November 12, 2025 • 29 mins
Colin talks to 3-time Super Bowl Champion Eric Mangini joins the show to reveal why Bill Belichick could be plotting an NFL comeback with the New York Giants, and what that would mean for the league’s coaching landscape
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He coached the Jets, He coached the Cleveland Browns. In fact,
he with the two thousand and six AFC coached the
year with the Jets. But things turn fast in New York.
Eric Mangini. First things first is joining us live. So
I suggested, I said, I think I would go get
Mike McCarthy. It's New York. I want coaching experience. He
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won with Cooper Rush, he won with Dak, He won
with Aaron that was called boring and uninspiring As an option,
Is Mike McCarthy sound boring and uninspiring? I don't know
if I'd want to go with another coordinator in New York.
Coughlin was a head coach at Boston College Jacksonville, New York.
He could handle New York. McCarthy's had Jerry Big Packers
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brand McCarthy feels like the right fit to me in
New York. Am I nuts, You're not nuts.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
You for an organization that that's had as many problems
as the Giants. To get an established head coach with
the experience and who's not going to go through that
learning curve is really attractive. But typically guys don't get
three head coaching shots. That's that's not the norm. To me,
this would have been if Bill had sat If Bill
Belichick had sat out a year another year and been available,
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I think this would have been a really interesting story
and it could have gone full circle. And I that's
not a great fit either because of his age and
some of the personnel issues he's had, but that that
at least is a compelling storyline, and you'd know he'd
get the defense fixed at a minimum.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Yeah, yeah, I don't love Belichick.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
I I yeah, I don't love North Carolina Belichick going there.
I think it's I think that that has kind of
allowed the ship to sail.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
What do you make the Giants keeping their GM, Joe Shane.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
I don't understand it at all, Colin, And and look,
I'm a little bit biased with Brian Dayball because I've
had a long relationship with him, and he's worked for me,
and I know what a good coach he is, and
he was Coach of the Year to start. But we
all saw on TV that they GM wanted to move
on from Saquon Barkley and he definitely wasn't going to
go in the division and he wasn't worth what anybody
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was going to pay him. And then he goes and
has almost an MVP type season and arguably could have
been the MVP if we didn't always name a quarterback.
And then they do that to keep Daniel Jones, and
then they move on from Daniel Jones. They eat all
of the dead money, and here we are a year
later and Daniel Jones is doing what he's what he's
doing with the Colts. So that's the guy making the
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ultimate personnel decisions. Those are two dramatic organizational shaping decisions
that not only affect you short term but long term
because of the dead money. And yet you have your
job and the coach is fired mid season. Doesn't seem
to make a lot of sense.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Yeah, the Okay, so I said this earlier. I said
with these young quarterbacks, two things are true. It's usually
not linear, it's bumpy, it's up, it's down at streaky.
Second thing who they get is they're opening coach matters,
especially like you're Sam Darnold twenty one. You didn't have
a great coach in college. You go to the NFL,
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it's Adam Gas. It's like, that's a lot. That's a lot.
So I said, here's the eleven quarterbacks twenty five and under.
If by the end of today business day, you have
to sign a three hundred million dollar you know, one
hundred and sixties guaranteed, I said, Drake May is my
absolute c J. Stroud and Caleb Williams probably my next two.
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But half of these I defended bon Nicks. I'm like,
he's durable, he never gets hurt, he's excellent Laighton games,
collegeen Pro, and he wins a bunch of games. I
know it's not pretty. But if I told you is
there are are there two guys you could write that
check for today of those.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
Eleven, yeah, I wouldn't be signing a check for Drake
May at this point. Drake May, to me, this year's
Jayden Daniels, and Jayden Daniels was last year's c J.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Stroud.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
That's all it was, and he's hot right now, and
everybody loves Drake May just like we love Jayden, just
like we love CJ. Well, you've got to be able
to see these guys do it consistently and continue to improve.
But look at the list of guys who've gotten big money,
love to a Herbert, Trevor Purdy, the forty nine ers
paying Purty over a quarter of a billion dollars. And
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now mac Jones goes out there and he's playing at
a really high level for three percent of what of
what party's making. So so you make these decisions that
then affect everything moving forward because those guys have to
be forced multipliers because you can't then go pay everybody else.
The quarterback just makes too much money. So to me,
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I still like Jayden Daniels a lot. He would probably
be my top guy on that list. And then after that,
it's it's a it's a craft shoot. It's who knows
whether these guys are going to continue to elevate or
whether we're going to see, you know, the spottering out.
You'd like to think CJ. Stroud is a franchise guy,
but there's been a lot of ups and downs that
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I didn't expect, you know, at this level to be.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Yeah, hey, we were talking about Green Bay. Is that
they're broken. They haven't scored on their opening drive since
Dallas Week four. So the scripted stuff's not good. The
running game's not good.
Speaker 5 (05:57):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Craft is a great tight end out for the year,
read a clever receiver. He's banged up, Golden didn't play.
Is it Lafleur, is it Love? Is it the injuries? Like,
how do you solve mid season a broken offense?
Speaker 4 (06:14):
The Tucker Craft injury was a really bad one. He
was looking like a pretty big safety blanket for Jordan Love.
And when you look at Jordan Love over the course
of his career, he's typically either red hot or mid.
He's in that sort of seventy to eighty quarterback rating range.
And that's been frustrating to see. They do a lot
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of good things. They're willing to run the ball, they're
number one and third down, they're pretty effective in the
red area. But yet we see what we saw the
last few games. Now, I do think we need to
grade the Eagles on a curve. This Eagles defense, to me,
has gotten better, and then they got reinforcements with Jalen Phillips.
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So that's a better defense than what they've been throughout
the course of the years. It's the it's the Cleveland
Browns loss, it's the Carolina Panthers loss, it's the Dallas
Cowboys tie. It's playing down your level of comp And
then for Jordan Love, there's another great situation where they
paid him a ton of money and you're expecting him
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to continue to elevate, but it's taken longer than I
think people expected because of how much he makes.
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I want to go back, and I said this. I
watched this Mendoza kid this weekend at Indiana, and that
to me, big big arm can move a little lots
of college starts. That's an NFL quarterback. That last drive
against Penn State on the road, I mean, Eric, it
was just boom, boom, boom, and I mean he had
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people in his face. Like that offensive line got pushed around.
They couldn't run the ball. It was like that drive
was that was a Sunday drive. Daunte More reportedly might stay.
A lot of these college kids now with nil they
might stay. And I said, well, I may go mac Jones.
I'd go Mendoza, mac Jones. But my broader point was
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that's what Indiana did. They said, we're not going to
draft another quarterback. We're going to get somebody in the league.
Daniel Jones. Seattle said we're not going to draft another quarterback.
We're going to get Sam Darnold. That's what Tampa said.
Jason Light the GM, let's go get Baker. So Mendoza
to me is a slam dunk. Mac Jones would be
my second pick. The rest of these guys aren't ready
to star. Let's talk Sam Darnald, who I would have
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never I mean, I stayed with him the whole time.
But I don't think he's just a reclamation project. I
think he looks like a top five quarterback. Now maybe
he's not. But you broke down some film this week,
what do you see all your years in the NFL,
what do you see with Donald?
Speaker 4 (09:24):
Yes, the Sam Donald elevation really started at the end
of Carolina. He's four and two at Carolina and then
he and he goes has a really outstanding season last year.
Now the end of the season that that hurt him,
and I think I think that's still the big question
mark with him. And now he moves to Seattle, and
what he's been so good at is the deep ball
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and passes over ten yards. He's first in completions, he's
first in yards, he's first in touchdowns, he's first in
quarterback rating. He's got all all those things going for him.
You know, he struggled a little bit in the second half,
and we're gonna have to see how how it goes
when he gets to the playoffs. But let me show
you a deep ball play that he had against the Cardinals,
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which is a really good look at what he can
do and why he's so effective. So this is actually
the first drive of the game, and they just literally
cross midfield a couple plays earlier. They're going to run
hard sell play action, and with the hard sell play action,
they're going to end up blocking eight. So they're going
to block the five offensive lineman, the two tight ends,
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and the running back is going to stay in as well.
And then Sam does a really good job on these
play action fakes. You can see him extend the arm
out here. He's selling it. And now Seattle's just going
to run a two man route. So they've got Shaheed
running the over and then Jackson Smith and Jigba.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
He's going to push.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
Vertically, then he's going to drive out to freeze the cornerback.
Then he's going to push up the field. But it's
simply a two man route. And then with the Cardinals,
they're actually very effective at stopping deep balls. They're bringing
pressure here and they actually get more pressers because so
many guys bite on the play accid and they've got
a three deep zone behind it, so they're in a
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great defense to stop the deep ball. Seattle rolls Donald
out to his left. He's a right handed quarterback. Typically
you throw this moving him to his dominant arm, not
a way from his dominan arm looking in Jigbak, he
pushes out. Now that freezes the cornerback, the cornerback who
is high on him, and you can see Donald's gonna
let this go even though in Jigba's not on top
of the cornerback right now, he's got the confidence that
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he's going to be. But here's what's so important. He's
outside the numbers. He's on top of the cornerback, but
he's outside the numbers because he's got to stay away
from this post safety who could potentially, if he's got
a good break and fairly rangey, get to the bottom
of the numbers or maybe a little bit wider. But
watch how Sam places this ball even further away from
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the post safety is coming over and drops it right
inside of in Jigba's arms. It's it's really impressive, not
only his placement but the fact that he did that
rolling to his left as a right handed quarterback. And
he can hit you at any point with these home
run balls that a lot of guys can't do.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Yeah, no, he is. There is no question. John Snyder,
the GM got a third round pick for Gino. He
got Sam basically for less money than Gino. They hit
it out of the park. And also Sam's in his prime.
Sam is still Sam came into the league, so I
think he's only twenty seven or twenty eight. When you
watch him play, you can see he's right in the
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middle of his prime. And he hasn't been banged up enough,
so the injuries linger.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
When I watch him play, I see an elite quarterback.
That's what I see.
Speaker 4 (12:38):
And he's given every former first round draft pick who
struggled hope because he went through Yeah, he went through everything.
He had multiple stops. And look, if he stay with
these guys that are extremely talented, everybody develops at different
rates and you may hit on Geno Smith did it,
and Sam's doing it. Baker, his second actor, has been impressive.
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So all these guys and everybody's labeling as a bust.
Who knows which one's gonna hit next?
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Good stuff. Eric Mangini, thanks coach.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
Great seeing a con All right.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
J Mack sitting around, He's ready to go with the news.
Turn on the news.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
This is the Herdline news.
Speaker 6 (13:21):
Well, technically I'm not sitting around listening, researching, and also
paying attention to AJ Brown collin more drama with the
Eagles wide receiver.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Are you ready for this?
Speaker 6 (13:31):
So I know you are up on Twitch and all
these videos. Well, AJ Brown is popping off everywhere. And
he was taking part in a Madden video game live
stream with one of these social media influencers who asked him, hey, man, how.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Are things going?
Speaker 6 (13:47):
AJ Brown said, it's a poop show, struggling brother, This
is like on a live stream to hundreds thousands. I
have no idea how many people watch this influencer. Brown
also said, if you've got me on Fantasy man, get
rid of me. This came on the heels of the
Monday night football game. Well, remember the Eagles called that
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bizarre play at the end of the game. Instead of punting,
they just threw a deep ball to AJ Brown. It
makes you wonder was that basically, Hey, Aj, just shut
the bleep up. We're gonna throw deep to you, and
if we fail.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
Who cares the package all the time. That's how I
viewed it.
Speaker 6 (14:23):
Yeah, it's just such a weird situation. Now here we go.
Zach Berman, who covers the Eagles, said Nick Sirianni is
getting bombarded with in here the last hour, AJ Brown questions,
here's Sirianni. He's starting to lose it, Colin, I'm close
to being done answering questions about this.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
He's working hard.
Speaker 6 (14:43):
He's a big part of this game plan, and he'll
be a big part of the game plan going forward.
He's working crazy when he's here. We have this out.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
I'm close to being done answering these questions with us, Like,
he's working hard, and he is a big part of
this game plan and there'll be a big part of
the game.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Plan going forward.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
And he's working like crazy when he's here, and I'm
excited to have him.
Speaker 6 (15:11):
He sure sounds like it, doesn't he. It's like when
somebody interviews you are are you excited to have j
McK and you're like, yeah, fired up?
Speaker 5 (15:19):
Was it?
Speaker 2 (15:19):
I keep defending I think it's gonna be okay.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
It's not. It's not okay. I mean you you seem.
Speaker 6 (15:27):
Like a crazy person trying to trade him in like
week two and everybody's like, coward's losing it.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
I got crushed forward. I'm like, guys, it's you're trying
to talk yourself into it. It is a bad fit.
He doesn't mean he's a bad guy. I like Aj Brown,
I like Stefon Diggs, but they're fit matters for wide receives.
Speaker 6 (15:43):
You can't win the Super Bowl obviously, sayque Bartlet was great,
go to another Super Bowl with him and call it
a bad fit.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
No no, no, no, no, no no no. That that's
that's false. Everybody's on their best behavior when you're winning.
And it's early, but relationships, marriages, businesses, you have to
view them broadly over the course of time. Aj Brown,
last year, they're winning, he's getting good looks. But now
Devonte Smith has developed. And now the run games not
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as good, and and and the offense is sputtering, and
he wants the ball more. And this this has developed
into a we've seen this te o wasn't a problem
with the Nighters initially. Stefan Diggs wasn't an issue with
Buffalo initially. Randy Moss was great in New England initially,
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but temperamental wide receivers they want the ball. They're on
an island. So it is it is developed into a
poor fit.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
It's so weird.
Speaker 6 (16:40):
If you look at the contenders, we're like, oh, I
don't know. Jordan Love could be a problem for the Packers.
Questions about the Lions play calling, You know, Dan Cable
taking over.
Speaker 5 (16:48):
There aren't any.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
Questions about specific.
Speaker 6 (16:50):
Position players on any of these contenders except AJ Brown.
I will say this guy. I think we agree. They're
going to need him to win the Super Bowl or
even get to it.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
Right.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
No, what's the path to the Super Bowl without AJ Brown?
Devonte Smith? Oh?
Speaker 6 (17:06):
Please come on, he's not even a number one receiver. Oh,
I mean Saquon Barkley barely can run the football. There's
no nowhere to go.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (17:15):
I mean they're probably gonna get a buye in the
first round and play the second round.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
I don't know that they're a lot.
Speaker 6 (17:21):
Colin, this is loaded NFC, rams, Seahawks.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
Hell, the Lions are not bad.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
I'm worried about AJ Brown. Clean it up, brother, all right?
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Next story, Colin is the New York Giants. Big news here.
Speaker 6 (17:32):
In the last ninety minutes, Mike Kafka has announced that
Jameis Winston It's going to be the starter against the
Green Bay Packers this weekend. Jackson dart in the concussion
protocol because he literally lives in the blue tent Jamis
bypassing Russell Wilson in the pecking order. Russell Wilson filled in.
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I think he filled in on her drive and then
had three drives to end the game against the Bears.
He had a total of like seven yards or something
like that in place.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
That's not great for Russ.
Speaker 6 (18:02):
I think do they cut him and let him go
be a backup somewhere else?
Speaker 1 (18:06):
I don't know, but it's on the next year. Let
me ask you, how many quarterbacks have played their way
out of the Hall of Fame? Said, that's tough, man.
Speaker 6 (18:21):
I played his way out of the Hall of Fame.
Isn't this the pregnancy thing? You're either pregnant or you're not.
You're either in the Hall of Fame or you're not.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
Russell Wilson was a go either way leaving Seattle, Denver disaster,
Pittsburgh disaster, Giants disaster.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Yeah, not great.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
I mean Philip Rivers either way, goes to Indy, goes
eleven and five and like for a year, saves the Colts.
That's absolutely a credit on the.
Speaker 6 (18:50):
Would you go that's a good one, Russell Wilson or
Philip Rivers?
Speaker 1 (18:53):
If you said, yeah, Philip Rivers went to a second
place and was a one year wonder.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
Did you get your Super Bowl?
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Well, they can't all be Was.
Speaker 6 (19:02):
He ever like a top three MVP finalist or anything?
Speaker 1 (19:05):
I mean again, Philip Rivers probably doesn't get in. But
one of the arguments for him is bro he was
least athletic guy in the league. Went to Indy, Yeah,
and won eleven games, and went to Buffalo and was
in for a dog fight against Josh Allen Russell was
go either way Denver Steelers Giants. It's not gonna help. Yeah, no, No,
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I'm a rough guy.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Not just because I look a little bit like him.
Speaker 6 (19:31):
I've been told.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
But I think he had such a.
Speaker 6 (19:33):
Good run an underdog, came out of the middle rounds
spectacular to heap from Richard Sherman and all the legion.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
I'm not saying yes or no. I'm just saying it's
just watching him now getting usurped by Jameis Winston.
Speaker 6 (19:48):
Not great drop an sat vocabboards out here in our
number three geez sorry. Final story is Rob Grugkowski pretty cool.
He's officially retired from the NFL. He signed a one
day contract to officially retire as a Patriot today.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Here's grunk on retiring in Foxborough.
Speaker 7 (20:06):
This means a lot to me big time because I'm
a I'm a New England patriot. I'm a Patriot for life.
My career started here at one needed to end here,
There's no doubt about that. I Mean, the whole bront persona,
everything about myself was all because of you guys, was
all because of the fans here in New England. It
was all because of my teammates accepting me and everyone
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else here, you know, just accepting who I was from
the very beginning and embracing it and letting me just
play the game of football. How in the football field.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
My favorite part of Gronk, because I've been on the
set with him a couple of times, is when you
go back to those New England days and he was
I mean, he was dominant. It was just hard to
defend him. In his prime. He would he would hurt
people and and some of his soundbites after games where
he knew he was going to get in trouble, and
I mean, Belichick's got a couple of laugh out loud stories.
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Brady and Belichick have stories about Gronk at practice, you know,
he's practical joke guy. Yeah, but I'm trying to think
of the best tight ends I've ever seen. Kellen Winslow, Gronk,
Tony Gonzalez, Shannon Sharp's guys, Shannon Sharp, Travis Kelsey, Antonio Gates. Yeah,
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there's been a lot of good ones.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
I'll say this.
Speaker 6 (21:23):
I was only on a TV set with him once,
but somebody smart pointed him and said, you see J Mack.
You see what he's doing. He's authentic. That's the real dude.
He's not faking the funk. He's not trying to clean
it up. Just do you because Gronk.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Is doing him.
Speaker 6 (21:35):
He's gonna be a TV star and obviously he's doing
a great job after his NFL career here at Fox.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
Genuinely good guy. J Mack with the news.
Speaker 5 (21:44):
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Speaker 1 (22:04):
You know, it's interesting through the years when I've chatted
with NFL Draft directors or scouts or executives. It's interesting
with quarterbacks how often they will point to a specific
play or specific drive. I remember this with Josh Allen specifically,
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and say we're going to draft him based on two
throws he made at Wyoming. Like he's raw, he makes
a lot of mistakes, but he makes a couple of
throws at Wyoming where people are like, I've never seen
anything like that. Nobody in the NFL can make that throw.
And so when I was watching Saturday watching Fernando Mendoza,
Penn State knew he had to throw. He's on the road,
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major pass rush, and he's just throwing dart after dart
after dark. Penn State knows he's thrown. Penn State's coverage
all knows he's throwing the ball. He's not running the ball.
You're not fooling anybody. And he is running and moving
and throwing. And that drive alone, to me is like, Oh,
that's the number one pick in the draft. Just big
boy throws. And Penn State had all the momentum in
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that game, all of it. Indiana couldn't run this drive.
They had no choice but to throw, even the game winner,
he's throwing it back foot, jumping in the air, getting clobbered,
and nothing against ty Simpson at BAMA. But I haven't
seen that. I haven't seen a throw where I'm like, WHOA,
He's got a cleaner pocket, he's got higher rated teammates.
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I think you know, Alabama's Alabama. Ty Simpson's got a
cleaner pocket. He probably got better Elie quality receiving targets.
And I'm not saying the schedule hasn't been tougher, and
I'm not saying that ty Simpson can't play. Ty Simpson
spent three years at BAMA as a backup, wasn't doing anything,
and he's older, so he should be a little bit better.
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But when I look at those two, Mendoza just jumps
off the TV screen and that final drive against State
was Wow. That is that is Sunday stuff. Here's Joel
Klatt earlier on those two quarterbacks. Mendoza started two years
at cal and now a year at Indiana, so he's
highly experienced. I value that a lot more than even
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just these these few games of tape that Ty Simpson
has played at Alabama. Who doesn't have that body of
work from a start's perspective. Now that doesn't mean that
Mendoza is definitely going to be better than ty Simpson.
It means that those two decisions for Mendoza, whether he
wants to come out or not, or and ty Simpson
are different because of their experience level and how much
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experience they have. You have to be careful about getting
sucked in to a big win, like Johnny Manzel beat
Bamon and everybody's like, oh wow, It's like, well, what
are the traits? Johnny Manziel's tiny, Mendoza is huge. Manziel's
arm is okay, Mendoza's is huge. Like like, you can't
be blown away by individual moments. You also have to
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go back to traits. But it's hard to watch that
and not just see an NFL starting quarterback like very
quickly and by the way, two years at cal and
then one year at Indiana, he's not playing with five
star guys. He's got good coaches at both places, but
he's doing it with a lot of three star recruits
and I don't know, just on the road. Have to
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throw big pass rush, big accurate, great throws. You know
that only one person can catch him. I was blown
away by it, but you know, these young quarterback Eric
Mangini was just onne. We talked about if you look
at the eleven quarterbacks in this league twenty five or under,
and if you know, let's say you're the GM and
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you had to make a decision on every one of them,
do you give him the big contract today or do
you just go back to the draft. It's hard. I mean,
most of these guys can't stay healthy. Drake May's healthy,
Caleb's healthy, bo Nick's healthy, everybody else been banged up.
And here here's here there's man Genie on young quarterback
(26:02):
play and extensions and when to know you got the
right guy.
Speaker 4 (26:06):
You've got to be able to see these guys do
it consistently and continue to improve. But look at the
list of guys who've gotten big money. Love to a
Herbert Trevor Purdy, the forty nine ers paying party over
a quarter of a billion dollars. And now Mac Jones
goes out there and he's playing at a really high
level for three percent of what perty's making. So you
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make these decisions that then affect everything moving forward because
those guys have to be forced multipliers because you can't
then go pay everybody else.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
Yeah, it's just interesting with young quarterbacks. I mean Jaden
Daniels ten months ago, no brainer ten months ago. Caleb
Williams bordering on, well, this isn't gonna work at all. Okay,
A lot changes, So it's just everybody now is out
on bow Nicks, and I'm like, durable in college and
(27:01):
the Bros excellent fourth quarter numbers and wins a lot
at Oregon and wins a lot in Denver. Be very
careful about just now now, I said, if this continues
for the next seven weeks, like if he what if
he's good this weekend against Kansas City. Last year he
had a passer rating at like one thirty against the
Chiefs and Spags. So the bone Nicks one's fascinting because
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I really like Bonnicks, but he's really regressed this year.
So my take is, let's just let's see another seven
eight games and if this is just what it is,
you know, then Denver with our second or third pick,
maybe like let's get some competition in the quarterback room.
But you gotta be careful. Undervalued is durability. Caleb Williams
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does not get hurt. Bonnicks does not get hurt. That
is a that is an under and that is a skill.
Don't kid yourself avoiding contact, known how to sack, get
rid of the ball. Bonnicks does not take sacks. He
and you can say, oh, it's the old line. He
just doesn't take sacks. He gets rid of that thing fast,
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and for the record, that probably speaks to some of
his deep ball issues. Probably could give it another beat.
His thing is, I don't want to get sacked. I
don't want negative plays, which, by the way, is the
number one improvement all year for Caleb Williams. It's not
flashy plays, it's not accuracy, it's not Caleb's number one improvement.
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He's not taking negative plays. And that's bo Nix's strangth durable,
doesn't take negative plays, gets rid of the ball, doesn't
get sacked. I did. I hope J Mack noticed that that.
Even Eric Mangini noticed that you're paying Mac Jones three
percent of Brock Purdy and Mac looks good, like really good.
Speaker 6 (28:50):
I can't reason with you on this topic, so I'm
just gonna stand down. You know you don't like Purdy.
You have a beef with him because he can't hold
the football in rain, because he's not six four in
strapping and Bill like an Adonis. Well, I can't do
anything about that, but I can just put his numbers up.
If you want to put his career NFL numbers and
you don't get the cherry pick, oh, let's pick these
stats that make Caleb look better. Unequivocally, brock Perty has
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been a better NFL quarterback than Caleb Williams, full stop.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
It's not even close. For the record, Bo Nicks's passer
rating over this seven game winning streak, it's not terrible.
It's eighty seven. C J Stroud the last two years
is bordering in eighty nine. And so I mean it's
just the bow Knicks negativity. And when I said it,
I'm like, if I get this for another seven weeks,
maybe your third pick in the draft. Hey, Denver's got
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a pretty stat roster. Whoof, and I like Bo Nicks
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He coached the Jets, He coached the Cleveland Browns. In fact,
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year with the Jets. But things turn fast in New York.
Eric Mangini. First things first is joining us live. So
I suggested, I said, I think I would go get
Mike McCarthy. It's New York. I want coaching experience. He
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won with Cooper Rush, he won with Dak, He won
with Aaron that was called boring and uninspiring As an option,
Is Mike McCarthy sound boring and uninspiring? I don't know
if I'd want to go with another coordinator in New York.
Coughlin was a head coach at Boston College Jacksonville, New York.
He could handle New York. McCarthy's had Jerry Big Packers
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brand McCarthy feels like the right fit to me in
New York. Am I nuts, You're not nuts.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
You for an organization that that's had as many problems
as the Giants. To get an established head coach with
the experience and who's not going to go through that
learning curve is really attractive. But typically guys don't get
three head coaching shots. That's that's not the norm. To me,
this would have been if Bill had sat If Bill
Belichick had sat out a year another year and been available,
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I think this would have been a really interesting story
and it could have gone full circle. And I that's
not a great fit either because of his age and
some of the personnel issues he's had, but that that
at least is a compelling storyline, and you'd know he'd
get the defense fixed at a minimum.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Yeah, yeah, I don't love Belichick.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
I I yeah, I don't love North Carolina Belichick going there.
I think it's I think that that has kind of
allowed the ship to sail.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
What do you make the Giants keeping their GM, Joe Shane.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
I don't understand it at all, Colin, And and look,
I'm a little bit biased with Brian Dayball because I've
had a long relationship with him, and he's worked for me,
and I know what a good coach he is, and
he was Coach of the Year to start. But we
all saw on TV that they GM wanted to move
on from Saquon Barkley and he definitely wasn't going to
go in the division and he wasn't worth what anybody
(02:38):
was going to pay him. And then he goes and
has almost an MVP type season and arguably could have
been the MVP if we didn't always name a quarterback.
And then they do that to keep Daniel Jones, and
then they move on from Daniel Jones. They eat all
of the dead money, and here we are a year
later and Daniel Jones is doing what he's what he's
doing with the Colts. So that's the guy making the
(02:59):
ultimate personnel decisions. Those are two dramatic organizational shaping decisions
that not only affect you short term but long term
because of the dead money. And yet you have your
job and the coach is fired mid season. Doesn't seem
to make a lot of sense.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Yeah, the Okay, so I said this earlier. I said
with these young quarterbacks, two things are true. It's usually
not linear, it's bumpy, it's up, it's down at streaky.
Second thing who they get is they're opening coach matters,
especially like you're Sam Darnold twenty one. You didn't have
a great coach in college. You go to the NFL,
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it's Adam Gas. It's like, that's a lot. That's a lot.
So I said, here's the eleven quarterbacks twenty five and under.
If by the end of today business day, you have
to sign a three hundred million dollar you know, one
hundred and sixties guaranteed, I said, Drake May is my
absolute c J. Stroud and Caleb Williams probably my next two.
(04:04):
But half of these I defended bon Nicks. I'm like,
he's durable, he never gets hurt, he's excellent Laighton games,
collegeen Pro, and he wins a bunch of games. I
know it's not pretty. But if I told you is
there are are there two guys you could write that
check for today of those.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
Eleven, yeah, I wouldn't be signing a check for Drake
May at this point. Drake May, to me, this year's
Jayden Daniels, and Jayden Daniels was last year's c J.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Stroud.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
That's all it was, and he's hot right now, and
everybody loves Drake May just like we love Jayden, just
like we love CJ. Well, you've got to be able
to see these guys do it consistently and continue to improve.
But look at the list of guys who've gotten big money,
love to a Herbert, Trevor Purdy, the forty nine ers
paying Purty over a quarter of a billion dollars. And
(04:56):
now mac Jones goes out there and he's playing at
a really high level for three percent of what of
what party's making. So so you make these decisions that
then affect everything moving forward because those guys have to
be forced multipliers because you can't then go pay everybody else.
The quarterback just makes too much money. So to me,
(05:17):
I still like Jayden Daniels a lot. He would probably
be my top guy on that list. And then after that,
it's it's a it's a craft shoot. It's who knows
whether these guys are going to continue to elevate or
whether we're going to see, you know, the spottering out.
You'd like to think CJ. Stroud is a franchise guy,
but there's been a lot of ups and downs that
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I didn't expect, you know, at this level to be.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Yeah, hey, we were talking about Green Bay. Is that
they're broken. They haven't scored on their opening drive since
Dallas Week four. So the scripted stuff's not good. The
running game's not good.
Speaker 5 (05:57):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Craft is a great tight end out for the year,
read a clever receiver. He's banged up, Golden didn't play.
Is it Lafleur, is it Love? Is it the injuries? Like,
how do you solve mid season a broken offense?
Speaker 4 (06:14):
The Tucker Craft injury was a really bad one. He
was looking like a pretty big safety blanket for Jordan Love.
And when you look at Jordan Love over the course
of his career, he's typically either red hot or mid.
He's in that sort of seventy to eighty quarterback rating range.
And that's been frustrating to see. They do a lot
(06:40):
of good things. They're willing to run the ball, they're
number one and third down, they're pretty effective in the
red area. But yet we see what we saw the
last few games. Now, I do think we need to
grade the Eagles on a curve. This Eagles defense, to me,
has gotten better, and then they got reinforcements with Jalen Phillips.
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So that's a better defense than what they've been throughout
the course of the years. It's the it's the Cleveland
Browns loss, it's the Carolina Panthers loss, it's the Dallas
Cowboys tie. It's playing down your level of comp And
then for Jordan Love, there's another great situation where they
paid him a ton of money and you're expecting him
(07:22):
to continue to elevate, but it's taken longer than I
think people expected because of how much he makes.
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Subscribe, hit that thumbs up icon and coming away So
I want to go back, and I said this. I
watched this Mendoza kid this weekend at Indiana, and that
to me, big big arm can move a little lots
of college starts. That's an NFL quarterback. That last drive
against Penn State on the road, I mean, Eric, it
was just boom, boom, boom, and I mean he had
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people in his face. Like that offensive line got pushed around.
They couldn't run the ball. It was like that drive
was that was a Sunday drive. Daunte More reportedly might stay.
A lot of these college kids now with nil they
might stay. And I said, well, I may go mac Jones.
I'd go Mendoza, mac Jones. But my broader point was
(08:45):
that's what Indiana did. They said, we're not going to
draft another quarterback. We're going to get somebody in the league.
Daniel Jones. Seattle said we're not going to draft another quarterback.
We're going to get Sam Darnold. That's what Tampa said.
Jason Light the GM, let's go get Baker. So Mendoza
to me is a slam dunk. Mac Jones would be
my second pick. The rest of these guys aren't ready
to star. Let's talk Sam Darnald, who I would have
(09:08):
never I mean, I stayed with him the whole time.
But I don't think he's just a reclamation project. I
think he looks like a top five quarterback. Now maybe
he's not. But you broke down some film this week,
what do you see all your years in the NFL,
what do you see with Donald?
Speaker 4 (09:24):
Yes, the Sam Donald elevation really started at the end
of Carolina. He's four and two at Carolina and then
he and he goes has a really outstanding season last year.
Now the end of the season that that hurt him,
and I think I think that's still the big question
mark with him. And now he moves to Seattle, and
what he's been so good at is the deep ball
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and passes over ten yards. He's first in completions, he's
first in yards, he's first in touchdowns, he's first in
quarterback rating. He's got all all those things going for him.
You know, he struggled a little bit in the second half,
and we're gonna have to see how how it goes
when he gets to the playoffs. But let me show
you a deep ball play that he had against the Cardinals,
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which is a really good look at what he can
do and why he's so effective. So this is actually
the first drive of the game, and they just literally
cross midfield a couple plays earlier. They're going to run
hard sell play action, and with the hard sell play action,
they're going to end up blocking eight. So they're going
to block the five offensive lineman, the two tight ends,
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and the running back is going to stay in as well.
And then Sam does a really good job on these
play action fakes. You can see him extend the arm
out here. He's selling it. And now Seattle's just going
to run a two man route. So they've got Shaheed
running the over and then Jackson Smith and Jigba.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
He's going to push.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
Vertically, then he's going to drive out to freeze the cornerback.
Then he's going to push up the field. But it's
simply a two man route. And then with the Cardinals,
they're actually very effective at stopping deep balls. They're bringing
pressure here and they actually get more pressers because so
many guys bite on the play accid and they've got
a three deep zone behind it, so they're in a
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great defense to stop the deep ball. Seattle rolls Donald
out to his left. He's a right handed quarterback. Typically
you throw this moving him to his dominant arm, not
a way from his dominan arm looking in Jigbak, he
pushes out. Now that freezes the cornerback, the cornerback who
is high on him, and you can see Donald's gonna
let this go even though in Jigba's not on top
of the cornerback right now, he's got the confidence that
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he's going to be. But here's what's so important. He's
outside the numbers. He's on top of the cornerback, but
he's outside the numbers because he's got to stay away
from this post safety who could potentially, if he's got
a good break and fairly rangey, get to the bottom
of the numbers or maybe a little bit wider. But
watch how Sam places this ball even further away from
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the post safety is coming over and drops it right
inside of in Jigba's arms. It's it's really impressive, not
only his placement but the fact that he did that
rolling to his left as a right handed quarterback. And
he can hit you at any point with these home
run balls that a lot of guys can't do.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Yeah, no, he is. There is no question. John Snyder,
the GM got a third round pick for Gino. He
got Sam basically for less money than Gino. They hit
it out of the park. And also Sam's in his prime.
Sam is still Sam came into the league, so I
think he's only twenty seven or twenty eight. When you
watch him play, you can see he's right in the
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middle of his prime. And he hasn't been banged up enough,
so the injuries linger.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
When I watch him play, I see an elite quarterback.
That's what I see.
Speaker 4 (12:38):
And he's given every former first round draft pick who
struggled hope because he went through Yeah, he went through everything.
He had multiple stops. And look, if he stay with
these guys that are extremely talented, everybody develops at different
rates and you may hit on Geno Smith did it,
and Sam's doing it. Baker, his second actor, has been impressive.
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So all these guys and everybody's labeling as a bust.
Who knows which one's gonna hit next?
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Good stuff. Eric Mangini, thanks coach.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
Great seeing a con All right.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
J Mack sitting around, He's ready to go with the news.
Turn on the news.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
This is the Herdline news.
Speaker 6 (13:21):
Well, technically I'm not sitting around listening, researching, and also
paying attention to AJ Brown collin more drama with the
Eagles wide receiver.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Are you ready for this?
Speaker 6 (13:31):
So I know you are up on Twitch and all
these videos. Well, AJ Brown is popping off everywhere. And
he was taking part in a Madden video game live
stream with one of these social media influencers who asked him, hey, man, how.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Are things going?
Speaker 6 (13:47):
AJ Brown said, it's a poop show, struggling brother, This
is like on a live stream to hundreds thousands. I
have no idea how many people watch this influencer. Brown
also said, if you've got me on Fantasy man, get
rid of me. This came on the heels of the
Monday night football game. Well, remember the Eagles called that
(14:09):
bizarre play at the end of the game. Instead of punting,
they just threw a deep ball to AJ Brown. It
makes you wonder was that basically, Hey, Aj, just shut
the bleep up. We're gonna throw deep to you, and
if we fail.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
Who cares the package all the time. That's how I
viewed it.
Speaker 6 (14:23):
Yeah, it's just such a weird situation. Now here we go.
Zach Berman, who covers the Eagles, said Nick Sirianni is
getting bombarded with in here the last hour, AJ Brown questions,
here's Sirianni. He's starting to lose it, Colin, I'm close
to being done answering questions about this.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
He's working hard.
Speaker 6 (14:43):
He's a big part of this game plan, and he'll
be a big part of the game plan going forward.
He's working crazy when he's here. We have this out.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
I'm close to being done answering these questions with us, Like,
he's working hard, and he is a big part of
this game plan and there'll be a big part of
the game.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Plan going forward.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
And he's working like crazy when he's here, and I'm
excited to have him.
Speaker 6 (15:11):
He sure sounds like it, doesn't he. It's like when
somebody interviews you are are you excited to have j
McK and you're like, yeah, fired up?
Speaker 5 (15:19):
Was it?
Speaker 2 (15:19):
I keep defending I think it's gonna be okay.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
It's not. It's not okay. I mean you you seem.
Speaker 6 (15:27):
Like a crazy person trying to trade him in like
week two and everybody's like, coward's losing it.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
I got crushed forward. I'm like, guys, it's you're trying
to talk yourself into it. It is a bad fit.
He doesn't mean he's a bad guy. I like Aj Brown,
I like Stefon Diggs, but they're fit matters for wide receives.
Speaker 6 (15:43):
You can't win the Super Bowl obviously, sayque Bartlet was great,
go to another Super Bowl with him and call it
a bad fit.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
No no, no, no, no, no no no. That that's
that's false. Everybody's on their best behavior when you're winning.
And it's early, but relationships, marriages, businesses, you have to
view them broadly over the course of time. Aj Brown,
last year, they're winning, he's getting good looks. But now
Devonte Smith has developed. And now the run games not
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as good, and and and the offense is sputtering, and
he wants the ball more. And this this has developed
into a we've seen this te o wasn't a problem
with the Nighters initially. Stefan Diggs wasn't an issue with
Buffalo initially. Randy Moss was great in New England initially,
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but temperamental wide receivers they want the ball. They're on
an island. So it is it is developed into a
poor fit.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
It's so weird.
Speaker 6 (16:40):
If you look at the contenders, we're like, oh, I
don't know. Jordan Love could be a problem for the Packers.
Questions about the Lions play calling, You know, Dan Cable
taking over.
Speaker 5 (16:48):
There aren't any.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
Questions about specific.
Speaker 6 (16:50):
Position players on any of these contenders except AJ Brown.
I will say this guy. I think we agree. They're
going to need him to win the Super Bowl or
even get to it.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
Right.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
No, what's the path to the Super Bowl without AJ Brown?
Devonte Smith? Oh?
Speaker 6 (17:06):
Please come on, he's not even a number one receiver. Oh,
I mean Saquon Barkley barely can run the football. There's
no nowhere to go.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (17:15):
I mean they're probably gonna get a buye in the
first round and play the second round.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
I don't know that they're a lot.
Speaker 6 (17:21):
Colin, this is loaded NFC, rams, Seahawks.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
Hell, the Lions are not bad.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
I'm worried about AJ Brown. Clean it up, brother, all right?
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Next story, Colin is the New York Giants. Big news here.
Speaker 6 (17:32):
In the last ninety minutes, Mike Kafka has announced that
Jameis Winston It's going to be the starter against the
Green Bay Packers this weekend. Jackson dart in the concussion
protocol because he literally lives in the blue tent Jamis
bypassing Russell Wilson in the pecking order. Russell Wilson filled in.
(17:52):
I think he filled in on her drive and then
had three drives to end the game against the Bears.
He had a total of like seven yards or something
like that in place.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
That's not great for Russ.
Speaker 6 (18:02):
I think do they cut him and let him go
be a backup somewhere else?
Speaker 1 (18:06):
I don't know, but it's on the next year. Let
me ask you, how many quarterbacks have played their way
out of the Hall of Fame? Said, that's tough, man.
Speaker 6 (18:21):
I played his way out of the Hall of Fame.
Isn't this the pregnancy thing? You're either pregnant or you're not.
You're either in the Hall of Fame or you're not.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
Russell Wilson was a go either way leaving Seattle, Denver disaster,
Pittsburgh disaster, Giants disaster.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Yeah, not great.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
I mean Philip Rivers either way, goes to Indy, goes
eleven and five and like for a year, saves the Colts.
That's absolutely a credit on the.
Speaker 6 (18:50):
Would you go that's a good one, Russell Wilson or
Philip Rivers?
Speaker 1 (18:53):
If you said, yeah, Philip Rivers went to a second
place and was a one year wonder.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
Did you get your Super Bowl?
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Well, they can't all be Was.
Speaker 6 (19:02):
He ever like a top three MVP finalist or anything?
Speaker 1 (19:05):
I mean again, Philip Rivers probably doesn't get in. But
one of the arguments for him is bro he was
least athletic guy in the league. Went to Indy, Yeah,
and won eleven games, and went to Buffalo and was
in for a dog fight against Josh Allen Russell was
go either way Denver Steelers Giants. It's not gonna help. Yeah, no, No,
(19:28):
I'm a rough guy.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Not just because I look a little bit like him.
Speaker 6 (19:31):
I've been told.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
But I think he had such a.
Speaker 6 (19:33):
Good run an underdog, came out of the middle rounds
spectacular to heap from Richard Sherman and all the legion.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
I'm not saying yes or no. I'm just saying it's
just watching him now getting usurped by Jameis Winston.
Speaker 6 (19:48):
Not great drop an sat vocabboards out here in our
number three geez sorry. Final story is Rob Grugkowski pretty cool.
He's officially retired from the NFL. He signed a one
day contract to officially retire as a Patriot today.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Here's grunk on retiring in Foxborough.
Speaker 7 (20:06):
This means a lot to me big time because I'm
a I'm a New England patriot. I'm a Patriot for life.
My career started here at one needed to end here,
There's no doubt about that. I Mean, the whole bront persona,
everything about myself was all because of you guys, was
all because of the fans here in New England. It
was all because of my teammates accepting me and everyone
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else here, you know, just accepting who I was from
the very beginning and embracing it and letting me just
play the game of football. How in the football field.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
My favorite part of Gronk, because I've been on the
set with him a couple of times, is when you
go back to those New England days and he was
I mean, he was dominant. It was just hard to
defend him. In his prime. He would he would hurt
people and and some of his soundbites after games where
he knew he was going to get in trouble, and
I mean, Belichick's got a couple of laugh out loud stories.
(20:59):
Brady and Belichick have stories about Gronk at practice, you know,
he's practical joke guy. Yeah, but I'm trying to think
of the best tight ends I've ever seen. Kellen Winslow, Gronk,
Tony Gonzalez, Shannon Sharp's guys, Shannon Sharp, Travis Kelsey, Antonio Gates. Yeah,
(21:21):
there's been a lot of good ones.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
I'll say this.
Speaker 6 (21:23):
I was only on a TV set with him once,
but somebody smart pointed him and said, you see J Mack.
You see what he's doing. He's authentic. That's the real dude.
He's not faking the funk. He's not trying to clean
it up. Just do you because Gronk.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Is doing him.
Speaker 6 (21:35):
He's gonna be a TV star and obviously he's doing
a great job after his NFL career here at Fox.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
Genuinely good guy. J Mack with the news.
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Speaker 1 (22:04):
You know, it's interesting through the years when I've chatted
with NFL Draft directors or scouts or executives. It's interesting
with quarterbacks how often they will point to a specific
play or specific drive. I remember this with Josh Allen specifically,
(22:26):
and say we're going to draft him based on two
throws he made at Wyoming. Like he's raw, he makes
a lot of mistakes, but he makes a couple of
throws at Wyoming where people are like, I've never seen
anything like that. Nobody in the NFL can make that throw.
And so when I was watching Saturday watching Fernando Mendoza,
Penn State knew he had to throw. He's on the road,
(22:48):
major pass rush, and he's just throwing dart after dart
after dark. Penn State knows he's thrown. Penn State's coverage
all knows he's throwing the ball. He's not running the ball.
You're not fooling anybody. And he is running and moving
and throwing. And that drive alone, to me is like, Oh,
that's the number one pick in the draft. Just big
boy throws. And Penn State had all the momentum in
(23:12):
that game, all of it. Indiana couldn't run this drive.
They had no choice but to throw, even the game winner,
he's throwing it back foot, jumping in the air, getting clobbered,
and nothing against ty Simpson at BAMA. But I haven't
seen that. I haven't seen a throw where I'm like, WHOA,
He's got a cleaner pocket, he's got higher rated teammates.
(23:32):
I think you know, Alabama's Alabama. Ty Simpson's got a
cleaner pocket. He probably got better Elie quality receiving targets.
And I'm not saying the schedule hasn't been tougher, and
I'm not saying that ty Simpson can't play. Ty Simpson
spent three years at BAMA as a backup, wasn't doing anything,
and he's older, so he should be a little bit better.
(23:53):
But when I look at those two, Mendoza just jumps
off the TV screen and that final drive against State
was Wow. That is that is Sunday stuff. Here's Joel
Klatt earlier on those two quarterbacks. Mendoza started two years
at cal and now a year at Indiana, so he's
highly experienced. I value that a lot more than even
(24:16):
just these these few games of tape that Ty Simpson
has played at Alabama. Who doesn't have that body of
work from a start's perspective. Now that doesn't mean that
Mendoza is definitely going to be better than ty Simpson.
It means that those two decisions for Mendoza, whether he
wants to come out or not, or and ty Simpson
are different because of their experience level and how much
(24:37):
experience they have. You have to be careful about getting
sucked in to a big win, like Johnny Manzel beat
Bamon and everybody's like, oh wow, It's like, well, what
are the traits? Johnny Manziel's tiny, Mendoza is huge. Manziel's
arm is okay, Mendoza's is huge. Like like, you can't
be blown away by individual moments. You also have to
(24:59):
go back to traits. But it's hard to watch that
and not just see an NFL starting quarterback like very
quickly and by the way, two years at cal and
then one year at Indiana, he's not playing with five
star guys. He's got good coaches at both places, but
he's doing it with a lot of three star recruits
and I don't know, just on the road. Have to
(25:20):
throw big pass rush, big accurate, great throws. You know
that only one person can catch him. I was blown
away by it, but you know, these young quarterback Eric
Mangini was just onne. We talked about if you look
at the eleven quarterbacks in this league twenty five or under,
and if you know, let's say you're the GM and
(25:42):
you had to make a decision on every one of them,
do you give him the big contract today or do
you just go back to the draft. It's hard. I mean,
most of these guys can't stay healthy. Drake May's healthy,
Caleb's healthy, bo Nick's healthy, everybody else been banged up.
And here here's here there's man Genie on young quarterback
(26:02):
play and extensions and when to know you got the
right guy.
Speaker 4 (26:06):
You've got to be able to see these guys do
it consistently and continue to improve. But look at the
list of guys who've gotten big money. Love to a
Herbert Trevor Purdy, the forty nine ers paying party over
a quarter of a billion dollars. And now Mac Jones
goes out there and he's playing at a really high
level for three percent of what perty's making. So you
(26:29):
make these decisions that then affect everything moving forward because
those guys have to be forced multipliers because you can't
then go pay everybody else.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
Yeah, it's just interesting with young quarterbacks. I mean Jaden
Daniels ten months ago, no brainer ten months ago. Caleb
Williams bordering on, well, this isn't gonna work at all. Okay,
A lot changes, So it's just everybody now is out
on bow Nicks, and I'm like, durable in college and
(27:01):
the Bros excellent fourth quarter numbers and wins a lot
at Oregon and wins a lot in Denver. Be very
careful about just now now, I said, if this continues
for the next seven weeks, like if he what if
he's good this weekend against Kansas City. Last year he
had a passer rating at like one thirty against the
Chiefs and Spags. So the bone Nicks one's fascinting because
(27:24):
I really like Bonnicks, but he's really regressed this year.
So my take is, let's just let's see another seven
eight games and if this is just what it is,
you know, then Denver with our second or third pick,
maybe like let's get some competition in the quarterback room.
But you gotta be careful. Undervalued is durability. Caleb Williams
(27:45):
does not get hurt. Bonnicks does not get hurt. That
is a that is an under and that is a skill.
Don't kid yourself avoiding contact, known how to sack, get
rid of the ball. Bonnicks does not take sacks. He
and you can say, oh, it's the old line. He
just doesn't take sacks. He gets rid of that thing fast,
(28:06):
and for the record, that probably speaks to some of
his deep ball issues. Probably could give it another beat.
His thing is, I don't want to get sacked. I
don't want negative plays, which, by the way, is the
number one improvement all year for Caleb Williams. It's not
flashy plays, it's not accuracy, it's not Caleb's number one improvement.
(28:27):
He's not taking negative plays. And that's bo Nix's strangth durable,
doesn't take negative plays, gets rid of the ball, doesn't
get sacked. I did. I hope J Mack noticed that that.
Even Eric Mangini noticed that you're paying Mac Jones three
percent of Brock Purdy and Mac looks good, like really good.
Speaker 6 (28:50):
I can't reason with you on this topic, so I'm
just gonna stand down. You know you don't like Purdy.
You have a beef with him because he can't hold
the football in rain, because he's not six four in
strapping and Bill like an Adonis. Well, I can't do
anything about that, but I can just put his numbers up.
If you want to put his career NFL numbers and
you don't get the cherry pick, oh, let's pick these
stats that make Caleb look better. Unequivocally, brock Perty has
(29:12):
been a better NFL quarterback than Caleb Williams, full stop.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
It's not even close. For the record, Bo Nicks's passer
rating over this seven game winning streak, it's not terrible.
It's eighty seven. C J Stroud the last two years
is bordering in eighty nine. And so I mean it's
just the bow Knicks negativity. And when I said it,
I'm like, if I get this for another seven weeks,
maybe your third pick in the draft. Hey, Denver's got
(29:39):
a pretty stat roster. Whoof, and I like Bo Nicks
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