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Jmax picks in thirty minutes. First though, Eric Mangini, Jets
Brown's former head coach now with Fox Sports, is joining
us live. So as somebody who lives in Cleveland, the
Shaduur Sanders you know story, considering he has the lowest
rated receiving core and a bottom three oer line, I've
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actually been impressed. Now, Cleveland doesn't always have you know,
they get a little hot on their quarterbacks, right Like,
I'm sure they're not measured in nuanced with take, but
what is the feeling he's a big play quarterback. I mean,
I trust my eyes. He's looked pretty good. He's not
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working with much offensively. What have you made of him?
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Yeah, So going into the draft, everybody felt Shador was
going to be drafted significantly higher. And I think a
lot of people in Cleveland felt Shador was going to
be drafted to Cleveland significantly higher. So then when he
ended up being here and got drafted after Dylan Gabriel,
there was frustration on the fan basis part because they
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were told how good this player was, and so then
he sat, he sat, And now he's finally getting an
opportunity to play, and he's definitely getting graded on a
curve Colin because when you look at the Tennessee game,
he made some really good plays, and then he made
some plays that you think, Okay, this is going to
be a problem. That one interception that he threw was
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just ridiculous. He shouldn't have done that. And then you know,
the sacks were an issue in college and I think
they're going to continue to be an issue in pro football.
But the plays that he makes outside the pocket, those
are exciting. And as you said, in Cleveland, there's such
a desperation for any optimism at quarterback that the game
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last week, even in a loss to Tennessee, was still
really exciting to most people.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
It does matter when you play in a city like
Cleveland that starved for wins, or let's take Buffalo, where
you know you have the Sabers, but it's at Bill's town.
And I said, if they lose to New England, the
headline Monday is going to be Vrabel wins Division year one,
the second year quarterback. And I mean Greg Cozell was
on this week and said, I don't love Buffalo's roster.
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It's hard to spot great players beyond Josh Allen when
you watch tape. And I said, this game is way
bigger Monday morning getting swept by Vrabel when you have
the best quarterback in the league in Josh Allen. Now,
you lived in New York, where there's a million in
sports teams, but Cleveland when you were.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
There, Browns are big.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Your take on, let's just say Buffalo loses this weekend.
You've lived in that world where talk radio things get ugly.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
People take me too. What it could be like for McDermott.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
Yeah, it can be really hard this year, especially because
it looks like we're not going to have Mahomes in
the playoffs. It looks like we're not potentially not going
to have Lamar Jackson in the playoffs. We're not going
to have Joe Burrow in the playoffs. So the only
real Superman left in the AFC is Josh Allen, and
if this year would be the ideal year to be
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able to have that number one seed with all these
other stars and franchises that you've had problems with essentially eliminated,
and now within your own division, you've got a second
year quarterback and not a first time head coach, but
a first year head coach and Mike in New England
and they're going to win the division.
Speaker 5 (03:59):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
I think Buffalo is going to win the game, Colin,
and I think that the last time they played New England,
they didn't take New England very seriously. Remember Buffalo was
riding that eleven game home win streak they'd won I
think five in a row. New England was was sort
of milling around, and they had eleven penalties. It was
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a lot of things that just made it look like
they look past New England, which isn't going to be
the case this game, and I think Buffalo ends up
winning it.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
So you were with the Patriots and you know, dynasties
are rare, but it's just as hard to maintain them
as it is to build them. Once you start paying
the quarterback. And Kansas City looks like they won't make
the playoffs. And frankly, they've got two or three really
great players, you know, McDuffie, Creed, Humphrey Mahomes. But Chris
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Jones looks like he's aged, Travis Kelsey is aged, they're online.
They have major problems at all over it, but especially
a tackle. What do you think the secret was to
extend that dynasty? Because even when New England wasn't winning
super Bowls, they were good and winning the division. Is
some of this just Sean Payton and Jim Harbaugh showed
up in your neighborhood or is it a roster regression?
Speaker 4 (05:14):
Like what was the secret sauce to you? Beyond? Because
they've got Red.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
And Mahomes, you had Brady and Belichick and you kept winning.
And I mean, you tell me what you see with
Kansas City.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
Well, in fairness to Kansas City comments, what three straight
super Bowl runs and they won.
Speaker 5 (05:31):
Two out of three? That's hard.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
Those extended off seasons are really hard on the team.
And then you come back and you do it again.
So they win two straight. Then they've got a chance
last year to win three straight. So that's three off
seasons that have been dramatically shortened. You don't get the
high draft picks, and it can be extremely challenging and
it wears you down. And I think that's what we're
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seeing right now is this is an off year. And
it's been a really off year for Patrick Mahomes. His
sub twenty quarterback rating that was lower than any quarterback
rating Tom ever got in his twenty three year career.
So and he struggled here now for well over a month.
But as long as they have Patrick Mahomes every single year,
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they're going to have a chance to win the Super Bowl.
Like forget about the rest of the players. They're going
to need other good players. But as long as you
have that player, just like as long as we had
Tom Brady, you always had a chance, they're going to
have a chance. They just may need a little bit
of a real offseason and a little bit more of
a reset. And I think next year we're going to
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be talking about him again being the mix for the
AC championship in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
A lot of discussion about how talented Caleb Williams is,
but how low is completion percentage is. And I do
think there's a fine line on letting a star be
a star and understanding they're gonna have a few more picks.
They're more aggressive. Brett Farbes just an aggressive player, and
I think Josh Allen he's an aggressive player. How troubled
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would you be with Caleb at fifty eight percent? Is
there a line you want to get up to? Because
we see him make incredibly difficult throws. We know he's
got all sorts of horse power. He may have the
strongest arm in the league. We know he's wildly evasive.
Where are you on his completion issues?
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Yeah, Look, I don't love a fifty eight percent completion.
You'd probably want to be somewhere. I think the league
average is about sixty four percent, So that's that the
low point.
Speaker 5 (07:35):
That's that's what we're gunning for.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
What I really like that Caleb's done is how dramatically
he's changed the number of sacks that he's taken. Think
about last year, the volume of sacks this guy took.
And we could kill the offensive line, and we can
kill the offensive coordinator, and I get all that, but
a lot of those sacks were on him, and he's
doing a much better job. And Ben Johnson's doing a
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really good job with him of not turning a bad
play into a really bad play to where now you're
you know, second and fifteen or whatever it is. So
that's been great, huge progress there. He protects the ball
pretty well. That's that's really really good. Yeah, the completion
percentage I think will continue to creep up as he
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understands defenses better, as he continues to understand the offense better.
But he's corrected two pretty significant problems that we saw
last year with the Saxon and you know, just a
propensity for turnovers. They're not perfect, but a huge progress.
So I'm really encouraged by him.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
All right, before we go to our video the Eagles,
I thought it was cringey, had this positivity bunny and
maybe if you were on a six game winning streak
it's funny, but when you're losing, it seems desperate.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
What'd you make of it?
Speaker 5 (08:58):
I don't know who put it up.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
So, you know, sometimes the offensive lineman or you know,
a group will put something in the locker room and
there it can be really cringey, or it can be
funny and they think it's funny, but the rest of
the world thinks it's cringey. You you don't love the
fact that they put it up, and then it becomes
a national story, and then they lose the game, and
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it's it's now lay it's it's something where there should
be nothing. And and I do imagine that it was
probably just a you know, a throwaway sort of sort
of light hearted thing that that somebody thought was going
to be hit that now becomes a much bigger story
because they're on a three game losing streak. I can't
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imagine this was Sirianni saying, hey, fellas, you know we
need in the locker room a positivity bunny.
Speaker 5 (09:47):
That that's the answer.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
So I don't know who was responsible for it, but
I'm glad it's gone.
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So I suggested, I said, what I Philip Rivers. You
watch Kirk Cousins, and Kirk Cousins is dealing why because
he never relied on athleticism. Tom Brady forty four years old,
dealon Matt Stafford thirty seven. Aaron's been pretty good, not
quite as good because he did rely somewhat on his athleticism.
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Yet a guy like Cam Newton ages really fast. People
are suggesting Lamar Jackson is aging really fast. So I
look at Philip Rivers and I'm like, he didn't running
his prime. He was probably the least athletic quarterback in
the league his last four years. His last year in
Indy he was great. And I'm like, listen, they got
a good run game, a good old line.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
You don't want.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
I'm sitting there for seven seconds. I could see a
world where he stabilizes the offense.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
Am I nuts?
Speaker 3 (11:23):
I think you might be nuts. You're absolutely right in
the fact that he's the quarterbacks that have not had
to rely on their feet throughout the course of their career.
Aged so much better than running quarterbacks because they've had
to consistently find a second pitch when the first answer
wasn't there. We're running quarterbacks. When it's not there, they
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take off. But the father time gets you with that.
The difference here to me with Philip Rivers versus when
Joe Flacco first got brought in by the Browns after
sitting out through November is Joe Flacco had played the
year before. Joe Flacco was thirty eight. Phillips forty four,
just turned forty four. He hasn't played in five years,
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and Joe Flacco he played after thirteen games or thirteen
days on the team. We're talking about four days on
the team.
Speaker 5 (12:12):
So he's coming.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
Off the couch after five years at forty four years old,
with very little time to practice against a salty defense
that pressures a ton.
Speaker 5 (12:24):
I understand he knows the.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
System and that's a huge benefit not just for him
but for everybody around him. But this is a rough
unit that he's going to be rolled.
Speaker 5 (12:35):
Out there against.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
I don't love it, Colin. I hope it ends up
like a Disney movie.
Speaker 5 (12:42):
I hope it ends up.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
Nice or like a Hallmark movie for the holidays, you know,
the coach comes out and saves the team.
Speaker 5 (12:50):
But it could be rough.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
Yeah, you're probably right. I'm trying to be optimistic, you know. Okay, Yeah,
I've said Listen, when Jordan Love was in college, people
thought he was reckless, and then he sat for three years,
and then his first five or six games he was awful,
and then he was good.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
Then he got hurt.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
But he does check certain boxes arm athleticism, size, appears
to be incredibly coachable, aggressive, he'll throw the ball downfield.
I know you got some film on him this week.
I like him, and I think all this stuff is
not linear, right, Like it's turbulent.
Speaker 4 (13:24):
You don't know.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
I mean Matt Lafleur when he first started after sitting
for three years, was really impatient with him. He's like,
we're not good. Now he's really good.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
What do you see?
Speaker 5 (13:35):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (13:35):
The thing that I've always saw with Jordan Love is
when he's good, Colin, he's really really good. You know,
he gets he doesn't get eight pluses, he gets eight
plus pluses. But when he's been bad, he's been more
of a C type student. That's that's gotten a little
bit better. His bad games haven't been as bad, and
his good games are still as good as they've been.
But that inconsistency overall.
Speaker 5 (13:58):
I don't love.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
But he's on a a bit of a heater right now.
And when I went back and looked at at the
Bears game, I thought it was not only him, but
I thought they did a really good job as an
offensive staff of attacking the Bears.
Speaker 5 (14:12):
So let's take a look at the table.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
I'm gonna show you the first touchdown that he threw
in the game, and this formation ends up being the
same formation they use for the second touchdown as well.
So they've got the back of the tight end. They're
both to the right side here. They're going to stay
in the block so that with the five offensive linemen,
they're going to block seven.
Speaker 5 (14:30):
So they're going to.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
Max protect it for Jordan Love, anticipating that the Bears
are going to bring some kind of heat.
Speaker 5 (14:36):
Now, they've got all three.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
Wide receivers on the left side, so if the corners
come over, they know whether it's man or zone, and they're.
Speaker 5 (14:42):
Going to run a curl outside.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
They're gonna run a curl where he sits it with
the ball inside. Again, if they have pressure, that gives
them easy answers. But if they've got it blocked up,
they're going to take Watson and they're going to run
him down the middle of the field. So they've got
the max protection, they've got answers with routes, and then
they also have the option to throw it. Now the Bears,
they've got their four down linemen, they're coming. Then they're
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going to take a cornerback, a linebacker and the cornerback
who's over the third wide receiver, and they're gonna bring
all three of those guys, so they're rushing seven. So
Green Bay was right. The Bears are bringing pressure. What
that means is those defensive backs are locked on the
three wide receive wide receivers man and man, and the
tight end man and man, and they've got no help.
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So now as the pressure starts to come, what you're
going to see is the tight end stays in the block.
He's going to block the blitzing defensive back, which means
they're seven blockers are going to block the Bears seven blitzers.
And now Johnson, he's the free guy. He's got to go.
He's look at the path. He's got a free path
to Jordan Love. He doesn't go. He's the eighth guy.
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He's the free guy, which means now all these defensive
backs are getting sold out. Look at the pocket that
Jordan Love has. He said, this is the Max blitzing,
and it looks like he's got all day. So now
Watson is going to be able to walk up on
the defensive back, break his leverage, and and take a
look at the amount of field that he has to
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run away from the safety. This shouldn't happen with a
Max pressure. But because Johnson doesn't go after they block
it up, then Jordan Love is able to throw it.
Speaker 5 (16:16):
He's able to.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
Throw it away from the from from the coverage, and
it's it's it's a really good throw by Love. It's
it's a really well execuecuted play overall. And and they
end up doing it a little bit later in the
second quarter and hit another touchdown out of that same
exact formation, just a little bit different pattern. So collectively,
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Love and and the offensive scheme we're both very have
been very good of late.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
One of the reasons I like a Darnald or a
Jordan Love. I loved Andrew Locke is that if you blitz,
they will punish you. I would blitz all day if
you never punish me. I'll tell if you if I
blitz and you beat me for an eight yard completion Chicago,
they brought the pressure and he burned them twice in
that game. And so that's why I've always said, I'll
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deal with some interceptions you. I'll deal with intercept Andrew
Luck through a lot, Darnold's Peyton manning through them, but
I need to burn you if you do blitz me.
And I think that's what Green Bay does, and I
think the really good teams do. Mahomes did that for
years too.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
Yeah, And it's not just the quarterback being able to
recognize that stuff and take advantage of it, but then
also the the offensive staff or the offensive coordinator also
understanding how to really attack that then and how to
educate the quarterback. I'm where to exploit those weaknesses when
you blitz, and and that's always a huge risk of takes.
A defensive coordinator is somebody's band's going to play. It's
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either our band or their band when we bring this pressure,
and the good quarterbacks, you know, their band plays way
more often than the defenses.
Speaker 4 (17:49):
Does Eric man JINGI good seeing coach.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
Great seeing you talk to you soon, Colin.
Speaker 4 (17:54):
All right, Jmack with the news.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Now this is the herd Line news.
Speaker 4 (18:02):
All right, let's get started with the AFC East. It's
hanging in the balance, Patriots Bills, the big showdown we've
been talking about all week. Buffalo lost the first meeting,
but could extend the possibility of the Patriots stumbling to
open the divisional race. Josh Allen, he knows what's at stake.
Speaker 7 (18:20):
We're doing everything that we can to prepare as hard
as we can to go out there next quot as
well as we can on Sunday. You know, we think
we understand as the team.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
What's at stake, but I.
Speaker 7 (18:33):
Don't think that's gonna influencing anything. It's the next game.
It's the biggest game that we have because it's the
next one.
Speaker 4 (18:42):
So a lot of people Colin are saying, oh, it
must win. Listen. Obviously it'd be nice to win for
the Bills. I like them here. If they don't and
they get a wild card spot, these are the three
division winners that you're looking at facing in the first round.
Broncos are Patriots. Whoever doesn't get to one Jacksonville and
Pittsburgh Buffalo is still going to be favored.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
That Bill's not a great matchup because Jacksonville runs the ball.
Jacksonville's run game has been pretty good.
Speaker 4 (19:06):
Yeah, they got ETN. I just if I'm the Bills, obviously,
I think they win this weekend. But I don't think
it's the end of the world. If you're a wild
card team.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
I think a lot of it is in the building.
Vrabel comes into the division, sweeps you with young drag
Day who's not in his prime. That doesn't play well
the Bills owners upstairs thinking first year New England's arguably
still in a semi rebuild.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
Okay, let's talk through this. Bills lose this game, losing
the first round. Whatever do you move? You move off
McDermott and the GM.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
I move off McDermott. I have long discussions with the GM.
Speaker 4 (19:44):
Okay, I don't know if here's the problem, Colin, where
are you going to find a great candidate out there?
Speaker 1 (19:49):
I'd go find an offensive coach. There's a coordinator at
a football team near to you.
Speaker 4 (19:56):
I just think the market is a little bleak, like
even think of the good offen into Seattle's offense is
popping where else are Like.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
By the way, by the way, I have Josh Allen,
Kevin O'Connell, we'll pay the rest of your contract in Minnesota.
Speaker 4 (20:13):
Let me tell you something.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
If Josh Allen's your quarterback, every good offense to the
guy in the LEGE.
Speaker 4 (20:18):
Will take a call. You got to take a call.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Okay, dan Abel by the way, he's already coached there.
Speaker 4 (20:23):
Yeah he was. He's apparently the guy who saved Allan.
But we'll see. Oh, Stefanski, how about that is a
fit If the Browns run him off, which would be dumb.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
There'll be no shortage of top offensive guys for Josh Allen.
Speaker 4 (20:35):
Sevanski would be the yeah, yeah, all right. Next up,
we got to go back to the Chiefs. I like
what Mangini had to say about about Patrick Mahomes. Mind
blowing stats. Colin, how about this one. They have an
NFL worst six losses when they're favored this season. Yeah,
that is not good. The market's overvaluing them, right because
everybody just thinks it's reading Mahomes. They're gonna be fine.
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So they're five and a half point favorites when they
play the Chargers. We have a list of their losses.
Is a favorite, okay, and they're all close games, well
except Houston. The Chargers in the opener in I think Brazil,
remember they lost that Justin Herbert was nailed on the
final drive. The Jacksonville loss, which we Monday bullied a
little bit.
Speaker 5 (21:14):
That one.
Speaker 4 (21:14):
Yeah, yeah, the Buffalo loss. I expected there was a
tough one to Denver. I think a lot of people
thought the Chiefs were the side there, the one at Dallas,
which still remains perplexing. That Thanksgiving loss, and then Houston
last week, which wasn't a one score game. But that
just tells me when they play good teams, they don't
have as many good players. And Patrick Mahomes is not
doing stuff that he used to do during his prime.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
My eyes, your eyes don't lie. Houston had better players
last week. Yeah, Longer, more athletic, getting to the quarterback
more consistently.
Speaker 4 (21:44):
Can you remind me how many times did Tom Brady
missed the playoffs when he was a new I think
I might have asked you that every day this week.
I'm trying to send a message Chiefs fans. All right,
final story, Let's go to the Miami Dolphins, one of
the quieter turnaround stories in the league. Absolutely, you know
they won five or six. I mean people had buried
buried myself included McDaniel. There was that game in London
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where he went for it on fourth down, like kick
the field goal, win the damn game. They ended up
winning in overtime. But Monday night, Colin in Pittsburgh, we
got an early weather report high of twenty two degrees
and there could be snow. Tua was asked about the
weather report, what do you think? Twas said, it's football.
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I guess they told you about it. Yeah, Tua obviously
playing all the saying all the right things, right, The
reality is they've really struggled in inclement weather.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
No.
Speaker 4 (22:41):
Now, they did win against the Jets Vicesburgh. Is the
side here? Well, TJ Watt, I'm sure you read the story.
He's got like a lung thing within the hospital. Ain't
no way he's playing sunny. Sorry like that. JJ Watt's
out there chiming in on it now like we're thankful
my brother's Okay. I do like the Dolphins, but two
in cold weather two and seven passer rating of seventy nine.
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It was the Jets last week.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
Let's simmer down at Jmack the News.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
Well, that's the news, and thanks for stopping by The.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
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Speaker 1 (23:36):
Well, it's week fifteen to the NFL season playoff implications
heating up. Teams are on the bubble, fighting for relevance,
division leaders trying to protect their spots. Jmack believes he
knows how it will all shake out. First up, I've
already made my pick on this one. Raven's trying to rebound.
Bengals trying to spoil tomorrow's headlines Today, Ravens and the Bengals.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
It's just tough. A couple themes This weekend rematches are big.
I'm betting on a lot of coaches who are dominant
in December. This one, this is a tough one. Ravens Bengals,
a rematch from Thanksgiving. The headline will be lamar and order, defense, arrests,
offense restores AFC. Now again, everybody out there saying basically
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the same thing. Baltimore's broken, Lamar's slow, Warren Buffett the
great investor. Hey, everybody's fleeing, that's the time to jump in.
I'm trying to buy Baltimore low here, Okay, I do
believe we see a better effort than what we saw
on Thanksgiving. Colin. I went back and read that game.
Five turnovers by the Ravens against the Bengals, who I
believe at the time were the worst defense in the league.
I went and looked at and they were up seven
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to six. Isaiah likely about to score fumbles out of
the end zone, so instead of fourteen to six, Bengals
get the ball back. Then Lamar fumbles at his own fifteen.
He had a rough game on Thanksgiving. I don't know,
maybe early, I don't know what's going on. Then he
had the red zone pick. I don't think they'll play
that poorly. Bengals will see I don't know what to
expect with this. Joe Burrow these comments. Do you think
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that impacts the locker room at all? Because Jamar Chase
was like, wait what he said?
Speaker 5 (25:13):
What?
Speaker 4 (25:13):
And I just wonder if there's any trickle down from
Burrow's coming.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
His frustration is sending a message to the owner up top.
Speaker 4 (25:22):
Yeah, all right, well I'm going Ravens two and a half.
I'll take them. I think Baltimore wins by Fieldal.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
Tomorrow's headlines today Lions at the La Rams right here
on Fox.
Speaker 4 (25:33):
Great game at SOFI. This is one where the coach
to me is everything. I think this will be a
phenomenal game. The headline for Rams Lions well be x
locks Lions soil selves facing former quarterback Listen, I know
it's a great raw ross spot for Jared Goff and
Dan Campbell. Hey, nobody respects us. We're huge underdogs. We're
(25:55):
a great team. We were almost in the Super Bowl
last year. Just pumped the brakes. I'm worried about Detroit
and the colin for starters McVeigh twenty seven and eleven
in December in his career. You know what that means. Hey,
we got the full season of data. I can make
adjustments to my team, my defense adjusts. These smart young
coaches man him and another one will get too shortly
December their lights out. Now, I look at Detroit's injury situation.
(26:17):
I'm sure you saw that. Terry on Arnold, He's done
for the season. But Kirby Joseph they announced today, doesn't
look like he's coming back. So I look at who's
going to backfill Joseph and it's a young kid like
that was played like seventy snaps. But now he's going
against Pooka and Devonte Adams and the mcveay schemes. The
Rams in their last seven have scored over thirty points
(26:38):
five times. This offense is clicking. I don't see how
the Lions get stops. They can gets ugly. Give me
the Rams tomorrow's headlines today.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
A quietly interesting team that's certainly getting better on both sides.
The stats tell you that Panthers at the Saints on.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
Fall, especially what went down last night. This is a
massive game, Jalison. I know it's not great teams, but
this is fascinating. A real moment for the Panthers. Another rematch.
The headline for Panthers Saints will be enter the Bryce
age Panthers two unlie for Saints. Yeah, I gotta they're
working overtime this week. Calling yes the rematch. Now the Panthers,
(27:14):
I think you mentioned this in your pick. In their
last meeting. He has to Saints. They were coming off
that win, a huge win over the Packers. They come home,
they're lackadaisical. Tyler Schuck beats them. How they have extra
rest and the script is flipped. What did the Saints
do last week? They beat Tampa by just win in
a couple of years. You're writing in New Orleans. Maybe
Tyler Shuck is their franchise quarterback. That's like a real
thing that's happening. I don't think he's doing for two
(27:35):
hundred yards into last three games. Now they're playing better,
but I think the Panthers are the better team. Big
thing in the injury report, Jc Horn top quarterback, He's
back two other defensive starters.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Back from Ranther's defense is massively improved from last year.
Speaker 4 (27:49):
And Dave Kanal is doing wonders with Bryce Young. I
like the Panthers here. I know it's a little bit
of a chalky like. Panthers haven't been favored and won
a game since twenty twenty one. Risky, gimme Carolina tomorrow, Bros.
Headlines today, this should be a really good game. Green
Bay Packers playing well healthy now at receiver against the Broncos. Yeah,
I mentioned coaches. You want to know how Lafleur's done
(28:10):
in December twenty one and four. He's unbelievable. The headline
for Packers Broncos well me mile high more like mile
Cy Parsons pops Bow's balloon. I mean, listen, you know,
and I joke about chat GPT, but you can jump
in there and get decent breakdowns on what these coaches
(28:30):
want to do schematically and everything vance Joseph and the
Broncos do. Lafleur does better. I mean, Joseph wants to
match up man the man on the outside that's not
good against Watson and Jayden Reed keep him down a heater.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
And by the way, Jordan Love is a really good
deep ball thrower.
Speaker 4 (28:45):
Yeah, and listen, Patrick Tretana is excellent defensive player the year.
Last year, he's had his moments where he's gotten cooked.
Go look at that Colts game and I looked, Colts
ran up and down the field against him. Go look
what Jackson Dart did to the Broncos defense. And I
know they've had some injuries. Bo Nix is also gold
Colin mightily against zone because guess what, his legs are
not as effective because the defenders are facing you. Green
(29:06):
Bay can get home with four. I don't think Nicks
has avenues to run the backup running back with Dobbins out.
He's all right, I'm sorry, I'm on the Packers here favorite.
Speaker 5 (29:15):
On the road.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
Finally, Tomorrow's headlines today the fourth game that you and
I at least agree in picking.
Speaker 4 (29:24):
Colts and Philip Rivers. Well, I'm waiting for Rivers to
officially be the starter. Listen, I don't like to give
out double digit favorites. I passed on the Yeah, I
passed on the Texans. I mean, that's an unbelievable bet
this weekend. But uh, for Seahawks Colts, the headline will
be in a van down by the Rivers. Old man
(29:47):
doesn't inspire Colts. A little Foley action. Saturday Night Live,
Sam Darnold as a favorite colin of six or more
eleven and zero straight up again, Sam Darnold is a
favorite of or more eleven or oh straight up, that
is a closer. He's like Tiger Woods with a helmet.
I'm just telling you, guys like this could get ugly fast.
(30:07):
I looked at the Colts secondary, so Kenny Moore is
pretty good. Sauce Gardner out, Tarvarius word third concussion season over.
I look, they got a seventh round pick backing up now,
like who's going to match up with JSN. They're gonna tart.
I mean this again, you never know what's gonna happen
to Forrest Buckner. He's he could come back, but it
doesn't look like it. Cultures just beat up that team.
(30:29):
And did you see the Daniel Jones post about hey man,
it's been a great season. I'm done. He's like sad.
The vibes are just not good around the cults right now.
I know Philip Rivers can try. You know, he's got
the double chin. He's look look like he had a
couple donuts this offseason. I don't see him moving well
against Seattle. They picked their number here. I think Seattle
wins easily. You know, it is the Sam Darnold. It's
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not that Sam. It's nine and two against the spread,
by the way, not so it's not just like, oh, they're.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
Barely winning, but samrham last year and this year he
leaves the NFL wins with two totally different teams, a
defensive coach and offensive coach. I know people always talk about,
oh boy, he'll get reckless. Andrew Luck had a lot
of three interception games. Donald is even more so than
(31:17):
Baker because I think Donald's high end is better than Baker.
He's a bigger, more athletic guy. I think he's got
a big arm. The Darnald story is encouraging. And I've
told you with Nil and some of these college quarterbacks
like Dante Moore may stay in college. They're like eight
teams that need a quarterback, These mid level guys, Baker, Sam.
Speaker 4 (31:40):
Gino, Matt Jones.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
I think I think Kyler Murray's gonna get paid by somebody.
I think Mac Jones somebody's gonna trade for him. Jmck
if you need a quarterback in this league, you're a
GM on the hot seat and a coach on the
hot seat. And everybody in this league not named Andy
Reid er Sean McVay, you're one awful season from the
owner you know sitting down with you. I'll say it again,
(32:02):
watch Mac, Somebody's gonna take a swing and trade for
Mac Chains.
Speaker 4 (32:05):
Philip Rivers speaks to the desperation. I just will I
know some people are like you, guys are crazy. Fourteen's
too much. Just remember when Joe Flacco came off the
couch his first game disaster. Okay, Josh Thubbs can come
out of NASA or wherever he was, and he could
because he's running around and making place. These guys are
statues in the pocket. The speed of this game, it's
gonna be too much for Rivers man, and I like Rivers.
(32:25):
He'll probably do fine in a couple weeks. But this
is a terrible spot.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
I outside of Houston, could you face a worse team
than the aggressive, young athletic Seahawks.
Speaker 4 (32:35):
By the way, Arizona's facing Houston, their left tackle just
ruled out Barras Johnson's That.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
Was I almost that was a game I thought. I
don't like taking big favor. That's why I took the
under on this game. I think Seattle wants to get
out clean fast, no injuries, rams around the corner.
Speaker 4 (32:50):
All right, great job this week. First Things First.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
Is coming up next live from New York. Be safe,
Happy holidays.
Speaker 4 (32:57):
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Jmax picks in thirty minutes. First though, Eric Mangini, Jets
Brown's former head coach now with Fox Sports, is joining
us live. So as somebody who lives in Cleveland, the
Shaduur Sanders you know story, considering he has the lowest
rated receiving core and a bottom three oer line, I've
(00:49):
actually been impressed. Now, Cleveland doesn't always have you know,
they get a little hot on their quarterbacks, right Like,
I'm sure they're not measured in nuanced with take, but
what is the feeling he's a big play quarterback. I mean,
I trust my eyes. He's looked pretty good. He's not
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working with much offensively. What have you made of him?
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Yeah, So going into the draft, everybody felt Shador was
going to be drafted significantly higher. And I think a
lot of people in Cleveland felt Shador was going to
be drafted to Cleveland significantly higher. So then when he
ended up being here and got drafted after Dylan Gabriel,
there was frustration on the fan basis part because they
(01:35):
were told how good this player was, and so then
he sat, he sat, And now he's finally getting an
opportunity to play, and he's definitely getting graded on a
curve Colin because when you look at the Tennessee game,
he made some really good plays, and then he made
some plays that you think, Okay, this is going to
be a problem. That one interception that he threw was
(01:55):
just ridiculous. He shouldn't have done that. And then you know,
the sacks were an issue in college and I think
they're going to continue to be an issue in pro football.
But the plays that he makes outside the pocket, those
are exciting. And as you said, in Cleveland, there's such
a desperation for any optimism at quarterback that the game
(02:16):
last week, even in a loss to Tennessee, was still
really exciting to most people.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
It does matter when you play in a city like
Cleveland that starved for wins, or let's take Buffalo, where
you know you have the Sabers, but it's at Bill's town.
And I said, if they lose to New England, the
headline Monday is going to be Vrabel wins Division year one,
the second year quarterback. And I mean Greg Cozell was
on this week and said, I don't love Buffalo's roster.
(02:44):
It's hard to spot great players beyond Josh Allen when
you watch tape. And I said, this game is way
bigger Monday morning getting swept by Vrabel when you have
the best quarterback in the league in Josh Allen. Now,
you lived in New York, where there's a million in
sports teams, but Cleveland when you were.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
There, Browns are big.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Your take on, let's just say Buffalo loses this weekend.
You've lived in that world where talk radio things get ugly.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
People take me too. What it could be like for McDermott.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
Yeah, it can be really hard this year, especially because
it looks like we're not going to have Mahomes in
the playoffs. It looks like we're not potentially not going
to have Lamar Jackson in the playoffs. We're not going
to have Joe Burrow in the playoffs. So the only
real Superman left in the AFC is Josh Allen, and
if this year would be the ideal year to be
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able to have that number one seed with all these
other stars and franchises that you've had problems with essentially eliminated,
and now within your own division, you've got a second
year quarterback and not a first time head coach, but
a first year head coach and Mike in New England
and they're going to win the division.
Speaker 5 (03:59):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
I think Buffalo is going to win the game, Colin,
and I think that the last time they played New England,
they didn't take New England very seriously. Remember Buffalo was
riding that eleven game home win streak they'd won I
think five in a row. New England was was sort
of milling around, and they had eleven penalties. It was
(04:21):
a lot of things that just made it look like
they look past New England, which isn't going to be
the case this game, and I think Buffalo ends up
winning it.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
So you were with the Patriots and you know, dynasties
are rare, but it's just as hard to maintain them
as it is to build them. Once you start paying
the quarterback. And Kansas City looks like they won't make
the playoffs. And frankly, they've got two or three really
great players, you know, McDuffie, Creed, Humphrey Mahomes. But Chris
(04:51):
Jones looks like he's aged, Travis Kelsey is aged, they're online.
They have major problems at all over it, but especially
a tackle. What do you think the secret was to
extend that dynasty? Because even when New England wasn't winning
super Bowls, they were good and winning the division. Is
some of this just Sean Payton and Jim Harbaugh showed
up in your neighborhood or is it a roster regression?
Speaker 4 (05:14):
Like what was the secret sauce to you? Beyond? Because
they've got Red.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
And Mahomes, you had Brady and Belichick and you kept winning.
And I mean, you tell me what you see with
Kansas City.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
Well, in fairness to Kansas City comments, what three straight
super Bowl runs and they won.
Speaker 5 (05:31):
Two out of three? That's hard.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
Those extended off seasons are really hard on the team.
And then you come back and you do it again.
So they win two straight. Then they've got a chance
last year to win three straight. So that's three off
seasons that have been dramatically shortened. You don't get the
high draft picks, and it can be extremely challenging and
it wears you down. And I think that's what we're
(05:56):
seeing right now is this is an off year. And
it's been a really off year for Patrick Mahomes. His
sub twenty quarterback rating that was lower than any quarterback
rating Tom ever got in his twenty three year career.
So and he struggled here now for well over a month.
But as long as they have Patrick Mahomes every single year,
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they're going to have a chance to win the Super Bowl.
Like forget about the rest of the players. They're going
to need other good players. But as long as you
have that player, just like as long as we had
Tom Brady, you always had a chance, they're going to
have a chance. They just may need a little bit
of a real offseason and a little bit more of
a reset. And I think next year we're going to
(06:39):
be talking about him again being the mix for the
AC championship in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
A lot of discussion about how talented Caleb Williams is,
but how low is completion percentage is. And I do
think there's a fine line on letting a star be
a star and understanding they're gonna have a few more picks.
They're more aggressive. Brett Farbes just an aggressive player, and
I think Josh Allen he's an aggressive player. How troubled
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would you be with Caleb at fifty eight percent? Is
there a line you want to get up to? Because
we see him make incredibly difficult throws. We know he's
got all sorts of horse power. He may have the
strongest arm in the league. We know he's wildly evasive.
Where are you on his completion issues?
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Yeah, Look, I don't love a fifty eight percent completion.
You'd probably want to be somewhere. I think the league
average is about sixty four percent, So that's that the
low point.
Speaker 5 (07:35):
That's that's what we're gunning for.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
What I really like that Caleb's done is how dramatically
he's changed the number of sacks that he's taken. Think
about last year, the volume of sacks this guy took.
And we could kill the offensive line, and we can
kill the offensive coordinator, and I get all that, but
a lot of those sacks were on him, and he's
doing a much better job. And Ben Johnson's doing a
(07:58):
really good job with him of not turning a bad
play into a really bad play to where now you're
you know, second and fifteen or whatever it is. So
that's been great, huge progress there. He protects the ball
pretty well. That's that's really really good. Yeah, the completion
percentage I think will continue to creep up as he
(08:20):
understands defenses better, as he continues to understand the offense better.
But he's corrected two pretty significant problems that we saw
last year with the Saxon and you know, just a
propensity for turnovers. They're not perfect, but a huge progress.
So I'm really encouraged by him.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
All right, before we go to our video the Eagles,
I thought it was cringey, had this positivity bunny and
maybe if you were on a six game winning streak
it's funny, but when you're losing, it seems desperate.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
What'd you make of it?
Speaker 5 (08:58):
I don't know who put it up.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
So, you know, sometimes the offensive lineman or you know,
a group will put something in the locker room and
there it can be really cringey, or it can be
funny and they think it's funny, but the rest of
the world thinks it's cringey. You you don't love the
fact that they put it up, and then it becomes
a national story, and then they lose the game, and
(09:20):
it's it's now lay it's it's something where there should
be nothing. And and I do imagine that it was
probably just a you know, a throwaway sort of sort
of light hearted thing that that somebody thought was going
to be hit that now becomes a much bigger story
because they're on a three game losing streak. I can't
(09:41):
imagine this was Sirianni saying, hey, fellas, you know we
need in the locker room a positivity bunny.
Speaker 5 (09:47):
That that's the answer.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
So I don't know who was responsible for it, but
I'm glad it's gone.
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So I suggested, I said, what I Philip Rivers. You
watch Kirk Cousins, and Kirk Cousins is dealing why because
he never relied on athleticism. Tom Brady forty four years old,
dealon Matt Stafford thirty seven. Aaron's been pretty good, not
quite as good because he did rely somewhat on his athleticism.
(10:52):
Yet a guy like Cam Newton ages really fast. People
are suggesting Lamar Jackson is aging really fast. So I
look at Philip Rivers and I'm like, he didn't running
his prime. He was probably the least athletic quarterback in
the league his last four years. His last year in
Indy he was great. And I'm like, listen, they got
a good run game, a good old line.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
You don't want.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
I'm sitting there for seven seconds. I could see a
world where he stabilizes the offense.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
Am I nuts?
Speaker 3 (11:23):
I think you might be nuts. You're absolutely right in
the fact that he's the quarterbacks that have not had
to rely on their feet throughout the course of their career.
Aged so much better than running quarterbacks because they've had
to consistently find a second pitch when the first answer
wasn't there. We're running quarterbacks. When it's not there, they
(11:44):
take off. But the father time gets you with that.
The difference here to me with Philip Rivers versus when
Joe Flacco first got brought in by the Browns after
sitting out through November is Joe Flacco had played the
year before. Joe Flacco was thirty eight. Phillips forty four,
just turned forty four. He hasn't played in five years,
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and Joe Flacco he played after thirteen games or thirteen
days on the team. We're talking about four days on
the team.
Speaker 5 (12:12):
So he's coming.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
Off the couch after five years at forty four years old,
with very little time to practice against a salty defense
that pressures a ton.
Speaker 5 (12:24):
I understand he knows the.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
System and that's a huge benefit not just for him
but for everybody around him. But this is a rough
unit that he's going to be rolled.
Speaker 5 (12:35):
Out there against.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
I don't love it, Colin. I hope it ends up
like a Disney movie.
Speaker 5 (12:42):
I hope it ends up.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
Nice or like a Hallmark movie for the holidays, you know,
the coach comes out and saves the team.
Speaker 5 (12:50):
But it could be rough.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
Yeah, you're probably right. I'm trying to be optimistic, you know. Okay, Yeah,
I've said Listen, when Jordan Love was in college, people
thought he was reckless, and then he sat for three years,
and then his first five or six games he was awful,
and then he was good.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
Then he got hurt.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
But he does check certain boxes arm athleticism, size, appears
to be incredibly coachable, aggressive, he'll throw the ball downfield.
I know you got some film on him this week.
I like him, and I think all this stuff is
not linear, right, Like it's turbulent.
Speaker 4 (13:24):
You don't know.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
I mean Matt Lafleur when he first started after sitting
for three years, was really impatient with him. He's like,
we're not good. Now he's really good.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
What do you see?
Speaker 5 (13:35):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (13:35):
The thing that I've always saw with Jordan Love is
when he's good, Colin, he's really really good. You know,
he gets he doesn't get eight pluses, he gets eight
plus pluses. But when he's been bad, he's been more
of a C type student. That's that's gotten a little
bit better. His bad games haven't been as bad, and
his good games are still as good as they've been.
But that inconsistency overall.
Speaker 5 (13:58):
I don't love.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
But he's on a a bit of a heater right now.
And when I went back and looked at at the
Bears game, I thought it was not only him, but
I thought they did a really good job as an
offensive staff of attacking the Bears.
Speaker 5 (14:12):
So let's take a look at the table.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
I'm gonna show you the first touchdown that he threw
in the game, and this formation ends up being the
same formation they use for the second touchdown as well.
So they've got the back of the tight end. They're
both to the right side here. They're going to stay
in the block so that with the five offensive linemen,
they're going to block seven.
Speaker 5 (14:30):
So they're going to.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
Max protect it for Jordan Love, anticipating that the Bears
are going to bring some kind of heat.
Speaker 5 (14:36):
Now, they've got all three.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
Wide receivers on the left side, so if the corners
come over, they know whether it's man or zone, and they're.
Speaker 5 (14:42):
Going to run a curl outside.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
They're gonna run a curl where he sits it with
the ball inside. Again, if they have pressure, that gives
them easy answers. But if they've got it blocked up,
they're going to take Watson and they're going to run
him down the middle of the field. So they've got
the max protection, they've got answers with routes, and then
they also have the option to throw it. Now the Bears,
they've got their four down linemen, they're coming. Then they're
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going to take a cornerback, a linebacker and the cornerback
who's over the third wide receiver, and they're gonna bring
all three of those guys, so they're rushing seven. So
Green Bay was right. The Bears are bringing pressure. What
that means is those defensive backs are locked on the
three wide receive wide receivers man and man, and the
tight end man and man, and they've got no help.
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So now as the pressure starts to come, what you're
going to see is the tight end stays in the block.
He's going to block the blitzing defensive back, which means
they're seven blockers are going to block the Bears seven blitzers.
And now Johnson, he's the free guy. He's got to go.
He's look at the path. He's got a free path
to Jordan Love. He doesn't go. He's the eighth guy.
(15:47):
He's the free guy, which means now all these defensive
backs are getting sold out. Look at the pocket that
Jordan Love has. He said, this is the Max blitzing,
and it looks like he's got all day. So now
Watson is going to be able to walk up on
the defensive back, break his leverage, and and take a
look at the amount of field that he has to
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run away from the safety. This shouldn't happen with a
Max pressure. But because Johnson doesn't go after they block
it up, then Jordan Love is able to throw it.
Speaker 5 (16:16):
He's able to.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
Throw it away from the from from the coverage, and
it's it's it's a really good throw by Love. It's
it's a really well execuecuted play overall. And and they
end up doing it a little bit later in the
second quarter and hit another touchdown out of that same
exact formation, just a little bit different pattern. So collectively,
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Love and and the offensive scheme we're both very have
been very good of late.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
One of the reasons I like a Darnald or a
Jordan Love. I loved Andrew Locke is that if you blitz,
they will punish you. I would blitz all day if
you never punish me. I'll tell if you if I
blitz and you beat me for an eight yard completion Chicago,
they brought the pressure and he burned them twice in
that game. And so that's why I've always said, I'll
(17:05):
deal with some interceptions you. I'll deal with intercept Andrew
Luck through a lot, Darnold's Peyton manning through them, but
I need to burn you if you do blitz me.
And I think that's what Green Bay does, and I
think the really good teams do. Mahomes did that for
years too.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
Yeah, And it's not just the quarterback being able to
recognize that stuff and take advantage of it, but then
also the the offensive staff or the offensive coordinator also
understanding how to really attack that then and how to
educate the quarterback. I'm where to exploit those weaknesses when
you blitz, and and that's always a huge risk of takes.
A defensive coordinator is somebody's band's going to play. It's
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either our band or their band when we bring this pressure,
and the good quarterbacks, you know, their band plays way
more often than the defenses.
Speaker 4 (17:49):
Does Eric man JINGI good seeing coach.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
Great seeing you talk to you soon, Colin.
Speaker 4 (17:54):
All right, Jmack with the news.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Now this is the herd Line news.
Speaker 4 (18:02):
All right, let's get started with the AFC East. It's
hanging in the balance, Patriots Bills, the big showdown we've
been talking about all week. Buffalo lost the first meeting,
but could extend the possibility of the Patriots stumbling to
open the divisional race. Josh Allen, he knows what's at stake.
Speaker 7 (18:20):
We're doing everything that we can to prepare as hard
as we can to go out there next quot as
well as we can on Sunday. You know, we think
we understand as the team.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
What's at stake, but I.
Speaker 7 (18:33):
Don't think that's gonna influencing anything. It's the next game.
It's the biggest game that we have because it's the
next one.
Speaker 4 (18:42):
So a lot of people Colin are saying, oh, it
must win. Listen. Obviously it'd be nice to win for
the Bills. I like them here. If they don't and
they get a wild card spot, these are the three
division winners that you're looking at facing in the first round.
Broncos are Patriots. Whoever doesn't get to one Jacksonville and
Pittsburgh Buffalo is still going to be favored.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
That Bill's not a great matchup because Jacksonville runs the ball.
Jacksonville's run game has been pretty good.
Speaker 4 (19:06):
Yeah, they got ETN. I just if I'm the Bills, obviously,
I think they win this weekend. But I don't think
it's the end of the world. If you're a wild
card team.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
I think a lot of it is in the building.
Vrabel comes into the division, sweeps you with young drag
Day who's not in his prime. That doesn't play well
the Bills owners upstairs thinking first year New England's arguably
still in a semi rebuild.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
Okay, let's talk through this. Bills lose this game, losing
the first round. Whatever do you move? You move off
McDermott and the GM.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
I move off McDermott. I have long discussions with the GM.
Speaker 4 (19:44):
Okay, I don't know if here's the problem, Colin, where
are you going to find a great candidate out there?
Speaker 1 (19:49):
I'd go find an offensive coach. There's a coordinator at
a football team near to you.
Speaker 4 (19:56):
I just think the market is a little bleak, like
even think of the good offen into Seattle's offense is
popping where else are Like.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
By the way, by the way, I have Josh Allen,
Kevin O'Connell, we'll pay the rest of your contract in Minnesota.
Speaker 4 (20:13):
Let me tell you something.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
If Josh Allen's your quarterback, every good offense to the
guy in the LEGE.
Speaker 4 (20:18):
Will take a call. You got to take a call.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Okay, dan Abel by the way, he's already coached there.
Speaker 4 (20:23):
Yeah he was. He's apparently the guy who saved Allan.
But we'll see. Oh, Stefanski, how about that is a
fit If the Browns run him off, which would be dumb.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
There'll be no shortage of top offensive guys for Josh Allen.
Speaker 4 (20:35):
Sevanski would be the yeah, yeah, all right. Next up,
we got to go back to the Chiefs. I like
what Mangini had to say about about Patrick Mahomes. Mind
blowing stats. Colin, how about this one. They have an
NFL worst six losses when they're favored this season. Yeah,
that is not good. The market's overvaluing them, right because
everybody just thinks it's reading Mahomes. They're gonna be fine.
(20:56):
So they're five and a half point favorites when they
play the Chargers. We have a list of their losses.
Is a favorite, okay, and they're all close games, well
except Houston. The Chargers in the opener in I think Brazil,
remember they lost that Justin Herbert was nailed on the
final drive. The Jacksonville loss, which we Monday bullied a
little bit.
Speaker 5 (21:14):
That one.
Speaker 4 (21:14):
Yeah, yeah, the Buffalo loss. I expected there was a
tough one to Denver. I think a lot of people
thought the Chiefs were the side there, the one at Dallas,
which still remains perplexing. That Thanksgiving loss, and then Houston
last week, which wasn't a one score game. But that
just tells me when they play good teams, they don't
have as many good players. And Patrick Mahomes is not
doing stuff that he used to do during his prime.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
My eyes, your eyes don't lie. Houston had better players
last week. Yeah, Longer, more athletic, getting to the quarterback
more consistently.
Speaker 4 (21:44):
Can you remind me how many times did Tom Brady
missed the playoffs when he was a new I think
I might have asked you that every day this week.
I'm trying to send a message Chiefs fans. All right,
final story, Let's go to the Miami Dolphins, one of
the quieter turnaround stories in the league. Absolutely, you know
they won five or six. I mean people had buried
buried myself included McDaniel. There was that game in London
(22:06):
where he went for it on fourth down, like kick
the field goal, win the damn game. They ended up
winning in overtime. But Monday night, Colin in Pittsburgh, we
got an early weather report high of twenty two degrees
and there could be snow. Tua was asked about the
weather report, what do you think? Twas said, it's football.
(22:31):
I guess they told you about it. Yeah, Tua obviously
playing all the saying all the right things, right, The
reality is they've really struggled in inclement weather.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
No.
Speaker 4 (22:41):
Now, they did win against the Jets Vicesburgh. Is the
side here? Well, TJ Watt, I'm sure you read the story.
He's got like a lung thing within the hospital. Ain't
no way he's playing sunny. Sorry like that. JJ Watt's
out there chiming in on it now like we're thankful
my brother's Okay. I do like the Dolphins, but two
in cold weather two and seven passer rating of seventy nine.
(23:03):
It was the Jets last week.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
Let's simmer down at Jmack the News.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
Well, that's the news, and thanks for stopping by The.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Herd line Morrow's headlines today the Picks Next.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays
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Speaker 1 (23:36):
Well, it's week fifteen to the NFL season playoff implications
heating up. Teams are on the bubble, fighting for relevance,
division leaders trying to protect their spots. Jmack believes he
knows how it will all shake out. First up, I've
already made my pick on this one. Raven's trying to rebound.
Bengals trying to spoil tomorrow's headlines Today, Ravens and the Bengals.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
It's just tough. A couple themes This weekend rematches are big.
I'm betting on a lot of coaches who are dominant
in December. This one, this is a tough one. Ravens Bengals,
a rematch from Thanksgiving. The headline will be lamar and order, defense, arrests,
offense restores AFC. Now again, everybody out there saying basically
(24:27):
the same thing. Baltimore's broken, Lamar's slow, Warren Buffett the
great investor. Hey, everybody's fleeing, that's the time to jump in.
I'm trying to buy Baltimore low here, Okay, I do
believe we see a better effort than what we saw
on Thanksgiving. Colin. I went back and read that game.
Five turnovers by the Ravens against the Bengals, who I
believe at the time were the worst defense in the league.
I went and looked at and they were up seven
(24:48):
to six. Isaiah likely about to score fumbles out of
the end zone, so instead of fourteen to six, Bengals
get the ball back. Then Lamar fumbles at his own fifteen.
He had a rough game on Thanksgiving. I don't know,
maybe early, I don't know what's going on. Then he
had the red zone pick. I don't think they'll play
that poorly. Bengals will see I don't know what to
expect with this. Joe Burrow these comments. Do you think
(25:08):
that impacts the locker room at all? Because Jamar Chase
was like, wait what he said?
Speaker 5 (25:13):
What?
Speaker 4 (25:13):
And I just wonder if there's any trickle down from
Burrow's coming.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
His frustration is sending a message to the owner up top.
Speaker 4 (25:22):
Yeah, all right, well I'm going Ravens two and a half.
I'll take them. I think Baltimore wins by Fieldal.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
Tomorrow's headlines today Lions at the La Rams right here
on Fox.
Speaker 4 (25:33):
Great game at SOFI. This is one where the coach
to me is everything. I think this will be a
phenomenal game. The headline for Rams Lions well be x
locks Lions soil selves facing former quarterback Listen, I know
it's a great raw ross spot for Jared Goff and
Dan Campbell. Hey, nobody respects us. We're huge underdogs. We're
(25:55):
a great team. We were almost in the Super Bowl
last year. Just pumped the brakes. I'm worried about Detroit
and the colin for starters McVeigh twenty seven and eleven
in December in his career. You know what that means. Hey,
we got the full season of data. I can make
adjustments to my team, my defense adjusts. These smart young
coaches man him and another one will get too shortly
December their lights out. Now, I look at Detroit's injury situation.
(26:17):
I'm sure you saw that. Terry on Arnold, He's done
for the season. But Kirby Joseph they announced today, doesn't
look like he's coming back. So I look at who's
going to backfill Joseph and it's a young kid like
that was played like seventy snaps. But now he's going
against Pooka and Devonte Adams and the mcveay schemes. The
Rams in their last seven have scored over thirty points
(26:38):
five times. This offense is clicking. I don't see how
the Lions get stops. They can gets ugly. Give me
the Rams tomorrow's headlines today.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
A quietly interesting team that's certainly getting better on both sides.
The stats tell you that Panthers at the Saints on.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
Fall, especially what went down last night. This is a
massive game, Jalison. I know it's not great teams, but
this is fascinating. A real moment for the Panthers. Another rematch.
The headline for Panthers Saints will be enter the Bryce
age Panthers two unlie for Saints. Yeah, I gotta they're
working overtime this week. Calling yes the rematch. Now the Panthers,
(27:14):
I think you mentioned this in your pick. In their
last meeting. He has to Saints. They were coming off
that win, a huge win over the Packers. They come home,
they're lackadaisical. Tyler Schuck beats them. How they have extra
rest and the script is flipped. What did the Saints
do last week? They beat Tampa by just win in
a couple of years. You're writing in New Orleans. Maybe
Tyler Shuck is their franchise quarterback. That's like a real
thing that's happening. I don't think he's doing for two
(27:35):
hundred yards into last three games. Now they're playing better,
but I think the Panthers are the better team. Big
thing in the injury report, Jc Horn top quarterback, He's
back two other defensive starters.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Back from Ranther's defense is massively improved from last year.
Speaker 4 (27:49):
And Dave Kanal is doing wonders with Bryce Young. I
like the Panthers here. I know it's a little bit
of a chalky like. Panthers haven't been favored and won
a game since twenty twenty one. Risky, gimme Carolina tomorrow, Bros.
Headlines today, this should be a really good game. Green
Bay Packers playing well healthy now at receiver against the Broncos. Yeah,
I mentioned coaches. You want to know how Lafleur's done
(28:10):
in December twenty one and four. He's unbelievable. The headline
for Packers Broncos well me mile high more like mile
Cy Parsons pops Bow's balloon. I mean, listen, you know,
and I joke about chat GPT, but you can jump
in there and get decent breakdowns on what these coaches
(28:30):
want to do schematically and everything vance Joseph and the
Broncos do. Lafleur does better. I mean, Joseph wants to
match up man the man on the outside that's not
good against Watson and Jayden Reed keep him down a heater.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
And by the way, Jordan Love is a really good
deep ball thrower.
Speaker 4 (28:45):
Yeah, and listen, Patrick Tretana is excellent defensive player the year.
Last year, he's had his moments where he's gotten cooked.
Go look at that Colts game and I looked, Colts
ran up and down the field against him. Go look
what Jackson Dart did to the Broncos defense. And I
know they've had some injuries. Bo Nix is also gold
Colin mightily against zone because guess what, his legs are
not as effective because the defenders are facing you. Green
(29:06):
Bay can get home with four. I don't think Nicks
has avenues to run the backup running back with Dobbins out.
He's all right, I'm sorry, I'm on the Packers here favorite.
Speaker 5 (29:15):
On the road.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
Finally, Tomorrow's headlines today the fourth game that you and
I at least agree in picking.
Speaker 4 (29:24):
Colts and Philip Rivers. Well, I'm waiting for Rivers to
officially be the starter. Listen, I don't like to give
out double digit favorites. I passed on the Yeah, I
passed on the Texans. I mean, that's an unbelievable bet
this weekend. But uh, for Seahawks Colts, the headline will
be in a van down by the Rivers. Old man
(29:47):
doesn't inspire Colts. A little Foley action. Saturday Night Live,
Sam Darnold as a favorite colin of six or more
eleven and zero straight up again, Sam Darnold is a
favorite of or more eleven or oh straight up, that
is a closer. He's like Tiger Woods with a helmet.
I'm just telling you, guys like this could get ugly fast.
(30:07):
I looked at the Colts secondary, so Kenny Moore is
pretty good. Sauce Gardner out, Tarvarius word third concussion season over.
I look, they got a seventh round pick backing up now,
like who's going to match up with JSN. They're gonna tart.
I mean this again, you never know what's gonna happen
to Forrest Buckner. He's he could come back, but it
doesn't look like it. Cultures just beat up that team.
(30:29):
And did you see the Daniel Jones post about hey man,
it's been a great season. I'm done. He's like sad.
The vibes are just not good around the cults right now.
I know Philip Rivers can try. You know, he's got
the double chin. He's look look like he had a
couple donuts this offseason. I don't see him moving well
against Seattle. They picked their number here. I think Seattle
wins easily. You know, it is the Sam Darnold. It's
(30:52):
not that Sam. It's nine and two against the spread,
by the way, not so it's not just like, oh, they're.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
Barely winning, but samrham last year and this year he
leaves the NFL wins with two totally different teams, a
defensive coach and offensive coach. I know people always talk about,
oh boy, he'll get reckless. Andrew Luck had a lot
of three interception games. Donald is even more so than
(31:17):
Baker because I think Donald's high end is better than Baker.
He's a bigger, more athletic guy. I think he's got
a big arm. The Darnald story is encouraging. And I've
told you with Nil and some of these college quarterbacks
like Dante Moore may stay in college. They're like eight
teams that need a quarterback, These mid level guys, Baker, Sam.
Speaker 4 (31:40):
Gino, Matt Jones.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
I think I think Kyler Murray's gonna get paid by somebody.
I think Mac Jones somebody's gonna trade for him. Jmck
if you need a quarterback in this league, you're a
GM on the hot seat and a coach on the
hot seat. And everybody in this league not named Andy
Reid er Sean McVay, you're one awful season from the
owner you know sitting down with you. I'll say it again,
(32:02):
watch Mac, Somebody's gonna take a swing and trade for
Mac Chains.
Speaker 4 (32:05):
Philip Rivers speaks to the desperation. I just will I
know some people are like you, guys are crazy. Fourteen's
too much. Just remember when Joe Flacco came off the
couch his first game disaster. Okay, Josh Thubbs can come
out of NASA or wherever he was, and he could
because he's running around and making place. These guys are
statues in the pocket. The speed of this game, it's
gonna be too much for Rivers man, and I like Rivers.
(32:25):
He'll probably do fine in a couple weeks. But this
is a terrible spot.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
I outside of Houston, could you face a worse team
than the aggressive, young athletic Seahawks.
Speaker 4 (32:35):
By the way, Arizona's facing Houston, their left tackle just
ruled out Barras Johnson's That.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
Was I almost that was a game I thought. I
don't like taking big favor. That's why I took the
under on this game. I think Seattle wants to get
out clean fast, no injuries, rams around the corner.
Speaker 4 (32:50):
All right, great job this week. First Things First.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
Is coming up next live from New York. Be safe,
Happy holidays.
Speaker 4 (32:57):
It's the hurt
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