
ends that they have and Smith and Jigba is gonna
eat all day. I mean, that's the number one thing
you want. And now that you have Smith and Jigba,
who could you could put him everywhere? So you could
have a guy like he's kind of like the Rashi
Rice piece over at the Chiefs. And then you got
Xavier Worthy who's stretching everything.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
And that's gonna be Rashid Shiheed.
Speaker 5 (06:34):
So as a guy that ate a lot in the slot,
anytime you had a guy outside that had speed, Once
you got one pass on the defense, it changes how
defenses play you completely.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
Yeah, you know, people are banging on the Colts for
giving up two first round picks one next year, one after.
It should be noted that thirty percent of the first
round picks bust. I mean, it's hard to get guys
right in this league. And even if you do get
them right, they very rarely hit early. Generally it takes
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a defensive lineman or a left tackle, it takes him
a year in this league. The Colts going for it, though,
is telling me Daniel Jones is our guy. Now that's
much easier for me to embrace in Seattle with Darnald
Donald right now, Analytically, the metrics says the best quarterback
in the league. Donald looks like a number one. The
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Colts are telling you with this move, we don't need
a quarterback. We think Daniel is it watching the Colts?
Do you buy that?
Speaker 2 (07:38):
I do buy that right now.
Speaker 5 (07:40):
I mean the Colts for the last few years have
been a quarterback way. Joe Flacco had him pretty competitive
a couple of years back.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Then they bring in Jacoby Brissett, and.
Speaker 5 (07:50):
You know, Daniel Jones had that little stint over in Minnesota,
got to learn see how this West Coast operation goes.
And then Shane Stiken has that kind of same system
and that confidence is showing on the screen each week
with Daniel Jones, and I remember going and seeing him
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in New York and it was just a walk through
type practice.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
And you watch Daniel Jones.
Speaker 5 (08:17):
First off, he's a big guy, and you watch him
throw the ball and the ball comes off his hand
and it's sexy and he looks like a quarterback and
it just you know, and it never just it never
worked out for him for whatever reason. I mean, the
pieces around him. And so once you see him in
your system doing well like Shane Sike is doing, you
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have I mean, that's gonna be your guy. And he's
got some experience and he's still a young guy, and
so you know, I think the sauce trade tells you
that they're all in for this year. And rightfully so
they're playing really good football in the AFC is kind
of all over the place right now.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
Yeah, So you Bill's Chiefs have played ten times, they've
split it a five. I looked at that lost by
Kansas City. In my take was they trailed by a
touchdown and had the ball late, and they got worked.
They got worked in the red zone, they got work
time of possession, they got Mahomes got hit fifteen times.
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Did you ever have a rival that beat you in
the regular season? But in a weird way. You came
out of the game flying home, thinking, listen, they exhausted,
they threw everything they had.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
Us we're the better team.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Probably one of those Denver or Baltimore teams may.
Speaker 5 (09:37):
Have beat us, and then we always saw them a
lot in the playoffs. And with this game shows me,
you know in week nine or week eight, is that
the Kansas City or the Buffalo Bills are just further
ahead than the Kansas City Chiefs right now because when
they play next, if they played next, they're going to
be completely different teams because of the season, because of
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you know, a couple of players stepping up and create
a name from themselves in these next three four weeks injuries.
So I just take from this game. Look, Buffalo, last
time playing the Chiefs in Old Orchard, you know, on
a two game skid, they needed this win. They're not
afraid of playing Kansas City, and they just were on
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their game and they rushed the ball very well with Cooks,
and you know, look at the Chiefs. They couldn't get
anything going on the offense side of the ball, and
Patrick Mahomes had his worst game of the year. So
this is gonna happen but by no means do I
think that this affects the Chiefs the next time they play,
because there'll be a completely different team when they play games.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
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NFL Kickoff. It's Julian Edelman on a trade deadline Tuesday.
Great stuff, Jill's appreciate it, no problem, Good to see
it get better.
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Speaker 4 (11:34):
Yeah, it's I think it's a really interesting point with
soft Gardener to the Colts, when you have a great corner,
just go, just go. Take out Drake London. You just
go guard Drake London, you go guard Nico Collins. I
think the Colts think it's go time. I think the
Jags beat the Raiders. It gets a little tight. C. J.
Stroud's gonna play. I think Chris Ballard wants to win
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the division now. I would rather go a first a third,
you know. And then Mitchell that there is a sense
on the internet the Colts gave up way too much.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
I think Dallas did well. Jmack with the news, turn
on the news.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
This is the herd line news.
Speaker 8 (12:19):
All right, let's do a little more. Trade deadline.
Speaker 6 (12:21):
So obviously the moves of are coming here fast and furious.
Sauce Gardner shipped, obviously to the Colts. Quinn Williams traded
to the Cowboys. Some more details on that. Quinn Williams
pick according to Adam Schefter, and he had rappaport, So
that twenty twenty seven, first that the Jets get, it'll
be the hire of either Dallas's or Green Bays pick
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one of those teams flops, Jordan love goes down. Whatever,
it's a really really high pick. In twenty seven, Colin.
One thing we haven't talked about with the Jets. They
had a chance on Sam Darnold. It did not work out.
He also flamed out in other teams. They had a
shot with Zach Wilson didn't work out in an NFL quarterback.
They now have five first round picks over the next
two years.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
But you know this, and I know this. If your
coach stinks, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 6 (13:08):
Yes, but they have bites at the apple. That's what
matters to me. They have five chances. The GM, I
think has done really well today. I know people are like, hey,
Garret Wilson, who's he got Bryce Hall Is?
Speaker 8 (13:19):
How sad are these guys?
Speaker 3 (13:20):
Know what they're going to do.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
The Jets are going to rebuild the defense on the cheap.
They're going to get a quarterback and rebuild a defense
with all these first and second round picks. That's what
they do. And then they're going to go buy offense
because they're not paying the quarterback. They have their tackles
in place. No, no, no, but go go buy a
better tight end. They'll go buy. I would go get
a Pro Bowl. I would go get a Pro Bowl
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center like the Bears did. Drew Dolman. Go get you
got Mendoza or Dante More get a Pro Bowl center.
Look at the first thing Ben Johnson did. What did
he do?
Speaker 3 (13:53):
Guard?
Speaker 4 (13:54):
Center, guard acquisition, cleaned up the interior line? Sean Payton,
first thing it did in Denver line. Jim Harbaugh. First
thing he did drafted Joe Alt. All the smart coaches
in this league, get the quarterback and then protect him.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
Forget about all this stuff.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
And so the Jets get Mendoza, get a center, and
then just draft. Keep your defense in the NFL, nimble,
cheap and fast.
Speaker 8 (14:22):
So their center last year was Tipman.
Speaker 6 (14:24):
He had to move to guard because Abt went down again.
I'm just you, guys, get your shots in at the Jets. Now,
go ahead, take all the joke, make all the jokes
you want. I'm just telling you, the tackles are in place.
They got a top five running back, a top five receiver.
They just need the quarterback and they now have a
lot of bites at the apple to make it happen.
It's a great day to be a Jets fan. All right,
Let's move to the other team in New York column,
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the New York Giants. Brian Dable has kind of been
on the hot seat, but maybe Jackson Dart could save him.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (14:52):
According to one NFL reporter, they're claiming New York is
thinking about a reunion now Lane kiffen and Jackson Dart
in New York. Obviously, Lane Kiffin has flopped out of
the NFL, but he's rebounded.
Speaker 4 (15:07):
That's what I would That's what the Jets should do.
I think day Bole's fine. First of all, why is
Lane Kiffin leaving. He's the king in Ole miss gets
whatever he wants, does whatever he wants, players, money, private jets, everything,
the NFL with the Giant, it's the NFL. There's thirty
two NFL job. There's an argument, and.
Speaker 6 (15:26):
That ain't a good one, though you want the good ones.
Jim Harvell went to the Charger.
Speaker 4 (15:30):
I go to the Giant and I get Abdull Carter,
I get that those edge rushers. I have my left tackle.
I got neighbors Scataboo, Jackson Dart. I take that job
in a second over an SEC job.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
In one second. I would take a Giant's job.
Speaker 6 (15:43):
The problem is in college football, the money is getting
so big for these coaches.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
I don't have any portal in the NFL.
Speaker 6 (15:49):
What if you like the portal like Lane Kiffin, you
could get awesome players.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
Do you like dealing with an athletic director in the NCAA?
And I think Lane Kiffin is more powerful than the
I'm telling you right now New York Giants. You go
in the next year, Neighbors Scataboo, Jackson Dart, Andrew Thomas
and Rush Ends.
Speaker 8 (16:07):
It smells like.
Speaker 6 (16:07):
Five wins to me. You got the Eagles to deal with.
Jayden Daniels will be back. Oh Ja Dallas is loading
up that Giants job. By the way, Bears, it is
one of the two bets I have so far this week.
I like the Bears.
Speaker 8 (16:20):
You see three and a half on the speed against.
Speaker 6 (16:23):
New York can't stop the run back into their defense
is hurt swift.
Speaker 8 (16:27):
I don't know if it matters.
Speaker 6 (16:28):
I like Manungady or however you say his last name
Kyle something or my fantasy team.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
How can you be on your fantasy team and you
can't pronounce his name?
Speaker 8 (16:36):
I'm in first place. I'm sorry, I don't care about lessons.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
Sorry.
Speaker 6 (16:39):
Finally, NBA story, Colin, this is spicy here, this Jamran situation.
We haven't really talked about it, but the young man's
kind of sort of imploding right now.
Speaker 8 (16:49):
Obviously, he was.
Speaker 6 (16:49):
Suspended after the Lakers game for some comments he made
about the coaching staff and being unhappy, so they suspended him.
So they bring it back. Last night he was putrid
shooting the ball at eighteen points, but it doesn't matter.
He was shooting tour dates out there. Listen to what
happened afterward, Colin. It gets even worse.
Speaker 5 (17:08):
We're doing the country staff able to talk about half
on Friday and smog on.
Speaker 7 (17:13):
I's that questioning them, Huh what about Yeah?
Speaker 2 (17:17):
I know the answer to that. Do you feel like
everything's been resolved?
Speaker 6 (17:23):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (17:24):
They told you I not right tell well, yeah, but
from you. Obviously they can't go and tell y'all something.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
Mind you see listen, another domestic basketball player that isn't
mature enough to embrace the chance of stardom. That's what
it is, Zion Jaw Moran. That's on him. The gun
charges hit it. These international guys come over and they're
twenty four going on forty.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
They're grown ups. They're mature.
Speaker 4 (17:51):
They care about basketball and their teammates and their culture.
Jaw Moran's issues are Jaw Moran. I for the record,
I said it when he came in small, skinny guys
that can't shoot. These point guards that can't shoot that
everybody falls in love with Derek Rose, John Wall. They're
tremendously fun to watch. They don't win titles if you can't.
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The only skinny, spindily small guys that work Steve Nash
and Steph Curry.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
They can shoot threes.
Speaker 4 (18:22):
So they don't have to go into the Redwoods and
get banged up and knocked out.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
Jah Morant can't shoot.
Speaker 4 (18:27):
His shooting's gutting has become is regressive fifteen percent. No, No,
it's gotten worse the last three years. So the people
falling in love Derek Rose Lebron shut him down. Lebron's
a Ford, He's like, y'all guard him. Take the bigger,
stronger athletes. Do not buy into spind the league guards
that can't shoot, they'll get hurt. This is a big
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man's game. NBA guys, are you know there there are
so many two hundred and forty pound dudes in that league.
You can't be a buck eighty dripping wet.
Speaker 8 (18:57):
So it's interesting you say all that stuff.
Speaker 6 (18:59):
I'm looking Obviously, Kyler Murray has not had this many
off field issues.
Speaker 8 (19:03):
But he had the whole playbook thing, didn't want to work.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
Yeah, but that his wasn't criminal, wasn't no.
Speaker 6 (19:08):
Yes, correct, he did not have the criminals stuff. But
there is some petulance and some answers we've heard from
Kyler Murray.
Speaker 8 (19:13):
Ja Morants is really ugly.
Speaker 6 (19:15):
I don't know if Kyler Murray has a market, and
I'll be honest, I don't know what team's taken on
John Morant. I got Miami heat fans, Oh, we'll take him.
He each culture all.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
This I just shooting was bad when he came into
the league. It's gotten worse. I mean last time I
watched Jahn Morant, I mean he I think it's five
straight years. It's regressed. He can't shoot. And again people
fall in love with these small You know, there's the guards.
I like, play defense. D Wade played defense, you know,
(19:47):
I'm and not all of them do. Nash and Curry
aren't great defenders. But it's the kid in San Antonio
from Yukon Stefan Castle, that dude DS you up. That
guy I will take. I'll build my franchise around him
and Wemby. But these skinny guys who shoot don't really
want to defend. They're not culture guys. I mean, the
NBA has had a bad month. Just a Hawks executive
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just got in trouble for swindling the league. You got
Terry Porter and Chauncey Billups. It's very much a me
league in the NFL is a whe Terry Rozier, The
NFL is a wee league. The NBA is a me league.
And all of a sudden, we have another player pouting.
I don't want to hear it. I mean, the Dodgers
(20:31):
they're unity, they're all superstars, great unity.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
NBA guy, I don't get my way. I'm out.
Speaker 6 (20:36):
He's complaining about the rotation patterns. They had a new coach.
It's ugly, by the way, Zion, so tell me they
traded Breese Hall.
Speaker 4 (20:46):
The Jets are asking for a third round pick for
running back Breze Hall.
Speaker 8 (20:50):
We're not doing that.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
I wouldn't give up a third.
Speaker 8 (20:52):
Round No hell, oh stop it in a heartbeat.
Speaker 6 (20:55):
No way, it's running sounds would it's somebody a super
Bowl right now?
Speaker 8 (20:58):
He's that good.
Speaker 6 (21:00):
It's a running league. We talked about this yesterday. Hey,
By the way, chiefs for shopping. They pacheco out. They
can't run the football. Did you see the Bills? I
saw I saw a video on the Bills played six defensive.
Speaker 8 (21:11):
Backs for like ninety.
Speaker 6 (21:12):
Percent of the game because they don't respect.
Speaker 8 (21:13):
The run game of the Chiefs.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
Case.
Speaker 4 (21:16):
If I if I'm Brett Veach, I go get him.
I'll give you a fourth. Hell no, get out of town.
Enjoy the wild card loss.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
RTT.
Speaker 4 (21:23):
I'm not sure if you guys can be all miss
this weekend?
Speaker 3 (21:27):
Who the Jets?
Speaker 8 (21:28):
They're playing the Browns.
Speaker 6 (21:29):
By the way, the Jets were favored by two and
a half.
Speaker 8 (21:31):
They're now underdogs at opis Around.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
And Dylan Gabriel.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
Nothing like trading away all your good players.
Speaker 6 (21:38):
Great, make a loss, get that number one pick Mendoza.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
That's my guy. J Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
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Speaker 4 (21:47):
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Speaker 4 (22:17):
Okay, So the Jets traded sauce Gardener for the Colts
for two first rounders and a player. It's interesting. Two
years ago Jay Mack and I listen closely, we're discussing.
J Mack was theorizing on trading sauce Gardener as a
Jets fan.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
This is what I said.
Speaker 6 (22:39):
Watch but if you can, all of a sudden, get
a get get a get a one and a four,
A one and a five.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
For sauce gardon. I don't know a tive a one
time bag in groceries tomorrow. That's nothing.
Speaker 5 (22:51):
I stop.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
I need two ones and a player for sauce Gardener.
Speaker 6 (22:56):
Hmmm.
Speaker 4 (22:57):
Interesting, that's exactly what happened today. No struck Colin AnyWho. Yeah,
two years ago, Breece Hall, Jermaine Johnson. They have offers
for both. Oh so right now the discount store known
as the New York Jets has traded Sauce.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
Gardner Quinn Williams.
Speaker 4 (23:22):
They have Zach a writer for The Athletic who covers
the Jets. Jermaine Johnson, who's been med is on the market.
Johnson was hurt all year, and then Brece Hall. I
think my take is the Chiefs are looking at Breese Hall.
Speaker 6 (23:37):
Yeah, and the forty nine ers one Johnson saw. Robert
Solad knows him from his time. Jets are not trading
will McDonald, the young kid out of Iowa State. Johnson's
good player, man, he was a top I think top
twenty five Florida State.
Speaker 8 (23:48):
An, yeah, he could. I just don't want to give
up Brees Saw Collins. They're going to have a rookie quarterback.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
No, I agree.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
Watching Kim Ward right now, struggle watch. What the Jets
are doing is act. I'll give him credit for this.
They're moving off defensive players. You want your defense to
be cheap, so you're gonna have to pay. You're paying
Quentin Williams, You're paying Sauce Gardner, You're gonna have to
pay Jermaine Johnson. They're getting those guys out. That's what
you should do. Don't pay your defensive guys. I've talked
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to a half a dozen nflgms. Pay one great defensive
lineman a Max Crosby. A Chris Jones, go pay one
Jared Verse. The Rams are already getting ready in two
years to pay Jared Verse through a Brinks truck. They
get it, you pay. Quinn Williams is a hard guy
to move off of. It is, but I think what
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they're saying is, let's go draft Mendoz or Dante More,
will buy an offense of veterans around him that are proven,
that can support him, and will just draft defense.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
And I think that's the right play.
Speaker 4 (24:49):
I don't like their current coach, but what the Jets
are doing and the Cowboys today, So the Cowboys. Everybody's
banging on the Cowboys, the Mica trade, the Dallas Cowboys.
We all have two number ones next year and they
don't need a quarterback. And now they have Quinn Williams
and Kenny Clark and that's less than the Packers are
paying Micah. Yeah, but they gave Land ninety two million dollars.
Speaker 6 (25:12):
He's getting cooked on national TV TuS.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
I know, but I think he's a good player.
Speaker 6 (25:16):
He please, he's it's Trayvon Diggs can't even stay on
the field. So, like, I get it, you want to
load of Jerry Jones has no idea what he's doing.
None Colin moving off miket to bring in two defensive tackles.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
We got to stop the run.
Speaker 4 (25:28):
Every every every GM I talked to says there are
certain body types six seven, three point thirteen left tackle.
There's like one great one a year, maybe two. The
planet delivers. There's an old general manager for the New
York Giants named George Young, and he had.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
A planet theory.
Speaker 4 (25:46):
The planet gives you certain body types. Infrequently left tackles
the top twenty five ever, like twenty three or first rounders.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
You can get receivers anywhere.
Speaker 4 (25:56):
You can get edge rushers anywhere, tight ends anywhere, even
quarterbacks the best ever.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
Brady's a sixth rounder.
Speaker 4 (26:01):
Hard to find undrafted seventh round left tackles who dominate
the league. So I think the Jets and the Cowboys
what they did I'm gonna defend. I think there's an
argument the Colts gave up too much. It should have
been a now by the way, I said two years ago,
I thought Sauce Gardner was worth two ones in a
player I did. He has regressed, but I think a
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lot of that is he was great with Robert Sala
and he'll be great with the Colts coordinate. We know
coaching matters beyond head coach. We know the role great
coordinators playing this league.
Speaker 8 (26:35):
Part of the reason I said it one and a
four for Sauce.
Speaker 6 (26:38):
Was that was before they paid him, because you would
have to pay him.
Speaker 8 (26:40):
You're not giving up two ones. Now he's got his
deal and you give up the ones. I think the
Jets stole majorly from the Colts coup
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 3 (00:25):
If you're a Cowboy fan.
Speaker 4 (00:27):
Everybody banged on the Cowboys for the Micah Parsons trade,
and that was the one thing I defended it. It
gave them flexibility. Just think about this this morning. After
the trade they just did. The Cowboys in return for
Micah Parsons got an additional first round pick next year.
Still have two first round picks, Kenny Clark and now
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Quinn Williams. That's six Pro Bowls and less than you're
paying for Mikeah Parsons. I said the Micah Parsons deal.
Do not buy into its devastating. It gives the Cowboys flexibility.
So Green Bay got Micah Dallas got an additional first
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round pick for this year, so they have two firsts
and they don't need a quarterback.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
That is huge leverage.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
They now have Quinn Williams, the best rush interior defender
in the league. Kenny Clark another great guy against the run,
and they're paying less than they were for Micah. And
if you ask general managers in the NFL, if you
had a choice between a dominant interior guy or an
edge rusher, you'd take the dominant interior guy. So now
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the Cowboys have two of them, Quinn Williams and Kenny Clark.
Because the interior defensive line position is a rare body type.
When you can get a guy that's six one and
a half three point thirty and has good feet, God
doesn't make a lot of those.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
There's a lot of good edge rushers.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
There's not many Chris Jones and Aaron Donald's and Reggie
Whites on the planet. Ever, with that, Julian Edelman Sundays
on Fox NFL Kickoff, All right, trade deadline is interesting,
so and let's revisit this. So a team like the
Colts get Sauce Gardener, Sace go Jalen Ramsey can be
(02:16):
a little moody. Things go south. He goes south. But
in the next six weeks, next five weeks, they faced
Drake London, Nico Collins. You know, they're facing all these
number one wide receivers. How do you think Sauce Gardener
hopefully solving a Colt's weakness. What does that new to
the chemistry in the room in Indy.
Speaker 5 (02:39):
I think the corner positions the one position you can
bring in and just say, hey, you're gonna guard this guy,
and I think it's gonna benefit them.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (02:47):
Sauce coming from the environment he was in in New York,
probably very unmotivated. Yeah, he's rich, he's got money, but
it's tough to lose weekend and week out year after year.
And that's what he's experience his whole career. And we've
seen flashes of really good corner. Now you put him
on a team that's vying for, you know, pretty much
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a number one seed, a playoff spot, I bet you
his attitude changes completely. It reminds me when we brought
in a key to lead from Tampa Bay, I think
it was in twenty eleven or twelve, Yeah, and instantly
made an impact on our team. And if he didn't
get hurt in thirteen, I think the year that we
brought him in, we probably would have beat the Broncos
(03:31):
in that AFC Championship, Like, that's how big of an
impact he had on our team. And I think corners,
you know, a really good corner. All you got to
say is hey, buddy, cover three or it's cover one,
You cover him, and I think he's gonna have a
great impact.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
On that team.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
Yeah, the Cowboys when they made the Mica move, my
take was always Jerry's a deal maker and he's been
trapped for two years.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
He has no flexibility.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
Quinn Williams, Kenny Clark, and they still have two number ones.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
That feels like, I mean, it's it, you know, this
jewels to.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
Get too elite interior defensive linemen huge, that's I mean
that we wouldn't have been the New England Patriots if
it wasn't for Seymour or will Fork.
Speaker 5 (04:15):
That's right, we had there, and there's a bunch of
other guys branch And and there's a bunch of guys.
But the interior part, if you've got a guy that
can take away two gaps, that's tough on the run game.
And once you start to make a team one dimensional
and they can't run the football, then you can dial
up better you know, coverage for your secondary and you
can get more creatives. So I think, you know, Jerry Jones,
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he's been in this league for a long time and
he's put out a competitive product pretty much, you know,
as long as I've been around. Yeah, they haven't won
a super Bowl, but like you said, he's got a
lot of flexibility.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Now they got some first rounders.
Speaker 5 (04:55):
Quinn Williams is going to be in that same category
as Sace Gardner where he's probably gonna up his game
now that he's a cowboy and he's got a quarterback
like Dakins, got an offense that can score like their
play's gonna raise.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
So I think that's a win win for them.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
So Sam Darnald and the Seahawks gave up a couple
of midpicks for Rashid Shaheed, meaning they can move JSN.
At Ohio State, he mostly played slot because they had
good sideline receivers, So now they can move JSN mostly
to the slot where he's you know, I mean, the
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kid's unbelievable. So your takeaway, how long does it take
for a Donald and Rashid to like connect? He is
an over the top threat sideline guy, no doubt about it.
Speaker 5 (05:46):
When you've got a guy that can stretch the field.
The happiest guy in that locker, he's got to be JSN.
I mean, anytime you got another because all the coverage
right now is going to JSN, right, you know. And
once you have a guy that can blow the top off,
it's gonna take one big throw from Sam Darnold to
Rashid Shiheed over the top and then all of a sudden,
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that intermediate pass game with a bunch of their tight
ends that they have and Smith and Jigba is gonna
eat all day. I mean, that's the number one thing
you want. And now that you have Smith and Jigba,
who could you could put him everywhere? So you could
have a guy like he's kind of like the Rashi
Rice piece over at the Chiefs. And then you got
Xavier Worthy who's stretching everything.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
And that's gonna be Rashid Shiheed.
Speaker 5 (06:34):
So as a guy that ate a lot in the slot,
anytime you had a guy outside that had speed, Once
you got one pass on the defense, it changes how
defenses play you completely.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
Yeah, you know, people are banging on the Colts for
giving up two first round picks one next year, one after.
It should be noted that thirty percent of the first
round picks bust. I mean, it's hard to get guys
right in this league. And even if you do get
them right, they very rarely hit early. Generally it takes
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a defensive lineman or a left tackle, it takes him
a year in this league. The Colts going for it, though,
is telling me Daniel Jones is our guy. Now that's
much easier for me to embrace in Seattle with Darnald
Donald right now, Analytically, the metrics says the best quarterback
in the league. Donald looks like a number one. The
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Colts are telling you with this move, we don't need
a quarterback. We think Daniel is it watching the Colts?
Do you buy that?
Speaker 2 (07:38):
I do buy that right now.
Speaker 5 (07:40):
I mean the Colts for the last few years have
been a quarterback way. Joe Flacco had him pretty competitive
a couple of years back.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Then they bring in Jacoby Brissett, and.
Speaker 5 (07:50):
You know, Daniel Jones had that little stint over in Minnesota,
got to learn see how this West Coast operation goes.
And then Shane Stiken has that kind of same system
and that confidence is showing on the screen each week
with Daniel Jones, and I remember going and seeing him
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in New York and it was just a walk through
type practice.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
And you watch Daniel Jones.
Speaker 5 (08:17):
First off, he's a big guy, and you watch him
throw the ball and the ball comes off his hand
and it's sexy and he looks like a quarterback and
it just you know, and it never just it never
worked out for him for whatever reason. I mean, the
pieces around him. And so once you see him in
your system doing well like Shane Sike is doing, you
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have I mean, that's gonna be your guy. And he's
got some experience and he's still a young guy, and
so you know, I think the sauce trade tells you
that they're all in for this year. And rightfully so
they're playing really good football in the AFC is kind
of all over the place right now.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
Yeah, So you Bill's Chiefs have played ten times, they've
split it a five. I looked at that lost by
Kansas City. In my take was they trailed by a
touchdown and had the ball late, and they got worked.
They got worked in the red zone, they got work
time of possession, they got Mahomes got hit fifteen times.
(09:16):
Did you ever have a rival that beat you in
the regular season? But in a weird way. You came
out of the game flying home, thinking, listen, they exhausted,
they threw everything they had.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
Us we're the better team.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Probably one of those Denver or Baltimore teams may.
Speaker 5 (09:37):
Have beat us, and then we always saw them a
lot in the playoffs. And with this game shows me,
you know in week nine or week eight, is that
the Kansas City or the Buffalo Bills are just further
ahead than the Kansas City Chiefs right now because when
they play next, if they played next, they're going to
be completely different teams because of the season, because of
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you know, a couple of players stepping up and create
a name from themselves in these next three four weeks injuries.
So I just take from this game. Look, Buffalo, last
time playing the Chiefs in Old Orchard, you know, on
a two game skid, they needed this win. They're not
afraid of playing Kansas City, and they just were on
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their game and they rushed the ball very well with Cooks,
and you know, look at the Chiefs. They couldn't get
anything going on the offense side of the ball, and
Patrick Mahomes had his worst game of the year. So
this is gonna happen but by no means do I
think that this affects the Chiefs the next time they play,
because there'll be a completely different team when they play games.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
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NFL Kickoff. It's Julian Edelman on a trade deadline Tuesday.
Great stuff, Jill's appreciate it, no problem, Good to see
it get better.
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Thank you.
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Speaker 4 (11:34):
Yeah, it's I think it's a really interesting point with
soft Gardener to the Colts, when you have a great corner,
just go, just go. Take out Drake London. You just
go guard Drake London, you go guard Nico Collins. I
think the Colts think it's go time. I think the
Jags beat the Raiders. It gets a little tight. C. J.
Stroud's gonna play. I think Chris Ballard wants to win
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the division now. I would rather go a first a third,
you know. And then Mitchell that there is a sense
on the internet the Colts gave up way too much.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
I think Dallas did well. Jmack with the news, turn
on the news.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
This is the herd line news.
Speaker 8 (12:19):
All right, let's do a little more. Trade deadline.
Speaker 6 (12:21):
So obviously the moves of are coming here fast and furious.
Sauce Gardner shipped, obviously to the Colts. Quinn Williams traded
to the Cowboys. Some more details on that. Quinn Williams
pick according to Adam Schefter, and he had rappaport, So
that twenty twenty seven, first that the Jets get, it'll
be the hire of either Dallas's or Green Bays pick
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one of those teams flops, Jordan love goes down. Whatever,
it's a really really high pick. In twenty seven, Colin.
One thing we haven't talked about with the Jets. They
had a chance on Sam Darnold. It did not work out.
He also flamed out in other teams. They had a
shot with Zach Wilson didn't work out in an NFL quarterback.
They now have five first round picks over the next
two years.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
But you know this, and I know this. If your
coach stinks, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 6 (13:08):
Yes, but they have bites at the apple. That's what
matters to me. They have five chances. The GM, I
think has done really well today. I know people are like, hey,
Garret Wilson, who's he got Bryce Hall Is?
Speaker 8 (13:19):
How sad are these guys?
Speaker 3 (13:20):
Know what they're going to do.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
The Jets are going to rebuild the defense on the cheap.
They're going to get a quarterback and rebuild a defense
with all these first and second round picks. That's what
they do. And then they're going to go buy offense
because they're not paying the quarterback. They have their tackles
in place. No, no, no, but go go buy a
better tight end. They'll go buy. I would go get
a Pro Bowl. I would go get a Pro Bowl
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center like the Bears did. Drew Dolman. Go get you
got Mendoza or Dante More get a Pro Bowl center.
Look at the first thing Ben Johnson did. What did
he do?
Speaker 3 (13:53):
Guard?
Speaker 4 (13:54):
Center, guard acquisition, cleaned up the interior line? Sean Payton,
first thing it did in Denver line. Jim Harbaugh. First
thing he did drafted Joe Alt. All the smart coaches
in this league, get the quarterback and then protect him.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
Forget about all this stuff.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
And so the Jets get Mendoza, get a center, and
then just draft. Keep your defense in the NFL, nimble,
cheap and fast.
Speaker 8 (14:22):
So their center last year was Tipman.
Speaker 6 (14:24):
He had to move to guard because Abt went down again.
I'm just you, guys, get your shots in at the Jets. Now,
go ahead, take all the joke, make all the jokes
you want. I'm just telling you, the tackles are in place.
They got a top five running back, a top five receiver.
They just need the quarterback and they now have a
lot of bites at the apple to make it happen.
It's a great day to be a Jets fan. All right,
Let's move to the other team in New York column,
(14:45):
the New York Giants. Brian Dable has kind of been
on the hot seat, but maybe Jackson Dart could save him.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (14:52):
According to one NFL reporter, they're claiming New York is
thinking about a reunion now Lane kiffen and Jackson Dart
in New York. Obviously, Lane Kiffin has flopped out of
the NFL, but he's rebounded.
Speaker 4 (15:07):
That's what I would That's what the Jets should do.
I think day Bole's fine. First of all, why is
Lane Kiffin leaving. He's the king in Ole miss gets
whatever he wants, does whatever he wants, players, money, private jets, everything,
the NFL with the Giant, it's the NFL. There's thirty
two NFL job. There's an argument, and.
Speaker 6 (15:26):
That ain't a good one, though you want the good ones.
Jim Harvell went to the Charger.
Speaker 4 (15:30):
I go to the Giant and I get Abdull Carter,
I get that those edge rushers. I have my left tackle.
I got neighbors Scataboo, Jackson Dart. I take that job
in a second over an SEC job.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
In one second. I would take a Giant's job.
Speaker 6 (15:43):
The problem is in college football, the money is getting
so big for these coaches.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
I don't have any portal in the NFL.
Speaker 6 (15:49):
What if you like the portal like Lane Kiffin, you
could get awesome players.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
Do you like dealing with an athletic director in the NCAA?
And I think Lane Kiffin is more powerful than the
I'm telling you right now New York Giants. You go
in the next year, Neighbors Scataboo, Jackson Dart, Andrew Thomas
and Rush Ends.
Speaker 8 (16:07):
It smells like.
Speaker 6 (16:07):
Five wins to me. You got the Eagles to deal with.
Jayden Daniels will be back. Oh Ja Dallas is loading
up that Giants job. By the way, Bears, it is
one of the two bets I have so far this week.
I like the Bears.
Speaker 8 (16:20):
You see three and a half on the speed against.
Speaker 6 (16:23):
New York can't stop the run back into their defense
is hurt swift.
Speaker 8 (16:27):
I don't know if it matters.
Speaker 6 (16:28):
I like Manungady or however you say his last name
Kyle something or my fantasy team.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
How can you be on your fantasy team and you
can't pronounce his name?
Speaker 8 (16:36):
I'm in first place. I'm sorry, I don't care about lessons.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
Sorry.
Speaker 6 (16:39):
Finally, NBA story, Colin, this is spicy here, this Jamran situation.
We haven't really talked about it, but the young man's
kind of sort of imploding right now.
Speaker 8 (16:49):
Obviously, he was.
Speaker 6 (16:49):
Suspended after the Lakers game for some comments he made
about the coaching staff and being unhappy, so they suspended him.
So they bring it back. Last night he was putrid
shooting the ball at eighteen points, but it doesn't matter.
He was shooting tour dates out there. Listen to what
happened afterward, Colin. It gets even worse.
Speaker 5 (17:08):
We're doing the country staff able to talk about half
on Friday and smog on.
Speaker 7 (17:13):
I's that questioning them, Huh what about Yeah?
Speaker 2 (17:17):
I know the answer to that. Do you feel like
everything's been resolved?
Speaker 6 (17:23):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (17:24):
They told you I not right tell well, yeah, but
from you. Obviously they can't go and tell y'all something.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
Mind you see listen, another domestic basketball player that isn't
mature enough to embrace the chance of stardom. That's what
it is, Zion Jaw Moran. That's on him. The gun
charges hit it. These international guys come over and they're
twenty four going on forty.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
They're grown ups. They're mature.
Speaker 4 (17:51):
They care about basketball and their teammates and their culture.
Jaw Moran's issues are Jaw Moran. I for the record,
I said it when he came in small, skinny guys
that can't shoot. These point guards that can't shoot that
everybody falls in love with Derek Rose, John Wall. They're
tremendously fun to watch. They don't win titles if you can't.
(18:16):
The only skinny, spindily small guys that work Steve Nash
and Steph Curry.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
They can shoot threes.
Speaker 4 (18:22):
So they don't have to go into the Redwoods and
get banged up and knocked out.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
Jah Morant can't shoot.
Speaker 4 (18:27):
His shooting's gutting has become is regressive fifteen percent. No, No,
it's gotten worse the last three years. So the people
falling in love Derek Rose Lebron shut him down. Lebron's
a Ford, He's like, y'all guard him. Take the bigger,
stronger athletes. Do not buy into spind the league guards
that can't shoot, they'll get hurt. This is a big
(18:49):
man's game. NBA guys, are you know there there are
so many two hundred and forty pound dudes in that league.
You can't be a buck eighty dripping wet.
Speaker 8 (18:57):
So it's interesting you say all that stuff.
Speaker 6 (18:59):
I'm looking Obviously, Kyler Murray has not had this many
off field issues.
Speaker 8 (19:03):
But he had the whole playbook thing, didn't want to work.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
Yeah, but that his wasn't criminal, wasn't no.
Speaker 6 (19:08):
Yes, correct, he did not have the criminals stuff. But
there is some petulance and some answers we've heard from
Kyler Murray.
Speaker 8 (19:13):
Ja Morants is really ugly.
Speaker 6 (19:15):
I don't know if Kyler Murray has a market, and
I'll be honest, I don't know what team's taken on
John Morant. I got Miami heat fans, Oh, we'll take him.
He each culture all.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
This I just shooting was bad when he came into
the league. It's gotten worse. I mean last time I
watched Jahn Morant, I mean he I think it's five
straight years. It's regressed. He can't shoot. And again people
fall in love with these small You know, there's the guards.
I like, play defense. D Wade played defense, you know,
(19:47):
I'm and not all of them do. Nash and Curry
aren't great defenders. But it's the kid in San Antonio
from Yukon Stefan Castle, that dude DS you up. That
guy I will take. I'll build my franchise around him
and Wemby. But these skinny guys who shoot don't really
want to defend. They're not culture guys. I mean, the
NBA has had a bad month. Just a Hawks executive
(20:11):
just got in trouble for swindling the league. You got
Terry Porter and Chauncey Billups. It's very much a me
league in the NFL is a whe Terry Rozier, The
NFL is a wee league. The NBA is a me league.
And all of a sudden, we have another player pouting.
I don't want to hear it. I mean, the Dodgers
(20:31):
they're unity, they're all superstars, great unity.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
NBA guy, I don't get my way. I'm out.
Speaker 6 (20:36):
He's complaining about the rotation patterns. They had a new coach.
It's ugly, by the way, Zion, so tell me they
traded Breese Hall.
Speaker 4 (20:46):
The Jets are asking for a third round pick for
running back Breze Hall.
Speaker 8 (20:50):
We're not doing that.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
I wouldn't give up a third.
Speaker 8 (20:52):
Round No hell, oh stop it in a heartbeat.
Speaker 6 (20:55):
No way, it's running sounds would it's somebody a super
Bowl right now?
Speaker 8 (20:58):
He's that good.
Speaker 6 (21:00):
It's a running league. We talked about this yesterday. Hey,
By the way, chiefs for shopping. They pacheco out. They
can't run the football. Did you see the Bills? I
saw I saw a video on the Bills played six defensive.
Speaker 8 (21:11):
Backs for like ninety.
Speaker 6 (21:12):
Percent of the game because they don't respect.
Speaker 8 (21:13):
The run game of the Chiefs.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
Case.
Speaker 4 (21:16):
If I if I'm Brett Veach, I go get him.
I'll give you a fourth. Hell no, get out of town.
Enjoy the wild card loss.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
RTT.
Speaker 4 (21:23):
I'm not sure if you guys can be all miss
this weekend?
Speaker 3 (21:27):
Who the Jets?
Speaker 8 (21:28):
They're playing the Browns.
Speaker 6 (21:29):
By the way, the Jets were favored by two and
a half.
Speaker 8 (21:31):
They're now underdogs at opis Around.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
And Dylan Gabriel.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
Nothing like trading away all your good players.
Speaker 6 (21:38):
Great, make a loss, get that number one pick Mendoza.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
That's my guy. J Mack with the news.
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Speaker 8 (22:16):
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Speaker 4 (22:17):
Okay, So the Jets traded sauce Gardener for the Colts
for two first rounders and a player. It's interesting. Two
years ago Jay Mack and I listen closely, we're discussing.
J Mack was theorizing on trading sauce Gardener as a
Jets fan.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
This is what I said.
Speaker 6 (22:39):
Watch but if you can, all of a sudden, get
a get get a get a one and a four,
A one and a five.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
For sauce gardon. I don't know a tive a one
time bag in groceries tomorrow. That's nothing.
Speaker 5 (22:51):
I stop.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
I need two ones and a player for sauce Gardener.
Speaker 6 (22:56):
Hmmm.
Speaker 4 (22:57):
Interesting, that's exactly what happened today. No struck Colin AnyWho. Yeah,
two years ago, Breece Hall, Jermaine Johnson. They have offers
for both. Oh so right now the discount store known
as the New York Jets has traded Sauce.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
Gardner Quinn Williams.
Speaker 4 (23:22):
They have Zach a writer for The Athletic who covers
the Jets. Jermaine Johnson, who's been med is on the market.
Johnson was hurt all year, and then Brece Hall. I
think my take is the Chiefs are looking at Breese Hall.
Speaker 6 (23:37):
Yeah, and the forty nine ers one Johnson saw. Robert
Solad knows him from his time. Jets are not trading
will McDonald, the young kid out of Iowa State. Johnson's
good player, man, he was a top I think top
twenty five Florida State.
Speaker 8 (23:48):
An, yeah, he could. I just don't want to give
up Brees Saw Collins. They're going to have a rookie quarterback.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
No, I agree.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
Watching Kim Ward right now, struggle watch. What the Jets
are doing is act. I'll give him credit for this.
They're moving off defensive players. You want your defense to
be cheap, so you're gonna have to pay. You're paying
Quentin Williams, You're paying Sauce Gardner, You're gonna have to
pay Jermaine Johnson. They're getting those guys out. That's what
you should do. Don't pay your defensive guys. I've talked
(24:15):
to a half a dozen nflgms. Pay one great defensive
lineman a Max Crosby. A Chris Jones, go pay one
Jared Verse. The Rams are already getting ready in two
years to pay Jared Verse through a Brinks truck. They
get it, you pay. Quinn Williams is a hard guy
to move off of. It is, but I think what
(24:36):
they're saying is, let's go draft Mendoz or Dante More,
will buy an offense of veterans around him that are proven,
that can support him, and will just draft defense.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
And I think that's the right play.
Speaker 4 (24:49):
I don't like their current coach, but what the Jets
are doing and the Cowboys today, So the Cowboys. Everybody's
banging on the Cowboys, the Mica trade, the Dallas Cowboys.
We all have two number ones next year and they
don't need a quarterback. And now they have Quinn Williams
and Kenny Clark and that's less than the Packers are
paying Micah. Yeah, but they gave Land ninety two million dollars.
Speaker 6 (25:12):
He's getting cooked on national TV TuS.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
I know, but I think he's a good player.
Speaker 6 (25:16):
He please, he's it's Trayvon Diggs can't even stay on
the field. So, like, I get it, you want to
load of Jerry Jones has no idea what he's doing.
None Colin moving off miket to bring in two defensive tackles.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
We got to stop the run.
Speaker 4 (25:28):
Every every every GM I talked to says there are
certain body types six seven, three point thirteen left tackle.
There's like one great one a year, maybe two. The
planet delivers. There's an old general manager for the New
York Giants named George Young, and he had.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
A planet theory.
Speaker 4 (25:46):
The planet gives you certain body types. Infrequently left tackles
the top twenty five ever, like twenty three or first rounders.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
You can get receivers anywhere.
Speaker 4 (25:56):
You can get edge rushers anywhere, tight ends anywhere, even
quarterbacks the best ever.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
Brady's a sixth rounder.
Speaker 4 (26:01):
Hard to find undrafted seventh round left tackles who dominate
the league. So I think the Jets and the Cowboys
what they did I'm gonna defend. I think there's an
argument the Colts gave up too much. It should have
been a now by the way, I said two years ago,
I thought Sauce Gardner was worth two ones in a
player I did. He has regressed, but I think a
(26:24):
lot of that is he was great with Robert Sala
and he'll be great with the Colts coordinate. We know
coaching matters beyond head coach. We know the role great
coordinators playing this league.
Speaker 8 (26:35):
Part of the reason I said it one and a
four for Sauce.
Speaker 6 (26:38):
Was that was before they paid him, because you would
have to pay him.
Speaker 8 (26:40):
You're not giving up two ones. Now he's got his
deal and you give up the ones. I think the
Jets stole majorly from the Colts coup
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