Former head coach and Fox Sports analyst Urban Meyer joins Colin and discusses the upcoming next round of the college football playoffs, including expectations for Oregon, what Ohio State will do with Ryan Day calling plays now and whether teams like Tulane and James Madison belong in the playoffs. You only have so long with a star quarterback, and Colin wonders if the door is closing for the Ravens while the Chiefs are heading for a rebuild, not a retool.
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Here we go, Final hour, Urban Myers around the Corner
Man Niners tonight, I'm rolling with the Niners, God Blazing five.
I don't know what you guys are doing on Friday.
You may want to drop by the Old radio TV show. Seriously,
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we need another fire extinguis sure in this room till hot? Wait?
Speaker 3 (00:53):
So, coward, are you doing picks for this week on
Wednesday or Friday? Because there's three games on Christmas Day?
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Will you include those in the past? Let me think
about it. Okay, let me think about it.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
I hope I can play by those rules as well
for headlines because I'm looking, I'm like, I don't know
if I can get picks by Wednesday.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Oh, I know, when you only have so many games,
you know, I didn't think yesterday was going to be
that interesting, but then Saturday night was so unbelievable, and
then you're watching New England last night was great, and
then the I mean that just you know, the league's
always entertaining. What can you say, I'm always entertained. Aaron
Rodgers and the Steelers hello held off the Lions, already
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controlled the game and to expand their division lead in
the AFC North.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
And I've said this from the beginning.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Although Aaron Rodgers is merely duct tape for this offense,
he and Mike Tomlin they make it work.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
So it's getting better.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Aaron Rodgers said, you know, get me my guys, MBS
adam feeling. And you know it's typical Steeler fashion, a
wide receiver, eye maintenance, drama.
Speaker 4 (02:02):
You know, you gotta always deal with that.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
And despite the fact that at two hundred and thirty
to fifteen rush advantage, they had to hold on for dear.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
Life, it was Pittsburgh.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
But I will say this about Aaron, He's just a
lot of quarterback play is just getting you out of trouble.
He's made the offense slicker and smarter. You know, he
just he takes what's available, not a lot of negative plays.
Right now, Aaron Rodgers leads the entire NFL in fastest release.
He's getting rid of the ball faster than any other quarterback.
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He's forty two. He doesn't want to get hit and
he doesn't want that Steeler O line to get into
trouble because they really don't have the kind of receiving
core or consistent run game that had yesterday. They can
get them out of trouble. So Aaron's like, give me
the ball, let's get it out, stay ahead of the chains.
I feel like Aaron has become like the oil, the
lubrication for an offensive machine, where the gears for the
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last seven years have been getting stuck. And he just
comes in, get rid of the ball, audible to the
right play, take what's available, don't get greedy. It's really smart.
And by the way, this is the most impressed I've
been with Aaron Rodgers in a long time.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
Well, what about green Bay? Everybody wins in green Bay.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Help Malik Willis looked great last Saturday, Aaron Rodgers, Jordan Love,
Brett Farff, everybody looks good in green Bay. A quarterbacks,
backups come in. Malik Willis their dynamic. This offense Pittsburgh
for seven years, they can't run the ball, the old
line doesn't work. They you know, turnstyle offensive coordinator.
Speaker 4 (03:37):
Aaron gets the credit for this. He gets the credit.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
The longer this goes on this season, last three weeks,
brings his friends in a wide receiver. It's just it works.
Jalen Warren two forty five yard runs dominate the Lions.
Lions have their own problems, but you know here's you got.
Lamar Jackson can't stay healthy. You got Joe Burrow can't
stay healthy. And Aaron's forty two, and he's like, I'm
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staying healthy. I'm gonna be available for my team. So
he's just done all the little things. Well, it's amazing
what coaching can do, or really smart veteran quarterback play.
It's not always what they do, it's what they don't do.
They don't throw picks, they don't take bad sacks. You know,
they audible in and out of trouble and into advantages.
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So Mike Tomlin, you know, you say what you want.
And I've had my grievances with Mike Tomlin. Here they
are again looking at a potential division championship.
Speaker 5 (04:34):
Thankful of the fight and to win. And we'll keep
pushing because that's what you got to do this time
of year, win or lose. You got to keep pushing,
and we will. We're coming in to mart to watch
the tape. We ain't got time for victory Monday's and
that's what I told the team.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
Okay, now let's go to the team that lost.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
Detroit One.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Coach one has really changed the direction of two franchises
in the same division. Ben Johnson used to be at
Detroit and while were they dynamic, the craziest third and
fourth down team in the league, look at him now.
He left and went to Chicago and the Bears are
eleven and four and the best fourth quarter team in
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the NFL for the record of the Cowboys weren't interested
in Ben Johnson. Congratulations, But the Bears who have poor ownership,
I mean like literally the poorest ownership and years of
dysfunction upstairs, and you watch them.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
Yeah, it's been a work in progress.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
But I've heard this before from athletes, the great athletes,
and Caleb Williams is a generational talent.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
He is special.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
They want Caleb Williams wanted to be coach hard. He said,
there's nobody to watch film with me. He wanted to
be coach hard. He wanted somebody to get on him
and enter Ben Johnson. I mean, Patrick Mahomes didn't become
Patrick Mahomes because Andy Reid pandered and they disagree.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
The volume goes up.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
So and Caleb's got an ability to make the hard
look easy, and sometimes the easy looks a little difficult.
But the entire Bears organization, you know again, once you
get the coach right Rabel in New England, Sean Payton
and Denver Jim Harbaugh. With the Chargers, Ben Johnson, it
doesn't take long. Literally, it takes like six to eight weeks.
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You build a staff, you get the planning, and then
slowly but surely you get into week six, week nine,
week twelve, week fifteen, you look up, this is a
really good team. They do all the things that winning
teams do. They win the turnover battle, they run the football.
They've been lucky a little bit with health, mostly a
very healthy team.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
They don't have negative plays.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
So you're seeing the same thing in New England with Rabel,
Sean Payton, Jim Harbaugh. I mean, last year the Bears
just a simple thing. Last year, do you remember this,
The Bears were the worst fourth quarter team in the league,
they couldn't even script plays appropriately.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
Now third best, So.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
They start smartly, they finish strongly, and again they've just
gotten out of the stuff that loses games, no turnovers,
no negative plays. The operation, the basic fundamentals looks organized.
And then of course you have Caleb Williams, who really
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is a unique talent. Here's the walkoff touchdown?
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Are the fake Williams looking downfield?
Speaker 6 (07:37):
Looks to downfield?
Speaker 4 (07:38):
Good DJ more.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
And great coaches are like great movie directors. You gotta
let the star kind of do his thing, however, with
a clear identity of what the movie is and what
the game plan is. And people are gonna say, well,
I mean the Bears got a little bit lucky. They
recovered the on side kick, no time out. They also
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had two game winning drives, and they also in overtime
stop the Packers. So it's not just well, teams block
punts all the time, teams recover on sidekicks. What do
you do with the opportunities presented and well coached?
Speaker 4 (08:31):
Last night, New England could have lost that puppy.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
New England maybe gets a big interception or a fumble recovery, Well,
what do they do with it?
Speaker 4 (08:40):
Well?
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Coached teams take advantage of those little breaks that every
team in the league gets. Yep, the onside kick. Gotta
be honest, that kind of surprised me. But it's what
they did with it. And here's Caleb.
Speaker 7 (08:54):
After I got the best coach in the world, let's
put it. Let's put it that way. And we have
the best coaching staff in the world. And so you
put the talent with the coaches and the people that care.
You can strive for anything, you can reach anything, you can.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
Go after any goal. And when you go out.
Speaker 7 (09:13):
There in that football field, your belief is at all
time high, between players, between coaches, and you know you
have outcomes like this.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Yeah, I mean Chicago's two best drives, one to get
it to overtime, one that wins it in overtime. You
can talk all you want about getting lucky. Every team
gets the same amount of luck. Urban Myers around the corner.
We've got four great games starting on New Year's Eve.
Unbelievable college football playoff games coming up.
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Speaker 1 (10:33):
Well boy, we got some good games. Ohio State Miami.
You're talking. Probably the two best defenses in college football
are going to meet in Miami. I'm listening. I'm gonna
give any college football team that can go on the
road Alabama and Miami and win. That's not as hard
to do in the NFL. You got older players to
get college guys to go on the road. I actually
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thought Miami got a break. It was a day game.
So college football didn't want to go up against the
NFL at night, and so Miami got a day game
against Dan Amy. To me, that was a touchdown advantage,
huge break. Urban Meyer is now joining US Live. Three
time national championship coach. Okay, so Ryan Day, because Brian
Hartline took a new gig, Ryan Day has got to
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take over play calling. How does that make you feel?
Do you like that?
Speaker 9 (11:23):
Well, the last two national championships we are part of.
First one of Florida. Dan Mullen left to become the
head coach Mississippi State, and I made the decision of
bringing him back, and it was a I mean, I
had to stay on top of it because like it
or not, that coach has now got a job. He's
got to coach out. Brian Hartline is the head coach
of South Florida, and then Tom Herman left to be
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the head coach at Houston, and I brought him back,
and you have to stay on it.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
Here's the difference.
Speaker 9 (11:49):
Ryan Days an elite play caller, so there will be
no drop off. He's knee deep in the offense. I
think he made the right decision here. No offense to
Brian hart Line. But Brian Hartline's the head coach of
South Florida.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Are you saying you weren't an elite plague caller? You
use making it sound like we were you more culture builder.
Speaker 9 (12:11):
Yeah, and I was a special teams coordinator.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
And I did more of the stuff. Yeah.
Speaker 9 (12:15):
You know, Ryan is Ryan has been a play caller
most of his career. He certainly was from me and
I witnessed it. He's fantastic. So yeah, if Brian Day
was not an elite play caller or has great experience
doing it, I would have certainly brought the coordinator back.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
By the way. I you know, everybody says Mario Cristobal
can recruit, they do on like his game stuff.
Speaker 4 (12:34):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
I thought Miami over the last three or four times
I've watched him play, they just get they've gotten better
and better and better. To me, that's coaching. And I
say it with you know, your interpretation of what Miami
presents for Ohio State and the challenges.
Speaker 9 (12:50):
Well, last time we saw a high State they struggled
on an offense against Indiana and Miami's offense, I'm really
concerned about that. I've been concerned all year and I
made the comment about Carson Beck that this will be
the most this game and the one he just played.
And if every NFL scout is watching to say Kenny
be an NFL course, he's got all the tools, but
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just at times he's turned the ball over. So Miami excellent.
I don't put that on Carson Beck. I think they
managed the game playing great defense. Yeah, you know, you
look at the end of the first half calling they
didn't really even try to go score. You know, they
were just trained completely, they were They had a good
feel that their defense was going to just a smother
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of the A and M offense, which they did, and
they managed the great game.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
Yeah, you know, I agree with you.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
I think sometimes you as a coach can kind of
feel like we don't need to take big swings here.
They're they're not marching down the field on us. So
I got to tell you, Kalin de Moore gets a
lot of crap. And my take is you can't stack
your rosters like Nick did. Those days are over. Even
Georgia doesn't look like they used to look. I thought,
I mean, what did you what was your interpretation of
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falling behind seventeen nothing coming back to win on the road.
That does not happen a lot in college football against
good teams.
Speaker 9 (14:08):
Our Triple Option podcast was live right before the game.
We walked in there, I was with Coach Stoops and
that's one of the best college environments I've ever seen.
Speaker 4 (14:17):
And to fall behind like they did, I mean they
got punched right in the face. That crowd was behind.
Speaker 9 (14:22):
And we actually had a coach de boron today on
the podcast and I asked him, every coach wants their
team to hit adversity yet not get injured, and then
also somehow win the game. It happened, so his team
was you know, his leadership was identified. That was one
of the great performances. Here's the thing about Alabama. Team
B is not very good. That's the team that lost
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to Georgia in the SEC Championship in Florida State early.
I mean, I don't know if I've seen a better
worse discrepancy between the best version of themselves and the
worst the best version. I don't know who can beat them.
That's how good I think they are. They're worse version
they're they're they're not very good. So somehow they got
to get consistency and if they play like they played
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in that second you know, the last three quarters of
that game. Uh, they'll be in a final game.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Wow. There's been a lot of talk about Kaylen de
Borg going to Michigan. Do you buy that?
Speaker 4 (15:18):
Stop?
Speaker 9 (15:20):
No chance, no chance, no chance. He's in a he's
at Alabama. You don't leave Alabama to go anywhere. No
no chance.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Well, Lincoln Riley left Oklahoma to go to USC. You coaches,
you coaches are sometimes you know, you get you get,
you get crazy.
Speaker 4 (15:37):
A little bit.
Speaker 9 (15:37):
So you think the zero he's got a good infrastructure.
You know, you saw Biff Pogi come out today and
said it's a malfunctioning organization that I think that that
jobs are complete, they're gonna have to it's a it's
a like the coach is there instead, it's a malfunction.
Speaker 4 (15:54):
Think about what he just said.
Speaker 9 (15:56):
A malfunctioning organization the last five years, that's all that need.
Speaker 4 (16:00):
That's hard to believe.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
So let me throw this out Marcus Freeman. Apparently Notre
Dame has signed rivalry games with BYU, and I think
that's a great matchup. BYU the former Independent, Notre Dame
the partial Independent. They should play each other. That's a
good game. I'd like to watch that, but it says
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here they likely won't play USC until twenty thirty. Now
I'm for that. I'm not a traditionalist. I think USC,
now they're in the Big Ten, does not need another
cold weather game. After they play Ohio State, I would say, okay,
Notre Dame, you want to play me, got to be
in September. Two out of three games are in LA
but Notre Dames. You know there's not going to let
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that stuff happen. Are you bothered that USC and Notre
Dame don't play?
Speaker 9 (16:48):
I'm heartbroken. I am a traditionalist. I coached in that
game when I was an assistant of Notre Dame. I
love robberies, I love the pageantry, I love, you know,
the intersectional robbery. And we're getting ready to witness the
worst non conference scheduling in the history of our sport.
It's you know, Indiana played Old Dominion, Canada's Kennesaw State.
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I believe they're called in Indiana State. That's and they're
the number one team in the Lands, so there's no
reason to play a premier matchup. And it breaks my
heart because I think that's awful for our sports. That's
of all the things that got to get fixed in
college football, that's either one area or one b that
they're not get ready to call it. You're going to
see the worst septembers you've ever seen in the game. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
I've always had a theory you should you get one
cupcake and then you get right into conference play. Especially
now with the playoffs, we don't need Ohio State, Youngstown
State maybe one. Let's just get into the conference play.
But you know, scheduling's always been weird. Okay, I want
to give you these four games. I want an opinion
on all of them. I like Ohio State by about
a touchdown over Miami. I just I think they have
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more weapons off defensively. Ohio State twenty seven twenty What
say you on that one?
Speaker 9 (18:07):
I say that the Ohio State scores two touchdowns, they win.
I don't think the Miami's offense against the number one
defense in the land at Ohio State. From what I've
been watching Miami, I think they're going to really struggle.
I think Ohio State last time we saw him, they
really struggled against Indiana offensively. Saw I'm saying twenty to ten,
twenty to ten, twenty four to ten Ohio State.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
Okay, I'm going to go upset Texas Tech, who's being ignored,
is going to upset Oregon. Oregon is good, but Oregon
can be beat. They're not quite as physically dominant as
some of the other teams. I'm going to go Texas
Tech with an upset.
Speaker 9 (18:47):
Who do you like Texas Tech? The only question is
they've played Utah and they beat them.
Speaker 4 (18:51):
We were there.
Speaker 9 (18:52):
Big Noon was there and then we saw him against
BYU as well. They've only played BYU and Utah. Those
are two toughest opponents. So the show that Texas Tech has,
they're going to look across the field and see a
team that has what they gots, you know, or better
you know, they're their rosters. This will be the first
matchup game that they've had all season. So I think
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the point spreads like one or one and a half. Yeah,
I think it's a walk off either way. I think
it's a I'm going to probably pick Oregon, but I
love Texas Tech.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Okay, Alabama, Indiana. I like Indiana here. I think they've
got two quality coaches, good college quarterbacks, both have excellent receivers.
I think Indiana can run the ball a little bit,
can control time of possession a little bit. I'm going
to take Indiana where you land.
Speaker 9 (19:40):
Yeah, Indiana, We've been covering them all year. We were
at the Big Ten championship game, and you know, I
love to do this. Car love to walk next to
their players and just get a feel for their size
and their their speed. Alfaticism. Indiana. You know, even I
didn't give them enough credit. You know, they went toe
to toe with the buck guys. And so I'm thinking again,
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this is a walk off that can go either way.
It depends on if version A shows up of Alabama.
Alabama wins that game. Alabama is a better, more talented
team if Team A shows up. But Team A always
doesn't show up. Team the most consistent team in the
country is Indiana. They always show up.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
Yeah, all right.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Finally, I'll take Georgia by about a touchdown over Ole
Miss any different opinion there, I mean, george is good.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
I agree with you. I think Georgia.
Speaker 9 (20:29):
I'm saying Georgia is probably the team to beat right
now from their performance against them. That was the best
performance of twenty twenty five was the Georgia against Alabama
and the SEC championship.
Speaker 4 (20:41):
They were on fire. If they play like that, yeah
they'll win.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
They've also played a bunch of close games, so it's
not like George the old Georgia three years ago. They
played in a bunch of close games and they're winning them.
So they're pretty good. So let me ask you this.
You tell me I'm crazy on this. So my take
on the college football playoff March madness. You have far
more teams, but you've got like fifteen teams with no
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chance to either win a game. You got a bunch
of nonsense. But it's part of the patron tree, it's
part of the it's an exhibit, you know, part of
what makes March Madness fun. If one of those teams
pulls off an upset, it's like awesome. But most of
the teams get dragged and they're blown out and it's
Carolina beaten, something called lips gone by thirty whatever, But
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everybody's okay with it. In college football, you've only got
twelve teams, and we're outraged that there's two teams that
can't compete. And my take is two's fine. If there
were three to four, I wouldn't like it. But this
point forward, I have the eight best teams in college football,
and I'm okay with a couple of you know, a
couple of ugly, little turbulent stuff. It bothers everybody. In
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My take is, if you have a college football or basketball, lacrosse, hockey,
if you have a college tournament and you invite a
lot of people, you're gonna get mismatch. That's just they're Otherwise,
just have a sixteen tournament. So I wasn't bothered by
James Madison or Tulane were you?
Speaker 9 (22:09):
I was to a degree because I just don't think
it's fair. You know, if the college football there's only
twelve teams, that's a big difference. Like you mentioned between
March madness and this one. You know, Texas played Ohio
State early in the season. They should have been in
the playoffs. I still don't they got penalized for playing
at Ohio State. Let James Madison or Tulaningo run up
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there and play in the Horseshoe and early early in
the season and see what happens. You know, that would
be probably a twenty five point spread.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
Or more so.
Speaker 9 (22:38):
Yeah, I just think you saw a Notre Dame. You
saw Texas. You imagine what those games could have and
would have looked like if they would have played each other.
And I don't know what anybody expected when James Madison
had to go to Austin. They fought their ass off.
I mean they scored points on them, but you just
watch the NFL Draft, it's not even close. And then
the same with Tulane playing the way they played. You know,
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then I just didn't know what people are, you know,
when I saw them coming up the matchups, I'm like,
what are we doing? You know, this doesn't make sense
to me. And I get what you're saying, but it's
not March madness. There's only twelve teams.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
Urban Meyer, are you golfing today, tomorrow and the day
after that?
Speaker 9 (23:20):
Big stepped down from last week though you were an
Augusta Augusta with Alex Smith, my old quarterback made a ball.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
Oh he's one of the nicest guys. He is one
of the elements, dude.
Speaker 4 (23:31):
He is great. All right, coach, Great seeing you great,
seeing you stay warmer.
Speaker 10 (23:36):
I am.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
I'll be golfing in Chicago when it gets warm. June
twenty third, my kid, because I care, you know. Jmack
with the news, No news.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
This is the headline news.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
Oh buyer's remorse on the Midwest There, okay, let's get
to the Green Bay Packers that came on Saturday night, Colin,
What are except for the fact that Jordan Love got
knocked out.
Speaker 6 (24:03):
If you're watching on TV, holy yeah, look at his
hit that he takes boom. Now listen, some people are
saying that it.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
Was a dirty hit.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
Love lowered his head, you know, Like again, I'm not
you know, I don't know look at it, but he
ducked into it and it was bad.
Speaker 6 (24:16):
He looked woozy.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
Packers fans obviously could serve well, Malik Willis took over, Colin.
I'm sure you saw. He ended up getting a big
hit at the end of regulation.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
Maleique played well. He was so good on third down.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
Maybe the best backup in the league. He's up there,
mac Jones. But here's the bad news, Colin. We don't
know if Malink Willis is gonna be able to play
this week. That would be crushing news. So the Packers
could turn to someone named Clayton Tune aka Clayton Looney
Tune to be the quarterback for Week seventeen. Trying to
retain a playoff spot. Bad news is they go to
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play against Baltimore Colin. This game is Saturday night. It
could be third stringer Clayton Tune against backup Snoop Huntley.
You're telling me thequarterback depth isn't an issue. That could
be a big matchup Saturday night here in week seventeen.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Yeah, I mean, listen. I still think there's a ton
of star power. I know when the playoffs come around,
I'm getting great young talent and then some Stafford and
Aaron Rodgers and redemption stories like Darnald and Trevor Lawrence.
So I think it's going to be great.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
So we need to recalibrate as we do the offseason. Right,
what did the Bears do? You mentioned this early? They
stole from the Chiefs fortifying where the offensive line Tooney, right,
they bolstered it. I think there will be a gold
rush for offensive linemen. Anybody who's available, I'm grabbing them
because that's the first easiest way to lose your quarterback.
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Jared Goff has struggled a lot. What happened they didn't
have a center. I think the most pivotal players this
offseason will be offensive lineman.
Speaker 4 (25:50):
Do you agree well, I mean.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
Yeah, I don't think it's a quarterback free agent class
of note. I think I always said this league is
a finder quarterback. Be protect him. That's the first two
things in this league. Andrew lock in Indy, they couldn't
protect him. He retired early. So I mean the first
thing McVeigh did in LA went and got a left
tackle for Jared Goff. Like, so to me, when I
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see and there's injuries, but if there's one area I
would go into a season overpaying and have more players
than I need, it would be my ole line.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
Yeah, even when it comes to the draft, you know,
reaching for a tackle, that's fine. Remember the Patriots were
kind of people took shots at them for drafting Will
Campbell so early in the draft.
Speaker 6 (26:33):
I think he went top five and they were.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
Like, oh, he's got short arms. Campbell's been terrific. And
guess what Campbell went down with the injies on ir
Now last week, tough struggle bus for Drake may Now
this week against the Ravens, he was fine. But offensive
line is everything. All right, Let's move to the Carolina Panthers.
Collin Wow break up the Panthers and Bryce Young another
game winning drive with the former number one pick Colin.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
He was good.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
Not only only threw for Buck ninety one, but he
made the big throws.
Speaker 6 (27:02):
Look at that right over the shoulder to Cocher. They've
got a nice little receiving group.
Speaker 4 (27:05):
Here's a team Max great, Oh.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
Team Max outstanding. Here's Bryce Young on the grit the
Panthers show.
Speaker 4 (27:12):
Coach talks about it all the time.
Speaker 10 (27:14):
Finish, That's something that we take a lot of pride
in that we carry into every aspect of who we
are as a team. And you know, for us not
to just talk it, but to walk it, to be resilient,
to go and continue to battle. I wouldn't want to
go to war with any other team.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
Yeah, I mean listen, half to half. They're a bit
inconsistent and it's not a terribly strong division. But I
would say from an offensive standpoint, I think they had
a good draft and I think they get the most
out of their talent. And that's all you can ask.
And I think you know, Bryce doesn't have the strongest arm,
but he's accurate, he moves well. I mean, he's a
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They like him. I mean, listen, he's got thirty two touchdowns,
nine picks, passer rating low nineties. Again. I think he
got himself that fifth year extension. I think he's going
to if he can stay healthy, they can keep surrounding
him up front. The defense, they did a good job.
The defense got much better. It was awful last year.
It's okay now. So it feels like they finally have
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you know, David Tepper bought it. He was a little impulsive.
Feels like they've taken a deep breath. They've reset with
Canalis Morgan. It's a real organization now. They outplayed Tampa,
no question. Oh yeah, Tampa's reeling. They've lost I think
six to seven. So Colin he's the what's the future
for Bryce Young? You mentioned the fifth year extension. Yeah,
I'm gonna ask you. Could he be a version of
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what we're seeing with Baker Mayfield in.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
Tampa and Sam Darnold in Seattle?
Speaker 6 (28:36):
Can he be a version of that?
Speaker 4 (28:37):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (28:38):
So here's the thing. I wouldn't want him if it
was cold weather. I mean, honestly, when you're talking about
cold weather, Tua was a pro bowler in warm weather
in Carolina. He's not a big strong, he's not a
six to five guy. He didn't have a huge arm,
but he plays that division's a warm weather division. I
have no problem with Bryce Young. Spend some money in
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a warm weather division. I don't think he's all weather.
He's not all terrain. That's not at it. I mean
that's when you need a bigger like Drake may is
a His ball cuts through it. He's a big kid.
So I think Bryce Young. I mean, listen, you don't
want to start over at quarterback now because he's been
dinged up before fourth round. Fifth round. Probably draft a
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quarterback and kind of groom him just in case.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
But he's made himself some money. I mean, you joke
about me. I'm a warm weather tank top guy. The
cold weather I shrivel up.
Speaker 6 (29:31):
I mean it's tough. I'll just say this.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
I think at the right price, Carolina can build a
contender in the NFC column like that division is. We
know it's a joke. Falcons can't get their act together.
Speaker 6 (29:42):
Bucks are reeling.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
I'm not believing the Tyler shuck hype.
Speaker 6 (29:45):
In New Orleans.
Speaker 3 (29:46):
If they can build wisely, they've got good receivers too,
good backs. The offensive line is okay, the defense, as
you said, is there. I think they can build a
consistent ten win team in that division with Pryce Young
at the right price, like thirty five thous thirty five mil.
Speaker 6 (30:00):
You know that kind of contract.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
Final story, Colm, let's go to boxing where we had. Yeah,
we don't talk a lot of boxing here. So there
was a quote unquote heavyweight matchup Saturday between YouTuber named
Jake Paul against former heavyweight champ Anthony Joshua. It was
on Netflix. Joshua knocked him out in the sixth round,
actually broke Jake Paul's jaw in two places with that
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vicious right hand. I don't have a ton to add here,
but I know you love, I.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
Mean, Joshua is one of the best. You know, he's
one of the best fighters we've had in a decade.
He could have knocked him out three punches in. I mean,
you know what Netflix does, It's fine with me, But
I mean, it was pretty obvious Joshua wasn't throwing his
biggest stuff until later, and he could have come out
thrown blows first round. In the end of the fight.
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It was a total mismatch, and everybody kind of knew
it was. But you know, I'm sure they you know,
it feels like there were certain instructions to let's not
make this a thirty second fight and interesting. I mean,
Joshua is a world class fighter, he's six sixty. Why
is a guy six one two fifteen getting in the
ring with him? They're not even in the same weight class.
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I didn't understand this.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
I saw the highlights and the broken jaw x ray,
and I did hear from someone here on staff who
was deeply close to this. Uh, Jake Paul got paid,
you know, a YouTuber bringing an audience in Netflix got
north of I'm not even going to say the figure,
but it's astronomical.
Speaker 6 (31:31):
Yeah, but is this is this what we're is this boxing?
Speaker 1 (31:35):
So what we're doing? More people watch that, then we'll
watch any other fight in the next twelve months. So,
I mean, whether it's right or wrong, UFC has stolen
all of boxing's thunder feels.
Speaker 6 (31:45):
A little short sighted.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
Hey, we can get a lot of people to watch
this fight in December.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
Cool?
Speaker 3 (31:50):
What's on the game plan for twenty six crickets?
Speaker 8 (31:54):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (31:54):
Jmack with the news, So it's interest to night's the Niners.
You know, it's normally you wouldn't be excited about this game,
but the Niners are shockingly good. And Philip Rivers at
forty four years old, is you know, going to go
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at it again. He can't move, but he couldn't move
you know when he was good. So I like the
Niners that this one. But my take is on the
back end of the Colts defense you can kind of
make hay. So I think the Niners will move the
ball down the field. But I am interested to watch
and it is. We've seen Kirk Cousins, We've seen Philip Rivers,
We've seen Matt Stafford, We've seen Aaron Rodgers. These old
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school guys are very good at the line of scrimmage.
They're very good pre snap. There's limitations on how much
they can move. But what Aaron's done in Pittsburgh is
very redeemable. They just don't make a lot of mistakes.
He keeps the chains moving forward. You know, he's not
running around getting in trouble. There's a lot of value
in just stay ahead of the sticks, complete the passes
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that are open, get the ball off, don't take sacks,
don't turn it over. It's not the sexiest football, but
you know, I think the Colts will be viable for
about three quarters tonight.
Speaker 4 (33:09):
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Speaker 4 (33:16):
Yeah, it's I've noted this a couple of times.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
I think with Josh Allen and Caleb Williams, you do
get these kind of unique quarterbacks that have so much
talent and so much horsepower. I don't worry too much
about stats. I talked about this last week. Caleb's improved
on everything this year, accept completion percentage. Here's Hasselback on
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Matt Hasselback on Caleb and the winover Green Bay.
Speaker 11 (33:47):
He put this team on his back in critical moments.
It was a struggle, bust of a game, a very
windy situation, rivalry game, and he had two incredible plays.
And Ben Johnson again, whether it's specialty teams, are offensive
explosive plays or defense on side kick, this is a
guy that has his team, has.
Speaker 4 (34:05):
The whole city believe.
Speaker 11 (34:06):
In and they believe they I think a lot of
people believe that they've got their quarterback. And for sure
he is quieting a lot of the doubters.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
And you know, it's last year he had twenty touchdown
six picks, but they were you know, you got the
coach fired and the coordinator run out. So Ben Johnson's
just alleviated a lot of the dysfunction. And I think,
you know, Mike Vrabel said this when he got the
New England job. He said, you just don't realize here
in New England how lucky you are, basically saying Tennessee
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is dysfunctional and political and poorly run. Well, Chicago's had
that reputation forever, so there's things you have to overcome.
Speaker 4 (34:42):
But I think if you have.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
A superstar coach and a superstar level talent at quarterback,
you can overcome it. It was I mean, it's just
all the big plays. This has become a fourth quarter team.
And here's Hasselback on Ben and Caleb in year one.
Speaker 11 (34:57):
I think it's exciting for a guy like Ben Johnson
because he was coaching Jared Goff, who does everything right
but doesn't have the mobility and es capability to make.
Speaker 4 (35:05):
A bad play call look great.
Speaker 11 (35:07):
And I think that's one thing Calebs can do. And
yet at the same time accomplishing the goal of the team,
which was consistent play, never ever ever missing an open guy,
never being the reason that a play wasn't successful. Maybe
doing letting the offense work for you some of those things.
If you can put all that together, you can have
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an MVP quarterback.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
And the other thing that you're noticing all the success
bo Nix is having and Drake May's having and Caleb
Williams are having, why well they've got good coaches, but
they're on their rookie contracts. So Denver's roster, Chicago's roster,
New England's rosters better than people think. Is that. You know,
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we talked Jmax brought this up. Joe Burrow can't make
the playoffs again. And you look at Baltimore, that roster
looks kind of thin. And you look at Kansas City.
I think Kansas City's in a rebuild. Everybody else thinks retool.
I think it rebuild. Folks, when you have a star quarterback.
Even if you have a star quarterback, you better make
hay in four or five years. Because once you pay Mahomes,
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look at his own line, Once you pay Lamar, look
at his own line, once you pay Josh Allen, look
at his defense.
Speaker 4 (36:20):
That's if you get a superstar quarterback.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
If Kansas City, not Buffalo, not Baltimore, they got the
trophies and that's the reality of it. There are some
really elite quarterbacks on team friendly deals. Sam Darnold, Baker Mayfield,
those are team friendly deals. Brockberdi's deal is not too bad.
Rock Perty's pretty good deal for the Niners, but it
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changes everything. And so a great part of Bownick's success
isn't just Sean Payton.
Speaker 4 (36:54):
It's a really good roster.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
And you look at the ability for New England to
go out and get Stefan Diggs and then they hit on,
you know, Kyle Williams, who's getting better and better as
a deep threat, and you know, you start you look around,
it's you You've got. So j Max said this earlier.
Is it over as the door closed for Lamar Jackson? Well,
he's expensive and because the old line's not as good,
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he gets dinged up more. Josh Allen yesterday gets stinged up.
We saw Patrick Mahomes gets hurt. So, man, you you
got to make Hay. There's just because once these star quarterbacks,
what are you going to do? How many of them
are going to sign team friendly deals? They're not? You know,
if if you know, and this is not blaming him,
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if if Justin Herbert and he shouldn't. If he'd ha
taken ten million less, they'd have another tackle on the roster.
But he shouldn't. He's been carrying that franchise with bad
coaches for years. Justin should take every penny he can.
So it's just it's it's if you look at the
highest quarterback cap hits, let's say they're putting it down here,
I have to read, Yeah, so Dak Prescott, well, no playoffs, okay,
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Matt Stafford they had now they have ace like three
drafts in a row, like they have just hit on
every draft pick. But should be noted secondary is not
very good. Special teams are a wreck. With the Rams,
they just fired the special team goal. So then you
go to Joe Burrow. Defense is awful, Lamar Jackson roster's okay,
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Kyler Murray roster's okay. Geno Smith roster's horrible. So again
that's where you get into trouble when Geno Smith is
a huge Cappit all live with Stafford, but you just
can't make me. You can't pay Geno Smith big money.
Huge mistake by the Raiders.
Speaker 3 (38:38):
So one of the top eight cap hits made the playoffs,
and that's Stafford. Seven was Kirk Cousins and eight was too.
So Colin, let's spin this forward twenty twenty six.
Speaker 6 (38:47):
Do you want me?
Speaker 1 (38:48):
I want to see it.
Speaker 6 (38:49):
Okay, here we go.
Speaker 3 (38:50):
Number One, Deshaun Watson is the biggest cap hit next year.
They making the playoffs. We already try that's right. Number
two is Patrick Mahomes, so all this, Hey, the Chiefs
are going to do all this stuff in the season.
You might have to start with talking to Mahomes about
his contract. Number three Lamar Jackson biggot third biggest cap
hit next year. Then it's Dak Prescott, followed by this one.
Surprised me. Jared Goss at five. I thought the lines
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would have wiggle room, maybe not six Kirk Cousins, forget
about him. Seven is two, eight, Josh Allen, nine Kyler Murray.
So again, I know people think, oh, it's Mahomes and Reed,
Oh it's Lamar and probably John Hart.
Speaker 6 (39:26):
It's way deeper than that. The NFL has changed, man.
Speaker 4 (39:29):
Listen, go look at Sam Darnold's roster.
Speaker 1 (39:32):
They moved off DK Metcalf to the less expensive JSN
Donald signed a friendly deal. So you look at Seattle
by moving off DK Metcalf, and by getting Donald at
a team friendly deal, that roster is stacked. Jalen Hurts,
I don't know. Jalen Hurts does not have a huge
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cap hit. Therefore, Philadelphia's roster like Seattle between good drafting
and the addition of a couple key pieces. I'm surprised
Stafford's number is that high, but I think you just
pointed it out. One of the top ten quarterbacks, top
top eight are making the playoffs, and that's with probably
the best coach in the league, Sean McVay, and they
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they've been on a string for three years of hitting
on draft picks that is really special.
Speaker 3 (40:21):
And then you you marriage that, marry that with the
NFL playoff seedings, and you're like, oh, that.
Speaker 6 (40:26):
Tracks like literally almost everywhere, it's.
Speaker 3 (40:29):
Like, oh, that guy doesn't have a big habit probably successful.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
Here's who doesn't have a big cap hit. Bonis Drake May,
Trevor Lawrence, Aaron Rodgers, Justin Herbert top five seeds.
Speaker 4 (40:42):
The other one.
Speaker 1 (40:42):
It's Sam Darnold, Caleb Williams, Jalen Hurt, Bryce Young Stafford.
Speaker 4 (40:48):
Of the top ten seeds.
Speaker 1 (40:50):
One has the big quarterback cap hit, and again Sean
mcvay's probably the best coach in the league. And they've
gone seven for seven in their last seven defense picks.
They've gotten either it's luck, either it's just brilliance, but
they are I mean, you get Pooka in the fifth round.
That's not normal. You don't get players like that in
the fifth round.
Speaker 3 (41:10):
So if you're looking for a team next year, I
was early on this, then I whiff this year. But
the Tennessee Titans have a ton of cap money. That
is an attractive job for somebody because nobody's.
Speaker 6 (41:20):
Getting paid on the Titans yet.
Speaker 3 (41:21):
So if you think there's five or six guys, you
can go out there like Vrabel did and add to
the Patriots and you think cam Ward has Drake may upside.
Speaker 6 (41:29):
I don't know he might. I've seen some flashes from
Caim Mordon.
Speaker 3 (41:32):
I like him, but there are that's an attractive job
for the right coach. Now if they go hire a
defensive guy, I think we probably forget about it right
as as you noted, Liam Cohen offensive guy playoffs, Ben
Johnson offensive guy playoffs. I think we've kind of hacked
the NFL now we know how to build.
Speaker 1 (41:48):
And then Mike Vrabel is a defensive guy, but he's
close with Josh McDaniels, who is, argue believe, the best
offensive coordinator in the sport. So if you're a defensive
guy and Josh McDaniels, New England's very lucky. McDaniels has
come out and said, I like living here. My wife
likes it, my kids like it. It's a great educational
area in that area, like New England's got Craft, they
got Vabel, and Josh just likes living there. Great schools,
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great place to raise your family. So I figure they
got lucky there because Josh isn't gonna leave. But he's
also he's tried the head coaching thing. He's gonna stay there.
I'm telling you, I'm watching New England last night.
Speaker 3 (42:21):
Frustrating as a Jets fan, very frustrating. Very Oh how
about this as a Jets fan. Dante Moore? I mean
I watched the JMU game. I'm a JMU grad. Dante
Moore look pretty damn good. Let's see what he does
against Texas Tech. I wonder do you think he's coming
out now? Because his profiles skyrocketing and there's no other
quarterbacks coming out.
Speaker 1 (42:41):
I don't think he is I don't think he has
enough college starts. I think he's going to stay at Oregon,
and Oregon is a uniquely positioned to pay him, you
know whatever, they're going to pay him, so I mean,
he may come out. It's it's the I mean, I mean,
part of it is I wouldn't want to go to
a New York football team.
Speaker 4 (43:00):
Honestly, I wouldn't want to.
Speaker 1 (43:01):
Like if I saw a team up there and I'm like,
you know this team's got you know, you better look
at ownership, You better look at ownership. Excellent work today.
First things first is around the corner. I'm liking the
Niners tonight. Fun game with Philip Rivers and the Colt
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we need another fire extinguis sure in this room till hot? Wait?
Speaker 3 (00:53):
So, coward, are you doing picks for this week on
Wednesday or Friday? Because there's three games on Christmas Day?
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Will you include those in the past? Let me think
about it. Okay, let me think about it.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
I hope I can play by those rules as well
for headlines because I'm looking, I'm like, I don't know
if I can get picks by Wednesday.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Oh, I know, when you only have so many games,
you know, I didn't think yesterday was going to be
that interesting, but then Saturday night was so unbelievable, and
then you're watching New England last night was great, and
then the I mean that just you know, the league's
always entertaining. What can you say, I'm always entertained. Aaron
Rodgers and the Steelers hello held off the Lions, already
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controlled the game and to expand their division lead in
the AFC North.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
And I've said this from the beginning.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Although Aaron Rodgers is merely duct tape for this offense,
he and Mike Tomlin they make it work.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
So it's getting better.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Aaron Rodgers said, you know, get me my guys, MBS
adam feeling. And you know it's typical Steeler fashion, a
wide receiver, eye maintenance, drama.
Speaker 4 (02:02):
You know, you gotta always deal with that.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
And despite the fact that at two hundred and thirty
to fifteen rush advantage, they had to hold on for dear.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
Life, it was Pittsburgh.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
But I will say this about Aaron, He's just a
lot of quarterback play is just getting you out of trouble.
He's made the offense slicker and smarter. You know, he
just he takes what's available, not a lot of negative plays.
Right now, Aaron Rodgers leads the entire NFL in fastest release.
He's getting rid of the ball faster than any other quarterback.
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He's forty two. He doesn't want to get hit and
he doesn't want that Steeler O line to get into
trouble because they really don't have the kind of receiving
core or consistent run game that had yesterday. They can
get them out of trouble. So Aaron's like, give me
the ball, let's get it out, stay ahead of the chains.
I feel like Aaron has become like the oil, the
lubrication for an offensive machine, where the gears for the
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last seven years have been getting stuck. And he just
comes in, get rid of the ball, audible to the
right play, take what's available, don't get greedy. It's really smart.
And by the way, this is the most impressed I've
been with Aaron Rodgers in a long time.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
Well, what about green Bay? Everybody wins in green Bay.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Help Malik Willis looked great last Saturday, Aaron Rodgers, Jordan Love,
Brett Farff, everybody looks good in green Bay. A quarterbacks,
backups come in. Malik Willis their dynamic. This offense Pittsburgh
for seven years, they can't run the ball, the old
line doesn't work. They you know, turnstyle offensive coordinator.
Speaker 4 (03:37):
Aaron gets the credit for this. He gets the credit.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
The longer this goes on this season, last three weeks,
brings his friends in a wide receiver. It's just it works.
Jalen Warren two forty five yard runs dominate the Lions.
Lions have their own problems, but you know here's you got.
Lamar Jackson can't stay healthy. You got Joe Burrow can't
stay healthy. And Aaron's forty two, and he's like, I'm
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staying healthy. I'm gonna be available for my team. So
he's just done all the little things. Well, it's amazing
what coaching can do, or really smart veteran quarterback play.
It's not always what they do, it's what they don't do.
They don't throw picks, they don't take bad sacks. You know,
they audible in and out of trouble and into advantages.
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So Mike Tomlin, you know, you say what you want.
And I've had my grievances with Mike Tomlin. Here they
are again looking at a potential division championship.
Speaker 5 (04:34):
Thankful of the fight and to win. And we'll keep
pushing because that's what you got to do this time
of year, win or lose. You got to keep pushing,
and we will. We're coming in to mart to watch
the tape. We ain't got time for victory Monday's and
that's what I told the team.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
Okay, now let's go to the team that lost.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
Detroit One.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Coach one has really changed the direction of two franchises
in the same division. Ben Johnson used to be at
Detroit and while were they dynamic, the craziest third and
fourth down team in the league, look at him now.
He left and went to Chicago and the Bears are
eleven and four and the best fourth quarter team in
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the NFL for the record of the Cowboys weren't interested
in Ben Johnson. Congratulations, But the Bears who have poor ownership,
I mean like literally the poorest ownership and years of
dysfunction upstairs, and you watch them.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
Yeah, it's been a work in progress.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
But I've heard this before from athletes, the great athletes,
and Caleb Williams is a generational talent.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
He is special.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
They want Caleb Williams wanted to be coach hard. He said,
there's nobody to watch film with me. He wanted to
be coach hard. He wanted somebody to get on him
and enter Ben Johnson. I mean, Patrick Mahomes didn't become
Patrick Mahomes because Andy Reid pandered and they disagree.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
The volume goes up.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
So and Caleb's got an ability to make the hard
look easy, and sometimes the easy looks a little difficult.
But the entire Bears organization, you know again, once you
get the coach right Rabel in New England, Sean Payton
and Denver Jim Harbaugh. With the Chargers, Ben Johnson, it
doesn't take long. Literally, it takes like six to eight weeks.
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You build a staff, you get the planning, and then
slowly but surely you get into week six, week nine,
week twelve, week fifteen, you look up, this is a
really good team. They do all the things that winning
teams do. They win the turnover battle, they run the football.
They've been lucky a little bit with health, mostly a
very healthy team.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
They don't have negative plays.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
So you're seeing the same thing in New England with Rabel,
Sean Payton, Jim Harbaugh. I mean, last year the Bears
just a simple thing. Last year, do you remember this,
The Bears were the worst fourth quarter team in the league,
they couldn't even script plays appropriately.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
Now third best, So.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
They start smartly, they finish strongly, and again they've just
gotten out of the stuff that loses games, no turnovers,
no negative plays. The operation, the basic fundamentals looks organized.
And then of course you have Caleb Williams, who really
(07:28):
is a unique talent. Here's the walkoff touchdown?
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Are the fake Williams looking downfield?
Speaker 6 (07:37):
Looks to downfield?
Speaker 4 (07:38):
Good DJ more.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
And great coaches are like great movie directors. You gotta
let the star kind of do his thing, however, with
a clear identity of what the movie is and what
the game plan is. And people are gonna say, well,
I mean the Bears got a little bit lucky. They
recovered the on side kick, no time out. They also
(08:12):
had two game winning drives, and they also in overtime
stop the Packers. So it's not just well, teams block
punts all the time, teams recover on sidekicks. What do
you do with the opportunities presented and well coached?
Speaker 4 (08:31):
Last night, New England could have lost that puppy.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
New England maybe gets a big interception or a fumble recovery, Well,
what do they do with it?
Speaker 4 (08:40):
Well?
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Coached teams take advantage of those little breaks that every
team in the league gets. Yep, the onside kick. Gotta
be honest, that kind of surprised me. But it's what
they did with it. And here's Caleb.
Speaker 7 (08:54):
After I got the best coach in the world, let's
put it. Let's put it that way. And we have
the best coaching staff in the world. And so you
put the talent with the coaches and the people that care.
You can strive for anything, you can reach anything, you can.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
Go after any goal. And when you go out.
Speaker 7 (09:13):
There in that football field, your belief is at all
time high, between players, between coaches, and you know you
have outcomes like this.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Yeah, I mean Chicago's two best drives, one to get
it to overtime, one that wins it in overtime. You
can talk all you want about getting lucky. Every team
gets the same amount of luck. Urban Myers around the corner.
We've got four great games starting on New Year's Eve.
Unbelievable college football playoff games coming up.
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Speaker 1 (10:33):
Well boy, we got some good games. Ohio State Miami.
You're talking. Probably the two best defenses in college football
are going to meet in Miami. I'm listening. I'm gonna
give any college football team that can go on the
road Alabama and Miami and win. That's not as hard
to do in the NFL. You got older players to
get college guys to go on the road. I actually
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thought Miami got a break. It was a day game.
So college football didn't want to go up against the
NFL at night, and so Miami got a day game
against Dan Amy. To me, that was a touchdown advantage,
huge break. Urban Meyer is now joining US Live. Three
time national championship coach. Okay, so Ryan Day, because Brian
Hartline took a new gig, Ryan Day has got to
(11:19):
take over play calling. How does that make you feel?
Do you like that?
Speaker 9 (11:23):
Well, the last two national championships we are part of.
First one of Florida. Dan Mullen left to become the
head coach Mississippi State, and I made the decision of
bringing him back, and it was a I mean, I
had to stay on top of it because like it
or not, that coach has now got a job. He's
got to coach out. Brian Hartline is the head coach
of South Florida, and then Tom Herman left to be
(11:44):
the head coach at Houston, and I brought him back,
and you have to stay on it.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
Here's the difference.
Speaker 9 (11:49):
Ryan Days an elite play caller, so there will be
no drop off. He's knee deep in the offense. I
think he made the right decision here. No offense to
Brian hart Line. But Brian Hartline's the head coach of
South Florida.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Are you saying you weren't an elite plague caller? You
use making it sound like we were you more culture builder.
Speaker 9 (12:11):
Yeah, and I was a special teams coordinator.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
And I did more of the stuff. Yeah.
Speaker 9 (12:15):
You know, Ryan is Ryan has been a play caller
most of his career. He certainly was from me and
I witnessed it. He's fantastic. So yeah, if Brian Day
was not an elite play caller or has great experience
doing it, I would have certainly brought the coordinator back.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
By the way. I you know, everybody says Mario Cristobal
can recruit, they do on like his game stuff.
Speaker 4 (12:34):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
I thought Miami over the last three or four times
I've watched him play, they just get they've gotten better
and better and better. To me, that's coaching. And I
say it with you know, your interpretation of what Miami
presents for Ohio State and the challenges.
Speaker 9 (12:50):
Well, last time we saw a high State they struggled
on an offense against Indiana and Miami's offense, I'm really
concerned about that. I've been concerned all year and I
made the comment about Carson Beck that this will be
the most this game and the one he just played.
And if every NFL scout is watching to say Kenny
be an NFL course, he's got all the tools, but
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just at times he's turned the ball over. So Miami excellent.
I don't put that on Carson Beck. I think they
managed the game playing great defense. Yeah, you know, you
look at the end of the first half calling they
didn't really even try to go score. You know, they
were just trained completely, they were They had a good
feel that their defense was going to just a smother
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of the A and M offense, which they did, and
they managed the great game.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
Yeah, you know, I agree with you.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
I think sometimes you as a coach can kind of
feel like we don't need to take big swings here.
They're they're not marching down the field on us. So
I got to tell you, Kalin de Moore gets a
lot of crap. And my take is you can't stack
your rosters like Nick did. Those days are over. Even
Georgia doesn't look like they used to look. I thought,
I mean, what did you what was your interpretation of
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falling behind seventeen nothing coming back to win on the road.
That does not happen a lot in college football against
good teams.
Speaker 9 (14:08):
Our Triple Option podcast was live right before the game.
We walked in there, I was with Coach Stoops and
that's one of the best college environments I've ever seen.
Speaker 4 (14:17):
And to fall behind like they did, I mean they
got punched right in the face. That crowd was behind.
Speaker 9 (14:22):
And we actually had a coach de boron today on
the podcast and I asked him, every coach wants their
team to hit adversity yet not get injured, and then
also somehow win the game. It happened, so his team
was you know, his leadership was identified. That was one
of the great performances. Here's the thing about Alabama. Team
B is not very good. That's the team that lost
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to Georgia in the SEC Championship in Florida State early.
I mean, I don't know if I've seen a better
worse discrepancy between the best version of themselves and the
worst the best version. I don't know who can beat them.
That's how good I think they are. They're worse version
they're they're they're not very good. So somehow they got
to get consistency and if they play like they played
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in that second you know, the last three quarters of
that game. Uh, they'll be in a final game.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Wow. There's been a lot of talk about Kaylen de
Borg going to Michigan. Do you buy that?
Speaker 4 (15:18):
Stop?
Speaker 9 (15:20):
No chance, no chance, no chance. He's in a he's
at Alabama. You don't leave Alabama to go anywhere. No
no chance.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Well, Lincoln Riley left Oklahoma to go to USC. You coaches,
you coaches are sometimes you know, you get you get,
you get crazy.
Speaker 4 (15:37):
A little bit.
Speaker 9 (15:37):
So you think the zero he's got a good infrastructure.
You know, you saw Biff Pogi come out today and
said it's a malfunctioning organization that I think that that
jobs are complete, they're gonna have to it's a it's
a like the coach is there instead, it's a malfunction.
Speaker 4 (15:54):
Think about what he just said.
Speaker 9 (15:56):
A malfunctioning organization the last five years, that's all that need.
Speaker 4 (16:00):
That's hard to believe.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
So let me throw this out Marcus Freeman. Apparently Notre
Dame has signed rivalry games with BYU, and I think
that's a great matchup. BYU the former Independent, Notre Dame
the partial Independent. They should play each other. That's a
good game. I'd like to watch that, but it says
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here they likely won't play USC until twenty thirty. Now
I'm for that. I'm not a traditionalist. I think USC,
now they're in the Big Ten, does not need another
cold weather game. After they play Ohio State, I would say, okay,
Notre Dame, you want to play me, got to be
in September. Two out of three games are in LA
but Notre Dames. You know there's not going to let
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that stuff happen. Are you bothered that USC and Notre
Dame don't play?
Speaker 9 (16:48):
I'm heartbroken. I am a traditionalist. I coached in that
game when I was an assistant of Notre Dame. I
love robberies, I love the pageantry, I love, you know,
the intersectional robbery. And we're getting ready to witness the
worst non conference scheduling in the history of our sport.
It's you know, Indiana played Old Dominion, Canada's Kennesaw State.
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I believe they're called in Indiana State. That's and they're
the number one team in the Lands, so there's no
reason to play a premier matchup. And it breaks my
heart because I think that's awful for our sports. That's
of all the things that got to get fixed in
college football, that's either one area or one b that
they're not get ready to call it. You're going to
see the worst septembers you've ever seen in the game. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
I've always had a theory you should you get one
cupcake and then you get right into conference play. Especially
now with the playoffs, we don't need Ohio State, Youngstown
State maybe one. Let's just get into the conference play.
But you know, scheduling's always been weird. Okay, I want
to give you these four games. I want an opinion
on all of them. I like Ohio State by about
a touchdown over Miami. I just I think they have
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more weapons off defensively. Ohio State twenty seven twenty What
say you on that one?
Speaker 9 (18:07):
I say that the Ohio State scores two touchdowns, they win.
I don't think the Miami's offense against the number one
defense in the land at Ohio State. From what I've
been watching Miami, I think they're going to really struggle.
I think Ohio State last time we saw him, they
really struggled against Indiana offensively. Saw I'm saying twenty to ten,
twenty to ten, twenty four to ten Ohio State.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
Okay, I'm going to go upset Texas Tech, who's being ignored,
is going to upset Oregon. Oregon is good, but Oregon
can be beat. They're not quite as physically dominant as
some of the other teams. I'm going to go Texas
Tech with an upset.
Speaker 9 (18:47):
Who do you like Texas Tech? The only question is
they've played Utah and they beat them.
Speaker 4 (18:51):
We were there.
Speaker 9 (18:52):
Big Noon was there and then we saw him against
BYU as well. They've only played BYU and Utah. Those
are two toughest opponents. So the show that Texas Tech has,
they're going to look across the field and see a
team that has what they gots, you know, or better
you know, they're their rosters. This will be the first
matchup game that they've had all season. So I think
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the point spreads like one or one and a half. Yeah,
I think it's a walk off either way. I think
it's a I'm going to probably pick Oregon, but I
love Texas Tech.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Okay, Alabama, Indiana. I like Indiana here. I think they've
got two quality coaches, good college quarterbacks, both have excellent receivers.
I think Indiana can run the ball a little bit,
can control time of possession a little bit. I'm going
to take Indiana where you land.
Speaker 9 (19:40):
Yeah, Indiana, We've been covering them all year. We were
at the Big Ten championship game, and you know, I
love to do this. Car love to walk next to
their players and just get a feel for their size
and their their speed. Alfaticism. Indiana. You know, even I
didn't give them enough credit. You know, they went toe
to toe with the buck guys. And so I'm thinking again,
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this is a walk off that can go either way.
It depends on if version A shows up of Alabama.
Alabama wins that game. Alabama is a better, more talented
team if Team A shows up. But Team A always
doesn't show up. Team the most consistent team in the
country is Indiana. They always show up.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
Yeah, all right.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Finally, I'll take Georgia by about a touchdown over Ole
Miss any different opinion there, I mean, george is good.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
I agree with you. I think Georgia.
Speaker 9 (20:29):
I'm saying Georgia is probably the team to beat right
now from their performance against them. That was the best
performance of twenty twenty five was the Georgia against Alabama
and the SEC championship.
Speaker 4 (20:41):
They were on fire. If they play like that, yeah
they'll win.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
They've also played a bunch of close games, so it's
not like George the old Georgia three years ago. They
played in a bunch of close games and they're winning them.
So they're pretty good. So let me ask you this.
You tell me I'm crazy on this. So my take
on the college football playoff March madness. You have far
more teams, but you've got like fifteen teams with no
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chance to either win a game. You got a bunch
of nonsense. But it's part of the patron tree, it's
part of the it's an exhibit, you know, part of
what makes March Madness fun. If one of those teams
pulls off an upset, it's like awesome. But most of
the teams get dragged and they're blown out and it's
Carolina beaten, something called lips gone by thirty whatever, But
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everybody's okay with it. In college football, you've only got
twelve teams, and we're outraged that there's two teams that
can't compete. And my take is two's fine. If there
were three to four, I wouldn't like it. But this
point forward, I have the eight best teams in college football,
and I'm okay with a couple of you know, a
couple of ugly, little turbulent stuff. It bothers everybody. In
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My take is, if you have a college football or basketball, lacrosse, hockey,
if you have a college tournament and you invite a
lot of people, you're gonna get mismatch. That's just they're Otherwise,
just have a sixteen tournament. So I wasn't bothered by
James Madison or Tulane were you?
Speaker 9 (22:09):
I was to a degree because I just don't think
it's fair. You know, if the college football there's only
twelve teams, that's a big difference. Like you mentioned between
March madness and this one. You know, Texas played Ohio
State early in the season. They should have been in
the playoffs. I still don't they got penalized for playing
at Ohio State. Let James Madison or Tulaningo run up
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there and play in the Horseshoe and early early in
the season and see what happens. You know, that would
be probably a twenty five point spread.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
Or more so.
Speaker 9 (22:38):
Yeah, I just think you saw a Notre Dame. You
saw Texas. You imagine what those games could have and
would have looked like if they would have played each other.
And I don't know what anybody expected when James Madison
had to go to Austin. They fought their ass off.
I mean they scored points on them, but you just
watch the NFL Draft, it's not even close. And then
the same with Tulane playing the way they played. You know,
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then I just didn't know what people are, you know,
when I saw them coming up the matchups, I'm like,
what are we doing? You know, this doesn't make sense
to me. And I get what you're saying, but it's
not March madness. There's only twelve teams.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
Urban Meyer, are you golfing today, tomorrow and the day
after that?
Speaker 9 (23:20):
Big stepped down from last week though you were an
Augusta Augusta with Alex Smith, my old quarterback made a ball.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
Oh he's one of the nicest guys. He is one
of the elements, dude.
Speaker 4 (23:31):
He is great. All right, coach, Great seeing you great,
seeing you stay warmer.
Speaker 10 (23:36):
I am.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
I'll be golfing in Chicago when it gets warm. June
twenty third, my kid, because I care, you know. Jmack
with the news, No news.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
This is the headline news.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
Oh buyer's remorse on the Midwest There, okay, let's get
to the Green Bay Packers that came on Saturday night, Colin,
What are except for the fact that Jordan Love got
knocked out.
Speaker 6 (24:03):
If you're watching on TV, holy yeah, look at his
hit that he takes boom. Now listen, some people are
saying that it.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
Was a dirty hit.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
Love lowered his head, you know, Like again, I'm not
you know, I don't know look at it, but he
ducked into it and it was bad.
Speaker 6 (24:16):
He looked woozy.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
Packers fans obviously could serve well, Malik Willis took over, Colin.
I'm sure you saw. He ended up getting a big
hit at the end of regulation.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
Maleique played well. He was so good on third down.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
Maybe the best backup in the league. He's up there,
mac Jones. But here's the bad news, Colin. We don't
know if Malink Willis is gonna be able to play
this week. That would be crushing news. So the Packers
could turn to someone named Clayton Tune aka Clayton Looney
Tune to be the quarterback for Week seventeen. Trying to
retain a playoff spot. Bad news is they go to
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play against Baltimore Colin. This game is Saturday night. It
could be third stringer Clayton Tune against backup Snoop Huntley.
You're telling me thequarterback depth isn't an issue. That could
be a big matchup Saturday night here in week seventeen.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Yeah, I mean, listen. I still think there's a ton
of star power. I know when the playoffs come around,
I'm getting great young talent and then some Stafford and
Aaron Rodgers and redemption stories like Darnald and Trevor Lawrence.
So I think it's going to be great.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
So we need to recalibrate as we do the offseason. Right,
what did the Bears do? You mentioned this early? They
stole from the Chiefs fortifying where the offensive line Tooney, right,
they bolstered it. I think there will be a gold
rush for offensive linemen. Anybody who's available, I'm grabbing them
because that's the first easiest way to lose your quarterback.
(25:43):
Jared Goff has struggled a lot. What happened they didn't
have a center. I think the most pivotal players this
offseason will be offensive lineman.
Speaker 4 (25:50):
Do you agree well, I mean.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
Yeah, I don't think it's a quarterback free agent class
of note. I think I always said this league is
a finder quarterback. Be protect him. That's the first two
things in this league. Andrew lock in Indy, they couldn't
protect him. He retired early. So I mean the first
thing McVeigh did in LA went and got a left
tackle for Jared Goff. Like, so to me, when I
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see and there's injuries, but if there's one area I
would go into a season overpaying and have more players
than I need, it would be my ole line.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
Yeah, even when it comes to the draft, you know,
reaching for a tackle, that's fine. Remember the Patriots were
kind of people took shots at them for drafting Will
Campbell so early in the draft.
Speaker 6 (26:33):
I think he went top five and they were.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
Like, oh, he's got short arms. Campbell's been terrific. And
guess what Campbell went down with the injies on ir
Now last week, tough struggle bus for Drake may Now
this week against the Ravens, he was fine. But offensive
line is everything. All right, Let's move to the Carolina Panthers.
Collin Wow break up the Panthers and Bryce Young another
game winning drive with the former number one pick Colin.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
He was good.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
Not only only threw for Buck ninety one, but he
made the big throws.
Speaker 6 (27:02):
Look at that right over the shoulder to Cocher. They've
got a nice little receiving group.
Speaker 4 (27:05):
Here's a team Max great, Oh.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
Team Max outstanding. Here's Bryce Young on the grit the
Panthers show.
Speaker 4 (27:12):
Coach talks about it all the time.
Speaker 10 (27:14):
Finish, That's something that we take a lot of pride
in that we carry into every aspect of who we
are as a team. And you know, for us not
to just talk it, but to walk it, to be resilient,
to go and continue to battle. I wouldn't want to
go to war with any other team.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
Yeah, I mean listen, half to half. They're a bit
inconsistent and it's not a terribly strong division. But I
would say from an offensive standpoint, I think they had
a good draft and I think they get the most
out of their talent. And that's all you can ask.
And I think you know, Bryce doesn't have the strongest arm,
but he's accurate, he moves well. I mean, he's a
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They like him. I mean, listen, he's got thirty two touchdowns,
nine picks, passer rating low nineties. Again. I think he
got himself that fifth year extension. I think he's going
to if he can stay healthy, they can keep surrounding
him up front. The defense, they did a good job.
The defense got much better. It was awful last year.
It's okay now. So it feels like they finally have
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you know, David Tepper bought it. He was a little impulsive.
Feels like they've taken a deep breath. They've reset with
Canalis Morgan. It's a real organization now. They outplayed Tampa,
no question. Oh yeah, Tampa's reeling. They've lost I think
six to seven. So Colin he's the what's the future
for Bryce Young? You mentioned the fifth year extension. Yeah,
I'm gonna ask you. Could he be a version of
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what we're seeing with Baker Mayfield in.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
Tampa and Sam Darnold in Seattle?
Speaker 6 (28:36):
Can he be a version of that?
Speaker 4 (28:37):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (28:38):
So here's the thing. I wouldn't want him if it
was cold weather. I mean, honestly, when you're talking about
cold weather, Tua was a pro bowler in warm weather
in Carolina. He's not a big strong, he's not a
six to five guy. He didn't have a huge arm,
but he plays that division's a warm weather division. I
have no problem with Bryce Young. Spend some money in
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a warm weather division. I don't think he's all weather.
He's not all terrain. That's not at it. I mean
that's when you need a bigger like Drake may is
a His ball cuts through it. He's a big kid.
So I think Bryce Young. I mean, listen, you don't
want to start over at quarterback now because he's been
dinged up before fourth round. Fifth round. Probably draft a
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quarterback and kind of groom him just in case.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
But he's made himself some money. I mean, you joke
about me. I'm a warm weather tank top guy. The
cold weather I shrivel up.
Speaker 6 (29:31):
I mean it's tough. I'll just say this.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
I think at the right price, Carolina can build a
contender in the NFC column like that division is. We
know it's a joke. Falcons can't get their act together.
Speaker 6 (29:42):
Bucks are reeling.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
I'm not believing the Tyler shuck hype.
Speaker 6 (29:45):
In New Orleans.
Speaker 3 (29:46):
If they can build wisely, they've got good receivers too,
good backs. The offensive line is okay, the defense, as
you said, is there. I think they can build a
consistent ten win team in that division with Pryce Young
at the right price, like thirty five thous thirty five mil.
Speaker 6 (30:00):
You know that kind of contract.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
Final story, Colm, let's go to boxing where we had. Yeah,
we don't talk a lot of boxing here. So there
was a quote unquote heavyweight matchup Saturday between YouTuber named
Jake Paul against former heavyweight champ Anthony Joshua. It was
on Netflix. Joshua knocked him out in the sixth round,
actually broke Jake Paul's jaw in two places with that
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vicious right hand. I don't have a ton to add here,
but I know you love, I.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
Mean, Joshua is one of the best. You know, he's
one of the best fighters we've had in a decade.
He could have knocked him out three punches in. I mean,
you know what Netflix does, It's fine with me, But
I mean, it was pretty obvious Joshua wasn't throwing his
biggest stuff until later, and he could have come out
thrown blows first round. In the end of the fight.
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It was a total mismatch, and everybody kind of knew
it was. But you know, I'm sure they you know,
it feels like there were certain instructions to let's not
make this a thirty second fight and interesting. I mean,
Joshua is a world class fighter, he's six sixty. Why
is a guy six one two fifteen getting in the
ring with him? They're not even in the same weight class.
(31:14):
I didn't understand this.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
I saw the highlights and the broken jaw x ray,
and I did hear from someone here on staff who
was deeply close to this. Uh, Jake Paul got paid,
you know, a YouTuber bringing an audience in Netflix got
north of I'm not even going to say the figure,
but it's astronomical.
Speaker 6 (31:31):
Yeah, but is this is this what we're is this boxing?
Speaker 1 (31:35):
So what we're doing? More people watch that, then we'll
watch any other fight in the next twelve months. So,
I mean, whether it's right or wrong, UFC has stolen
all of boxing's thunder feels.
Speaker 6 (31:45):
A little short sighted.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
Hey, we can get a lot of people to watch
this fight in December.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
Cool?
Speaker 3 (31:50):
What's on the game plan for twenty six crickets?
Speaker 8 (31:54):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (31:54):
Jmack with the news, So it's interest to night's the Niners.
You know, it's normally you wouldn't be excited about this game,
but the Niners are shockingly good. And Philip Rivers at
forty four years old, is you know, going to go
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at it again. He can't move, but he couldn't move
you know when he was good. So I like the
Niners that this one. But my take is on the
back end of the Colts defense you can kind of
make hay. So I think the Niners will move the
ball down the field. But I am interested to watch
and it is. We've seen Kirk Cousins, We've seen Philip Rivers,
We've seen Matt Stafford, We've seen Aaron Rodgers. These old
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school guys are very good at the line of scrimmage.
They're very good pre snap. There's limitations on how much
they can move. But what Aaron's done in Pittsburgh is
very redeemable. They just don't make a lot of mistakes.
He keeps the chains moving forward. You know, he's not
running around getting in trouble. There's a lot of value
in just stay ahead of the sticks, complete the passes
(32:59):
that are open, get the ball off, don't take sacks,
don't turn it over. It's not the sexiest football, but
you know, I think the Colts will be viable for
about three quarters tonight.
Speaker 4 (33:09):
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Speaker 4 (33:16):
Yeah, it's I've noted this a couple of times.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
I think with Josh Allen and Caleb Williams, you do
get these kind of unique quarterbacks that have so much
talent and so much horsepower. I don't worry too much
about stats. I talked about this last week. Caleb's improved
on everything this year, accept completion percentage. Here's Hasselback on
(33:42):
Matt Hasselback on Caleb and the winover Green Bay.
Speaker 11 (33:47):
He put this team on his back in critical moments.
It was a struggle, bust of a game, a very
windy situation, rivalry game, and he had two incredible plays.
And Ben Johnson again, whether it's specialty teams, are offensive
explosive plays or defense on side kick, this is a
guy that has his team, has.
Speaker 4 (34:05):
The whole city believe.
Speaker 11 (34:06):
In and they believe they I think a lot of
people believe that they've got their quarterback. And for sure
he is quieting a lot of the doubters.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
And you know, it's last year he had twenty touchdown
six picks, but they were you know, you got the
coach fired and the coordinator run out. So Ben Johnson's
just alleviated a lot of the dysfunction. And I think,
you know, Mike Vrabel said this when he got the
New England job. He said, you just don't realize here
in New England how lucky you are, basically saying Tennessee
(34:34):
is dysfunctional and political and poorly run. Well, Chicago's had
that reputation forever, so there's things you have to overcome.
Speaker 4 (34:42):
But I think if you have.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
A superstar coach and a superstar level talent at quarterback,
you can overcome it. It was I mean, it's just
all the big plays. This has become a fourth quarter team.
And here's Hasselback on Ben and Caleb in year one.
Speaker 11 (34:57):
I think it's exciting for a guy like Ben Johnson
because he was coaching Jared Goff, who does everything right
but doesn't have the mobility and es capability to make.
Speaker 4 (35:05):
A bad play call look great.
Speaker 11 (35:07):
And I think that's one thing Calebs can do. And
yet at the same time accomplishing the goal of the team,
which was consistent play, never ever ever missing an open guy,
never being the reason that a play wasn't successful. Maybe
doing letting the offense work for you some of those things.
If you can put all that together, you can have
(35:27):
an MVP quarterback.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
And the other thing that you're noticing all the success
bo Nix is having and Drake May's having and Caleb
Williams are having, why well they've got good coaches, but
they're on their rookie contracts. So Denver's roster, Chicago's roster,
New England's rosters better than people think. Is that. You know,
(35:49):
we talked Jmax brought this up. Joe Burrow can't make
the playoffs again. And you look at Baltimore, that roster
looks kind of thin. And you look at Kansas City.
I think Kansas City's in a rebuild. Everybody else thinks retool.
I think it rebuild. Folks, when you have a star quarterback.
Even if you have a star quarterback, you better make
hay in four or five years. Because once you pay Mahomes,
(36:13):
look at his own line, Once you pay Lamar, look
at his own line, once you pay Josh Allen, look
at his defense.
Speaker 4 (36:20):
That's if you get a superstar quarterback.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
If Kansas City, not Buffalo, not Baltimore, they got the
trophies and that's the reality of it. There are some
really elite quarterbacks on team friendly deals. Sam Darnold, Baker Mayfield,
those are team friendly deals. Brockberdi's deal is not too bad.
Rock Perty's pretty good deal for the Niners, but it
(36:48):
changes everything. And so a great part of Bownick's success
isn't just Sean Payton.
Speaker 4 (36:54):
It's a really good roster.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
And you look at the ability for New England to
go out and get Stefan Diggs and then they hit on,
you know, Kyle Williams, who's getting better and better as
a deep threat, and you know, you start you look around,
it's you You've got. So j Max said this earlier.
Is it over as the door closed for Lamar Jackson? Well,
he's expensive and because the old line's not as good,
(37:18):
he gets dinged up more. Josh Allen yesterday gets stinged up.
We saw Patrick Mahomes gets hurt. So, man, you you
got to make Hay. There's just because once these star quarterbacks,
what are you going to do? How many of them
are going to sign team friendly deals? They're not? You know,
if if you know, and this is not blaming him,
(37:38):
if if Justin Herbert and he shouldn't. If he'd ha
taken ten million less, they'd have another tackle on the roster.
But he shouldn't. He's been carrying that franchise with bad
coaches for years. Justin should take every penny he can.
So it's just it's it's if you look at the
highest quarterback cap hits, let's say they're putting it down here,
I have to read, Yeah, so Dak Prescott, well, no playoffs, okay,
(38:02):
Matt Stafford they had now they have ace like three
drafts in a row, like they have just hit on
every draft pick. But should be noted secondary is not
very good. Special teams are a wreck. With the Rams,
they just fired the special team goal. So then you
go to Joe Burrow. Defense is awful, Lamar Jackson roster's okay,
(38:22):
Kyler Murray roster's okay. Geno Smith roster's horrible. So again
that's where you get into trouble when Geno Smith is
a huge Cappit all live with Stafford, but you just
can't make me. You can't pay Geno Smith big money.
Huge mistake by the Raiders.
Speaker 3 (38:38):
So one of the top eight cap hits made the playoffs,
and that's Stafford. Seven was Kirk Cousins and eight was too.
So Colin, let's spin this forward twenty twenty six.
Speaker 6 (38:47):
Do you want me?
Speaker 1 (38:48):
I want to see it.
Speaker 6 (38:49):
Okay, here we go.
Speaker 3 (38:50):
Number One, Deshaun Watson is the biggest cap hit next year.
They making the playoffs. We already try that's right. Number
two is Patrick Mahomes, so all this, Hey, the Chiefs
are going to do all this stuff in the season.
You might have to start with talking to Mahomes about
his contract. Number three Lamar Jackson biggot third biggest cap
hit next year. Then it's Dak Prescott, followed by this one.
Surprised me. Jared Goss at five. I thought the lines
(39:13):
would have wiggle room, maybe not six Kirk Cousins, forget
about him. Seven is two, eight, Josh Allen, nine Kyler Murray.
So again, I know people think, oh, it's Mahomes and Reed,
Oh it's Lamar and probably John Hart.
Speaker 6 (39:26):
It's way deeper than that. The NFL has changed, man.
Speaker 4 (39:29):
Listen, go look at Sam Darnold's roster.
Speaker 1 (39:32):
They moved off DK Metcalf to the less expensive JSN
Donald signed a friendly deal. So you look at Seattle
by moving off DK Metcalf, and by getting Donald at
a team friendly deal, that roster is stacked. Jalen Hurts,
I don't know. Jalen Hurts does not have a huge
(39:53):
cap hit. Therefore, Philadelphia's roster like Seattle between good drafting
and the addition of a couple key pieces. I'm surprised
Stafford's number is that high, but I think you just
pointed it out. One of the top ten quarterbacks, top
top eight are making the playoffs, and that's with probably
the best coach in the league, Sean McVay, and they
(40:15):
they've been on a string for three years of hitting
on draft picks that is really special.
Speaker 3 (40:21):
And then you you marriage that, marry that with the
NFL playoff seedings, and you're like, oh, that.
Speaker 6 (40:26):
Tracks like literally almost everywhere, it's.
Speaker 3 (40:29):
Like, oh, that guy doesn't have a big habit probably successful.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
Here's who doesn't have a big cap hit. Bonis Drake May,
Trevor Lawrence, Aaron Rodgers, Justin Herbert top five seeds.
Speaker 4 (40:42):
The other one.
Speaker 1 (40:42):
It's Sam Darnold, Caleb Williams, Jalen Hurt, Bryce Young Stafford.
Speaker 4 (40:48):
Of the top ten seeds.
Speaker 1 (40:50):
One has the big quarterback cap hit, and again Sean
mcvay's probably the best coach in the league. And they've
gone seven for seven in their last seven defense picks.
They've gotten either it's luck, either it's just brilliance, but
they are I mean, you get Pooka in the fifth round.
That's not normal. You don't get players like that in
the fifth round.
Speaker 3 (41:10):
So if you're looking for a team next year, I
was early on this, then I whiff this year. But
the Tennessee Titans have a ton of cap money. That
is an attractive job for somebody because nobody's.
Speaker 6 (41:20):
Getting paid on the Titans yet.
Speaker 3 (41:21):
So if you think there's five or six guys, you
can go out there like Vrabel did and add to
the Patriots and you think cam Ward has Drake may upside.
Speaker 6 (41:29):
I don't know he might. I've seen some flashes from
Caim Mordon.
Speaker 3 (41:32):
I like him, but there are that's an attractive job
for the right coach. Now if they go hire a
defensive guy, I think we probably forget about it right
as as you noted, Liam Cohen offensive guy playoffs, Ben
Johnson offensive guy playoffs. I think we've kind of hacked
the NFL now we know how to build.
Speaker 1 (41:48):
And then Mike Vrabel is a defensive guy, but he's
close with Josh McDaniels, who is, argue believe, the best
offensive coordinator in the sport. So if you're a defensive
guy and Josh McDaniels, New England's very lucky. McDaniels has
come out and said, I like living here. My wife
likes it, my kids like it. It's a great educational
area in that area, like New England's got Craft, they
got Vabel, and Josh just likes living there. Great schools,
(42:10):
great place to raise your family. So I figure they
got lucky there because Josh isn't gonna leave. But he's
also he's tried the head coaching thing. He's gonna stay there.
I'm telling you, I'm watching New England last night.
Speaker 3 (42:21):
Frustrating as a Jets fan, very frustrating. Very Oh how
about this as a Jets fan. Dante Moore? I mean
I watched the JMU game. I'm a JMU grad. Dante
Moore look pretty damn good. Let's see what he does
against Texas Tech. I wonder do you think he's coming
out now? Because his profiles skyrocketing and there's no other
quarterbacks coming out.
Speaker 1 (42:41):
I don't think he is I don't think he has
enough college starts. I think he's going to stay at Oregon,
and Oregon is a uniquely positioned to pay him, you
know whatever, they're going to pay him, so I mean,
he may come out. It's it's the I mean, I mean,
part of it is I wouldn't want to go to
a New York football team.
Speaker 4 (43:00):
Honestly, I wouldn't want to.
Speaker 1 (43:01):
Like if I saw a team up there and I'm like,
you know this team's got you know, you better look
at ownership, You better look at ownership. Excellent work today.
First things first is around the corner. I'm liking the
Niners tonight. Fun game with Philip Rivers and the Colt
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